#354 Reckless Ben - The Internet's Most Controversial Investigative YouTuber

Ben Schneider, better known as Reckless Ben, is an independent documentary creator and YouTuber known for combining undercover investigations, hidden-camera footage, and confrontational humor. His work has taken him inside Scientology, Twelve Tribes, McKamey Manor, and Provo Canyon School to examine allegations of abuse, manipulation, and exploitation. His hands-on approach often makes him part of the story, including posing as a teenage student during his Provo Canyon investigation. More recently, he brought national attention to a dispute between Bricks & Minifigs and a family over a $200,000 LEGO Star Wars collection that was allegedly never returned after being consigned to a franchise store. The series generated more than 500 million views across platforms in two months and ultimately led to a settlement with the family. Shawn Ryan Show Sponsors: Privacy Isn't Paranoia. Its Protection. Download Glacier - https://theglacierapp.com Upgrade your eyewear at https://roka.com and use code SRS for 20% off sitewide at checkout. Get 10% off at https://tecovas.com/SRS when you sign up for email and texts. See site for details. Buy American at https://SnakestaffSystems.com and now on Amazon. Tell your family and friends. Grab some Caldera Lab for yourself or the guy on your list who needs it—visit https://CalderaLab.com/SRS and use code SRS for 20% off your first order. Get started with Claude at https://claude.ai/srs and check out Claude Pro for access to all features mentioned in today’s episode. Reckless Ben Links: YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@RecklessBen Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/recklessbenschneider Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/RecklessBen Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 1:05Speaker 02

  Reckless Ben, welcome to the show, man.

• 1:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, thanks for having me. Excited.

• 1:11Speaker 02

  Thanks for coming. Dude, you've been in some shit.

• 1:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, I would say still am.

• 1:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, I saw you get some legal stuff going on, but how long ago? How long ago did you, did you start this whole thing?

• 1:28Speaker 03

  The, like YouTube or?

• 1:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:32Speaker 03

  So I started slacklining before YouTube, and then I would film myself slacklining and just post it to YouTube, like just doing tricks and stuff.

• 1:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:42Speaker 03

  And then, I don't know, after that, I was like, I kinda liked like how people would like watch me doing slacklining. So I was like, how can I make this cooler? So then I would do weird stuff where I'd like set up the slackline over like a busy bike path where people were biking underneath me and doing backflips over their heads.

• 2:00Speaker 02

  Slacklines like you just, it's like a cable that you put in between trees or two or two whatever and walk.

• 2:07Speaker 03

  That's how most people slackline, but I like doing like backflips and like crazy flips and spins on it and stuff. And then, once that got boring, it was like, okay, we're like the worst places I can set this up at. So we'd set up over like spiky rocks, like 20 feet in the air, like, but then it's like if I fall, only I'm getting hurt. So then we would set up over like a bike path and then other people would like over people's heads. So if I fall, we're gonna cause like a crazy bike accident, you know? So there's like big pressure not to fall. It's like I really have to be good, you know? It was like a real test of how good I am slacklining. We'd set up over like mousetraps or like tasers with like rubber bands around them.

• 2:46Speaker 03

  And I would dress up like Spider-Man and stuff just to make it fun for the video.

• 2:49Speaker 02

  Holy shit, dude.

• 2:51Speaker 03

  And then, I don't know, so I started posting stuff like that. And then, after that, I don't know, I just moved to California for slacklining. And California has, is big for Scientology. And I was like, what goes on inside? And I would always Google it and I couldn't find any, I was like.

• 3:11Speaker 02

  That was your first thing?

• 3:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 3:14Speaker 02

  That's a big one.

• 3:15Speaker 03

  And I was homeless, living in my car at the time, because I just was like, I just wanna go out to California. You know, I just wanna live out there and just become the world's best slackliner. You know, I'll just live in my car and just train slacklining every day so I didn't have a house or anything. It's like all my energy I just wanna put into being the best slackliner ever. And then, so I was like, at this point, because I heard that like Scientology will like sue you or they could even like, just like try and ruin your life. I was like, I have no life, so how can they ruin my life, you know?

• 3:45Speaker 03

  So, because that was the reason why, because there's all these like documentaries that have like million dollar budgets, you know? That try and like find out what goes on inside and they can never do it. But I think it's because they had something to lose, you know? Because they could get sued and they have money to lose. But me, I was like, I have nothing that I can go in Scientology and what are they gonna do to me? You know, I'm already living in my car, like, how can my life?

• 4:07Speaker 02

  There is a saying, never mess with somebody that doesn't have anything to lose.

• 4:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's been my whole, that's been my whole YouTube career. Yep. That's how I get away with everything, because I've, yeah, I just, I'm such like a minimalist, I guess. I don't need anything to be happy except for doing fun stuff.

• 4:24Speaker 02

  It's a good boy to live, dude. Let me give you an introduction here. Reckless Ben, you're an investigative documentary creator and YouTuber at the forefront of a new wave of independent investigative journalism. Your investigations have taken you inside Scientology, 12 Tribes, McKamey Manor, and Provo Canyon School documenting allegations of abuse, manipulation, and exploitation. Most recently, you've investigated allegations of human trafficking and sexual abuse connected to the ideal living controversy. Pushing the boundaries of traditional journalism, we're facing significant, while facing significant personal, physical, and legal risks.

• 5:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, you know, I honestly had not heard of you and then

• 5:16Speaker 02

  our production manager

• 5:19Speaker 02

  put you on our radar and I was kinda picking through and I was like, holy shit, dude, like this dude is getting into it. It's impressive. It's, and so, and I didn't even know about this one, but the, the Yellow Deli?

• 5:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's like a restaurant, I guess.

• 5:36Speaker 02

  No, I know, so a long time ago, when I first moved here, there's this town like maybe an hour south of here called Pulaski. Have you heard of it?

• 5:47Speaker 03

  No.

• 5:47Speaker 02

  They have a Yellow Deli there.

• 5:49Speaker 03

  Well, I think their headquarters are in Nashville, I think.

• 5:51Speaker 02

  Are you serious?

• 5:53Speaker 03

  That's where the whole thing like started is in, it's like their home base is Nashville.

• 5:57Speaker 02

  So we went, so Pulaski's an interesting town. And supposedly, like supposedly, it's like where the KKK started and it's like, it's like, it's a weird spot. And so, before I knew any of that, we were, actually, I don't even know if we moved here yet. I think we were like looking for a place in Tennessee to live and, and we couldn't really afford anywhere here. So we were, we were like doing the outskirts towns and we went down there and I was like, it was weird. Yeah, it was before we moved here because we went driving down there and I was like, dude, I told, it was dark out.

• 6:42Speaker 02

  I told my wife, I was like, I feel like somebody's gonna like pop out of the woods in a hood or some shit. And, and then we, we told our realtor the next day that we were down there. She's like, dude, you gotta be careful down there. That's where the KKK started. I was like, oh shit, well, I guess I wasn't too far off.

• 7:00Speaker 03

  But is it still like active there?

• 7:02Speaker 02

  I don't know, but.

• 7:04Speaker 03

  It's just crazy people, I guess, like?

• 7:06Speaker 02

  No, I mean, I think it, that was like, what, nine years ago? And I have been back there and it's, it's, it's developed quite a bit from what it was.

• 7:16Speaker 03

  It's good.

• 7:17Speaker 02

  But, but it was dinner time or whatever, and we wanted to stop somewhere and get somewhere to eat. And there was like, dude, there's like nothing in that town at this time. And we, we ran into this place called the Yellow Deli. It was like the only place that was open. And so, we pulled in, went in.

• 7:42Speaker 02

  Really odd. Like it looked like the whole restaurant, I don't know if they all looked the same, but the whole restaurant looked like a jungle. Like it was like you're in the woods or like a, not like quite like as, it wasn't like Rainforest Cafe, but it was just odd. You know what I mean? Like it looked like you were kinda, they'd set it up to make it, make it look like it was in the forest scene or something. Like Peter Pan, actually. And we ate and the waiter came around and he was just everybody in there was weird, man. It was really odd. And so I started talking to the waiter and he, he kept referring to his boss as the authority. And we're like, what's the authority?

• 8:28Speaker 02

  And, and.

• 8:33Speaker 02

  Probably the weirdest place I had ever eaten. And it was almost like a recruitment thing, but it was like, oh, man, I gotta, we gotta run that. I don't know where I'm going next. We gotta, the authority will tell me. And I'm like, what is the authority? Like, what are you talking about? And everybody there was just a little off. Like the stares, how they treated you, like weird shitty eating grins and smirks on their faces and stuff.

• 8:57Speaker 03

  That's the thing I noticed, cuz and once you like live there for a little bit, you can kind of tell that they're all miserable cuz they're all overworked, they have no sleep, they're just kind of like, okay, like we're being tortured right now, but it's okay cuz that's gonna get us into a better afterlife, you know, like if we have miserable lives now, but it'll be worth it in the end. But they have to pretend to be happy at the yellow deli because that's where they're recruiting you. So there are these miserable people that have to put on a smile and you can kind of tell when someone's like faking a smile like that. It comes off as like creepy, you know?

• 9:33Speaker 02

  They seem drugged.

• 9:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, I don't think they are cuz they don't do drugs.

• 9:38Speaker 02

  It was like, it was a very like, very hippie kind of vibe.

• 9:42Speaker 03

  They don't do drugs, though. They're all sober.

• 9:45Speaker 02

  Like, like in a trance, like not like high on like meth or opiates or anything like that.

• 9:52Speaker 03

  They had us work, it was like 12 hour manual labor in the hundred, well, I was there like during one of the hottest months, but it was 100 degrees and I don't know if everyone's like this, but we had, I was like shoveling like things for like 12 hours a day. And then after that, then you have to go to the restaurant and work for another like couple hours. So everyone was just like dead.

• 10:14Speaker 02

  So hold on, I'm obviously, I'm personally curious on this one cuz we went there and I I still talk about this cuz it was such a weird experience. Me and my wife left there, we're like, what, like, what is that? Like, what, who is the authority and what the hell is going on in there? You can tell it's a cult. It's a cult. So how did it pop on your radar?

• 10:37Speaker 03

  So one of my friends, his name's Danny Burke, I was doing a couple of videos with him. He's just like some surfer dude from San Diego. And he knows that I was like, I did the Scientology video and that was like a cult and I did some other things that were cult related. And he's like, dude, I got a pretty crazy cult you could infiltrate. I just went to this restaurant with my girlfriend and we think it's a cult.

• 11:02Speaker 02

  Same experience.

• 11:04Speaker 03

  And I, I just looked, I was like, no, like, I'm like, I'm like, he's, you're probably exaggerating or whatever. I'm like, there's no way. You just have like a bad restaurant experience, maybe you had like a bad waiter or something, you know? And so I was like skeptical and we were just talking. I was like, yeah, okay, you know, and then I'm like, okay. He's like, it's on the way home. Just go and like eat there on the way home, you know? So as I'm driving back to Los Angeles, we stopped there and then within like 30 seconds, I'm like, I think this is a cult, you know, like this is crazy. Like our waiter came and he's like, I love you, you know, and we're like, oh, okay, like we're already having these like intimate, deep conversations. And he's like, you have to come back to the farm with us, you know? And I'm like, I just met this guy like we, like two minutes ago and he's saying he loves me.

