SNAFU's Hottest Takes & Biggest Laughs

It's a special "Best Of" SNAFU! From Nick Kroll's raucous family sea voyage, to Jenny Slate's casual susceptibility to cults, Ed selects his favorite, spiciest hot takes from this season's array of guests. Enjoy a fun romp through the last six months, and stay tuned for a hint at what's to come! Don't forget to subscribe to the SNAFU YouTube channel: www.youtube.com/@SNAFUPod Buy the SNAFU book: www.snafu-book.com See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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  Hey there, Ed Helms here, your tireless, dedicated, and benevolent host of Snafu, your favorite podcast about history's greatest screw-ups. And this week, we're doing something kind of special. It's not just a regular episode. This is a compilation episode, a clip show, if you will. And not just any clip show. For today's episode, I dove back into some of my favorite episodes from this season, and I plucked out the spiciest hot takes, the biggest laughs, and some of the most wonderfully unhinged moments with my incredible roster of guests. So, for example, Chelsea Handler's, just wonderful plug for microdosing psychedelics.

• 2:47Speaker 05

  And Nick Kroll's deep sea fishing fiasco. It does involve barf, spoiler alert. Jenny Slate's strikingly casual take on her own susceptibility to cults, which, as someone with deep affection for Jenny Slate, was kind of unnerving. That's just a smattering, a taste, if you will. There's so much more. So, keep listening, or watching, of course, for a fun romp through the last six months of Snafu. And be sure to stick around till the very end, because I saved the best for last. Enjoy. It can sort of like eat you a little bit. That's what I found.

• 3:27Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah. Well, Ed, I'm dead inside, so...

• 3:31Speaker 07

  Every time you say that it's a town full of miners, or dusty angry miners, who can't drink alcohol, I picture a bunch of 12-year-olds, who are just fighting with each other over beer that doesn't exist.

• 3:42Speaker 05

  Yes. They're like, "Adam Scott's on my flight, and he won't put down..." He's like, he's yelling at the flight attendants about getting more tomato juice. And they're like,

• 3:51Speaker 07

  "Get me my tomato juice."

• 3:53Speaker 05

  They're out of tomato juice. It's so weird.

• 4:00Speaker 07

  For folks who don't know, I took a two-year sabbatical from acting with the intent to always come back. Acting and performing is my first love, but I was the president's liaison to young Americans and Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders in an office called the Office of Public Engagement. Think of it as like an outreach office. And on my third day, the National Security Council-

• 4:19Speaker 05

  Are you in the White House?

• 4:20Speaker 07

  In the White House, in the actual White House. They add me to a massive email chain. And these email chains have like 100 people on them, real serious national security people in those days. And everything in government is an acronym, right? So like, for example, if you get an email from the National Security Council, it'll say National Security Council. Then any other time in the email, it'll just say NSC. And so they said, you know, plus Cal. Cal, because you're the president's new liaison to the Asian American community, you should know about this delegation from the Philippines that's meeting at the White House. And the thing that you should know is about this terror group in the Philippines that you might get questions on. They're called the Moro Islamic Liberation Front.

• 5:05Speaker 07

  And then in parentheses, it just said MILF. And then the rest of the email, I'm not fucking with you, the rest of the email said MILF is considered highly dangerous, MILF is known to recruit young men. And then things like, you know, many young men grow to regret their affiliation with MILF over time.

• 5:27Speaker 05

  The opposite of a snafu. This is delightful. I love that there are these little nuggets of governmental awkwardness.

• 5:35Speaker 07

  Great. So I thought this was so wonderful that in my head, I'm at my desk laughing my ass off, I hit reply all, and I wrote, yo, their main terror group are the MILFs. Amazing. And I hit send. And as soon as I hit send, I was like, you idiot, you are not in a writer's room at Universal. You are in the White House on an email chain with the National Security Council. And I couldn't unsend it. And it was silent after that. And in the hallway-

• 6:08Speaker 07

  Co-workers, many of whom in the in the pod world, you all know, a lot of the Pod Save America guys and Tommy Viator and Ben Rhodes and these guys who I worked with at the time, in the hall, we were like, yo, that shit was so funny. We were all thinking it. Like, will one of you please hit reply all and just say LOL? That's all I need. I just need one of you to LOL me. And they all were like, hell, no, man. This is gonna be a public record one day. I just don't want my name associated with you calling out the MILF thing. So that was my, one of my professional snafus.

