#79 Sean Webb - CIA Funds Remote Viewing Program | Part 1

Sean Webb is the author of "Mind Hacking Happiness" and through his work with the Monroe Institute, Webb has become one of the foremost authorities on remote viewing & consciousness. In this episode, Webb walks us through the history and process of remote viewing. We learn about the CIA's interest in this phenomenon and the back story of one of the most famous remote viewers–Joe McMoneagle. Webb outlines his experience with his first remote viewing. Shawn Ryan Show Sponsors: https://lairdsuperfood.com - USE CODE "SRS" https://hvmn.com/shawn https://meetfabric.com/shawn https://blackbuffalo.com - USE CODE "SRS" https://goldco.com/ryan | 855-936-GOLD #goldcopartner Sean Webb Links: Website - https://mindhackinghappiness.com Volume I - https://www.audible.com/pd/Mind-Hacking-Happiness-Volume-I-Audiobook/B071W7BRFB?source_code=AUDFPWS0223189MWT-BK-ACX0-087885&ref=acx_bty_BK_ACX0_087885_rh_us Volume II - https://www.audible.com/pd/Mind-Hacking-Happiness-Audiobook/B074TYB2RM?source_code=AUDFPWS0223189MWT-BK-ACX0-093958&ref=acx_bty_BK_ACX0_093958_rh_us Pre-Order The Human Mind Owner's Manual - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0C7M1N36F The Monroe Institute - https://www.monroeinstitute.org Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/mindhackinghappiness Tik Tok - https://www.tiktok.com/@mindhackinghappiness Please leave us a review on Apple & Spotify Podcasts. Vigilance Elite/Shawn Ryan Links: Website | Patreon | TikTok | Instagram | Download Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 1:01Shawn Ryan?

  In 1958, a company known as Monroe Industries began funding a research project where they were studying accelerated learning through practical environmental changes. Well, as a result of their findings, in 1971, the research project actually expanded in what's now known as the Monroe Institute was founded. Now, what exactly is accelerated learning through practical environmental changes? Well, essentially, what the Monroe Institute is doing is they are studying and developing psychic-type abilities. Now, a lot of you probably think, oh, this is kind of, it's kind of out there.

• 1:45Shawn Ryan?

  Well, you might want to know that the Central Intelligence Agency has actually funded and invested a very significant amount of money into the Monroe Institute to develop remote viewers. Now, here today on Sean Ryan Show, I have an ambassador of the Monroe Institute. He's a good friend of mine. Ladies and gentlemen, if you haven't yet, please head over to Apple and Spotify. Leave us a review. Tell us how we're doing. Like, comment, and subscribe to the channel. Many of you already know this, that we have a ton of raw reels. We see you guys taking our content, repurposing it. We made it easy for you. There's a link below in the description.

• 2:31Shawn Ryan?

  It's got tons of raw reels for you. You can download them for free, do whatever you want with them, monetize them, make money. Ladies and gentlemen, without further ado, please welcome my good friend, Shawn Webb, to the Shawn Ryan Show. Cheers.

• 2:55Shawn Ryan?

  Shawn, welcome back to the show. Thank you, sir. Good to be back. So, uh, we did a previous episode talking about the dangers of AI and how it's gonna manipulate the entire population, how to combat it, which was fascinating. We're recording a second episode just a couple hours after that. So anybody who has not seen that, I highly encourage you to go back and watch the previous episode with Shawn. It is some of the most intriguing content that we've ever recorded here. And so today, so you're no stranger to

• 3:34Shawn Ryan?

  the show. So today, we're gonna get into the Monroe Institute and remote viewing, how you got involved in that, what's the Monroe Institute, talk about, you know, some of the stuff that CIA and the Monroe Institute have collaborated on and when it comes to remote viewing and, and, um, and we'll get into it. Nice. But, um, yeah, really, I am

• 4:00Shawn Ryan?

  super pumped about this episode as well. The last, we took a long lunch to, uh, reset our brains from, from, from the previous one. We're recording two in one day. But because it's a separate episode, everybody always gets a gift, no matter how many times you come on the show. You got any ideas? I don't know. Let me guess. Come on.

• 4:24Shawn Ryan?

  Thank you, sir.

• 4:28Shawn Ryan?

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• 4:42Shawn Ryan?

  Back, back to me?

• 4:45Shawn Ryan?

  So, yeah. I'm gonna eat them. I'm gonna share them with my son. You should. Yeah. You should. I'll give you some extra ones. Nice. Since we're doing, uh... Appreciate it.

• 4:56Shawn Ryan?

  Two episodes, but anyways, digging into, I've been very interested in the topic of remote viewing and the Monroe Institute. I found out about the Monroe Institute several years ago, uh, just kinda digging around at some stuff and, and, and, and remote viewing.

• 5:19Shawn Ryan?

  Seen some things, um...

• 5:23Shawn Ryan?

  I won't go into it, but, uh, I've, I've seen some things. Let's just say I've seen some things overseas. I've seen some people brought in. And, um, or, let me rephrase that. I haven't seen these things. I know people who I've worked with who have seen these. Well, they've used remote viewing for... Yes. Operations, yeah. And... It's effective. It, it, ever since I've, ever since that got put in my ear, I have just been intrigued by it. Yeah. And been wanting to dive in and I haven't, it's, it's, the Monroe Institute has been a topic on, I have a sheet that, of, of,

• 6:07Shawn Ryan?

  of different topics that I'm, I'm very interested in, that I wanna interview people about and, and on the same sheet is a list of nades. Like a dream list of who I wanna interview. Yeah. Monroe is, Monroe Institute and remote viewing has been on there. It was one of the first things I put on the list. And then we had a conversation, um...

• 6:27Shawn Ryan?

  And about somebody else.

• 6:29Sean Webb?

  Yeah.

• 6:30Shawn Ryan?

  Who you were prompting me to kind of get on the show, and I hope that happens. And then we got into a detailed conversation and I was just, I was, it was, it just felt, I was like, hey, you gotta get in here. We gotta do this. We gotta do this.

• 6:44Sean Webb?

  Yeah.

• 6:44Shawn Ryan?

  And so, thank you for coming, man.

• 6:47Sean Webb?

  Thanks for having me back, man. I really appreciate it.

• 6:48Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, it's, it's, uh, I know this one's just gonna be just as.

• 6:53Sean Webb?

  I love this topic.

• 6:55Shawn Ryan?

  Me too. So, let's get into, let's just get right into it. Let's, what is the Monroe Institute?

• 7:05Sean Webb?