• 11:51Speaker 03

  It was just weird. I don't know. But so we definitely got like a bunch of like red flags and I started looking it up and then I saw like all the abuse that happens and stuff and all the crazy brainwashing that goes on and what they're, I started studying their beliefs. I was like, maybe I could do a video on this. This would be interesting, you know, just like kind of live there for a couple of weeks and just see what they believe, you know, and like, why does this exist? I guess was kind of my thought process on documenting.

• 12:18Speaker 02

  Tell me about it. How'd you get in? They just invited you?

• 12:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, you said come back to the farm. So we went back to the farm with them.

• 12:25Speaker 02

  That, that night?

• 12:26Speaker 03

  Yeah. And then he said, so it was me and Danny doing it. So we had spy glasses cuz we wanted to like document it. And so the thing with spy glasses, they only last like an hour and a half. So we had, I think, like four pairs with us, but then you have to charge them and they don't have any electricity there. So Danny said that he was like dog sitting. So I would actually spend the night and I slept there for like three weeks. And then Danny would be like, oh, I'm dog sitting. Like I already have this prior commitment, like the dog will die if I don't go back home, I have to feed it food. But really, he was just going back to charge the spy cameras. And so we did that for like three weeks.

• 13:04Speaker 02

  What was, I mean, so what are you doing there? What are the living conditions?

• 13:09Speaker 03

  So most of it was manual labor. We had to, and obviously we have to run this farm and there's like 20 people running this huge farm. Uh, it's that way they can have food for the restaurant. So we're constantly like digging and I was a guy, so I was like constantly like digging and doing like the manual stuff.

• 13:30Speaker 03

  And then we all lived in a yurt. So it was a giant yurt and there was like probably 20 of us. They all had bunk beds. And so we just all slept in one room together.

• 13:39Speaker 02

  What do they talk about?

• 13:43Speaker 03

  So they believe in the same Bible that Christians believe in, uh, but they just have a very weird interpretation of it. So they're talking about like what God was actually meaning by these like verses. And I grew up, uh, I heard, you're Catholic, right? Yeah. So I grew up Catholic also. I went to a Catholic school, first through eighth grade. And so I was taught one version of the Bible. And their version is just like the weirdest version I've ever heard in my life. Like it's so strange. It's, I don't know, like,

• 14:20Speaker 03

  like, I guess, for example, some of the weird stuff that they believe is like, obviously, they were like the KKK is like good, like basically.

• 14:28Speaker 02

  The KKK is good?

• 14:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, cuz they were like, one of the things they told me was peak America was when slavery happened. And the only.

• 14:36Speaker 02

  That's why they're on Pulaski.

• 14:38Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 14:39Speaker 02

  That makes, that's no shit.

• 14:41Speaker 03

  But they, they told me that America was awesome and exactly how God wanted America to be until slaves got freed. And that's when God got mad at America was cuz we freed the slaves and all these sinners are in, uh, America now. And, and America can't be a functioning country if, if black people weren't involved, you know? So that's that, it's, uh, now it's like a sinful country, I guess.

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• 17:57Speaker 03

  That was some of the more extreme stuff. Um, some of, I mean, there was some stuff that's like not as extreme, like, uh, basically like, they're like, women had like belong in the kitchen. That's their role and the man has to like work and stuff like a woman can't have the man's role. A man can't have the women's role. That was like a huge thing. So then we like, uh, like obviously like, we want it to be like entertaining and funny. So we made like parody TikToks accounts for ourselves. Like we pretend to be like famous TikTokers, like me and Danny. So his, on his TikTok, he's like, you know what? I think it's good that women have the right to vote, you know? And then on my TikTok, I'd be like, like, women belong in the kitchen. Like if a woman wants to go out and have a job, that's bad. She, women shouldn't have jobs, you know?

• 18:42Speaker 03

  And then we'd show them our TikToks and they're like, oh Danny, like you should, you should get off social media. Social media is evil and stuff. But they're like, but Ben, you're actually saying some good messages, you know, you're like, maybe you should keep doing TikTok, you know? It was just like funny to like how they would react to like our social media presence where it's like, normally people would say, I'm the bad guy, you know, for doing that. And they would be like, oh Danny's is fine. You know, he's like, he's just saying stuff like, I think women should be able to vote, you know? But they're like, oh, that's, that's the bad TikTok, you know? So.

• 19:09Speaker 02

  So how do they, how do they suck these people in?

• 19:13Speaker 03

  Um, the yellow deli, I think people go to the restaurant and the food's really good. Like, uh, I mean, I don't know if you liked it, but I really, really liked the food. There was no pesticide. It's all organic. Um, like handmade, you know, and it's amazing food. It's cheap too, because they don't pay the workers. So, uh, um, yeah, cause they, their, uh, their payment is heaven, I guess, like eternal life in heaven. So, uh, yeah, you can get really good food for really cheap. Um, and then people are like, oh, this is awesome, you know? And, uh, they're like, oh, come back to the farm. And then they, uh, we, we did like a whole like 12 step plan of like how to join a cult, I guess. So

• 19:55Speaker 03

  the, I think step one was like love bombing, you know? So they basically make you feel like you're the most special person in the world. And like, we knew it was love bombing going into it and it still worked on us. We were like, I mean, it feels good when people are constantly telling you how awesome you are, you know? And they're like, you finally found like the right place and they make you feel like, like all 20 or 30 of them, like love you and you're finally accepted into a family. And say you like grew up without like the best, like loving family, which a lot of these people probably didn't, like they grew up in like a bad family that didn't love them. And so for the first time, they feel loved by people and you kind of let your guard down, you know? And now your guard's let down, you're more easily manipulated, I guess.

• 20:38Speaker 02

  And that worked on you?

• 20:41Speaker 03

  Yeah. And we knew it was a cult and we still got brainwashed kinda.

• 20:45Speaker 02

  Are you serious? How did you know you were brainwashed?

• 20:49Speaker 03

  I don't know. Cause they kept saying things like,

• 20:54Speaker 03

  if you're just told stuff like every single day, you kind of start to believe it. I think it's, you've probably heard that metaphor. It's like, show me who your top four friends are and I'll tell you what type of person you are, you know, like you are like the people you surround yourself with. I think it's just how our brains work. So if you're just told the same lie over and over, you kind of start to believe it, I guess. So after like week three of me living there, cause I, I kind of lost sense of like what was happening on the outside world. Like this was my new reality now, you know? And I kind of started to believe like my mission is to work on a farm, you know, like this is my mission. Cause that's what everyone was telling me the whole time is like, your mission is to work on this farm. That's gonna make you happiest in life. Um,

• 21:38Speaker 03

  and yeah, they were like, uh, also we had this whole backstory where, cause we got invited to a wedding and so I thought it'd be really funny if I had a wedding there. So, cause like it was really, they had all these like weird rituals they did for the wedding. So I was like, oh, it'd be funny if like I had a wedding there. So we told them that, uh, I had a fiance and it was this, her name's Lydia and she's Chinese. And that was a big problem with them that we were mixing the races together. Like, they were like, oh, if you have a kid with a Chinese woman, like the kid's gonna come out deformed. Like they treated it like incest, you know, like, like your kids are gonna have like all these deformities and stuff, which we actually looked it up and I think the science of like interracial, like kids, it actually makes like for better genetics, I think, from what like science shows.

• 22:21Speaker 03

  But they were like, oh, your kids are gonna come out all like deformed and stuff and you're gonna have like a mutant kid and stuff. Like you have to keep like the race pure, you know? And so they like tried to like break us up. And I started to believe that like, maybe this girl like wasn't even good for me, you know? And I was like, maybe she is bad. Cause I was just hearing it every day for like three weeks. And we actually had a story, like we had her die off in the story. Like, uh, we told them that she had a gay thought once, uh, cause they're like super against like homosexuality and stuff. It's like one time, uh, I, we were walking down the street and she's told me that she thought another girl was hot. She was like, oh, that girl's hot. And they're like, oh, well, God hates that. And then they're like, God's gonna punish her for that. So the next day I was like,

• 23:02Speaker 03

  so, uh, uh, yeah, she's like dying of pneumonia and like, oh yeah, yeah. Cause, cause she had that gay thought that one time she thought that girl was hot. So God's punishing her. And then the next day we were like, oh yeah, she like died and they like started celebrating. Like they did like a bunch of like this like circle dance, like celebrating her death and.

• 23:21Speaker 02

  Are you serious?

• 23:21Speaker 03

  It was crazy. Uh, it was pretty insane.

• 23:24Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 23:25Speaker 03

  Um, there was a little bit more to it. I guess there was a part two where I was like, they don't believe in medicine. That's another big, big part. Cause we were like, the doctor said, all she has to do is like take this like pneumonia medicine. She'll just be better tomorrow, like in like an hour. It's like, no, tell her she can't take the medicine. That's like evil. Like, like medicine is like a manmade creation. Like if God wants her to survive, like God will like, uh, he'll like heal her. So like if she's dying, like God wants her to die and like by her taking medicine, that's like humans intervening with God's plan, I guess, is what they were taught. Which is weird. Cause when I was in Catholic school, uh, there was this parable that they told us where there's like a flood and, uh, and he prays to God and God says, I'll, I'll, I'll save you, you know?

• 24:09Speaker 03

  And then a guy comes in on a boat and he's like, hey, like I'm here to save you. And the guy's like, no, no, it's okay. God already told me he's saved me. And so he's like, okay. And the boat leaves. And then a second guy comes on a boat and then, uh, the guy's like, hey, I'm here to save you and stuff like from this flood. And the guy's like, no, like, God already said it's all good. Like you can leave, you know? And then a third guy comes up, same thing. And then finally like, I think the flood's getting really bad. And then he's like praying to God. He's like, hey God, like, when are you gonna come save me? And then God's just like, I sent you three boats.

• 24:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:41Speaker 03

  So it's like, uh,

• 24:43Speaker 02

  Before too.

• 24:43Speaker 03

  Uh, that's what came to my mind with that. I think the same thing with medicine. It's like, you know, it's like, I mean, like God created humans to be smart so we can make medicine. So shouldn't we use it? Like, I don't know.

• 24:55Speaker 02

  Are you still Catholic?

• 24:57Speaker 03

  Uh, I don't know. I've been in so many like different like religion. I've studied so many different religions and cults and stuff. And it's like, I think my ultimate conclusion is I'm too stupid to know what the real answer is. Like, uh, the analogy I like to think about a lot is like, say you have, uh, like the internet, right? Like that's this crazy complex thing that an ant is never be able to understand. And like, say, say you try and like talk to an ant and you're like, hey, look at the internet. Like you can like, this is how it works. It's like the ants not even to be able to under, like begin to understand how complex and crazy this thing is, you know?

• 25:40Speaker 03

  It, it doesn't mean the internet doesn't exist. It just doesn't, it's just how's the ant gonna understand that? I kind of think the same thing with God. It's like, it's so complex and cra, like how is like my human brain to be able to understand what goes on? And so I'm kind of just like open to anything, I think, you know?

• 26:01Speaker 03

  I try to, I, I try to use the teachings I learned in Catholic school a lot. I think it's very helpful with, uh, like being a good person and like living the best life possible. Like I try to treat people how I want to be treated and love people and do nice things, not for selfish reasons.

• 26:18Speaker 02

  So you've fallen out of Christianity?

• 26:21Speaker 03

  I wouldn't say I've fallen out. Uh, I, I think I just don't like saying like, I'm a hundred percent sure that this is like correct. Because I don't know, like what if something else ends up being, you know, like, uh, like someone that's like Hindu or some other religion is also a hundred percent that they're correct too, you know? And so I, I think if I believe this because that's how I was raised, is that a real reason for believing, you know? And when I was looking back at myself, it's like, I was only believing it because that's what I was taught, you know? And so I'd rather believe something because I believe it, not just because it's what was like told to me, I guess.