• 6:40Speaker 05

  Oh, my God. I love it. You know what? The only thing that would have made that snafu better is if Obama himself had like walked up into your office, like leaned against the door jamb and just been like, Cal, buddy, what the hell? We're gonna have to fire you. Like, you're gonna, this is not, you can't do this.

• 6:59Speaker 07

  If that were the case, I felt like it would have gone the other way. And he would have just been like, did you see the name of this terror group?

• 7:03Speaker 05

  I feel like the government needs more people like you, Cal. It'd be a lot more fun, a lot more like chuckles in the hallways. And it's so serious all the time. Yeah, angry mobs were a real big deal at this point.

• 7:19Speaker 06

  They're really scary. I mean, we had, we had one recently in our, in our nation. It's scary. Yeah, they're scary.

• 7:27Speaker 05

  They don't generally make good decisions.

• 7:29Speaker 06

  No.

• 7:30Speaker 05

  I read somewhere a quote, I wish I could remember who to attribute it to. The intelligence of a mob is that of the dumbest person in the mob. So like the behavior, like an entire mob behaves as the dumbest person in the mob.

• 7:48Speaker 06

  Actually, I was just thinking about like, if for some reason, Americans were able to be totally silent while someone rolled through town that they didn't like, that like, when I said we'd never be able to do it, like, I was fully imagining myself in the, in the silent crowd, not being able to stop myself from being like, who farted? Like, just like.

• 8:12Speaker 06

  That it's so tempting to disturb, you know, the stillness. I think I would be the weakest, the dumbest person in the mob. I'm the person that changes us from a cohort into like a freak out.

• 8:28Speaker 05

  Could you ever see yourself being swept up in a mob? I think it's like-

• 8:33Speaker 06

  Like emotionally?

• 8:34Speaker 05

  Yeah, I feel, because I feel like it's one of those things that, that we all think like, that were, it's sort of like cults, right? Everyone says like, I could never join a cult. Like, I would never fall for that insane.

• 8:46Speaker 06

  Oh, I would.

• 8:48Speaker 05

  You would?

• 8:49Speaker 06

  I don't think I would be in a mob because I don't consider myself to be like an impulsive person and I don't have like, a sort of, you know, like the switchblade of a temper that just like comes out. But I really love friendly groups. I love cooking. I love it when people are like trying to help each other actualize their dreams and I like it when people like are dedicated to each other. And a lot of times cults are like nonviolent. I used to have a standup bit about this actually, about how like I would totally get drawn into into a cult because like I like all the things that they do, except I don't like having to be naked in a group of people and I don't like having to do like oral sex to like a very, very elderly person who has a long beard, which I feel like they make you do, like the head of the cult.

• 9:33Speaker 05

  That is, that's in the cult bylaws.

• 9:37Speaker 06

  There's usually some guy who's like, you know what, actually, a lot of the more interesting members of the cult are doing this.

• 9:48Speaker 05

  But wait, why haven't you, you fallen into a cult then? There are lots of them out there. There are lots of great options.

• 9:55Speaker 06

  Hey, I've got a strong family, really great friends that are like, no, no, no, no, no, no, don't, don't go in there.

• 10:01Speaker 05

  Good answer. I also think that you are a inquisitive person and you're someone who, like you're, you're not only very intelligent and, and sort of like-

• 10:15Speaker 05

  Educated and you've taken it upon yourself to learn about the world and learn about people. And I think that is some of the best armor against these kinds of group think or indoctrination of some kind. The minute you start asking questions, even with genuine curiosity, not even like an accusatory like, wait a minute, but you're just sort of like, now, hold on, why do you think I should, I should blow that old man with a beard? Like, what's the reason? Like, why are we getting what's?

• 10:44Speaker 06

  Why would we have to do that, though? Like, you know, like if we're all gonna transcend and like, you know, have clear minds, like, why would we need to do that? Yeah, and you know what is a good place to start for me sometimes is like, I will ask myself or sometimes other people, like, if this were a movie, who would you be? And like, what part of this story, like, would it seem like a good story? If this were a parable, if this were like a religious text or a fairy tale, who would you be? Who would they be?

• 11:17Speaker 05

  Yeah, who would they be? That's a great question.

• 11:20Speaker 06

  Yeah, who would they be?

