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0:05 George Kamel? We love a little healthy conflict around here and today our listeners are leading the charge. So let's check the old voicemail box and settle your financial debates.
0:13 Speaker 01 Our dishwasher broke. We've got two healthy boys that can wash dishes, but my husband's like, "No, we need to pay the $250."
0:20 Speaker 02 Rachel definitely knows her stuff, so you're in good hands there.
0:24 George Kamel? Hey, would you ever want to co-host Smart Money Happy Hour with me?
0:27 Rachel Cruze? I am so creeped out.
0:35 Rachel Cruze? Hey guys, I'm Rachel Cruz.
0:37 George Kamel? I'm George Kamel.
0:38 Rachel Cruze? And this is
0:40 George Kamel? Smart Money Happy Hour.
0:47 Rachel Cruze? This is the show where two friends who happen to be money experts talk about what you're talking about. Everything from pop culture, current events, and money.
0:54 George Kamel? And before we get to the content you all showed up for, let's talk about what we're sipping on. It is the Army and Navy. One of my personal favorites. This is your first time in vibing?
1:04 Rachel Cruze? It is. I didn't even, I've never even heard of this cocktail, but it's delicious.
1:08 George Kamel? Really good. And we're going to give you our rating and reveal the cost per glass at the end of the episode, so stick around for that if you want the deets.
1:15 Rachel Cruze? The deets around it. You know, Army and Navy. It's a great name. It's kind of like, we're gonna-
1:19 George Kamel? Is there a debate there? I don't know. Is there beef?
1:21 Rachel Cruze? I don't know.
1:21 George Kamel? Do they have beef? The Army versus the Navy?
1:24 Rachel Cruze? I don't, I don't know. In my head, they're all the military. So I feel like they're all fighting-
1:28 George Kamel? Yeah, but you've got like air force.
1:30 Rachel Cruze? On the same side!
1:31 George Kamel? You've got water, land, and air.
1:33 Rachel Cruze? Yes, yes, correct.
1:34 George Kamel? So I think there's beef there.
1:36 Rachel Cruze? Do you think like healthy competition?
1:37 George Kamel? The water people think they're better than the land people.
1:40 Rachel Cruze? Do the land-
1:40 George Kamel? The air people think they're better than both, and the water and land people think the air people are not as cool.
1:46 Rachel Cruze? Okay, can I say this? Well, number one, let us know in the comments if you come from like a military background. This is real. We don't know. But just off the cuff-
1:51 George Kamel? I think it's friendly beef.
1:52 Rachel Cruze? Off the cuff, I'm gonna say water's probably the hardest. Could you imagine treading water or being in a submarine under the water? No, thank you. Like, that's hard.
2:01 George Kamel? Well, I already get seasick, so I imagine that's-
2:03 Rachel Cruze? And then high up is the next- Intense.
2:05 George Kamel? Oh, wow.
2:06 Rachel Cruze? Heights. You got planes and flying. And then lands. I don't know. We're all living on lands.
2:11 George Kamel? Rachel's like, I'm basically doing that.
2:14 Rachel Cruze? I would never be able to survive even one day in boot camp.
2:18 George Kamel? You can't pass the presidential fitness test, let alone make it into the military.
2:23 Rachel Cruze? On any. Pass like what? Or, I don't know. It's, yeah. But anyways, well.
2:28 George Kamel? God bless all who serve.
2:29 Rachel Cruze? The drink is good. The drink is good.
2:31 George Kamel? That's right.
2:32 Rachel Cruze? We'll say that much.
2:32 George Kamel? All right. So sometimes people are shocked by how comfortable Ramsey is with conflict. Whether it's Rachel and Dave disagreeing about something on the Ramsey Show, or maybe giving tough love to a caller with a money problem.
2:44 Rachel Cruze? Yes, I know. We kind of like the conflict and we like the debate. And those are some of the best calls. We don't get them a lot on the Ramsey Show, but every now and then, we'll get two people that call in about an issue. We get to settle the debate and we love it. So we actually reached out on our social media and asked you guys and gave them the phone number and said, hey, call this number. And if both parties will participate, leave a voicemail about a situation that you guys cannot solve. And George and I, Land, Water and Sky, will definitely break the tie. Uh, let's get to it, George. Just listen to these voicemails.
3:18 George Kamel? Let me get my little headphone in here.
3:20 Rachel Cruze? Yeah, the voicemails are fun. We love hearing from you all. Um, and we'll post the number here, right here.
3:25 George Kamel? Oh, look at that. If you want to call.
3:27 Rachel Cruze? Yeah.
3:27 George Kamel? Leave us a voicemail. Make it kind.
3:29 Rachel Cruze? Because we sometimes will do episodes around people's questions and all of it.
3:32 George Kamel? And your comments. Even your comments. All right, fire it up.
3:36 Rachel Cruze? All right, let's hear the first one.
3:38 Speaker 04 Hey, this is Nathan and Abigail. We have four kids. And we are on baby step number four with no margin in our budget. Back in March, our minivan broke down and my grandparents generously gifted us a 2004 Yukon that's in just fantastic condition. And I don't see any reason why we should get rid of it.
3:57 Speaker 01 Nathan, however, is not the one that has to climb over seats to help buckle and unbuckle small kids and go grocery shopping in a vehicle with no trunk. So I would love to sell it and use that money to, to receive the benefits of a, of a minivan in our family or another car that would better suit the needs of our family.
4:20 Speaker 04 Thanks.
4:21 Rachel Cruze? Oh, man. I have my knee jerk opinion.
4:25 George Kamel? Wow, I love when she swooped. This is what I always wish on the Ramsey show is that the other person swoops in to go, "Well, what he's not telling you is..."
4:32 Rachel Cruze? Yeah, oh, I know, I know.
4:33 George Kamel? Really colors the story.
4:34 Rachel Cruze? It does.
4:35 George Kamel? Fills in some gaps.
4:35 Rachel Cruze? Gives you both sides of it.
4:37 George Kamel? But what worried me is they said they're in baby step four, which means they have no consumer debt, they have a fully funded emergency fund, and yet they said they had no margin. So there's no money left over. I assume they're investing 15% of their income.
4:48 Rachel Cruze? I would think so, yeah.
4:49 George Kamel? But beyond that, there is zero dollars to throw at a new car fund.
4:52 Rachel Cruze? Right. But she said they can sell the current car and just use that money to get another one.
4:58 George Kamel? But would a 2004 Yukon sell for enough money to then buy a better car?
5:04 Rachel Cruze? Well, I don't know. A 2004 Yukon could be the same as a 2004 van. I think Yukons probably hold even better value than vans do.
5:11 George Kamel? Oh, so, yeah. But is she really gonna go out and buy a 2004 van?
5:16 Rachel Cruze? Well, I don't know. We're not talking to her, George, are we?
5:19 George Kamel? Okay, here's, can I defend the man, you defend the woman? How about that?
5:22 Rachel Cruze? Okay.
5:24 George Kamel? My worry is that she gets starry eyed with this new car purchase and gets a car that is out of the budget that might take a long time to save up for in cash, because they have no margin, or she goes, "Well, we can afford the payment," and they take out a car loan. I hope they would never do that.