• 27:05Speaker 02

  It's the biggest investigation of all time.

• 27:07Speaker 03

  Yeah. But I don't know. I'm, I mean, I'm not against any religion. I guess. I think, I think they're all probably just equally awesome, I guess. Um, but I don't think there is any way for me to know, you know, it's kind of like the ant analogy. It's like,

• 27:24Speaker 03

  Hopefully, whatever God is up there can send me enough, like, I don't think I'll be able to. I think it's like too complex for my like brain to understand. I don't know. I don't think I'll ever know the answers. Maybe when we die, we'll find out, I guess. But I try to live like a good life, you know, and stuff and help people out. Kind of dedicated my life to helping people and uh, trying to make other people's lives better.

• 27:50Speaker 02

  When did you start, when did you start thinking that? When did you start kind of falling away? I mean, you can't really say you're a Christian if you don't believe in Christ and you're open to all these other religions.

• 28:02Speaker 03

  So, I guess.

• 28:04Speaker 02

  Or philosophies or whatever you want to call it.

• 28:06Speaker 03

  So my parents were raised super Catholic, like my dad was like an altar boy and stuff like uh, my grandparents on both sides are super, super hardcore Catholic. And then my dad started just kind of being like, uh,

• 28:23Speaker 03

  I don't know, like, like, I guess we were just taught like,

• 28:29Speaker 03

  like this is what is true because I said so, you know, um, like this is what the Bible says. And if you question it, you're going to hell type of thing, you know? And so my dad was like, well, that seems kind of weird, I guess. So like, what if there's like other things, you know, like other possibilities. And so I guess that's kind of how he raised me also. So I guess it is kind of, you're right, it's, it's like the same thing I was saying. It's like, maybe that is just what I believe because that's how I was raised, you know, but um,

• 28:59Speaker 03

  I don't know. So they still sent me to Catholic school, even though they were like, this might not be like, basically like 100% reality, but it's a good like metaphor, you know, and I think.

• 29:10Speaker 02

  Good values.

• 29:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. And I think even a lot of Catholics would say that about the Bible too, you know, like you can't take everything like literally like, it says God created the world in seven days, but maybe the seven days are metaphors for like seven time periods that God created the world, you know? Um, with like the big bang, because like, okay, the big bang didn't happen in seven days. So like, maybe that was like the seven days or seven different like segments of like the way he created the universe, you know? Um, so that's kind of what I was taught is like, kind of take it as like a metaphor, but it might not be like 100, like word for word, 100% true, you know? Because also the Bible is just people recalling it, you know, and like, I think there are some contradictions, obviously, because people's like memories are different, you know? So if you have four people witness an event, all four people are going to witness it differently.

• 29:56Speaker 03

  They're going to have different recollections of it. So it might not be like word for word true, but is what I was taught, I guess.

• 30:03Speaker 02

  I don't know if it contradicts itself.

• 30:05Speaker 03

  Well, not contradicts, but they're like different, what's it called? Like uh, there's different.

• 30:10Speaker 02

  Perspectives.

• 30:11Speaker 03

  Perspectives, yeah. And so, um, which if you do have like, I actually heard that's the reason that makes the Bible more trustworthy, you know? Because people are like, well, how do like Luke and Matthew, how do they have like, how like they're, they're saying two different things happened, you know? And it's like, well, you have to think this happens like they wrote the Bible like years and years after they witnessed this, you know? And if you have four people witness an event, they're going to have different like memories of it, you know? So it's actually more proof that the Bible is real because if it was made up, then you would expect it to all be the same, you know? Like, why would you?

• 30:47Speaker 02

  Do you know how many times the Bible cross references itself?

• 30:51Speaker 03

  Uh, how many times?

• 30:52Speaker 02

  Sixty two, over sixty two thousand times.

• 30:55Speaker 03

  Whoa.

• 30:56Speaker 02

  See that thing right there?

• 30:58Speaker 03

  Uh.

• 30:59Speaker 02

  Rainbow looking arches.

• 31:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 31:03Speaker 02

  That's.

• 31:03Speaker 03

  All the times.

• 31:04Speaker 02

  Every book. And then I think every chapter in each book and those arcs all represent a cross reference.

• 31:12Speaker 03

  Whoa. That's sick.

• 31:16Speaker 02

  No other book in the world does that.

• 31:19Speaker 03

  Whoa.

• 31:20Speaker 02

  Pretty wild, huh?

• 31:21Speaker 03

  I learned some storytelling techniques from the Bible.

• 31:23Speaker 02

  But uh, so how did you get out of the Yellow Deli 12 tribes thing?

• 31:30Speaker 03

  They uh, they found us out that we were YouTubers, I guess.

• 31:35Speaker 02

  Oh, they found out?

• 31:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, I don't know how. They, they never found out our last names. Uh, we just, I told them my name was Ben. I think I told him I was a Slackliner, so I think they looked, but it's weird because they don't use the internet or anything. But I think there's like one guy at the top, probably the authority that you were talking about that uh, I think they have to use the internet because they're a restaurant and they have to. So I think like the top guy from what I heard is always use the internet. So he probably looked up like Ben Slackline, yeah. Because we were pushing things kind of far, like, like, like we had like this girl die because she had a gay thought one time.

• 32:14Speaker 03

  And that, like, and we were asking them some stuff about like their thoughts on black people and stuff and um, I don't know, I guess we were being suspicious and, but we lasted three weeks and we got a lot of good information out. So it was kind of perfect timing. We got kicked out.

• 32:31Speaker 02

  How'd they kick you out?

• 32:33Speaker 03

  Um, they just said, hey, we, I think we were wearing the glasses. They look kind of like the ones you're wearing right now. And the guys were like, can I see these? And then he pulls up the SD card and he's like, what's this? And just hold the SD card in her face. We're like, oh, man, like.

• 32:49Speaker 03

  Like, we're sorry. And we'll leave, I guess. Um, you caught us.

• 32:54Speaker 02

  That was it?

• 32:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was like the worst. Yeah, it was probably like the most awkward thing ever. It was like, we like did the walk of shame out and they'd like walk us out. And because like, we kind of became friends with these guys, like, because my whole thing was, like, none of these guys were like bad people. They were just brainwashed, you know? Um, like they genuinely thought that like God hates black people and by them also hating black people, they're doing the morally good thing, you know? Because in their eyes, that's the morally good thing to do. Or like by like putting women in the kitchen and not letting them to do anything else and live life, you know? Like, that's what God would want. So if you let a woman go out and have a job, you're evil. That's what Satan would want, you know, and they think that's bad. So they just have like

• 33:40Speaker 03

  different morals than like me and you probably have, you know? Um, so uh, so I, I didn't ever think they were like bad people because they're doing what they think is the good thing to do. But they're just, so we became friends with them and it was terrible, like having like, are now friends, like so disappointed. It was so sad, but I don't know.

• 34:02Speaker 02

  So what, I mean, what happens if somebody does have a baby there?

• 34:06Speaker 03

  So the guys who were talking, there's a lot of baby deaths because they're all, they're all at home and they're all without pain medicine. And yeah, they said that God wants women to feel the pain of childbirth, I guess. Um, I think that's like a holy thing, I guess. And yeah, we were talking to a lot of people there. I mean, there's only like 30 people there and it was surprising how many people had kids that died because they were like, I mean, they should have told us like, yeah, if we would have had medicine, we could have saved our kid, but that wasn't God's plan. God wanted the baby to die and God works in mysterious ways, so we can't question God.

• 34:48Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 34:49Speaker 03

  Yeah. I, I think that's like a direct quote from my video series was, we would have had medicine, we could have just saved the baby, but yeah, it's not what his plan is.

• 35:02Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 35:03Speaker 03

  Just, it was so sad.

• 35:06Speaker 02

  Did you learn how like how, because these restaurants are all over that. I think they had a map in there and I was like, you guys got restaurants and like, I remember one in Costa Rica and then all over the country.

• 35:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, um, I think there's some in Australia, there's some in, I'm not sure if there's any in Europe, but a lot of them in the United States. Because yeah, it's originally from Tennessee, but there's a one in California. We're like, oh, it's close enough to our house. Well, let's go to that one. And then uh, once we got kicked out of that, we were actually, let's go back because they don't use the internet. So then we went back to uh, one in Colorado, which was apparently there's this really uh, famous like fire that, uh, it was like the biggest fire ever in Denver, like destroyed like the whole city or whatever. And it was started by the Yellow Deli is what people think. So, um.

• 35:55Speaker 02

  Interesting.

• 35:56Speaker 03

  We lived there for a little bit and they caught on to us there. So then we got kicked out again, but yeah.

• 36:01Speaker 02

  Right on, man. Let's talk about Provo because it sounds like a big one.

• 36:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 36:06Speaker 02

  You got in, you, you got in just a random email because you read, how do you read all your emails?

• 36:14Speaker 03

  Well, this was before I blew up, I guess. So I, I, I only had like a little bit amount of emails compared to uh, what I have now.

• 36:22Speaker 02

  So you got a random email?

• 36:23Speaker 03

  But I, I, I did read every single email that I got when I first put that feeler out, yeah.

• 36:29Speaker 02

  About a like a troubled teen facility in Provo, Utah?

• 36:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, and the guy's describing it. He's like, they put kids in solitary confinement. They do like, they basically will beat you up and like for doing nothing. Like if you just don't do everything they say, you can't talk to anyone, like they take away your childhood. And the part that like really sold me was he was like, when I was there, I was hoping to go to jail because that would have been way better. And I was like, whoa, this place is like, because you always think of jail as being like the worst place ever. So like this place being worse than jail and like, a kid's going there just for like smoking weed one time or something like that's insane, you know, like, so it's like, uh, something that's like not that bad gets you a punishment that's like really, really like worse than jail. I was like, uh, and so I call him, like, okay, let me just call this guy. So I call him and he's talking to me about it. I'm like,

• 37:20Speaker 03

  this guy is lying to me. Like this doesn't exist. Kind of the same thing with the call. Like every time I do these ideas. I mean, that's what makes a good idea is like when I'm shocked, you know, because then I'm like, this doesn't exist. Like there's no way. And then when I found out it does, now I'm shocked. I'm like, oh, I learned something, you know, I want the audience to also learn this too. So I find out that that's probably like all my ideas is stuff that I'm shocked to find out where I'm like, I was wrong in something. And I'm like, oh, that's okay. That's

• 37:46Speaker 02

  So you're going after the stuff that's just so outlandish that it's unbelievable.

• 37:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. And I always say that too in my videos, like if I have an idea to like take down a corporation or something. And it's why I, every, this is how I pitched my ideas. I'm like, okay, so I'll tell like four or five of my friends and if they're like, that sounds like a really good idea. Like you should do that. Then I know it's a bad idea because it's believable. Um, because then if I do it, if I tell you I'm going to do this and you're like, oh yeah, you could do it. And I do it, then you're not shocked. You're not surprised. But I know it's a good idea when I tell my friends and they're like, oh no, you can't do that. That's, that's bad. Like you can't, that's horrible. Like there's no way you're going to pull that off. Like, or you're going to go to jail or like that's horrible. Then I know it's a good idea because then when I do pull it off, then now you're surprised.

• 38:30Speaker 02

  Where'd you hear that? Because that's, that's a saying.

