"David Leitch"

Fill up your airbag and lather yourself in fire-gel, it’s David Leitch. We discuss the literal and figurative pratfalls of the industry— cherry picking, Culver City for Tokyo, and of course: pickleball injuries. Preparation plus opportunity equals miracles, Sister… on an all-new SmartLess.

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:01Sean Hayes?

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• 2:11Sean Hayes?

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• 2:59Sean Hayes?

  Do you guys eat standing up at all, like lunch or breakfast? When you don't sit at a table?

• 3:03Jason Bateman?

  Like a horse sleeps?

• 3:04Sean Hayes?

  Yeah. Does a horse sleep standing up? Or is that just a cow? That's a cow.

• 3:10Will Arnett?

  No, I mean, they eat hay. What do you? Sean, you go. Sorry, because you had, it seems like you had a thought about you. Are you doing a lot of standing, standing counters?

• 3:18Sean Hayes?

  I do. I do. I eat standing up.

• 3:20Will Arnett?

  Through open windows? What are you doing?

• 3:24Sean Hayes?

  Anyway, talk about being open. I love being open with you guys. Welcome to Smartless.

• 3:28Jason Bateman?

  What just happened?

• 3:29Will Arnett?

  What happened?

• 3:48Sean Hayes?

  Willie, so wait, so when did you move into your new place?

• 3:51Will Arnett?

  I moved in yesterday. I just got here.

• 3:53Jason Bateman?

  Can you straighten out your fucking hat? You're not Justin Bieber.

• 3:57Will Arnett?

  Dude, hang on. First of all, I'm very young.

• 3:59Sean Hayes?

  I know.

• 4:00Will Arnett?

  Okay?

• 4:01Jason Bateman?

  No. Well, you don't. Tell your face.

• 4:03Will Arnett?

  Okay.

• 4:07Jason Bateman?

  Honestly, why is it cocked?

• 4:11Will Arnett?

  I just did it like that for one second.

• 4:13Jason Bateman?

  Thank you.

• 4:14Sean Hayes?

  It feels good to put it on the side like that. I do that too.

• 4:16Jason Bateman?

  Shut up, Sean.

• 4:20Will Arnett?

  I think that's a record for a shut up, Sean.

• 4:24Sean Hayes?

  Inside two minutes.

• 4:25Will Arnett?

  Inside two minutes, we're already at shut up, Sean.

• 4:28Jason Bateman?

  You guys, I miss you. Can't you tell?

• 4:29Sean Hayes?

  I know. We're gonna see each other tomorrow.

• 4:32Will Arnett?

  Tomorrow.

• 4:32Jason Bateman?

  Tomorrow. I'm gonna get all over you guys.

• 4:35Will Arnett?

  Oh, it is on.

• 4:37Sean Hayes?

  It's gummy city for me.

• 4:39Jason Bateman?

  Oh, chew it up and suck it down.

• 4:44Sean Hayes?

  And then take a gummy?

• 4:46Jason Bateman?

  Yeah. Hey, so Will, how's your new... First of all, congratulations, Will, on finishing

• 4:53Sean Hayes?

  Yes!

• 4:53Jason Bateman?

  incredibly hard period of work.

• 4:57Will Arnett?

  Thank you.

• 4:57Sean Hayes?

  So great.

• 4:59Jason Bateman?

  What we have cooking in Hollywood's oven is undoubtedly a masterpiece. I'm gonna call it right now.

• 5:06Sean Hayes?

  Yes. And I was there to witness the masterpiece. It was so good.

• 5:10Jason Bateman?

  There's a dash of Sean in it.

• 5:12Will Arnett?

  Thank you, Sean.

• 5:13Sean Hayes?

  Which is more than enough.

• 5:14Jason Bateman?

  And a sprinkle of Scotty.

• 5:15Will Arnett?

  Sean and Scotty were so great. Can I just tell you, having them around, it was so fun. And I've seen a bunch of stuff and it's really, really good.

• 5:23Jason Bateman?

  This is a film, listener, that Will wrote and just finished acting in, directed by our friend Bradley Cooper, who's also in it.

• 5:32Will Arnett?

  On it? What a film, mate!

• 5:34Sean Hayes?

  What a guy! Well, what a guy! Yeah, exactly. He was so great.

• 5:40Will Arnett?

  Yeah.

• 5:41Sean Hayes?

  And, yeah, it was super fun. And Jay, are you done with yours yet?

• 5:45Jason Bateman?

  No, I got another six weeks left.

• 5:48Sean Hayes?

  Oh, wow. Well, that's not bad.

• 5:49Jason Bateman?

  But it's, that's also fun and going well.

• 5:52Will Arnett?

  But you're having a good time and you're working your butt off, too.

• 5:55Jason Bateman?

  I am. It's very, very hard. But don't try to deflect. You've just finished just like an incredibly large amount of work and it must feel nice to be done and you're back home in a new home.

• 6:08Will Arnett?

  Yeah.

• 6:10Jason Bateman?

  Your hat's kinda cocked and it's like, it's all, everything's, everything's happening.

• 6:14Will Arnett?

  Well, I'm wearing it high. I'm thinking about, I'm like Von Dutch adjacent right now.

• 6:21Jason Bateman?

  Cause listener, he's got long hair and it's all kinda kinked and.

• 6:26Sean Hayes?

  Looking super sexy.

• 6:28Will Arnett?

  Going old school with my flaked hat, you know what I mean?

• 6:31Jason Bateman?

  You must just be crushing ass out there, huh?

• 6:33Will Arnett?

  Hey man.

• 6:34Jason Bateman?

  Walking around with that hairdo and.

• 6:36Will Arnett?

  Can't wait for that headline, you know what I mean?

• 6:38Jason Bateman?

  How about we're all in the same city though for once? I'm so excited to see you guys. I feel like we haven't recorded one of these in a few weeks too.

• 6:45Sean Hayes?

  Few, like many weeks, yeah.

• 6:47Will Arnett?

  It's been a minute and what do we got on the menu for tomorrow night? Has anybody made a request yet?

• 6:52Jason Bateman?

  For food?

• 6:53Will Arnett?

  Yeah.

• 6:54Jason Bateman?

  Hmm, can I make two guesses?

• 6:56Sean Hayes?

  Yeah.

• 6:57Will Arnett?

  Well, there are only two guesses.

• 7:00Will Arnett?

  By the way, they're great, they're great guesses.

• 7:02Sean Hayes?

  They're great, they're always great.

• 7:03Jason Bateman?

  And if she's listening, listen. They are, those two meals are two of my favorite meals.

• 7:09Will Arnett?

  No, they're the best.

• 7:10Jason Bateman?

  There's a reason they're, they're on.

• 7:12Sean Hayes?

  Reason we keep going.

• 7:13Jason Bateman?

  Heavy rotation.

• 7:13Will Arnett?

  Yeah, we, there's, we always have an unbelievable time and a delicious meal and we're very, very lucky and fortunate.

• 7:21Jason Bateman?

  And I haven't been able to be there for a long time. Willie, you haven't been there for.

• 7:24Will Arnett?

  Months and months and months, since January, I think.

• 7:27Sean Hayes?

  Yeah.

• 7:28Will Arnett?

  Yeah, I'm very excited.

• 7:29Sean Hayes?

  It's gonna be fun. On the way back, I flew back yesterday, I.

• 7:33Will Arnett?

  From Chicago, right?

• 7:34Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, from Chicago. I stopped in and I saw a play at my old high school with some friends that I was in that play with. It was, they did, you can't take it with you, you know, that old play? And so all of, a bunch of friends.

• 7:47Jason Bateman?

  What a show!

• 7:49Will Arnett?

  Turns out you can take it with you.

• 7:54Jason Bateman?

  What, well, but wait a second.

• 7:55Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, that wild.

• 7:55Jason Bateman?

  You saw a show at your high school, you're still in contact with the folks that run your high school theater program?

• 8:00Sean Hayes?

  No, no, friends, my friends that I was in theater with in, in high school and my friend Amy and Rob and Shereen and we, Shereen I went to prom with and she's like, so we're all like, let's go see the play that we were all a part of.

• 8:12Will Arnett?

  Was she, was she a beard situation?

• 8:15Sean Hayes?

  A hundred percent.

• 8:16Will Arnett?

  Yeah, can I ask you this too? I actually thought that you were gonna say, I was in Chicago and I stopped to check in with, I thought you were gonna say a piece of chocolate cake.

• 8:26Sean Hayes?

  I stopped checking with Portillo's.