  So, the Monroe Institute is one of the, if not the premier research institutes for consciousness expansion. And on the east coast at least, if not in the country. Now, that begs the question, okay, so what is consciousness? And consciousness is that

• 7:29Sean Webb?

  place within us that we observe from. It's a separate space from our minds because, like, if we talked about the last episode, we talked about one characteristic, one phenomenon of consciousness versus our mind's knowledge. If we can take our consciousness and see what our mind is doing with our emotions and stuff like that, see our mind in operation, that proves that consciousness is separate from our mind. And so, we're not exactly sure. We don't have a complete definition of what consciousness is. No one agrees on the definition of consciousness. There are a lot of scientists out there that say consciousness is an emergent property, the complex system of our brains, and if our brains weren't there, we wouldn't have consciousness.

• 8:11Sean Webb?

  And while that's true to a point, it doesn't necessarily say that consciousness is just in our brains. And I feel that the evidence that science has put forward is that consciousness is actually out beyond our bodies as well as something that we experience through our bodies. But when you reach out out of your body into consciousness, you can do things like remote viewing and to see into the future, to discern information, which by the way comes from a study that was done 90 times in 33 different independent labs in 14 different countries that showed human beings can literally look into the future regarding a task they're doing now.

• 8:52Sean Webb?

  Well, expansion out into that consciousness is that practice of taking your mind and going out beyond your body to find out the cool things that you can do with it and the cool things that you can experience with it and the new things that you can learn and the ways that you can use it for things like remote viewing. And so Monroe is that place that helps develop technology to help humans expand that consciousness out beyond their body and do really cool things with it. They have, you know, they invented this HennySync technology that everybody's talking about. They're the place that the CIA had that report out on the internet that was, you know, popular on social media just recently of, you know, the gateway tapes and the gateway protocol.

• 9:37Sean Webb?

  They invented that. And that's what the government was using and experimenting with and researching regarding expansion of consciousness, using the human's innate ability to reach out beyond the body into consciousness to do cool stuff. That's what Monroe is.

• 9:53Shawn Ryan?

  Are they just into, I shouldn't say just, but is the focus remote viewing or is there other, other aspects of consciousness that they're researching as well?

• 10:04Sean Webb?

  There are other aspects. They're number one in remote viewing because of their history of helping to develop a training program for the CIA and military industrial remote viewers.

• 10:18Sean Webb?

  That they developed the program for, they trained the people in the government who were remote viewers for a number of years before they actually had their own program set up internally. So that's kind of their pedigree and their history is being the top place that trained all the remote viewers and put together a training program that allowed for people to do that kind of cool stuff. But then they branched out into other stuff, like Bob Monroe, who started the Monroe Institute, who's no longer with us. He was interested in all kinds of cool stuff and the utilization of technology to expand consciousnesses in multiple places. Now they got courses on how to reach out and communicate with extraterrestrial entities, like, you know, some crazy fringe stuff. But they also have other stuff like how to train yourself for potentially having out

• 11:02Sean Webb?

  of body experiences and extending your consciousness out to go see things, not in a remote viewing fashion, but to go see other places and other things that aren't local to your body consciousness. And they've got all kinds of stuff and they do some, I mean, it's almost like a philanthropy or an outreach to spirits. One of their programs reaches out to lost souls that haven't found their way to their final destination after their death. They're confused about, you know, where they are and what happened and yeah, yeah, yeah, they lost their life suddenly and they're just wandering around. And they have a program that's designed to help go out and reach those folks and lead them into a place where they can, you know, finally get to their final destination.

• 11:46Sean Webb?

  It's like, and there's science up there that helps validate a lot of what they're doing in the physical realm to say there are, there's evidence that proves that this stuff is effective. There's evidence, and like in the case of Joe McMonigal, who was a remote viewer number one for the Army Intelligence and CIA program that they put together, his evidence is irrefutable. Like, that's on government record that he did all this stuff and was able to go to other places from his living room in Virginia and then out an entire nuclear sub program for the Russian military, where he was the only one in the room who drew the sub with all these characteristics and then it proved to be completely accurate.

• 12:31Sean Webb?

  And he drew it from his living room in Virginia.

• 12:34Shawn Ryan?

  That is the most remarkable, when we spoke on the phone.

• 12:38Sean Webb?

  Yeah.

• 12:38Shawn Ryan?

  And you told me about that, that is the most remarkable remote viewing. Piece of information I've ever heard.

• 12:46Sean Webb?

  That's not even his best one, but it's pretty impressive. You want me to tell the story?

• 12:49Shawn Ryan?

  Not yet. We'll get to that. We'll get to that. I want to stick with with the Monroe Institute, Bob Monroe.

• 12:55Sean Webb?

  Yeah.

• 12:55Shawn Ryan?

  And how long has the Monroe Institute been around?

• 12:58Sean Webb?

  Since the 60s, I believe.

• 13:00Shawn Ryan?

  Since the 60s?

• 13:01Sean Webb?

  Yeah.

• 13:05Shawn Ryan?

  How did, so I'm very interested in what you know. So the Central Intelligence Agency, CIA, and the Monroe Institute collaborated. A substantial amount of money was poured into the Monroe Institute to research. Is it research and develop, or did it start with research with Monroe viewing?

• 13:31Sean Webb?

  Well, the story that I got on the origin of Monroe Institute was that Bob Monroe was just simply interested in trying to figure out what technologies could assist with consciousness expansion. And he put together some programs and all they had were gateway experiences back in the day. And

• 13:50Shawn Ryan?

  What is a gateway experience?

• 13:51Sean Webb?

  So the gateway is Bob's method of introducing binaural frequencies to where, for instance, you have 100 hertz in one ear and 104 hertz in the other ear. You can hear them both, but you can't hear 4 hertz. Normally it's below our audible level. But if you put two signals in your ears right and left that have a difference of 4 hertz, your brain then starts activating in a way to try to resolve that. And it turns on things because that's specifically right in the delta and theta transition area. And it can turn on experiences in your mind that would not normally be turned on in your consciousness. And so it gives you different experiences of consciousness. And so

• 14:36Sean Webb?

  he started to experiment with that kind of technology. And that program, the gateway, was introducing people into different levels of consciousness where you could experience deeper levels of concentration aided by the technology that they were putting in headphones. Right? And so there's this guy,

• 14:56Sean Webb?

  Skip, who was instructed to put together the remote viewing program for the military and CIA because they were getting reports that Russia was doing the same thing, that they were using psychics to look inside the secrets of the United States. So they needed to do an analysis of what kind of risk. They were talking about and whether the United States should also investigate that type of technology.

• 15:17Shawn Ryan?

  Russia's doing this too.

• 15:19Sean Webb?

  Yeah, Russia was doing it at the time and we were getting reports about it.

• 15:21Shawn Ryan?

  So they were ahead of us on this?

• 15:23Sean Webb?