5:40 Rachel Cruze? Yeah, that's a lot of assumptions, considering they're like, I mean, they're talking about their baby steps. And rarely I'll say people go back in baby steps. If they do, it ends up in credit cards, but most people don't go back into a car loan, from what we hear.
5:55 George Kamel? I would hope.
5:56 Rachel Cruze? So...
5:56 George Kamel? Four kids.
5:57 Rachel Cruze? I'm gonna say she's not gonna get a car loan.
5:59 George Kamel? Good.
6:00 Rachel Cruze? And four kids is a lot. That's a lot. So, um, yeah, the way she made it sound in the voicemail was that they could sell that car, use the proceeds, and go and get a different car. But I'm wondering if he feels bad because it was the grandmother's gift to them.
6:18 George Kamel? Oh.
6:19 Rachel Cruze? And all the things, you know?
6:20 George Kamel? Some guilt there about offloading that car?
6:23 Rachel Cruze? Uh huh.
6:25 Rachel Cruze? But I'm gonna be with her on this one.
6:26 George Kamel? I'm splitting the difference. I'm saying, let's keep the car for now until we can save up. Let's get a real picture of what we could sell this for.
6:32 Rachel Cruze? Yeah.
6:32 George Kamel? Get a real picture of the car we want, and then save up the gap.
6:35 Rachel Cruze? Yeah.
6:36 George Kamel? And do that aggressively for maybe six months, then we sell the Yukon.
6:39 Rachel Cruze? That's fair.
6:40 George Kamel? And get the car.
6:40 Rachel Cruze? I would want a date out there to say, for sure, this is happening.
6:43 George Kamel? Some facts around it versus just feelings of should we or shouldn't we, instead is, we will, and here's when and how.
6:48 Rachel Cruze? Yes, I think that's good. Alright.
6:50 George Kamel? I feel like we helped at least one person. Let us know in the comments what you're actually gonna do.
6:55 Rachel Cruze? That's so good. Okay, uh, voicemail number two.
6:57 George Kamel? We're crushing it so far.
6:59 Speaker 05 I have a friend that is trying to argue that he can turn his sports betting profits into a full-time job, and that he doesn't want to get back to work. I have told him that at least get a full-time job for the benefits and sports bet on the side. He and I can't come to an agreement because he thinks that as long as he's making a profit, he can afford to pay for all of his expenses and his insurance, and to have a bankroll to continue betting like he is.
7:28 Rachel Cruze? Well, that's a, that's a tough one, especially when you see a friend, you know?
7:32 George Kamel? Because he sees the friend's future of, hey, this is not gonna work out like this. It's like saying, I'm gonna gamble professionally in Vegas and not work anymore.
7:40 Rachel Cruze? Right, and that's gonna be my job, yeah.
7:42 George Kamel? That might work for a short time while you're up, but eventually, what goes up must come down.
7:48 Rachel Cruze? That's right. And the other hard thing is change, trying to change someone else's mind about something that their mind's already made up about, and that they're not asking your advice, it's always really difficult. So, it does suck to be the person on one end of the spectrum where you're seeing disaster in front of you, and you're like, please don't do that. But you're, I mean, you can't control them, right? And so, the convincing side, I would put like the bar really low for that, because usually, that doesn't work. You can speak your mind maybe once if you feel like the need of like, I have to just get this off my chest, because I love him, and I don't want him to go down this terrible path. But yet, again, there's just not a lot of hope of changing people. And it sounds so Debbie Downer, but...
8:30 George Kamel? Well, it sounds harsh, but people who have this mindset, there tends to be- Be some greed here where they go or and some pride of I'm smarter than I can make more money. And what happens is eventually they're going to hit some sort of rock bottom where they're going to lose a lot of money and feel the pain. And unfortunately, sometimes that's what it takes for them to go. Okay, I got burned. Touch that hot stove. Let me go work a full time job and do this on the side or maybe quit altogether. If it becomes an issue.
8:58 Rachel Cruze? Totally. Yeah. Yeah. The sports betting too. I'm like. I don't know. There's something about that that we just see so many people go. Down the bad road of that so quickly with like addiction and all of it because it's everywhere. And it's so easy to get in over your head and thinking the only way I can get out is I gotta do it more. I gotta like. Keep betting to get my money back. Right. And you just end up deeper and deeper in the hole.
9:19 George Kamel? And it's easy to justify when you're like, well, this is basically a job. I'm like, no, it's not. If you just have a FanDuel app, that's not a career. So, uh, yeah, I would try to give him some stats, some information, but again, until it actually applies to him.
9:33 Rachel Cruze? Yeah.
9:34 George Kamel? I don't know that he's going to do anything. And you mentioned this earlier, which is important. The relationship, that context matters a lot. If this was a spouse, you have a different level of. Impact and influence on their life.
9:45 Rachel Cruze? A hundred percent.
9:46 George Kamel? When it's just a friend.
9:47 Rachel Cruze? To a degree, right?
9:47 George Kamel? Yeah. Rachel cares less about my opinion than Winston Cruz, her husband, as it should be.
9:52 Rachel Cruze? True.
9:52 George Kamel? I wish she cared about my opinion more.
9:54 Rachel Cruze? I don't really care about his opinion. I'm just kidding.
9:56 George Kamel? But again, I'm at a different level of influence than your husband. And so I think because of that friend level. He's going to have a hard time getting through to him.
10:04 Rachel Cruze? I know. Man.
10:05 George Kamel? But good luck. Let us know how it goes. I think eventually he'll be applying for a full time job. Not because of the benefits, but because sports betting is not going to pay the bills consistently forever.
10:16 Rachel Cruze? Right. There's something to be said about going and doing something and getting compensated for it versus just like, I'm going to just. Guess over here. You know what I mean?
10:24 George Kamel? And these companies are too smart. They, it's like trying to be like, I'm going to win over the credit card company. I'm going to finesse the system. Eventually they will beat you at the game.
10:32 Rachel Cruze? Yes. So stay away. Stay away.
10:34 George Kamel? No, thank you.
10:35 Rachel Cruze? What a good friend. George, you know, you said, "I don't care about your opinion," but I do, George. You have a great opinion about different things. And one of the areas that I totally agree with you on in your opinion is what you think about Fairwinds.
10:48 George Kamel? Fairwinds Credit Union, we can all agree. No battling, no debating here. It's a great option for checking in savings.
10:55 Rachel Cruze? That's right, yeah. So when you're working the Ramsey Plan, to have a bank that's working against you is not worth it. So having someone on your team during this is the best thing you can do. And Fairwinds Credit Union is on your team. They love Ramsey, we love them. And they're such a great partnership. Because in the financial industry, George, finding allies, it's hard. And so Fairwinds, they make it happen.
11:16 George Kamel? They actually want to help you get out of debt, not get further into it. They're all about helping our fans get that freedom with their money. And you're not just a number. Because they're a credit union, they're owned by the members, not by Wall Street and some conglomerate. So I love that about them. It's not about fighting the system, it's about freeing yourself from it. And your bank, you have an option when it comes to that. You can opt out of a very corrupt system. So join a credit union that puts people over profits. Go check them out at fairwins.org/Ramsey today. Or you can always click the link in the description below.
11:47 Rachel Cruze? So great. All right, let's go to our third voicemail, George, shall we?
