Pod Insights SNAFU with Ed Helms What Went Wrong on the Hindenburg Luxury Airship (with Chelsea Handler) About this episode Chelsea Handler is a world traveler. Ed and Chelsea discover whether they're cut out for luxury Air Travel of the 1930's; the catch being it's aboard the infamous Hindenburg Zeppelin. Oh, the Humanity!
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2:35 Speaker 01 Welcome to Snafu, the show about history's greatest screw-ups, or shall we say, the real eye-opening disasters that kind of show us who we really are. I am your host, Ed Helms, and my guest today, and I honestly don't know any other way to say this. She's just a fucking badass. She's a hilarious stand-up actor, writer, TV host, podcaster, producer, and just general force of nature. She's written seven number-one New York Times bestsellers, which is, like, honestly obscene. Like, how do they even allow you to do that? Her latest book is "I'll Have What She's Having", which is yet another expression of her raw honesty, power, and zero tolerance for bullshit.
3:19 Speaker 01 She hosts the incredibly popular advice podcast, Dear Chelsea, and her latest Netflix special was Chelsea Handler: The Feeling. She's one of the funniest people on the planet, and you probably know who I'm talking about. Welcome, Chelsea Handler.
3:36 Speaker 00 Hi.
3:37 Speaker 01 Howdy.
3:38 Speaker 00 Good morning, good afternoon, good evening.
3:40 Speaker 01 Yes, to all of our listeners, whatever time of day you are downloading this. What's happening? How are you?
3:47 Speaker 00 I'm well, thank you, Ed. How are you doing?
3:50 Speaker 01 I'm pretty splendid, I have to say. I mean, the world is burning down, but I'm trying to stay positive. I'm in this like, deep state of denial. And so I'm just saying I'm great.
4:01 Speaker 00 I too am also trying to remain positive. But, yes, it's very interesting. I find myself dipping in and out of the news, but when I dip in, I feel so guilty for not having, for having dipped out, that I can't, then it's a vicious, vicious cycle. I feel like I'm much better suited to handle the issues when I'm not reading about them all day.
4:23 Speaker 01 Yeah.
4:23 Speaker 00 But when so many people are impacted, it's impossible not to want to know what's happening. So it's a, it's a good thing to be optimistic. There's that.
4:31 Speaker 01 I also feel like when you dip into things by yourself, like if you kind of get into the news, or you get into the social media, sort of like, black hole by yourself, it's just like despair. You don't, whereas if you kind of engage with other people, or if you're in a larger conversation, whether it's a dinner party, or just a whatever, then at least you can commiserate and feel like there's, I don't know, more humanity to the whole situation.
5:00 Speaker 00 Yes, yes. It's very comforting to know other people, especially people in other countries, when they're as concerned, because I'm in Canada right now. I spent a long time here in the winter, and Canadians, immediately, whenever I'm at a dinner party, immediately just make a beeline for me going, what is going to happen? And I'm like, uh, but it makes me feel, it's heartwarming to know so many other people are as concerned about our country as we are.
5:28 Speaker 01 I don't think there's any question how you feel, Chelsea Handler.
5:31 Speaker 00 Yeah, I know.
5:33 Speaker 01 That's part of what's amazing about you. You crush it in so many different disciplines. Does any particular kind of outlet come more easily to you, or feel like sort of the most natural fit, whether it's writing books, or doing stand-up, or hosting, like your podcasts, like which one is kind of like, the most?
5:54 Speaker 01 Easy fit.
5:55 Speaker 00 You know, if I do the same thing over and over again, I have a low tolerance for that. So everything's a little bit different than the other thing. Like, writing a book is a lot different than my stand-up, even though they're both storytelling. My podcast is like me giving advice to people that are calling in. So, real people, I love communicating with real people. There's overlap with that doing stand-up. You know, I'm about to start this tour this month called the High and Mighty Tour, where I get to see and, you know, have like, you know, live audiences and thousands of people and you're right in front of them. And that also means a lot to me, too, definitely during times like this that we're experiencing, when you can get up and really look out into the crowd and see definitely two strangers who definitely did not arrive together, laughing together and rubbing shoulders together. Like, that makes me feel purposeful.
6:40 Speaker 01 Is touring hard? Is it fun? Is it like, I'm sure it's all those things, but what's the...
6:46 Speaker 00 It's tiring to travel all of the time and to go to a different city each day, but I'm so used to this. You know, I've been doing this my whole life, that I operate the best out of a hotel room. That's when I'm peaking. It's when I get back to my house where I start to go, wait, wait, where is everything? I've grown so accustomed to being on the road that it's really not a big deal for me. I could tolerate a lot more travel than, than your average person.
7:08 Speaker 01 Yeah, it's just like whatever patterns you get into, you just want to kind of stay in that. All right, well, the subject of today, it's interesting we're talking about travel, because the subject of today's snafu is about that. I'm really psyched to have you on the show, so I wanted to pick something really sort of juicy and iconic. This one's pretty epic and memorable. Today, we're going to take a ride on the Hindenburg.
7:34 Speaker 00 Oh.
7:34 Speaker 01 Oh, yeah, yeah, that big ol', yeah.
