#65 Dr. Steven Greer - Black Budget, Stargate, Raytheon, Lockheed Skunk Works, UAP/UFO Secrets

Dr. Steven Greer is back in episode #65 to discuss a wealth of ground-breaking science and discovery. First, he outlines new realizations around zero-point energy and how this supposed newfound technology is as old as time. Greer also covers how this technology has been hidden away from the public for decades by the military industrial complex and corporate interests. Why? Because it could change the balance of power globally. This episode uncovers who these corporate entities are and how YOU can get involved to secure an abundant future for you and your family. Shawn Ryan Show Sponsors: https://1stphorm.com/srs https://DrinkAG1.com/srs https://helixsleep.com/srs https://moinkbox.com/srs https://blackbuffalo.com - USE CODE "SRS" https://mindbloom.com/srs - USE CODE "SRS" Prescription required. Not available in some states. Products are not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. Information in this ad is not a substitute for, or an alternative to, information from healthcare practitioners. Consult with your healthcare provider. Cumulus Podcast Network is not responsible for the content of this ad. Dr. Steven Greer Links: Website - www.siriusdisclosure.com Documentary - www. TheLostCenturyFilm.com Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/dr.steven.greer/ Whistleblowers: please write to: [email protected] Please leave us a review on Apple & Spotify Podcasts. Vigilance Elite/Shawn Ryan Links: Website | Patreon | TikTok | Instagram Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 1:00Shawn Ryan?

  Ladies and gentlemen, my next guest needs no introduction. He's been on the show before, and he has one of the top episodes that we have ever produced here at SRS. I'm talking about Dr. Stephen Greer. He's back. This time, we're talking about zero-point energy, and we're talking about technologies that have been hidden from us and the US government by companies such as Lockheed Martin Skunk Works, Raytheon, Boeing, Northrop Grumman. And if you think this is a little out there, think again, because the US Senate and the US Congress are both digging into this subject matter to get to the bottom of it. Next week, we have three of the five whistleblowers

• 1:45Shawn Ryan?

  that Dr. Greer brought in front of Congress to testify about these technologies that they have had firsthand accounts seeing.

• 1:54Shawn Ryan?

  They're going to be right here on SRS to give those exact same testimonies. Ladies and gentlemen, if you like the show, if you like the information we're putting out, please go to Spotify, go to Apple Podcasts, leave us a review. And I see a lot of you have been out there making content, ripping our content off and putting it out on the internet. I love it. Looks amazing. We made it super easy for you. We put a ton of raw reels, links in the description. Take them, make content, produce badass stuff. If we like it, we'll share it, monetize it, make money off of it. All we ask is that you please just tag our show in it. That's all we ask.

• 2:37Shawn Ryan?

  Anyways, love you all. This is an awesome episode. It has a ton of information in it. In the next two weeks is all this subject. Love you all. Enjoy the show. Cheers.

• 2:55Shawn Ryan?

  Dr. Greer, welcome back to the Sean Ryan Show.

• 2:59Steven Greer?

  I'm glad to be here. It's always good to see you.

• 3:02Shawn Ryan?

  We've been seeing a lot of each other. So I just got back from your whistleblower conference and the premiere of your new documentary in the National Press Club event. A ton of good information came out of that, stuff that nobody's ever heard. Extremely well put together event, by the way.

• 3:23Steven Greer?

  Oh, thank you. All volunteers.

• 3:26Shawn Ryan?

  Was it really?

• 3:27Steven Greer?

  Hundred percent volunteers.

• 3:29Shawn Ryan?

  Incredible event from start to finish. Me and my friend Carter, who was the one to connect us, we just had a fantastic time and learned so much. And so we got a lot to talk about today, diving into some of the whistleblower stuff. We're actually getting a handful of the whistleblowers that I think they came out of this show with your first interview. Is I correct?

• 3:56Steven Greer?

  Some of them had been had contacted me and been involved before, since. And of course, once that law got passed, allowing a pathway for them to. Testify about what they knew, notwithstanding their nondisclosure agreements. That sort of opened up a whole new tranche of people willing to come forward. And that process, I think we're having a couple of new whistleblowers every week now.

• 4:25Shawn Ryan?

  Oh, that's amazing.

• 4:26Steven Greer?

  Per week, yeah.

• 4:28Shawn Ryan?

  Well, we're going to dive into all of that. And, um, and thank you for connecting me with them, by the way. So let me give you a proper introduction here, even though you don't need one. But Dr. Steven Greer, you just came out with the new documentary, The Lost Century, which is number one on iTunes, number one on Amazon.

• 4:48Steven Greer?

  Right.

• 4:49Shawn Ryan?

  Number one on anything else?

• 4:51Steven Greer?

  Google Play, all the sites, yeah.

• 4:53Shawn Ryan?

  Everything. Number one documentary released. Retired emergency doctor, founder of The Disclosure Project, documentarian, author, and leading authority on UFO, UAP intelligence. You've briefed multiple presidents, you've briefed the agency, you've briefed Congress, I believe. Recently, you presented evidence of the illegal black budget projects related to UFO, UAP operations by the US government. And you have 33 years' experience working in the UFO, UAP arena.

• 5:27Steven Greer?

  Right.

• 5:27Shawn Ryan?

  Am I missing anything?

• 5:29Steven Greer?

  That's good enough.

• 5:31Shawn Ryan?

  But, um, we got a lot to cover. Like I said, we got to cover, we need to cover The Disclosure Project, we need to cover The Lost Century documentary, a little bit of the whistleblower, a little bit of the whistleblower stuff. Your documentary, all about zero-point energy, fascinating stuff. What I'd like to do is, I'm not 100% spun up on some of the things that you were talking about, that I think a lot of the, the rest of the audience was pretty spun up about. And I don't think my audience is 100% spun up on all of these topics either.

• 6:07Steven Greer?

  Right.

• 6:07Shawn Ryan?

  So I just want to go through, um, some basic stuff to help me and the audience understand what we're about to talk about a little bit more when it comes to the black budgets and stuff like that. So, uh, a lot of these companies that, you know, are part of the military-industrial complex, if you will, I've had a lot of experience with Lockheed, with Raytheon, with these types of companies.

• 6:34Shawn Ryan?

  When it comes to field operations and, and, and, and kind of the stuff that I was doing in my arena as a special operator, I don't know about what they're doing and how they play in with this black budget stuff. And so I'd like to go through a couple of the companies and just have you just educate me and the audience about it. Let's, let's start with Lockheed Skunk Works.

• 7:01Steven Greer?

  Well, of course, the Skunk Works, you know, dates back to the 50s and 60s. Kelly Johnson, who's, by the way, UFO encounter report we have, was given to us by Lieutenant Colonel Heckert, who knew him, who was our U2 spy plane witness, who encountered these objects as a U2 pilot. But, and then, of course, Ben Rich. Ben Rich was the head of the Lockheed Skunk Works and acknowledged towards the end of his period there that they had technologies that could, quote, "take ET home." He also stated, "There are no private conversations anywhere on the earth." True. No matter what your encryption

• 7:42Steven Greer?

  is. And also, he said that, "Anything you imagine, we can, we have already done at the Skunk Works." Now, there's the Skunk Works that would deal with a conventional jet, rocket, you know, ramjet type classified aircraft, right? But then there's another division that is the deep black. I want to make a distinction between the black budget and highly classified legally overseen projects. Here, I'm talking about, you know, there's a guy I'm working with now who literally oversees the black budget of the United States. He was never read in on the UFO or UAP issue. And when he tried to find out, he went out

• 8:22Steven Greer?

  to the Lockheed Skunk Works, he was told, shown a bunch of these conventional propulsion systems. He was not shown the ones that are the man-made UFOs, that are the electroggravitics, the things that float, boom, 100,000 miles per hour. So I think that that's one of the problems, is that there's almost two parallel systems. And there's very little points of intersection between the two. What I call the constitutional government of the United States, I just call the USG, the US government, legal. And then there's the illegal secret government projects. Okay, the ISG.

• 8:57Steven Greer?

  So there are compartmented operations at the Lockheed Skunk Works dealing very specifically with this area of technology, which has nothing to do with rockets, jets, conventional aerodynamics. And it has to deal with electrogravitics, which is the ability to create a very high-voltage system that causes electromagnetic field propulsion. So there's almost like an electromagnetic field bubble around an object. It can levitate, lift, and it can go, you know, Mach 300 and never have a sonic boom and no heat on the outer section of it. These are very advanced technologies. Now, those began to be studied back long before I was born, and I turned 68 this week,

• 9:42Steven Greer?

  so you can imagine how long we've had these things. We actually mastered gravity control in October 1954. One of the members of my team for many years was in the vault. Okay. And he was the top scientist at the Naval Research Labs, the very large Department of Defense lab in DC there. I'd been in there, and he saw the documentation for this. So, and I think what the public, and this is true of the senators and the congressmen in the White House, they are not read in to these other projects. They simply aren't.

• 10:22Steven Greer?

  You know, I had a friend of Trump's tell me over this past weekend that he said, "They just don't tell us much," or anything, "very little." So I think that these sort of operations, as Eisenhower warned, you know, have just gotten out of constitutional legal oversight. So I call those the illegal secret government projects. But those are in the Lockheed Skunk Works. So there's facilities out in the desert. If you go out to the Mojave Desert, there's a facility and an underground opening. So the really sensitive facilities are all in underground SKFs or DOMs, deep underground military base facilities.

• 11:04Steven Greer?

  And that whole area of California is like a beehive, connected underneath with tunnels. Okay. I know where they are. I know people who've worked in them. And remember, we have-

• 11:13Shawn Ryan?

  Are those all Lockheed?

• 11:15Steven Greer?

  No, because those were actually built by Bechtel Corporation or Hit Construction. There are a few contractors who build these underground connectors. And for years, they used a nuclear-powered tunneling device that would go through bedrock and just classify it. So you'd have a connecting tunnel between, say, Edwards Air Force Base and Nellis Range. And you'd never have to go above the surface. So I'm very familiar with these and where they're located, and I've debriefed a number of guys who've been on them. So it's all part of a, let's call it a coalition of operations that are corporate, contractor,

• 11:58Steven Greer?

  and governmental, but governmental as in off the reservation of legal oversight and constitutional requirements. This is why the Senate and the House are moving quickly to get this under control because about a year and a half ago, we were providing enough information that they now realize that this is real, that the UAPs, UFOs are real, and they're beginning to realize that a bunch of them are ours. But they're being used in deceptive indications and warnings, meaning false flag operations. So this, of course, is the topic that I brought up to the head of the Defense Intelligence Agency, General Patrick Hughes, way back in the late 90s.

• 12:41Steven Greer?

  I said, "Look, you know, you guys are being completely zoomed and deceived by some of these objects you think might be extraterrestrial, but they're ours." So Lockheed has some of those.

• 12:54Shawn Ryan?

  Lockheed has, let's talk about-

• 12:55Steven Greer?

  Raytheon has a very, a certain type of them. Usually, they're trapezoidal or triangular. My uncle worked for his whole crew at Northrop Grumman. They have ones that are large triangular and other shapes. But so many of these objects that people think they see a UFO, well, it's a UFO to them because they don't know how to identify it. So one of the things we were doing is juxtaposing an interstellar vehicle, extraterrestrial vehicle, with a man-made one, and what are the characteristics and differences? Because-

• 13:30Steven Greer?

  Operationally and tactically, the Pentagon and the White House and Congress need to know this. Otherwise, they're sitting ducks to be deceived by all manner of nonsense.

• 13:38Shawn Ryan?

  Who are the other players? So we've got Lockheed, Skunk Works, we've got Raytheon, we've got Northrop Grumman. Is Boeing involved in this?

• 13:46Steven Greer?

  Yes, there's a division of Boeing that absolutely is involved. General Motors has, traditionally, and Ford, and General Electric, for sure, and EGNG. EGNG is a major player in this space, as well as Raytheon and TRW. Booze Allen Hamilton has an aspect that deals with this problem.

• 14:08Shawn Ryan?

  So are these... And then there was the construction company who's building these underground facilities.

• 14:15Steven Greer?

  The Bechtel Corporation and Hit Construction.

• 14:19Shawn Ryan?

  So are these companies competing with each other?

• 14:21Steven Greer?

  They do get into competing bids. It's a very interesting story. One of my whistleblowers, who's still too afraid to come forward, that I've dealt with for about seven years, was 10 years in the Pentagon and worked in a very classified operation, deep underneath the Pentagon. And he was read in across 18 of these unacknowledged SAPs, unacknowledged special access projects, dealing with this issue. And one of the things that happened there, there was a three-star general that was brought into near Fort Sill, Oklahoma, at Walton. And there was a SCIF, an underground facility, where we had downed an extraterrestrial vehicle.

• 15:04Steven Greer?

  And this general brought an unauthorized person, who was his girlfriend, who was a Booze Allen Hamilton executive, so that she could see what they were studying. So her group would get a leg up on the competing contract to study how those objects cloak or disappear and reappear. And, you know, he was actually CID, Criminal Investigative Division, after having been a mainline military. And I know the general's name, we have all this, it's been handed over to the investigators for the US government.

• 15:41Steven Greer?

  But he ended up being demoted a star, but he was never prosecuted because the Department of Justice was blocked from being able to gain access to what it was that he did because the projects don't exist. I mean, this is very, gets into very complicated legal and SecOps, you know, the whole of security around these, these operations. But because of the extreme level of secrecy, the, the big problem with the public and the media is they think you're president, you're chair of this senate committee and what have you, and that there's this vast conspiracy of these kind of people lying to the American public. It's the opposite. There are actually victims, most of them. Now, there are a few devils. I'll be quite blunt, I'm not gonna name them.

• 16:23Steven Greer?

  There are a few devils in the government, we know who they are, who are sort of embedded operatives to basically gaslight and deceive members of Congress or people in the White House or what have you. And because they have sort of an all-access pass, they can put themselves in positions of authority, but their authority is based on deceiving the constitutional leadership of the US government.

• 16:47Shawn Ryan?

  Well, I'd like to get into that as well. Back to, back to the military industrial complex companies, Raytheon, Lockheed Martin, SCMP, all these. How many people do you estimate are on these programs within these different companies?

• 17:03Steven Greer?

  Well, there are thousands.

• 17:05Shawn Ryan?

  Thousands at each company?

• 17:07Steven Greer?

  Not at each company. Well, the bigger ones, very likely. Now, remember, you can have, because of top-secret, special-compartmented information protocols, you're gonna have a guy at this desk in a cubicle working something, he'll have no idea what this one's working on.

• 17:23Shawn Ryan?

  So you have, basically, an enterprise of people that are all working on one project, not realizing what that project is?

• 17:31Steven Greer?