  Yeah.

• 15:24Shawn Ryan?

  Is anybody else doing this that you're aware of?

• 15:26Sean Webb?

  From what I understand, although no one would admit it, every major country in the United States is implementing this type of program, or excuse me, every, every major country in the world is implementing, is implementing this, like every first world nation is implementing this in their intelligence communities.

• 15:41Shawn Ryan?

  Wow.

• 15:43Sean Webb?

  Yeah, but no one wants to talk about it because first of all, it's woo woo crazy stuff. And second, you know, you don't want to identify your best viewers because for instance, like Joe was attempted to assassinated three times.

• 15:58Shawn Ryan?

  Hey, you know what? People listening right now that think this is woo woo, do a Google search, do a DuckDuckGo search, do a whatever the hell you want search and just Google Monroe Institute, CIA, and this shit's gonna come up.

• 16:14Sean Webb?

  Yeah.

• 16:15Shawn Ryan?

  So, there you go. For all of you people that still believe in, you know, that the, that, you know, you gotta hear it from a, from a government source.

• 16:26Sean Webb?

  Yeah.

• 16:27Shawn Ryan?

  Which I can't believe, whatever, but there it is, it's right there.

• 16:32Sean Webb?

  Yeah, I mean, they, they invested millions of dollars in Monroe. Skip, their old program director for remote viewing came down and was just researching, you know, trying to figure out what a, what a training program might look like for a remote viewer. How do you expand somebody's consciousness or how do you increase their level of psychic abilities? You know, and this is crazy stuff that they were investigating back then, but they wanted to make sure they weren't investing money in a bad way, or they weren't wasting it on charlatans, that type of thing. So he would go out to these places and, and investigate them. And Bob.

• 17:07Sean Webb?

  Basically took him around, gave him a tour, but put him in a radio shielded room with a pair of headphones on, started playing some tones in his ears, and skips started floating up out of his body. So he thought that was pretty interesting. And so he put him in a row on a short list of places to investigate after he identified some folks who could possibly be good remote viewers. And so then, he devised the idea that he said, okay, so we're looking for folks in the intelligence community. How do we find, you know, who might be the psychics? And he looked for folks who were in their jobs longer than they should be. Because he thought, just as a common sense perspective, if these

• 17:50Sean Webb?

  people are tuned into something extra, it's gonna be the folks who are surviving longer in a shorter life expectancy job, because they're making the right choices at the right times to stay alive. And it just so happened that Joe McMonigal, who was remote viewer number one, he had spent 14 years in the field as an operative. And he was in a job that the life expectancy was 20 months, and he'd spent 14 years in that job. So they yanked him in and started interrogating him to ask him to, you know, see if he was a double agent, was getting fed information on the other side. And when they figured out he wasn't, they sent him to Stanford Research Institute for testing, where Russell

• 18:32Sean Webb?

  Targ and Hal Putoff, which I'm sure those names will ring some bells for folks who are interested in extraterrestrial stuff, because Hal's at the top of that chain as well. Hal Putoff and Russell Targ were developing a program to try to test remote viewers. And they sent Joe McMonigal out there, and he tested off the charts. He nailed every one of their tests, except for one, and he got a second place result on the last one. What are some of these tests? So, basically, the tests were, we have a target, you don't know who it is, and that target, through a double-blind process, has been instructed to go to a location. The target doesn't know where the, the target's a person, the target doesn't know where the

• 19:16Sean Webb?

  location is until their hand of the envelope tells them to go there. The targets have been randomized and put in envelopes, and then a dice gets rolled for a randomization to select where they're going. And they're, they're, the two people are never in the same room. They don't know each other. The remote viewer goes in a radio shielded room that's separated in a different building. And the target randomized location, they get the envelope, they open it up, they go there. And so then it's the job of the remote viewer to say, okay, your target is at a location. Tell us about the location. And that's it. That's all they get. So then the remote viewer goes into a little bit of a meditation to clear their mind.

• 20:00Sean Webb?

  And Joe's explanation of remote viewing is like, imagine a cardboard door in front of you. And you poke a hole in it. And you don't see the whole picture. But you start to see a little bit of it. And you get the, the little pieces of information about things. And he started drawing what he saw on the target location. And he would nail, and now here's, here's the process of how a separate viewing gets viewed. It's a separate judge who isn't connected with the experiment at all, except he's judging the remote viewing versus multiple targets that could exist. So he doesn't know where the target is either.

• 20:44Sean Webb?

  He gets a randomized selection inside a stack of targets. And he has to take the drawing that the remote viewer has made and the information the remote viewer has written down, like any smells or any sounds or any images or what's, you know, the shape of a building or something like that. And then he has to, he or she has to take that remote drawing viewing, remote viewing drawing, and then match it to a number of things that are before him. So he doesn't know the target. He doesn't know the location. He doesn't, had, had contact with the remote viewer or the target. He just takes a drawing and matches it to a bunch of stuff on a wall. And he says, okay, this looks the most like this. It's got this pattern that he drew.

• 21:25Sean Webb?

  It's got this smell of this flower that's in the picture. It's got, you know, whatever it is. And then at that point, you're graded. And if that independent judge has taken the remote viewer's information and matched it to the correct target, that's a first place finish, first place result. And Joe hit first place result after first place result after first place result. And they sent him to MEDE at that point to start the remote viewing program. And now he didn't really believe it. He thought this whole thing was an operation on him. Like, how gullible is this guy? Like, can we string him along? How long is he gonna be strung along for that we're telling him he's psychic? Although, he kinda knew he was psychic because he'd get hints about operations in the jungle,

• 22:09Sean Webb?

  and he was all throughout Vietnam, and he's gone to 110 countries. He's a legit field operative. So, he's getting drops. He's going in and talking to tribal chiefs, making treaties and stuff like that. Like, he's a legit operator. So, he gets sent to Mead, and he doesn't quite believe that, you know, he doesn't understand what this remote viewing is all about yet, because he's brand-new to the program. He's brand-new to this experiment that they're trying to put together. So, he tries to test himself on Skylab in 1978, I think. It's coming down from, this is the first USS Space Station base. Like, the International Space Station. There was a Skylab version of it back in the late 70s.

• 22:54Sean Webb?

