ALIEN: UFOs in the Hudson Valley

Since at least the 1980s, the Hudson Valley area of New York has been a hotspot for UFO activity. Here, various crafts have been spotted by hundreds of people, leading many to wonder what's so special about this part of the United States. Some think that underground cave systems might be drawing UFOs in. But with the recent unexplained drone activity, it's possible we may have answers sooner rather than later.

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• 0:02Speaker 00

  All right, I'd like to address the elephant in the room, please. You know, the one hovering over us for an overstayed welcome. What the heck is going on with these drone sightings on the East Coast? The whole world has probably heard about these things by now. But if you've managed to shut out the news entirely, well, A, I don't blame you. And B, here's the TLDR. Since November 2024, thousands of people along the East Coast have reported seeing mysterious craft at night. Sometimes dozens of them at a time. They're about the size of a car with red and green lights, and they're incredibly loud.

• 0:45Speaker 00

  They also seem to do inexplicable things like disappear before people's eyes, emerge from the ocean, even attach themselves to other drones before falling out of the sky. It seemed to start in the New York, New Jersey area. Then they traveled further west and north. And now I hear that they're being spotted all over the world. But when you consider their point of origin, you have to wonder, like, is this new? Have sightings happened here before?

• 1:18Speaker 00

  Well, it turns out, it isn't, and they have a lot. Back in the 80s, New York's Hudson Valley experienced one of the highest volumes of UFO reports in modern history. And today, I tasked Rasha and Yvette with exploring some of those sightings, so we can see if maybe there's a connection. Because while UFOs are getting a lot of media attention now, I think there's a lot more to the story, and it's time that the world finally heard it. I'm Ashley Flowers, and this is So Supernatural.

• 2:04Yvette Gentile?

  Happy Aloha Friday and buckle up y'all because we are back for another episode of So Supernatural and this one is going to knock your socks off. I'm Yvette Gentile.

• 2:20Rasha Pecoraro?

  And I'm Rasha Pecoraro.

• 2:21Yvette Gentile?

  And today's topic is one we've been tracking closely for months. As a matter of fact, since mid-November 2024. That's when an unprecedented number of mysterious lights and drones began appearing in the skies all over the East Coast and beyond, including over Air Force bases in the UK. So back in January, the government claimed that the drones were all FAA-approved aircraft, "normal drones, hobbyists, etc., etc." In other words, quote, "not the enemy." But you know what? We are not buying it, right, Rosh?

• 3:00Rasha Pecoraro?

  I mean, how can we? I'm not buying that they were regulated and approved by the FAA. No way. And this is exactly the kind of thing that gets everyone questioning. What is really going on? Like, what aren't they telling us and why?

• 3:15Yvette Gentile?

  Because as it turns out, these sightings in the sky, predominantly in and around the Hudson Valley area, are far from new. People have been seeing huge ships around the Hudson Valley area for over a century. So let's just unpack some of the reports from over the years to try and understand what is really going on.

• 3:47Rasha Pecoraro?

  So in case you're not familiar with the Hudson Valley, here's what you need to know. It's a picturesque region that surrounds the river between the capital city of Albany and the northernmost suburbs of New York City. Neighboring states New Jersey and Connecticut also overlap slightly into this area. In total, the Hudson Valley sprawls across 7,000 square miles. For a little bit of perspective, that makes the region almost the same size as the state of Massachusetts. And in the early 1980s, the Hudson Valley has a lot of well-educated and wealthy residents. A good chunk of the 900,000 or so locals are commuters who work in New York City.

• 4:28Rasha Pecoraro?

  Every night, they would come home to the suburbs, see their families, have some dinner, maybe unwind with a little TV, you know, the simple life. But on March 17, 1983, something disrupts their little routine. A man named Dennis Sant lives in Brewster, New York, a town in the southeastern Hudson Valley. Dennis is a high-ranking deputy county clerk. And one evening, he's relaxing at home with his wife and his five kids when he happens to glance out the window. And that's when he sees something in the sky that he just cannot explain. It's a massive flying object drifting in absolute silence.