7:37 Speaker 00 Very sexual.
7:40 Speaker 01 It is the most phallic snafu in the repertoire. What do you remember or know about the Hindenburg disaster?
7:47 Speaker 00 Oh, God, the Hindenburg is a German ship that was sunk? Was, was it sunk?
7:54 Speaker 01 It did crash.
7:56 Speaker 00 Okay, so no.
7:57 Speaker 01 Yes, essentially, it sunk from the sky.
8:00 Speaker 00 Okay, so great.
8:06 Speaker 01 First, I'm gonna ground you with a little bit of airship history. So we're gonna go back to the 1930s, which was the golden age of zeppelins. Now, a zeppelin is a large, rigid airship. It is not to be confused with a blimp, which is basically just like a big balloon. Think of it as like a blimp is soft and a zeppelin has structure. So in aviation terms, a zeppelin is like an erect blimp.
8:32 Speaker 00 An erect blimp, okay. And that but a passenger carrier.
8:35 Speaker 01 Yes, well, they're used for all kinds of things that they can like they started out in World War I. They were actually used for bombing missions and reconnaissance. But it was all it all originated in Germany by a German inventor, Count Ferdinand von Zeppelin in the late 1800s.
8:54 Speaker 00 I wonder why Led Zeppelin, the band, didn't name themselves Von Zeppelin?
8:58 Speaker 01 I love this. You you just brought up such a cool little nugget of music history, which is that I believe it was Keith Moon from The Who, who was making fun of Jimmy Page when he first because Jimmy Page put this band together and they were originally called the New Yardbirds, I think.
9:14 Speaker 00 That's a terrible name, Yardbirds.
9:16 Speaker 01 It's a terrible name. And then Keith Moon and The Who was like, yeah, you guys will go down like a lead balloon. And so Jimmy Page just thought that was hilarious and decided to call the band Led Zeppelin.
9:30 Speaker 00 Um, on terms of back to The Who for a second, I just want to make a quick shout out to The Who because I went to go see a show of theirs at the Hollywood Bowl a few months ago. And who is the lead singer of The Who? Daltrey?
9:40 Speaker 01 Roger Daltrey, yeah.
9:42 Speaker 00 Roger Daltrey is like 80 something years old, or I mean, something like that. He's old and he is out there with his little nugget body and his little belly with his like stonewashed Levi's on and his, you know, high heeled Reeboks, whatever these old guys who are still performing at this level.
9:58 Speaker 01 Hoka's, he's probably wearing Hoka's.
10:02 Speaker 00 Oh, fucking hokas. Honestly, it's enough with the hokas. I can't take it. Anyway, he was with, wearing his hokas. You've got a pair on right there.
10:10 Speaker 01 I have to. I have plantar fasciitis.
10:12 Speaker 00 The most exciting thing about this Hindenburg so far is that there will be no hokas mentioned about this because it was too soon. And he was swinging, in lieu of dancing, because he can't really dance anymore. He was swinging his microphone around. It was the, it was one of the best shows I've ever been to. And Roger Daltrey was just like, just screaming and jumping on the stage, going, "Who are you? Who, who?" And I was like, this guy, I'm attracted to this guy. Like, I was attracted at his tenacity, at his passion for his music. I mean, I've seen Springsteen perform at this age, you know, similar ages.
10:47 Speaker 01 Yeah.
10:47 Speaker 00 It's pretty impressive what these guys are up to. And I would like to know exactly what peptides and blood transfusions they all have access to.
10:55 Speaker 01 That's awesome. I'm so glad to hear that. That's, and it's, it's like Mick Jagger, right? The guy can just still move and groove at, and he's like 900 at this point.
11:05 Speaker 00 Yeah, I mean, he's, I don't know, nobody can even keep track. He's already aged out of what we're keeping track of age-wise.
11:11 Speaker 01 All right, well, let's get a little more specific about what a zeppelin is. It's basically a fabric-covered metal framework of transverse rings and longitudinal girders, kind of like a big metal rib cage. And inside are a number of bladders filled with either hydrogen or helium gas, because those are both significantly lighter than air. However, only one of those gases is also highly flammable. And which one is that? Well, let's just say there's a reason we don't give kids hydrogen balloons at parties. So, at first, Germany used zeppelins as bombers and scouting craft during World War I, as I mentioned before. And they were surprisingly effective, but not everyone was buying the zeppelin hype.
11:54 Speaker 01 One very early hater was Orville Wright. In 1909, The New York Times ran an article titled, "Wright Sees No Hope in Zeppelin Airship." And I mean, come on, he's the inventor of the airplane. Of course, he's gonna shit on a rival.
12:09 Speaker 00 Absolutely.
12:10 Speaker 01 Air travel, right? Right, come on. Would you ride in a, in a, in like a blimp? Is that something that would be cool?
12:16 Speaker 00 Yeah, I'm not scared of any sort of height, air travel type thing, situation. The higher, the better is my theory.
12:21 Speaker 01 I was researching this story and I, and I got so into the idea of riding in a blimp that I looked how you get tickets to ride on the Goodyear blimp.