  Correct. They wouldn't know. Now, at the, we're senior management and coordination, they would, obviously. But the, let's call them the pieces out there. You know, they would have one piece of it. But those can be very valuable sources of intelligence that I've been meeting with for decades, because they may know just one area, they may have this one sliver of information. I feel like my job has been to do the whole comprehensive intelligence assessment from thousands of pieces, from credible people inside these corporations and in government programs, and put them together into... It's like a scattered puzzle with a thousand pieces.

• 18:14Steven Greer?

  So you've got to eventually put it together into the picture. And so sort of one of my tasks has been is to make that picture come together based on specific evidence, whistleblower testimony, documents, everything. Which has really been my whole project. I mean, since 92, 93. When I briefed the CIA Director in 93, we had a comprehensive assessment of the situation. And that's evolved in 30 years, obviously. Because we keep getting more granular detail and specific intelligence. And this is what we've been handing over to the US government since they passed the law a couple of years ago, ordering the Director of National Intelligence and the Pentagon

• 18:59Steven Greer?

  to report on this. Now, the problem is, the people who were put in charge of that, to be quite blunt, couldn't find their ass in a well-lighted room with both hands. And, sorry, it's my old southern expression, but they absolutely had no idea, you know, about the issue. And you saw last spring, there was a couple of those guys, Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick and an ONI guy, they were before Congress, members of Congress who'd looked at our Disclosure Project content prior, about the Malmstrom Air Force Base, Minot, North Dakota case, where there was intercontinental ballistic missiles taken offline. Eight, I think it was 18 of them, something like that.

• 19:43Steven Greer?

  And they asked Dr. Kirkpatrick and the other gentleman from Naval Intelligence, and they go, "Well, we've never heard of that." Well, anyone who would have read the Disclosure book that came out in 2001, we have the documents, we have the government official documents, we have the NORAD documents, we have the two witnesses, one who was in NORAD and one who was in the silo, all on the record. Right?

• 20:07Shawn Ryan?

  Wow.

• 20:08Steven Greer?

  First hand. So now we have a hundred of those that we've already brought out. Go to my YouTube channel. You'll see 70 of them up there.

• 20:15Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 20:15Steven Greer?

  Or 80. The problem is, is that when you're first trying to find out about this, the amount of information, like we're sitting on eight, nine, 10 terabytes of data in my archive that we're trying to organize. We call it the Disclosure Project Intelligence Archive, a D P I A. And that's what we're putting in organizing and handing off. As soon as we get it to any state and new information, I hand off another hard drive to these top secret guys who are trying to find out. But we need to pick up the pace, obviously, because there's a clock. We'll talk about this. There's a clock now been set on this.

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• 21:53Shawn Ryan?

  Well, we will get into all that. Another, when you're talking about these disinformation agents, these NOCs.

• 22:04Shawn Ryan?

  I have somebody that comes to mind, and we were talking about him at lunch. Lou Elizondo. Is he one of them?

• 22:11Steven Greer?

  Oh, of course. I mean, you know, as soon as he emerged on the stage, I had a very senior guy CIA who's worked this issue since 1979 contact me about that problem. But remember, the only way that you can control at this point, all this coming out because of what we have and what we're pushing forward through media, is to control the narrative, the spin. So the people coming forward who get an all-access pass on to, say, 60 Minutes or something like that, are people cleared by this same illegal corrupt organization because they'll tell the public, yes, the UAPs are real, but we don't know what they are.

• 22:56Steven Greer?

  Well, this is an absolute lie. We absolutely know what they are. Some of them are ours, man-made, and are confused quite frequently with the others, which are of extraterrestrial origin, or ETVs, extraterrestrial vehicles. And those operatives are taught very well to take an issue, grab it, capture it, and then spin it in the direction that they want. Now, the direction they want is endless ambiguity. Gee, we don't know what they are, we don't know what they are. It's nonsense. We've proven what they are. Well, you know, I have 755 whistleblowers.

• 23:33Shawn Ryan?

  You have 755 whistleblowers?

• 23:35Steven Greer?

  Yeah. I mean, this archive is unbelievable.

• 23:39Shawn Ryan?

  You had mentioned that you would want to debate Lou Elizondo.

• 23:43Steven Greer?

  Oh, I'd be happy to. I mean, someone brought that up a couple of years ago. I don't have any animus towards him personally. I just know what his role and function is, because I was given a heads-up on it as soon as he emerged out of the Pentagon and stood up his operation with this young guy I used to hang with, Tom DeLonge of Blink-22. He'd stay out of my house in Virginia, but...

• 24:07Steven Greer?

  What you expect counterintelligence and disinformation agents to do is to do exactly that. Now, remember, all that happened when our documentary, Unacknowledged, which you can still see on Amazon Prime and everywhere, reached about 750 million viewers. At that point, they said, "We need to take this narrative, acknowledge that these are real, but then change the narrative from the truth," which is what we're putting out, "to sort of a fantasy or sort of a diversion." And then those folks, like Chris Mellon and Nick Pope and Elizondo would go up on Capitol Hill, whisper into the ears of folks like Senator Rubio of the Intelligence Committee

• 24:51Steven Greer?

  and others, basically telling them false information. But the false information works when you can put it around something real. Now, what was the real thing? The Tic Tac, you know, the F-18 Hornets chasing off the coast of California? Those events that happened, the footage was leaked, it was a vehicle for them to attach that false narrative to it. So you have to understand how counterintelligence and psychological warfare operations are designed. It's very effective. I mean, you know, it is very effective. I would say 90% of people who study UFOs got gaslit. Certainly, the US Congress and the media did.

• 25:35Steven Greer?

  So they're very good at doing it. It doesn't mean that it's right, but I'd be very happy to go tada-ta on that with anybody. Let's talk about... Well, I'd love to host that, by the way. Great, do it. Yeah, maybe we can get something going. Although, I have to tell you, he's called me a terrorist, which I find really funny. Oh, boy. Here we go. Here we go. Hey, I've had 30 years of defamation of my character, so I'm sort of bulletproof from it. Yeah. The Stargate program.

• 26:12Shawn Ryan?

  During your last interview, I saw a lot of comment. There's two programs that I would like you to explain before we dive into the nuts and bolts of what we're going to. A lot of questions about the Stargate program. Can you enlighten us?

• 26:26Steven Greer?

  Well, you'd have to describe it. That name is not a code word that I've been introduced to from a reliable inside source person who knows.

• 26:35Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 26:36Steven Greer?

  So here's, just to give you an idea of my discipline.

• 26:39Shawn Ryan?

  Well, I appreciate the honesty. Thank you.

• 26:42Steven Greer?

  So if somebody has told me about an operation, whether it's a code word, code numbered, or just a general project that I know has the credentials and we know he was involved directly firsthand, not second, third, fourth hand gossip over the internet, then I will speak to that. But now, if you describe to me what people think Stargate is, I can comment on whether it's got any legitimacy.

• 27:09Shawn Ryan?

  Well, from what I've read, people are saying that the Stargate program is doing some kind of experimentation with kids.

• 27:19Steven Greer?

  Oh, well. I mean, that's, it has a different name, but absolutely, that's true. And as you know, Mr. Herrera, the Marine who was at our conference, who I think you'll be speaking with soon, he came across such an operation. He initially thought they were transporting in this man-made UFO drugs. They certainly had weapons, illegal weapons that they were distributing. But those crates that our forensic aerospace artist drew, or we had a NOK who was there, who had been involved in an operation after that, and those were transporting children

• 28:03Steven Greer?

  and women and certain men who had certain capabilities that would be used in experimental projects here and in other countries. It's a monstrous program. There's a man who lives right near here, who was a CIA operative and was very young, was one of these victims of this. And he wants to come forward, but he's quite frightened. He's already signed affidavits about it. But there's a CIA black site, 160, not far from Nashville, that was involved in some of these operations, mostly drugs and drug running, but also trafficking.

• 28:44Steven Greer?

  So it's a human trafficking operation, it's part of Stargate? Yeah, but you have to understand what it's for. It's not for, you know, shits and giggles, excuse me. It's rather, I have to say, some of these projects, I mean, they're very disturbing. And I don't know how much people want to hear this, but it will keep you awake at night. I mean, if you have children like I do. And, but they're used in very specific operations, and they were, they're selected for certain capabilities, particularly psi capabilities. Okay. And those are used in projects that these illegal projects are running for the

• 29:29Steven Greer?

  purpose of communication. So what's coming to my mind right now is remote viewing. Yes. Is that involved in this? It's, but in a very high-tech way, technologically. Most of the subjects die as a consequence of what they're made to do, but they have certain aptitudes and abilities for which they are screened and then they are abducted and taken. Now, keep in mind, this is also, there are a lot of operations that have, related to this. You know, recently, there was a whistleblower came out, talking about the aliens murdering humans. And he was referring to a case that

• 30:08Steven Greer?

  I know for a fact, were our operations, these illegal secret government operations that were down in South America, and they've done it in Africa also, where they have killed innocent people in villages to make it look like an alien attack. Now, that information is being now provided to Congressman Tim Burchett and the Senate Intelligence Committee as if those were extraterrestrial events. They have no idea. It's our guys doing it. I'm trying to, I'm trying to get Tim on the show. No, he's great. I've met with him. He's, he's, he's in this heart and soul. Here's the risk, though. And if anyone in Congress is watching.

• 30:51Steven Greer?

  I want to word this very carefully. A little knowledge is an extremely dangerous thing here. Because this is a hall of smoke and mirrors and deception. And you have to then wind this back. What would a clandestine operation have if unsupervised since the late 1950s, where they've had the most, some of the most brilliant scientific minds I've ever met, working these projects? They've had almost an infinite amount of money, trillions of dollars that have gone into the R and D, studying both human breakthroughs and also extraterrestrial vehicles, propulsion systems, communication systems, material science, what things are made of, how they're made.

• 31:36Steven Greer?

  Well, you figure after 80 years of that and trillions of dollars, you're going to have some payoffs. And these payoffs are in the form of advanced ATE, advanced technologies, and ARVs, alien reproduction vehicles that are the man-made ones. But also this whole area of nanobiotechnology, consciousness and mind interface technologies, all manner of weapon systems that are what are called scalar or longitudinal, go faster than the speed of light. It's like an EMP but on steroids that has, instead of a wave like this for electromagnetic, it's a straight line that goes out longitudinally called scalar. And those are faster than the speed of light.

• 32:20Steven Greer?

  And they can be used for interstellar communications, but they can also be weaponized. They've been weaponized. So they're all manner, there's a whole constellation again of sciences and technologies and, you know, the CIA science and technology guys, I've met with some of them, that are so far beyond what, let's call it the white world, the legal government, including Lockheed, Northrop Grumman. My uncle never worked on this stuff. He worked on the lunar module, landed on the moon the first time. That was my mom's oldest brother. And his whole career was with Northrop Grumman. He was never read into this other end of it. So one of the things people have to keep in mind...

• 33:05Steven Greer?

  Most of the people in the military, CIA, special operations, corporate, what have you, who work in that world are not part of some vast conspiracy. It's incredibly tightly held. But that's, in my view, that's their Achilles' heel. By definition, it has to be kept pretty small, pretty tight, which makes them vulnerable if, we'll get to this later, if the US government actually has the will to go the distance to get this under control. And they need to get it under control fairly quickly because it's getting out of hand. Let's talk about Project Blue Bean. Can you describe what that is?

• 33:50Steven Greer?

  Well, that's another subculture term that's been attached to a series of projects that involve what the Pentagon, what they call a deceptive indication and warning, or a false INW, which is a false flag. And it's the ability to stage through very advanced technologies, an alien attack or an alien event. And it's a whole series of them. Now, what most people don't know about since 19, late 50s, early 60s, like the Barney Hill case and all that, those were all human assets, abducting innocent people, made to look alien.

• 34:33Steven Greer?

  And so that psychological warfare began, was authorized in 1953, 54. 1954, we mastered gravity control. So we started deploying these assets to begin to condition the public that there's a scary threat from outer space. I mean, look at Hollywood, Alien, Ridley Scott's movies. If you want to see a script for what's coming fairly soon, look at the movie Independence Day. It's right out of central casting for this covert group. So what their, their whole purpose is to create sort of a global militarized totalitarian superstate of the world fighting another world. It's like War of the Worlds. And that's

• 35:16Steven Greer?

  been a 70-year defense plan. And I know people who've seen that plan. Carol Rosin saw the plan, who was Werner von Braun's spokesperson, who's on our team. She's almost 80 now, but brilliant mind. And, you know, when she realized in the 70s that this was what was afoot, she, her whole life was devoted to trying to get some of these projects under control. But you're, you know, we're little Davids up against an enormous Goliath. And nevertheless, you know, the truth, if people want the truth, they might, Gloria Steinem said, "The truth will set you free, but first it'll piss you off." But it's time for people to, you know, actually realize that this is something they

• 35:59Steven Greer?

  have to take seriously. So there, now, if you add those capabilities to holographic capability, scalar weapon capability, space-time systems, where you can alter and sort of alter the flow of space-time in an area, which gets into some really, at the CIA, they call this WSFM, Weird Science and Frickin' Magic. At my uncle's company, I met an engineer that dealt with this stuff a couple of years ago, and he said, "We just call it PFM, Pure Fucking Magic," excuse my language. But that, he says, "Literally, that's what we call it." So you're dealing with technologies that are, and this is the problem, I call

• 36:38Steven Greer?

  it the big technology gap, between what conventional Pentagon, Special Forces, Joint Staff, Senate Intel, Armed Services, House Intel, the President, National Security people, what they know and what this group has. So what they know, it's like this is, you know, just to make this real for people, when I was briefing years ago, the Admiral in charge of J-2, Joint Intelligence for Joint Chiefs of Staff, Admiral Wilson, and that memo leaked out where he was debriefed by Dr. Davis, and everyone went, "Oh, my God." And it states, and I was there for a stand-up briefing, and what they don't know is that at the end of it,

• 37:21Steven Greer?

  I asked the Admiral to help us get to the, this is 97, this is 26 years ago. And he said, "Well, I don't know how I'm going to help with something when the best technology I can deploy, we can deploy." Is a B2 stealth. And this other group have objects that can do circles around the B2. And he acknowledged that to me. I said, well, that doesn't mean you can't. He says, well, I can't unless it's authorized. I said, well, where do you need the authorization? Well, he felt he needed authorization from the SecDef, who had already been waved off, and the president, which was Clinton at the time, who had also, I have a very interesting story since I saw you. But we knew that Clinton had been approached by George H.W.

• 38:06Steven Greer?

  Bush and told butt out, this is none of your business dealing with the UFO issue. Because this was one of the very first things Clinton wanted to know about. Because I knew people who lived at the White House with him. You know, he, he was very keen on getting to the bottom of it. But the efforts he launched were torpedoed. And he eventually backed off of it. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah, I know that whole story. It's, it's an ugly story of corruption and power being abused. But, but he did initially want to really find out what was going on. And it was a sincere effort.

• 38:46Steven Greer?