  Except, it ran out of juice, and they couldn't use it anymore. And it was gonna come down out of orbit and fall down and break apart, but not quite burn up. And so, they were really worried that major chunks of this, like refrigerator-sized stuff, was gonna come down and land on somebody's head. Telemetry wasn't what it is today, so they had no idea where this thing was coming down or when it was coming down. They just knew it was coming down. It was in a decaying orbit, and eventually it was gonna enter the atmosphere and could land literally anywhere on the planet. And they didn't know. And so, he was like, alright, I'm gonna test myself on this. He said, if I have an opportunity to fail, this is it. Because no one knows where this thing is coming down, and so, I'll just go into my remote viewing process that I'm being taught how to do this,

• 23:37Sean Webb?

  go into a meditation, see if I can figure this out. And he came up with a date, and he came up with a location. So, this, as far as the scientists were concerned, they were like, okay, this is gonna land somewhere, this is gonna re-enter somewhere in this six-month timeframe is the best guess. Six, what year is this? Do you know? It's like, I think it's like 78.

• 23:58Sean Webb?

  Yeah, so it was back then before they had a bunch of awesome telemetry to know exactly where something was in space. Now they're tracking all kinds of things that are this big in orbit.

• 24:06Shawn Ryan?

  So they, so they, they have a six-month window?

• 24:10Sean Webb?

  Yeah, basically.

• 24:10Shawn Ryan?

  Like it's gonna land somewhere, do they have a hemisphere?

• 24:14Sean Webb?

  No.

• 24:15Shawn Ryan?

  They just know it's gonna hit the earth in a six-month timeframe? Okay.

• 24:20Sean Webb?

  Yeah, because where, when it comes down, will definitely determine where it lands on the planet, right? If, if it goes an extra five minutes in orbit, well, it could be another whole nother continent because of the speed that it's going, right? It's up in order, like 17,000 miles an hour or whatever, so, um, so he wrote down a date and he wrote down, he walked up and put a pin on the map. And the pin on the map happened to be in Australia, and the date, he missed by six days. So the date was close, but the pin that he put on the map, he missed the location of re-entry by 30 miles, which statistically is one in

• 25:02Sean Webb?

  6,656,000. It's like hitting the lottery numbers on your first try to be able to identify where Skylab came down. If you're standing on the location where he put the pin on the map, you could look up and literally see Skylab breaking up in front of you.

• 25:18Shawn Ryan?

  Wow.

• 25:19Sean Webb?

  So Hal Puthoff said it was the best remote viewing of a future event that he'd ever seen, and I think still since, being able to identify where this thing was gonna come down out of orbit. And so at that point, Joe thought, okay, well, maybe this, maybe I'll stick with this remote viewing thing for a while.

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• 26:41Shawn Ryan?

  What sparked? What was the? What was the event that sparked CIA's interest in all of this?

• 26:49Sean Webb?

  Well, I think they were just motivated to try to investigate whether this had any merit for intelligence gathering and for operational information.

• 26:56Shawn Ryan?

  Was it Russia?

• 26:57Sean Webb?

  Yeah.

• 26:58Shawn Ryan?

  Russia's? Russia's capability with remote viewing is what sparked the United States to central intelligence agencies need to start looking into this.

• 27:07Sean Webb?

  Yeah.

• 27:08Shawn Ryan?

  How much money did they dump into this program?

• 27:11Sean Webb?

  We don't know exactly. Um, Joe personally told me over a lunch, millions. So more than one officially. I don't know how many millions, but it was very important for the United States to be able to investigate whether or not this had intelligence capabilities and what level of benefit that could be gleaned from investigating this type of of because they started getting amazing viewings out of Joe right away. And it's like, okay, well, how many amazing LeBron James of consciousness are there?

• 27:49Sean Webb?

  To say, you know, this person can sit in a room and tell me what's going on at a location and potential future events because some of the remote viewers that the CIA used were able to produce the effects of.

• 28:02Sean Webb?

  Nuclear tests that had been secret until the remote viewer said this is gonna happen. Be able to figure out whether it was gonna be a success or a failure because some of them were failures. And all the intelligence turned out to be correct, and so they were super interested. Joe McMonigal never missed the location of a nuclear sub in his entire career because he explains that there's a high level of entropy in a reactor for a sub. And that just glows like a big bright light in consciousness where those locations of those types of entropy events are. So if anyone ever needed to know, like they lost track of where a nuclear sub was for the Russians, they'd go into Joe's office and he goes, "Right here."

• 28:46Sean Webb?

  And they'd check their sensors and boom, it would be there.

• 28:49Shawn Ryan?

  Well, since we're talking about nuclear subs and Joe McMonigal, let's tell me the story.

• 28:57Sean Webb?

  Yeah. Well, the one that made everyone sit up and take notice and got them more funding for a large number of years was when there was a building that was identified by intelligence personnel that became the top priority for the National Security Council. It was the largest building under one roof in the world. And it was high in the Russian tundra, near this large body of water. So they thought it might be a manufacturing facility for some type of military craft. And they weren't sure what it was. And everybody wanted to know what was going on inside the building because they had triple death wire fencing.

• 29:37Sean Webb?

  In between all those, they had sentries with dogs, 24-hour site-to-site sentry circle around the property, trains coming in, dumping off raw materials 24/7, food coming in, food service for the people who are working inside the building, and no one knew what was going on inside the building. And so someone at the National Security Council meetings knew that they had a new site programmed down at Meade and sent the Manila folder down to Fort Meade and they handed it to Joe McMonigal. The first thing they handed him was simply map coordinates. And they said, "Show us what you see here."

• 30:17Sean Webb?

  And he came up with the building that they were concerned about. And he described the building and they said, okay, you're on target. And then they gave him a picture of that building. And they said, tell us what's going on inside here. Now, the guys at the National Security Council and all the intelligence guys were in the room. Came to the consensus that it was going to be some kind of troop carrier. Uh, that they could probably transport over to the ocean because it was four or five blocks away from the ocean, but it was short enough where they could transport something of medium size over to the ocean to get it into the water. Um, but that was their best guess. Joe McMonigal was the only person who came up with the result.

• 31:02Sean Webb?

  He dropped into the building and he started viewing this thing and he viewed it over a number of days. And came up with a drawing and an explanation and technical specifications for a brand new submarine. And he said, this is the biggest submarine in the world by far. It's one and a half times bigger than the next biggest sub. This is the brand new classification of Russian sub. And he came up with a number of very unique characteristics for that sub. And he said, it's not a cylinder. It's a cylinder that looks like it's cut in half, spread out, and then a flat part welded on the top and the bottom. And the US engineers looked at that later after he sent it and he said, that's impossible.

• 31:47Sean Webb?

  It'd be crushed at depth. You know, it's highly unlikely, et cetera. But then he added specifications, it's got a special drive. Um, propulsion system that I don't want to say too much about. Uh, but it's also got canted launch tubes, which means it can fire nuclear missiles on the run without having to stop, which could give us about 20 minutes warning that we're going to lose 1,200 cities. So this is a first strike weapon. And it's, by the way, if you've seen the movie Hunt for Red October, that submarine that they used in that movie was the sub that Joe McMonigal outed. He said it's almost two football fields long, it's 75 feet wide, it's seven stories tall.