• 38:32Speaker 03

  Really? Uh, I was just from experience.

• 38:34Speaker 02

  Ideas are making better, going after bad ideas and making them work.

• 38:38Speaker 03

  Really? Just from experience? Because I would like tell people ideas and they're like, okay. And then, I don't know, because it's just believable. Like if you already believe that I can do it, then why are you watching? Like, are you, you know, can pull it off? You want to watch because you don't know how it's going to work out. You know, that's, that's science. Like, uh, I was a mechanical engineer. So in science, you don't test something if you already know the answer. You test something that you don't know what the answer is, you know, because that's why you have to test it. So if I pitched an idea, my friends are like, oh, how is that going to turn out? Like that might go really bad, you know? Then now they're, now we have something to test, you know? It could go good. It could go bad. Uh, and yeah, I don't know. But the Provo Canyon video was like that, I guess, because

• 39:20Speaker 03

  I completely just thought the guy was crazy. I'm like, oh, you're exaggerating this. No way. Like you just probably didn't like your parents sent you away from them for a month. You're exaggerating all this, you know, and, and I turned out to be wrong, I guess.

• 39:34Speaker 02

  So what, I mean, what did he say that made you think it was so crazy?

• 39:38Speaker 03

  Just like they'll put you in solitary confinement for like a month. Um, they'll beat you up randomly because the workers are mad. Um, you can't talk to anyone. Like it just doesn't seem real. Like, oh, you have to go to school for like three years of your life and the whole time you can't talk to anyone. Like, it sounds terrible.

• 40:02Speaker 02

  How long was this kid in there?

• 40:03Speaker 03

  Uh, usually they're in there for like two to three. I think he was in there for like three years. Because it's like your high school. Like it's, uh, they advertise themselves as a high school. So you can graduate with a diploma. But apparently they're faking the diplomas. So then you're like, oh yeah, I got a diploma. Let's go apply to a college now. And then the college is like, that isn't a real diploma. It's like a fake certificate.

• 40:22Speaker 02

  Is this place still in operation?

• 40:24Speaker 03

  Uh, it closed down one day after we posted our video, but, um, yeah, that's what I was thinking too. I was like, there's no, like maybe back in like, like 50 years ago, this could exist. But today, like this was a place we could shut down if this existed today. And then we went there and it's still just as bad as he's describing.

• 40:42Speaker 02

  I mean, even how you got in there sounds like

• 40:46Speaker 02

  some pretty extravagant tradecraft.

• 40:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, we, we just called him and said like, hey, take my son. And they're like, okay. And didn't ask for any paperwork. Well, okay, we probably had to like sign like one thing, but they didn't ask how old I am. They didn't ask for anything. I never had to show my ID. The dad never had to show his ID. We never had to show birth certificate. No, we didn't verify anything. They just said, sign this. Okay, you're in. Okay.

• 41:13Speaker 02

  And you, but you had somebody on the inside too.

• 41:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, I, uh, so

• 41:18Speaker 02

  So walk me through the whole process from, from idea of we're doing this to your inside.

• 41:26Speaker 03

  So I wanted to apply as a teacher. And then I was like, shoot, they're going to background check me and find out I'm a, I'm a YouTuber. And they're going to be like, why is this YouTuber who like takes down companies going to want to work for us? Because they were already like pretty bad in the media. Paris Hilton went to this school. And so she, she's been like all over the media, like shut down Provo Canyon and stuff. She's been trying to work with people to shut them down. So they're already skeptical that people are like trying to shut them down. So I was like, there's no way I'm getting hired to this place. Uh, but this one guy reached out to me on Instagram. His name's Sheldon. Uh, and he was like, dude,

• 42:08Speaker 03

  you're my favorite YouTuber ever. Can we please collab? Like I'll do anything to collaborate with you. And I was like, I bet this guy would want to work there. I was like, you want to work at Provo Canyon School? He was like, I'm down. So he was just some fan that, uh, I was like, I just bought him some spy cameras. I taught him how they worked. And I was like, I'll pay for your Airbnb, your travel and, uh, I don't have money to pay you because I was like broke at the time, but I was like, you can make money by working there. They'll, the school pay you and I'll cover all your costs and stuff. So, um, and, uh, and then he was also like really wanting to be a YouTuber also. So I was like, you can make your own, like, can I give you some storytelling techniques? You can make your own video on it, which

• 42:50Speaker 03

  he posted on his channel. But yeah, he, we thought he was going to be in there for like a week, but he ended up being in there for a month. Like every, he just worked there full time for a month. At a point where we kept making the joke like, okay, like he's not even investing in that. He's just actually just like working there now. But, um, yeah, he was undercover. We had so much footage to go through. It was because he was working there every day for like eight hours a day. So we have eight hours of footage for a month, every day of him working on inside. So it was pretty crazy.

• 43:18Speaker 02

  And you were in there too?

• 43:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, the very end I was able to get in. Um, and yeah, we just, we, we did the same thing. We told him that I did. So we told him I had like a gay thought, because we saw on the website that you could be in there for, uh, like homosexuality or whatever. So we were like, out of all the things you get sent there for, I thought that was like the least evil thing, you know? Because we're like, that way, if they like punish me harsh, then we can be like, oh, I didn't even really do anything bad. And also in Utah, which is where the school is at, uh, there's like all these like weird like, uh, like, uh, conversion camp bans and stuff. Like it's like super illegal to like try and like convert someone who's gay. So we're like, oh, well, that could be a way to shut them down. You know, if like we can prove that they're still

• 44:04Speaker 03

  doing like gay conversion there, then, and then I went there and then there, it was actually like pretty progressive. They were like, um, like if you're gay, we have to treat you differently and stuff. And they're like, why are you here? I was like, yeah, my dad thinks I'm gay and stuff. And, and they're like, oh, we don't have a problem with that. So they didn't even try and convert me to like straight or anything. They were just, so I was like, so why am I here then? If you guys are like fine with like gay people, it was weird. Uh, and what we found out is they just want money, I guess. So they'll just kind of accept anyone if you pay them. Because it's not really about helping the kids. It's just about helping the guy at the top make money. So as long as you're making him money, they'll accept you.

• 44:42Speaker 02

  Is there a lot of these?

• 44:43Speaker 03

  Um, yeah, I think they're kind of all over. Uh, um, they have a bunch of, so the one owner has like four or five companies. So now this one shut down. I actually snuck back in last week. We went back there and because I was just curious, like, because it shut down. And I was like, is it just an abandoned building or there's still people there? And we went back and there was a bunch of people like unloading books and they said it was going to a sister company, I guess. So they don't really ever shut down. They kind of just move locations and rebrand.

• 45:14Speaker 02

  Gotcha.

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• 47:11Speaker 03

  So that's the sad thing is, like, these people are like billionaires, like, they know how to, like, get around stuff like this.

• 47:18Speaker 02

  So, I mean, what you got, so you meet this guy that wants to be a YouTuber. He goes down as an employee, as a teacher.

• 47:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, also, the funny part is, is he's a, his criminal history is so bad, like, he's not allowed to work with kids. Um, he's like a changed man now. Like, he used to do, like, heroin and meth and stuff, and fentanyl, and, uh, and then, like, he was addicted, you know, and he needs the heroin, so he would, like, steal cars and stuff, and he, he has, like, grand theft auto, and he's been to jail for that and stuff, and, and so he's not allowed to work with kids. And he has literally the worst criminal history of anyone I've ever seen in my entire life. And, but now he's sober, he doesn't do drugs anymore, and he's turning, he's like a good person now, I guess, so it wasn't, like, bad to, like, send him in there. He's not gonna, like, hurt any of the kids. Like, he was there to, like, protect the kids from, like, the actual bad people.

• 48:08Speaker 03

  But just looking at his criminal history, like, he is not allowed to work there. And they were like, uh, I think he did the interview, they asked him one interview question, which was like, "Are you down to restrain their kids if things get dirty?" And he was like, "Yeah," like, "'cause you might have to get your hands dirty." And once he said he was down to get his hands dirty, they're like, "You're hired," and he got the job without any background search. And, uh, yeah, um, that's actually ended up why they ended up getting shut down was for the background searches, because they just weren't background search, and they were just hiring terrible people to work there. That's ultimately what got him shut down, but...

• 48:43Speaker 02

  So how long was he there before you infiltrated?

• 48:46Speaker 03

  Uh, about a month. It was like three and a half weeks.

• 48:52Speaker 02

  How long were you in there?

• 48:53Speaker 03

  Only two days, because what we did is, so it's, uh, a thousand dollars a day to be there. And when I would film the video, I only had $2,000 in my bank account. So I was like, "Shoot, I can only be there for two days." But to make it worse, they needed a full month down payment before letting me in. So you needed, I think they said they needed 50, it was like a month and a half of payment or something, they needed $50,000 for me to go in, uh, before they would let me go in. I had $2,000 in my bank account, and so I was like, and basically, my entire YouTube career's been me getting shadow banned, so I post a video, and then it gets taken down. I post a video, it gets taken, so I could never have made any money on my YouTube before this.

• 49:35Speaker 03

  So I guess I could have taken out, like, a $50,000 loan, but like, $50,000 is more money than I made, like, the last three years. So I'd just be paying that off, like, the rest of my life, probably. I didn't think, like, it was worth it for me to get the video. So I came with a plan, which was, we, because I was like, we, at this point, we kind of found out the whole system wasn't to help the kids, it was to make money. So we're like, "Okay, let's use that to their advantage. If their whole point is to make money, let's tell them that we have $50,000 on the way to them, but for whatever reason, the bank just blocked, like, they're pending the transaction," you know? And then to, uh, to add urgency, uh, I called him, pretending to be the, uh, we had, like, a running joke where I was pretending to be the dad

• 50:16Speaker 03

  and the son at the same time. And so I'm, like, calling him, and it's my dad, and I'm like, "Hey, so, like, yeah, I have to go to, like, Germany on a work trip, for like some weird island in Germany or something, and I leave in, like, two hours is my, my flight, so you have to accept them in now, but the money will transfer. The bank just, it's pending for the next 48 hours. So in 48 hours, you will get the money. But if you don't accept them, I'm gonna be in Germany, and then we'll just send them to, like, some other place, and we'll give them the money instead." So they were so money hungry, they said yes, and they didn't ask for any IDs, any birth certificates, any paperwork. They were just like, "Yeah, just bring them in, we can accept them." It's, and then, but like, if the money doesn't come in 48 hours, then we're gonna send them out.

• 50:57Speaker 03

  So we're getting around the 48-hour mark, and we were outside. I guess they give the kids, like, 15 minutes of outside time per day, I guess. So we were outside, and I was like, "If I go back inside, they're just gonna, um, like, be like, 'Oh, your dad didn't pay, you have to leave.'" I'm like, "That's kind of boring." So instead, I was like, "What if I escape?" And then, because they're, like, really scared of having, like, escaped kids, that looks like, that's really bad PR for them. So I can escape, and they'll say, "I only come back if they fix their facility," you know? So I'm gonna blackmail them with all this bad PR to improve themselves. So I ended up just escaping instead, and... Uh, I just climbed the fence. There was like, if this, like, 15...

• 51:36Speaker 02

  Easy?

• 51:37Speaker 03

  Well, there was a basketball hoop next to it, so I climbed the basketball hoop, and then I just jumped the fence. It was like, like, a three, it was like a three-foot gap from, like, the basketball hoop and the fence, so I was just able to jump over. And then I just did a parkour roll, and it was soft grass, so it was fine.

