#285 Father Chad Ripperger - Inside the Most Disturbing Exorcism Cases

Father Chad Ripperger is a Roman Catholic priest, theologian, philosopher, and exorcist serving in the Archdiocese of Denver. He is the founder and superior general of the Society of the Most Sorrowful Mother (Doloran Fathers), a religious community dedicated to spiritual warfare, deliverance ministry, and the traditional liturgy. Born in Casper, Wyoming, and raised in a devout Catholic family as the youngest of six children, Father Ripperger was ordained in 1997 with the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter (FSSP). In 2012, he established the Doloran Fathers, serving as exorcist for the Diocese of Tulsa from 2012 to 2016 before moving to the Denver Archdiocese, where he continues his ministry. Bound by the discipline of clerical celibacy in the Latin Rite, he frequently teaches on marriage, family, virtue, and the spiritual life. A classically trained Thomist, Father Ripperger holds degrees in theology and philosophy from the University of San Francisco, master’s degrees from both the University of St. Thomas and Holy Apostles College, and a doctorate in philosophy from the Pontifical University of the Holy Cross in Rome. His scholarship and experience make him a respected authority on demonology, angelology, spiritual warfare, and the integration of theological principles with psychology. Through Sensus Traditionis Press, he has authored several influential works, including Deliverance Prayers for Use by the Laity, Dominion, and Introduction to the Science of Mental Health. Known for his clear, no‑nonsense teaching style rooted in Thomistic philosophy and Church tradition, Father Ripperger continues to give talks, conferences, and guidance on prayer, virtue, the sacraments, and protection from spiritual evil. Shawn Ryan Show Sponsors: Go to https://RhoNutrition.com and use code SRS for 20% off. Take advantage of Ridge’s once-a-year anniversary sale and get UP TO 40% Off by going to https://www. Ridge.com/SRS #Ridgepod Join thousands of parents who trust Fabric to help protect their family—apply today in just minutes at https://meetfabric.com/SHAWN Go to https://shopbeam.com/SRS , use code SRS. With my code SRS, you can grab Dream for 50% off. Sign up for your $1 per month trial today at https://shopify.com/srs Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 1:01Shawn Ryan?

  I've been waiting a long time to interview this one.

• 1:06Shawn Ryan?

  Father Chad Ripperger.

• 1:09Shawn Ryan?

  Probably the most premier exorcist in the world right now. And extremely knowledgeable on spiritual warfare.

• 1:20Shawn Ryan?

  Man, such a good interview.

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• 1:48Shawn Ryan?

  Extremely educational. God bless. Cheers.

• 1:58Shawn Ryan?

  Father Chad Ripperger.

• 2:00Speaker 04

  Nice to finally meet you.

• 2:01Shawn Ryan?

  Welcome to the show.

• 2:02Speaker 04

  Thank you.

• 2:03Shawn Ryan?

  It's nice to finally meet you. We've been trying to get you on for over a year and finally made it happen. So, thank you for coming. It's, it's an honor to have you.

• 2:12Speaker 04

  Likewise.

• 2:13Shawn Ryan?

  But, um, but I want to get right into it. So, right before we, we started recording here, we had a little side discussion about UFOs and aliens.

• 2:24Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:25Shawn Ryan?

  And I'm just, I'm curious, what, what do you think about all of that?

• 2:30Speaker 04

  Uh, well, obviously, some of the UFOs can be explained by, some of them, by governmental experiments and things of that sort, which people are not necessarily used to. However, usually when you get into stuff like the abduction cases and things like that, um, I actually did a conference on this more recently, right? Parse out 10 different ways in which if you actually look at like abduction scenarios, um, that in point in fact, those abduction scenarios, uh, if you actually look at what the, the aliens are supposedly doing, is, uh, identical to the same things that demons do in, to people who are possessed. So if you strip the veneer of the alien aspect of it off, that in point in fact, what you're dealing with is just, they're just demons.

• 3:13Speaker 04

  Um, there's actually a book too, I don't know if you've heard about it, it's called Alien Intrusion by Gary Bates. And in that book, he, first of all, he debunks a lot of the sightings that people have actually, uh, the footage and the things of that sort. It's a bit dated of a book, but it, in there, he talks about the fact that too, that people who are in these abduction situations will actually cry out to Jesus and then as a, then boom, all of a sudden the abduction situation stops and they're sitting back in their bed or whatever the case actually is. So there's a lot of demonic stuff on that level. There's some that speculate too, that some of the craft that we see moving in ways that are contrary to physical laws is also just a diabolic mirage, which they can cause. It's, that type of stuff is extraordinarily rare because God doesn't usually permit it,

• 3:57Speaker 04

  but, um, that can actually happen. So that's kind of just my general thoughts and relationship to it, that a lot of this stuff, not all of it, but a lot of this stuff is just, um, diabolic in nature.

• 4:08Shawn Ryan?

  What does God say about it? Is it, does God say that we are the only beings in the universe?

