#278 Ro Khanna - Why is Congress Afraid to Subpoena Every Name in the Epstein Files?

Ro Khanna is the U. S. Representative for California's 17th Congressional District (Silicon Valley) since 2017, serving his fifth term as a Democrat. In this episode, Shawn and Ro discuss the recent drop of the Epstein Files and the two tier system of justice in America. Follow the market here - https://polymarket.com/event/will-anyone-be-jailed-over-epstein-disclosures Shawn Ryan Show Sponsors: Go to helixsleep.com/SRS for 27% Off Sitewide. Make sure you enter our show name after checkout so they know we sent you! New customers can save 35% on your first month of subscription by going to https://dosedaily.co/SRS or entering SRS at checkout. Learn a new language and get up to 55% off your subscription at https://babbel.com/SRS Rules and restrictions may apply. If you’re ready to upgrade your daily routine with BUBS MCT Creamer and Collagen, head to https://bubsnaturals.com/SRS and use code SHAWN for 20% off your order. Ro Khanna Links: Website - https://khanna.house.gov Campaign Site - https://www.rokhanna.com X - https://x.com/RoKhanna FB - https://www.facebook.com/RepRoKhanna IG - https://www.instagram.com/rokhannausa Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 1:05Shawn Ryan?

  You ready to do this, Ro?

• 1:07Speaker 03

  Back in the hot seat.

• 1:08Shawn Ryan?

  Dude, I can't believe you're back already.

• 1:11Speaker 03

  I mean, I didn't think that we'd get this much out this fast. I came on your podcast, and then two weeks later, the Justice Department decides to release 50% of the files. So I figured, maybe if I come back, they'll release the other 50%.

• 1:27Shawn Ryan?

  Hopefully. Uh, wow. I mean, I'm gonna be... You're my fourth interview this week. I've dug in as much as I can. Thank you for coming. I'm not an expert on this stuff. I'm trying to figure out what's real, what's not real, and sift through this shit. And I want to know, you know, what do we do next? But, um, so thanks for coming, Ro. I really appreciate it. And the last episode was awesome. I mean, I took a lot of heat for it. You probably did too. But I think this is, you know, it's what needs to happen.

• 2:03Speaker 03

  I just want to say you're not a communist, just because you have me on. We can talk to each other, even if we don't agree. And we certainly get agreed that pedophiles shouldn't be protected in America.

• 2:14Shawn Ryan?

  That's right.

• 2:15Speaker 03

  The stuff has been worse than even I anticipated. I don't know what you thought.

• 2:19Shawn Ryan?

  I couldn't believe some of the shit that I was saying in there. And we're gonna go into... As much of that as you want and as I want today, but I wanted to open it up with a quote. Let's see if you know who wrote this. Remember when we learned that our wealthiest and most powerful people were connected to a guy who ran a literal child sex trafficking ring? And then that guy died mysteriously in jail and now we just don't talk about it. You know who wrote that?

• 2:50Speaker 03

  Our Vice President JD Vance?

• 2:52Shawn Ryan?

  JD Vance wrote that in September 4th, 21.

• 2:56Speaker 03

  Back when he used to be a populist. I knew him back then.

• 2:59Shawn Ryan?

  What happened?

• 3:00Speaker 03

  I don't know. Look, I used to, I went to, uh, factory towns with JD Vance. He used to talk about why our jobs are going offshore, hollowing out of our factories. You know, Tim Ryan, me and JD were across, uh, small town America. And I thought, okay, I disagree with this guy, but he's got the same values, like stand up for ordinary Americans. And he sounded the alarm on the Epstein files, as did Donald Trump. I mean, they made this a huge thing. And I just, I tweeted at him yesterday. Sometimes we go back and forth. And I said, JD, you talk about being a man. You talk about, let's have not diminish masculinity in America. To me, being a man means standing up and respecting.

• 3:39Shawn Ryan?

  Standing up for what you believe in, no matter what the fucking consequences are. That's what being a man is. Being a man is not keeping your fucking mouth shut because daddy's got a thumb on you. That's what this is. That's what's happening and it's fucking pissing me off and it's pissing all of the American people off.

• 3:57Speaker 03

  And he looks emasculated to Trump. I mean, why can't he just get out there and say, yeah, I'm going to stand up to these powerful men? Who, uh, are involved in the raping of American girls, like? Anyone who has a sister, anyone who has a daughter, anyone who has a wife should be offended and being a man, in my view, means standing up for the respect and dignity of, uh, women not being abused and standing up to evil men like that. Like you went and fought wars against the bad guys, right? This is, this is like, are you on the good guy's side or the bad guy's side? And, uh, I still hope, cause I, I want what's right for survivors. I, I'm sure someone is going to show this to the, the Vice President. I hope he remembers

• 4:42Speaker 03

  what, what he was like before he got into this position. All he's got to do is put out a statement, release all the files. Let's hold these people accountable and went to Epstein's Island. I don't know how hard it is.

• 4:53Shawn Ryan?

  Looks like maybe he's had a change of opinion. Unfortunately, but uh, and you know, before we get too much too far into this, I just it was really cool to introduce to to get you and Schlep to meet each other. We we had a great episode with him yesterday about all about what he's doing with Roblox and to be able to show you all of the stuff that's not even all of the stuff, some of the stuff that's going on there like the Epstein Island game or recreating all of the mass shooter events, Sandy Hook, Yodolvy, what what were some of the other ones, Jeremy? There there are Columbines in there.

• 5:29Speaker 03

  I was sick.

• 5:30Shawn Ryan?

  Grocery store in New York. 9/11.

• 5:33Speaker 03

  I had no idea. Look, I Schlep's a courageous guy and I'm glad you had him on and he's taken on some of this abuse that is going on on on Roblox and I did a petition to to support him because of that. But I had no idea just till five minutes ago that they have a game on Sandy Hook where you're the shooter and you kill your own mom like the Sandy Hook assassinated and then you go into the school and they show you uh blowing up kids in a bathroom. I mean, it is sick.

• 6:04Shawn Ryan?

  Not only that, the victims' names are over the characters, the kids that were

• 6:12Speaker 03

  The actual victims.

• 6:12Shawn Ryan?

  Yes, the kids that were killed. We have screenshots of this shit. They have they have the victims' names that were killed in some of these incidents is is actual characters in the game that you shoot and kill.

• 6:26Speaker 03

  That makes me so angry. It's it's it's certainly illegal.

• 6:29Shawn Ryan?

  This is safe for kids though, Ro, according to them.

• 6:32Speaker 03

  And you you wonder why we've got a culture where you got school shootings. You're celebrating and teaching kids to celebrate school shootings where you can be the shooter and go kill these kids.

• 6:41Shawn Ryan?

  Not only that, you're building them a legacy that will live forever. You're you're you're it's almost like they're memorializing this shit. You know what I mean? You've built you've built a legacy where kids can go and reenact this.

• 6:54Speaker 03

  Celebrate it.

• 6:55Shawn Ryan?

  It's it's it's it's it's. There's little kids on this game, little kids.

• 7:02Speaker 03

  It's got, I mean, that whole thing needs to come down. Uh, and then Epstein Island, Schlep was showing that to me, I was, that's chilling. I mean, they've recreated the island where young girls were raped. And you've got kids going and roaming around on their video games on these islands. I mean, what are we thinking in this country?

• 7:22Shawn Ryan?

  It's, it's.

• 7:24Speaker 03

  Like, I don't know, I grew up, I played Little League, you play, you go watch the Phillies or the Sixers, I mean, you don't, people played video games, but our video games weren't like.

• 7:33Shawn Ryan?

  RBI baseball and.

• 7:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, seriously, Madden. You don't go blow up young kids. I mean, there's something sick, right? There's, the Epstein class, the Epstein file show how sick the elite are in our country. We could have a much longer conversation, but what we're doing with our kids is just going to replicate that and make it worse. It's disgusting and I, I hope people watch that episode with Schlep and I hope it, it triggers a serious reform on, uh, on Roblox or the platform and in general of this video junk that's out there.

• 8:07Shawn Ryan?

  Oh, a lot of people are gonna watch it. I did one with Ryan Montgomery and they lost $6 billion in one week, starting on the day we released the episode.

• 8:17Speaker 03

  On this stuff?

• 8:19Shawn Ryan?

  On this stuff. You can see the graph, it goes.

• 8:23Speaker 03

  You, you have no fear of taking these powerful people on, huh?

• 8:27Shawn Ryan?

  I wouldn't say I have no fear, I just think this is why I'm here. Cause nobody else is doing this shit.

• 8:35Speaker 03

  No.

• 8:36Shawn Ryan?

  I shouldn't say nobody else is doing this shit. People that are in positions with very large audiences are not doing anything to protect kids and I'm the only fucking one that has.

• 8:47Speaker 03

  Cause they're afraid of getting sued. I know you, you face all that, they're afraid of having billionaires and powerful people turn on them and it's not easy to take on these.

• 8:56Shawn Ryan?

  I've never had a billionaire or a powerful person do a fucking thing for me in my life. I don't need them. I don't fucking need him. Anyways, Ro Khanna, Representative for California's 17th Congressional District in Silicon Valley, co-sponsor along with Rep. Massey, the bill to fully release the Epstein files to the public. Huge drop of files on the DOJ website last week, so I want to dive in and, and, and see what's, what all this means, why so many names were redacted, abuser names redacted, that's kind of weird, don't you think we'd want to know who's ordering hits and burying bodies and all this other shit?

• 9:38Shawn Ryan?

  But, uh, as of today, Polly Market says there's only a 19% chance that anyone will be jailed over the Epstein disclosures. What do you think about that?

• 9:50Speaker 03

  It's up from like 3 or 4%, so we're moving in.

• 9:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, but look, they're, they're obviously people who need to be prosecuted and investigated. They haven't released the names of the co-conspirators still, even though they were, they've released the indictments where we know that other people were involved. Every single person who is in those files who says, "I went to Epstein's island," or "I went to this ranch in New Mexico," or "I went to Epstein's home," uh, "and I know that there were young girls there at all of those places," any one of those people need to be investigated, they need to be held in front of Congress, and they need to be held accountable, and they need to be asked, "What did you see? What did you do? What did you know?" Look, I've done a lot of fundraising.

• 10:39Speaker 03

  You don't have to go to some island to raise money from a rich guy. You don't have to go to some, uh, party where you know there are young girls being paraded around to raise money. You can have a coffee, you could have a dinner, you know? Uh, and so this idea that, "Oh, we just all went there to raise money," come on.

• 10:57Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, it's, you know what, you know what's really interesting is how fast the narrative is starting to change, or, or, or this, this narrative they're trying to build. Like Todd Blanch, we saw on Fox News the other day, Todd Blanch said, in quotes, "If any member of Congress wishes to review any portions of the, of the responsive production in any unredacted form, they're welcome to make arrangements with the department to do so, and we're happy to do that."

• 11:25Shawn Ryan?

  Okay, here we go. Who was he sharing torture videos with? Who did he have killed? And who was talking about the foreign girls buried at his Zorro Ranch? That would be a great fucking start, Todd Blanch.

• 11:39Speaker 03

  Seriously.

• 11:39Shawn Ryan?

  Who also said, "It's not a party, it's not a crime to party with Epstein." I'm sorry, it is a fucking crime if you're fucking minors. What the hell is that? But, um, but, uh, I mean, how, how could you even say that? It's not a crime to party with Epstein?

• 11:57Speaker 03

  One of the most dumbest and most offensive things I've heard. I mean, no one is talking about being a Playboy. No one's talking about, oh, you go to a party and there are women there and you're having affairs.

• 12:08Shawn Ryan?

