"Cillian Murphy"

Heat up your pizza-pocket: it’s Cillian Murphy. We talk law, rock n’ roll, instinct, energy over perfection, and making ends MEAT. Welcome to The Circus Of The Unemployable …on an all-new SmartLess.

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:00Sean Hayes?

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• 2:37Jason Bateman?

  Hi, everybody. Welcome to the cold open of this episode of Smart List. I am freezing. You know, it'd be great if Arnett was here to warm this cold open up a little bit. I don't think he's available. No, he's not available. We should just start. Let's just start. Oh, God, look at all these goosies on my arm. Welcome to Smart List.

• 3:17Sean Hayes?

  Guess what I just finished watching moments ago?

• 3:21Will Arnett?

  A pizza pocket heat up in the microwave.

• 3:24Jason Bateman?

  Oh, wait. Now, let me try. Yeah.

• 3:28Will Arnett?

  I wish.

• 3:29Jason Bateman?

  No, it's something with Scotty. I don't have it yet.

• 3:32Will Arnett?

  Your zipper on your pants not be able to close.

• 3:36Jason Bateman?

  Oh, wait, I know what it is. It's the top button on your trousers flying across the room and breaking a light bulb.

• 3:41Sean Hayes?

  No, I just watched the first, literally 10 minutes ago, finished watching DTF St. Louis, the first episode. Let me tell you, it is so good. It is right up my alley.

• 3:53Jason Bateman?

  Is it?

• 3:54Sean Hayes?

  And Jay, another incredible character by you. Like, really, like, so different.

• 3:59Will Arnett?

  Really quick question. Did you say it's a ride up your alley?

• 4:03Sean Hayes?

  It's a ride up your alley. It's right up my alley.

• 4:06Jason Bateman?

  He's been saying it wrong for years, Will. Don't stop him now.

• 4:09Sean Hayes?

  No, it's right up my alley. The way it's shot and of course, performed, you're brilliant. It's so good, Jay. You're so good in it.

• 4:17Jason Bateman?

  Writer-director.

• 4:18Sean Hayes?

  I mean, that's swing. Just the shot of the swing, that's all I'll say. I mean, that's so smart. It's so cool.

• 4:24Jason Bateman?

  It gets real, real, real, real, real crazy.

• 4:27Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, and the ending of the first episode, wow. It's really good.

• 4:31Jason Bateman?

  You sweet man.

• 4:33Sean Hayes?

  It's so good. You're so good.

• 4:34Jason Bateman?

  Do you, I don't know if I've ever admitted this on this show before, but speaking of saying things wrong for years.

• 4:39Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, oh shit.

• 4:43Jason Bateman?

  And this is, I'll attribute this to not reading a lot. You know, I'm allergic to books and I'm not proud of that.

• 4:49Sean Hayes?

  Yeah.

• 4:50Jason Bateman?

  Because I feel if I had I seen this written, I wouldn't have made the mistake all these years. But I've always thought that when you say the phrase, "I'm just trying to make ends meet," I thought that was a phrase that one would say when they're saying, "Listen, I'm just trying to get by with just the bare minimum. I'm, I, I'm not being greedy, I'm not entitled, I'm just trying to make ends meet." Meaning, I'm just looking for the part of the cow that doesn't cost a lot. I just need sustenance. I need some food. I'm looking for ends meet, like M-E-A-T, the end of the cow, the ass, which is not gonna cost you a lot. This is what my stupid head.

• 5:34Sean Hayes?

  This is what you're working on right now?

• 5:35Jason Bateman?

  I'm 57 and this was, this was probably a couple of years ago. I was 55 until I realized that it is, it is ends of, you know, strings or whatever, creating a circle. You want these ends to meet and create a whole thing and, which can, can mean something similar to, "I'm just trying to make it all come together for myself."

• 5:59Will Arnett?

  You're trying to make, well, you're trying to, you're trying to, you're trying to be able to afford stuff. You're trying to make ends meet. You're trying to do stuff within your budget.

• 6:07Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, it wasn't a proud moment for me, but I'm not beyond admitting my, my, my, my flaws.

• 6:13Will Arnett?

  I'm just trying to think of like the gotcha headlines and the various social media stuff about this.

• 6:17Jason Bateman?

  Oh no, this will be cut. No, this is just for you, you, me and, and your guest, Will.

• 6:21Will Arnett?

  We can't cut this. Speaking of, what kind of cut is that at the end of the cow that you're talking about? You're talking about your flank steak.

• 6:28Jason Bateman?

  Well, the flank is, it's often, it's often called the flank. Where the end.

• 6:31Will Arnett?

  That's not the end.

• 6:32Sean Hayes?

  Wait, but you know, you know that like, I love, you know that, remember that I love like sayings and their originate, or origination?

• 6:40Jason Bateman?

  You stupid ass.

• 6:43Sean Hayes?

  Where they origin, originated from?

• 6:45Will Arnett?

  This is a tough day for me. Go ahead.

• 6:48Sean Hayes?

  And where they originated from, you know what I mean? And so remember I did the Saved by the Bell, I told you guys about Saved by the Bell?

• 6:53Jason Bateman?

  You did an episode?

• 6:54Sean Hayes?

  No.

• 6:55Jason Bateman?

  Or like an arc?

• 6:55Sean Hayes?

  No, no, where that saying comes from.

• 6:57Jason Bateman?

  Oh.

• 6:58Sean Hayes?

  Remember the guy, people used to get buried, remember I told you? Or they used to get buried alive? And they didn't know it at the time because people like were unconscious, they just thought they were dead, so they'd bury them in these coffins. Then they'd dig them back up to reuse the coffins and they saw these scratch marks. So they, so they're like, oh my God, we've been burying people alive. So they bury people alive, they tie a string to their toe, they fly, they uh, put it through the ground and tie it to a bell. And you're saved by the bell if the bell goes off. And the person who had to sit there and wait to see if the bell went off, worked the graveyard shift.

• 7:31Will Arnett?

  Wow.

• 7:32Jason Bateman?

  Okay, and this, so this is what you thought Saved by the Bell was for years?

• 7:35Sean Hayes?

  No, that is what it is.

• 7:36Jason Bateman?

  It's not, it's a boxing thing.

• 7:38Will Arnett?

  Well, evidently it originated with this, JB.

• 7:42Sean Hayes?

  That's right.

• 7:42Jason Bateman?

  Really?

• 7:43Sean Hayes?

  Yes, that's what I'm telling you.

• 7:45Jason Bateman?

  Wait, so hang on, so Will, you're taking, that's news to you and you're going with Sean?

• 7:49Will Arnett?

  That's, that's, that's news to me. I do vaguely remember Sean mentioning this before.

• 7:53Sean Hayes?

  Yeah.

• 7:53Jason Bateman?

  Well, that doesn't make it true. He's just repeating insanity.

• 7:56Will Arnett?

  I mean, we can, I'm sure people could just look it up as they're listening to this right now. I don't know why we would.

• 8:03Sean Hayes?

  That's where it comes from.

• 8:05Jason Bateman?

  All right, we're gonna, we're gonna have our fact checkers get on that while we're, while we're.

• 8:09Will Arnett?

  We've got fact checkers now?

• 8:10Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, yeah, so let's have them do that. Will, go ahead, introduce your guest. Um, and let's get on with it.

• 8:16Sean Hayes?

  Oh, shoot, Jason.

• 8:17Jason Bateman?

  This is a little runner that I've been having trying to get Will panicked while he's.

• 8:21Will Arnett?

  Did I ever get panicked about it?

• 8:23Jason Bateman?

  No, I don't think it worked. It's my guest and I'm so excited. And Willie, I think you're gonna be excited too. I think I remember, I think it was you telling me that you're just a kooky fan for this fella, and I don't blame you because I am too. Gentlemen.

• 8:40Sean Hayes?

  I'm not gonna care.

• 8:42Jason Bateman?

  No, no.

• 8:43Sean Hayes?

  Great, let's start, let's start.

• 8:44Jason Bateman?

  It's gonna be a great hour for you, Sean. No, you will. Everybody, everybody freaks on this guy for very good reason. Have you searched for the answer to the age-old question, "What should I do after pursuing rock stardom and being a lawyer?" Well, our guest this week has the answer. You become one of the finest actors on the planet. You go out there, you work with the best directors in the world, you turn in some of the most powerful and moving performances ever, and then you grab yourself an armful of awards, including the little gold guy named Oscar. He's done three careers worth of work already in his 30 years of performing, and it's been theater and film and television. But one of those television projects is now a film, and he's here to talk to us about that. Gentlemen, please welcome Tommy Shelby himself,

• 9:27Jason Bateman?

  Mr. Killian Murphy.

• 9:30Sean Hayes?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 9:31Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, here with us today.

• 9:34Speaker 03

  Hi, guys. How's it going?