12:32 Speaker 00 Uh huh. And are there tickets available for that?
12:34 Speaker 01 No, they're not. They're only like occasional sort of like buzz, you know, like the charity buzz auctions or whatever.
12:42 Speaker 00 Aren't blimps unmanned?
12:44 Speaker 01 Oh no, they have little.
12:46 Speaker 00 Men?
12:47 Speaker 01 They have, they have men. They have little men.
12:49 Speaker 00 Little men.
12:50 Speaker 01 Okay, so Count von Zeppelin died before World War I ended in 1917. The whole operation passed over to Hugo Eckner. Eckner was not into war blimps. He believed Zeppelins had enormous potential uh just in long distance travel. So he thought, he was like, these can become the slow, elegant, floating, luxurious cruisers of the sky.
13:14 Speaker 00 And that's a little bit too slow, even for World War I, no?
13:18 Speaker 01 It's not. These things were quick.
13:20 Speaker 00 How, how many miles per hour?
13:22 Speaker 01 They could get up to like 80 or 90 miles an hour.
13:25 Speaker 00 So, okay, so nothing close to what a plane can accomplish.
13:28 Speaker 01 But a lot faster than a ship. So when you're talking like transatlantic travel, the Hindenburg could cross the Atlantic in a couple of days as opposed to five or 10 days on a cruise ship.
13:41 Speaker 00 Okay.
13:42 Speaker 01 Yeah. They're, they're pretty cool, I have to say. So this guy who's taken over the company, he's like, I think we can do luxury air travel on these things. And that brings us to the Hindenburg, which was named after former German President Paul von Hindenburg. Construction began in 1931 and it was the biggest airship ever built. There had been actually a lot of airship work over the last 30 years. Like I said, they were used in World War I, but they were starting to be used for cargo and all these different kinds of things. This thing was over 800 feet long, which is basically like a small stadium size.
14:21 Speaker 00 Wow.
14:22 Speaker 01 Yeah.
14:22 Speaker 00 To get that up in the air is quite a feat.
14:25 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah. And there's, here's the, my favorite little dark detail. It was partially built using metal salvaged from another hydrogen airship that had already crashed, which is less like recycling and more like tempting fate, I think.
14:40 Speaker 00 Well, I mean, listen, recycling had to start at some point.
14:43 Speaker 01 Chelsea, why do we keep equating the biggest ever built with the best or like the smartest thing?
14:50 Speaker 00 I think that's a very American thing, even though we're talking about Germany right now. I feel like that's a very Western thing, right? The biggest and the best, rather than the most efficacious or the most, like, yeah, bigger is America, better is America. We need the tallest buildings. We need the skyscrapers. We need the biggest phones. Remember when phones first came out and they were like little flip phones and then all of a sudden you were talking on a fucking iPad?
15:13 Speaker 01 Yeah.
15:14 Speaker 00 Like, why? Why do they keep going around in circles? Just leave them small and manageable. But I don't know. I find that to be a very American thing and a very war thing.
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15:34 Speaker 00 Right. And now we have that Tesla truck that is loitering around everywhere. They're very ugly.
15:39 Speaker 01 Yeah, they give off to me Robocop vibes.
15:41 Speaker 00 Yeah.
15:42 Speaker 01 It's like, it's like 80s violence. It just looks like a violent vehicle.
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18:49 Speaker 01 So this Hindenburg, it was 800 feet long. It was absolutely massive, but it had a cabin. It so underneath was this sort of structure in which the crew and the passengers would ride. And it was really incredible. There it had private cabins, a dining room with fine crockery, two promenades with large observation windows, a bar and a lounge that featured a custom-built Blautner baby grand piano that was made from aluminum so that it would be a lot lighter. It was only 350 pounds.
19:24 Speaker 00 Okay, just for some modern reference, do we know how many feet a 747 is long?
19:29 Speaker 01 I love this question, and I wish I could pull it up.
19:32 Speaker 00 Probably 747 feet.
19:34 Speaker 01 Okay, Boeing 747 is 231 feet long.
19:40 Speaker 00 Okay, great.
19:41 Speaker 01 This is four times longer.
19:43 Speaker 00 And it sounds like it was before, I mean, obviously, this were when planes came on this closer to when planes came on the scene to begin with. So they weren't into stacking us like sardines in a plane. So they didn't know about that yet, which
19:55 Speaker 01 Yeah.
19:55 Speaker 00 which accounts for some of their luxury, like
19:58 Speaker 01 Yeah.
19:58 Speaker 00 the bar, the lounge.
20:00 Speaker 01 Sure.
20:00 Speaker 00 cabins, fine dining.
20:02 Speaker 01 It was so expensive to operate. They wanted to attract high-paying customers, kind of like, I mean,
20:09 Speaker 00 The Orient Express?
20:10 Speaker 01 Yeah, or the or the Titanic, which had like crazy first-class accommodations. For the wealthy passengers, the Hindenburg was essentially an airborne luxury hotels, graceful, glamorous, and effortlessly refined. One of my favorite details is that they had a smoking room on the Hindenburg, which seems insane because it was filled with hydrogen gas, which is highly explosive. But the smoking room was like this pressurized room. The room itself was pressurized so that nothing could leak into it. And the theory was if there's a hydrogen leak, it'll keep it from entering the smoking room and we'll be fine.
