"Bill Gates"

Open the Windows, let’s be BASIC, but don’t XP your pants… it’s the one and only Bill Gates. Pointing, clicking, The Golden Rule, and the dangers of peanut brittle. You have violated the pun law— it’s an all-new SmartLess.

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:00Sean Hayes?

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• 2:42Sean Hayes?

  Good morning, everybody.

• 2:44Jason Bateman?

  Or afternoon, or evening.

• 2:45Sean Hayes?

  Good afternoon or evening.

• 2:46Will Arnett?

  You always ignore the afternoon people.

• 2:48Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, I'm sorry. Good afternoon.

• 2:50Jason Bateman?

  Well, do people listen to podcasts in the afternoon?

• 2:52Will Arnett?

  They sure do. By the way, hello to all the people who are on a jog right now. Hello, how are you? Keep pace.

• 2:58Sean Hayes?

  Watch the cracks. Hello, everybody at the supermarket.

• 3:00Will Arnett?

  Everybody who's driving, check your mirrors.

• 3:02Sean Hayes?

  Those on the subway, don't miss your stop.

• 3:04Will Arnett?

  Yeah, that's right.

• 3:05Sean Hayes?

  Hello, everybody on a walk, just a regular walk.

• 3:07Will Arnett?

  Everybody who's at work, come on, Janet.

• 3:11Jason Bateman?

  And for everyone else, welcome to Smartless.

• 3:33Sean Hayes?

  Oh, wait, I got a quick one. I got a quick dad joke.

• 3:35Jason Bateman?

  Here we go.

• 3:36Sean Hayes?

  What kind of bees make milk?

• 3:38Jason Bateman?

  Hmm.

• 3:39Will Arnett?

  Um...

• 3:40Jason Bateman?

  Will?

• 3:41Will Arnett?

  I don't know.

• 3:43Sean Hayes?

  Boobies.

• 3:47Jason Bateman?

  Boo?

• 3:48Sean Hayes?

  Boobies.

• 3:49Jason Bateman?

  Boobies, yeah, I guess. Okay, I'll go with it. Sure.

• 3:54Sean Hayes?

  I think it's funny.

• 3:55Will Arnett?

  Fuck, you wanted to say no so bad. You wanted to say no.

• 3:58Jason Bateman?

  I wanted to say, no, that's not funny. You have violated the pun law. Um, all right. Another dad joke, please.

• 4:06Sean Hayes?

  Sure.

• 4:07Will Arnett?

  Go ahead, Sean.

• 4:09Sean Hayes?

  My friend keeps saying, cheer up, man, it could be worse. You could be stuck underground in a hole full of water. I know he means well.

• 4:17Jason Bateman?

  Oh, I know he means well, right?

• 4:19Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, well, I didn't hit it.

• 4:21Jason Bateman?

  No, no, I know, but you might need to for some of our listeners.

• 4:24Sean Hayes?

  What about this one? What about, what about this?

• 4:26Jason Bateman?

  Did that, did that italics, the well, in your book?

• 4:29Sean Hayes?

  No, uh-uh, no.

• 4:31Jason Bateman?

  No, go ahead.

• 4:32Sean Hayes?

  Uh, you know, a good elevator joke works on so many levels.

• 4:35Jason Bateman?

  Sure. Ah, he got me. He got me. Nice reading.

• 4:40Sean Hayes?

  Come on, that's good.

• 4:41Jason Bateman?

  Okay.

• 4:42Will Arnett?

  It's pretty good.

• 4:42Jason Bateman?

  Guys, I've said it before and I'll say it again. We three fools are incredibly lucky at times on this show to be able to ask some questions and hear some answers from folks who wouldn't otherwise spend even a second with us. Today's one of those days.

• 4:57Sean Hayes?

  Ooh, I like that.

• 4:58Jason Bateman?

  Our next guest is one of the most important people to have been born in our generation. He is responsible for some of the most transformative ideas, technologies, and events the world has ever known and probably ever will. These discoveries, advancements, and innovations have made parts of our lives and the world around us far different than anyone could have even ever imagined just 40 years ago. His work has brought him enormous wealth, which is enabling him to once again change and help our planet and our lives in ways that are exciting, confusing, and in some ways, life-saving. Please welcome Mr. Bill Gates.

• 5:31Sean Hayes?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 5:32Jason Bateman?

  Wow, Bill Gates. Yeah. Hello, Mr. Gates. Hey, guys.

• 5:37Sean Hayes?

  Wow.

• 5:38Jason Bateman?

  How lucky are we that we've got you now?

• 5:40Sean Hayes?

  This is so cool.

• 5:41Jason Bateman?

  We've got questions.

• 5:42Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, we've got questions. First of all, it looks like you're sitting in a high chair.

• 5:45Jason Bateman?

  I am. Oh. Well, this is a guy who probably does, well, I was gonna say, the guy does a lot of podcasts. I was thinking, why are you, I know you've got a very, thank God you've got a book coming out. I can't not wait to read it. But is that the only reason you're, you're talking to us dummies? I mean, why, why, you've got so much important stuff to do. It's true. Sparing an hour for us is generous, but maybe foolish. It's relaxing.

• 6:14Will Arnett?

  So far.

• 6:15Jason Bateman?

  So we're not making you nervous at all.

• 6:16Will Arnett?

  So far.

• 6:18Jason Bateman?

  Good.

• 6:18Will Arnett?

  Uh, Jason, I also can't wait for you to not read his book. But, uh, uh, Bill Gates, welcome to the podcast. And I say that not because he won't be interested, just he barely knows how to read. And I will say, it's so exciting having you here as somebody who has been responsible for not just innovations, but just, you know, the impact that what you have done over the years has been incredible. And not just in technology, et cetera, and, and really being on the, on the cutting edge of that for years, but all the philanthropic work you've done. I want to, uh, I didn't know you were going to be here today, but I've been a big fan of your work, uh, in the philanthropic, philanthropic area. You've been a leader in that. You've really set a tone, so I, I applaud you and I thank you. And I wish more people would take your, um, take your cue.

• 7:03Jason Bateman?

  Um, yeah. Well, he's setting a great example. I think they, I think they will. I hope they will.

• 7:08Will Arnett?

  Yeah.

• 7:08Jason Bateman?

  Are they? I mean, you, I know you did something, what is it called? The, um.

• 7:12Speaker 03

  The Giving Pledge.

