#78 Tim Burchett - Inside UFO/UAP Government Programs | Part 1

This week on SRS, we welcome Tennessee Congressman Tim Burchett to the show. Burchett is one of the few congressmen that is actively pursuing the uncovering of UAP / UFO phenomena, regardless of how much flak it may bring. Burchett put together the first hearing for Congress to seriously evaluate UAP / UFO reports in 50 years. Part one of this episode explores the origins of the newfound push to explain and investigate these occurrences. Shawn Ryan Show Sponsors: https://lairdsuperfood.com - USE CODE "SRS" https://moinkbox.com/shawn https://goldco.com/ryan | 855-936-GOLD #goldcopartner Tim Burchett Links: https://twitter.com/reptimburchett https://www.instagram.com/reptimburchett Please leave us a review on Apple & Spotify Podcasts. Vigilance Elite/Shawn Ryan Links: Website | Patreon | TikTok | Instagram | Download Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 1:00Shawn Ryan?

  It used to be that the UFO/UAP topic was strictly a forbidden subject matter, right? In fact, if you spoke of it, you would likely become the laughing stock of the day. Well, since then, the topic has gained a lot of relevancy. It's gaining a lot of traction, and rightly so. In fact, just a few months ago was the first-ever congressional hearing in the United States on UFOs and UAPs. And since then, Mexico has had a conference on it, or a hearing. NASA has had a hearing on it.

• 1:45Shawn Ryan?

  And so, we brought in Tennessee Congressman Tim Burchett, the man that, with a few of his colleagues, was able to set that hearing up here in the US. And so, we're here to dissect that hearing, talk about some of the government programs that he knows about, that has a little bit of knowledge of, and talk about how we're going to achieve full disclosure from both our government and the military-industrial complex companies. Ladies and gentlemen... Please like, comment, and subscribe to the channel. Hit that bell on the bottom there to get notified. Head over to Apple and Spotify, leave us a review, and, most of you already know this,

• 2:28Shawn Ryan?

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• 3:13Shawn Ryan?

  Congressman Tim Burchett, welcome to the show.

• 3:16Tim Burchett?

  Appreciate, appreciate, just call me Tim.

• 3:18Shawn Ryan?

  All right, we'll call you Tim from here on out.

• 3:20Tim Burchett?

  Right on.

• 3:21Shawn Ryan?

  For starters, I just wanted to say thank you to you and your staff for getting me into the whistleblower. The first ever congressional hearing on UFO, UAP stuff, couple of months back. That was really eye-opening, and it was nice to see our government talking about it. And I hope it, is it gonna happen again?

• 3:43Tim Burchett?

  Yeah, and thank your boy Eli Crane, because he's the one who told me about you and stuff, and, and, and so that, and my staff is wonderful, by the way. Yeah, I went to McCarthy, went to Speaker, we wrote a letter, myself, Luna, and Jared Moskowitz, they're all out of Florida. Gates wrote the letter, and it said, "We wanted a select committee." And a select committee would allow us a little more power, and...

• 4:17Tim Burchett?

  And I went to see Kevin McCarthy about it first week back after the August recess. And he said, um, that in fact, no, we would not get a select committee. We would, but he would give me another hearing. He said, this stuff's really popular. And I was so I said, why, why didn't we get a hearing? And why can't we have select committee? I was, and I didn't think we were going to get it. Um, because nobody wants to turn over power to anything up there. And he said, uh, well, uh, the intelligence committee had, you know, we'd stepped on some toes and intelligence community, I believe, too. And, um, and so, but we could have another committee meeting, committee hearing,

• 4:59Tim Burchett?

  or whatever you want to call it. So, yeah, we're going to have one very similar to the last one. We just have to change the focus. I, I wanted the, um, granted, I was not, I was not able to chair the committee, but I was steering the committee, if you know what I mean.

• 5:16Shawn Ryan?

  I know what you mean. I mean, it was per, it was.

• 5:20Tim Burchett?

  I mean, it was my deal. I was, our deal, you know, we got myself and Luna and Moskowitz and, and, uh, Matt Gates and the rest of us, we'd sort of formulated this idea way back and, and, you know, and pushed it together and tried to get a date and locked them down and just kept hammering them. And then, of course, the UFO community, it's, it's freaking worldwide, man. I, I, I do every weekend. I'm always on, I try not to turn anybody down. I do a lot of these podcasts and stuff overseas and England. I mean, I do them from Knoxville, Tennessee. I don't travel much, as you could imagine. Um, but, uh, um, but yeah, it's, it's huge. And people all over the country contacted the speaker's office, apparently, and the other members.

• 6:02Tim Burchett?

  And then, lo and behold, we got that first, that first one. And then now they want to do another. So I'll take it as a win.

• 6:09Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, definitely, definitely. What was the, what was the conversations that sparked this whole thing within Congress?

• 6:18Tim Burchett?

  It all started with TMZ.

• 6:21Shawn Ryan?

  It started with TMZ.

• 6:23Tim Burchett?

  You know who they are, right?

• 6:24Shawn Ryan?

  I know who they are.

• 6:25Tim Burchett?

  Well, their cameraman's a buddy of mine's and he's a, we're good buddies. And I took him to lunch the other day as a matter of fact, and he, um, um, he'll sometimes grab me for a quick quote or something on something off the wall, you know? And I'd, and I'd followed this UFO report. I knew what it was gonna be and I knew, I knew it'd just be a redacted piece of garbage. Wouldn't be anything to look like somebody shot it with a 12 gauge, you know, it'd just be all these spots and words and nothing put together.

• 6:55Tim Burchett?

  And so, uh, um, he, um, um, the reporter says to me from TMZ, say, hey, you heard about this UFO report? You know, it's just kind of random spot, you know? I said, yeah, I said, it's, um, I said, and I said, more people believe in UFOs than believe in Congress. And he laughed and that turned out to be my quote and I ended up putting it on a T-shirt that I sell on my dad gum website, which is kind of funny, but, but then all of a sudden I start getting, and I said, it's just gonna be redacted, it'll be garbage. And, and sure enough, that's what it was, cause they said, oh, we're gonna release all this stuff and they ain't gonna release anything. You know, they won't even release the Kennedy assassination files and Kennedy's been dead over 60 years. There's nobody alive that's even mentioned in those reports, but it's, it's power, it's

• 7:39Tim Burchett?

  control, it's money, it's, that's Washington DC, so.

• 7:43Shawn Ryan?

  Why do you think they're holding on to the, cause from what I understand, that, that report was supposed to be released by 2017. Mike Pompeo was director of CIA, if I remember correctly.

• 7:54Tim Burchett?

  I know Pompeo.

• 7:55Shawn Ryan?

  Why do you think they're holding on to those?

• 8:00Tim Burchett?

  Power, control, money, all those things. I think it's, um, you know, they, they, they put this out occasionally and I'm, I'm, I'm a Christian, I try to be a Christian, I'm not a very good one, but they always say, you know, it's gonna wreck religious, you know, the religious belief system. Doesn't wreck it for me, I, you know.

• 8:18Shawn Ryan?

  They're already wrecking it anyways.

• 8:19Tim Burchett?

  Well, the first chapter of Genesis, God created the heavens and the earth, the heavens and the earth. You go to Ezekiel, Ezekiel saw the wheel. He talks about a wheel, um, a wheel within a wheel, which you would, that, describe what a traditional UFO would be today if you were, you know, the saucer thing, but back then, the most, um, the most technologically advanced piece of equipment we had was a wheel. So he's equating this.

• 8:47Tim Burchett?

  Thing and they'll say, well, it's a vision. It's this, it's that. But you look at any, any civilization and you know, going hieroglyphics, going to the pyramids, Aztecs, everybody, the Hindus, everybody has these craft in their history that they talk about. And that, and that was way before Al Gore invented the internet. So, you know, there's no connection there.

• 9:09Shawn Ryan?

  So, hold on, you're saying that there is, so I'm, you don't know this about me, but I'm a new Christian.

• 9:17Tim Burchett?

  Okay.

• 9:17Shawn Ryan?

  And so, I'm, I am just now digging in.

• 9:20Tim Burchett?

  Welcome to the club.

• 9:21Shawn Ryan?

  Thank you. It's good to be here. So, this, the Bible, I've started the New Testament.

• 9:25Tim Burchett?

  Yeah.

• 9:25Shawn Ryan?

  I have not dug into the old. So, you're saying that you

• 9:28Tim Burchett?

