"Anthony Mackie"

This week— Mr. Anthony Mackie joins us to discuss little upgrades, crazier crafty, and making a friend of pilates. A couple’a nice seats for a premiere would be great… It’s an all-new SmartLess.

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:00Sean Hayes?

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• 1:59Sean Hayes?

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• 2:42Will Arnett?

  Well, here we are. It's Will. I've, uh, Sean and Jason aren't here yet, but I just want to say, don't be naughty on this all-new Smartless.

• 3:08Sean Hayes?

  You know what, though? Being in London, thank you. That's where I'm at. Thanks, everybody.

• 3:12Jason Bateman?

  Oh, Sean's got material.

• 3:13Sean Hayes?

  No, I don't.

• 3:14Jason Bateman?

  So, listener, let's catch you up. Sean is in London doing, um, another run of Good Night Oscar. What a production!

• 3:26Speaker 03

  Thank you for bringing it back! Thank you for Europe. It's much more convenient for me and my travels.

• 3:34Speaker 03

  Good night, London!

• 3:36Sean Hayes?

  Good night, London.

• 3:38Speaker 03

  Buonasera!

• 3:41Sean Hayes?

  No, the...

• 3:42Speaker 03

  Buonasera, Oscar!

• 3:47Sean Hayes?

  No, the, um, by the way, I'm looking out my window at Westminster Abbey. Can you believe that? Isn't that wonderful?

• 3:54Jason Bateman?

  You've got yourself a nice place there, huh? Am I gonna wait? Am I, oh yeah, can you show me my room? Listener, I'm about to live with Sean.

• 4:01Will Arnett?

  You're gonna go stay with those guys, huh?

• 4:02Jason Bateman?

  Yeah. Remember how you used to do that? When you would travel with Sean and go to all these wonderful places around the planet? Well, I get to do one now.

• 4:09Will Arnett?

  You know what? It's so funny. When I, when I heard that, I actually thought about your, your sort of crappy little voice being sad about that and then how that you were gonna be excited that you were going to stay with Sean.

• 4:20Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, I love it. It's no Istanbul, but it'll do.

• 4:23Sean Hayes?

  No, it's better.

• 4:24Will Arnett?

  Or Venice, or Venice.

• 4:25Sean Hayes?

  Or Venice. Well, that's a tight, that's a tight second. Both of them.

• 4:29Jason Bateman?

  But Sean, it's going well so far. You remembering to look right when you step off the curb?

• 4:33Sean Hayes?

  Isn't that wild? I really am trying to get, and by the way, you know the other thing? When you're walking on a sidewalk, I have to go to the left, right?

• 4:41Jason Bateman?

  No, you don't. What are you talking about?

• 4:42Sean Hayes?

  If you're gonna pass somebody. Yeah, because they're, they're, they're, they're hoping you do that.

• 4:46Jason Bateman?

  Are they?

• 4:47Sean Hayes?

  I'm telling you. Yeah, they're, I'm telling you because I lean to the right and they're like, and then they lean to the right and then I lean to the right. They keep going to the right.

• 4:53Jason Bateman?

  You've been leaning right for years, though. I think you and Will are gonna jump parties on me soon.

• 4:59Sean Hayes?

  Um, wait, but you know that like, you walk around London and you're like, wow, I get why J.K. Rowling wrote Harry Potter. Like, it's so, it's so magical. Like, it's incredible here.

• 5:10Jason Bateman?

  I know, I do love that place.

• 5:12Sean Hayes?

  It's incredible. And people that live here that I talk to, they're like, yeah, you know. What's that?

• 5:17Will Arnett?

  Just kidding Rowling? Is that what it is?

• 5:18Sean Hayes?

  Just kidding Rowling, J.K.

• 5:20Jason Bateman?

  Will, you've been to, you've been to England, right? You, do you like Europe? Do you like England, London in particular? And here he comes.

• 5:29Will Arnett?

  Don't try to bait me. Don't try to, it was a classic bait, man. Don't try to do it. I'm not gonna do it.

• 5:34Sean Hayes?

  Willie, why don't you come out? Why don't you come out?

• 5:36Jason Bateman?

  Why don't you just, just move there? I don't know why you got yourself, uh...

• 5:39Will Arnett?

  I am gonna come out. Sean, I made a plan this morning. We're gonna come see your play in August. I'm not gonna, uh, we're gonna go over the dates. I'm coming, Bradley and I are coming, and Chappie.

• 5:49Sean Hayes?

  That's, no way. That's so nice. What, you're, by the way, you can, we have tons. No, we're doing reshoots, yeah. We're, we have tons of room, Willie. You can stay with us if you want.

• 5:58Will Arnett?

  Fantastic.

• 5:59Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, it's unbelievably beautiful.

• 6:02Jason Bateman?

  Well, that, that, that I'm very excited for, but I hear you got there and it was in kind of shabby shape. You had to bring in a deep clean company?

• 6:09Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, when we got to this place that we got, no, no, no, not deep clean, but you know, it has an elevator because it's an old townhouse.

• 6:16Jason Bateman?

  Oh, boy.

• 6:16Sean Hayes?

  And of course, the elevator broke down.

• 6:18Jason Bateman?

  No, while you were in it again?

• 6:19Sean Hayes?

  No, I wasn't in it this time, but I keep a bottle of Valium in it.

• 6:23Will Arnett?

  You know what, can I just say something?

• 6:24Jason Bateman?

  It might be user error at this point.

• 6:26Will Arnett?

  Can I just say something?

• 6:27Jason Bateman?

  It might be what?

• 6:27Will Arnett?

  This is, this is.

• 6:28Jason Bateman?

  User error. I think it's your fault or Scotty's fault.

• 6:30Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, sure.

• 6:31Will Arnett?

  This is important to say at this juncture, and it, which is because we, just in the times we live in, and I think that for you to be able to speak so openly and so bravely and so relatably about the shabby shape of the elevator in your townhouse in London.

• 6:44Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, this is the second dwelling you've been in with an elevator. I've never been in a place with an elevator.

• 6:48Sean Hayes?

  Oh, but there's, yeah, I'm renting and I don't own it, but it's, it's, it's really beautiful, but it's, you know, so I keep a bottle of Valium in the corner in case it goes, but I did my exposure therapy.

• 6:59Jason Bateman?

  You don't need a full bottle. Why don't you just keep one in your pocket?

• 7:01Sean Hayes?

  Well, no, no.

• 7:01Will Arnett?

  A bottle of Valium in the elevator?

• 7:03Sean Hayes?

  In the elevator, in case it shuts down and I have to wait for the repair guy and I don't go crazy. So I'm just, I need, you know.

• 7:08Jason Bateman?

  Why don't you just put, just put a gun in there, put a gun in there and then just put it deep into your fucking mouth.

• 7:13Will Arnett?

  Wait a second. First of all, your fucking therapist needs to be arrested because this is, this is, that's absurd.

• 7:21Sean Hayes?

  No, I'm telling you because if, if something goes wrong and you're stuck in there for an hour while the guy gets there, I don't want to go crazy. I just want to like chill out.

• 7:29Jason Bateman?

  Well, that ship has passed.

• 7:30Will Arnett?

  Well, why don't you look within, man?

• 7:33Sean Hayes?

  I did. So I did exposure therapy and it, and it's kind of working.

• 7:36Will Arnett?

  What, you just get on the tube and just flash your jacket open?

• 7:44Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, it's really working.

• 7:46Jason Bateman?

  What does that mean, exposure therapy?

• 7:48Sean Hayes?

  So, so it's really fascinating. You like, you know, you sit there with your palms up and your eyes closed. You have to repeat over and over a million times. You have to go, I'm walking down the hall. I see a small elevator and I step inside. I'm walking down the hall. I see a small elevator, step inside and you say that over and over and over again and like, you know, for like 20 minutes and your therapist will check in every two minutes and say, where's your anxiety, anxiety level? And it goes from 10 to eight to seven, you know, to three to two to one, until you become bored with it. Then you move on to, I'm walking down the hall. I step into an elevator and then the doors close. I'm walking down the hall. I step in the elevator and the doors close. And you try to feel what that feels like over and over again, and it fucking works.

• 8:25Jason Bateman?

  And what are they charging you an hour for this?

• 8:29Sean Hayes?

  I don't remember.

• 8:29Jason Bateman?

  Cause I used to do this in elementary school when I would screw up, they'd make me write stuff on a chalkboard over and over and over again.

• 8:36Will Arnett?

  Like Homer Simpson.

• 8:37Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, it's called sentences or whatever.

• 8:39Will Arnett?

  Hey, you know what, you know what else works, Sean, is nutting up.

• 8:45Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, it's just called developing the backbone and the thicker skin and just getting older, you know?

• 8:50Will Arnett?

  You've been through a lot in your life and you are tough. I mean it, like you know how to deal with a lot of stuff and you got your head on your shoulders.

• 8:57Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, but it's claustrophobia. I mean, if you got stuck in that elevator that I got stuck in, you would, you would have gone fucking bananas.