20:47 Speaker 00 Absolutely. Well, the Hindenburg and the Titanic, which, well, how many years apart were those two things? When was the Titanic?
20:53 Speaker 01 1912.
20:54 Speaker 00 1912. Okay, Titanic, 1912, 1930, and then 1913. Thirty one, we're talking. Okay, great.
20:59 Speaker 01 Yeah, so it's not like fresh.
21:02 Speaker 00 So both of them had great, great big plans and huge demises.
21:06 Speaker 01 Yes.
21:07 Speaker 00 So there are analogies in those ways.
21:09 Speaker 01 Totally. It's a, it's a very apt comparison and it's often made. Basically, they're both just a monument to human hubris. If you were to travel on a luxury airship for like three or four days, what do you bring with you?
21:24 Speaker 00 Well, probably LSD, definitely some microdosing. You know how I feel about that. I would have to have alcohol. I would have to have some LSD. I would bring like a really good book because I would definitely get a book done in that amount of time. I would enforce myself to read a book before I could really enjoy, you know, the luxury aspect. Because I feel like in order to have fun, I have to also put some stuff into my brain. So I would read a book and then I would start to party. And then I would mingle. I would, and I would bring a friend that I, hopefully I could either have sex with or just have a really good time with.
21:57 Speaker 01 That's a fricking perfect hot take. I love the idea of, of going on a zeppelin like this because they don't fly that high. Like you're, you're probably about a thousand feet up, maybe less. And so you can really see what's around you. And it's a really beautiful flow. People describe, people who rode in these airships described the ride as like very gentle and you're just floating. There's very little turbulence effect on the, the airship. It just feels like such a cool, special way to get around.
22:31 Speaker 00 I mean, not everybody loves helicopters. I'm aware of this. But I love a helicopter ride. And one of the reasons I love a helicopter ride is because you are so close to the ground that you can actually see the terrain and the topography of what you're flying over rather than see it from, you know, 30,000 feet in the sky. And so I was just on a helicopter two days ago. We went to these ice caves in Pemberton, north of Whistler. And so we took a helicopter ride through the mountains and you can spin around. And with helicopters, people think that they're so dangerous and, you know, they're probably right. But with a helicopter, you can land three different ways. You can land with your propeller. You can land anywhere pretty much on a mountain. You know, a plane can't, doesn't have the ability to. Land on the jagged edge of a mountain, whereas a helicopter can. And if the engines go out, you have the propeller. So that's like a good thing about helicopters.
23:16 Speaker 00 And also not being so high in the sky also really allows for a more enjoyable sightseeing adventure.
23:23 Speaker 01 Oh, for sure. Yeah, I am so with you. I love, love a helicopter ride. Okay, so finally, interesting detail about the Hindenburg. On the tail fins were a couple of massive swastikas. Yep.
23:36 Speaker 00 Whoopsie doo.
23:37 Speaker 01 Yeah, Hugo Eckner, actually, he had huge disagreements with the Nazis, but was apparently happy to take their money. And then when it was done, it actually became a massive symbol of Nazi pride.
23:50 Speaker 01 Here's the kicker, the Hindenburg was designed to be filled with helium, which is a very safe gas. But instead it was filled with hydrogen. This is because the US had locked down the global helium supply under the Helium Control Act of 1927.
24:07 Speaker 00 Who was trying to control the helium? What was, people were just using that at parties to get their voices high?
24:12 Speaker 01 You know, it has, I guess it has a lot of industrial uses or something. It was a hot commodity back in the day. It still is because it's a limited, there's only a finite amount of it.
24:22 Speaker 00 Of helium. Yeah, well, why are they putting it in balloons then? I mean, shouldn't we hold on to it?
24:26 Speaker 01 I agree. I agree. Why are we putting it in children's party balloons?
24:31 Speaker 00 First of all, we should get rid of balloons altogether.
24:33 Speaker 01 Yes.
24:33 Speaker 00 Balloons are terrible for the environment.
24:35 Speaker 01 Yes, they are.
24:36 Speaker 00 And I know we're watching the world end right now, but there's no reason to accelerate it beyond what we're already doing.
24:41 Speaker 01 Come on, humanity, let's do better. But evidently, and I don't know the reason why, but helium was, America had a stranglehold on the world helium supply, and they did not give it to anybody. The Hindenburg design was for helium, but then they were just like, I guess if we're not going to get helium, we'll just put hydrogen in there. And interestingly, that actually made it, gave it more lift. Hydrogen is a lighter gas than helium, so it gave the whole airship more lift. They were able to add more cabins to the Hindenburg for passengers. But it was a lot riskier. But they just decided like, hey, we're the Germans.
25:25 Speaker 01 We're like the kings of engineering. We've got this. We've got a lock on the safety protocols. It's going to be all good. So here's a picture. Let's take a look.
25:34 Speaker 00 Oh, I like that body type.
25:36 Speaker 01 You do? Alright.