  First chapter of Ezekiel. Go back and read it and it, you'll think you're on acid or something. It's, it's a little, but, but if you read it and, and realize too, it's the King James translation. So, King James, you know, he, he translated it from Aramaic, I believe. So, I believe is what it was. I think that's right. I'm sure somebody's going to correct me on that, but I'm, I'm not a biblical philosopher. I just read it. And, and so, yeah, it's in there and it talks about a visitor coming down. It describes a craft. It describes the, the landing gear. I think it talks about them in some translations

• 10:10Tim Burchett?

  like, like hooed feet. So, you'd think, you know, a traditional pad that came, comes out, you know, like you've seen in the science fiction movies and stuff. But, but yeah, it's in there and it's in all, every religion has it. And, but, you know, and I, I say this all the time and it drives people crazy because I repeat myself a lot, but every night, my dad, come to dogs, Buzz, Charlie and Roscoe. They won't go to the bathroom at nine o'clock at night. They got to get up at 4:30 in the morning. So, I got, and they're scratching at the doors, trying to get out. So, I take them and I go outside. I look at those stars in, in the sky and those stars, the light left those stars, some of those stars before the time of Christ. I mean, that is the vastness of God's great

• 10:54Tim Burchett?

  universe. And honestly, do you think we're the best that God can do?

• 10:59Shawn Ryan?

  No.

• 11:00Tim Burchett?

  No. So, I just, we're very imperfect and, and I'm not worried about them. They don't scare me or anything because with that technology, if they could travel at whatever they travel at, or however they travel, it's beyond my comprehension, but they would have done us in a long time ago if they wanted to.

• 11:19Shawn Ryan?

  So you believe in this 100%, zero doubts?

• 11:22Tim Burchett?

  I believe in the Bible.

• 11:24Shawn Ryan?

  Do you, do you get a lot of flak within Congress for approaching this subject?

• 11:30Tim Burchett?

  I do, and it's, and I suspect some of the friends on, some people on my side, they always use it against me when they try to run somebody against me, but, but I've talked to so many members that are pretty high-profile members, brother, and that pulled me off to the side and said, "Man, I believe in these things. I want to tell you something that happened to me when I was in the military, or when I was a kid out in the field somewhere, or I was, you know, let me tell you what my wife told me, you know, that she saw, or my husband, or whatever." Very many members, and they don't want to come testify because they don't want the heat, and I don't care. I really don't. You know, they're not gonna,

• 12:12Tim Burchett?

  that's not even on the list of my worries right now. I just think, I think the government needs to be transparent.

• 12:19Shawn Ryan?

  Me too. And we'll get into all this. Everybody that comes on the show gets a gift. So, this is your gift, Congressman.

• 12:29Tim Burchett?

  Thank you. I have to make sure it's legal.

• 12:32Shawn Ryan?

  It is, you know.

• 12:33Tim Burchett?

  You've checked it. Okay, okay.

• 12:34Shawn Ryan?

  It's, it's legal. So, that, so we're real big on mental health here.

• 12:39Tim Burchett?

  I am too.

• 12:39Shawn Ryan?

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• 13:01Tim Burchett?

  Appreciate that, brother. Some of my closest friends are suffering from mental issues in Tennessee. One in five Tennesseans, either you or you know, somebody. And if you don't know somebody, you probably do, you just don't know it.

• 13:15Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 13:16Tim Burchett?

  I've dealt with, I've passed a lot of legislation in Tennessee on funding for taking care of folks. It's a, you know, you, you cut your hand and nobody thinks anything about going to the emergency room. Something going on inside your head, you know, there's this stigma attached and we can, and there's things out there, I think we can do to, to fix it. And we gotta, and one of the things we do to fix it is remove the stigma.

• 13:38Shawn Ryan?

  Yep, I'm with you a hundred percent. But moving on, so let me give you a quick introduction. Once again, Congressman Tim Burchett, Burchett, Congressman of Tennessee, District Two. Since 2019, you started in local politics. You're the mayor of Knox County, Tennessee.

• 13:57Tim Burchett?

  For eight years.

• 13:58Shawn Ryan?

  You're Southern Baptist, got into state politics and now you're at the federal level, obviously in Congress since 2019. And you were the catalyst behind the first ever UAP UFO congressional hearing, which is what we're dying to dig into today. So I wanted to get you right after the hearing, but I know you're, you're a busy guy.

• 14:19Tim Burchett?

  I apologize.

• 14:19Shawn Ryan?

  Couldn't make it happen. No, I honestly, I think it's better that we waited a little bit because more things have developed.

• 14:25Tim Burchett?

  Let the dust settle, sure.

• 14:26Shawn Ryan?

  And so, but kind of diving in, just right off the bat, I'm, we talked about this in your office after the committee or after the hearing in DC. And I've been, I'm new at the UFO, UAP, Zero Point Energy.

• 14:46Tim Burchett?

  Yeah.

• 14:47Shawn Ryan?

  Uh, uh, genre as well. And I've been really trying to dive in. And one thing that I've noticed in this subject matter is that, and you vocalized it perfectly in your office, but it seems like there are a couple of resident experts on the subject, but none of these experts talk to each other. It's very compartmentalized and it's, it is, at least for me, it is extremely hard to figure out.

• 15:21Shawn Ryan?

  Who is actually a resident expert? Who just says they are? And, and another thing is, why aren't these experts talking to each other? If the common goal here is disclosure, which it seems everybody's beaten to the same drum here. They want disclosure, they want disclosure, they want disclosure. But none of these guys are talking to each other. How do we know who? Who's the real deal? Who isn't? Or maybe they're all the real deal and they just? How are you guys deciphering who? The real resident experts are?

• 15:57Tim Burchett?

  That's tough. That's why I don't, you know, jump on the first train that comes down the tracks. I feel like there's some false flags. I feel like some people have briefed me on stuff that's not accurate, but they think it's accurate.

• 16:11Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 16:11Tim Burchett?

  So they take an oath, up to their knowledge, it's real. And I think it is further discredit the UFO community and the people that are out there. I really do. I think that the, you know, I don't trust government. I don't trust, and that's, you know, I've been in it my whole life and I don't trust it. And, uh, cause it's, uh, there's a group of folks that inherently, they're power hungry and they're evil. And they don't, they don't share yours and my values. And whatever that is, you know, and, and you can talk about the compartmentalization of this stuff. And how do you keep something like that secret?

• 16:54Tim Burchett?

  Well, I'm in, I live in Knoxville, Tennessee. And I back up to Oak Ridge National Laboratory. And there are 6,000 people that work at Oak Ridge that live in my district that I represent. But Oak Ridge is not in my district. But Oak Ridge is where they developed the atomic bomb.

• 17:10Shawn Ryan?

  Is it?

• 17:10Tim Burchett?

  Yes, sir. And so, um, well, one of them anyway. So I can't remember if it's fat boy or little man, but anyway, it doesn't matter.

• 17:23Tim Burchett?

  I was, I knock on doors. That's how I got elected. Because people like Tim Burchett don't usually get elected to Congress, dude. They don't have, I don't have any, any rec, any great record. I was not a sports star or anything. Captain of the 1982 Bearden High School football team, but we went five and five. You might have heard of me.

• 17:41Tim Burchett?

  I was slow, but I couldn't catch. But, um, so I knock on doors. I knock on thousands of doors. And, uh, I used to say, if you want to be Burchett, you better just break his legs. Because that's, that's the way I do. And I was knocking on this old guy's door as an old man, older man. And he was, he's putting his flag out. When I came by, it was a Saturday morning. And I was talking to him, I said, "You a veteran?" And he said, "No." And he was kinda, a little embarrassed. And I, yeah, I didn't push it. And I said, he said, "I worked at Oak Ridge during the war." And I said, "Really?" And he said, "Yeah." And I said, "Well," I said, "I," and I, and I hugged him. I said, "Listen, brother." I said, "If it wasn't for you," I said, "my dad was on Okinawa. They were getting ready to invade mainland Japan."

• 18:26Tim Burchett?

  Because First Marine Division would have spearheaded it in there. And I said, you know, Truman said there'd been a million casualties. I mean, the kids were sharpening sticks. It was gonna be brutal. That island fighting and, you know, backed them up into their own homeland. They had the, the, um, suicide subs and the kamikages, and they were loaded up. Well, we dropped the bomb. And Dad ended up, he had to go to China after the war and fought the communists for a short while. And then, um, but my point was, he, he said, you know, "I, I, I worked on the bomb." When I was there. He said, "I worked on a fuse." And he said, and he said, "Oddly enough, my wife," I was, I didn't, I wasn't married to her at the time.

• 19:09Tim Burchett?

