Buckingham Nicks - Frozen Love

On September 5, 1973, the first and only Buckingham Nicks album was released. It wasn’t a huge hit, but it was how the world was first introduced to the music of Stevie Nicks and Lindsey Buckingham, before they went on to become members of Fleetwood Mac. Their time together in Fleetwood Mac led to some of the best-selling, most critically acclaimed, and most influential albums of all time. Their individual talents, their musical chemistry together, and the ups and downs of their romantic relationship all eventually became legendary. And yet, despite all that, the Buckingham Nicks album went out of print not long after it came out. For over 50 years, it wasn’t available, until it finally got re-mastered and re-released in September 2025. So for this episode, I spoke to both Stevie Nicks and Lindsey Buckingham about the making of one of the songs from that album, called “Frozen Love.” It’s the only song on the album where they’re credited as co-writers, and it’s the song that led Mick Fleetwood to invite Lindsey Buckingham to join Fleetwood Mac. But Lindsey would only join if Stevie could, too, and that’s how that story began. So this episode is about a beginning and an ending. It’s the story of how Stevie and Lindsey first met, and how they made "Frozen Love," and how that song really led to the end of their band. I also want to mention that not only was Buckingham Nicks out of print for all those decades, no one has heard the isolated tracks that you’re about to hear. To make this episode, there was an epic search for the original master tape from Sound City, the studio where they recorded the album with producer Keith Olsen. It took months, but the tape was finally tracked down and digitized, and it feels very special to be able to present this for the first time here, along with the memories and stories from Lindsey Buckingham and Stevie Nicks. For more info, visit songexploder.net/buckingham-nicks. https://songexploder.net/buckingham-nicks.

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• 0:00Hrishikesh Hirway?

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• 2:58Hrishikesh Hirway?

  On September 5th, 1973, the first and only Buckingham Nicks album was released. It wasn't a huge hit, but it was how the world was first introduced to the music of Stevie Nicks and Lindsey Buckingham before they went on to become members of Fleetwood Mac. Their time together in Fleetwood Mac led to some of the bestselling, most critically acclaimed and most influential albums of all time. Their individual talents, their musical chemistry together, and the ups and downs of their romantic relationship all eventually became legendary. Despite all that, the Buckingham Nicks album went out of print not long after it came out. For over 50 years, it wasn't available until it finally got remastered and re-released in September 2025.

• 3:41Hrishikesh Hirway?

  So for this episode, I spoke to both Stevie Nicks and Lindsey Buckingham about the making of one of the songs from that album called Frozen Love. It's the only song on the album where they're credited as co-writers, and it's the song that led Mick Fleetwood to invite Lindsey Buckingham to join Fleetwood Mac. But Lindsey would only join if Stevie could too, and that's how that story began. So this episode is about a beginning and an ending. It's the story of how Stevie and Lindsey first met and how they made Frozen Love and how that song really led to the end of their band. I also want to mention that not only was Buckingham Nicks out of print for all those decades, no one has heard the isolated tracks that you're about to hear. To make this episode, there was an epic search for the original master tape from Sound City,

• 4:25Hrishikesh Hirway?

  the studio where they recorded the album, with producer Keith Olsen. It took months, but the tape was finally tracked down and digitized, and it feels very special to be able to present this for the first time here, along with the memories and stories from Lindsey Buckingham and Stevie Nicks.

• 5:21Speaker 01

  My name is Lindsey Buckingham.

• 5:23Speaker 02

  And my name is Stevie Nicks.

• 5:25Hrishikesh Hirway?

  Do you still remember the first day you two met?

• 5:28Speaker 02

  I do. Lindsey and I started talking about it last night, and I was like, this whole thing seems really like yesterday to us.

• 5:36Speaker 01

  I was a junior in high school, and she had transferred in as a senior.

• 5:40Speaker 02

  We met at a party in San Francisco. I heard this guy singing from a long way away in this big room, and he was singing "California Dreaming." And I thought, oh, I know that song. So I kind of made my way over, and I saw him, and I thought, I'm gonna walk up there and sing. Oh, he's gonna hate me. Oh, I don't care, I'm going. So I went up, and I just smiled at him, and I stood behind him, and I sang the harmony to "California Dreamin'." And it was fantastic. And I thought, oh, I better get out of here now before he gets really mad, when it was gonna end, right? So I just disappeared into the shadows. And so, we didn't meet. I didn't turn around and say to him, "Hi, I'm Stevie Nicks." And he's like, "Oh, hi, I'm Lindsey Buckingham." That did not happen.