• 8:27Will Arnett?

  Yeah, Portillo's, that's the name of the place.

• 8:30Sean Hayes?

  By the way, I did.

• 8:32Jason Bateman?

  Shawnee, I'm always impressed, I don't know if that's the right word, with the amount of people you're still in contact with.

• 8:40Will Arnett?

  I know, me too.

• 8:40Jason Bateman?

  From.

• 8:42Will Arnett?

  It speaks to what a great, genuine person you are. It really does. It really does.

• 8:46Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 8:46Will Arnett?

  Because on the surface, you seem like such a world-class a-hole.

• 8:50Jason Bateman?

  Thank you, Will. I was trying to figure out how to say it.

• 8:53Will Arnett?

  Yeah, but then it turns out, no, you are such a caring and loving.

• 8:57Jason Bateman?

  Surprisingly nice.

• 8:58Sean Hayes?

  That's true. Look, that's her.

• 9:00Will Arnett?

  Yeah.

• 9:00Sean Hayes?

  And that's my friend Rob, and that's me, prom.

• 9:02Will Arnett?

  Oh, my God.

• 9:03Sean Hayes?

  Anyway, blah, blah, blah, blah.

• 9:04Will Arnett?

  Blah, blah, blah, blah.

• 9:05Jason Bateman?

  The show was good?

• 9:06Sean Hayes?

  The show was great. The kids were great.

• 9:07Jason Bateman?

  Did you have any notes for the person?

• 9:08Sean Hayes?

  I had one line. I had one line, and it was, "You're right, chief. They have enough gunpowder down there to blow up the whole town." So when.

• 9:16Jason Bateman?

  Wait, do you say that with anxiety?

• 9:18Sean Hayes?

  Yes.

• 9:18Jason Bateman?

  Like, have you just come back from a reconnaissance?

• 9:21Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, exactly. By the way, when I was in high.

• 9:23Will Arnett?

  Like, kind of out of breath.

• 9:24Jason Bateman?

  You were right, chief.

• 9:25Sean Hayes?

  Totally, totally.

• 9:29Sean Hayes?

  And when the guy came on, because we sat in the bell.

• 9:31Will Arnett?

  Do you remember the way you read it? Yeah, let me have it. Ready?

• 9:34Sean Hayes?

  I think I just did it.

• 9:35Will Arnett?

  No, just do it. Let's go.

• 9:38Sean Hayes?

  You were right, chief. They have enough gunpowder down there to blow them.

• 9:41Will Arnett?

  I hope you weren't laughing like that.

• 9:45Jason Bateman?

  This guy is not in the moment.

• 9:47Sean Hayes?

  But the guy, but the guy that came out and said my line, I was like, woo! They clapped really hard.

• 9:52Will Arnett?

  Oh, my God.

• 9:53Sean Hayes?

  They were great. They're all great. Anyway.

• 9:54Will Arnett?

  Well, listen, you could have used some direction, which, and maybe you could have used direction from our guest today.

• 10:01Jason Bateman?

  Oh, nice, Will.

• 10:02Will Arnett?

  Yes, because.

• 10:03Sean Hayes?

  Segway alert.

• 10:04Will Arnett?

  Segway alert, because this is a guy who's become one of our more accomplished directors that we have today.

• 10:11Sean Hayes?

  No way.

• 10:12Will Arnett?

  Not only is he prolific, but he is also a fantastic director. And what he does is.

• 10:19Sean Hayes?

  Milos Forman. Is it Milos Forman?

• 10:20Will Arnett?

  And he came at it, listen, again, he's one of those guys, once you name some of his credits, you're gonna go exactly who it is. But what I, and I know this guy, and I got to know him because he's worn a bunch of different hats in what we do. He, for many years, was, started as a stunt.

• 10:42Will Arnett?

  Guy.

• 10:42Jason Bateman?

  David Leitch.

• 10:43Will Arnett?

  Guy, stunt person.

• 10:44Jason Bateman?

  David Leitch.

• 10:45Will Arnett?

  And then, and then he became a stunt coordinator, and then he became a director and a producer. And, and Jason, you already guessed it, because he did Deadpool 2, Hobbs and Shaw, Bullet Train, Fall Guy, it's my friend David Leitch.

• 10:56Speaker 03

  Oh my god, David Leitch, no way.

• 10:58Jason Bateman?

  This guy knows what's going on.

• 10:59Will Arnett?

  The second you say it, because he's such a legend.

• 11:03Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 11:03Will Arnett?

  He's such a legend.

• 11:05Jason Bateman?

  Very good at what he does, everybody.

• 11:07Will Arnett?

  He is, he is very good, and, and.

• 11:11Jason Bateman?

  He is.

• 11:11Will Arnett?

  One of the things, Dave, that I want to say, first of all, welcome to Smartless.

• 11:14Jason Bateman?

  Welcome.

• 11:15Speaker 03

  I'm excited, guys, thanks for having us on. Hey, yeah, I'm nervous.

• 11:18Will Arnett?

  No, don't be nervous. One of the things I love about you, David, is, is that I, I knew you back when you were still coordinating, when I first met you, and you were also second unit directing.

• 11:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 11:29Will Arnett?

  And you have not changed a bit. You've become like this huge director, and you are still the same guy. You're still very hungry, you're still very normal, you're still very grounded. And so, I, I really, it's a real testament, you're, before we get going, everybody needs to know what a great dude you are.

• 11:46Speaker 03

  Ah.

• 11:46Will Arnett?

  I just want to say that off the bat.

• 11:48Speaker 03

  We, we had a great, thank you.

• 11:50Will Arnett?

  Yeah.

• 11:51Speaker 03

  Well, you know, we had a great time on Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, didn't we?

• 11:55Will Arnett?

  We did, we did, we had a great time. David made me look really good, because he shot all this stuff of this 18 wheeler driving down a mountain, right? And so, he went and he shot all this stuff, this insane 18 wheeler thing, and they shot it like two months before, and then like two months later, I got to just sit in the cab of a truck on a, on a parking lot outside Standard Studios in Brooklyn, and just hyperventilate and pretend I was doing that.

• 12:21Speaker 03

  But I want to say that was a great performance.

• 12:23Will Arnett?

  Thank you.

• 12:24Speaker 03

  Very brave, very brave.

• 12:26Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 12:27Will Arnett?

  Very brave. I had to get out, I had to get out of my Escalade, then get into the front cab of the thing.

• 12:32Jason Bateman?

  And then take off your warming coat.

• 12:34Will Arnett?

  Take off, what time is lunch?

• 12:37Jason Bateman?

  But David, don't you think you have to be as prolific as you are and a bunch of directors that are as successful as you and Mr. Bateman here? Don't you think you have to have that kind of personality that Will just described you are, which is a peacekeeper and like, you know, you can't get a hot head and everybody's, you know, keep everything in order? Because you can't have a temper, right?

• 13:00Speaker 03

  Well, I mean, you, there are directors that have it. That are prolific.

• 13:04Jason Bateman?

  There's plenty that have made it work.

• 13:07Speaker 03

  That I've worked with as a stuntman or a department head, you know? Look, I was really lucky. I got to mentor under a lot of great directors. You get to see what worked for you and what doesn't work for you. And being an asshole really doesn't work for me.

• 13:24Jason Bateman?

  No.

• 13:25Speaker 03

  It doesn't work for me.

• 13:26Jason Bateman?

  It doesn't, you would not wear asshole well. It is interesting, isn't it? Like, a lot of people don't realize that directors don't work with other directors. So they don't know whether what they're doing is good or bad or efficient or not or not, or, you know, and so actors or cameramen or really anybody on the set has the opportunity to sort of cherry pick from, you know, a bunch of directors how to do it if they get a chance to do it. And so, David, you've, can you mention any that you've picked some great points from?

• 14:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, I worked with the Wachowskis for a long time. And they, you know.

• 14:06Jason Bateman?

  On the Matrix movies.

• 14:07Speaker 03

  On the Matrix movies. And then after that, we did V for Vendetta, we did Ninja Assassin, the classic Ninja Assassin. But we did, we did a lot of films and, you know, there's a precision to what they do. There's the homework that they do to be prepared, like all of that stuff. And they really build a family with their department heads and they, you know, they're really close and. And they allow their department heads to be creative and bring them ideas. And like, and that's, that's where I really enjoy it. You know, I think there's other directors that are like-

• 14:40Will Arnett?

  That collaborative-

• 14:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, the collaborative spirit of a director. Whereas, especially coming from production, you want your ideas to be heard. You know, you design a sequence as a stunt coordinator, you wanna, you wanna be heard.