• 9:03Jason Bateman?

  Will, what's your plan today? Will, what's your plan out there in the Hamptons?

• 9:07Will Arnett?

  My plan is pretty, it's, it's a little overcast and rainy. I was already, I was up super early, uh, going over stuff with, with our friend, uh, BC and, uh...

• 9:17Jason Bateman?

  Going over stuff?

• 9:18Will Arnett?

  Yeah.

• 9:19Jason Bateman?

  Oh, the, the, the edit. He's working on the edit, right? How's stuff looking?

• 9:24Will Arnett?

  It's looking pretty good. So we're doing that this morning early. I was up like five cause he's in Europe and then, uh...

• 9:29Sean Hayes?

  Aren't you close to getting a cut that you like?

• 9:31Will Arnett?

  Yeah, yeah. I mean, you know, it's a work in progress. He's, you know, working away.

• 9:36Jason Bateman?

  Has he shown you his director's cut yet?

• 9:38Will Arnett?

  There is, no, there's no director's cut yet. No, no.

• 9:41Jason Bateman?

  Okay.

• 9:42Will Arnett?

  But, um, and then, uh, you know, did my usual thing.

• 9:44Jason Bateman?

  Are you happy with your performance that you've seen?

• 9:47Sean Hayes?

  I am.

• 9:48Will Arnett?

  Yeah, I mean, I don't know. It's hard to be...

• 9:49Sean Hayes?

  No, I'm happy with watching his performance. It's pretty great.

• 9:53Jason Bateman?

  No, but I mean, it's, it's something like you're starting to see yourself and in its context with the one scene stuck next to another scene, next to another scene. Like it's, that's like, it's a scary thing. Like, uh, how's it's starting to feel? Good?

• 10:04Will Arnett?

  I, I, I think, I think that we have a movie. Uh, I'll say that. Like, and, and you've been doing it a lot, a lot longer than I have, JB. You know how it is. And so you never know until you know.

• 10:15Jason Bateman?

  Right.

• 10:15Will Arnett?

  And so I'm just kind of leaving it out there in soft.

• 10:17Jason Bateman?

  Are you allowing it to become something different than what you had imagined it was going to be?

• 10:21Will Arnett?

  Yeah.

• 10:22Jason Bateman?

  Because inevitably it is.

• 10:23Will Arnett?

  It always, as you know, it always changes. I'm excited for you to see it, uh, for both of you to see it. Sean's in it as well and Sean, Sean's great.

• 10:30Jason Bateman?

  So he's still in it? You're saying he's still in it?

• 10:32Will Arnett?

  Still in it. Yeah, as of this morning. And I, but I'm excited for you guys to, to get your, you know, just hear your thoughts on it and stuff too. So, so that'll, that'll, that'll be forthcoming, but we'll see.

• 10:45Speaker 03

  What else are you excited about? Our guest today.

• 10:49Will Arnett?

  Well, I'm excited about our guest today. I know, I know. Well, I was about to. I was just answering the question. Sean, are you in a rush?

• 10:55Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, he's got a, he's got a dinner.

• 10:57Will Arnett?

  Are you, I'm sorry, are your knickers in a twist over there?

• 11:02Jason Bateman?

  Are you keeping the palace waiting?

• 11:04Will Arnett?

  By the way, we're so lucky, we're so lucky because now we do get, we get to get to our guest, which is gonna be just, he's a, he's a palate cleanser in every way. This guy is so, he's done everything. And he's one of those guys who, uh, classically trained, Juilliard trained. And then, so he's done everything from Broadway to like Indies to like, you know, cool plays to the, the biggest of biggest of biggest of hits. Uh, he's like just a bona fide movie star. Uh, I've had the pleasure of getting to know him a little bit over the last couple of years because we've worked together, uh, on a project, uh, uh, uh, together, me in a producing role, but him as the star of. He's incredible.

• 11:46Will Arnett?

  Uh, you guys know him from all his performances. The second I start to name it, Sean's gonna go, I know who it is. He's been in a gazillion Marvel movies and within the Marvel verse, he then graduated and became a, sort of a different character altogether. You know him as Captain America. I know him as Anthony Mackie.

• 12:06Speaker 03

  Oh, Anthony Mackie, good morning.

• 12:11Speaker 04

  Thank you. I have so much to say about those first 10 minutes.

• 12:14Will Arnett?

  Okay.

• 12:15Speaker 04

  I was like, I wanted to see which one of y'all was gonna talk about who had the most Teslas in their driveway.

• 12:21Will Arnett?

  That'd be, that'd be Jason. That'd be Jason. I've never owned one.

• 12:25Jason Bateman?

  I'm trying to get it away from my wife, but she will not.

• 12:28Will Arnett?

  Anthony, by the way, you should know that Jason's glass house is, is so, the glass is so fragile up. He's in his guest house overlooking his greenhouse overlooking his main house right now.

• 12:40Will Arnett?

  Anyway, Anthony Mackie, dude, thank you, thank you for being here. Welcome to Smartless. It's so great to have you.

• 12:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's so nice to meet you. Nah, thanks for having me, man. I appreciate it. It's been a long time coming. Yeah.

• 12:53Will Arnett?

  It's been a long time coming.

• 12:54Speaker 04

  Where, where do we find you? Are you at home? Uh, no, I'm in Budapest right now. And I'll tell you what. Wow. A black man in Budapest for the summer is, I mean, goddamn. It's like, I found, I found my people. I don't know, I don't know. It's like they shot me out of a rocket and landed me. Like, I did something right in my life. You know what I mean? They're like, you get to go to Budapest for the summer. Really? What do you mean? What do you mean? They just love you there? Well, everybody loves you everywhere. Uh, nah, it's, it's different here. Like, everybody's nice. Like, the food is good. The city's beautiful and historic. You know, there's a, a dirty river. Like, just everything you want.

• 13:34Speaker 04

  You know, every day is sunny. The, the Budapestians are fucking great people. I love them. Yeah, and there's a lot of stuff that's shooting there lately, huh? Like, um, what, what, what are you doing there? Can you say? Uh, I'm doing a show for Apple, uh, so nobody will see it, called, uh, 121212. 121212. Gotcha.

• 13:56Will Arnett?

  Apple biz, Apple's huge. People will see it. Come on.

• 13:59Speaker 04

  Formula, Formula One, like, it's this F1 thing. It's making a lot of money. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Apple's great. It's, uh, I'm excited. I, it's my first time, well, my second time on Apple, because I did the first movie on Apple, actually, The Banker. And, uh, this is my first time back. So they've been great, man. It's been wonderful. It's, you know, they gave me the opportunity to come to Budapest for the summer. And so how, is it, is it a bunch of episodes? So you're there for a while? It's eight episodes. It's me and Jamie Dornan. So they're, uh, this is our second time working together. I'm like, you know, it's, um, we're, and Kari, who directed Falcon Winter Soldier, is directing it. Oh, cool. Uh, so it's a pretty good, it's a pretty, pretty good group. Great, uh, scripts, like, great stories.

• 14:44Speaker 04

  You know, it's just, it's a good time. And it's, it's in Budapest for the summer. It sounds like it's big. It sounds like it's, there's a lot of-

• 14:50Jason Bateman?

  A lot of action and.

• 14:51Speaker 04

  You know who you're talking to?

• 14:52Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 14:53Speaker 04

  Okay, you're not the only one. I mean, it's huge, buddy. We're doing well here.

• 14:56Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, no, I mean, it's action and it's stunts and it's, it's, uh, it's a muscular project, yes?

• 15:02Speaker 04

  It's a lot of testosterone. Some might call it toxic, but I don't get it.

• 15:06Will Arnett?

  A ballsy ring.

• 15:08Jason Bateman?

  Ballsy. So how long are you there? If you're doing eight episodes, you're there for five months?

• 15:13Speaker 04

  Five months between here and London. And it is like London, uh, when I come to London, uh, in two weeks, I'm coming to your show too.

• 15:20Will Arnett?

  Yes.

• 15:22Speaker 04

  Yeah, I'll be there. I'll be there. Should I wear like my, like Liza Minnelli shit, like more Beyonce shit?

• 15:28Will Arnett?

  Yeah, for sure.

• 15:31Jason Bateman?

  Tommy Tune stuff works too.

• 15:34Will Arnett?

  We're not gonna be open in two weeks. You come back in July.

• 15:38Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's, two weeks is in July.

• 15:40Will Arnett?

  Oh, well, at the end of July, July 31st.

• 15:42Speaker 04

  Oh shit, you've been.

• 15:43Will Arnett?

  August.

• 15:44Jason Bateman?

  So you go back and forth. You guys shoot stuff in England, you shoot stuff in Hungary, back and forth.

• 15:48Speaker 04

  No, I'm shooting Avengers in England and I'm shooting this in Hungary.

• 15:53Jason Bateman?

  Okay, gotcha.

• 15:53Will Arnett?