  And there was an entire special operation stood up around getting, getting that. But I have a very famous Hollywood agent and a superstar who was in a limo with, they don't want to use their names, with Clinton after he left office. And they asked about the UFO issue. And the president said, oh, yes. He says, but they, I was told by George H.W. Bush that this was none of my business and butt out. And it was made very clear. You're just, you're, you're only the president. You get the drift. So, you know, now, obviously, if we're going to have a constitution, the rule of law, and a democratic republic, that kind of thing cannot stand.

• 39:31Steven Greer?

  But because of the power and the money behind this group, it has stood. And, you know, years ago, in 93, I was at the Wrigley Mansion. And I'll tell you, Sean, it was a very interesting meeting. It was like late at night, 10, 11 o'clock at night. And there was a conference room full of suits. And they approached me, and this is the fall of 93, just before I briefed CIA Director Woolsey. And They said, "Look, you don't need to be talking." They knew all about this meeting that was gonna happen. And I, "You don't need to be talking to the president and the CIA director about this. They don't know anything and they're not going to know anything. If you wanna know, you talk to us. We're the WFO, we're the work for other contractors.

• 40:14Steven Greer?

  We're the people who are working on these technologies and doing the technology transfer." And then they were trying to convince me to side with what they were doing. And I said, "No." I said, "This is a corrupt enterprise." And then he offered, he says, "You're a doctor, you can take out as many credit cards as you want. We'll zero them out each month, 'cause we run the supercomputers that back up the entire banking system. And we can get an infinite amount of money through certain techniques. And so we'll just zero them out." I said, "Then you're gonna own me, aren't you? 'Cause isn't that credit card fraud and banking fraud?" He says, "No, we're just trying to help." You see how these... This is an absolutely true story. Put me on, there's sodium pentothal, lie detector.

• 40:58Steven Greer?

  But at the end of it, he said, "Look, we have given at lea..." This is, now remember, this is 30 years ago. "We have given at least 10,000 people $10 million apiece or more to secure their cooperation with this project." Wow. And that was 30 years ago. Now, money is no object if you're printing the stuff up, and you're running drugs, and you're trafficking, and you're siphoning off from the legitimate black budget, which there is a legitimate black budget that's overseen by the president and the key people in the Congress. We're totally legitimate. But a lot of money from that is siphoned off and is through overbilling to the government into these illegal projects.

• 41:42Steven Greer?

  It's absolutely embezzlement. So, we can prove this, by the way. And I have people who've seen it happen, okay? But I think that when you look at that and you go, "Okay, well, this is where the center of power is." The center of power is not in the Congress. And it's not in the White House. And it's not in the legal constitutional government or the main part of the Pentagon or agency. It's in this group and it's amassed so much power and wealth and technology that it is, and I'll be blunt, a threat to all life on earth. It's a threat, it's way greater threat than China, or Iran, or Russia, ever. And I think people have to take this, what I just said, very seriously because all these

• 42:26Steven Greer?

  other skirmishes, even if there were a couple nukes detonated, nothing compared the risk this group poses, given the technologies they possess and the intention to use it in a malevolent way. Where they could stampede the whole world on the trajectory, that would be, you know, an Armageddon scenario. So unfortunately, these people are serious about it. They're whacked out, in my opinion. One of the, a knock I recently met with, he says, "Yeah, well, even in this world," and he's been in this, uh, super-black, dark world, uh, and very high up, relatively high up, mid-level, anyway.

• 43:09Steven Greer?

  And he said, "The way, for the folks who are these really super rogue operators, they're recruited for being sociopaths or psychopaths." Now, he says, "I was recruited because I was willing to kill on behalf of the country or what's right, but not being a sociopath, to do it for the good, if you're going to use lethal force or any technology." These folks running these projects are a subset of people who are screened, who are in fact sociopaths and psychopaths. And I'm using this clinically as a doctor. There's four and a half percent of the US population are sociopaths and psychopaths. So, I mean, and the ones that are high-functioning are identified and moved over into these rogue operations.

• 43:54Shawn Ryan?

  Interesting.

• 43:55Steven Greer?

  Yeah.

• 43:56Shawn Ryan?

  Smart. Extremely smart.

• 43:58Steven Greer?

  Yeah.

• 43:59Shawn Ryan?

  Um, let's take a quick break.

• 44:03Steven Greer?

  Sure.

• 44:04Shawn Ryan?

  And then we're going to get into the disclosure project.

• 44:09Shawn Ryan?

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• 45:30Shawn Ryan?

  All right, Dr. Gru, we're back from the break. I forgot to give you a gift. Every time, the last time I forgot to do this, too.

• 45:38Steven Greer?

  It's okay.

• 45:39Shawn Ryan?

  We just get to go, we get to go and then I get fascinated.

• 45:42Steven Greer?

  Well, thank you.

• 45:43Shawn Ryan?

  You're welcome.

• 45:44Steven Greer?

  I owe a gift bag for winning the contest for the, whatever it is I've done. Thank you.

• 45:49Shawn Ryan?

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• 45:54Steven Greer?

  Oh, good.

• 45:55Shawn Ryan?

  Legal in all 50 states, believe it or not. And I got your hat, too.

• 45:59Steven Greer?

  Thank you.

• 46:00Shawn Ryan?

  Let's move on. So.

• 46:01Steven Greer?

  Oh, good. You're going to disguise me up now.

• 46:04Shawn Ryan?

  So, I got a question from a friend of mine. I tried to connect you guys. I don't know if you guys connected or not, but my friend, Chris Beck, and he just said, "An idea to run by you. Does this line, does this theory line up with UFO sightings?" And then the question is, "Is it easier to see UFOs in grays in early hours, one hour before sunrise to an hour after sunrise? The ultraviolet of the sun is, it, the ultraviolet of sun is highest in these hours." To see repes is hour before and hour after sunset because infrared is highest in these hours?

• 46:45Steven Greer?

  Well, actually, it really depends on what modality they're operating in. So what that means is an interstellar vehicle, now this distinguished between the ones that we have versus the ones that are interstellar, they can phase in and out of this, say, 3D instantaneously. So you could have one right over your building, right here, and no sensor would pick it up because it's actually shifted, the frequency of it, out of linear spacetime. Sort of, so this is what I call transdimensional physics. And then in an instant, nanosecond, it could be 3D, or it could be something in between.

• 47:27Steven Greer?

  So it's a little bit, if you've ever had a rheostat for a demmer switch or something, you can make it brighter, dimmer, turn it all the way off. So those technologies allow for an object to be fully in 3D or shifted dimensionally, literally, into another dimension and back. Now, these are not interdimensional, they're more transdimensional because their origins are another star system. There are also interdimensional objects, and those are things from another dimension that is not from the material cosmos, but they can be confused with some of the extraterrestrial phenomena. It's a very complex thing.

• 48:09Steven Greer?

  So in terms of seeing these objects, I think people, you know, when it's not super bright with the sun, you're going to see more an object that's going to be silhouetted than in bright, bright sunlight.

• 48:23Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 48:24Steven Greer?

  And the other issue, I think, is that the ones that we have can also operate in a way where they substantially have an electromagnetic field around them that can kind of cloak them, but under certain lighting conditions and radiation, let's call it infrared.

• 48:43Steven Greer?

  Ultraviolet, it depends on the condition, you can get a glimpse of them as they're moving. So I think that this gets into understanding the underlying technology and physics of how these objects work. And that's why when we're doing our expeditions where we're going out, making contact and looking, we have a whole set of protocols and I train people on what to look for, what the phenomenon might be. You know, if you're having cameras, whether it's settings, I don't do camera work, full disclosure, I'm an idiot with cameras, but, so that you have it set properly and what, and also know what to look for. But I think that the technology determines more than the time of day, but the time of

• 49:27Steven Greer?

  day might facilitate, that's why I think when, when it's still light, but it's not bright light, and that spectrum, you'll see an object more easily.

• 49:35Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 49:36Steven Greer?

  But I think it has to do with, I don't think it has to do with the actual innate occurrence. I think it has to do with.

• 49:42Shawn Ryan?

  Well, we can see.

• 49:43Steven Greer?

  What we can see with these things.

• 49:45Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 49:46Steven Greer?

  Are ours.

• 49:46Shawn Ryan?

  That makes a lot of sense. When you're talking trans-dimensional, what, how do I even ask this? When we're talking other dimensions, what does that mean?

• 50:02Steven Greer?

  Well, the universe, let's call it the cosmos, you know, is described by astrophysicists as sort of this 3D thing. Now, if you look at quantum entanglement and the concepts of the universe being a holographic conscious entity, which it is, then you start talking about not just material, but you're also talking about other dimensions that are at refined levels of frequencies and vibration. So the speed of light, the speed of electrons, atoms, what have you, all of that would pertain to what we call the 3D, three-dimensional. If you were to cross over that in frequencies.

• 50:49Steven Greer?

  And this is again where you start getting into some very strange WSFM, like I mentioned, phenomenon. Then you're talking about other embedded dimensions, but it's not like it's some distant place, it's folded within. So you know, a hologram, if you look at a hologram of Marilyn Monroe with her dress blowing up, you know, like that. If you were to just zoom in on one little piece of that dress on the edge of the, her skirt, you, and zoom in on it, the entire image would be in there. And zoom in again, it'd be, it's holographic. So you have to kind of get your mind around, the cosmos is this conscious quantum hologram.

• 51:32Steven Greer?

  And so there are many, many, many dimensions, not just this plane of three dimension, that is all enfolded within it. So a lot of the confusion happens where everything, like something weird, like a poltergeist event, will be conflated with something extraterrestrial. Well, it isn't. You know, it was someone who, like in the ER, I had this happen once, some guy that was killed, couldn't save him, you know, it was murder, and he was angry, and at three in the morning, he started taking all the stuff out of the cabinets. But he wasn't there, it was just his spirit. Weird stuff. So that kind of phenomenon isn't extraterrestrial, it's interdimensional.

• 52:17Steven Greer?

  You see what I'm saying? I do. Okay, so I'm trying to do some very kind of crude analogies, but the confusion comes in, is that if you're an interstellar capable civilization, which means you're going from point A in the cosmos to here, B, it's like if this were a piece of paper, you're not going a straight line across the paper, you're folding the paper, being spacetime. Okay. And so these two points are here. I'm enlightened now. And so, but in the process of doing that, this sort of bending and altering spacetime, you then bump up against and cross these other dimensions.

• 53:03Steven Greer?

  This is sort of the intersection between what some people call metaphysics and physics, or the conscious worlds and the worlds of light, if you will, the mystics would call astral, and extraterrestrial technologies. And it's a very interesting intersection. I find that the most interesting part of this whole subject, but it quickly, you go into crazy town way too quickly with a lot of people out there who don't know enough to talk about it intelligently, in my opinion. But it's also dangerous, and here's why it's dangerous. Those capabilities can be technologically stimulated to occur. It's like Skinwalker

• 53:47Steven Greer?

  Ranch. After a certain cell of this covert group got hold of that thing, they started setting up phenomenon there. It's absolutely man-made, high-end electronics, but interdimensional. It's like the show Stranger Things. I've never seen it, but that's based on some weird stuff that went on at Montauk on eastern Long Island, the Montauk Projects. And we know what those are. I know guys who've been in laboratories where they have a toroid or one of these devices, and suddenly they're pulling in spooky-looking creatures that look like they came out of the ninth ring of hell. And they literally become 3D and are running around the lab. Weird stuff. All right, so the high end of the WSFM is

• 54:31Steven Greer?

  this sort of thing. But that can be used in a deceptive indication and warning. It can be used in a way that everyone on planet Earth would think that it's alien, and it isn't. I see what you mean. Okay, so this is the real danger in all of this not being disclosed and known, particularly by policymakers and the government and Pentagon and all these folks, is that they're not going to be able, they're going to be so easily gaslit and deceived by people. Presenting all kinds of phenomena, plural, as extraterrestrial when it isn't. Because they have mastered the ability of this what's called stagecraft.

• 55:15Steven Greer?

  That's literally what it's called in some circles. And this gets back to this whole question of Project Blue Beam where they could stage. But what their capabilities are way beyond what most people think they are. And I began working with some of these geniuses back in the early 90s that I met who in late 1950s and 60s had figured this out. So the electronics and the very high-end electromagnetic field systems that can do this were unpacked pretty well by between 1955 and 1965, in that decade.

• 55:53Shawn Ryan?

  So with these, with the different dimensions is, so there's another dimension in this room right now? And we just can't?

• 56:02Steven Greer?

  Within this room, it's folded, it's the infoldment, it's quantum entanglement. So, you know what Einstein called the spooky effect, you know, where the same particle be in two places at once? But visualize that at every point in space and time, at this level of quantum entanglement, you have access to any other point in space and time, but also these other dimensions up to and including the most rarified, what some people would call the conscious being, the unbounded consciousness. It's all folded within this in what I call the real cosmology, understanding of cosmology is way beyond astrophysics, current astrophysics.

• 56:44Steven Greer?

  But, but I think that's the part of this where when you start experimenting with and reverse engineering an extraterrestrial vehicle, their communication systems are not based on the speed of light like our cell phones, right, or video. They're based on this understanding of the cosmos because they've lived for millennia in that understanding. And so this is why, you know, we talk about the fact that they have technologies that interface with directed thought. I call it a technology assisted consciousness and consciousness that assists the technology. So they can interface bioelectric field and thought and they navigate the spacecraft.

• 57:29Steven Greer?

  Shit. Really, really cool stuff. I mean, you know, Elon Musk is trying to do some stuff with Neuralink, but he's still using wires and at the speed of light. But the idea would be the same, that your thought could actuate to a technological interface that would then not only be used in communication, because what's that? The speed of thought versus the speed of light? Yeah. But think about why that's so important. If you're from the Andromeda Galaxy, which is two and a half million light years from here, at the speed of light, your cellphone, it would take two and a half million years for a signal to get there, and another two and a half million years for them to answer, and you hear it. Five million years.

• 58:11Steven Greer?

  So, when I talk about this, I say, there are certain technological thresholds you have to have crossed if you're an extraterrestrial, interstellar civilization. Those technologies have... The good news is, we understand them, and they could be used to great purpose on Earth. Energy generation, healing, all kinds of things, medical. But, right now, they're in the hands of the worst group of sociopaths that have ever lived, and they dwarf, by far, Stalin or Hitler. In terms of their intention and their capabilities, way beyond.

• 58:56Steven Greer?

  It's not the buffoonery of the Third Reich, it's just the high-tech, very dangerous end. Now, this, to me, as a doctor, I tell people, this is like a knife, or, you know, I can use a knife to put butter on my bread, or I can use it to slit your throat. Now, so, technology is neutral. It's the consciousness and the intention of those who wield it, who have it. In this situation, right now, is the worst of all worlds. Because you have the most amazing, wonderful technologies in the hands of the worst group.

• 59:33Steven Greer?

