Pod Insights Spooked Cabin 4 About this episode Have you ever had that instant connection with someone where you know you are somehow part of their story? When Connie meets “Geneva” at an old retreat center in California their lives start to become "entangled."
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4:14 Glynn Washington? Lessons learned. We're about to hear from Connie. And I want to let sensitive listeners know, this story contains talk of drug use, graphic imagery, and maternal mortality. Now Connie, she's just 22 years old, working odd jobs to stay afloat. And we begin with Connie in the middle of a catering gig with her best friend Susan at this fancy retreat center out in the woods. And up until now, it's felt like just another job. But Connie, Connie's about to meet someone who will change her life.
5:04 Speaker 07 One of the things that happens with people in the service industry is that when the day is done, it's basically understood that everyone is just going to sit around and kind of get to know each other.
5:23 Speaker 07 So we all pour a glass of wine and we go sit outside, which is on the side of this beautiful lake.
5:34 Speaker 07 And there's a little fire pit. So we spend the next probably two or three hours sitting around and telling stories and talking about the day.
5:53 Speaker 07 This woman, let's call her Geneva, begins to tell us stories about her life. She spent a decade or so as a midwife, then became a counselor. For the last few years, she had been working with hospice patients. I begin to warm up to Geneva pretty quickly. And she starts warming up to me as well. We actually look alike. She's about 20 years older than I am, but we have the same kind of coloring
6:35 Speaker 07 and, you know, we're sort of built the same. Susan and I have a day or two more of this catering job. Geneva and I, throughout those next couple of days, just continued to get closer. You know, would get lost in conversation with each other. It just felt like we already knew each other. We just had kind of this connection.
7:12 Speaker 07 When we had to leave, it was actually really sad because she lived in a town in Northern California that is about nine hours away. It was a big, almost tearful hug at the very end. And she says to me, "I will see you again soon." One way or the other.
7:37 Speaker 07 It was about two months later. Susan got an offer to cater a retreat up in Northern California. And she says, "Connie, you've got to go with me." We quickly realized by looking at the map that this retreat center is very near to where Geneva lives.
8:03 Speaker 07 So we get in touch with her and she says, "Come a day early, you can stay with us at our house. The next day I can help you guys get situated and show you around. I'm really familiar with this retreat center." We finally arrive at Geneva's house around sunset. She welcomes us in and shows us around, shows us where we're going to be sleeping for the night. We sit down around this gigantic table and start eating and she starts telling us a little bit about this retreat center that we'll be going to in the morning. It originally began as basically a hippie commune back in the 60s and 70s.
8:48 Speaker 07 Eventually, it kind of degenerated into more of a drug commune. There was a culture of just hard drug use and that's what it became for quite a while.
9:11 Speaker 07 In the morning, we drive to the center and it's about a 30-minute drive and it just kind of gets a little more and more remote as we get closer.
9:29 Speaker 07 The trees start even looking a little larger and the forest gets a bit thicker. And then we arrive at the entrance. It's beautiful, it's lovely. There's a huge, beautiful main lodge. It looks like a log cabin and there's a little garden and a gazebo with a couple of picnic tables.
9:58 Speaker 07 But there was nothing warm or welcoming about it. Just the general vibe is not very warm and fuzzy.
10:10 Speaker 07 But I just try to ignore it because we are here to work. There's no way out of it. So I just kind of put it in the back of my mind.
10:27 Speaker 07 We parked the cars and Geneva takes us on a little tour. She shows us this big, beautiful main lodge. Just down from there are several cabins. She tells us about the cabins, that, you know, back in the day, they were all basically tiny houses.
10:50 Speaker 07 We make a final stop at the main office. We introduce ourselves to a woman running that office. And she says, "Okay, great. Susan and Connie, I have you assigned to Cabin 4."
11:05 Speaker 07 Geneva freezes momentarily.
11:09 Speaker 07 Her face fell a little bit, and I noticed it.
11:16 Speaker 07 She didn't say anything about it, though. She basically said, "Okay, all right, let's go bring your stuff into Cabin 4."
11:36 Speaker 07 After loading our stuff in, Geneva says, "I can't stay. I've gotta go. I've gotta go."