• 6:25Speaker 02

  I just disappeared. And I really didn't know who he was. And then we didn't see each other or talk to each other again for like, I think, close to two years.

• 6:34Speaker 01

  It wasn't until, really, my senior year of high school that a friend of mine, who was a drummer, asked if I would be in a band called Fritz, just to play at an assembly. And the guy who was sort of leading it was a guy named Javier, who was actually quite a good songwriter and played keyboards. And so you were one of the singers? And you played bass in Fritz? That's right. And so, we got up and did two or three songs for the assembly. And I think blew a lot of people's minds.

• 7:19Speaker 01

  We graduated high school. And when we all got to the same college, junior college, the next fall, there was some interest in picking up what we'd done. But the girl who had been singing in the band at the assembly had gone off somewhere else to school. But Stevie, who was a year older, but was still going to that same junior college, was around. And so, we sought her out.

• 7:48Speaker 02

  It was actually Bob Gary that called me, who was the drummer. And he just said, "How would you feel about joining a band?" And I said, "What kind of a band is it?" And he said, "Well, it's a hard rock and roll band." And I kind of said, "Just a minute." And I walked around the room for a second and like, went, "Yes." Because I'd always had it in my heart of heart, even though my granddad was a country singer and there was a lot of other kind of music in my life. And I said like, "That's just what I wanted."

• 8:43Speaker 02

  It was really Javier's band because he wrote the songs. And, you know, in two or three weeks, we were like playing shows and it was really, really exciting and fun. We got to the point where we were playing like big shows. We opened for Chicago at Fillmore West. We opened for Jimi Hendrix for 75,000 people. And so it was like in our own minds, we were already famous and we loved it. And then Keith Olsen was there with his kind of partner after we played and it was a big show. And they said, we would really like to maybe work with you. Why don't you guys come down to Los Angeles?

• 9:23Speaker 01

  And so Fritz went down and did a bunch of performances for people at labels. Keith was extremely supportive, but Fritz was never able to secure a record deal. But what did happen was that not just one, but a number of labels expressed interest in Stevie and me.

• 9:48Speaker 02

  So Keith Olsen called us and said, they really like you and Lindsay, but they don't appreciate the importance of the other three members of the band, which was terrorizing to us because we loved these guys. So we were not at all happy about that, but there was nothing that we could do. And that was very sad and very hard. It hurt us, you know, it was our first like super disappointment, I think, in the music business.

• 10:14Hrishikesh Hirway?

  But it must have been a little bit mixed, right? Because even though you had to leave those three other guys, it was still sort of an invitation to maybe get to another level?

• 10:23Speaker 02

  It was an invitation to greatness and we both knew it.

• 10:27Speaker 01

  We thought, well, okay, if we're going to pursue that and we still want to keep going with music, then what does that mean? So one of the things that it meant was that I had to start writing songs. You know, Stevie was already a fairly prolific writer.

• 10:43Speaker 02

  I think I wrote my first song when I was 15 and a half and it was about a lost love, therefore began my tragic love song.

• 10:54Speaker 01

  And for me, the timing couldn't have been better because I was now being influenced by a new kind of music that had started to come in when James Taylor hit the scene, or when Joni Mitchell hit the scene. These were people who were right up my alley in terms of my style of guitar playing. All of this was obviously and ultimately going to help define myself as a writer. So I just started writing songs. So while we came back to Northern California somewhat in defeat from having not been able

• 11:35Speaker 01

  to get a record deal as Fritz, it became a catalyst for Stevie and me to bond in a different way.

• 11:43Speaker 02

  We probably never would have even had a relationship had it not been that we had to fire the rest of our band. That was just such a crushing blow, and it drove us together because we just couldn't figure it out. And then we fell in love, you know, with each other, and that was it. We were together. We started writing songs, you know, like ourselves, and brought our songs into each other and decided which ones we wanted to do.

• 12:10Speaker 01

  My dad, who was in the coffee business and had a coffee plant south of San Francisco, let me go up there nights and take my four-track tape machine. So I would take my songs, and I would take the songs Stevie had, and I'd go up and work, and she'd come up some of the time and sing.

