Pod Insights Short Wave Anglerfish Ancestors Once Roamed The Seafloor About this episode There are over 200 species of deep-sea anglerfish; some are long and thin, some are squat and round, some have fins that they use to "walk" along the sea floor, and others have huge eyes set far back into their heads. But how did all this morphological diversity first come to be? Thanks to a new anglerfish family tree, now we know.
Scientists built this evolutionary tree using genetic information from hundreds of samples and anglerfish specimens across the globe. It indicates that anglerfish originated from an ancestor that crawled along the seafloor ... and sheds new light on how experts could think about biodiversity as a whole.
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0:16 Emily Kwong? You're listening to Short Wave from NPR. The first time I ever saw an anglerfish was on the big screen. It appeared first as a warm, glowing light. I see a... I see a light.
0:33 Speaker 02 A light?
0:34 Emily Kwong? Yeah, over there.
0:35 Speaker 02 Oh, I see it too.
0:38 Emily Kwong? Rising out of the dark with bulbous eyes and pointy teeth, this fish gets a villain moment in the 2003 Pixar movie Finding Nemo. It's so pretty.
0:51 Speaker 02 Good feelings gone.
0:57 Emily Kwong? And so ensues probably the best underwater chase scene in cinematic history.
1:03 Speaker 03 I remember seeing this movie in the theaters. I was three in 2003.
1:09 Emily Kwong? This is Rose Fauchet from Rice University.
1:12 Speaker 03 And apparently, when the anglerfish scene came on, I was so freaked out by it, I started crying, and my mom had to take me out of the theater.
1:21 Emily Kwong? But Rose has had a change of heart about anglerfish, because this past year, she did research about them alongside evolutionary biologist and ichthyologist Elizabeth Miller at UC Irvine. Now, Elizabeth says this moment in Finding Nemo, where Dory and Marlin are enthralled by the anglerfish's bioluminescent light, is pretty accurate to how it happens in the deep sea.
1:43 Speaker 04 The idea is that the prey are drawn to the lure, and they don't see the anglerfish attached to it, and they get eaten.
1:52 Emily Kwong? There are over 200 species of deep sea anglerfish. The one in Finding Nemo was modeled after what's known as the football fish. But Elizabeth and Rose told me others look very different. Some are long and thin, like eels. Some are squat. Some have huge, prehistoric-looking teeth, while others have big eyes set far back into their heads. And the majority of them live in the Baffy Pelagic Zone, the deep, deep sea.
2:21 Speaker 04 It's a huge expanse of space in total darkness. High pressure, cold temperatures, food limitation.
2:29 Emily Kwong? But in this zone, that is so cold, so homogeneous, and so devoid of sunlight, somehow, the anglerfish still ended up looking very diverse. And researchers wanted to know why.
2:42 Speaker 04 It is a mystery. It's not clear why one anglerfish species would be shaped one way, while a different anglerfish species would be shaped a different way.
2:53 Emily Kwong? So today on the show, the big anglerfish mystery. Why do these science-fiction-y fish look so different from one another? What spurred this divergence in anglerfish body shape and size? And what can that tell us about the deep sea as a whole? I'm Emily Kwong, and you're listening to Short Wave, the science podcast from NPR.
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4:26 Emily Kwong? All right, Rose and Elizabeth, the deep sea pelagic anglerfish. What were the big question marks for you? And what did you wanna, what did you wanna figure out?
4:34 Speaker 04 So we can look at images of anglerfish. And it seems obvious to our eyes that they're different shapes. But we needed to quantify that variation so that we can analyze it in an evolutionary framework. And what I mean by an evolutionary framework is understanding how all of that diversity evolved. Did it evolve very quickly? Did it evolve gradually? Those are the big questions.
4:58 Emily Kwong? And Rose, at the time, you were an undergrad student at Rice University in Elizabeth's colleague's lab. Can you explain what you did on this project? What was your role?
