Jo Sunday Loves Old People

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• 0:30Speaker 01

  Ugh, I hate Mondays.

• 0:32Speaker 02

  King's Hawaiian cinnamon swirl bite?

• 0:33Speaker 01

  Uh, Taylor Hansen? Sure, I'll try one. Mmm.

• 0:39Speaker 03

  Hey, let's get back to work, please.

• 0:40Speaker 01

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• 0:45Speaker 03

  Taylor Hansen? Nice.

• 0:47Speaker 02

  Try one.

• 0:48Speaker 03

  Mmm.

• 0:52Speaker 02

  King's Hawaiian cinnamon bites. There's nothing like it.

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  Wave.

• 1:04Speaker 05

  So you became cool quickly.

• 1:06Speaker 04

  Uh, no, I was still not cool, but I was not going to spend even an hour doing something I didn't want to do.

• 1:12Speaker 05

  That's cool.

• 1:13Speaker 04

  And I would say that has-

• 1:14Speaker 05

  That is cool.

• 1:14Speaker 04

  That has stuck.

• 1:15Speaker 05

  That is cool.

• 1:21Speaker 05

  Do you have any kind of kinks?

• 1:23Speaker 04

  Yeah.

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  Will you say?

• 1:25Speaker 04

  No, they're secrets.

• 1:26Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:27Speaker 04

  They're between me and my lovers.

• 1:28Speaker 05

  I respect that.

• 1:29Speaker 04

  But I don't, I will tell you for sure-

• 1:31Speaker 05

  Mine are like totally sick and I also shouldn't say.

• 1:34Speaker 04

  Yeah?

• 1:35Speaker 05

  Definitely like in terms of what I'm searching on the computer.

• 1:38Speaker 04

  Yeah?

• 1:39Speaker 05

  There are things I'm searching and thinking about that I've never told a soul.

• 1:43Speaker 04

  How often are you watching pee?

• 1:45Speaker 05

  Watching pee? Hmm, it comes and goes in waves.

• 1:49Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:50Speaker 05

  But even when I am watching pee, I'm not really watching, I'm just using it for inspo and I'm imagining the rest.

• 1:58Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:59Speaker 05

  I'm, I'm turning it on, it's like the pizza girl gets to the door, I'm like, "Thank you."

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  Got it.

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  Laptop closed.

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  Have the characters, thank you.

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  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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  Have the characters in the setting, I'll be working on the plot. Thank you.

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  But these days, I'm feeling a bit more creatively alive and so I don't really need to turn on the (bleep). I can just kind of (bleep).

• 2:15Speaker 04

  See, I told people this once-

• 2:17Speaker 05

  They never do it right. Okay, go ahead.

• 2:18Speaker 04

  I told people this once in college.

• 2:20Speaker 05

  That-

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  That I really, I really can, I really can do everything I need with just my imagination.

• 2:24Speaker 05

  Oh, that's so cool.

• 2:25Speaker 04

  And I was made fun of. They're like, what do you mean? And I was like, I just imagined something awesome.

• 2:33Speaker 04

  And then I get to work. I imagined something awesome.

• 2:36Speaker 05

  I do, I find it hard. Like, even if I have a crush on someone or I think someone's hot, for some reason, that's not helpful. This is why I worry that I'm asexual or something.

• 2:46Speaker 04

  I don't think you're asexual.

• 2:48Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 2:52Speaker 04

  Just based on what you've told me, I mean.

• 2:54Speaker 05

  I don't even know where the camera is. To my new lover, you hear that?

• 2:57Speaker 04

  Your new lover that you met last night?

• 2:59Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:59Speaker 04

  Okay, huge. Did something happen or this is just a vibe that you're getting?

• 3:03Speaker 05

  I fell in love. Yeah. Like, as simple as that.

• 3:05Speaker 04

  Will you walk me through it? I want to hear about it. I know, that's what I want.

• 3:10Speaker 05

  Well,

• 3:12Speaker 05

  usually, I don't fuck fans. Do you fuck fans?

• 3:16Speaker 04

  For sure. Happy to. It's my honor and privilege. Fucking a fan is my honor and privilege. It's one of the most special parts of my work.

• 3:24Speaker 05

  Whoa.

• 3:25Speaker 04

  It means more to me than writing.

• 3:30Speaker 04

  Getting a laugh means nothing to me compared to making a fan come.

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  I love to make a fan see.

• 3:36Speaker 05

  Oh, well, usually, usually I can't. Usually, there's something about it that's like, maybe it's like I don't respect them enough.

• 3:45Speaker 04

  Why not? They should be a fan.

• 3:47Speaker 05

  That's bad, that's bad, that's bad.

• 3:48Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:48Speaker 05

  Well, thank you for saying that. And I feel kind of the same way.

• 3:52Speaker 04

  I know you do, yeah.

• 3:53Speaker 05

  Or at least, like, when someone's my fan, I'm like, this guy kind of knows what's going on.

• 3:57Speaker 04

  Tastes, yeah.

• 3:58Speaker 05

  It's actually tough. Like, someone really hurt my feelings lately. I was trying to date someone completely elderly.

• 4:03Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 4:03Speaker 05

  And all my friends, the whole time, were like, this person wears a fedora, Joe. Like, you should not be letting them hurt your feelings like this. And I'm like, before, during, and after, I stand by it.

• 4:15Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 4:15Speaker 05

  The fedora guy was, like, totally hot.

• 4:17Speaker 04

  Was that the most recent time you got your feelings hurt romantically?

• 4:20Speaker 05

  Uh, yes, but also, like, I wake up every day and I get my feelings hurt romantically.

• 4:26Speaker 04

  Yeah. What'd you change your mind about most recently, do you think?

• 4:28Speaker 05

  Oh, fuck, fuck, fuck.

• 4:29Speaker 04

  Can you think of it?

• 4:30Speaker 05

  Well.

• 4:31Speaker 04

  Because it's kind of an annoying question, but if you can think of one.

• 4:34Speaker 05

  We love. So annoying question, annoying answer.

• 4:38Speaker 04

  So, is this the part where we kiss?

• 4:44Speaker 04

  Hey mister. Hey mister sends me.

• 4:47Speaker 05

  Oh my gosh. I actually, I have something real that I've changed my mind about recently.

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  Tell me.

• 4:50Speaker 05

  And it's good, it's kind of boring, but.

• 4:53Speaker 04

  I doubt it.

• 4:53Speaker 05

  I've changed my mind about like,

• 4:57Speaker 05

  like being a self-made man.

• 4:59Speaker 04

  Hmm, say more.

• 5:00Speaker 05

  Like, I think I really,

• 5:05Speaker 05

  like, like, like for some reason Bo Burnham is coming to my mind.

• 5:08Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 5:09Speaker 05

  Like, I have this idea that Bo Burnham, like, came out of the womb, a prolific comedic genius. And I think I kind of fetishize the person who, yeah, like, didn't need any training, didn't need any help, and could just do it like that. Huzzah. And for some reason, I have this feeling that if I like,

• 5:29Speaker 05

  like, like, like, take a class in something, or like, have someone help me write something, or, yeah, just like having, I guess, institutional support to build the skills that I want to have, that it like, counts less. Or that's the idea that I had. And suddenly, I woke up this year and I was like, that's, was made up. Like, I think the coolest thing is, is to study.

• 5:52Speaker 04

  There's no such thing as a singular, effortless genius.

• 5:57Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 5:57Speaker 04

  And there's only like, really negative outcomes in pursuing trying to be one.

• 6:02Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 6:02Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 6:03Speaker 05

  Probably good that I let go of it.

• 6:04Speaker 04

  I get it though, because we all pursue it at one point and we all consider it. Because you see like, oh my god, this person like, they wrote this beautiful thing and performed in it and set designed it or whatever. Like, they did whatever, whatever, whatever. And it's like, that's fine.

• 6:17Speaker 05

  Like, they just knew how to do that.

• 6:19Speaker 04

  And they didn't.

• 6:19Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 6:20Speaker 04

  And they didn't. And by the way, a lot of times, even if those projects turn out great, it probably would have greatly improved if not.

• 6:28Speaker 05

  You're so right.

• 6:28Speaker 04

  If not only the project, definitely the experience for that person of just letting people in.

• 6:35Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 6:35Speaker 04

  You know?

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  I also realized a lot of training, especially in creative work. A lot of people have training like, early on in their life that's kind of obscured. Like, I'm thinking about, like, something I have a tip on my shoulder about is, I never really went to summer camp. I went to like, this weird government camp. That makes it sound worse than it was.

• 7:01Speaker 04

  I'll be asking about that.

• 7:04Speaker 04

  Don't know what that means. Really interested to find out.

• 7:07Speaker 05

  Okay, putting a pin in the government camp.

• 7:09Speaker 04

  Yeah, government camp, coming back.

• 7:11Speaker 05

  Coming back to the government camp. But like, there are all sorts of like arts camps and theater camps and like little programs that people do when they're young that I at least wasn't thinking of as their like official training. But I think it, it, it is real and it does matter. Or even just like, who is like encouraged to consume and make art as a kid? Like who has creative parents, who has creativity in their life when they're a kid? I don't know. I don't know.

• 7:36Speaker 04

  100%. That's a huge, I don't think people realize how, I didn't even consider that I could be a creative person or an artist until I was in my twenties. It was just never, I didn't grow up around artists. I didn't.

• 7:49Speaker 05

  Same. Wait, I didn't know this about you though. I'm surprised.

• 7:51Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah. I grew up in like working class, small town Missouri. Everyone was just like broke and working.

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  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 7:57Speaker 04

  Which is, I'm so grateful for it. Massively informs my perspective and I think it was a training of its own. But like, yeah, people who were told from like a very young age that they could perform.

• 8:06Speaker 05

  Yes.

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  You have no idea how valuable that is.

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  It's huge.

• 8:09Speaker 04

  Yeah. That is really helpful. And coming from money. I mean, but that's the often talked about thing. I just do think about it a lot. I'm like, you guys really, as much as, as much as some of these people think they know how much that helped them, I'm like, you really have no fucking clue. How hard it is to take any of these risks when

• 8:23Speaker 05

  Completely.

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  Nobody you know can help you if you fail.

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  Completely.

• 8:26Speaker 04

  Yeah. Government camp?

• 8:28Speaker 05

  Looking at a success story. Government camp. I think Mr. John F. Kennedy went there. So there was, I think, an A24 movie, Boy's State?

• 8:39Speaker 04

  Oh, I know Boy's State.

• 8:41Speaker 05

  I went to Girl's State.

• 8:42Speaker 04

  I went to Boy's State.

• 8:43Speaker 05

  You did?

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  For 12 hours.

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  You left?

• 8:47Speaker 04

  I hated it.

• 8:48Speaker 05

  I won.

• 8:49Speaker 04

  You won?

• 8:51Speaker 05

  You're looking at, well.

• 8:52Speaker 04

  I believe this.

• 8:53Speaker 05

  You're looking at Speaker of the House?

• 8:55Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 8:56Speaker 05

  And what's it called? Like, would you call Kamala Harris the runner up? To the presidency? Cause that's what I was at girl. Like I, basically I won my primary, but then my party lost for governor.

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  You lost an election.

• 9:18Speaker 05

  I can't, it's like I cannot say.

• 9:20Speaker 04

  This is what I'm talking about. This is a happy person in front of me. A happy person doesn't say they lost the election. They say they were runner up.

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  They got second place in the election where you can only get first place.

• 9:30Speaker 05

  You caught me on a good day.

• 9:34Speaker 05

  You caught me on a good.

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  Like, no, I wouldn't call Kamala the runner up, personally, but I love that mindset.

• 9:42Speaker 05

  The runner up.

• 9:45Speaker 05

  Oh, my gosh.

• 9:46Speaker 04

  Did you enjoy Girl State?

• 9:49Speaker 05

  Well.

• 9:51Speaker 04

  Or were you just good at it?