  They're not at the Playboy mansion.

• 12:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, exactly.

• 12:10Shawn Ryan?

  They're at an island with a bunch of minors as, as young as, I think we saw...

• 12:15Speaker 03

  Nine?

• 12:16Shawn Ryan?

  Nine years old?

• 12:17Speaker 03

  There was one email that said a nine-year-old Brazilian.

• 12:19Shawn Ryan?

  Nine-year-old Brazilian kid, girl?

• 12:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 12:23Shawn Ryan?

  Boy?

• 12:24Speaker 03

  Nine-year-old Brazilian, and by the way, they've redacted the name of the person who sent that email.

• 12:29Shawn Ryan?

  Well, we gotta protect all the friends.

• 12:31Speaker 03

  I, I mean, that's the thing, they, they didn't redact the survivors in certain cases. They had nude images of young girls that they released, but they blacked out names of people who've sent Epstein an email saying, "I enjoyed the nine-year-old Brazilian, I enjoyed your young girl who was naughty." I mean, it's sick. But the point is, you know, this is not some Epstein party. These are people who are going there and at the very least, they know their parties were young girls are being paraded naked. Paraded naked, 13-year-old, 14-year-old being paraded naked. They know that there are people who are raping and abusing girls on that island. They know that, they know that Epstein is on it. And anyone who thinks that it was just Epstein and Maxwell when they're 1,200 survivors, I mean, they're just total liars.

• 13:15Speaker 03

  And so, you, you know, I, I think Blanch should come here. I think he should, you know, I think he should sit down man-to-man with you. Go through it. I mean, if he has nothing to hide, fine, he's, he's, he wants members of Congress to, to go there. And I'm, I'm gonna go with Massey and Nancy Mace and we're arranging it, our teams are arranging it. But why not have a real interview? The, the, the media that gets three minutes, he does a bunch of his, uh, uh, song and dance and, you know, that you don't get real answers. Sit down for two hours.

• 13:41Shawn Ryan?

  Well done. He's just gonna sit here and lie to my face. We actually had an opportunity for him to be on the show and I just fucking got ghosted.

• 13:50Speaker 03

  He should come.

• 13:50Shawn Ryan?

  Set up from within the administration.

• 13:52Speaker 03

  Well, if he doesn't want to come, Pam Bondi should come. Some.

• 13:55Shawn Ryan?

  But they're all just gonna fucking lie, bro.

• 13:58Speaker 03

  They can't lie for two hours. They can't lie for two hours. I mean, it's a, it's a, just sit here. They all wanted to come before the election. They all wanted to do the two hour, three hour podcast or have Vance come. Have some person come and explain why they've redacted what they've redacted.

• 14:14Shawn Ryan?

  These are also all the same people that told us all about the fake news for eight years? And how they'll never go back on the fake news until you get elected. And then there's no more hour long, two hour, three hour, four hour conversations. It's two second news hits on Fox News. They don't do podcasts anymore.

• 14:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, well.

• 14:36Shawn Ryan?

  It's back, it's back. Hey, let me get my daughter-in-law a job at Fox News and I'll just fucking go on there and say fuck all the podcasts. Good job.

• 14:45Speaker 03

  They're forgetting how they want.

• 14:47Shawn Ryan?

  Another lie. Another fucking lie. But I, I just, I don't even know. I don't even know where to start with this stuff. But I do want to ask one thing. We, we made.

• 15:04Shawn Ryan?

  This isn't a right versus a left thing and that's, that's, that's, that's why you're here. And so I want to know, why did you vote no to hold the Clintons in contempt of Congress?

• 15:15Speaker 03

  Sure. I voted yes on civil contempt. I voted no on criminal contempt. And I voted no on criminal contempt because I said after the release of the files, they should come testify. They've agreed to testify. So if they hadn't come and testified, I would have voted yes ultimately on criminal contempt. But the vote then was yes on civil contempt, no on criminal contempt. And they are testifying on February 26.

• 15:39Shawn Ryan?

  What is the difference? Can you just explain the difference to the audience?

• 15:42Speaker 03

  Criminal contempt means you can go to jail. Civil contempt means that you could be fined. You have, you don't go to jail. It's a, it's a fine. It's a violation of Congress. But the point is, I just thought it was premature when Comer was already negotiating. And what I said is, after the files get released, they should come. This was before the files were released. As soon as the files were released, they're, they're, they've come. I mean, it's 50% of the files, but it's enough. And if they hadn't come before Congress, which they're now coming, I would have voted for criminal contempt. And I said that at the time. So, you know, people could criticize, why didn't you vote for criminal contempt then? But, you know, the negotiation hadn't happened. I mean, you gotta give someone a chance to, to come and, and testify before Congress.

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• 17:55Shawn Ryan?

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• 18:34Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, there are more pics with Epstein online than there are of me and my wife. It's, it's, there's a lot of pictures of those two together.

• 18:44Speaker 03

  Of who, Clinton?

• 18:45Shawn Ryan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 18:46Speaker 03

  Oh, he owes an explanation. I mean, he owes an explanation about how many times he saw him? Did he go to the island? Was he at any of the parties? Does he know? You know, the other thing is, does he know other people who were raping these underage girls? Does he know what Epstein's role was? Because, you know, there are pictures of Epstein at the CIA headquarters. I've never been to the CIA headquarters.

• 19:12Shawn Ryan?

  It's not that impressive.

• 19:13Speaker 03

  You know, I've, I've, you have been there. I've been on Armed Services 10 years. The senior person of the Armed Services Committee, senior person of the China Select Committee. I've not met William Burns. He was the head of our CIA. And you got Epstein meeting him. So I want to know from President Clinton, like, who is this guy? How, how is it that he is corresponding with Mothi? Or people like Mothi? How is it that he has this relationship with Barack? How is it that he is at the CIA headquarters? How is it that Gordon Brown's government is tipping him off? Mendelson is tipping him off that the UK is going to buy the euro currency? And then Epstein is trading on it?

• 19:58Speaker 03

  Someone knows why this guy is networked in the way he's networked? And those are questions that we should ask President Clinton.

• 20:09Shawn Ryan?

  What are some of the things in the files that just you found? What are some of the big surprises that you saw?

• 20:15Speaker 03

  How many people are involved?

• 20:16Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 20:17Speaker 03

  Like, I mean, I mean.

• 20:19Shawn Ryan?

  We've got Jay-Z, Bill Gates, Reid Hoffman, Elon Musk, Peter Thiel,

• 20:27Shawn Ryan?

  Bill Clinton, Serge Brennan, like.

• 20:32Speaker 03

  It's just like half my district's prominent people in Silicon Valley. People who think I was political about this, like, these are people who support Democrats, many of them. Some of them are the biggest donors to Democrats. They're more arguably people who have on the left who have fallen than right now on the right. I mean, the head of Paul Weiss, big Democrat, he just resigned. You've got all of these names and what I have said is, I don't care where the chips fall. Every single person you mentioned, if they are in the files, which many of them are, they need to be hauled in front of Congress, they need to be investigated, and they need to be asked questions. Did you go on the island? Why did you go? Under oath, by the way. What did you see?

• 21:14Speaker 03

  Who raped these underage girls? Were you ever at a party where there were underage girls? Were you ever at a party where underage girls were being paraded naked? And not just if you were on the island, if you were at his home, if you were on his ranch. And look, I don't, there may be people who are innocent. I'm not saying there's due process in this country, but how do you not investigate it? How do you not sit them down under oath and ask them questions? Even Melinda Gates, Bill Gates's ex is saying you gotta, she's gotta answer questions. And then what do they?

• 21:43Shawn Ryan?

  Did you see that?

• 21:44Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 21:44Shawn Ryan?

  He, did you see that email chain?

• 21:46Speaker 03

  I did.

• 21:47Shawn Ryan?

  He was asking for some kind of secret, what, secret antibiotics to slip his wife because he, he gave her an STD or thought he gave her an STD and didn't want to?

• 21:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, and then his explanation.

• 21:59Shawn Ryan?

  Holy shit.

• 22:00Speaker 03

  His explanation is, oh, Epstein didn't send that email. He just drafted it to himself and actually didn't hit send. Well, I want to see if Bill Gates would say that under oath. I want to see if he would say that actually if there's an investigation. What these guys do is they find a convenient journalist to ask them a softball. Question, they do a two-minute hit. And then they're hoping, okay, we're done, we're gonna go into hiding for two years. And people will forget. And we've got so much money. And we fund so many universities and nonprofits, they're gonna still want our money. And then we'll rehabilitate ourselves.

• 22:33Shawn Ryan?

  Do you think that somebody that rapes kids, do you think that? Do you think that somebody that rapes kids being, does being under oath mean anything to them? Cause I don't. I don't think it means a damn thing.

• 22:46Speaker 03

  Well, here's the problem for that, for, for people. And I just wanna be clear, I mean, we don't know which one of these people actually raped kids or were on islands where young girls were being paraded naked or knew that kids were being raped. Like, there are a lot of people who knew that either Epstein or others were being raped and were still showing up on this island.

• 23:04Shawn Ryan?

  People been calling this shit out, I mean, Nicki Minaj, was it Nicki Minaj? Just came out and said she knew about this shit. I mean, lots of people have been talking about this stuff, but they were always labeled conspiracy theorists.

• 23:16Speaker 03

  But the guy, the guy that cut your previews probably knows more about this stuff than anybody I've ever talked to on the planet. You know? And I thought he was fucking crazy. Messi and I thought, we were told we were conspiracy theorists, we were gonna kill our reputation, we were pursuing a hoax. And now it turns out, you know, the most powerful people in this country and around the world were implicated. But here's why it matters if you have them under oath. Cause if you get enough of them and they're making statements, then there may be contradictions. Then if someone says, oh yeah, I saw Gates on the island. And Gates says, no, I wasn't there, there are contradictions. As it, as it is, there are people who are conveniently remembering that they met Epstein more than they claimed, right? And they're trying to correct the record.

• 24:01Speaker 03

  Letnick and others are correcting the record. Why? Because there's emails that have come out. There are other people who are testifying. So if you get a hundred of these people under oath, that you're gonna find the contradictions. You're gonna find out who's lying. So I'm not counting on their own conscience coming clean. I'm counting on the fact that there needs to be an investigation. There's been no investigation. It's not just that they haven't released the file, there's no investigation. And I don't know, what does it say about our country?

• 24:28Shawn Ryan?

  It says there's a, it's exactly what we talked about last time. There is a two-tiered justice system.

• 24:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 24:34Shawn Ryan?

  And the elites and political elites do not fall under same justice department that the rest of us do.

• 24:41Speaker 03

  There are two Americas. There are two tiers of justice. If you're rich, if you're powerful, if you fund universities and nonprofits, you can do the most heinous things. Like you can show up to an island where young girls are being raped and have no consequence.

• 24:57Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, so many people are involved, it's almost like it's a requirement to do that, to get to the places that they are. That's how many fucking names are of powerful elites are in that, are in those damn files.

• 25:11Speaker 03

  You know, I was on a call yesterday and someone said basically a version of that. They said, you don't understand, Roy, you, you had to be part of this Epstein network to be in the club. And he said, I didn't go, but I was tempted to go because everyone in my peer group was going. And if you weren't part of this club, then you weren't part of elite society. And so you have basically a peer pressure to go to an island where people know that this guy's been a convicted pedophile because they went after he was convicted. And they know that young girls are being raped. I mean, and, and it's the elite in Hollywood, and the elite in finance, the elite in Silicon Valley, the elite in politics.