  Ever that have quite a bit of malice and intention. So this is what I think has to be fixed and that's why the Disclosure Project is trying to move this along first. Yes, now we've established UFOs are real. Well, that was known in the 50s, 40s. But now what's behind all that? Unpacking all the detail. And the reason the scientific end of this is so important, even for operations, is that this group of illegal covert human projects, they have surveillance, communication systems, transport systems, and sciences that are...

• 1:00:13Steven Greer?

  Ben Rich, the week before he died, told James Goodall, you heard him at our conference, one of the last men to talk to him. He says, "Anything that you've seen in Star Trek and can imagine, we've done at the Lockheed Skunk Works." And he said, "Not at that, not at Area 51, but at the desert base, the underground facility."

• 1:00:35Shawn Ryan?

  Let's get into the Disclosure Project. For 100-plus years, advanced technology has been seized, isolated, and hidden away. This has suppressed the advancement of technology and human progress. The Disclosure Project archives include government documents from the United States, Canada, Australia, Russia, and the UK, 145 top-secret facilities and base maps, 755 now, witness accounts from military, corporate, and government sources, 121 UFO crash retrievals.

• 1:01:11Steven Greer?

  Yep, it's all in our archive.

• 1:01:12Shawn Ryan?

  What is some of the 145 top-secret facilities that you know about?

• 1:01:17Steven Greer?

  Well, you know, everyone talks about Area 51. That's an old one. It's still operational. And particularly, you know, S3, S4, Pahut Mesa, out in Groom Lake.

• 1:01:30Shawn Ryan?

  Are these in the US?

• 1:01:32Steven Greer?

  Yeah, this is Nellis. You know, that one. And that's operational, has been since the 50s. A more state-of-the-art one is actually in the Dougway Proving Grounds, which is in Utah.

• 1:01:48Shawn Ryan?

  Is this the one that you disclosed at the conference?

• 1:01:52Steven Greer?

  Yes.

• 1:01:53Shawn Ryan?

  I'm gonna put a picture up of it right now.

• 1:01:56Steven Greer?

  And so that facility, there's something called the Avery Sector, A V E R Y, where there are these assets. There's an extraterrestrial vehicle that was being studied there when one of our witnesses, I think he was there in 2009, when that object had been downed. They're downed by these electromagnetic pulse weapons because the ET craft are completely electromagnetic. So, you know, a kinetic weapon would not be so effective, missile or a laser, but electromagnetic pulse or scaler weapon stuns them and they'll come down. Sometimes they crash, sometimes they're intact. If they're intact, then you have

• 1:02:38Steven Greer?

  the whole thing to study. And that's where this man was in a facility where they had an entire intact one. And then, you know, there's a vast underground facility there. So they're downing these aircraft with basically a directed EMP weapon? Yes, but more sophisticated than the legal constitutional government would know about because you're going to add to normal EMP, let's call it a supercharged part of it that's scaler, what I mentioned before, where it's a point that goes out longitudinally without the waveform. Okay. So that's why, you know, light propagates at 186,000 miles every second. These are

• 1:03:20Steven Greer?

  not limited that way because it's a point that goes out, straight line. See what I'm saying? Yes. So now you're bypassing, you're exceeding the speed of light. It's essentially teleportation. That's different. We'll get into that if you want to. But no, I'm talking about just a type of energy weapon. Mm-hmm. But it can also be used for communication. And I think in the old days, in the early 20th century, mid 20th century, there were people who stumbled across, and Tesla wrote about scaler waves. So, hold on. So this isn't a, this isn't a point A to point B line. It's not linear.

• 1:04:05Steven Greer?

  It's not a linear weapon. If I shoot a gun...

• 1:04:09Shawn Ryan?

  The bullet goes, you can see it.

• 1:04:11Steven Greer?

  Right.

• 1:04:12Shawn Ryan?

  You know, and if I shot a laser, you could see it. You know, travel from point A to point B. Are you saying that these weapons do not?

• 1:04:21Steven Greer?

  Well, they go from point A to point B, but bypassing linear spacetime. Meaning they're in the entangled quantum. So quantum entanglement, basically, is where every point in space and time is connected through what's called quantum entanglement. So when you have a quantum scalar weapon, then you're able to target an object at multiples of the speed of light. And those weapons are, they're very dangerous because one of the things we have to be careful of is while these civilizations that are extraterrestrial, and I mean, to me, they're

• 1:05:06Steven Greer?

  the equivalent of Gandhi that they haven't struck back at all. But I'll be honest with you, you know, the more these weapons get perfected and you get into multiple generations of them, the more humans are a risk to other planets.

• 1:05:22Shawn Ryan?

  Well, with these weapons, I'm trying to understand this.

• 1:05:24Steven Greer?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:25Shawn Ryan?

  And I think I have at least a grasp of quantum entanglement. So what you're saying, so every point of space and time is connected?

• 1:05:37Steven Greer?

  Correct.

• 1:05:37Shawn Ryan?

  Through whatever, atoms, I'll just call them atoms.

• 1:05:41Steven Greer?

  Yeah, but with no time delay.

• 1:05:43Shawn Ryan?

  And so if I was to use one of these energy weapons, let's just say for me to you, six feet apart, and I use this energy weapon at the exact same time to an object that's 75,000 miles away.

• 1:05:58Steven Greer?

  It'd be the same time interval.

• 1:06:00Shawn Ryan?

  It would be?

• 1:06:01Steven Greer?

  Take the amount, same amount of time.

• 1:06:03Shawn Ryan?

  It would be the exact same amount of time?

• 1:06:04Steven Greer?

  Right.

• 1:06:05Shawn Ryan?

  Okay, that's what I, that's what I thought. So, so how does that differentiate from teleportation?

• 1:06:12Steven Greer?

  Teleportation is actually the movement of an object from point A to B.

• 1:06:16Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 1:06:16Steven Greer?

  Okay, not just the energy. So you take this bottle and you...

• 1:06:23Steven Greer?

  Do it that way.

• 1:06:24Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 1:06:25Steven Greer?

  So it's in the same sort of, again, category of transdimensional physics and advanced physics and technologies. And the real action is in the electromagnetic and magnetic spin, all of that. And so the people who understand this, that I've met with, who've worked on these technologies and have had them in their labs, and I've been in some of these labs, is a fascinating technology. And if it was used for something good, I mean, we'd have a whole new planet here. I mean, it'd be phenomenal, beautiful.

• 1:07:00Shawn Ryan?

  Wow.

• 1:07:01Steven Greer?

  Well, that's what The Lost Century, the documentary that we just released, is all about 100 years of these sort of technologies that have been sequestered and confiscated, and how if they were disclosed, we would have a civilization well within your baby's lifetime, before he's in high school. We'd have a world with no pollution, no poverty, and no energy issues in terms of energy shortage, because you'd be pulling energy out of the fabric of spacetime and the so-called zero point or quantum vacuum from this quantum level. And that's what Tesla stumbled across. I mean, he didn't call it that, because the

• 1:07:41Steven Greer?

  physics of it weren't fully elaborated, but he saw the effect of it.

• 1:07:47Shawn Ryan?

  We're gonna get into that. That's the, we're gonna get into the documentary. For now, back to the underground facility.

• 1:07:55Steven Greer?

  Mm-hmm. That's a big one at Doug Way. It's, this gentleman firsthand had not been in it. He has the name of a scientist, senior scientist, US government, that was at the Doug Way facility. And he said that the complex that's underground goes out, it's about 1,300 square miles, not acres, miles.

• 1:08:16Shawn Ryan?

  1,300 square miles?

• 1:08:18Steven Greer?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:19Shawn Ryan?

  What's in there?

• 1:08:21Steven Greer?

  All this stuff, technologies, the craft, operations. We know that, I had a man who was out there, who had special night vision, he was special operations embedded, but he was a scientist. And he was out there, and wee hours, there were these massive triangular objects, silent, launching from that area, but underground, and would come out over the range. No lights on them, totally, fully operational. And, you know, those are one category of the man-made advanced technology platforms,

• 1:09:03Steven Greer?

  or alien reproduction vehicles, some people call them. There are quite a few out there at Dougway.

• 1:09:09Shawn Ryan?

  These government documents from the US, Canada, Australia, Russia, and the UK, what are some of those documents?

• 1:09:17Steven Greer?

  Well, they run the whole gamut. For example, I have a document, wasn't declassified, but it was provided to me by a source from Area 51, Nellis, and it's a, it lists as of the early 90s, I got it in the 90s, all the code numbers and code names that were on a security alert because there were a group of civilians who were trying to spy on the range, where they had to shut everything down, because it was a large group, and it was a security alert. But it was an NRO document, National Reconnaissance Office document. And it had key names on it. It had MAGI on it, the Majority Joint Intelligence Committee, or MAGIC. It had Cosmic Ops on it, Royal Ops.

• 1:10:00Steven Greer?

  It had Blackjack Control on it. It had key actionable intelligence, and that's one of the documents I gave to some of the folks in the White House over the years, or Pentagon, because it's a legitimate document that actually gives specific code, word, and numbers that were out in that particular area. And it's still there. I mean, it's not like you pick up an asset like that and move it to where. So we know where they are, and that's why our 145 facilities, I've just learned of a new one, that we'll be putting on that map soon. It's supposed to be taken there.

• 1:10:41Shawn Ryan?

  Where's this?

• 1:10:42Steven Greer?

  I can't say where, but right now.

• 1:10:44Shawn Ryan?

  Can we put the map up?

• 1:10:46Steven Greer?

  Yes, when you put the map up, you'll see, many of them are places people know. They know Edwards Air Force Base, but where? Where do you go to at the Nellis Range? It's a huge range, the Air Force Base. And then the Nevada Test Site, which is where we tested nuclear weapons, going north. But out there, there's some very key assets, and there's a Delta Force helo base out there that's used for retrieving extraterrestrial vehicles and retrieving downed

• 1:11:17Steven Greer?

  Accidentally crashed man-made ones that malfunction. So we have a man on our team who was on a retrieval operation initially for conventional aircraft, jets, for their classified components. And then he got read into an operation retrieving the man-made ones, which blew his mind, the Raytheon and Northrop ones. Then he got read into the ones that are, you know, he was on one operation where we stunned one of these extraterrestrial vehicles. It's one I showed at the event. And it didn't crash. It got stunned and landed out there on the range, the Nevada Test Range. And they were moved in in helos to retrieve it.

• 1:12:01Steven Greer?

  And that interesting account of that, it began to come back to life and an opening came out of it and it looked like a fruit roll-up came down and a couple of extraterrestrials emerged that he had, he literally was in three or four feet of them. We have the drawing of them, of what they look like. But what happened is that at that point, that craft was being checked by helicopters in the air as well as one of these ARVs, man-made ones, the triangular. When they, this thing began to sort of glow reddish and come to life, boom, our aircraft took off.

• 1:12:43Steven Greer?

  Now the boots on the ground there and the choppers on the ground, after a few minutes, they were all, I know this sounds like Star Trek, they were all teleported back to the helo base instantly. Holy shit. Yeah, oh yeah. And they weren't harmed, none of them were harmed. But apparently this whole event convinced this particular operator to get out of that system because he knew, what he sensed from these ETs was that they were completely benign, very much here to help us, and we were doing horrible things to them. And they also said, we know what you're doing, we're not going to allow you to do this much longer. It was sort of a warning. That happened in 2000 and...

• 1:13:29Steven Greer?

  I think that was 2010, 11 time period. So what's your goal with the Disclosure Project? Well, our goal is, first of all, to get this information to the key policymakers and people in the government who have responsibility for our national security, but also in other countries as well, and to the public, so that they understand the difference, in my opinion, between the false information being purveyed, which is the dominant information that's out on the internet and Hollywood and shows, and the real information that needs to be understood by the public, so that the public isn't deceived.

• 1:14:08Steven Greer?

  So we have both an internal governmental objective to guide the government in understanding this and getting them as much detailed, actionable intelligence as possible. Like, the details, and this is how they've gotten this far. The reason the bill that was just came out of committee, in the Intelligence Committee, is because they now understand, if you read that bill, that it's given sort of a safe harbor six months amnesty period for these corporations and people to come forward, or they'll be prosecuted. That is in the bill that left committee. And I've been pushing for this for a long time.

• 1:14:49Steven Greer?

  The first time I recommended it was in 1993 to Bill Clinton, and nobody wanted to do it. Now it's going to happen, but that sets a clock. And so the Disclosure Project's objective is to give the legal government of the United States that we have allegiance to, and that we, the people, the public, the information, so that these rogue and very criminal activities can be brought under proper supervision and control, access control. And that's not the case right now. And it's dangerous that it isn't. So it's a very big step that first, in December, they signed this law allowing whistleblowers

• 1:15:31Steven Greer?

  to come forward through the Pentagon process, which is a top-secret SCIF situation. But now, this bill is going to explicitly state that these corporations, anybody having exotic materials, clearly referring to extraterrestrial-type materials, technologies, bodies...

• 1:15:54Steven Greer?

  Those have to be disclosed and turned over to the legal US government, or they will then be subject to prosecution criminally. So that's a six-month window now, so that clock has started.

• 1:16:07Shawn Ryan?

  That's a six-month window.

• 1:16:09Steven Greer?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:10Shawn Ryan?

  And you're also going to make all of this, which a lot of it already is, open source information.

• 1:16:15Steven Greer?

  Yes, if we could get some. You have to imagine myself and my wife and a few volunteers trying to scan, organize eight, 10 terabytes of data and then create a database system that's searchable and then eventually get it on the internet. Now, what we do have to redact, the unredacted archive I'm giving to the top investigators in the Congress and the Pentagon group. The White House got a redacted version because they're not really leaning into this much yet, which they should be. But I have someone in the White House Military Office that we're providing information to.

• 1:17:00Steven Greer?

  But the redacted one, just to be clear, the only thing we're holding back are the personal names of these hundreds of whistleblowers who don't want their names known, except when there's certain conditions. And also, if they have a DD 214, I'm not going to release in a non-secure manner. So the folks who have the unredacted, those go into a SCIF, they go into a vault, they have it. Now, I will say on the record, anyone who says the US government is not in possession of all the facts and the actual intelligence to get to the bottom of this is a liar or ignorant. They're either a liar or they're ignorant, because that was handed off three weeks ago,

• 1:17:45Steven Greer?

  all of it. So there's actually no excuse now. The only excuse they'd have now is that they're part of a cover-up, in which case they should be prosecuted. And I'm saying even the people in the Arrow Office and the Pentagon, they either move on this and do it with integrity, or they should be prosecuted.

• 1:18:05Shawn Ryan?

  Let's move into your new documentary, The Lost Century.

• 1:18:08Steven Greer?

  Sure.

• 1:18:09Shawn Ryan?

  It's all about advanced technology, how it's been for a hundred, how it's been around for over a hundred years but kept secret. Zero-point energy, a lot of people call free energy, is also called the quantum vacuum. This would basically eliminate the need for fossil fuels, utilities.