• 4:16Speaker 04

  Well, I mean, ultimately, we the we don't have absolute certitude other than the fact of what we read in Genesis. So in the book of Genesis, the the creation of life is actually restricted or seems to be focused here on earth and nowhere else. My own basic observation is if you look at what NASA is doing and their studies and things like that, everywhere they look, they think, oh, we might have found life, we might, and then they didn't, of course. And I think what we're discovering is is that other than here, the universe is sterile. Now, in theory, God can do whatever he wants, but at least from a scriptural point of view, but then also even science, I think, is starting to prove it out, too, is that we're getting to the point where we're starting to realize that this seems

• 4:58Speaker 04

  to be the only place that you're going to that that it seems to be the case. A lot of times, too, the the the idea that there's life elsewhere is also is heavily rooted in the evolutionary hypothesis, you know, because there's evolution here, there must be everywhere, even though the their their theories of evolution are not only just scientifically problematic, but just even theologically and philosophically problematic. But that all being said, it's that's where it's rooted in, I think.

• 5:29Shawn Ryan?

  You know, with all the, I mean, I'm sure you've seen some of the Epstein stuff. Have you been following that at all?

• 5:36Speaker 04

  A bit, from a distance, yeah.

• 5:38Shawn Ryan?

  That seems like some type of satanic ritualistic type stuff that was going on there.

• 5:43Speaker 04

  Yes, actually. And actually, the stuff I've read about as far as the, you know, to the degree that I can have certitude about what's what you can find on the internet, that stuff that's been that was going on there, and the just the layout of the island gives an indication that it was heavily involved in the occult. The other thing I should mention, too, is is that people don't get heavy into that type of thing. It's the same thing that we've seen elsewhere, where guys who suffer from homosexuality and they're active and they're and they're very heavily active, it very often degenerates into ritualistic sex. It's the same kind of a thing there that it eventually degenerates. Satan ends up just driving them because these these disorder, they're so disordered that he

• 6:26Speaker 04

  gets involved, and then he drives it more towards a ritualistic kind of an approach. So if it wasn't ritualistic, I'd be surprised.

• 6:39Shawn Ryan?

  There's just so many questions about what's going on and it seems like nobody, nobody high up, nobody that could actually do something about this is, is, is going to. In fact, they're just trying to cover it up. In fact, our mutual friend who brought you here today, we've had a handful of discussions about distractions and all the distractions that are going to come to try to take our eye off of the satanic ritualistic abuse that Epstein did and all of his people that were involved with him. Right. And one of the, before any of this came out, our friend said, you know, I think it's going to be, I think it'll be aliens.

• 7:19Shawn Ryan?

  And then, and then, and then we see former President Barack Obama go on some random podcast and say, "Oh yeah, aliens are real." And I brought this up, I, I, I've been really angry about this stuff. And I went up to our, to our oak tree and, and did a little rant about it and said, you know, you think this is a coincidence that there, all of a sudden the president, former president goes on a random podcast that nobody's ever heard of and says that aliens are real? Right in the middle, right in the middle of the biggest, most elite pedophile ring in the entire world, while that's being unfolded. Right.

• 8:05Shawn Ryan?

  And then you fast forward about a week, and of course, then President Trump comes out and says something about, you know, "Oh, what, what, what President Obama did was illegal. He shouldn't be talking about aliens." I don't know the, the exact quote, but he came on and said that. And then I have people, former guests that have been on the show, some of them, and some of them that I've been trying to get on the show that haven't come, that are in the, the alien UFO, anomalous activity, you know, realm, and they're saying, you know, "Oh, look at this. Oh, look, maybe the Epstein stuff is a distraction from..."

• 8:46Shawn Ryan?

  From the alien UFO and to me that that is that is no way, no way like I am not taking my eye off of that ball. Don't try to distract me with this bullshit. And I mean, what do you think about that?

• 9:01Speaker 04

  I totally agree with you. Actually, for this, for this particular reason, the there's kind of a bit of a backstory. So one of the tactics that the demons always use is or and very often use is they rarely do a frontal assault on a particular individual. What they'll do is, and this is a diversionary tactic, which you, you know, being a military man, you would be able to appreciate this. You're over here, you just lob bombs over here. So the people's focus goes over here. While and what that does is is that gives you the ability to maintain your activity over here and maintain your influence. So the demons will very often. So for example, one of the things that we commonly see is it's a demon of fear that actually drives things like sins against the sixth commandment,

• 9:44Speaker 04

  pornography and things of that sorts. He'll drive the person to do that. But the real root problem is a demon of fear. So once you address the demon of fear, then this stuff just clears out. Well, this same type of tactic is actually going on. They, they want to, they want you to not pay attention to what's really going on or what's really in the background, because that's where their vulnerability is, at least in the relationship to the diabolic. So it has that same kind of a complexion. So you've got this situation where the Epstein stuff starts to kind of come to the surface and then all of a sudden there's this, this diversionary tactic that's used to get everybody, because now no, virtually nobody's talking about Epstein. So you just get that diversionary tactic over here. And you know, as you know, the American people have, a lot of American people have the memory