• 5:11Rasha Pecoraro?

  Which is odd, because from the way he describes it later, it sounds like the craft is literally right over his head, barely clearing the top of his house, so incredibly close. And what's even weirder is it stops and just sort of hovers there, like it's not in any kind of hurry as far as he can tell. So Dennis, of course, grabs his kids and they run out in the backyard to just stare in awe at this flying object. And there's no mistaking, this thing is huge, and it's made of this dark gray metal. Dennis notices it's covered with strings of light that shine every color of the rainbow.

• 5:52Rasha Pecoraro?

  They're so bright that later on, Dennis goes on to describe the ship as a "city of lights." By this point, his whole backyard is lit up and his neighbors start to notice it, too. They all trickle out one by one, curious to see what in the world is going on. But the longer everyone stands there watching, the more frightened Dennis becomes.

• 6:17Yvette Gentile?

  I feel this is pretty common in UFO sightings, like people report feeling this intense sensation of calm wash over them, or they have this impending feeling of doom.

• 6:30Rasha Pecoraro?

  Plus, he still doesn't know what this object is. Although one thing's for sure, he definitely doesn't want to be anywhere near this bad boy when it lands. The good news is the craft eventually keeps moving through the sky. It drifts out over the highway a few miles away, and there it causes this massive traffic jam, which proves this isn't just in Dennis's head. So many people spot this thing that they literally slam on their brakes to gawk at it. And again, many of them say the same thing as Dennis. It hovers over the road for a little bit, then eventually it moves on, just drifts away until it's out of sight.

• 7:13Yvette Gentile?

  It almost sounds like this UFO is watching the people in the Hudson Valley. I mean, I don't know, maybe even studying them, which would definitely be scary, but maybe not that concerning if it were, say, a one-off incident. Only, it's not, because about a week goes by before the craft, or another one just like it, comes back to the Hudson Valley again.

• 7:42Yvette Gentile?

  And it's unclear to me if Dennis was part of this sighting since it happened a little further south of him, but I know it was spotted by a ton of other people on March 24th. Many of the accounts come from Westchester County, New York, which is only about 30 miles north of Manhattan. And similar to Dennis, many of the eyewitnesses seem pretty credible. We're talking about an on-duty police officer on traffic patrol, a computer programmer from IBM, plus about 20 other commuters. And once again, they all end up gridlocked on the highway because they are in complete and utter awe over this thing,

• 8:26Yvette Gentile?

  basically hypnotized by it. And that police officer that I just mentioned actually calls her dispatcher to ask what the heck is going on. And the operator is like, "I don't know, but I'm getting reports about it from all over town." And based on those reports, it seems the object first appears in the town of Newcastle, New York. Then it makes its way to another community just a few miles west, and that town's called Millwood. After that, the dispatcher hears it's moving north to a place called Yorktown. So an officer with the Yorktown Police Department named Kevin Soravilla gets assigned to go check it out.

• 9:08Yvette Gentile?

  He's told to drive out to where the UFO's been sighted and investigate a bit, see if he can rule out anything. Well, Kevin barely gets two steps out of the station before he sees it himself. In the sky, there's this massive vessel. To Kevin, it looks like it's 300 or 400 yards wide, which, by the way, that's like three or four football fields. Now, he doesn't say what color or shape it is, because all he's looking at is what's behind it. A huge line of about 16 to 18 lights, and they're in a V-shaped formation, which to

• 9:53Yvette Gentile?

  him makes it seem like a second craft might be following right behind the first one. Kevin's partner, Officer William Wolfe Jr., also spots it, and despite what he's seen, he starts looking for some rational explanation for it all. He turns to Kevin and he tells him something like, "Well, there's an airport nearby, so obviously that must be a line of planes waiting to land." But hello, Kevin's not buying it, and neither would I. And the other thing is, these things are completely silent, unlike any airplane he's ever seen come through this flight path before. Kevin can't tell what they are, and neither can the rest of the town, because over the

• 10:36Yvette Gentile?

  next few hours, reports keep pouring in, all of which are pretty consistent. They describe the same thing, like something triangular, massive, and covered in lights. It flies low to the ground, and when it's not hovering, it's moving pretty slowly. I don't know, maybe 60 miles an hour or so? By the end of the night, more than 300 people in the valley report the incident.