• 32:28Sean Webb?

  He drew, and he's got a video of this, that he sent up to the National Security Council. He drew a diagram of the sub with its specifications, with its very interesting technical advancements that the United States didn't have on their subs. And he's got the original tape that he submitted to the NSC, and this has been declassified, so he can share it now. So this is the tape that he reported up to the NSC before the thing was launched, and proved him correct. But he sent all that up, and Robert Gates was the guy who's collecting all the information for the people, disseminating the information for the National Security Council, didn't even let it through. Really? Yeah, because he's like, this came from a psychic? And they're like, yeah.

• 33:12Sean Webb?

  And he's like, he looked at it, and he looked at the report, and he's like, okay, the sub, the engineer said the sub can't survive at depth, it's way too big, he's the only guy who thinks it's a sub, it's not, they're not gonna be able to roll this off into the water, there's no water there, and it's too big to transport over to the ocean. So he wrote "total fantasy" on top of the report, and sent it back to Joe at MEAT. Joe was not pleased. He's a little bit of an attitude, and he's a really good operative, who's now just been put into this remote viewing thing, which he's had some success in. And he's like, "I know this is a sub." And so he took that "total fantasy" remark, and he wrote under it, he went back into

• 33:55Sean Webb?

  a meditation, and he looked at the sub again, he looked how far along was it, and he made an estimation of how long it was gonna take to launch this thing, and he goes, "Yeah, well, your total fantasy launches in 112 days." Sent it back to Robert Gates at MEAT, or at the Pentagon. How did that go?

• 34:13Sean Webb?

  Robert Gates has a little bit of an ego. The good news is someone at the National Reconnaissance Office picked up this Pissin match and they were curious. And so they tasked a satellite to do a flyover at 114 days from that date that he said 112 days. And they snapped pictures of the Red October submarine, seven stories high, 75 feet wide, almost two football fields long, canted launch tubes, special propulsion, the whole thing. He nailed it all.

• 34:46Shawn Ryan?

  Are you serious?

• 34:47Sean Webb?

  Yeah. Two cylinders separated with flat pieces in between, right next to a brand new, in a brand new canal that they built right next to the building in from the sea so they could roll it off into the water. So they built a canal in the four months that he said they were going to launch it in and just dumped it into the canal right next to the building. So that was interesting. And they were two days into, they had all their hatches wide open because they were loading reactor cores and missiles, two days into the process of loading missiles. So he nailed it to the day, including all the specifications, and no one believed him.

• 35:28Sean Webb?

  And it was one of the greatest information gathering operations for any launch of any Russian equipment since and to this day.

• 35:37Shawn Ryan?

  I would imagine that sparked a lot of interest in remote viewing in Robert Gates, in Robert Gates's mind. So what, and I'm sure a lot of other minds and organizations, so what happened after this?

• 35:55Sean Webb?

  So the fringe folks who were starting to investigate remote viewing and sending tasks down to MEED. Became most of the intelligence agencies in the United States government started overtasking the remote viewers down there. So they got crushed.

• 36:13Shawn Ryan?

  How many remote viewers were there?

• 36:15Sean Webb?

  There were a bunch. I mean, there were four or five that they they had as a stable. And then they were trying out other individuals, bringing people in, letting people go because they were like less effective. But it was a constant barrage of life or death situations. Tell us what you can see. These are special operations that are going live. Tell us which way we need to turn. What's going on? Somebody just got kidnapped. We got probably 18 hours before he's dead. Help figure out where he went. A lot of missing people and missing operators. Tell us where he is. We'll go get him. And that was that was taxing on a lot of those remote viewers and they got burned out pretty quick. And so that that's

• 37:00Sean Webb?

  where help from Neuro Institute stepped in to help provide a training program that could give them a faster cooldown and a deeper focus on being able to get good information in a quicker time. So they didn't have to spend so much time prepping and meditation to be able to get in and get a good viewing on something.

• 37:22Shawn Ryan?

  How long do these guys spend on a meditation?

• 37:27Sean Webb?

  Well, it depends on the viewer. But you could do like in the in the early days, I think Joe told me he was spending, you know, 45 minutes to an hour to try to figure out a place where he could get to where he could get a good bit of information. But in his later years, after he was practiced, and this is why plasticity matters here, where your brain changes in form and function to help you do like you you play the piano, and then all of a sudden, you get better at playing the piano because your brain just gets used to it. And he says, Okay, I need to play the piano better. Shooting baskets, you get that muscle memory. Well, that's your brain changing to help you shoot those baskets better and just drain the three. Doing crossword puzzles, your brain will change in form and function to help you do the crossword puzzles faster. Well, it turns

• 38:12Sean Webb?

  out, remote viewing is the same way. Later in his life, when he was doing remote viewing, like for one example, he got a call one night when he was in Las Vegas, from the local sheriff who was looking for a missing child.

• 38:29Sean Webb?

  And the mom thought the child was with dad and the dad thought the child was with mom. And it's getting dark when they figured out the child is missing. And it's in Virginia wilderness and in the county in which Joe lived. And there's wild animals and it's getting cold at night and the kids may not make it.

• 38:48Sean Webb?

  He got a call in the middle of the night by the sheriff who's like, let's get the psychic on the phone. And Joe immediately picked up the phone, closed his eyes for like five seconds. And then basically told the sheriff, he goes, send your deputy out this road to this particular location. Have him stop the car. Get out of the car, get his compass out. And at 318 degrees on his compass, I want you to walk 1,209 steps. Stop. Call the child's name out and he will respond.

• 39:23Sean Webb?

  And that was like within five, 10 seconds of getting the call and asking, you know, what the details were, and then he gave a reading. And so he goes back to bed thinking, okay, hopefully they're going to find the kid.

• 39:36Sean Webb?

  If they follow his directions, they will. About five minutes later, 10 minutes later, you get another call in his hotel room and he's pissed because he's ringing the phone in the middle of the night again. So he gets up, grabs the phone. Hello? Joe? We sent our officer out there to the spot where you said. And he pulled out his compass and he, but this officer just said he got back from training last week regarding missing children. And he said, the statistics are that kids 10 and under will not walk up a hill when they're lost. But he's looking at his compass reading and it goes directly up a steep hill. What do you want us to do? And his answer was immediate is like, do what I told you to do. Click.

• 40:23Sean Webb?