  Wait a second. So you're going back and forth to London, you're doing Avengers. Sean, hold your questions. Sean is a massive, massive Avengers Marvel. Do you, and, and you're working with, you have the misfortune of working with Downey, uh, I'm sure, over there with Robert.

• 16:11Jason Bateman?

  So sorry.

• 16:12Will Arnett?

  What a trip.

• 16:13Speaker 04

  Hey, he, he serves up a great lunch, man. I mean, everybody's healthy, you know, it's, it's really good. We drink his, uh, his, his bottled chill brew. Uh, it's a good time. It's a good time. It's a good time.

• 16:27Jason Bateman?

  So Anthony, what, with all this time away from home, what, what's, what's the main thing you find yourself missing? Uh, I, I ask cause it's, it's, it's on my mind. I just had my daughter call me from, she's, she's on a trip to actually also to Europe on some sort of camp thing. And she's feeling really homesick. But so what do you, what, what are you missing most about home right now?

• 16:47Will Arnett?

  Yeah.

• 16:47Speaker 04

  Uh, oh, I hate to say this cause it fits in y'all's conversation earlier, but I miss my cars, man.

• 16:54Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 16:55Will Arnett?

  I miss driving when I'm away from home.

• 16:58Speaker 04

  I just wanna, I'm, I'm a very, very like homestruckin' dude, so literally I'll go, after going to the gym, I'll get a po' boy and a ice cold beer, sit in the garage and work on my cars all day.

• 17:11Jason Bateman?

  Wait, so after the gym, you find a real fatty carbohydrate ridden snack and some puffy making beer?

• 17:20Will Arnett?

  Sorry, Jason's one of those guys who doesn't eat pizza, by the way.

• 17:22Jason Bateman?

  Boy, exactly, but I came out with a big fat face. I gotta like, you spend every minute of every day.

• 17:28Speaker 04

  But that's the whole point of going to the gym, man. You go to the gym and you're like, then you go get a po' boy.

• 17:33Jason Bateman?

  Exactly. I exercise so that I can be a little bit bad. I don't exercise.

• 17:37Speaker 04

  Well, you look, you look great, man. You look like you're a...

• 17:39Jason Bateman?

  Anthony, I love you.

• 17:40Speaker 04

  You look like you have one of those Pelotons. You know what? You look like you do Pilates is what it is.

• 17:45Jason Bateman?

  How dare you. So you miss driving, you miss your cars. Uh, where's home, LA?

• 17:51Will Arnett?

  You do have like a Pilates, not your body, but your temperament and like the way that you are in the world, you seem like a Pilates person.

• 17:57Jason Bateman?

  I tell you what, I'm, I am hearing that that's what I need to, uh, make a friend of, is Pilates.

• 18:03Sean Hayes?

  Pilates, yeah, cause it's good stretching.

• 18:05Jason Bateman?

  But yeah, so it's, it's got all the stretching of yoga, but it's got some, some core strengthening, like muscle building stuff. Anyway.

• 18:12Speaker 04

  I heard it gives you outstanding sexual stamina.

• 18:15Jason Bateman?

  Wait, what?

• 18:16Will Arnett?

  Well, he doesn't need that.

• 18:17Speaker 04

  That's what I heard, dude. I heard a friend of mine started doing Pilates and...

• 18:21Jason Bateman?

  I could use a little bump in that as well. Thank you.

• 18:24Jason Bateman?

  Just maybe another 20, 30 seconds would be incredible.

• 18:29Sean Hayes?

  Wait, Anthony, speaking of relationships, I forgive you.

• 18:33Will Arnett?

  I love this segment.

• 18:35Jason Bateman?

  I'm just waiting for you to get to your first fucking question. I'm like, all my clothes are off. Go ahead.

• 18:41Will Arnett?

  Wait, I love it. I love it, JB. I'm telling you, I love it. I'm having fun. It's fun.

• 18:48Jason Bateman?

  Do you notice that, Sean? He'll, he brings on a guest, he just sits back. He like basically introduces them and then he's like, okay.

• 18:55Will Arnett?

  Not at all. We're having, we're having a conversation. We're having a conversation and you were...

• 19:01Speaker 04

  I mean, we've covered a lot of shit. This is going really well, I have.

• 19:03Will Arnett?

  Yeah, this is going very well. How dare you. Oh, sorry. Okay.

• 19:08Speaker 04

  Move on to the taint exercise.

• 19:09Will Arnett?

  Anthony, just to make Sean, just to make JB feel better, Anthony, how'd you get your start in show business?

• 19:17Jason Bateman?

  Which I really do want to know.

• 19:18Will Arnett?

  By the way JB, you will be jealous. Let's talk a little bit for a second. And Anthony, I've asked you about this in person too. You went to Juilliard, which is so rad. It's like the gold standard. I mean, that must have been... Talk a little bit about like getting into Juilliard. And was it like a dream come true? Or were you like, yeah?

• 19:36Jason Bateman?

  Did you ever cross paths with Laura Linney there? I think she's a big wig over there.

• 19:40Speaker 04

  I never saw Laura Linney. She was never there when I was there. Patty Lepone was there all the time, which was amazing. But it all started in New Orleans. I mean, I went to this school called New Orleans Center for Creative Arts, which is pretty much like Fame, but in New Orleans. And I just loved it. Like, it was amazing. It taught me everything. And I got to... New Orleans is a very segregated city. So getting to meet and see people from the other side of the city was mind blowing how different it was, you know, on the other side of the tracks. So it forced me to want to get out of New York... I mean, New Orleans. So I went to boarding school in North Carolina, at North Carolina School of the Arts.

• 20:23Speaker 04

  And I consider that to be my year of time. Like, everybody's been arrested. My year of jail time was in Winston-Salem, North Carolina.

• 20:32Jason Bateman?

  Oh, really? Why?

• 20:34Speaker 04

  Have you ever been to Winston-Salem?

• 20:37Speaker 04

  Dude, Winston-Salem in 1996 was some shit. You hear me? So I made it out. I did my bid. I got out. You know what I mean? And the man couldn't hold me down forever. So I moved up to New York and, you know, auditioned and got into Juilliard from North Carolina. And moved to New York when I was 18. And it was crazy.

• 21:01Jason Bateman?

  Wait, so Anthony, so you start... So you grow up in New Orleans? You were born and raised there?

• 21:06Speaker 04

  Yeah, born and raised, yeah. Seymour Boscoville, hardhead.

• 21:09Jason Bateman?

  So then your first real exposure to, as you say, the other side of the tracks was going to this really cool art school where you got to see some folks that are from a different socioeconomic background and they're coming to see some of the productions and stuff like that. And the seed gets planted to be an artist, an actor, yeah? And you say, okay, I'm not bad at this. You're getting some nice accolades?

• 21:35Speaker 04

  No.

• 21:36Jason Bateman?

  Such that you think you can take on more?

• 21:38Speaker 04

  Not at all. It was just, it was something I, I, I was probably the worst actor at my school, but I, it kept my interest, you know, like, you know, the idea of being in a room with different types of people and doing different types of shit. It was almost like every day was summer camp. Like I looked forward to going there every day. Cause you would go there half day and then regular school half a day. And it was just like a bunch of people in a room that I, I like identify with, people that I got along with. And, you know, it was a school that was half dancers. So we had all these smoking chicks in a dance program. So I was like, fuck. Like I just showed my, I have a 16 year old

• 22:22Speaker 04

  son. I showed him my yearbook from high school and he was like, yo, those are the girls? And I'm like, this is what girls looked like when I was in school. Fuck you. Like you got it good.

• 22:36Sean Hayes?

  And we will be right back.

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• 26:49Sean Hayes?

  And now, back to the show.

• 26:53Sean Hayes?

  Was it a common thing for, for the folks where you, where you grew up to like go into the arts? Become an actor, go to this art school?

• 27:01Speaker 04

  Not become an actor. I mean, in New Orleans, you know, every little boy grows up wanting to be a trumpet player. You know, it's, everybody wants to be a musician. Everybody wants to march in a parade.

• 27:10Will Arnett?

  But were your parents musicians or in the arts at all?

• 27:13Speaker 04

  No, hell no. Uh, my daddy worked. My daddy, my daddy was a roofer, you know? So it was six of us. He had, he had to work. So.

• 27:22Sean Hayes?

  Oh, fuck roofing in New Orleans too. That is not.

• 27:25Speaker 04

  Yeah, my mom was a homemaker and my dad was a roofer. So it, um, but they always pressed on us. Education and going to school. Uh, so it was very important to them. That, um, we did something that fulfilled our, our dreams and kept us interested.

• 27:42Sean Hayes?

  But also probably they had their eye on practicality too. It sounds like they, they were not afraid of good, good, hard work and some, some pleasant predictability about income and, uh, and providing. Were they sort of, uh, you sure you want to pursue acting or the arts is something that like, how about, how about, how about getting like a quote unquote real job? Was there pressure for you to do that as well?