• 12:30Speaker 02

  And we just sat on the floor, and he worked on the music, and I crocheted and was the cheerleader. And we started to work on the songs that then became the Buckingham Nicks album. And Frozen Love started kind of as a full-on folk song, because I wrote it on guitar. I'm not the greatest guitar player in the world. I played just good enough to write. The song, I think, is about two people that were in love, that had a lot of differences, and saw the world slightly differently, but had this, like, relationship that seemed to be, you know, like a gift. So it was like a strong relationship,

• 13:14Speaker 02

  and then also a strong musical relationship. And those two relationships together made for a pretty determined relationship. If you read just the poem from me before it ever went to Lindsay, it was, "You may not be as strong as me, and I may not care to teach you." That's pretty flippant, isn't it? "It may be hard to keep up with me, but I'll always be able to reach you." Even more flippant. But I like to think of it as, like, Wuthering Heights or Great Expectations, you know, like, modern-day love affair tragedies. Because nobody really loves happy songs.

• 13:57Speaker 02

  Certainly, I didn't, and neither really did Lindsay. So for us, the more dramatic it was, the better. And so Frozen Love, to me, was a lot of fun because it was so dramatic. That was where we, I think, found that string that was like, "Don't be afraid to write a poem that's a little bit about me, because what else are you gonna write about?" It was never like, "Was that about me? How come you wrote that about me?" Because we never went there. We were just like, "That is great." If I went in there with two verses of it and the chorus, you know, with my simple, simple guitar playing, and he would just go like, "Keep writing. I like it."

• 14:38Speaker 01

  She was very confident, she should have been, in her lyrics, and didn't necessarily... I have a motivation to run them by me or to discuss them.

• 14:49Speaker 02

  Sometimes after we started living together, I would write a song and I'd put it on a cassette and I'd leave it by the coffee pot. And I'd just put a note saying, you know, here it is. Produce it, but don't change it. Don't change the actual core of it.

• 15:03Speaker 01

  I don't think she craved my input on that level and nor did I crave hers on production or instrumental level either, you know? I mean, she understood that I was transforming things for her and I understood that I wouldn't have had anything to transform without the beautiful center that she'd given me to work with.

• 15:25Speaker 02

  And I would just wait to see what he did.

• 15:27Speaker 01

  And so the center of the song was there, but rhythmically, I wanted to create something that would have interest in terms of guitar. I was interested in coming up with my own tunings and that was what was that? It was like an open D tuning. You want me to show you?

• 15:49Hrishikesh Hirway?

  Yes, please.

• 15:50Speaker 01

  If I can, I don't know if I'll...

• 16:07Speaker 01

  You get the idea.

• 16:10Hrishikesh Hirway?

  What an honor. Thank you so much.

• 16:20Speaker 02

  From the very beginning, I wanted us both to take one of those verses so that it was both of us. So that it was more a relationship made of two instead of a relationship just made of one.

• 16:33Speaker 01

  Both the verses lyrically are written from Stevie's point of view, at least in my opinion, but I think we had just an idea that it was going to play better if it felt a little bit more like a dialogue.

• 16:55Speaker 03

  And I may not care to teach you. It may be hard to keep up with me. But I'll always be able to reach you.

• 17:12Speaker 01

  The song is about sort of love interrupted, so to speak. This love that we had, which somehow got intruded upon by other things. Some of those were my fault and some of those were her fault.

• 17:26Speaker 02

  This was a pretty like, not really hateful song, but it's a little bit mean. That's what I said about great tragedies. They're not always nice. Our relationship was up and down and up and down and up and down and difficult, but at the same time fantastic. And what we were doing was so fantastic that it was worth putting up with the trials and tribulations of a relationship that's difficult.

• 17:52Speaker 01

  But I think she just saw herself in that role, that even then, even though I was sort of the producer and I was sort of the musical leader, I think she felt like she was the one who was ahead of the game in some ways, and she was probably right.

• 18:10Speaker 03

  Life gave me you, there the change was made. There's no beginning and over. You are not happy, but what is love? Fate gave you me for a lover.

• 18:34Speaker 02

  Life gave me you, the change was made, and there's no beginning over. You are not happy, but what is love? That sounds like an old person, doesn't it? And then I've got here written, this is a question that I've gone back and forth over for the last few days. Fate gave you me for a lover. I would swear to God, the words I wrote was fate gave you me for a lover. Fate. But when I hear myself sing that line, it sounds like I'm saying hate.