• 9:36Jason Bateman?

  Oh, Killian.

• 9:37Sean Hayes?

  How cool. So nice to meet you.

• 9:39Jason Bateman?

  Hey, man.

• 9:39Speaker 03

  Nice to meet you. That was a lovely introduction. Thank you.

• 9:42Jason Bateman?

  Right, I worked on it for minutes. Where, what time is it for you today now?

• 9:49Speaker 03

  Uh, it's like nearly 6:00 PM in London.

• 9:53Jason Bateman?

  Oh, all right. Now, does that, if you're like me, you're about an hour away from sleep. Are you, are you in, are you in comfy socks? Are you getting ready to get horizontal? Or are you about to start your night?

• 10:06Speaker 03

  I do start thinking about bed from, yeah, about half past 5. That is, that is true.

• 10:13Sean Hayes?

  So we're keeping you up right now.

• 10:15Speaker 03

  No, I mean, I'm just thinking about it.

• 10:17Jason Bateman?

  Yeah.

• 10:18Speaker 03

  But I will be approaching, I'll be in bed by like half 9.

• 10:22Jason Bateman?

  Right? You're good, you're good. We're all, we're all in the same.

• 10:25Speaker 03

  It's so nice.

• 10:26Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, I think the four of us are very good at relaxing and taking it easy. Now, is that because we're of a certain age? Or is it because we've all really been good at getting after it? And we're kind of, we're kind of done with that.

• 10:41Sean Hayes?

  Yeah.

• 10:41Jason Bateman?

  Right? I did it. And now I want to enjoy the relaxation of wisdom and age.

• 10:48Speaker 03

  I don't, I mean, what do you guys think? What's, what's, what's your?

• 10:52Sean Hayes?

  Well, I, I'm a hundred percent agree with Jason, although I was gonna ask you, Killian, is like, the, having, I'm doing theater right now, and I know you've done a lot of theater, and it's like, all of a sudden, you have to retrain your brain to be, have the most energy at 8:00 PM.

• 11:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 11:09Sean Hayes?

  You know, and it's like, of the whole day, you have to have most, most of your energy at 8:00 PM, and boy, it's rough.

• 11:15Speaker 03

  Are you going on stage tonight?

• 11:17Sean Hayes?

  Uh, tomorrow, my quote-unquote "week" starts Wednesdays.

• 11:21Jason Bateman?

  And he's doing a one-man show, Killian, I think you've done, you've done one of those, haven't you?

• 11:25Speaker 03

  I certainly have, yeah, wow, good man.

• 11:28Jason Bateman?

  It's a lot.

• 11:29Speaker 03

  That's like the fucking Everest of acting, that's what I call it.

• 11:33Will Arnett?

  It's pretty rough.

• 11:34Jason Bateman?

  Did you ever have, well, Shawnee, I haven't asked you, I'll ask you both at the same time, has there been a wipeout yet? Like, a total, like, cause that, that's my fear, like, there's no net, there's no, there's no actor you can find the eyes of, and sort of communicate silently. I have no idea what I'm supposed to say next, throw me a line.

• 11:54Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, my line the other night was, um, uh, he tells me, the line is, he tells me, "Two kids came forward to confess to it, it was an accident," that's the line, and three show, three or four shows ago, literally on stage, he tells, uh, uh...

• 12:08Jason Bateman?

  Oh, no.

• 12:09Sean Hayes?

  He, uh...

• 12:11Speaker 03

  In a four-wheel slide.

• 12:13Sean Hayes?

  It's just unbelievable, I mean, you feel like it's 20 minutes long, and I'd go, teenagers, bran their car into him, killed him, and then I just...

• 12:22Will Arnett?

  By the way, I'm sure the audience probably did not notice.

• 12:24Sean Hayes?

  No, I know, but...

• 12:25Will Arnett?

  And for you, it seemed like interminable, like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 12:28Jason Bateman?

  But was it, but isn't, isn't the line you have forgotten linked to the line that follows it?

• 12:34Sean Hayes?

  Yes, of course.

• 12:34Jason Bateman?

  And so you can't just improvise the line you can't remember, because that doesn't shine any light on the next thing you're supposed to say.

• 12:42Sean Hayes?

  But, but, but you do know the, kind of, the context, you just kind of forget the word order, so then you paraphrase until you get back on the train.

• 12:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, you get back on.

• 12:49Jason Bateman?

  So you got right back on, and it was all right?

• 12:51Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, yeah, it was fine, but...

• 12:52Jason Bateman?

  Killian, any, any, any nightmare like that?

• 12:55Will Arnett?

  Yeah.

• 12:56Speaker 03

  You know what, you know the way, when you're doing theatre, it's like the, you got like the left hand side and the right hand side. You've got the sort of stage manager side of your brain and you've got the acting side of your brain, right? So you've got the stage manager side going, right, you dropped the prop back there, so you've got to go back and pick up the prop while you're saying the lines.

• 13:11Sean Hayes?

  That's right.

• 13:12Speaker 03

  And they're acting similar, they're running parallel. So you've got this kind of management in your head going, well, we've got to fix this. And then the other side is talking. So I did probably, but I was, it was like, I quite liked not having to rely on the, you know, the terrified eyes across the stage to some other actor like saying, can you pick up the fucking knife that was not supposed to? So I quite enjoyed it. But what I did find, and I don't know about you, Sean, I could not sleep after it. I could not go to sleep.

• 13:44Sean Hayes?

  It's been rough.

• 13:44Jason Bateman?

  Really? Just wired?

• 13:46Sean Hayes?

  Yeah.

• 13:47Speaker 03

  Absolutely, it was like being thrown out of a helicopter. I could not sleep.

• 13:50Jason Bateman?

  How are you about, about the folks coming backstage and wanting to congratulate you and, and talk a little bit? Like, are you, I would imagine that, I'm obsessed with this.

• 14:00Speaker 03

  I know.

• 14:01Jason Bateman?

  Because I don't want to be fucking bothered, for the most part, at any point in the day.

• 14:05Will Arnett?

  This will keep you from doing Broadway. This, this very thing will keep you from doing Broadway.

• 14:09Sean Hayes?

  I'm with you though, Jay.

• 14:11Jason Bateman?

  But I just feel like, I, I would feel, I would feel burdened to make the person feel comfortable.

• 14:20Sean Hayes?

  Right.

• 14:20Jason Bateman?

  Backstage and, and, and I would just feel their awkwardness and I would feel like I, I need to host them now and I need to, but just because I want, I don't want people to feel uncomfortable. So I, like, I'm still working, I'm still on. And, and do you, do you feel that, either one of you guys with that moment, Killian?

• 14:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, and I, I would be, I think when I was younger, I would, I would always be up for the, like, come back to the dressing room and we'll have a drink and we'll go out. But then as I got older, I just. Couldn't fake it, I think, any long. Just, and then, and then, but I, but equally, I couldn't sleep. So I didn't know what to do. Like, I didn't go for a long walk, have a bath.

• 15:01Jason Bateman?

  Because of the adrenaline, you mean, still?

• 15:03Speaker 03

  Yeah, and then go to the pub. I didn't want to go to the pub. Sit alone, drinking, not a good idea. So what do you, like, what do you do? I don't know what to do.

• 15:10Will Arnett?

  Especially in the top.

• 15:11Speaker 03

  I didn't know what to do.

• 15:13Jason Bateman?

  Well, can I ask you, this, this is another thing I'm fascinated with. And you guys, plug yours, you've heard me twat on about this before. But is, is, is it the same practice overseas there that it is apparently in New York? Where if you are famous, even pseudo-famous, you are obligated. You are obligated to go backstage and pay your respects and say hi. Even if the actor, even if you don't know the actor, any of the actors, and they don't know that you're there. Like, is that apparent, what I've heard is that it's very rude to just watch the show and leave if you're of any sort of notoriety. Is that, is that the same thing in, in, over there?

• 15:55Speaker 03

  Do you guys go back, do you guys go back?

• 15:58Will Arnett?

  Sometimes.

• 15:58Sean Hayes?

  I'm, I, my other half makes me go back.

• 16:02Jason Bateman?

  So you'd, you'd prefer not to, but you, you recognize that there, there is, there is a practice. There is a tradition, there's an obligation, yes.

• 16:09Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, there's like a little pressure, like, if, if they know that you're in the audience because the stage manager comes up and says, I would love to say hi, or if you would like to.

• 16:16Will Arnett?

  Yeah, well, if they do that, then of course, then you do that, that's just, that's just courteous. But if, but if you don't know the person, and they haven't made that connection, I think you're well within your right to just sort of quietly bow out, of course.

• 16:26Sean Hayes?

  That don't come back, I don't pick, I don't think anything about it.

• 16:29Jason Bateman?

  Even if they've, they, they're not in house seats or anything like that, so there's no way for them to assume that you know that they're there.