25:37 Speaker 00 I like corpulent things, you know? Things that are a little bit heavy and thick around the middle.
25:43 Speaker 01 Alright.
25:43 Speaker 00 And also truncated a little bit.
25:44 Speaker 01 Go on.
25:45 Speaker 00 But that is, but that is, that is very long.
25:49 Speaker 01 Yeah, it's, it's, it's four 747s long.
25:53 Speaker 00 Wow, that's amazing that they were able to get that in the sky.
25:58 Speaker 01 Yeah, and here's, it's such a cool piece of engineering. You can definitely see the lateral struts through the skin of the blimp there.
26:07 Speaker 00 Yes.
26:07 Speaker 01 And then it also had these giant circular things inside. And the little gondola there is where the pilots operated. The rest of the cabins and crew facilities, so forth, were inside the belly of this tube. I think you can kind of see the observation windows sort of cut into the side there. They look like gills in the front.
26:33 Speaker 00 So the guy who's, the pilot is outside?
26:37 Speaker 01 Well, he's in that little gondola.
26:39 Speaker 00 But is he exposed to the elements?
26:42 Speaker 01 No, no, no, it's like a little cabin that's, that's hanging from under there.
26:46 Speaker 00 I'm like, this guy is just flying, yeah, flying free while everybody else is, okay. Wow.
26:52 Speaker 01 And then there, there were a series of bladders throughout the airship, filled with, with the gas. But there were catwalks and various ways that crew could kind of like maneuver around inside the zeppelin itself, which is really cool. And they would get to, you can also see the engines, the propellers off the side here, which were big diesel engines. And, and the crew could actually climb out onto those things and perform maintenance while in flight. So it was a really cool, just feat of design and engineering.
27:27 Speaker 00 Sounds like a great place for a birthday party.
27:29 Speaker 01 Yeah, right? It's like, do you want a helium balloon for your birthday party? Or do you want a ride in a fucking balloon? You want a ride in a giant one? Yeah, come on, let's do it.
27:44 Speaker 01 So we're gonna get to the disaster in a second, but a lot of people, a lot of people forget that the Hindenburg actually made a lot of successful flights before it actually crashed. So in 1936, the ship flew round trip across the Atlantic 17 times, including trips to both the US and Brazil. That same year, the Hindenburg made an appearance at the Berlin Summer Olympics. Nazi propaganda minister Joseph Garibals thought it would be a powerful symbol of German strength and technological superiority, which is an interesting take, given how this story ends. All this brings us to May of 1937. The Hindenburg sets off on a routine flight from Frankfurt, Germany to Lake Hurst, New Jersey. Onboard,
28:29 Speaker 01 we have 97 passengers and crew. Now, you might be wondering, how much does a ticket cost? It was $450 in 1937, which in today's dollars is about 10 grand.
28:39 Speaker 00 Wow.
28:40 Speaker 01 Yeah.
28:41 Speaker 00 That's almost exactly how much I'd like to pay for a flight.
28:44 Speaker 01 It's like a lot of first-class tickets on airplanes are in that zone.
28:48 Speaker 00 Yeah.
28:48 Speaker 01 Even like those, I haven't been on one yet, but I'm, I wanna, I wanna fly on one of those like Emirates cabins.
28:56 Speaker 00 Yeah.
28:57 Speaker 01 Where you just get your own frickin' hotel room.
28:59 Speaker 00 Your own bathroom. You get your own shower and bathroom. And then you get a bedroom in your room.
29:04 Speaker 01 Like, I just wanna make a round trip.
29:07 Speaker 00 Exactly.
29:07 Speaker 01 I don't even wanna get off the damn thing.
29:09 Speaker 00 You don't even wanna go to Singapore. You just wanna fly there and then fly back.
29:12 Speaker 01 I love long flights.
29:13 Speaker 00 Me too. I love, there's nothing that gets me more excited than a 10-plus hour flight.
29:19 Speaker 01 Oh, I love it. We're weird that way.
29:23 Speaker 00 I don't know. I mean, it's pretty luxurious.
29:25 Speaker 01 I also think, in this case, on the Hindenburg, if you're dropping 10 grand on a ticket, you shouldn't have to ask, "But will it explode?"
29:33 Speaker 00 Hmm.
29:34 Speaker 01 Which, uh...
29:36 Speaker 00 But you know, that's not the intention of the flight to have it explode. So obviously, you know, nobody is going to be like, yeah, there's a good chance this will explode.
29:45 Speaker 01 Yeah, no, it should. You should have a reasonable expectation that you're not going to explode. I feel like for that ticket price.
29:51 Speaker 00 Or a reasonable expectation that you'll be landing. You know, when you're on a plane and people clap when they land, when nothing untoward has happened.
29:58 Speaker 01 Yes.
29:59 Speaker 00 And you're like, this is an unnecessary reaction to what was supposed to be in the schedule.
30:04 Speaker 01 Right. So you're not, you don't support clapping for a pilot, for a successful landing.
30:09 Speaker 00 Not unless you're landing on the Hudson, like Sully, Sullenberger. Then, then that deserves a round of applause.