• 1:18:30Steven Greer?

  Wind, solar, yeah.

• 1:18:32Shawn Ryan?

  Winds, every, every means to power that we have now would make it completely obsolete. It would be unlimited, clean, and free energy.

• 1:18:42Steven Greer?

  And we've had it for a hundred years.

• 1:18:44Shawn Ryan?

  How do we?

• 1:18:48Shawn Ryan?

  So let's get into this. How, how did you discover this stuff?

• 1:18:53Steven Greer?

  Well, it was an outgrowth of me looking into the UFO, UAP issue. Because, once you realize these objects are real, three-dimensional, the very first question, actually, when I was, when I go up to Capitol Hill or someplace, I'll put up the footage, the footage that the Pentagon said, "This is a real 3D object, infrared sensors, no heat, no jets, no rockets, and certainly no nuclear power plant on it." Because, I mean, those things are hot, right? There have been nuclear-powered aircraft and satellites. But, I said, "How is that moving? At those speeds, and then straight up against gravity? This is the alternative energy and propulsion systems."

• 1:19:35Steven Greer?

  So I always tell people, "Forget all the mythology and everything, it's an alternative energy system." Now, it's a very advanced one, because it also flies. Now, to be, to be really clear, I am not advocating, not the release of the things that fly, yet. Why? It's a missile delivery system. So you don't really want to open-source an electro-gravitic anti-gravity system that allows terrorists in Mogadishu to get a dirty bomb over downtown DC in two or three seconds. Right? No. But, the things that would sit at your house, like your heat pump.

• 1:20:18Steven Greer?

  All right, or in the hood of your car. That would run your car, or your factory, or your business, or your home. Those devices that are not things that fly, those are just pulling energy from the fabric of spacetime around it. And physicists have estimated that the volume of space in a coffee mug has enough potential energy to boil off all the oceans of the world, is that much latent energy. So tapping into it to run the entire United States, the whole world, be like taking a thimble of water out of the Great Lakes. So it is what, you know, Tesla called it the infinite energy field.

• 1:20:58Steven Greer?

  And it began to be discovered, if you look at it all the way back, but it, as soon as you step into the reality, the three-dimensional reality of these UAPs and UFOs, you immediately begin talking to people, and this is what happened to me in the early 90s, to people who know the physics of the energy systems, because these things are not using oil, gas, coal, nuclear, what have you. So it's a, it's a natural extension of the problem. And I point out to people, one of the central reasons for the secrecy that got out of control under Eisenhower's late, last four years as president, was because once they realized

• 1:21:39Steven Greer?

  how this works, they realized the big industrialists and financial and global moneyed people, banking, this would be the end of that entire sector of the macroeconomic system. Well, that would have been great if it had been transitioned before I was born in 1955, because look at the world we have now. But it really could have started coming out in the early teens and 20s. If you look at the documentary, The Lost Century, the sub-caption is, "And How to Reclaim It." We talk about how we need to come together as a people and develop these energy generation systems and open-source them, meaning that it's no patent, no intellectual property

• 1:22:22Steven Greer?

  held back at the first level of this, because the Patent Office will seize it, we proved that in the documentary, we have a national security order on a patent that a scientist I know submitted, we took his name off of it. So the question is, are there some people who can financially put up the funds, and it needs to be a substantial amount, you know, 50 to 100 million to start, to create a high-energy physics lab that develops this and gets it out to the public, no intellectual property holdback? Or if there was that much funds available, we could go to some of these scientists who probably have these and say, "Look, we want to just acquire this.

• 1:23:06Steven Greer?

  You'll be, here's $10 million. Now go and relax. Let us move this out to the public." You can't do it. Most of these engineers and scientists and inventors think they're going to do it the way they do a new software program. And they're going to try to monetize it through intellectual property protections and patent. You cannot do that with this because the system is so completely weaponized and corrupt, and I'm talking from the patent office on, that the only way to do it is to do an open source release of it massively through the internet blockchain. So that's what we're doing. But the technology, if you go, if you look at this documentary, you'll see this trajectory.

• 1:23:45Steven Greer?

  There's a great photograph with Nikola Tesla with this engineer farmer, self-taught guy. I believe it was 1908 or 1902, the caption. And this guy had like an earth battery. He had some metallic stakes and wires in the ground. He was pulling resonant energy. It was running his farm. Wow. I mean, even my father, you know, I wasn't alive. He was born in 1916. This was before my dad, who was hand-to-hand combat in World War II with the Japanese amphibious landing unit. But, you know, I'm going, what the heck? You know, we have our planet. Half the planet's population doesn't have indoor plumbing. 3 billion people have no way to cook their food. They're cutting down the rainforest. 3 billion.

• 1:24:32Steven Greer?

  The biosphere, even if you don't think climate change is real, five million people die from breathing particulate matter, soot, all over the world, from this noxious stuff we keep burning. So, we need to take care of our creation, the earth, and our future, and it isn't going to happen with a windmill and a solar panel, believe me. No way you're going to run eight billion people off of those technologies. We're going to have to have innovative, high-tech solutions to the energy and environmental and poverty problems.

• 1:25:04Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, look, you know, I just want to backtrack on that real quick. When you're talking about people dying from inhaling these particles and these chemicals and shit, I mean, you know, this is, this unfortunately is a touchy subject, you know, the pollution and climate change and all this shit, but what I can attest to that is 100% fact is what you just said, because I've been to these parts of the world. I've spent over a decade in these parts of the world and you see, one, you see all these veterans coming home dying of weird cancers from shit that they breathed in overseas. And, and I can tell you, in the winter time, the winter time in Afghanistan, the soot

• 1:25:45Shawn Ryan?

  is so thick in the air that if you go outside for, I mean, we're talking just five minutes, and you go back inside and spit in, spit in the sink, or spit in whatever.

• 1:25:56Steven Greer?

  Blow your nose, yeah.

• 1:25:58Shawn Ryan?

  You're, you're, you're going to spit gray.

• 1:26:01Steven Greer?

  Right.

• 1:26:02Shawn Ryan?

  And...

• 1:26:03Steven Greer?

  But those fine particles get into your lungs and then your circulatory and heart and cause a huge number of problems, not just cancers, but I'm talking heart, lung disease. So, why are we doing that when these technologies have existed? Now, this same corrupt organization, because it doesn't just deal with one issue.

• 1:26:23Steven Greer?

  Have been responsible for basically hoovering up, vacuuming up all these technologies for a hundred years. I know people personally, personally, who have been murdered because they had one. And it's because they very against my advice, AMA, against medical advice, against their own security interest. They wanted to keep it secret and they thought they were going to be so clever. And they were going to outfox this big superstate of thugs. I'm going, dude, you have no idea what you're up against here. And then they think they're going to do encryption and keep it secret. I'm going, oh, my God. You think this group needs to worry about electromagnetic encryption?

• 1:27:05Steven Greer?

  When they can target a volume of space anywhere and extract anything being said? I mean, I could. I mean, it's, you know, and it's, I understand it because if you're in the normal engineering world, you're not going to know this. It's hard to believe it. It's hard to believe it, but I said, you know, if you don't believe it, just wait. You're going to be dead or it'll be confiscated. Then I, you know, you're only, you're lucky if all they do is come in and kick your door in, hit you with a national security order and drag it off. You know, that's your best outcome. That's your best case scenario if you do it the conventional way. So I go, look, you know, it's like, well, is that saying attributed to Einstein? The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, expecting a different result.

• 1:27:49Steven Greer?

  The reason I can prove that the strategy most people use doesn't work is that we can prove these technologies have been around for over a hundred years. And you and I are still tied into a coal fired or gas fired power grid, right? So if the strategies, if the, if the conventional business and technology strategies were going to work, they would have worked before, you know, you and I were born. So we need to think, we need to have different thinking about this strategically. So what we're saying is all of these technologies, if they're used for peaceful purposes, would really give us a whole new civilization, beautiful. Now, the downside is, given what humans are,

• 1:28:33Steven Greer?

  we like to take any new technological breakthrough and weaponize it. But the truth is they've already done that. We've already weaponized these things.

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• 1:29:13Shawn Ryan?

  How do you think that these... the anti-gravity technology that's using gravity as a power source? How is that happening? Do you have a brief explanation on...

• 1:29:25Steven Greer?

  I really think it's gravity control and gravity wave control. As for a power source, I think the power source is better described as this quantum vacuum energy or zero-point energy. But if you... So it's like two separate things, but are related. So you can have a zero-point energy system or a free energy system. It doesn't move, and it's not affecting gravity. But at a certain resonant frequency and power, and has to do with vortices, toroidal energy patterns, you can then cause what I call mass cancellation,

• 1:30:09Steven Greer?

  where an object literally takes on weightlessness. Now, if you go back in the documentary, we touch on this, all the way back to T. Townsend Brown and what was later called the Beefill Brown Effect. In the late 1920s, he took a very high-voltage system at a very certain... with wires around a crystalline material, and it levitated, just floated. Now, that was almost 100 years ago, late 20s. That was then the Kowski-Frost experiment in Germany around the same time confirmed it. Later, the whole B field Brown effect studying very high voltage, V H V, systems began

• 1:30:51Steven Greer?

  to be increasingly studied and classified in the 30s and 40s. By the time World War II ended Adolf Hitler had a disc-shaped electrogravitic, but it wasn't stable, which is why he could never use it in the war. But it was brought back to America by Paul Mellon and Patton, General Patton and Alan Dulles. So that device actually became a very important object to study at the end of World War II. And of course, it also, that technology got advanced greatly by studying the extraterrestrial materials that we also were beginning to acquire by using electromagnetic weapons to down the ET craft.

• 1:31:36Steven Greer?

  So you had two rivers of technology being developed from the 20s, 30s, 40s that intersected with the extraterrestrial technologies and they hybridized them.

• 1:31:46Shawn Ryan?

  Shit.

• 1:31:48Steven Greer?

  So that's what happened between 1945 and 55, that decade.

• 1:31:52Shawn Ryan?

  How many different ways do you think, is, how many different ways are there to harness this kind of energy?

• 1:31:58Steven Greer?

  Oh, I think there are dozens.

• 1:31:59Shawn Ryan?

  How did Tesla do it?

• 1:32:01Steven Greer?

  Tesla, I think, was actually capturing resonant magnetic field energy of the earth that's almost boundless. So there are a lot of quote "free energy" approaches. I think the ones that use these very high voltage systems that create a sort of a vector, a tap, as it were, into this quantum vacuum energy and zero-point energy field, those began to be stumbled across, but sort of episodically as a phenomenon back in the late 1800s. Because that was the heyday when they were first discovering electromagnetism. And I think Maxwell and Farad, some of these guys stumbled across this, they didn't know what it was.

• 1:32:44Steven Greer?

  You were getting more energy out than you had to put in. So I think you can have a rotational coil-based device. Floyd Sweet, who we feature in the movie, had a solid-state device that was about this big that could run a 300 horsepower electric engine for your car. No other batteries, the little teeny.

• 1:33:03Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, that was, you had video of that.

• 1:33:05Steven Greer?

  Yep, we have video of it. It was tested by a Lieutenant Colonel, Tom Bearden, who's a very dear friend of mine, just passed away. He handed off all of what he knew about this to us. We have a file that was a CIA operative named Sajaki that I knew, but he had a guy I know named John Bedini, who was allowed to copy a bunch of confiscated patents, and we have that disk. So we need to send up a research lab to do this and get to the bottom of it, I think, Sean, very quickly, because we need to do it.

• 1:33:47Steven Greer?

  Look, if this technology came out in the next year or two by a group that could just put it out, open source it, thousands of companies would then adopt it, and we'd be able to really transform the trajectory of the planet. Now, there are going to be certain losers in that process, like any new technology, oil, gas, coal, centralized public utilities, they'll all have to be retired. But keep in mind, it's going to take 15 years to do this. You know, your car and my car running, if you have a conventional vehicle, 100 million vehicles are made a year, there are 1.5 billion motor vehicles on the road worldwide.

• 1:34:29Steven Greer?

  That's 15 years if you waved a magic wand and converted every manufacturing entity to a zero-point electric system. That's not going to happen. So, you know, it's going to take a couple of decades to make this transition anyway. It should have happened 100 years ago.

• 1:34:48Shawn Ryan?

  Why do you think so many UFOs, spotings are happening around these nuclear sites?

• 1:34:55Steven Greer?

  Well, we know the answer to that, and of course, he didn't get to go into it, but Lieutenant Colonel Heckert, who was the U-2 pilot who was there, he dealt specifically with this information, dealing with the extraterrestrial concern over nuclear facilities, and it's multiple reasons. One,

• 1:35:19Steven Greer?

  They're very concerned that we would actually do something that could threaten the life of biological life on Earth. Obviously, mutual assured destruction would do that. And believe it or not, these civilizations are very positively concerned with the human future. But they're also, secondarily, maybe equally, concerned about containing the warlike nature of humans from being exported out into space. Now, the nuclear issue, when you detonate a nuclear device, or there's an accident, everyone knows what an EMP is. We've talked about electromagnetic pulse.

• 1:36:00Steven Greer?

  There's also a type of scaler pulse that goes out that literally rips through spacetime that disrupts interstellar communication and travel. This is why, you know, I was talking to Gordon Crichton, who is an MI6 guy and a military intelligence guy in the United Kingdom, who's passed away, but he's one of our witnesses. He used to publish Flying Salsa Review that Prince Charles and Prince Philip subscribe to. Interesting. But what he said was, basically, when we did that, the first atomic bomb explosion, it actually was like kicking a hornet's nest. Because now Teller, Edward Teller and Oppenheimer, they didn't know that when one of those things

• 1:36:42Steven Greer?

  would go off, that it would create this kind of pulse, not electromagnetic pulse, but this other wave, that actually goes through the entangled cosmos in a way that is highly disruptive to other civilizations' communications and travel. So this began to be a huge red flag when up over the Earth, warning, this is a group of, you know, primitive, emerging civilization that is a threat to themselves and a threat to others out there. They don't even know how threat, what a big threat this is. So the whole nuclear issue is what caused the modern era of UFO/ET-related events to take place.

• 1:37:27Steven Greer?

  Because I think they've obviously been watching the Earth and been involved in seeing its development for millennia. There's good evidence for that. I mean, there are cave, there are cave drawings from 5,000 years ago that have been carbon-dated to that age that show a classic disc with...

• 1:37:45Steven Greer?

