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0:05 George Kamel? And what are we talking about today, Rachel? Strategic side hustles. Not just any side hustles, strategically. I was like, I can grocery shop. It's not that hard.
0:14 Rachel Cruze? I remember this. This is so embarrassing. God, I'm going to be judged by this, but this happened.
0:25 Rachel Cruze? Hey, guys, I'm Rachel Cruz.
0:27 George Kamel? I'm George Kamel.
0:29 Rachel Cruze? And this is Smart Money Happy Hour.
0:37 Rachel Cruze? This is the show where two friends who happen to be money experts talk about what you're talking about. So everything from pop culture, current events, and money. What do we got, George?
0:44 George Kamel? This is called the Kentucky Colonel. Don't let the O-L-O-N-E-L fool you. It's pronounced Colonel.
0:51 Rachel Cruze? Colonel.
0:52 George Kamel? Because Merica.
0:53 Rachel Cruze? Merica.
0:54 George Kamel? I don't know why that word is spelled that way. It's very frustrating, but it's a delicious drink. Stick around till the end. We'll give you our rating and reveal the cost per glass.
1:01 Rachel Cruze? That's right. Okay, so I think we should start off this by one of these questions that people ask a lot. And I'm going to ask you, George, what were you thinking? You told us about something recently, and I literally was floored. And I thought, George, maybe you're doing it for content. Maybe you're doing it for experience. But George, can I just give the punchline?
1:19 George Kamel? Yeah.
1:20 Rachel Cruze? Was an Instacart shopper. Yes.
1:22 George Kamel? Recently.
1:23 Rachel Cruze? Was, like a month ago.
1:25 George Kamel? Yeah, I signed up.
1:27 Rachel Cruze? Because you're on Baby Step 7, so
1:29 George Kamel? So, yeah, they're confused. Because generally, you'd be doing the side hustle to hit a short-term financial goal. We're trying to get out of debt, so I'm taking all the jobs I can. This was not the case with me. I did it for fun, like a sociopath. But here's what happened.
1:43 Rachel Cruze? So part of it was motivation, though, because of the job you do. And we talk about side hustles a lot, right? So actually, you're a very selfless person.
1:50 George Kamel? Thank you for saying that. You're the first.
1:53 Rachel Cruze? And then also, tell us about the shopping experience.
1:55 George Kamel? Okay.
1:55 Rachel Cruze? How hard is an Instacart shopper?
1:57 George Kamel? We might need all day to talk about it. Y'all, it is not for the faint of heart. It sounds, I was like, I can grocery shop. It's not that hard. Little did I know, I'd be at the Sprouts Bulk Bin at 9:30 at night, picking out licorice with a plastic tong, and they're all stuck together.
2:12 Rachel Cruze? Oh, no!
2:12 George Kamel? I had the most, every experience was horrific.
2:17 George Kamel? Everyone had its own unique little challenge.
2:19 Rachel Cruze? Oh no.
2:20 George Kamel? I thought, oh, a prescription from Publix. This should be easy. I don't, I can just get the prescription, deliver the prescription. Nope, they have to be home to sign off legally. Otherwise, you go to jail.
2:31 Rachel Cruze? Oh no.
2:32 George Kamel? So I'm knocking on the door. Seven dogs are barking at me through the glass. I'm frightened for my life. I'm calling her, calling her. She's like, I'm at a concert. I'm like, well, lady, I can't give you the prescription unless you're home. She says, what do you mean? I need the prescription. I was like, oh, my gosh, is this lady gonna die on my watch? So then I'm like, I'm in a conundrum. So I go back to Publix.
2:51 Rachel Cruze? It's a medical emergency.
2:52 George Kamel? And I have to make it back to Publix Pharmacy to return it in time so that she can even pick it up in the morning.
2:57 Rachel Cruze? Oh, no. Why did she do that, though? That's her fault.
3:00 George Kamel? Thank you.
3:01 Rachel Cruze? Americans.
3:02 George Kamel? So there was just every, at every turn. And then it was like, I'm going to the nicest neighborhoods I've ever been into. I'm surprised they even let me in. Gated communities. I need to find a code. There's no, they didn't give me a code.
3:12 Rachel Cruze? Oh, no.
3:13 George Kamel? $3 tip, Rachel. $3 tip.
3:16 Rachel Cruze? No.
3:17 George Kamel? I'm lugging gallons of water.
3:18 Rachel Cruze? Shame on you. I'm not about shame, but shame on you all in a gated community.
3:22 George Kamel? And can I tell you?
3:23 Rachel Cruze? That tipped $3 to little George.
3:24 George Kamel? You know the community well, Rachel. It wasn't your neighborhood.
3:28 Rachel Cruze? No, but it was the blank.
3:32 George Kamel? A ritzy community. $3 tip for little old George lugging all those gallons of water.
3:37 Rachel Cruze? That is terrible. Can I say? It makes me feel better. Cause I, we really don't Instacart anymore. I will do Costco. Cause sometimes I'm like, I don't have time on Saturdays to go and do my full run. So that is one time I will. But I do a percentage. And I do like a, like a 15, 20 percent. I mean, I, a lot of our bill goes through that tip.
3:53 George Kamel? $3.
3:54 Rachel Cruze? But you know what? I always get a, thank you for the great tip. And I remember being like, okay, okay. Until I heard your story that people only tip $3.
4:01 George Kamel? Yeah.
4:01 Rachel Cruze? Now, did you?
4:02 George Kamel? That happened multiple times.
4:03 Rachel Cruze? Did you just pick them up like a thing of bananas?
4:05 George Kamel? No, I'm, I'm telling you, there was gallons upon gallons of waters and, I mean, I had to make multiple trips to the trunk just to carry this stuff.
4:12 Rachel Cruze? So bad.
4:13 George Kamel? One of the, my last Instacart run, $0 tip.
4:17 Rachel Cruze? No, they didn't even tip you.
4:18 George Kamel? $0, and this was like, I'm texting back and forth.
4:20 Rachel Cruze? Will they pay you, though, like an hourly thing? Or is it strictly just tips?
4:23 George Kamel? So you get, you get paid for the trip, which is minimal. And then you also get tipped on top of that. And there can be bonuses that based on the time of day and peak hours and all that. So I'll tell you what I made over doing this. I counted the hours. I did five total hours. I made $149. Not in one day, over the course of a week or two.
4:41 Rachel Cruze? But five hours.
4:42 George Kamel? Five total hours.
4:42 Rachel Cruze? You made this sound like a 48 hour. Deal.
4:46 George Kamel? No, I was doing this for about a week or two.
4:48 Rachel Cruze? Okay, five hours and how much, sorry?
4:50 George Kamel? A hundred and forty-nine dollars.
4:52 Rachel Cruze? Okay.
4:52 George Kamel? And they guaranteed, like, hey, you'll do seven trips, you're guaranteed to make a hundred bucks on those seven trips.
4:58 Rachel Cruze? Yeah.
4:58 George Kamel? And so I didn't even hit the minimum and they ended up giving me the full amount.
5:02 Rachel Cruze? Okay.
5:02 George Kamel? Plus tips. And I did get a secret tip from the lady about the prescription because she felt really bad.
5:07 Rachel Cruze? Oh, that's sweet.
5:08 George Kamel? She insisted.
5:09 Rachel Cruze? Yeah, that's fair.
5:10 George Kamel? So, yeah.
5:10 Rachel Cruze? Uh, kid, do you recommend it?
5:13 George Kamel? Here's the good part, didn't have to deal with like people in my vehicle, right? So if that's you.
5:18 Rachel Cruze? Like Uber or something, yeah.