• 11:05Rasha Pecoraro?

  But the sightings don't stop here. As the weeks, months, and then years go on, more reports start to file in all throughout the Hudson Valley. And a ton of other people report seeing massive rainbow-like colored craft too, just like the one that Dennis first saw on March 17. But others describe something more like a flying ship that's boomerang-shaped, similar to what Officer Kevin Soravila and his partner saw. Some reports describe craft that look like giant triangles, or saucers, or cigar-shaped cylinders. One woman sees a ship that looks like a four-leaf clover. From the sound of things, the Hudson Valley is chock-full of unidentified flying objects.

• 11:50Rasha Pecoraro?

  And all of them look pretty different from one another.

• 11:54Yvette Gentile?

  And according to the book Hudson Valley UFOs by researcher and former scientist Linda Zimmerman, the valley may just be the most active area in the whole United States. And there has to be a reason for that, right? Like, something must be attracting UFOs to the region. But to figure out what that reason is, we have to look at some of the earliest sightings, which weren't from the 1980s, the 1970s, or even the 1960s. They actually dated much earlier, even before Roswell in 1947. I'm talking about unidentified craft

• 12:34Yvette Gentile?

  that were documented in the Hudson Valley more than a century ago.

• 12:47Rasha Pecoraro?

  So according to research scientist Linda Zimmerman, people were seeing strange unidentified craft in the sky as early as July of 1909.

• 12:57Rasha Pecoraro?

  And a ton of them were concentrated in the tri-state area around the Hudson Valley.

• 13:03Yvette Gentile?

  Unfortunately, we don't have many specific details about these sightings because the newspaper accounts back then were pretty vague. But what I can tell you is this. Back then, seeing anything in the sky that wasn't a bird was pretty uncommon. Consider this. Y'all know who Orville and Wilbur Wright are. A hello, the Wright brothers. So they had the historic first flight, which happened six years earlier in 1903. By 1909, there were no commercial planes available yet, and only daredevils and inventors bothered to build or fly these things. But here's where things get really spicy.

• 13:47Yvette Gentile?

  The unidentified craft, the one spotted in July of 1909, well, they only appeared at night, which means they definitely weren't airplanes. Aircraft in those days were still really basic. I mean, they crashed a lot, even in ideal conditions, like on bright sunny days with clear skies and good weather. Hardly anyone dared to fly after dark. And in fact, the very first nighttime flight on record didn't happen until a year later in 1910.

• 14:24Rasha Pecoraro?

  Plus, the unidentified crafts that were reported around this time were moving way too fast to be planes. The reports from the time don't specify how quick they were flying, just that it was quicker than any known aircraft from that time.

• 14:39Yvette Gentile?

  But let's just say for a second, there were some daredevils flying around the Hudson Valley at night. Okay, and also, let's say for the sake of an argument, that they caught a good breeze and managed to zip around a little faster than usual. An airplane's maximum flight time would still cap out at about an hour. They couldn't carry enough fuel to stay airborne much longer than that. But witnesses said they saw these lights in the sky for a lot longer than just one hour.

• 15:09Rasha Pecoraro?

  Which is one of the reasons I'm convinced those 1909 sightings were not planes. Absolutely not.

• 15:15Yvette Gentile?

  Same, same, Russia. And those sightings may have been the first, but we know that they weren't the last. They seemed to kick off a wave of unexplained events. Every few years after that, there were reports of UFOs around the Hudson Valley.

• 15:32Rasha Pecoraro?

  And one of the more notable ones happened on April 11th, 1949. That day, a woman was driving around with her husband in the valley town of Wallkill, New York. And that's when she saw what initially looked like an airplane surrounded by flames.