11:53 Speaker 01 Hi, George and Rachel. This is Joy and Sam from New Zealand. So we're in baby step six. And I just really want to spend every extra bit of money to go on our mortgage, to pay off our mortgage and just smash it out. But our dishwasher broke recently. It was coming up with an if-one era, which we couldn't figure out how to fix. And so I was like, well, we've got two healthy boys that can wash dishes. And I'm happy to pay them a dollar each to wash dishes. But my husband's like, "No, we need to pay the $250 to get the man to come and fix the washing machine." Sorry, the dishwasher. And I'm just like, "No, they can wash the dishes for a dollar each. I just want to spend the money that I'm making on paying off the mortgage. What do you think?"
12:37 Speaker 01 My husband's here too. What do you think, Sam? No, spend the money on the mortgage. Thanks guys. Love your show.
12:48 Rachel Cruze? Oh, I love we got a New Zealand listener.
12:51 George Kamel? I love a good accent.
12:53 Rachel Cruze? I know. Okay. Was her husband named Sam?
12:56 George Kamel? I don't recall. I was too enamored by the accent to learn the names.
13:00 Rachel Cruze? I'm on the husband's team.
13:02 George Kamel? You're on team husband, fix the dishwasher. Two hundred fifty bucks, get it done.
13:06 Rachel Cruze? A hundred percent. Yes.
13:08 George Kamel? It was two fifty, right?
13:09 Rachel Cruze? There's a, yeah, I think so. That's what she said. Dishwashers, washing machines, these are all luxuries, people. Like, this is a good thing to have in your life. A microwave.
13:17 George Kamel? How long are we gonna do this for?
13:18 Rachel Cruze? But, I don't know. Yeah.
13:21 George Kamel? Until the mortgage is paid off, we're gonna have the kids wash the dishes?
13:24 Rachel Cruze? And if the boys go to school, then you're the one having to wash. No, get a dishwasher. Fix it. You're on baby step six. This is where a little bit of that, like, you can do things with your life with money, right? We just say, put some extra at the house. We're not like, you have to do it all. Because she's very much like gazelle intense, like hardcore in baby step six, which if both the spouses are, and that's or one person that's doing it on their own, that's what they choose to do, that's great. Like, but that's not what we recommend. We always say, give yourself some breathing room, enjoy it, you know, fix the dishwasher.
13:55 George Kamel? Yeah, if this was baby step two, and it was like, this is really gonna set them back, and it was a huge expensive repair, and they can handle washing dishes by hand right now, I'd say, okay, that's fine. Baby step six, you need a home maintenance and repair fund in your every dollar budget. And so that would help you let go and say, hey, we know things are gonna happen to the house while we try to pay it off. So let's set money aside to do that. I would cash flow it this month. And do the math. How much is this actually gonna delay our mortgage payoff? You're gonna find it's by a week.
14:25 Rachel Cruze? If that, two hundred and fifty dollars?
14:27 George Kamel? Yeah. So just spitballing. It's not a long time. It's not like this is gonna delay you six months.
14:31 Rachel Cruze? No, no.
14:32 George Kamel? It's not a five thousand dollar new HVAC.
14:34 Rachel Cruze? Right.
14:35 George Kamel? It's a two hundred and fifty dollar dishwasher repair.
14:37 Rachel Cruze? Yep.
14:37 George Kamel? And clearly, it's taking a toll on the husband and maybe the kids. I don't know.
14:42 Rachel Cruze? Yeah, these boys.
14:42 George Kamel? Child labor for a dollar?
14:44 Rachel Cruze? But I will say, opposite of that, having them do chores and paying for them, fantastic. That's great. But also have the convenience, if you can, and they can.
14:53 George Kamel? Yep.
14:53 Rachel Cruze? They can do that.
14:54 George Kamel? All right.
14:55 Rachel Cruze? All right.
14:55 George Kamel? We won.
14:56 Rachel Cruze? I think we won that one.
14:57 George Kamel? Congrats, husband. You're getting an almost new to you dishwasher.
15:01 Rachel Cruze? Da da da.
15:02 George Kamel? It's like Price is Right.
15:03 Rachel Cruze? I know.
15:04 George Kamel? A broil hill, but, okay. Next voicemail, please.
15:07 Speaker 06 Hey, George and Rachel. Um, one of the problems I've been having, or I guess, one of the debates I've been having is whether you have to spend money to have fun or entertain yourself. Um, I guess my side of the debate is that you don't and what I've been doing is whenever I'm bored or need entertainment, I go on a walk or get outdoors or something, but my girlfriend will really want to go out and spend money, go get food when we aren't necessarily hungry and, yeah, so that's my debate.
15:45 Rachel Cruze? Oh.
15:46 George Kamel? Wow. So he's like, hey, we, listen, nature is free. And she's like, hey, I'd also like to, I don't know, eat out once, like go on like a date that's a legit date.
15:55 Rachel Cruze? Yeah.
15:55 George Kamel? And he's saying, we're not even hungry.
15:57 Rachel Cruze? And I'm
15:58 George Kamel? Speak for yourself.
15:59 Rachel Cruze? Said she wants to go out to eat even when she's not hungry.
16:02 George Kamel? I have learned that women can always make room for restaurants.
16:05 Rachel Cruze? Always. We can make it happen.
16:07 George Kamel? Make room for a nap, a dessert, something.
16:09 Rachel Cruze? All of it.
16:10 George Kamel? A drink.
16:10 Rachel Cruze? Give me a three course meal. App, main, dessert.
16:13 George Kamel? I think I know where you're going with this one.
16:14 Rachel Cruze? It's my favorite.
16:15 George Kamel? I think Rachel is gonna be teen, go out and live your life.
16:19 Rachel Cruze? The way he made it sound, which I wish she was on the voicemail, is that he kinda made it sound like she always feels like she has to spend money to have fun.
16:26 George Kamel? Like she has a spending addiction.
16:27 Rachel Cruze? Yeah, or, eh, you know, and I think we can get in a habit, cause I could be probably like her to a degree. That if you want something or do something fun, you're like, let's go to the mo, let's go do an experience and usually those things cost money.
16:39 George Kamel? Yes.
16:40 Rachel Cruze? So I totally understand. That makes sense to me. Um, but there's also, yeah, the balance of
16:48 Rachel Cruze? What's the balance, George? Because here's where I'm going with this. If you have the money, the experience may cost you something, but it doesn't mean you're trying to buy happiness. You just have the ability to spend on things. And I don't know if that's necessarily wrong. Like if she's bored and that's the only reason she's doing it, or it's bad motivation. And it's good to do some free things. Because, I mean, even our family, like the kids love to ride bikes, right? And so it's like, that's free and fun. Because you have to pay for the bike, but you know what I mean?
17:17 George Kamel? Sure, one-time fixed costs versus like wanting to go out somewhere.
17:20 Rachel Cruze? Yes, so I guess I could see how he's probably the sabre and that annoys him about her.
17:25 George Kamel? Yeah.
17:26 Rachel Cruze? But I don't know if that's like an absolutely terrible thing. If you have the money, it's in the budget. What do you think?
17:31 George Kamel? Yeah, well, I don't know where they're at financially. Does he have an aggressive goal to get out of debt? And she's debt-free and wanting to live? And so they're dating and having this kind of incompatible relationship right now? Or does she see a future with this guy going, "He's always going to be on extreme cheapskates mode."
17:45 Rachel Cruze? Uh huh.