5:20 George Kamel? Uber, there's like strangers getting in and out of your car, I get the, especially for ladies, that would make me uncomfortable. I don't want my wife out there, you know, picking up strangers. So, in that regard, it's better. Because it's kind of on your own time, you know, you're in a Kroger at nine-thirty at night, just going, hey, man, they're out of Diet Starry, is Diet Sprite, you know, like, you're dealing with all the, what's out of stock in the store, you're hoping they get back to you in time. So it was kind of annoying and stressful.
5:45 Rachel Cruze? Yep.
5:45 George Kamel? Well, I realized, like, I'm a good shopper, like, I would never ask someone to go, I was in the bulk bin scooping rice, weighing it to get exactly one pound of wild rice for them.
5:54 Rachel Cruze? Oh, shoot, yes.
5:55 George Kamel? Exactly one pound of red licorice. And I thought, what psychopath, are they doing this to torture me? Do they know it's me specifically on the other end?
6:02 Rachel Cruze? Oh, man.
6:03 George Kamel? So it ended up being about thirty bucks an hour.
6:05 Rachel Cruze? Okay.
6:06 George Kamel? To that, I say, that's a good side hustle. Thirty bucks an hour, that's...
6:10 Rachel Cruze? But it's work.
6:11 George Kamel? But it is work.
6:12 Rachel Cruze? Which is a job.
6:13 George Kamel? Yes.
6:13 Rachel Cruze? Yeah.
6:14 George Kamel? And that's before, you know, that's not counting the wear and tear in the vehicle, the gas, whatever.
6:18 Rachel Cruze? That's right.
6:19 George Kamel? I drive an electric car, the gas was not a problem for me.
6:21 Rachel Cruze? Yep, yep.
6:22 George Kamel? But it was work. And every time I left the house, my wife was like, why are you doing this again? I'm like, for fun slash content, listen.
6:30 George Kamel? It really was just an experiment.
6:32 Rachel Cruze? No, I think, and I appreciate that, good for you, George.
6:34 George Kamel? Yeah.
6:35 Rachel Cruze? You know?
6:35 George Kamel? I'm willing to do the work.
6:36 Rachel Cruze? So, yeah, I mean, the truth is, some jobs require more of you, some you're gonna make more money than others, but it's understanding, like, your time is money.
6:43 George Kamel? Yes.
6:43 Rachel Cruze? So where's your time better spent? I think it's a whole strategic play of all of this.
6:47 George Kamel? And I found that the more you're willing to get out there and bust your butt, the more you're gonna make. You can take surveys at home and make four cents, you know, for every survey, or you can go do Instacart and, you know, have a little grief, but make thirty bucks an hour.
7:01 Rachel Cruze? That's so good. I know, and I hate to say it, George, you have more life experience than me in this arena. I mean, I can go back to like... High school, college days. I mean, I started at Ramsey right after college. So I feel like I've been in the like nine to five world for most of my.
7:13 George Kamel? Yeah, you grew up fast.
7:14 Rachel Cruze? For most of my life. No, but I think back even in high, in high school and stuff, I worked at Libby Lou. You know, the little boutique within.
7:21 George Kamel? We didn't have this in Massachusetts, but in the South, this was a delicacy.
7:25 Rachel Cruze? It was, yeah.
7:25 George Kamel? What's the closest store you can think of that's mainstream?
7:28 Rachel Cruze? Oh, that's a good.
7:28 George Kamel? It was like a limited to vibe?
7:32 Rachel Cruze? It wasn't a clothing store. It was like a, it was like a Claire's that would do your hair and makeup, if you will.
7:37 George Kamel? Oh.
7:37 Rachel Cruze? Uh huh. But I'm not great at hair and makeup. And there I was.
7:41 George Kamel? What are you doing here in makeup?
7:42 Rachel Cruze? For little girls. They didn't care.
7:44 George Kamel? Oh, it's for little girls?
7:45 Rachel Cruze? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Totally, totally, totally.
7:46 George Kamel? Got it.
7:47 Rachel Cruze? But you know, you go work for the mall and then as like teenage Rachel, then you'd go babysit or start your own business or do whatever. And you do realize the cash flow, right? So I'm like, even as a teenager, you can start to understand, okay, where will I make more money? What's going to take more of my time, more of my effort? And, and I, yeah, and it shows. And I think with side hustling, we talk about it, getting out of debt. Um, when you have these big financial goals, this is what you want to do. But again, you don't want to waste your time. And if you have the skill set to be able to do some things that bring in some serious cash, that's what we want.
8:17 George Kamel? Yep. And I've done some weird ones. Like when I was getting out of debt, I did the Nielsen people meter. You know what that is?
8:23 Rachel Cruze? No.
8:23 George Kamel? So they, they send you a little beeper.
8:25 Rachel Cruze? Yes, I do know this.
8:27 George Kamel? And you have to carry the beeper and have it on.
8:29 Rachel Cruze? Yes.
8:29 George Kamel? And it's listening to all the media you're engaging in, radio, TV, movies, whatever. And that's how Nielsen gets its ratings. When they say, hey, we had high Nielsen ratings because 30 million people watched this. That's how they're, they're basing it off of households like mine.
8:42 Rachel Cruze? Just like you.
8:42 George Kamel? So I'd carry it and they would give me like, I don't know, 30 bucks a month.
8:45 Rachel Cruze? Yeah.
8:46 George Kamel? You know, stuff like that. I was also doing music at the time. So I would make money from streaming. Uh, I would sell my music to be used in films, like wedding films. You know, if your church is making a video, you can pay to license my song.
8:58 Rachel Cruze? Yeah.
8:58 George Kamel? So I'd make some money there.
8:59 Rachel Cruze? Yeah.
8:59 George Kamel? I got a few big hits. Ford used my, two of my songs for their YouTube channel.
9:04 Rachel Cruze? No. No way.
9:06 George Kamel? They were legit. I got an email and I was like, hey, uh, it's, it might be not good enough for you, but you, are you okay with 2,500 bucks per song? For them. And I was like, yeah, we can make that work. Oh, I'm willing.
9:16 Rachel Cruze? Should have been like 3,500.
9:18 George Kamel? So I got like, you know, a few grand.
9:20 Rachel Cruze? Yeah. Did you make any after your skateboard videos on YouTube?
9:23 George Kamel? Nobody, that's unlisted. That's for my eyes only, you know? No one needs to see 15 year old George shirtless.
9:29 Rachel Cruze? 13 year old kid that you showed recently. I'll never forget that story you told recently.
9:32 George Kamel? That's true. I showed a random teenager skateboarding in the street. And I said, hey, man, I used to skate. Wanna watch my video? Forced him to watch all four and a half minutes of this. I realized afterwards, like this kid was probably just like stranger danger.
9:46 Rachel Cruze? So good. Oh, my gosh.
9:47 George Kamel? But yes, I used to make websites using Squarespace and I would charge, you know, authors and entrepreneurs and.
9:54 Rachel Cruze? George, you've been holding back all your fun stories. I had no clue.
9:57 George Kamel? I did marketing consulting for my friend's agency. I'd help launch podcasts and do branding work, all kinds of things to get out of debt.
10:03 Rachel Cruze? What was your favorite?
10:04 George Kamel? I think the marketing consulting, cause I was doing marketing at the time at Ramsey. So it was actually sharpening my skills here and helping me get better. So that's what I would tell anyone. If you have skills, you're going to enjoy it the most if you're able to use those skills to make good money. And sometimes it could turn into full-time side gig where you start your own business eventually.
10:23 Rachel Cruze? Totally. Now, those feel like realistic side hustles. There are some floating around the internets, if you will, social media especially. You know, they're a little, they're a little too good to be true. Have you seen the laundromat one?
10:34 George Kamel? Oh, yeah.