• 28:08Speaker 04

  No, not at all. My parents, my dad had one rule. Do whatever you want. Be the best at it. Just don't go to jail.

• 28:14Will Arnett?

  Oh, that's cool.

• 28:15Speaker 04

  That was it. Like, you can be a damn garbage man. Just be the best garbage man and don't go to jail. That's it. Like, growing up in New Orleans in the eighties and nineties, it was such a rough city. It was, I mean, it was the murder capital of the world. I mean, there were, in a city of, you know, seven hundred thousand people, you know, four to five hundred people were getting murdered a year. So, first square capitol, we were literally the murder capital of the world.

• 28:38Will Arnett?

  Wow, I didn't know that.

• 28:39Speaker 04

  So, yeah, it was, it was wildly dangerous in the, in the early nineties.

• 28:44Jason Bateman?

  Did you have, do you have brothers and sisters? Or were you an alone child?

• 28:46Speaker 04

  Five of them, yeah.

• 28:47Will Arnett?

  Wow.

• 28:48Speaker 04

  And, uh, we, we, you know, we're all vastly different and very different.

• 28:52Will Arnett?

  Anybody else go into the arts?

• 28:54Speaker 04

  No, no, no, no, no, no. My brother, you know, was a, a, a singer, but he also played tennis. So, all that shit's weird. You know what I mean?

• 29:03Will Arnett?

  So, so, so, I mean, that's amazing. So, you go and then you go to, you go to North Carolina, then you go up, you get into Juilliard, you go to Juilliard, and I was wondering this. So, you graduate Juilliard, you've got a degree from arguably like the premier place to get an acting degree, certainly in the States. And, and is it like, okay, you know, the day after you, you, uh, graduate, is it like everybody's knocking at your door? Or is it just hit the streets and start auditioning like everybody else?

• 29:31Speaker 04

  Uh, well, you do this thing, uh, called League Scenes, and you invite all the agents and all the agencies to come see the, uh, graduating class do their monologues and scenes. A showcase, yeah. And everybody comes and from that, hopefully you'll get an agent or a manager. Uh, and I got lucky. Um, I did these, you know, three scenes and they were fine. You know, it was cool. Um, but what really helped me was when I was in school, um, we wrote this play about Tupac called Up Against the Wind. And um, you know, I, we all did it, like, you know, there was a girl, Rosemary in a directing program, Michael in a writing program, and all of us actors.

• 30:13Speaker 04

  We all wrote and produced the scene oursel- I mean, the, the show ourselves at school. So when we did the sh- the show, Jim Nicola from New York Theatre Workshop came to see the show and was like, I want to move this off Broadway. So it was a big problem at Juilliard because you're not allowed to do outside work while you're a student.

• 30:32Will Arnett?

  Okay.

• 30:33Speaker 04

  And it came down-

• 30:34Will Arnett?

  But it was a gray area because you guys had started it at the school.

• 30:37Speaker 04

  We started it at the school.

• 30:38Will Arnett?

  Right.

• 30:39Speaker 04

  And, you know, it becau- it, it was, it was very eye-opening because there was a fight between me and the staff if I would do this play off Broadway, which was created at the school, or if I would do the checkoff play for my final grade of the year.

• 30:55Will Arnett?

  Mm-hmm.

• 30:55Speaker 05

  Right.

• 30:56Speaker 04

  So we were going back and forth about that, and they were very adamant about not letting me do this play. And then the play caught fire and took off, and all of a sudden, everybody was a supporter. Like, there was a, a teacher who was interviewed by the New York Times, and, true story, this is still in print, she said, you know, usually the black kids just sit around and wait to see who's gonna play Othello, but it's great that they created something that they can go and do in, uh, in the New York theater.

• 31:26Will Arnett?

  Whoa, what?

• 31:29Speaker 04

  What does that even mean? Like, what? It means she was a fucking idiot. I know, like, what? That's like, crazy. Yeah. What? It means she was a fucking idiot.

• 31:39Will Arnett?

  That's crazy.

• 31:40Speaker 04

  That's what it means.

• 31:41Will Arnett?

  That must have lit a fire under your, like, a little bit to be like, like, fuck, I'm gonna, yeah, like-

• 31:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, and that was my biggest thing, like, coming out of that school. It was, it was really eye-opening for many different reasons, because I went to go see a play, like, every two weeks, and I saw so much bad theater, but I saw so much good theater.

• 32:00Will Arnett?

  Yeah.

• 32:01Speaker 04

  You know, and so much small theater, and innovative and courageous theater. And, uh, it really just formed and shaped me. What I saw really formed and shaped me more than what I learned at school.

• 32:12Jason Bateman?

  And now, what you find yourself, sorry Sean, you find yourself at a place of great success, with tons of momentum and futures wide open. Did you allow yourself to see yourself at this place at this age? Or are you kind of like, you know, it's a tough question to answer, but are you where you thought you would be? Are you overperforming, underperforming? You've got to be happy, you've got to be content.

• 32:42Speaker 04

  You know, this is a weird business. And you know, psychologically, it's a huge mindfuck to be a part of this business. Because I never thought I would be here. Like, I never, when I got into this business, I didn't say, oh, I want to be famous, or I want to be a movie star. I literally dreamed about being a working actor. I wanted to, you know, work at the Guthrie. I wanted to work at Penumbra.

• 33:06Jason Bateman?

  That's why you've had longevity.

• 33:08Speaker 04

  And that was the focus of my career. Like, how can I do these great roles? You know, these great American theater roles in great theaters around the country, you know? And it just, it just so happened, you know, because it sounds like such an asshole story. So, when we were doing Up Against the Wind, there was this amazing casting director named Molly Finn, God rest her soul. And she was in New York, she came to see the play. And Curtis Hansen was putting together Eight Mile.

• 33:43Jason Bateman?

  Right, that's right.

• 33:44Speaker 04

  So she came to see the play. I get to audition for Curtis Hansen. And I was always a huge fan of Curtis, from L.A. Confidential, from all the shit he had did. And my audition, like, it was just funny. I always had a belief, if you get people to direct in you and working with you, that's because they're interested in you. If you audition and they go, "Good job, kid, thanks for coming in", then nine times out of 10, you ain't getting that job. So, I walk in, and I meet Curtis, sit down. Curtis was a cool cat, like, love him to death. And I asked him, I said, "So", that was right when, like, a year after Wonder Boys had came out. And I said, "Curtis, I have a question for you before we start." He's like, "Yeah, sure, go ahead."

• 34:29Speaker 04

  So I was like, "Wonder Boys", I'm like- Was that meant to be an ode to Alfred Hitchcock? Or were you like directing it in a sense towards the ideals and teachings of Hitchcock and the way he worked? So he goes, whoa, what are you talking about? What do you mean? So I explained to him what I saw in the movie and you know, what he did with Tobey Maguire and the, the backdrops in the scene and the escal- escalating visual aspect that tied into the mental frustration of the character. And we talked for like an hour about Wonder Boys. I never read, uh, never did my audition. So I come out and I'm like, fuck.

• 35:10Will Arnett?

  Oops.

• 35:11Speaker 04

  I blew my time. You know, so I'm like, don't do that again. Don't do that again. So three weeks later, uh, he called and he was like, yo, uh, cast somebody else in a role that you came in for, but there's another role. Uh, it's only four days. If you, uh, if it, I don't want to offend you. I know you're a trained actor, but if you're willing to do it, you know, I'd love to have you in Detroit. So I'm like, hell yes, Curtis Hansen. So fly to Detroit, uh, and just sit with Curtis Hansen and eat dinner and like kick it for like two weeks. And the role only was four scenes.

• 35:48Will Arnett?

  Yeah.

• 35:48Speaker 04

  Right? And he was like, uh, you have anything booked after this? I said, no. He was like, well, so if I extend your role, you can stay. I'm like, fuck yeah, I can stay. Ain't going nowhere. So they extended my contract to a run of picture. And, uh, we developed that role over the course of.

• 36:07Sean Hayes?

  That's really cool.

• 36:09Speaker 04

  And that's kind of how.

• 36:11Sean Hayes?

  That's amazing.

• 36:12Speaker 04

  It started.

• 36:12Sean Hayes?

  That's amazing.

• 36:13Will Arnett?

  That's so cool. You guys kind of built it off a personal, like just like a dialogue that you were having with him. About like a shared interest, like that's, that's so.

• 36:22Speaker 04

  That's what's so funny in the movie, like eight, uh, Eminem has that. You know, rap at the end of the movie where he's like, you went to private school and all that shit? If you go back, like, he's, we had a conversation a week before and we're talking shit and you know, Eminem is just an amazing dude and a lovely human being. Uh, once you spend time with him, uh, it's just funny, but he's always learning and hearing and listening, like, he's like a fucking sponge. So, we get to set, uh, the next day and he's like, yo, there's no reason why I don't like this dude. Like, yeah, we beefing, but nobody knows about our backstory and our history, so we need to put that in a script. So Curtis was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, you right, you right. So, it comes to battle scene, right?