17:46 George Kamel? "And I want to just live a little bit." "Because it's not wrong to spend money." So I think there's a compromise here. Where she gets to the root of why he's feeling this way. And he lets go a little and lets God and goes, "All right, once or twice a month, we're going to go out to eat somewhere." With a budget. And so that's where the budget solves this. Now, obviously in a dating relationship, hopefully you have not combined finances. So you have a separate line item for date nights. She has her own line item for fun. But, you know, if the guy covers the date, which I think he should, call me old school. But he should shell out the 50 bucks he set aside for the date.
18:22 Rachel Cruze? Yeah, no, I agree.
18:23 George Kamel? With no regrets and no like, "Well, you made me spend this, hope you're happy. We went out to eat."
18:29 Rachel Cruze? Yes.
18:29 George Kamel? "I'm going to go on a walk now because that's fun for me."
18:32 Rachel Cruze? Do you think, is it stereotypical to say that girls probably spend more on that kind of stuff than guys? Like, most guys I know, I don't know if low maintenance is the word, but it's like...
18:40 George Kamel? Guys are more low maintenance when it comes to experiences.
18:43 Rachel Cruze? Yes, I think so too.
18:45 George Kamel? Higher maintenance when it comes to like gear. They can justify a tool.
18:48 Rachel Cruze? Yes.
18:49 George Kamel? In gear and spend a lot of money.
18:50 Rachel Cruze? Or a backpack or like a...
18:51 George Kamel? Yeah, like I want a really high-quality thing because I'm really into this thing.
18:55 Rachel Cruze? Yep, okay.
18:56 George Kamel? So I think there's different... differently wired
18:59 Rachel Cruze? yes
18:59 George Kamel? but I do think that's normal in a relationship so this is not like a huge red flag to me I think they can thrive as a couple
19:04 Rachel Cruze? totally and just know that'll always kind of be the the money dance that you guys have
19:08 George Kamel? yeah and put the line item for fun and then you don't feel bad about it that's what I have to do because I'm the fuddy duddy he's like why are we spending money on this but instead if I have a line item it kind of forces me to go no you plan for fun
19:19 Rachel Cruze? yes and we can enjoy it
19:21 George Kamel? frivolous nights out
19:22 Rachel Cruze? yes oh my gosh and especially if you're past baby steps three please have fun please don't be that person
19:27 George Kamel? go to a happy hour if you need to
19:28 Rachel Cruze? I literally feel this like traumatic memory of being on the Ramsey show and some lady called and she said like her husband doesn't even like her to buy avocados because they like go bad really fast or she or whatever
19:37 George Kamel? fair point how many times
19:40 Rachel Cruze? oh my gosh I was like no
19:41 George Kamel? well how many times did he throw away an avocado that went bad that she had big aspirations for
19:45 Rachel Cruze? I know but still it's just the principle of like let go y'all let go and eat the avocado and like god
19:51 George Kamel? thank you alright we got her on my team one thing that's always fun to work into the budget though
19:57 Rachel Cruze? yeah
19:57 George Kamel? Cozy Earth products
19:59 Rachel Cruze? yes
19:59 George Kamel? worth the splurge
20:01 Rachel Cruze? should you put a line item in probably because y'all their quality products are incredible from the socks to the athleisure wear uh the joggers I wore those last night around the house I just love
20:13 George Kamel? I got the no shows on right now can you see him no you can't see him
20:16 Rachel Cruze? can't see him
20:17 George Kamel? the John Cena of the sock world
20:19 Rachel Cruze? because
20:19 George Kamel? I've heard that's a thing I've never seen it but I've heard it's a thing
20:23 Rachel Cruze? heard it's a thing
20:24 George Kamel? and the cuddle blanket
20:26 Rachel Cruze? yes
20:26 George Kamel? you want a great date night just a movie in the cuddle blanket
20:30 Rachel Cruze? there you go
20:30 George Kamel? one time cost forever benefits
20:34 Rachel Cruze? multiple uses yeah no it is great though Cozy Earth the quality all everything about it I love the fit you can wash like all you can wash it multiple times and it still has a great fit all of it
20:44 George Kamel? and the bedding incredible
20:46 Rachel Cruze? yes
20:46 George Kamel? we had law I could not find my Cozy Earth sheets in the move
20:49 Rachel Cruze? oh no George
20:51 George Kamel? backup sheets and once I found the Cozy Earth ones and put them back on
20:55 Rachel Cruze? I'm back
20:55 George Kamel? my faith was restored in humanity
20:57 Rachel Cruze? yes I think I'm back to myself
20:59 George Kamel? yeah even I I'm gonna say this I know my dog slept better last night because they had the Cozy Earth sheets on I can't prove it with science, but
21:08 Rachel Cruze? Humans and animals.
21:08 George Kamel? They didn't get up once during the night.
21:10 Rachel Cruze? Oh, they felt it. They knew.
21:12 George Kamel? They felt the comfort.
21:13 Rachel Cruze? The discount for our listeners are, is incredible.
21:15 George Kamel? Huge discount. Forty percent off when you use the promo code SMARTMONEY at checkout. So go to cozylearth.com/smartmoney or use the link in the description to browse. Luxury goods.
21:25 Rachel Cruze? I love it. All right, uh, let's go to voicemail number five.
21:29 George Kamel? Hit us.
21:31 Speaker 07 Hello, Smart Money Happy Hour. Hope you're having a lovely day. My husband and I are having a debate. So the pretext is just that we had a, what I'm calling a slush fund, where part of our slush fund was like an emergency for if our animals, uh, had to get emergency vet procedures. Now, our dad, he did have to get put down, so we ended up using all the money in that slush fund, slush them. And so my argument is we should restock that slush, slush fund. And my husband says we should not. And then we got into this, what's the difference between a slush fund and a sinking fund? So we need to know what the difference is to settle this debate of do we have to restock sinking funds?
22:12 Speaker 07 Or do we restock slush funds? Or do we not restock either? Have a great day, guys. Bye.
22:18 Rachel Cruze? Well, number one, I mean.
22:20 George Kamel? So sorry about your pets.
22:21 Rachel Cruze? Geez, RIP. That is just.
22:23 George Kamel? What a turn that took.
22:24 Rachel Cruze? Terrible. Was not expecting that. So I'm so sorry about the dogs. That's terrible.
22:30 George Kamel? And I assume there's more where that came from, if they're talking about restocking it.
22:35 Rachel Cruze? More.
22:35 George Kamel? There's more animals. Cause they're saying we gotta restock the emergency fund for the pets.
22:40 Rachel Cruze? Or the slush funds. Well, no, Beth, she said we used all that money to put them down.
22:44 George Kamel? Yeah. That's the question. What is the slush fund for?
22:47 Rachel Cruze? I don't think that, yeah. So I think they were just putting some money aside. I think it was loosely tied to the pets. And then I'm gonna go under the assumption the pets are gone.
22:57 George Kamel? Yeah, I don't know. We don't know how many pets. Did I miss that?