• 11:22Speaker 05

  I think you're onto something really quite elegant, which is that stories, movies, parables, the sort of broad, whatever gestalt of human storytelling, it is rooted in fundamental values, right? Like a sense of right and wrong. My kid loves The Lion King, and so I've gotten very deep into the sort of like Lion King universe. And, and that is a movie where good and bad is so clearly delineated and bad is portrayed with Nazi symbolism, right?

• 12:01Speaker 06

  Totally, I mean, when he sings, "Be prepared," that is, those hyenas are doing it.

• 12:08Speaker 05

  They're goose stepping. Hyenas are literally goose stepping.

• 12:11Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 12:12Speaker 05

  And it's, and so, it's, it's so interesting to me that those kinds of stories.

• 12:19Speaker 05

  That that obviously have an intent to kind of raise children with a sense of right and wrong and a sense of sort of trepidation towards that kind of behavior, towards Scar's behavior. Yeah. And yet, we see a cultural swing to a greater trust in that. Like, I'm so confused, that's such cognitive dissonance for me, and that I'm trying to work through and understand.

• 12:44Speaker 07

  So, I was away with my whole family. We were in, I think, Puerto Rico on a family vacation around, I think, you know, like, Christmas vacation. And so, my dad thought that a cool thing to do would be to organize a deep sea fishing trip for my mom's birthday, because my dad knows nothing about what is my mom would enjoy. So, they packed us, like, the hotel packed us a bunch of, like, tuna sandwiches, because, you know, Puerto Rico is famous for its tuna tuna fish sandwiches. My family ranged from about eight to 15, four of us, my parents, and...

• 13:28Speaker 05

  And you're the youngest, right?

• 13:29Speaker 07

  I'm the youngest, yeah.

• 13:31Speaker 05

  So, you're you're eight.

• 13:32Speaker 07

  I'm eight or nine years old.

• 13:33Speaker 05

  Eightish, yeah.

• 13:34Speaker 07

  And we get on the boat, we're going out to the deep sea, and the waves are horrible. Like, we later found out that a tanker had capsized that day in the Atlantic. So, the waves were massive. We were just getting pummeled. And we all were sitting there, and the entire family puked our tuna fish sandwiches out all over, all over the place, except for my dad, who just sat in the captain's chair, gripping, like, the chair. Turning, I'd never seen, you know, when people say like, uh, he turned green.

• 14:18Speaker 07

  Like, I've never seen it really since before since, but my dad turned fully like, like a chartreuse and all of us just absolutely roused all over this boat. And it was like, happy birthday, mom.

• 14:36Speaker 05

  This is, this is perfect. And the best part is like a tuna fish sandwich.

• 14:46Speaker 05

  A tuna fish sandwich smells horrendous.

• 14:49Speaker 07

  To begin with.

• 14:50Speaker 05

  Fresh, like a fresh sandwich right out of the deli is like a, it's kind of a gross thing already. And then to eat it and then to regurgitate it.

• 15:01Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 15:01Speaker 05

  Is a, is just an unthinkable stench. It's not ideal.

• 15:06Speaker 07

  No.

• 15:07Speaker 05

  Well, that's very tragic and I'm, I'm very, very sorry.

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  I do wonder, though, like someone, you know, you look at these presidents, whether it's a Trump or a Barack Obama or somebody, you're like, how many good, like, close friends are they able to maintain at that, at that point? I would think someone like Trump is like so hard to get close to and so hard to sort of like feel a sense of trust with, even if you're, if you match his core values, whatever they are, like, it just seems, I don't know, they're, they're so, their, their life is so public and, and it's so committed to the public eye.

• 17:15Speaker 07

  Yeah, I mean, I think like, yeah, the usage of a friend as somebody who you could truly be honest with and empathize with and you could like be vulnerable with. I see people like Trump who sees almost everybody as like a means to an end.

• 17:28Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 17:29Speaker 07

  Everything has a loyalty test.

• 17:30Speaker 05

  Right.

• 17:30Speaker 07

  And even things, you know, not to besmirch any of his relationships, but those don't seem to be the most friendly and open. Those seem transactional as well. And you're like, oh, what happens to a human who doesn't have a, like, an emotional sounding board or compatriot that isn't tied up into your own personal success?

• 17:49Speaker 05

  Are you expressing, are you, are you starting to express some, some deep compassion for Donald Trump?