• 10:29Speaker 04

  of a goldfish, you know, which is like 11 seconds. So as soon as you've got them looking at this thing, now they're paying attention to this. And of course, the, the, the whole alien things, I think is just a ruse anyway. It's just a way for people to get focused and interested on that. On the other hand,

• 10:46Speaker 04

  I wouldn't be a bit surprised if the world elite didn't want to use the alien things from the point of view of if you listen to the people who have been alienly abducted, it's always like, the aliens are always telling them, oh yeah, we're here to, to save humanity. Well, that's Jesus Christ's role, not aliens. We're here because human beings can't save themselves and we're here to, and we're here to basically usher in a new era. Yeah, that's because people, the elites want to get away from the, or at least the demons want to get away from Christianity as the ruling ethos that affects, you know, the world cultures, etc. So the very same things that the demons

• 11:28Speaker 04

  actually want is the same type of stuff that you hear the aliens actually talking about and, and, you know, going into. So it, for me, it just looks, it just looks like a, a diabolic diversionary tactic, not necessarily in the sense that the people that are doing this diversionary tactic, the human beings doing this are thinking that, you know, they're, that they're thinking in terms of diabolic necessarily in doing this. Nevertheless, that doesn't mean that the demons can't be using them precisely to that end because the demons do not want people to become focused on the moral degeneracy because then they'll start demanding change and the demons don't want the change. They want this degeneracy because it empowers them.

• 12:13Shawn Ryan?

  You mentioned demon of fear. Is that, what is, what is the demon of fear?

• 12:18Speaker 04

  Technically speaking, it's actually Beelzebub, which as you know, from your interviews with Dan, it's, it's the, Lucifer and Beelzebub and Satan are the same demon and he's the demon of fear because of the fact that fear is, is defined as the perception of a future evil over which you cannot, you can't, which you cannot overcome. So there's some evil that's coming down the plike, you see it coming and, you know, actually, and you can't get away from it. Well, In my dealings with him, he says he lives in, um, Bielsa says he lives in chronic fear. And the reason he lives in chronic fear, he said, is because, and it's also the same reason why he's exhausted.

• 13:00Speaker 04

  He spends all this time hyper focusing on everything that's possibly going on because he said God's about to, he said, "God broadsides me a lot of times." So a lot of time, I'm focusing on this particular thing. And then the next thing I know, I just get broadsided because they do not have access to the divine economy of grace. They don't know what grace is God's going to give to people. And as a result, the demons get taken to the woodshed. And so he, he's fearful of getting basically, um, beat up in relationship to that. The other part about it is too, is that they're, they have a conscience and their conscience bothers them. And they also have a sense of shame for what they actually do. They even mentioned.

• 13:40Shawn Ryan?

  The demons have a conscience.

• 13:42Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 13:42Shawn Ryan?

  And they feel shame.

• 13:44Speaker 04

  And they feel shame. They know what they've done is wrong. They'll admit as much in session and that, that is actually, other than the fact that they don't get to see God, that's their greatest suffering is this pain of conscience of the evil that they've actually done. Uh, Bielsa was even admitted to me in session that every time he gets someone to fall, he gets a sadistic delight out of it, but it increases his shame in knowing that he's that much lower of an individual for having done that. And so part of their fear, one of their massive fears is being revealed or found out about their interior lives in, in relation to human beings. Just as we would, if people found out our, like our deepest, darkest secret, we would feel shame or embarrassed.

• 14:27Speaker 04

  They have that same thing, but it's even worse for them because of the fact that they know that a final judgment's going to come. Where not just in our pri- uh, private judgment when we die, but God's going to assemble everybody at the final judgment. And every evil thing they've ever done will be known by everybody. So they have a tremendous amount of fear. Shame is defined as fear of being perceived as lowly.

• 14:49Shawn Ryan?

  That's, that's, that's, that's interesting that they feel ashamed. So would it be possible for a demon to, to come to Christ and to?

• 14:58Speaker 04

  No.

• 14:58Shawn Ryan?

  It's not. Once it's in, it's, it's over for eternity.

• 15:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, because when they make their choice, um. Uh, well, I should say this, none of their sorrow, or even their fear, but none of their sorrow is to a purpose of amendment. They have no intention of getting their act together. So the, um, the, basically, when they made their choice, because they were created, when they were first created, the first instance, when they were created, they were created into a state of full, comprehensive knowing. So they actually knew who they were, what their nature was, because they could actually see their nature. Whereas human beings, we have to infer what human nature is. They could actually see it. They, and that by that, they also knew what their assigned task was. God created them for a specific task, a mission, you could say, that they had to do.