10:35 Rachel Cruze? Like, oh, like buy a laundromat?
10:37 George Kamel? They make it sound so easy, like just spend $10 and buy a laundromat and you'll make a bajillion dollars a month.
10:42 Rachel Cruze? Yes, I know.
10:43 George Kamel? And my friend recently bought a laundromat.
10:45 Rachel Cruze? No, really?
10:46 George Kamel? Him and his wife went in on it, maybe with someone else. And it's a lot of work. Well, I mean, he's, he's out there, you know, especially in the front end. They're having, you gotta fix the machines. It's not a like just super passive.
10:56 Rachel Cruze? It's not a turnkey kind of thing.
10:57 George Kamel? Yes. So hopefully, long-term, it's worth it for them, but it's, it's work.
11:01 Rachel Cruze? It's a lot. Well, I'd say the same with investment properties. People that get into this, like, oh yeah, this will be great. We'll just make some money on the side. The rent and all of it.
11:08 George Kamel? They'll pay the mortgage, Rachel. The tenants will pay.
11:11 Rachel Cruze? You know, I was just talking to one of our writers about this and she just, she sold hers. Uh, cause she, yes, it was the same kind of thing. She like moved houses. She's like, well, I'll just rent it out. She was like, I rented out to some like sweet girls. And she's like, and I would get a text, I mean, every other day about something like we saw a cockroach. Can you call an exterminator? Um, the dishwasher broke this, that she was like, it, the amount of effort it took just like to keep up with it. And then, yeah, they pay, yeah, they pay the mortgage and then a little bit more. But then everything that was extra basically went back into the house. She's like, I made no extra money really.
11:44 George Kamel? If you actually broke down the expenses, you'd be like, oh my gosh, we're kind of like breaking even. We're not really making a ton of money.
11:49 Rachel Cruze? I mean, honestly, because with real estate, you make your money at the buy, keep it, and then it gets equity. And then you sell it in 20 years. But this whole idea of like month to month, like there's just, it ends up not being a ton, right? Versus on doing something else where you are making a ton of money. So it's a, it's a little too good to be true in that way.
12:07 George Kamel? And it, it takes a lot of money. And if you're doing it largely with debt, you're putting yourself in this, in a serious bind. There's tons of risk by going, I'm gonna put nothing down on this.
12:15 Rachel Cruze? They make it look so good.
12:17 George Kamel? Well, yeah, of course. If you're selling it a course on how to invest in real estate, I'm gonna make it sound like
12:22 Rachel Cruze? They all do, I know.
12:24 George Kamel? Be like me. We retired at 23.
12:26 Rachel Cruze? Three. We don't go into a job and we have millions.
12:29 George Kamel? We're 15 million dollars in debt.
12:30 Rachel Cruze? I know. And then I'm gonna get a little, I'm usually not sensitive about this stuff at all. But it does, like, this one does orc me. I'm like, you can comment about whatever, about my family. But when it's those people and they're like, Dave Ramsey with, Dave Ramsey's wrong. We're, and then they go into like, we're 17 million dollars in debt with six VRBOs and five rental properties. And we live in the beach in Hawaii and travel to Paris and all this stuff. But they use Dave as like probably clickbait, his name.
12:56 George Kamel? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
12:56 Rachel Cruze? Yeah. And I'm just like, no, y'all, like, it's, it's not good. Not good. Not good long term.
13:01 George Kamel? Not good.
13:02 Rachel Cruze? Not as smart. Lots of risk. And we take calls on the Ramsey Show literally every day. With the last, um, show we hosted together.
13:09 George Kamel? Yes.
13:09 Rachel Cruze? Just like a few days ago. It was, wasn't it? Every call was like, lost my job. Um, a health scare. We had to move to go take care of my, like, life happens.
13:18 George Kamel? Yeah. While, while things were going well, they took on a bunch of debt going, we can afford the payments.
13:22 Rachel Cruze? It's fine. We can do this. We can do this.
13:23 George Kamel? And then life happened and they're calling us going, what do we do? We can't afford the payments anymore.
13:27 Rachel Cruze? Not good, George. Not good.
13:28 George Kamel? Never go into debt for any side hustle. How's that for advice?
13:31 Rachel Cruze? And you know, like, if you go back to like simpler times, honestly, you think about like going straight to the customer. And helping them with a service that's easy. Dog sitting, house sitting, babysitting.
13:43 George Kamel? Yes, they're tried and true. And people are willing to pay good money in your own neighborhood.
13:47 Rachel Cruze? And can I say this? I, I pay a good amount for babysitting.
13:51 George Kamel? Yeah.
13:52 Rachel Cruze? Cause I do love a great babysitter. So I'm like, I will pay them well, or what I think as well. You know, and, and you watch your, you know, you watch a kid for four hours and you make more than Instacart. I mean, right? If you find a great family.
14:04 George Kamel? Oh, a hundred percent.
14:05 Rachel Cruze? I don't know. I'm telling you, it's the way to do it. Or house sitting. People will pay for you to just sleep at their house while they're gone.
14:11 George Kamel? Watch things, feed the plants for me.
14:13 Rachel Cruze? Yeah, water those plants.
14:15 George Kamel? Yeah. And dog sitting is a great one. I mean, you know, we pay a, a dog sitter when we're out of town. We do some doggy daycare at, at her house and she makes great money as a side hustle. And it's just fun money for her.
14:24 Rachel Cruze? Yes, and there's some apps and stuff that you can find to like find families in your area. But honestly, I think that stuff is like, that's where you make some good money.
14:31 George Kamel? So sometimes it's just, don't overthink it. The side hustle that's right in front of you might be the best one.
14:36 Rachel Cruze? That's exactly right. Okay, so George, if you had to start over today, choose a totally different career. If you had like a completely different life than as a Ramsey personality, what would you be doing?
14:46 George Kamel? Oh my gosh, okay, I'm trying to think of, I need lucrative job, low impact, high reward. I'm not the most athletic, so I don't want to do physical labor. So that takes out a lot of side jobs.
14:57 Rachel Cruze? Okay.
14:58 George Kamel? I'm gonna use my brain. I'm gonna go consulting. I feel like consultants make a lot of money and you're like, what do you do though?
15:05 Rachel Cruze? What do you do? I'm a business consultant. Uh huh.
15:07 George Kamel? That's what I would do. And my Instagram bio would say entrepreneur slash consultant slash DJ probably.
15:15 George Kamel? But I'd get gigs. I, at this juncture, but here's the thing, no one's gonna consult with a 23 year old, George.
15:21 Rachel Cruze? No, but you now, with all your life experience?
15:22 George Kamel? But now with all of my life experience, people would pay dozens of dollars.
15:26 Rachel Cruze? Dozens of dollars to do that.
15:28 George Kamel? But that, how about you?
15:29 Rachel Cruze? Yeah, uh.
15:30 George Kamel? I'm trying to think of what you're good at. I'm struggling, I'm struggling, I'm kidding.
15:34 Rachel Cruze? Here's, for, okay, so in my dream job, which would take me years to work up the ladder. So this wouldn't answer the question, but I'm gonna give you.
15:42 George Kamel? You can still do it, Mary Kay's still around.
15:45 George Kamel? I believe in you.
15:46 Rachel Cruze? Oh my gosh.
15:46 George Kamel? You're gonna get the Cadillac.
15:47 Rachel Cruze? Is I would be some kind of political correspondent.
15:49 George Kamel? Okay.
15:50 Rachel Cruze? For a network. Like, it's always been like my side dream. Like, I would like follow campaigns around. I would be in the middle of everything. Uh, but that takes a while to get like a good slot.
15:59 George Kamel? To build up.
16:00 Rachel Cruze? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But what I would do now is I wonder if I could start a, like a social media political account.