• 16:34Will Arnett?

  I went to see, I went, I went to see Sean in previews, I went to see Sean in previews, I didn't tell him, and I just left. I didn't even go and say hi to him. And it wasn't until we all went together that, that I went backstage. Not true, Sean, not true.

• 16:46Jason Bateman?

  So, Killian, it's the same, same thing overseas? As far as the practice, the tradition?

• 16:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, I can't, it, people, people do. I remember once I was in, I was doing a show in New York and I had a night off, like you have, Sean, and at the time, John Hurt was doing Crap's Last Tape. And I went to see the, the play, and it was unbelievable, and it was, you know, it was John Hurt. And then the stage manager came up and said, would you like to go back and meet Mr. Hurt? And I went. I was doing a show at the same time and I thought, would I like if John Hurt came back to see me? No, I wasn't comparing myself to John Hurt, but I went, you know what? I think he's probably a bit tired. I'm gonna just leave. So I just left. And then afterwards, I went, you fucking idiot. Why didn't you not go back and meet John Hurt? He's like one of my acting heroes.

• 17:29Jason Bateman?

  Right.

• 17:30Speaker 03

  But I didn't, because I felt he might be a little tired.

• 17:33Jason Bateman?

  Right, and it's like, you're famous, I'm famous, so I thought I'd come back and say hi. That's the thing that sort of cringes me out about it. But I hear that it's actually the opposite, that it's.

• 17:43Sean Hayes?

  You should bring that up more often, Jay.

• 17:44Will Arnett?

  Yeah.

• 17:48Will Arnett?

  Wait, I want to hear about Gillian's musical career. I didn't know this about you. Can you expand on that a little bit?

• 17:56Speaker 03

  Yeah. Well, it seems to be, excuse me, it seems to be quite common, doesn't it? That there's a lot of frustrated musicians in acting. I've counted lots of them. And yeah, it's initially what I'm sure there's probably some of you guys are among them. But I, that's all I wanted to do from the very beginning was play music. And when I saw you, Jason, was at the Radiohead show.

• 18:23Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 18:25Speaker 03

  But, and then obviously it didn't work out. And so I kind of moved into theatre, I think, for to try and get that live experience. You know, that connection with an audience that you get when you play music. And then, and then I just, that just became the main thing. But it was always music, and I'm still obsessed with it.

• 18:45Jason Bateman?

  Are you?

• 18:46Speaker 03

  My first love.

• 18:47Sean Hayes?

  I didn't know that. Are you in a band? I'm sorry, forgive me.

• 18:50Speaker 03

  No, I mean, why would you?

• 18:53Jason Bateman?

  He was with his brother. And is it true, is the story, this is Wikipedia fact, so forgive our rigorous journalism skills. But you guys were, you guys had a band together? And then there was a record label that wanted you to sign, but you were like, this smells like maybe an overreach, and so let's not sign. And then things kind of transitioned into theatre and that became your passion? Was that kind of the way it went?

• 19:23Speaker 03

  More or less, yeah, more or less. Like, it was, my brother was still in, he was playing keys in the man, and he was, he was only sixteen or something when we were on for the record deal. So my parents said, absolutely verboten, you're not ruining your life. You, they said to me, I can ruin my life, but then we just didn't.

• 19:41Jason Bateman?

  Patty, we're gonna protect.

• 19:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 19:45Speaker 03

  So we, it just all kind of fell apart.

• 19:49Jason Bateman?

  Yeah.

• 19:51Speaker 03

  And then I'd never been to the theater before that. And then after that, I saw a play in Cork City where I'm from, which was like.

• 19:58Jason Bateman?

  Clockwork Orange?

• 19:59Speaker 03

  Exactly, yeah. And it was a promenade version of that play and absolutely, absolutely like, I just, it was the greatest thing I'd ever seen.

• 20:09Jason Bateman?

  Had you seen the film before that?

• 20:11Speaker 03

  Not at that, it was banned in Ireland.

• 20:13Jason Bateman?

  Oh, really?

• 20:14Speaker 03

  It was banned in Ireland for, the first time I saw it was, I bought a VHS copy of it in Canada.

• 20:20Jason Bateman?

  Wow.

• 20:20Will Arnett?

  Wow.

• 20:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 20:22Sean Hayes?

  That's about, my grandpa's from Dingle.

• 20:24Will Arnett?

  We love it in Canada. We love it.

• 20:26Sean Hayes?

  My grandfather's from Dingle, my grandmother is from.

• 20:29Speaker 03

  Oh, really?

• 20:30Sean Hayes?

  From County Kerry, yeah.

• 20:32Speaker 03

  Oh, man, I mean, I spent a lot of time in Dingle and around.

• 20:36Sean Hayes?

  It's beautiful, right?

• 20:37Speaker 03

  It's like my favorite place in the world.

• 20:39Sean Hayes?

  Oh, yeah, it's beautiful.

• 20:41Will Arnett?

  Shawnee, have you been over there?

• 20:42Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, just once. I, it's just, to Ding, I mean, to Ireland a couple of times, but to Dingle just once. I still have a, I still, we still have cousins, like distant cousins, I think that still live there.

• 20:52Speaker 03

  Oh, man.

• 20:53Sean Hayes?

  But, yeah, it's really pretty over there.

• 20:54Will Arnett?

  I still have a sweatshirt that says, I got this.

• 20:56Sean Hayes?

  Dingleberry.

• 20:59Will Arnett?

  So you, so the first, so the first time you really experienced the theaters, when you saw Clockwork Orange on stage, is that what you're, is that what your testimony is, Julian?

• 21:10Jason Bateman?

  Do we have your answer, right?

• 21:11Will Arnett?

  Yeah.

• 21:12Jason Bateman?

  Well, how did that, how did that, how did that moment go? Because your, your, your parents are both educators, yes?

• 21:19Speaker 03

  Correct, yeah.

• 21:21Jason Bateman?

  And so this, this, this conversation of, hey, I, I've got, I've got good news and, and, and even better news, I'm stopping my, my pursuit of rock and roll and I'm, and I'm going into theater. Was that? Was that, were they, were they buoyed by that? Or were they like, no, Killian? Were they all right with it?

• 21:48Speaker 03

  Um, I think, like, I was, you mentioned I had a very short flirtation with, like, law. I did like a year of a law degree and I failed like abysmally. And then I tried to get the repeats and then I got the repeats and then I got a part of the play. So I think by that stage, Jay had kind of gone like, whatever, just he's gonna do, he's gonna do his thing. You know, I was, I was 20 then, so that's when you're meant to make mistakes, isn't it?

• 22:16Will Arnett?

  Yeah, and sort of and declare, I'm not really sure, but I'm following some instincts and those are gonna change. Listen, Killian, I'm continuing making mistakes and I'm 55.

• 22:26Speaker 03

  Yes, you're old time.

• 22:28Will Arnett?

  Right? I, I am, as I said the other day, I'm firmly in the student section in life. I've finally come to that realization that I'm like, it's okay.

• 22:37Jason Bateman?

  Well, your tan in the ceiling fan looks like you're, you're doing all right right now.

• 22:41Will Arnett?

  It is, I know, it's really going, I'm sorry about that. I, I had to walk around and find the best place to get internet. I'm not kidding, checking out what had the best, it's right here with the fan behind me.

• 22:50Jason Bateman?

  You've got a monkey on a wheel, you know, just keeping the wifi going.

• 22:54Will Arnett?

  But I'm curious about, I'm curious about you getting your, deciding to, to try to get a law degree, like that, that decision. And then while you're doing that, thinking the whole time, wait a second, I'd rather be doing theater. Like, I've been affected by this, I've got this thought, is that kind of, how did that all kind of transpire?

• 23:12Speaker 03

  I think I had just had that natural inclination to perform, which I'm sure you guys are familiar with, you know, just from the very early age. I just, I'm quite a shy person, but I, I really enjoy getting on a stage. I hate getting on the stages myself, but I love getting up on stages, someone else or playing music.

• 23:29Jason Bateman?

  Isn't that a weird thing where, you know, I, I think all, all four of us are, are, you know, proudly private people. We don't, we're not. We're not shy per se because of what we do, but like, isn't it, isn't it an interesting thing where we'll sit there in front of a camera and be exposed to millions and millions of people, you know, wanting, hoping in a perfect world, millions of people are going to watch what I am doing, yet we sort of shy away from being, you know, the center of attention often when we, when we go out, or even when we go out to promote that thing that we want people to see, we're sort of like, I mean, I'll speak for myself, it's

• 24:13Jason Bateman?

  just like, oh, I gotta go out and talk about it over here and over there and kind of light my hair on fire. It is sort of, the two things are kind of at odds with one another. Well, one's controlled and one isn't.

• 24:24Speaker 03

  That's a very good point.

• 24:26Jason Bateman?