• 25:55Speaker 03

  And you talk to the survivors and they say, we were told you can't call the police. You can't call the FBI because they know too many powerful people. So you've got to get an America where you've got two systems of justice and people resent that. People like you go and fight for the country's values, you risk your life. And yet these elite folks are basically saying, yeah, we can go to an island where young girls are being raped and no one can touch us. And they never thought anything that would come out and we can make lewd jokes about it and laugh about it and fly to Davos and life goes on. That's how they were living. And at the same time, people have the same thing on the econo- economy in this country.

• 26:35Speaker 03

  Like, okay, all the power is in the hands of this few folks and, you know, I'm struggling to make ends meet for my family. It's the same sense of a rigged America that has led to the kind of anger that we see.

• 26:47Shawn Ryan?

  What do you think is going to happen now?

• 26:50Speaker 03

  It depends. I mean, it depends if people like you are gonna continue to bang the drum. That's one of the reasons I'm here. What, what, I'll tell you what these elite guys want to have happen. They want to do a kind of mea culpa. You know, have you seen their statements? "I regret that I spent too much time with Epstein. I regret the judgment I showed to take a meeting with Epstein. I regret that I took his money." Not like, "I, uh, I, I am ashamed and appalled that Epstein was raping young girls, and there were other people part of my network that were raping young girls, and let me just confess at what happened and who did this." Right? It, it's like this lawyerly statement. So here's what their game plan is. I mean, their game plan is,

• 27:33Speaker 03

  "Let's put these things out. Let's, uh, hope Massey and Connor go away, you know, let them bang the drum for a few more months. Let this, uh, all, uh, fade. And then two years later, we're gonna come back. We got too much money. They're gonna want our money. They're gonna want our scholarships, and we're gonna be rehabilitated in society." That's, that's their game plan. And the question for the country is, are we gonna get, let them get away with it? Or are we finally going to hold people accountable? In Britain, they're holding people accountable. They-

• 28:03Shawn Ryan?

  What are they doing over there?

• 28:04Speaker 03

  Well, Starmer's government may-

• 28:05Shawn Ryan?

  Andrew's gone.

• 28:06Speaker 03

  Andrew's gone, at least-

• 28:07Shawn Ryan?

  Prince.

• 28:08Speaker 03

  The prince-

• 28:08Shawn Ryan?

  Gone.

• 28:09Speaker 03

  You know, he's got a, I, I think there's gotta be more to Andrew than just, "Okay, now you're not a prince." That's, but at least they, at least he's not a prince, but he's, he's probably gotta have criminal, uh, uh, investigation from the stuff I've seen. I think there has to actually be an investigation, uh, into what he did. But it, but at least they've stripped him of his titles, and then they've got Mendelson, who's resigned, just today or yesterday, resigned. Right? There's some consequence. Starmer, the prime minister, his government may fall. He's lost confidence. By the way, he's on the left. You know, this is a guy, and I, I said, "Good, good. Good, there's accountability." This isn't left or right. The guy's on the left who's-

• 28:48Shawn Ryan?

  I, I don't even fucking see left or right anymore. I just see good and evil, and that is it. I don't see any of this other shit. I think it's all, I think, you know, Jeremy told me a long time ago, "Politics is WWF wrestling." I truly believe that.

• 29:04Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 29:04Shawn Ryan?

  I fucking see it. It's disgusting. It's disgusting.

• 29:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, I mean, there are good guys in there.

• 29:10Shawn Ryan?

  If you, but, I mean, how, how, everybody's-

• 29:16Shawn Ryan?

  You're saying the American people can't let this go. They can't, that we have to hold them. How do we hold them accountable? I mean, I'm, you're doing your part, I'm doing my part, but we're up against a huge system.

• 29:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 29:29Shawn Ryan?

  That's coming unglued. I mean, they're

• 29:34Shawn Ryan?

  the country's in fucking shambles. It just continues to go. I mean, people, you know, people talk about revolution, civil war, all this shit. It's already happening. I mean, look at Minnesota. It's a fucking war zone up there.

• 29:47Speaker 03

  I was there.

• 29:47Shawn Ryan?

  It is.

• 29:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 29:48Shawn Ryan?

  It's a fucking war zone up there. I mean, places down on the border, it's fucking war zone down our cities, which we were talking about, you know, last time. It's, it's we're pretty damn close and we might be in the middle of it already. I mean, it's, it's, it's.

• 30:03Speaker 03

  We gotta turn it around. We got.

• 30:05Shawn Ryan?

  All right. That's what I'm saying. We gotta turn it around, but how?

• 30:08Speaker 03

  Well, I don't.

• 30:08Shawn Ryan?

  You can't turn it around with a fucking two-tiered justice system.

• 30:11Speaker 03

  I agree with that.

• 30:12Shawn Ryan?

  You cannot turn it around while we have all these elites, powerful tech people, powerful Hollywood people, powerful politicians, just raping kids and getting away with it. In plain, in, in, in, in plain, it just, it's, it's right out in the open, right in front of everybody. And they're just walking, walking around.

• 30:34Speaker 03

  That's disgusting. I, I see your anger. I mean, I see, I feel it, right? For people not here. I mean, it's like, it's a.

• 30:40Shawn Ryan?

  It makes me want to look into fucking dual citizenship. It's that bad. It's that fucking bad.

• 30:46Speaker 03

  And you wore the uniform. I mean, you, you gave your.

• 30:48Shawn Ryan?

  I wore the uniform and I don't even believe in the fucking wars I fought for because I think those were a lie. I know damn well Iraq was a fucking lie. That was a ploy to get KPR into fucking Iraq, cause uh, Dick Cheney.

• 31:01Speaker 03

  I agree with what Iraq.

• 31:02Shawn Ryan?

  You know, I, I started my career. Spent a long time there. Every fucking logistics piece in the country was KBR, Halliburton, KBR, Halliburton, everything, food, like.

• 31:13Shawn Ryan?

  The shitters, the gasoline, the ma- every piece of logistics there was KBR. Did we find a WMDs? Fuck no. That war was bullshit and everybody fucking knows it.

• 31:26Speaker 03

  Well, in 2003, I ran against the Iraq war against a Democrat in my own party. I got crushed 71 to 19, but I was against the war back in 2003. And the reality is that we've never held people accountable in this country, right? Wh- where was the accountability for the people who lied us into war in Iraq? Which led to thousands of Americans dying. Where was the accountability for Abu Ghraib and the people who committed torture in Iraq? Where was the accountability for the bankers who crashed the entire economy? After the Great Recession in Wall Street? No accountability. Where is the accountability in this country? And now people are saying, okay, you got these elite who are raping young girls?

• 32:08Speaker 03

  Or showing up while young girls are being raped and not saying anything? And we just want to move on? Hell, no. I mean, they- we will not restore democratic trust in this country? If we don't have accountability for some of these people who committed these crimes. That's the reality. Yeah, like, I don't care. I want a democratic project that has healthcare for everyone, childcare. You can't get there unless you first say, we're gonna hold these people accountable. They're gonna face justice? And we're going to try to restore trust that there's one tier of justice in America.

• 32:44Shawn Ryan?

  So, so, so seriously, though, how, how do we do this? What, if it goes picture perfect, which it's not, but in your mind? What is the path to success? Who brings these people? Who brings these people in? Who presses charges on them? Is it the FBI? Do all the files need to be released? Do the names need to be redacted? I mean, how do we start charging people?

• 33:09Speaker 03

  I think there are three buckets. First, let's start the investigation with just the files that have been released, right? Like, there's a lot that still needs to be released that was protected and redacted, but there are enough names in there that can be investigated. The FBI, the DOJ should start to interview, under oath, every single person who is in correspondence about going to the ranch or the home where there were parties with underage girls, or the island. And Congress simultaneously should start a committee, a subcommittee under the oversight, and announce hearings. I don't know why Comer doesn't do that. I mean, Comer is all into holding accountability, fine. He wants to do the deposition with the Clintons,

• 33:50Speaker 03

  fine. Have Trump, fine. But what about the hundreds of other people? Why aren't we hauling them in this year in Congress, under Comer? I'll vote for every subpoena. Nancy Mace said subpoena Gates, I said yes. I will vote for every single subpoena, and I'll get Democrats to do it as well, for anyone who's in those files, Democratic donor, Republican donor, I don't care, I'll vote for a subpoena, bring them in, and start to ask them under oath. Congress can do that, even if the DOJ and FBI doesn't move. That's the first step. Second step is, we have a meeting with Blanch, Mace, May, Massey, Raskin, and the judiciary. Have Comer in there, too. And let's start to figure out how we get the unredacted versions

• 34:33Speaker 03

  that are not gonna protect abusers. You want to protect young girls, of course. Don't have the nude pictures, don't have the survivors exposed. But give me a break, when you have an abuser sending Epstein an email about what they did with some young girl, and you have the name of the abuser blacked out? Come on. We need to get that information out as a second thing, and push on the files. And then the third thing is simply the public shaming and the public accountability. Like, these people are still...

• 35:06Speaker 03

  Not just are they walking the streets, they're still giving speeches, they're still on corporate boards, they're still having their gifts accepted by nonprofits and universities, they still have buildings named after them. Like, when are we gonna have more accountability, at least with Paul Weiss, where Brad Karp resigned? When are we gonna have some of these people out of the positions of influence and honor that they're currently in? That doesn't require Trump's Justice Department, that doesn't require Congress, that requires all of us as Americans. And I guess the question is, are we gonna be so blinded by their money, so blinded by what they can do for our universities,

• 35:47Speaker 03

  our nonprofits, our civil society, that we say, "Ah, just let them have a pass," or are we actually gonna hold them accountable? It's easy to hold Larry Summers accountable, because he doesn't have a lot of money, and he's a professor, okay, he's being held accountable. Or Brad Karp, right, he's a lawyer, fine, he's being held accountable. But when you've got billions, when you're one of these people who has a lot of money, then it's a choice. Like, okay, money or young girls? Where are we gonna stand?

• 36:22Shawn Ryan?

  Did you watch that interview with Epstein and Bannon by chance?

• 36:26Speaker 03

  I watched some of it.

• 36:27Shawn Ryan?

  What'd you think of that?

• 36:29Speaker 03

  I mean, I don't know why Bannon was doing that. Like, what the hell? After to resuscitate and revive his reputation?

• 36:39Shawn Ryan?

  Did you see when he asked him if he thought he was the devil?

• 36:42Speaker 03

  I saw that clip.

• 36:44Shawn Ryan?

  Is that fucking crazy?

• 36:46Speaker 03

  I mean, and it was kind of like laughing about it, right? I mean, that's the emails, it's sort of like they're laughing about his evil- evilness, not just Bannon, but like other powerful people, "Ha, ha, ha," like this, "Ha, ha, ha, you're abusing young girls." How many people wrote, like, "Bring the young girls, bring your harem with you." "Oh, yeah, we know this is evil things." It's like they're celebrating his sickness.

• 37:10Shawn Ryan?

  They are celebrating his sickness. They're all...

• 37:14Shawn Ryan?

  They're all part of this stuff. What do you think about, has your opinion changed on where Epstein's from, who he's working with since our last interview? You asked me what I thought. I told you, I think he's a Mossad agent for Israel.

• 37:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, I genuinely don't know the answer to that specific question, but what I will say is this. Why is he at the CIA? Why is he meeting Will Burns? Why is he talking to Mendelson at the highest levels of the British government who was working for Gordon Brown? Why is he talking about Modi, the Prime Minister of India, and going to Israel? Why is he talking about Palantir? And Palantir's investments in our national security? Why is he affiliating with Barack so much that just today, Prime Minister Netanyahu is making a statement?

• 38:01Shawn Ryan?

  What did he say? What did Netanyahu say today?