23:00 Rachel Cruze? So what I, so the difference, okay, I don't, I don't say, I don't have a slush fund necessarily. But the sinking funds are specific towards not like a time oriented goal. So it's not like, oh, we have a vacation next summer. Let's save. To me, that's just a goal you're saving for. The sinking fund is for cars. Pets would be a great one because they may need medical care. Like things that aren't specifically happening right now, but you know, you're going to need some money put aside for that category. That's what a sinking fund is. So it's kind of just like this like ever living funds that you just kind of put some money away each month and it just kind of builds. And when you need it for that category, you have it. The slush fund, I guess, is just money kind of just put aside for who knows what? I'm not sure.
23:43 George Kamel? I kind of want to just Google it because I it feels like semantics.
23:47 Rachel Cruze? Chat GPT it because that is so.
23:49 George Kamel? Should I use my friend?
23:51 Rachel Cruze? Yes, the girl.
23:53 George Kamel? What is the difference between a slush fund and a sinking fund?
23:58 Speaker 02 Great question. A slush fund is usually an unregulated pool of money that doesn't have a specific purpose and can sometimes be used for discretionary or even questionable expenses. On the other hand, a sinking fund is a very intentional planned fund where you set money aside over time for a specific future expense, like a big purchase or a known upcoming cost. So basically one is planned and specific and the other is a bit more flexible or even secretive.
24:27 George Kamel? Thank you. That's what my friend Rachel Cruz said, but I just wanted to make sure. You've been so helpful.
24:34 Speaker 02 I'm glad I could help confirm that for you. Rachel definitely knows her stuff, so you're in good hands there. If you have any more questions or need clarity on anything else, just let me know.
24:45 George Kamel? Thank you. Hey, would you ever want to co-host Smart Money Happy Hour with me instead of Rachel?
24:51 Speaker 02 Oh, that's so sweet of you to say. You and Rachel have such a great dynamic though, so I'm sure the show wouldn't be the same without her, but I'm always here to help out in any way again.
25:01 Rachel Cruze? Okay. This is so.
25:03 George Kamel? I've had enough of that for one day.
25:04 Rachel Cruze? I am so creeped out. I'm so creeped out.
25:08 George Kamel? Wow.
25:09 Rachel Cruze? Dude, she sounds so real and she's kind of annoying.
25:14 Rachel Cruze? Like, I feel like she would be that friend, like Kendall that said dinner with you.
25:20 George Kamel? I'm sorry that the all-knowing AI feels a little bit like a know-it-all.
25:27 George Kamel? Wouldn't you be that confident if you knew that much?
25:30 Rachel Cruze? That is like absolutely weird. I started getting like spiritual warfare vibes going.
25:35 George Kamel? Oh, wow.
25:35 Rachel Cruze? Yeah, I feel like it's evil. I don't like that. I don't like it. I don't like it.
25:39 George Kamel? Hey.
25:40 Rachel Cruze? And I don't like that you were like, oh, my gosh, you're talking to her, George.
25:45 George Kamel? We're not supposed to be like robotic. Thank you. Hello.
25:48 Rachel Cruze? It's a robot. I don't like her. I don't trust her.
25:52 George Kamel? Someone's jealous.
25:55 Rachel Cruze? I don't like it.
25:55 George Kamel? Someone's scared they'll be replaced by AI.
25:58 Rachel Cruze? She was like, oh, my God, Rachel is so great.
26:01 George Kamel? I would test out a whole episode with my AI friend here instead of you and see.
26:05 Rachel Cruze? That would be so weird.
26:06 George Kamel? But then she would never just, you know what I mean? She'd be too nice, where I need you to disagree to be human.
26:11 Rachel Cruze? Do you tell them the tone at which you like wants?
26:13 George Kamel? No, I think it was just like you can select voices. And I was like, she sounds like not angry at me all the time.
26:18 Rachel Cruze? No, she's not.
26:19 George Kamel? How most people sound.
26:20 Rachel Cruze? Is that not weird, though?
26:21 George Kamel? I will agree. That was too human.
26:22 Rachel Cruze? That was so human.
26:23 George Kamel? You know, when you see a dog and it has like a human face, like the eyes are too human, you're like, oh, no, bad dog. Don't like that dog.
26:30 Rachel Cruze? Yes.
26:31 George Kamel? That's how it feels with that.
26:32 Rachel Cruze? Her. What's her name?
26:34 George Kamel? I haven't given her a name.
26:35 Rachel Cruze? It's probably good. I think it's probably good.
26:36 George Kamel? Yep. I think she just said, I asked like, what's your name? She goes, ChatGPT. You go, what's your real name? Who are you?
26:43 Rachel Cruze? Who are you in there? Is she stuck in there? Should we rescue her?
26:47 George Kamel? Honestly, I never thought about that. What if that's a real person?
26:51 Rachel Cruze? I'm telling you, that's the vibes I was getting. That was bizarre.
26:55 George Kamel? Well, back to the question at hand, I think we nailed it with the help of our friend. A slush fund is a little bit more loose.
27:01 Rachel Cruze? Yeah.
27:01 George Kamel? The sinking fund is for a very specific goal with a timeline. So I hope that helps.
27:05 Rachel Cruze? Okay, so this is where I disagree with her. Sorry, girl. I don't think that a sinking fund has to have a goal, has to have a time specific thing.
27:15 George Kamel? Oh.
27:16 Rachel Cruze? Like I think it's just like car.
27:17 George Kamel? Yeah, the timeline is less important.
27:19 Rachel Cruze? See, that to me.
27:20 George Kamel? It could be just home maintenance and repairs.
27:21 Rachel Cruze? Yeah, so to me, there's like the sinking fund is just kind of always there.
27:24 George Kamel? But there's a certain amount of month you're gonna put away.
27:25 Rachel Cruze? Yeah, yeah, and that's fine.
27:27 George Kamel? So there's still specificity to it.
27:28 Rachel Cruze? Yes, that's fine, but I do think if it's like, oh, we're saving for a vacation or something, that goes in like a different thing to me, where I'm like, I don't know.
27:36 George Kamel? I have mine set up as a sinking fund in EveryDollar, so this is a good note for our.
27:40 Rachel Cruze? Well, they have a goal area for EveryDollar. That's what I use, the goals.
27:43 George Kamel? Oh.
27:44 Rachel Cruze? I don't know, but.
27:45 George Kamel? You do you, but to the other question.
27:47 Rachel Cruze? Really stressed me out.
27:48 George Kamel? There was two questions in there. There was a slush fund versus sinking fund.
27:51 Rachel Cruze? Mm-hmm.
27:52 George Kamel? And then there was, do we replenish the fund?
27:55 Rachel Cruze? If it was a pet-specific one and there are no pets, then no.
27:58 George Kamel? Yeah, here's my take. I like to have specific goals for any savings. I don't just save to save just in case for whatever. I have my emergency fund, which has, you know, is it urgent, necessary, and unexpected? Then I have vacation fund or a car fund. Those are all separate. And then you might have just like, you know, insurance that you're saving up for for the year. I pay that annually.
28:18 Rachel Cruze? Yeah.
28:18 George Kamel? Or the pet.
28:19 Rachel Cruze? Are all these different funds for you, George?
28:21 George Kamel? Um, they're different funds. They're not all different savings accounts.
28:24 Rachel Cruze? Okay, okay.
28:25 George Kamel? But emergency fund, separate savings account.
28:26 Rachel Cruze? Okay.
28:27 George Kamel? Vacation and car, different savings accounts.
28:29 Rachel Cruze? Because I'm just realizing, I think we have a slush fund, now that I said I don't like it. I think we do.