  Look like ET beans outside of it from France and India and all over. So I don't think, it's not as if they didn't know we were here. It's that when we hit that point. And what they really were trying to get Truman and Eisenhower to do, the ETs, were to wind that down and go on a different trajectory, which is what we're recommending now, 60 years later. And that is to pivot to getting rid of this conflict-oriented, endless war scenario with these kind of weapons, and move towards a peaceful solution to our conflicts. But then begin to adopt these technologies so that human civilization can advance

• 1:38:28Steven Greer?

  without cannibalizing the earth and killing off the oceans. So I think this is something that we took a pass on. It was a tragic error. The big error happened on here, I'm just be honest with you. Pretty much the year I was born, ironically, 1955 to 57. This whole enterprise went sideways. And when Eisenhower subsequently lost control over these deep black operations, that's when he gave up. Beware the military industrial complex. I mean, he was very pro-military, he was a general, World War II. And then, of course, that's why also, the first director, one of the early directors of CIA, 1947, when the CIA was founded,

• 1:39:10Steven Greer?

  Admiral Roscoe Hillinketer stated in a letter to the New York Times, after Eisenhower gave that speech, and he said, "The secrecy around UFOs is a threat to the national security." He didn't say the UFOs were. He said, "The secrecy around it is a threat to the national security." So when people ask me, "Are the UFOs a threat to the national security?" I said, "The man-made ones absolutely are. The extraterrestrial ones aren't. But the secrecy around it in its aggregate is a dire threat to world and national security, no question."

• 1:39:47Shawn Ryan?

  In the documentary, you talk about some of the UFO technology. The metal is so pure, it cannot be replicated. Can you expound on that a little bit?

• 1:39:55Steven Greer?

  Yeah, so we think, you know, if you're driving a car or flying on a Boeing 737 or whatever, we dig that stuff up, you know, aluminum and metal. We smelt it, refine it, roll it, put it together, rivets, welding, et cetera. An extraterrestrial vehicle and all its components are not made that way. They are made by creating a sort of ultrasonic, very high-tech wave that pulls, let's call it the substrate, the elementals that are subatomic, together on, if you can visualize, it's like, almost like a blueprint in energy. And it materializes it.

• 1:40:39Steven Greer?

  So it's seamless. Even the parts that are in it, anything that's energy or electronic related is on a nanomolecular level entwined in it. This is why it's very hard to study this stuff. I mean, it's not like taking apart a Soviet MiG or something. I know the men who worked on these projects, and I mean, you're dealing with really extraordinary, elegant, beautiful material sciences and matter. And that's why the materials are so pure, because they're not dug up and refined. They're actually assembled from this baseline energy-matter interface in spacetime.

• 1:41:23Steven Greer?

  And, make it real for you, there was a captain on a Navy contract vessel back in 62 or 63, and before he died, he contacted me, great guy. And he had been, you know, they were testing the Atlas rockets for intercontinental ballistic, but these didn't have nukes on them. They were testing the rocket and guidance systems back way back. And... They had had a lot of UFO sightings, so the ETs were watching how we were developing in kind of this breakout speed with thermonuclear weapons and intercontinental ballistic Cold War. And one night, they had an object on radar, it was triangulated, they had it on ship radar.

• 1:42:07Steven Greer?

  So the captain has this guy say, hey, look, we have this boogie. And then it got confirmed from their, the command center. And they said, oh, when they, because they were able to do that, unfortunately, they triangulated it and it was hit with some kind of weapon. This was 63. And it dropped, boom, like a rock, right into the South Atlantic Ocean. So he was vectored over to the estimated point of impact and was there to retrieve it. And I have his whole story. And he never wanted to come forward because even when he had to have surgery once, they had an intelligence guy in there when he was on anesthesia, be sure he didn't talk about this. But I have his whole information.

• 1:42:52Steven Greer?

  So what happened is that when he got to the site, there was about a six by six pod and they pulled it up on the ship. And it wasn't the whole craft, the whole craft had gone down, but apparently there was some sort of one molded thing. And there were four, I'm going to use his language, little men that looked like the color of a Sicilian, kind of brown, but 39 inches tall, no hair, and also no external ears, no penna flaps, very fine features. The reason he contacted me, and this is why this is so funny, I've debriefed a thousand, over a thousand men like this.

• 1:43:34Steven Greer?

  He said, I can't figure out how they got in and out of their uniforms. So they had a one-piece uniform, now no zipper and no buttons. And no visible way they could get them out of this thing. And he says, how do they put them on? I said, well, they don't, they don't need a zipper or a button because they are kind of materialized around them. And then dematerialized off. Using this technology, this very advanced, transdimensional physics. And he went, oh, my God, I would have never done. I said, no, I mean, it's how they're doing it. So this is why people who encounter an actual ET craft or the ET, the evans, extraterrestrial biological entities. And they see even their clothing.

• 1:44:18Steven Greer?

  None of it tracks because it's so far advanced.

• 1:44:21Shawn Ryan?

  Well, you know, there was another, um, maybe, I can't remember if it was one or two of the whistleblowers that spoke about this. They spoke about, maybe it was you talking about it, but, um, when they got into the craft, the inside of the craft seemed almost infinite.

• 1:44:42Steven Greer?

  Yep. Yep, that was, that was one of my, was representing a whistleblower who is not ready to be unmasked yet. He still doesn't want to be known publicly. But yes, because you have a dimensional space shift as well. So an object that looks 30 feet across, you go in. And it was so big, you could, if you threw in a football, you couldn't hit the other side of it.

• 1:45:07Steven Greer?

  So, you know, again, all of this gets into an understanding of physics that,

• 1:45:15Steven Greer?

  unfortunately, you know, we're not teaching our kids the real physics, the science of anything. I mean, we're all locked 100 years. This is the other part of the lost century I talk about. Is that it has to do with medical technologies. I mean, as a doctor, I've seen some things that, my God, if we had that, the lives that could be saved. Spinal cord regeneration, regeneration of lost limbs.

• 1:45:40Shawn Ryan?

  You've seen that stuff?

• 1:45:41Steven Greer?

  Yeah. At an underground lab on the Mexican-Texas border.

• 1:45:48Steven Greer?

  Sad.

• 1:45:51Shawn Ryan?

  How were you getting access to this?

• 1:45:54Steven Greer?

  The people who like what I'm trying to do that are in the system take me. And I went to one place, a very funny story. And they had the Marines there, you know, there was all these checkpoints. And the guy said, finally, we got to the last one. And this was a facility, I won't say where it was, but I mean, basically, World War III, for all submarines to be run out of there. And my escort, my military advisor, finally, we got to this last point. We go into the inner, you know, it's this huge place, deep. And the guy goes, and what is Dr. Greer here for? And he says, you don't have a need to know.

• 1:46:38Steven Greer?

  So he played the same need to know thing that we went in. So beyond full disclosure, I've never worked for the government or a contractor. I have no clearances. I don't want a clearance.

• 1:46:51Steven Greer?

  But there are people who know that what we're doing, we're fighting the good fight. And the people in the system, a lot of them are very good people. This is what a lot of people need to understand. They got trapped in a system. We get read into more and more of these compartments. Next thing you know, you're in something. And the guys, as I say this, I want to make a call for more whistleblowers watching to come out. There are guys out there watching your show, Delta Force, Navy SEAL, people in aerospace industry, various military commands that have dealt with or seen this. And they need to come forward because now there's a safe pathway for them to do it. And if you're corporate, now there's a six-month clock on you. And let me be very clear.

• 1:47:36Steven Greer?

  We know who you are and where your assets are.

• 1:47:41Steven Greer?

  And after those six months, you're subject to criminal prosecution. And you'll be lucky if that's all you're subject to. So this is something, this is getting very serious right now. That's why I'm on your show. There's a, there's a six month window. Yep. When does that expire? From the date this bill is finally signed. I mean, it's out of committee, it's going to be voted, and then it'll be, it's amendment to the intelligence bill. Okay, so it's not actually, we're not wrapped up with that yet? No, it's, it is, it's done. It's pretty much, it's done. But it's not in effect yet? Uh, I'll have to ask, I'll have to ask my guy who's shepherding it through. Okay. Yeah. I think it is, actually. Let's talk about the secret airshow in 1988. Norton, yeah.

• 1:48:26Steven Greer?

  Air Force Base. It's a decommissioned Air Force Base, California. Where there was the original ARV that we learned about. Apparently it had mercury component parts from 1959, 60 time period. And it was sort of a circular object, came up to it like a cupola. You see the drawings we have. And we have a man who was at that airshow, who described it in full. It had scorch marks and other things on it, and they had been told at this secret airshow that it in fact had been out in the solar system, out in the space and back. This is late 1950s, early 1960s.

• 1:49:11Steven Greer?

  Now ironically, my uncle who worked on the lunar module, put the first man on the moon, that was 1969. So they're working one track at Grumman, which became North of Grumman. And but then in these deep black projects, they have these things that are zipping out there. And that's 100% true. My understanding, it did not have interstellar capability, it did not have teleportation capability, it didn't have any of that really exotic. But it was a energy, a free, free energy combined with anti-gravity, where if they could get that up there and go out in the space and other places. So that airshow.

• 1:49:54Steven Greer?

  Was basically showing some old antique ones, right? This is 1988. This, this bird was from the late 50s, early 60s. And they had three of them. One was about 25 feet, I believe, one 50, and one 100 feet across. Now, you know, Mr. Herrera, by the time he was in, you know, 2009, whenever it was, in Indonesia, that one was 300 feet across. Manmade. Think of it. Think of the length of a football field, round, floating.

• 1:50:25Shawn Ryan?

  How are you, just, how are you able to tell which one of these are manmade versus ET?

• 1:50:31Steven Greer?

  At a great distance, you would know. If you're up close enough, the manmade ones are going to have components, protrusions, electromagnetic, often. There are going to be seams, welding marks, underneath, or it could be pipes and other things. It's very clearly a manmade machine. The extraterrestrial ones, seamless, they're, they're, they're extruded in this process of how they create them. Even the light they give off is very different because it's coming through such pure material science, extremely pure materials. And then, if you don't have-

• 1:51:10Shawn Ryan?

  We're still in the infancy stages compared, I'm sorry, we're still in the infancy stages of this compared to-

• 1:51:15Steven Greer?

  I'm afraid in 2023, we're certainly not in infancy. We, we have, we have technologies and material science that are far beyond. Look at what Stephen Digna talked about, that Raytheon device. Out of a million people who would have seen or touched that thing, 1 million of them would have said it was extraterrestrial. No one would have thought we had that kind of technology. AI, organic quality to it, that, if you look at his testimony carefully, but that's how they've been getting away with doing the abductions, the quote, "alien abduction hoax."

• 1:51:58Steven Greer?

  The way they've been able to do it is have technologies and also creatures that are, look like they're gray or reptilian or whatever. They're, I know men who've worked on them, actually fabricated them. Those are man-made. And they're used for their psychological warfare of purpose. This is one thing, I would love to get Dr. Jacques Vallée to release this document he has from 1985. It's a CIA official document, and it describes the CIA conducting abductions, alien abductions in Brazil and Argentina, quote, "for their psychological warfare value." Now, this is now, what, almost 40 years ago, 38 years ago. So, this, those sort of projects,

• 1:52:43Steven Greer?

  aside from being a crime in any jurisdiction anywhere on the planet, and a crime against humanity, is creating this false flag psychology, the preparation, because people are brainwashed thinking the aliens are mutilating and the aliens are abducting us. They have no need to do that. Those, that's this disinformation campaign using incredibly high-tech technologies that we've studied from the extraterrestrials. So, this is one of the real problems, is that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. And this was my concern when David Grush started talking about an event where, you know, the aliens were murdering people. I'm going,

• 1:53:26Steven Greer?

  and that went all through Capitol Hill. I'm going, I know that incident, that was us. So, people, and I don't think he understands, because he's a young man, the problem of having a little bit of information on this and thinking you know a lot, is that you're going to step into a booby trap. And the booby trap is being played by the very unconstitutional criminals that people like him were trying to uncover. You were working with Grush, correct? We had met in March of 2022 in Culpeper, Virginia. I was asked to meet with him, and he had a security guy there with him.

• 1:54:07Steven Greer?

  And I told him, look, I'll cooperate and get you anything you need. And so over about a 14-month period, until he told me he was leaving the US government in April of this year, we would periodically, occasionally we spoke through an encrypted system. Usually it was encrypted texts, but I have all these.

• 1:54:27Shawn Ryan?

  This is, correct me if I'm wrong, this is the guy that he was just in the news?

• 1:54:33Steven Greer?

  Yeah.

• 1:54:34Shawn Ryan?

  And he came out that there was a downed craft. We retrieved it with bodies, correct?

• 1:54:40Steven Greer?

  Yes. And those were, a lot of this information I was providing to his bosses. And then he was on a, he was in a field operation to go out and get to places. Now, he never got in to see it firsthand, but he talked to people, of course, that knew about it.

• 1:54:57Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, this actually hit the mainstream media, correct?

• 1:55:01Steven Greer?

  Yeah, yeah. So, you know, he was not the, he's not the principal person I've been dealing with. The principal person would be the equivalent of a two- or three-star general, if he was still in the military. But I think that, you know, I tried, my goal in all of this is that if someone is trying to do this on behalf of the legal government of the United States, I will give them any information I have. But we have a lot. I mean, our repository of intelligence on this, by far, is the largest in the world. Certainly exceeds the legal government of the United States. I will say that for a fact. Now, my concern is, is that when you go from that to then falling into the clutches

• 1:55:44Steven Greer?

  of folks in the UFO community, who then start giving you these tall tales of all these horrible things the aliens have been doing, I'm going, yes, but you haven't been read in to that part of the project. So this is like an onion, a stinking onion. You peel 500 layers of this onion back and there's 500 more. And this is where a little bit of just superficial knowledge is a very dangerous thing, extremely dangerous. And my concern about that is that this is exactly the game that's going to be run on Congress in the White House.

• 1:56:18Shawn Ryan?

  Well, I mean, you're already seeing it. I mean, like I said, this, look, I don't, I don't trust the mainstream media anyways.

• 1:56:25Steven Greer?

  Well, they're, they're an asset of the, of this group.

• 1:56:28Shawn Ryan?

  But a lot of people do. And a lot of people don't put any legitimacy on anything unless Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC, unless they touch it, nobody, I'm not going to say nobody, because there's a growing, the population that doesn't believe in the mainstream media is just continuously getting larger.

• 1:56:51Steven Greer?

  It's probably half the population.

• 1:56:52Shawn Ryan?

  But don't, why do you think, I mean, that would be the biggest story in the world. We've, we've recovered an ET craft with bodies. And every, on every news network, they're all covering it. And then, just like that, it's, it's gone. No photos, no nothing. What happened? Why do you think it just disappeared?

• 1:57:14Steven Greer?

  Well, we know why. I mean, in 2001, when we did the first National Press Club event, we had a guy who was on a team that, for several years, in the 60s, retrieved the bodies and the craft. And he spoke and he had all of his information there. His name is Sergeant Clifford Stone. He's in our archive. Go look at it. So the people we just had at the National Press Club, a YouTube decorated, a YouTube pilot who encountered these objects back in the 60s, 70s, 80s, worked at the Lockheed Operations and Skunk Work interface with Ben Rich directly, personally. He didn't get to go into that. But these guys are all available to, to give testimony. These are firsthand.