• 37:07Speaker 04

  And I write my rhyme, I'm like, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, right? We go to set and fucking Eminem starts his rap. And he's like, you went to private school? I was like, I did go to private school. He's like, your parents have a real good marriage. I'm like, my parents do have a real good marriage. You motherfucker, you talking about me?

• 37:29Will Arnett?

  That's cool, that's cool. Wow. Now, wait a second, wait, so was, was Eight Mile your first movie?

• 37:36Speaker 04

  That was my very first movie, yeah.

• 37:38Will Arnett?

  Wow. Yeah, that's pretty cool. That's so cool.

• 37:40Speaker 04

  Two thousand one, man, that was my first movie. Nice start. That was my first job.

• 37:44Will Arnett?

  Isn't that crazy? I mean, it was a first massive movie. I know.

• 37:48Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 37:49Will Arnett?

  Yeah.

• 37:49Speaker 04

  Yeah, I did, I did Up Against the Wind off Broadway and then went into, uh, uh, Eight Mile. Have you been back to theater yet? Uh, yeah, I did, well, the last time I did theater was two thousand sixteen with, uh, Chris Walken and, uh, uh, one of the most amazing human beings on earth, Sam Rockwell and, uh, Zoe Pizan.

• 38:10Will Arnett?

  We love Sam.

• 38:11Speaker 04

  Called, um, uh, Behanding in Spokane.

• 38:14Will Arnett?

  Oh, yeah.

• 38:15Speaker 04

  And I'll tell you what, if you haven't worked with Chris Walken, just save up some money, produce a play and fucking do a play with Chris Walken. That motherfucker is amazing. Like, that was, that was the pinnacle of being able to do theater, to see him on stage every night.

• 38:32Sean Hayes?

  I bet, I bet. That's really cool. What a cool experience. You know, a lot of people say, you know, well, acting is the study of human behavior and this human psychology and stuff like that. And you've done so many, so many different roles and so many, played so many different people. Do you find yourself outside of work, kind of getting people's heads or analyzing people's behavior or analyzing the human behavior outside of a role? Like, I find myself doing that probably to a fault sometimes because I'm like, oh, that person acts like that because of A, B, you know what I mean? Do you do that?

• 39:03Speaker 04

  Well, no, that, that's a very interesting perspective and great question because I do that all the time. But in this generation, like, people are so, like, thwarted with their own insecurities that you can't really ask questions about why they do something or how they think because they instantly go on the defensive because they haven't even thought about why they do the things they do and why they, why they think the way they do.

• 39:32Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, they don't think that deep.

• 39:34Speaker 04

  Yeah. And my thing is, as an actor, it is, it's really interesting to me to try and understand people and the knowledge and the aspect of what happened on the course of your day to make you act or react it the way you did just now.

• 39:47Sean Hayes?

  Right. I love that, yeah.

• 39:49Speaker 04

  You just ask questions, like, why, why, why, why do you think that way? Or, what made you think that? And it's like, oh, you're just being an asshole. And, you know.

• 39:58Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, because, because I'll, I'll drive, I'll drive Scotty, my husband, crazy. I'll constantly ask him every day, how are you? What are you doing? What are you thinking about? What's going on? You all right? Like, I'm trying to get in there because he's like, yeah, get out of my face. I'm fine. I'm fine. You know?

• 40:15Jason Bateman?

  Is that right? You're a digger? And he's just like, "Just let me be quiet."

• 40:20Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, like, there's nothing wrong.

• 40:23Will Arnett?

  Is he really grouchy? Does he seem really grouchy?

• 40:26Sean Hayes?

  No, no, I just want to know. But he goes, "If you keep asking me, that's when I'm gonna get upset."

• 40:31Speaker 04

  Exactly.

• 40:32Sean Hayes?

  You know what I mean? Like, go over and over.

• 40:34Jason Bateman?

  He sounds like a great match for me. You ever get tired of Scotty? You send him over to me. We'll be quiet in the car together.

• 40:40Speaker 04

  We'll be so quiet. Just sit over there and shut the fuck up.

• 40:42Sean Hayes?

  But I didn't know, Anthony, if you're like that, Anthony, where anything like me, where like, if it's a new relationship, whether it's a friend or a coworker, or a romantic relationship, whatever it is, I just sometimes overanalyze people to death. And they're just like, "Okay, stop talking."

• 40:57Speaker 04

  Yeah, I try to, and I just ask questions and give them space to breathe, and just see what comes out of that. You know? But for some reason, people take that as you being an asshole, and they get upset with you, because you try and understand them, and they've never tried to understand themselves.

• 41:14Sean Hayes?

  Right.

• 41:15Speaker 04

  You know? And the more I understand you, the easier and better this relationship will work out. Like, I was having a conversation the other day, and my boy was like, you know, "You need to come to LA and go to the parties and meet these directors so people can see you." And I'm like, "Yo, after 25 years, if I gotta go to a party at, like, so-and-so's house for you to want to work with me, then fuck you, dude." You know what I mean? It's like, we've been in this game long enough to where, like, you know the people that, like, are doing it in the way they're doing it?

• 41:50Sean Hayes?

  What's this game now? What is this new game?

• 41:52Speaker 04

  Now, all of a sudden, I gotta come to parties and do blow off of Jason's dick for a girl and, like, do a movie.

• 41:57Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, leave that up to me!

• 41:58Jason Bateman?

  But it was a nice short line, though, wasn't it?

• 42:01Will Arnett?

  Jason, stop putting blow on your dick.

• 42:03Jason Bateman?

  Well, it's mostly just bumps. I can't really fit a line on there. It's just little upgrades.

• 42:10Will Arnett?

  By the way, you'll hear a funny... I texted this to JB twice this weekend. The same day, two people came up to me and go like, "Hey, I know your buddy, Jason. I used to party with him back in the day. I used to live in Venice." And this other guy, "I worked with them on a thing." And I texted JB, and JB goes, "Yeah, I put a lot of people into rehab."

• 42:26Jason Bateman?

  Bye!

• 42:29Will Arnett?

  They spent a week with Jason in 1995 and they were screwed.

• 42:34Speaker 04

  They were done.

• 42:36Will Arnett?

  Wait, so you do, Sean brought up, I mean, you've done, I mean, you've just done countless movies and you've done so many different kinds of characters. I know, so many. And you're off Broadway, Broadway, obviously, we mentioned Juilliard and you did all this stuff. And then, and you were in Hurt Locker, like you've been in all these like, you know, celebrated films. And then you get asked to become part of the MCU. And what was, what was that process?

• 43:01Jason Bateman?

  That's the Marvel Cinematic Universe, Tracy.

• 43:03Will Arnett?

  She knows that. That's one we don't need to explain.

• 43:06Jason Bateman?

  I don't know, is Tracy a big Marvel fan? She doesn't strike me.

• 43:08Will Arnett?

  Sean's sister, sorry.

• 43:10Sean Hayes?

  She really likes rom-coms.

• 43:12Jason Bateman?

  Right, yeah, okay. So Marvel Cinematic Universe. Here we go.

• 43:18Will Arnett?

  What was that call? Like, what was that conversation? And were you like, were you like, yes? Or were you like, ah?

• 43:24Sean Hayes?

  Was the first one, to Will's question, was the first one Winter Soldier? Was that the first one?

• 43:30Jason Bateman?

  That was the first.

• 43:30Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, because I saw you in the, I saw, I love that movie, by the way. I love that movie. And I love all of them, but I mean, like, and when I saw you, I was like, what the, this guy's incredible. Like, what an unbelievable addition. What the fucking, I mean, it's.

• 43:46Jason Bateman?

  What were your favorite parts? You know, the wings?

• 43:48Will Arnett?

  So, so wait, so how did that, how did that roll out? How did that roll out?

• 43:52Sean Hayes?

  No, yeah, but yeah, how did it feel to get the call? And like, what? And oh my God? And what was it like?

• 43:56Speaker 04

  Uh, you know, it came together like a, you know, it was like a.

• 44:02Sean Hayes?

  Well, because it was a what? Oh my God, and what? Tell us more. Yeah, because I can't imagine.

• 44:08Jason Bateman?

  No, I know. Tell us some more.

• 44:09Sean Hayes?

  No, I just can't imagine getting a call like that.

• 44:11Will Arnett?

  Sean, Sean, if Sean, if Scotty knew Sean was about to get the call, he'd put a diaper on him first.

• 44:20Jason Bateman?

  Like a little baby chimp about to get his first taste of ice cream. Fucking wow!

• 44:30Sean Hayes?

  Running around this townhouse with no elevator. Just doing zoomies, zoomies on the floor.

• 44:35Will Arnett?

  Tucking the elevator with a belly full of sand.

• 44:37Speaker 04

  Tucking the elevator.

• 44:42Sean Hayes?

  And a diaper full of ice cream.

• 44:44Will Arnett?