• 15:49Yvette Gentile?

  And later that same year, on July 22nd, a woman went hiking in Pete's Hill, New York, which is also in the valley. And she was with her teenage daughter and a friend when they saw a pair of flying saucers. They were white, about the size of a full moon, and they seemed to be spinning rapidly.

• 16:08Rasha Pecoraro?

  Just a week later, on the 28th, a witness saw another flying saucer in Tolman, New York, about 25 miles southwest of the sighting you just mentioned, Yvette. But this one had a tail, kind of like a comet. The man who reported it was an official who worked at West Point Military Academy. So again, someone who is considered pretty credible.

• 16:30Yvette Gentile?

  Well, with such an overwhelming amount of reports coming out of the region, the government had to take notice. And eventually, it sparked a government investigation led by officials from Project Blue Book. And I know that you've probably heard our episode on Project Blue Book. But if you haven't, or you just want to give it another listen, we'll drop a link to it in the show notes. From 1947 to 1969, the US government had an official program for investigating UFO sightings. Just think of it as the real-life X-Files.

• 17:07Rasha Pecoraro?

  Except Project Blue Book wasn't just about investigating UFOs. A big part of the program was debunking them too. Coming up with any alternative explanation they could find to literally sweep things under the rug. And of course, to assure the public that these craft were not from outer space.

• 17:26Yvette Gentile?

  Sure enough, the Blue Book agents dismissed each and every Hudson Valley report. They wrote them off as meteors or research balloons. Honestly, it's the same thing we always hear when it comes to UFO sightings. Just excuse after excuse, all in an attempt to say, "Nothing to see here. You don't have to pay attention to these gullible witnesses."

• 17:49Rasha Pecoraro?

  But despite their best efforts, the sightings kept happening. There were so many UFO encounters around the Hudson Valley in the 20th and 21st centuries that there's no way we could cover them all in just one episode.

• 18:03Yvette Gentile?

  Which brings me back to my initial question. What's so special about the Hudson Valley? Like, why do these ships keep going there?

• 18:14Rasha Pecoraro?

  And look, it's not just that UFOs keep coming back to this region, it's also that they keep reappearing to the same people there over and over again. Take this story from a man named Scott. He grew up in Brewster, New York. That's the same town where Dennis Sant lived, the guy who said he saw the "City of Lights craft hovering over his house on March 17, 1983." Like Dennis, Scott is at home on that same evening. He's alone, watching TV, when he sees some weird light flashing through his blinds. He gets up and he goes outside to get a better look. And once he's in the yard, guess what he spots? A massive

• 18:56Rasha Pecoraro?

  flying triangle. According to him, it's the size of two or three football fields. Sound familiar? So while his sighting occurred the same date as Dennis's, his description is actually closer to the account from Kevin, the police officer who saw the craft in Yorktown a week later. Scott looks away for just a second, and the vessel flies off. As far as I can tell, it's the last time Scott ever sees the ship. But it's not the first time he's seen it. He also saw a UFO when he was younger. In the 1970s, when Scott was just a little boy living in Brewster, he was out driving with his mom when they saw some lights hovering above their car.

• 19:38Rasha Pecoraro?

  Now Scott was too young to remember many details beyond that. But what's crazy is, he's not the only repeat witness.

• 19:47Yvette Gentile?

  Yeah, not by a long shot. Take this story from Joan Naylor. Joan says she saw a craft for the first time in either the late 1970s or early 80s. She and her husband were at a reservoir near Yorktown Heights, New York, when they saw something flash in the sky. Their first thought was that it was a shooting star or a comet. I mean, it was actually bright enough to illuminate the rest of the sky around it. Except then, it did something that comets and shooting stars never do. It changed direction. It flew right over Joan and her husband's car, and then it zoomed to the other side of the reservoir.

• 20:29Yvette Gentile?