• 38:03Speaker 03

  Netanyahu said that Barack was trying to undermine the Israeli government, and that's why he was meeting with Jeffrey Epstein.

• 38:12Shawn Ryan?

  Oh, okay.

• 38:12Speaker 03

  I mean, that was...

• 38:14Shawn Ryan?

  Right.

• 38:14Speaker 03

  Like, how do you have one person? That, that, I guess this is what I want to really...

• 38:18Shawn Ryan?

  Did he say that there? Did he, did he come to the White House to say that?

• 38:22Speaker 03

  Netanyahu?

• 38:22Shawn Ryan?

  He's been to the White House quite a few times.

• 38:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, no.

• 38:24Shawn Ryan?

  It's kind of weird how much he's at the White House.

• 38:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, I don't, I don't understand why, why any, uh, uh, uh, leader should be at the, the, the White House that much. I mean, the United States should be driving our foreign policy with our interests. But the, the point is, and, and, you know, I've been very outspoken that my view, I don't know yours, is that what Israel did in Gaza was a genocide. I, I, I do not believe that we should have been...

• 38:48Shawn Ryan?

  Hundred percent with you, Roe. Hundred percent with you. It's fucking disgusting. How many kids got killed?

• 38:55Speaker 03

  There was thousands.

• 38:56Shawn Ryan?

  Twenty thousand kids. Twenty thousand kids.

• 39:00Speaker 03

  And you're in my tax dollars, went for that. You know, I voted no. I voted, I was one of thirty-seven Democrats who voted no on the fourteen billion.

• 39:07Shawn Ryan?

  That's why we don't want to raise taxes, Roe. Can't be killing fucking kids. Can't be sending political elites to, uh, rape kids.

• 39:16Speaker 03

  But the uh

• 39:17Shawn Ryan?

  Sorry, I'm losing my mind, I'm getting fucking pissed.

• 39:19Speaker 03

  But you know, I mean, I, the, the, the question that has to be asked is, why is this guy Epstein? Why does he have so much access to the most powerful people in the world? Like what, y- y- you know, he's, he's operating at a level of power certainly beyond anyone in Congress, certainly beyond any senator. I mean, he's operating literally at a level of power of a, a head of state.

• 39:42Shawn Ryan?

  Over the president. It's insane.

• 39:44Speaker 03

  It's in

• 39:45Shawn Ryan?

  Indeed, in that interview, he's talking about when the financial, uh, the 2008 collapse happened. He's got, who did he have on the phone? He had in jail, he's got, I think he said like Bear Stearns in one hand and JP Morgan on the other, literally talking to them at the same time about what's going on.

• 40:02Speaker 03

  Right.

• 40:03Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, why the fuck are, are the leaders of those financial institutions calling an inmate in prison to figure out what the hell is going on?

• 40:13Speaker 03

  A pedophile, yeah.

• 40:14Shawn Ryan?

  A pedophile that they were all hanging out with.

• 40:16Speaker 03

  And then, and then Gordon Brown's, uh, Mendelson is, is aide is giving Epstein tips before UK acts that they're gonna bail out the euro. And Epstein is engaged in trading on, on that information. I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's mind boggling that, uh, this guy had this kind of power. And your point about like, how did he accumulate that power? Is, is, uh, in my view, the central question. There are two big questions. One, like, how do we have an elite that basically thinks it's okay to, uh, show up to an island where young girls are being raped? And how is it possible that everyone in all our society, from finance to arts to Hollywood,

• 41:00Speaker 03

  to tech, to real estate, is caught up in this mess? Like, it's disgusting. But then the second issue is, who is this guy Epstein? How does he have this kind of access? That's not conspiratorial. Now we have the, the

• 41:13Shawn Ryan?

  You know how we install straw men in foreign countries to control it?

• 41:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, we have.

• 41:19Shawn Ryan?

  That's how this happens, Ro. That's how this happens.

• 41:24Speaker 03

  What do you mean by that?

• 41:26Shawn Ryan?

  He was installed.

• 41:28Speaker 03

  In the US.

• 41:31Speaker 03

  I mean, look, I, I think we need to ask all the questions. I, I, I, I try to stick to what I know, but the, these files have made me

• 41:43Shawn Ryan?

  Just given you stuff to think about.

• 41:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, these files have made me question why he has this kind of access to these many foreign leaders, uh, why he has this kind of access to our CIA, why he's involved in some of the most critical investments in companies like Palantir or others that are now, uh, so enshrined in our national security? Why is he so connected to some of the enormous tech leaders? Like, why is, why is he connected to the most powerful people in finance and real estate? You can't just, someone's like, oh, he's just collects rich and people and elites. No, this is not just a socialite.

• 42:26Speaker 03

  You know, you don't have, a, a, a socialite doesn't get to go speak to heads of state and get, uh, to talk to every billionaire, uh, and get to talk to the most powerful people and direct that kind of attention. And that's, that's an unanswered question. And that should be the investigation. There should probably be a commission. The president, next president, or this president should appoint a commission to understand who Jeffrey Epstein was and what his motives were and why he was operating. That's a national security question.

• 42:56Shawn Ryan?

  That's, I think this is the biggest concern of national security that we have right now.

• 43:02Speaker 03

  Well, it's, it's a concern certainly in terms of us being compromised, right? If you believe, as I do, as a top Democrat on the China committee, that China is our competition and that we need to win and that we need to be ahead of them on technology, we need to be ahead of them on AI, we need to be ahead of them when it comes to the economy. If we're compromised from the inside, and if it's possible to compromise us from the inside, then that's a real problem. If you have an elite that can be seen as going to an island that's so immature, reckless, self entitled, arrogant, that they can go to a island where young girls are being raped, then you wonder, can that, what is That say about our ability to have the seriousness of moral purpose to compete with China.

• 43:45Speaker 03

  They they've got a worse system. They've got a communist system and authoritarian system. But their leaders, from what I know, weren't showing up to Epstein's Island. Right? And so, you know, this is a question of like, what kind of leadership are we producing? To make sure America stays the great nation in the world. People were never perfect, like FDR had affairs, Kennedy had affairs. But it's the pettiness, the immaturity, the total depravity of doing it with raping young girls. And the frivolousness of it that really is a mirror on like America's place, moral place in in in the world at this moment.

• 44:25Shawn Ryan?

  What is the what is the what's the pulse in Congress?

• 44:28Speaker 03

  Disgust, genuine disgust, shock.

• 44:32Shawn Ryan?

  Both sides?

• 44:32Speaker 03

  Both sides, both sides.

• 44:34Shawn Ryan?

  Anybody for it? Anybody for what's happening?

• 44:37Speaker 03

  You know, honestly, and and I because I'm trying to be not.

• 44:40Shawn Ryan?

  For protecting pedophiles. Is there anybody in Congress? That is voting against releasing this shit? Or that's totally against it that wants to protect pedophiles? Let's get their names out.

• 44:50Speaker 03

  You know, there was one guy who voted against massing my bill, but I think he, in fairness, he just thought that. Uh, it should have been done in a different way. I don't I don't think he was actually for. Protecting pedophiles in in honesty. I think the. Reality is that most of the people in Congress have been pretty shaken by the release. Most of them are pretty disgusted by what took place. And the question is, are they going to have the guts? To go after these people? What are the barriers? Well, you're going after donors. You're going after donors to both parties. You're going after Democratic donors and you're going after Republican donors. These are people who give a lot of money. And you don't want to, you know, it's a it's it's not convenient to go after them.

• 45:34Speaker 03

  Secondly, uh, you got Trump saying move on.

• 45:37Shawn Ryan?

  Let me hold on. I just wanted, I would like to add something to that.

• 45:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 45:41Shawn Ryan?

  So any so if anybody is against that because of going to their donors, they do not have. What's best for the country in their heart. They have what's best for them and that is it. That's all they fucking care about is staying in Congress, staying in the Senate, staying wherever they're at. It's not for the country, it's for themselves. If that's what's fucking happening, every one of these son of a bitches need to be fucking voted out because they're in it for themselves.

• 46:08Speaker 03

  Nah, and that's the-

• 46:09Shawn Ryan?

  About your donors.

• 46:10Speaker 03

  It's the donors, it's their concern for themselves and their party and they, they don't vote, right? They just stay quiet or don't rock the boat. That's the secret in Washington. It's not that you cast bad votes, it's that you block stuff from even coming for a vote. So no one knows. No one knows that you're the one protecting these people. But, you know, why isn't every single person on the Oversight Committee doing what Nancy Mace said, which is telling Comer, "Look, go, go, go start hearings on this. Subpoena everyone. Comer, you could be a national hero." You could, you could take what Massey and I did with the release of the files and you could say, "I'm gonna haul, starting tomorrow, Bill Gates in front of this committee and we're gonna have hearings." Not just the Clintons. Fine, have everyone.

• 46:52Shawn Ryan?

  A lot of people could, could take the hero card right now.

• 46:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 46:58Shawn Ryan?

  J.D. Vance.

• 46:59Speaker 03

  Vance could do it.

• 47:00Shawn Ryan?

  If he came out and said something.

• 47:02Speaker 03

  I'd, I'd, I'd praise him.

• 47:03Shawn Ryan?

  Anybody inside the administration, ju- fuck, just come out and say something like, "Holy shit, does he really have that much of a wrath over you?" Like, fucking, hey, this, "I thought it was a free country. Guess it's not."

• 47:18Speaker 03

  And that, that's the second thing. So it's the fear of the donors and it's fear of Trump because Trump keeps saying, "Oh, let's just move on. Let's move on." And they're afraid that if they really, uh, go after this Epstein stuff, that, uh, they, they can have Trump's wrath. And it's not theoretical. I mean, Trump takes a shot at Massey in every other speech and he's now endorsed someone running against Massey. I think when Massey wins, uh, that'll hopefully give courage to some of the, the other, uh, Republicans who are afraid of Trump. And Trump's not gonna be there that much longer. I mean, he's got three years. So what about thinking beyond Trump like Marjorie Taylor Greene was? But this is the reason that you don't have more action in Congress. It's the money, it's the fear of Trump, it's people saying, "Move on."

• 48:03Speaker 03

  Uh, and some people are saying, okay, if we move on in two years, I may want some of these people's support. I don't want a billionaire super PAC coming against me. You know, there are three billionaire super PACs coming against, uh, Massey. And by the way, we discussed the, the billionaire tax last time. We could, we had a good spirited conversation, but look at the people who are attacking me and look at the correlation between that and the Epstein files. I don't think it was about, you know, some tax. I mean, that, that they have legitimate arguments. This is about, uh, being exposed as utterly devoid of morality. And if someone just looks at the tweets and the people are tweeting against me and you look at the people you mentioned in those files, suddenly there's a correlation.

• 48:47Speaker 03

  It didn't occur to me until I saw those files because I didn't think that there were that many people in Silicon Valley in those files. I was naive. I thought that most people were from New York because Epstein was in New York. I knew they were real estate folks. I knew they were finance folks. I knew there were, Clinton was in it. I knew that Trump was in it. I knew there were Barack was in it. I knew some of the politicians, but it shocked me. It stunned me. How many people from California are in it?

• 49:12Shawn Ryan?

  Might be on to something there. I will tell you, a lot of people are still pissed about the tax thing.

• 49:17Speaker 03

  I know they are.

• 49:17Shawn Ryan?

  Me included.

• 49:18Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 49:18Shawn Ryan?