  No, but that must have been a cool, that must have been a pretty cool day. Like, hey, you want to come and join the fucking biggest thing in the cinematic world?

• 44:51Sean Hayes?

  Really funny.

• 44:51Speaker 04

  No, it was. It was a, it was a really cool call to get. You know, but the problem was.

• 44:57Jason Bateman?

  But it wasn't check off at the Lincoln, at Lincoln Center. So it was like, you had, you had to think, okay, can I, can, can I, can I, can I bear this and still pursue that, right? Like, there's a, there's a strategic career growth sort of conversation you have to have with yourself and your team, perhaps, at times when you get opportunity, right?

• 45:16Sean Hayes?

  But that script was phenomenal, I'm sure. Like, it's not like, you know what I mean?

• 45:21Speaker 04

  Well, but that's the problem with Marvel. You don't know, you don't get to read the script. You don't get to know anything. Like, I had a meeting with the Russo brothers and, um...

• 45:31Speaker 03

  These guys, they're wonderful! Two brothers from Cleveland! But with their great Italian heritage, these two guys!

• 45:43Sean Hayes?

  This is where our pores really getting...

• 45:45Speaker 03

  We love our estate development!

• 45:48Sean Hayes?

  Anyway.

• 45:51Sean Hayes?

  We'll be right back.

• 45:55Sean Hayes?

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• 47:51Sean Hayes?

  And back to the show.

• 47:54Will Arnett?

  So the Russo's call, we know Joe and Anthony real well, Javi and I do. And so they call you and they're like, just say yes or no, sight unseen. Yeah.

• 48:03Speaker 04

  Pretty much, we meet, it was such, it was like the most LA shit I've ever experienced. We go to this hotel and it's like all like art stucco and a swimming pool in the middle. And it's like all these ladies, these old ladies with like their lobster titties laying out by the pool. You know, we ordered lunch and they're just like fucking cooking. And Nate Moore and I were like the only two black dudes in the whole hotel. Like it was some LA Beverly Hills shit. Everybody has their shades on.

• 48:33Will Arnett?

  Sure.

• 48:33Speaker 04

  So, you know, Joe Russo, he's the talker, you know? So Joe goes, look, Anthony, we have a script, we have an idea, you know, we have a character and we'd like you to play it. Is that something you're interested in? And I was like, yeah, like, can I read it? He went, no. Can I know the character? No. So I didn't know who I was playing.

• 48:57Will Arnett?

  No way.

• 48:58Sean Hayes?

  So what made you want, yeah, what made you want to say, yeah?

• 49:01Jason Bateman?

  Joe's magnetism.

• 49:03Speaker 04

  Because I knew being in the MCU would like do for my career, the same thing, you know, being nominated for an Oscar.

• 49:13Will Arnett?

  Yeah, right.

• 49:13Speaker 04

  You know, because at the end of the day, if you go up to, and I always do this with my friends. At the end of the day, if you go up to the average person and ask them who won best actor last year.

• 49:22Will Arnett?

  No, no, they don't know. Nobody knows.

• 49:25Jason Bateman?

  Right. Not even the average person. Ask any of us who won best actor last year.

• 49:29Speaker 04

  Who won best actor? I have no idea.

• 49:32Will Arnett?

  Adrian Brody.

• 49:33Speaker 04

  Go up to the average person and ask them who, average person our age, ask them who, you know, who was, who played Rocky or, you know, who did this? So they'll always have those iconic characters and moments in their mind as opposed to an award push for you to get a statue.

• 49:52Jason Bateman?

  Sure, right, right.

• 49:54Will Arnett?

  Right, so, right, so in, so in that respect, it's a no, it's a no brainer. It's like, like I said, it's like, hey, we're, we're, we're running the biggest deal in the game right now. Do you want to jump on this train? We're, we're going this way. And you're like, I kind of want to go that way.

• 50:09Speaker 04

  Hell, yeah.

• 50:10Jason Bateman?

  But then you let your eyes, then you let your eyes drift over to Anthony Russo and you're like, well, hang on a second. This guy has not stopped staring at me, hasn't said a fucking word.

• 50:20Speaker 04

  Not a word. He just stares at you the whole time.

• 50:23Jason Bateman?

  And I want to know what the deal is.

• 50:25Will Arnett?

  Anthony's going to be a stone cold psycho with you while Joe's talking, eating a sandwich.

• 50:32Jason Bateman?

  He's trying to distract you with the shiny penny over here. Don't look at my brother.

• 50:37Will Arnett?

  I always find it fun when Joe takes the time out from playing like fantasy football to actually have a conversation with you. That part's fun.

• 50:43Speaker 04

  Stop looking at his phone to actually look at you and talk to you for one second. I'm like, you feel like the most special person. He's like the talented Mr. Ripley. He's like, so how's it going?

• 50:56Will Arnett?

  So, so what happens? So then at what stage of the of that of of of that whole thing do you get? Do you finally kind of get keyed in on who your character is? Like what his name is, what he is, where he lived? And then actually reading a script, et cetera, et cetera. Like, how far down the road is that?

• 51:14Speaker 04

  Right before I got on a plane to go to Cleveland. Because we shot that in Cleveland, mostly in Cleveland, some stuff in Atlanta. But we, I didn't have anything. I was just like Marvel, I loved the movies. I'd always wanted to be in the movies since the first Iron Man. I'm like, I'm I'm down. I didn't know what the movie was. I just thought, because I had been approaching them. I'd had my team approached them a long time before about the idea of playing Black Panther. Like, growing up, Black Panther was one of my favorite comic books. Because my oldest brother read all the comic books. So I always, that was like Luke Cage and Black Panther were my two favorite comic icons, along with Superman.

• 51:59Speaker 04

  But they were my two favorite black dudes. And we had always gone after and circled the idea of at some point in time, they have to do Black Panther. Like, you know, called them, emailed them, texted them. I write letters to Kevin Feige, fuck you, Black Panther, right?

• 52:17Speaker 04

  So I thought when they hit me up, they were like, you know, would you play this role? I'm like, of course it's Black Panther. But then, when I when I got the script, I realized it was Sam Wilson. And once I started reading the history and the background about Sam Wilson, I realized the importance of him in the MCU. Like, what Stan Lee intended for him to be and what he created him for was really amazing and really profound and really spoke to the idea of the perspective of the black American in America at that time. So it was, you know, him being a part of the airborne was was was strategic. You know, him being ex-military was strategic. Him being a hustler from Harlem was strategic.

• 53:01Speaker 04

  All of those things were put in there to socialize and emulate what black culture was at that time in America. So as black culture evolved, so did Sam Wilson in the MCU.

• 53:12Will Arnett?

  So you do that, so you get there, and you appreciate that, and you start getting into that. And then you eventually, and you make. I don't know how many movies you're like you were in uh obviously.

• 53:22Speaker 04

  Like seven.

• 53:24Will Arnett?

  Seven, yeah.

• 53:24Speaker 04

  Six, seven. Yeah. Now, this is, this will be my, my tenth and eleventh, tenth and eleventh.

• 53:32Will Arnett?

  Tenth?

• 53:32Jason Bateman?

  I mean, how about, hey, hey, Russo's, hey, how about just a, just a, a brief cameo?

• 53:39Will Arnett?

  I know.

• 53:39Jason Bateman?

  That's all we're looking for.

• 53:41Will Arnett?

  Jason and I know them, when they were, they were just, they directed the pilot of Rest of the. You want to just call us and say.

• 53:47Jason Bateman?

  Not even a text.

• 53:47Will Arnett?

  These are two of the older, we've known, we've known Joe and Anthony about as long as anybody in town.

• 53:53Jason Bateman?

  Would be great.

• 53:53Will Arnett?

  Right?

• 53:54Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 53:54Will Arnett?

  Hey, Jason, who knows those guys longer in town than us?

• 53:56Speaker 04

  Anthony is the end. Do not text Joe. That text will be lost.

• 54:00Jason Bateman?

  Great.

• 54:01Will Arnett?

  It's unbelievable.

• 54:03Jason Bateman?

  Just a couple of nice seats for a premiere would be great.

• 54:05Will Arnett?

  Yeah.

• 54:09Will Arnett?

  Even just a discount at Regal Cinemas would, you know, I take that at this point. You know what I mean? But uh, so you do, so this is your ninth and tenth or tenth and eleventh. And then when was it that you made the transit, when, when you became Captain America?

• 54:22Speaker 04

  Captain America.

• 54:23Will Arnett?

  That's a, that's a pretty, that, that sort of mantle was handed, handed over. When was that?

• 54:28Speaker 04

  That was um, at the end of uh Endgame, which was weird because that's when, you know, all the shit changed. Like that's when, you know, Disney bought Marvel and Disney Plus became a thing. And after Endgame was when everything turned into this idea of Marvel and Marvel streaming and Marvel TV and all these different entities under the Disney umbrella. So because of that, um, which I was very happy about because you could put so much in a uh eight-part series as opposed to a two, hour and forty-five minute movie. Um, the uh Falcon Winter Soldier show was more so about the idea of Sam Wilson becoming

• 55:13Speaker 04

  Captain America.