• 9:53Speaker 05

  You think I'm, you think I'm, you think I'm gonna spend a weekend with a thousand girls and not enjoy myself?

• 9:58Speaker 04

  Say that. Say that. Were you kissing?

• 10:01Speaker 05

  No.

• 10:02Speaker 04

  Nothing like that. Okay. I didn't know. I didn't know. I just check in on this stuff.

• 10:06Speaker 05

  Wait, you're at, at Girl State, you mean? Or in my life?

• 10:10Speaker 04

  I'm at, at Girl State.

• 10:11Speaker 05

  At Girl State.

• 10:12Speaker 04

  Just because you said a thousand girls and you were so happy, I thought maybe there was kissing.

• 10:15Speaker 05

  There were other, no, like the homoerotic girl situ, there were different homoerotic girl situations of my youth. Girl, girl, because, no, Girl State, and it's so funny because every freaking thing was made up. Like, it had no connection. Like, we didn't like, we didn't do like a volunteering day in the, like, it was entirely fiction, but we took it so seriously that you saying, where we, I'm like, I was at work.

• 10:43Speaker 04

  Yeah, why would I kiss at work?

• 10:44Speaker 05

  I was campaigning. Like, what are you talking about?

• 10:47Speaker 04

  We were creating laws about how to walk on the sidewalk.

• 10:48Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 10:49Speaker 04

  Yeah, I'm not kissing.

• 10:50Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 10:50Speaker 04

  I'm in Congress.

• 10:51Speaker 05

  Well, I think one of our, and there were, like, there were these weird conservative girls who.

• 10:56Speaker 04

  There always are.

• 10:58Speaker 05

  They wanted, they, they wanted to like further criminalize prostitution.

• 11:03Speaker 04

  Of course.

• 11:04Speaker 05

  And that's what we discussed for, for a week, just for fun?

• 11:07Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 11:09Speaker 05

  But what was it? Did I like Girl State? I don't know.

• 11:12Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 11:12Speaker 05

  I don't remember. No, I don't remember what the question was.

• 11:14Speaker 04

  If it was, if you liked Girl State, if you had fun, if you enjoyed it.

• 11:17Speaker 05

  Oh, yes. And I also, like, I prob, uh, I, you know what?

• 11:30Speaker 05

  I was a little bit in my like Olivia Pope bag. Like I was, cause when you're campaigning.

• 11:44Speaker 05

  I was, I was using facts, but I was molding facts about my life to make my constituents feel a certain way. And I was getting like totally high off of that feeling.

• 11:58Speaker 04

  Yeah. I would refer to, I relate to this more than you know, because I would refer to the years like 14 through 19 of my life. As the campaign. I was on the campaign trail that whole time.

• 12:13Speaker 05

  Oh my God. Wait, but I think I know this about you.

• 12:16Speaker 04

  Oh, I was campaigning.

• 12:17Speaker 05

  Because you were.

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  And I was never the runner up. I won.

• 12:26Speaker 04

  I won, but I didn't win at Boise State. I'm really, really.

• 12:30Speaker 05

  Wait, you literally, you packed your bags and you went home?

• 12:32Speaker 04

  Which is why I'm so impressed with you that you stayed and like rocked it out because I got there, I got there, I went to one like assembly of it. And I immediately called my mom and was like, tell them grandma got in a car crash. I need to come home.

• 12:43Speaker 05

  What? What was so scary about it?

• 12:45Speaker 04

  It wasn't scary. I hated it. I hated the guys. I hated the leaders. I hated, they had like an attorney general from the state that was like a Republican come and speak to us on opening ceremony. And I was like, fuck this noise. I'm fucking out of here. I peace out of it. And so my counselor comes and he goes, hi, can we talk to you for a moment? I go, yeah. He goes, so your mom called and told us that your grandma had an accident.

• 13:10Speaker 04

  And this is exact tone.

• 13:11Speaker 05

  Oh my God. All love to your mom. I'm like, why didn't she sell it?

• 13:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, she didn't. She did not. And, and I had driven myself there, uh, cause I was, you know, 16, 17, had a driver's license. And, um, my dad worked at the college actually where they hosted it. And I was like, I was like, yeah, I gotta, I gotta go. Sorry. It's all for grandma, you know? And he was like, yeah, don't you think your grandma would want you to, it sounds like she's gonna be fine. Don't you think she'd want you to like stay and honor your commitment? And I was like, no.

• 13:38Speaker 05

  Commitment to what?

• 13:39Speaker 04

  Commitment to what? I mean, these people are insane.

• 13:41Speaker 05

  It is insane.

• 13:42Speaker 04

  Boy State is one of the most psychopathic. They recently hit me up through a mutual friend and was like, would Caleb come and speak at Boy State?

• 13:48Speaker 05

  Oh, my gosh. But maybe do. Maybe do so you can twist their minds in the right way.

• 13:53Speaker 04

  I mean, horrible. And I went, I left, I packed my stuff, I got in my car.

• 13:58Speaker 05

  The one little gay guy who's part of it?

• 14:00Speaker 04

  I was the one little gay guy.

• 14:01Speaker 05

  Yeah, but there's gonna be another one.

• 14:03Speaker 04

  I needed to go back. No, I don't want him to, I want him to find me in another way. I talk every week for an hour. Find me on So True, brother.

• 14:09Speaker 05

  Fair, fair, fair, fair, fair.

• 14:10Speaker 04

  I went and had lunch with my dad.

• 14:11Speaker 05

  Come to the socials.

• 14:12Speaker 04

  I went and had lunch with my dad because he lived in that town. And he, when we were at lunch, he goes, so you, you left Boy State already, huh? I go, yeah. He goes, I can't believe you were doing that dork shit. He was, he was like, I just, I, when you told me you were gonna do it, I was like, he's so much cooler than that. And I was like, king.

• 14:29Speaker 05

  That's cool. So you became cool quickly.

• 14:33Speaker 04

  No, I was still not cool, but I was not going to spend even an hour doing something I didn't want to do.

• 14:39Speaker 05

  That's cool.

• 14:39Speaker 04

  And I would say that has, that has stuck.

• 14:45Speaker 04

  I would say that's held.

• 14:46Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. That is really cool. That's something I'm learning. No, like, they're totally incriminating photos of me, like, kissing the American flag and like, giving a campaign speech in like ASL, like, it's like totally like sinister. Well, no, that's the issue.

• 15:06Speaker 04

  Oh, so you were doing fake sign language in your campaign speech?

• 15:09Speaker 05

  No, it was just like, I studied that speech in sign language.

• 15:12Speaker 04

  Oh, that's actually really cool.

• 15:14Speaker 05

  Do you see what I'm saying? I was in my bag.

• 15:16Speaker 04

  I think that's, I think that's very accessible and cool of you, actually.

• 15:19Speaker 05

  Thanks.

• 15:20Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 15:21Speaker 05

  Because I watched Switch at Birth on Freeform, formerly known as ABC Family.

• 15:25Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah. Shout out to Freeform. God love them.

• 15:28Speaker 05

  If they want to put me in a show, I'll be in the show. A.

• 15:35Speaker 04

  What else is going on with you? Do you think you're an intimidating person? Like, do you think people are intimidated by you?

• 15:40Speaker 05

  Caleb?

• 15:41Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 15:41Speaker 05

  Are you saying that because I'm black?

• 15:43Speaker 04

  No.

• 15:44Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 15:44Speaker 04

  No, none at all.

• 15:45Speaker 05

  I'm sorry I said that. Yeah, I didn't, I, yeah, my heart wasn't in it. My heart wasn't in it.

• 15:49Speaker 04

  I was not willing to have the conversation.

• 15:50Speaker 05

  My heart wasn't in it. I didn't, that accusation wasn't real. But why do you ask me that? Do you think I'm intimidating?

• 15:55Speaker 04

  No, I don't, but I think I could see if somebody, you said something, you, you turned, first of all, you're very cool. I think you're very cool and very smart and very funny.

• 16:04Speaker 05

  Thank you so much for saying that.

• 16:07Speaker 04

  You know that. And I really think highly of you and I believe in you and I think you're fantastic. So that, but that intimidates people, I think. Coolness especially intimidates people.

• 16:17Speaker 05

  Whoa.

• 16:18Speaker 04

  And I think you're very cool. And there was something you said a couple of minutes ago where we were in conversation and you were like, you're like, uh, what was the question? I forgot it. And you said it in a way that I was like, that doesn't bother me, but I know people that that would unravel for months.

• 16:33Speaker 05

  Why?

• 16:34Speaker 04

  Just because you were like so confident and like, I don't know, there was just something about the way you turned that phrase that I was like, I could, I know people who would get really undone by that.

• 16:43Speaker 05

  I like read myself so differently than other people read me. Cause when I said that, I was, I, I think I have an underdog complex where even in that moment, I was like, oh, fuck, I'm being such a loser. Like, I came all the way to be on Caleb's podcast. He asked me a simple question and I can't even freaking remember. Like, this is so embarrassing. I, I wasn't thinking of that as like my cool swag, like, what the hell did you ask me? I didn't even listen.

• 17:08Speaker 04

  And I didn't think you were. That's the thing I'm saying, but, but do you, do you ever, do you ever get feedback that people think you're intimidating?

• 17:15Speaker 05

  I, it's interesting because, ugh, I think kind of yes. I think throughout my life.

• 17:25Speaker 05

  Yes. It's difficult because, well, uh, it's a little bit like the thing where I always have this race card that I can pop out of my back pocket.

• 17:39Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 17:39Speaker 05

  And it's kind of like when I have a fight with my friend group, I can't quite tell, like, are these people racist? Or am I uniquely just being a total fucking bitch?

• 17:54Speaker 05

  We'll never know. We'll never get to the bottom of it.

• 17:57Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 17:59Speaker 05

  So I'm thinking like really in elementary school, that was feedback that I would get that I was like intimidating or like scaring people, but it's tough because yeah, how much of that is my personality? And how much of that is? People kind of slotting me into a narrative that they're all ready, ready to put me into. But I mean, it sounds like what you're saying is it's like 99% personality and vibe.

• 18:23Speaker 04

  Well, no, I'm asking because I feel, I don't feel, I don't feel that I am cool in a technical definition of the word. But I get feedback a lot that I'm intimidating and I find it very confusing because I think I'm warm and inviting.

• 18:37Speaker 05

  We might relate because yeah, you're someone who, yeah, like if I, if I write out the facts on paper, if I were to describe you, super warm and super inviting, well, except, uh oh, are we gonna go here? When the first couple of times we met, I was like, so that guy wants me dead.

• 18:55Speaker 04

  Really?

• 18:56Speaker 05

  Not even wants me dead because first you'd have to, first you'd have to care.

• 19:02Speaker 04

  Oh, I liked you so much when I met you.

• 19:04Speaker 05

  Really?

• 19:05Speaker 04

  I thought you were so great.

• 19:05Speaker 05

  Wow.

• 19:06Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 19:07Speaker 05

  In Chicago? Wow.

• 19:09Speaker 04

  I thought you were great.

• 19:10Speaker 05

  Oh, man. See, I'm sorry. I read you with such malice. It's not nice.

• 19:14Speaker 04

  That's so funny. No, but people do.

• 19:16Speaker 05

  But why would you care? Like I was just Leva's friend.

• 19:18Speaker 04

  I thought you were cool. I was like, this, she's, she's a, she's a good sweet girl.

• 19:21Speaker 05

  Interesting.

• 19:22Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 19:24Speaker 05

  So then maybe we have the same syndrome where I'm sure you were like totally friendly to me. But yeah, I was just like, oh my gosh, like Leva's friend, like he's older, he's so cool. He knows film. He's got me. He's real.

• 19:36Speaker 04

  Well, also Leva loving you was more than enough for me to love you. I'm like, if Leva loves you, I love you. Like until you give me a reason not to.

• 19:44Speaker 05

  Gift from Leva.