• 7:13Will Arnett?

  Yeah.

• 7:14Jason Bateman?

  The Giving Pledge. Yes. With Warren Buffett, right? Are, are guys, are guys, are men and women following along with that?

• 7:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, we have, uh, we have about 250 people, uh, who've made the commitment to give away the majority of their wealth. And we, you know, we get together and learn from each other because philanthropy is actually a little confusing. You don't have like a rating system or profit, uh, and it, you know, brings you into a new area. And so, uh, we kind of inspire each other and hopefully anybody who's got lots of money feels like pitching in.

• 7:48Jason Bateman?

  Yeah.

• 7:48Sean Hayes?

  Yeah. And because wasn't it, I think Warren Buffett said, because if you can't figure out how to live off of $500 million, there's a problem. Isn't that what he's, isn't that part of that pact?

• 7:57Speaker 03

  That's right.

• 7:58Sean Hayes?

  I think I read that somewhere.

• 7:59Will Arnett?

  Which is funny because I was thinking about writing him a letter and asking him if he'd give me 500 million to see if I could do that.

• 8:04Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, just a little experiment.

• 8:05Will Arnett?

  Do you know what I mean? As an experiment. Uh, um, so Mr. Gates, I, uh, I'd like to ask you, um, if it's possible, Jason, sorry, I don't mean to hijack this, but.

• 8:14Jason Bateman?

  Be my guest. I've got some questions here if you, if you run out.

• 8:17Will Arnett?

  I, I, I'm sure you, at, at risk of, of, of you having said this a million times before, would you talk a little bit about the genesis of Microsoft? Cause I don't know if I've ever really heard a clear story of how it came to be, how you had the idea for it and how it, and how it came into, to fruition.

• 8:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, I was super lucky. You know, my parents found me a little confusing in terms of I was very good at some things and not good at other things. So they sent me to a private school. And that school got a computer. So when I was 13, I had my first exposure. And I got kind of obsessed with figuring it out, what it could do. And so even during high school, together with a friend, Paul Allen, I got thousands of hours of time learning how to write software.

• 9:12Will Arnett?

  So forgive me for interrupting. What year was that that you got first exposed to the computer?

• 9:17Jason Bateman?

  And where?

• 9:18Speaker 03

  That's 1968. I'm up in Seattle, Washington, at an excellent private school. And then Paul's reading, and he sees that a computer's going to be done on a chip, the microprocessor made by people like Intel, and that those chips are going to get twice as good every year or two. And so I say to Paul, that's exponential improvement, that then computers will be almost free, and they'll need a lot of software. We should do that software. And he follows, when I go back to Harvard, because my parents wanted me to go to college, he follows me there to kind of bug me and say, well, this revolution's going to happen. Let's get going.

• 10:03Speaker 03

  And finally, when the first personal computer comes out in late 1974, I drop out, and Paul and I found the company.

• 10:13Jason Bateman?

  And you told Steve Ballmer to stay behind, finish his education, because you're going to need him later.

• 10:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, in fact, he shows up about four years into the company, and he's the other person who plays an unbelievable role. I did manage to catch him in the middle of business school, so I got him to drop out of business school.

• 10:31Jason Bateman?

  There you go.

• 10:32Will Arnett?

  So you see these computers in the late 60s that you're first exposed to, or by comparison, of course, to today, but maybe even to the computers in the mid 70s, rudimentary at best, probably?

• 10:46Speaker 03

  Yeah, also very expensive. And so, you know, we, only big companies and the government have them, and so we would have to sneak in at night to get access. And, you know, we kept saying to people, these things are going to be cheap, but they didn't. You know, they didn't agree, and so we got to be the very first people. Uh, and then you have people like Steve Jobs at Apple, where they're doing the hardware, uh, the Apple II, and we're doing the software. So the Apple computer came with our software.

• 11:20Will Arnett?

  Oh, it did?

• 11:21Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, and was it, was it, uh, correct me if I'm wrong here, but I, for some reason, always thought that one of the major things that, for small brains like me, that really was like, oh, it comp- because I remember computers used, there was the coding thing, and then all of a sudden, one day, there were the, there was, I think it was Windows, which was, it was just point and click stuff. And it was like, oh, this is a whole different thing. Was that not you, Mr. Gates?

• 11:49Speaker 03

  Yes, absolutely. So the, the idea of the graphics interface, where you, you use images, not just characters.

• 11:56Jason Bateman?

  Yeah.

• 11:56Speaker 03

  That's pioneered at Xerox, which made a lot of money on copying machines. And they didn't manage to make a good product. So it's actually Apple with the Macintosh and Microsoft with Windows that takes this idea of graphics interface and takes it to the masses. And, you know, now, everybody knows that's, you know, the way you, you use computers.

• 12:19Jason Bateman?

  You just point and click. But what we don't know is that underneath, what you're pointing on underneath that is a bunch of code that you're activating when you hit a click.

• 12:26Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's pretty, it's actually pretty complicated underneath, which is why we had to hire lots of smart engineers and, uh, write a lot of code.

• 12:36Will Arnett?

  But, but I, but I will say, well, I've, I, I kind of have two questions, which is, A, so you, you learn on these rudimentary huge computers that are the, only the government and, you know, educational institutions have, et cetera. So then, so you and Paul Allen realized that, okay, this is the future. Is, are there people who can teach you how to do the stuff you did? Or did you have to figure a lot of that stuff out yourselves as you were going?

• 13:01Speaker 03

  We pretty much had to to figure it out. I mean, we did hire a few adults, you know, who knew things like finance and accounting. But because we were at the forefront of a revolution, you know, this idea of, OK, how do you manage these people? How do you price this stuff? You know, we and we decided we'd sell all over the world. So I have to build a team in Japan and Europe and deal with all the languages. I have to say it was super fun. And because we were right, these computers got so popular. Uh, you know, we made enough money. We just kept hiring more and more people and eventually built Windows and and Office,

• 13:43Speaker 03

  you know, which had Excel spreadsheet and Microsoft Word. I remember all that. Yeah. So by the late 90s, uh, we are doing well. Uh, and it's it's kind of a a standard way that people use personal computers.

• 13:59Will Arnett?