• 1:57:59Steven Greer?

  David Grush was secondhand. He never was principally involved.

• 1:58:04Steven Greer?

  Steven Digna, they're with and saw was with two Raytheon guys with these man-made Raytheon devices. DC Long was in an underground facility at on the Range 19 with some Delta guys, took his dad in, who was a contractor, and they accidentally saw this system levitating 100-ton concrete block up in the air, along with some giant boulders. Absolutely true. And we had people who were, you know, at other operations that we brought. Now, those are all 100, every one of our 750 Disclosure Project folks are firsthand

• 1:58:47Steven Greer?

  witnesses, meaning that they weren't people trying to find out like David Grush was. They're people who actually were in there. Interesting that the media won't interview them.

• 1:58:57Shawn Ryan?

  It is.

• 1:58:58Steven Greer?

  If they really want to know the truth, why would you want to talk to a field operator who didn't have firsthand information and skip over the people who actually touched the things, saw them? You see what I'm saying?

• 1:59:11Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:59:12Steven Greer?

  So the public has to ask the question very quickly. How do we get the truth out? I think we're asking everyone to write their member of Congress and their two senators and the White House as an activist responsibility as a citizen of the United States and refer to the National Press Club event in the Disclosure Project archive, because we've sent all this in and say, now we need to see action taken. Now, whether the media, the corporate media, this I honestly believe is controlled by this same corrupt enterprise.

• 1:59:48Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, Doc, they're definitely controlled. I mean, there's multiple, there's multiple videos of them all reporting the exact same shit.

• 1:59:56Steven Greer?

  Right, right.

• 1:59:57Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, it's, it's... It's ridiculous that anybody even watches it anymore.

• 2:00:01Steven Greer?

  Well, I mean, it's staged and the problem with that, they do have, and this is the other big announcement, if there are any attorneys listening, we now have over 150 attorneys and legal professionals on our legal team. And not only will they protect and defend any whistleblowers and the project, but they also are, we're moving quickly towards issuing a civilian RICO, Racketeer Influence Corrupt Organization lawsuit. Who are going to be in the target, all these corporations and individuals, you can't use a civilian RICO against a government agency, but you can, you can target the individuals and the corporations.

• 2:00:44Steven Greer?

  That we are going to be doing in concert with this bill, saying now you need to come out of the cold, or you'll be criminally. We can't criminally prosecute, but there is a US attorney who's on the team that when we find actionable intelligence and get it introduced into court in a civilian RICO, he would then take it and see if he can pursue it under criminal statute.

• 2:01:11Shawn Ryan?

  I got another question, and the question is.

• 2:01:13Steven Greer?

  Great people have come forward in the last few months.

• 2:01:17Shawn Ryan?

  You've, you've had, I don't even know how many people, how many different whistleblowers have contacted you guys and, and you know, if you're not looking at this with a skeptical eye for anybody, you know, that's listening, you should be.

• 2:01:32Steven Greer?

  Yeah.

• 2:01:33Shawn Ryan?

  How are you deciphering who the legitimate whistleblowers are from the quacks?

• 2:01:39Steven Greer?

  First of all, we ask for them to give evidence of they were who they were, where they were. We want to see a DD 214, we want to see records, and then we check them out. And there's someone who's in our team who has the ability to check them out through the system. Now, even with that, you know, you could be tricked. The best I can do, and I remember, we're not the US government with trillions of dollars or the Pentagon with 700 billion. We're a volunteer organization, best, best we can do. But the other thing is because I've debriefed legitimate people for 30 years on this.

• 2:02:23Steven Greer?

  Literally over a thousand people. Not all of them are in the archive because some of them never wanted their names given to me, but they were legit. So what I say is that if the story doesn't track, and the other is if what they're sharing comports with the evidence from another source, but they don't know each other, there's no collusion. So then you say, okay, this gentleman in 1980 saw this, this guy in 2009 saw this, and it was essentially the same kind of operation craft, what have you, they don't know each other, and they're very reluctant, they say, you're not going to believe this, is what they all say. I said, trust me, I'll probably believe it.

• 2:03:07Steven Greer?

  But then when you get a points of corroboration, so what I try to do is find multiple points of corroboration.

• 2:03:13Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 2:03:14Steven Greer?

  Like, we had like a dozen people who knew about the ET concerns, about the nuclear issue. So there's a whole area of multiple points of corroboration. And it's particularly useful when it's a similar event, or company, or facility, base, where they were there at different times and don't know each other. So then you don't have someone being able to match up their stories in some tall tale. So I have my own approach to this.

• 2:03:41Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 2:03:42Steven Greer?

  But obviously, we don't have, at this point. Now, the difference is that when we launch this RICO, civilian RICO action, we'll have subpoena power, and also discovery, so we can go to these bases. Now, we'll have to find a federal judge who'll certify it, we'll see.

• 2:04:00Shawn Ryan?

  I'm glad we went through that because, I mean, it's tough to take somebody's word for things like this, and so it's important to...

• 2:04:07Steven Greer?

  I don't, you know, I do the best I can. Now, we almost were tricked by a guy back in 1997, who was coming to the briefings I set up for Congress back then, offsite at the Weston Hotel in Georgetown, and Edgar Mitchell was there, a bunch of fun people were there.

• 2:04:26Steven Greer?

  And it turned out, he was telling a tall tale. And my military advisor at that time was at a bar and he started talking about stuff that this guy knew absolutely was false. So I had him escorted off the premises. So, you know, you basically get one bite at the apple with us at telling something that ends up to be nonsense. So that's, that's kind of our policy. But we, you know, because we don't have any kind of significant, our budget for all of this has been volunteers and a few donations and people who are devoted to it. So we can do only what we can do with the assets we have.

• 2:05:04Shawn Ryan?

  Well, you got a lot of assets. I mean, we talked about your crowdfunding capabilities earlier and those are quite impressive.

• 2:05:09Steven Greer?

  Right.

• 2:05:10Shawn Ryan?

  So.

• 2:05:11Steven Greer?

  Yeah, we do the best we can, you know, but I always tell people, I'm confident of the ones that we're putting forward and of the ones we have in the archive, which have not come forward. And, and listen, anyone listening, you can come forward and only give information to me that you think is useful. If you want to go to the Arrow process and be protected under the new law and give your testimony, we can do that. If you want to come out publicly, we can do that. It's really up to the person to determine if they were in special forces or Lockheed scientists or whatever, how they want to do it. We just want as many people to come forward because there's, there's strength in numbers.

• 2:05:55Steven Greer?

  But here's the other thing, Sean, we really need. We need to continue to grow the current state of the art knowledge of where facilities are, operations, code numbers, code names, all that. Because that's how the investigators and if necessary, people who will bite force, if necessary, get these projects under control. That's what they need to have.

• 2:06:23Shawn Ryan?

  Well, all the ways to contact you for the whistleblowers and anybody wanting to get involved, volunteer are linked below.

• 2:06:31Steven Greer?

  Great.

• 2:06:32Shawn Ryan?

  And, and back to.

• 2:06:35Shawn Ryan?

  Sorry, I'm kind of all over this place here. We're going down a lot of rabbit holes. But when it comes to, back to the zero-point energy and why the government will want to suppress it, I mean, we've talked about, and they're also in your documentaries as well, that, I mean, you're taking, I mean, let's talk about how ExxonMobil, you know, plays into this.

• 2:06:58Steven Greer?

  Well, all of the big financial, you know, BlackRock, Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan Chase, the big oil, Petrodollar, all that, is, they understand that they want to keep the status quo, or tinker around the edges with what I call the pseudo-environmental initiatives, like a Tesla car that you plug in, well, you have, you know, hundreds of pounds of lithium ion batteries that are toxic, and how they're made and disposed of, charging off a gas and coal-fired grid. You know, people don't think, they think it's free energy. No, you're plugging into a grid that's smokestacks, and maybe nuclear if you're lucky. Very little

• 2:07:39Steven Greer?

  of it is wind and solar. What, 12% something? So, the problem is, it has such a huge impact macroeconomically. But I would correct one thing. It's not the US government doing anything. Like, the US government, I would say virtually no one in the Congress, in the Pentagon, or White House, know about those technologies. So, they're not suppressing them. But are there people undercover of the authority of government doing it? Yes. And that is the criminal aspect in the government. That is the rogue element in the government, whether it's the Patent Office, or the Department of Justice, or anyone. So, they're deliberately,

• 2:08:23Steven Greer?

  I would say the majority of the US government, where you're left, right, center, would like to see a solution to the energy and environmental and poverty problems around the world. But of course, there are a lot of pigs feeding at the trough of the lobbyist money from the impacted industries. Because now we're talking hundreds of trillions of dollars in assets that are tied up in oil, gas, coal, nuclear, public utilities. I mean, you'd look at the Fortune 500 list of companies globally, not to mention nation states, you know. But- You know, I always point out, we've had a 150-year run of that old smokestack technology.

• 2:09:07Steven Greer?

  These others should have begun to come out 100 years ago and transitioned over. Now, we're hitting up a red line, not only geophysically, but geopolitically, where you have half the world in poverty. And let's face it, if everyone in the world where you've been and I've been live like you and I do, the price of a gallon of gasoline would be $150 a gallon if they were using the kind of energy that you and I use, and it was all 8 billion souls on Earth. So, the only way to solve the human future issue and geopolitical problems is to allow these technologies to begin to be phased in that at least, you know, create energy, even if we hold back the things that fly.

• 2:09:52Steven Greer?

  I think these electroggravitics need to be held back.

• 2:09:55Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, what I'm trying to do is, is bring to the light how many corporations would be pissed off if we did hit zero-point energy. You know, the gas industry, the power industry.

• 2:10:13Steven Greer?

  Oh, sure.

• 2:10:14Shawn Ryan?

  The car industry.

• 2:10:15Steven Greer?

  It's huge.

• 2:10:16Shawn Ryan?

  Everyone.

• 2:10:17Steven Greer?

  Well, the car energy would just have to pivot to the type of motor, an electric motor with a zero-point generator and a little teeny 3-volt battery will start it up. You don't need these lithium-ion ginormous battery banks. Those can be retrofitted, but yes, your public utilities eventually will retire because every home business will have its own energy source. Your big fossil fuel, oil, gas, coal, nuclear power plants, they will all be mothballed. Now, the only thing you'd really need oil for is, you know, chemicals, petrochemicals, plastics, things like that. So that is something, though, it's not gonna happen instantaneously.

• 2:11:02Steven Greer?

  As I said earlier, this is like a global Marshall Plan to rebuild the planet and regain this 100 years of lost social evolution for our civilization. But we've squandered 100 years, and I don't think we have 100 years left to fix it. I don't think we have 20. So I think that well within your lifetime, and probably mine, if I live old enough, certainly my grandchildren, we're gonna need to have this established and done, or we're gonna be in a true existential crisis. So you have multiple crises coming in at once.

• 2:11:41Steven Greer?

  You know, the secrecy around UFOs, which is part and parcel, keeping secret these technologies, right? And who is that benefiting? A handful of elites, super elites. Now, your average guy working at a utility plant or in an oil field, those are gonna need to be supported and retrained to these new high-tech industries dealing with making this whole new system. But I think, you know, we need to be very compassionate about the fact that there will be people displaced.

• 2:12:11Shawn Ryan?

  Well, at the same time, though, everything that we know will be a lot more affordable, because it will not take the energy that it takes to produce all these things right now. That energy will be free.

• 2:12:28Steven Greer?

  That's the biggest component. You think about the energy it goes into digging into raw materials up, manufacturing it, shipping it to a place where it's assembled, shipping it again, and then delivering it to your store or your home. And everything from the delivery vans and jets to the manufacturing process is running on the current energy system. So yes, when the energy costs go to zero, after you have a device that's operative... Then you're looking at the ability to have extraordinary abundance. And this is a tide that will lift all the boats in the third world and developing world also, by the way. And it's sort of like how they leapfrog from landlines that we used to have, right to

• 2:13:13Steven Greer?

  sell, and they just bypass the landlines. The rest of the world will be able to go from having nothing in the way of energy generation, 3 billion people have no power or energy at all, to having these systems. And suddenly, you're going to see so much happen in the world that is going to be a human advancement. And aside from the air and everything becoming pristine and clean, there are going to be such great opportunities for the dispossessed people of the world, which I think if you don't pay attention to that, this is how you end up in disgruntled segments of the population in the world that later become terrorists or adversaries.

• 2:13:57Steven Greer?

  So I think looking at this in the largest possible way, it's a win-win for everyone if we take care of the workers that would be displaced. As for the mega giant corporate entities, they just need to pivot to these new technologies and realize that era is over.

• 2:14:17Shawn Ryan?

  Let's talk about some of the ways that they are suppressing these methods of free energy. Black shelving.

• 2:14:24Steven Greer?

  Yep, easy. I know guys who've had this happen where they pick it up, they'll get a buyout, "Oh, here's $50 million." Lieutenant Colonel Bearden had a man who had one of these devices back years ago, and the guy didn't have a pot to pee in. He was very, sort of this inventor bootstrapping it. Thing was real. It was a real free energy device. And next thing you know, he's driving around in a Lamborghini and wearing Armani suits.

• 2:14:53Steven Greer?

  Well, you know, he got basically they paid, but he said, yeah, I can't talk about that. It was bought. It was put on the black shelf of a corporation. There it sits. So with enough money, you can pretty much buy out. What's your number? In other words, because if you're protecting a $900 trillion asset base, what is $50 million?

• 2:15:12Shawn Ryan?

  Nothing.

• 2:15:13Steven Greer?

  Nothing, right? So, and I know many people have had this happen. So that black shelving goes on all the time. The other, of course, and then you get into more nefarious activities.

• 2:15:24Shawn Ryan?

  National security orders.

• 2:15:26Steven Greer?

  Yep, NSOs. We have one in the film. It shows the Patent Office slapping a national security on a patent application of an inventor I know, whose lab I have been in.

• 2:15:36Shawn Ryan?

  Patent seizures, financial entanglements.

• 2:15:40Steven Greer?

  Yep.

• 2:15:41Shawn Ryan?

  Legal entanglements, credible threats, scientific fraud. What is, what do you mean by scientific fraud?

• 2:15:48Steven Greer?

  Well, this is where they will deliberately take a device and cause it to be altered. So it doesn't work, but they trick people to get money out of them. So in other words, I've actually been a victim of a couple of these. Very clever. But it's basically where you try to siphon off the resources. There's a big venture capital guy I know. He was almost taken last year for $150 million by a group that was gonna put it into a fraudulent effort. But so by intercepting that man's interest, they would then, of course, sidelightening.

• 2:16:28Steven Greer?

  So not his, his financial interests were not going to something productive that was deliberately being put into a fraudulent sting operation. I've seen a number of these.

• 2:16:41Shawn Ryan?

  Media corporation.

• 2:16:43Steven Greer?