• 14:52Will Arnett?

  That kinda goes to Jason. Jason, kind of, you know, it's interesting, the point you make. Both of you guys as, became directors, but you came from- Jason, you were an actor for many years since you were a kid. And then you came to, so you got to witness and cherry pick pieces as you went and bring it into. And David, you started as a stunt performer and then, and then coordinator. So you also got to work under, whereas, you know, Jason, as you were mentioning, a lot of directors who start as directors don't have that breadth of experience working with directors. You guys did.

• 15:24Jason Bateman?

  To know how to manage personalities.

• 15:26Will Arnett?

  To know how to collaborate, right? Do you think there's something to that?

• 15:29Jason Bateman?

  I, yeah, I, I do. David, you, you're kinda touching on it that, that, um, you know, you, you, you get exposed to a few work environments, you know, sets that have that collaborative spirit or that were just basically like a, you know, to, you know, minimize it, it's sort of a good vibe. And what that yields is, is, is, is just a better product. And it's, and it's applicable to any industry where, and I've said this before, I apologize to anyone who's heard this, but, um, you know, no one gets fired for doing 75%. Like, you can hold your job for 40 years if you, if you deliver 75%. That's what kinda people expect.

• 16:11Jason Bateman?

  But if you want that extra 25% from people, it's, they've gotta feel a little bit of ownership, a little bit of buy-in, a little bit of, um, you know, equity in, in the process. And that comes from people feeling like they kind of, uh, it's, it's partly theirs. It's like, if it's your house, you put a coaster underneath your drink without even being asked to. But if it's not your house, you might put your drink on the wood table and leave a ring as you don't really give a fuck, you're gonna drive home. So if you let people feel like they're a part of the process, you get that extra bit and then the product really soars, especially in what we do.

• 16:46Will Arnett?

  That's really, really long said. That's really long said.

• 16:53Sean Hayes?

  And I think it applies to many jobs, Jason, so thank you.

• 16:57Will Arnett?

  David, thoughts on that?

• 16:58Speaker 03

  No, I mean, it's a hundred percent true. I mean, again, like, having been on set, you know, my entire adult life as a performer or a department head, it just, you want to be included. And then, you know, being in the director chair and knowing all those people are there to make you look good, you take the good ideas and then you steal all the credit.

• 17:18Will Arnett?

  Yeah. But David, so, I mean, you know, when you look at your, just your, first of all, your resume as a director is impressive enough considering, you know, the films that you've, you've made so far as a director, but the films that you performed as, performed in, Fight Club, I mean, this is one of the great, that's a classic. People often reference it, especially dudes, as their favorite film of all time. You were Brad's stunt double in Fight Club, is that true?

• 17:48Speaker 03

  I was, but it was kind of like one of those movies where you're not doing a lot. You know, when you think about, it's funny, it's like the name is Fight Club and then you go back and watch the film. I actually watched it a couple of months ago. There's only like three fight sequences in it.

• 18:03Will Arnett?

  Right.

• 18:03Speaker 03

  But what we were doing, and you often do as a stunt performer, is train the actors. So we were training the actors for a long time, sort of in this messy style of fighting. And then I might have doubled Brad on two or three little moments.

• 18:21Will Arnett?

  Right.

• 18:21Speaker 03

  Because at that time, he was like, super fit dude. By the way, still super fit.

• 18:26Will Arnett?

  Still super fit, yeah.

• 18:27Speaker 03

  The guy's ripped.

• 18:28Will Arnett?

  I know, I know.

• 18:29Sean Hayes?

  Cool, you guys.

• 18:30Will Arnett?

  By the way, Dave, these guys know, nobody loves Brad more than me.

• 18:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 18:34Will Arnett?

  So, everybody loves him.

• 18:36Sean Hayes?

  We all do.

• 18:37Speaker 03

  He's, he's an awesome human being.

• 18:39Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, I love him.

• 18:39Speaker 03

  And, um, yeah, so it really was like one of those movies where I was working a lot, but we weren't, you know, the stunts I had to do were like, very, very simple. Although I do remember one great, this goes back to Fincher being the sort of like perfectionist that he is. I had to throw the Ed Norton stunt double down that set of stairs at the end of the movie.

• 19:03Will Arnett?

  Sure.

• 19:04Speaker 03

  Twelve times.

• 19:05Will Arnett?

  No way.

• 19:07Speaker 03

  Twelve takes.

• 19:08Will Arnett?

  No way.

• 19:08Speaker 03

  And I ran, and I ran into David, you know, this is like a couple of years ago, and I ran into him and I asked him like, "Hey, what take did you use?" And he's like, "Oh yeah, take two." No way. Oh, yeah. Hundred percent.

• 19:22Jason Bateman?

  So while we're on, who is one of my favorite, favorite directors of all time, David Fincher.

• 19:33Speaker 03

  No, he's incredible.

• 19:34Jason Bateman?

  His level of specificity and precision does require a lesser amount, perhaps, of kind of not contribution, but or even collaboration. Not sure what the right word would be, but he knows exactly what he wants. And so the sort of the arena for, hey, well, what do you guys think? You know, what's your, how should we do it? Like, there's a great deal of planning and precision going into every shot that he's doing. And so how do you, how do you recommend, even in other industries, room for other people to fit into that?

• 20:13Speaker 03

  Yeah. Their own ideas. I mean, with David, I think you buy into the vision, right? And so I think, you know, part of like your, the excitement with his crew is like, you know, the vision is so strong that you want to make sure you're providing the details for it. And so again, like, if you're, if you're a professional and you love this business and you get to work with somebody who has this really strong vision, then you just, you know, you, you ratchet the gear and looking in that way, I'm like, okay, how can I service this vision? I mean.

• 20:45Jason Bateman?

  You're doing a lot of that, though, too. Like, you know, Bullet Train, is I got the title right? Oh, yeah. I mean, there was so much incredible technical execution on that that like, there's no room for fucking, hey, guys, let's all kind of figure this out. You know, we'll just rehearse until lunch and then we'll just shoot after lunch. It's like, no, you coming in with a plan, you know, exactly what, so.

• 21:11Speaker 03

  Well, I would say this, sorry to interrupt, but I think that that was a mixture of those two styles. I think, you know, I had shot listed that movie with Jonathan Sella, and we were very, very precise, but we allowed for, like, when you look at Aaron Taylor Johnson and Brian Tyree Henry, they're playing these lemon and tangerine. Yeah. When I was in my setups, I let them go. Like, they were just brilliant and I was just like rolling, like, you know, like. And just mining for gold. So the composition and the editorial style and like all of the production design, like that was really my department heads and we curated it and we had a plan going in and but we let the actors riff a lot.

• 21:54Jason Bateman?

  Right, but once you get into the action sequences or stuff that where the cameras being the performer, you've got it, you've got to keep them somewhat reined in, they got to toe the marks, they got to make sure their look doesn't turn until camera gets around like they they need to be good soldiers.

• 22:09Will Arnett?

  And Jay, as you, as you probably know, and David, we've talked about it, you, you made that film under very tough circumstances. It was right in, right during the pandemic and takes place, takes place in Japan and you guys shot it in Culver City primarily, right?

• 22:24Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, I didn't know that.

• 22:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, we shot it. Yeah, it was right height of the pandemic, you know, before the vaccine and we were greenlit and we were actually getting ready to like sort of prep it for Tokyo and we were going to go shoot it on location and then it's like they decided they want to do it, but they're going to do it. Can I do a version on stage? And so, um.

• 22:44Jason Bateman?

  Well, wait, you weren't you, but you, you had to assume that a lot of that was going to be a build, right? Like you weren't going to shoot it on a practical train, all that stuff, were you?

• 22:52Speaker 03

  No, no, no. But I really wanted to go to Japan and like get some, um, you know, some real environments and like, you know, and real grit and texture. And even the tone of the movie is now completely different because I'm like, okay, we're going to shoot it on stage. What's the anime version of this film? And then I think we did a big pivot, you know, with the production design and the music and like the costumes. And I'm like, I'm going to make this sort of a anime graphic novel.

• 23:19Will Arnett?

  Yeah.

• 23:20Speaker 03

  Movie because we really have one big soundstage we can, you know, do it on.

• 23:24Jason Bateman?

  But you knew you were gonna, you were gonna go with a splinter unit or a second year or whatever, get all the exteriors and the establishing, yes.

• 23:31Speaker 03

  And actually, we did that crazy enough during the pandemic on WhatsApp.