11:44 Speaker 07 She basically rushes off, a little more quickly than I was expecting. It seemed like she just wanted nothing more than to get out of there, and it was odd. I did wonder what it was about, but there wasn't really much time to dwell on that at all. We just had to unload everything into the kitchen and get right to work.
12:16 Speaker 07 Anyone who's done this kind of catering work knows that the days are absolutely brutal. You have to be up by about 5:30 in the morning, and usually you're done around 10:00 PM.
12:37 Speaker 07 Maybe you get around five hours of sleep or so, and then you get up the next day and do everything all over again.
12:45 Speaker 07 So on the second to last day, I am completely exhausted.
12:58 Speaker 07 We had cleaned up from lunch and we were doing some light prep for dinner. There is a sheet pan of roasted vegetables in the oven, and I open the oven door. I reach in.
13:16 Speaker 07 I feel just the searing pain.
13:22 Speaker 07 Somehow, I managed to burn my forearm on one of the racks.
13:29 Speaker 07 It was absolutely the straw that broke the camel's back.
13:39 Speaker 07 I melted down into a puddle of tears, and poor Susan looks at me and she says, "Connie, it's okay. Go take a nap. It's okay. I got this. You've got about an hour and a half. Please go get some rest."
13:57 Speaker 07 So I take off my apron. I go outside. I walk across the little garden.
14:04 Speaker 07 I'm gonna go have a cigarette by myself and get some air, and then I'll go back to the cabin to sleep.
14:18 Speaker 07 I'm sitting in this gazebo, and I'm trying to calm myself down.
14:25 Speaker 07 I'm breathing and closing my eyes.
14:33 Speaker 07 I open up my eyes, and I am pretty startled by what I see.
14:47 Speaker 07 I see a bunch of lights.
14:53 Speaker 07 In a grid. It was as if someone had thrown a blanket over the ground. And this blanket was made up of a grid of lights.
15:09 Speaker 07 And it was just glowing. A greenish-blueish glow.
15:21 Speaker 07 And it was pulsating.
15:26 Speaker 07 I could not understand what the heck I was seeing.
15:36 Speaker 07 I'm rubbing my eyes. I'm blinking as hard as I can. I'm shaking my head around, you know, thinking, maybe there's something in my eyes that's messing with my vision. And no matter what I do, every time I open my eyes back up, these lights are still there. And they traverse the entire property. Any direction that I look, they're everywhere.
16:02 Speaker 07 I say to myself, Connie, you're losing your marbles. You are so tired that now you are seeing things. Get yourself together, go to bed. This is ridiculous.
16:24 Speaker 07 So I'm walking to the cabin, looking down at these lights. And it's like my legs are cutting through them. They're still there.
16:37 Speaker 07 I open the door and I walk straight into my bedroom. Walk those two feet over to my tiny little bed. But I'm blocked by something.
16:57 Speaker 07 I cannot physically get onto my bed.
17:05 Speaker 07 It was like coming up against an invisible wall.
17:10 Speaker 07 I try a few times to push against it, and it still wouldn't happen.
17:17 Speaker 07 There's nothing in front of me but bed, so I cannot comprehend what is going on.
17:27 Speaker 07 All of a sudden, I just get the distinct sense that someone is in the room with me.
17:44 Speaker 07 I start to see something on the bed, a faint outline of a woman.
17:54 Speaker 07 It was made of light. And slowly, it begins to take more solid shape.
18:07 Speaker 07 She's not clear enough for me to make out any distinct physical features, but I could see that she was crying. She was just sobbing.
18:32 Speaker 07 This feeling is emanating from her of just the deepest grief I've ever felt in my life.
18:46 Speaker 07 There aren't even words for how sad it was. And it filled every corner of this room, and it was coming directly from this woman in front of me.
19:05 Speaker 07 As I'm standing there, looking at her, all of a sudden, I get the name Bridget.
19:16 Speaker 07 In my head.
19:19 Speaker 07 Out of nowhere. And I say to myself, okay, her name is Bridget.
19:26 Speaker 07 And I feel like I need to help her.
19:37 Speaker 07 I don't actually touch her. I raise my hands, probably about a foot, foot and a half, above where her head would be. And very, very slowly,
19:52 Speaker 07 I run my hands down the length of her body, down to where her feet would be.
20:01 Speaker 07 It just instinctively, automatically felt like the right thing to do.
20:13 Speaker 07 And I can feel sort of a vibration coming from her body.