• 19:02Speaker 03

  Hate gave you me for a lover.

• 19:08Speaker 02

  But I would never have written, "Hate gave you me for a lover," because I never felt that way. I can't even imagine that I didn't hear that in time to change it. So, that's not good?

• 19:26Speaker 02

  I'm sorry, Lindsay.

• 19:29Speaker 02

  I'm calling him later.

• 19:33Speaker 02

  And then we would just play around with it and have really a lot of fun working out harmonies.

• 19:39Speaker 04

  If you go forward,

• 19:41Speaker 05

  You go forward, I'll meet you there. And if you climb up through the cold freezing air, look down below you.

• 19:54Speaker 01

  That was always something Stevie and I would figure out, you know, sitting in our living room, basically.

• 20:00Speaker 02

  We would sit and start going like, "Okay, let's sing the words." You sing the lower part, and I'll sing the higher part. And then we'll both sing a higher part above that.

• 20:08Speaker 01

  And when you balance my vocal and her vocal and listen to it as a two-part, I mean, that's a thing that we had, you know? That was noteworthy, and it was ours.

• 20:21Speaker 05

  Cry out to life for frozen love. Cry love.

• 20:42Hrishikesh Hirway?

  My conversation with Stevie Nicks and Lindsay Buckingham continues after this.

• 20:48Hrishikesh Hirway?

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• 23:41Speaker 01

  Keith Olson had been a producer for a while, plus was an excellent engineer as well, and had a studio, which was Sound City, that became our home away from home. And we're off to the races.

• 24:02Speaker 01

  It wasn't a song you could really think about cutting live with drums, because the number of twists and turns rhythmically that the guitar manifests. So we pieced it together with a click. And then when the rest of it was done, or most of it, anyway, we had our friend Gary Hodges, who was quite a good drummer, come in and overdub drums, which is not an easy thing to do, anyway. But on a song like this, what a difficult evening that was for him, trying to get the drums on this. And yeah, I can see why.

• 25:02Hrishikesh Hirway?

  So you two would write songs individually. Frozen Love is the only song on the album that's credited to the two of you as co-writers. And I was wondering, how did that work? What did that collaboration look like? And how did that come about?

• 25:15Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, it isn't strictly a collaboration, you know, like two writers who are co-captaining the entire process. With Frozen Love, the verse and chorus parts where the singing is, that was Stevie's basic song. But we wanted to do this one song that would have This epic quality to it in order to create sort of a mini movie in the middle, still allowing you to get back into the song at the end. Because I was a huge Jimmy Page fan, not just of Led Zeppelin as a whole,

• 25:57Speaker 01

  but just of him as a producer and how he approached what he did. If you think of Stairway to Heaven or something, they would start off with a basic song and it would go through all sorts of angular changes and work its way back to the beginning. So all of that, I think, helped get me to where I needed to be for Frozen Love. It really evolved into an opus of sorts because those middle sections that it goes through were not part of the original plan in her mind. The middle is probably longer than the song itself, so that was the main reason for a co-ratorship.

• 26:44Speaker 02

  The orchestrated part, that's my favorite part. Pretty much of the whole record, it's my favorite part. Because I started to look at it as a dark ballet, you know, with one of us standing on each side of the stage and having like, I don't know, the Bolshoi Ballet or something, dancing to this recording.

• 27:11Speaker 02

  And how like Swan Lake-esque it was, you know? Total tragedy, which I just absolutely loved, and so it just couldn't be better.

• 27:34Hrishikesh Hirway?

  How did you write your electric guitar parts?

• 27:41Hrishikesh Hirway?

  Because you recorded three different guitar tracks.

• 27:47Hrishikesh Hirway?

  Even in the guitar solo. And so was everything written out? Or would you improvise the solo and then go back and re-track what you already did?

• 27:59Speaker 01

  Most of my solos are a balance between what you discover when you improvise and things that will help it to remain thematic. I needed to be paced exactly right over a very long period of time. So it had to be very specific.

• 28:59Hrishikesh Hirway?

  How did you feel about the song when you'd finished the recording?