• 51:52Speaker 02

  So what happened after that?

• 51:54Speaker 03

  And then, I don't know, they, like, chased me...

• 51:56Speaker 02

  Did they know you escaped?

• 51:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, they, like, chased me for, like, a couple of miles, and then I, like, got away. And then Sheldon picked me up. I, I think I, like, went to, like, some, like, fast food restaurant, and I was, like, all out of breath. I, I think I threw up, like, three or four times, because I don't, it was, like, 20 degrees outside. I'm just in, like, a, uh, I, I actually, I think I had a sweatshirt on, but I have, like, an asthma thing where I can't, like, exercise in cold weather. So I just start, like, throwing up all over the restaurant, and then I'm, like, out of breath, I'm like, "Hey, like, I'm doing a scavenger hunt," like, my phone died, I, like, just beat the scavenger hunt, but I have to, like, contact the person to come pick me up, "Can I use your phone?" And then I had my friend's phone number memorized, so I called him. I'm like, "Hey, pick me up,

• 52:37Speaker 03

  I just finished a scavenger hunt," and then my friend comes and picks me up, and, uh, yeah, then we, I guess, got away from the police. They weren't able to get me, so I was sick.

• 52:46Speaker 02

  Wow. So, I mean, what did you, what did you uncover? Um, and your, your buddy was there in, in there for a month. What kind of stuff was he witnessing inside this place?

• 52:56Speaker 03

  One of the worst ones was the solitary confinement. So in Utah, every state's different, but in Utah, like, I think solitary confinement is allowed for, like, murderers and stuff, but only for, like, a couple hours a day, you know, like, it can't go on, like, extended. And for kids, like, no solitary confinement at all, like, that's, like, super illegal. Uh, because, like, that makes sense, like, there's scientists have done studies on solitary confinement, like, literally damages your brain. And so for kids going through solitary confinement, like, that's when your brain's developing, like, you don't want to, that's why, like, we can't smoke or drink alcohol when we're kids, because it's gonna ruin our brain, you know? So solitary confinement does a similar thing. It's, like, horrible for us, and it's gonna cause problems later in life.

• 53:38Speaker 03

  And so it's, like, super illegal, and then they'll just send kids, like, we caught them sending a kid to solitary confinement for two weeks for stealing a bag of chips. And, uh, basically, the teacher was handing out chips to everyone, and then, uh, one of the kids took a bag of chips from the other kid, resulting in the kid to go up and grab another bag for himself. So what inconvenience this kid, maybe 20 seconds, now this other kid has to pay for that with two weeks of solitary confinement. So it kind of seems like the punishment...

• 54:10Speaker 02

  What was solitary confinement like for him?

• 54:12Speaker 03

  So I guess it's not, it's not what you think of normal solitary confinement. It's not like, okay, I'm in a prison cell by myself, you know, and I can't do anything. Actually, I would argue solitary, that type of solitary confinement would be better. Uh, because at least you could do, like, push-ups, you could work out and stuff. This was, and you told me not to sit up because of the microphone, but you have to sit like this in a school desk, there's, like, probably 10 kids all in a room, and you have to just sit there and just look forward. And, uh, if you, like, look at, like, another kid, if you, like, turn your head to look, the teacher, "Hey, look forward, like, don't look at that kid," you know? So you're just tempted. So you have all these kids that are, like, in their phase where you're supposed to be social, you know? Like, all they want to do is just, they're, every kid has, like, ADHD, and they just want to talk to these other kids.

• 54:56Speaker 03

  And so it's like dangling candy in front of a kid's face, probably, you know, just like, "You can't eat it, you can't eat," you know? And it just sucks, because you just have to sit there. And even I, like, I was 30 years old when I was in there. And even me, I was tempted just to be like, "I just want to talk to these kids," you know, like, they're just sitting, right? It'd be so easy just to talk to them, but you can't. You're just sitting there, like, and it was terrible. Um, it was really sad. The saddest part for me too was, like, you just, they said every kid is suicidal in there, um, which is like, terror, like, because you just see these kids with no hope, because they're like, I don't know, like, I had a pretty good childhood, I'd say, like, I did a lot of sports and stuff, I had a lot of friends, and

• 55:41Speaker 03

  went on a lot of adventures, and, like, they say childhood's, like, the best time of your life, and like, these kids are just getting that robbed from them, you know, and it's, it was just so sad to see, like, like, picturing my childhood, and then, like, when I was sitting in, like, the solitary, you know, because I was in solitary confinement for, like, 30 hours, and just for no reason, uh, because I, they had, they thought I was gay, I guess, so solitary confinement's the way, I, I don't know, uh, like, um, just like picturing what my childhood was like, and then, like, looking at these kids just, like, sitting there, it was so sad. Uh, I don't know, it was probably one of the worst experiences of my life, but...

• 56:22Speaker 02

  Are they beating on the kids?

• 56:26Speaker 03

  So there's stories of it. We didn't witness that.

• 56:31Speaker 03

  But yeah, we didn't witness that there, but they do what's called restraints, I guess. And they were like, in the training, they were bragging about the restraints. So they would be like, yeah, like if you tell this kid to sit down, he doesn't sit down. Like the protocol is we're gonna like restrain him. And sometimes these restraints will last up to forty five minutes, you know? So they get down and they would like practice like how to restrain the kids and stuff and uh, they try and do it in a way that doesn't hurt the kids, I guess. But I mean, obviously there's stories where like kids have died from it and stuff and

• 57:04Speaker 03

  I think that's also led to the provocating getting shut down. No, sorry, that was a different school that got shut down. Uh, it was like a sister school owned by the same company, I think, where uh, I think the kid like threw a brownie or something and then they went and like did a restrain on him, but they were like choking him and he ended up dying.

• 57:22Speaker 03

  And then he was, the only reason he was in there was because uh, his parents died, I think. So they're like, oh, where should we send him? He wasn't even a bad kid. They just sent him there because like his parents, he was like a foster kid and they just killed him.

• 57:35Speaker 02

  Holy shit.

• 57:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was crazy.

• 57:37Speaker 02

  Where did that happen?

• 57:39Speaker 03

  I don't know. I'd have to look that up, but I remember that was a very famous story. When I started researching it, that was like a big story that kept coming up.

• 57:49Speaker 03

  But yeah, that was really sad.

• 57:51Speaker 02

  How many kids were in there when you got there?

• 57:55Speaker 03

  I think three hundred.

• 57:57Speaker 02

  Three hundred?

• 57:58Speaker 03

  I think a hundred fifty boys, a hundred fifty girls, I think, yeah.

• 58:02Speaker 02

  Are you conversing with them? You talking with them?

• 58:04Speaker 03

  No, I didn't talk to a single one.

• 58:07Speaker 02

  Why not?

• 58:08Speaker 03

  Because you're not allowed to.

• 58:10Speaker 02

  So even outside of solitary confinement, there's no socialization?

• 58:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, I don't think so. He'd be like, go to bed, no talking. And then we'd have to go to bed and like, I think some of the kids would like talk and then you'd come in like yell at them.

• 58:26Speaker 03

  Yeah, I just didn't talk. Which was nice because I was like, I was kind of scared that they were gonna tell I wasn't like seventeen years old. Because that's like the oldest you're allowed to be is seventeen in there. And I'm thirty years old. So I was like, it was kind of nice because then they couldn't like catch that I was thirty years old.

• 58:46Speaker 03

  But I just kind of just sat in silence the whole time. I guess there was a couple of times where the teacher would talk to us and he'd be like, like, what are your goals for today? And he'd be like, I'm gonna try to go to sleep without talking to anyone. This is what I think I said my goal was.

• 59:05Speaker 03

  They're like, I'm gonna be a good kid today. I don't know. And that's like pretty much all I would say the whole day.

• 59:11Speaker 02

  Are they teaching? What are they teaching?

• 59:14Speaker 03

  So I never got to experience school. I escaped before school started because I was just in solitary confinement the whole time. But Sheldon, he was in school for a lot of it. And he said they would, have you heard of like what they call riz brain rot TikToks?

• 59:30Speaker 03

  I haven't really heard of it either, but it's basically, so what the kids are watching nowadays is they would watch YouTube compilations of these like fifteen second TikToks, which is I don't even know how to describe it. It's definitely not educational. I guess the audience can look up riz brain rot and look it up for themselves, but

• 59:55Speaker 03

  how do you describe brain rot to someone who doesn't know what brain rot is? I guess you can, it's just, it's, it's like a kind of self-describe it. It's content that rots your brain.

• 1:00:06Speaker 02

  That's what they're doing?

• 1:00:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, I guess they're just playing that for kids and stuff. At least that's what Sheldon said. They were

• 1:00:12Speaker 02

  For how long?

• 1:00:12Speaker 03

  The whole day. I guess just like eight hours. They're just play it because, I mean, Sheldon got hired as a teacher and

• 1:00:18Speaker 02

  So they would take these kids in and sit them in front of brain rot TikTok shit for eight hours a day.

• 1:00:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:00:27Speaker 02

  From in solitary confinement.

• 1:00:28Speaker 03

  These aren't teachers. They don't know how to teach, I guess. I don't know. I guess the only thing I was told when I got there was the teacher pulls me aside and he's like, hey, like, class is gonna start tomorrow. And he's like, class is gonna be a joke to you. Like, it's a joke, but you have to do it, you know? And that's what the teacher told me. So, yeah, it's kind of unbelievable, but

• 1:00:52Speaker 03

  and then they, they give you a fake diploma at the end. They're like, you graduated. Congratulations. You can't

• 1:00:58Speaker 02

  So there's no

• 1:00:59Speaker 03

  In college or anything.

• 1:01:00Speaker 02

  Like math, literature.

• 1:01:02Speaker 03

  From my understanding, I don't think so.

• 1:01:04Speaker 02

  Nothing. Holy shit.

• 1:01:07Speaker 03

  And some of the sister companies, from what I heard, they'll have uh,

• 1:01:12Speaker 03

  they would take exams. So you learn by taking the test. So instead of giving you the material to learn, they'll just give you the test. And then you just learn what the answer is. So you'll be like, okay, like you, you will get it wrong. You're like, okay, number one was fourteen. And it's like the answer to number one is fourteen. So you're not really reading the question. You're just memorizing what the answers are. And then that way, okay, when I take the test again, now I can get all the right answers, you know? So you're not really learning anything. You're just learning how to take the test, I guess.

• 1:01:41Speaker 02

  I mean, when you're like, when you're in there and your buddy's in there and you guys are, you know, turning this into, you know, a video. What's, what's, do you feel like any kind of responsibility to save these kids that are in there? I mean, this is messed up shit.

• 1:01:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was so sad. Yeah, it's

• 1:02:04Speaker 03

  this is probably one of the hardest videos ever filmed. The first reason is because, yeah, you're dealing with kids under eighteen. So it's like, I wanted so bad to be like, I pitched this to Sheldon as like a joke and instantly we're like, we can't do this. But we're gonna be like getting all the kids together and be like, if we all escape, like we can all get away and I'll return you, like I'll, I'll send footage to the kids' parents and we'll show them what's really going on inside. And then we'll all escape and we'll all return the kids back to their parents and stuff and but then it's like, but then if I escape, now I'm some thirty year old who just kidnapped all these seventeen year olds because they're they, they have legal custody of these kids, like the parents signed their rights away for this corporation to have custody of the kids. So now I've literally just kidnapped all these kids from this place.

