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1:30 Speaker 03 Wave.
1:33 Speaker 03 But I do think that I'm starting behind the eight ball, as they say with people. I'm constantly winning people over. I'm not starting with... People are not coming into interactions with me presuming positive intent. They're presuming negative intent.
1:45 Speaker 04 You mean to tell me that you genuinely identify as an underdog?
1:49 Speaker 03 Unfortunately, I would say, in this current moment.
1:57 Speaker 03 Do you ever get worried, you're like, well, that's the last funny thing I'm gonna say?
2:00 Speaker 04 No.
2:00 Speaker 03 I'm worried about not being funny on this.
2:02 Speaker 04 I get so sad because I know that the funniest things I'll ever say haven't even happened yet.
2:10 Speaker 03 That's really powerful.
2:11 Speaker 04 Yeah. Yeah. Do you know what? Actually, one of my meditations for this year,
2:19 Speaker 04 one of my meditations for this year is the best things are yet to come. And what I mean by that, and sit with every single morning, there are a couple of things I sit with every morning. One of them is, when I am 90 years old, which I will be, looking back on my life thus far, but when I'm 90, there's so much left to do.
2:34 Speaker 03 Totally.
2:35 Speaker 04 The things that I will be the happiest about and most proud of have literally not even occurred yet in this moment.
2:40 Speaker 03 Wow.
2:41 Speaker 04 They're all ahead of me. They're in my, they're in tomorrow, next week, next month.
2:45 Speaker 03 Really puts things into perspective.
2:47 Speaker 04 Well, it doesn't even matter if it's true, by the way.
2:48 Speaker 03 Right.
2:48 Speaker 04 You just have to tell yourself that in order to live.
2:53 Speaker 04 Living a happy life is about the lies that you tell yourself. And it's a beautiful and important thing to do.
2:57 Speaker 03 It's about the delusion.
2:58 Speaker 04 100%. And I'm happy to be delusional. I also tell myself every morning that I am a loving person in a world that loves me back. And that one's beautiful.
3:04 Speaker 03 I believe that.
3:05 Speaker 04 That one's sweet.
3:06 Speaker 03 For you. I don't believe it for me, but...
3:08 Speaker 04 Which part? You're not loving or the world doesn't love you back?
3:12 Speaker 04 What do you mean? Why would you say that? You have a beautiful, charmed life.
3:15 Speaker 03 For now.
3:15 Speaker 04 Are you practicing enough gratitude, Mary Beth?
3:17 Speaker 03 I practice gratitude. I could, I could definitely practice it more. And thank you for calling me in on that.
3:22 Speaker 04 I'm calling you out.
3:24 Speaker 03 It feels like in. It felt like in in that moment.
3:28 Speaker 04 It's in for sure.
3:29 Speaker 03 I just, I think I have a lot of gratitude. I just wish that like, I wish I felt joy more. Uh, I'm working on it in therapy.
3:36 Speaker 04 Yeah?
3:37 Speaker 03 Yeah.
3:37 Speaker 04 What are, what is, how is that going? Like, what is gonna be the solution?
3:40 Speaker 03 We just started last week. We just started talking about it.
3:42 Speaker 04 That's good.
3:42 Speaker 03 It's something I've been aware of for a long time, though.
3:44 Speaker 04 Yeah. Well, so what did you say when you brought it up to your, like, I'm not joyful enough?
3:49 Speaker 03 Well, I think it was more like, when good things happen, are you able to really like, internalize that? And I was like, well, no.
3:55 Speaker 04 Yeah.
3:55 Speaker 03 Is that something people are doing?
3:57 Speaker 04 Yeah, wait, hold on. Were people internalizing joy the whole time?
3:59 Speaker 03 Because that's not something I have been practicing.
4:02 Speaker 04 You didn't get the memo.
4:03 Speaker 03 No, but gratitude, yes. And I think, I think it was really important for last year to end for me so that I could start this new chapter of 2026. And then I found out today that Egg Shop in Williamsburg is closing on Sunday. And I'm thinking like, what else? You know, like, what else could go wrong? Egg Shop, it's an establishment in Williamsburg. Delicious little breakfast spot that I go, I used to go with Pinky all the time, my dog. And now it's closing forever and I don't know why.
4:30 Speaker 04 Did you, well, Egg Shop, please reach out and let us know what occurred.
4:32 Speaker 03 A twink DM'd me today and told me.
4:35 Speaker 04 A twink DM'd you? I can't imagine how much that happens to you.
4:38 Speaker 03 It's, it's relentless, but I wouldn't have it any other way. That's something I have gratitude for.
4:43 Speaker 04 Do you know what's so funny? You're getting a million DMs a day from twinks. I'm getting a million DMs a day from straight guys and lesbians.
4:50 Speaker 03 What are they saying?
4:50 Speaker 04 We need to.
4:51 Speaker 03 We have to figure this out.
4:53 Speaker 04 Yeah, well, the lesbians are all barking at me and hitting on me. I mean, the way that lesbians objectify me is actually like, it's approaching problematic, but I find it so beautiful that I'm not willing to report. And yeah, it's getting really, really dangerous. I do feel that someday I'll be killed by a lesbian who wanted me so bad that they had to like, take me off the market.
5:10 Speaker 03 If they can't have you, no one can.
5:11 Speaker 04 It will be like that. It's the vibe that I'm getting. I have their lesbian, every time I post a cute picture of myself trying to like, garner interest from gay men. That's like outside of the realm of Grindr, you know, I sometimes I want to be, I want to be lusted after on Instagram.
5:24 Speaker 03 Of course.
5:25 Speaker 04 Every time, it's just 17 million lesbians asking where I got my sweater and.
5:29 Speaker 03 Mine, and just to, here's what I think. I think we could, together we could change the world.
5:34 Speaker 04 That's what I'm saying.
5:34 Speaker 03 Because my DMs, as I mentioned, twinks and bisexual girls.
5:37 Speaker 04 Yeah.
5:38 Speaker 03 So I, we've covered, we've covered the entire spectrum.
5:41 Speaker 04 Yeah.
5:42 Speaker 03 And once we're ready to activate, mobilize, I think they'll be ready. But I hear you. It's like my thirst traps, when I post them, I'm not, it's like gay guys saying, mother. Love, by the way.
5:53 Speaker 04 Totally, your mother them, yeah.
5:54 Speaker 03 And I want that.
5:54 Speaker 04 Yeah.
5:55 Speaker 03 But it's, there's no straight guys saying mother.
5:57 Speaker 04 Well, you don't want the straight guys to say mother. Although that is what they want, most straight guys.
6:02 Speaker 03 I know.
6:03 Speaker 04 I know. They want to be mothered.
6:04 Speaker 03 But you have to figure out how to make, you have to figure out how to position yourself as mother without them knowing.
6:09 Speaker 04 Yeah.
6:09 Speaker 03 It has to be sort of an inception situation.
6:11 Speaker 04 Yeah, you have to be both, uh, mother and wife. You have to be both Madonna and whore.
6:15 Speaker 03 And whore, exactly. And I'm ready. Put me in, Coach.
6:18 Speaker 04 Are you?
6:19 Speaker 03 I think so.
6:20 Speaker 04 So what we're working on this year is finding a new breakfast spot, uh, experiencing joy and being both Madonna and whore.
6:28 Speaker 03 And whore.
6:28 Speaker 04 Yeah.
6:28 Speaker 03 And I'm open to being Madonna and whore for a woman. I'm, I'm sort of, I'm sort of down for whatever.
6:34 Speaker 04 I think if you were Madonna and whore for a woman, it would be incredibly progressive and turn everything sort of on its head.
6:38 Speaker 03 Well, and that's what I'm trying to do with both my stand up and my personal life.
6:42 Speaker 04 Yeah. How is that going? And how is that showing up for you?
6:46 Speaker 03 Stand up is good. I'm practicing, I'm practicing. I love saying I'm practicing. I'm practicing stand up right now.
6:51 Speaker 04 Yeah.
6:51 Speaker 03 Um, and it is a religious practice in a lot of ways, but I'm doing my Netflix special on March 19th, so I'm trying to get, get all my reps in and tread the boards, as they say.
7:00 Speaker 04 Yeah. And we're always saying that.
7:01 Speaker 03 Just so I feel really prepared and, you know, I'm sort of, I feel like preparation is, it pays off.
7:06 Speaker 04 Yeah.
7:07 Speaker 03 And I just thought of that.
7:08 Speaker 04 Yeah, that's really beautiful. And you just came up with that on the spot even.
7:10 Speaker 03 Yeah.
7:11 Speaker 04 Do you remember the last time you came on the show, we, we sort of continued to get in trouble for talking about pit bulls?
7:16 Speaker 03 You and- I'll bring it up again. I don't care.
7:18 Speaker 04 I don't care. Fuck them. I don't, I would say-
7:21 Speaker 03 Oh, we got in trouble for a lot on that. I don't know if you saw that the pro-gun Instagram people, TikTok, Twitter, found that we said that if you melted every gun-
7:29 Speaker 04 Yeah.
7:29 Speaker 03 You would never have another shooting. And they're like, you can build a gun.
7:32 Speaker 04 Yeah.
7:33 Speaker 03 And I was like, okay.
7:35 Speaker 04 It's, some of this stuff gets sent to me. I deleted TikTok a long time ago and I am not participating at all anymore. I'm not participating at all anymore. I'm out, I'm off. We clip this, put it out. Dear media, clip this.
7:45 Speaker 03 So you're not posting, like even for the pod?
7:47 Speaker 04 No, the, I'm, that's, I'm, I Caleb, I'm off.
7:50 Speaker 03 Okay.
7:50 Speaker 04 Caleb, the internet guy presence is still there and managed by Virginia. Thank you, sweetie. I love you. Um, so the videos go out, but I'm not reading it, watching it. I can't be involved. But I have heard tell that we have once again, there's two clips that right wing, um, outlets love to like- Spin up with me.
8:09 Speaker 03 Yeah.
8:10 Speaker 04 One is you and I talking about guns and I said that we should melt them all and there'd never be another shooting. They hate that. They think I'm an idiot, which is fine.