• 19:45Speaker 04

  You know, but I think, yeah, I, the reason I ask is because I find you to be so, I find you to be very warm and inviting and, and fun and not hard to talk to at all. But then I was thinking like, oh, I kind of think that of myself too. And I get this feedback a lot. So I wondered.

• 19:59Speaker 05

  Can the listeners, what, on the Patreon, on the Substack, can they please weigh in about if I'm intimidating?

• 20:05Speaker 04

  Substack commenters.

• 20:07Speaker 05

  Will they feel safe to say?

• 20:08Speaker 04

  Even though Joe has explicitly said it might be racism, go ahead and let us know. You would be intimidated by Joe.

• 20:20Speaker 05

  We can strike that from the record, like, seriously? What's it called politically when you, like, you get a pass? Is that amnesty?

• 20:28Speaker 04

  Uh, oh, for this instance, you're gonna give them a pass on worrying about if it's...

• 20:31Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 20:33Speaker 04

  No, but I know what you mean. I've told a lot of people this about their...

• 20:35Speaker 05

  I'm giving out pardons.

• 20:37Speaker 04

  Pardon, pardon.

• 20:38Speaker 05

  Pardon, pardon. Runner-up, I'm giving you a pardon.

• 20:41Speaker 04

  I've told a lot of people this about, a lot of white comics specifically, this about their intimidation, their feeling of intimidation from Z Way. That I'm like, I really feel that you are intimidated by Z Way. Yes, the format of her show is inherently confrontational.

• 20:54Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 20:54Speaker 04

  And so you might, in a, in the biggest way, you might show a problem with confrontation and being wrong, and being so scared of being wrong. But I think in a more specific and nuanced way, you specifically fear that you are not allowed to disagree with a black woman. And that specifically feels like a type of, like, uh, paternalistic misogynoir that's like, it's a different kind of, like, pedestal placing racism and misogyny. So I know, I know what you mean. I was about to say, I know exactly what you mean. I probably can't know exactly. But I know what you mean by, is it just who I am, or am I doing something?

• 21:29Speaker 05

  Yeah, I mean, to be honest, this, it's, I feel like this is totally cathartic to talk about. This is something that I'm, like, so sensitive about.

• 21:38Speaker 04

  Like, in, in general, or lately?

• 21:42Speaker 05

  Well, kind of lately.

• 21:44Speaker 04

  Like a season, it's a season that's really flaring up right now?

• 21:47Speaker 05

  Like, anytime I have conflict with a friend, or with someone I care about, I'm really, and I think I might be making it up a bit, probably. But I'm, I'm, I'm really afraid that people would be afraid to come to me. Well, and it's tough because I'm also, like, I'm quite sensitive and I'm quite reactive. And so I think those things don't mix well. If someone, like, is sensitive and reactive and is intimidating, I'm like, that equals abuser. Like, uh-oh. I don't want to be that.

• 22:24Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's interesting. I don't know. The intimidating thing is so, uh, yeah, the intimidating thing is so interesting to me. And I think it's mostly because I don't find... I'm like trying to think of someone I find intimidating. I don't really feel that. That's not something that I feel. Chance, is there someone I find intimidating?

• 22:46Speaker 05

  We're so similar, Caleb. I'm not, I'm awesome.

• 22:51Speaker 04

  But who do you find intimidated, who are you intimidated by?

• 22:53Speaker 05

  The thing is, like, because I think, like, I guess I'm thinking about celebrity culture. Like, ah, like, ah, this is when I get into, like, um, this is when I feel like a 2000s reality TV character where I'm like, I'm not intimidated by anyone. Which of these bitches would intimidate me?

• 23:19Speaker 05

  Like, who is there to scare me? But I think other people don't feel that way.

• 23:23Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think for me, it's just like, I don't know, everybody, I don't know, everybody has like insecurities and fears and is bringing their own shit to every situation in a way that I'm like.

• 23:35Speaker 05

  Yeah, I'm intimidated by, like,

• 23:41Speaker 05

  my legit friends, I think.

• 23:43Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 23:44Speaker 05

  Maybe not intimidated by, but like,

• 23:48Speaker 05

  like, I'm definitely not intimidated by strain. I don't think I'm intimidated. I don't know what I'm saying.

• 23:54Speaker 04

  I think the, I know what you mean. I think the closest I get to being intimidated is when I'm around people who do like objectively good selfless work for like a living. Like when I'm around like tenant organizers or like nurses or like somebody who.

• 24:14Speaker 05

  You feel intimidated, like they're gonna hit you or something?

• 24:16Speaker 04

  Not like, no, not like these, I don't know if you've been around, uh, union organizers, but I'm not worried about any of these leftists hitting me, I can tell you that. If the right wing has anything going for them, it's that none of these people can pack a punch.

• 24:31Speaker 05

  Some guns, uh-huh, yeah.

• 24:33Speaker 04

  No, I just, I feel, um, I feel.

• 24:36Speaker 05

  And we should, by the way.

• 24:38Speaker 04

  I feel silly sometimes that I'm like, oh, my little clown show that I do.

• 24:42Speaker 05

  For sure, for sure. But is that intimidation?

• 24:46Speaker 04

  I don't know.

• 24:46Speaker 05

  I think it's tough. Like, I don't know, now I'm, I'm lost. Like, I don't know what the definition of intimidation, like, I feel like there's, there.

• 24:54Speaker 05

  But to me, when you say intimidated, I think it like, yeah, it's something about a fear that that person could like, even if emotionally like hurt me.

• 25:03Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 25:03Speaker 05

  That they could like attack me or take. Oh, okay, okay. Yeah, that maybe they would like really write a poem that ends you.

• 25:11Speaker 04

  Well, or like, I don't know, that they would like do, I think the, I think intimidation to me, the way that I conceptualize it in my brain is like, oh, if I give that person a chance, or if I mess up around them, they will, uh, maybe not even they will. They have the ability to undo me. They have the ability to spin me out, make me think differently of myself, ruin my day.

• 25:33Speaker 05

  I'm seeing a face. Totally.

• 25:35Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 25:35Speaker 05

  Yeah, I won't say.

• 25:36Speaker 04

  Yeah, of course. Of course. No, we would never give them that power in public. You can tell me later.

• 25:40Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 25:42Speaker 04

  I also want to say to the listeners of the show, we say you can tell me later on this show, like three times an episode, and I would say we never end up, I never end up actually following, because I forget and we never, so I actually don't feel bad.

• 25:54Speaker 05

  You should publish it as a book.

• 25:56Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 25:57Speaker 05

  Like an index of like all the you can tell me laters.

• 25:59Speaker 04

  I have told.

• 25:59Speaker 05

  Because at that point, it's like, the person's not gonna go find the book and buy the book and read it.

• 26:04Speaker 04

  Yeah. I have told Chance that if I were to die before him, um, if I were to die ever, that he is, he's allowed to release like everything we've ever cut from this show.

• 26:17Speaker 05

  Wow.

• 26:19Speaker 04

  For, of me, of my talking, because we cut things, you know, sometimes that I'm like, oh, that would come off insensitive, or I shouldn't have said that, or whatever. Or like, since we've recorded that, something has happened in the world that makes that something I actually don't want to say. I have, I've given Chance permission when I die to.

• 26:32Speaker 05

  Caleb.

• 26:32Speaker 04

  If he outlives me, yeah.

• 26:33Speaker 05

  How do you wish to be remembered in death?

• 26:37Speaker 04

  You delivering this to me, laying on that chair like that.

• 26:42Speaker 05

  Suddenly I've gotten so comfortable.

• 26:44Speaker 04

  I love that you're comfy in here. It means the world to me.

• 26:46Speaker 05

  Four hours, right? Okay, let me know.

• 26:48Speaker 04

  I do wonder if you'll be in frame on your camera at all, and it's not something I'm worried about.

• 26:51Speaker 05

  Well.

• 26:53Speaker 04

  If it's just your feet, it's really funny, actually. Like, a good portion of the podcast is just your feet with a shelf in the background.

• 26:59Speaker 05

  I'll get up in it. I mean, it's, maybe it's like I need to play Hard to Get with Hollywood, like.

• 27:03Speaker 04

  Yeah. Oh, I'm just like, maybe you could cast me, but you'll have to start from the feet.

• 27:09Speaker 05

  Maybe they want to see the bod, maybe they want to see the outfit. I was worried that my full outfit wouldn't show.

• 27:18Speaker 04

  When you have really cute shoes on today, but they're not on your feet at the moment.

• 27:20Speaker 05

  You're so right, guys.

• 27:23Speaker 04

  Put them up. Paws up.

• 27:26Speaker 05

  These are vintage.

• 27:29Speaker 05

  I love them because they're like a Mary Jane, but there's like something serious happening with the soul. Great shoe. That's, that's all, that's what I have to say.

• 27:38Speaker 04

  How do you want to be remembered?

• 27:44Speaker 05

  Ah, like not, not, nothing interesting, just the classic, like, I really want to make a splash.

• 27:49Speaker 04

  Yeah?

• 27:50Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 27:50Speaker 04

  How so? In death or like, what, what does that mean?

• 27:53Speaker 05

  Like, I really want, I, oh God, it's so, I really want it to be like, I need there to be something, like some genre or some art form that is like

• 28:08Speaker 05

  paradigmatically changed.

• 28:10Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 28:11Speaker 05

  Because, oh my God, my delusions of grandeur, but really like, the, like, stand up was never the same because of Joe Sunday.

• 28:18Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 28:19Speaker 05

  Film was never the same because of Joe Sunday.

• 28:21Speaker 04

  I like that.

• 28:22Speaker 05

  Crazy for someone to say that who has a five to six minutes.

• 28:30Speaker 04

  Well, it's audacity and it's needed, by the way. It's audacity and it's needed.

• 28:36Speaker 05

  But that's my point.

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• 31:26Speaker 04

  I like that.

• 31:28Speaker 05

  But you didn't answer, how do you wish to be remembered? Cause maybe it was like totally heavy and like crazy me to ask you that.

• 31:33Speaker 04

  No, not totally heavy. I like that. This, I like any question on this show. It's what we do on here. We go back and forth. How do I want to be remembered? I actually was thinking about this recently. I was like free writing and this kind of, well, it came up because right wing conservative guys are really obsessed with the idea of legacy. That they'll be like, they'll be like, you're leaving behind no children and no wife. You'll have no legacy. And I find it so funny because I'm like, you guys, when you die, your children will actually, they will come to know your true legacy, which is that you were hateful and you joyfully participated in the destruction of other people's families. They will hate you in your death.

• 32:06Speaker 05

  Get them.

• 32:06Speaker 04

  And they'll spend the money that you leave them, which might end up being the only positive contribution you make to anyone's lives. They'll spend it on things you would have hated and I find great, great joy in that. But my like, what I want to be remembered for, um, I would just like, I really would just like people to say, he, he tried hard and he had a good time. That's like it. I just.

• 32:26Speaker 05

  Really?

• 32:27Speaker 04

  Yeah. I don't, that's really all.

• 32:28Speaker 05

  Oh my gosh, you really are a good person.

• 32:34Speaker 05

  Oh my God, now I sound like a megalomaniac.

• 32:39Speaker 04

  I wouldn't be mad if yours happened for me.

• 32:40Speaker 05

  I have to be Beethoven or else.

• 32:48Speaker 05

  He tried hard and he had a good time. That is so nice. Well, obviously it's going to be that.

• 32:53Speaker 04

  I want that. I think that'd be nice. I'm not mad if things are massively shifted. I don't, I don't, I don't not suspect that it'll be more than that, but I'm like, I would be happy with that. If they're like, he really tried hard to be a good person, to make good things. He tried hard across the board to be a good friend, to be present. And he had a good time. Like he really had fun. I think that would be enough for me.

• 33:14Speaker 05

  That's cool.

• 33:15Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 33:16Speaker 05

  I, so it doesn't resonate with me, the idea of having legacy through your children. I'm like, those people have nothing to do with me.

• 33:24Speaker 04

  Yeah. Yeah. Those people aren't really my business.