  She worked down the hall and she worked on a, um, a fuse mechanism. And he said, "And we never knew what each of us did." You got a couple of thousand people maybe working at Oak Ridge National Laboratory. Maybe, maybe less than a handful knew that it was for the atomic bomb, knew what they were doing. That's what compartmentalization's all about. Nowadays, everybody's got a dad gum cellphone, everybody's gonna do a book deal or something. It's not quite like that. So you have to, so my, my theory on, and premise on this is, the people that knew, like forty-seven, Roswell, the people that knew, they compartmentalized it, it's a different America then. Well, a lot of those people are dead, so there's a complete disconnect after it's been handed

• 19:52Tim Burchett?

  off to this department or this department, and now it's in corporate, in some corporate vault somewhere that has a quasi-governmental relationship. So, that we can't get to through FOIA. So, um, I think, and I know that's a long way to explain it, but, but that's, that's, that's why they keep this stuff secret, that's how they keep this stuff secret. Now, it's either one of two things, either they're, they, they've got, they're breaking the technology out, and that's why we're seeing some advances now, or they've got it, and they realize that the power brokers in this world will no longer be in the oil business, they will no longer be in, they'll have to get out and get an honest job like the rest of us.

• 20:34Tim Burchett?

  Well, Congress isn't necessarily an honest job, but you get my point. So, um, I think it's kind of multifaceted, it can go a lot of different directions. But two, you know, I ride motorcycles, as I told you, and I got an old Harley Sport here, it's my dad's, it's eighty-four, it's the newest bike I have, and I'm sentimentally attached to it, I won't get rid of it. But, um, but if I took that Harley and took it to the people on the Mayflower, gassed it up, loaded it up, got it all ready, took it back in time, that's basically what would happen with a UFO. It would see this bright shiny object, they might be able to roll it, you know, one day they might get it started, but they're not gonna know how to change the plugs, they're

• 21:16Tim Burchett?

  not gonna be able to adjust the carburetors, they won't have the technology to make gasoline to run it, they, you know, they won't know how to put air in the tires. And that's sort of like what we're at, I think, with this stuff, if we've, where we have it and who has it. I just think the technology, part of it is, they can't get to it, and some of it, they've got and are not sharing.

• 21:35Shawn Ryan?

  Interesting, interesting. How did you, how many, how many of those whistleblowers did you guys have?

• 21:43Tim Burchett?

  I'd say we probably, I don't know, I had a list of them, but you know, we Pentagon, one, one person confided in us that they'd gotten a call from the Pentagon and they decided not to come. And one of them was loosely attached to some group with NASA and they were going to do their own thing, which we had a meeting with them this week, which was bogus. And, and to now government, now you gotta realize government, Chuck Schumer's coming out with a bill on the NDAA, the National Defense Author reauthorization Act, that will say that, you know, and all the UFO people are going crazy. This is the greatest thing in the world. They're going to create this entity within government, within the Pentagon,

• 22:22Tim Burchett?

  that anything to do with UFOs goes to them and they decide if it gets out. So, and guess what? If it's a national defense issue, or if it's a government security issue or whatever, they won't release it. Well, guess what? All of it is. They're never going to release. That just puts another layer. All I'm saying is, brother, I can handle it. You can handle it. Put it out there. Let us see it. Let us see it. Because I've seen some stuff that defies any kind of logic, any kind of science that we have now.

• 22:54Shawn Ryan?

  Like what? What have you seen? You've, you've personally seen it?

• 22:57Tim Burchett?

  I've, I've, I've seen the, the videos, of course. I mean, not, not in the air. Everything I've seen has been definable. And when I was a kid, I remember I saw a, I live in Knoxville, we got an airport there and we got airport space and a jet was taking off. And I remember I was just like, looking at the tail section of it and it was, and to me, it just looked, you know, there's a saucer, you know, it was at night, kind of freaked me out. But then as, and I, I looked into it and I thought, well, that guy, I'm looking at the back end of a jet. So I've never seen anything. But that doesn't mean it. I've never seen God, but that doesn't stop me from believing in him either.

• 23:34Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah. Well, there was a, correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe there was a window where there was, there could be no repercussions for somebody blowing the whistle on this stuff.

• 23:43Tim Burchett?

  And that's bogus. I think that's bogus.

• 23:46Shawn Ryan?

  If that window is closed now, correct?

• 23:48Tim Burchett?

  Yeah. Well, they were allowed to do it. I think they still can, but I don't believe any of it. It's like my, my pilots have told me, um,

• 23:58Tim Burchett?

  They've told me that, you know, here's what happens. You spot something, I report it. I'm pulled off the flight line, and I might be getting some terminology, so I'm not, you're a military guy, so if I am, correct me. You're pulled off the flight line. They are debriefed, but it turns out, they said they were interrogated for eight hours. They get this on the record. They get made fun of and they get, you know, and I literally had a pilot tell me that they've destroyed video evidence because they don't want to have to go through all that.

• 24:31Shawn Ryan?

  Wouldn't surprise me.

• 24:34Tim Burchett?

  And what are these guys, literally, and the ones that come forward, I mean, all they're going to get is abuse. I mean, look at David Grush. Have you faced any retaliation or reprivals for any of your testimony or anything on these lines?

• 24:48Speaker 04

  Yeah, I have to be careful what I say in detail because there is an open whistleblower reprisal investigation on my behalf, and I don't want to compromise that investigation by providing anything that may help provide somebody information. But it was very brutal and very unfortunate, some of the tactics they used to hurt me both professionally and personally, to be quite frank.

• 25:13Tim Burchett?

  It's very unfortunate, as they say, when you're off the target, that's when they do the most firing at you. Do you have any personal knowledge of people who've been harmed or injured in efforts to cover up or conceal these extraterrestrial technology?

• 25:26Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 25:29Speaker 04

  Personally.

• 25:30Tim Burchett?

  Have you heard, had anyone been murdered that you would, that you know of or have heard of, I guess?

• 25:36Speaker 04

  I have to be careful asking that question. I directed people with that knowledge to the appropriate authorities.

• 25:41Tim Burchett?

  Maybe in a, if we could get it, get in a confidential area, SCIF, we could talk about that. But unfortunately, we were denied access to the SCIF, and that's very unfortunate in this, in this scenario. They made fun of him. They leaked he had PTSD, and they did it legally. What happened was somebody, he had gotten into some dispute, and it was maybe a domestic issue, I'm not sure. And, but they got it all worked out, but they...

• 26:13Tim Burchett?

  There was a police report in some little town somewhere. So, somebody in the intelligence community found out about it. They waited till after his testimony, see what he said. And he brought out all this stuff that we've talked about for years. And I've talked to people in and out and around the intelligence community about it. And they, you know, they brought this thing out and then it was a police report. Cause you can't release medical records because of HIPAA. And so they bring this out and then, you know, he's got PTSD. Now, let me tell you something, only in Washington DC. Can you, can you be critical of somebody for PTSD?

• 26:58Tim Burchett?

  Because brother, that doesn't fly here in Tennessee.

• 27:00Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 27:01Tim Burchett?

  I mean, we, we celebrate veterans, at least in, in East Tennessee, we do, my hometown, we do. And, you know, this, it's just, to me, it's beyond belief, the way, what they've done.

• 27:11Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, you know, I, I remember when that came out, I, I made a comment saying, well, if you're gonna discredit somebody for PTSD, then you can no longer credit any policeman, any firefighters, any first responders, any woman that's been raped.

• 27:27Tim Burchett?

  My daddy.

• 27:28Shawn Ryan?

  Child that's been raped, any veteran, anybody.

• 27:31Tim Burchett?

  Yeah.

• 27:31Shawn Ryan?

  It just goes out the window.

• 27:32Tim Burchett?

  And that, and that alone is the reason why we should have been able, had that select committee. Cause he was a whistleblower and, and, and he was, tried to publicly shame him.

• 27:45Shawn Ryan?

  Well, part of the hearing was about government intimidation. And I can't remember if it was you or another congressman that, that asked, you know, has anybody been murdered for, for, for blowing the whistleblower coming forward on this stuff?

• 27:59Tim Burchett?

  I think it was Mace, I think it was Mace, yeah.

• 28:01Shawn Ryan?

  But, but, and then.

• 28:06Shawn Ryan?

  Sure as shit. What, a month, maybe a couple of weeks after, they start, they start the PTSD.

• 28:13Tim Burchett?

  You know, I knew it was gonna happen, and that tells you we're right over the target.

• 28:17Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 28:18Tim Burchett?

  And it blew up in their face. I kept thinking, it's like Brer Rabbit, man. Don't throw me in that briar patch, and they sure as hell did.

• 28:25Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 28:25Tim Burchett?

  And they, they pulled back a nub. But, you know, we were warned about Grush by one of our staffers. You know, you've got.

• 28:32Shawn Ryan?

  What was the warning?

• 28:33Tim Burchett?