8:17 Speaker 03 They said, I can't believe these two can vote.
8:19 Speaker 04 Yeah, and they're revolting. And I think that those people, like there are legitimately so many people in right wing online circles. There will be a change in the tides eventually where it's not a right wing despot in power and it'll be someone like us and they're in big trouble.
8:33 Speaker 03 They're in huge trouble.
8:35 Speaker 04 And then Nori Reed and I, there's a clip that goes like right wing viral every week of us. We could, you can't imagine two comedians talking more facetiously.
8:46 Speaker 03 Right.
8:47 Speaker 04 We're talking.
8:47 Speaker 03 Oh, satire? It's over their heads.
8:49 Speaker 04 So jokingly about being happy that our dads died because they were white men. I think at one point, we literally say every time a straight white man dies, a trans person gets their wings.
8:57 Speaker 03 Yep.
8:57 Speaker 04 Like, we're talking so, and right wing people foaming at the mouth like, these fat blah, like they're so mad.
9:04 Speaker 03 So, one thing I wanted to bring up, since you just mentioned that you are still posting clips of the podcast on TikTok, but you personally are not on there.
9:10 Speaker 04 Say it.
9:11 Speaker 03 I've been trying to, I've been explaining to my friends why I'm having trouble sleeping lately and it's because, so I don't know if you've ever felt this and maybe not.
9:18 Speaker 04 You've felt my absence on TikTok.
9:18 Speaker 03 I have felt it and it's keeping me up at night.
9:20 Speaker 04 Yeah, you're not sleeping.
9:21 Speaker 03 I'm tossing and turning.
9:22 Speaker 04 Yeah.
9:23 Speaker 03 I feel like, you know how the AI singularity thing, or maybe it's not AI, but just singularity in general is like when we've uploaded like our consciousness to the cloud and we don't have use for like physical form anymore.
9:32 Speaker 04 Yeah.
9:32 Speaker 03 I feel like as a, as a person that's on the internet and trying to like be a public figure or whatever, I feel like that's sort of happening already.
9:39 Speaker 04 Yeah.
9:39 Speaker 03 Where like, part of my consciousness is existing all the time on the internet. I'm never sleeping on the internet because like, your, your, your content is constantly being interacted with, commented on. It's like you're living a whole life on there.
9:51 Speaker 04 Yeah.
9:51 Speaker 03 And it's like, it keeps me awake now.
9:53 Speaker 04 Yeah.
9:53 Speaker 03 And so I feel like we're sort of like inching towards that and it's really scaring me.
9:57 Speaker 04 Yeah.
9:57 Speaker 03 And I don't, I want my physical form, like as much as I abuse it and I hate what I look like, I want it still.
10:03 Speaker 04 Do you hate what you look like?
10:04 Speaker 03 Sometimes, most of the time.
10:05 Speaker 04 Oh, wow.
10:06 Speaker 03 Yeah.
10:06 Speaker 04 I find that very surprising. You're so beautiful.
10:09 Speaker 03 I'm surprising you a lot today.
10:10 Speaker 04 You are.
10:11 Speaker 03 Wait till I start hitting on you.
10:12 Speaker 04 It's just, I'm looking forward. It's really tough when beautiful people hate the way they look.
10:16 Speaker 03 Thank you for saying that.
10:17 Speaker 04 It really brings my audacity to light. You know what I mean? Cause, cause I am beautiful, but I'm also fat in a society that hates fat people. And so the fact that I genuinely go through the day being like, God, I'm hot. And then to hear that someone who gets to be so thin, it can dislike their appearances. Well, God, Mary Beth, that just makes me sick.
10:36 Speaker 03 Well, and that's why I wanted to come on the podcast.
10:38 Speaker 04 To talk about.
10:38 Speaker 03 Was to just talk about thinness and how it is actually really hard.
10:41 Speaker 04 Yeah. And it's a tough thing you're going through.
10:43 Speaker 03 Yeah, it's really hard.
10:44 Speaker 04 Yeah, I can understand that totally. I mean, the number of people, I've lost like a little bit of weight recently, not trying, just sort of something that's happening. And people are really sounding off about it.
10:54 Speaker 03 I, I, I don't know if I'm allowed to say that I noticed.
10:58 Speaker 04 Okay.
11:02 Speaker 03 Because I'm perceptive and I'm always, I'm clocking people's tea everywhere.
11:06 Speaker 04 Yeah, yeah, my tea's been clocked, yeah.
11:08 Speaker 03 You can't, you can't pull some shit like that and think that I'm not gonna notice.
11:12 Speaker 04 You think I'm not gonna notice a change in appearance?
11:14 Speaker 03 I'm gonna notice.
11:14 Speaker 04 Oh, I'm noticing.
11:15 Speaker 03 But I'm not gonna comment on it unless it is brought up in a public forum, like on a podcast.
11:19 Speaker 04 And here we are.
11:20 Speaker 03 So are people asking you about if you're on GLP-1?
11:22 Speaker 04 Not asking.
11:26 Speaker 04 Telling me, people, my idea, I would say every time I post a picture of myself lately, it is, and I really want this to stop. This is like beyond inappropriate and not something I enjoy.
11:37 Speaker 04 Just many, many, many people being like really disappointed that you're on Ozempic. I am not on Ozempic. I don't believe in that stuff unless you need it for a medical reason. I'm not interested in it. I am just like, yeah, I'm, it's, yeah, I'm really, really annoyed by people's, we still, I just feel like we have this conversation so often, like a million different ways about how we shouldn't comment on this stuff.
12:01 Speaker 03 Yeah.
12:02 Speaker 04 And people just feel so emboldened to like talk about your body in a way that I'm like, I don't understand it.
12:09 Speaker 03 It just, yeah, there is a disconnect between people who find it like to be one of the worst things you could possibly do to someone is to bring up their appearance. And then people who just feel like it's, it's open season to just sort of talk about it.
12:20 Speaker 04 Yeah.
12:21 Speaker 03 I mean, I don't, yeah, I, it's, it's hard because there are of course people whose bodies I would love to comment on.
12:26 Speaker 04 Of course.
12:27 Speaker 03 There's, that's an, that's instinctual.
12:28 Speaker 04 By the way, I'm commenting on people's bodies.
12:30 Speaker 03 Of course, but not publicly.
12:31 Speaker 04 Not publicly, not to them. Hello?
12:34 Speaker 03 That, save it for the group chat.
12:35 Speaker 04 I'm in private being like, she's gotten busted. Like, hello?
12:38 Speaker 03 People need to utilize group chats if you're about to post something.
12:41 Speaker 04 Hello? Say, look into your camera and say this, because I know you're about to give a word.
12:46 Speaker 03 If you're about to post something, if you're about to start a discourse.
12:50 Speaker 04 Yes.
12:52 Speaker 03 Please send it to your group chat. We don't need it. We actually don't need to hear it. We definitely don't need to see it. The comfortability people have with putting their face as the, as the, what are you doing?
13:02 Speaker 04 Say it.
13:03 Speaker 03 What are you doing?
13:03 Speaker 04 Say it. At least send it to the group chat first and see if you got it out of your system.
13:07 Speaker 03 Let's just see what the response is.
13:09 Speaker 04 Yeah.
13:09 Speaker 03 See if you feel better.
13:10 Speaker 04 Maybe you get four laugh reacts and you go, that's a good day.
13:12 Speaker 03 Sometimes, you know what you can do? And yes, four laugh reactions is incredible.
13:16 Speaker 04 Yeah.
13:16 Speaker 03 Especially for a, a normal person.
13:18 Speaker 04 Especially if it's a five-person group chat.
13:20 Speaker 03 Please.
13:20 Speaker 04 Yeah.
13:21 Speaker 03 And I just think you can even record, you can go so, so far as to record the video. Type out the, type out the Instagram story.
13:28 Speaker 04 Yeah.
13:28 Speaker 03 You don't have to post it.
13:29 Speaker 04 Yeah.
13:30 Speaker 03 Let's just, let's just pull back a little bit.
13:32 Speaker 04 I, I can't tell you the number of times that I type out a, a Instagram create mode, which is my canvas. And Instagram create mode is my canvas.
13:41 Speaker 03 Of course.
13:42 Speaker 04 It's where I feel most special and most locked in. Instagram create mode is actually a place where I can play. And it's a place where I, I show up fully as myself.
13:49 Speaker 03 You know William Shakespeare's Quill Pen?
13:51 Speaker 04 Yes.
13:51 Speaker 03 It's like that.
13:52 Speaker 04 That's my Instagram create mode. But the number of times I do an Instagram create mode, like screed, and I go, I'm gonna post this on main. And then as I'm typing, I go, it's close friends. And then as I'm typing, I go, I'm gonna send this to seven people specifically. Because close friends is an area where I actually can't even play that much anymore.
14:09 Speaker 03 No.
14:09 Speaker 04 I've seen people burn.
14:10 Speaker 03 You can't trust anyone.
14:10 Speaker 04 You can't trust anyone. And also, I've put too many like, I used to at least be able to talk about my love life on close friends. I can't do that because I have lovers on there now.
14:18 Speaker 03 Yeah.
14:18 Speaker 04 My lovers are on close friends.
14:20 Speaker 03 And that's where they, exactly where they should be.
14:22 Speaker 04 That's where they should be, but you think I can talk about, I want to talk about what's going on with my roster right now. I can't do that. I've got lovers on there.
14:27 Speaker 03 No. And I think what you just described, the idea of thinking, I'm gonna post this publicly, then to close friends, then you save it for the group chat. Good mental health indicator.
14:34 Speaker 04 Yes.
14:34 Speaker 03 And good judgment.
14:35 Speaker 04 Wellness.
14:36 Speaker 03 It's wellness.
14:36 Speaker 04 Wellness.
14:37 Speaker 03 And I, I think that I'm, I'm happier bringing this to the podcast because I think more people need to understand the life cycle of a thought. It can be just that.
14:45 Speaker 04 Yeah. And also, think about your lovers. Imagine that every lover you have, or whatever want to have, is reading the things you're posting.
14:54 Speaker 03 I can't, I'm just amplifying. I can't, there's nothing to add to that.