20:20 Speaker 07 I'm sweeping my hands over her. But when I reach her abdomen, I'm not able to move with such ease. It's like tangled hair that you just can't move your hands through.
20:37 Speaker 07 There was something very obviously there.
20:47 Speaker 07 I'm looking at her abdomen, and at first I don't see anything there, but something slowly begins to take shape.
21:02 Speaker 07 It looks like all of these threads, just thousands of threads, are wrapped around each other.
21:12 Speaker 07 It was just this wrapped up mess.
21:20 Speaker 07 These threads are glowing the same blue-green color as the lines that I could see outside.
21:29 Speaker 07 It's just my impulse to want to start to untangle what's happening here. I just know that I have to unravel these threads.
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22:59 Speaker 07 I start using my fingers to kind of tease them away from each other, tease them free.
23:11 Speaker 07 It's not like I'm touching a solid thread, but I can still feel it. I can still feel them on my fingers. There is definitely warmth to it and there is texture.
23:28 Speaker 07 She seemed completely unaware of me.
23:34 Speaker 07 She's still crying. Her body is just kind of heaving with these just deep sobs. But I just felt like I had to keep going.
23:50 Speaker 07 It all kind of started to unfold and make sense. You know, she's here and whatever this tangled mass of grief was is why she was here.
24:04 Speaker 07 As I make progress with untangling these threads, the grief in the room begins to dissipate a bit.
24:24 Speaker 07 Once I had untangled this whole thick ball, they were all standing up.
24:38 Speaker 07 Like grass in a river or something like that. They were kind of swaying.
24:46 Speaker 07 They were still attached to her form,
24:50 Speaker 07 but they were all finally just standing straight up and untangled.
24:59 Speaker 07 And so I began to cut them with my fingers, just by moving my fingers through them.
25:10 Speaker 07 As I'm severing these threads of light, the feeling in the room is getting lighter and less sad.
25:30 Speaker 07 And when it's actually complete, it was filled. Instead of with sorrow and grief, it was filled with the most beautiful feeling of peace.
25:49 Speaker 07 Just utter peace.
25:56 Speaker 07 I just stood there, taking it all in.
26:01 Speaker 07 And this woman, she began to disappear. Her form just disintegrates.
26:19 Speaker 07 There's no more blockage on the bed.
26:30 Speaker 07 I look outside, and I see that this rain had begun to fall.
26:42 Speaker 07 And I couldn't see the lights outside anymore.
26:48 Speaker 07 I look at the clock and realize I still got about a half hour before I have to be back in the kitchen. I still was absolutely bone tired and completely spent.
27:04 Speaker 07 I got into bed. I'm laying there, about to take my nap. And there is a part of me that questions if that just actually happened.
27:24 Speaker 07 So my alarm goes off and I head back into the kitchen.
27:38 Speaker 07 I immediately tell Susan, "You're never gonna believe what just happened."
27:45 Speaker 07 She definitely responds with a little bit of disbelief, just kind of in awe that I'm relaying this kind of story.
27:56 Speaker 07 She just keeps stopping what she's doing, going, "What? That's crazy."
28:07 Speaker 07 So we finish out the evening. In the morning, we do breakfast service and pack everything back up into the car. And we head back to Ginny's house.
28:26 Speaker 07 We all sat around and ate a delicious meal. It's getting later into the night. Susan says to me, "Hey Connie, tell Ginny what happened. You gotta tell her that story." And I was like, "Oh, yeah, okay."
28:49 Speaker 07 So I go into this whole story, tell her all of the details.
28:56 Speaker 07 She's just staring at me with alternating kind of disbelief. And sometimes I would look over at her and she's got tears streaming down her face.
29:11 Speaker 07 I kept stopping myself and going, "Ginny, what's up? What's happening right now?" And she says, "No, no, no. Finish your story."
29:21 Speaker 07 And so I do.
29:23 Speaker 07 I tell her exactly what happens.
29:27 Speaker 07 When I'm finally done, she says, Connie, I have something to tell you.
29:34 Speaker 07 And she begins her own story.
29:39 Speaker 07 Twenty-two years prior, and it was exactly at the same time, in midsummer, Geneva was about seven and a half months pregnant with her first son. At this time, she is still a practicing midwife. And in California at that time, it was illegal to be a midwife. You could be thrown in jail. She got a phone call from someone that she knew at this retreat center, when it was still the hippie commune.