• 33:29Speaker 05

  Literally, literally.

• 33:30Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 33:32Speaker 04

  I want children, so I, but I don't, I don't want my children to be my legacy.

• 33:36Speaker 05

  Yeah, I, I feel the same way. I've, I was pretty iffy about children until pretty much last week. When I went to my friend Toshi's house, Toshi has two beautiful lesbian moms who have a beautiful home full of happy children. And that seems like such a fantasy to just have like a happy life with a bunch of people around. But still, like what those people do is none of my, is none of my business. I don't get it.

• 34:03Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 34:04Speaker 05

  Well.

• 34:05Speaker 04

  Yeah. What do you, okay, so you've made a couple of jokes about getting cast. You've mentioned that you want your legacy to be that like,

• 34:13Speaker 05

  Oh my god.

• 34:13Speaker 04

  Industries are shifted entirely.

• 34:15Speaker 05

  I seem so desperate in every way.

• 34:18Speaker 04

  No, you don't. But I'm genuinely curious what you want. Like, what, what, what would you like out of? Like, why are you doing all this? What do you want? Do you want to be, do you want to be acting more? Do you wanna? Do you, like, what is, what is the idea?

• 34:30Speaker 05

  Hmm, I do. I want to be doing everything more. I do want to be acting more and writing more. Um, I think, gosh, and this is so annoying too, but I think, I feel like I have stuff to say. And probably like growing up or probably for most of my life. I didn't think that, um, anyone would care about what I had to say or that I would get the chance to say it. And now that I feel, now that I just know it's a possibility, I'm like so desperate about it. But also, I think it's like, I, I, it's not even that I know like what my message is that I want to get out into the world.

• 35:11Speaker 05

  But I do feel really hungry to dig in, like find out

• 35:20Speaker 05

  my ideas.

• 35:21Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 35:22Speaker 05

  That I, that I want to put on the airwaves.

• 35:24Speaker 04

  Yeah. Send out onto the airwaves. That I want to send out frequencies on the airwaves. I like that.

• 35:33Speaker 05

  And I want to be dressed by Miu Miu.

• 35:35Speaker 04

  That's huge.

• 35:36Speaker 05

  Thank you.

• 35:37Speaker 04

  They do the little tiny skirts. I don't know a ton about fashion, but I know that.

• 35:41Speaker 05

  You know, you really do.

• 35:43Speaker 04

  I don't know a ton about fashion, but I know that.

• 35:44Speaker 05

  Ah, yeah.

• 35:45Speaker 04

  Little tiny skirts.

• 35:46Speaker 05

  Eeety bitty skirt.

• 35:48Speaker 04

  I like that.

• 35:49Speaker 05

  Why, thank you.

• 35:50Speaker 04

  I have a question for you. It's a big question of the show. What's so true to you?

• 35:55Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 35:56Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 35:57Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 35:57Speaker 04

  Wait.

• 35:59Speaker 05

  Here we go. Let's dig in.

• 36:00Speaker 04

  Here we go.

• 36:02Speaker 05

  I think

• 36:05Speaker 05

  the Gen Z millennial beef is one-sided.

• 36:09Speaker 04

  Between who and whom?

• 36:11Speaker 05

  I think that millennials have a chip on their shoulder about Gen Z. I think that millennials feel that Gen Z has a disdain for them that's not rooted in reality.

• 36:23Speaker 04

  Yeah, okay.

• 36:24Speaker 05

  I feel like millennials have this feeling that Gen Z were like, and it's all because the TikTokers got on to the business about the skinny jeans. Who cares if you guys wear skinny jeans? But I think that millennials feel like Gen Z people look at them and we're like, ew, you're old and you're ugly and you pause. Ha, ha, ha, loser. You can't hang out with us. But I feel like Gen Z, we don't really have a strong cultural identity as a generation. Like, what is Gen Z? I feel like it's like totally question mark, other than like pressing on phone. I think all we have is our nostalgia and references. And we're like, Y2K is so cool. Nineties are so cool. Eighties, seventies.

• 37:08Speaker 05

  And so I think when we see anyone older than us, we're like, oh, my gosh, you're like, you're vintage. Like, you're Y2K.

• 37:20Speaker 04

  You're like, throwback vibes. You're like vintage to me.

• 37:24Speaker 05

  Literally, like, you, like, oh, like, you, like, like my Pinterest.

• 37:27Speaker 04

  Some of the old people who listen to the show are not gonna like that.

• 37:29Speaker 05

  No, no, you guys, I'm trying to appeal to you. I'm trying to become your friend. Because I think, because I think you're cool. And by the way, I want to, like, F U C K you, like, ah, well, this is part of it, is that I'm, is there a word for people who are attracted to old people?

• 37:43Speaker 04

  Lesbians.

• 37:48Speaker 05

  Thank you.

• 37:49Speaker 04

  Yeah, lesbians.

• 37:50Speaker 05

  I'm that.

• 37:53Speaker 05

  Yeah, like, we, we, we, we look at you with, um, maybe not reverence, but with more positive affect than you think. Where is this idea of coming from that millennials just really like, it's like, sure, you're jealous because we're like tiny, like, we're, we're young and we're cute. No, no, no.

• 38:10Speaker 04

  We're tiny. I'm dead.

• 38:14Speaker 05

  I have a group of free rights. I beg, I beg, I beg. I didn't mean to say that, but we're, okay, we're tiny of brain and we're tiny of age.

• 38:20Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 38:24Speaker 05

  I think millennials are cool.

• 38:25Speaker 04

  Yeah. I think you're right, though.

• 38:27Speaker 05

  It's like, because I want to date someone older.

• 38:29Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 38:29Speaker 05

  I'm like, I'm going to podcast today.

• 38:30Speaker 04

  For sure.

• 38:31Speaker 05

  I think millennials, but I do.

• 38:33Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think you're right. I think that both sides are correct. I think, like, older people are always going to be a little confused by and annoyed by younger people. They're mostly correct, I feel like younger, like, 22-year-olds are, by and large, pretty fucking annoying. And so, but that's-

• 38:50Speaker 05

  But don't you think we know? Don't you think we agree?

• 38:52Speaker 04

  100%, but that's what I'm saying is those people were also annoying when they were 22. I was annoying when I was 22. I'm still annoying. I bet a 45-year-old hears me talk sometimes and is like, God, I can't wait for you to get over that. And they're right, you know, like, that's the thing is you, you, with the benefit of wisdom, you look back on the absence of wisdom and see it as what it is, which is lacking wisdom and annoying.

• 39:12Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 39:12Speaker 04

  And also, younger people don't think much about older people because younger people pretty much only think about themselves.

• 39:17Speaker 05

  But why do older people feel like younger people don't like them? That's my, that's what I take issue with.

• 39:23Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's a really good question.

• 39:24Speaker 05

  I think we like you guys.

• 39:26Speaker 04

  You guys.

• 39:29Speaker 04

  You guys, um, right.

• 39:33Speaker 05

  Sorry, um.

• 39:34Speaker 04

  Right.

• 39:35Speaker 05

  If there were a millennial in-

• 39:37Speaker 04

  If there were an older person in the room.

• 39:40Speaker 04

  No, it's funny. I actually, I really don't know. And I don't have, uh, any genuine hangups about age. People think I do because I joke about it a lot. I really, I really don't. I feel-

• 39:51Speaker 05

  That's why I feel safe to talk to you about it.

• 39:52Speaker 04

  I'm a safe older person to you.

• 39:55Speaker 05

  Mandatory reporter.

• 39:56Speaker 04

  I'm a self, I'm a safe, older person to you, and that means the world to me. How old are you? I forget.

• 40:03Speaker 04

  You're 24.

• 40:03Speaker 05

  13.

• 40:04Speaker 04

  You're 25.

• 40:05Speaker 05

  14.

• 40:06Speaker 04

  You're 14 going on 25.

• 40:08Speaker 05

  14 going on 13.

• 40:09Speaker 04

  14. Actually, having a 14 year old on the podcast would be kind of chic. It'd be interesting to hear their ideas. I should talk to a younger person. We've had some older people on the show.

• 40:19Speaker 05

  And you know what? I can already feel that I'm doing the thing that I was talking about because you're talking about having someone younger than me. I'm like, yeah.

• 40:29Speaker 04

  That was supposed to be me.

• 40:31Speaker 05

  That might, that might be nice to get kind of like a fresh voice around here.

• 40:36Speaker 04

  That's so funny. Do you have any, do you have any regrets? Let's just get into it.

• 40:45Speaker 04

  I don't know what kind of mood I'm in today, but fuck it. Do you have any regrets?

• 40:49Speaker 05

  Yeah, I mean, first of all, like the part where I got a wonderful opportunity and I put my feet in the camera.

• 40:55Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 40:56Speaker 05

  The part where I called you racist. I called your listeners racist for sure.

• 41:03Speaker 04

  There's a lot of listeners to the show. Probably at least a couple of them are racist. I bet, I bet you got at least a couple of people in that.

• 41:09Speaker 05

  Oh, right, right. Just throw out the, that's what I love about the race car. Like you're gonna hit somebody.

• 41:14Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 41:19Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 41:20Speaker 05

  Yeah, I have a lot of regrets. I wish I could go back and change a lot of the decisions I've made and a lot of the ways I've acted in my life. But it's also tough because

• 41:34Speaker 05

  I also have such a beautiful and fabulous life.

• 41:36Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 41:37Speaker 05

  That's filled with a lot of love. And so it's scary to think

• 41:42Speaker 05

  that any, that even things I do regret could have led me to a different path.

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• 42:18Speaker 01

  Ugh, I hate Mondays.

• 42:19Speaker 02

  King's wine cinnamon swirl bite?

• 42:21Speaker 01

  Taylor Hanson? Sure, I'll try one. Mmm.

• 42:27Speaker 03

  Hey, let's get back to work, please.

• 42:28Speaker 01

  But Taylor Hanson's making my day way better with these new soft and swirly King's Hawaiian cinnamon bites.

• 42:33Speaker 03

  Taylor Hanson? Nice.

• 42:35Speaker 04

  Try one.

• 42:36Speaker 03

  Mmm.

• 42:40Speaker 01

  King's Hawaiian cinnamon bites. There's nothing like it.

• 42:48Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 42:49Speaker 05

  You know I was supposed to start med school this year?

• 42:51Speaker 04

  I do know that about you.

• 42:52Speaker 05

  So like, Jesus, what a whore.

• 42:55Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 42:55Speaker 05

  That would have been.

• 42:56Speaker 04

  That's not you, in my opinion. That's not this timeline you. I was supposed to be a lawyer.

• 43:02Speaker 05

  What?

• 43:03Speaker 04

  You a doctor, me a lawyer? A power couple for sure, but...

• 43:07Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah, that's where we started.

• 43:08Speaker 04

  It's just not what we wanted.

• 43:09Speaker 05

  I do think we could be a couple. Do you think that you could, like, have a beard and sell it?

• 43:15Speaker 04

  Sell it?

• 43:19Speaker 05

  Oh, but I guess that's what you did in your youth, right?

• 43:22Speaker 04

  Yeah, I don't know that I was, I don't know that I was selling it. Oh, yeah, my youth. I don't know that I was selling it. I don't know that I was ever selling straight. I don't know that anyone ever really bought it.

• 43:31Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 43:32Speaker 04

  I think everyone was just politely... It's kind of like when you, it's kind of like when someone super, super Christian is around, a bunch of like atheists, but they're cool mostly.

• 43:42Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 43:43Speaker 04

  And you just kind of tolerate the delusion because you like them. That's how people were treating my straightness, I think. They're like, he's mostly cool. Sure, he's straight.

• 43:51Speaker 05

  Okay, okay.

• 43:52Speaker 04

  Sure, sure, sure, sure, sure.

• 43:53Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 43:53Speaker 04

  You know, tolerating that.

• 43:54Speaker 05

  That's pretty kind. Sure, sure, sure, sure.