  But like I said, get rid of the fucking waste, fraud and abuse. And when we start seeing our country flourish because of the taxes that we're paying, I'm all in, bro. I'll pay, I'll pay, I'm all, I mean, I guess I have to be all in no matter what, right? But, but, but seriously, I would be for it if I saw our country flourish because of higher taxes. Unfortunately, the country's going like this and the taxes are going, you know, and it just, it, it's, it's, it's, I'm just not seeing it. See it all go to Somalia, Israel, Ukraine, fucking these stupid programs. It's all over the place, but it's not, it's not going to where it needs to go.

• 49:57Speaker 03

  Well, I do agree with you. We need to show, people like me, who believe that the rich should pay more, need to show accountability, right? Like, because we've got to show that, no, we're not just going to give this blank check to Netanyahu to kill kids. We've got to show that we're taking on the waste and the fraud and the abuse that's taking place. And I, and that's why I said we've got to restore the trust that starts with holding some of these elite people accountable. So then I can go to someone like you, and I think you'd pay more taxes if I said, is really going to cover someone who doesn't have healthcare. Your problem is that right now, people feel like even if they're paying more tax, their money isn't going to actually help Americans who want education or healthcare. And that, that is our challenge as a, as a country.

• 50:39Speaker 03

  And it's a bigger challenge for a Democrat like me, who believes that we should have a strong safety net of healthcare and education. That's why I think the highest priority right now has to be holding these elites accountable. At least we start somewhere.

• 50:55Shawn Ryan?

  I guess we start right here, huh? This is, this is, this is hopefully more people start taking this shit seriously.

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• 53:44Shawn Ryan?

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• 54:28Shawn Ryan?

  I was talking about that VC woman, Masha Boer earlier. And we had interviewed her here and I never released the interview because she didn't pass the sniff test. I just thought she was completely full of shit. We found something that said she was tied to Epstein and she got very uncomfortable in the interview and wanted it pulled out. And I said, we're not pulling it out. We're not pulling it out or we're not releasing anything at all. I can't believe people ask you to withhold stuff. I've never. We don't. The only time I do that is when I'm talking to somebody that was in special ops or the agency. That says something that was on an operation that they're like, I don't think that's. That's to protect, that's to protect our troops.

• 55:13Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah. And so that's the only time that I'll do it. But with her, she didn't, I just, me and Jeremy, me and the whole team had a long talk. It was like, I just, I think this whole thing's bullshit. And so we didn't release it. Well, turns out it was all bullshit because I can't even remember what she said in the interview. It was basically like, oh no. And what did she say? Do you remember?

• 55:35Speaker 04

  It said that she was working PR in New York and she was introduced to Jeffrey Epstein. It was totally innocent.

• 55:42Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, yeah. Turns out she was his PR agent. In fact, there was a big article that just came out, right?

• 55:48Speaker 04

  Forbes this morning.

• 55:48Shawn Ryan?

  It's in Forbes. That was all in the files. It's in Forbes. And, you know, and so I want to ask you, you know, we looked at a lot of her emails because she was a former guest. We're probably going to release the interview now. You should. We're just going to have to do a little, a little dialogue at the beginning. Can I explain to them what this all is? But there was a lot of, a lot of back and forth emails with her and she wanted to do DNA tests. And yeah, she wanted to do DNA tests from, what's that, what's that website? 23andMe. And she only wanted to work with people that are 98% Jewish or more. And then, I don't know, she thinks they're smarter. She says they're smarter than all the rest of us.

• 56:31Shawn Ryan?

  She said that on the, it really, it's in one of the emails? Yep. Well, that's, that's just. We should, we'll put the email up right now so everybody can see. I wish I had it. I'll show it to you after this. But, but in those emails, there's a lot of stuff. Uh, what are these? Goyim, goy? Do you know what this is?

• 56:52Speaker 03

  I mean, I've heard the term, but what does it mean? It's a...

• 56:57Shawn Ryan?

  I think it means slaves, right?

• 57:00Speaker 04

  Nation cattle.

• 57:01Shawn Ryan?

  Nation cattle?

• 57:03Speaker 04

  It's a slur.

• 57:04Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, it's a racial slur to everybody that's not Jewish. This is in these files, like...

• 57:12Speaker 03

  And she's saying this...

• 57:13Shawn Ryan?

  Everywhere, not just her. Epstein, Epstein's talking to the former Prime Minister of Israel. And...

• 57:23Shawn Ryan?

  What is that? What's going on? And then we see all these... These laws being passed here in the States for anti-Semitism. What about the rest of us? Aren't we protecting the rest of us? What is that?

• 57:37Speaker 03

  Well, look, I think we've got to get back to the basic principles of this country. I'm of Hindu faith, Indian-American, born in Philadelphia. You treat every person with equality and respect, whether you're Christian, whether you're Jewish, whether you're Hindu, whether you're Muslim. Uh, and, uh... Are there cases of anti-Semitism in America? Yes, there are.

• 57:58Shawn Ryan?

  Heck, yeah, there are. I'm not gonna argue that.

• 58:00Speaker 03

  And have there been incidents? Yes. But, uh, is there an arrogance in Silicon Valley beyond just these emails of some people who think they're better than other human beings? That, to me, is the fundamental construct, right? That is, that needs to be challenged, that, uh, you're not better just because you may be rich. You're not better just because you may have been a billionaire. You're not better just because you're part of the Epstein network. Like, I have so much more respect for people who wear the nation's uniform, who, uh, keep our country safe, for firefighters, for law enforcement,

• 58:42Speaker 03

  for nurses, for EMT workers, for teachers. You know, the people who built this country, steelworkers, uh, people on the factory floors. And we have lost that sense of respect for people who really, through hard work, built America. Right? And I think about how I grew up... Up in Bucks County, teachers, little league coaches, right? And they never had a shot, never dreamed of going and making millions of dollars. I don't have a problem with people going and becoming rich and starting companies. But this sense that you're better than folks, that the rules don't apply to you. And the sense that the, the, the, the economy should just work for you.

• 59:21Speaker 03

  Some people say like, yeah, they, they should get to call the shots, that they have some kind of God given right to rule or lead. That America will be better off with them in charge. And I fundamentally reject that. And that is the, the tale of two Americas is the problem, and I think in this country. It's why people voted for Bernie, it's why people voted for Trump. They're sick of it. They, they, they, they wanna be seen for the people who actually built America, the forgotten Americans. And Trump campaigned on that. And people are like, well, what, what now? Why aren't you going after these people? You said you were gonna tear them down. You said, you said you were gonna hold this corrupt system accountable. Drain the swamp, what happened?

• 1:00:00Shawn Ryan?

  It was all bullshit. Why do you think, why do you think that? Why are they protecting the abusers? Why did they, why, why didn't those names come out? Why are the little black lines over all the real important shit? What, honest, honestly, what do you think that is?

• 1:00:18Speaker 03

  They're powerful, they're very powerful. One person talked about a name who is in the files, who hasn't gotten attention. I don't wanna say the name, but, uh, who said that this guy is so powerful in New York that everyone fears him. And I think that the names that probably aren't in, uh, haven't been released yet or blacked out. They're probably people who are very, very powerful, who have, uh, financial interests. Who have, who may, maybe they're saying, look, you come, you, you put our name out and we're gonna talk about who else was involved. We're gonna spill the beans about more of what, what, what is there? And so I think they were actually very clever. What they did is they put out enough, and they put out a lot of bad stuff that people would say, well, that was a legitimate release. You ask me, is that a legitimate release? Yeah, they put out a lot of stuff.

• 1:01:03Speaker 03

  It was pretty bad. I didn't expect even that we'd get this far. But then they didn't put out the nuclear stuff. And so this is a way of saying, yeah, it's, it's not BS. I mean, if I go to a judge saying, oh, they didn't release the files. No, we released the files and the judge will look at it, bro, they put out millions of documents. They've called out a lot of people who are powerful folks. But what they do by that diversionary tactic is they can keep the. The worst of it secret. And now it's harder for Massey or me or the survivors to say, let's still get all the files. So someone is being very sophisticated in giving us just enough to pass the the test, but keeping the most powerful people protected. And this is a question that we need answered.

• 1:01:48Speaker 03

  I mean, why are these people being protected? Who are they? What what power do they have? What do they know? Because politically, it makes no sense. Why wouldn't you release this?

• 1:01:57Shawn Ryan?

  You think there's people more powerful than the than the ones that are already in there? I mean, the the.

• 1:02:01Speaker 03

  Yes. Yes, I think there are people who are more powerful or have more information or are more connected into some of these networks that that haven't been released. There's no other explanation. I mean, I'm willing to listen to Blanch because he's saying we can see the unredacted files. But there's no other explanation for having an email to Jeffrey Epstein with the abuser's name blacked out and the email just says, I I I enjoyed the the naughty girl you sent. Or I enjoyed the Brazilian girl. Like, why are you blacking that out? Or, you know, you have my permission to kill. Blacked out. Why? What who are you you think that?

• 1:02:42Shawn Ryan?

  Who are they gonna kill?

• 1:02:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, you think it's survivors?

• 1:02:45Shawn Ryan?

  Who did they kill?

• 1:02:46Speaker 03

  You know, you think it's.

• 1:02:46Shawn Ryan?

  Aren't they saying there's bodies buried at the New Mexico ranch?

• 1:02:50Speaker 03

  There were emails about that. And there there this is that and and so there's.

• 1:02:54Shawn Ryan?

  I'll bet there's no excavators over there right now looking for anything.

• 1:02:57Speaker 03

  And where how do you not investigate it? You know, Blanch as well, they're just men partying.

• 1:03:03Shawn Ryan?

  I wonder who owns that ranch now? Do you know?

• 1:03:05Speaker 03

  I do not know.

• 1:03:06Shawn Ryan?

  I wonder if we could find that out, bring them in. Maybe they can do their own.

• 1:03:10Speaker 03

  Maybe you do the investigation here. I mean, on this podcast. I mean, I but but the point is, you don't have you you can get people voluntarily, but you don't have the you've done more than the DOJ has done, but you don't have the power to subpoena. Congress has the power to subpoena. The, uh, we have such power to subpoena that Bill Clinton, a former president, caved and is now coming and testifying in Congress. You don't think that we could exercise that same power with all of these people who are in the files?

• 1:03:37Shawn Ryan?

  But why do you think the DOJ isn't doing anything? Cause shouldn't they be the ones that are indicting people?

• 1:03:42Speaker 03

  They should. They should. They should.

• 1:03:44Shawn Ryan?

  Who they indicted?

• 1:03:45Speaker 03

  They haven't indicted a single person.

• 1:03:47Shawn Ryan?

  Really?

• 1:03:48Speaker 03

  So, uh, at post Epstein, they said, oh, he's, he's a dead guy and let's move on. They have not released the names of the co-conspirators who they should have indicted. They have not released the names of the people they should have prosecuted. And, and let alone, they've done nothing to investigate these people. And I, I don't know why. Like they, they say, okay, there's no, they don't, they, it doesn't rise to a criminal level. Well, how do you know if you haven't investigated it? Have you called these people in? And have you asked them questions about where they were? What did they do? What did they know? I don't think you have. I know you haven't because these people would, would be saying that they were already cooperated with law enforcement. So you have, I would just think about this rationally. You have all these files.

• 1:04:32Speaker 03

  You got rich people, powerful people, talking about being on the island. You're investigating the case back in 2007 or in 2019. Doesn't it say, okay, I'm gonna send an FBI agent? Or, uh, someone to talk to these powerful people about Epstein, just to understand what was going on? You don't have to, I mean, and they didn't do any of this. Why? Because they were intimidated. Because these people, uh, were at the Davos conferences together. They were, uh, financing the same politicians together. You got Donald Trump saying, oh, Bill Clinton shouldn't testify because he doesn't wanna testify. You know, it's all the same club.

• 1:05:11Shawn Ryan?