  And so then another five, 10 minutes goes by and he gets another call. And he picks up the phone a little softer this time because I think he had a feeling that they found him. He's like, did you find him? And she goes, yes, Joe, thank you very much. Good night. And so the officer, against his training, went up the hill, 1,209 steps, followed the directions, stopped where he was, called out the child's name, and the kid answered him because he had walked up the hill to get to a cabin and he was sleeping on the back porch sofa of a cabin that was deserted at the time, but it had a light on. And he was a five-year-old kid and he said, my daddy said, if I ever got lost, walk to the closest light and stay there. And so he went up the hill and was sleeping on the

• 41:08Sean Webb?

  back porch of that cabin. And Joe sent that state trooper up the hill, called out his name and the kid woke up and answered him.

• 41:14Shawn Ryan?

  Wow.

• 41:15Sean Webb?

  And it took literally five seconds for him to get the original viewing to, and then all that stuff's like documented, right? I mean, these aren't, you know, oh bullshit, you know, made up stories. Like, he's got legitimate government records, you know, and he was awarded the Legion of Merit after retiring for all of the stuff and all of the aid that he was, all the operational intelligence that he provided that saved people's lives. So it's, it's possible to reach out beyond your regular physiology and see things that aren't local to you because consciousness is out beyond our body. And you just have

• 41:57Sean Webb?

  to be able to project yours to see other places and other things. And the more you do it, the better you get at it, the more you practice it, the better you can do it, and the more reliable it is.

• 42:09Shawn Ryan?

  As much as I want to keep talking about Joe McMonigal.

• 42:11Sean Webb?

  Yeah.

• 42:12Shawn Ryan?

  It's going to be, we have a collaborative effort here to get him in the studio to tell his story and I am very much hoping and praying that that happens.

• 42:23Sean Webb?

  I just saw him, because I just got back from Monroe Institute and I think he wants to come on, we're gonna try to figure out how to get that done. He doesn't travel so well, so maybe we have to figure something out, but he knows who you are and likes you, likes the show, and so that kinda helped. But, you know, he's a guy that when he calls the Pentagon, the Pentagon picks up the phone and says, "Yes, Joe." So he's, you know, he's one of those untouchable guys, he's an amazing guy, I'd love to have him come here and hang out and talk with you, because his stories are amazing. And he is the real deal, he's a national treasure of what he's done for the United States and United States Intelligence with his abilities.

• 43:05Shawn Ryan?

  Well, we're gonna do everything we can, so, and I really hope that happens. But you are now an official ambassador of the Monroe Institute, you've done some of this testing, you're getting into, not Monroe Institute, you're getting into remote viewing.

• 43:23Sean Webb?

  Yeah.

• 43:24Shawn Ryan?

  And so, how did you, how did you get involved with the Monroe Institute?

• 43:29Sean Webb?

  It was in my research to try to figure out what consciousness was and how it worked, that I ran into a documentary that included Joe in it, called Third Eye Spies. And it was about how Russell Targ and Hal Putoff put together the remote viewing programs for the government back in the day. It was a story about the origin and what they did to try to create a remote viewing training program and testing and, you know, put a scientific method behind the whole thing. And then they, in the latter part of that documentary, they interviewed Joe and had him on there and told a couple of stories about his accolades. And it was through that, that I found out he was still alive, that he was still teaching

• 44:14Sean Webb?

  remote viewing. And I was like, "That's amazing, I wanna go meet this guy and see what this is all about." Because if I'm writing a book about consciousness, and I believe that it goes on beyond the body, I wanna go meet a guy who's actually proven it.

• 44:31Sean Webb?

  And so I got signed up for his course and went up to Monroe, took his remote viewing course, and that was amazing, by the way, because not only did he go through the double-blind protocol and how to clear your mind and what you're looking for and how to just take whatever your mind is giving you and put it on the paper and don't judge it and don't name it. Just take the raw information, the raw data and put it down and then let somebody else judge if you've hit the target or not. Through that process, people who were brand new to remote viewing in the class were blowing their own minds on how well they could see things they had no idea about because you've got to understand, when you go up there to do a remote viewing, uh, Monroe, excuse me,

• 45:14Sean Webb?

  a remote viewing course, all they give you is a reference number. They give you a blank sheet of paper and they say, "B43, go."

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• 46:27Sean Webb?

  That's it.

• 46:28Shawn Ryan?

  What is that? What is B43?

• 46:31Sean Webb?

  It's the fucking number on the envelope of the image that you're supposed to look into the envelope and see what's in there.

• 46:37Shawn Ryan?

  So you, so when, day one, week one?

• 46:40Sean Webb?

  Yeah.

• 46:41Shawn Ryan?

  In the Monroe Institute for Remote Viewing, you get an envelope with a photograph?

• 46:46Sean Webb?

  You don't even get the envelope. You can't touch it.

• 46:48Shawn Ryan?

  You can't touch it?

• 46:49Sean Webb?

  They say, they've got a stack of envelopes up front. And then they say, okay, you're, and then not, and not everybody gets the same one. They say, your name, and then they give you a reference number out of their stack of envelopes is up at the front. And so you get a letter and a number, or just sometimes a number, or just sometimes a couple of letters, or whatever it is, and that's it. That's all you get. And then you start to, you start to close your eyes and you start to envision, what are you getting from a hearing sensation, a taste sensation? What, just what is it that your mind is giving you at that moment? And you try to record it on the piece of paper. And that's it. That's all they give you is just a reference number.

• 47:28Shawn Ryan?

  Without any of these technologies, this is, this is bare bones?

• 47:34Sean Webb?

  Yeah.

• 47:34Shawn Ryan?

  No frequency work, nothing?

• 47:36Sean Webb?

  Yeah. Because they start with just a blind read, and then they start to implement the, the technology of the, the signals in the headphones and stuff like that, just so you can see the difference, see how it improves your ability to, to view and your results, et cetera. But from go, they just give you a number and they say, start drawing.

• 47:53Shawn Ryan?

  So walk me through this process. What?

• 47:57Sean Webb?

  So.

• 47:57Shawn Ryan?

  You get, you get your reference number?

• 47:58Sean Webb?

  Yep. You get your reference number, and then you're supposed to quiet your mind and see if you can clear whatever's going on in your mind for a moment, the thoughts. And then you look for, show me the target that's associated with B43, or whatever your reference number was. And then your mind starts to do whatever it does. And whatever it gives you, you try to record that, and you try to remain on your target. Like, you don't think about lunch tomorrow, you don't think about conversation you had with somebody earlier in the day, you don't think about, um, you know, whatever it is that your mind wants to go to, you're focusing on the target. You want the information about the target. If your mind starts to wander, you just say, target.

• 48:41Sean Webb?

  And whatever your mind gives you, that's the remote viewing. And sometimes you'll hit it, sometimes you won't, but you draw whatever it is that your mind gives you.

• 48:50Shawn Ryan?