• 17:53Speaker 07

  Oh, my God, I stumbled on it. We've, we've created a monster. I just want to give him a hug.

• 17:58Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's what, probably all he needs.

• 18:01Speaker 07

  Give him a hug.

• 18:02Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 18:02Speaker 07

  That's it.

• 18:03Speaker 05

  Group hug.

• 18:04Speaker 02

  I want in on that.

• 18:05Speaker 07

  Come on, man.

• 18:06Speaker 02

  Let's do it.

• 18:06Speaker 07

  Let's, let's break through this.

• 18:08Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 18:08Speaker 07

  Come on, you could be a better person.

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• 18:13Speaker 05

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• 18:15Speaker 02

  Is Rivian a brag?

• 18:16Speaker 05

  Yeah. Mad respect, bro.

• 18:20Speaker 02

  By the way, you couldn't be more of a dad.

• 18:23Speaker 05

  When Rivian SUV is a brag.

• 18:30Speaker 05

  I'm driving a Porsche. I'm like, dude, I got a car that can fit six kids luggage and a dog. And you go, Jesus, you're winning.

• 18:40Speaker 05

  It doesn't go fast. And I will, I will say it's not that much fun to drive, but the love, the storage in that baby. I feel like what me makes me not a criminal mastermind is like I this as soon as I even start to think about that, I just start sweating.

• 18:59Speaker 03

  By the way, I am the, it is so far in the degree of panic for me, even when I know I've done nothing wrong.

• 19:06Speaker 05

  Exactly.

• 19:07Speaker 03

  If you were like, hey, hey, I need to talk to you later. I'd be like, what have, what have I done? What don't I remember?

• 19:12Speaker 05

  And then you're.

• 19:13Speaker 03

  What did I maybe do and not?

• 19:15Speaker 05

  The same way. What is, what, what childhood trauma led us into this? It's so annoying.

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  I mean.

• 19:20Speaker 05

  And like this, and it's also very interesting. This, um, that, that fear of being perceived as guilty can't, can actually make you act more guilty.

• 19:32Speaker 03

  Absolutely. And here's the thing, and I bet you get this. When you're an actor, people think you must be a good liar. And I'm like, no, I memorize other people's words. I can't come up with them on my own. I'm not like a liar on the fly.

• 19:45Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 19:46Speaker 03

  I'm bad at that.

• 19:47Speaker 05

  Exactly. Now, on paper, Paul, explosive growth is great, right? Sure. But is it always good for a community? No. Or is it just an efficient way to stress people out? I mean, I know this from many years of playing the Sims video game. You can't build too quick. Uh, things happen. Uh, you know, you can't, you can't keep up. Supply and demand. Yeah, there's a lot of jobs, but then, you know, is there enough sewage plants or there are things, you know, things happen, you know? As, as someone who's known you a long, long time, so many of us have been trying to pull you out of SimCity. No, I got it.

• 20:22Speaker 05

  And I'm not even on the Sims. I'm not even doing the people. I'm just doing the cities. I just, I can't, I'm so worried about when Sim goes VR and you'll like, just you'll be so immersed. I gotta put this baseball stadium somewhere, Ed. And you guess who we're talking about? Napoleon.

• 20:37Speaker 07

  Bonaparte.

• 20:38Speaker 05

  Bonaparte, Napoleon. Why is it so fun to do that accent? I hope it's not too offensive. It's only inoffensive if it's a bad accent. I have a very good accent. Wait, we're also running out of accents we can make fun of without it being a problem. So I think we've got to hang on to making fun of the French. It's kind of sad that to a lot of Americans, French people are basically the chef in Little Mermaid. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which is preposterous, like. Can you still sing any of that song? And do you have the rights to sing it on this podcast?

• 21:06Speaker 07

  Sacre bleu, what is this? How on earth could I miss such a sweet little succulent crab?

• 21:13Speaker 05

  The most amazing thing about that song is that they rhyme Poisson with Hon. He goes, les poissons, les poissons, hee hee hee, hon hon hon. Hon hon hon, that's the most French thing ever. That's a rhyme. That's part of the lyrics is hon hon hon. It's ridiculous. I love that our brains will forever hang on to that. There's so many more useful things that should be lodged up in there, but I will forever remember all the lyrics to that song. Yeah, I have a couple of little kids, so it's like still hitting me in the face constantly.