  But but sorry, Sean, if I just just on that last little bit of the code stuff and with and you you touched on that so that Apple products came with with your software built in. And then you guys split and it became kind of like the, um, and forgive me for this comparison. It became like the VHS Betamax. It was either or it was like you either did this or you did that. Was there ever a discussion between you and Steve Jobs about, hey, let's continue in this partnership using yours, our, et cetera, et cetera? Did you guys or was there a was there a moment that you split?

• 14:36Speaker 03

  Um, because we're always pure software. Uh, the only competition is that they Apple does its own operating system, which competes with Windows. But we write software on the Macintosh. In fact, we had as many people as Steve Jobs did when he's doing the Macintosh because we do our word processor, we do our spreadsheet. Uh, and it was amazing because, you know, Steve did the Mac. Uh, that was wonderful. Then he leaves Apple. Apple's being very mismanaged.

• 15:09Speaker 03

  When he comes back, I reach a deal with him where we actually invest in Apple and commit to do our software. And then he runs that company so well that going from the verge of failure, it actually becomes the most valuable company in the world, even slightly more valuable than than Microsoft.

• 15:27Sean Hayes?

  That's amazing.

• 15:28Speaker 03

  So we ended up working together. And then in the last few years, when he was sick, we got to reflect on our lives and talk to each other quite a bit. We were kind of competitors. I mean, he would criticize Windows pretty brutally, but that's okay.

• 15:45Speaker 03

  But his skill set, which was kind of design and user interface, he was not an engineer. And so our, you know, my skill is very much as an engineer. So we appreciated each other.

• 16:00Sean Hayes?

  Was there a lot of competition, though? Like, there had to be. When you're sitting in your garage, or wherever you were with Paul, thinking, you know, designing this and coming up with this and all that stuff. Back then, you didn't have the... People didn't know what you were doing, right? Everybody knows what everybody's doing now. And so you didn't, you had this kind of secrecy so you could protect yourself. But as it got, as it grew and became the thing that it became, how do you protect yourself? And how did you protect yourself from competitors? And was Apple the only competitor?

• 16:34Speaker 03

  Because Microsoft wasn't about any one piece of software, not just Windows, not just Office. We were doing, you know, Xbox, which had games. We thought of ourselves as a software factory. And we wanted to be faster than anyone else and have lower-priced software than anyone else. And so the other people doing software found it pretty intimidating that we moved at that speed. And that's why when Steve does the Macintosh, he comes to us and say, hey, are you willing to bet on this? Uh, you know, can can we work on this together? It it it got quite competitive. You know, eventually other great companies like Google come along,

• 17:18Speaker 03

  and they're also very good at hiring smart people. Uh, and there's been room. You know, if you think of what are the the most valuable companies in the world today? It's all these companies that ushered in this digital revolution.

• 17:32Sean Hayes?

  Right, I was, yeah, I was gonna say, because all now you have, instead of a Google, uh, Microsoft and and Apple, you have 200 AI companies now. Because people see the future much, much more quickly now than they did then.

• 17:47Will Arnett?

  Sean, Sean, and tell Mr. Gates, you're an Ask Jeeves guy, right? Like, that's been your whole.

• 17:52Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, and Ask Jeeves.

• 17:54Jason Bateman?

  Mr. Gates, uh, do you remember having conversations with with Paul or Steve or or or any of your your contemporaries at the time? Do you remember sitting there, having conversations with them and allow yourself the the imagination for what the future could bring? And were there any things that were worrisome or exciting like you hear about the conversations that are happening now regarding AI? Where we're kind of on the doorstep of another big move? Do you remember having those concerns back then? Um, were there any?

• 18:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, so the the digital revolution with PCs and Internet, we thought of as very empowering. And so you could say we were kind of naive in thinking this was all good. In fact, when we worried, we were worried about what we called the digital divide, that having access was so valuable that we should make sure that schools in the inner city and poor countries had the Internet and the the PC. It's only when social networking comes along that this kind of, oh, isn't it always for the good to give people new capabilities? We realized, wow, you know, the social criticism, the waste of time, that in some ways.

• 19:14Speaker 03

  We were playing to human weaknesses that you seek out outrage and that kind of can drive people apart.

• 19:21Will Arnett?

  Yeah.

• 19:21Speaker 03

  And now, you know, that we've seen that those advances aren't always good. Now with AI, which is far more powerful than social network, we're going, wow, how do we shape this thing to get the good, which is definitely there, but avoid the bad stuff? And it's a little bit scary right now.

• 19:41Will Arnett?

  Well, a little bit of trying to put the genie back in the bottle, A, unfortunately, with, with the social networks and, and, and also just with phones in general and their impacts. You know, as a father of, of three, three boys under the age of 16 and younger, I would ask you, and I know your kids are a little bit older, and, and I, look, I, I don't like answering hypothetical questions myself, but I'm going to ask you a hypothetical, which is, and, and feel free to not answer it. If your kids, if your kids were teenagers again, if they were adolescents, if they were 11, 12, 13, 14, would you let them have access to social media?

• 20:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, my youngest, I stopped her from having a cellphone until she was 14, and she was quite upset because the other kids had access. It works a lot better if groups of parents or even the school come in and saying, hey, during the school day, this is pretty distracting. And Australia's now trying to pass a set of rules. You know, there's a book by Jonathan Haidt called The Anxious Generation.

• 20:48Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, we talked about it.

• 20:49Will Arnett?

  I've read it.

• 20:49Speaker 03

  Okay, good, good. You know, and his point that we're kind of overprotecting kids in the real world and underprotecting them in the digital world, I think he's, he's got a super good point there and we, we've got to step up on that.

• 21:04Will Arnett?

  I, I took his advice and I said to my boys, to my teenage boys, I said, I will, I will give you a lot of freedoms in the real world that are commensurate with your reduction in, in your time in, in the digital world, and I will give you much more leeway to do stuff and spend time in real time and give you a later curfew on the weekend, you know, sort of 11:30, if you will, or whatever that is, if you guys, if I see a market reduction in your time online. But, but. What I dream about, this is what I'm getting to. What I dream of is six months of no social media on this planet. And what would that do in a sort of a social, in a reset? Imagine a world where we didn't have that.

• 21:47Will Arnett?

  I, I personally think that we would be in a much better place.

• 21:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's, when you see how polarized we are and that, you know, even I, if there's some article criticizing somebody I don't like, I'm like, oh, yeah, I want to be outraged against the, the people I think have shortcomings. And so, you know, you want an algorithm that brings us together. And, you know, maybe a moratorium would, would help us get there.