14:58 Speaker 04 I just amplify.
14:59 Speaker 03 I think we should be using close friends to communicate subliminally with the people that we have crushes on. Currently, sort of famously, I don't have a crush on anyone, so my close friends is truly just my closest friends and my family.
15:11 Speaker 04 Yeah, that's beautiful.
15:12 Speaker 03 And they're seeing pictures of my dog days before I post the same pictures of my dog on main.
15:16 Speaker 04 Yes, which is the privilege of being close to you. I messaged a guy on Grindr the other night. He tapped me. Give a little interest alert. And I messaged him and I said, look, I know that we're gonna hook up tonight, but I just want us both to promise we won't fall in love. And he, we joked around for a little bit. And then it was like, super late, and I was like, okay, we're not gonna hook up tonight. But we are going on a date next week. And I do feel randomly like, look, is there a chance this is my husband? I have a problem where I over identify with the meet cute. I have a lot of meet cutes in my life and I over identify and I go, this has to be my husband now, this is my chance, you know?
15:54 Speaker 03 And how do they, I guess.
15:55 Speaker 04 Has it worked?
15:56 Speaker 03 It speaks volumes about someone based on their response to a DM like that, because can't we just have a little fun?
16:01 Speaker 04 That's the thing is, I'm, I am being silly on Grindr and not a lot of, not a lot of people enjoying it.
16:07 Speaker 03 Well, I don't think people, yeah, I don't think of Grindr as a jovial place.
16:11 Speaker 04 But I'm being silly in a way where I will fuck you, you know what I mean?
16:14 Speaker 03 You alone could change the culture.
16:15 Speaker 04 I'm trying to change gay guy culture. I want gay guys to, I want gay guys to have more fun, you know?
16:22 Speaker 03 And I want straight guys to have more fun. I'm doing bits with them.
16:25 Speaker 04 I actually was thinking of you the other day because, not that you've done this, but so many of my straight girlfriends would be like, oh, you're so lucky, all the good guys are gay. And I'm like, have you, I love and appreciate that mentality, but until you've had to go on a date with a gay guy, until you've had to agree to some of the things I've had to agree to in conversation just to get ass, like, I have to agree, there are women I've never even heard of that I have to agree are mother and like. It's not, it's a nightmare. It's not different than talking about baseball, okay? It's like the same thing.
16:53 Speaker 03 No, I know. We are the same, we're fighting the same battles out there.
16:57 Speaker 04 Yes, which is that we ultimately want to be hanging out with women.
17:01 Speaker 03 Just in different fonts.
17:02 Speaker 04 Just in different fonts, actually.
17:03 Speaker 03 Yeah, if those women knew gay guys, they would know that a lot of the bad ones are gay as well.
17:08 Speaker 04 Most, I mean, yeah, being a man is such a precarious thing. It's not real, we don't have an explanation for it in nature.
17:14 Speaker 03 No.
17:15 Speaker 04 Being a man and talking to a man.
17:17 Speaker 03 It's hard.
17:18 Speaker 04 I hate that it's happening to you right now.
17:19 Speaker 03 I know. Well, I'm actively not talking to them, but when I do, and when I get back out there, yeah. Or straight guys, I mean. When I get back out there, I just want to have more fun. I feel like I could even turn the volume up a little bit on that because I'm getting to a level of comfortability where I just don't care if they think I'm insane.
17:37 Speaker 04 Yeah.
17:37 Speaker 03 So I'm just gonna, I'm gonna have fun and I'm gonna look back on those bits that I did, be it one-sided or not, and I'm laughing.
17:44 Speaker 04 Fondly.
17:44 Speaker 03 I'm laughing.
17:45 Speaker 04 I'm looking back with fondness.
17:46 Speaker 03 And I'm telling my friends, I go, I did this great bit the other day with a straight guy.
17:49 Speaker 04 Yeah.
17:49 Speaker 03 And I'm telling them and we're all laughing.
17:51 Speaker 04 Yeah.
17:51 Speaker 03 The guy's never speaking to me again, but that's not what's important, is it?
17:55 Speaker 04 Truly, stepping out of your, I'm trying really hard to step out of my worried about being perceived as insane by a lover, trauma, because it is stopping, worrying about being perceived as insane by a lover is stopping me from finding my husband, I feel. I need someone who's actually gonna receive my, we have to promise we won't fall in love tonight when we've never spoken a word to each other. I need that to be received with an excitement.
18:19 Speaker 03 You need to be yes-ended.
18:20 Speaker 04 You need to be yes-ended. I'm sorry, I didn't train in improv for nothing.
18:23 Speaker 03 Um, no, and I'm having fun with it and I'm sorry if you can't keep up.
18:27 Speaker 04 Yeah.
18:28 Speaker 03 Actually, I'm not sorry. You should probably leave.
18:30 Speaker 04 We are going to cut something that I just said that was inappropriate. I think circling to my point, gay guys in open relationships.
18:41 Speaker 04 Are a problem for me. Why are you talking to me? You already found your person. There's something called greed and we're seeing a lot of it.
18:50 Speaker 03 Gluttony even.
18:51 Speaker 04 Gluttony. And it's really ruining my life.
18:54 Speaker 03 Well, as a woman.
18:55 Speaker 04 Yeah.
18:55 Speaker 03 A bisexual woman that was in an open relationship as well.
18:59 Speaker 04 Hold on. Can we sit with that?
19:01 Speaker 03 Let's let that sink in.
19:02 Speaker 04 Because.
19:02 Speaker 03 Let's let that sink in.
19:03 Speaker 04 As a woman, first of all, to be a woman in this space, thank you. Keep going.
19:09 Speaker 03 I, I would say that straight men in open relationships also need to be stopped. As someone who was dating one for, for several years. I benefited from being in an open relationship with a man as a bisexual woman, because I got to hook up with women in that time.
19:24 Speaker 04 Yeah.
19:24 Speaker 03 And that was a very beautiful and rewarding experience for me.
19:28 Speaker 04 Yeah.
19:29 Speaker 03 Is, is an open relationship something that I would ever do again? At this point in my life, I can honestly say no. Now, let's say I'm with someone for 20 years.
19:39 Speaker 04 Yeah.
19:40 Speaker 03 I'm, I'm minimum.
19:41 Speaker 04 This is everyone's big fantasy, by the way.
19:42 Speaker 03 I'm minimum 54 at this point, by the way.
19:44 Speaker 04 Yeah.
19:44 Speaker 03 But still have a lot of sexual energy.
19:46 Speaker 04 Yeah.
19:47 Speaker 03 And I am shooting a show in Budapest for eight months. And there's a 27 year old grip.
19:52 Speaker 04 Yeah.
19:53 Speaker 03 Who wears the hell out of those Carhartt pants.
19:56 Speaker 04 It's all, dude.
19:57 Speaker 03 Let's just say maybe there'd be some negotiations. At this point in my life, it's not happening for me. I don't want it. I'm not seeking that. And I, I, I learned that that's just not who I am at this point.
20:09 Speaker 04 Here's what I want to say. This is something I'm experimenting with. And as we know, everything I say on this podcast is subject to pretty immediate disavowal.
20:17 Speaker 03 Yeah. That's what podcasts are for.
20:18 Speaker 04 That's what my life is. Yeah, that's what my life on the podcast is about. But here's something I'm experimenting with right now. There, these are, I talked to gay guys about, about open relationships and they end up in two different camps. They go, I'm firmly open right now. I want to be in an open relationship immediately when I start dating someone. Or they go, well, we wouldn't be close forever. Of course, down the line, we start out closed, but of course later on we would open it. Here's something I'm trying to bring to the community. We meet, me and a guy.
20:42 Speaker 03 Yeah.
20:43 Speaker 04 Neither of us is dating someone else. We start dating each other.
20:46 Speaker 03 Yeah.
20:46 Speaker 04 We fall deeply in love, I'm gonna cry. And we build a family and a life together. And then we die as each other's only lovers.
20:52 Speaker 03 And you never touch another person from that point forward.
20:55 Speaker 04 And of course, we lust after them. And of course, we say, when we're in our 60s, we're sitting in the Bahamas and we see the cabana boy who's like 28, and he's looking really good in the trunks. And we go, God, it would be nice to take him back to our room. And maybe he's interested and he flirts. And we go, that's really sweet. We're flattered.
21:10 Speaker 03 But no.
21:11 Speaker 04 No.
21:11 Speaker 03 Yeah.
21:12 Speaker 04 The only person for me is my partner.
21:13 Speaker 03 That's beautiful.
21:14 Speaker 04 I want to bring back a type of love that is suffocating.
21:17 Speaker 03 Capitalist almost. Ownership. It implies ownership.
21:20 Speaker 04 Mutual ownership of one another. That's what I'm interested in experimenting with right now. What if we fall deeply in love and no one ever gets to do anything to us ever again except each other?
21:29 Speaker 03 And what does it say about, about this current moment that we're in that that feels radical?
21:33 Speaker 04 Hello?
21:33 Speaker 03 It feels bad.
21:37 Speaker 03 To me, can I just say it feels bad?
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23:08 Speaker 03 And I do want to say that my heart goes out to all the gay men who feel that there is a void inside them that can only be filled by many, many lovers.
23:18 Speaker 04 Yeah.
23:18 Speaker 03 Sometimes at the same time, sometimes just, you know, it's all, I just, my heart goes out because I do feel that it is, it was done to you guys. I don't think you're born, but then maybe it's just like men being men. Maybe if straight guys could do that, they also would, but I, I just, my heart goes out.
23:38 Speaker 04 Do you feel that you're overstepping right now?
23:40 Speaker 03 No.
23:40 Speaker 04 I don't either.
23:41 Speaker 03 I don't.
23:42 Speaker 04 But I wondered for a moment.
23:43 Speaker 03 And can I tell you why?
23:44 Speaker 04 Yeah.
23:45 Speaker 03 I have a deep love, and we've talked about this as well. It's one of our big differences. I have a deep love for gay men.
23:51 Speaker 04 I have a deep love for gay men, don't say that.
23:53 Speaker 03 I have a deep love for them and I feel that.
23:55 Speaker 04 You have a deeper love because you don't have to date them.