5:08 Speaker 03 So my part of the project was looking at the morphology of anglerfish skulls. I had to look at the skeletons of the anglerfish and then determine which bones are which and like the edges of all the bones and things like that. So I took the CT scans that we had of these anglerfish. And first I had to make them into like a 3D model. And then we have this very fun software that basically lets me put a little dot on certain points of that skull model. We settled on, I believe it's 111 landmarks that I put onto each of these skulls.
5:53 Speaker 04 Yeah, I will say 111 points is a lot. It's even more difficult when you've got these fish that have such bizarre skulls. The work that Rose did is really tremendous and it was all done by hand.
6:06 Emily Kwong? So you all set about building a family tree for anglerfish.
6:12 Emily Kwong? So cool. How do you even go about building something like that?
6:15 Speaker 04 So to back up a little bit, the big family tree is what links all of these species together.
6:21 Emily Kwong? Yeah.
6:21 Speaker 04 And the methods to do this are the same for pretty much any organism. You extract DNA from the tissues of these specimens.
6:31 Emily Kwong? Uh huh.
6:32 Speaker 04 What makes it difficult in the case of the anglerfish is getting those tissues.
6:35 Emily Kwong? Right, this isn't a 23andMe situation. You can't just ask anglerfish to spit into a tube for you so you can collect their DNA.
6:43 Speaker 04 That's correct. And finding the fish is no small feat, as you can imagine. It relies on careful planning of people who regularly go out to sea to do surveys of fishes in general, not necessarily targeting anglerfishes. And making sure when an anglerfish is found that it's preserved in the proper way. It needs to be kept on ice and kept cold pretty much as soon as it's brought up. It needs to be preserved in alcohol and put on a shelf in a museum. And that, that's the basis of the CT scans or the three dimensional X-rays that we used. And then the tissues were the basis of the family tree.
7:24 Emily Kwong? Okay, so while Rose was mapping all these three dimensional X-rays, plotting points onto the skulls to see where the anglerfish were visually similar. It sounds like Elizabeth, you were extracting the DNA and seeing where they were genetically similar.
7:37 Speaker 04 That's right, that's exactly right. And so from there, I use fancy statistical models. And basically, it tells me what the differences are from species to species and the significance of those differences as far as like how closely or distantly related the different species are.
7:56 Emily Kwong? Wow, okay. Rose, can you talk a little bit about how you and Elizabeth got access to all these specimens and CT scans? I heard all this was done with museum collections, kind of like... An interlibrary loan but for museums?
8:12 Speaker 03 So, all these different museums across the world have like fantastic collections of fish that are basically just preserved in ethanol. And there is like an online database where you can search for, you know, whatever species of fish you're looking for and it will show you. And the, the fish world is actually, it's pretty small. It feels kind of like everybody knows everybody.
8:36 Emily Kwong? Yeah.
8:37 Speaker 03 And so if you ask nicely enough, they'll FedEx you fish that have been sitting in a jar since like 1965.
8:47 Speaker 03 And if you're a very lucky undergrad, you get to open up a package in lab one day and you're holding like one of the rarest fish on earth.
8:55 Emily Kwong? Uh, were you one of these lucky undergrads who got to do this?
8:58 Speaker 03 I did get to be an undergrad who opened up a box from FedEx one day and there's a football fish, you know, wrapped in cheesecloth soaked in ethanol. And I picked up the fish and I was so excited. I ran down the halls of this building to like go and show all of my friends that I had a football fish. Um, also, I'm sure it's, you know, shocking to hear, but, but 60-year-old fish sitting in ethanol do have a particular smell about them.
9:31 Emily Kwong? Delicious. So you are going deep into anglerfish history in a way in looking at these samples. I want to go all the way back to the original anglerfish ancestor. What did that ancestor look like? The one that started it all?
9:53 Speaker 04 I'll, I'll give some context that anglerfish, the deep sea anglerfish we've been talking about are all part of this group with a scientific name Lophia formis.