  Uh, you know, that he's not a legitimate thing, and, you know, you need to, and that's, you know, everybody is compromised in Washington, brother. We're compromised. The Russians used to use what's called honey pots, you know, they'd, you'd travel somewhere and some attractive person, man or female or whatever, you know, they used to do it a lot with, with gay folks because they could intend, because back the stigma of being a homosexual, and now there's no stigma attached to it. But they would set them up, they'd film it, and then, you know, you're getting ready to make a key vote, somebody comes, hey, man, I heard about you in that motel room on, you know, whatever, and they go, what? And he said, yeah, I said, man, we don't need that to get out. Oh, man, I don't want that out. They're ruining my family. That's okay, man. We just

• 29:15Tim Burchett?

  need your vote on this. Oh, you got it. You got it. You know, and that's, that's how they own your ass. And, um, and they do it through jobs, they do it through, you know, trips, you know, it doesn't have to be sexual in nature.

• 29:31Shawn Ryan?

  It's just traps.

• 29:32Tim Burchett?

  It's just traps, yeah. And, um, you know, as I say, no man's an island. And they figure out, they analyze you, they know what they got. And these, and these staffers are, they are the swamp, some of them are. They run too much of it, and we allow it.

• 29:50Shawn Ryan?

  We all see it. Well, I guess I don't, shouldn't say we all see it, but a lot of us see it. But, um, back to the, back to the whistleblowers. I would imagine that just within that window where it was okay to come out and, and, and bring information forward on the UIP stuff, I would imagine you guys had thousands of whistleblowers that wanted to appear in front of Congress.

• 30:14Tim Burchett?

  I don't know the numbers, but I, it, it's a day to day occurrence.

• 30:18Shawn Ryan?

  How did you, how did you?

• 30:22Shawn Ryan?

  How did you and the rest of the team that you had assembled, how did you guys decide on which three you wanted?

• 30:30Tim Burchett?

  It wasn't, you know, we've cast a pretty broad net and, you know, we probably, I don't know, 15 or 20 targets that I knew of that would be good in certain areas. And then they just kept whittling it down and I didn't want 15 or 20. I didn't want a cattle call because it's not, you know, it's not conducive to the issue. I wanted people with firsthand knowledge is what I wanted and military to me is the ticket.

• 30:57Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 30:58Tim Burchett?

  And I knew if they discredited Grush, we had these two pilots. They got nothing, why would they want to endanger their, the reputation of their career? I mean, you know, by coming out with this. They have no ulterior motives. And, um, and so, you know, a little prodding and they came forward and they, and they told a great story. Mr. Graves, again, I'd like to know, um, how do you know that these were not our aircraft?

• 31:28Speaker 05

  Some of the behaviors that we saw in a working area, we would see these objects being at 0.0 Mach, that's zero airspeed over a certain pieces of the ground. So what that means, just like a river, if you throw a bobber in, it's going to float downstream. These objects were staying completely stationary in category four hurricane winds. These same objects would then accelerate to supersonic speeds, 1.1, 1.2 Mach. And they would do so in very erratic and quick behaviors that we don't, I don't have an explanation for.

• 31:58Tim Burchett?

  Okay. Have you spoken to, um, commercial and military pilots, um, that have seen these off of our east coast?

• 32:05Speaker 05

  I have.

• 32:06Tim Burchett?

  Okay. So just, just say Grush wasn't even there. Two military pilots, best in the world, best trained, best aircraft, everything. Sworn testimony, swear to God, and they, and before Congress, and that, that they had chased a craft. And it was, and they all said, this is nothing that we have is not, and it's not our, and I've said this, everybody says, well, it's probably Russia, it's probably China. I mean, you're a military guy. If Russia had that, would they be bogged down in, in Ukraine? And if China had that, would they, they'd own us, more than they do now.

• 32:49Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 32:50Tim Burchett?

  And so, there, there's no, the only other alternative is, it's something we've reversed engineer, which means it's something we've recovered and are flying it around in, in our military space, or it's something from outer space. Either way, either way, it's something from outer space.

• 33:06Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, I don't, I don't think that there is any way that any other country is more technologically advanced than we are. I mean, we invented electricity, we invented the light bulb, we invented the internet, we invented the phone, we invented the nuclear bomb. What else did we invent? We, I mean, all the, we invented Ford.

• 33:28Tim Burchett?

  Invented you, invented me. I'm sort of a detractor, but, you know, that's another thing.

• 33:33Shawn Ryan?

  The automobile.

• 33:33Tim Burchett?

  When you, when you said that, how technologically advanced, it reminds me of the first hearing that they had when I was there of the intelligence committee, which was open to the public. It's kind of, intelligence committee is kind of like a little fraternity. They keep stuff within and it's supposed to be secret and stuff and all that. So, they opened this thing up, they're gonna have this big UFO, UAP hearing. I'm the only congressman that shows up. They bring in these two guys from the Pentagon, and honestly, I don't think they could spell UFO. They didn't have a clue, and that goes back to my compartmentalization. They were telling the truth as far as they knew it. They were asked several questions about well-documented UFO incidents. One of them was a case where UFOs were spotted

• 34:14Tim Burchett?

  and a nuclear reactor literally shut down. And it's a documented case that these things were spotted in the same period of time in this country. So, we were asked about it, they asked about, they didn't have a clue, they didn't have a clue. And I remembered, they showed this video, which is, which was...

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• 35:35Tim Burchett?

  The worst video they could have shown. It was, I think it was one of these crazy aluminum balloons, you know, that fly, that, you know, not aluminum, but they look metallic, you know? They have a metallic surface to them because when they hit electrical wire, they'll, they'll short it. But it was up at high speeds. And this pilot was filming it with his cellphone. You know, not his cameras, but his cellphone. As he's flying by at some crazy speed. And you couldn't tell if, honestly, if it was the, if it was the, a shadow inside of the canopy of the airplane or this other object. I couldn't, we couldn't, and then I remember of all,

• 36:20Tim Burchett?

  I remember it was asked, Adam Schiff, of all people, asked the best question. Said, "What exactly am I looking at?" And said, can you slow that thing down? And it was a 20 second film, most technologically advanced country in the world. And they couldn't slow it down. Isabel Burchett, my little girl, could have slowed that damn video down. And they, but they couldn't slow it down to show us. And they didn't know what they were even looking at. And you've got the Tic Tac videos, not Tic Talk like the Chinese Communist Tic Tac like the candy. And they had one of the pilots that was involved in it in the audience. And he was not even allowed to come testify.

• 36:55Shawn Ryan?

  What?

• 36:56Tim Burchett?

  So, yeah. So he had gotten in with press credentials. Cause I'm talking to the guy out there. And so, you know, and, and I walked by the press and I was told, another thing, I told I was gonna get to ask a question. And I'm still amazed at this. And I'm easing towards the thing and I get a text from one of the guys on the member, on the Republicans. Hey, Burchett, you know, sorry, you know, you're not, you're not gonna be able to ask a question. Cause I was gonna rip them a new one. Cause I knew a little bit more about this than, they weren't paying attention. They didn't care. They were just doing it to check a box. Say, yeah, we're looking into it, you know? And I had one of the members say, you know, we got more important things to do than this. I said, more important than a $60 million aircraft, which you stated, we've had 14 near miss incidents

• 37:41Tim Burchett?

  with the best trained pilots in the world. And we don't know what the hell it is in our own airspace? So I walked by the press and they said, what'd you think about this Congressman? And they were all kinda joking about it. And I go, we got hosed. Boom. They turned on me. Not turned on me, you know, they, they turned to me. And I did, and I talked about what, what, what just happened and how you all got took and this whole deal. And then it, then it exploded.

• 38:07Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 38:08Tim Burchett?

  So, right place at the right time.

• 38:10Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 38:13Shawn Ryan?

  You know, with the, I would like, I'll give you the option. Do you want to unpack the hearing last? Or do you want to unpack?

• 38:21Tim Burchett?

  I don't care, brother. Whatever's easiest to you. I'd do it all.

• 38:26Tim Burchett?

  I've relived it up.

• 38:27Shawn Ryan?

  Well, you are super knowledgeable on a lot of the events that happened. So I'm gonna have you unpack them for the audience, cause we don't know everything. And, uh, let's talk about Roswell and what happened there.

• 38:39Tim Burchett?

  All right. 1947, Roswell, New Mexico. You gotta remember, America, it was not the Air Force, it's the Army Air Corps. And that's important, cause I'm gonna tell you something that happened to me later in life, dealing with that.

• 38:55Tim Burchett?

  A farmer, there was a loud explosion. And later the next day, a farmer was out in a, I'm just paraphrasing all this, some of this might not be. He found some material. He found what he had said was, it was a, what we'd call a traditional flying saucer. But flying saucer was a, was a terminology that had been, wasn't quite the terminology, you know. He reported it. The military came in, Army Air Corps at Roswell, and they put out, military intelligence put out a press release, said saucer recovered. Headlines, boom, across the country.

• 39:38Tim Burchett?