30:15 Speaker 01 Yeah. You guys, before we get off the plane, I just want to get, get in a round of applause for Sully. Oh my gosh.
30:22 Speaker 00 While we're standing on the wing that's floating in the Hudson River.
30:26 Speaker 01 Um, I still think any, any airplane landing is like kind of a miracle. It's like, I'm, I'm, I'm for, I'm all for like.
30:33 Speaker 00 You're for the clapping.
30:34 Speaker 01 Yeah, I'm for the clapping.
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33:37 Speaker 01 So, May 6th, 1937, the Hindenburg arrives in Lake Hurst Naval Air Station. And the weather is garbage. There's thunderstorms, delays, the Hindenburg circles for a while. This is, it's nothing unheard of, but the vibes are definitely off. So, finally, at 7:25 PM, the ship comes in to dock. It's an interesting process. In this instance, they were going to drop ropes from the, from the Zeppelin that would then be attached to winches and they kind of pull it down to the ground gently. It also has ballast tanks inside of it, full of water, which it can drop to change its sort of buoyancy in the sky. It's very cool
34:21 Speaker 01 technology. Anyway, it's coming in for the landing, it drops the winch cables, and then something just goes horribly wrong, and it's like the sky itself explodes. In just 34 seconds, the largest airship ever built turns into a catastrophic inferno, as it's still in the sky and it collapses down onto the airfield in a massive, massive explosion. It is truly an incredible thing to watch. You can Google the newsreel footage. It is, it is wild. We can look at a photo here.
34:57 Speaker 00 Oh.
34:58 Speaker 01 Yeah.
34:59 Speaker 00 You know what? That reminds me of the Challenger Space Shuttle, watching that implode.
35:03 Speaker 01 Yes, yes.
35:04 Speaker 00 Wow.
35:05 Speaker 01 So, in this picture, it looks like it's crashing into a tower. That's actually a, just in the foreground. The Zeppelin is way in the background of this photo. It's just simply exploding. This, I believe, is the same photo that Led Zeppelin used on their first album cover.
35:25 Speaker 00 Did they?
35:26 Speaker 01 Yeah.
35:27 Speaker 00 Really?
35:27 Speaker 01 Yeah, and apparently, the Zeppelin family estate was outraged by this and tried to sue Led Zeppelin or something. But yeah, this is the beginning of the explosion. It then sort of drops and hits the ground, and the whole thing is enveloped in flames. There are a lot of harrowing firsthand accounts of what went down. One passenger was thrown out a window by his mother and survived. A cabin boy was miraculously saved by a ruptured water tank, which ended up tipping over and drenching him so that he could then kick open a hatch and escape without burning.
36:05 Speaker 00 And did he survive?
36:06 Speaker 01 He did. There's a really famous radio recording of Herb Morrison was recording a broadcast during this. It became one of the most iconic disaster broadcasts of all time. It's where we get the phrase, "Oh, the humanity."
36:21 Speaker 00 Oh.
36:21 Speaker 01 This is what he shouts in real time as he's watching the Hindenburg crash. It's a really wild recording. I suggest Googling it because it's just such a fascinating little nugget of history. But he's sort of narrating in a very calm, like, "Oh, here we are in Lake Hurst, New Jersey with the famous Hindenburg dirigible coming in for a land." I mean, I'm making this up, but then all of a sudden, he's like, "Oh, no. Oh, the fire's starting. What is this? This is the worst catastrophe in humanity." And then he says, "Oh, the humanity." And that's like something people say to this day.
36:55 Speaker 00 Yeah, it is. It's interesting that that's how it was coined. "Oh, the humanity," because it's, "Oh," it's almost the opposite of humanity.
37:03 Speaker 01 What he thought he was witnessing was total loss. He thought everyone onboard the Hindenburg was just scorched. He was so mortified that he thought he was just witnessing a mass death. As we will learn, there were a lot of survivors, which is incredible. When you watch the footage, it's totally incredible.
37:24 Speaker 00 I would credit that with it not being a plane in the sky, don't you think? The proximity to the ground is a major factor. You could actually jump out.
37:33 Speaker 01 Oh, for sure. And it's a much more gentle process. The landing of a Zeppelin is like just sort of like a balloon coming down. And so it's inherently more, like, there's no high speed, all the things that make air travel so much more inherently dangerous.
37:51 Speaker 00 Now disaster happens. And there's no decency, a moment of decency where anybody can hold back their comments or actually mourn for the loss of a life.
38:03 Speaker 01 Yeah.
38:04 Speaker 00 It's just an attack. So, yeah. God, I never thought I would want to be around during the Hindenburg, but now you're making me melancholy and nostalgic.
38:11 Speaker 01 Well, that's what we do here at Snafu.
38:14 Speaker 00 I didn't even know exactly what the Hindenburg was when we started this podcast. So, look how far I've already come.
38:19 Speaker 01 I know. This is the fun. You get to come on and learn something, maybe have a few chuckles, and I might tug at your heartstrings a little bit. Who knows?