• 1:02:49Speaker 03

  And that makes me like a bad person. So I don't know. It was very complicated, you know, it's like, I want to do the right thing, but I also don't want to screw this, you know, because what do they say, like the the road to hell is paved with good intentions or something, you know, like I didn't want to do that where it's like, okay, we're trying to do a good thing, but ultimately we just do a terrible thing. So we had to be smart about how we pulled it off, I guess. So we couldn't just act impulsively and be like, oh, let's all escape and let's, let's all free these kids, you know, like we like, it sounds like a good idea. And then you think about it for thirty seconds.

• 1:03:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, but I mean, you know, do you, do you think about where you could get this material to? Who, who could be reported to? I mean?

• 1:03:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, um, I mean, that was the goal. Yeah, to shut them down. I think I after they got shut down, I made a video. I was like, we're just like, well, that was easy. Like we thought we were gonna have to go on this like huge adventure to shut them down. Uh, because that's like kind of our brand is we don't really stop until there's like a satisfying ending. And the satisfying ending with this was like, we were just weren't gonna stop until it got shut down. And it just happened way faster than we expected.

• 1:03:55Speaker 02

  Do you feel like you educated uh, uh, an audience about you know, maybe some parents on what is actually going on? Or do you think these people's parents even give a shit?

• 1:04:06Speaker 03

  I think it's fifty fifty. Um, like Paris Hilton's parents still are like, we're glad we sent Paris Hilton there. Like this was best for her, you know? Because I think, I think half the parents are able to see like, okay, this is messed up, you know? And the other half are like,

• 1:04:26Speaker 03

  by them saying that it's wrong, they would be admitting that they did something bad. And I think that's a hard pill for a lot of parents to swallow. Like, we ruined three years of our kid's life because we couldn't be better parents.

• 1:04:39Speaker 02

  That's pretty substantial.

• 1:04:41Speaker 03

  I think a lot of parent, it's easier for parents to lie and just be like, like, lie to themselves and be like, this was a good place for my kid. Like, my kid deserved to go here because the alternative is too hard for them to, like, it's too like big of a truth for them to understand, I guess.

• 1:05:00Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:05:02Speaker 02

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• 1:06:16Speaker 02

  All right, Ben. So we're wrapping up the Provo infiltration. But I'm curious. I mean, you escaped it. That place sounds you escaped. It seemed like it's pretty easy the way you describe it. I mean, you got away.

• 1:06:30Speaker 03

  I'm like a pretty good parkour athlete, I guess. So I like rock climb. So it was easy for me. I could see it being hard for the average person. Um, but I think you probably do it. I think it also comes with like, what happens after you escape, right? Like you're just some kid alone and 20 degree weather in Utah. Cause it was really, I guess if they escape in the summer, it's not bad. But when I did it was 20 degrees, like, like you have no money on you, no phone. Uh, like, what do you, like, how do you get, how do you eat dinner? You know? Um, like, where do you go? How do you sleep? Um, so I think that's probably the hardest part of escaping.

• 1:07:13Speaker 03

  Um, cause you can't go back to your parents. They'll just send you back to Provo Canyon, probably.

• 1:07:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, I guess that makes sense. Well, let's move to ideal living. This sounds

• 1:07:26Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:07:27Speaker 02

  Really bad.

• 1:07:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, it, it's kind of crazy. I saw the email and I was like, these people are out of their minds, you know, but

• 1:07:38Speaker 02

  So hold on, before we go on, what is ideal living for the audience?

• 1:07:41Speaker 03

  Ideal living is a company that makes air purifiers and water purifiers. And they're just some, they, I think they do a lot of charity and stuff. So they're seen as like a good company. Uh, when the wildfires happened in California, they were donating a bunch of air purifiers to help people breathe better. And um, yeah, they're just seen as like this, like heartwarming company that just helps the community out. And, uh, I got an email saying that they're actually, the only reason this company exists is to fund the world's biggest human trafficking ring. And I was like, ah, but then they sent an email like, hey, we have all the, like, I used to work at this company. I was, I was the CEO's assistant.

• 1:08:24Speaker 03

  And I know basically everything that goes on and I have all this evidence. If you don't believe me, like, we can put all the evidence, we can go for everything. And I was like, okay. So I gave him a call and these people are kind of crazy, like just the way they like explain, like they seem like conspiracy theorists. You know, like just the way they talk, they're like, whoa, and like

• 1:08:44Speaker 02

  People on the inside of the company?

• 1:08:46Speaker 03

  Yeah. Well, they don't work there anymore. Apparently they like whistleblowed to the head guy and they, uh, got fired for doing that. But, um, yeah, basically they just seem like crazy people. At first I was like, okay, but then everything they said, they could back up with evidence. So I was like, okay, I'll document their side and then I'll document ideal living side. You know, I'll just share both sides of the story. And I shared their side and then I tried to get ideal living side. And they were like, yeah, we're going to call the cops on you if you, uh, keep asking us about this. And

• 1:09:26Speaker 03

  I was like, gosh dang it. So I put the video out without sharing their side. Then finally they were like, okay, now you have to share our side or we're going to sue you. So basically their whole side, well, I did like an hour long video on it, but their whole side boils down to like, no, we're not doing a human trafficking ring. And they gave me like all this evidence and every single piece of evidence is because like the CEO said so in court. So like the CEO testified in court that it's not true. So, and you can't lie in court. Cause that's illegal. It's like their whole argument. So, uh, right now it doesn't look too good for them, I'd say, but, uh, yeah, it's pretty interesting story. Uh, it's weird because this is like the most viral thing I've ever done, like by long, like it's gotten the most views of anything.

• 1:10:10Speaker 03

  But it's also like the least talked about thing that I've done.

• 1:10:13Speaker 02

  How many views?

• 1:10:14Speaker 03

  Uh, so the two videos have, I think, like 37 million views or something on them combined.

• 1:10:20Speaker 02

  37 million views?

• 1:10:21Speaker 03

  Yeah. It's the, it's by far the biggest viewed thing I've ever done. But no one's reacting to it online. No one's like, no news stations are picking. It's weird how like, it's the least talked about thing I've done. Even though everyone's like seeing it's so weird. Uh, so I don't know if people are like scared to talk about it or, um,

• 1:10:43Speaker 02

  So they're suing you? Are they suing you?

• 1:10:47Speaker 03

  Basically they sent me a very scary like email, basically being like, you got everything wrong. Like here's these seven bullet points of what you got wrong. And if you don't share our side, then we're going to use like applicable remedies or something like lawyer speak, I guess. Um, basically like share our side or we'll sue you is like the dumbed down version, I guess. Um, so I shared their side, uh, which was, we're right because we said so. Um, but yeah, maybe more will come out now that I just, I just posted that video. So they haven't responded to that video yet. So maybe they'll actually be able to give me some evidence or something, but uh, I, a lot of like people have come out of the company saying like, yeah, I was in the room with this guy.

• 1:11:32Speaker 03

  And he wanted to like molest these kids. And so he said, like, in order to like, how do we do this? You create a religion, but how do you fund the religion? We have to create companies like, you guys, you guys are smart people and like you figure out a way to fund this. And so they came up with a thing called the miracle blade, which according to them, it's like a miracle because they're pretending that it's a religion. It's like a miracle, you know? And, uh, I feel like everyone sort of the miracle blade. It's like a really popular thing, but apparently that was created to fund this thing. And then that company, there was some like problems. I'm not really sure what the problems were, but it was like open businesses and then like transfer all the assets to another business to like defraud creditors.

• 1:12:17Speaker 02

  So what is, hold on. So what did you do? Did you infiltrate the company?

• 1:12:22Speaker 03

  Uh, we were, we, we have some footage of the inside that we haven't released yet. Uh, of not the company, but the, like the JKP group, which is the like religion, I guess. Basically they believe that he's like Jesus, I guess. So he's in a human body, but he is God is what they believe. So this guy's

• 1:12:42Speaker 02

  You have footage of this?

• 1:12:43Speaker 03

  Uh, yeah, we have and they're like, well, he died, I guess a couple of years ago because he was like 90 years old. But they have a cardboard cutout of them that they like worship. They're like feeding them cake and stuff and, um,

• 1:12:55Speaker 02

  The employees?

• 1:12:57Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah. So the employees of this company all are a part of this like organization, I guess. And they're, they're like, they're like the high up people, like they all like, they, they run the company, but they also run the organizations. They run both of them, I guess. And I guess from my understanding, the way that

• 1:13:13Speaker 02

  You're saying that allegedly

• 1:13:16Speaker 03

  Uh huh.

• 1:13:17Speaker 02

  This company exists to fund human trafficking to specifically kids.

• 1:13:23Speaker 03

  All the people I've interviewed that, I mean, it's verified that they used to work at this company. That's what they're all saying is that, yeah.

• 1:13:30Speaker 02

  What's the sample size? How many people?

• 1:13:33Speaker 03

  Uh, right now there's like six or seven, but it's a small cut. There's only like 30 people that work at the company. So, uh, it's, I guess compared to the people that work there, it's a lot.

• 1:13:46Speaker 02

  So six or seven people out of a 30 people comp, 30 person company

• 1:13:51Speaker 03

  I'm not

• 1:13:52Speaker 02

  have all reported the same kind of shit going on?

• 1:13:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm not a hundred percent sure. I, I think it's around like 30 people probably, but, uh, yeah, there's been about six or seven past employees have come out.

• 1:14:04Speaker 02

  And so where did you go? Where did, how did you, how do you come in?

• 1:14:08Speaker 03

  They just emailed me. I just shared their story.

• 1:14:09Speaker 02

  So you just, so you just interviewed them and shared their story?

• 1:14:12Speaker 03

  Yeah. Cause the, the claim was, is that this was supposed to be like a big news story and stuff. And then, I mean, the guy is like a billionaire at the top and he's like pretty powerful, I guess. So what they were telling me is that because he has power, he's able to kill the story every time a big news station is going to like air it. So they were like, no news station can air this story. Like every time, like we get so close and then every single time they always just don't air the story, you know, and we can't find out why. So my big stunt was just like, I'm going to be the first one to air this story, you know?

• 1:14:49Speaker 03

  Like, uh, if, if no big, like major networks can air it, then for whatever reason, I'm just going to air it and see what happens, you know, like, so that it didn't really like require me to like infiltrate anything. This was, the big stunt on this one was kind of just like

• 1:15:03Speaker 02

  Breaking the story?

• 1:15:04Speaker 03

  Yeah. Cause that was the stunt, you know?

• 1:15:06Speaker 02

  So what, how did you get on the inside then? Where did the footage come from?

• 1:15:10Speaker 03

  Uh, we would just, they have a temple. It's like a ashram. So

• 1:15:14Speaker 02

  At the company?

• 1:15:16Speaker 03

  No, it's the, the organization is called JKP. It stands for Jagga Guru Karpalu Parashat. So the guys that he's Indian. So it's an Indian name like Karpalu. Um, and then Jagga Guru means like God walking on earth. So, um, that's like what the, it's like the name of their religion. Uh, they, they were trying to get like actual religious status from what I was reading, but, uh, because there was like so many miracle blades everywhere. When the IRS came, they were like, this isn't a religion. This is a company. So they didn't really get tax exempt like they wanted to. So it is kind of from my understanding, the same thing, like company, religion is kind of the same thing, I guess. Um, it's all the same, like the same people are at the top that like are both things, but

• 1:16:01Speaker 03

  the lawyers are trying to argue they're two separate things and they're like, I don't know, but there's a lot of mixture between the two things. And so we went to the ashram, which is, uh, where they do like their religious services. And all our footage was from the inside there, like talking to the high up, like execs of ideal, because they all run the, they, they both run the same thing. So we were able to talk to all of them there. We didn't have to pretend

• 1:16:25Speaker 02

  So how did you get in there?