  That's true. That's true. What's your, what's your, what's your favorite way, Killian, to interact with fans? Like, when is it, when is it comfortable for you? I think, I think I know what my answer would be.

• 24:40Speaker 03

  Well, tell me yours, because, tell me yours.

• 24:42Jason Bateman?

  I feel, if it's one-on-one and them, us talking is not going to cause a larger sort of spectacle and cause a scene. Like, I don't want to embarrass myself, my kids, them, you know, create a, so like in an elevator, if it's just me and one person and, you know, and we can have a little conversation as opposed to, oh, take a picture here and then people walking by look at what's going on here. Oh, maybe I should get a picture too. Oh, yeah, I recognize that person. Like, and then it becomes a thing and then, I don't know. I like sort of the one-on-one stuff. What about you?

• 25:21Speaker 03

  I'm the same, yeah. I love, I love a chat. I love when you have a real chat and someone has really enjoyed something you've done. Particularly like, you know, we've all been in shows that have run a long time and people love, the people are very invested in characters, right? And, and, and, and so you have to acknowledge that investment and that they've spent that much time with your characters and, and I love those conversations, you know? I don't like when stuff gets like fetishized. He's going to the shop to buy Melga, my God. He's just like us.

• 25:59Jason Bateman?

  Right, right, right.

• 26:01Speaker 03

  But I love it. I love a conversation.

• 26:03Jason Bateman?

  Right.

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• 29:54Sean Hayes?

  And now, back to the show.

• 29:57Sean Hayes?

  Are you able, at times, to have the same kind of experience with your characters that some of your fans might? In other words, are you able to watch what you do and enjoy it from an audience point of view? Or can you not get the separation from your experience inside the character?

• 30:19Speaker 03

  That's a great question, and I'd love to hear what you guys think about it.

• 30:23Jason Bateman?

  Well, start with, like, do you watch your own stuff? Or are you an actor that... Because I know both, both very, very good actors that watch themselves and learn from that, and then others that they can't, and they won't.

• 30:37Speaker 03

  Well, it's different jobs sometimes, isn't it? Like, this Peaky Blinders film, like, we had the premiere last night in Birmingham.

• 30:44Jason Bateman?

  I just watched it two nights ago, it's incredible. Incredible. I can't wait to see it.

• 30:49Speaker 03

  It was very cool, and, and, uh, well, I was producer on that, so I've seen the thing like 500 times. So, you know, I like, um, it was a very just different kind of experience watching it too. You know, when you just turn up as an actor for her, and you do your work, and then you see it. And some stuff I've never seen at all, um, and some stuff I'm immensely proud of. But, again, I mean, I feel like I try to move forward with everything, then it's like about the next thing, rather than going backwards. What about you guys? What's your take on it? I don't, do any of you sit around watching your work endlessly? No.

• 31:28Jason Bateman?

  That's how I wake up every morning. I can't get out of bed without it. That's your alarm. What about, like, on set, will you ever watch a little bit of playback to, even at like the beginning of the production, just to get a sense of how you're coming across, how they're lighting you, little lenses, or just to get a feel of the tone of it?

• 31:46Speaker 03

  Occasionally, like, particularly for technical stuff, like, you know, like, stuff that's technical, or like a stunt or whatever. But, no, I would never go back and look at, like, um, like, big emotional stuff. But the producing thing has been interesting because it takes the curse off it a little bit. Like, you know, you, you look at it, and you just go, oh my god, that's how you look. And then you just go, right, but it's important for this character to do this, and this guy's got to enter here, and she's got to say this, and we got to cut here, and then, and then it takes a curse off it.

• 32:14Will Arnett?

  Well, you look at you and you look at it through a different lens, obviously, right? So you just like this thing that I did last year. I spend a lot of time having to watch different cuts and stuff. And eventually got to a place where I got over watching myself and and was actually able to watch it really objectively. Yes. About, wait, are we telling the are we telling the best version of the story? We should go back, we should tell you, are we telling the best version? Is this the best take? But all these kinds of things, you know, and and it did, as you say, sort of break the curse a little bit. I was no longer watching my performance. I was watching a bigger, a bigger thing. Yeah, no vanity, just sort of being an audience member. Zero, zero.

• 32:50Sean Hayes?

  I always think I always think I'm slightly better looking than I actually am. And then I'll watch it, I'll go, no, Ben, no, you're not. You're not at all, actually.

• 33:00Will Arnett?

  Turn it off.

• 33:01Sean Hayes?

  Close to being what you thought you looked like.

• 33:05Will Arnett?

  I know.

• 33:06Jason Bateman?

  Well, Killian, was there, speaking of of of music and then law and all this, was there ever a moment where? And thank God you didn't, but was there ever a moment where you thought, yeah, maybe this acting thing that? Let's put that in the bin as well. Let's try career path number four and and go into industry X or occupation Y. Did you ever think about about giving up on on doing this?

• 33:36Speaker 03

  No, really, after a period, you kind of like you burnt your bridges, I think. And there's nothing else available, really. Then and during the fallow periods, obviously, you get really cranky and I'm like, what the fuck is that? But but and I don't like, I'm not a writer, I'm definitely not a writer. And so I didn't have that. But I would go and play music in the kind of fallow bits or just, you know, um, just go and just watch movies and read books. But it is, I didn't know, I never got to the stage where I thought, ah, fuck this. But I did, whenever stuff started to get kind of dry up in film or television, I was very lucky to have a friend of mine called Enda Walsh, who I made an awful lot of theater with.

• 34:20Speaker 03

  And and we we did some really great plays. He gave me my first ever play, part in a play after I saw Clockwork Orange when I was like nineteen, twenty.

• 34:32Speaker 03

  And so I continued to work with him, making like new plays throughout my 30s and 40s. And that kind of kept me sane, I think, you know, when this stuff kind of just people aren't calling, you know?

• 34:44Will Arnett?

  Wow, that's great. That's great. So you established like so long ago, this this collaboration? And you've managed to sort of keep it going for all these years?

• 34:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, I haven't done a play in a while now, because it's kind of become a little terrifying to me.

• 35:01Speaker 03

  Honestly, I'm a little scared.

• 35:02Will Arnett?

  Because you're worried about Jason Bateman coming backstage and saying hi for the show? Is that what's keeping you?

• 35:08Jason Bateman?

  Killian, it's me again. I just, I've come back for one more night.

• 35:13Will Arnett?

  I want every theater to put up Jason's picture backstage and do not let this guy back here.

• 35:18Jason Bateman?

  Super eager will not leave.

• 35:20Will Arnett?

  So you start going to try to do it and they're like, no, no, we're good.

• 35:24Speaker 03

  It's the main reason I did this podcast, so that we could talk about it, actually.

• 35:29Jason Bateman?

  Send up the warning? Is there, is there something that you have, is there, is there, is there some sort of advice that you have? You've, you've gained with your experience now that you wish you could go back and tell that dude back then? That don't worry about the fallow periods, that it's gonna be, is there, is there something that you wish you would have known then? That would have made those, those ups and those downs a bit more tolerable?

• 35:55Speaker 03

  Yeah. This is a great question.

• 35:58Jason Bateman?

  I mean, aside from don't worry, you're gonna win an Oscar one day, hang in there.

• 36:03Will Arnett?

  Yeah, that would definitely lighten the mood.

• 36:07Speaker 03

  I don't know. I think it's that thing about overthinking stuff, you know, overthinking it. Over intellectualizing everything and not sticking to your instinct, I think, is the key thing for artists.

• 36:22Jason Bateman?

  What is that? I know, but what is that healthy balance? Because I've always heard that with, with, with everything in, in, in life, with all of us. I think we've all heard somebody say is, ah, you're overthinking it. But like, isn't, how do you know what the difference is between overthinking?

• 36:39Will Arnett?

  An inappropriate amount of thinking.

• 36:40Jason Bateman?

  Just using the intelligence that you, that, that you've been working on, you know? It's like, we're, we work hard to be smart, or at least we think that we're smart. And so how do you know when to pull back on that? I just don't know.

• 36:53Speaker 03

  Well, what's, what's your guys' approach to like prep then, for example? Because sometimes I would get so. Over, it would just take up everything and everything, we're all consuming. Because the, but then the whole point when you get into a scene is that you have to be completely free of all that.

• 37:10Jason Bateman?

  Yeah.

• 37:10Speaker 03

  And so it's kind of counterintuitive or counterproductive to have all of that prep sometimes. But yet you think your duty is to do all of that. So what, what, how, what, what have you arrived at?

• 37:21Will Arnett?

  It shifted for me. It shifted for me.

• 37:23Sean Hayes?

  I was, I was, I was differ from Jason because I was blown away that, and maybe you do this too, Will. Do, do this too, Will, is like, I make sure I'm off book completely from the first time I step on set or walk out on rehearsal room or whatever it is. Because if I, if I'm having my book in my hand or whatever, I just can't be free, like you're saying, Kellyanne, to explore and be, where Jason has said in the past.