• 15:46Speaker 04

  And that mission determines that that means that one angel is actually essentially different from another one, because they have a natural law, they have inclinations along that, that line. So, but then he also created them, he infused all the knowledges of the essences of created things that were gonna ever exist. They didn't know the particulars that would unfold over history necessarily, but they did know all the essence. So they know what a tree is, what a human being is. This is why they're so adept at taking people out, because they understand human nature so well. Okay, so they were created in this state, but that means that unlike human beings, we gotta wake up and drink some coffee and kinda get our act together before we can actually think anything of any depth, right? Well, not with them. They were instantaneously, fully comprehended all of that.

• 16:31Speaker 04

  They know what their task was, they know what the reward would be if they were faithful to that, which would basically get to see Him for all eternity and be in eternal happiness. Or they would also know what their eternal punishment would be if they did not do it. That means they had full, absolute comprehension. Now, the reason God cuts us slack as human beings is because we're stupid. Right? We are, we're just stupid. And, and so that's why God's like, okay, you're stupid. And so when we, when we're contrite, it's because our wills aren't fixed, because when we make a choice, we don't have that full kinda comprehension they did. We just, uh, we, you know, later we realize, oh, that was just dumb, right? And so because of our lack of knowledge, we don't have that same level of knowledge, where they had full comprehension.

• 17:16Speaker 04

  Now, St. Thomas says that their will is proportionate to their intellect, which basically means that when their intellect understands something... When they make a choice, it's proportionate to that thing, which meant that when they made their choice of being with God or not, of doing their task or not, they were all in. And that means their will became completely fixed in malice.

• 17:38Shawn Ryan?

  Wow.

• 17:38Speaker 04

  In fact, it's funny because I actually had a case where this, this kind of thing came out, because I said, okay, so let me get this straight. So you were, uh, dealing with this, uh, dealing with this demons, you were created to have the beatific vision, yeah. And you were created to, uh, have this phenomenal task of enlightening people's minds, yeah. And you were created to have all these perfections that would surround that and you'd be able to influence people for the good, yeah. And you knew if you didn't do this, you'd end up in hell for all eternity, yeah, and it would bother you for all eternity, that you would just hate yourself and have, because when they rejected their task, remember their task is who they are. That means, but they made their choice, it was perfect self hatred, and you knew you'd hate yourself for all eternity, yeah. And I said, and you'd do it again? And you said, yeah, I would.

• 18:21Shawn Ryan?

  Wow.

• 18:22Speaker 04

  And it, as it, basically what it comes down to is there was a perfection that they saw that they wanted, that wasn't part of their particular nature that they wanted. And they had to be willing to sacrifice that in order to have the beatific vision, which is a greater good. So they had to sacrifice the lesser good for the greater good. And they were unwilling to sacrifice that particular thing. So they literally chose a figment of their imagination, because they knew that they'd never have it. They chose that over reality.

• 18:53Shawn Ryan?

  Back to, real quick, back to aliens and anomalous activity. So, I mean, we've talked about it several times, and I believe it too, that, that all of that stuff is, is from a spiritual realm.

• 19:06Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 19:07Shawn Ryan?

  And so, what I want to ask is, when we're talking about, when we're talking about the elites, when we're talking about the people that are, that are getting us to focus on the distraction.

• 19:19Speaker 04

  Right.

• 19:19Shawn Ryan?

  Away from, in this particular example, away from the Epstein files and everything that went on there, onto, onto aliens and UFOs, do-

• 19:31Shawn Ryan?

  So the, the people that are in on this, do they know, do they know what aliens are? Or are they, do they have any knowledge that we don't have? Or are they, are their minds being controlled by a demonic force? And so, they're, they're, they're carrying out a agenda?

• 19:52Shawn Ryan?

  And they don't even realize it?

• 19:54Speaker 04

  I think there's levels. So some of them are that lower level, which you just mentioned, the last part. Other people actually do know that, yeah, there's nothing out there. This is just, uh, and the diabolic. The other thing is too, is the, some of the elite that are at the top are actually involved in occult activity. And those people know that that's actually, that this is, we're actually dealing with spiritual issues here. Or spiritual realities. Um, one of the things that happens, I've never had it because they know I don't buy it. Cause demons, they, they know a lot because they've been watching us for our whole lives, right? So they know what our general patterns are and what we're likely to think and believe. Although they do sometimes throw stuff up just to see if it'll stick. But generally they know, and so they know I don't buy any of the, the alien stuff.

• 20:38Speaker 04

  And so they've never done this to me, but I do know other exorcists where they would, uh, in session, they would actually, the, once the demon manifested, they would manifest in literally looking like an alien with the eyes and the small mouth and the whole bit turning gray. And they even call themselves gray and they try and lie to the exorcist by saying, oh, well, we're not angels, good, good angels. And we're not bad angels. We're not demons. We're kind of in the middle. We're, we're neither good nor bad. No, dude, you're just, you're just a demon, right? Because when you start talking to them, it's all of that is a diversionary tactic, which they do in the sessions. So just as we're seeing this play out itself on a grander scale in the, in the, in the world with the whole alien thing,

• 21:18Speaker 04

  they'll try and do that in the session where they're just trying to distract you by something that, and that they know that is not true, but they're hoping you'll believe it's true because then from there they can manipulate you.