16:07 George Kamel? Oh, like political news?
16:09 Rachel Cruze? Yes. I don't know.
16:10 George Kamel? But through an entertaining filter?
16:12 Rachel Cruze? Get some political sponsors around, I know. Not political parties sponsoring, but...
16:16 George Kamel? Would it be like a nonpartisan situation?
16:18 Rachel Cruze? Oh, totally. Yeah, that's my thing. Cause I'm like, both sides. And I really do believe, I mean genuinely, I'm like, bring it both. Cause it's like, I'm gonna throw off both. So then, so then your pool is wider.
16:28 George Kamel? Make everyone agree, yeah.
16:28 Rachel Cruze? Right? You don't wanna be selective. Big pool people? Viewership? I don't know. What do you think?
16:34 George Kamel? I think influencer would be an easier choice for you. I think you'd be great at that. You know, but can't you, like a mom influencer, you know? Of like, hey, like here's the...
16:41 Rachel Cruze? Yeah, you know, but all this combined, I followed around when I was at the inauguration for 24 hours and did a lot of stories, a lot of stories. I was very tired.
16:49 George Kamel? I saw them all.
16:50 Rachel Cruze? I was very tired.
16:51 George Kamel? It's exhausting.
16:52 Rachel Cruze? It's very tired.
16:53 George Kamel? Yeah, can I just say, being an influencer is not easy. People imagine like, oh, you just get to do an Instagram post a day. Listen, you get that camera set up at 6 a.m. to get ready with me, that's work.
17:03 Rachel Cruze? And I would say this. I would say this. I don't wanna, cause I follow, I know some influencers and they're wonderful people. Like, this is not a knock on that industry by any means. But you have to be a very disciplined person not to lose your soul. Because like literally y'all, I mean, like I'm getting my makeup done and I told, I've never done this before, but I was like, Winston, take my camera. You gotta take pictures of, like, we gotta, we gotta get this whole thing, like...
17:25 George Kamel? Oh, no.
17:26 Rachel Cruze? Cause you gotta involve your fam, like, do you know what I mean? Like, if you're...
17:29 George Kamel? Takes a village.
17:30 Rachel Cruze? And your, your money is, your, like, the money you're making is dependent upon that? Of your own personal life?
17:39 Rachel Cruze? I'm having like a panic attack right now thinking about it.
17:41 George Kamel? Well, then TikTok's like, hey, we may not exist anymore. And you're like, well, there goes half my income.
17:45 Rachel Cruze? Yes, and then that's right. Y'all, George.
17:49 George Kamel? I'm not for it.
17:50 Rachel Cruze? Just keep, please watch Smart Money Happy Hour. Let us keep doing our jobs.
17:55 George Kamel? I will say, I did Uber and Lyft for a while while I was getting out of debt, too. I did both of those.
17:59 Rachel Cruze? Okay.
17:59 George Kamel? And it wasn't the worst. I just found that I didn't want to go out late at night, even though that's when the money's to be made, because I didn't want to deal with inebriated people.
18:06 Rachel Cruze? I agree, yeah.
18:07 George Kamel? You know, and I gotta tell, hey, can you not bring that Miller Lite into my car? Please.
18:12 Rachel Cruze? That Bush Light, that can?
18:14 George Kamel? On Broadway in Nashville at 11 o'clock. That's when I kind of was like, I think I'm done with this.
18:18 Rachel Cruze? Yeah.
18:19 George Kamel? You know?
18:19 Rachel Cruze? It's a brave soul to go down there.
18:20 George Kamel? Thank you. But that's when people do rides.
18:23 Rachel Cruze? Not you, not you, the people that do it.
18:24 George Kamel? I'm so brave. Honestly, Broadway is my worst nightmare, so the fact that I went there for fun, to make money.
18:32 Rachel Cruze? Terrible.
18:33 George Kamel? Attracts.
18:33 Rachel Cruze? Terrible. Yeah, well, you know, what else I feel like is so important, though, is because when you are online, you're doing Uber, Instacart, like so much money is made online, like we're talking about. And also, all of our information is online. And so protecting that is so key. That's why I love and use, you love and use Delete Me.
18:53 George Kamel? Yes.
18:54 Rachel Cruze? Because it's a service that goes in and removes all of your information. So, I mean, your job history, your email addresses, phone numbers, names. I mean, it's just crazy what is out there on the internet. And Delete Me goes in and removes all your information from data broker websites that sell that data to other companies and make money off of you. So Delete Me goes and removes all of it.
19:13 George Kamel? Yeah, I was just harkening back to when I was a victim of fraud way back in the day, before Delete Me existed, probably. And I just think if I had Delete Me, I wonder if it would have happened.
19:21 Rachel Cruze? Yeah.
19:22 George Kamel? If they had deleted my address off the web and all, you know, they had everything. They had all of my information. So Delete Me really helped me sleep better at night. And it's a great thing for you, for the family. They have really affordable plans, and it is worth every penny.
19:35 Rachel Cruze? Yep, so good.
19:36 George Kamel? Go check them out. Go to joindelete.me/smartmoney. They're giving our listeners 20% off any of their plans. That's a deal.
19:43 Rachel Cruze? Yeah, and their plans start as low as like $9 a month.
19:45 George Kamel? I guess we'll put the link in the description as well. Let's do that for the people. Make it easy on them. Who wants to remember a link?
19:50 Rachel Cruze? Convenience, that's what we're looking for. So yeah, we tell people a lot to get their income up, especially you know, when they are getting out of debt, getting an emergency fund, these like short-term money goals, which is really key. And you know, at Ramsey, we have some other resources that kind of help get that ball rolling to find some extra margin. Uh, one of those is the Every Dollar Budgeting app. Like when you're budgeting and you know where your money is actually going, you find more margin faster doing it versus just living kind of like on a whim. Uh, and then also the 24 hour money challenge. So this is a great one too. So we'll put all these links down below for you to do. Um, because that one, it really expands to, to look at your whole money picture to say, okay, where are you overspending, underspending, like looking
20:35 Rachel Cruze? at everything to find margin.
20:36 George Kamel? In 24 hours.
20:37 Rachel Cruze? Yeah.
20:37 George Kamel? A short amount of time, just quick wins.
20:40 Rachel Cruze? Some quick wins.
20:40 George Kamel? So go check that out for sure.
20:42 Rachel Cruze? Yes. But if you are looking to increase your income with the side hustle, there's some factors that you need to think about.
20:48 George Kamel? Yes. So some people have a lot of skills in their resume. Others have very niche, more limited skills that you may not be able to use. And so knowing this, we created a side hustle quiz to help people determine what kind of part-time work, side hustles might make sense for them, their money goals, how much time they have. And so we've, we kind of put it into different buckets. There's the high skill, high time. I got a lot of skills and a lot of time to do it. There's high skill, low time. And then there's limited skill, high time, and finally, limited skill, low time.
21:16 Rachel Cruze? Yes.
21:16 George Kamel? And so there's something for everyone out there. And we did this quiz for ourselves because we walk the walk, Rachel. Can we share our results?
21:23 Rachel Cruze? Yes.
21:24 George Kamel? I think it's very telling, very telling when we see the results.
21:26 Rachel Cruze? This is really good, actually. Yep. So.
21:29 George Kamel? So you kind of get like a, a character.
21:32 Rachel Cruze? And it's a, and it's a, it's a quiz that will take probably what, three to four minutes?
21:36 George Kamel? Yeah.
21:36 Rachel Cruze? So yeah, so it's, it helps you, but you gotta, you gotta take that quiz. Um, so mine, I ended up in the professional segment. Where did you end up?
21:44 George Kamel? Must be nice. I got the limited edition because I have a lot of talent to offer, but I'm also very busy. Very busy.