30:22 Speaker 07 And they said to her, Geneva, you have to come quick.
30:27 Speaker 07 There's a woman here, and she's in heavy labor, and she is not doing well. And Jenny says to them, well, just take her to the hospital. And they said, we can't. She's high. This young woman was on heroin.
30:45 Speaker 07 She was terrified of going to the hospital because her baby would be taken away, and she would be thrown in jail.
30:53 Speaker 07 So they said, we can't take her in. You have to come. She showed up, and they immediately pointed her toward Cabin Four.
31:12 Speaker 07 She walks in, and the woman is hemorrhaging.
31:18 Speaker 07 They pick up this woman, and they bring her into the kitchen, which is what became the bedroom that I stayed in. And they put her on the kitchen table, and she ends up delivering the child, but the woman passes away during the birth.
31:48 Speaker 07 Geneva couldn't stay.
31:51 Speaker 07 She had to get out of there. Because not only was she an illegal midwife, now this woman has died. She thought to herself, "I can't have my baby in jail. I can't, I can't do that." She hands this brand-new newborn over to someone and says, "Take it to the hospital. I have to leave." And so she left.
32:23 Speaker 07 As Geneva is telling me this story, she's just sobbing.
32:29 Speaker 07 She says, "Connie, I've carried that with me for 22 years."
32:38 Speaker 07 I feel it all the time that I wasn't able to be there for this woman. I wasn't able to close it for her.
32:53 Speaker 07 And I always have felt so guilty and horrible that I had to leave her there.
33:01 Speaker 07 She says, "You finally closed it. You completed what I could not."
33:09 Speaker 07 Then she looks me dead in the eye and she says, "Do you know what her name was?" And I said, "No." And she said, "Bridget."
33:33 Speaker 07 It was sort of like a gut punch, that feeling when your stomach drops out. I was in disbelief.
33:43 Speaker 07 There was a slight sense of relief as well. I felt validated, that, you know, I wasn't making this up.
33:56 Speaker 07 We just sat there staring at each other, both of us in disbelief, and trying to digest what all of that meant.
34:09 Speaker 07 We both kind of wonder, you know, if this is the reason that she and I were brought together.
34:20 Speaker 07 I have many, many, many times in my life, you know, questioned if I've ever had an impact or if I've ever done anything truly important.
34:32 Speaker 07 Sometimes I remember what happened and it brings me a lot of comfort.
34:47 Speaker 07 Because I know that I touched somebody's life,
34:53 Speaker 07 not just in this physical world, but on a whole other level that goes beyond time and space.
35:23 Glynn Washington? Thank you, Connie, for sharing your story with the Spook. And people, please understand Connie is our favorite kind of storyteller, a Spooked listener. If you have a story of your own to share, send it to [email protected] . The original score for that story was by Leon Morimoto. It was produced by Zoe Frigno.
36:02 Glynn Washington? So you've heard people say, "This feels like déjà vu." Or, "I'm sure I've been here before, but I know I've never been here before." That feeling of the familiar is something that we all experience from time to time. Like we're walking through an echo of something that has already occurred. But are there those that really do know what's gonna happen next? Who can tell you clearly the next person to walk through the door? Who do in fact shout warning of the car crash? Tornado, the lightning strike before it ever happens? Do you know someone who straddles this world? And a slightly different one?
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37:45 Glynn Washington? Spook was created by the team cursed never to grow a single day older. But Father Time will not be mocked as Mark Rysich takes one on the chin for the entire crew. There's Davy Kim, Chris Hambrick, Leon Morimoto, Teo de Cott, Marissa Dodd, Zoe Frigno, Ann Ford, Eric Yanez, Lola Abraha, Cody Harjo, Doug Stewart, Miles Lassie, and Yari Bundy. The Spook theme song is by Pat Massey Miller, "My Name's in Washington." And it's not that sage doesn't work to ward off dark spirits. That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that sage is just one small part of a much longer spell that has largely been forgotten.
38:30 Glynn Washington? So much knowledge, lost. So many answers buried, secrets burned, but some things, some things we still remember, even now. And the most important remnant of the vast library of mislaid protections is this: Never, ever, never, ever, never, ever, never, ever, turn out the lies.
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