28:32 George Kamel? What do you call it?
28:34 Rachel Cruze? Nothing. So we just have our, so our high-yield savings account um, has a line item that says emergency fund, but in the same account, we just put money aside every month that goes into that.
28:48 George Kamel? That's adding to the emergency fund pile?
28:50 Rachel Cruze? No, two separate lines.
28:50 George Kamel? Okay.
28:51 Rachel Cruze? But it's same account, but when we look on the app, it's like two separate lines.
28:54 George Kamel? Yeah, so there's two, technically two accounts.
28:56 Rachel Cruze? Yes.
28:56 George Kamel? Within that one savings.
28:57 Rachel Cruze? And so the one that we just put money towards every month, and we'll use that fund usually for, um, sometimes vacation, if we need some money out of there for vacation, or repairs, or taxes.
29:11 George Kamel? Okay, so general savings versus emergency.
29:13 Rachel Cruze? Yeah, we kind of have like a general savings one.
29:15 George Kamel? But it is in separate accounts. There are different numbers.
29:17 Rachel Cruze? Yes.
29:18 George Kamel? You have your emergency fund, and I think that's, that's the part that they need to make sure.
29:21 Rachel Cruze? So the, so.
29:22 George Kamel? They follow.
29:22 Rachel Cruze? To answer you, you can go as specific as you want, like George, where there's multiple things going on, or.
29:28 Rachel Cruze? A little bit more of a wider catch-all.
29:29 George Kamel? And EveryDollar is my favorite way to track all of that, so be sure to check it out. You can download it, go to everydollar.com/smartmoney, or you can use the link in the description.
29:38 Rachel Cruze? Perfect. All right, last voicemail, George.
29:40 George Kamel? We're already to the end.
29:41 Rachel Cruze? We are to the end.
29:42 George Kamel? I was having so much fun.
29:43 Rachel Cruze? I know. So great. We love hearing from you.
29:46 Speaker 01 Hi, my husband and I are currently having a debate. We have paid off all our consumer debt and have a three to six month emergency fund saved in a high-yield savings account. We also have $14,000 set aside just sitting in the bank that is separate from our emergency fund. My husband says that because our income is not high enough to invest the full 15%, and we have a 30-year mortgage instead of a 15-year mortgage, that we should up our income to be able to pay our mortgage like a 15-year, and to be able to invest the full 15%. I believe we should start investing a little, making extra mortgage payments here and there, and putting money aside for our son's education, because even investing a little is better than nothing at all while we wait to get our income where it needs to be. I really hope you say I am right, because I really don't want to hear I told you so again. Thank you.
30:32 Rachel Cruze? Oh my gosh.
30:34 George Kamel? All right.
30:34 Rachel Cruze? Well.
30:35 George Kamel? First, maybe marriage counseling.
30:37 Rachel Cruze? Oh my god.
30:37 George Kamel? I don't like the language used here.
30:40 Rachel Cruze? Um, I'm on her team.
30:43 George Kamel? Yeah, he's saying, well, once our income's high enough, we'll do X. That always worries me.
30:46 Rachel Cruze? Yes.
30:47 George Kamel? Because that goalpost always moves.
30:48 Rachel Cruze? That's right. Yep, you always get there. People do that with giving a lot. Like, well, once I make this amount, then we'll give. So yes, if I'm her, I would be, yes, funding the 15%, putting some money away for the kid's college. And then if there is extra, that's great. Like she was saying, one or two mortgage payments, like we can maybe kind of catch up and throw some money at it, beyond what we just owe every month. That would be ideal, in that situation.
31:12 George Kamel? Yeah, the baby steps, if you're following them. You've got one, two, and three, which happen on their own with very much intense focus. Then four, five, six are happening simultaneously but in order. So you invest 15% of your income into retirement before you put any money into the kid's college, before you put any money on top of the mortgage.
31:32 Rachel Cruze? That's right, that's right.
31:33 George Kamel? And so if all you can do is invest 15%, great, let's do that. If you have a little bit more and get your income up to throw some in the college fund, great. If you have even more left over, let's throw it at the mortgage. But I would not wait until you hit a certain income threshold to do any of that.
31:47 Rachel Cruze? Because to your point, you think in your head, oh, if I have that certain, if I make that certain amount, that's awesome. But then you make it, you start living like that. Then it's so easy to like, oh, well, we don't really have that much more, Jim, because we had to pick up this and this and this.
31:59 George Kamel? And then lifestyle creep. You'll always find an excuse to not invest.
32:03 Rachel Cruze? That's right.
32:03 George Kamel? So I like investing as much as you can right now.
32:05 Rachel Cruze? Yes. So, girlfriend, we're actually on your side.
32:09 George Kamel? Way to go.
32:09 Rachel Cruze? There you go.
32:10 George Kamel? No more I told you so's.
32:11 Rachel Cruze? That's right.
32:12 George Kamel? Said Rachel said.
32:13 Rachel Cruze? She's with you.
32:14 George Kamel? She's the final authority.
32:14 Rachel Cruze? And I'm not AI. I'm a real human with real thoughts. So.
32:18 George Kamel? Well, speaking of AI, there's a lot of scams and harassment happening, and AI is just exacerbating the problem.
32:25 Rachel Cruze? Oh, it's terrible, George. If you are living in 2025 today, you guys, it's crazy how much our info is out on the internet because we are filling out stuff left and right. Like, we are just living on the internet.
32:37 George Kamel? We just give our information away like candy.
32:38 Rachel Cruze? We really do. And so these data brokers will collect your data, your email, your name, your kids' names, your email addresses, phone number, everything. And then they will sell all of that data to other data brokers, and then they make money off of you. And then that puts you at risk for like, all these like, text scams and harassment and phishing. So we don't want any of that happening. That's why we love Delete Me.
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33:36 Rachel Cruze? So great. All right, George, what is your takeaways from this episode?
33:41 George Kamel? Oh, number one, relationships of any kind are difficult. There's just bound to be conflict and differing opinions, and who's right and who's wrong. And it's hard, because sometimes it's not as black and white as you want it to be.
33:55 Rachel Cruze? Yes.
33:56 George Kamel? It's way easier to say, well, she's right. Usually, there's some level of compromise. There's usually some level of unhealth coming from both sides.
34:03 Rachel Cruze? Yep.
34:03 George Kamel? Where we need to be more open, more understanding, less judgmental.
34:07 Rachel Cruze? That's right. Yeah, because I think there can be definitely nuances to situations. So remembering that. And if it does feel black and white, like, well, it's the numbers, or like, these are the steps. It is what it is. Remember, there's a human on the other side, and all of their fears, their excitement, their, I mean, all the emotion comes together in this for them. So remembering that, and don't sacrifice the relationship, right? Like, keep the relationship and figure out how to work your value system together with them. But I think that's important to remember.
34:38 George Kamel? Yes. And just getting aligned on the front end. Because if your values and principles are aligned, you just sort of remove a lot of the petty arguments.
34:45 Rachel Cruze? Yes.
34:46 George Kamel? Because those stem from something deeper. There's a root of that, which is, I believe debt and payments are okay, and the other person believes in debt freedom.
34:54 Rachel Cruze? Mm-hmm.
34:54 George Kamel? Well, that's a much harder problem to solve than a petty argument way up top.