• 37:46Jason Bateman?

  It's total opposite.

• 37:47Sean Hayes?

  Where you don't make choices, you just literally memorize the words and then you work on it in rehearsal.

• 37:52Jason Bateman?

  But I don't even memorize the words because I, my, pardon the term, process, when I memorize has a lot to do with my imagination of, of, of kind of how that's going to kind of go. And I don't like to decide or, or, or, or start to approach a decision of how I'm going to do something until I see and understand what the other actors are going to be doing. And what the director's looking for and how the scene is blocked and where camera's going to be and all this stuff. Because if I predetermined how I'm going to do something and what my faces are going to look like.

• 38:24Sean Hayes?

  And the wires.

• 38:24Jason Bateman?

  You know, it might not work with what the other people are doing.

• 38:27Will Arnett?

  You've got that book of faces. I know you've got that book of polaroids.

• 38:29Jason Bateman?

  I've got those memorized.

• 38:32Will Arnett?

  I started doing, I started memorizing in, in really monotone ways. It's truly. I started memorizing monotone way and recording myself. This is, this is true. And it with a very monotone voice so that I had zero inflection and crossing out all stage direction.

• 38:48Jason Bateman?

  Yeah.

• 38:48Will Arnett?

  And just taking all of that away. And I did get into a situation, I was working on this thing and I got there and they're like, now you've, you've got to go and get the thing on the other side of the room. I'm like, oh, do I? I didn't even know. You know, but, because I, but, but actually it, it, it was very helpful because it just happened very organically and I hadn't thought about that. And so it's really shifted as I've gotten older, how, how I look at it. And my preparation is so much different now than it was. And also JB, I think about like when we were, when we used to do. Arrested Development, for instance. It was much more, Sean, it's a TV show.

• 39:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's a TV show. It used to be a band. We got sued by them.

• 39:30Will Arnett?

  I think for, I think for, when you're, when you're, I used to think about it, sort of prepping to do comedy especially because it was so quick and it would happen so, that, that it didn't serve me certainly, and I know that you were similar in this way, JB, because we did a lot of scenes together. That it was, you, you just kept it, it was all kind of just at the surface until you got there.

• 39:52Sean Hayes?

  Right, because that, that puts, that increases my odds of reacting to you like the audience is, is experiencing it.

• 40:00Will Arnett?

  Yeah, it's so much about rhythm and comedy in that way.

• 40:02Speaker 03

  Rhythm is the big thing, I think. The meaning can come after the rhythm, or I guess for you guys, like if the, if the, the comedy or the gag or the bit that comes out, but like if you get into a rhythm with a, in a scene, and if you, I guess if you have a predetermined rhythm,

• 40:18Will Arnett?

  Oh.

• 40:18Speaker 03

  then how are you gonna lock in with anyone else, I guess?

• 40:21Will Arnett?

  You can't, you can't, and you can't, you, you need to stay nimble to allow for shit to happen.

• 40:26Speaker 03

  But I do think it's different for theater because I would be the same as you, Sean, like with a, with a theater piece, I would be completely off book when I get to.

• 40:34Sean Hayes?

  Yeah.

• 40:35Will Arnett?

  But you also, and here's the difference, you also have a theater, by the time you get there, you're, and you're in rehearsal. I mean, Sean, I know you, for instance, in this, and also for, for Good Night Oscar, what a show! Uh, that you, that you were completely off book.

• 40:51Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, I had to.

• 40:52Will Arnett?

  And then, but then you get into previews, and now you've got a couple of weeks of previews.

• 40:57Sean Hayes?

  And changes.

• 40:57Will Arnett?

  And that sort of, and it changes, and that starts to eat away at all your predetermined stuff that you have, so you don't, but you don't have that luxury when you're making a film or making a show. It's, it's, the, the, the performance is the one, is that day, and that's it.

• 41:12Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, it's funny, you know, it's funny, there, there is this one line where I reference a very famous musical in this current show. And one of the producers of this famous musical came to the show and didn't like that we mentioned his musical that he produced. So, it's a 75-minute monologue, it's just me. And for, so we had to change the one word to another musical. And so for, from the time you started, all I thought about from the time the curtain opened was that one word I had to change.

• 41:41Will Arnett?

  Make sure to get it right.

• 41:42Sean Hayes?

  And I was like, oh shit! From the time you started.

• 41:46Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, I was like, thanks a lot, dude.

• 41:49Sean Hayes?

  Yeah.

• 41:50Jason Bateman?

  All right, um, uh, Killian, twenty eight days, uh, later, um, that was, uh, first film? No.

• 42:02Speaker 03

  No, I'd done a few films in Ireland, kind of small independent films in Ireland.

• 42:06Jason Bateman?

  This is, this is the one that, that, uh, that, that.

• 42:08Speaker 03

  What a film.

• 42:09Jason Bateman?

  Yeah.

• 42:10Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 42:10Jason Bateman?

  Put, put, put you on a lot of, a lot of radars.

• 42:13Speaker 03

  I guess so, yeah.

• 42:14Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, and, and, um, did it, did it, did it feel like, okay, I've got a little bit of wind at my back now, um, and, uh, this, this might work out?

• 42:25Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 42:26Jason Bateman?

  Yes, or?

• 42:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, I think so. At that stage, the film, like, we never expected the film to do well, and it did well, and.

• 42:34Jason Bateman?

  But you did have Danny Boyle. I mean, you knew your, your odds were good, right?

• 42:38Speaker 03

  They were good. They were, because he's a master.

• 42:41Jason Bateman?

  Sure.

• 42:42Speaker 03

  And I had, like, his posters of his films on my wall in my bedroom growing up, you know? Before I ever became an actor, because they were just so cool, like Trainspotting and Shallow Grave.

• 42:54Jason Bateman?

  I had a lot of trains.

• 42:54Speaker 03

  And, I mean, it's a masterpiece, and, um, but the thing about it was that zombie genre was, wasn't very cool at the time, or wasn't really like, there hadn't been a kind of a zombie thing.

• 43:07Jason Bateman?

  Right.

• 43:08Speaker 03

  And even though this is technically like an infection, they're not undead, but anyway, at that time that we shot it, like, it was two, the summer of two thousand and one, and then, then obviously, like, nine eleven happened, and then, but before that, SARS had happened, and then, and then obviously, all those years later, like, COVID happened, and it became this kind of meme, and it's a very prescient writing, very good writing.

• 43:34Jason Bateman?

  Yeah.

• 43:35Speaker 03

  And and people went nuts for the original movie. So, yeah, I it was a great start. But I went through the wringer for that movie. Danny, I had like five or six auditions for that to get the parks. I'd done very little at the time.

• 43:49Jason Bateman?

  Yeah.

• 43:50Speaker 03

  I I kind of knew it was a real substantial script. But Alex Garland wrote the script and Danny directed it.

• 43:56Will Arnett?

  Great writer.

• 43:57Speaker 03

  He was such a great writer and an amazing director.

• 43:59Will Arnett?

  What amazing director. What was the moment from your last audition? When did you find out that you got it after going through all the auditions and being like, Jesus Christ?

• 44:09Jason Bateman?

  You remember that moment? You remember where you were?

• 44:11Speaker 03

  I do, actually. I was I was I do. I was in an air. I was in a I was in Stansted Airport in the queue to get a Ryanair flight back to Dublin. And Danny called me. And I had to do one of those like unbelievably contained.

• 44:26Jason Bateman?

  Uh huh.

• 44:28Speaker 03

  Celebrations where you like drop my bag and sit down and kind of. But um, yeah, it was it was massive for me, that movie. It's fucking twenty twenty three years ago or something.

• 44:39Jason Bateman?

  Wow. Uh, now, he he he talks often, doesn't he, about energy over perfection? Do I have that right? His his sort of his M O on on on set. Can you can you explain what what he might mean by that? What what it's what it's what his direction, his environment is like? What that set is like? What his what his style is like?

• 45:02Speaker 03

  Sounds about right, yeah. He he's incredible energy and passion for it. Like, he never stops moving. He never stops. Uh, like, he's on every single element of the of the of the set. Um, and and it's constant ideas, constant. Um, he's constantly pushing, you know, and really pushing the actors and pushing every department. Um, and I I absolutely loved that at that age. I don't think I'd been in, you know, working with someone who was so coherent in their vision for the film, if you know what I mean.

• 45:40Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, sure. Just full enthusiasm and just knows all four corners of what this scene's supposed to do and how it's supposed to be done.

• 45:47Speaker 03

  Yeah. And it's infectious. And every time you think, oh, that was pretty good, like, you know, you're off again. And we shot that on domestic cameras, like these little. Do you remember in the early two thousands, everyone had these little cameras with?