10:02 Emily Kwong? Lophia formis.
10:03 Speaker 04 Yes.
10:04 Emily Kwong? Okay.
10:04 Speaker 04 So the deep sea anglerfish, their closest relative within this broader group is a fish called the sea toad.
10:11 Emily Kwong? The sea toad?
10:12 Speaker 04 Yes. That's another fun one to Google if you, if you have access to Google the, um, sea toad.
10:19 Emily Kwong? Oh, I am, I am. Coffin fishes, is that another word for sea toads? Yeah, they look very grumpy. They're literally frowning.
10:26 Speaker 04 Exactly.
10:26 Emily Kwong? And hanging out on the bottom of the ocean floor.
10:28 Speaker 04 Yep, coffin fish is another word for them. So that's the closest relative, the closest living relative to the, the deep sea angler fishes we've been talking about. And so what did the direct ancestor of the angler fishes look like? It most likely looked something like that sea toad, although perhaps something intermediate. We, we can't know for sure, but what it implies is that the broader group, Lophiiformes, has always been in the deep sea in some capacity, but the more significant transition was off the seafloor and into the water column.
11:02 Emily Kwong? Yeah. This seems like one of the biggest takeaways of your study, and it's amazing that angler fish started from an ancestor that lived on the ocean floor and then made it into the water column to be the angler fish that we know and love today.
11:17 Speaker 04 That's correct. The bathyplagic angler fishes seem to have arisen from a deep sea benthic ancestor, and it was this transition off the seafloor that spurred the evolution of all of these new shapes.
11:31 Emily Kwong? And what does that tell us about, like, the conditions of this part of the ocean that made that so? Like, is it just that they had to adapt super quickly in order to survive?
11:41 Speaker 04 I, I think the way to think about it is opportunity. They came off the seafloor into the water column, the bathyplagic zone, and presumably there are new ways of living, new ecological opportunities, even if we don't know necessarily what they are. And so they potentially evolved these new shapes to take advantage of those new opportunities.
12:04 Emily Kwong? Yeah. I want to ask you both one last question. Why do you think this is so important to study? How does it change your, how you think about this field of evolutionary biology?
12:15 Speaker 04 I, I think this is critical for our understanding of the conditions that diversity evolves in. We're used to thinking of biodiversity in, in terms of like tropical rainforests and coral reefs, places that have a lot going on. And we look at a place like the deep sea and we see the opposite of that. And what we're learning from the evolutionary history of the anglerfish is that that also might be a place where you can evolve a lot of biodiversity. And that's a totally new way of looking at that environment.
12:49 Emily Kwong? Rose?
12:50 Speaker 03 Well, so I think especially natural history and marine biology at this point in time can be a pretty devastating field to work in. You know, so much of what we do and what we think about is how much we are constantly losing. That's already gone.
13:16 Speaker 03 But there's something about the scope of this project that felt positive and kind of like a nice reprieve from that.
13:25 Emily Kwong? Yeah.
13:26 Speaker 03 I think a lot of this project was celebrating the biodiversity that we do have. And yeah, it's kind of nice to for once not be like, well, here's a thousand genuses about to go extinct.
13:41 Emily Kwong? No, here's a thousand genuses being opportunistic hunters in the ocean.
13:46 Speaker 03 Yeah.
13:48 Emily Kwong? I love that. Well, thank you both so much for spending time with me and helping short waivers everywhere learn more about these incredible fish.
13:58 Speaker 04 It was my pleasure. Thank you.
14:00 Speaker 03 Thanks.
14:03 Emily Kwong? This episode was produced by Hannah Chin. It was edited by Burleigh McCoy and fact checked by Tyler Jones. The audio engineer was Kwesi Lee. Beth Donovan is our senior director and Colin Campbell is our senior vice president of podcasting strategy. I'm Emily Kwong. Thank you for listening to Short Wave from NPR.
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