  It's a good point. That's a good point.

• 1:05:14Speaker 03

  It's a club and they don't want that club to, to be pierced, to be broken. Uh, it's people who have power in this country and people who don't.

• 1:05:24Shawn Ryan?

  How long have you realized it's one club?

• 1:05:27Speaker 03

  I've had a sense, but it's become more and more obvious to me with these files. I was shocked at the extent of it in these files. I mean, I was like, how is every prominent person in some way connected? It's just absurd. I mean, do I think everyone in those files was a pedophile? No, but like you, none of you had the judgment after Epstein was a convicted pedophile to say, you know what, like, yeah, I don't want to show up to his island. I don't want to show up to a party where I hear there are young girls. Like, how is it? It's your, your membership in that club was so important to you? That you didn't have a minute to pause and say, yeah, maybe I shouldn't be showing up to a pedophile's house. Right?

• 1:06:10Speaker 03

  It's, it's, it's almost, it's, it's not even there's desire for gratification at the expense of young girls. It's almost like they, their desire to belong to this club. I call it the Epstein class was so overriding that they were willing to look, overlook everything else. They were willing to overlook girls being raped. They were willing to overlook the heinous things that Epstein was doing. They were willing to overlook the fact that he had all these suspicious contacts with foreign leaders, potentially selling out our country. Cause God forbid, they weren't invited to those parties. God forbid, they were not given membership into the Epstein class. And that's the two Americas we have. That's not what our founders wanted. That's not why you wore the uniform.

• 1:06:53Speaker 03

  That's not why kids died in Afghanistan or Iraq. That's not why people scale the cliffs of Normandy. And people need to wake up in this country and say, look, we got to get our country back. And it starts with elite accountability.

• 1:07:09Shawn Ryan?

  Have you been, have you heard from the survivors?

• 1:07:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:07:13Shawn Ryan?

  What are they saying?

• 1:07:14Speaker 03

  One of them, I'll call back to, she texted me yesterday. She said, there's a, a man in the files who hasn't gotten enough attention. I want you to call that person out. I'm going to call her back today, uh, to say, because he really was responsible for raping young girls. And the media hasn't focused on him. So some of them are alerting me to things they're seeing in the files. You know, there's so many.

• 1:07:38Shawn Ryan?

  Can I ask you who that is?

• 1:07:40Speaker 03

  I don't, I, I can, I can give you, I'll give Jeremy the information after if I get her permission with the survivor, uh, the survivor's permission, but, uh, I'll, I'll certainly, I was planning to call her on the airport back to, to, uh, California. But the, uh, the reality is that there's so many people in this that some people are just hiding, right? If, if it was just, let's say, Gates, it'd be like front page news, but there are hundreds of these people.

• 1:08:08Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:08Speaker 03

  And so they're almost benefiting by the fact that there's so many. So we've, we've got a, some of them want to make sure that they're, they're actually being held accountable. And then they're pissed that, uh, the files were, were not released with, uh, their names redacted. I mean, that so many of these, uh, pictures were released of young girls naked. Like, I mean, how do you do that? How, how do you do that? So their, their identities were compromised. I've heard from some of them just in tears about that. And then they're, uh, upset that, uh, they're protecting pedophiles still, and these abusers. So they, they are not happy. And, uh, they feel like, they feel there's some sense of accountability.

• 1:08:52Speaker 03

  They also want to know what's going to happen, right? Cause they feel exposed. All these people are out there, the files are out there, but like, are we going to do anything? And they're disappointed in America because they see all these other countries. Like, Prime Minister of Israel is making a statement, Starmer is almost going to fall. You've got Eastern European countries talking about bringing investigations, uh, about, uh, people in the files. And our president saying, let's move on, right? I mean, Lutnik, who's in the files, doesn't even have to answer to the press. In, in other countries, they'd be gone, sacked, right? And it's just kind of, their sense is like, okay, do we not care?

• 1:09:32Speaker 03

  That's what they're asking, like, do we not, is it just, are we so immune that if people have money and power? That's, that's all we care about?

• 1:09:42Shawn Ryan?

  The big rumor for years has been that if this gets released, the entire world's power structure will shit the bed.

• 1:09:50Shawn Ryan?

  I think we're starting to see that.

• 1:09:52Speaker 03

  We're starting to see it in England. We're starting to see it in other parts of the world. And I didn't believe that, actually, you know, in the beginning. I thought, OK, maybe they're exaggerating. Maybe it's conspiratorial. I thought, OK, yeah, there are going to be people in New York, and he was blocking the New York police. I didn't realize the extent of it until these files got released. And that makes me realize, OK, if this is what they've released, what are they holding? And why are they holding it? And the only way, we can't, Massey and I, Congress can't force the release of the classified stuff. We just don't have the authority. We, Congress, it would be held unconstitutional for Congress to force the release of classified material. The president has the authority to declassify.

• 1:10:35Speaker 03

  So what we need is a president to appoint a commission of people who are trusted to be able to look at the intelligence and then to come up with some public report. Until we do that, the, there's not going to be a restoration of trust. We need, in my view, a truth and reconciliation commission, someone who's going to do an investigation of the people who are in these files and really have some public accountability, and someone who's going to look at the intelligence, who has impeccable integrity. Maybe it's someone from the military, you know, not a politician, certainly not a politician, someone who has incredible integrity to look at this and then do a report,

• 1:11:19Speaker 03

  like we had the report after the Kennedy assassination or the King assassination. I mean, we're still debate that. But there's got to be some understanding of who this guy was.

• 1:11:31Shawn Ryan?

  I think we should do a panel with you, Massey, some of these survivors, and anybody else that's fighting for, fighting for this to get released. I think that would be a very powerful piece of content.

• 1:11:48Shawn Ryan?

  You want to put it together?

• 1:11:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, I would love to. I mean, I think having Massey, I think adding Marjorie Taylor Greene, if she's open to it, I haven't talked to her, but Massey certainly.

• 1:11:58Shawn Ryan?

  We'll come to DC, we'll make it easy on you guys.

• 1:12:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think Massey I can talk to, and certainly the survivors I can talk to. I'm having one of this, I know you were invited to the State of the Union, I'm taking one of the survivors as my guest to the State of the Union to make a statement that, you know, we owe it to them, to be fighting for them, and I can help get the survivors. I'll talk to Thomas, I mean, he's got a primary challenge, but, you know, he's getting attacked anyway. The billionaires coming after him, some of them are coming after me, you know, we've cast our lot. I think doing this is going to help actually get justice. To me, this is the highest priority.

• 1:12:40Shawn Ryan?

  Right there with you. What are we missing? We missing anything?

• 1:12:45Speaker 04

  Patreon questions we can bring in.

• 1:12:46Shawn Ryan?

  Oh, I do have a couple of Patreon. Oh, okay. Yeah, I did, I forgot this. This is from Teddy Borgia. "How do you take on the responsibility of being one of the main figures in the fight against Roblox's lackadaisical efforts to rid their app of child predators?" This is actually from his 14-year-old son.

• 1:13:13Speaker 03

  Well, I first want to just compliment Schlep for what he did. He had a lot of courage, and what Roblox is doing is totally unacceptable. It's not just the child predators and the fact that they're engaged in abuse online. It's also these games that they've created that are teaching kids that it's okay to celebrate school shootings, or to roam Epstein's Island, or to reenact 9/11. I mean, what are we doing? Allowing this to take place? We've got to have a new moral vision in this country. We've got to have some moral values.

• 1:13:51Speaker 03

  So, Roblox is in Silicon Valley, I've met with their CEO, he assured me months ago that he was going to change things, but I'm going to approach him and hold him accountable, especially after your episode comes out, and some of the games that he has. My first question to him is going to be, what are you doing with Sandy Hook shooting on your platform?

• 1:14:14Shawn Ryan?

  It's...

• 1:14:17Shawn Ryan?

  I don't even know if I told you about the chat place. We got in these games. And I did this with this guy Ryan Montgomery, where I didn't believe how widespread pedophilia predators are in this country. So that was my first time ever breaking into this subject. Brought him in here. He was a hacker. I said, hey, any social media platform, I don't care what you get in, just anything the kids are in, just get in. I want to see how long this shit takes. Five seconds. It took five seconds.

• 1:14:52Speaker 05

  Where someone targeted.

• 1:14:53Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, I'll put the clip up. Ryan, do you think you could demonstrate right here, right now, how fast these sexual predators predators will show up in a chat room?

• 1:15:02Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:15:03Shawn Ryan?

  Fire your computer up. Let's do it.

• 1:15:05Speaker 05

  I'm recording, so now I'm just gonna say, hi. Who wants to chat?

• 1:15:14Speaker 05

  And I named myself Ashley Female New Jersey, 13 Female New Jersey. Let's see how many private messages come in.

• 1:15:23Speaker 05

  Two already. Three.

• 1:15:27Shawn Ryan?

  It's been like 10 seconds.

• 1:15:29Speaker 05

  Yep. Hey, wanna fool around? Hey, how

• 1:15:34Speaker 05

  old are you? Let me just copy that and send that to everybody because we got other messages coming in.

• 1:15:42Shawn Ryan?

  What chat room are you in?

• 1:15:44Speaker 05

  Just a teen chat. Hey, wanna cuddle a bit? I didn't, I mean, I'm taking, I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt right now that uh, that they didn't read the, oh, he's 47.

• 1:15:54Shawn Ryan?

  Forty-seven years old in a teen chat room? You got him in what? Five seconds? He's already messaging in?

• 1:16:02Speaker 05

  Oh yeah, there's a tiny, there's, I can't even keep up with them here because every time I click one, there's more on the list.

• 1:16:07Shawn Ryan?

  And we bring Schlep on and I had him do the same thing with Roblox. I said, pull it up. He's like, well, I'm banned. I can't do it. You gotta do it. So I created an account. And I didn't, and I should have made the account. What Ryan did was he made the account Ashley 13 New Jersey. I put like Joe Blow 4747 or something, something like that. I should have put, you know, Suzie 12, Virginia, but.

• 1:16:34Shawn Ryan?

  It didn't matter. We get in there and I'm like, I just wanna see how long this takes. Boom, twenty seconds this time. Twenty seconds. Wanna get freaky? How old are you? This is what's, then the next one. Hey, I'm bored. What are you doing? How old are you?

• 1:16:53Speaker 03

  On chat.

• 1:16:54Shawn Ryan?

  On chat. Then the next one. Hey, I'm nineteen. How old are you? Wanna get freaky? It, it, the, there was no normal conversations in there. It was five times in probably four minutes, maybe? First one happened within twenty seconds and it was back to back to back to back.

• 1:17:14Speaker 03

  Why do you think there's a sickness in America on pedophilia? Like, what, what is going on in the country?

• 1:17:20Shawn Ryan?

  I think it has to do, do you know what I think this has caused this shit? I, I don't know about the elites. I think the elites get everything they want and then they get bored with it and then they need to go after something forbidden.

• 1:17:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:17:35Shawn Ryan?

  Because it makes them feel powerful.

• 1:17:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's a high.

• 1:17:37Shawn Ryan?

  That's what I think. I think with normal population, I think it's the porn industry. Do you know what the number one search thing on porn is?

• 1:17:44Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:17:45Shawn Ryan?

  It's incest. It's brother, mother.

• 1:17:49Speaker 03

  Really?

• 1:17:49Shawn Ryan?

  Brother, sister, daddy, daughter. That's what the most, that's what the most searched shit is in porn. And so when you introduce a kid to pornography and what, kids are, kids are fine. We have family friends whose kids have found it at fucking eight years old. The most horrific shit. We're not talking like, you know, uh, Top Gun sex scene back in the eighties. That I wasn't allowed to watch. You know, we're talking full on fucking gangbangs, like disgusting incest. And so you get introduced to porn. Watch that, then that's not enough. Then you move into the incest shit. Then you're into.