  Then the next day, they, they came in and said, oh, it wasn't a flying saucer. It was a hot air balloon. And they bring this poor Colonel out and he's showing, there's famous pictures of him showing it's clearly a couple of, some, some kind of balloon apparatus. So, military intelligence went from a flying saucer to a pile of cloth and sticks in one, in 24 hours. And the American public believed it, because that's what we were trained to do. We believe our military and we believed the press back then. And, so it gets kind of, it, it covered up and there's talk of bodies and craft and everything.

• 40:20Tim Burchett?

  And, and then, in a chance conversation later, some people were talking about it and the military, and then it, then it all just came out, you know, the, the, some of them had, had gotten some of this material and literally they said you could crinkle it up, and I've heard this in other instances, and you could throw it down on a table and it would come back out to its original shape. There was, some of the sticks had hieroglyphics, they said, it was a purple hewn to it, I think. Well, the United States Air Force comes out, and I remember it was called Roswell, case closed, is what they called it. And they had this fat second lieutenant, he was a smart aleck, and they gave a press conference and they said, no, it was a hot air balloon.

• 41:04Tim Burchett?

  And, and they said, what about the little people that they found? Well, Three years later, or four years later, we did some experiments with dummies. We parachuted dummies down, little, small dummies. And we think that people just sort of carried this over a course of four or five years, and they put this all together into this one story. And that's what they put out. And I remember my dad, and I talk a lot about my mom and daddy, but I'm not, God gives us all gifts, I think. And one gift that my dad had that I have is the gift of perception. And I said, "What'd you think, Daddy?" We watched that press conference on TV. It was early days of cable. And Dad said, "That guy was a smart aleck."

• 41:49Tim Burchett?

  And I said, "And he didn't know what he was talking about." And my dad wasn't a UFO guy or anything. Well, I have a truck and trailer business years later. And I was in the state legislature. It's part-time in Tennessee. And I was putting a guy's trailer hitch on. I remember he had a Jeep, and he was sitting in my shop with me. And I looked at his tags that said "New Mexico." I said, "New Mexico." I said, "You ever heard of Roswell?" And he goes, "Yeah." My dad was in the old, it was in the Army Air Corps. It didn't say Air Force. He said the Air Corps. So I said, "Really?" I said, and I remember I was putting that thing on, I thought, I mean, I was just like, and so I said, "Well, tell me, you heard it, did you ever, did he ever talk about that UFO thing?" He said, "Yeah."

• 42:34Tim Burchett?

  As a matter of fact, he did. He said, and it said, "We always thought there was a mid-air collision." And there was two. And, and so, but in Roswell, you'll hear about this, I've pieced this together, they, we used a different kind of radio. It was electromagnetic something. We just started experimenting with it. And apparently, these, allegedly, these craft, if you hear of, there's always the use of this type of, whatever it is, I'm not the scientist, but it, you know, apparently it has some effect on these things. And, and so, we've, and there was another crash somewhere else in the world on the same day, another alleged craft recovery. So.

• 43:20Tim Burchett?

  Roswell, New Mexico, covered up. I believe that was one of the first ones that we've. But there's been documentation. There was one a turn of the century, an aircraft, it talked about an aircraft down in Texas, which was before you would see an airplane in the early, it was either 1907 or early teens where aircraft were not that common. And there's been others, but that was the one that everybody kind of hangs on. And I'm sure there's others that have been covered up. But I feel like that, I mean, that's, that's what I think.

• 43:52Shawn Ryan?

  Do you think that?

• 43:54Tim Burchett?

  But I think it's been so compartmentalized, we'll never know the real story on that.

• 43:57Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, those bodies are said to be in a, if I remember correctly, a blue room in Wright-Patterson Airport space?

• 44:07Tim Burchett?

  Wright-Patt, yeah. And I would say, and, you know, and I, you know, Speaker McCarthy said to me one day, he said, hey, man, I'm getting ready to get a Codel, maybe to Area 51. Would you like to go? And I said, yeah, I'll go. I said, you're not going to go down there to see any aliens. And I said, you're not going to see anything else. And he said, yeah, what do you mean? I said, it's just a tourist trap now. I mean, you know, Congress is going to call and we're going to go down there and they're going to open up some vault and show us something? Get real. You know, I mean, it's arrogance and stupidity, I guess, of, of not of, not of the speaker, but of just, you know, to think that this group,

• 44:45Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 44:45Tim Burchett?

  they operate, dude, they stay.

• 44:47Shawn Ryan?

  Very naive.

• 44:48Tim Burchett?

  I had a, there was an old lobbyist in Nashville, and I always remember his name's Tom Hensley, he's the golden goose. He's since passed away. He's a dear friend of mine. He was the, he was the liquor lobbyist. And I never voted for his bills, but he always loved me. Cause he was, had a dear friend from Knoxville, a guy named Pat Scruggs, a liquor distributor, and told Tom to be my buddy. So he was my buddy. And, and I remember him sitting there at the Crown Plaza one night, and some young hot shot with the governor's office was running his mouth and saying, well, you know, we're going to do this, we're going to do that. And he, I remember he had his little. Fancy bottle of Jack, glass of Jack Daniels, smoking this old cigar, big old cigar. And he drank it and the guy walks off and he said, "Birch it."

• 45:31Tim Burchett?

  He said, "Governors come and go, but the old goose will be sitting right here." And that's the way, that's the way these guys are, man. They're sitting, they're gonna be sitting there and they're gonna be running this thing. Congressman come and go and it just keeps, you know, and, and, and the more, the longer it takes, the deeper it gets and the more compartmentalized it gets. So my other theory on this is the people that are analyzing these things don't know what they're analyzing.

• 45:59Shawn Ryan?

  How so?

• 46:00Tim Burchett?

  They don't know that they're, they're craft or they don't know it's foreign. They just know it's something that they're, they're analyzing. They're analyzing a piece of metal. They're analyzing a mechanical apparatus. They don't know if it's from an aircraft. They don't know if it's from a submarine. They're not, they're not, they don't have to know. They just know they can't talk about it.

• 46:18Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 46:21Shawn Ryan?

  Hal, it seems like a lot of things started happening right around 1947. And a lot of people believe that the Germans had some type of advanced technology. Um, let's, let's get into Project Blue Book.

• 46:34Tim Burchett?

  Okay.

• 46:35Shawn Ryan?

  What is Project Blue Book?

• 46:36Tim Burchett?

  Project Blue Book was, um, by the Air Force and they analyzed, um, it was official government program and they went around and, and interviewed and analyzed, um, um, UFO sightings and things like that. And they've, um, and they were, it's pretty inconclusive. I mean, there's a couple of guys driving around interviewing folks. There's one right up here in Kentucky, um, that happened, um, there was, uh, the little people of Kentucky, um, um, Hopkinsville, I think you can read about it. But there's all these things they analyzed and stuff and, and they really, um, they didn't come with any conclusions.

• 47:18Tim Burchett?

  And a lot of people think it was a lot of, um, false flags to stuff that was put out there to, um, and they were, they were meant to never find anything.

• 47:28Shawn Ryan?

  You think that was, it was, it was a?

• 47:31Tim Burchett?

  I think the people that knew, yeah, let's send them out there on this thing. We're not, they're not gonna show them anything. We've already got it all wrapped up.

• 47:38Shawn Ryan?

  So it was a cover?

• 47:40Tim Burchett?

  I think, but I think the people involved in it were genuinely concerned. We're genuinely concerned. And I just don't. You have a government that's told us since at least since 47, these things don't exist. But now they're telling us they exist and they want your money. That's the other thing. They want our money. They want, they want government, the Pentagon, NASA, everybody's going to want money to study these things. In the Pentagon report, I think it's 56 pages, read the first paragraph and said, we're going to use, you know, I think, use the word robust, you know, I don't have robust resources or whatever to study these things. It's all about money.

• 48:17Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 48:18Tim Burchett?

  It's just, it's taken from you and me to keep them in power.

• 48:23Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, they're definitely very, the government's definitely very interested in it. I mean, are you, do you know who Brandon Fugel is by chance, owner of Skinwalker Ranch?

• 48:33Tim Burchett?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I, yeah, I know all about, I know all about that. Sure.

• 48:37Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, they have, they have what they believe is government intimidation happening. They keep flying Blackhawks and, and CH47s over the property. They found out one of the members on the scientific team, Travis Taylor, is a plant from the Pentagon who is on the UAP, UFO, I can't remember what program. Do you know anything about that stuff?

• 49:02Tim Burchett?

  Yeah.

• 49:03Shawn Ryan?

  What do you know about it?

• 49:05Tim Burchett?