• 21:29Shawn Ryan?

  When you say there's different levels, do you have to pass through each level? Or do you just arrive at a level? So like if you're in the, if you are in the occult, do you just arrive at that level where you're, where you're doing satanic rituals? Or do you graduate?

• 21:45Speaker 04

  Uh, some graduate. Um, some are actually they're, um, they're, they're trained in this stuff from the very beginning. Sometimes they're actually groomed where they'll be, they'll watch them in college or they'll watch them and then they'll introduce them into this, um, through various secret societies and things of that sort. They'll get them into, um, engaging in the occult. There's a few of these people, not many of them, that are actually part of a pedigree or history that extends, um, back to the, uh, late 1500s, uh, 1600s, where the occult practices has been in their family lineage, literally for three to 400 years. And so they're so proficient in the knowledge about how this stuff works and what is actually involved.

• 22:30Speaker 04

  They know that there's demons and God, et cetera, and they know that their activity in the occult is getting demons actually involved. They fully know that. In fact, their knowledge of this stuff is almost on the same level as mine. And so they, they have a full understanding of it, but they're on the side of evil. And so they tend to raise their children, generation after generation, within that particular occult set of practices.

• 22:53Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, where, where do these people think they go when they die?

• 22:57Speaker 04

  Well, they know they go to hell.

• 22:58Shawn Ryan?

  Why would you want to go to hell?

• 23:00Speaker 04

  Well, because they have a false, uh, uh, they have a false impression, because the demons will leave this with this, is that if they do a lot of evil in this life, which empowers the demons, then that will give them power when they get to hell. And so when they have that, and they actually believe the exercise of their power in hell will be something that they can then have a kind of a comfortable hell, or it's not going to be as bad because I have all this power. Um, and part of it is, is that they just have an aversion to things that are good anyway. And so they don't want to go that route. But they, but they, so I'm going to end up in hell, so I might as well get as far as I can. And that's one of the things we're seeing among some of the Satanists now, is that that's why they engage in things like child sacrifice and things of that sort, because they, they're thinking that once they get to hell,

• 23:44Speaker 04

  they're going to have all this power. But what they don't realize is that something which Satan himself actually once said to me, because I was noticing something in his behavior. Because I wrote three books in psychology, so one of the things I just started doing is watching patterns and behavior of these guys, and both as individuals and as general lot of demons. And I said to him, I said, "Your exercise of power in hell is actually painful, isn't it? It's not pleasant." He says, "No, I hate it." He says, "I use it to keep, you know, to try and protect myself, but I hate it." And so, they don't seem to realize that even, they might get a certain amount of delight in having all this power in this life, but even if they have it in the next, they'll be miserable.

• 24:29Speaker 04

  And they don't see it.

• 24:31Shawn Ryan?

  They're miserable in this life, too.

• 24:33Speaker 04

  They are miserable, but they think it's gonna be like this life.

• 24:37Shawn Ryan?

  Man.

• 24:40Shawn Ryan?

  Thank you. It's gonna be a, it's gonna be a heavy interview.

• 24:45Shawn Ryan?

  So, everybody starts off with an introduction here.

• 24:48Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 24:49Shawn Ryan?

  Father Chad Ripperger, Roman Catholic priest ordained in 1997, theologian philosopher, and one of the most prominent exorcists in the world. Hold degrees in theology and philosophy from University of San Francisco, masters from University of St. Thomas, and holy apostles, and doctorate from Pontificial? Pontif- did I say that correctly?

• 25:14Speaker 04

  Pontifical.

• 25:15Shawn Ryan?

  Pontifical University of the Holy Cross in Rome. Founded the Society of the Most Sorrowful Mother, also known as the Doloran Fathers. A religious society based in Archdiocese of Denver, dedicated entirely to exorcism, deliverance, and healing. The Thomistic scholar and expert in demonology, angels, spiritual warfare, and the integration of theology with psychology. Author of books including Deliverance Prayers for Us by the Laity, Dominion, The Nature of Diabolic Warfare, and The Introduction to the Science of Mental Health. In your years as an exorcist, you've handled some of the worst cases of diabolic affliction,

• 26:00Shawn Ryan?

  including full possession. These cases are often referred to you by bishops and other exorcists, literally the worst of the worst.

• 26:09Speaker 04

  Uh, generally, that's true.

• 26:15Shawn Ryan?

  Well, Father, I'd love to, and I'd be honored to, uh, start off in prayer.

• 26:19Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 26:20Shawn Ryan?

  If you could lead us.

• 26:21Speaker 04

  In the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Amen. Direct, oh Lord, all our actions by thy holy inspirations and carry them on by thy gracious assistance, so that every prayer and work of ours may begin from thee and by the behalf of the true Christ our Lord.