• 43:56Speaker 04

  But no, I don't think I was ever selling it.

• 43:57Speaker 05

  I'm the friend who's kind of Christian.

• 43:58Speaker 04

  No, super. I'm saying like super duper. I have plenty of friends that are kind of Christian.

• 44:01Speaker 05

  Oh, okay.

• 44:03Speaker 04

  Super.

• 44:03Speaker 05

  Like dead ass.

• 44:04Speaker 04

  Like, no, like being crazy about it.

• 44:06Speaker 05

  There's no, like, gray area, like, not like spiritual, but like Christian capital C.

• 44:10Speaker 04

  Like, everyone who's not Christian burns in hell, kind of Christians.

• 44:16Speaker 04

  Chic.

• 44:18Speaker 04

  Chic.

• 44:19Speaker 05

  I was debating wearing it, but I didn't want to turn your viewers away.

• 44:23Speaker 04

  You wouldn't. I have a lot of Christian viewers. My question for you is this, when I say super Christian, I mean, do you think undeniably with certainty?

• 44:29Speaker 05

  Oh, I know what you're gonna say.

• 44:30Speaker 04

  That people of every other faith go to hell?

• 44:32Speaker 05

  Yeah, no, no, no, no.

• 44:33Speaker 04

  See, that's what I'm talking about.

• 44:33Speaker 05

  I kind of don't even believe in hell, but we don't have time.

• 44:36Speaker 04

  That's the line in the sand for me. You cannot believe that every other faith goes to hell.

• 44:40Speaker 05

  That's crazy.

• 44:41Speaker 04

  And if you do, it's all my love, but you're in a cult.

• 44:44Speaker 05

  Bollywood or whatever the word is.

• 44:46Speaker 04

  I have a problem with Christianity. I like Christianity. I myself might even come back to it someday. I am just saying, to me, the big line in the sand is like, I also don't believe in hell. The big line in the sand is if you, if anybody of any faith believes genuinely in their heart that they are 100% correct and everyone else burns in hell for eternity.

• 45:02Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 45:03Speaker 04

  You're brainwashed and I can't be a part of it.

• 45:05Speaker 05

  Totally nuts, like, of course.

• 45:06Speaker 04

  That's crazy.

• 45:07Speaker 05

  Of course. Do you have?

• 45:09Speaker 04

  Do I have a faith?

• 45:09Speaker 05

  Regrets.

• 45:10Speaker 04

  Regrets. You're not gonna like my answer.

• 45:13Speaker 05

  No.

• 45:13Speaker 04

  I don't.

• 45:14Speaker 05

  But that's cool because that gives me hope.

• 45:17Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 45:17Speaker 05

  Did, did you have regrets?

• 45:22Speaker 05

  I tried to say something nice to you people.

• 45:26Speaker 04

  No, I'm kidding. I love it. I love it.

• 45:32Speaker 05

  Was there a time that you had regrets?

• 45:35Speaker 05

  That you learned to let go of, or you've never had regrets all along?

• 45:39Speaker 04

  I think, it's not to say I've never done anything incorrectly or badly. I certainly regret that. I, I, I dislike that behaviors of mine have caused undesirable outcomes. But I don't regret anything because I haven't, I haven't majorly wronged anybody in my life. I haven't hurt anybody. I haven't ruined anyone's life. Not everyone can say that. So I wouldn't, I'm not, I don't think it's correct to have no regrets. I'm lucky to have.

• 46:08Speaker 05

  After we record, can you please tell me who you're thinking of when you say that someone has ruined someone's life?

• 46:13Speaker 04

  Yeah, I can. Um, but no, I don't have any regrets. I feel like everything, like it would be easy to look back and be like, oh man, I wish I would have like started comedy sooner or like not taken, uh, you know, school so seriously when I was 20. But I really don't feel that way. I think it taught me work ethic.

• 46:30Speaker 05

  It really made you who you are today.

• 46:32Speaker 04

  Yeah, everything's great. I like my life. I think if you, if you really genuinely present day enjoy your life,

• 46:37Speaker 05

  That's the tough thing is that most days I don't and I'm in so much pain. It's unimaginable.

• 46:43Speaker 04

  Is that true?

• 46:44Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 46:44Speaker 04

  I'm not really sure how to engage with that, to be honest. Because that was such an earnest and intense thing to say.

• 46:49Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah, sorry.

• 46:50Speaker 04

  What kind?

• 46:51Speaker 05

  But it's okay.

• 46:51Speaker 04

  No, I'm not upset with it. I like that you said that.

• 46:53Speaker 05

  What kind of pain? Mental, emotional?

• 46:55Speaker 04

  Yeah, mental, emotional pain.

• 46:56Speaker 05

  I'm kind of surprised and relieved that you don't know this about me. I'm in anguish.

• 46:59Speaker 04

  Yeah. Well, is it like, what are we doing about it? Is there medication involved? Is there therapy?

• 47:07Speaker 05

  This is the year that I've... You got me, guys. I agree. We gotta get a professional in the mix.

• 47:16Speaker 04

  Okay, turn off the lights, bring everyone out. My family's in the closet. Yeah. We're gonna get a professional involved in my unceasing daily anguish.

• 47:26Speaker 05

  All right, all right.

• 47:29Speaker 04

  Yeah, okay. Joke's over. I'm gonna get help.

• 47:33Speaker 04

  All right. Yeah, my ceaseless pain is gonna become someone else's problem. All right. All right. You got me.

• 47:42Speaker 04

  I'm tired of going it alone.

• 47:46Speaker 04

  All I do is hurt. Anybody got options? Solutions?

• 47:52Speaker 05

  That is me. Okay. Oh, oh, the therapist coming out. Oh, the therapist was pretending to be the mailman. All right, all right. Give it up for Randy, y'all. And we'll be talking.

• 48:04Speaker 04

  I'll sit on the little couch. All right. What's going on? I heard all the time. Oh.

• 48:15Speaker 04

  I love it. I genuinely think it is so deeply cool that you said that. And also, I'd love to know what we're doing about it. Both.

• 48:25Speaker 05

  Mm hmm, mm hmm. It's pending because I'm because I'm busy.

• 48:28Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 48:29Speaker 05

  But some, some, some, something's gotta be done.

• 48:32Speaker 04

  Something's gotta be done.

• 48:32Speaker 05

  Something's gotta be done. Things can't go on the way that they've been going.

• 48:37Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 48:38Speaker 05

  But that's also, oh, I hate that I brought up the generation thing. But I think that's also Gen Z to be like, hi, good morning, I'm in despair.

• 48:46Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 48:47Speaker 05

  Don't you think? I don't know.

• 48:48Speaker 04

  Uh, I'm certain that a lot of people in Gen Z are experiencing that, yeah.

• 48:52Speaker 05

  Or like the, the communication style of like, it actually, and even the way you received it. I felt bad, I think, for saying it because it's a bit much to burden you.

• 49:05Speaker 04

  No, I don't feel burdened by it at all. I think it's deeply cool. I like, I like honesty and I don't, I don't, I don't think it serves anyone to politely lie to, especially not in this context.

• 49:15Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 49:15Speaker 04

  Are there, are there times where that would be probably too much to share with like a total stranger, maybe? But I'm your friend. I deeply care about you. Also, the point of a show like this is to like, talk about life. I think like, we're engaging in conversation about life and this is something a lot of people are experiencing. But I think, can you pinpoint?

• 49:33Speaker 05

  Suicide hotline number is under.

• 49:35Speaker 04

  Get help. Can you pinpoint like what the biggest, uh, I, you know, there's so many different buckets of dread. Is it state of the world dread? Is it personal? Like what, what is?

• 49:46Speaker 05

  Oh, see, again, you're, you're a good person. My dread is quite selfish.

• 49:51Speaker 04

  That's nice.

• 49:52Speaker 05

  I feel hope about the world.

• 49:53Speaker 04

  That's really funny.

• 49:54Speaker 05

  But not really about the case of Joe Sunday.

• 50:02Speaker 04

  That's really funny because your life is going great and the world's kind of going bad. So for you to be like, no, I think the world's gonna be fine. It's me that I'm stressed out about. That's really deeply funny to me. And I like that.

• 50:15Speaker 05

  Oh my gosh.

• 50:16Speaker 04

  What's, what's causing you stress about Joe Sunday? Do you want to talk about it or you kind of just wanted to move on?

• 50:20Speaker 05

  Um, no, no, no, we totally can talk about it. I mean, like,

• 50:25Speaker 05

  We're gonna have to cut that.

• 50:31Speaker 04

  We'll just bleep it. We'll bleep it and not say what you said. We're gonna have to cut that.

• 50:40Speaker 04

  And let's put a little blur over the lips so no one can lip read it. I mean, yeah, that'll, that'll be part of it for sure.

• 50:51Speaker 05

  I'm very, very lonely.

• 50:54Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 50:55Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's, I call it the original loneliness. I think.

• 51:03Speaker 05

  Like if slash when I myself, I do think this will be like subject line of the note.

• 51:15Speaker 05

  I did such a good job. I did such a good job.

• 51:18Speaker 04

  Absolutely love that. If slash when I myself.

• 51:27Speaker 04

  I mean, this is, the funny thing is, you're saying it out loud, but this is like most comedians.

• 51:33Speaker 05

  Well, of course, isn't that the, it's like we, we, we, we, we put on the clown makeup to cover the tears.

• 51:39Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 51:40Speaker 05

  We're all miserable.

• 51:41Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 51:42Speaker 05

  Well, yeah.

• 51:48Speaker 05

  Okay, if you ever feel insulted by me, just remember, like, you're happy.

• 51:52Speaker 04

  What, I don't ever feel insulted by you.

• 51:53Speaker 05

  I have the underdog complex because I'm like, I'm, I'm, whatever.

• 51:59Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah, the original loneliness, like, I can't handle the idea that everything we feel at the end of the day have to feel it for ourselves.

• 52:11Speaker 04

  Do you?

• 52:11Speaker 05

  It's unbearable. You can share and you can talk, but like, it's even like when, when you said, is it your, is it my problem or yours? It is my problem because. As much as I want to, I can't like physically share a feeling with anybody.

• 52:27Speaker 04

  Right. We have to make sense of and deal with our own emotions at the end of the day. That is a-

• 52:31Speaker 05

  Why would you say that to me?

• 52:32Speaker 04

  Yeah, I know. I know. It sucks. It's a true, it's a true like-

• 52:36Speaker 05

  That's too, too difficult.

• 52:38Speaker 04

  It's a true stumbling block, I think, in the way of a lot of us in happiness is the thing that like, we genuinely, at the end of the day, every feeling we've ever experienced has been experienced by many other people and probably is at the exact same time.

• 52:50Speaker 05

  Oh, okay. Maybe that's hope. Maybe that's hope.

• 52:52Speaker 04

  But the way that you deal with it personally and how you choose to move through it is like ultimately up to you.

• 52:59Speaker 05

  Man, it's tough.

• 52:59Speaker 04

  And that part sucks.

• 53:00Speaker 05

  Man, it's tough. But maybe this is the kind of thing that people get into with this like therapy stuff-

• 53:04Speaker 04

  I think so.

• 53:04Speaker 05

  Or like the psychiatry. Okay, okay. I have tried therapy. Um, and every therapist I've had is like, listen, kid, like, I've reviewed your file.

• 53:18Speaker 05

  I'm not the one.

• 53:19Speaker 04

  Really?

• 53:20Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 53:20Speaker 04

  Being turned away by mental health professionals? I don't think they should be allowed to do that.

• 53:24Speaker 05

  I had no idea it was an option.

• 53:33Speaker 05

  Uh, but it is. And yeah, my situation is pretty dire.

• 53:37Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 53:37Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 53:39Speaker 04

  There, how many, how many, genuinely, how many therapists have you been turned away from?

• 53:43Speaker 05

  Three.

• 53:44Speaker 04

  Three?

• 53:44Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 53:45Speaker 04

  It's not a lot.