  As it was passing overhead, Joan got a closer look at it. It was a massive flying triangle. And she said that it looked like each edge was somewhere between 200 and 300 feet long. And naturally, it was covered in lights. After this sighting, Joan called the police to report what had happened. But the officials acted like they didn't want to hear about it. They basically, as usual, shrugged her off. And so did the reporters for the local paper. But Joan knew what she'd seen, and she knew that it was newsworthy. So for the next few days, she skimmed the headlines, hoping someone else would back up what she saw.

• 21:10Yvette Gentile?

  She did find one brief write-up about a week later, but nothing beyond that. Though it didn't end there for Joan. Because once you see something like this, it sticks in your head forever. And just like Scott, she went on to have a second encounter with a UFO. This one was roughly four decades later in 2009, when they moved to another small Hudson Valley town called Gardner. On an October night at about 2:00 a.m., she and her husband were driving to the airport to catch a red-eye flight. And that's when a brilliant glow swooped right over their car. It was bright enough that Joan could see everything inside her vehicle clearly, like it was in the middle of the day.

• 21:56Yvette Gentile?

  It sat there for about 10 seconds. Then it just zipped over the mountains and disappeared from sight.

• 22:03Rasha Pecoraro?

  But there's still one more repeat witness we have to cover. The woman who literally wrote the book on the Hudson Valley UFOs, Linda Zimmerman. Back when she was a college student in the Hudson Valley, she got an unexpected phone call late one night from someone who lived nearby. They told her to go outside and look up at the sky because something bizarre was going on in the area. So Linda grabbed her boyfriend and some friends, and they all ran outside. As soon as they stepped out the front door, three brilliant white lights washed over them. They were so bright that Linda couldn't see anything except for their glow.

• 22:43Rasha Pecoraro?

  But that experience only lasted a few seconds before the object, or objects, flew away. However, Linda was not about to let this opportunity pass her by. She and her friends hopped into a car, hoping to chase these things down. After a long drive to a remote state park, Linda got another good view of the lights. Then they started flying towards one another. One was zipping down from the north, another came from the east, and the last one was from the south. For a moment, Linda was terrified. She was worried she was about to see a violent midair collision. But instead, when the three lights came together,

• 23:27Rasha Pecoraro?

  it resulted in a striking glow that was blue-green in color, and it lit up the entire sky. It took a while for Linda's eyes to adjust, but once they did, she realized that there had been no explosion like she was afraid of. Those three ships had combined into one large craft, which then appeared to land on a nearby hill. The whole situation made absolutely no sense to Linda, but she knew it was something she would never forget.

• 23:58Yvette Gentile?

  And years later, in 1988, Linda had a similar experience during the wave of Hudson Valley UFO sightings. But this time, she claimed the ship looked a lot like what other witnesses had described. It was ginormous. I'm talking at least the size of a football field. And of course, there were lights on it, all arranged in a V shape.

• 24:23Rasha Pecoraro?

  And obviously, we could go on and on about this for days, but I think you get the point. There are plenty of people in the Hudson Valley who have seen these ships not just once, but multiple times. So to me, the real question is, are these ETs handpicking people to show themselves to? Or are these multiple sightings just a big coincidence? I mean, when you've got sightings rolling in by the thousands, it's almost inevitable that some people will be repeats.

• 24:57Yvette Gentile?

  It's hard to know for sure, but get this. There's one theory that was put out there after the mass sighting in 1983 by a group of pilots, who said that they could confirm the Hudson Valley UFOs were being flown by Martians, just not in the way you might expect.

• 25:25Rasha Pecoraro?

  In 1983, a group of pilots said they could explain the mass UFO sightings in the Hudson Valley with no problem. Because according to them, the lights were undeniably... Airplanes.

• 25:39Yvette Gentile?

  A bunch of airplanes, actually, that were flying in a very tight V-shaped formation. And they knew this because, well, they were the ones flying them. They also said some pilots even attached extra lights to their vehicles just to, I don't know, spice things up a bit. That way from the ground, it looked like a lot of lights attached to a large craft, rather than a dozen or so normal-sized planes flying together.

• 26:09Rasha Pecoraro?