• 45:59Jason Bateman?

  Yeah.

• 46:00Speaker 03

  Like cards in them and stuff. So they were all like stuff you could buy. Like camcorders almost, yeah. Yeah, they were slightly more of as I can't remember what the format is, but anyway, it was just one of those movies that kind of clicked, you know.

• 46:14Jason Bateman?

  Yeah.

• 46:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 46:15Jason Bateman?

  A, a, a, a style that I, I would imagine is, is it wildly different than, you know, what an incredible collaboration you've had with Christopher Nolan.

• 46:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, I was gonna get to that.

• 46:26Jason Bateman?

  Six projects, right?

• 46:27Speaker 03

  Incredible.

• 46:28Jason Bateman?

  That from what I, from what I understand, what I've heard is, um, uh, a, a more exacting and, and, and contained and deliberate approach to, to the execution, yes or no? And, and, you know, to the extent you're comfortable talking about it, cause I, I, I would assume that, um, you know, environments on, on sets, well, not assume, I know, uh, they're, they're often private, you know, individual environments that are, are weird to re-describe, but, um, uh, it, it just strikes me having, not many actors get to work with the same directors, six different projects. I'd imagine you guys have a bit of a shorthand and, and a, a real comfort in each other's style.

• 47:14Speaker 03

  Oh yeah, I mean, I, I've learned so much from Chris, he's completely kind of shaped my whole career. I mean, it's, it's very clear, like working, working over 20 years. But he's, he's absolutely remarkable. He is incredibly rigorous, incredibly precise, but within that there's fantastic freedom.

• 47:34Jason Bateman?

  Yeah.

• 47:35Speaker 03

  You know, there's only whatever one camera and there's Chris and he's got this tiny little monitor that he has that puts back.

• 47:40Jason Bateman?

  Never two cameras?

• 47:42Speaker 03

  Rarely unless there's a big set piece, you know?

• 47:44Jason Bateman?

  Yeah.

• 47:44Speaker 03

  Um, um, but he has this tiny little thing, again, from like the nineties, that he watches a shitty little playback from the thing, but he rarely is watching it because he's right beside the camera watching you. Um, and you'll never leave, he'll never leave a scene unless he feels like, you know, you're happy and he's happy. And, um,

• 48:06Speaker 03

  It's, it's, I can't really explain how wonderful it is, how focused is, how fast it is, but yet it never feels fast. Like, we shot Oppenheimer in fifty-nine days or something like that.

• 48:17Will Arnett?

  Wow.

• 48:17Jason Bateman?

  With all that scope.

• 48:19Will Arnett?

  I know.

• 48:19Jason Bateman?

  Amazing. So do you think that that's, that speed or that efficiency, it just comes as a result of him really being precise about knowing what, what he wants, what he needs? He's properly prepared and he doesn't hang around longer than he's gotten what he wants for that particular shot, and off we go?

• 48:38Speaker 03

  Exactly. I mean, he's written, he's written the thing and he knows every single frame. He storyboarded it all in his head. So it's, and the thing about Nolan movies is, if, when they used to be DVDs, there was never any extras, because he shoots the script. The script is the script. There's no deleted scenes, there's no extra, it's the script. And he finishes every movie like ahead of schedule on the budget.

• 48:59Will Arnett?

  Yeah. Do you, do you, do you feel, having him, yeah, it's pretty remarkable. Having him right next to camera, and, and obviously you guys, because you've worked so much together, there, there is a comfort there. Do you, do you get a comfort of having, do you feel that comfort of having him right there next to camera, close to you?

• 49:17Speaker 03

  Yeah. There's no such thing as video village or like monitors or anything.

• 49:20Jason Bateman?

  It's like when I stand next to you, Will.

• 49:22Will Arnett?

  Yeah.

• 49:23Jason Bateman?

  You just, you can see it.

• 49:25Will Arnett?

  Will's shoulders just drop. No, we're talking about comfort. But I mean, so, and, and so, so then I'm gonna ask you, so, so you feel that and you might, that's, yeah, it's, it's evident in, in your work that you do with him. And, so I wonder if, when you go and you do work with other directors, do you ever feel that like sort of sense of, not detachment, but sometimes if it is further, they are further away, or they are at video village, or you're not, and you don't have that sort of, that proximity, that relationship that's so close, do you, do you feel the difference sometimes? And, and I don't mean this as a, to disparage other directors, clearly.

• 49:59Speaker 03

  Sure. No, I understand. No, I, I think it's like what we were discussing earlier. You know, you Over time, you, I think it's our duty to be really, really flexible, isn't it? Because if you come on one set with us, and this is the only way I will work.

• 50:13Sean Hayes?

  Sure.

• 50:13Speaker 03

  Some directors love to rehearse, some directors don't love to rehearse. Some directors love have everybody look at the monitor and chat and others, you know, don't do that. So you have to kind of bend to their approach, I find. And, and I love doing that, like, and, you know, I don't particularly love rehearsing on film, but if there's a director that insists on it, I'll go for it, you know?

• 50:35Sean Hayes?

  Yeah.

• 50:36Speaker 03

  Because it's their vision and I'm just there to serve the, the vision. And so I kind of like that, the adventure of it. And I'm sure you guys are all the, the same, you know? It's a, it's like, it's always like a new circus. And every time you get a new job, it's like, there's new circus and what's it going to involve and what are, what, what, you know? So I like that.

• 50:55Sean Hayes?

  For sure.

• 50:57Sean Hayes?

  We'll be right back.

• 51:00Sean Hayes?

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• 54:18Jason Bateman?

  And back to the show.

• 54:21Jason Bateman?

  How do you like affecting the health of that circus? The harmony of that environment depending on your level of influence on that set? Like, you know, just even the Nolan films, for example, there are some where you're a part of an ensemble. And then like Oppenheimer, you're the lead and you're you can affect the environment. Peaky Blinders, you know, again, sort of the captain and also in a producerial position as well. Do you enjoy that sort of leadership position? Or do you like to disappear and do just be sort of part of the team? And be like a soldier?

• 55:06Speaker 03

  I think it's a bit of both, really, isn't it? If like, if, because it is funny you say soldier because the whole like, the whole of film set is based off like the old military kind of setup, isn't it? Like what's your director and your first AD and your second AD and your third AD and you know, everyone's got you got number one on the call, you're number two on the call. You know, and it has to work like that. And you know, and everything comes from the top, I think, you know, the atmosphere and the ambiance and the vibe and the energy always is percolates down from the leaders, like the producers and the director and the lead actors down to how everyone. So I think it's always nice to, I love to have a set where people are having a bit of fun and a bit of crack and cracking the Irish vernacular.

• 55:50Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 55:53Will Arnett?

  We were with you, we were with you.

• 55:54Speaker 03

  Okay, good.

• 55:57Will Arnett?

  Oh, boy. Killian Murphy loves crack.

• 56:01Jason Bateman?

  We've got our, yeah. Killian, how do you, speaking about how, how do you stay so fit? You're always like, you're, I know you're younger than us, but

• 56:09Sean Hayes?

  I think it's crack, is it not? They just told us.

• 56:12Jason Bateman?

  Because you have kids too, right? You're constantly working, you're constantly on the go. And but you're in like incredible shape.

• 56:20Speaker 03

  Will looks pretty good there.

• 56:21Jason Bateman?

  He does.

• 56:22Will Arnett?

  Oh, thanks, man.

• 56:23Jason Bateman?

  That's bronzer. A lot of that's bronzer.

• 56:25Will Arnett?

  Yeah, it is. I just sprayed it on him.

• 56:27Speaker 03

  No, I think, I think all of you guys are very well maintained. I think it's kind of part of the job, isn't it, unfortunately or fortunately? I don't know.

• 56:36Jason Bateman?

  Well, there's another part of that Wikipedia incredible hints I got. There was, is it true that you, to avoid mad cow disease, you went vegetarian? Then you started eating, then you started eating meat to bulk up for Peaky Blinders? And then you stopped eating, and you're back to vegetarian for, it didn't, it didn't give me the reason for the return. But do they have it right so far?

• 57:05Speaker 03

  That's more or less accurate. I, I met my wife when I was 20, and she was, she's been a vegetarian all her life. So I was kind of, became a vegetarian then. And then I did kind of, so it was more out of convenience than of any real sort of, you know, opposition to it. But now I do do it because I don't really want to eat animals or, you know, but.

• 57:32Will Arnett?

  And if you were to, you would make ends meet.

• 57:34Jason Bateman?

  Thank you, Will. And that's our episode, everybody. Thank you for joining us. Wonderful book. We have made the two pieces of string connect at the bottom. No, but you know, that whole, that whole bulking up thing, I'm all over the place. But I saw this documentary once, because I went vegetarian for a year to tread a lower my cholesterol, and it only dropped one point after 12 months of eating nothing.