• 53:46Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 53:47Speaker 04

  It's not a lot. There's a lot of therapists out there in the world.

• 53:49Speaker 05

  Three is biblical.

• 53:51Speaker 04

  Three's crazy. I'm not gonna lie to you. I'm not gonna lie to you. Three's a, three's a bigger number than zero.

• 54:01Speaker 04

  I'm not gonna hold you on that. Hey, things aren't, things aren't perfect. Things aren't perfect. But it's not, it's not enough to give up. I'll tell you that.

• 54:15Speaker 04

  Three's a bigger number than zero.

• 54:16Speaker 05

  Uh, hey Caleb?

• 54:17Speaker 04

  Yes, ma'am.

• 54:21Speaker 05

  JK, JK. JK JK.

• 54:23Speaker 04

  No, we can find someone.

• 54:25Speaker 05

  Huge number.

• 54:26Speaker 04

  Three is, three is bigger than one or two.

• 54:28Speaker 05

  Three is a huge number, but yeah, we basically have no choice. Like, we gotta try again.

• 54:35Speaker 04

  We will try again. Can I help?

• 54:38Speaker 04

  Do you, do you want to send me?

• 54:40Speaker 05

  And it's, it's, it's the self sufficiency thing, that it's like, this is the year I'm kind of accepting help.

• 54:45Speaker 04

  Yeah. Send me your insurance information.

• 54:48Speaker 05

  Well, that's the thing.

• 54:49Speaker 04

  Do you have insurance?

• 54:51Speaker 05

  How do you sign up for that stuff?

• 54:53Speaker 04

  Okay. Okay. That is a huge part of it. You have insurance through your union. If you don't already, you will soon.

• 55:01Speaker 05

  Yeah, basically, I figured out how to get on. I was on Medicaid for a year and I got about beep beep number of UTIs. Boom, I was getting those antibiotics. Boom, I was drinking them up.

• 55:14Speaker 05

  And then, yeah, I have to sign up for this union health insurance.

• 55:17Speaker 04

  So I have really good news for you.

• 55:18Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 55:19Speaker 04

  And this is a thing to be excited about. The union insurance is incredible.

• 55:22Speaker 05

  It's good. I'm so excited. I'm gonna have appointments down.

• 55:26Speaker 04

  I went from having no insurance.

• 55:28Speaker 05

  I'm gonna go nail salon to the doctor salon.

• 55:30Speaker 04

  Right. I don't, I do not know if it covers nails. I haven't checked.

• 55:34Speaker 05

  No, no, no, but I'll cover my nails.

• 55:37Speaker 04

  Just checking.

• 55:38Speaker 05

  And then I'm seeing the sleep doctor, mental health doctor, the back doctor, the knee doctor, the endocrine doc. All the doctors are gonna be seeing me.

• 55:48Speaker 04

  I did appointment, I went crazy on appointments when I got union health insurance. Cause I didn't have any before. I was like really neglecting things.

• 55:54Speaker 05

  Do you feel comfortable to disclose what was the medical intervention that helped you the most? That made that like, yeah.

• 56:03Speaker 04

  Helped me the most?

• 56:04Speaker 05

  Or just like.

• 56:05Speaker 04

  The most concerning was my teeth. I really, I had cavities that I was not dealing with because I was so broke.

• 56:09Speaker 05

  That makes so much sense.

• 56:11Speaker 04

  And they hurt and I was poor.

• 56:12Speaker 05

  So scary.

• 56:13Speaker 04

  Scary, difficult and expensive.

• 56:15Speaker 05

  So mad at you and so mean.

• 56:16Speaker 04

  I'm still.

• 56:17Speaker 05

  You know who's great though?

• 56:18Speaker 04

  Fixing it, say it.

• 56:19Speaker 05

  Orthodontist.

• 56:20Speaker 04

  What? I've never been.

• 56:22Speaker 05

  I had adult braces for six years.

• 56:24Speaker 04

  Did you?

• 56:24Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 56:25Speaker 04

  I've got a tooth that could come forward. This one, he's, he's pushed back. I'm not gonna do anything about it, but they would if I let them. I like him. I think it has character.

• 56:32Speaker 05

  That's, that's completely hot.

• 56:33Speaker 04

  They would fix him if they could.

• 56:34Speaker 05

  Two supermodels who have that tooth structure.

• 56:37Speaker 04

  Yeah, I got a couple other fucked up things too. These guys are a little weird. But my teeth were, my, they were never ugly. They were just like hurting. What?

• 56:44Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Proof of life.

• 56:45Speaker 04

  Proof of life. Yeah, I like weird teeth. I like weird teeth. I like weird faces. I think it's helpful as an actor. I'll never get work on my face ever in my entire life. I like being expressive. I'm not worried about wrinkles. I think they'll be good for me. Um, but I do.

• 57:01Speaker 05

  You are, well, I think almost everyone looks hotter as they age and you in particular. Oh my God, I'm seeing you a bit older and we, I think we are gonna date when you're older.

• 57:13Speaker 04

  Can I tell you something?

• 57:14Speaker 05

  What?

• 57:14Speaker 04

  I look at pictures of myself when I was 19 and picture myself now and I go, Hugh, you are so lucky, brother. I look so much better already than I did when I was 19.

• 57:24Speaker 05

  I mean, I bet you were adorable and like porcelain.

• 57:26Speaker 04

  I was like cute or whatever, but like, and now I'm, I'm looking, I'm looking at myself the last like year or so and I'm going, hey, brother.

• 57:33Speaker 05

  I do think with, truly with everyone, but especially with like boys or masculine people. Time just helps.

• 57:42Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 57:43Speaker 05

  Just get a bit of weathering. There's a bit of a shaping that goes on.

• 57:47Speaker 04

  It doesn't help everybody though. I've seen, I've seen some people go through a rough situation.

• 57:52Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 57:53Speaker 04

  I've seen, twink death is real. I've seen some twigs go through trouble. Cause at first it's cute, you know, you're 21 and you're like the cutest guy on campus. You get to 32, all of a sudden gaunt.

• 58:07Speaker 04

  Gaunt. It doesn't, it doesn't go better for everyone. The it gets better campaign should have had a tagline for some of you.

• 58:19Speaker 05

  It should be like, it, it gets better, but like get some botox just in case.

• 58:22Speaker 04

  It gets better, but hey, I can't say.

• 58:24Speaker 05

  Yeah, it gets, it gets, it gets better, but no one is there, is available.

• 58:27Speaker 04

  Everybody's beautiful. Just kidding.

• 58:29Speaker 05

  Um, do, do you know, did you ever watch Flavor of Love?

• 58:34Speaker 04

  Of course I did.

• 58:34Speaker 05

  Okay, good, good, good. I love that. Um, there's this line where New York, it's the penultimate epic. Of season two, New York is talking about, um, who is that girl that says, oh, what's her name? I can't remember, but she's Goldie. No, yeah, Goldie, Goldie, the one who says, did everyone try the chicken? I thought the chicken was lovely.

• 58:51Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 58:51Speaker 05

  It's New York versus Goldie.

• 58:53Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 58:53Speaker 05

  And New York is like, kind of shocked that Goldie has made it so far. And she says about, like, she says that Goldie is cute, but she says cute next to gorgeous. Gorgeous is, you know, gonna devour cute.

• 59:05Speaker 04

  Yeah, I love that line. And I love that, by the way, Goldie, it wasn't Goldie that microwaved the chicken. Goldie was making fun of.

• 59:12Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 59:13Speaker 04

  The girl who microwaved the chicken. Hottie microwaved the chicken and Goldie was like, hottie. A full chicken in the microwave.

• 59:19Speaker 05

  But don't you think that hottie, where is hottie, by the way? Because don't you think that woman is a genius? Like, don't you think she knew she was being hilarious?

• 59:29Speaker 04

  I don't know. I would have to talk to her more. Cause if she knew and she was doing like performance art, then I think she's one of the most brilliant minds alive.

• 59:36Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 59:36Speaker 04

  But I do think there are people who would microwave a chicken and I don't know which one she was. Cause I don't know her.

• 59:41Speaker 05

  I just really feel like.

• 59:46Speaker 05

  Maybe this is like my feminist campaign, that when a woman does something and we laugh, I want to err on the side of, I'm like auteur theory.

• 59:54Speaker 04

  I would love to.

• 59:56Speaker 05

  Um, because she had so, she had so many, she had so many other moments. Like she was the one who said, everyone tells her she looks like Beyonce.

• 1:00:03Speaker 04

  Beyonce.

• 1:00:04Speaker 05

  Beyonce, Beyonce, Beyonce.

• 1:00:05Speaker 04

  Beyonce, I am so sorry that an ugly bitch like this would even say some shit like that.

• 1:00:08Speaker 05

  Yes, oh, I forgot about that bar.

• 1:00:09Speaker 04

  Beyonce, you look like Luther Vandross. Yeah, I was there.

• 1:00:13Speaker 05

  I forgot about that bar.

• 1:00:14Speaker 04

  Oh, I was there.

• 1:00:15Speaker 05

  Ah, I was not there, but I caught it as soon as I was of age, I caught it on YouTube.

• 1:00:20Speaker 04

  I think New York's a genius.

• 1:00:21Speaker 05

  That clear as day.

• 1:00:23Speaker 04

  That's undeniable.

• 1:00:24Speaker 05

  Clear as day. Tiffany Pollard, is that how you say it?

• 1:00:26Speaker 04

  Tiffany New York Pollard.

• 1:00:27Speaker 05

  Tiffany New York Pollard. God, I love you. You made me.

• 1:00:31Speaker 04

  I love you.

• 1:00:32Speaker 05

  And you made me.

• 1:00:32Speaker 04

  You made so many of us.

• 1:00:33Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:00:34Speaker 04

  I ju, she's, she is foundational text.

• 1:00:37Speaker 05

  Genius.

• 1:00:38Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:00:38Speaker 05

  She's everything. Her, NeNe, and it's crazy, they wrote, well, the internet is dead now and memes and such are dead, but.

• 1:00:51Speaker 05

  For as long as they lived, it was written by those like four women. Like it was New York, Nene Leaks, um, the white lady from, well, Kim from season one of Real Housewives of Atlanta.

• 1:01:06Speaker 05

  And maybe like Deirdre or like one other per- like the whole internet. Like, I really think like probably like 85% of memes were of these women. It's not resonating what I'm saying.

• 1:01:19Speaker 04

  No, I just, I, I know Nene to me, I can only agree with because I've seen the, the memes and the outcome. I've never seen any Real Housewives episode. So I don't know anything about Real Housewives. Nene broke through. She's in a different stratosphere to me. So I don't know about, I don't know who Deirdre is, I don't know who Kim is.

• 1:01:35Speaker 05

  Okay, no worries, no worries.

• 1:01:36Speaker 04

  But I would like to.

• 1:01:36Speaker 05

  This was my observation is I spent a couple of years on the internet. I love memes, I love GIFs, I was, it was really, really in that. And I had also never watched Real Housewives. And then, uh, maybe like two years ago, I watched even the first episode, but like the first season of Real Housewives of Atlanta. Every me, it's, it's, it, you know, people are like watching the Mona Lisa being painted. Like every meme on the internet is from this one season of this specific show. You think that they're from the years and the years, but I swear it's all Real Housewives of Atlanta, season one.

• 1:02:10Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:02:12Speaker 04

  There's something to be said about our culture going from Real Housewives of Atlanta being the thing to Real Housewives of Salt Lake City being the thing. And I'm not liking the shift. And I, like I said, never seen either of them.

• 1:02:22Speaker 05

  Trace the fascism onto that.

• 1:02:23Speaker 04

  But let's just look at what that means along with what's happening with our government and take a peek at that. Someone needs to do a paper.

• 1:02:29Speaker 05

  I haven't seen these SLC ladies. I bet there's a college student out there right now drafting it.

• 1:02:34Speaker 04

  I wanna, I wanna see it.

• 1:02:35Speaker 05

  I wanna be in touch with them.