• 22:18Will Arnett?

  Yeah.

• 22:20Sean Hayes?

  And we will be right back.

• 22:24Sean Hayes?

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• 25:40Jason Bateman?

  And now, back to the show.

• 25:43Will Arnett?

  My, you know, as a kid who grew up in the 70s, as a Gen Xer, you know, your rise and your significance in the world coincided with sort of my teenage years and understanding that kind of thing. And it felt like the first time that we had things like the, you know, the Fortune List, or the Forbes, or the richest people in the world. And your name was in and out of the top of that for many, many years. And I can't imagine just how absurd that must be on a certain level. Did you have those moments of like, not even pinch me, but of like, is this me? It feels almost abstract, how bizarre. Did you have that at all?

• 26:26Jason Bateman?

  Or just leave me alone?

• 26:28Speaker 03

  Well, it's definitely wild. You know, at a young age, you know, I was in my 30s when I become the richest person. And my parents, fortunately, you know, their values helped anchor me. And they were always saying, okay, you know, to whom much is given, much is expected. You know, so I did start in my 40s to really study philanthropy, you know, Rockefeller, Carnegie, what had they done? And try and figure out, you know, could I be as careful about giving it back? And then in my 50s, I retired from Microsoft

• 27:12Speaker 03

  and moved over to do foundation work full time. But yes, it's bizarre. Having close friends who really know you, who can laugh about your success, I think, you know, does help keep you grounded.

• 27:26Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, that transition to philanthropy, I'm sure there are many parts of it that are even more complicated than.

• 27:35Jason Bateman?

  Than your your life beforehand. The many, many challenges. Can you can you speak about those? I'm sure there's a lot of it that is much more enjoyable, too. Probably most of it. How's that? How is that feeling, that transition?

• 27:50Speaker 03

  Well, I loved being an individual contributor in my 20s and then managing Microsoft in in my 30s, where, you know, you're just very hands on and you can say, my product is selling well, or this one is not. How do we fix that? And so it's a real switch. You know, we're not having that immediate market feedback to go and say, hey, why do children die? How many children die? Can we reduce that? And then I had to learn about poor countries and vaccines. But I have to say, it's been, you know, as fulfilling. You know, in the turn of the century, we have 10 million children dying every year. And because we got out new vaccines and worked with partners,

• 28:33Speaker 03

  that's now down below 5 million a year. And if we keep doing our work well, including governments caring about poor countries, we can cut that in half again to 2 and 1/2 million.

• 28:48Jason Bateman?

  Is it? Sorry, is there? Is there? Have you found a way to make it an attractive idea for countries to come on and partner with you that goes beyond just the obvious ethical and moral pull of it? Is there? Is there? Is there a GDP component that you can dangle in front of some of these more capitalistic minded countries that that get them to the table a little bit better?

• 29:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's a super good point is, you know, we, of course, the moral argument of the golden rule, you know, helping people everywhere is our strongest argument. But that alone isn't going to get us there. You know, we had some of the generals in the US Army saying, hey, if you don't help these countries out, then we'll have to go to war. And, you know, you'll have to increase our budget. So that the foreign aid budget, by creating stability, it avoids the awful war. And also, you know, if you lift people up economically, like Asia today, you know, buys a lot of American stuff, movies, drugs, jets, software, you know, you name it. So our mutual.

• 30:03Speaker 03

  Success, you know, has been amazing. You know, the two countries we defeat in World War II, we're generous enough to them that they become the second and third biggest economy. And we engage in mutually beneficial trade. You know, Japan shows us how to make quality products. And now we want to extend that, you know, and get, you know, Asia's doing well, India's getting rich. And eventually, they don't need aid if you help them out. And so you only have mostly countries in Africa that still, still really deserve this kind of support.

• 30:37Jason Bateman?

  Are you finding that you're having the same kind of messaging, language success as you try to encourage them to come along with environmental adjustments as well? That it's mutually beneficial from a business standpoint, et cetera?

• 30:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, so, you know, environmentally, a lot of these poor countries are very beautiful. And, you know, we all have to deal with, with climate change. Sadly, it's these African countries that didn't contribute to that problem at all. Because they're outdoor farmers near the equator. They're the ones that are suffering the most. The, the countries we need to really change their emissions are these middle income countries. So China, Brazil, now India. And they expect us to help them by inventing really inexpensive ways to go green. And so the biggest hope for the environmental stuff is innovation.

• 31:37Speaker 03

  If, if the green stuff is really expensive, even the rich countries are kind of saying, hey, don't make me buy an electric car if it costs more. Don't make me buy an electric heat pump. And, and so, you know, it's going to have to be all of us saying, we're in this together, it's one planet. But also a lot of innovation, because nobody can agree, if it's expensive, who should pay for it?

• 32:01Jason Bateman?

  Right, a friend of mine, who's, who's sort of a friend of ours, friend of the show, Willie, our buddy. He mentioned that there, with, with this, with this, this big round of...

• 32:13Jason Bateman?

  Deregulation that supposedly is on its way. That there may be a good spin to it in that the amount of innovation that is needed to really make a big move in in environment. A part of that, it's necessary for private to to be spending money there as well as just federal money. And so by deregulating, you give those companies more money to spend in R and D for these environmental things. Is that just spin for for the for the the business sector?

• 32:43Will Arnett?

  And I'll let you guess what business he's in. He's a great guy.

• 32:48Jason Bateman?

  What do we think about that? Is that is that is that spin? Or is there some validity to that?

• 32:53Speaker 03

  No, there's definitely some validity. For example, if you want to build a an electricity transmission line, you often have to go through almost a decade of approvals. And of course, that line, if anybody blocks it, then it doesn't work at all. And so we need to have more collective action as we try and change, you know, move away from coal, electricity to other things, which is sun and wind and nuclear and a variety of things.

• 33:22Jason Bateman?

  Yeah.

• 33:23Speaker 03

  We don't want to get rid of all the regulations because part of the reason the US is so beautiful, we preserve lands, we cleaned up our waters better than any other country. But it is absolutely fair to say that many of these environmental reviews are delaying projects that we need in order to solve climate change.

• 33:44Jason Bateman?

  Gotcha. So government could get out of the way a little bit because we got to work fast, right? But but not completely?

• 33:51Speaker 03

  Yes. So we're gonna have to strike that balance.