  And if you're wondering why anyone would go through all of this trouble, well, I'm right there with you. But they had an answer for that, too. The pilots said it was just a practical joke. They were bored, they had access to airplanes, and they wanted to mess with people. Specifically, they wanted to create a fake UFO, which meant the entire sighting was a hoax. And get this, the pranksters even gave themselves a unique nickname: the Martians.

• 26:38Yvette Gentile?

  But there's a lot of reasons this doesn't add up. First of all, there's no way that several witnesses would mistake a bunch of small planes for one huge ship, especially not one the size of several football fields, hovering directly over someone's house. And then there's the timing. The Hudson Valley has been crawling with UFOs since 1909. And obviously, the Martians haven't been pulling pranks that long. Not to mention, the Martians share a list of the exact dates and times they were flying. And guess what? Most of them don't line up with the sightings at all. In fact, two-thirds of the UFO reports

• 27:22Yvette Gentile?

  were from nights when the Martians stayed home.

• 27:25Rasha Pecoraro?

  Well, just to be sure, UFO researcher Linda Zimmerman ran a test to see if the theory about airplanes in tight formation made any sense, at least for some of the sightings. And to do so, she found a group of pilots who were willing to recreate the Martians' flights. They even used some of the same type of airplanes, called ultralights.

• 27:46Rasha Pecoraro?

  The first thing Linda noticed during her experiment was that the ultralights were super loud. I mean, almost deafening, which meant that there was no way anyone could possibly confuse them with the giant silent craft seen in the Hudson Valley. She also noticed that the pilots had a really hard time holding their V shape. Even a gentle breeze was enough to blow them slightly off course. By the end of her test, Linda was confident that the 1983 sightings could not possibly have been a hoax by the Martians.

• 28:21Yvette Gentile?

  Especially because Hudson Valley officials eventually told the Martians straight up, they had to stop playing these practical jokes. They were way too distracting to drivers, and they kept causing traffic jams. And it was only a matter of time until someone ended up getting in an accident while they were watching the lights in the sky. So the Martian said, "Okay, we'll stop. No more nighttime flights." But even after that, there were still sightings of strange lights over the Hudson Valley. I mean, this whole theory is so bonkers, it's so out there, you've got to wonder why anyone would bother to suggest

• 29:01Yvette Gentile?

  something so ridiculous. Unless, of course, this was orchestrated by some higher government power, one that's trying to hide the fact that aliens are visiting us after all.

• 29:14Rasha Pecoraro?

  Well, get this. In March of 1987, during that massive UFO wave, and four years after the Martians stopped their pranks, there's another unexplained phenomenon going on in the Hudson Valley that might offer us some insight. Reportedly, some residents are going out on hikes and walks, especially on the natural limestone cliffs near the New York Connecticut border. And as they're strolling around, they notice sounds from underground.

• 29:44Yvette Gentile?

  Okay, so this is interesting because as it turns out, there's a massive network of caves that run under the Hudson Valley. And I have to say, before we started research for this episode, I had never heard of this. But what I found is that some of these naturally occurring tunnels are pretty well disguised. And that's thanks to waterfalls that run over their entrances.

• 30:10Rasha Pecoraro?

  But according to a ufologist named William Henry, some of these subterranean chambers are big enough that you could actually fit something like an entire military base inside of them. I mean, think about it. It would be the perfect hiding place. From ground level, you wouldn't see a single hint of what's happening just beneath your feet. Here's the thing, though. William doesn't think those bases are operated by our own government. Instead, he thinks they may actually be hubs for intergalactic travelers. Like, according to him, there's probably a whole fleet of UFOs down there. Can you believe it?

• 30:50Yvette Gentile?

  I actually can, Rosh. And that could also explain why some witnesses saw boomerang-shaped craft, while others saw crafts that were cylinders. What if there were a ton of spaceships coming to and from the caverns?

• 31:05Rasha Pecoraro?