• 26:34Shawn Ryan?

  Amen.

• 26:34Speaker 04

  Amen.

• 26:35Shawn Ryan?

  Father. Thank you.

• 26:36Speaker 04

  Yep.

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• 27:21Shawn Ryan?

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• 27:58Shawn Ryan?

  I got you a couple of gifts here.

• 28:01Speaker 04

  Oh, very good.

• 28:03Shawn Ryan?

  Actually, three of them.

• 28:05Speaker 04

  First one.

• 28:06Shawn Ryan?

  The John's Elite Gummy Bears.

• 28:08Speaker 04

  Very good, yeah.

• 28:09Shawn Ryan?

  Made in the USA, everybody gets one.

• 28:12Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 28:12Shawn Ryan?

  The next one is a rosary.

• 28:17Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 28:18Shawn Ryan?

  And, uh, my friend Dom Razzo makes these, it's called the Warrior Rosary. Actually, I don't think he makes them.

• 28:24Speaker 04

  Yeah, I know Dom, I just saw him about six weeks ago.

• 28:27Shawn Ryan?

  Did you really?

• 28:27Speaker 04

  Yeah, I gave some conferences with him there, yeah.

• 28:29Shawn Ryan?

  I love Dom.

• 28:30Speaker 04

  It was all on magni- magnanimity, you know, how to make yourself great in virtue.

• 28:34Shawn Ryan?

  He loads me up with those.

• 28:35Speaker 04

  Yeah, he's a great guy.

• 28:37Shawn Ryan?

  He is.

• 28:37Speaker 04

  Solid character.

• 28:38Shawn Ryan?

  He is, so, uh, I wanted to give you one.

• 28:40Speaker 04

  No, thank you very much.

• 28:42Shawn Ryan?

  And then, lastly,

• 28:46Shawn Ryan?

  I heard you mention, uh, your, you carry.

• 28:50Speaker 04

  I do carry, so.

• 28:52Shawn Ryan?

  Thought you might want one of those. I got a friend over at Sig, his name's Jason, this is the Sig GTO.

• 28:59Speaker 04

  Very good.

• 29:00Shawn Ryan?

  Open it up.

• 29:02Speaker 04

  Let's take a look. Yeah, I do, actually.

• 29:08Speaker 04

  Oh, very nice, that is awesome.

• 29:12Shawn Ryan?

  All metal. All metal.

• 29:14Speaker 04

  I love that.

• 29:15Shawn Ryan?

  It's got a compensator up front, it's got their new optic on top, I think it holds 21 rounds.

• 29:22Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 29:22Shawn Ryan?

  The thing is like butter, you're gonna love it.

• 29:26Speaker 04

  Well, the good news is, at our, at our community, we actually have a, uh, a range, target range.

• 29:32Shawn Ryan?

  Do you really?

• 29:33Speaker 04

  Yeah, we do. It needs some development, but we actually have one there.

• 29:36Shawn Ryan?

  Perfect.

• 29:37Speaker 04

  Yeah, so I'll be able to, be able to test this out, in fact, I'll be able to test it out tomorrow.

• 29:41Shawn Ryan?

  Right, right on, maybe we can break it in today, before we leave if we have time.

• 29:46Speaker 04

  All right. But, thank you very much, that's awesome.

• 29:49Shawn Ryan?

  You're welcome. And then, one last thing before we get into the interview here, I have a Patreon account, it's a subscription account, and we've turned it into quite the community, and, and they're the reason, honestly, that I get to sit down with you here today.

• 30:02Speaker 04

  Right, yeah.

• 30:03Shawn Ryan?

  And, um, so, they get the opportunity to ask every single guest a question.

• 30:08Speaker 04

  Uh-huh.

• 30:08Shawn Ryan?

  This is from Justin Larson. "From your work in deliverance and exorcism, what are the main areas or institutions, family, education, media, politics, et cetera, where evil seems to be gaining the most ground in America today without people realizing its demonic influence at work?"

• 30:29Speaker 04

  Uh, that's a good question. I mean, obviously, we're see, just on the grand scale, like in politics and stuff like that, we're seeing the diabolic stuff pretty clearly, but the place that they're making the biggest headway is, uh, I should say, if, if we're talking about a shift that we started noticing about two to three years ago, where the demons used to not attack, and now they're doing a full-blown attack is on good families. Families that historically led good lives, were doing, you know, raising their kids properly, um, very often very religious, doing the things that they're supposed to do, now they're attacking them, which gives us an indicator that, uh, they're emboldened. It's either a sign of one of two things, they're emboldened, because as the world gets more evil, they get more power, and so they can actually attack fortresses that they used