• 21:43Speaker 07

  Fads are, um, people try to like freeze them in amber. There are ways and means to freeze them in amber now, I think. And so anyway, that's not answering your question. To answer your question, of course, I.

• 21:54Speaker 05

  You fell for Le Booboo's.

• 21:55Speaker 07

  I fell for Le Booboo's. I had a thousand Le Booboo's. Yes, there's at least, there are two in my kitchen of all places. Terrible place to keep them. Why, they're furry, they're going to catch something, crumbs, you know.

• 22:10Speaker 05

  On fire?

• 22:12Speaker 07

  On fire, they are dangerously, true story, close to the stove.

• 22:16Speaker 05

  That is a synthetic fur. I don't know what, it's probably ignites easily.

• 22:20Speaker 07

  No, mine are human hair.

• 22:22Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 22:23Speaker 07

  Um, I, no, my, every fad, I'm playing this Pokemon game right now that is like all over the internet. I'm looking at Lisa Frank stickers right now. I would call those a fad. There's a great documentary about how.

• 22:35Speaker 05

  What is that?

• 22:36Speaker 07

  Lisa Frank. You don't know Lisa Frank?

• 22:39Speaker 05

  Wait, do I? What is that?

• 22:40Speaker 07

  These are, these were big in like the 90s and aughts. These were on every single like space saver binder backpack in the late 90s, early aughts.

• 22:50Speaker 05

  Wow, and you have a fresh pack like right there on your desk? I'm scared, Bowen, I'm worried that, that like right off camera, there's like towering stuff, like everything that you've bought off of infomercials and like LaBooBoo's and that, that, that one false move and it's gonna collapse and we're gonna have to like call an ambulance to get you out.

• 23:11Speaker 07

  This is my audition for Hoarders and this is, that's my gifting closet. Everyone has some structural thing where it's just a bunch of crap and you're like, I'm gonna give, I'm gonna like hand this off to like the next person who comes to my house and like I feel like should leave with something.

• 23:28Speaker 05

  Amen. I wish, I wish I had a gifting closet. If I take one thing from this, it's that I need a gifting closet. 16 passengers sustained minor injuries and most of those were from the evacuation of the plane.

• 23:43Speaker 07

  Sure, that's usually what happens, yeah.

• 23:45Speaker 05

  Yeah, right? Which reportedly was completed in approximately 90 seconds. And that's incredible to me because when I think of like people deplaning, it is such a just dumpster fire of elbows and anger and luggage pulling down whatever. But I would also imagine that being scared of a plane exploding might help you get off a plane quicker. Yeah.

• 24:08Speaker 07

  I have a question for you. I always think about, cause just the other day, people had to evacuate a Southwest flight or something and I saw the footage of them like bouncing down the slide that they deploy off the side of the plane.

• 24:20Speaker 05

  Oh, I missed that.

• 24:21Speaker 07

  And I know that they always say, when you are evacuating a plane, do not grab your bags, nothing. You just get off the plane. Would you have a tough time just leaving your stuff on the plane? I feel like I would grab.

• 24:34Speaker 05

  Grab my bag, no matter what they said. Well, that's a good. I guess it depends how dire the situation is. What's in your bag, Adam? Listen. Is it your heroin? Don't worry about it. Like, what's going on here? Do we need to talk about this? Ed, take it easy.

• 24:49Speaker 05

  You're, you're. Like, I don't want to be without my iPad. Your question raises additional questions.

• 24:54Speaker 05

  I guess you're right. Never mind. Never mind, moving on. Um, I think I would, I think I would be pretty okay leaving my bag. Okay. Yeah, I mean, I like my AirPod Maxes and I love my, my laptop. I kind of would die without it. I don't love it, but I would be in trouble without it. But I would leave it. I would leave it behind. I don't think that makes me a better person than you, Adam, but maybe, maybe a little. I was just kidding when I said all that about wanting to grab my bag. That, that wasn't real. I still think you're a good person. Oh, thank you. The concrete jungle is basically like a concrete oven. Now, I'm from Georgia, you're from Kentucky. We know a thing or two about heat, but there's something uniquely punishing about New York City summer, right? As much as we love New York, like, it gets hard.

• 25:39Speaker 06

  It's brutal because it's humid. It gets humid more so than you think. And, and the buildings really trap it all in. So you're just stuck in it and you can't escape into your air conditioned car very easily because you don't really drive in New York.