23:58 Speaker 03 Exactly.
23:59 Speaker 04 Yeah.
23:59 Speaker 03 And if I did, I maybe, I wouldn't maybe feel this way, but I think, and, and I'm sure there's people that are gonna be like, eh, me, me, me, just annoying about this. I'm like, I'm, I'm living, I am living as, as a member of the community and I am trying to uplift gay men at every opportunity. I'm trying to uplift every, every letter in the LGBTQIA at any moment. So I really stand on business and I stand on my actions. And I, the reason I feel like I can speak on this is because I am so close with so many community members that I have a pretty big sample size.
24:33 Speaker 04 Yeah.
24:33 Speaker 03 And that's where I'm coming from. And it's never, and it's never like a criticism, oh, you should stop doing this. It's more like, I, I'm here for you.
24:41 Speaker 04 Yeah.
24:41 Speaker 03 And I hope we get to a place where you feel like you don't have to.
24:44 Speaker 04 My journey is that when I was younger, I didn't, I hated the idea of an open relationship because I was insecure. I didn't want my person to be out fucking other people because I feared that they would go out and find something better than me. Then I got to a place where I was like, that's not going to happen.
25:02 Speaker 03 Right.
25:02 Speaker 04 If you've chosen to be with me, it's because you love what I have going on.
25:05 Speaker 03 Yeah.
25:05 Speaker 04 And we can sleep with other people because they offer fun, other sexual things. But he knows where home is.
25:10 Speaker 03 Totally. And, and so now you feel like.
25:14 Speaker 04 But hold on.
25:14 Speaker 03 Okay.
25:15 Speaker 04 Because there's been another metamorphosis. That was the last couple of years. He knows where home is was a beautiful chapter.
25:23 Speaker 03 But the thing with chapters that's so interesting is the end.
25:26 Speaker 04 And new ones begin.
25:27 Speaker 03 Yeah.
25:28 Speaker 04 He Knows Where Home Is was such a beautiful era of my life.
25:30 Speaker 03 It's a beautiful ethos.
25:31 Speaker 04 It's a beautiful ethos.
25:33 Speaker 03 And I'm sure it works for a lot of people.
25:34 Speaker 04 I bet it does. And right now, I'm experimenting with, and I might, look, He Knows Where Home Is, the other thing about books is sometimes the theme comes back up. Sometimes you, you repeat a, a situation or an idea. Right now, I'm experimenting with the idea that arranged marriages might be a good idea. That like a, a beautiful, unceasing commitment to another person might be the answer.
25:58 Speaker 03 Unwavering no way out.
26:00 Speaker 04 Unwavering no way out, it's a punishment. In a beautiful way.
26:04 Speaker 03 I think that's how a lot of couples feel.
26:06 Speaker 04 They do, and I'm experimenting with it because I think it would be beautiful at this point. Look, I've slept with a lot of people. I'm not gonna lie to you.
26:12 Speaker 03 No, and same.
26:13 Speaker 04 It, right? And I'm, now I'm like, what would it be like to commit to someone no matter what?
26:19 Speaker 03 I can't wait to find out for you. Also, one thing I do want to say is that my, my opinions are my opinions, and they can be wrong, but they're mine.
26:25 Speaker 04 Yeah.
26:26 Speaker 03 You know what I mean?
26:26 Speaker 04 Yeah.
26:27 Speaker 03 I make a lot of declarations. As you know, I have a podcast of my own. And one thing I will always say is like, I might be wrong, but like, I can't change how I feel.
26:34 Speaker 04 Yeah.
26:35 Speaker 03 And so, a, and I could change my mind at any moment, by the way. That's what's so beautiful about being a Gemini. I'm seeing both sides.
26:41 Speaker 04 Yeah.
26:41 Speaker 03 Of the coin. And I might change my mind, but this is where I'm at right now. And this is where you're at, is that you think maybe, maybe there is a romantic entanglement you could see that feels like something you are trapped in. And there can be a lot of beauty in that.
26:54 Speaker 04 I think, look, am I being sincere when I say that? I don't know. But I am experimenting with the idea that He Knows Where Home Is was just a chapter. And do, when I think about only sleeping with one person for the rest of my life, do I become like borderline suicidal? Of course.
27:09 Speaker 03 Yeah.
27:10 Speaker 04 But I want to commit to somebody, you know, and I want to have kids with somebody. And I think maybe, yeah, maybe there's something to it. Now, am I entertaining several guys right now at the moment? So much so that I have to... So much so that I have to have an iPhone note of sort of who I'm supposed to be keeping up with? Yes, that is the situation right now. But I'm dreaming of a better life for myself and I want to say what you said, that your opinions are your opinions. That was really powerful and I want to, I have my own version of it and that is that my opinions are your opinions. What I say is true and it's how the people who listen to me feel.
27:49 Speaker 03 Feel, yeah.
27:50 Speaker 04 And if you're listening to something that I've said, that is, I'm speaking for all of us.
27:54 Speaker 03 Yeah.
27:55 Speaker 04 I speak for everybody.
27:56 Speaker 03 Well, we hold a mirror up to society.
27:58 Speaker 04 Yes.
27:59 Speaker 03 People forget that sometimes.
28:00 Speaker 04 People forget that.
28:00 Speaker 03 And if you don't like what you see.
28:02 Speaker 04 It's not me. It's not me.
28:04 Speaker 03 I'm just here holding the mirror.
28:05 Speaker 04 Don't bite the hand that holds the mirror, sugar.
28:07 Speaker 03 Please do not. Don't, don't fucking even try.
28:10 Speaker 04 Don't bite the hand that holds the mirror, sugar.
28:11 Speaker 03 Don't send your pit bull to bite the hand that holds the mirror.
28:13 Speaker 04 I'm saying just look into it and see what you see in there.
28:15 Speaker 03 See what you see and if you don't like it, change it.
28:17 Speaker 04 Start with him, Michael Jackson.
28:20 Speaker 03 It's not easy. It's a lot of responsibility, holding a mirror up to society like this.
28:25 Speaker 04 It is. Okay. We talked about dating and love. I feel like we really captured that. But what else do we need to, cause you know, Mary Beth, well, I do want to say also, you mentioned that you have a podcast ride with Benny Skinner, who's a brilliant comedic mind and a wonderful person and you guys are both friends of mine and I want to let the listeners know that off camera, you were lamenting to me in our brief catch up.
28:48 Speaker 03 I had a feeling this was gonna come up.
28:50 Speaker 04 You were lamenting to me that you guys have only wanted a few people to come as guests on your show and you have been unable to get them. And of course, that hit me hard because I have not been asked. And I'm, I would comfortably say I'm one of the podcast guests of our generation.
29:08 Speaker 03 Yeah.
29:09 Speaker 04 And that doesn't bring me pleasure. That's just my situation. And so for two of my good friends to not ask me on their podcast and then for one of them actually to come into my home and complain to me that they're not able to get the people that they want on the show. I did want to just give you a chance to clear the air on that.
29:29 Speaker 03 Now, all I can say to that is I see you.
29:33 Speaker 04 Thank you.
29:34 Speaker 03 I hear you.
29:34 Speaker 04 Right.
29:35 Speaker 03 We're listening.
29:35 Speaker 04 Right.
29:36 Speaker 03 And what I then went on to tell you is that we've only tried to get three people.
29:40 Speaker 04 Yeah.
29:40 Speaker 03 And that we certainly have you on our list of people that we want to have on the podcast one day.
29:45 Speaker 04 Yeah.
29:46 Speaker 03 We don't do a lot of guests, but we will. I have a feeling that we will. I can't predict the future. But if I, let's just say if I was betting on Polly Market.
29:54 Speaker 04 Yeah.
29:54 Speaker 03 If I was placing a bet.
29:55 Speaker 04 Yeah.
29:56 Speaker 03 Which they now want everyone to become gambling addicts in this country and the world. I would put a lot of money on Caleb here and appearing on Ride the Pod.
30:04 Speaker 04 Okay, that means the world to me.
30:05 Speaker 03 Yeah.
30:05 Speaker 04 I think it'll be special, but that's not actually what I was trying to get into. What I was trying to get into is the responsibility of the podcaster in today's society.
30:12 Speaker 03 Yeah.
30:12 Speaker 04 Which you and I carry that yoke heavily on our shoulders. And I think part of what we're supposed to be doing here is, you know, fixing society.
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35:08 Speaker 03 I actually have heard myself more saying things that I'm like, why did I have to say that? Like, I could just not say that. I remember I was talking to my ex's friend and he was like, oh, a lot of people say the new Matilda is really good. And I was like, well, you know, they're getting a lot of flack for using a fat suit in that movie.
35:24 Speaker 04 Yeah.
35:24 Speaker 03 And I just said,
35:25 Speaker 04 Who fucking cares?
35:26 Speaker 03 Why did I say that?
35:26 Speaker 04 Who cares?
35:27 Speaker 03 Could anything matter less than that?
35:29 Speaker 04 I'm saying.
35:30 Speaker 03 Why would I take away the joy of children liking the movie Matilda by bringing something up that maybe there were a few tweets about? It's like, who cares?
35:38 Speaker 04 Do you know what I think? The only way that Hollywood is going to end this fat suit controversy once and for all is to put me in a big one. Like, put me- In a big, I'm talking like bigger than Brendan Fraser in The Whale. I'm talking like, put me in a fat suit that we have never seen before and give me a, it would have to be like Norbit, Rasputia, like bigger than that.
36:04 Speaker 03 Yeah, bigger.
36:05 Speaker 04 Like, I would need to do that. We need to like just, once and for all, like in the fat suit controversy.
36:09 Speaker 03 It is the fat suit.
36:10 Speaker 04 The movie's called Fat Suit and you put me in the biggest fat suit we can find and we just do something awesome. We do like, we do like Austin Powers.
36:19 Speaker 03 Something radical.
36:20 Speaker 04 Like when he's like, he does like the, what, Fat Bastard?
36:23 Speaker 03 No, I think it's about someone like that who just lives a normal life.
36:26 Speaker 04 Yeah.
36:26 Speaker 03 Day to day.