  So what was your mind giving you?

• 48:52Sean Webb?

  My first remote viewing ever, which convinced me that it was real. I was in, uh...

• 49:01Sean Webb?

  My check unit doing my drawing, and this is a little place of a little cubby hole that you go and sit so you can be by yourself and focus on your own thoughts, so no sounds distract you, etc. No light comes in if you don't want it. I flashed in front of my... Well, my mind flashed in front of my vision with my eyes closed. The idea of like a round spider web is the best thing that I could... And your brain will equate some things to be as close as... Like whatever it shows you, it'll be close to, but maybe not exactly what it was. So I just saw like a spider web, and I saw multiple lines going out from the center.

• 49:42Sean Webb?

  And I saw multiple lines connecting the lines that were going out, so it kinda looked like a spider web. But then in the middle, there was a big blotch of opaque material, whatever it was, I don't know. So basically, I drew like a spider web with a big old dot in the middle of it, scribble, scribble, scribble. And that's all that I got. So, we go back down after the... Doing our drawings, to the room where they handed us our target. And the first target, everybody does the same, because they have it on a slide that they're gonna show. So you come in there and you... They say, "Okay, you're gonna be remote viewing," and they gave you a reference number.

• 50:27Sean Webb?

  But everybody gets the same reference number, you go off and you draw whatever it was. And then they show you, everyone, in the next slide, what it is. And the next slide that they showed was... And they have a standard database that they pull from. These are images that are used for testing remote viewing, and they're all randomly selected usually. So, um, no one can cheat, no one knows what's gonna come up, you know, that type of thing. But this one is the first one they gave us, so they had it on the slide. And the next thing that they showed us was a white background with black pen illustration of an old Ferris wheel.

• 51:06Sean Webb?

  From the 1920s that had a number of lines going out from the center. And where the lines got too thick for the pen, the lines converged. There was a huge black dot where the pen lines all just kind of merged together into a bunch of ink. And I looked down at this spider web with this black dot in the middle of it. And it wasn't exactly because I drew a spider web because that's what was presented to me in my mind. But it was a goddamn circle with a bunch of connecting lines and a big dot in the middle of it, just like the frame was.

• 51:41Shawn Ryan?

  What was, uh, I mean, what are you, what's going through your head at this point?

• 51:45Sean Webb?

  Holy shit.

• 51:49Sean Webb?

  That's, I mean, I'm freaking, I'm freaking out like, I'm like, you know, I'm going, I go to a remote viewing at Monroe. And I'm like, you know, I, first of all, I don't expect to be able to do anything at all.

• 52:01Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 52:02Sean Webb?

  Cause I've never done it before. Um, I don't know what happens here. I don't know anything about remote viewing. I'm just up here basically to meet this amazing guy. And, um, so I'm not expecting anything. I don't know what I'm doing. Um, I've never done this before. I don't even know if it's real. Uh, because, you know, I mean, who knows? Could this whole Joe McGonigal thing be a complete disinformation campaign to try to lead foreign intelligence down the wrong road? And you have them waste time on psychics and all this other stuff going through my mind?

• 52:36Sean Webb?

  And then I drew 80 to 90% of the first image.

• 52:43Sean Webb?

  First try out of the gate.

• 52:47Sean Webb?

  And I thought that was interesting. And then maybe that was just a lucky guess. And what happened after that, all throughout the week, is that I kept getting first place results.

• 53:03Sean Webb?

  Viewing after viewing after viewing. And again, this is the same process that they use where you get a randomized reference number that's unique to you. You go and you draw whatever you get. And then you're handing it to another person who's a judge, who has to then take four images, random images and say, okay, you're drawing best matches this thing. And I kept putting out imaging, I kept putting out drawings that would match the right one. Because only one of the distractors on the paper would be the actual target. And they would have to say, this matches, because they didn't know which one it was, this matches this image. And that was the target. Time after time. And I was just like, that's crazy. And this is real.

• 53:45Sean Webb?

  What are these? One, how long did it take you to come up with the spider web? Almost immediately. It was the first thing that flashed in my, when I closed my eyes, that spider web kind of like out of the darkness flashed in a white light in front of my face. And that's it? That was it. That was, that was, and then you drew it and that's it? Yeah, well, it kept, it kept flashing, like I kept, I kept, because I was doubting it. Like, I was like, bullshit, this isn't, it's not a spider web. You're like, alright, fuck it, I'm just gonna draw this spider web. Yeah, basically. Like total disbelief. It wouldn't go away. It kept flashing in front of my face. I tried to draw up other stuff, which is a whole nother process that you're not supposed to do, which I didn't

• 54:29Sean Webb?

  know, but he taught us later. He's like, don't do that, don't do this, you know, don't put any meaning to it. Don't put an analytical overlay that you think this is an apple or whatever. Just do, just take the basic information that you're given. Because, you know, the, the shape, although it might look an apple to you, might be something else. So don't draw an apple if it kind of looks like an apple, but it's two separated, uh, Cs that are opposite, that kind of looks like an apple to you. Don't draw an apple. Just draw what you see, the two opposite Cs, because it might be something else. So, uh, yeah, I just, I tried to push it out and it wouldn't go away. And I was like, alright, well, this is wrong, whatever. Doesn't really matter. I didn't come up here to succeed. I came up here to meet this guy.

• 55:12Sean Webb?

  And, um, and then it turned out to be right. And I was just...

• 55:18Sean Webb?

  I've blown away.

• 55:19Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, you obviously impressed the Monroe Institute.

• 55:24Sean Webb?

  Yeah, well, I mean, I did good remote viewing, but a lot of people do good remote viewing. You might be surprised. Joe will tell you right off the bat, everyone has this capability. It's whether or not you use it. And the thing that people call the sixth sense, he says, is the first sense. Like, that's the way we grew out of the bush and developed and evolved. That sixth sense was the first sense that could keep you out of danger and keep you surviving in the wild. Like, when you knew that there was a big cat in that bush, or whatever it was that was gonna kill you, and you stayed away from it and you survived. He says that's the first sense.

• 56:03Sean Webb?

  That's how he survived 14 years in a 20-month life expectancy position in intelligence. Is that he just followed his hunches. He followed his gut. He told us a story the other day. It was amazing. He went out, at the end of his career, he was sent out to do a drop with a Russian agent. And he was sent along with a guy who was administrator inside intelligence, but had never done any field work. And they got to Greece where they were going, and the guy had made a reservation down at the beach at a really nice resort, and he goes, "We can't go there. That place is gonna be bombed." And they went on, and the guy screwed up the operation, and Joe wound up getting the drop because he identified the guy and cut the drop.

• 56:46Sean Webb?