• 25:52Speaker 05

  No, can we talk about the smell? Can we talk a little bit about the smell? It's like the, the trash is just baking. It's like the, the trash cans are these little ovens that bake everything. And then, of course, anything, any street runoff is, is like just cooking on the hot asphalt and rising into the humidity.

• 26:12Speaker 06

  Cooking up a stew a city. Yeah, it's been urine. There's even here where we film at The Daily Show in lovely Hell's Kitchen. We're in between a Subway restaurant, which has the lovely aroma of baked bread. And on the other side are the horse stables. So it's just horse shit and a little bit of baked bread and then garbage and urine smell from the dog park across the street. Summer over here gets real, real interesting real quick.

• 26:41Speaker 05

  It's funny how consistent that smell is, like every. Summer, it's just the like you know, like that's hot city smell. And it's not good, but weirdly, I'm just gonna say it, it's kind of nostalgic now. It's like, it's like, it's like fresh cut grass. Like it sort of brings back memories.

• 26:58Speaker 06

  Maybe we should start an aroma company, like we should make a candle that has that New York summer smell and we could, we could go out with it. Do you think it would sell?

• 27:08Speaker 05

  City summer funk, the funk of

• 27:11Speaker 06

  City summer funk.

• 27:12Speaker 05

  The funk of the

• 27:13Speaker 06

  City funk, city summer funk.

• 27:16Speaker 05

  I think it would sell, I'm not gonna say like hotcakes.

• 27:20Speaker 06

  I'm just throwing it out there.

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  I spoke with Dr. Laura Jayhai of Cleveland Clinic about how advanced computing is helping shorten the path from medical discovery to treatment. The moment that there is a compound that someone in a lab thinks it would be effective to treat a certain disease, it takes about 10 to 13 years from that moment to when that drug is on a shelf for a patient. A big part of that gap could be computationally solved. Better simulation of compounds, designing drug trials that are more efficient, that would finish faster. That was the motivation to bring computational tools and technology closer to biomedical researchers.

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• 28:45Speaker 05

  Biomedical research at ibm.com/smarttalks.

• 28:52Speaker 05

  There's another kind of trip that I feel like you're an expert in that I just am not and I want to know more about. Will you sell me on microdosing hallucinogens?

• 29:01Speaker 06

  I just feel like it's, you know what, the best way to describe it is, we just took some LSD, me and my friends, when we went to these ice caves in Pemberton. And I would say the best way to describe it is, it puts an exclamation point on whatever experience you're having. So if you're outside, especially if you're in some sort of cool nature environment, we were in a glacier, in a cave underneath a glacier. So that was pretty cool. And it just kind of makes you really sit and appreciate whatever experience you're having. It adds a little giggle to, to the situation, which is always welcome for me. I like to laugh and like to not be, you know, taking myself too seriously. But it's just an accentuation of life. And it kind of makes you have a little bit extra gratitude, which is one of the aspects that I don't think people talk about enough. It makes

• 29:44Speaker 06

  you really grateful to be exposed to the things that we're exposed to. Even if I go skiing for an afternoon with my girlfriends up here, you know, and if I take a microdose, it's like, I spend more time looking at the trees, looking at the view, looking at all the beauty that's surrounding me, rather than just, you know, kind of being in your head. You kind of, it gives you a release. So I feel like the whole world needs a microdose.

• 30:03Speaker 05

  I am very interested in this. Now, would you also advocate the occasional macrodose?

• 30:09Speaker 06

  I would, I would. It really depends on your personality and how much you can handle. But those years of me and the macrodosing, that was like years and years ago. Now I like just a little punch. Like, I like, I like a little, MDMA, they do, everything's a microdose now. So you don't have to be scared to do it. You know, and also I would like to say, you know, not everybody gets along so well with drugs. I do, we have a good working relationship. So I know what my limits are. I've done lots and lots of testing. So I know exactly what's going to work for me and what isn't. And in Canada, they have the cleanest drugs. So that's, so yeah, so I'm a big advocate of that. I think it helps a lot of people. And helps people, you know, in more serious ways than it's helping me. And I love sharing my drugs, too. I love giving them away. My whole tour is

• 30:53Speaker 06

  basically about me traveling around the world, handing out LSD to strangers.

• 30:58Speaker 05

  That's so great. You're just, you're like the, the little.

• 31:02Speaker 06

  I'm a Sherpa healer.