• 1:18:28Shawn Ryan?

  I don't know, beastie house, shit with animals. Then the next thing you know, none of that stuff does, does, it is rotted your fucking mind completely. And then you go to the pedophilia. That's what I think it is.

• 1:18:42Speaker 03

  And you think it's increased from when we were growing up?

• 1:18:44Shawn Ryan?

  I think it has definitely increased since we were growing up. Although, I don't know, I mean, a lot of the people I bring on this show. I'll bet fifty percent of them admittedly talk about their sexual abuse as a kid.

• 1:18:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, I've been shocked how many people have told me about their sexual abuse since they've seen me leading on Epstein.

• 1:19:00Shawn Ryan?

  It's crazy.

• 1:19:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, saying four to eight. And you know what? One of the things I get told a lot is, "Yeah, I was abused. I was abused by an uncle. I was abused by a babysitter. I was abused by a babysitter's husband. And I never told my parents." And I said, "Why didn't you tell your parents?" He said, "'Cause my dad would have killed the guy." And I didn't want to put my father in that position where he would go to jail. And some of these people don't, never told their parents till they were thirty, forty. Some of them never told their parents. But the amount of people who've had this in their families has been just shocking to me.

• 1:19:34Shawn Ryan?

  It's almost, it's, it appears to be more have been victimized than not. And then, let me go a little bit further with this porn shit.

• 1:19:44Shawn Ryan?

  So on top of the porn, so you have all these teenage boys that are getting, and girls that are getting addicted to porn and the, and the most disgusting shit you can imagine, because it's all out there. But then you also have the predators. And so the predators get in touch with the females, you know, the, the, the, the, ten, eleven, on up to whatever, seventeen, eighteen. And they lure them in with, "I'm gonna get you this Louis Vuitton bag if you send me a picture of yourself." They, they, they do it. Then they're, then they're immediately extorted. But the other girls find out that this shit's happening and they want a fucking Louis Vuitton bag. And they want a new iPhone. And they want this and that and the other thing. And what may start off is, uh, you know, just send me something of you in a bikini.

• 1:20:29Shawn Ryan?

  And then it turns into a boob, and then it turns into the whole thing. And then they're inserting things in themselves and, and, and, and, and cutting and it's, you've, I'm sure you know about this. Anyways, these girls, they get, they, they want that. They want the, you know, so they go for this older. They want the free shit.

• 1:20:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:20:48Shawn Ryan?

  They want the trinkets. Now, those girls are no longer interested in teenage boys.

• 1:20:56Shawn Ryan?

  So there's no connection there. There's no dating. And so now what the fuck do the teenage boys do? They turn, they they they go back to porn, and then they get addicted to this stuff. And it gets worse.

• 1:21:08Speaker 03

  It's a cycle.

• 1:21:09Shawn Ryan?

  And it gets worse, and it gets worse, and it gets worse.

• 1:21:13Speaker 03

  That's

• 1:21:14Shawn Ryan?

  It's OnlyFans, it's Pornhub.

• 1:21:16Speaker 03

  How do we turn it around?

• 1:21:20Shawn Ryan?

  You guys gotta, you gotta do something about the pornography in the country.

• 1:21:23Speaker 03

  Regulate it.

• 1:21:24Shawn Ryan?

  It's everywhere. I mean, I got on,

• 1:21:28Shawn Ryan?

  I got on Brave. Do you know what Brave is?

• 1:21:31Speaker 03

  I don't.

• 1:21:31Shawn Ryan?

  Supposedly like the new, it's, it's like a secure Google, kinda like DuckDuckGo.

• 1:21:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:21:36Shawn Ryan?

  It was either DuckDuckGo or Brave. I can't, that's what I use. I don't use Google anymore. And I looked up one of the guests that was coming on the show. Well, that guest apparently also, there's also OnlyFans, a girl or a porn star that has the same name. I just did a e, a, a, a search, just a regular search, like, Sean Ryan, you know what I mean? And then it wasn't Sean Ryan, but it was a different Sean Ryan. It's just, i- i- it's, and it's everything, all of it, all of, on a simple search.

• 1:22:11Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 1:22:11Shawn Ryan?

  That everybody, I mean, every

• 1:22:14Speaker 03

  That's crazy.

• 1:22:15Shawn Ryan?

  This, this, but this is, I think that this is a big part of what's happening, is it starts with that. Cause I mean, these kids are finding this shit, six, seven, eight years old. And they're addicted to it. And, and, and, and then to feed the, feed the addiction, you have to get it, it gets weirder and weirder and weirder until it becomes illegal and

• 1:22:37Speaker 03

  And then when they turn nineteen, twenty, they're replicating it. They're the ones on Roblox and other things, trying to abuse.

• 1:22:43Shawn Ryan?

  Well, a lot of these kids that are abused, I mean, it's, it's, a lot of these kids that are abused wind up turning into abusers themselves because it's all they fucking know.

• 1:22:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:22:52Shawn Ryan?

  You know? And I'll tell you another thing.

• 1:22:54Speaker 03

  And it's one of the, some of the abuse is online, right? I mean, and that's scarring as well. I mean, there's obviously the physical abuse. But if you're online for months or years in an abusive online interaction with an adult, I mean, that can be just as jarring to someone's psychology.

• 1:23:09Shawn Ryan?

  Well, the desensit, the, the, the desensitizing these kids is also a big part of it. When we're talking about Roblox. I mean, they're desensit, they're, they're taking real events, real, I mean, I remember thinking this, do you ever watch Walking Dead?

• 1:23:25Speaker 03

  No, but I know what it is.

• 1:23:26Shawn Ryan?

  About six, seven years ago, I remember my wife was big into it and I'm watching. There was a, I don't, I don't know his name. He's an Asian kid in the, in the series.

• 1:23:37Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:23:38Shawn Ryan?

  And they have a guy with a baseball bat. With nails or something on the end of it and it shows him beating the kid's head in. This is, this is public TV.

• 1:23:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:23:48Shawn Ryan?

  And then it shows like the vantage point through his eyes.

• 1:23:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:23:52Shawn Ryan?

  And I'm like, there's fucking kids that watch this shit.

• 1:23:55Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:23:56Shawn Ryan?

  That's.

• 1:23:56Speaker 03

  Gratuitous.

• 1:23:57Shawn Ryan?

  And then you go to Roblox and, and they're reenacting. Active shooter events.

• 1:24:02Speaker 03

  That, that, I was so disgusted and shocked by that. I couldn't believe it. I can't believe someone comes up with the idea of doing a video game where you're. Reenacting, uh, killing six-year-olds at Sandy Hook and you're reenacting the shooter killing his own mom. And then you're celebrating that and then they have the victims' names. I mean.

• 1:24:21Shawn Ryan?

  Eight-year-olds are doing this, probably younger than eight. And so, I mean, could you imagine? The process of deet sense, I mean, it's, it's just, it's introduced at such a young age that.

• 1:24:32Speaker 03

  Right. And all it takes is a few, a few of them to actually internalize it, right? And you wonder why we have the kind of violence and the problems. In our society.

• 1:24:42Shawn Ryan?

  It's not a few of them. It's millions.

• 1:24:44Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:24:46Shawn Ryan?

  They said, Roblox has 80 million users a day. A day.

• 1:24:52Speaker 03

  I wonder how much that Sandy Hook game gets every day. I mean, that should be pulled today. Like it, that, I. They need to look at all these games that are reenacting.

• 1:25:01Shawn Ryan?

  I'll bet it gets pulled as soon as this episode comes out, but there's a lot more of those and we got the screen recordings. You motherfuckers are going down. You motherfuckers are going down, but what people need to realize is these fuck, that doesn't mean the evil goes away. It's just gonna go to the next fucking platform.

• 1:25:20Speaker 03

  Until we deal with the broader pornography, the broader. Desensitization on violence.

• 1:25:26Shawn Ryan?

  You have to do something about the porn industry.

• 1:25:29Speaker 03

  There's gotta be some values. I'm a free speech guy and I may let people live, but it can't be at the point of degeneracy. It can't be at the point of-

• 1:25:38Shawn Ryan?

  It cannot be that accessible to kids. And when you and I grew up, it was in the back of the movie rental section with black fucking paper over the covers.

• 1:25:46Speaker 03

  Or you used to get the magazine, right? And people would be nervous about even getting the magazine. It used to be in a section that was restricted. Now it's all over.

• 1:25:57Shawn Ryan?

  It's everywhere.

• 1:26:01Shawn Ryan?

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• 1:26:19Shawn Ryan?

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• 1:26:26Shawn Ryan?

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• 1:27:08Shawn Ryan?

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• 1:27:52Shawn Ryan?

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• 1:29:26Shawn Ryan?

  We've got some Patreon questions.

• 1:29:27Speaker 04

  Is that right?

• 1:29:28Shawn Ryan?

  All right, cool.

• 1:29:31Shawn Ryan?

  All right, Ro. Just a couple of Q and A here. This is from Megan W. From Megan W. With all the corruption and fraud being exposed, will the American taxpayer ever see any accountability? And what would that accountability even look like?

• 1:29:50Speaker 03

  Well, Megan, look, we've got to have accountability, both in the federal government and in state governments. Federal government, the biggest fraud, in my view, and waste is in the Defense Department. They failed seven audits. And I'm all for paying our troops, I'm all for having national security, but you've got these defense contractors making millions of dollars for their executives, ripping off the American people, where you're buying things that a commercial product would cost one-tenth the amount. And so, we need to have an actual audit of the Department of Defense. It's 56% of our budget. By the way, Medicare Advantage is also ripping people off, billing the American government by saying people are sicker than they actually are. Those are two places to look at fraud and waste.

• 1:30:35Speaker 03

  On the state governments, I'm working, actually, on a bipartisan basis, partly after our conversation, to say we should have some kind of audit of all state governments, so that there is accountability. You know, in my state, there's been places of waste, like you had a train that was supposed to be built in 2008. And every year, you know, they say, "Oh, the train's gonna be built, the train's gonna be built." It was supposed to connect LA and San Francisco, it still hasn't connected Bakersfield to Merced. And we've been there 20, almost 20 years. You know, so that's a clear case. We've got a problem in my state of people who are homeless and unhoused. We've spent billions of dollars on that issue, but we still have a huge homeless population

• 1:31:20Speaker 03

  in Los Angeles, in San Francisco.

• 1:31:22Shawn Ryan?

  That's become a business. The homeless stuff has become a business.

• 1:31:26Speaker 03

  It is an issue in our state. We have not handled it well.

• 1:31:30Shawn Ryan?

  The rich have turned the homeless issue into a business.

• 1:31:34Speaker 03

  Well, there's waste that's gone, in terms of where that money is going, because it's certainly not getting people the treatment and the shelter that they need. We're not addressing that in our state. You know, our cost of living is so high that we have one of the highest poverty indexes in California, when you look at and adjust for cost of living. And we have one of the highest housing costs. So, yeah, we've done well as a state, when you look at the UCs and... The colleges and when you look at Stanford and Berkeley and we look at the startups and the production of wealth, but when you look at the working class and the middle class and the high cost of housing, the high cost of energy, the fact that wages haven't kept

• 1:32:17Speaker 03

  up and you have all this waste when it comes to the high speed rail or homelessness, we've got issues. So there needs to be accountability and that's one of the big issues. There's like 10 people running for governor in my state. That's one of the big issues is who's going to turn around the mess.

• 1:32:32Shawn Ryan?