• 23:35Will Arnett?

  Yeah.

• 23:35Jason Bateman?

  Oh, what do you mean?

• 23:36Speaker 03

  I had a, I had a cinematographer.

• 23:40Will Arnett?

  This is the greatest. I love this story.

• 23:41Speaker 03

  Cinematographer in Japan.

• 23:43Jason Bateman?

  Yeah.

• 23:44Speaker 03

  And a first AD in Japan and we had. You know, had them for weeks scouting, sending location photos, sending video, because we, no one was allowed in Japan. You couldn't travel there. It was like there was a lockdown. So

• 23:57Sean Hayes?

  Oh, so you did it through

• 23:58Speaker 03

  We did it. All the plate photography we did with a

• 24:02Sean Hayes?

  Remotely, huh?

• 24:03Speaker 03

  And I would get up in, uh, yeah, two in the morning and get on WhatsApp and watch on a camera.

• 24:08Sean Hayes?

  No way. That's crazy.

• 24:10Will Arnett?

  And so he's directing remotely

• 24:12Sean Hayes?

  Oh my god.

• 24:13Will Arnett?

  From the stage through WhatsApp.

• 24:14Speaker 03

  WhatsApp.

• 24:15Will Arnett?

  And you're like, yeah, maybe frame it up a little bit.

• 24:17Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, that's crazy.

• 24:18Will Arnett?

  You know what I mean?

• 24:19Sean Hayes?

  So your video tap was through WhatsApp as well, or was there another piece of software?

• 24:24Speaker 03

  No, we had another, we had another piece of software to give us the video.

• 24:26Sean Hayes?

  Gotcha.

• 24:27Speaker 03

  And I can't remember what it was exactly.

• 24:28Will Arnett?

  That's so insane.

• 24:29Speaker 03

  It was crazy.

• 24:31Sean Hayes?

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• 29:06Sean Hayes?

  And now, back to the show.

• 29:09Sean Hayes?

  So we've never had a stunt person on before, and I'm fascinated with that life and why you chose it. And was the first, like, you know, I just watched Smoking the Band. And I was like, that guy was a stunt guy. You know? Hell need him. What's that? Yeah. Hell need him. Legends. If anybody needs him, hell does. So, you know, the if, so like, what makes you want to do, to do that?

• 29:34Will Arnett?

  Yeah, how does somebody wake up one day and go, hey? You know what I'm gonna do?

• 29:36Sean Hayes?

  I wanna beat the shit out of myself. Yeah.

• 29:39Will Arnett?

  I hope somebody throws me down the stairs today.

• 29:42Sean Hayes?

  Yeah. And don't you just, aren't you constantly aching? Anyway, go ahead.

• 29:46Speaker 03

  Well, I actually, I am a little achy. I'm not gonna lie, but you know, I've been doing a lot. I do a lot of PT and I stayed, tried to stay healthy. And I did get out, you know, earlier than some of my friends who are still like calling me like, hey, I hear you got a movie going. And I'm like, got a couple of days for me on that show. And you're like, you know, you're 50, dude. You're not jumping out of the car.

• 30:09Jason Bateman?

  Were you constantly, were your parents constantly driving you to the emergency room when you were a little boy? Were you always jumping off shit and hurting yourself?

• 30:16Speaker 03

  No. I actually came into the stunt business right around the time everyone was specializing. And so they were looking for martial artists and I competed in martial arts as a kid and all through college. And I was getting really excited about using this knowledge in movies. Because you learn so much in martial arts that's completely useless, let's be honest. There's all these moves that don't work and you're like, why am I studying all of this stuff? And then you realize, oh, because I can make up a fight with it and it can be really cool and look cinematic. So there was a group of guys that I was competing with that were in LA and they were working on these bad blood sport movies and things like

• 30:59Speaker 03

  that. And I went and visited them in Mexico on the set of this movie called Perfect Target, starring Daniel Bernhardt. And I watched them put together fight scenes, jump off of stuff, you fall into pads and I'm like...

• 31:14Jason Bateman?

  That looks fun.

• 31:14Speaker 03

  I'm in. I just packed up my car and left. I was teaching second grade in Minneapolis. I'd just graduated.

• 31:22Jason Bateman?

  Wow. And you're like, instead of beating...

• 31:24Will Arnett?

  They're like, where are you going? You're like, I'm going to be a stunt performer.

• 31:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm like, moving to LA, I'm gonna be a stunt man. And then, of course, nothing in this business is easy. And so I moved into a house in Redondo Beach, there were six of us, that were all trying to be stunt people. I mean, this is a show in its own right. So we dug a trampoline in the backyard without telling our landlord. We bought our pads, we bought an airbag, we went out to the desert, we built high fall towers. We were just gonna train to be stunt people until somebody... Gave us a shot.

• 32:00Will Arnett?

  No way.

• 32:01Sean Hayes?

  And those, are you still friends with those, that group of?

• 32:03Speaker 03

  Yeah, they're all, by the way, they're all really successful stunt coordinators, second year to directors.

• 32:10Sean Hayes?

  Wow.

• 32:10Speaker 03

  Chad Stahelski was the other guy. He directed John Wick with me.

• 32:14Will Arnett?

  Yeah, you guys co-directed John Wick and?

• 32:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 32:17Sean Hayes?

  That's amazing.

• 32:17Will Arnett?

  We have a, we have a mutual friend too, the great Wade Allen, who, who we both adore.

• 32:21Speaker 03

  Oh, yes, Wade. And he was around in their early years as well.

• 32:24Will Arnett?

  Just love me, Wade Allen. Love Wade.

• 32:27Sean Hayes?

  Stupid question, but what's the biggest injury? Like, what's, like, you're like, okay, I'm out, I can't do this.

• 32:32Speaker 03

  So the big, I, this is a great one. So I'm thinking like, you know, the training ground for stunt performers is the live show, right? And so I hadn't even done a movie yet or a TV show, but I was trying out for the Batman live show at Magic Mountain. I was, by the way, trying out. I wasn't even the guy.

• 32:50Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 32:50Speaker 03

  And, um.

• 32:52Sean Hayes?

  To play Batman?

• 32:53Speaker 03

  To play Batman.

• 32:54Sean Hayes?

  Excellent.

• 32:55Speaker 03

  And I was showing off. I was like swinging from, the, the car goes under the catwalk, I grab the bar and I'm supposed to do a ba, well, I'm not supposed to do a backflip, but I'm gonna show everybody how I'm gonna do a backflip.

• 33:05Sean Hayes?

  Oh, my God.

• 33:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, famous last words, hold my beer.

• 33:08Sean Hayes?

  Right.

• 33:08Speaker 03

  And then it was like, I completely under-rotate it, put my wrist down and I shatter it in four, four places.

• 33:16Sean Hayes?

  Oh, my God. Wow, wow, wow.

• 33:18Speaker 03

  I'm like, surgery, uh, you know, I have a big halo on my wrist and, you know, and it's super embarrassing because again, I'm not even a stunt man yet. I'm just like, the beginning of my career, um, trying to break in this business.

• 33:31Sean Hayes?

  You just try to cover it up?

• 33:32Will Arnett?

  And you think, and you think, and you think like, oh shit, I'm not, I don't have what it takes because I broke my wrist? Like, is there part of you that, were you, were you discouraged?

• 33:41Speaker 03

  I, I, I was embarrassed more than discouraged. I think, you know, there was a great group of guys that we were all like, we just really believed it, you know, we really believed we could make it and, um. Part of it was this conversation we overheard in a diner. We always tell each other this today. It was pretty funny. There was two women in a diner sitting behind us and they were like, preparation plus opportunity equals miracles, sister. Preparation plus opportunity. And so we would jokingly, we'd always say that, but we really meant it. It's like, just get good. Just get good and then someone will open the door and then you're good.

• 34:14Jason Bateman?

  All right.

• 34:15Speaker 03

  Get to do stuff. And so we would just train. All we did was train.

• 34:18Jason Bateman?

  I mean, it's crazy, like Tron, which I love. Tron, the Bourne movies.

• 34:23Sean Hayes?

  Yeah.

• 34:24Will Arnett?

  Bourne Ultimatum. I mean, that is what I, I, there are very few movies that I watch on repeat and the Bourne movies are in there. There are like five, do you guys have like five movies that you, that you will repeatedly watch? I have the Bourne movies.

• 34:40Jason Bateman?

  Yeah.

• 34:41Will Arnett?

  Ronin.

• 34:42Jason Bateman?

  Uh huh.