• 29:02Speaker 01

  Well, I think we loved it. I think we were really quite happy with the album as a whole. And having this be the last track felt like it really finished up in an artful and ambitious way that satisfied both of us.

• 29:20Speaker 02

  When I listened to Frozen Love, I remember when I first wrote it. I remember when I brought it in. I remember Lindsay and me working on it in different places. I remember thinking that the world was going to be Frozen Love's oyster. I remember being so proud of it. Because it is the stepping stone of how Lindsay and I sang together, how we like just were so good at doing harmonies together. And if it had just remained my song and Lindsay hadn't have written that whole French ballet part, it wouldn't have been the same song. And I felt that it was going to lead us to other places.

• 30:02Speaker 01

  And then the Buckingham Nicks album had been put out, and it had not done great. We had gone out and done some shows, but there was a kind of a feeling that whatever its arc was, that it had happened. So Stevie and I were in the process of putting together a new album. And one of the things about Sound City as a studio was that Studio B, the small room, was almost never used. And Joe Godfrey, who was the owner of Sound City, was very supportive of us and let us use that room for free whenever there was time in there.

• 30:47Speaker 01

  And so we were in Studio B, working away, with some sense that Buckingham Nicks had happened and now we gotta move on. You know, we're picking ourselves up, brushing ourselves off, getting along with Buckingham Nicks too, whatever. We were in Studio B. I knew Keith was there and I thought I'd go over and say hi to him at some point. And I walked over to Studio A, and I could hear Frozen Love at really like top volume being played. You know, I could hear it through the door. And I'm going, what the hell? And so I open the door and I go in and I see this tall guy like standing there, listening to Frozen Love. And he's just rocking away to this song.

• 31:33Speaker 01

  And I'm going, what is going on here? And so the song finishes, and Keith says, "Oh, Lindsay, hey, this is McFleetwood."

• 31:46Speaker 02

  Fleetwood Mac came out of the woodwork. And it's like, I would have been happy to have been in Buckingham next for years. And I think he would have too, you know, because we really thought we had something great.

• 31:59Speaker 01

  I think we did pretty good for a couple of kids, yeah.

• 32:03Speaker 04

  For Frozen Love, cry, love.

• 32:24Hrishikesh Hirway?

  And now, here's Frozen Love by Buckingham Next in its entirety.

• 32:52Speaker 04

  You may not be as strong as me. And I may not care to teach you. It may be hard to keep up with me. I'll always be able to reach you. And if you go forward, I'll meet you there. And if you climb up through the cold freezing air, look down below you.

• 33:31Speaker 04

  Search out above, cry out to the sky. For Frozen Love, cry, love.

• 34:06Speaker 03

  Life gave me you there, the change was made. There's no beginning and over. You are not happy, but what is love? Hate gave you me for a lover.

• 34:29Speaker 05

  And if you go forward...

• 34:32Speaker 03

  With the fire, I'll meet you there. And if you climb up to the cold freezing air, Look down below you, switch out above, Cry out to life, For a frozen love. Cry out, love.

• 38:09Speaker 05

  You may not be May not be As strong as long Yeah

• 38:22Speaker 05

  I will not give May not give A chance to you

• 39:43Hrishikesh Hirway?

  Visit songexploder.net to learn more. You'll find links to buy Frozen Love and the Buckingham Nicks album, back in print after more than 50 years. You'll also find links to the Fritz albums and footnotes for the other artists that were mentioned. This episode was produced by me, Craig Ely, Mary Dolan, and Kathleen Smith, with production assistance from Tiger Biscuit. The episode artwork is by Carlos Lerma, and I made the show's theme music and logo. Thanks to Karen Johnston for recording Stevie Nicks's side of the conversation when I interviewed her. And a huge thanks to everyone at Sound City who was involved in tracking down the original recording of Frozen Love so that we could make this episode. Song Exploder is a proud member of Radiotopia from PRX, a network of independent, listener-supported,

• 40:28Hrishikesh Hirway?

  artist-owned podcasts. You can learn more about our shows at radiotopia.fm. I also write a newsletter where I talk about the making of some of these episodes, and about music, film, and TV, and the creative process. You can find a link to the newsletter on the Song Exploder website. You can also get a Song Exploder shirt at songexploder.net/shirt. I'm Rishi Kesh Hirway. Thanks for listening.

• 40:58Speaker 04

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• 41:01Speaker 04

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