• 1:16:27Speaker 03

  We just walked in.

• 1:16:28Speaker 02

  Why would they talk to you?

• 1:16:29Speaker 03

  Uh, we said, hey, we're interested in your religion.

• 1:16:31Speaker 02

  You just walked up to their temple?

• 1:16:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:16:34Speaker 02

  Who supposedly, according to the people that you've interviewed is the biggest child trafficking ring.

• 1:16:42Speaker 03

  Well, I think most of the people there don't think it's bad. So they just

• 1:16:48Speaker 02

  What do you mean they don't think it's bad?

• 1:16:50Speaker 03

  Yeah. They just think it's a religion. They actually think he's a God walking on earth. So they actually think that this guy was a God. Um,

• 1:16:57Speaker 02

  Why do they think that?

• 1:17:00Speaker 03

  Because that's how they were raised because this has been going on for I think 80 years or something. Maybe like 70, 80 years. And so they just grew up like kind of like I was saying earlier, like I think a lot of people are just grown up to be like, hey, this is the truth. And don't question it or else it's bad, you know? And so that's probably what happened with a lot of these people. They just grew up, hey, this guy is our God, you know, like Karpalu, he is God in human form. So and they were told not to question it because questioning it is evil, you know? And why would you question that? Like? Do you not have faith? You know, like, why are you quite, you vilify asking questions? And

• 1:17:44Speaker 03

  and so I think a lot of them believe it and they don't know that. So a lot of the like sex trafficking happened behind closed doors. So from what I was told,

• 1:17:58Speaker 03

  they would say like, okay, I think it's to be in a Gogi is what it's called is like a highest spiritual, basically like it's kind of like their way of getting to heaven, I guess. And so in order to become more spiritual, you could have sex with the Swami, the God. And so basically like you're getting God's love, you know? But the problem is these aren't consenting adults that are doing this. These are like, he's doing this to like nine year olds, like 13 year olds.

• 1:18:27Speaker 03

  And so that's like where it's like a big problem, you know, and it's like really bad. And so your average person that shows up to the church isn't seeing that because it's happening behind closed doors, you know, but so if I'm just like some like 25 year old male showing up, I would never know that that was happening, you know, because I'm not his target person he's going after. And then for the females, it's like, first off, you think you're getting God's love, you're right. So, oh, this is a way for me to get to heaven, even if I don't like it, it's like, oh, I'm gonna do it anyways, because I, it's worth it. You have to sacrifice in order to get to heaven, you know, and then another thing too, is especially in India, if you've been raped, it's

• 1:19:10Speaker 03

  it's like really hard to get a husband later in life because they see that as, oh, you're impure now, you know, like, and so a lot of these women just wouldn't tell people because they're afraid of like, oh, like society is going to treat me differently now because it's seen as like a bigger deal over there. And so a lot of them just wouldn't say anything. So I think a lot of the people just don't know, you know?

• 1:19:36Speaker 03

  But yeah, because I think there's like, even though there's like been, they're claiming there's been thousands and thousands of victims because it's happened for I think 80 years. And then they were saying they were raping like three kids a day or something for like, so it's like thousands of people. But there's 100 million people in this organization. So yeah, it's, it's huge. Yeah. So

• 1:20:01Speaker 02

  Hold on, how does a company with 30 people that you're saying coincides with a religion have 100 million people?

• 1:20:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, the company was just to fund it. So they're pumping

• 1:20:17Speaker 03

  I mean, the guy is a billionaire. So just from this company. So this company makes them a lot of money and that money goes to the organizations. They can like build ashrams and they have these huge giant temples that are like super beautiful. And like attracts people. So I'd say most people that are part of it probably don't know what's going on, you know? But yeah, I mean, the company, the 30 people at the company, their main focus with the company is to make these air purifiers and water purifiers. But they all just so happen like, it's not all of them too. It's like just a couple of people at the top, maybe like six or seven of them at the top that

• 1:20:57Speaker 03

  like the people that run Ideal Living also run JKP and they're very high up like leaders in JKP. And they funnel the money through to JKP. So

• 1:21:08Speaker 02

  What do you think?

• 1:21:13Speaker 03

  I think

• 1:21:15Speaker 03

  they've shown me a lot of evidence for that to be true. And unless Ideal Living shows me evidence for it not to be true, I think it's

• 1:21:21Speaker 02

  What evidence have you seen that's that makes you believe it's true?

• 1:21:26Speaker 03

  So Peter is the CEO of Ideal Living and he is a CEO of Ideal Living, but he's also the treasurer of JKP. So he handles all the money of JKP.

• 1:21:39Speaker 03

  I mean, they have billions of like, I guess they have this trust. They showed me this trust in India where they put like billions of dollars and it's they claim it's to do like tax fraud and stuff, but they also claim it's to like give them all the money. It's hard for me to recount because it's so like convoluted. The biggest one I'd say is this interview with Joe Kelly. He's one of the guys who's like in the organization, but also is like really high up at the company. And he was in the room when Saraswati told him like, hey, like, we want to make this a big religion. So how do we do that? Like, let's make infomercial companies. Like, your job is to go make companies so we can have money.

• 1:22:21Speaker 03

  And so

• 1:22:24Speaker 03

  yeah. And so then when I asked Ideal Living, I was like, hey, what about what Joe Kelly is saying about you guys? And they're like, we are not going to debate this, like just take it out of your video. Like they, they don't even comment on why it's wrong. So it's like, if, if it was wrong, they should just tell me like, oh, he's lying or something. They won't even say that. So it seems like they agree also with what he's saying, or else they would have corrected me on it.

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• 1:24:07Speaker 02

  So is this a, is this like an active lawsuit?

• 1:24:10Speaker 03

  I don't know. Apparently they sue everyone that talks bad about them. And I've probably made the biggest hit piece on them they've ever seen. But they haven't sued me. So I don't, I don't know if they like, there's like companies are starting to learn now that like by suing me, it's just like helping me.

• 1:24:26Speaker 03

  Because like every time I get sued, it's just like great for me, you know, like I just get more public support. And it just ends up like going to discovery or whatever. And then now they have to produce a bunch of documents like that would be horrible for them if they had to do that, I'm assuming. So

• 1:24:40Speaker 02

  How many times have you been sued?

• 1:24:44Speaker 03

  I get threatened to be, I get served papers, probably every single video I've like ever done since like day one with Scientology. They tried suing me for like a million dollars, but I always find a way out of it, you know, I always find like a creative way that no one would ever see coming.

• 1:25:02Speaker 03

  Like I usually just find out like, because here's my, my thought process. So bad companies exist for a reason, right? Because if they were just bad and nothing else with no loopholes, then we, why would they exist? Like, we don't want bad things. We would just be like, hey, don't exist anymore. But they exist because they're probably smart enough to come up with some type of like loophole to stay around. So I usually find out whatever loophole they're using and then do it back onto them to see how they like it. So whatever loopholes like these bad companies use to avoid getting sued, I just do the same thing back to them and

• 1:25:34Speaker 02

  Give me an example.

• 1:25:35Speaker 03

  So Scientology

• 1:25:40Speaker 03

  is, when I was really dissecting it, my conclusion was this is a business hiding behind a religion. So they're selling you these courses and stuff that are completely fake, like the first course I did was you have to be in a sauna for anywhere from four to eight hours a day to sweat out your, your bad memories and your toxins, you know, like if something bad, traumatic happened to me, you can actually sweat that out. Which I think Harvard did a study. They said you should only be in a sauna for 15 to 20 minutes. Anything past that is unhealthy for you. And yeah, our bodies have toxins, but you don't, I think it's like, like one microgram will come out through like a sauna, like, like a thing, you know, of like toxins.

• 1:26:22Speaker 03

  But 99.999999% of your toxins just come out when you pee, you know, that's how you get like, when you use the bathroom, that's how you get your toxins out. And sweating out is nothing compared to just using the bathroom. So that's fake science. And if they sold that class, if anyone else sold that class, you could sue them for false advertising. But you can't sue Scientology. And the reason is they're a religion and they believe for it to be true. So if you sue Scientology for, for that class, you're discriminating them against their religion because you don't respect their beliefs. So, okay, how can I use that against them? So Scientology suing me for my video I made on them. So I was like, okay,

• 1:27:02Speaker 03

  what if I just do the same thing? So I went to the IRS website. I made my own religion. We call it the Church of Scientology Sucks. It got approved. So if you go on the IRS, you can still look it up. It's Scientology Sucks is our real religion that is IRS approved. And we just believe Scientology sucks. So by them suing us for what we said in our document, they're discriminating us against our religion. They're, they're saying our beliefs are invalid. And so they can't sue us anymore. And the detectives actually ruled in our favor on that.

• 1:27:34Speaker 02

  Holy shit. Do you have an attorney?

• 1:27:38Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:27:38Speaker 02

  You're doing all this by yourself?

• 1:27:40Speaker 03

  That's why I did it because I, I didn't have, I was homeless, living in my car when I did this video. I didn't have money for lawyers. So like, I gotta find some other way out of this, I guess.

• 1:27:50Speaker 02

  Oh my gosh.

• 1:27:51Speaker 03

  But yeah, in the formula works, like literally every single bad company has some type of loophole that I can just also use against them. It's happened to every single video.

• 1:28:02Speaker 03

  But yeah.

• 1:28:03Speaker 02

  So you've been sued for just about every video you've done?

• 1:28:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, the only one was the 12 tribes. They, they believe that God will punish me, not the law. They don't believe in the law, like the human law, you know, so they think laws are stupid. They're like, God will punish you. So they're the only ones that didn't sue me.

• 1:28:22Speaker 02

  Wow. And nothing, nothing has stuck so far?

• 1:28:26Speaker 03

  Um, just the bricks and minifigs one, that one we're still dealing with. But, um, yeah, I think I'm gonna win. Uh, I mean, we did an anti slap suit, which is basically, uh, so a slap suit is when they silence for what I'm saying. So I made a documentary on them and they're suing me for that. For like exposing them for doing a bad thing. So anti slap is an anti doing that. And then if that gets approved, which I think by the end of the month, we'll find out if it's approved or not, then it's gonna be exciting to see.

• 1:28:59Speaker 02

  And you're just filing all this stuff yourself?

• 1:29:02Speaker 03

  No, I have lawyers now.

• 1:29:03Speaker 02

  Oh, okay.

• 1:29:04Speaker 03

  But I finally did get a lawyer after the bricks and minifigs one, the whole, I had like, the whole internet was like, kinda hating on the fact that I was just doing everything myself, because I thought it was cool to do everything myself, you know? I was like, I don't want to get lawyers involved. I wanted to do it from the perspective of like, just some kids sitting at home. Like, I like my stuff to feel like it's like a high school project, just on steroids, you know? Like, I'm going up against like a human trafficking ring, or I'm gonna take down this corporation, like, but like, kind of the like fantasy of like a high school project, taking on such a big project like that. So I like to present it in that way. And like, I like my methods to be, like, anyone at home could just be sitting watching, like, oh, I could have done that, you know, like, he didn't have a million dollar budget behind him. He just had his creativity, you know?