• 33:54Will Arnett?

  Well, it's so hard not to be cynical when you have things like, and you were just touching on the idea, Jason, it was part of it in your question, which is this, that, yeah, of course, there is, you know, the what you called the ethical or moral pull, but it always comes down to economics, right? It's always sadly, it's the driver of everything. It's like it's like when the government went to war on the cigarette companies. It wasn't because they wanted us to stop smoking. It's because they didn't want to pay for people who were sick, unfortunately.

• 34:18Jason Bateman?

  It's got to be a win win.

• 34:19Will Arnett?

  Ultimately, otherwise, they wouldn't, they couldn't care less. And I think that there is a society. societal issue in America. Mr. Gates, I haven't revealed this to you yet. I'm Canadian by birth. So, and I'm sorry to drop it on you like that.

• 34:32Sean Hayes?

  We had a reveal party.

• 34:33Will Arnett?

  But, but, you know, I think that there is a societal, there are some societal issues. And I, and I am American as well, and I've lived here for a number of years and I, and I love this country. I truly, truly do. And, and my children are all American. It's, it's an incredible experience. And, uh, but I do think that there are some issues societally in this country that I've, that come up. Uh, that have to do with, that, that unfortunately, and I know that, look, I'm not naive. But unfortunately, a lot of things in this country are driven by people wanting to, what's theirs? And there isn't this idea that we're only as strong as our weakest link. It just, and if any, and if anything, it keeps getting reinforced in different ways in, in elections, et cetera.

• 35:16Will Arnett?

  In the way that you look at, uh, California should have buried power lines. There's no question about it. But nobody wants to pay for that kind of thing. And so there are all sorts of things like that and they, and people just won't do it. And I don't know how we can change minds in this country, but it, it is strange. And people will vote, uh, against their self-interest in this country in ways that are staggering. Uh, and, and I, I'm, I'm giving you all these big picture things because I, I imagine, Mr. Gates, these are the kinds of things that you think about because you're dealing in macro. Am I right with that?

• 35:51Speaker 03

  No, absolutely. The, you know, I, when I think about the health system or

• 35:56Will Arnett?

  Yeah.

• 35:56Speaker 03

  Uh, climate, you know, we've got to solve these problems. Uh, you know, we saw that when we weren't ready for the pandemic, uh, millions of people died who, who shouldn't have died.

• 36:08Sean Hayes?

  Yeah.

• 36:09Jason Bateman?

  Go ahead, Sean.

• 36:10Sean Hayes?

  I was just saying, I love, I love all the, talking about medicine, I love all the medical things you're doing. Do I call you Bill? Do I call you Mr. Gates?

• 36:17Speaker 03

  Sure, Bill's fantastic.

• 36:18Sean Hayes?

  Okay, William.

• 36:19Jason Bateman?

  It's a great name, Bill. I do think you should keep it.

• 36:22Will Arnett?

  It is a great name.

• 36:23Sean Hayes?

  Thinking about.

• 36:24Will Arnett?

  It is a great.

• 36:24Sean Hayes?

  Trey, we can call you Trey?

• 36:26Jason Bateman?

  Trey.

• 36:27Speaker 03

  That was my nickname.

• 36:28Sean Hayes?

  Yeah.

• 36:28Speaker 03

  My family still calls me that because my dad was Bill.

• 36:31Sean Hayes?

  Wait, why? Where'd you get Trey?

• 36:33Will Arnett?

  The third, the third.

• 36:34Sean Hayes?

  Cause he's the third.

• 36:34Will Arnett?

  Trey is the third.

• 36:36Sean Hayes?

  Oh.

• 36:36Speaker 03

  Hey Trey.

• 36:37Sean Hayes?

  So hey Trey, I love all the medical things you're involved with. And so what's your favorite one you're working on? And how has all being around all the innovation of this medical world that you're involved with changed the way you live your life? Whether that's food, you know, diet, or whatever it is that we don't know about?

• 36:58Speaker 03

  We're learning a lot, you know? We've learned that sleep is very important. On nutrition, you know, we're still kind of confused about, other than eating too many calories, what counts? You know, the work of our foundation is very focused on the diseases that are still huge in poor countries. So HIV, malaria. You know, we literally still have polio out there, even though we got rid of it in the US and kids aren't dying and being paralyzed. But we're down to just a few countries. And so the only disease we've ever gotten rid of is smallpox. And now polio is very close to being the second on that list. So I put a lot of effort into that.

• 37:43Speaker 03

  With HIV, you've got a million Americans living with it, 40 million worldwide. We'd like to make it so we can actually cure it, rather than you having to take medicine the rest of your life.

• 37:55Sean Hayes?

  Yeah.

• 37:56Speaker 03

  And so we're making good progress on that.

• 38:00Sean Hayes?

  Is there any truth to the fact like, because I hear like they actually, you know, you hear these conspiracies that there actually is a cure for HIV, or there is a cure for all these things, but they suppress it because there's too much money in pharmaceuticals?

• 38:11Speaker 03

  No, I wish that was true, because then I would take the cure and, you know.

• 38:16Will Arnett?

  Give it to everybody.

• 38:17Sean Hayes?

  Right, exactly.

• 38:17Will Arnett?

  Do you know about this? Gosh, now it just occurred to me now that you're here. I'm gonna call you Bill as well, if that's okay.

• 38:25Speaker 03

  Good.

• 38:26Will Arnett?

  Bill, I know, because I've been reading online, and a lot of people from their basement say that you're putting chips in our brain, which is amazing. I love when people, when I hear that, and I always, my answer to that is always, "To what end?"

• 38:41Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, I know.

• 38:41Will Arnett?

  Like, why do you?

• 38:43Jason Bateman?

  Why does he want it inside my head?

• 38:45Will Arnett?

  Anytime I hear somebody say "the government", I'm like, "All right, we're done." Right? But I, do you, do you hear any of that? Does it make its way to you? Do you laugh about it sometimes? Does it alarm you when you hear these people saying, "Bill Gates is trying to put a chip into everybody's brain"?

• 39:03Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, I've had people come up to me on the street and yell at me that, you know, why am I tracking them?

• 39:10Will Arnett?

  But why are you?

• 39:12Speaker 03

  What am I gonna do with that information?