• 34:43Will Arnett?

  Midnight Run.

• 34:44Jason Bateman?

  A midnight run.

• 34:45Will Arnett?

  And with Neil and I. That's it.

• 34:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 34:47Jason Bateman?

  Yeah.

• 34:48Will Arnett?

  That's it.

• 34:48Speaker 03

  Midnight Run. So good.

• 34:49Jason Bateman?

  David, what's, what's, what's sort of agreed upon as the, when you say that the stuntmen sometimes now specialize, what is sort of the agreed upon hardest thing, that the high water for all stuntmen? Is it, is it driving stuff? Is it firework? Is it free falls? Is it? Yeah.

• 35:08Speaker 03

  Well, look, in the fall guy, we got to like, you know, sort of play homage to all the, the old school stunts, right? We did this like incredible car roll.

• 35:16Jason Bateman?

  Like Dar Robinson?

• 35:17Speaker 03

  Yeah. And we did the high, we did a high fall, like, and that was, um, Bob Brown's kid and who was a legendary high fall artist. Like that, that is really like the lost art.

• 35:31Jason Bateman?

  Hmm. Down into like, down into an airbag.

• 35:33Speaker 03

  Into an airbag.

• 35:34Jason Bateman?

  See those anymore, right?

• 35:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 35:35Jason Bateman?

  It's all cable drops now, isn't it?

• 35:36Speaker 03

  Yeah. We use, you know, visual effects lets us erase the wires and we can use high speed winches or we can use descender rigs. And there's a lot of ways to do that, you know, in a safer manner. But like when we did it in the movie, we had Troy, Troy Brown come out who's, you know, Bob's kid and he's one of the few people that can, that do it. And like has trained that old school sort of stunt. But, look, it's such a wide discipline of stuff. And that's why you have to be specialized, because, you know, everything got more and more technical as we tried to make it safe. And so, the drivers specialize in driving and...

• 36:14Will Arnett?

  But is there one stunt that exists in cinema, like in film, that is heralded as the stunt?

• 36:22Jason Bateman?

  Well, you know what you don't see anymore, and I wonder if this is the answer, is the fire gag. Like, you never see somebody lit on fire anymore, walking around like, "Oh, my God, put me out, put me out."

• 36:32Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, because they're in like a Michelin Man suit.

• 36:35Speaker 03

  Yeah. Well, now, there's like, they've invented this great gel. Actually, there's a stunt performer, he's got a company called Action Factory, and he just won, or he was, he was recognized by the Academy for a technical achievement award for his gel, this stunt gel, that allows you to basically burn for a long period of time without the big suit and like, without the prosthetic mask.

• 37:04Sean Hayes?

  You just rub it on your body?

• 37:05Speaker 03

  Well, it's, um, there's the gel underneath it, but it's really the fuel that burns cooler. It's a combination of the water gel, which is like an aloe-based gel, and then the fuel that burns cooler. But, look, it's all like the circus, like, there's all these sort of secrets.

• 37:22Will Arnett?

  Jay, what's that story from you when you were 18, you had to use a gel for burning? What was that? Hey, hey, um, but is there, but I guess what I'm asking is, is there one thing that everybody uses as, you know, Jason said, you know, like, there's a particular style of stunt that's the high watermark, but is there one performance, stunt performance, that everybody goes, "That's the granddaddy of them all." Somebody who did like a jump, or a thing, or a fall?

• 37:49Jason Bateman?

  What about that jump in one of the Bourne movies, where the guy jumps from one building into another building through a side window? Right? And camera follows him in?

• 37:58Sean Hayes?

  Yes, I think about that all the time.

• 37:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was pretty amazing.

• 38:01Sean Hayes?

  It's really impressive.

• 38:02Will Arnett?

  And Matt must have loved it. I mean, you know, sitting there with his Dunkin' Donuts coffee in his hand.

• 38:08Speaker 03

  Do it again. He was already on a...

• 38:10Will Arnett?

  Yeah, you know what? That looks really fucking good from over here. Yeah, do it one more. Is there one where we can see his face a little bit less? That'd be great, just so people believe it's me. Fucking, I don't want anybody taking my credit.

• 38:22Sean Hayes?

  Tell him to fix his head.

• 38:23Will Arnett?

  You know Matt. You know how Matt is.

• 38:25Speaker 03

  He probably was sitting on first unit. I mean, I don't know if we shot it on second unit. I can't really remember that, but yeah, it was um, it was a pretty amazing stunt.

• 38:32Will Arnett?

  By the way, I drive Matt crazy with questions about the Bourne movies all the time. I make him insane. I ended up, Frank Marshall ended up giving me like a rap gift, like from the first one with the briefcase and the jacket and stuff, because I wouldn't stop bothering him about, how'd you guys do that? And then what did you do when you did that? Like, I'm so annoying. I love those movies so much.

• 38:51Jason Bateman?

  David, how do you feel? Are you excited about this, you know, the Academy Awards are gonna-

• 38:55Will Arnett?

  Well, this is what I was gonna bring up. Yes. This is David's, David has been leading the charge on this, Jason. Do you know this?

• 39:01Jason Bateman?

  No, not at all.

• 39:02Will Arnett?

  David sort of really grabbed the reins on, and David, I want you to say it in your words, but I want to tee you up-

• 39:08Jason Bateman?

  Tell Tracy what this is.

• 39:09Will Arnett?

  Yeah, you have, uh, it's a real breakthrough in entertainment and in our-

• 39:14Jason Bateman?

  A new category in the Academy Awards.

• 39:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. Look, it was, it's been a long journey. And, um, look, for 20-plus years, inside the Academy, there's been a lot of stunt coordinators working on it. Um, you know, Jack Gill, Greg Smurfs, Melissa Stubbs, there's been a lot of people trying to move the needle. And, um, after, you know, we basically, we, we made Fall Guy, we're coming back from making Fall Guy. We are all feeling really excited about this giant commercial we made for why there should be an Academy Award for stunts. And, um, I just went in with Kelly, uh, my wife and producing partner, we went in and talked to the Academy of like, what's been the stumbling blocks? How do we get this done? You know,

• 39:59Speaker 03

  casting found a way to get this done. How can we find a way to get this done? And they really did, there was a tremendous amount of support inside the Academy. And they just said, look, we, we have a roadmap, you follow. And, um, it's just been-

• 40:15Speaker 03

  Some sort of lack of clarity. And so Kelly and I really went down the road of like trying to rebrand what we were asking for. And I think, you know, the Academy obviously has these, this legacy of honoring design, like production design, costume design. And I think when people think stunts, they're like, what are you going to give the stunt to the, you're going to give the award to the performer? Are you going to give the award to the person that rigged the stunt? And it's like, no, we're going to give it to the stunt coordinator, the department head. The tradition is you give it to the designer. And so we rebranded our credit on The Fall Guy, and this was Kelly's idea, to stunt designer. And Chris

• 40:58Speaker 03

  O'Hara, the stunt coordinator on that, we went, Kelly went to the guilds, she got it approved by the WGA and the DGA, I'm sorry, the DGA and SAG. And it was like, we got the credit stunt designer. And that was sort of the first

• 41:13Sean Hayes?

  That's really cool.

• 41:14Will Arnett?

  Now, and so now this year, the next Oscars, stunts are going to be recognized, or maybe not.

• 41:21Speaker 03

  Well, it's going to be two years. I think, you know, that's kind of like they, we have, we have some internal things to do, in terms of like how it's going to be awarded. And they want to, they want to do it on the 100th

• 41:33Will Arnett?

  Oh, on the 100th anniversary.

• 41:35Jason Bateman?

  Do we know if that's going to be a part of the primetime awards? Or is that going to be the technical awards?

• 41:39Speaker 03

  I think it's all open for discussion and really wasn't what we voted on this time around. But it's, it's exciting. Like, look, I think it was, it's long overdue. And I was happy to be instrumental inside the Academy, like really getting on the Zooms with all the governors I could and like really canvassing it. And then, you know, for our final vote, I curated a video presentation with a lot of

• 42:08Speaker 03

  Director friends, celebrity friends that were really advocates.

• 42:10Sean Hayes?

  That's great.

• 42:11Will Arnett?

  Well, I honestly, David, kudos to you for doing it. I think it's awesome. And I think it's awesome that the Academy recognized it too. So kudos for them for, for that. And, and I, as we all know, and, and Jason, I've heard you talk about it before, and we all know here on this, and, and people should know, you know, everybody who's on set, when you're there, everybody is a filmmaker at that point. Everybody is part of the filmmaking process.