• 57:59Will Arnett?

  Really? I remember that.

• 58:01Jason Bateman?

  Sticks and berries, yeah.

• 58:02Will Arnett?

  Wasn't that long ago.

• 58:03Jason Bateman?

  But I watched this documentary while I was doing it, and, and they made a point that you don't need meat to bulk up, because they made a point that, like gorillas are vegetarians, rhinoceros, giraffe, like these huge animals, all they eat are leaves.

• 58:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, you're absolutely right there. And I should just, the update is that I am now, like, I've always been pescatarian, and I don't eat any meat. So that's the Wikipedia update.

• 58:33Jason Bateman?

  So fish? We'll add that in there today.

• 58:36Speaker 03

  Thanks.

• 58:37Jason Bateman?

  You say you do do the fish?

• 58:38Speaker 03

  I do do the fish, yes.

• 58:40Jason Bateman?

  Right, right.

• 58:41Speaker 03

  And you're entirely right. It's, it's very possible, if you need to do that, to do it through plant protein, of course. I don't, I was just being an idiot back then.

• 58:50Jason Bateman?

  I'm still an idiot. All right, let's talk to me about Peaky Blinders. Now, just.

• 58:56Sean Hayes?

  How long had you been doing? How long, sorry, Jay, how long did you do Peaky Blinders before? How long have you been living in the world of Peaky Blinders?

• 59:03Speaker 03

  So we did the show on and off for since two. We shot the first season in the end of 2012. So on and off.

• 59:12Jason Bateman?

  So, wow, 14 years.

• 59:13Speaker 03

  So, which I worked out was like a quarter of my life.

• 59:17Jason Bateman?

  Yeah. And how have you? I'm sure you have enjoyed because you could have left it earlier, but you have undoubtedly enjoyed the progression of Tommy and shaping his growth along with Stephen Knight, yes?

• 59:38Speaker 03

  Yes, but I'm curious to know about you guys as well because people ask me this stuff. And you know that old showbiz adage like, you know, don't quit a hit like so.

• 59:46Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, amen.

• 59:47Speaker 03

  Like if something is working and people, you know, a lot of journalists will say, oh, it must be, you know, hard going back playing the same. It's amazing writing.

• 59:55Jason Bateman?

  Well, if it's incredibly high quality like what you guys have there and the film, my God, took it to even a higher level of production value and cinematic pleasures. Just unbelievably well directed and shot and scored and performed and lit. I mean, what a film. But yes, amen. If you've got, if you've got a gig in this business, stick with it. These people that like quit their, quit their series job because they, they want to be open for all the feature opportunities that they feel might be just around the corner. It's like, no, ding dong.

• 1:00:40Jason Bateman?

  You got time for those too.

• 1:00:41Will Arnett?

  I love that character of yours, the guy who talks like this, who does the thing that he does.

• 1:00:46Sean Hayes?

  I want to be freed up for features. Like.

• 1:00:50Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:00:51Speaker 03

  But also I think the thing that you, that those people forget is that the features people are all watching the show.

• 1:00:58Jason Bateman?

  Right.

• 1:00:59Speaker 03

  And thinking.

• 1:00:59Sean Hayes?

  Right, right, right.

• 1:01:00Will Arnett?

  Of course.

• 1:01:01Sean Hayes?

  Right.

• 1:01:02Speaker 03

  Wouldn't they be great in my film?

• 1:01:04Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, right, right.

• 1:01:05Sean Hayes?

  Kelly, do you spend a lot of time in the States or are you happy where you are?

• 1:01:09Speaker 03

  I do come over for work, yeah. I've never, I haven't lived other than, you know, for jobs, like jobs.

• 1:01:15Sean Hayes?

  So you love Ireland?

• 1:01:17Speaker 03

  Well, I lived in London for a long time for like, we lived here for 14 years and.

• 1:01:22Sean Hayes?

  Oh, you live in London now. I'm sorry.

• 1:01:23Speaker 03

  No, I'm sorry. Sorry. We're back in Ireland now for about 10 years, but we did live in London for 14.

• 1:01:29Sean Hayes?

  Oh, got it.

• 1:01:30Speaker 03

  And then before that, we were kind of like, you know, wherever work would take me, I guess.

• 1:01:34Sean Hayes?

  Why do you ask, Sean? Do you have a Airbnb?

• 1:01:37Jason Bateman?

  Well, no, it'd be nice to have.

• 1:01:39Will Arnett?

  You got a rental that you just pay off the mortgage, just to cover cost, right? And what can you offer them? Housekeeper comes twice a week?

• 1:01:46Sean Hayes?

  The occupant just take off on you? I just think first and last and a deposit, we're good.

• 1:01:52Sean Hayes?

  No, because, no, I don't know. I'm always curious because I love it where you are and I get, I get the draw to both. I mean, America's obviously incredible and yeah.

• 1:02:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, but we're kind of like itinerant, aren't we? We just have to follow the work and that's the nature of it.

• 1:02:11Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, we're in the circus, as you say.

• 1:02:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, and you kind of, my friend once called it the circus of the unemployable.

• 1:02:22Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, that is.

• 1:02:23Jason Bateman?

  The thing I was gonna ask you about, about doing multiple seasons, years of the same character is, you know, how much have you enjoyed having that character grow with you, because of you? Has Killian grown through what you've been experimenting with, with Tommy? I mean, I'm sure there's a yes to all of this.

• 1:02:51Jason Bateman?

  So I'm not positive what the question is, which is a habit of mine.

• 1:02:56Speaker 03

  I know what you mean. I know what you mean. I know. I think it's a good question and honestly, I don't really have a really good answer though, because we just finished, we've just finished it and it's just coming out and I think need a little bit of distance to reflect. I think it's, my initial kind of response to it is that it was a massive gift. To be able to tap that vein of writing and for it to stay that good and for it to, because it was this little show on BBC Two on a Sunday night that. You know, no one had any expectations for it. I had no promotion or anything like that. And it was genuinely made by fans on the internet telling each other to watch it.

• 1:03:36Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:03:37Speaker 03

  It just grew and grew. One of those kind of beautiful, a kind of freaks that happened sometimes in our business where people just love it and and then the show gets confidence, you know.

• 1:03:49Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, it's because, I mean, I I I would think it was because it took such a distinct point of view. There there you weren't sort of pandering to a a a huge audience, you know. You were sort of like, we're gonna make the show that we really like. We're gonna put the we're gonna shoot it the way we wanna shoot it. We're gonna put this music in there that that we really love. And hopefully enough people like it to just keep us on the air. But we're not looking to be some massive hit. And that type of specificity and commitment actually yielded a a a real fervent fan base.

• 1:04:21Will Arnett?

  Well, as opposed as opposed to sort of trying to retrofit, trying to go like, we wanna we wanna make a show that hits all this audience. And so how can we and that's never that's a recipe for disaster. I wonder, Killian, were there moments during various seasons of the show and certainly before the film? Like, were there moments you're like, this is it, this is the last one? And then it happened again, like, did you ever have those like where you felt like, or was it always open ended? Like, we're gonna do more.

• 1:04:47Speaker 03

  Well, they wouldn't, they were, they were never, like, we we only got one series. And then we were hoping we'd get recommissioned, you know. I think we did maybe four and five, one after the other. I can't really recall. But he all like Steve always had it in his head. So the the series begins at the end of World War One. And he always had it in his head that it would end at the the opening or sort of the beginning of World War Two. And he's achieved that.

• 1:05:15Jason Bateman?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:16Speaker 03

  And so that was such a like, no one had like, there's lots and lots of, you know, films about the First World War and many, many, many films about the Second World War. But not so many films or TV shows that deal with Britain between the wars. Which is so that's where he said it. And in Birmingham, which is like the second city in in the UK and and has its very own specific and unique history. And so it it it I think because, like you say, it didn't have these ambitions to be this huge show. But yes, it because it was so unique that people came to it. I don't know. I just don't know why.

• 1:05:57Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, well, if we all knew it made a hit, everything would be a hit.

• 1:05:59Jason Bateman?

  You are such a classy fellow. I'm sure you'd be very hesitant to take any credit. But I would guess that you can take some credit, perhaps, for the incredibly beautifully bold move of the music.

• 1:06:15Speaker 03

  Haircuts?

• 1:06:18Jason Bateman?

  The music throughout the show, is that something that, I mean, given your music background, your current musical taste? I mean, it's just such an exciting sort of juxtaposition and, you know, this modern fucking punk rock throughout something that is set in, you know, World War I.

• 1:06:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:06:41Jason Bateman?

  It's just great.

• 1:06:43Speaker 03

  It was, that was a bit of a, kind of a, I guess, like a big swing at the time. And Otto Bathurst directed the first three series and he put that Nick Cave tune, that Red Right Hand, right at the beginning of the... And it was incredibly anachronistic and it shouldn't have worked, for some reason it did, and then we were kind of off. And then all these artists threw out it, like PJ Harvey and like David Bowie and Radiohead. And everybody started, you know, wanting to have their music on the show and giving us original music. And it's been kind of remarkable. It's just an absolute privilege for a music nerd like me, you know?