38:32 Speaker 01 Here's the wild part. Despite the scale of this disaster, which was huge, out of the 97 people onboard the Hindenburg, only 35 were killed. That's 13 passengers and 22 crew members. Now, there was also, one of the ground workers also perished, which brings the total to 36. Now, this is obviously still very tragic, but honestly, it's astonishing, given that photo we just looked at, right?
38:59 Speaker 00 Yeah, that's pretty incredible, that many people survived. Wow, I would never have guessed that.
39:04 Speaker 01 Yeah, it's totally incredible. So what actually happened? Why did it explode? The investigations that followed were murky. The US and Germany both had strong incentives not to take the blame. Germany pushed sabotage theories, quietly pointing to crew members. Others floated the idea that Hitler himself might have ordered it as a way to punish Hugo Eckner for being openly anti-Nazi. Most historians today agree there's no solid evidence for sabotage. No single cause was ever proven beyond doubt. The leading theory is that a static charge from the storm ignited a hydrogen leak somewhere in the zeppelin itself.
39:49 Speaker 00 Well, what was their reasoning for using the hydrogen rather than the helium? Because they didn't have access to the helium?
39:54 Speaker 01 Yeah, because we wouldn't give them any helium.
39:56 Speaker 00 Oh, okay, so it wasn't a secret that they used the hydrogen?
39:59 Speaker 01 No, no, no, they definitely chose to use the hydrogen and they, you know, they thought they had enough safety protocols in place. And to their credit, they had a lot of successful transatlantic flights with this thing.
40:14 Speaker 00 Right, okay.
40:15 Speaker 01 So they just thought they could manage the risk, and it turns out they couldn't. If you really, if you do some real deep dives on it, there are some really interesting theories on what might have caused the spark. All it would take is a spark. The prevailing theory is that it was a static charge from the storm. So in the 1960s, a former NASA scientist argued...
40:40 Speaker 01 That it may not have been the hydrogen at all, but in fact, the flammable outer coating, that idea has some merit, but most scientists are skeptical of that. However, it started, the result was that the Hindenburg permanently killed the dream of airship travel. And not because it was the first Zeppelin to burn, lots had gone up in flames before. Uh, this one was just too big and too hyped and too public. It was like such a massive thing. All of a sudden, the public is like, we ain't getting on those things anymore.
41:10 Speaker 00 Tell me this, if you have the answer to this, Ed. So in terms of flight and air travel, this was happening while planes were also starting to be built? Or regular planes, like, you know, what we know as jets? Or it was this a prelude to, to air travel?
41:27 Speaker 01 There's a lot of parallel development going on.
41:29 Speaker 00 Cause that would have been a totally different way to travel than what we're doing. I mean, I don't know how long it would have lasted before, you know, there was another incident or, but I mean, it's an airship we're talking about, and we're talking about a blimp. You know what I mean? Like it's a wholly, a whole different kind of, uh, air philosophy.
41:46 Speaker 01 Yeah, it is. And I, I still kind of hope that it comes back. I mean, there are some companies that are trying to develop modern airships. They do have certain advantages that are extremely efficient. They can be very effective in disaster recovery because they can deliver things very gently, uh, to, you know, horrible disaster areas or remote areas. I personally hope that it starts to become passenger travel again because I'm, I'm just so fucking psyched to ride a blimp. I don't know why.
42:16 Speaker 00 You are very passionate about it and I'm not disagreeing with you. It kinda sounds like, I just, I worry about the alacrity with which you can get there. You know what I mean? Yeah. Why would you, why would you opt for that when you can get somewhere in half the time?
42:30 Speaker 01 It's, it's the slowness is the point, right? Like that's, we were just talking about how, how long, we love long flights. To me, like, I don't know, two or three days to get to Hawaii or whatever. It's like, I'll take it. I'll just chill out.
42:45 Speaker 00 Yeah, that would be an interesting survey to see how many people would be willing to forego. People wanna go to Hawaii, right? They wanna go for seven days. They don't wanna go for three days. If it takes you three days there and three days back, or maybe you just use it on the outbound and then you take a regular plane on the way home. It's very retro.
43:00 Speaker 01 Yeah. All right, so that's, that is essentially the Hindenburg story. It's an Icarus story. We flew too close to the sun and, and we just, we crashed and burned. Are there any modern comparisons? I, I weirdly think that AI is like our modern Hindenburg, right? It's, it's like this awe inspiring marvel. It's wildly hyped. It's insanely powerful, but maybe it's rolling out a little faster than anyone understands. And everyone's, everyone insisting that it's safe while it's quietly cutting corners.
43:33 Speaker 00 I think the general consensus around AI is that we know it's not safe. You know what I mean? There's a lot of upside and there's a lot of downside and no one has really, you know, obviously without any regulation, it's just going to be a shit show. But I would also say traveling to space is probably similar to this. Like all these flight travels that everyone wants to take to go to the moon. And I mean, I don't have any desire to go to the moon. Do you have a desire to land on the moon?
43:58 Speaker 01 I don't.
44:00 Speaker 00 Yeah.
44:00 Speaker 01 If it turns out that like big, comfortable, like space cruise ships are a thing in my lifetime, then like, that could be cool. I would love to be in zero gravity. That seems like, like a ton of fun.