21:52 Rachel Cruze? Okay. So for me, my in-person side hustles, consulting, George.
21:57 George Kamel? You're living my dream?
21:58 Rachel Cruze? Uh, nannying for me. Such a good mom.
22:01 George Kamel? Can you imagine?
22:01 Rachel Cruze? My gosh. Uh, event planning.
22:05 Rachel Cruze? I wish it said slash travel agent, I would.
22:07 George Kamel? I could actually see you though, planning like luxury weddings.
22:10 Rachel Cruze? I could do, yeah, the, the event planning, I don't know, luxury travel.
22:15 George Kamel? Alright.
22:15 Rachel Cruze? All day.
22:16 George Kamel? That fits in that category.
22:17 Rachel Cruze? All day. Um, and then working part-time, like exploring just a new career path. So my at-home side hustles, teaching English, and they even give you a link, um, to a company you can sign up to help you get started, which is great.
22:30 George Kamel? Love it.
22:30 Rachel Cruze? Freelancing, um, and then starting your own online business. So this would be fun. Trying to do something like, um, like an Etsy or a course or something, I don't know.
22:41 George Kamel? I'm into it. Okay, I got the limited edition.
22:43 Rachel Cruze? A course, I can't do a course, you'd make fun of me for a course.
22:45 George Kamel? I wouldn't make fun of you. If it was a course for something useful.
22:47 Rachel Cruze? Yeah, that's fair.
22:48 George Kamel? You know, just not a course on how to make money doing courses, then I would make fun of you.
22:52 Rachel Cruze? Yeah.
22:53 George Kamel? You know what I mean? But if it was like how to rearrange your closet and, you know, live the life you love and dress accordingly on a budget, I'd be like, yeah, that's great. You could walk people through.
23:02 Rachel Cruze? Thanks George, you're good at marketing.
23:05 George Kamel? That was just, I'm just spitballing. That one's free. So I did get the limited edition, cause I am very busy, but very talented. In-person side hustles. This, these are so funny, cause it could not be further from the truth for me.
23:19 Rachel Cruze? Okay.
23:20 George Kamel? First one, indoor/outdoor home maintenance and repair.
23:24 George Kamel? Hey, to be fair though, I am good at like, like, I could get, you know what I could do? Smart home. I could get you a smart home.
23:32 Rachel Cruze? Yeah, that is true. You could.
23:33 George Kamel? Pick the right products. I will not install the doorbell, but I can help you choose the right doorbell and get your app running, going. You know, getting it connected to the wifi, all that stuff.
23:41 Rachel Cruze? My toilet's making weird noises. George is like, I don't know.
23:44 George Kamel? Find an app for that.
23:45 Rachel Cruze? I don't know.
23:46 George Kamel? That's a fun one. Another one, also, I would be great at, babysitting.
23:51 Rachel Cruze? I got nanny, you got babysitting.
23:52 George Kamel? Listen, kids think I'm cool. So I, I just like, hey.
23:55 Rachel Cruze? You know what? You drew pictures with Amelia like three years ago. She still remembers that.
23:59 George Kamel? She remembers. I did draw pictures with her during a live event.
24:02 Rachel Cruze? At a random event?
24:03 George Kamel? Yeah.
24:03 Rachel Cruze? George got on the floor with her and they were like drawing pictures together and she still talks about it.
24:06 George Kamel? We had a competition, who could draw.
24:07 Rachel Cruze? She's like, there's George.
24:08 George Kamel? It was who could draw a better horse.
24:09 Rachel Cruze? Ah.
24:11 George Kamel? She won. I let her win, but she did win.
24:16 George Kamel? Let's not do that one. Photography, I am good. That's something that was a love of mine.
24:19 Rachel Cruze? Yep.
24:20 George Kamel? Is photography, film, and so I have some nice cameras. I could do that on the side for sure. And then at-home side hustles, freelancing, which I've done a lot of, tutoring. So I could use online tutoring sites to do that, and transcribing. I am a good typer. Like, do you ever use Mavis Beacon Teachers Typing? Remember that software? I think my dad got it for me. He's in the crowd today. Shouting out to the crowd, "Hey!"
24:41 Rachel Cruze? Hey!
24:42 George Kamel? Yeah, I always loved to, you could try to work on your words per minute, and it would also track accuracy.
24:46 Rachel Cruze? Yeah. What was it called?
24:48 George Kamel? Mavis Beacon Teachers Typing. If you know, you know.
24:51 Rachel Cruze? Was it yellow? Was the box? Do you remember when our computer softwares or games would come in a box, y'all? And you would open the box and take the disc out and put it in? Do you remember that? Is that what you're talking about?
25:03 George Kamel? Um, this was, uh, this was-
25:04 Rachel Cruze? Show me, show it to me, because this could be a-
25:06 George Kamel? Okay, they'll put it on the screen as well, editors, but this was my-
25:09 Rachel Cruze? Oh!
25:09 George Kamel? She looks AI now, looking back. I don't think she was real.
25:12 Rachel Cruze? She does look AI.
25:13 George Kamel? Yeah, I don't think that's a real person, but... Maybe she isn't, she's just perfect and beautiful. I don't know. But yeah, Mavis Beacon is the one who taught me how to type.
25:21 Rachel Cruze? Okay.
25:22 George Kamel? So go take it for yourself. Can I just say that? Go take the quiz and let us know in the comments-
25:26 Rachel Cruze? For sure, yes.
25:26 George Kamel? What you got as your results.
25:28 Rachel Cruze? And you know what? While you're taking the quiz, you should be comfortable while you're taking that quiz in your Cozy Earth PJs.
25:35 George Kamel? I wish being cozy was a side hustle. I had crush-
25:37 Rachel Cruze? I would crush it, make so much money, especially with Cozy Earth.
25:40 George Kamel? We could be models for Cozy Earth.
25:42 Rachel Cruze? We should, legitimately.
25:44 George Kamel? We're available.
25:45 Rachel Cruze? I have so much Cozy Earth stuff now at our house. I mean, I really do.
25:48 George Kamel? That you could be a mom.
25:49 Rachel Cruze? And I've been giving it as gifts now, because it's literally like, it's some of my favorite stuff. Because it feels like such good quality. I know if I'm giving it to someone, I'm like, "You're gonna love it." Uh, but the pajamas, joggers, I'm, I'll always shout out the socks. Once I bought the socks.
26:02 George Kamel? I need to try out the socks.
26:03 Rachel Cruze? One foot says cozy, one foot says Earth on the top.
26:06 George Kamel? I love it.
26:07 Rachel Cruze? So good, it's so great.
26:08 George Kamel? So classy. So go check out their products. They're giving our listeners and viewers up to 40% off when you use the promo code SMARTMONEY at checkout. And they really do make just wonderful products.
26:19 Rachel Cruze? They do, from blankets, sheets.
26:20 George Kamel? I need to get my own PJ set. I got my wife one, and now I'm a little jealous, because her new thing is to live in PJ sets. Every night, a new PJ set.
26:28 Rachel Cruze? Ah.
26:28 George Kamel? I'm out here in my Kirkland sweatpants and an old t-shirt.
26:31 Rachel Cruze? What are you doing?
26:32 George Kamel? I gotta live a little.
26:33 Rachel Cruze? Well, it's funny because my Cozy Earth PJs are my navy ones. And I, and it feels like sacred. I'm like, there's over there. And if like, if I feel gross at night, I'm not gonna show her. I don't wear them. Like, they're, they're only like, they're my good ones. You know what I mean? It's that feeling of like-
26:46 George Kamel? Savor it.
26:46 Rachel Cruze? They are. I know. They're special.