• 1:07:21Jason Bateman?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:21Speaker 03

  What a treat.

• 1:07:23Jason Bateman?

  All right, well, I'm assuming you've answered this question a million times, but putting Peaky Blinders to bed, I will ask you.

• 1:07:33Jason Bateman?

  Are you, I'm sure you're gonna take a big part of him with you. Do you, you gonna miss him? Are you gonna miss playing that, that character? It's just been, you've just done so much work in that skin.

• 1:07:49Speaker 03

  I guess, I suppose, I probably will.

• 1:07:52Jason Bateman?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:53Speaker 03

  I don't think about it. What do you guys feel about those long-running shows and those characters? I'm curious to know.

• 1:07:58Jason Bateman?

  Just turn the page, right?

• 1:07:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:08:00Jason Bateman?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:00Speaker 03

  But do you actually feel, I mean, are you extremely unsentimental? Or do you have a great affection for them?

• 1:08:06Jason Bateman?

  My personal either limits or strategy or style or whatever is to find that character inside of me. You know, it's usually way over on one side or the other of what my goalposts are, you know, the limits of who I am. So that person's always inside of me, so I'll always carry that character with me a bit. I feel like if it's outside my goalposts, then I get into acting. So I gotta find, you know, there would be a version of him inside me somewhere.

• 1:08:41Jason Bateman?

  What about you two fellows?

• 1:08:42Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, I'm proud and excited that the fans love the character I played for so many years. But for me personally, I'm, yeah, like Jason just said, ready to move on.

• 1:08:54Jason Bateman?

  Turn after that.

• 1:08:55Will Arnett?

  I'm not sentimental in that way.

• 1:08:58Jason Bateman?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, neither am I, yeah.

• 1:09:00Jason Bateman?

  You're happy to say kind of goodbye, nice knowing you, next.

• 1:09:04Sean Hayes?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:04Speaker 03

  I think so, yeah. I'm very proud of it. And like you say, like really proud that it had such an impact and that the people invested so much. But yeah, yeah, you have to have a forward momentum.

• 1:09:16Jason Bateman?

  It's more for me, usually it's the people I've worked with doing it that it's really tragic that we have to get used to saying goodbye to. That's an odd muscle that we all unfortunately have to strengthen is saying goodbye to these families that we're constantly creating on sets.

• 1:09:34Speaker 03

  That's the strange thing.

• 1:09:35Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:09:37Will Arnett?

  You know, when you run into someone, I was just thinking about you run into people that you worked with on something really intensely and you see them like at a restaurant or out in the street or at something else, you know, and it's, I don't even just mean actors, like anybody who's part of the filmmaking process. Production designer, whomever, and you see them, you're like, and you go, hey.

• 1:09:54Jason Bateman?

  What the hell are you doing?

• 1:09:55Will Arnett?

  And you've got this, you've got this like really intense part of your life where you had this real connect where you're both doing this creative endeavor. You're like, hey, but you've always got that, you know what I mean?

• 1:10:06Jason Bateman?

  And your family has no idea who these people are.

• 1:10:09Will Arnett?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:09Jason Bateman?

  And you've spent more time with them in the last few years than you have your actual family, and they've never met them.

• 1:10:14Will Arnett?

  And they bring you such joy in that moment when you see them.

• 1:10:17Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:10:17Speaker 03

  Yes, and then it's instant. There's no like getting to know you again. It's just you're straight back into it because you've been through the trenches.

• 1:10:25Jason Bateman?

  Strange. Well, we are two minutes over. Yeah, parting shot, Shawnee?

• 1:10:33Sean Hayes?

  No, I was just gonna say, now when I run into you, Killian, we worked on this together.

• 1:10:37Jason Bateman?

  We did.

• 1:10:37Sean Hayes?

  So we have this moment and this experience together. So when we run into each other.

• 1:10:43Jason Bateman?

  Peaky Blinders, The Immortal Man, in select theaters, it already, March 6th it was, and on Netflix, March 20th. It, I highly recommend this thing. And you can't wait. Fold laundry watching it either. Put the laundry down, tuck in, and enjoy every frame of this thing. Incredible work done by, in front of him, behind the cameras. Just, it's a stunning film. Really.

• 1:11:14Speaker 03

  You're very kind. It's lovely to chat to you guys. I want, I had loads of questions to ask you guys.

• 1:11:18Jason Bateman?

  Oh, let's start. Get yourself a podcast and invite us on. They're handing them out.

• 1:11:25Speaker 03

  We haven't had a gossip.

• 1:11:26Sean Hayes?

  Oh, we can gossip all day long.

• 1:11:29Speaker 03

  Well, you can gossip after I leave.

• 1:11:31Sean Hayes?

  Yeah. Such a pleasure to meet you. I'm.

• 1:11:33Will Arnett?

  What a pleasure.

• 1:11:34Sean Hayes?

  Been a big fan for a long, long time.

• 1:11:35Will Arnett?

  Such a big fan. Yeah, same. Such a big fan.

• 1:11:37Speaker 03

  Likewise, guys.

• 1:11:38Jason Bateman?

  You're the man, Killian.

• 1:11:39Speaker 03

  Lovely to, lovely to chat to you all. We'll do it again sometime.

• 1:11:42Jason Bateman?

  Enjoy your evening. Get your slippers on.

• 1:11:44Speaker 03

  Thanks.

• 1:11:45Jason Bateman?

  All right.

• 1:11:45Speaker 03

  See you guys. Yeah, it's nearly bedtime now.

• 1:11:48Jason Bateman?

  All right. Bye, buddy.

• 1:11:48Speaker 03

  Good night. Bye bye.

• 1:11:50Jason Bateman?

  Bye.

• 1:11:53Jason Bateman?

  Well, there he is. And you know, the most remarkable thing about his talent? That accent, completely fake. He is actually from... Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:12:02Will Arnett?

  No kidding?

• 1:12:03Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, Canton, Ohio.

• 1:12:04Will Arnett?

  Why would he?

• 1:12:06Sean Hayes?

  Canton, Ohio.

• 1:12:07Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, his dad actually was one of the people that helped build the NFL Hall of Fame. NFL Hall of Fame.

• 1:12:13Sean Hayes?

  Wow, that's amazing.

• 1:12:14Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, yeah. Amazing. No, this is a character he hasn't dropped for years. Incredible.

• 1:12:18Will Arnett?

  I mean, that's deep.

• 1:12:20Jason Bateman?

  That is amazing.

• 1:12:21Will Arnett?

  Deep, deep.

• 1:12:21Sean Hayes?

  So, wow, that's like a...

• 1:12:22Jason Bateman?

  What a fella.

• 1:12:23Sean Hayes?

  You know what?

• 1:12:24Will Arnett?

  Yeah, he's so good.

• 1:12:25Sean Hayes?

  Christopher Nolan and him, like, you kind of think of those two together. And I was trying to think of like, who else there? There's a lot of, there's a lot of them, like, Tim Burton and Johnny Depp.

• 1:12:33Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, Leonardo DiCaprio and Martin Scorsese now.

• 1:12:37Will Arnett?

  Sure.

• 1:12:38Sean Hayes?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:39Will Arnett?

  Vinnie Erich Scorsese.

• 1:12:40Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, and Tom Hanks and Spielberg did a bunch, didn't they?

• 1:12:43Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:12:45Jason Bateman?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:12:45Sean Hayes?

  He's one of them.

• 1:12:46Jason Bateman?

  Uh, here comes a joke, right? Let's see, Sean Hayes and...

• 1:12:49Will Arnett?

  I thought that was leading to a bye, but no, that was a real observation.

• 1:12:54Jason Bateman?

  It was. He was being sincere while he searches for a bye. Where do you go? Is there a bye website, Sean?

• 1:13:00Sean Hayes?

  I do have a bunch of bye things, but...

• 1:13:04Jason Bateman?

  Boy, Will, you're showing a lot of restraint, not doing any of the bye jokes at all.

• 1:13:09Sean Hayes?

  Shoot. Oh, that's a good...

• 1:13:13Will Arnett?

  Sean, oh, Sean, did you key in on one?

• 1:13:16Jason Bateman?

  Did you get one?

• 1:13:17Sean Hayes?

  I did. This just came to me. I hope, you know, I hope the movie, I can't wait to see the movie of our guest today.

• 1:13:23Will Arnett?

  It's great. What's it called?

• 1:13:24Sean Hayes?

  It's called Peaky Binder.

• 1:13:27Jason Bateman?

  Beautiful, Sean.

• 1:13:44Will Arnett?

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• 1:15:07Sean Hayes?

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