• 31:14Speaker 04

  to not be able to attack, or that they would never attack in the, in the past. Um, and so we're seeing that it's the specifically an attack on the family. So we're seeing a dissolution, um, and where all sorts of different kinds of problems are actually happening within family lives. Uh, usually it goes in the form of one of the children who they've raised their kids properly, all of a sudden their kids just out of the blue just go off the rails, and they can't seem to get too much done with it. Um, or it's an indicator that they know their time is short, which I think is also true. The demons? Yeah, they know their time is short. They know that God will only tolerate this level of evil that we're seeing in the world for only a certain amount of time. We saw it with the flood, we saw it with, um, the wiping out of Sodom and Gomorrah. He'll only

• 31:57Speaker 04

  tolerate stuff for so long, and then he says, that's enough. And then he, uh, basically does a corrective for human beings to correct them and get them where they need to be. And, uh, that means that the demons, they know that same pattern. They've seen it because they've watched it throughout history. And so they know that once it gets to this level, um, you know, where, you know, I always tell people, you know, we, we, we, we tend to look down on the people in Sodom and Gomorrah, but I tell them, but at least they weren't trying to marry each other, you know, which makes us worse, frankly, as far as that goes. And the fact that, you know, generally, good people just tolerate that stuff and think it's actually okay, because the majority of the public thinks it's okay for two men to get married, which I think is just an indicator of our insanity. But that all being said, um,

• 32:40Speaker 04

  The, I think they, they, they know that it, it, the gig is up. It's gonna, God's gonna intervene at some point just to do the correction. And so that they know the time is short, but then also the amount of power that they actually have. There was a prophecy that Saint Francis of Assisi gave back in the 1200s. And he talked about a time which would come in which the demons would have unusual power. And as exorcists, we've noticed that their resilience and ability to take a beating and to hold on to things is on a level that we have, you know, historically, we just never saw. And so we know that there's a lot of evil out there that is empowering them to stay where they're at.

• 33:24Speaker 04

  So, but the primary angle of attack is, and right now is on the family.

• 33:29Shawn Ryan?

  Man, the families. What, what would the correction be? Is it gonna be a correction or are we approaching end times?

• 33:41Speaker 04

  Well, ultimately, we don't really have any certitude. I mean, it could be the type of thing that it's, the, the situation for the Antichrist is just about present. The Antichrist has to be able to rule the world. He's not gonna rule through governance. He's gonna rule it through economies. And so even though he'll have control of the governments too, but the Antichrist would actually, when he appears, there has to be a unification of the worldwide economy in order for him, to a degree that's a little bit farther down the road than ours is at this point. So I don't think that he's just immediately around the corner, but I could be wrong. And that, the other way that it can actually happen is, there's been numerous prophecies by saints,

• 34:23Speaker 04

  apparitions where our ladies appeared, like in Fatima where three children saw her, but then there was a miracle of the sun where 70,000 people saw this miracle that actually happened there. Where, you know, so there's some of those apparitions. She actually talks about the fact that one of them is Lausanne, where she said, there's gonna be a chastisement that's gonna come. And that chastisement will be a minor chastisement, but it's gonna be the type of thing where. Excuse me, we're gonna see infrastructure. God's gonna basically allow some type of war or something that's gonna happen to such a degree that, you know, it's gonna be brutal even for us who are good and who are prepped and ready for it and all of that. It's gonna be brutal for everybody.

• 35:13Shawn Ryan?

  When you say, I can't remember how you said it, but you said it sounded like you were saying the stage is kinda set. Almost everything that's happened needs to happen. What has happened that needed to happen and what still needs to happen?

• 35:27Speaker 04

  Well, before the Antichrist comes, one of the things that we know from the fathers of the church is that there will be a worldwide implosion of people's morality. So, which we've seen, right? So that's happened since the 1950s. There's been an implosion where people just aren't following the laws of God and the natural law in any sense of the term. So we have that. The other part of it is, again, is the unification of the worldwide economies, because he has to be able to basically control people en masse. The other thing is too, is it has to be something that the people that are alive, that in order to survive, you have to be able to plug into that economy in some fashion. That's why they talk about the mark of the beast. Well, we're almost there, where they could literally just decide,

• 36:11Speaker 04

  look, unless you're going to sign off on certain things, you're not gonna have access to the digital currency that we're going to enact worldwide and therefore, because that's how he could rule it. At least that's my opinion. I think that's one of the ways how he's gonna control people is through digital currencies and he's gonna just shut people off. And that's how they'll be able to basically starve people out if they're unwilling to sign off on the Antichrist's rule. So it's gonna be, those kinds of things have, you know, as I mentioned, have come into play.

• 36:40Shawn Ryan?

  So we're talking like, social credit score?

• 36:43Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's right, among other things. The other thing is too, is we also know that the Catholic Church specifically will have to be at a state where it would have to have gone through a prior weakening crisis. And then it will resurge and then right at the, right before the Antichrist comes, it, the morals of people will implode, they say, in such a rapid fashion, to where this last 50 years will make our heads spin. It'll be that much more rapid. So, there's just a few, there's some prophecies that have been fulfilled and some of them that haven't quite been.