  And that also fits with Linda Zimmerman's account. Because remember, she saw three craft combined into one, then land on a distant hilltop. So maybe those ships weren't landing on ground, but instead descending into a cave opening on their way home to the base.

• 31:25Yvette Gentile?

  Okay, Rasha, you know that I get super excited when I think about this. So I want to dive a little deeper here. Let's say aliens do have an underground hub beneath the Hudson Valley. Like, what are they doing there? Are they planning, I don't know, to invade the Earth at some point? Or are they actually cooperating with our officials?

• 31:46Rasha Pecoraro?

  That's an amazing question. I mean, I feel like it's the question of every UFO episode that we do. Especially because these UFOs still have a vested interest in the Hudson Valley today. Like, what is so special about the Hudson Valley? We opened this episode by talking about that huge wave of drone sightings that started a few months ago in November of 2024. The earliest reports were mostly from New Jersey, but it didn't take long for them to cross state lines and make their way into New York, specifically the Hudson Valley. We know that they were in the valley as early as Thursday, December 12th. That's when eyewitnesses began calling 911 to report the craft that

• 32:30Rasha Pecoraro?

  they were seeing. But the next day, on the 13th, there were a ton of reports around the valley's New York Stewart International Airport. There were actually so many reports that they had to ground all of their flights for about an hour because they were too afraid of in-air collisions. And I know there's a lot going on in the world right now with in-air collisions. And I can say, I don't know if many of you know, I'm a full-time podcaster, part-time flight attendant, and safety is the number one priority of every person in aviation. So for them to close the airport and ground planes for an hour is huge. Even after all of this and the precautions the airport took, the reports

• 33:14Rasha Pecoraro?

  kept pouring in. By the next Tuesday, December 17th, more than 5,000 locals had notified officials saying they'd seen drones in the Hudson Valley.

• 33:25Yvette Gentile?

  The vessels seemed to be the most active between sunset and 11:00 PM. The people who saw them thought they looked to be the size of a sedan or even an SUV. And basically, that means that they were a lot bigger than your typical drones. But they were also way smaller than those massive craft that were reported in the 1980s. But are these drones coming from another planet? Or are they ordinary Earth-made craft? Like, which is it?

• 33:57Rasha Pecoraro?

  Well, that is the million dollar question. Like we mentioned earlier, the government is now claiming that they're not enemies or foreign craft, that they may just be normal hobbyists out there flying their own drones. They also say they were authorized by the Federal Aviation Administration. And Yvette, you know I don't buy that at all.

• 34:18Yvette Gentile?

  And you know that I don't buy that either. I've said it once, and I'll say it again. It just doesn't add up for me. For weeks after the sightings, the FAA prohibited drone flights over New Jersey to try and rule some theories out. And now they're saying those drones were authorized by the FAA. I mean, we got a lot of conflicting information here. Plus, Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Dayton, Ohio supposedly closed their airspace to try and zero in on the threat, which I don't think they would have done if these drones were FAA authorized.

• 34:59Rasha Pecoraro?

  Of course, the FAA wouldn't have done that. There's something going on here for sure. Plus, there's one thing I can't stop thinking about. Remember what Ashley said at the start of the episode about how some drones have been known to collide with one another before descending to the ground? Tell me that doesn't sound exactly like Linda Zimmerman sighting back when she saw those three vessels combine and dip down into the distance.

• 35:24Yvette Gentile?

  Coincidence? Hello, I think not.

• 35:29Yvette Gentile?

  In late January 2025, there came another huge uptick in drone sightings. Even though many news outlets were tired of the story, reports were still pouring in from all over New York and New Jersey. And you guys, this is the part where we need to go down some adjacent rabbit holes because we can't end this episode without talking about some of the other bizarre incidents that have happened around the same time as these latest sightings, all which beg the question, what's the connection, if any? And for the love of God, can someone from the DOD or the DOJ please come out and tell us what's really going on?

• 36:14Yvette Gentile?