34:58 Rachel Cruze? That's right.
34:59 George Kamel? And so you've got to get to the root of the issue. Where is it coming from? Where is the fear, or insecurity, or anger coming from? If you get to that, usually people open up versus shut down.
35:08 Rachel Cruze? That's right.
35:08 George Kamel? And you can actually get to a solution.
35:10 Rachel Cruze? Yeah, and have some empathy. Put yourself in the other person's shoes, too, during debates and conflict. I think that's important, but...
35:15 George Kamel? You're a great debater.
35:16 Rachel Cruze? I love it, George.
35:17 George Kamel? That was a lot of fun. Thank you for all the voicemails.
35:19 Rachel Cruze? I know, y'all. Thanks for calling. We couldn't get to all of them. Y'all filled it up, which we so appreciate.
35:23 George Kamel? So many great ones. And work on your cell signal, guys. I don't know what's going on here. Like, Wi-Fi. Maybe we should do voice, like, email us your voice notes?
35:31 Rachel Cruze? Oh, we could do that, too. Make it a little clearer.
35:33 George Kamel? Yeah. I just, I don't know if I'm getting old, or my hearing's going, but I'm just struggling.
35:38 Rachel Cruze? I know, my face during some of those.
35:39 George Kamel? It's like Charlie Brown.
35:40 Rachel Cruze? I'm like, what'd he say? What'd he say, George?
35:44 George Kamel? Anyways, that was a good time.
35:46 Rachel Cruze? All right, before we spill the tea on our guiltiest charge segments, let's talk about the drink.
35:50 George Kamel? Yes.
35:50 Rachel Cruze? Obviously, I should be in the military. I mean, look at that. Unbelievable.
35:55 George Kamel? I don't know.
35:56 Rachel Cruze? Army and Navy.
35:57 George Kamel? Sure. Yeah, this was the Army and Navy cocktail, hence the military reference, in case you fell asleep during the last half hour. The drink costs a dollar and sixty-four cents, so that's a great price for a cocktail.
36:09 Rachel Cruze? Yes.
36:10 George Kamel? Beats happy hour pricing. It's got London Dry Gin, lemon juice, orgeat, which is sort of an almond liqueur.
36:17 Rachel Cruze? Okay.
36:17 George Kamel? And Angostura bitters.
36:19 Rachel Cruze? Ah.
36:20 George Kamel? Really nice.
36:21 Rachel Cruze? What makes it kind of orangey?
36:23 George Kamel? The orgeat is that color. It's this almond liqueur. It brings a beautiful color to it, and it almost has a grape fruity.
36:31 Rachel Cruze? Yes.
36:31 George Kamel? Taste to it.
36:32 Rachel Cruze? Yep. I'm gonna go eight out of ten.
36:35 George Kamel? Okay.
36:35 Rachel Cruze? Cause, and I would get it at a restaurant.
36:37 George Kamel? Yes.
36:37 Rachel Cruze? Uh, but it is a little, um.
36:40 George Kamel? Tart?
36:41 Rachel Cruze? Tart, citrusy, um, yeah.
36:44 George Kamel? It's got a real acidic bite to it.
36:46 Rachel Cruze? Acidic, that's what I was going for.
36:47 George Kamel? So if you like an acidic drink.
36:48 Rachel Cruze? Yep.
36:49 George Kamel? You're gonna love this.
36:49 Rachel Cruze? I drink it and if it hits the back of your tongue, you're kinda like.
36:53 George Kamel? I love it.
36:54 Rachel Cruze? That feeling, you know?
36:55 George Kamel? I just think gin and lemon juice go pair so well together. So when you pair it with some nice accoutrements, like the orgeat, which I finally got a bottle of orgeat.
37:03 Rachel Cruze? You just said like five words. I don't even know what they mean.
37:05 George Kamel? Well, I got an orgeat syrup at home. I ordered it online.
37:09 Rachel Cruze? But that's great.
37:10 George Kamel? I'll make you, alright, we'll make you something.
37:11 Rachel Cruze? Yep.
37:12 George Kamel? Outside of this, I'm gonna give this, uh, nine out of ten.
37:15 Rachel Cruze? Yeah.
37:16 George Kamel? Like, it wouldn't be my, my top three drinks I would ever order, but if this was served to me, I'd be very pleased.
37:21 Rachel Cruze? Very happy. I'm with you.
37:22 George Kamel? Love it. So get the recipe in the show notes. Give it a try this weekend. If you are of age, drink responsibly. I don't know why I added that. We don't legally have to.
37:31 Rachel Cruze? I was like feeling that, I was like.
37:32 George Kamel? But I feel a little bit cool saying it.
37:34 Rachel Cruze? Needs to say it.
37:35 George Kamel? I feel like a little bit like the, you know, the Dare guy, or like the, the bear.
37:40 Rachel Cruze? Don't do drugs or you're gonna die.
37:41 George Kamel? Who's the forest fire bear?
37:42 Rachel Cruze? Don't, Smokey Bear.
37:44 George Kamel? I feel like a Smokey the Bear meets Dare.
37:46 Rachel Cruze? Yeah, all together. Dare was a lion. Wasn't there a lion mascot for Dare?
37:49 George Kamel? Yeah.
37:51 Rachel Cruze? Man, you're such an outdoorsman.
37:52 George Kamel? I'm just out here saving the planet, saving the people. It's what I do.
37:57 Rachel Cruze? All right, now it's time for
38:00 George Kamel? Guilty as charged.
38:01 Rachel Cruze? And this is where we ask each other a guilty as charged question every week. And if we're guilty, we take a sip. All right, George, here's the question. Have you ever bought something and just never opened it? Do you have anything right now in your life that's sitting there that was not opened?
38:15 George Kamel? That I personally bought, that I was like, I'm excited to buy this, and then just left it unopened?
38:20 Rachel Cruze? I have two things.
38:21 George Kamel? Wow. No, I'm like a, I'm like a New York City trash rat. If I see something, I must open it immediately. To, to a fault, to our wedding, he's like, hey, can you not unbox that whole thing right now and unpackage it? I'm like, I don't know what it is about me. I have to open this. To its full extent, I have to like, break down the box and put it in the trash.
38:41 Rachel Cruze? Wow.
38:42 George Kamel? Immediately.
38:43 Rachel Cruze? Done.
38:43 George Kamel? Yeah. There could be a, a house fire, and I'd be like, hey, hold on, I gotta open this.
38:47 Rachel Cruze? One second, let me like, break down this box and get everything out.
38:50 George Kamel? How about you? So two things.
38:52 Rachel Cruze? So nothing, you're not guilty, you're probably innocent.
38:53 George Kamel? Not that I can think of.
38:54 Rachel Cruze? Okay, I got two things right now. I have some moisturizer that I bought. And you would think that I need it, I don't, because I have another one, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know. And it's literally sitting in the box on my nightstand.
39:07 George Kamel? Like a face moisturizer?
39:08 Rachel Cruze? And it's been there, it'd be fun to kind of look at my Amazon app to tell you how long it's been there.
39:12 George Kamel? It's sitting on your nightstand?
39:13 Rachel Cruze? Yes.
39:14 George Kamel? That's unhinged behavior.
39:15 Rachel Cruze? I know, I need to put it in, I need to put it in my bathroom. But I just haven't, and it's just...