26:48 George Kamel? CozyEarth.com, promo code SMARTMONEY. We'll link in the description as well.
26:52 Rachel Cruze? Okay, so one of your favorite pastimes, not mine, is to go to Reddit.
26:56 George Kamel? That feels like a veiled threat.
26:57 Rachel Cruze? I've been to Reddit maybe twice in my whole life.
27:00 George Kamel? Well, you're an American hero. I want you to know that. You're better than all of us.
27:04 Rachel Cruze? Really, really doing well in life. Uh, and, but you can go there to find whatever you need to find. So we typed in like crazy side hustles on Reddit. And there's some, there's some funny ones, y'all.
27:16 George Kamel? Okay, we're gonna rate these, one, one to 10.
27:18 Rachel Cruze? Okay.
27:18 George Kamel? Odd jobs from Craigslist. Here's the quote, "I've done everything from local fruit delivery to working a dinosaur exposition." That's a 10 for me.
27:26 Rachel Cruze? Oh, for sure. Charles, this is what my son will do. He will do a dinosaur exposition. That's amazing. Well done.
27:33 George Kamel? What is the exposition part?
27:34 Rachel Cruze? I bet you're touring like a place where dinosaur fossils were found in Denver, which-
27:40 George Kamel? Not that you've ever done that. Not that it was a terrible experience.
27:44 Rachel Cruze? We went on a dinosaur tour in Denver, y'all. Supposedly it was where the first, um, oh shoot, stegosaurus was found on Earth. And it's my son's favorite dinosaur. So we bought-
27:55 George Kamel? You're telling me geographically, in the entire world?
27:58 Rachel Cruze? Google it. That's what they claim, in Denver. Yes.
28:01 George Kamel? The first stego found in Denver.
28:02 Rachel Cruze? Yes, yes. And then they, and then it's a little bait and switch, you know? Because they're like, come see a stegosaurus. So we're like, you know what? We'll pay for it. Because it was a good setup. It's right by the red rocks in Denver. I'm like, okay, and I, if you work for this company, it's great. It's fine. I don't wanna bash them.
28:23 George Kamel? It's not your Yelp review.
28:24 Rachel Cruze? But you go. And then they're like, look at the side of this rock. Do you see all the footprints? Y'all?
28:31 George Kamel? There is no footprints.
28:32 Rachel Cruze? It's just a rock. And you're like, yeah.
28:35 George Kamel? And that's where Jesus carried the dinosaur.
28:37 Rachel Cruze? And they have.
28:38 George Kamel? That's, you don't see it. He was carrying the dinosaur.
28:41 Rachel Cruze? And then you go through an hour tour and you stop at all these things that are kinda eh. And then finally, they're like, do you wanna see bones from a stegosaurus? And once they're like, thank God, yes. Yes, we do. And you expect like a-
28:54 George Kamel? A full stego.
28:57 Rachel Cruze? Nope.
28:57 George Kamel? It's not, just a bone.
28:58 Rachel Cruze? It's another rock with a thing sticking out.
29:01 George Kamel? Confossilized.
29:01 Rachel Cruze? And they're just like, there's the leg, you know, the, mm, you know.
29:06 George Kamel? That's so sad.
29:07 Rachel Cruze? Okay, how about this, creating online resources. I developed a WordPress plugin to solve an issue I faced. Uploaded it and made it public for others, added a donation link, was making fifty to a hundred dollars a month, realized a lot of people were using it, spent more time on it, added more features and detailed support, and eventually launched the pro version. And it recently, oh my gosh, crossed a three hundred thousand dollars in lifetime revenue.
29:32 George Kamel? That's amazing.
29:33 Rachel Cruze? Good night.
29:34 George Kamel? Way to go. And as someone who's used WordPress, it is the worst. And you need seventeen plugins to make your website work. And if someone tweaks one plugin, your entire website crashes.
29:44 Rachel Cruze? Not good.
29:44 George Kamel? So God bless the, you know, he was like, hey, I'm gonna, I'm gonna solve this problem. Or she. Where my women developers out there, where you at? Make some noise.
29:54 George Kamel? All right, here's another one, reselling vintage t-shirts. Buying and reselling novelty t-shirts, within a week I was making nine hundred percent profit. So I guess you can go to like, you know, a Goodwill or something and find an old Led Zeppelin shirt and then resell it on eBay for five times what you paid for it.
30:10 Rachel Cruze? Yep, I would not be good at that. I would be good at this next one, though, selling homemade salsa at my farmer's market. It's been very lucrative and I feel so connected to my community, this person says. I make homemade salsa. Did you know this about me?
30:21 George Kamel? You made homemade?
30:22 Rachel Cruze? Yes, I do. That was a Sharon Ramsey thing. She does not buy jarred salsa.
30:25 George Kamel? So you're getting like the tomatillos, you're roasting them, you're putting them in the blender.
30:29 Rachel Cruze? No, for the green salsa, salsa verde, you do that. No, but for the other ones, it's just like, it's tomatoes, onion, jalapeno, garlic, a little bit of tomato sauce, if you kind of want to make it a little bit thicker, some cumin, salt and pepper.
30:41 George Kamel? Wow.
30:42 Rachel Cruze? And it's great, but it's very fast, in the blender, put it in a mason jar.
30:46 George Kamel? So you're never buying Tostitos salsa?
30:48 Rachel Cruze? I do sometimes now, don't tell Sharon. But, but it's a, but salsa's an easy thing to make, and if people love it, selling it, it's great.
30:55 George Kamel? I'd just rather go to a Mexican restaurant, you know, support a local business, Rachel.
30:58 Rachel Cruze? Oh my gosh.
31:00 George Kamel? There you go. Here's another one. Making lava rock aquarium ornaments. Not on my bingo card, but all of those words together. It just kept getting more insane. Like making lava, okay, making lava, lava rock, lava rock aquarium, followed by ornaments. It got cra- brings in 400 to 700 bucks a month.
31:19 Rachel Cruze? Good night.
31:20 George Kamel? Which tells you, there's a lot of people out there.
31:22 Rachel Cruze? Looking for rock aquarium ornaments.
31:26 George Kamel? I don't even know what that would look like.
31:27 Rachel Cruze? Is that, no, that's not Christmas ornaments on the tree.
31:30 George Kamel? That's what I'm wondering. Is it like things you put in the tank to make it cuter for the fish?
31:35 Rachel Cruze? Oh.
31:36 George Kamel? It's all about aesthetics.
31:37 Rachel Cruze? That's it.
31:38 George Kamel? In the aquarium world.
31:39 Rachel Cruze? Uh, woodworking, you know, you can build, gosh, you know, workbenches, tables, all of it, and you could make $50,000 in three years. This person did.
31:47 George Kamel? That's not bad for a side hustle. And to be fair, one of the most ancient side hustles. I mean, Jesus was out there, you know? Here's another one for you I think you'd be great at. With your music knowledge, DJing. This person said, brings in 400 bucks a month. That's not bad. You could, you know, we have some friends here who DJ, and you can make great money, weddings, parties, and as long as you have a good playlist.
32:09 Rachel Cruze? I would be the app, y'all, I would be the worst DJ.
32:12 George Kamel? Just find, literally. Search on Spotify for wedding playlist and hit play.
32:18 Rachel Cruze? Oh my gosh.
32:19 George Kamel? You could do that.
32:20 Rachel Cruze? I'm, yeah, we were talking about the Grammys earlier today with the team. I'm like, I don't know any, I know no one. Literally, my Spotify is the goodness of God and Taylor Swift. That's like all, it's all it's on. I love the goodness of God. I love that song by Bethel. So good.
32:34 George Kamel? You gotta get into that theology. There's a lot that went on there and yet not enough. You know what I mean? It's only two, so it's either like worship music or Taylor Swift. There's no in-between.