44:15 Speaker 00 Yeah, and I like adventure. I like to bounce around. I just went to Antarctica. So that was, that was a really fun adventure.
44:22 Speaker 01 Oh, that's so cool. Did you get on, on a ship or?
44:25 Speaker 00 Yeah, on a vessel. We crossed the Drake's Passage, which was another example of getting, taking three days to get somewhere. Yeah. It takes about three days to get, you have to pass 60 degrees latitude to get into Antarctica. And then, so you're there for like two and a half, three days, and then it's three days travel back and forth. And all I wanted to do was be in Antarctica. You know what I mean? I was like, is there another way to return? Because I don't really need to be on, on that ship crossing Drake's Passage for another three days.
44:50 Speaker 01 Which is, Drake's Passage is notorious. Supposed to be like a super rough crossing, was it?
44:55 Speaker 00 Yeah, turbulent for sure. I mean, people, and you're walking around the boat and you're, everyone's falling all over the place, holding on to the railings. You know, it's kind of a hot mess situation. And so anybody who has a weak stomach or gets seasick should not be taking that trip.
45:08 Speaker 01 Did you get sick?
45:10 Speaker 00 I did not. Well, no, not from the seasick mess.
45:12 Speaker 01 Oh, God. So there's another kind of trip that I feel like you're an expert in that I just am not, and I want to know more about. Will you sell me on microdosing hallucinogens?
45:25 Speaker 00 I just feel like, you know what, the best way to describe it is, we just took some LSD, me and my friends, when we went to these ice caves in Pemberton. And I would say the best way to describe it is, it puts an exclamation point on whatever experience you're having. So if you're outside, especially if you're in some sort of cool nature environment, we were in a glacier, in a cave underneath a glacier. So that was pretty cool. And it just kind of makes you really sit and appreciate whatever experience you're having. It adds a little giggle, too, to the situation, which is always welcome for me. I like to laugh and like to not be, you know, taking myself too seriously. But it's just an accentuation of life. And it kind of makes you have a little bit extra gratitude, which is one of the aspects that I don't think people talk about enough. It makes you really grateful
46:09 Speaker 00 to be exposed to the things that we're exposed to. Even if I go skiing for an afternoon with my girlfriends up here, you know, and if I take a microdose, it's like, I spend more time looking at the trees, looking at the view, looking at all the beauty that's surrounding me, rather than just, you know, kind of being in your head. You kind of, it gives you a release. So I feel like the whole world needs a microdose.
46:27 Speaker 01 I am very interested in this. Now, would you also advocate the occasional macrodose?
46:33 Speaker 00 I would, I would. It really depends on your personality and how much you can handle. But those years of me and the macrodosing, that was like years and years ago. Now I like just a little punch. Like, I like, I like a little, an MDMA, they do, everything's a microdose now. So you don't have to be scared to do it, you know? And also, I would like to say, you know, not everybody gets along so well with drugs. I do. We have a good working relationship. So I know what my limits are. I've done lots and lots of testing. So I know exactly what's going to work for me and what isn't. And in Canada, they have the cleanest drugs. So that's, so yeah, so I'm a big advocate of that. I think it helps a lot of people. And helps people, you know, in more serious ways than it's helping me. And I love sharing my drugs, too. I love giving them away. My whole tour
47:17 Speaker 00 is basically about me traveling around the world, handing out LSD to strangers.
47:23 Speaker 01 That's so great. You're just, you're like the, the little.
47:26 Speaker 00 I'm a Sherpa healer.
47:27 Speaker 01 You're the Pied Piper of microdosing.
47:30 Speaker 00 Yeah, I like to think of myself as a Sherpa. It's unexpected, you know, coming for me, but that's where I'm at in my life.
47:36 Speaker 01 I honestly, you're so transparent in everything that you think, feel and believe. And I, I think in many ways you are like an aspirational figure for a lot of people because of just how, just how much you, just how in touch you are with yourself. Um, which I think a lot of people are, but then you are also, uh, just an open book. And like, you don't hold back when it's when you've got something like difficult to say. And you also don't hold back when you have like these sort of joyful, fun expressions. And it's, it's awesome. So keep doing what you're doing.
48:17 Speaker 00 Thank you, Ed. I appreciate that. Thank you.
48:20 Speaker 01 So this tour coming up, very exciting news. Uh, I'm hoping to catch you on the road.
48:26 Speaker 00 I'm currently on the High and Mighty Tour, you guys. So you can get your tickets at chelseahandler.com. I will be coming to a city near you.
48:33 Speaker 01 Amen. Well, thanks for being on Snafu. It was super fun to have you.
48:37 Speaker 00 Well, thanks for my learning lesson today. I mean, now I'm gonna go, this was such a nice way for me to start my day. I'm much more well informed about the Hindenburg than I was when I started this podcast.
48:46 Speaker 01 Yeah. And I'm more informed about microdosing. So.
48:49 Speaker 00 Exactly. Okay. Well, there you have it.
48:52 Speaker 01 All right. Thanks, Chelsea.
48:53 Speaker 00 Okay. Thanks, Ed. Take care.
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