36:27 Speaker 04 Well, yeah, they tried to do that with The Whale, but they forgot to give him any dignity.
36:31 Speaker 03 Yeah, I mean.
36:36 Speaker 04 They had him almost die jerking off to like a pizza.
36:39 Speaker 03 Eating chicken wings.
36:40 Speaker 04 That's, that was kind of, they had a chance to give him just like a normal guy who's like a teacher online. And then they had him ascend into heaven at the end of the movie because he couldn't stop jerking off with pizza. Wait, well, I'm sorry, but I was trying to say earlier, we, as podcast aficionados, we have a responsibility to fix things in the world and I think we, we fixed love and dating.
37:03 Speaker 03 Yeah.
37:03 Speaker 04 Is there anything else that's been on your mind?
37:05 Speaker 03 Yeah, and I'm really thankful to have the platform to talk about this.
37:08 Speaker 04 Yeah.
37:09 Speaker 03 So I don't think it girls should have weddings and if they do, they shouldn't post about them.
37:14 Speaker 04 Yeah.
37:14 Speaker 03 I think weddings are for the proletariat.
37:16 Speaker 04 Yeah.
37:17 Speaker 03 It girls have everything else in the world.
37:19 Speaker 04 Yeah.
37:19 Speaker 03 I think weddings are the one thing that normal girls get.
37:23 Speaker 04 Yeah.
37:23 Speaker 03 They get to feel like a princess for a day. It girls feel like a princess every day.
37:27 Speaker 04 Yeah.
37:28 Speaker 03 I don't need to see them in a white dress, standing in front of a bunch of Rosa Chairs of people in formal wear.
37:32 Speaker 04 Yeah.
37:33 Speaker 03 We, we've seen it.
37:34 Speaker 04 Yeah.
37:35 Speaker 03 And so I think if you are gonna do that, it should be no phones. You should have yonder cases.
37:39 Speaker 04 Yeah.
37:39 Speaker 03 All of your guests should lock their phones in yonder cases. It's for family, it's intimate. I don't need to see that.
37:46 Speaker 04 Yeah.
37:47 Speaker 03 And I'm not coming for any one it girl specifically because I saw that a few it girls have had weddings in the past, you know, 12 to 18 months. And it really struck me as like, we're, they're taking something away. And I don't identify as an it girl, but should I reach that status?
38:00 Speaker 04 Yeah.
38:00 Speaker 03 I won't have a wedding and post about it.
38:02 Speaker 04 Yeah.
38:03 Speaker 03 Because I think it's, I think it's, it just doesn't sit right with me.
38:07 Speaker 04 If you have more than 750,000 followers on Instagram, it's a courthouse wedding for you.
38:12 Speaker 03 It's, it's gonna have to be a courthouse wedding. It's gonna be intimate. Maybe you're not wearing, you're not even wearing shoes, maybe.
38:17 Speaker 04 I want the judge's phone in a yonder case.
38:19 Speaker 03 Completely.
38:20 Speaker 04 Yeah, I don't want to.
38:20 Speaker 03 I don't want documentation to be public.
38:22 Speaker 04 Yeah.
38:23 Speaker 03 I think that's just, that's just, again, an opinion of mine.
38:26 Speaker 04 Yeah.
38:26 Speaker 03 And it's just something I've been wanting to speak on without offending anyone because I don't, I don't think that it girls should get offended.
38:33 Speaker 04 Yeah.
38:33 Speaker 03 Can I just go a step further and say that?
38:35 Speaker 04 It girls don't have the right to be offended.
38:36 Speaker 03 You have everything.
38:37 Speaker 04 Yeah. I do think that as a person who professionally gets attention, I have never been interested in a wedding. Because I think a wedding to me, I'm just like, I don't, why would I do that?
38:50 Speaker 03 Right.
38:50 Speaker 04 If I'm gonna get everyone together, let's do a show.
38:52 Speaker 03 I want to do some stand up.
38:53 Speaker 04 Yeah, let me perform.
38:54 Speaker 03 Yeah, I completely agree. I think that it's lost its appeal for me. What would feel more subversive is to do something small where it's like all my closest friends and family.
39:04 Speaker 04 Do you know what I, here's what I'll say though, just as a fun idea. If we keep allowing it girls to have weddings, they need to do the divorces in the same manner. Dress up, ceremony, phones out, pictures everywhere.
39:16 Speaker 03 Say like, I would love to take a peek at the prenup.
39:19 Speaker 04 Yeah.
39:19 Speaker 03 What are you hiding?
39:20 Speaker 04 Publish the prenup. Do you feel that you're at this point in your life, do you feel that you've become unlikable yet to the regular person? Or do you feel still pretty connected?
39:28 Speaker 03 I was unlikable before.
39:30 Speaker 04 How so?
39:30 Speaker 03 I.
39:31 Speaker 04 Oh, you grew up pretty.
39:32 Speaker 03 I think it's, well, I, and this is gonna make me sound bad too. It's just like the way my face looks.
39:38 Speaker 04 Yeah.
39:39 Speaker 03 People think I'm always gonna be coming in with negative energy, I think.
39:43 Speaker 04 Yeah.
39:43 Speaker 03 And so I've had, yeah, I mean, being, being blonde and having a dog completely changed my relationship with the service industry.
39:52 Speaker 03 And I've taken those lessons that I learned from being blonde and I've put them in action as a brunette.
39:56 Speaker 04 Yeah.
39:57 Speaker 03 And I, I think that people's, when people see me, they think that that's, they, they just make a lot of assumptions about me, which aren't true because I have a heart of gold. And if you know me, you know that.
40:07 Speaker 04 Yeah.
40:08 Speaker 03 But I do think that I'm starting behind the eight ball, as they say with people. I'm, I'm constantly winning people over. I'm not starting with, people are not coming into interactions with me presuming positive intent. They're presuming negative intent.
40:19 Speaker 04 You mean to tell me that you genuinely identify as an underdog?
40:24 Speaker 03 Unfortunately, I would say, in this, in this current moment, in this current moment, yes.
40:30 Speaker 04 Unfortunately, it's not possible for me to not identify as the underdog.
40:33 Speaker 03 I, I hope we see a change.
40:35 Speaker 04 Yeah.
40:36 Speaker 03 I think if I, I think if we were in the nineties right now, I could never get away with saying something like that.
40:41 Speaker 04 Yeah.
40:41 Speaker 03 But in our current moment, yeah.
40:44 Speaker 04 Nothing is more clear to me than the fact that we're not in the nineties anymore.
40:47 Speaker 03 And in some ways, great, whatever, but like, I, I wish that I got to enjoy it a little bit more. Born in 91, I got a taste of it, I got a glimpse.
40:56 Speaker 04 Yeah.
40:56 Speaker 03 But I never really got to like indulge in having like a consciousness at that time.
41:00 Speaker 04 Yeah.
41:00 Speaker 03 So.
41:01 Speaker 04 You were born in 91?
41:02 Speaker 03 91, yeah.
41:03 Speaker 04 Okay.
41:03 Speaker 03 Yeah. Sit with that. I'm 34 and I'm not ashamed to say it.
41:08 Speaker 04 I just didn't, I, I guess I hadn't put like a number to that, which is, it's genuinely nothing funny about being 34. It's just 91 is like, I've, I guess the feeling I was feeling when I said that was a little bit of jealousy. You got more consciousness in the nineties than I did.
41:22 Speaker 03 Yeah. And I never thought that that's something, that I never pictured, I never predicted that would be something I'd feel thankful for.
41:28 Speaker 04 Yeah.
41:28 Speaker 03 But I genuinely am.
41:30 Speaker 04 Let's practice some gratitude around that.
41:31 Speaker 03 Gratitude.
41:32 Speaker 04 Bring it up with the therapist.
41:33 Speaker 03 I, I feel like the time that I was born was, as a woman, so interesting because I was raised on, of course, Spice Girls feminism.
41:40 Speaker 04 Yeah.
41:41 Speaker 03 When at the same time, one of my earliest memories is Bill Clinton's press conference about Monica Lewinsky.
41:45 Speaker 04 Yeah.
41:46 Speaker 03 So it's very, it was very confusing, but also then I think created this beautiful, this beautiful mind that I have, that I wouldn't trade for anything.
41:55 Speaker 04 Yeah, of course.
41:55 Speaker 03 Because I love how it works and I have gratitude for that too.
41:57 Speaker 04 Well, I love your mind as well. I think you're brilliant. I think you're beautiful.
42:00 Speaker 03 Thank you.
42:01 Speaker 04 I thought, I thought you did an amazing job hosting the Globes, by the way.
42:03 Speaker 03 Thank you.
42:04 Speaker 04 How was that experience?
42:05 Speaker 03 I had a great time.
42:06 Speaker 04 Do you find it difficult to be in those kind of Hollywood rooms where everyone's so upset and emaciated? Or is it more manageable than I would think?
42:14 Speaker 03 Well, you know, the question I wanted to ask everyone was, would you rather be happy or skinny?
42:17 Speaker 04 Yeah.
42:18 Speaker 03 And then go, never mind, I can tell.
42:24 Speaker 04 Never mind, I know the answer.
42:25 Speaker 03 I know. So, yeah, I think that being in those rooms, it can be overwhelming and stressful for a lot of reasons. And I'm, I think, I'm happy that the things that I'm experiencing are happening to me at the age that I'm at. Because even, okay, just to walk you through some of my psychosis.
42:41 Speaker 04 Yeah.
42:41 Speaker 03 So I don't have a flat stomach and I never will have a truly flat stomach, the type of flat stomach that you could bounce a quarter off of, okay? And that's something that I have to live with.
42:49 Speaker 04 Yeah.
42:49 Speaker 03 And so at the Golden Globes, I was wearing a dress that from the side, I had like a little, you could just see it wasn't flat. And so in my twenties, if there was footage of me looking like that on the internet, I would have gone into a hole.
43:04 Speaker 04 Yeah.
43:04 Speaker 03 I would have, I would have been so stressed out, depressed, like, oh my God, I just don't like how I look there. And as a 34 year old now, I'm like, that's exposure therapy.
43:14 Speaker 04 Yeah.