32:45 Rachel Cruze? I mean, sometimes in Christ alone, if I'm feeling like old school, but like, it's the goodness of God. And then, yeah.
32:52 George Kamel? So your Spotify rap was real sad. It was like, you need a life.
32:56 Rachel Cruze? All I do is listen to Audible in my car. I don't listen to music.
32:59 George Kamel? Okay, you're a better person than us. We get it.
33:01 Rachel Cruze? No, I was just like.
33:02 George Kamel? I'm constantly learning.
33:03 Rachel Cruze? No, my books are about murder and kidnapping and yeah, it's not good. Like, my books aren't great.
33:08 George Kamel? Okay.
33:08 Rachel Cruze? Definitely more in the Taylor Swift genre than the goodness of God.
33:11 George Kamel? Yeah, what is your favorite genre of music, would you say?
33:16 George Kamel? Pop?
33:18 Rachel Cruze? Yeah.
33:20 George Kamel? You said it like I validated you after years of struggle.
33:23 Rachel Cruze? Yeah, it is pop. You know what?
33:26 George Kamel? That's fine.
33:26 Rachel Cruze? Yeah, I mean, um, I mean, I, gosh, it's such a hard question. I don't, I don't know. Yes, I think, I think it would be like, like, give me a 2003 playlist and that is my happy spot.
33:39 George Kamel? Okay, so now that's what I call music 2003.
33:43 Rachel Cruze? I would be so happy with that. Yeah.
33:44 George Kamel? That's what I'm getting you for Christmas.
33:46 Rachel Cruze? Like, give me like, yeah, give me like a Sister Hazel, like a, yeah, that genre.
33:52 George Kamel? Because 20 years ago was the last time you listened to anything relevant. Got it. Okay. That helps me.
33:57 Rachel Cruze? I know.
33:58 George Kamel? Give us one more, Rachel, why don't you?
33:59 Rachel Cruze? All right, how about, um, contract furniture assembly? And this is a good one. So this person made a thousand dollars a week to show up with a fancy drill. And yeah, basically just put together some Wayfair stuff for customers and made a thousand dollars a week. Now, I would pay for this legitimately.
34:16 George Kamel? Yeah, and I love their end quote. I had no idea people were so scared of putting their own furniture together. That's real talk.
34:21 Rachel Cruze? Make some money that way.
34:23 George Kamel? If I'm sitting on it, in it, my kids are in it, I need that thing built well. And I built a playset for, for my daughter. It took two of us, I think, two hours. It's exhausting.
34:32 Rachel Cruze? Have you done a kitchen, one of those kitchens for Mia yet?
34:34 George Kamel? No, I'm too scared.
34:35 Rachel Cruze? You're about, oh.
34:36 George Kamel? I will hire a handyman.
34:37 Rachel Cruze? Don't do it at Christmas Eve.
34:38 George Kamel? Will Winston help me?
34:39 Rachel Cruze? Yes. Winston's great at putting stuff together.
34:42 George Kamel? But he doesn't enjoy it. He's just good at it.
34:44 Rachel Cruze? Yeah.
34:45 George Kamel? Especially if it's for someone else.
34:46 Rachel Cruze? He would help you, George. He likes you.
34:50 George Kamel? I love how real that got. Like, he would help. This is charity for him. He would do it.
34:54 Rachel Cruze? He would, he would help you, George.
34:55 George Kamel? He would take ministry time for it, but he would do it. Okay.
34:59 Rachel Cruze? He would do it.
34:59 George Kamel? That was fun. We didn't rate those, but I'm giving those all 10s. I think they're all interesting.
35:03 Rachel Cruze? Oh, yeah, from lava rock aquariums to homemade salsa. These are all great ones.
35:09 George Kamel? They all involve things that you're interested in and/or good at.
35:12 Rachel Cruze? That's what I was gonna say. Find something that you enjoy, right? And then you can make some great money.
35:17 George Kamel? I thought I enjoyed grocery shopping until I was knee deep in the bulk bin counting wild rice.
35:24 George Kamel? Just single, just going, "0.98, I gotta get to a pound or else, I don't know, they're gonna report me to the police."
35:31 Rachel Cruze? I don't know what to do. Oh, George, God bless the side hustles.
35:35 George Kamel? Just remember, here's, here's the end quote, "When you're working toward a money goal, remember, everything is just for a season." It's not your whole life.
35:40 Rachel Cruze? Yes, that's right.
35:41 George Kamel? So when it's miserable, remember the why. Remember why you're doing this. "I'm gonna get out of debt once and for all. I never want a side hustle again." That's a perfectly reasonable goal.
35:49 Rachel Cruze? Yep, I love it. All right, so before we get into Guilty as Charged, uh, this was a great drink.
35:56 George Kamel? Killer drink.
35:57 Rachel Cruze? I liked it.
35:58 George Kamel? We've had some, some duds lately, so I'm happy to say, this one's a 10 out of 10 for me. It's called the Kentucky Colonel. What's your rating?
36:04 Rachel Cruze? I'm going 10 out of 10.
36:06 George Kamel? It cannot be improved.
36:07 Rachel Cruze? Is this a drink you could go to like a normal bar and order? I always wonder with some of these, cause if they're like-
36:11 George Kamel? Here's what's gonna shock you. Two ingredients in this drink.
36:14 Rachel Cruze? No, stop it.
36:16 George Kamel? One of them, bourbon.
36:17 Rachel Cruze? Well, yeah, I would guess that.
36:20 George Kamel? That means there's only one other ingredient, Rachel, if you're doing the math at home, which is Benedictine DOM liqueur.
36:26 Rachel Cruze? Okay.
36:27 George Kamel? So just kind of an herbal liqueur in there, but it really comes together and there is an expressed lemon peel. If you wanna really go for it, express a little lemon peel over it and drop it in there. Comes out to $3.12. I assume we use some nice, high-quality bourbon in here. You do you. Recipes in the show notes. This is, I'm gonna say it right now, my favorite two-ingredient drink of all time.
36:48 Rachel Cruze? I mean, two ingredients, that's, you can't, you can't beat that. It's very impressive, very impressive. Do you think he stirs it or shakes it?
36:55 George Kamel? This is a, oh gosh, what does he do? I think it's a stirred drink. Will can prove me wrong.
37:01 Rachel Cruze? Stir it.
37:02 George Kamel? It's a stirred drink.
37:03 Rachel Cruze? Stir it together.
37:04 George Kamel? Yeah, it's not like a margarita. We're not shaking this up. Don't ruin it.
37:07 Rachel Cruze? So good, so good. All right, well now it's time for-
37:09 George Kamel? Guilty as Charged.
37:12 Rachel Cruze? And this is where our producer Kelly gives us a new Guilty as Charged question every week, and if we're guilty, we take a sip.
37:17 Speaker 02 All right, have you ever started a new job and knew immediately that it wasn't for you?
37:22 George Kamel? Mmm, it can't be Ramsey. It's awkward. Don't mention that one. You're still here.
37:28 Rachel Cruze? I've done some weird stuff at Ramsey, though, like, like, um, publishing, curriculum, sales on the phone. I've done a lot.
37:36 George Kamel? Yeah, me, I've done a lot, too. I'm trying to think of the worst of the worst.
37:40 Rachel Cruze? No, I'm gonna be honest.
37:42 George Kamel? You've enjoyed them all. You had a great time.