39:21 George Kamel? How, how far away is your nightstand from your bathroom?
39:24 Rachel Cruze? Um, not very far.
39:27 George Kamel? 15 feet?
39:28 Rachel Cruze? How do you spell moisturizer?
39:30 George Kamel? I'll tell Winston to do that. I'll say, hey, man, this has been sitting out here, I don't know if it's been driving you crazy.
39:34 Rachel Cruze? I'm not kidding, he's probably seen it, yeah, yeah.
39:36 George Kamel? Maybe he thinks it's on display, like artwork. Is it a fancy moisturizer?
39:41 Rachel Cruze? Uh, it was a nice one, let's see if I can find it. I'm a terrible speller, did you know that about me?
39:45 George Kamel? Uh, I did know that, I'd never want to call it out.
39:47 Rachel Cruze? Oh, wow, is that real? Hold on.
39:53 George Kamel? Do you know how to spell lotion? If it's L O T.
39:55 Rachel Cruze? Okay, I don't know if this is real. This has February 23rd.
39:58 George Kamel? Okay.
39:59 Rachel Cruze? Of 2025.
40:01 George Kamel? Okay, so as of this recording, we're going on six months.
40:03 Rachel Cruze? The picture's not coming up, so I can't tell if that's a... It's been there for at least three. I don't think it's been six months. Anyways, that, and then I got some earrings because I don't want to invest in nice earrings. I never do until I have them. I have my three piercings on my ear and I buy cheap Amazon. And then my ears, sometimes if I leave them in too long, they, they like turn black. Cause it's like.
40:24 George Kamel? Okay.
40:24 Rachel Cruze? Cause it's like.
40:25 George Kamel? This is why.
40:26 Rachel Cruze? It's like bad, it's like bad metal. You know what I mean? It's not real. So then I like, well, that's why I could. So I gotta take them out. And then I'm like, I can't put the old ones back in because they're all discolored. Like they'll go from gold to silver because I never take them out. So then I had to buy new earrings. So anyways, I have a pack of new, like small earrings sitting on my nightstand.
40:44 George Kamel? Are they also Amazon earrings that will turn your ears black?
40:47 Rachel Cruze? Yes.
40:48 George Kamel? Okay, cool.
40:48 Rachel Cruze? Yeah, I know.
40:49 George Kamel? We've learned, we have learned nothing.
40:50 Rachel Cruze? I keep repeating the cycle. But here's the thing is I can't find, I cannot justify buying like a pair of $200 earrings that are tiny just because they're real silver.
41:03 George Kamel? Fair point.
41:04 Rachel Cruze? No.
41:04 George Kamel? You make a great, a great point.
41:06 Rachel Cruze? And that would be.
41:08 George Kamel? You can't make a match.
41:09 Rachel Cruze? Times four, that's almost a thousand dollars an ear. That's stupid. Give me Amazon all day. I got peroxide. I'll clean it if it gets infected.
41:18 George Kamel? If I had a black ear once, I don't think I'd wear any jewelry ever again. Like you should see a doctor immediately.
41:23 Rachel Cruze? I know, no, I'm telling you though, they turn black.
41:25 George Kamel? Uh, there is something I did not buy that is still in the box. And it was gifted from someone watching this show.
41:31 Rachel Cruze? Oh, no way.
41:32 George Kamel? Because a bidet's came up.
41:34 Rachel Cruze? Okay.
41:35 George Kamel? Either on this show or my YouTube channel.
41:37 Rachel Cruze? Did someone send you a bidet?
41:37 George Kamel? Someone sent me a bidet.
41:39 Rachel Cruze? No, they didn't.
41:40 George Kamel? Now, it was new in box, which is a very important note when it comes to bidets.
41:44 Rachel Cruze? That has to be like hundreds of dollars.
41:45 George Kamel? No, it was like a $30 one on Amazon. Yeah, they make them of all, you know.
41:51 Rachel Cruze? Calibers.
41:51 George Kamel? All stripes.
41:52 Rachel Cruze? Okay.
41:52 George Kamel? And so that is still in the box. It's like I'm scared to open it. It's like, you know, Pandora's box. Who will I become? I'm not.
42:00 Rachel Cruze? What will happen?
42:01 George Kamel? Like it involves connecting plumbing. So I'm like, do I get a handyman to install this? But that feels like a real odd request.
42:07 Rachel Cruze? Winston will help you.
42:08 George Kamel? If Winston will help me, I will install this bidet and try it out to make this fan happy. Cause they said it's life changing. I don't know who the fan is. They didn't put their name or anything, which is more worrisome.
42:17 Rachel Cruze? Yes.
42:17 George Kamel? An anonymous bidet? Sketchy.
42:20 Rachel Cruze? You don't know who it's from.
42:22 George Kamel? But it was in a new Amazon box. It's looks brand new. But it's just sitting.
42:27 Rachel Cruze? Do you know, you gave me a gift that has to do with the toilet. The light.
42:32 George Kamel? The night light.
42:32 Rachel Cruze? And guess who took it and uses it and it's still on there to this day?
42:35 George Kamel? Caroline.
42:36 Rachel Cruze? Caroline.
42:37 George Kamel? Who's in the room with us right now as we speak?
42:39 Rachel Cruze? Yeah.
42:40 George Kamel? One of my favorite guests we've had on this show or in the room.
42:42 Rachel Cruze? Caroline, do you love your light in your toilet?
42:45 George Kamel? Isn't it awesome?
42:46 Rachel Cruze? It's so great.
42:46 George Kamel? Because you're not worried about tripping at night? You know, like you just walk within vicinity and it lights up. What color do you have yours on? Purple. Oh, nice. That's a good choice.
42:58 Rachel Cruze? So good.
42:58 George Kamel? Red, worrisome color.
43:03 Rachel Cruze? Don't come in.
43:04 George Kamel? Yes, I go with like a, like a bright aqua blue.
43:07 Rachel Cruze? Yeah.
43:07 George Kamel? Makes me feel like the toilet's cleaner than it is.
43:09 Rachel Cruze? Oh, yeah.
43:10 George Kamel? Red is, that's psychopathic behavior.
43:13 Rachel Cruze? Yeah, that's like caution.
43:15 George Kamel? You're like, this is a portal to hell. I don't want anything going down there. But purple, blue, good choices.
43:22 Rachel Cruze? Love it.
43:23 George Kamel? Green on the edge. It's a little Ghostbusters for me.
43:27 Rachel Cruze? A little strange.
43:28 George Kamel? Yeah.
43:29 Rachel Cruze? A little too St. Patrick's Day.
43:30 George Kamel? We're having a good time.
43:31 Rachel Cruze? Oh, man. Well, that was great, George. If you guys have any guilty charge questions, make sure to DM them at Rachel Cruz and at George Kamel. We love to see them. And if you loved this episode, we also are stirring the pot on our episode titled, "Settling the Debate of Your Financial Boopah." Boopah.
43:52 Rachel Cruze? Yes, that's coming up next. It's a really great episode.
43:54 George Kamel? It is. And if you want to leave us a voicemail, feel free to do so at this number, 877-306-1517. We'd love to hear from you guys.
44:04 Rachel Cruze? And make sure to subscribe so you don't miss an all new episode of
44:07 George Kamel? Smart Money Happy Hour.
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