  Well, the media, part of the problem is that even if you have one of these devices, is the media gonna report on it honestly? Well, it's just like the UFO issue, which is another reason why we need influencers like yourself, but also some of these celebrities that have supported what we're doing. Because my view is that if we had one of these things right here on the table and it worked, and we tested it, reproduced it, had plans for it, the first 30 that we would make would go to some key people in DC and some big time celebrities that have their house running on it. And you'd have 2 billion people find out about it in a matter of days.

• 2:17:24Steven Greer?

  Because what you have to do is figure that the corrupt influences in the scientific and media community that have kept the UFO issue secret are gonna kick in on this. So you have to develop a strategy to work around that. I liken to we need to be sort of water flowing, and if there's a huge boulder in front of us, we flow around it or find a way around. Because there are gonna be these obstacles, and there have been. And that's one of the big problems. If the media had done its job on all these issues, notwithstanding their lip service to the environment and climate change, if they had done their investigatory job as

• 2:18:04Steven Greer?

  the fourth estate and a free press, I wouldn't have had to leave my medical career. So the biggest liability here is with the media. Wet works. Well, that's just a term used at the agency for assassinations and targeted killings. It's just a slang, but wet comes from blood, obviously. But yeah, a number of people, one in particular I worked with very closely, was killed, and I think others have been over the years, you know, because they didn't do anything rational. Here's how they, I'll be honest with you, if you have this kind of information...

• 2:18:47Steven Greer?

  You're sort of holding a hand grenade in your hand that the pen's been pulled. If it's a legitimate system. Because there are all these corrupt interests that'll do everything in their power to keep it from going from your lab out to the public. So I think this is where you have to then have a strategic plan to disclose it open source and then get it out through alternative media and influencers and celebrities. I mean, everyone from Leo DiCaprio to Ariana Grande would be thrilled to have a device like this to save the environment, right? So you use the strengths we have.

• 2:19:26Steven Greer?

  The strengths we have is that 99% of the population would benefit from this. Most of the people who are highly influential artists and celebrities would love to see it. And even the corrupt politicians, once the public demand it, they'll have to do it. They'll have to say, "Yeah, thank you for your donation ExxonMobil, but we're still going to have to support this." So a lot of this comes down to the public, we the people, stepping in on this. I think it's a huge mistake to think that the government of the United States or a big corporation's going to do this. The history shows they will not.

• 2:20:08Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, that's for damn sure. There's, I just, we're running out of time here. I know you've got a flight to catch, but there's a couple of things that I wanted to ask you, one of them being MAGIC, the organization that runs covert projects. Can you expound upon that a little bit?

• 2:20:29Steven Greer?

  Well, Majority Joint Intelligence Committee. It's a name that's been used.

• 2:20:39Steven Greer?

  Back in the old days, there was allegedly a group called Majestic Twelve. That was a group in the Truman era, early Eisenhower era. But it's basically a committee, it's transnational, people from different countries that are on the upper end policy group of this whole problem. And there are a number of people have been involved over the years, certainly Admiral Bobby Ray Enman, former Vice President Dick Cheney, George H. W. Bush, a number of people. And I've met with some of the others. And they pretty much determine policy on these sort of big global issues.

• 2:21:21Steven Greer?

  And part of their portfolio would be the UFO issue, part of it would be all this new energy issue because they're hand and glove, the same thing. And then there are other problematic agendas.

• 2:21:34Shawn Ryan?

  How many people do you think are involved in this?

• 2:21:36Steven Greer?

  I think at the upper level, my understanding is about 200 or 300 folks.

• 2:21:40Shawn Ryan?

  Globally?

• 2:21:41Steven Greer?

  Yes. Oh, yeah, it's totally global. You know, I tell people, it's not international, the way we think of the State Department, and it's transnational. So they basically maneuver, and also in other countries, this organization moves with alacrity across all boundaries with these sort of assets, these sort of man-made UFOs, and can do all kinds of operations with, they don't need the permission of the host legal government. So this has become a global power. When Senator Inouye said, there exists a secret government with its own air force, its own navy, its own funding mechanism that's above the law and free from the law itself, right?

• 2:22:22Steven Greer?

  He was chairman of the committees back then. And then he confirmed to my attorney, when my attorney, Derek Garcia, was a young intern up on Capitol Hill, that in fact, he had seen the 2001 Disclosure Project event, said, yep. Senator Inouye said, oh, that's true, and there is a secret government running all this. So I tell people, don't take my word for it, listen to this high-ranking senator. There have been a number of people who tried to blow the whistle on this and point people in the right way, and no one followed up on it. And I think it's now, we're reaching a point now where I think we're out of time. To let this stretch on for another even two or three years.

• 2:23:06Steven Greer?

  My understanding is that if within six to 12 months, the results of this new bill is not forthcoming, in other words, if these corporations and individuals don't capitulate and provide what they have to the legal US government, then force will be necessary.

• 2:23:29Shawn Ryan?

  Which brings us to the strike team.

• 2:23:31Steven Greer?

  Yep.

• 2:23:33Shawn Ryan?

  Do you want to talk about the strike team?

• 2:23:35Steven Greer?

  I'll just say carefully that people who are utterly fed up in the legal government, who have the means to do something beyond a hearing, that are, you know, special operators and what have, absolutely a clock has been set.

• 2:24:00Shawn Ryan?

  Let's talk about...

• 2:24:01Steven Greer?

  And the reason for that is they now realize that the organizations doing this are treasonous, and they are subverting the interests and the national security of the United States, and the rogue elements, the worst, are doing all kinds of crimes undercover of Pentagon or undercover of agency, undercover of the government.

• 2:24:25Steven Greer?

  Excuse me, this is a complete abuse of power, so...

• 2:24:30Shawn Ryan?

  So is this strike team from the US government?

• 2:24:33Steven Greer?

  I don't want to comment beyond that it would be, it'd be an authorized operation against these illegally run rogue elements.

• 2:24:43Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 2:24:43Steven Greer?

  Okay, and obviously with full rights to do so, so obviously. And the real question becomes...

• 2:24:54Steven Greer?

  Those guys, anyone involved with that, would need to have enough detailed information about what the adversary has, right? You're gonna walk into an ambush otherwise. So, one of the things we have to do is get as much good, detailed information on methods, assets, where they're located, where the bases are, where the entries are, what technologies that can be deployed as a countermeasure. But we're all hoping this never has to happen. Because if the American people listening would actually take action, and the members

• 2:25:34Steven Greer?

  of Congress and the White House would begin to take this very seriously, all of that could be avoided. And so, my hope is that there is a smooth, non-kinetic solution. Let's just put it that way.

• 2:25:52Shawn Ryan?

  Completely unrelated to that.

• 2:25:53Steven Greer?

  Yeah.

• 2:25:54Shawn Ryan?

  The Hopi prophecy.

• 2:25:58Steven Greer?

  Yeah, the Hopis. Well, you know, this is interesting, because the time we live in, many people feel, many ancient peoples, and even scriptures, related to the time of, you know, sort of the ending of one whole era and the opening of another. And I think that's the truth. I think we're at this point of transition between an old world and a new one. Now, some people say it's the end of the world. I say, no, it's the end of the old world and the opening of a new one. So, in the Hopi prophecy, the Hopi prophecy rock, you know, there's one line that terminates, and that's our civilization terminating if we don't get this right. There's another one where then it takes off and it goes off into infinity.

• 2:26:42Steven Greer?

  So, it's like humanity, as I see it, is at this critical juncture, where we need to choose whether we're gonna go forward and keep going for hundreds of thousands of years and go out into space peacefully, all of it. Or we're gonna... Blow the whole system and not and have a terminal situation. So the Hopis had this in their prophecy. Who are the Hopis? It was a Native American tribe in the desert southwest. Okay. My people, my grandmother was Cherokee. But you know, I'm familiar with some of these different traditions. And I think that my dad was half Cherokee, half Scottish, interesting mix.

• 2:27:24Steven Greer?

  But but I think this is why you look at it. Many people around the world get this sense that we're at this inflection point, not just politics and this and what have you, but our whole civilization. And I think these extraterrestrial civilizations know that. They know that we could get into a lot of bad trouble and have things happen that will be extinction level events if we're not careful. On the other hand, they know that if we came together and were for once in our history, did the right thing peacefully, we could transition to a civilization that literally will be interstellar. Maybe not in my lifetime, but in probably your children's.

• 2:28:09Steven Greer?

  Wouldn't that be something? Yep, yep, oh yeah. I have no doubt. We certainly have the means to do it, the technological. Do you have hope? You think we're gonna get there? Oh, I do. I wouldn't be doing this if I were a pessimist. I mean, I think it's gonna be a bumpy ride. I mean, a smooth transition would have been before I was born, when the ETs warned Truman and Eisenhower to make the transition. But I think absolutely we can do it. I had a beautiful lucid dream back when I was a young man, and it was way in the future. Maybe I was around the age I am now. And I was out at what looked like white sands. And it was, and I met my wife in a lucid dream.

• 2:28:52Steven Greer?

  I have this sort of ability to dream in the future and then meet people, like the Aboriginals with dream time and all that. It's also a Cherokee tradition. But so I had this dream and it was this beautiful clear day. The whole US military was supporting this peaceful contact event between humans and an extraterrestrial vehicle that was descending. And there was a very ancient ET elder that came out of it. And it was televised globally and the whole world saw it.

• 2:29:26Steven Greer?

  And, you know, it was nothing scary about it. It wasn't like some scary thing. It was a very beautiful thing. So I, when I had that vision and dream, I said, well, that's one possible future. You know, now there are other possible futures. And this gets into the almost of spiritual question is the exercise of free will by humans, individually and collectively. Now, I chose to lead my medical career to do this at great difficulty. But everyone can make their own decision here. Are you going to write to your member of Congress? If you're someone involved in these covert projects, are you going to come forward or not? These are all moral decisions, as I see it. Spiritual and moral, ethical.

• 2:30:10Steven Greer?

  Everybody, you know, everyone thinks morality is, you know, the peccadilloes of men having affairs. I mean, no, no, no. That's what, you know, in the Middle Ages was considered the foibles and silliness of humanity. We're talking real moral choices here. What are you going to do when you find out there's an issue like this? And are you going to step up to the plate to fix it? So it's a, it's a moral question and ethical question for the Congress, the President, all of us, and I think every citizen here and around the world. Because remember, these same projects have assets parallel, not as big, in the United Kingdom, Australia, Brazil, other countries, no question.

• 2:30:49Shawn Ryan?

  I was going to ask that, if there were any foreign, you know, companies that are involved in this.

• 2:30:55Steven Greer?

  Oh, many. And this whole committee that deals with it is like a little U N O on its own. It's definitely international. I know for a fact.

• 2:31:06Shawn Ryan?

  Man.

• 2:31:07Steven Greer?

  It's global. Yeah, it's global.

• 2:31:10Shawn Ryan?

  And scary, you know, and.

• 2:31:11Steven Greer?

  Well, they are scary, but they're not that many. So here's the thing, is what I tell people. The vast majority of everyone on Earth, the vast majority of everyone in legitimate governments of the Earth would be on the side of what we're advocating, if they know the facts, the evidence. So that's what we have to put in front of them and hope people make the right choice. That's all I can do. I'm nobody. I'm a private civilian, retired from medicine. But I do think that if the message resonates and enough people act, it kind of creates this collective conscious wave of change.

• 2:31:48Shawn Ryan?

  How would you like them to act?

• 2:31:51Steven Greer?

  I think that the leaders, the public needs to just get involved with this and write to their leaders and point them to the assets that we've handed off, the Disclosure Project Intelligence Archive, and ask for open hearings, not, I think the classified hearing process needs to end. We need to go to open hearings. And I know that's why Congressman Burchett and Comer, the Chair of the Government Oversight Committee, and I understand the Speaker of the House, all think there should be open hearings on this. The risk there is that they all get gaslit, like I was talking about. But this is where the public needs to weigh in and say, don't be fooled by this other disinformation trajectory that's going to

• 2:32:34Steven Greer?

  be put in front of you. Like last year, the Pentagon released 1,500 pages of material from Dr. Kit Green and others that are involved in these clandestine operations with alien mutilations and abductions and people being burned. And every one of those cases in there, I know for a fact, were done by humans, masquerading as an alien encounter. So the risk of having people at the National Security Council and the Congress being deceived because they have no information is very great. And this is where, as Eisenhower said, "Only an informed citizenry can avoid our loss of our democracy." He said it. I'm paraphrasing.

• 2:33:19Steven Greer?

  If you look up that speech, "an informed citizenry." So that's why guys like you are, I think, so key to this, is helping to get the information out.

• 2:33:27Shawn Ryan?

  Well, thank you. I am honored to be a part of it. And, you know, Doctor, once again, I just really appreciate your time and coming here and educating my audience and myself, because I am new to this whole subject.

• 2:33:43Steven Greer?

  Yeah.

• 2:33:47Shawn Ryan?

  I just keep diving deeper.

• 2:33:48Steven Greer?

  Hey, it's a band of brothers and sisters trying to do something great for the country and the world. And I remember my mother's ancestors were the first POWs against the British in the American Revolution. And they were this little ragtag, they really were, I mean, George Washington, all of them. And look where they were going up against the British Empire. But they won.

• 2:34:11Shawn Ryan?

  Yep.

• 2:34:12Steven Greer?

  So I always tell people, you know, you have to have, the human spirit is capable of achieving great things when we come together and do it. So that's what we need to do.

• 2:34:21Shawn Ryan?

  Very true. And, um, well, I'd like to end this. Eisenhower warned us about the military industrial complex, and I'm gonna play his speech at the end of this.

• 2:34:33Steven Greer?

  Great.

• 2:34:34Shawn Ryan?

  He warned us about this a long time ago, and here it is.

• 2:34:36Steven Greer?

  1961.

• 2:34:38Speaker 04

  A vital element in keeping the peace is our military establishment. Our arms must be mighty, ready for instant action, so that no potential aggressor may be tempted to risk his own destruction. Our military organization today bears little relation to that known of any of my predecessors in peacetime, or indeed by the fighting men of World War II or Korea. Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well.

• 2:35:21Speaker 04

  But we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense. We have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security alone more than the net income of all United States corporations. Now, this conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience.

• 2:35:59Speaker 04

  The total influence, economic, political, even spiritual, is felt in every city, every state house, every office of the federal government.

• 2:36:11Speaker 04

  We recognize the imperative need for this development, yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources, and livelihood are all involved. So is the very structure of our society.

• 2:36:28Speaker 04

  In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

• 2:36:47Speaker 04

  We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.

• 2:37:13Shawn Ryan?

  Doctor, best of luck to you, and I can't wait to see you again.

• 2:37:16Steven Greer?

  Great, thank you.

• 2:37:17Shawn Ryan?

  Same for us.

• 2:37:18Steven Greer?

  Thank you, appreciate it.