  I think we can all agree that the Hudson Valley was and still very much is this hotbed of supernatural activity based on everything we know about its history. But it's time to talk about other supernatural occurrences that have been shifting the conversation and fast, and none of the media seem to be taking it seriously. If you've been anywhere near drone talk lately, you know exactly what we're talking about. There's a growing number of people online, especially one very vocal Bethany Frankel, that are absolutely convinced something big is happening in our skies.

• 36:53Rasha Pecoraro?

  Like drones, radioactive material, chemical fog, orbs. There's just a whole lot of things getting thrown at us just to desensitize us and distract us from something bigger. Yep, you heard me right. If none of this is making sense, it's because I think we need Bethany here with us to unpack it all.

• 37:13Yvette Gentile?

  Yes, please, Bethany, if you're listening, we'd love to have you on the show. We need to know the lowdown, and it sounds like you have got some insider info. Bethany's been so vocal on this topic to the point where she claimed in one of her TikTok videos that she was silenced, censored, if you will, on TikTok because of it. She's come out and said she doesn't feel like enough people are obsessed about this because it's, it's just so hard to digest. So I think it's time we break down some of her biggest claims.

• 37:49Rasha Pecoraro?

  Starting with the idea that the drones spotted in late 2024 into 2025 aren't alien technology. One of the first things that Bethany said is that according to a very well-connected source, someone whose father worked on secret Pentagon and NASA projects, these drones aren't alien at all, they're actually ours.

• 38:14Yvette Gentile?

  And the times they've been spotted like crazy in the sky, they've obviously been searching for something, which could explain the dozens of reports where they were seen moving in grid-like patterns, even flying in coordinated packs. But what are they searching for? The thing is, nobody knows. Bethany did hint about the possibility of these being radioactive material. She even started talking about possible radiation spikes in the areas where these drones were appearing. And now, this is just speculation. But after that, some claim radiation monitoring websites were crashed or scrubbed, all after Bethany was talking about it.

• 39:00Rasha Pecoraro?

  But here's where things get even weirder. Because around the same time as these drones started showing up, people also started reporting a mysterious fog. And not just any fog, fog with a chemical smell. And it seemed to have rolled in after this heavy drone activity. Bethany was quick to point out that back in the 1920s, technology that could create artificial fog over large areas was created, patented, whatever. And if that's already existed for practically a century, I can only imagine what can be done now.

• 39:36Yvette Gentile?

  If you guys weren't on the conspiracy train before, buckle up, y'all. Because Bethany's also said these drones aren't the only things appearing in the sky.

• 39:49Rasha Pecoraro?

  Yeah, she's talked about orbs and plasmoids, these strange glowing objects that have historically appeared at high-stress sites, things like nuclear sites. But in this context, right around the same time and places the drones. Whether these orbs and plasmoids are spiritual, or scientific, or even man-made, well, that's a whole other spiral. But Bethany has raised another possibility for all of this supernatural activity. And that's that these drones could be working with, hiding, or even monitoring something not human.

• 40:28Yvette Gentile?

  And Bethany says she's gotten insider info that these events are just some of the many that have and will continue to occur, for what reason or purpose other than to desensitize us and distract us from something bigger. Again, nobody knows. And if your mind is absolutely blown right now, well, trust me, we are right there with you. But there's more that needs to play out and come to light so that we can finally make sense of it all. For now, I think our main takeaways are this. There's clearly something

• 41:08Yvette Gentile?

  supernatural going on in the Hudson Valley that's attracted UFO activity for years. And there's possibly also something far bigger, even perhaps more sinister going on. Something we can't possibly imagine or even grasp right now. But it feels as though it's just a matter of time. As to whether we'll ever get a clear answer from our government on any of this, well, we're not holding our breath. But one thing's for sure, the truth is out there, and we're not gonna stop until we find it.

• 41:58Rasha Pecoraro?

  This is So Supernatural, an AudioChuck original, produced by Crime House. You can connect with us on Instagram at So Supernatural Pod and visit our website at sosupernaturalpodcast.com. Join Yvette and me next Friday for an all-new episode.

• 42:16Rasha Pecoraro?

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