• 42:36Jason Bateman?

  There's no one there that doesn't need to be there.

• 42:37Sean Hayes?

  Exactly.

• 42:38Jason Bateman?

  Especially when it comes to rigging up a stunt is such, is such serious work. It's so much safety and rigging.

• 42:44Will Arnett?

  Yeah. And that recognition is, is, is long overdue to, to all the incredible stunt performers out there. So, so really, kudos to you. It's, it's awesome. And, um.

• 42:54Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, that's great. I have a question about like overall stunt work.

• 42:57Will Arnett?

  Well, good, cause from Will and Grace.

• 43:02Speaker 03

  There was some pratfalls in Will and Grace.

• 43:04Sean Hayes?

  Exactly. By the way, by the way, one of my, one of my entrances on the.

• 43:08Will Arnett?

  By the way, it says me. I don't.

• 43:10Sean Hayes?

  One of my entrances, entrances on David Letterman, when, when he had his talk show.

• 43:14Will Arnett?

  Uh huh.

• 43:14Sean Hayes?

  They let me jump off the balcony onto a. What? Yeah. I jumped off the balcony onto, what is it called? Nice.

• 43:20Jason Bateman?

  Like a pad?

• 43:21Sean Hayes?

  Yeah. Like, like it was filled with air, like an air pad.

• 43:24Speaker 03

  Like an airbag.

• 43:25Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, an airbag. I can't believe they let me do that. But anyway.

• 43:28Will Arnett?

  Go ahead, Sean.

• 43:29Sean Hayes?

  No, I was just gonna say, so is it, by the way, that's whatever that is. But is it true that, um.

• 43:34Will Arnett?

  Oh, sorry. Sorry. Hang on.

• 43:36Sean Hayes?

  Yeah. No, no, I just meant like, I can't believe somebody let me do that. I'm not, I wasn't even.

• 43:40Will Arnett?

  Best stunt performance in a talk show appearance.

• 43:43Speaker 03

  There was no stunt coordinator on set.

• 43:45Sean Hayes?

  There was none.

• 43:46Jason Bateman?

  Was there a bump? Did you get, or did you just get the appearance fee or was there a stunt bump?

• 43:50Will Arnett?

  Jason, you always, Jason, you always did a bump before Letterman, didn't you?

• 43:53Jason Bateman?

  I always love a good bump on Letterman.

• 43:58Sean Hayes?

  And not Letterman. But anyway, so, uh, but is it true to that, do you guys get, or the stunt people get paid every single take? Is that right? It's not like a regular acting fee or whatever. Is it true that that's how they get paid? I heard that one.

• 44:10Speaker 03

  Well, that, that, that's a great, that's a great, we can explain what bump means in the stunt world.

• 44:15Will Arnett?

  Yeah.

• 44:16Speaker 03

  Yeah. So every time, yeah. Well, in the eighties, it meant two things, I'm sure. Yeah. It probably meant one, like, how am I gonna get ready? And two, how am I gonna get paid?

• 44:24Sean Hayes?

  Yeah.

• 44:24Speaker 03

  But it's really, it's called a stunt adjustment and you get, you get money for each time you do something that's dangerous. And that's sort of, it's, it's decided by the stunt coordinator and production and like sort of agreed upon. And so, yeah, if you did this, that stairfall I was talking about in Fight Club, I mean, he was probably getting $500 each time.

• 44:44Will Arnett?

  By the way, I liked that.

• 44:46Sean Hayes?

  On top of his salary.

• 44:47Will Arnett?

  David, I like the idea that he's like, he's like, he's like, hey, man, listen, my kid needs new braces. Do I just throw me down a couple more times?

• 44:55Jason Bateman?

  Fuck it up, yeah.

• 44:57Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 44:58Will Arnett?

  Exactly.

• 45:00Sean Hayes?

  And we will be right back.

• 45:04Sean Hayes?

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• 46:10Sean Hayes?

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• 48:21Sean Hayes?

  And now, back to the show.

• 48:25Sean Hayes?

  You mentioned that your wife is your producing partner.

• 48:29Jason Bateman?

  Yeah.

• 48:30Sean Hayes?

  Talk to us about that.

• 48:31Jason Bateman?

  That's awesome. She's awesome.

• 48:33Sean Hayes?

  How long you been doing that?

• 48:37Sean Hayes?

  I mean, the fact that you never have to be separated, because so much of what we do necessitates a separation from your family, and I know boo-hoo, you know, these are high-class problems. But, you know, it is kind of tough. It's so great, it sounds like. You guys get to stick together all the time. Talk to us about that.

• 48:56Speaker 03

  It really is, actually. I mean, so we've been married 12 years. And it's been... It's been amazing. Like, look, I, we, we met a little later in life and that, that was great. She's just-

• 49:10Jason Bateman?

  Was she a producer when you met her?

• 49:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 49:12Jason Bateman?

  Is that how you guys met?

• 49:13Speaker 03

  She came, she worked at Scott, with Scott Rudin's company and then she ended up in LA. And she is 100% responsible for me turning, becoming a director.

• 49:26Jason Bateman?

  Oh, really?

• 49:26Speaker 03

  I will give her all the credit. So she sort of, she wasn't a manager, but she hip pocketed Chad and I when she was working at this company called Sierra Affinity, which is a foreign sales company and she was curating their slate of projects. And she was like, I'm gonna get you guys. And, and Nick Meyer, the guy that owned that company, allowed her to do that. And so she really, you know, taught us how to take meetings and like, really was a champion to the agencies about, these guys direct to action, but they also tell stories. And she was like a big advocate for us. And she ended up finding John Wick. It came through Sierra Affinity's office and she sort of slipped it to Chad and I. And she's like, you guys should meet on second unit and then you should pitch yourselves

• 50:10Speaker 03

  as directors. Because it's all action.

• 50:13Jason Bateman?

  Was that your first film as a director?

• 50:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 50:16Jason Bateman?

  And was that the first John Wick?

• 50:18Speaker 03

  The first John Wick, yes.

• 50:19Jason Bateman?

  Now, Keanu Reeves is notoriously very picky and, and snobby in the best way about directors, as is Brad Pitt. Like, these guys just work in director vehicles, even though they're enormous stars and can work in and create star vehicles and just get any director that'll listen to whatever the hell they want to do. They don't do that. They, they, they love to work for. So, what a huge compliment that you ran through whatever gauntlet creatively through Keanu, who's so discerning. That's, that's awesome.

• 50:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, he, he was incredibly supportive from the beginning. And he is, you're right, he's like a director's actor. Like, he loves the director. And he, we had worked with him for so long on the Matrix sequels. And we had trained him for those sequences and Chad was actually-

• 51:08Jason Bateman?

  So he was familiar with you guys?

• 51:10Speaker 03

  Yeah, and he-

• 51:10Jason Bateman?

  That's great.

• 51:12Speaker 03

  And then we had helped with- Choreography on Man of Tai Chi, something that he directed. And so we were like, we maintained that relationship and friendship. So then when it came up, hey, there's a lot of action in this movie. We'd love to be considered and we put together our presentation, our lookbook, our sort of, you know, our character sketches and our arcs. And we pitched it to him. He said, let's go to Lionsgate and tell him you want to do it.

• 51:40Will Arnett?

  Do you ever see yourself, Dave, do you ever see yourself doing something kind of moody and small and talky, just as, just as a gear shift? Yeah, do you?

• 51:50Jason Bateman?

  You have a script you want to, you want to submit, Will?

• 51:53Will Arnett?

  Yeah. It's real talky. It's just me basically talking.

• 51:57Jason Bateman?

  It's in a room.

• 51:57Speaker 03

  It's, you know, it's hard because I mean, I have so much fun, you know, since Deadpool, I, you know, everything's had a real fun tone. And I do enjoy comedy, you know, that's why I'm, you know, not only the reason, but I'm a huge fan of all your work, you know, all you guys. Like, you're just so fricking funny. And that's why we have to do something together, please.

• 52:20Jason Bateman?

  The smartless stunt movie. I see it now.

• 52:22Speaker 03

  Let's do it.

• 52:23Sean Hayes?

  Or you, or you just throw me down the stairs and that's it.

• 52:26Jason Bateman?

  Over and over and over.

• 52:28Will Arnett?

  By the way, by the way, before you get into it, because I want to hear your, I want to hear your answer of what you want to do. Just, just to remind our audience, the films that you've done, that you've directed, just that you've directed John Wick, Atomic Blonde, Deadpool 2, Hobbs and Shaw, Bullet Train, Fall Guy, like these are.