  And then they came, were about to get ready to leave for the airport to go fly back, and a bomb went off in that hotel, the reservations. Right? So that kind of stuff, we're wired into as human beings.

• 57:00Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 57:01Sean Webb?

  Because it's part of consciousness. It's what helps bring consciousness into our bodies. A larger field of conscious energy that you can reach out into and sense other things that are outside your body and outside space and time, like into the future, which is how he was able to predict the coming down of the Skylab.

• 57:17Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, the bomb story, I can relate to in my 14 years of...

• 57:24Shawn Ryan?

  Operations within, you know, the different SEAL teams, the agency, all that. I mean, there is a feeling, you know, that you do get when things are about to happen. And so I can understand that.

• 57:43Sean Webb?

  Yeah.

• 57:44Shawn Ryan?

  Somewhat.

• 57:45Sean Webb?

  Yeah.

• 57:45Shawn Ryan?

  But.

• 57:46Sean Webb?

  Well, he says everybody's tagged into this. Like, everybody's connected into it. It's whether or not you use it and whether or not you exercise it, where you can actually get better at it or not. And so, you know, you go through this week and you get a little more confidence and you get a little bit more trusting in the process. And all of a sudden, most of the class is nailing their assignments in remote viewing.

• 58:09Shawn Ryan?

  No kidding.

• 58:10Sean Webb?

  I mean, it's amazing.

• 58:11Shawn Ryan?

  I was actually, that was a question of mine. I wanted to know how many people were in your group roughly?

• 58:16Sean Webb?

  Yeah, roughly about 20. And I'd say about 14 or 15 of them were nailing first class or first, uh, first place results most of the time.

• 58:26Shawn Ryan?

  Are you serious?

• 58:26Sean Webb?

  Yeah. Yeah. There was a bunch of seconds and a bunch of thirds where people, you know, and even Joe misses sometime, other world-class remote viewers, sometimes you're on target, sometimes you're off. I mean, it's, you're not nailing it all the time. And that was prevalent in the class. Like, I had a couple of things that I missed on, uh, that were different exercises. But even when I was asked to drop into the body of a, like, they have a remote viewing that's a medical nature, um, where you're supposed to guess the medical condition of a reference number again. They just give you a number. And they said, drop into this person's body and what's going on?

• 59:09Sean Webb?

  And I was like, I had a feeling, I was just like, there's pain here, there's pain here. To me, that's kind of a right, right knee replacement, like where they cut the leg and put a knee in. There's all kinds of pain here and it's like glowing and whatnot. I was like, I don't know, right knee replacement. Nailed it. How the hell did I do that?

• 59:32Sean Webb?

  I don't know. I mean, you're reaching out into consciousness and touching on a reference number from an individual who's a real individual. They've agreed to be a target that somebody can, you know, guess what I have, guess my ailment. And it's not the only thing I came up with because I like, she's had her appendix out. She's on medication for high cholesterol, which is messing with her liver. She needs to get her liver checked. I came up with a whole laundry list of stuff because I don't even know what they're talking about. But I was like, there's a right knee replacement. And they looked and they were like, that's right.

• 1:00:08Shawn Ryan?

  Were you worried about all of it?

• 1:00:10Sean Webb?

  No, I didn't know about all of it. They, but the target was their result that they were looking for was right knee replacement.

• 1:00:16Shawn Ryan?

  So what did that visualization look like?

• 1:00:18Sean Webb?

  It was more of a feeling.

• 1:00:19Shawn Ryan?

  It was an intuition?

• 1:00:20Sean Webb?

  Yeah, it was like, I, I said, okay, target. And I just started feeling around my own body of what was going on. And I'm in good health. I don't have any health problems at all. So, but that's what I felt. I was like,

• 1:00:32Shawn Ryan?

  You felt your knee?

• 1:00:33Sean Webb?

  Yeah, I felt the knee. I felt the pain here and here, like above and below the knee. And I was like, well, that means they're probably replacing the knee. It's not just their hurt knee. They're probably going through an operation to replace the knee. But then I also felt stuff in my liver. I felt like my cholesterol was high when I don't have high cholesterol personally. I felt like my appendix is gone, right side. And my appendix is still in me. So I don't even have a scar or whatever. But I was, I don't know if it was all correct, but I got the one thing that was correct that they were looking for.

• 1:01:10Shawn Ryan?

  Why do, earlier you had mentioned they put you in a room where it's shielded from, from, did you say radio signal or radio waves?

• 1:01:19Sean Webb?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:19Shawn Ryan?

  Why is that?

• 1:01:21Sean Webb?

  Just to have control over the potential for signals to come in and out of the room to give you information. Like they want to remove all potential for any,

• 1:01:36Sean Webb?

  You know, interference or

• 1:01:40Shawn Ryan?

  External frequency, would that, would that manipulate the meditation?

• 1:01:47Sean Webb?

  I don't know the, the science behind whether or what frequencies might interfere with a viewing, but I know that they want to make sure that there's no signals coming in to where you'd have a gadget or something that could communicate information to you about a target. Like, they want to have strict scientific controls to make sure that the data they're getting, because they're still studying this stuff right now. They're still studying the science of remote viewing and the ability to look out through consciousness. And they want to just make sure that there are no outside interferences, that they maintain a complete separation between the remote viewer and the target. For instance, if they're practicing, you know, target identification. And some of that stuff is amazing, where the remote viewer will say,

• 1:02:32Sean Webb?

  "Okay, this person's standing in this certain office of this certain building. Here's the complex, here are the other buildings around it, yada, yada, yada", and they nail the whole thing. They want to make sure that there's no way to get any information in through radio signals or collusion of, of people trying to scam the system or whatever. They want to make sure that they have those controls all the time so they can rely on the data that they're getting.

• 1:03:00Sean Webb?

  It's amazing stuff.

• 1:03:01Shawn Ryan?

  It is. Let's take a quick break, and when we come back, let's get into some of the technology when they started implementing that. Next, on the Sean Ryan Show.

• 1:03:12Shawn Ryan?

  Most of what we're talking about is actually in the present. What is this diagnosis that's happening? What is the pain this woman's feeling in me? But also, remote viewing is also looking into the future.

• 1:03:23Sean Webb?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:28Sean Webb?

  It started with a study that was done on what's called priming. The primer flashed after your decision, altered the timing in which you could select the word choice, in the same way that it did when you put it before.

• 1:03:46Shawn Ryan?

  I'm always looking for the scientific explanation on why that happens, why I'm able to tap into, I guess I would call it, a higher consciousness.

• 1:04:01Speaker 04

  Theta is a state where a lot of creativity occurs in theta. It's great for ideas, word pictures, and things like that. The crossover state between this type of consciousness and the consciousness of Delta Speed.