• 31:03Speaker 05

  You're the Pied Piper of microdosing.

• 31:06Speaker 06

  Yeah, I like to think of myself as a Sherpa. It's unexpected, you know, coming for me, but that's where I'm at in my life.

• 31:12Speaker 05

  Just a quick question. You were on the show Survivor.

• 31:15Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 31:16Speaker 05

  Did you guys at any point on that show ever consider eating one another? Just like casually, as a backup plan?

• 31:25Speaker 02

  The truth is, I was only, I was only surviving for three nights, which meant I only really missed three dinners and eating a fellow person doesn't come up after three dinners.

• 31:34Speaker 05

  You're already taking this question too seriously.

• 31:36Speaker 02

  It's a, but, uh, so it never comes to that. The other thing too, is there are coconuts strewn about.

• 31:42Speaker 05

  Sure.

• 31:42Speaker 02

  Right? You know, the exact number of coconuts one might need to survive happened to be randomly distributed by, I think, God.

• 31:50Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah. Since 1950, there have somehow been a whopping 32 Broken Arrow incidents. This includes theft.

• 32:00Speaker 06

  Wait, wait.

• 32:00Speaker 05

  Yeah, raising hands.

• 32:01Speaker 06

  What? 32 super duper nukes?

• 32:04Speaker 05

  Super, super duper nukers.

• 32:05Speaker 06

  32 lost nuclear weapons.

• 32:10Speaker 05

  Oy, oy, oy.

• 32:12Speaker 06

  Now I know why they call it Broken Arrows. Cause when you say, you know what? We have 32 Broken Arrows. You're like, oh, if you say, we have 32 lost nuclear weapons, you're like, wait, stop? What? Say again?

• 32:25Speaker 05

  Euphemisms make hard things a lot easier. Oh, man.

• 32:29Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah.

• 32:30Speaker 05

  Yeah, 32.

• 32:31Speaker 06

  That's why Greg called all of our talking heads candy bags, you know?

• 32:35Speaker 05

  I forgot that.

• 32:36Speaker 06

  He said that he always felt bad giving us pages and pages of extra monologues. So he was like, I'll name them something fun. So he named them candy bags.

• 32:44Speaker 05

  I loved those. I loved doing those talking heads and like coming up with like new riffs and like the candy bag alts, like all the different versions of, of our talking heads, like just, it was like getting a window into the writers' brains. I just remember loving the math of those jokes and like always trying to think about how to heighten them. And they'd have to kick me out of those talking heads.

• 33:06Speaker 06

  But to your point, naming all the extra work a candy bag.

• 33:10Speaker 05

  It's a trick.

• 33:11Speaker 06

  Definitely made it go down easier. And also calling all our screw ups bloopers.

• 33:17Speaker 06

  Makes them sound fun, too. Like, oh, that was a blooper.

• 33:20Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm.

• 33:20Speaker 06

  Like, that's just a broken arrow. I mean, even the word snafu is kind of fun. It's snafu.

• 33:26Speaker 05

  Guys, it's just a snafu.

• 33:28Speaker 06

  Whoopsie.

• 33:29Speaker 05

  Whoopsie doozy. Hey, I'm back, and, boy, was that fun. I love this show. Thanks for listening or watching some of our favorite moments from this season. I'll be back next week with the rest of our regular episodes. We got a bunch of folks coming up that I know you're gonna love. I'm not gonna spoil it exactly, but I am gonna give you some big hints. So, we have a comedian coming up who makes it weird, and a couple of ladies coming up who coined the term "murderino." If you know anything about podcasting, both of those are huge spoilers. And if you don't, well, just stay tuned and enjoy.

• 34:12Speaker 05

  Keep an ear and/or eye out, however you tune in, and thanks for being a fan. I'm so glad to have you here. See you next week. Snafu is a production of iHeart Podcasts and Snafu Media, a partnership between Film Nation Entertainment and Pacific Electric Picture Company. Our post-production studio is Good Egg Audio. Our executive producers are me, Ed Helms, Mike Falbo, Glenn Basner, Andy Kim, and Dylan Fagan. This episode was produced by Alyssa Martino and Tori Smith. Our managing producer is Carl Nellis. Our video editor is Jared Smith. Technical direction and engineering from Nick Dooley. Our creative executive is Brett Harris. Logo and branding by Matt Gosson and The Collected Works.

• 34:57Speaker 05

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