• 52:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's incredible.

• 52:45Will Arnett?

  I know, these are all big, like, big cinematic, you know, event movies that people love to go to. Just to remind our listener, these are the movies that you love.

• 52:55Jason Bateman?

  And the degree of difficulty is super high.

• 52:58Will Arnett?

  It's super high. So, so having said that, so you've done these big movies that take a lot of planning and a lot of resources and figure, so. Do you see yourself making a

• 53:09Jason Bateman?

  Something simpler? Yeah, no.

• 53:12Speaker 03

  Well, I do. I mean, I look, the the fun moments for me right now, it's not the big action sequences. I mean, again, I love making them. But they're the sort of like earnest, dramatic moments, you know, I think into the Fall Guy, like, some of the scenes with Ryan and Emily that are really sort of emotional.

• 53:29Jason Bateman?

  They're both such good actors.

• 53:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, and like watching those collaborating with those great actors and like bringing, you know, some real humanity to the screen.

• 53:40Jason Bateman?

  Yeah.

• 53:41Speaker 03

  I think separates, if I pat myself on the back for a second, I think it separates what, you know, people go to see my movies because they're big action movies and there's subversive comedy and all that, but they're, they remember them because they love the characters so much and it's because you actually cared about them.

• 53:57Jason Bateman?

  Right.

• 53:58Will Arnett?

  Well, I think, and it goes to David also, like how I kicked it off, which is you are such a great guy and you are such a, you are a very thoughtful person. And so it doesn't surprise, it wouldn't surprise me if you did something like leaning more that way. And you're right, your movies do have those elements in it. So it'd be cool to see.

• 54:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, I would love to do, you know, a straight up drama. I think right now I'm actually in Pittsburgh and I'm prepping the next movie. It's called Hotter, Rabah Bank. And it's the, it is sort of a new, you know, taking a heist movie and turning it on its head. And I have Nick Holt and Pete Davidson.

• 54:37Will Arnett?

  Amazing.

• 54:39Jason Bateman?

  That's awesome.

• 54:40Speaker 03

  There's a lot of dramatic elements in this project that was why I'm attracted to it.

• 54:45Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, talk about that for a sec. Like, would you have been as excited earlier, earlier, that, that, that a project like this is sort of led with, you know, just sort of, you need to be able to talk actor bullshit lingo and you need to be able to talk fucking, you know, lighting and editorial pace. But you know what I mean? Like, how was, how was that a comfortable transition for you? Or, or not transition, was it a comfortable process for you to learn and get as familiar with? Talking actor, or talking gaffer, or talking camera operator, as it was talking stunts. Like, was that, was that, was that one of the big things? It was like, oh, you know, I can coordinate a fight,

• 55:28Jason Bateman?

  but the, the other part of this directing stuff is being able to like, help an actor kind of find a moment, or try, or talk to, you know, the, the, the gaffer about, you know, what the lighting strategy might be in this thing. Or, talk about that stuff.

• 55:42Will Arnett?

  Or tell Jason Bateman that his wig is slipping off. You know what I mean?

• 55:46Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, you gotta take him to the side, you know? Cause no one knows. No one's gonna tell, yeah.

• 55:53Speaker 03

  Well, I will say, yes, you get, you get better each time out. And I think, but I did, you know, I had, for better or worse, I had the training wheels of second unit. And, so with second unit, you're still working with actors. And like, you know, a movie like, um, this, you know, this blockbuster, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, that Will and I worked on. Like, I mean, I worked with-

• 56:15Will Arnett?

  It was a blockbuster. It was. Number one for three weeks. Go ahead.

• 56:18Speaker 03

  It was. We, um,

• 56:22Speaker 03

  we, um, I worked with Will. You know, I got to work with actors and we were working on performance even inside the action. So you were constantly like, you were learning actor speak at that way, at that, because that well. But then, you know, obviously sitting in the, the first unit chair becomes, it's a different animal. Um, but I felt really, really comfortable from the get-go. But I think it was, you know, having years of like, you know, being a second unit director, getting more and more, a bigger piece of the, of the film each time out, you know? Like, these big commercial films, like, you might have like, six weeks of second unit. You know, it's a lot. And it was, that's more than we had to shoot John Wick.

• 57:07Speaker 03

  The first movie.

• 57:08Jason Bateman?

  What would, what, what would, what would folks listening who are not in, who are not in this business, what, what, what part of the process as a director, uh, would they be surprised to hear is really not enjoyable? Not really pleasant? Is it, is it, is it the, is it sort of the start of things? Like, sort of pitching, you know, trying to describe what you're gonna do to these studio heads when you're sitting in an office? You know, or is it, is it marketing it? Like, talking to the press afterwards about what to expect? Like, there's so many different parts. Is there, is there a part that's particularly- Unpleasant to you or a part that you're still kind of getting used to or making friends with?

• 57:50Speaker 03

  I mean, getting them off the ground is always the hardest.

• 57:53Jason Bateman?

  Yeah.

• 57:54Speaker 03

  You know, it's just.

• 57:56Jason Bateman?

  Selling.

• 57:57Speaker 03

  Selling it, you know, and like in getting people involved and getting their schedules right and like getting your key collaborators to believe in it.

• 58:04Will Arnett?

  Even once you've sold it, just from the, even once they say yes, even from the yes to first day to actually showing up. You're like, right to the end, right? You're like, we're supposed, because never a hard green light.

• 58:19Speaker 03

  Are we greenlit?

• 58:21Will Arnett?

  Are we greenlit? And you're working on the budget like the week before they're like, it's kind of approved budget, right? Explain a little bit how that works like.

• 58:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, you're, you know, you, they say they want to make it for something and then you get it into that box. And then, you know, you have a creative idea and I'm like, that's a great idea. And then you're like, yeah, the money box. And then it's like the box expands and then you try and get it back in and it's constantly like trying to hit a number. Whether it's a, you know, a hundred million dollar movie, because there's all these expectations that drive those costs up. Or it's a 25 million dollar movie like these ones that we produce that, you know, they're never greenlit. Nobody's coming out, nobody two is coming out in August. That's another exciting.

• 59:05Will Arnett?

  So psyched. Nobody, with the great Bob Odenkirk, who I, yeah, who we all know very well.

• 59:11Jason Bateman?

  I just saw him on stage at Glengarry Glen Ross.

• 59:13Sean Hayes?

  I did too, Jay. I just saw, how great is he?

• 59:15Jason Bateman?

  Was he great? Yeah.

• 59:16Sean Hayes?

  So great.

• 59:17Speaker 03

  He's, he's amazing. He's so good. And nobody too, I'm really excited about it. We've had, we've had, we had a great time making it. I was actually one of those where Kelly produced it, but I was on set quite a bit. It was really fun. Like we were super.

• 59:33Will Arnett?

  Isn't that Sean, that's your, that's your handle on Grindr is just nobody, right?

• 59:36Sean Hayes?

  That's correct. Yeah. And just my photos are just neck down.

• 59:40Jason Bateman?

  So you don't get, you don't get a lot of downtime to just go travel or do anything. I mean, it seems like you just go project to project to project.

• 59:47Speaker 03

  Right now it's been that, like the last 10 years has been pretty busy, I have to say, like we've just movie, movie number seven. And then plus the, the ones we produced. Violent Night with David Harbour and The Nobody with Bob. So, but again, I, I love it. I guess, I kinda grew up, as I said, my adult life was all physical production. I loved it. I love the set life. I love

• 1:00:12Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:00:13Speaker 03

  My fellow friends on there. I love like waking up, eating the bad burrito and like, how do we get this done? Like,

• 1:00:19Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:00:20Speaker 03

  So, I miss it. It's been two years since we were on set.

• 1:00:24Jason Bateman?

  Oh, no way. Really?

• 1:00:25Speaker 03

  Yeah. So for me, it's like, I'm ready to, to dig in and, and shoot some stuff.

• 1:00:31Jason Bateman?

  How are you liking Pittsburgh? What have you found up there in Pittsburgh that you, that you're liking to do?

• 1:00:37Speaker 03

  We play, honestly, we play pickleball. So,

• 1:00:39Jason Bateman?

  Oh, yeah? Have you, have you, have you experienced any life scarring injuries from pickleball? Cause that, you can really

• 1:00:47Speaker 03

  I know.

• 1:00:48Sean Hayes?

  Yes. I, I knew somebody that works in the ER just recently. She said, most of the people that come in here because of pickleball.