• 55:14Will Arnett?

  Got it.

• 55:14Speaker 04

  And leaving all the other shit behind. So that's what I did after Endgame. Cause nobody knew, like on Endgame, I didn't know I was gonna fucking be Captain America. Nobody knew that shit. Like when I found that out, the day we were on set. I didn't know about that, but that, that Sunday, Sunday, we were at Chris's house playing, uh, watching football. And I found out at Chris's house that Monday morning, we were shooting a scene where I became Captain America cause he had got those pages Wednesday.

• 55:44Jason Bateman?

  No way. You guys don't even get a script when you, when you start a project. Wow.

• 55:49Speaker 04

  No, you get a script, but as soon as you get the script, you put it down and every day you get pages. Yeah, yeah.

• 55:55Will Arnett?

  And then they're like, hey, you better read these pages because we're about to change the tra- trajectory of your

• 56:00Jason Bateman?

  Your life.

• 56:00Will Arnett?

  Character, your life, your career, like, right, like just.

• 56:05Jason Bateman?

  Wait, so like, is there, is there like a group of like super dorks that are sitting around a table and figuring out how all of these different characters intertwine and like, is there like a year?

• 56:17Will Arnett?

  That's what you want to know. Look in the mirror, Sean.

• 56:20Jason Bateman?

  A one-year plan, five-year plan, 10-year plan for how all these characters slowly get closer to one another and cross-pollinate and like, where's the, where's the think tank on all this stuff I want?

• 56:31Speaker 04

  Well, that's the

• 56:31Jason Bateman?

  And when does Mickey Mouse come into all of this stuff?

• 56:38Speaker 04

  The, you know, the idea is the, the scope of it all. The, the original plan was the, the first, you know, the first cycle, the first 10 movies to have that arc all the way to Endgame. And then, you know, all the other phases, uh, after that, they just build it out phase by phase. So you have the beginning, the middle and the end of the phase and how that, how that.

• 57:00Jason Bateman?

  I wouldn't even know where to start. I gotta make, do you, would I start, start at Iron Man? And like that, that would, if I just started there, I would, I'd, I'd start to get, you could do the Iron Man one, two and three, and then where do you move to?

• 57:14Speaker 04

  Well, see, this is the problem. All right?

• 57:18Speaker 04

  I don't think you need to watch all the movies. Like, I, I don't think some of the movies, like the Thor movies, don't really like translate into the universe.

• 57:26Jason Bateman?

  But there's probably some useful information there that affects other stuff, right?

• 57:29Speaker 04

  Not really, because that's Thor's own thing. Like, that shit is so far out, like, it's so different because he's a god. Like, that shit, when you see Thor come into the MCU, you never see anybody go to his universe. Right, right. So Spider-Man wasn't around because Spider-Man was owned by Sony. And Spider-Man came into the world on Civil War. So you don't need to watch any 17 incarnations of Spider-Man. So the, the, the movies you really need to watch are the Iron Man movies and the Captain America movies. Those are the ones that give you the

• 58:04Will Arnett?

  The through line.

• 58:05Speaker 04

  The through line.

• 58:05Will Arnett?

  And that'll get me to Avengers?

• 58:07Speaker 04

  So Captain America, the first Avenger, and all the Iron Man and Captain America movies will get you to Endgame.

• 58:13Will Arnett?

  Jamie, I think we need to do, you and I need to do an MCU, uh, film fest in your new theater. Please, when, when are you home?

• 58:22Speaker 04

  I'm sure one of y'all got a movie theater in y'all house.

• 58:25Will Arnett?

  No, Jason does.

• 58:26Speaker 04

  I'm sure all three of you have movie theaters in.

• 58:28Sean Hayes?

  I do not, I do not.

• 58:30Will Arnett?

  Jason does, it's not in his house, it's its own building. Now, listen. So, so it has, it literally has a different address. Hey, next question. But, but, but, uh, uh, so, so you do all that stuff, you do, and, and now you're, and then you're, I don't know how you find the time to do all this other stuff, not to mention the fact that we've got Twisted Metal, season two, which is, uh, premieres end of July. July. This is the thing you're producing, Willie?

• 59:00Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 59:01Will Arnett?

  Yeah, on, on Peacock, that's end of July, season two comes out on that, which is a huge hit for Peacock. You're, so that's coming out, you're promoting that, uh, second season's super fun, Anthony's so good, if you haven't seen it, Anthony is so good in it, and so funny.

• 59:13Speaker 04

  It's a good time, it's a, it's a good time, it's, it's fun.

• 59:16Will Arnett?

  You're a, you're a band member in a hard metal band? No, no, but not a band.

• 59:23Speaker 04

  No, dad.

• 59:24Will Arnett?

  We're just, we're just, we're like on the road with you, it's like stuff in the bus. No, dad.

• 59:30Speaker 04

  Fucking, he's too busy listening to yacht rock to watch our fucking show.

• 59:35Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, totally.

• 59:37Will Arnett?

  No, it's a, it's a post-apocalyptic world.

• 59:40Speaker 04

  Basically based on a video game, man. The video, video game Twisted Metal, which was big in the eighties and nineties, uh, nineties and early two thousands. It, um, it's a, uh, we got the, the property and built out this world behind the lead character, John Doe, and you know, it's the post-apocalypse and the world is basically falling apart, but you see John Doe and the rest of the characters trying to maneuver through it and figure out how to get inside what is now the real world, which are these walled-in cities all over the world, where society and reality still exist instead of the war zone that's outside the walls.

• 1:00:13Sean Hayes?

  But Anthony, you, you know, the, it's, there's, you, there's so many projects that you're, I mean.

• 1:00:19Will Arnett?

  I know, I know.

• 1:00:20Sean Hayes?

  It's mind-blowing.

• 1:00:21Will Arnett?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:22Sean Hayes?

  Like, do you?

• 1:00:23Will Arnett?

  By the way, it would be like

• 1:00:24Jason Bateman?

  When do you go to the market?

• 1:00:25Will Arnett?

  Anthony, do you remember like we would have, we would have meetings when we were first, when we were first working on Twisted Metal, we had a couple like development meetings or something and like, I'd be like, Anthony, where are you? And he's like, I'm in Saudi Arabia. I'm on a boat. He literally is like, I'm on a boat in Saudi Arabia. And I'm like, what are you talking about?

• 1:00:46Jason Bateman?

  Alright, so then this, this, this is like, this prompts the obvious question. Let's talk about domestic life. Do we have, do we have a family that, that we're trying to navigate through all this? Or are you just a rockin' single and you just can take your show on the road?

• 1:01:04Speaker 04

  No, the one thing I realize is being like, I'm a firm believer that I think, like, I love to work.

• 1:01:11Jason Bateman?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:12Will Arnett?

  Clearly.

• 1:01:13Speaker 04

  I feel like me working is, is my happiness.

• 1:01:16Jason Bateman?

  I'm with you.

• 1:01:17Speaker 04

  You know, I love to stay busy. It's like, that's just my joy. And, you know, sadly to say that most of the times when you're gone for four and five months at a time, relationships don't really fit into that. And all of my free time and all of my empty brain space goes to my kids, you know? It's like I have, I have four sons and, you know, four little boys, dude. Like, they are so interesting and different and manipulative and just little assholes at the same time. So it's like, it's like, you know, you have to, like, every free moment I have is a moment to fall in love with my boys.

• 1:01:54Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:01:56Speaker 04

  So I don't really have space.

• 1:01:57Jason Bateman?

  Are they able to come with you on some of these things?

• 1:01:59Speaker 04

  Well, the, the, they do.

• 1:02:02Jason Bateman?

  Every once in a while.

• 1:02:02Speaker 04

  They'll come out and visit, but the problem is I have to remember that they have their own lives.

• 1:02:07Jason Bateman?

  Exactly.

• 1:02:08Speaker 04

  You know, like now, I'm in Budapest and my boys have worked all school year for two and a half months of summer.

• 1:02:15Jason Bateman?

  Exactly.

• 1:02:16Will Arnett?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:16Speaker 04

  So do I say, fuck your camps, fuck your friends, fuck your fun, you come to Budapest and sit in this hotel room while I'm at work?

• 1:02:25Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, can't even see them.

• 1:02:26Speaker 04

  And I get to see you right before you go to bed.

• 1:02:29Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, I, the same exact problem.

• 1:02:30Speaker 04

  That would be, I, I would hate that, you know?

• 1:02:33Jason Bateman?

  Right, yeah.

• 1:02:33Speaker 04

  So it's a, you know?

• 1:02:35Jason Bateman?

  Well, what hotel? Which hotel?

• 1:02:38Will Arnett?

  Depends, the Budapest Hotel.

• 1:02:41Speaker 04

  Yo, my boys, they love a good room service, boy. They, their fucking chicken wings are, the chicken tenders.