43:15 Speaker 03 I'm not a model, I'm a comedian. I don't need to have a flat stomach for work.
43:18 Speaker 04 Yeah.
43:19 Speaker 03 And so it's okay, but from the side, you, there's a little, there's a little tummy.
43:24 Speaker 04 Yeah.
43:24 Speaker 03 There's a little tummy bump.
43:25 Speaker 04 I'm glad you acknowledged that entire line of thinking as psychosis.
43:28 Speaker 03 Yeah.
43:28 Speaker 04 Because it is one of the more psychotic things I've ever heard you say.
43:31 Speaker 03 So when-
43:32 Speaker 04 For you to say, I'm not a model, as like objectively a model.
43:35 Speaker 03 But I'm not.
43:36 Speaker 04 Mary Beth.
43:37 Speaker 03 Well, but I'm not bringing this up so you would say this.
43:39 Speaker 04 No, no, no, I know that. I love you to death. We have to step back into reality for a moment. The idea that you would even say from the side, I have a little bit of a stomach is like, it is time to root back. I want you to take your socks off and step in grass today. I want you to come back to us. I want you to rejoin us on earth because that's insane.
43:56 Speaker 03 It's, it's really scary.
43:57 Speaker 04 It's scary and I'm not saying it's your fault, but it's scary stuff.
44:00 Speaker 03 But, well, because you said emaciated, so I just wanted to speak to that a little bit.
44:04 Speaker 04 Yeah.
44:04 Speaker 03 For the, describing the other people in the room.
44:06 Speaker 04 Well, so many people in those rooms are like, they're getting, they're getting thin to a point that I'm like, uh oh. And they're also, everyone in those spaces is vibrating like a tuning fork with the pressure of trying to seem cool when they're deeply uncool.
44:20 Speaker 03 Yeah.
44:20 Speaker 04 They like want to win a trophy so bad that they are like, would genuinely, genuinely, whether they admit it or not, they, they would poison every other nominee to death to get that trophy.
44:31 Speaker 03 Yeah.
44:31 Speaker 04 And that is an energy that being around it is like very, very psychotic. And you really did such a good job at making it lighthearted and funny.
44:40 Speaker 03 I think I really wanted to just match people's energy and that was the goal. And I did 50 interviews and some of them won't come out for various reasons, whatever they may be.
44:51 Speaker 04 People's publicists said that they couldn't.
44:52 Speaker 03 People's publicists said that they couldn't. But I think it's, it was, it was, it was really fun for me. I genuinely had a great time and what I wanted to do was make people feel comfortable to the point. I wanted to make people feel comfortable by asking them questions that they didn't necessarily need an answer to, or giving them multiple choice, just because now that I've been on the other end of some of those interviews, I'm like, if you ask me how I feel in a certain moment, that's such a complicated question. And it's hard to answer without sounding like a fucking idiot, to be frank. So we wanted to create a back and forth that felt like there was no pressure on the person to be funny. We're going to have it be sort of lighthearted and silly. And if there was ever a lull, I just have another question for them.
45:30 Speaker 04 Yeah.
45:31 Speaker 03 And I had, I had a lot of fun and the response was really lovely and wonderful. And so, but it was one of those things too, where I was like, when are they going to turn on me?
45:38 Speaker 04 Yeah.
45:38 Speaker 03 Because they're going to turn on me and I just don't know when.
45:41 Speaker 04 Well, this is the big question we all have to contend with, by the way.
45:43 Speaker 03 Yeah. And, and that was scary, but I, I had, yeah, it was great. I really, I couldn't feel the bottom of my feet for a few days because I was standing in heels for that long. But yeah, I had fun.
45:54 Speaker 04 You did a really phenomenal job and you bring up something so important, which is that publicists, as it stands, are a protected group in this country. And they, we need to open up at least the conversation and idea of discriminating against them.
46:05 Speaker 03 Remove protected status for publicists.
46:07 Speaker 04 Publicists are some of the most insidious and dark figures. And I want my publicists to tune out right now, just log off for a moment. We'll let you know when it's safe to tune back in.
46:17 Speaker 03 Yeah.
46:17 Speaker 04 I love you guys. You do great work. But publicists as a class of people are some of the most horrendous, like upsetting people I've ever had to interact with.
46:26 Speaker 03 I want to say too, there were some that we didn't put out. There were only two that got held for publicist reasons.
46:31 Speaker 04 Yeah.
46:32 Speaker 03 And then the rest were either creative decisions or just like, you know, at a certain point, if you just keep posting, like people will just be like, okay, we get it.
46:39 Speaker 04 Yeah.
46:40 Speaker 03 Okay. We've seen it now.
46:41 Speaker 04 We got the interviews.
46:41 Speaker 03 There are some we're going to release as, as time goes on and in a timely manner.
46:45 Speaker 04 Yeah.
46:45 Speaker 03 That makes sense. But yeah, there was a publicist lounge in the hotel.
46:50 Speaker 04 I
46:51 Speaker 03 And it had a sign that says public. It has a sign that says publicist lounge. And when I walked by, I had a chill.
46:58 Speaker 04 Sponsored by the biggest purses you've ever seen, by the way.
47:01 Speaker 03 Oh, the biggest purses and Purdue Pharmaceuticals.
47:03 Speaker 04 By the way.
47:03 Speaker 03 Yeah.
47:04 Speaker 04 Really, really, yeah. Publicist, also, I want to tell public figures, please stop hiding behind your publicist. Stop it. It's not working. Your agents and managers and publicists being mean to everyone on your behalf and then you showing up and being like, hey, how is everyone? It's not working. We know that you're involved.
47:22 Speaker 03 Yeah.
47:22 Speaker 04 We know that you're not unaware of, we know that you were sending a text being like, tell them I'm leaving in 45 fucking minutes. I don't want to be here. The like, my team will be the bad guy so I can show up and be the nice guy thing. If anyone listening to this as a public figure, I just want you to know it's not working.
47:36 Speaker 03 Yeah.
47:36 Speaker 04 And I am assigning the way your team treats people to your ethics.
47:40 Speaker 03 Yeah.
47:40 Speaker 04 From here on out. That's where I'm going with it because it's not working and I hate it. Publicist has to come to records of this show and I say, you can stand on the street and wait.
47:48 Speaker 03 Yeah.
47:48 Speaker 04 You cannot interrupt me ever while I'm talking.
47:50 Speaker 03 One of those things, sit in a police van.
47:52 Speaker 04 Yes.
47:53 Speaker 03 Get one of the things that you can hear what we're saying.
47:55 Speaker 04 Yes.
47:55 Speaker 03 And then you can talk about it after.
47:56 Speaker 04 And there won't be a communication line coming back to us.
47:59 Speaker 03 No, certainly not.
48:00 Speaker 04 If a publicist ever interrupts me during a thought, I am really scared. I think I would blackout and do something really bad.
48:07 Speaker 03 Something, something really, really bad.
48:09 Speaker 04 Really, really, really bad.
48:10 Speaker 03 I, I haven't, we haven't interacted with that many publicists because we don't have guests on our podcast. But I can imagine, and I will say there was minimal publicist intervention at the Golden Globes. Like, I do think people felt safe that if they needed to, they could step in, but like, didn't, you know, interfere with the back and forth.
48:28 Speaker 04 Yeah.
48:29 Speaker 03 But there is just, yeah, there is something to be said for that. And I do love my publicists, of course, because they have hearts of gold, just like.
48:36 Speaker 04 My publicists are some of the kindest people I've ever met in my life.
48:39 Speaker 03 But yeah, I, I agree with you. I don't think it's working.
48:42 Speaker 04 I just, the thing you said, like, people felt comfortable, they felt safe knowing they could jump in. I want to create an environment of fear where they know they can't. You cannot jump in. Your client is an adult and they can speak to me, another adult, and make choices about the way they. You cannot step into me having a conversation ever. Do not ever interrupt me. I just really don't have any tolerance for it. We're two adults having a conversation in public and our job is being in public.
49:07 Speaker 03 Right.
49:07 Speaker 04 I think they can handle the repercussions of slipping up on a word.
49:10 Speaker 03 Right.
49:11 Speaker 04 It's crazy.
49:11 Speaker 03 And by the way, we want everyone to look good in that situation.
49:15 Speaker 04 I don't want to make anyone look bad.
49:16 Speaker 03 So we were being extremely thoughtful as well in the edit of like, oh, let's cut this part. Cause it like, it dragged a little bit or like that one didn't land or whatever it is like. We don't want to make these celebrities look like fools. And by the way, we could.
49:28 Speaker 04 Depends on which one.
49:29 Speaker 03 Well, yeah.
49:30 Speaker 04 For me, it depends on which one. I don't know. It depends.
49:34 Speaker 03 Yeah, the whole, just the being consumed by the public. Do you ever get stressed by it or do you feel like you're at peace with it?
49:41 Speaker 04 Uh, in which part? What do you mean?
49:43 Speaker 03 Just constantly being, I guess the, this idea of like, you're, even when we're having this conversation, people are consuming us on the internet.
49:50 Speaker 04 Yeah.
49:51 Speaker 03 Does that ever stress you out?
49:52 Speaker 04 I have tried my very, of course, I've tried my very best to tune out of as much as possible. It will rot your brain. But I think more broadly than, I also really hope that when people listen to this show and we sometimes talk about what it's like to be perceived online. I hope everyone knows that we're, it's not separate from what we're all experiencing. Like this is actually a universal conversation. We all are contending with the stresses and repercussions of living in a time where we are living in the Panopticon. Every one of us, even who are not famous or have podcasts or standups or whatever. Every one of us is living in a time in society where we're all being watched all the time.
50:29 Speaker 03 Yeah.
50:30 Speaker 04 And we all have to contend with that. So if it ever feels, uh, yeah, I just want everyone to like, know that these conversations are actually about all of us. And I'm just talking from my unique lens on it.
50:39 Speaker 03 Yeah.
50:39 Speaker 04 But we all live in this really fucked up time where everyone's watching us all the time. And there's always a phone and a camera trained on all of us.
50:45 Speaker 03 I mean, there's three cameras on us right now.