• 1:00:54Speaker 03

  Oh, it's

• 1:00:55Sean Hayes?

  I swear to God.

• 1:00:56Will Arnett?

  David, no offense, I'm not a fan. I'm not a fan of pickleball.

• 1:00:59Speaker 03

  You're not? Did you play tennis?

• 1:01:01Will Arnett?

  Yeah, I'm a purist. I just, I don't know. I think pickleball, it's a fat man's sport.

• 1:01:08Will Arnett?

  It's replaced racquetball. You stand in the middle of the thing, the ball's gonna come to you eventually.

• 1:01:13Jason Bateman?

  Racquetball. I love racquetball.

• 1:01:15Will Arnett?

  I know. Used to play with Johnny Schwartz. Remember?

• 1:01:17Jason Bateman?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:18Will Arnett?

  JB back in the day.

• 1:01:19Jason Bateman?

  I love it.

• 1:01:20Speaker 03

  There's even places to play racquetball anymore? I loved it.

• 1:01:23Jason Bateman?

  When you find them, you're like, oh my God, look at that big white room.

• 1:01:26Will Arnett?

  I know. No, I like squash, cause it was harder. You know what I mean? And you had to run and get it.

• 1:01:31Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, but there's a very unsatisfying sound and, and, and hit, right?

• 1:01:36Will Arnett?

  How dare you say that about squash? We always enjoyed it immensely.

• 1:01:42Will Arnett?

  So you play a lot of pickleball, which is good.

• 1:01:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, our nephews go to Carnegie Mellon. Kelly's nephews. And so, that's been odd, like, being here. They're both in college and we're now here on prep. And it's like, hey, you guys wanna hang out? It's Saturday night. And they're like, ah.

• 1:01:57Jason Bateman?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:58Speaker 03

  We're in college.

• 1:01:59Jason Bateman?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:59Speaker 03

  I get it.

• 1:02:00Jason Bateman?

  And, yeah. And you're, and you're 50. Yeah, exactly.

• 1:02:02Speaker 03

  And you're 50?

• 1:02:03Jason Bateman?

  Yes, exactly.

• 1:02:04Will Arnett?

  Well, again, David, I just want to say, I want to reiterate how cool it is what you've done for the stunt performers.

• 1:02:13Jason Bateman?

  Really cool.

• 1:02:14Will Arnett?

  To bring them, you know, yeah, to get them recognized and that the Academy did that is really awesome. And so, congrats to everybody. And again, another testament, what a great dude, and what an awesome guy, and what a great director you are, that you've become, and increasingly, it's just so fucking rad. And I'm happy to know you, and continued success, my friend.

• 1:02:36Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, it's great to have talked to you for a bit about all this, man. Thank you for doing this.

• 1:02:41Speaker 03

  Thanks for having me on.

• 1:02:43Will Arnett?

  Yeah, man.

• 1:02:44Speaker 03

  This has been so fun.

• 1:02:45Will Arnett?

  Send my love to Kelly, if you will, please.

• 1:02:47Speaker 03

  I will.

• 1:02:48Will Arnett?

  And, yeah, and we'll talk to you really soon, and have a great time out there in Pittsburgh.

• 1:02:53Speaker 03

  I appreciate it.

• 1:02:54Jason Bateman?

  Enjoy the rest of your weekend.

• 1:02:55Speaker 03

  See you, buddy.

• 1:02:56Will Arnett?

  Cheers, pal.

• 1:02:57Jason Bateman?

  Bye. Bye. That was a great guest there, Willie. Nice going.

• 1:03:04Sean Hayes?

  Really super guy.

• 1:03:05Jason Bateman?

  Such a fan of his.

• 1:03:06Will Arnett?

  I'm really stoked it worked out, and that the skedge worked out, and he's such a great guy. And I have had the pleasure, we also made a commercial together that hasn't aired for a bunch of reasons, but, and so, and it was something that, it was great, but we didn't really have to do much, and we were just on a stage for three days at Paramount.

• 1:03:25Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, he seems like a really fun hang.

• 1:03:27Will Arnett?

  So, we just kind of hung out for three days, and we did this thing, it was fine, and the people were really nice, and we did a nice thing, but I just got to spend an additional three days with him, like, four months ago, and it was so great. He's such a good, thoughtful dude.

• 1:03:39Jason Bateman?

  I think we should workshop what the Smartless movie would be, that we can pitch to him.

• 1:03:43Will Arnett?

  It should be stunt intensive.

• 1:03:44Jason Bateman?

  Well, of course, the three of us, the three of us get kidnapped by a disgruntled listener, and we're tied up in the back of a van.

• 1:03:53Will Arnett?

  Disgruntled listener, and Sean is held hostage at the Donut Factory.

• 1:03:56Sean Hayes?

  Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Oh, I'm back in, I'm back in.

• 1:03:58Jason Bateman?

  And he's just, to keep him fucking quiet, he's got a dozen donuts in his mouth the entire movie.

• 1:04:04Sean Hayes?

  By the way, by the way, the last day, our last day, mine and Scotty, because Scotty's in Will's movie as well, we sent donuts to everybody on set.

• 1:04:12Will Arnett?

  They did.

• 1:04:13Jason Bateman?

  How about that?

• 1:04:14Will Arnett?

  They sent donuts, and then I asked him if he'd had it, and he said, of course. And then I had a great moment, I will say, I won't say where. But I had a great moment, there was this big, Sean Scott, he sent this like, I don't know, like, 30 boxes of donuts on this big table. And at one point, I see like four cops standing over it. And I didn't have my, I never had my phone, I was like, where's my fucking phone?

• 1:04:38Sean Hayes?

  It's real.

• 1:04:39Will Arnett?

  I know, it was pretty good. They were great guys.

• 1:04:42Sean Hayes?

  David's great, though, you know, the one thing. Here he comes. No, no, no, this isn't it, this isn't it yet. But I did want to ask him, because he does seem so level-headed and like really cool, like you're saying.

• 1:04:52Will Arnett?

  He's really cool.

• 1:04:53Sean Hayes?

  Really like down to earth. And Jay, you're the same way, I imagine on set where you're just, but it's like, those types of personalities that are like just down to earth and have to keep everybody happy on a set. What do you do when you get so fucking pissed about a person or something? How do you stuff it? And then how does it come out later?

• 1:05:15Will Arnett?

  Well, let's ask Amanda, because she's usually.

• 1:05:17Sean Hayes?

  Wait, wait, sorry.

• 1:05:18Will Arnett?

  She bears the brunt of most of the frustration.

• 1:05:20Jason Bateman?

  Wait, wait, Sean, I was sorry, I was actually reading something.

• 1:05:23Sean Hayes?

  All right.

• 1:05:24Jason Bateman?

  Say that one more time.

• 1:05:25Will Arnett?

  Oh, my God.

• 1:05:26Jason Bateman?

  No, no, honestly, we just got a pitch for a buy. But what was the, did you say when somebody says something that you don't like, how do you keep your?

• 1:05:36Sean Hayes?

  No, no, no, like you guys have personalities where you're very level-headed and you have to keep the peace on set all the time. And when somebody or something really pisses you off, you can't let it out. So how do you let it out later? What do you do about stuffing all that?

• 1:05:49Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, I know, I mean, I am not perfect with this, I'm sure some will attest. But I guess you just, like in anything, like you or Will or anybody else in this world, you just hope that you have managed your day properly, leading up to that point, where you are living in a place of patience and compromise, that you need to sort of.

• 1:06:14Sean Hayes?

  Because there, yeah, there just must be so many things that are just like, what the fuck? Like all day long, when you're directing, like when anybody's directing.

• 1:06:23Will Arnett?

  Why are you so mad yourself? You're already worked up.

• 1:06:27Sean Hayes?

  I know, because I feel like I would be that way, that's why.

• 1:06:29Jason Bateman?

  It is part of the job, though, right? It is part of the job to manage all the incoming. If you're gonna raise your hand for a leadership position, there's a lot that comes with it, so unless you can do it all, keep your hand down.

• 1:06:42Will Arnett?

  You know what it is, I think that you gotta do? I think that in those moments, when you have that stuff, no, you just gotta be calm and you gotta think about what certain people would do. Like, you know, historically, people who were good. So you think about great people and thing, you might think about this, and you think about God, and whatever you do, you can always look it up in the Bible.

• 1:07:06Jason Bateman?

  Or you might need to just bite your tongue.

• 1:07:11Will Arnett?

  Don't waste that one.

• 1:07:12Jason Bateman?

  Okay.

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