• 1:02:48Jason Bateman?

  And craft service, I bet, I bet your Marvel puts up a nice craft service on set, too. Good snacks?

• 1:02:53Speaker 04

  Yo, our crafty is crazy, kid.

• 1:02:56Jason Bateman?

  I'll bet. And then you can go over to Downey's camp, too, and get a little something extra.

• 1:03:00Speaker 04

  And then it's crazier. But like, one day, I snuck over.

• 1:03:03Sean Hayes?

  Well, you'll get your fiber in Downey's camp.

• 1:03:05Jason Bateman?

  Oh, sure. If you're gluten intolerant, just step over there.

• 1:03:08Speaker 04

  So, when we were, when he had the pizza truck, I went up to his security, security's a real cool guy. And I was like, look, man. I went over to the pizza truck and all them was sitting in there talking. I'm like, I don't want to sit in there and talk to them motherfuckers. I want to make pizza. So I go over with the pizza guys and start making pizza on the truck, right? So I make this dope, delicious, I mean chef's kiss pizza, right? So I cut a piece off and I go over to Downey's security guard and I'm like, yo, man, um, here's a slice of pizza. Like, I know you've had a long day. So I just wanted to introduce myself. We haven't met. My name's Anthony. It's so great to meet you. He's like, oh, nice to meet you. So two days later, I'm like, I want to sneak in Robert's fucking base camp.

• 1:03:47Jason Bateman?

  And he's like, who the fuck are you?

• 1:03:54Jason Bateman?

  You got an ID or something?

• 1:03:56Speaker 04

  I go in my trailer. I don't have ice. I'm like, I know who has fucking ice, right? So I sneak over to Robert's base camp. I go to the security guard. I was like, yo, what's up, man? He's like, Anthony, how's it going? He's like, that was a great pizza. Thanks. I was like, you mind if I, if I go in right quick? He's like, no, go right ahead. I stole all his fucking ice. That's how it works, kid. That's how it works.

• 1:04:16Sean Hayes?

  Yeah. It's who you know. It's who you know.

• 1:04:20Speaker 04

  It's who you know. There's no little man on this pole.

• 1:04:24Will Arnett?

  Uh, well, listen, man, we've taken up too much of your time. You're over there, you're working, you're having a good time. You're probably on your weekend and, and we're eating into it.

• 1:04:31Sean Hayes?

  Really nice of you to show up.

• 1:04:32Will Arnett?

  Dude, Anthony, it's always awesome to talk to you. You're, again, like, you're the busiest dude I know. And you're such a super talented dude.

• 1:04:39Sean Hayes?

  So impressive.

• 1:04:39Will Arnett?

  And if you haven't seen, if you haven't seen Twist the Metal, please see Twist the Metal, uh, season two on July 31st on Peacock. Uh, like I said, Anthony's amazing in it. And then your new show coming out. Next year on Apple, which, which, uh, 121212, which is gonna be amazing. And more Avengers and more all of it. And dude, Anthony.

• 1:04:58Jason Bateman?

  Keep it coming. We love it.

• 1:05:00Will Arnett?

  Yeah, keep it coming. Continued success, dude. You're, you're a great dude.

• 1:05:02Speaker 04

  Thanks a lot, man. Appreciate it. Sean, I'ma come check you when I get to, when I get back to London.

• 1:05:06Sean Hayes?

  I love it. I love it. Thank you. I love it.

• 1:05:08Speaker 04

  I feel like you like Apro sprits and shit. So we can have like an Apro sprits.

• 1:05:12Sean Hayes?

  I'll have it. I'll have it. Anything with a spritz in it.

• 1:05:17Sean Hayes?

  Uh, yeah. I would love that, Anthony. It'd be great to see you too. Uh, yeah. So come on down. I would love it. Be so, I'd be so honored.

• 1:05:23Speaker 04

  Definitely. Will do.

• 1:05:25Jason Bateman?

  Great to see you.

• 1:05:26Will Arnett?

  Awesome. Thank you. Thanks, Anthony.

• 1:05:27Speaker 04

  Thanks a lot, guys.

• 1:05:28Jason Bateman?

  Thank you, pal.

• 1:05:29Will Arnett?

  See you.

• 1:05:29Jason Bateman?

  See you, buddy.

• 1:05:32Jason Bateman?

  Oh, Sean. Hey, Sean, great job. Great job. I don't know. You know, Sean's been working with a tutor, an interview tuner, tutor?

• 1:05:41Sean Hayes?

  Thank you.

• 1:05:42Jason Bateman?

  Yeah. This is, uh, it's subtle, but it's much better.

• 1:05:45Sean Hayes?

  Thank you. I mean, it's, I'm billing her three ways, so.

• 1:05:48Will Arnett?

  How could, how could he? He's the only nominated interviewer that we've got.

• 1:05:52Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, but there's always room to improve, he said to me in a text. Were you not on that? Yeah.

• 1:05:56Will Arnett?

  No. Uh, how great is Anthony, right?

• 1:05:59Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, he's great. I've, I've never, never met him. Um, never seen an interview with him and that was awesome.

• 1:06:06Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, he's really cool.

• 1:06:07Will Arnett?

  He's such a great dude. And, uh, uh, and, and he's, when you look at his credits, it's so unbelievably impressive. Not just the volume, but all the different kinds of characters he's played.

• 1:06:19Jason Bateman?

  Like, I'd love to see him on stage too. I bet he's a beast.

• 1:06:22Will Arnett?

  Incredible on stage. And, and you see that, like, you see, remember he said early on, he was like, well, you know, you don't wanna, you wanna come out, you wanna do too many different things. Because you don't want people to think you're all over the place. I'm like, dude.

• 1:06:34Sean Hayes?

  Mission accomplished. Yeah.

• 1:06:35Will Arnett?

  I mean, he did every, he's covered every corner.

• 1:06:37Sean Hayes?

  Yeah. I know. And he's got like 17 things coming out soon. It's like.

• 1:06:41Will Arnett?

  There was, there was one year, there was one year, I think, where he had like eight movies in theaters at the same time.

• 1:06:47Jason Bateman?

  Are you kidding me?

• 1:06:48Will Arnett?

  No.

• 1:06:48Sean Hayes?

  Crazy.

• 1:06:49Will Arnett?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:49Jason Bateman?

  Oh my God. The promotional work on that must have been a nightmare.

• 1:06:53Sean Hayes?

  That's the first thing you think.

• 1:06:54Jason Bateman?

  All the stories you've gotta come up with.

• 1:06:57Sean Hayes?

  Oh, God.

• 1:06:58Jason Bateman?

  How about this anecdote?

• 1:07:00Will Arnett?

  You immediately think about the junket.

• 1:07:01Jason Bateman?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:02Sean Hayes?

  Yeah. That's the first thing you think of.

• 1:07:06Sean Hayes?

  You have to think of like so, like so many different ways on that junket to say.

• 1:07:10Jason Bateman?

  Like what?

• 1:07:11Sean Hayes?

  Good.

• 1:07:13Will Arnett?

  Oh.

• 1:07:14Jason Bateman?

  Nah, no.

• 1:07:15Will Arnett?

  I mean.

• 1:07:16Jason Bateman?

  Worked on it a little bit more, come back to us, Will.

• 1:07:18Will Arnett?

  Oh, I have. That was just a straight up, oh, you got another one?

• 1:07:21Jason Bateman?

  Well, no.

• 1:07:22Will Arnett?

  You know what you ought to do next time you're trapped in the elevator? Think of some good puns.

• 1:07:26Jason Bateman?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:28Will Arnett?

  And just put a chalkboard in there, you know?

• 1:07:29Jason Bateman?

  Is there a new dad joke you've got for us today? We haven't had a dad joke today. I'd really like one.

• 1:07:34Sean Hayes?

  I did have, did I do the, um, did I do the, uh, what did the pirate say when he turned 80? Did I do that one already?

• 1:07:42Jason Bateman?

  No, uh-uh.

• 1:07:43Sean Hayes?

  What did the pirate say when he turned 80?

• 1:07:45Jason Bateman?

  Well, what?

• 1:07:46Sean Hayes?

  Hi, matey.

• 1:07:56Will Arnett?

  That really got him.

• 1:07:58Jason Bateman?

  I just, I just love them so much, but I love them coming out of Sean's face.

• 1:08:03Will Arnett?

  I know.

• 1:08:04Jason Bateman?

  You know, cause he's just like, I'm half, I'm half laughing already when I'm around him. I just, he puts a grin on my face.

• 1:08:10Will Arnett?

  What did the pirate say after they plundered the other boat?

• 1:08:13Jason Bateman?

  What?

• 1:08:14Sean Hayes?

  Bye.

• 1:08:15Jason Bateman?

  Bye, matey, matey.

• 1:08:19Jason Bateman?

  Oh, it's so fun hanging out with you guys.

• 1:08:23Jason Bateman?

  Bye, gang.

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