• 1:02:36Speaker 04

  I wanna see it bad.

• 1:02:37Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:02:38Speaker 04

  I wanna see it bad.

• 1:02:38Speaker 05

  What are you watching?

• 1:02:41Speaker 04

  I wa- I, I, when I answer this question, I want you guys to know.

• 1:02:44Speaker 05

  It's so loaded. Like I'm so sorry.

• 1:02:47Speaker 04

  I want you guys to know that I know how I sound and I'm not this guy, but I don't watch reality TV. Everyone hates that about me.

• 1:02:53Speaker 05

  No, no, that's okay, that's okay, that's okay. I watch documentaries. Oh, great, great, great, great, great.

• 1:02:57Speaker 04

  And I watch movies.

• 1:02:58Speaker 05

  Come on.

• 1:02:59Speaker 04

  And I feel bad that I don't watch, I wish I watched more garbage because I know that's in vogue right now.

• 1:03:03Speaker 05

  Wait, I, I- I presented a false image of myself as someone. I think reality TV is really cool.

• 1:03:10Speaker 04

  I'm not talking to you when I say this. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not defining myself to you. I don't feel the need to defend myself to my friend Joe.

• 1:03:14Speaker 05

  The people.

• 1:03:15Speaker 04

  I'm defining myself to the many, many listeners. Many. Big show.

• 1:03:18Speaker 05

  Wait, what are we called again? The truthers?

• 1:03:20Speaker 04

  Truthers, K-lembrides, K-lesbians, K-Latinas are a growing faction.

• 1:03:25Speaker 05

  Cool.

• 1:03:25Speaker 04

  The K-Latinas are becoming more and more vocal.

• 1:03:27Speaker 05

  K-Latinas.

• 1:03:28Speaker 04

  And I love, and I thank you, K-Latinas. Thank you for being here.

• 1:03:31Speaker 05

  What about the Cajuns?

• 1:03:32Speaker 04

  Uh, I haven't heard much from the Cajuns, but I would really love to hear from you, the Cajuns, if you're out there. Um, really any group that identifies as a supporter of Caleb, I want to hear from them.

• 1:03:44Speaker 05

  I'm trying to think, we could be like,

• 1:03:52Speaker 05

  I was gonna say something like so offensive. Like I was trying to mix Caleb and like black people, but it was gonna come out like so, just like Jim Crow and wrong.

• 1:04:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, I don't think it's obviously my place. I felt pretty comfortable starting K-L- K-lembrides. That was where, that's the contribution I gave to the.

• 1:04:08Speaker 05

  I know, I wanted to give you one, but it was gonna, I was gonna say like the K-Blackies or something, but it was like.

• 1:04:13Speaker 04

  That's exactly what I was.

• 1:04:16Speaker 04

  That's so crazy. No, I don't know what it would be. I guess black, black Caleb fans, let me know.

• 1:04:22Speaker 05

  Do you know that surely somebody in this room knows the demographic makeup of your listeners?

• 1:04:28Speaker 04

  Oh, not by number, but it's a whole bunch of women. It's a lot of women.

• 1:04:34Speaker 05

  Great.

• 1:04:34Speaker 04

  Most, I would say.

• 1:04:35Speaker 05

  We touched on some womenly topics.

• 1:04:37Speaker 04

  I would say seven, probably sixty-five, seventy percent women.

• 1:04:40Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:04:41Speaker 04

  Uh, that's a number that I'm like pretty sure of.

• 1:04:43Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:04:44Speaker 04

  Um, more straight guys than you would think.

• 1:04:46Speaker 05

  Question mark, or we don't know about that?

• 1:04:48Speaker 04

  I don't know racial makeup. Uh, based on who approaches me, it's a pretty even mix of like racial background.

• 1:04:56Speaker 05

  Cool.

• 1:04:56Speaker 04

  Uh, more straight guys than you would think. More straight guys than I'm comfortable with. Shout out to you, boys, but I am surprised that you're here and I don't really know, I don't know what's doing it for you, but I'm so glad that you're here. I hope that we're all learning something.

• 1:05:10Speaker 05

  Unfortunately, like my best, well, I have a lot of best friends, but like my best fucking friend is a straight guy, so.

• 1:05:15Speaker 04

  Really?

• 1:05:17Speaker 04

  I would never. I don't, there's not a single straight guy that I respect. There's not one straight guy that I hang out with, respect, or like, not one.

• 1:05:24Speaker 05

  But that, that's a green flag to me. That's princip- oh, I see, I see. You're bullying, you're bullying, Mr. Chance.

• 1:05:31Speaker 04

  I'm bullying Chance and also a bunch of other people I love very much.

• 1:05:34Speaker 05

  I'm sorry.

• 1:05:35Speaker 04

  Some of my closest friends are straight guys. They're a delightful community.

• 1:05:38Speaker 05

  Well, can I, I was gonna say something that I think is hack and I'm sorry that I'm truly just arriving at this now. Chance is straight Caleb.

• 1:05:47Speaker 04

  Caleb is gay Chance.

• 1:05:49Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 1:05:50Speaker 04

  Think about that.

• 1:05:54Speaker 04

  Well, Chance and I have known each other since we were 17 years old.

• 1:05:56Speaker 05

  I know.

• 1:05:57Speaker 04

  So we have-

• 1:05:58Speaker 05

  Of course you would morph like Brad Pitt and his girlfriends.

• 1:06:00Speaker 04

  We have been in the trenches. We've been in the trenches.

• 1:06:06Speaker 04

  Asian Caleb fans, please let me know if you like Cajuns. If you don't, that's no worries. We would love to hear from you. Black Caleb fans, I love you deeply.

• 1:06:14Speaker 05

  But I could also be, couldn't Cajuns be for like black people from the south or not really?

• 1:06:18Speaker 04

  That's really smart. Yeah, that's really, really smart.

• 1:06:20Speaker 05

  I hate puns. Or not really, but I hate, I don't like when a joke hinges on the fact that a word sounds like another word or a word could be misunderstood for another word. I think that's cheap.

• 1:06:32Speaker 04

  Yeah. I'm really, I'm kind of into it.

• 1:06:34Speaker 05

  Really? No, I said the wrong thing. I said the wrong thing.

• 1:06:37Speaker 04

  You didn't say the wrong thing at all. I think it's interesting that you don't like it. But Caleberties means a lot to me.

• 1:06:42Speaker 05

  I'm not explaining it well. Like, I do like, like, like Jane had this joke where she was like, my name's Tamara. I'll tell you tomorrow. I thought that was adorable and really, really made me laugh. But I don't like when a joke is like, oh, like people are always doing, oh, fuck, I can't remember, but they're like, oh, people are all, oh, I'm, I'm being mean for no reason. People are always doing a joke where the word melatonin sounds like melanin. They're always doing a joke where they're like, someone like gave me melatonin, but I thought I was gonna like wake up African American or something. I'm like.

• 1:07:18Speaker 04

  Me fiercely editing my next hour, crossing things out. Fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck. Yeah, that joke sucks. That's why you don't like it.

• 1:07:26Speaker 05

  Right. I think it's probably just one specific joke.

• 1:07:28Speaker 04

  That joke sucks. I hate that joke.

• 1:07:30Speaker 05

  Wait, you were saying something interesting. Oh, and I was remembering I have something interesting to ask you.

• 1:07:33Speaker 04

  Go ahead.

• 1:07:34Speaker 05

  Let's say yours, because I'm remembering mine.

• 1:07:35Speaker 04

  Oh, I was just saying, black, black Caleb fans, please let us know what you'd like your fan name to be.

• 1:07:41Speaker 05

  Oh, I remembered mine.

• 1:07:42Speaker 04

  Say.

• 1:07:42Speaker 05

  Who is your ideal audience member?

• 1:07:47Speaker 04

  Ideal audience?

• 1:07:48Speaker 05

  Or actually, it's two questions. Like, one,

• 1:07:52Speaker 05

  when you're writing, when you're writing,

• 1:07:57Speaker 05

  is there a person you have in mind who you're writing for? And does that person match with who your dream audience member is, like the person you actually want to be watching your stuff, coming to your shows, et cetera?

• 1:08:10Speaker 04

  I genuinely try as hard as I can when I'm writing not to think about the audience at all. I try so hard to remove them from it entirely.

• 1:08:17Speaker 05

  Are you thinking about yourself?

• 1:08:18Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:08:19Speaker 05

  You're writing with the man in the mirror?

• 1:08:20Speaker 04

  Yeah, I'm thinking, what do I think is funny? What am I genuinely trying to say? What is the point? Do I think this is acceptable?

• 1:08:25Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:08:26Speaker 04

  It is a very hard practice, and I'm not saying that I accomplish it, but that is what I'm trying to do.

• 1:08:30Speaker 05

  Cool, cool, cool.

• 1:08:30Speaker 04

  I am most, I will say,

• 1:08:37Speaker 04

  black audiences are the most discerning about comedy.

• 1:08:40Speaker 05

  They're tough.

• 1:08:41Speaker 04

  And white comics.

• 1:08:42Speaker 05

  Because black people are so funny.

• 1:08:43Speaker 04

  Black people are so funny, and black people also, I feel that, I feel that black people, black audiences specifically, they don't do pity. They give it to you when you've earned it, and they don't when you don't.

• 1:08:56Speaker 05

  Seriously.

• 1:08:56Speaker 04

  And white audiences really do pity.

• 1:08:58Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:08:59Speaker 04

  And I don't want pity. I want to be really, really good.

• 1:09:02Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:09:03Speaker 04

  So when I make a black audience laugh, or an audience that has more black people in it, or if I'm looking at an audience and I see, you know, like, as is the case at a lot of Brooklyn venues, if I see 300 white people and six black people, I'm.

• 1:09:15Speaker 05

  Performing for.

• 1:09:16Speaker 04

  I'm mostly looking at the six black people.

• 1:09:17Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:09:18Speaker 04

  Because if I'm making the black audience members genuinely laugh.

• 1:09:22Speaker 05

  That's real, it counts.

• 1:09:23Speaker 04

  Then I know that I can trust it. If I'm making like, you know, I don't know, a lot of, a lot of white audiences really do just give pity laughs. And I'm like, I'm not interested in that. I want to be genuinely good. So I genuinely do really appreciate when a, when a black person finds me funny.

• 1:09:41Speaker 04

  But I have a lot of white fans, and I am genuinely grateful that they come and find me funny as well. But I would say like, yeah, I think there is a tendency towards like,

• 1:09:51Speaker 04

  I mean, yeah, like white lies, like polite, like there's a tendency towards politeness that I'm just not really interested in.

• 1:09:59Speaker 04

  So I would say that.

• 1:10:00Speaker 05

  And is there any element to, like, I'm thinking about how, you know, on we slash we sports resort? Or you know, on we, the Nintendo we?

• 1:10:10Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:10:10Speaker 05

  You would make a me.

• 1:10:11Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:10:12Speaker 05

  And thinking about how, for some reason, through my entire childhood, all my me's were white. How are we gonna reconcile this?

• 1:10:20Speaker 04

  What are we gonna do about that?

• 1:10:21Speaker 05

  What are we gonna do about that? Is there anything to you, when you're thinking about your ideal audience member? Is there anything to the question of like, does that person match you? Is that person like a gay person from Missouri? Or are they someone totally different?

• 1:10:38Speaker 04

  No, I don't think of an ideal audience member, really. I like.

• 1:10:44Speaker 05

  Cool.

• 1:10:44Speaker 04

  Like I said, I would like to kill in rooms that I think are difficult to kill, like to kill in. That's what I would like the most. I think, and I also think white comics know this, by the way. I think a lot of white comics don't perform in black rooms because they know that it won't go well. And so I think this is a known fact and what you do about it is your business, but.

• 1:11:03Speaker 05

  Even this is something that's kind of a question for me. Because it's also like, well, do you like? I wonder if maybe there's something to be said for

• 1:11:15Speaker 05

  something that I'm, that I like about the state of comedy today is that,

• 1:11:21Speaker 05

  Jesus Christ, I'm sorry to be giving my, no one asked for my opinion about the state of comedy.