  Well, see, that, that's where I go back. I just don't trust anybody in this thing. I mean, I, I just, I just want to get, get it all out there and then let's decide. I was, um, so I, I get a call from somebody and, and they want to come talk to me in the office. And I was like, well, that's cool. Okay, whatever. You know, we'll set it up and they come in and, and I recognize some of the folks and there's, there's.

• 49:35Tim Burchett?

  More than one there and I get introduced to everybody and I said, well, who's that back there? And they said, he's not here. And I said, okay. So I don't know, you know, that, that, that got me a little, and, and sometimes these guys won't come in the building to see me. So I don't know if it's a, you know, if they're government entities that, you know, that are trying to, you know, um, X file me, you know, claiming, you know, they're gonna give me a bunch of garbage and so that I'll come out with it and discredit me. That's why I just, you know, I just put it, I don't care. I'll tell you everything that I know, mostly, that I can tell you. And then, um, you know, and so it's just, um,

• 50:20Tim Burchett?

  to me, it's a Who are these people? Okay, well, uh, back to the, wait, but hang on, say the skinwalker thing. So they said, there's some people like to come see you. And I said, okay. And I, I don't watch all these TV shows. I just, I just don't. I just don't. Cause I don't, cause it's just, it's just a rabbit hole. It's like, you know, going down this, we're gonna, we're gonna find it. This next week, we're gonna do this, you know, and then next week it's, you know, um, it's like the Oak Island mystery, you know? It's like the most watched show on History Channel, but they, every year it's like, get there and then, ah, we'll see y'all next year, you know? It's, it's like who shot JR? And so, it's showing my age. But,

• 51:02Tim Burchett?

  um, so I get it. They said, these guys wanted to come see me. And I said, well, that'd be great. I said, just tell them, come on up to the office. No, they don't want to come to the office. Was this the skinwalker crowd? Okay. So, see, you blew my deal there. I was gonna spring it on you. So you go, wow. So I'm at my house. It's a Saturday and, um,

• 51:26Tim Burchett?

  They come in, they, they, they, I hit the gate button, they're inside and they get out and I look at them and I go, that guy, that's the guys from that TV show. And they came in and I gave them all a Dr. Pepper and we watched some stuff and we talked about some stuff, but you know, I, there's a lot of competition within the UFO community too. A lot of people selling books, a lot of people have podcasts and there's, so there's, and there's a lot of animosity between the groups. And my, I see my job not as taking sides. Mm-hmm. Cause I don't, you know, I don't, I don't know what the truth is really on all of it. I just want to, I know there's something else out there and I know that some of it's

• 52:08Tim Burchett?

  a diversion, some of it's a false flag, but some of it, you know, a guy I've known most of my adult life told me about an incident that happened to him in the Navy. He saw me on the, he saw me on the, um, one of the UFO shows or something and he called me. And, um, he told me about an incident, this, this thing flew over him on a, they were on a, um, let's see, what's a tin can? You're the Navy guys, had the destroyer? Oh, I never spent any time on a ship. Okay, well, good. Okay, well, anyway, anyway, they were out and I believe a, uh, Mediterranean and, um,

• 52:48Tim Burchett?

  and a, uh, this thing just flew over the top of them, just out, it did, it was big as a, he said, remember he said, I swear to you, it was, it was two blocks wide if it was a foot. And he said it was a, so they saw it coming in and, you know, it had the dome on the top and it was saucer shaped and he said it just stayed above them, no noise and they just stood there and looked at it. And it just took off like that, no noise. And then they were just like, what the heck was that, you know? And then they, they get back in port and here comes the guys in the suits.

• 53:27Tim Burchett?

  Tell them this is a national security issue, you're not to talk about this, you'll go to the federal penitentiary. He'll see you down at Leavenworth for the rest of your dad gum lives. And they said, this is, and we mean it, don't talk about this to anybody.

• 53:41Shawn Ryan?

  Wow.

• 53:42Tim Burchett?

  And here it happened in the 50s. And, you know, and the guy that called me, and he's since called me back again. And he told me the same story. I mean, it was identical. Everything he said was identical. You know, he reminded me of my mama. You ask her what time it was, she'd tell you how to make the clock, you know, before she'd give you the time. And it was that kind of, it was that kind of detail. He told me the weather, what was going on around him, where he was standing, you know, just everything. It was just too specific. And again, you know, you can see all this, this footage of all these different things. Why would he lie to me?

• 54:18Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 54:19Tim Burchett?

  Why would Gordon Cooper, Gordo Cooper, one of the most famous astronauts, Apollo astronauts of all time, he describes an incident where you said Wright Patterson. They filmed, you can watch the videos, and he describes it. He said, they're sitting there and they're, they filmed it. A craft comes in, a saucer, landing gear comes out, it does, and I'm not sure if anybody got out of it, I'm not sure what, I can't remember all of it, but, and then landing gear goes up, it takes off. And I'm like, just what the hell was that? And they filmed it, sent it to Wright Pat, they called the next day, and they said, we don't know what you're talking about. Now, this guy, I mean, you know, the original Apollo astronauts, I mean, they're heroes. I mean, those guys, everybody knew who they were.

• 55:03Tim Burchett?

  Everybody, I mean, they had trading cards, they gave them Corvettes, you know, he could have walked in any sizzling steakhouse in the world and they'd have bought him the best steak in the house. You go into any bar, everybody buy him a beer, you know? I mean, this guy, Gordo Cooper, man, he was in the right stuff. I mean, they talked about, I mean, he was portrayed in it. But, you know, I can, all this, these photos and stuff, but when a guy like that says something.

• 55:27Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 55:28Tim Burchett?

  To me, that, that means it.

• 55:30Shawn Ryan?

  What's, um, you've met, I'm fairly certain you've met everybody I know within the UFO UAP crowd. What, what kind of stuff were you talking about with the skim walker?

• 55:44Tim Burchett?

  And they had some footage and they talked about, and I'd ask them where they thought it came from and, and the different, and one of them said some things to me I was a little, I wasn't skeptical of it was just, you know, it was, and I wouldn't even call it on the fringe, but I hear it talked about and I didn't, I don't really put much into all that.

• 56:06Shawn Ryan?

  What was it?

• 56:07Tim Burchett?

  Uh, just, you know, the grays, the, you know, the, the different, different aliens and things and they were talking about where they possibly came from and, and, um.

• 56:18Shawn Ryan?

  Where do they think they came from?

• 56:19Tim Burchett?

  Uh, there was a solar system outside of ours and I can't even remember the name of it now, but again, that doesn't, that doesn't really fit into my thing. If we've got, I'd, show me the dad gum footage and then we'll, we'll, we'll figure out that from there because there's no way you're talking about something that's traveled light years to get here. I just, you know, that's beyond my comprehension.

• 56:46Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 56:47Tim Burchett?

  And there's people that think that they think themselves there. They're so far advanced that they can think themselves there. And, you know, I don't, I'm not critical of anybody's beliefs on that stuff because it doesn't, it doesn't affect what I think is my job as a congressman is to get the facts out there. Just get, show the footage. If you've got bodies, show it to us. If you've got the saucers, show us the dad gum saucers. I want, I'd like, I think the American public needs to see that stuff.

• 57:14Shawn Ryan?

  What is, what do they gain out of making contact with you and, and, and, I mean, we just kind of went over what they're talking to you about, but what is, what's the point? Why are they coming to?

• 57:26Tim Burchett?

  I think that, that I can get it out and that's what I worry about. Somebody within one of these government agencies trying to discredit me by giving me false information. Cause we get, I'd say, I dare say I've had hundreds of calls from people and people will send me photos of, you know, I can't see anything in it and some of them, some look fairly legit, but it could be AI generated. I don't know. And, um. You know, and somebody will say, look at my YouTube video of this and that and me talking about this, you know, I just don't have time. I just, I mean, I'm a congressman, I've got constituent, I got VA issues, I've got dog barking issues, you know, I've got everything. I mean, it's, it's, you know, I have nearly about eight counties, seven and a sliver

• 58:10Tim Burchett?

  off of one, you know, I represent a lot of people and there's a lot of issues and I, so I have to deal with all that. And I've got, people have been very kind to send me nice books about UFOs, stuff they've written, their encounters, you know, and I just, and I, I try to glance through them and put them on, and I've, I've got a collection of them now.

• 58:27Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 58:27Tim Burchett?

  And they all have real nice inscriptions, apparently that I've, somebody, I won't say my stature, but somebody in Congress would actually talk about this has validated them, I think in some ways, and I think that's cool. If I could provide somebody a little hope. And more than half the population believes something else out there, I'd say that's probably a lot more than that, even that, in the polls show, just because people don't trust polls and they're afraid to answer them.

• 58:52Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah. I mean, who else have you met with? I believe you met with Dr. Stephen Greer as well.

• 58:58Tim Burchett?