  There's 10 people running for governor?

• 1:32:34Speaker 03

  Only 10 serious people because people are so upset. People are upset that, you know, they're upset with the homelessness. They're upset with the cost of living. They're upset that if you're working class in California, life is hard. They're upset with

• 1:32:48Shawn Ryan?

  Crime.

• 1:32:49Speaker 03

  Crime, public safety. They're upset that we have not, we've had huge income inequality. And so there, you know, there are all these candidates running saying, I'm going to turn this around and we'll see who wins.

• 1:33:01Shawn Ryan?

  Anybody good? Anybody good?

• 1:33:03Speaker 03

  I've endorsed Tom Starr, but there are a bunch of people who are running who are thoughtful and, you know, I mean, there's Matt May and Eric Swalwell, you know, Katie Porter. I mean, it'll be a, it's a good race, but they're all running unchanged. They're all running saying California is not working. Energy costs are too high. Homelessness is too high. We have too much waste, fraud, abuse in Sacramento. PG&E is ripping us off in terms of our energy prices. The supplemental poverty rate is the one of the highest in the nations when it comes to people who are the working class and poor, when you factor in cost of living. Our education system, K through 12, has not been working in terms

• 1:33:43Speaker 03

  of our 38th or 40th. So there's a lot that needs to change. It's a, it's a huge undertaking for whoever wins.

• 1:33:50Shawn Ryan?

  Where are you on nuclear?

• 1:33:51Speaker 03

  I'm for, I'm for nuclear.

• 1:33:53Shawn Ryan?

  You're for nuclear?

• 1:33:54Speaker 03

  I'm for nuclear. Where are you on it?

• 1:33:56Shawn Ryan?

  I'm very pro-nuclear.

• 1:33:58Speaker 03

  It's got to be part of the mix. By the way, the left do disagree with me. I say if you look at the intergovernmental panel of climate change that the UN did, they say that nuclear has to be part of the mix in terms of tackling climate and you need renewables, but you need nuclear as well.

• 1:34:17Shawn Ryan?

  From Lee Greathouse, "In your opinion, what is the biggest change that we could make that would restore Congress to the original intent of the founding fathers and would it even be possible?"

• 1:34:27Speaker 03

  Get money out of politics and term limits. So, uh, get rid of all of the super PACs, all of the PACs, all of the donors, you know, have public financing or say you can only get money from people in your district. Give everyone a hundred bucks of money, maybe they could give to any candidate they wanted, but get the big money out and then have term limits. You could say 12 years as a member of Congress, six terms, two terms as a senator. You could debate what the right is, you know, 18 years as a Supreme Court Justice. These things were never designed to be lifelong pursuits. And if, and people may agree or disagree with Massey or me, but we are willing to

• 1:35:10Speaker 03

  take risk to risk our own seats, right? Massey has a primary challenge. People upset him here trying to do a primary challenge. And the reason we're willing to do it is because we don't have a view that this is a lifetime gig. Like, okay, you do there, you make an impact, then you do something else with your life. And some of these people, they've been there 40 years, 50 years. Chuck Schumer, literally, I think, has been there before I was born, like in office, his first elective office. How is that?

• 1:35:35Shawn Ryan?

  Feinstein died in office.

• 1:35:38Speaker 03

  I called on her to resign. She wasn't going to meetings for a year. Like, she wasn't, she was just-

• 1:35:43Shawn Ryan?

  Mitch McConnell stroking out on camera.

• 1:35:46Speaker 03

  I mean, what-

• 1:35:47Shawn Ryan?

  On fucking camera, multiple times.

• 1:35:48Speaker 03

  And it's, you know, fuck, is anybody even in there? What the fuck are we doing? And, you know, it's, it, it, it happens in sports, right? Like, the athletes always stay a season or two long, but this isn't a sport. Like, right, okay, you do that, your, your team maybe have a bad season. This is the United States of America. Well, like, you can't take that kind of a risk where we've got people in there, in their 60s and 70s and 80s. I'm not saying, I'm not ageist, just I'm saying have a, a, a, a, uh, elected officials that represent the demographics of the country. But what happens if, when you've been there 30 years, you build name ID, you build the donor network. So even if you're not doing the job, you can just coast.

• 1:36:33Shawn Ryan?

  It really does just come down to the donors, doesn't it? The voters don't even fucking matter. It's just the donors.

• 1:36:39Speaker 03

  The donors have- A huge influence. I mean, someone dislikes me, you're a billionaire. You say, okay, I'm gonna put in $10 million tomorrow against Connor. Okay, so if someone is a no-name person can come in $10 million, you can be on TV, they'll get an equal name recognition right away. And then you find some vote, I've been there nine years, I'm sure there are some votes people will be upset at. You highlight that vote, say Connor is selling you out because he voted for this. Vote for the new guy. And so one person, literally with money, can take someone out. So if you just want to keep your job, the way to keep your job is keep your head low. Don't call out anyone in power. Don't ruffle too many feathers. Just keep climbing up and then you're part of the club and one day you'll chair the committee

• 1:37:21Speaker 03

  or get a big position or, you know, you'll, you'll get your shot. And that's, that's how our system works. And then once you're in there, as long as you're not ruffling any feathers, uh, your name ID keeps getting higher. Your donor base keeps getting bigger and then it's hard to beat you.

• 1:37:38Shawn Ryan?

  You know,

• 1:37:41Shawn Ryan?

  there's a way around this and I think you're starting to figure out how. It's podcasts.

• 1:37:47Speaker 03

  I think that's the, that's the, that's our shot. The independent media. I mean, you're, I, I, I said this, I, I go on Sunday shows all the time and I, uh, I'm not saying this to insult them because I still want to be invited on, but I've had more people reach out to me the one time I came on than probably four or five of those Sunday appearances in a row. Cause the same people are watching the Sunday shows. Whereas, you know, with, I, I had a guy, a janitor in the Capitol. Say Congressman Connor, he started yelling at me. He said, I saw, I saw you on Sean Ryan. I don't agree with half the stuff you do, but thank you for going on. He's a good guy, right? I mean, your demographic is not just the people who read the New York Times. You got working class folks who, who, who listen in.

• 1:38:31Speaker 03

  You've got Republicans, Democrats, independents. So I think you can bypass the, uh, elites who have.

• 1:38:40Speaker 03

  Run this country for too long. I'm not saying they don't have a role. But that wasn't democracy, right? Like, and, and, and, and we've seen from this Epstein class and files that their values are out of sync. It doesn't matter how intelligent you are. Most of these people are brilliant. Most of these people, we want their intelligence. They've started great companies. They've done great things in finance. I'm all for intelligence. I'm all for people building wealth. But wealth and intelligence without values is meaningless. What built America is the values. And so I think what the democracy does, what podcasts do is it sort of reminds people that the people in charge first matters having the right values. Then we can have the intelligence and the ambition and everything else.

• 1:39:26Shawn Ryan?

  Sean Murphy. How can we trust any of our elected leaders, especially with how wide the scope of involvement with Epstein appears to be?

• 1:39:37Speaker 03

  It's a big question. And it's not just our elected class. It's the entire leadership class, business leaders, finance leaders, tech leaders, Hollywood. Like, how do we get a new moral beginning? How do we have a cleansing in this country? I think the first thing is we've got to have accountability. If we don't have accountability, people are just going to say, ah, nothing changes. There's got to be accountability. There was no accountability after the Great Recession. You talk to young folks, they've seen the Great Recession, they've seen COVID, they've seen these wars. They think this elite class has totally let them down and no one gets held accountable. That's why I think there have to be prosecutions. There have to be investigations. There have to be investigations in Congress. And then people say, okay, there's something different.

• 1:40:22Speaker 03

  They're at least holding people accountable. And then we need a new generation. We need a new generation of people in Congress, in the Senate, in these positions. And we need a new moral beginning. I, I believe that the fundamental test of office should be character, should be values. Are you willing to stand for what you believe? Are you willing to do this and then go do something else?

• 1:40:42Shawn Ryan?

  I think that's what everybody wants. Well, that's what it... So I won't talk to very many people anymore from Congress or the Senate or any administration because they just fucking come in here and lie right to my face every single time. It's crazy. That's why I appreciate what you're doing. Um, Rafael Vieira.

• 1:41:05Shawn Ryan?

  What reforms are needed so wealthy or well-connected individuals can't receive preferential treatment in federal prosecutions?

• 1:41:14Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 1:41:16Shawn Ryan?

  That's a tough one.

• 1:41:17Speaker 03

  That, well, first of all, it gets back to the money in politics. So why is it that they're shielded? Because they know politicians. Why is it that they know politicians? Because the politicians need them for campaign finance, right? So a lot of it gets back to this fundamental original sin in America, which is our money in politics. It's, I think, why our elite are not being held accountable in the way that elite in Britain are. Because in Britain, you don't need that kind of money to run for political office. So the, the root of it is, uh, is the money. But the, the, the, the second thing is that we ought to be making it a, a total crime and prosecute those crimes for interference in the justice system. I

• 1:41:58Speaker 03

  mean, the fact that Maria Farmer sent a note to the FBI in 1996 that Epstein was raping young girls, and the FBI sat on this and didn't do anything. And then for 30 years, Maria Farmer was called a liar, is appalling. And where's the accountability? Why aren't we investigating those people at the FBI who just sat on this, who didn't do anything? That's why when people say, oh, this is a Trump thing, I say, no, it's not. It's an America thing. This happened over successive presidents. This was, these survivors were ignored and abandoned in many different administrations. And yeah, you can lay it all on Clinton or Trump, but that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about a system that protected these rich and powerful people.

• 1:42:44Shawn Ryan?

  Last one, from Big Country. With the short attention span of the American people, do you see this gradually fading into the background of our two-tiered justice system?

• 1:42:55Speaker 03

  I don't, because I think it's gotten into the popular culture. I mean, when you have a factory worker going in Michigan and yelling at the president, you're protecting pedophiles, that's when I knew this was breaking through. People are talking about this in bars, they're talking about it. I think, I'm sure they will at the Super Bowl parties on Sunday. People get this story. They don't understand all the complexity of Mendelson and Britain sending Epstein information about Britain trying to buy up the euro and Epstein trading on it. They may not understand the complexities of Epstein showing up at the CIA and talking about Modi and talking about the world leaders,

• 1:43:37Speaker 03

  but they understand the simple point that you don't rape American girls, and you don't prey on American girls who are from working-class families, and that they are disgusted by the fact that rich and powerful people, who, by the way, are often surrounded by women, are taking such liberties and such arrogance that they're associating with a pedophile and being totally fine going to an island where pedophilia is taking place. That resonates. That broke through. And I think that is the turning point. That maybe this can be the turning point for a new moral beginning in our country. Like, maybe this can be the final straw.

• 1:44:17Shawn Ryan?

  I think it's happening. I don't know if it's gonna go, but I think it's happening because I, yeah, I'm for the, regardless of what the comments section says, the views, the like, all this stuff, the phone calls, the emails, the texts that we're, I mean, this is, this is uniting people. And it's really fucking cool to see people start to look beyond the bullshit party lines. I really, I think that's the most important thing. Accountability, and we have to fucking find a way to start talking to each other, like what we're doing right now.

• 1:44:52Speaker 03

  I appreciate you.

• 1:44:54Shawn Ryan?

  Roe, good to see you, man.

• 1:44:56Speaker 03

  We'll do, we'll do it in DC with Massey and the Survivors next.

• 1:45:00Shawn Ryan?

  Let's do it. Let's do it.

• 1:45:01Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 1:45:02Shawn Ryan?

  Thank you.

• 1:45:16Shawn Ryan?

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