• 1:29:47Speaker 03

  And I, I think it's like an inspiring thing to inspire people to also be more creative and not use excuses of why they can't do things. But, um, so I was like, I'm not gonna get a lawyer, you know, because then if I win, people will be like, oh, he had a lawyer do everything for him. So I was like, I'm gonna beat this without a lawyer. And then everyone was like, no, you have to get a lawyer, like, they're gonna screw you and stuff. And the whole internet kinda said I had to do it. So I was like, okay, this is one time I'll put money into a lawyer and then, yeah, it's crazy, because like, the bricks and minifigs video I did, I think we had like less than a $2,000 total spending on that whole video, like, which basically it was just like gas money to drive up there and like food and the Airbnb is like, that whole video's budget. And then the lawyer, I think I've spent like a quarter million dollars on a lawyer so far.

• 1:30:31Speaker 03

  Just from that video.

• 1:30:33Speaker 02

  You've spent a quarter of a million dollars?

• 1:30:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:30:36Speaker 02

  Okay, what is this?

• 1:30:37Speaker 03

  Why'd you get two criminal defense lawyers for, uh, because I made a GoFundMe and I tried to serve in court papers. Those are two separate charges. Oh, and then, uh, they said that I tried to burn the building down in Provo, which obviously I didn't do. So I had three criminal cases that I had to have lawyers fight. And then, uh, just the civil lawyer, the civil lawyer is like the expensive one. They're suing me for Rico charges. So I think that's kind of expensive, I guess, uh, just because we had like six days of mediation and that just, each, I mean, the lawyers, it's like almost a thousand dollars an hour. And if you're in mediation for 10 hours a day for six days, it's insane. And every single thing the lawyer does, it costs money. It's like if, uh,

• 1:31:20Speaker 03

  like, if they want to watch my video for context, like, I think the bricks and minifigs video is like four hours long or something, the three videos together. So it's like, that's thirty four thousand dollars just for them to watch the video, you know, and it's insane. And then also, we're trying to take over their whole corporation. So we need lawyers for each store that changes from their brand to our brand. So we've already taken over two stores so far, so we need two lawyers for that. Um, that's a lot of money. It's crazy.

• 1:31:50Speaker 02

  Sheesh.

• 1:31:52Speaker 03

  Yeah. So it is kind of funny, like, the, the video costs this much and the lawyers cost this much.

• 1:32:00Speaker 02

  Damn, man. What do you got coming up?

• 1:32:04Speaker 03

  Um.

• 1:32:04Speaker 02

  What are you excited about?

• 1:32:06Speaker 03

  So, um, we're trying to take over the whole bricks and minifigs corporation, basically, I, I, I just, something I quickly realized after these videos came out is no one wants to shop at bricks and minifigs anymore.

• 1:32:21Speaker 02

  What is it?

• 1:32:22Speaker 03

  Uh, bricks and minifigs. It's a Lego store. So basically this corporation stole.

• 1:32:28Speaker 02

  Oh, I've been hearing about this.

• 1:32:30Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:32:30Speaker 02

  This is, okay.

• 1:32:32Speaker 03

  So there was the world's largest Lego set owned by this family. They put it in a bricks and minifigs to sell. Basically, bricks and minifigs is like GameStop, but for Legos. So they're not affiliated with Lego. They just resell people's Lego sets. So this guy had a collection and then he was like, okay, can you sell this for me? And they keep a percentage and then, but he gets to keep the majority of the sales and they keep a percentage for like a thank you for helping sell it. And, uh, he shows up to the store one day and.

• 1:32:58Speaker 02

  It's a consignment show.

• 1:32:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, consignment. And then he shows up and there's new owners there and he's like, hey, they're like, you guys still selling my stuff? Like, how's it going? Like, can I have my monthly check? And they're like, oh, yeah, like, we took over the store. The old store owner doesn't work here anymore. Um, and these Legos are ours. So if you ask me more questions, we're gonna call the cops on you, like, you're trespassing the store. And he's like, what? It's like confused, like, okay. And so, uh, uh, basically he was like, he like calls him back. He's like, you sure you don't just want to give the Legos back? And they're like, if you want, you can sue us, but by suing us, it's gonna cost you more money than this Lego collection's worth. It's gonna cost you like half a million dollars to sue us. So you probably should just let us keep these Legos.

• 1:33:42Speaker 03

  And he's like, oh my gosh. So he didn't know what to do. So he contacted me about it. And, uh, yeah, we basically made a documentary just showing the whole thing. We got into some crazy schemes, I guess, but.

• 1:33:55Speaker 02

  Like what?

• 1:33:56Speaker 03

  Um, I don't know. So one thing is the police were saying it was civil instead of criminal, uh, which means the police can't do anything. You have to sue them. So I saw, I was reading through, this happened in Oregon. So I was reading through the Oregon state laws of like what civil crimes are and criminal crimes. And one thing I saw that was a criminal crime was stealing from a lottery. So I made a state approved lottery. We got approved by the state and we auctioned off one of, uh, his Lego sets. That was like, I think it was a thousand dollar set, which turns into the felony amount of like theft. So we auctioned off one of his Lego sets and we, a family won it. And then when they went to claim their prize, they didn't give them the Legos, which now it's not civil anymore. It's criminal.

• 1:34:40Speaker 03

  Uh, because if you steal from a lottery, that's criminal. And it was a felony amount. So like, just stuff like that. Um, we did one where, because it was gonna cost them like half a million dollars to sue, like, and I think it takes like two years, two or three years to go up with a full lawsuit. So like, well, instead of doing that, what if we just sue them in small claims court 10 times, you know? Uh, because you get a judgment like pretty much instantly and it costs like a hundred dollars to file. So we sold his debt to 10 of my friends and then we all made 10 lawsuits. And so we were all able to individually sue for the amount. And we just did a bunch of like crazy schemes like that. And, uh,

• 1:35:21Speaker 03

  eventually I put a documentary out and it, it became like the biggest, like, story on the whole internet, I think. It's probably like the story of the year this year and like internet news at least. And, um, and so the thing that like, which is good for him getting his Legos back, but it's bad for all the franchise owners that are now working with bricks and minifigs because, uh, basically the whole bricks and minifigs, like, like, because it was the number one store and everyone knows that, like, corporate is thieves now, uh, it's like ruined your name. So if you put like the bricks and minifigs logo on your store, no one wants to shop there. Because people know that by shopping there, 6% of every sale goes to corporate. And, oh, we don't want to support corporate. So we're just,

• 1:36:06Speaker 03

  so, so even though it's gonna like hurt the franchise owners, people are still not shopping there. And it's like, the people that are really hurting is these franchise owners that did nothing wrong. Like, they didn't steal these Legos. So I was like, okay, how do we help these people out? And so we were just joking one day. We're like, what if we, what if we make up reckless bricks? We could make our own store called reckless bricks and then we convince them to, to change their branding. And for every store that changes, uh, they'll give, basically, they're paying corporate to use like a logo that hurts their sales. So the pitch is, well, if you put reckless bricks, like, the internet is like loving what I'm doing. So that,

• 1:36:49Speaker 03

  like, you'll probably get way more sales, you know, because people want to support reckless bricks. And then I won't take anything. You just give me 0%, you know, like, I won't take anything. And so they'll make more money by, it'll have a better brand. It'll make more money doing it, you know? They won't have to pay for it. And so, uh, we took over two stores, um, just because a lot of the franchise owners are like scared to leave because they're like, oh, corporate's gonna sue us. So we set them up with lawyers and stuff and, um, I guess after this video comes out, the hope is, is that like more stores will like see it and want to change. And uh, I think we have like 30 or something, 30 or 40 stores that want to change right now. And the video hasn't even come out yet. So I think once the video comes out, they're probably all gonna want to change. And then it's kind of like, uh, oh, they can't stop us all type of thing, you know, like.

• 1:37:35Speaker 02

  Damn, dude.

• 1:37:35Speaker 03

  If they all change, I don't think they can stop them all. But it's kind of like a science experiment, like, we don't really know what's gonna happen. We're just kind of doing it and documenting the results, I guess.

• 1:37:44Speaker 02

  That's a hell of a wave you've created.

• 1:37:46Speaker 03

  Yeah, but it's rated like a half a billion dollar corporation. Uh, so I might just be the owner of like a half a billion dollar corporation, which is crazy. I was just like some stupid broke YouTuber before this, you know, and I might own this. I don't think I'd make any money because I'm taking 0%, but I would, I would be taking 0% of half a billion corporation that I would own. But I feel like it's like a big responsibility, I guess. But, um, yeah, it might happen. But it's funny. It's like, it's just like, like, just something like me and my friends were joking about. And now it might actually happen, I guess.

• 1:38:22Speaker 02

  Dude, that's crazy.

• 1:38:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's insane. So that's, that's what's next for me, I guess. Um, but yeah, I would be the first CEO that takes 0%.

• 1:38:35Speaker 02

  God bless you.

• 1:38:36Speaker 03

  Of my company. I, I own a company and take 0% stake, I guess.

• 1:38:41Speaker 02

  Man.

• 1:38:43Speaker 02

  That's powerful dude.

• 1:38:44Speaker 03

  As long as I can make my YouTube videos, I'm happy, I guess.

• 1:38:48Speaker 02

  You like doing this?

• 1:38:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, um, yeah, it's really fun. I don't know, I don't really think I do anything for video. I just do it because it's fun and then kind of like a side effect of what I do is I get a cool video out of it. I've always just done crazy things my whole life, I guess, and then like, it's kind of cool to share the crazy things I do with the world now, so.

• 1:39:11Speaker 03

  It's fun.

• 1:39:12Speaker 02

  Just feel good helping people like that?

• 1:39:14Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah, it's fun. I don't know. Yeah, ultimately, I just like doing things that are fun and like I just like going on adventures and stuff, but I think helping people is kind of the ultimate adventure, you know, because there's like a problem they can't solve. I'm like, oh, I'll be the one to solve your problem, you know, and it's just like fun. Um, and then it's, it is like a cool like reward because then it's like, oh, if I help them and they're happy and you feel like, I don't know, like when other people are happy, I'm happy, you know?

• 1:39:42Speaker 02

  Makes you feel good.

• 1:39:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm a very like empathetic person. Like I feel like my mood is kind of like of like determined by how like other people's mood is. So if other people are sad, then I'm like really sad. But if other people are happy, then I'm really happy. So.

• 1:39:58Speaker 02

  Right on, man.

• 1:39:58Speaker 03

  That's good to make people happy, I think.

• 1:40:01Speaker 02

  Well, Ben, this was awesome.

• 1:40:02Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:40:03Speaker 02

  Thanks for coming, man.

• 1:40:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, thanks for having me. This is an awesome podcast.

• 1:40:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's my pleasure. Um, yeah, I'd love to have you again sometime.

• 1:40:10Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm down.

• 1:40:11Speaker 02

  Give me some time, get some more stuff and.

• 1:40:13Speaker 03

  Well, I definitely have a lot of crazy things planned. I think I have 10 videos already filmed that I just haven't edited yet. So definitely have some crazy stuff that no one knows about in the future. I could probably tell you off camera, but I can't tell you yet. Some of it's like very illegal, probably, and we're waiting for statute of limitations on some of it, but some of them end very, very soon. So and then it's like, oh, you can't get us anymore. Statute of limitations is up, so.

• 1:40:39Speaker 02

  You're a smart dude. Cheers, man.

• 1:40:42Speaker 03

  Thanks. Yeah. Oh, thanks.

• 1:40:56Speaker 02

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