  I know Stephen pretty well. He came over and, um, he sent me a nice book, which I have looked at. Um, had dinner with him one, one day. He's jacked, he's, he's pretty muscular guy. Um, Luis Elzondo, whatever, I can't even say his name.

• 59:16Shawn Ryan?

  What did you, what did Stephen Greer want to talk to you about?

• 59:20Tim Burchett?

  Just, um, about how the, um, he's involved with, um, this is what he tells me, that some military outfits that are going in and going to get some of these craft, get them out. And, um, more or less. And, um, you know, I, I don't know, I don't know, civilians are messing with special ops, I don't know, I mean, their operators, I don't know what else is going on with that. But he talked to me a little bit about that and, um, and some other things. And, uh,

• 1:00:01Shawn Ryan?

  What is it that he wants you to do with that information?

• 1:00:05Tim Burchett?

  I don't know, other than just to know it and just share it maybe and to say that it's it's real, but he has a different, you know. Everybody has a different belief in this thing. Yeah. And there again, I don't. I just believe something else is out there. I'm not, I don't, I don't get into all that. I don't, I don't condemn them for it. I don't, you know, I've got buddies of mine that are Jewish. I've got buddies of mine that are Hindu. I've got some Muslim friends, you know, I don't, I don't condemn them. Maybe not believe it, because I'm a Christian, but I don't, I don't condemn them for it. I don't think it's my job to do that or stand in judgment, but I, I usually just, honestly, I just contain it.

• 1:00:47Tim Burchett?

  I just put it in my head and then, um. Because really, all I see my, my job as a congressman is just to be transparent, just to get it out there. Yeah. And by doing so, I think I validate a lot of people, because a lot of these folks get abused about this stuff and they're afraid to say anything about it. Mm hmm. You know, I walked on elevator, I walked on airplanes and I walked by first class. I remember this dude was sitting there and he was pretty well put together. You could tell that, that, you know, I'm sitting in the middle of my wardrobe right now. You could tell that guy, he was, he was dressed pretty well and, uh, and he was sitting there and he was, had to, he was kind of confident. You can kind of re dig the vibe, what they're up to, I can, when somebody, and he says,

• 1:01:32Tim Burchett?

  uh, he's congressman. I go, yes, sir. You know, about that UAP issue, it was early on. I thought he was going to give me one of those, don't we have anything better to do? Or don't you, you know, and honestly, honestly, it's in the purview. I didn't choose this issue. It kind of chose me, you know? Kevin McCarthy came to me and said, I said something to him about it and he came to me and said, look, it's your baby, or, you know, that's what Chairman Comer said. And so, walking by this cat, he's about that UAP issue. And I thought, well, here it comes. And he said, really appreciate you looking into that. And I go, really? He said, yeah. He said, uh. Said, have you, have you ever had some sort of encounter? He goes, yeah, I have. I said, I can't explain it.

• 1:02:17Tim Burchett?

  I said, all right, thank you. And I get that a lot. I get that a lot. It used to be when I was, um, I used to kind of be the, in Tennessee, I would, I was, I went in the patron saint, I don't know what you call it, but mental health was my issue and I brought it up everywhere, everywhere I went. And I always knew after it was over with, there's always the person you never suspected. Say, hey, my kid's got an issue with this, or my wife does, or my husband does, or I do, or whatever, and I appreciate you bringing it up. Now it's the same way with, with the UFO issue or UAP. Wow. And it's, um, you know, I can walk through a mall and people cut up and make fun of it and they'll say something. I've had congressmen say something, hey, Bertrand, are you gonna fly off on a UFO or something smart? They look like that and I just laugh, you know, I don't care.

• 1:03:02Tim Burchett?

  And I'm walking and then they'll circle around and go, hey, man, I was just kidding about that. I, and when I was a kid, one time I was standing out in the middle of a field and this thing came over me and I said, I swear to you, I, I, you know, I still to this day. I mean, I've had multiple congresspeople tell me this. Wow. And I've had civic leaders and it's from all over and people will call me from all over the country. And they're same as you or me, military, a lot of military people. Um, had a guy tell me one time he was on a fishing boat and it kind of reminded me that he described the craft as the same, similar as the one that I was talking to. He said this, and he described where he was.

• 1:03:44Tim Burchett?

  I think he was out on the Gulf Coast and a lot of activities seemed to be Gulf Coast centered.

• 1:03:51Tim Burchett?

  Near Eglin and all that down there. So he, he said they were fishing and he described the boat, you know, and that they were going after and him and his buddy and they were, he was in the air force at the time and they were off duty or whatever. And, um, and they, and they saw this craft just fly over him. He said, you know, and when he was describing it, I could, I could, you know, my mind's eye pictured it. And then, and it just, it didn't make a noise. And then they, and then they heard just and he described whatever F-16, you know, cause he was a pilot and he said it was two F-16s or whatever chasing it. And they, and he remember he said, you know, I sort of thought, I said, that thing, those F-16s are about, you know, 100, I mean, he's described

• 1:04:34Tim Burchett?

  that they were very, uh, miniscule in size compared to this thing. And this thing, and then it just took off. And it didn't make a noise. And then those gestures were just still just, you know, and, you know, he kinda, he said after it was over, if he thought about it, he sort of laughed internally. Cause he's like, what the heck are they gonna do to that thing?

• 1:04:52Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:52Tim Burchett?

  And so, you know, this is a guy called me and, um, this was actually, and this actual incident was written up in a, it's called, uh, one of these UFO groups, written it up as one of their, one of their top sightings of the decade or something. This was way back, I think maybe in the seventies or something that this occurred. But, you know, it's just every day, brother. Every day. I can't, I try to return all my calls and people call me, but it's almost un, I, I just can't, I can't, I can't, I just got too many of those.

• 1:05:26Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah. I can't imagine the amount of, uh, I can't imagine you have the band want to go through all of that. But, um, Lou Elizondo, who's somebody I've tried to get on here numerous times. And, uh, it's like, I don't think it's gonna happen. But what did, what did he want to talk to you about?

• 1:05:44Tim Burchett?

  Just about.

• 1:05:46Shawn Ryan?

  Cause this guy's supposedly very.

• 1:05:49Tim Burchett?

  He was on the inside. They claimed they didn't have this organization. And yet he was on the, he was, he was that organization. Eleven million dollars, I think, funded, I believe at that time. Um, that funded, it was a senator out of Nevada, Democrat. Um, and he was part of the Skinwalker Ranch thing too, the research there, federal government did there. Um, and he headed up that department. And they said, you know, basically it doesn't exist. And then sure enough, there he was. He was running it. And again, you know, the, the tail, the tail doesn't know what the, the rest of the, the body's doing, you know? And it's just, uh, and that's, that's government. That's compartmentalized government. That's, it's just too big.

• 1:06:33Shawn Ryan?

  So what did, what did he want to talk to you about?

• 1:06:37Tim Burchett?

  I think Lou, he's, he's a dear friend, actually.

• 1:06:40Shawn Ryan?

  Is he?

• 1:06:41Tim Burchett?

  Yes, he is. He, um,

• 1:06:44Tim Burchett?

  We stay in contact pretty regular, not telepathically. But he, I think he just wanted to encourage me. He just said, you know, you're, you're on the right path on this thing, dude. You're, you're, you know, and, and I, and I've talked to him periodically about ideas I've had and people, if I think that they are legit or these stories and, you know, I say, I sort of got this feeling on this one here. And I don't know that I trust Lou because he was with the government, but I do, as much as I trust any of these cats, but he's, he's not, he has not lied to me yet. He's not steered me wrong. And, you know, he's, he's the real deal.

• 1:07:26Tim Burchett?

  And, you know, he was kept, as a lot of them are, he was probably, I don't know that he was, I don't know, he put his hands on anything physically, but he probably kept at arm's length that, you know, when he would get close, they would move it or do something else. Yeah. Have you met with Chris Mellon? Chris Mellon is the, what is, what's his title?

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• 1:08:24Tim Burchett?

  He's another, he's another prominent figure. Yeah, yeah, I know who he is. As a matter of fact, I'd like to get him for the committee, actually. I know, I know, I know who he is. Sure I do. Yeah. And, and there's several others, but again, I'm allowed, I think they're going to give me one more committee meeting, which tells me the bogus nature of this thing. Yeah. You know, they, you're going to get us close and then they're going to, they're going to move the target or whatever. And then Jeremy Corbell and George Knapp, who were... George Knapp is one of those guys that I've, ever since I was a kid, I've, I've known, because he, he did the Lazar thing. He's the guy that broke Area 51, really. He's the guy that said that it existed and the government said it didn't, again.

• 1:09:08Tim Burchett?