• 39:16Speaker 03

  You know, so you do have to laugh about it, but it's also at the same time tragic that millions who would have been saved by the COVID vaccine stayed away from it because of all the online misinformation that they were faced with. And, you know, whenever you get a pandemic saying, oh, there must be some evil genius behind this, that's not very adaptive. You know, and we're not really ready for the next pandemic, which will come, hard to say when it's gonna come. But, you know, I thought that would make vaccines more popular. And so there's some work to be done here.

• 39:56Jason Bateman?

  So Bill, with all the AI stuff that's being talked about, and I'm sure if you're like me, you get a little kind of tune out a bit because there's so much of it. Is there, well, I'm sure there's many parts. What's your, what's the most promising use of AI that you can see coming soon? I'm sure it's gonna fix a lot of things, but is there something that might be on the doorstep that you can talk about?

• 40:28Speaker 03

  Well, I'd say the most promising work is health and education. Even today, if you get like a set of blood tests back or an MRI test back, you know, you get a confusing medical bill, you really should stick it in the AI and say, explain this to me like a sixth grader, because it is so good at doing that.

• 40:51Jason Bateman?

  God, I'd use it all the time.

• 40:53Speaker 03

  Helping you, helping people with medical things. And then in education, having a personal tutor that gets what you're confused about the level that you're at and knows how to encourage you, you know, whether it's in math or writing papers and, you know, this, it's early days and it's being rolled out. And this will not only be profound for the United States, but... In Africa, you know, we have fewer teachers and doctors than anywhere in the world. And so a chance for us to give them, you know, access to the kind of health that we take for granted.

• 41:30Jason Bateman?

  Right.

• 41:31Speaker 03

  AI, in those two domains, we should push forward, you know, get the accuracy up and, and, you know, really surprise people by improving the health system a lot.

• 41:43Jason Bateman?

  And this, this question is coming from a person who has no idea how research and development happens in, in the, in the, in medical science. But I, I, I think that you, you get an idea, then you got to run it through a modeling thing and you got to test it all out and, but, am I right in assuming that AI can make this much, much faster such that we can track down maybe what the right equation is to fix cancer or any other of these incredibly damaging things? That maybe that the process of elimination can happen much faster where we can reasonably expect to have some cures for some of these uncurable things perhaps in our lifetime?

• 42:24Speaker 03

  Absolutely. And, you know, medicine has made a lot of progress. I mean, heart disease is way down, you know, cancer, we have a lot of things in the pipeline. But AI is going to accelerate all of that.

• 42:34Jason Bateman?

  Great.

• 42:35Speaker 03

  Uh, you know, I, I, I work in Alzheimer's and there's some great tools coming along because nobody should want to have that. And even, you know, with HIV, this idea of the cure, uh, the fact we can get it out maybe, uh, in four years instead of eight, uh, we'll use AI to, to help accelerate that.

• 42:56Jason Bateman?

  Wow.

• 42:59Sean Hayes?

  We'll be right back.

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• 45:26Sean Hayes?

  And back to the show.

• 45:29Sean Hayes?

  Your mom was really influential with you for planting this early seed of philanthropy and giving back and using what you're given in a...

• 45:43Jason Bateman?

  In the right way, is that, is that correct? Do you want to speak about that at all?

• 45:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, absolutely. I mean, when you see your parents behave, that's more influential than what your parents say.

• 45:55Jason Bateman?

  Right.

• 45:56Speaker 03

  And so they, you know, volunteered in the community. They, they gave what they could. And then, as my mom saw-

• 46:02Jason Bateman?

  She was big in the United, in United Way, yes?

• 46:04Speaker 03

  Exactly. She put a lot of her time in, into that, both in our, in our city, but also at the, the federal level. And-

• 46:16Jason Bateman?

  Wow.

• 46:17Speaker 03

  So she was always telling me, okay, you know, you've got to run a United Way campaign and get back. Sadly, she died pretty young, about 30 years ago. And it was my dad who actually, when I was still full-time at Microsoft, ran the foundation and got it going for the first 10 years and kind of set the culture in a very positive way. So he did get to see and participate in, you know, all those dictates that go back to my childhood.

• 46:48Jason Bateman?

  Are your, are your kids being as observational as you were and benefiting from it like you did?

• 46:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, well, kid, my kids, you know, are both lucky. Although being a child of somebody well-known, you know, I'm sure your kids experienced some of it. It's got a lot of pluses, but some minuses as well.

• 47:07Jason Bateman?

  But, but are they, are they, are they following your great example? I guess is my question.

• 47:12Speaker 03

  Well, you know, the, they're, I'm giving them, as a percentage of the wealth, a pretty small percentage.

• 47:19Jason Bateman?

  Yeah.

• 47:19Speaker 03

  I mean, in absolute, it's a lot. And I, I do believe that, you know, they'll have their own careers and they'll be very generous with what they're doing. But I didn't decide that we would take, you know, that wealth and pass it down. You know, 95% goes out through the foundation. And, and yet, you know, I'm super happy with how hard they work and their values. You know, my wife, Melinda, did a great job raising the kids and it's worked out well.

• 47:50Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, amazing. What about, I want to know like about that gut probe in a pill? Like you just eat a pill? Like describe that to me because I just read headlines about it. I didn't really know anything about it. What is that technology and what is it used for?

• 48:04Jason Bateman?

  Probe in a pill?

• 48:04Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, like you eat a pill and it probes your guts.

• 48:07Jason Bateman?

  Oh, boy.

• 48:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, so digestion is super complicated and that's why these nutritional fads come along. And the New Yorker cartoon said, "You better adopt this new nutritional fad quickly before they prove it doesn't work." And what happens is that in your gut, there's a lot of bacteria they call the microbiome. And we're just now, as you swallow this capsule and it absorbs all of those bacteria, we see what's going on. We finally understand what's going on. And so our foundation works on malnutrition. These big pharmaceutical companies like Eli Lilly work on overnutrition.

• 48:48Speaker 03

  And it turns out that we work together on the research because the same complex circuitry that allows poor kids to be malnourished. In the US, we have, you know, horrible levels of childhood obesity. And so as we're learning that, you know, new drugs like these GLP-1 obesity drugs that as they get cheaper are going to have a profound effect. You know, that's the type of innovation coming out. And yet, you know, we didn't understand that until very recently.

• 49:23Will Arnett?

  Well, but we had, and Sean's still mourning the, you know, the new ban on red dye number three because it's such a staple in his diet as you can probably tell.