50:46 Speaker 04 Right. And, and you came on purpose to do this. That's crazy.
50:49 Speaker 03 I know.
50:49 Speaker 04 But when you were walking down the street, there were probably hundreds of cameras on you. Like, yeah, it's a really crazy time to live in. And I think as little as you can think about. That is helpful because it's really not natural what's happening to us. We weren't supposed to be known by this many people.
51:04 Speaker 03 Yeah, and I just to also say, I am really grateful gratitude.
51:09 Speaker 04 Yeah.
51:09 Speaker 03 I'm grateful for the audience that I have and I, I think I liked, I like to be thoughtful about what I say because I don't want to let them down, you know, like they've trusted me and they, they're supporting me. And so I just want to like do right by them all the time. And so I don't want it to sound like I'm complaining at all because we got into this knowing full well what it entails. And obviously we're learning new things about what it's like to, to do this for a job every day. But I do have a lot of gratitude and I, I just want to like do, I want to use the platform for good and, and for entertainment.
51:42 Speaker 04 Yeah.
51:42 Speaker 03 But I just don't want it to ever feel like I'm complaining because like every opportunity that I have, I, I'm thankful for. Even being on this podcast, it's an honor to be asked back.
51:51 Speaker 04 You're grateful to be on So True Podcast?
51:53 Speaker 03 This is, I'm being, I'm being so genuine right now. And being earnest, this is another thing people have struggled with, with me is they can't tell when I'm being earnest.
51:59 Speaker 04 That's because your cadence remains the same.
52:01 Speaker 03 I know, and I'm really sorry about that.
52:02 Speaker 04 No, don't be sorry. I'm just telling you why.
52:04 Speaker 03 Yeah.
52:05 Speaker 04 I'm just expressing, not me. I love you and I feel very, I'm comfortable and open with you.
52:09 Speaker 03 But people think I'm constantly being facetious when I'm not.
52:13 Speaker 04 Yeah, I, uh, I'm grateful, I'm grateful for so many things. You know what I actually was thinking of recently? I really do practice gratitude a lot, like as an actual practice, like sitting down and legitimately thinking about things I'm grateful for, that I can walk, that I can see, that I can speak, um, that, yeah, that I have like a financial situation that is so much better than like when, when I was growing up. I think about all these things. But recently I read something that has been sticking with me so much on Substack. I'm loving Substack. Can I just say, are you on Substack?
52:42 Speaker 03 No.
52:42 Speaker 04 Get on Substack, girl.
52:44 Speaker 03 Really?
52:44 Speaker 04 Substack is so special to me. It's what finally encouraged me to get rid of TikTok. No offense to the TikTok lovers. Thank you guys for watching the videos and sharing them.
52:53 Speaker 03 Yeah.
52:53 Speaker 04 But I don't, I was not having fun on TikTok. I didn't enjoy it. Substack is awesome. Substack is so fun. People are writing really great stuff on there. The, the notes function on Substack is feeling so. It's the first thing that has come close to making me feel like Twitter used to feel before it got awful.
53:10 Speaker 03 Yeah.
53:10 Speaker 04 Twitter used to be amazing and I feel so bad for people that don't know that.
53:13 Speaker 03 I know.
53:13 Speaker 04 Early Twitter was so incredible. Um, but yeah, people are writing and it's a lot of fun. And I'm reading lots of good stuff on there. Um, but Substack, I read something about, someone was writing about, they have a, um, they have a family member who is schizophrenic. And they were writing about how they had never, their, their, their family member, I guess, developed schizophrenia or their symptoms changed or something, but their mind wasn't always, um, so impacted by schizophrenia.
53:39 Speaker 03 Yeah.
53:39 Speaker 04 And they were talking about the amount of gratitude they've started practicing around like having a sound mind, a mind that can like reason and make sense of things and isn't lying to them or playing tricks on them. And I like really had never considered that in my gratitude practice. But it is actually, when I get down to it, the thing I am the most grateful for.
53:58 Speaker 03 Yeah.
53:59 Speaker 04 Is that I have a mind that I can trust. And that doesn't mean like, I don't even mean that I'm smart. I mean, I have a mind that isn't like, it isn't playing voices that aren't there. It isn't telling me lies. It isn't like trying to destroy me all the time. It was in my twenties. In my early twenties, it was trying to destroy me with depression, but my mind is sound.
54:17 Speaker 03 Yeah.
54:17 Speaker 04 You know what I mean? And that is like, so now I've been trying to find new things to be grateful for that I've never considered. And it's hard because most of them are just like the things you'd think of, like my friends in my house.
54:26 Speaker 03 Yeah. You're, you're sort of selling me on Substack because I love the idea of finding things like that that then are resonating with me. And I don't really feel like I have a place for that right now. Like when I see things on TikTok that I like, it's usually like fan edits of, like I posted one that was like, that feeling when a guy says you scare him, you know, and it's basketball players, um, making their shots.
54:47 Speaker 04 Yeah.
54:47 Speaker 03 Um, I would love to, I would love to have my brain sort of stimulated by some more, um, substantial thoughts, like what you're describing. And I am, I am thankful for my, my sound mind. I think one thing I haven't spoken about that much, which I'm sure I will speak on it more as I've like processed it. My dad had dementia toward the end of his life and just watching, watching him. Be able to trust his mind less and less. I I've definitely been feeling more grateful for my health. Yeah, it's just about gratitude. And and hey, you're grateful for Substack.
55:20 Speaker 04 I am grateful for Substack.
55:21 Speaker 03 You're grateful for that beautiful mind of yours.
55:23 Speaker 04 I really do love Substack. I also had a huge, uh, I I had started, when I started Substack, it was because I was ending my relationship with Patreon. And me and Patreon had to call it quits.
55:34 Speaker 03 You're gonna say something else.
55:35 Speaker 04 I was ending my relationship with a real person.
55:37 Speaker 03 With your boyfriend.
55:38 Speaker 04 Instead of a platform. No, I was ending, we were moving over to Substack from Patreon. Really, nothing against Patreon. They were lovely and it was a great platform, but just Substack offered more of what we needed.
55:49 Speaker 04 But we had made, like, we had told the fans what our Substack was gonna be like. And then I very quickly got overwhelmed by the amount of things that needed to happen. And I had to, like, do something very difficult and and be like, hey, that it's actually not gonna go like that. I have to pull back in some of these things I can't do.
56:03 Speaker 03 Yeah.
56:03 Speaker 04 And I was really scared because I I take, like, I take very seriously people's money and attention. People's money and attention is very, very, very important to me. I don't fuck around about my shows being good. I don't fuck around about people getting their money's worth. I try to pay people very well. I try, like, I I'm very serious about people's money and attention.
56:23 Speaker 03 Yeah.
56:23 Speaker 04 And I I don't ever want someone to feel like I'm cashing in on them or, like, taking advantage. And everyone was, like, so sweet and lovely and understanding. It was in the, it was during last year where I had, like, the most psychotic work year of my life.
56:37 Speaker 03 Yeah.
56:37 Speaker 04 Thank God, I'm so grateful. I loved everything I did. Except for one thing.
56:42 Speaker 03 Tell me after.
56:43 Speaker 04 We can talk about it off camera.
56:46 Speaker 04 But, yeah, I I it was so nice to, like, have, um, I just felt, uh, so endeared to my little community on Substack that was so, like, kind to me.
56:56 Speaker 03 Well, that's a reflection of the base that you've built, which I'm grateful for with our podcast listeners as well, because they obviously know who you are as a person. And it's a reflection of of, yeah, like, you're, you are, you're the magnet for those people. And I think that's when I'm really proud to have the fans that I have. And it feels weird to say fans, but like, you know, the audience that I have. It's when I do shows and I invite other comedians on and they're like, wow, your crowds are so great. Like, they're so attentive, they're locked in, they're laughing. It's like, so they're the most fun shows. And it's because that's like what you're putting out.
57:29 Speaker 04 Yeah.
57:30 Speaker 03 So I think that it's, did anyone send you mean messages?
57:33 Speaker 04 Uh, no, some people canceled their subscription, which I, we said, like, please get a refund if you need to do that. We're still offering a lot. We offer ad-free episodes and stuff on there. Like, it's not like we took everything away. But there were people that did cancel their thing, but they were very nice. And that, that's appropriate. Money's tight. Do what you need to do.
57:49 Speaker 03 Yeah.
57:49 Speaker 04 But they're like, hey, I love you. I just can't justify paying for this if I'm not getting the thing I love. They loved like the bonus interviews or whatever. And I was like, good for you. Like, there's no part of me that's like, fuck you. They were so nice about it. But the thing about audiences being nice, I, Chance and I, every venue we went to on tour last year, the venue staff would like tell us, like, your fans are the nicest people we have ever interacted with.
58:11 Speaker 03 Respectful.
58:12 Speaker 04 And it like made us cry. Like, it was so emotional and sweet because we feel that. Like, we do feel that, like, we, like, nice people like our stuff and our, our, our fans treat venue staff well. They tip. They like are polite and courteous and they follow the rules and are like-
58:29 Speaker 03 Yeah, they're conscientious.
58:30 Speaker 04 They're nice people.
58:30 Speaker 03 Yeah.
58:31 Speaker 04 And it made me, it's probably the proudest, if I'm like proud of anything that I did last year, probably the proudest moments were like venue staff telling us that our fans were the nicest people that come in the building.
58:40 Speaker 03 It means a lot.
58:41 Speaker 04 Yeah.
58:41 Speaker 03 And the fact that, yeah, it's, it's sort of a cycle because the fact that we would care about something like that, I think is why. You know what I mean?
58:48 Speaker 04 Yeah.
58:48 Speaker 03 Just people that are thoughtful and caring. And so I, I think if gratitude is the theme, then I'm feeling it.
58:55 Speaker 04 You're feeling gratitude?
58:55 Speaker 03 That's what I have to say.
58:56 Speaker 04 Are you happy? Be honest.
58:59 Speaker 03 I am not.
59:02 Speaker 04 Really?
59:02 Speaker 03 Not all the time. I have moments.