  And then, sure, lo and behold, it existed. And, you know, you want to go there now. You know, I mean, you could, I guess, you know, they'll, they'll probably kill you if you cross over, but it's probably because they're testing our secret aircraft over there, you know, U2 type stuff and

• 1:09:23Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:23Tim Burchett?

  I don't, um, but yeah, he's a, I, I, I, I like him.

• 1:09:32Shawn Ryan?

  Well, if you don't mind me asking, who, is there anybody in particular that you think is a government disinformation agent?

• 1:09:40Tim Burchett?

  I'll just leave it at probably somebody you've mentioned in this conversation.

• 1:09:45Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 1:09:46Tim Burchett?

  And the problem is they don't know it. That's, that's, that's the, that's the key to this whole thing because they

• 1:09:52Shawn Ryan?

  How would they not know it?

• 1:09:54Tim Burchett?

  Because they're shown things that are false.

• 1:09:58Tim Burchett?

  Or there are people, they've brought people to them that are false, or something's created.

• 1:10:05Tim Burchett?

  Because all they gotta do is put a bug in somebody's ear and then they're, the government's getting another billion dollars to study some crazy project somewhere.

• 1:10:14Shawn Ryan?

  Interesting.

• 1:10:15Tim Burchett?

  Does that make sense?

• 1:10:16Shawn Ryan?

  It does. So it's, so the disinformation agent, well, it does and it doesn't. So the disinformation agent is there to one discredit somebody.

• 1:10:26Tim Burchett?

  Just get people off track and to bring in more money. Just to keep the, just to keep the fire lit enough, you know, just get you salivating enough to where you're, you're asking a lot of questions, folks like myself. But I don't want any more money. I don't want the government to get, I don't, the government doesn't need it enough. They need to go back, cut billions of dollars, trillions actually, but that's a sudden point.

• 1:10:54Shawn Ryan?

  So if they're discrediting somebody, how would that make more, how would that, how would that open people's chat?

• 1:11:00Tim Burchett?

  Well, if somebody getting close to the real issue, they'll discredit them. Other people, they'll let them go down the rabbit hole so they can get the money.

• 1:11:09Shawn Ryan?

  Gotcha, gotcha. So it's either one or the other.

• 1:11:12Tim Burchett?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:14Shawn Ryan?

  Who do you think?

• 1:11:17Shawn Ryan?

  In your opinion, you don't have to say it because I know you talked to all of these people. Who is the most, who has given you the most legitimate information?

• 1:11:29Tim Burchett?

  They all have. They've all given me a piece of something that's, that's real.

• 1:11:34Shawn Ryan?

  Okay. All right. All right. I won't pry anymore with that. But, um.

• 1:11:42Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah. So let's go on to.

• 1:11:44Tim Burchett?

  You're trying to get somebody to come knock on my door, aren't you?

• 1:11:48Shawn Ryan?

  I'm trying to, I'm trying to figure out.

• 1:11:51Tim Burchett?

  I don't care. They know who I am. I mean, you know, it's not like, I mean, I'm the 435th most powerful member of Congress. It's funny. I got a call from somebody and I won't say who it is. But they were pretty prominent in the Trump administration. It was on a Saturday and I was sitting on my couch. And, uh, my buddy was there and he said, who the heck is that? And I showed him and he's like, holy cow. On my phone, he said, and he said, hey, you know, you kicked a hornet's nest on this thing, don't you? I said, yes, sir. I, I said, I guess I have. And he goes, you know, you really ought to think about getting some bodies around you when you're out.

• 1:12:30Shawn Ryan?

  No kidding.

• 1:12:32Tim Burchett?

  Do what?

• 1:12:32Shawn Ryan?

  I said, no kidding.

• 1:12:33Tim Burchett?

  No kidding. And I, I told him, I said.

• 1:12:39Tim Burchett?

  I said, well. I said, uh, you know, I'm in East Tennessee. You know, if you're not armed, somebody besides you's got two on you, on them. So I said, and he, he said, no, I'm serious, you know, and I. And I, I take that kind of stuff serious. I've spent a lot, a lot of money on, on home security and, and keeping my family safe and those things. So it's, um. You know, and I think about that and I think about. The disinformation, you know, people getting killed in Washington and they claim they're, um. They claim they're mugged or whatever and they're still got their watch and their wallet on them and things like that and the police report and nobody investigates.

• 1:13:20Tim Burchett?

  Find a bag of cocaine in the White House and then, uh, and the only spot in the White House where there's no camera and, and they say there's DNA, but it was not enough, which to me is either, it's like you're either pregnant or you're not pregnant.

• 1:13:36Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:36Tim Burchett?

  DNA or no DNA.

• 1:13:38Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:39Tim Burchett?

  And nobody asked the questions and it's just brushed off.

• 1:13:42Shawn Ryan?

  Of course. Of course. But, um, how about Project Grudge came in, in 1948, specifically created to debunk the UFO UAP sightings. Do you know anything about that?

• 1:13:58Tim Burchett?

  A little. You know, things like that are, are they real or are they not? I feel like there's a lot of, it goes back to the disinformation. They don't want people on that track. And I think a lot of them are arrogant and they think we can't handle it, which I don't buy. I don't, um, and, and two, it's a control thing and there's an arrogance. I remember one time I was, um, with somebody early on in my congressional career and I was at an, I was having a fundraiser and they were there.

• 1:14:41Tim Burchett?

  And, and they were a big shot and it was, they were gonna speak a little and help me raise some money and the president called and they said, I want you to take this president go back, back room, you know, whatever. And I thought, and I sort of hinted, I was like, really? The president? Can I talk to him? Can I say hello to him? And they're like, nah, man, no. You know, and it was just a control thing. 15 seconds, wouldn't have hurt. I mean, his dad got Trump, so, you know, he'd have talked to anybody. So, um, and I always stored that back, not because the fact that they, um, I was mad because I wasn't really, I'm still, you know.

• 1:15:22Tim Burchett?

  A little green at that issue and I don't know why because I've hung out with Kid Rock twice, second time he remembered my name and I remembered Harley Davidson I'd had. So, you know, I've hung out with some of the biggest there are and Kid Rock's kind of at the top of the list at that time, but it always reminded me of um, that what I've said about power and control. There's a mental thing with a lot of people and some of them are insecure really, that they wanna and they and they use that they if they've got something that that maybe you want, just because you want it, they're not going to give it to you and it gives them this power of control over you. And I think that goes into a lot of these reports, again, the Kennedy assassination reports. What's that gonna

• 1:16:07Tim Burchett?

  show? What will it show? That that who they gonna embarrass that's out now, but it's a control thing.

• 1:16:15Shawn Ryan?

  Hmm, hmm. I mean, yeah, it does.

• 1:16:21Tim Burchett?

  That's a psychological condition. I don't know. You can probably have somebody analyze it and say it's BS or not, but that's I see that a lot in politics where, um, yeah, they're gonna have a meeting with somebody and they don't want, you know, we can't let them in, you know?

• 1:16:34Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:35Tim Burchett?

  Disseminates the power and the control.

• 1:16:38Shawn Ryan?

  Does make sense. Does make sense. Do you think that the government has had, has made communications with ETs?

• 1:16:54Tim Burchett?

  I don't think so. I think it's been, um, I've, cause I, I don't think they could control it. I don't think they could control that much knowledge or power. I think it's been accidental. I think that it's, um, yeah, I've heard a lot of talk on that and and and, uh, because honestly with that, with that technology and their ability, um,

• 1:17:30Tim Burchett?

  I mean, I just, just kind of X-filing it here, shooting from the hip, but you'd have people living 500 years because they would, obviously, there'd be some technology or something, or they'd have incredible, so, you know, maybe have incredible wealth, but I think that they would, you would see, they would stick out in a crowd.

• 1:17:50Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, yeah. Well, um, let's take a quick break. When we come back, we'll unpack the, the actual hearing.

• 1:18:00Shawn Ryan?

  Next, on the Sean Ryan Show.

• 1:18:05Shawn Ryan?

  He'd also talked about recovering non-human biologics.

• 1:18:15Speaker 06

  If you believe we have crashed craft, stated earlier, do we have the bodies of the pilots who piloted this craft?

• 1:18:22Speaker 04

  As I've stated publicly already in my News Nation interview, biologics came with some of these recoveries, yeah.

• 1:18:28Speaker 06

  Were they, I guess, human or non-human biologics?

• 1:18:32Speaker 04

  Non-human, and that was the assessment of people with direct knowledge on the program I talked to that are currently still on the program.

• 1:18:38Tim Burchett?

  So you're probably not seeing those type of crafts, those crashes, happening, if they are happening at all.

• 1:18:47Shawn Ryan?

  So, so it was previous technology that was causing these things to crash?

• 1:18:51Tim Burchett?

  I think.

• 1:18:52Shawn Ryan?

  What technology?