• 49:33Jason Bateman?

  He can't identify the cherry and the strawberry flavored stuff.

• 49:36Will Arnett?

  His brain is basically liquefied. But I will say, you know, you talk about that in this, about obesity, childhood obesity. What is it? What is the difference in this country? Again, it sounds like I've been attacking this guy. I'm really not. I just, I'm curious about things like. About childhood obesity compared to other countries and the nutrition and things that are allowed. Like, you know, you've seen those things where they compare a product that is the same, but that's sold here and then sold in the UK. And the list of ingredients is like double in this country with additives and preservatives, et cetera, et cetera. I mean, is that a massive problem or no?

• 50:18Speaker 03

  Almost certainly not.

• 50:19Will Arnett?

  Oh, really?

• 50:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, our kids sit in front of the TV more than any other kids. So, lack of activity alone explains most of this.

• 50:30Will Arnett?

  Wow.

• 50:32Speaker 03

  And, you know, sadly, when your parents are obese, the likelihood that you'll be obese goes up pretty dramatically. And so, the US, in many respects, drug addiction, obesity, we're, you could say, as the world's richest country, all the problems of being rich are worse in the US than they are anywhere else.

• 50:56Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, for sure.

• 50:57Speaker 03

  We're also the most innovative, though, and, you know, that's why I'm not a pessimist at all. I do think-

• 51:04Will Arnett?

  Wait, so it's just apathy? Is that what it is?

• 51:08Speaker 03

  No, your TV shows are too entertaining.

• 51:11Sean Hayes?

  Exactly.

• 51:13Speaker 03

  It's all your fault.

• 51:14Will Arnett?

  Not mine. Not mine. What are you excited for? What are you excited for the next five years? Sorry, Sean.

• 51:21Sean Hayes?

  No, that's okay. I just had one question about another issue, but, yeah, sorry. Well, right before that, but I do want to get to that. I'm really passionate about this because of the fires that just happened, because of the constant droughts in California. And we talked to Kamala Harris about this like three, four years ago, when she was the senator in California. Is like, most of the earth is water. And so, when there's a shortage of water, I'm like, how can we not figure out how to desalinate water? And people say it's too expensive. Well, it's more expensive to not figure it out. And so, what are your thoughts about that? And do you have any kind of desire to be in that world?

• 51:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, so I'm very involved in that because, you know, we have to both do climate mitigation and climate adaptation, and adaptation is a part of that, it's dealing with water shortages and more difficult weather. It takes a certain amount of energy to desalinate water, and so only by bringing the cost of energy down with things like solar or perhaps nuclear fission or fusion, then you get more water availability. Eighty percent of water is used for agriculture, so you can afford to desalinate water for human consumption. You can't really afford to do it for agriculture, so you have to end up moving your farms to

• 52:41Speaker 03

  the places where there's enough water. You don't want to pay to desalinate just to grow.

• 52:47Sean Hayes?

  Unless you do, unless we figure out a way to do it.

• 52:51Will Arnett?

  Unless you do, but I would, and people like, you know, sadly, Jason Mayman, who, you know, obviously with his almond consumption has been destroying the planet. It's unbelievable the amount of water that goes to every one of your precious almonds that you just carelessly stuff in your mouth. But, Bill, what is, I was gonna ask you about what you're excited about the next five years. What are we gonna do about, about energy sources going forward? What can we do? Is there, have we reached peak oil? What are we gonna do with fossil fuels? Can we, can we keep it going in this direction? What do you think about that?

• 53:25Speaker 03

  Well, I'm very hopeful that between expanding wind and solar and getting both types of nuclear, nuclear fission and fusion, to get safer and cheaper, that even with all this demand for energy, like electric cars or electric heat pumps, AI data centers, that we'll be able to get ahead of that and still have cheap electricity, even though we'll get rid of all of the terrible CO2 emissions. So we are gonna have to transition away from coal and natural gas in the decades ahead.

• 54:00Will Arnett?

  I mean, that's, and that's gonna be a painful transition, I imagine.

• 54:04Speaker 03

  Not if we innovate the cost of these other things down. You know, electric cars.

• 54:11Speaker 03

  Are getting cheaper. Eventually, you do get to the point where the substitute is as cheap as the dirty thing was. And in the long run, that's what we need to do so that we get global adoption of green approaches.

• 54:25Will Arnett?

  Well, but educate me, if you would, to the extent that you know. You know, if you get an electric car and you get all these people who like, who get them and they're great, and then some people like to virtue signal with them and shame other people. But the components, so many of the components that go into the car are, you know, petroleum based, whether it's the actual components themselves, or traveling those cars to their destinations, or across oceans and stuff, right? You know about all this. So it's all, is there any way that we can mitigate all of those other things as well so that we're not relying on petroleum for everything?

• 55:01Speaker 03

  You know, absolutely. And we measure that. You know, anybody who buys an electric car, as you say, it's not zero emissions, but it is dramatically less than a gasoline car.

• 55:15Will Arnett?

  Right.

• 55:16Speaker 03

  And we're learning to make the batteries using less energy and less environmental things, like new ways of finding lithium. And so the accounting on, okay, you know, how do we have the most environmentally clean car? We're doing a very good job tracking that. And consumers who help create demand for electric vehicles, they deserve a certain, a little bit, a sense of virtue because they're, the more we buy, the more the price goes down and the more...

• 55:45Will Arnett?

  I agree. I was playing, obviously, but I do agree. I do agree.

• 55:50Jason Bateman?

  Bill, what's the rest of your day look like? What are your, is your average day...

• 55:55Will Arnett?

  He's firing the person who told him to do this.

• 55:58Jason Bateman?

  Is your average day split 50/50 between sort of personal pleasure, silly stuff, and also saving the world at the other half? Or I'll bet the ratio is not 50/50. But do you get a little time to be stupid doing something? If so, what is it?

• 56:13Speaker 03

  I do. I, you know, my twenties, I was monomaniacal in my work, but now, although I work, you know, 50 hours of work, we can travel a lot. I play a fair bit of tennis. I play a lot of pickleball. I love reading. I love, you know, TV shows that you guys have made. That's super fun.

• 56:35Jason Bateman?

  A little bit of golf?

• 56:37Speaker 03

  No, I'm not, I'm not doing much golf. I like tennis and pickleball because slightly better exercise.