• 1:11:25Speaker 04

  I did.

• 1:11:25Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:11:29Speaker 05

  Oh, there just are so many comedy fans and so it can be cool to find your niche. And maybe some people feel like, is it good? Like, if you don't kill in certain rooms, is it good to be like, okay, well, like, those, those seller people aren't my business anyway? Or should you still really go for it and try?

• 1:11:46Speaker 04

  No, I'm not interested in performing at the cellar of the store, not because of the audiences necessarily, but because I don't like the way they do biz, I don't care.

• 1:11:52Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:11:53Speaker 04

  I'm not gonna come and like, they, they asked me to perform at the Comedy Store in LA. They're like, come and do our like, come and work your way up and do our potluck. And I'm like, I sell out.

• 1:12:01Speaker 05

  Work your way up?

• 1:12:03Speaker 04

  I sell out rooms three times the size of that room. I don't need to work my way up.

• 1:12:06Speaker 05

  Crazy, that's so funny.

• 1:12:08Speaker 04

  But that's the thing is I'm like, that's that, do whatever you want. I don't care, I don't care. And also, if I bombed in front of a room of like midtown tourists, would I care?

• 1:12:17Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:12:19Speaker 04

  But that's the thing is you have to be, you have to believe in your thing regardless. But some comics, yeah, their thing doesn't work in a lot of rooms and they don't care. They're like anti comedy comics and I think they're, I really laugh at those sets and enjoy them. It's not what I want to do, but I think it's awesome.

• 1:12:33Speaker 05

  I hear you. I hear you. Yeah. I think I'm a little more with you on this.

• 1:12:37Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:12:37Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:12:38Speaker 04

  I would like, I would like to get laughs.

• 1:12:42Speaker 04

  But yeah, I think it's cool when people have a different way of doing it. I think the fun thing about comedy and the times I feel most like honored and excited to be part of like the comedy world is when there's a lineup with people who do it all very differently.

• 1:12:55Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:12:56Speaker 04

  And I get to watch everybody and be like, oh, fuck, I love when, I could never do what Sarah Skorm does. I could never do what Chris Fleming does. I could never do.

• 1:13:03Speaker 05

  Oh, my God, you're making my dream lineup. I'm like getting hot in my pants. Yes.

• 1:13:09Speaker 04

  The first time I saw her on a lineup, I was like, I don't have access.

• 1:13:12Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:13:13Speaker 04

  I don't have access to what she does.

• 1:13:15Speaker 05

  Completely.

• 1:13:16Speaker 04

  Don't need it. I do what I do.

• 1:13:17Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:13:17Speaker 04

  But it's fun to watch lineups where you're like.

• 1:13:19Speaker 05

  Who's gonna make this? Me. My next show. Boom. Here we go.

• 1:13:22Speaker 04

  Come on.

• 1:13:23Speaker 05

  Can I ask you another comedy question? Oh, but finish your thought.

• 1:13:25Speaker 04

  That's it. I just love it. I just love when it's different.

• 1:13:27Speaker 05

  Yes. Is laughter your god? And I can explain what I mean by that, or you can take it, or you can take it as you hear it.

• 1:13:35Speaker 04

  Explain what you mean, because I'm interested.

• 1:13:36Speaker 05

  Okay. Well.

• 1:13:42Speaker 05

  It's a bit shady. I don't think it'll come across as shady and whoever would take it that way won't be listening to this anyway. I was talk, there's, there, there was a comic who I felt.

• 1:13:58Speaker 05

  Here I go. There was a com, okay, I'll, I'll be vague. I'll be vague. There was a comic, I don't even like the word comic. There was a comedian, there was a clown, whose jokes I felt were harmful. I really didn't like them. I really took issue. But they were getting a lot of traction online and at shows. And I met this person and I asked them, like.

• 1:14:23Speaker 05

  Why do you do that? Like, do you really believe that stuff? Do you really dislike XYZ category of person? And that person's response was so interesting. They were like, no, I roll with all kinds of people. I don't care at all. I just say that stuff because it gets the reaction I want. It just gets the audience, just gets me the sound of laughter that I need. And to me, that is laughter is your god. That that's that's the the central thing is just like, what can I say to get the sound of laughter? Whereas other people like, I'm such a big fan of like Jacqueline Novak. I feel like her god is like, maybe like

• 1:15:06Speaker 05

  the idea or like the narrative, maybe something like that. So I'm curious for you, where do you stand?

• 1:15:14Speaker 04

  I think this, I I phrase this question differently for myself. But when you explained it, I understood it as a question that I have asked myself. I think every comedian has to ask themselves this question in some way at at some point. If you've been doing it for long enough, you have to decide. The way I ask it is, do you want to be funny more than you want to be anything? And the answer is no. I want to be a good person more than I want to be anything. And I want to be funny really, really, really badly. And I don't actually, me personally, I don't actually disrespect people who want to be funny more than they want to be anything. There are comics I like who-

• 1:15:47Speaker 05

  I think I don't quite either.

• 1:15:49Speaker 04

  I don't care. I'm like, good for you. I'm like, go nuts. If I don't like the joke, I'm like, whatever. If you want to be funny more than you want to be anything, do I think that's going to lead you to like a spiritually happy, good, content place? Do I think that's going to lead to a necessarily good life? No, that's why I'm not doing it. But I want to be a good person more than I want to be anything. And then in a very close second, I want to be funny really badly. But it matters, you know?

• 1:16:18Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:16:19Speaker 04

  I'm assuming that you are not in the camp of laughter as god.

• 1:16:25Speaker 05

  No, and I think it's to my detriment.

• 1:16:28Speaker 04

  That's interesting.

• 1:16:28Speaker 05

  I think I'm a little bit too nerdy about comedy. I think I spend too much time thinking, what's really the truth here? What can I find? What can I twist? It's like, it's not, it's not a master's thesis.

• 1:16:43Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:16:44Speaker 05

  Tell a fucking joke.

• 1:16:45Speaker 04

  Really, really interesting point. I do that a lot. Like, I, I will oftentimes be testing a joke where I'm trying to do way too much.

• 1:16:53Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:16:53Speaker 04

  And then I s-

• 1:16:54Speaker 05

  I think that's something I've noticed as like, kind of a poison rising up in Brooklyn comedy a little bit.

• 1:17:02Speaker 04

  Yeah, and honey, I've been poisoned before.

• 1:17:04Speaker 05

  Like a stand-up set that's an essay.

• 1:17:06Speaker 04

  Yeah. I, yeah, I've, I've noticed, I've caught myself doing that before.

• 1:17:09Speaker 05

  You've been poisoned. Me too, me, I'm, I'm poisoned all the time, yeah.

• 1:17:12Speaker 04

  And then you draw it back and it's way funnier.

• 1:17:14Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:17:15Speaker 04

  Well, Joe, we have one last thing for you. We're almost done.

• 1:17:19Speaker 05

  Oh, man, I'm gonna miss you. Oh, gosh.

• 1:17:21Speaker 04

  It sucks that we can never talk again after this. I hate that. We should take that out of the contract.

• 1:17:26Speaker 05

  The grief will, the grief will consume me.

• 1:17:28Speaker 04

  And we'll talk off-camera about some stuff.

• 1:17:31Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 1:17:34Speaker 04

  Therapy and all that. Are you ready? We're gonna play a true-false segment.

• 1:17:38Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:17:39Speaker 04

  I'm gonna read you 15 statements. You're gonna tell me as quickly as you can if what I just said was true or false.

• 1:17:43Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:17:43Speaker 04

  Joe, if you get 10 or more correct, we're gonna give you 50 US dollars.

• 1:17:46Speaker 05

  Boom.

• 1:17:46Speaker 04

  Are you ready?

• 1:17:46Speaker 05

  Lunch.

• 1:17:47Speaker 04

  The Houston Texans have won two Super Bowls.

• 1:17:51Speaker 05

  False.

• 1:17:52Speaker 04

  False, zero. Rebecca Black's song "Friday" came out on a Thursday.

• 1:17:58Speaker 05

  True.

• 1:17:59Speaker 04

  True. Ants don't have lungs.

• 1:18:00Speaker 05

  You're, the way you're telling me the answer right away is totally messing with me. Ants don't have lungs. Uh, true.

• 1:18:06Speaker 04

  True. The first credit card was invented in 1915.

• 1:18:11Speaker 05

  True.

• 1:18:12Speaker 04

  False, 1950.

• 1:18:13Speaker 05

  Ah, that's what I thought, okay.

• 1:18:15Speaker 04

  Ghana has the seventh-largest population among African countries.

• 1:18:19Speaker 05

  Hmm, did you put that for me?

• 1:18:21Speaker 04

  I didn't write them. I won't lie to you.

• 1:18:23Speaker 05

  Ghana's the seventh largest, that, I mean, that's like, that's,

• 1:18:28Speaker 05

  seventh-largest isn't anything. Come on.

• 1:18:35Speaker 05

  False.

• 1:18:36Speaker 04

  False, 13th. Point Nemo is the farthest place from land on Earth.

• 1:18:40Speaker 05

  Okay, is like, do you have a house there? Sorry, I started to talk to me, kill Tony to answer the question.

• 1:18:49Speaker 05

  Um, I don't freaking know, false.

• 1:18:51Speaker 04

  True. It takes two years for a single pineapple to grow fully.

• 1:18:55Speaker 05

  Uh, true.

• 1:18:57Speaker 04

  True. Portland, Oregon was almost named Boston, Oregon.

• 1:19:00Speaker 05

  True.

• 1:19:00Speaker 04

  True. Trees have been on Earth longer than sharks.

• 1:19:03Speaker 05

  False.

• 1:19:04Speaker 04

  False. Goats have rectangular pupils.

• 1:19:06Speaker 05

  False.

• 1:19:07Speaker 04

  True. The mascot for the University of Chicago is Marty the Maroon.

• 1:19:11Speaker 05

  LOL, uh, false, because I think it's a phoenix?

• 1:19:14Speaker 04

  False, it's Phil the Phoenix.

• 1:19:15Speaker 05

  Ah.

• 1:19:15Speaker 04

  SpongeBob SquarePants and Squidward are voiced by the same actor.

• 1:19:18Speaker 05

  Oh, man, I wish I knew, false.

• 1:19:20Speaker 04

  False. The guy who invented Pringles had his ashes buried in a Pringles can.

• 1:19:23Speaker 05

  Uh, probably true, sicko.

• 1:19:25Speaker 04

  True. Komodo dragons have opposable thumbs.

• 1:19:28Speaker 05

  These are such fun facts. Uh, true, because I think that's how they do them in the cartoons.

• 1:19:35Speaker 04

  Yeah, false.

• 1:19:37Speaker 04

  Last one. The first Avatar movie has made more money than Avatar 2.

• 1:19:42Speaker 05

  Um, true.

• 1:19:45Speaker 04

  True. How'd she do? 11. Yeah, let's go. Winner, winner, winner. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, proud of you. Great job on the game.

• 1:19:55Speaker 05

  Why, thank you.

• 1:19:56Speaker 04

  Hey, Joe, is there anything you want to tell people where they can find you, etc.?

• 1:19:58Speaker 05

  Oh, um, yeah, my Instagram is joe.loffrice, like the food. Um, and you can see me

• 1:20:11Speaker 05

  in the credits. It goes by quicker than you can imagine, in the credits of a certain TV show that airs every Saturday night.

• 1:20:20Speaker 04

  It's MSNBC.

• 1:20:21Speaker 05

  MSNBC.

• 1:20:21Speaker 04

  You wait for MSNBC. Uh, thanks so much for being on, we love you. Thanks for doing it.

• 1:20:25Speaker 05

  Oh my God, I love you so much. Thank you, guys.

• 1:20:28Speaker 04

  We did.

• 1:20:31Speaker 00

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