37:44 Rachel Cruze? No, no, no, I'm going, I'm gonna go back. Um, I think when I realized, like, okay, this would be, um-
37:53 Rachel Cruze? Like I was, when I was working at Libby Lou, I remember this, this is so embarrassing. God, I'm gonna be judged by this, but this happens. I was working there, I worked there for probably a year, but during Christmas break, I took off a lot, cuz I was like, I'm a high schooler, and I got like this thing going, I have this thing at high school going, and I got a trip with my family, I got, I mean, all of this stuff, and the boss came up to me, and they were like, "You can't take this much time off."
38:24 Rachel Cruze? And, "What, what do I do?" You know, I was like, "I, I don't know what to do, cuz I can't."
38:30 George Kamel? Quit?
38:30 Rachel Cruze? Nope, not go on the, on the family trip, I can't. In my head at the time, was like, "But my high school parties," and you know, that was the moment where I realized, you know,
38:39 George Kamel? It's not for you.
38:40 Rachel Cruze? Yeah, I don't know, I, I think I can make my own schedule babysitting, and do some other things.
38:46 Rachel Cruze? So, yeah, that was a, that was a tough one.
38:48 George Kamel? Wow. I've, I'm trying to think of the worst, I was auditing a bookstore, and I like counting inventory, was what I was doing, it was like a part-time side hustle, that was pretty miserable. I did IT work for my, uh, school over the summer, I would go and like, update all the computers, every single one.
39:05 Rachel Cruze? In high school?
39:06 George Kamel? This was a high school job, did that for a while, also miserable. But started a new job, I would say Urban Outfitters, I worked at a-
39:13 Rachel Cruze? George, you have done so much in your life, I literally was like a babysitter-
39:17 George Kamel? Doctor's office-
39:17 Rachel Cruze? For maybe six months of my life, like, I'm like, "How have you done all of this stuff?"
39:22 George Kamel? I was a doctor's office receptionist.
39:24 Rachel Cruze? No, you-
39:25 George Kamel? That was a fun one, cuz I was getting paid 12 bucks an hour.
39:28 Rachel Cruze? How long have you been at these jobs?
39:29 George Kamel? I'm 48 years old, Rachel. No, um-
39:34 Rachel Cruze? Genuinely, I feel like I had the most boring childhood. I had your integrity snacks, I started a business.
39:38 George Kamel? This is from like 15 to 23, I lived a lot of life, you know, and I moved states and all that, but my worst one, I'm gonna say, was Urban Outfitters. I got fired from the Apple Store. My parents remember this well, cuz I cried like a baby when I got fired, cuz I legit thought like, "This is my career." Like, "I gave my life to this," you know what I mean?
39:58 Rachel Cruze? Yeah.
39:58 George Kamel? I was a creative. I was training people how to use the... So I got fired from that, went to Urban Outfitters.
40:03 Rachel Cruze? Why'd you get fired?
40:04 George Kamel? Uh, really nerdy... No, it wasn't even... I wish it was juicier. I hacked a little Dell MacBook, you know, like you could get a little Dell computers, little minis. And the geniuses who fixed the computers were like, "Hey, get one, we'll hack it into a Mac for you." So you could have this little tiny Dell-
40:20 Rachel Cruze? Oh, yeah.
40:20 George Kamel? -that was like a MacBook.
40:21 Rachel Cruze? Yeah.
40:22 George Kamel? So anyways, apparently that was... They were trying to... They got new management, they were trying to do, fire a bunch of people. So a bunch of people got fired in like two weeks for random things. If you were late, you got fired. So anyways, mine was I... The software update that he did wasn't my copy of the license of the software update. And so they said that was a breach of something.
40:41 Rachel Cruze? Wow.
40:41 George Kamel? They fired both of us.
40:42 Rachel Cruze? Wow.
40:43 George Kamel? Crushed my dreams. I was making sixteen an hour. I was like, "This is amazing." I went to Urban Outfitters, was making eight dollars an hour, folding inside-out clothes, because people like Rachel would go in the fitting room, try ninety things, leave them all in a pile for little old George to clean up.
40:57 Rachel Cruze? Stop.
40:58 George Kamel? And here's where... I was there for three months total. Here was the final straw. Found a used feminine product on top of the mirror-
41:04 Rachel Cruze? No.
41:04 George Kamel? -because we had to check for tags-
41:05 Rachel Cruze? No.
41:05 George Kamel? -because people would steal stuff.
41:06 Rachel Cruze? No.
41:07 George Kamel? That was my...
41:08 Rachel Cruze? No, stop it.
41:09 George Kamel? That's when I moved south. I literally moved across the country after that. I moved to Mobile, Alabama, to start a new life after finding a used feminine product on top of the mirror-
41:20 Rachel Cruze? Gross.
41:21 George Kamel? -where people would put tags from when they ripped off the tags to steal clothes.
41:24 Rachel Cruze? Oh, no, to steal.
41:25 George Kamel? So we always had to check the top of the mirror, because that's where they would put the tags.
41:28 Rachel Cruze? People stole stuff?
41:30 George Kamel? Yeah. A lot of stuff. Lot of stuff. Surprise they're still in business with how much stuff people are stealing.
41:36 Rachel Cruze? Oh, man.
41:38 George Kamel? That was my, uh, that was my last foray at Urban Outfitters. But hey, forty percent off discount.
41:43 Rachel Cruze? That my Libby Lewin is so sad. I was like, "I can't go to my high school parties."
41:47 George Kamel? Wow, wow, wee, wah. My entire life was altered after that moment. Found out a lot.
41:54 Rachel Cruze? Oh, man. Well, yeah, I can't, I mean, I don't, I don't know.
41:59 George Kamel? Hard to enjoy a job after that, I think we can all agree.
42:01 Rachel Cruze? I mean, that's, yeah, that's terrible, George. Wow, guilty.
42:05 George Kamel? Thank you for the first time you've had empathy from me, by the way. It's really rare to see on this show.
42:10 Rachel Cruze? Oh, man. Well, that was fun. Um, if you guys have any guilty as charged ideas, make sure to DM us on social.
42:18 George Kamel? We love hearing them.
42:19 Rachel Cruze? Yeah, because you guys have actually some great ones. And if you don't want to miss a future episode, make sure to subscribe. And speaking of subscribing, George.
42:30 George Kamel? We got something cool in the mail. Thanks to you guys, the faithful listeners and viewers out there. Hold it up, Rachel.
42:36 Rachel Cruze? You got it? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Here we go. Here we go.
42:38 George Kamel? Ba-ba-da-da.
42:39 Rachel Cruze? Hundred thousand subscribers on Smart Money Happy Hour. Oh, it's a big deal. That's a big deal.
42:46 George Kamel? It's a big milestone for any creator, YouTuber out there.
42:49 Rachel Cruze? I mean, for people to get a thousand subscribers is like, that's a lot of work, you know? And a hundred thousand. So, thank you, guys.
42:55 George Kamel? Thank you all for hitting that subscribe button. And, uh, you know, next time we do this, I think, is the million mark. So only 900,000 to go.
43:03 Rachel Cruze? And now.
43:04 George Kamel? It would be cool to do that in our lifetime on this show.
43:06 Rachel Cruze? Yeah, we'll see.
43:07 George Kamel? So encourage your friends to go check out the show. And truly, it's one of the most fun things when we're out and about. People go, "I love Smart Money Happy Hour," specifically, out of all the things we do. And I think it's because it's sort of a nice gateway drug into the Ramsey universe. Because it's just, we're having a good time.
43:23 Rachel Cruze? It's easy.
43:23 George Kamel? And we do talk about money, but it's in a very casual way.
43:26 Rachel Cruze? Money and dinosaurs, so we'll see. Well, if you guys enjoyed this episode, make sure to check out the next episode, Habits Wasting Your Time and Money in 2024. We'll link it down below. And we'll see you guys next Thursday on an all-new episode of
43:39 George Kamel? Smart Money Happy Hour.
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