• 56:43Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, sure, sure. Gotcha. What is the one thing that you know how to do that everyone will be kind of surprised about? Do you have like a little hobby, like are you a great like drawer?

• 56:54Sean Hayes?

  Do you cook?

• 56:55Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, like, are you a knitter?

• 57:00Jason Bateman?

  Is there anything that's a sort of a sneaky little talent that that that that people might be surprised about? Like, are you a great whistler, you know?

• 57:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 57:12Jason Bateman?

  That's pretty good.

• 57:13Speaker 03

  Nice.

• 57:14Jason Bateman?

  That qualifies.

• 57:15Will Arnett?

  On cue, on cue, not bad.

• 57:16Speaker 03

  I'm good at sleeping on planes.

• 57:19Jason Bateman?

  Oh, that's a great talent.

• 57:20Will Arnett?

  That is a great talent. Now, are you a, are you a savory or sweet person? Do you have a sweet tooth?

• 57:26Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, I try and not have too much peanut brittle around because I would eat anything that's around.

• 57:31Jason Bateman?

  Wow. Sugar, sugar's a bad deal for me.

• 57:34Speaker 03

  Very dangerous.

• 57:36Jason Bateman?

  Well, it's good that you're not too distracted with silly things because we need you there on the stick doing whatever you are doing and what you will continue to do, we hope. So, thank you so much for what you've done, what you're gonna do, and thank you for spending an hour with us.

• 57:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was fun. Thanks, you guys.

• 57:52Sean Hayes?

  Honored to meet you.

• 57:53Will Arnett?

  What an absolute thrill. Thank you so much for your time.

• 57:56Sean Hayes?

  So cool. Thanks, Bill.

• 57:56Jason Bateman?

  Thank you, Bill. Thank you. Enjoy the rest of your day.

• 57:59Speaker 03

  All right.

• 57:59Jason Bateman?

  Thank you, sir.

• 58:00Sean Hayes?

  See you, buddy.

• 58:00Will Arnett?

  Bye-bye.

• 58:01Jason Bateman?

  Bye, pal.

• 58:05Will Arnett?

  I felt like I was a real blowhard today. I'm sorry.

• 58:07Sean Hayes?

  You have a lot of opinions and they're good opinions.

• 58:10Jason Bateman?

  This is a talk show.

• 58:11Will Arnett?

  I felt very, I felt very blowhardy. I'm so sorry. I apologize.

• 58:14Jason Bateman?

  No, well, you know what? You get somebody like that on the show and you, you, you want to like, you want to talk about all the stuff that is complicated and.

• 58:20Will Arnett?

  Big stuff. I wanted to answer big questions, like big macro questions.

• 58:24Sean Hayes?

  I get that.

• 58:24Will Arnett?

  How can we save it? Is there any way that we can change opinion in the world?

• 58:28Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, yeah, right, right, right. It's almost like everybody's looking, to your point, Will, it's like everybody's looking for that guy who has all the answers.

• 58:35Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 58:35Sean Hayes?

  But, I mean, I wanted to ask him, like, people like that, do you have perspective about being one of the people that changed the fucking world?

• 58:44Jason Bateman?

  No, I know.

• 58:44Sean Hayes?

  Like, there's like 10, there's like 10 or 20. People like Einstein and him and like Steve Jobs.

• 58:50Will Arnett?

  He and I are like on a short list of people.

• 58:52Sean Hayes?

  Wait, wait, wait, back up, back up.

• 58:54Will Arnett?

  I agree. No, I'm saying what you're saying, dude.

• 58:57Jason Bateman?

  Well, the number of smiles that Will has created as opposed to computers.

• 59:00Will Arnett?

  He and I, yeah, dude, I'm making your point for you.

• 59:03Sean Hayes?

  Okay, thank you.

• 59:05Jason Bateman?

  He's got to like, talk about like, you know, you get to the end of your life and like, we've talked about it before, you know, did I use my years right? Like this guy, I mean, I'm sure some people have issues with him, like, like with everybody, but my goodness, the amount of effect he has set over this world.

• 59:21Sean Hayes?

  And he's still doing it.

• 59:22Will Arnett?

  I know, I know.

• 59:23Jason Bateman?

  The other thing that I'm, I'm, I'm excited about, you know, is his book. He's got this new book coming out that's, that's, you know, about like how this all started for him, how his brain started going and how he got.

• 59:35Sean Hayes?

  Was it a biography?

• 59:36Jason Bateman?

  Uh, yes, I believe so. Yeah, it's called Source Code. It comes out, uh, February. But yeah, hopefully there's an audio, audio portion of it, uh, that I can listen to.

• 59:46Will Arnett?

  Oh, no, JB, no.

• 59:49Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, I still don't get, it's, it's left to right, top to bottom, right?

• 59:52Will Arnett?

  You don't know what, you don't know what you're missing. I just had such a good read. I, I, oh God, you don't know, you guys, it would give you so many more references. You'd be so much more interesting. No wonder you're so bland. You have nothing in there.

• 1:00:04Sean Hayes?

  Did we stop recording or are we still rolling?

• 1:00:06Jason Bateman?

  No, we're still going.

• 1:00:07Will Arnett?

  This is part of the show.

• 1:00:08Jason Bateman?

  Source Code is the book. Go out and read it. Because all, all the profits are going to go to

• 1:00:16Will Arnett?

  Me?

• 1:00:16Jason Bateman?

  Not his pocket, something really good. I should know this, but, uh, it's all, it's all for charity. So.

• 1:00:21Sean Hayes?

  That's great, as, as most everything he does.

• 1:00:24Jason Bateman?

  Exactly.

• 1:00:24Sean Hayes?

  That's so cool.

• 1:00:25Jason Bateman?

  Source Code.

• 1:00:25Sean Hayes?

  I also love the, I also love the work that I wanted to get more into the, um.

• 1:00:29Will Arnett?

  Oh, here we go. Jesus Christ. You couldn't even fucking get.

• 1:00:34Sean Hayes?

  I wanted to get into the biotechnology, the biotechnology, the what?

• 1:00:37Jason Bateman?

  Why, why Sean?

• 1:00:37Will Arnett?

  Into the.

• 1:00:38Sean Hayes?

  Because the.

• 1:00:38Will Arnett?

  Biotechnology.

• 1:00:42Jason Bateman?

  Is exciting.

• 1:00:43Will Arnett?

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