59:05 Speaker 04 Yeah. I, I guess I mean, when I say that, I don't think there's such a thing as a happy person. Like, capital H, it's a thing you are. But I mean, do you feel yourself experiencing a lot of happiness lately or are we working on it?
59:13 Speaker 03 We're working on it.
59:14 Speaker 04 Yeah.
59:15 Speaker 03 I think one thing that was hard about the Globes for me was like, I went home and I was by myself. Like, I really want to be in a relationship. I want to be in love. I want to build a life with someone. So- To leave something that was so much stimulation and feel like, oh my God, that was so fun. And then you go home and like, no one's caring for me right now. And maybe that's important for my growth. And then when I meet the person, I'll be better because I'll know myself better about whatever, whatever. You know, you know, all that crap.
59:43 Speaker 04 Yeah, stupid shit.
59:44 Speaker 03 Stupid bullshit. That's dumb that we tell ourselves to make it hurt less. But I think that, yeah, that's, that's sort of the big hole in my life right now. And I'm trying to be comfortable with that, but it is hard. It's like, I want someone to hold me and tell me I did a good job and rub my back. And, you know, I have a list of what I'm looking for in my next partner. I'll share it with you after this, if you're interested.
1:00:07 Speaker 04 Please do.
1:00:07 Speaker 03 But it's, I'm, I just want to be more, um, I guess, like, yeah, thoughtful about who I engage with in the future. And that's why I'm taking this break right now. I just need to really focus on, on work, which focusing on work does make me happy. And when things are happening with work, I feel, I feel those moments of joy. I would love to be fulfilled in, in that area, but it's just not, that it's just not the time for that right now. For whatever reason.
1:00:31 Speaker 04 I, yeah, I think the big, uh, challenge in life for everybody is like, a piece will probably always be missing. Like, I think we, I think we all have to come to terms with like, the fact that a piece will always be missing. The equation will never be completely perfect.
1:00:43 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:00:43 Speaker 04 This thing will fall into place, that thing will shift out of place. There will always be something that could be better.
1:00:50 Speaker 04 I'll tell, yeah, there will always be something that could be better. And that is so hard because the, I think the hardest part about trying to be a person who's happy more often than they're not, is like, we have to, yeah, we have to figure out, because same, I want, you know, I want to be in like a loving, happy relationship, et cetera.
1:01:07 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:01:08 Speaker 04 Yeah, you have to just, we, we have to be like, okay, it'll happen when it happens.
1:01:14 Speaker 03 It'll happen when it happens. And I, I guess I, I don't know, the people, it's so hard. You're like, oh, people listen to this and do that, or think this, or whatever. But like, I'm just being honest. I guess I'm, I've always just led with honesty and that's just how I'm feeling right now. It's like, I want a partner. And I'm looking at my life and where I, where I am at 34 is not where I thought I'd be in my like, personal life, but. And people are always like, we have all these great friends and blah, blah, blah. I'm like, well, I'm not going to bring my 12 best friends as my date to a wedding, am I?
1:01:42 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:01:42 Speaker 03 You know exactly what the fuck I'm talking about.
1:01:45 Speaker 03 So don't, don't come to me with that bullshit. Yes, of course. And I've put so much into my friendships and my friends really showed up for me in a beautiful way last year, like you included. I had a very difficult year and I'm so grateful for that, but like, it's not the same as someone who's gonna like, wake up next to me and kiss me with morning breath and go get a coffee for me so I can sleep longer.
1:02:05 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:02:05 Speaker 03 You know what I mean? Like, my friends aren't doing that and I would never expect them to.
1:02:08 Speaker 04 I will say, I took a pretty big swing when you called me about your dad passing.
1:02:12 Speaker 03 I know. I know.
1:02:14 Speaker 04 You, I took a big swing. You called me crying and I said, first of all, relax.
1:02:18 Speaker 03 You should calm down.
1:02:19 Speaker 04 Stop being dramatic.
1:02:20 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:02:20 Speaker 04 And I, the, the, the millisecond it took to hear your laughter was one of the scariest moments of my life.
1:02:26 Speaker 03 I hope that you feel the comfortability to do that for the rest of our friendship until we're 90.
1:02:31 Speaker 04 I do.
1:02:32 Speaker 03 And.
1:02:32 Speaker 04 But then at 90, I need to tighten up.
1:02:34 Speaker 03 At 90, I think you should maybe pull it back a little bit.
1:02:36 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:02:36 Speaker 03 And just be a little bit more respectful and serious.
1:02:38 Speaker 04 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:02:39 Speaker 03 But yeah, it's, it's, it's tough. Cause I guess they, as they say, I think this was from Sex and the City, but maybe someone came up with it before and Carrie Bradshaw stole it. But you're always looking in New York, as a woman in New York, you're always looking for a job, a boyfriend or an apartment.
1:02:51 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:02:52 Speaker 03 So I, yeah, where I'm at right now is that, I am passively looking for an apartment, but, and, and it could be a girlfriend too.
1:03:00 Speaker 04 Hello.
1:03:01 Speaker 03 It's 2026.
1:03:01 Speaker 04 Hello, let's say that.
1:03:02 Speaker 03 Where's my G flip?
1:03:03 Speaker 04 Where, I want you to find your G flip so bad.
1:03:06 Speaker 03 I want my G flip.
1:03:07 Speaker 04 We did your show True, It Girls Should Not Be Having Weddings, but you know, we have to play true or false.
1:03:10 Speaker 03 Great, let's do it.
1:03:11 Speaker 04 You know we do, it's the last thing. Uh, I'm gonna read you 15 statements, Mary Beth Barone, and you're gonna tell me as quickly as you can after each one, if you think what I just said is true or false, if you get 10 or more correct, I'm gonna give you 50 US dollars. Are you ready?
1:03:21 Speaker 03 Cool, yeah.
1:03:21 Speaker 04 Bath and Body Works was founded in 2000.
1:03:24 Speaker 03 False.
1:03:24 Speaker 04 False, 1990. There's an active volcano in Colorado.
1:03:27 Speaker 03 True.
1:03:28 Speaker 04 True. Squids have beaks.
1:03:30 Speaker 03 False.
1:03:30 Speaker 04 True. Boston College's motto is look to the heavens.
1:03:33 Speaker 03 That is false.
1:03:34 Speaker 04 False, it is. Ever to excel.
1:03:37 Speaker 03 That's what I was gonna say if you didn't say it.
1:03:38 Speaker 04 Yeah. Mercury is the only planet in the solar system with no moons.
1:03:42 Speaker 03 False.
1:03:42 Speaker 04 False. It's Mercury and Venus. Lizzie McGuire ran for two seasons.
1:03:46 Speaker 03 True.
1:03:47 Speaker 04 True. No US president has ever been without a first lady.
1:03:50 Speaker 03 False.
1:03:51 Speaker 04 False. James Buchanan. Bulls are colorblind.
1:03:54 Speaker 03 True.
1:03:54 Speaker 04 True. West Hill High School's newspaper is called The Hiller.
1:03:57 Speaker 03 That is false.
1:03:58 Speaker 04 It's called The Westward. Dan Marino played his whole career with the Miami Dolphins.
1:04:04 Speaker 03 True.
1:04:05 Speaker 04 True. Sam Sung means three stars in Korean.
1:04:08 Speaker 03 I can't speak on that.
1:04:12 Speaker 03 I won't answer.
1:04:13 Speaker 04 You have to answer.
1:04:15 Speaker 03 False.
1:04:15 Speaker 04 It's true. Aunt Queens can live up to 30 years.
1:04:20 Speaker 03 Aunt Queens can live up to 34 years, cuz I am one.
1:04:24 Speaker 04 What are you going with?
1:04:26 Speaker 04 You better pick a true or false.
1:04:27 Speaker 03 True.
1:04:27 Speaker 04 It is true. Protestants are the largest Christian denomination.
1:04:30 Speaker 03 Ooh, true.
1:04:32 Speaker 04 False. It's Catholics. The Connecticut State.
1:04:33 Speaker 03 But I left.
1:04:34 Speaker 04 What?
1:04:35 Speaker 03 They left.
1:04:35 Speaker 04 That's true. I wanna talk to you about that, by the way.
1:04:38 Speaker 03 Okay.
1:04:38 Speaker 04 The Connecticut, the Connecticut State Anthem is Yankee Doodle.
1:04:42 Speaker 03 False.
1:04:42 Speaker 04 True. Kathy Bates is an EGOT winner.
1:04:45 Speaker 03 False.
1:04:45 Speaker 04 False. How'd she do? 11. Wow, let's go.
1:04:50 Speaker 03 Rock and roll. I want my 50.
1:04:51 Speaker 04 That's huge. You'll be getting it. Uh, Mary Beth, tell the people where they can find you, what they should do to support.
1:04:56 Speaker 03 You can find me at Mary Beth Barone on all social platforms, and I'm touring. There's a few tickets left in Dallas and a few in Providence, but they might be gone by the time this comes out, so you better, you better act fast.
1:05:09 Speaker 04 You better hope.
1:05:10 Speaker 03 You better invent a time machine and act fast.
1:05:12 Speaker 04 Hello.
1:05:13 Speaker 03 You can also find me as the co-host of Ride the Podcast, which by the time this comes out, we will be on a hiatus between seasons three and four, but you can always go back and listen from the first episode.
1:05:23 Speaker 04 And you should.
1:05:24 Speaker 03 And you should, and you can watch Overcompensating on Prime Video.
1:05:27 Speaker 04 You can.
1:05:28 Speaker 03 You can.
1:05:28 Speaker 04 And you can text Benny and tell him to put me in season two, because he asked me, he asked me at Union Hall if I would come back for season two.
1:05:34 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:05:34 Speaker 04 Hypothetically, I said, Benny, of course I would.
1:05:37 Speaker 03 I told him that, too.
1:05:38 Speaker 04 Make CJ some psychotic little arc for one episode.
1:05:41 Speaker 03 Please.
1:05:41 Speaker 04 What are we talking about?
1:05:42 Speaker 03 Also, I will, I will have a Netflix special at some point this year, so look out for that.
1:05:46 Speaker 04 Yeah, you will. Love you. Thanks for doing it.
1:05:47 Speaker 03 Thank you.
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