• 37:17Shawn Ryan?

  When you say good people, I mean, is that everybody?

• 37:22Speaker 04

  Everybody will be under the influence? Well, they say that the Antichrist will be so charismatic and it will be that unless a person has specific graces from God, you're going to easily get sucked into his, into what he teaches and what he professes, which of course is going to be a rejection of Christ and he will set himself up as the Messiah, but it'll be a political type of a thing. The other thing that has to happen too before he, once he shows up, of course, the two prophets that are in heaven, you know, the Elijah and Enoch have to return, they're put to death.

• 38:00Speaker 04

  So they, because they actually return and preach against him. So those types of things have to happen before Christ actually returns and finally puts him to death. Do we know what, what names they'll use? We don't.

• 38:13Speaker 04

  Other than, you mean Elijah and Enoch? It'll be clear who they are. What about the temple?

• 38:20Speaker 04

  According to the Fathers of the Church, at least the ones that I've read, they said the temple will never be rebuilt. It will never be rebuilt. It will never be rebuilt. And the reason being is because, first of all, Julian the Apostate tried to rebuild it and it was destroyed in the process. Christ actually put an end to the Jewish sacrifice on purpose because the Jewish sacrifice in the Old Testament was a lead up or a prefigurement of Christ. And so he gave them one generation in order for them to convert to the, to Christianity. And when they didn't, he put an end to their sacrifice. So technically speaking, there hasn't been practicing Jews in 2,000 years because this, the temple hasn't been around and they haven't been able to offer sacrifice. Doesn't mean that they don't pray and things of that sort, but they haven't been able to enact their primary religious duties, which is to offer sacrifice. Plus their Levitic line,

• 39:05Speaker 04

  which is their priestly line was destroyed. So, but then, and the, the difficulty is, is people tend to misinterpret the book of Daniel, which says, "When the abomination of desolation takes its seat in the temple..." What they don't realize is that is not a reference to the Jewish temple. That's where the Protestants are getting it wrong. So a lot of the Protestants are thinking, oh, well, let's help the Jews rebuild the temple. And then that will usher in, because Christ is going to return, you know, after the temple. They think the temple is going to be rebuilt. And then as a result of that, what I should say, the temple has to be rebuilt in order for the Antichrist to put himself in there. So let's do that so that the Antichrist will come. And then that means that Christ will come. And that's kind of their reasoning behind it.

• 39:50Speaker 04

  Well, first of all, just getting through the years of the Antichrist is going to be brutal. So I wouldn't be pushing that. But the fathers of the church are very clear that it will never be rebuilt and that the reference to the abomination of desolation, taking the seating in the temple, is actually a reference to the Catholic Church. That's what the fathers say it's a reference to. That there's going to be some way in which the situation in the church will become compromised to such a degree, doesn't mean necessarily people have to know it. But its essential elements will still remain intact. But that the Catholic Church itself would become compromised in that process.

• 40:31Shawn Ryan?

  Geez. When we're talking about the social critics, the ruling through the economy.

• 40:40Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 40:40Shawn Ryan?

  And, you know, you had mentioned the mark of the beast. Just in the past, what, six years? I've heard lots of different things that could be the mark of the beast. The first one being the COVID shot.

• 40:51Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 40:52Shawn Ryan?

  The next one I've always heard is digital currency. Another one could be Neuralink.

• 40:58Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 41:01Shawn Ryan?

  And so what I want to ask is, I mean, this is, what are people supposed to do? Let's say that they do usher in the new digital currency. And I'm sure it won't appear to be the mark of the beast. But maybe it becomes more obvious, you know, as time goes on with people holding out.

• 41:24Shawn Ryan?

  I thi- I I think about this all the time. I have kids, they're small. Have a wife, have people that depend on me. What are we supposed to do if we can't eat? Take care of ourselves, provide for our families? What are we supposed to do?

• 41:44Speaker 04

  Well, I think there's, uh.

• 41:46Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, if that's, if that's the only way you can survive. What are we supposed to do is, is, is the, is the head of the family?

• 41:54Speaker 04

  Yeah, the way the fathers of the church talk about though is they say that the mark of the beast, you can't receive the mark of the beast. So it's supposed to be some type, something that's, it's, well, first of all, the mark of the beast is the inversion of what they call the, um, the mark of baptism. So when a person's baptized, God, um, infuses a quality in the person's, uh, soul, which is a mark. And that's actually why, for example, in the baptism in the Catholic Church, there's a sign in which you may, you actually take chrism and you sign it on the forehead as, as, as an indicator of that this person has been consecrated to Christ through his baptism.

• 42:32Speaker 04

  The mark of the beast is going to be the inversion of that. So it's going to be something in our bodies that is going to be an, that will give us access to these particular things. Okay.

• 42:43Shawn Ryan?

  Like Neuralink.

• 42:45Speaker 04

  Like, it would be something similar to that, or it could just be something like an F I, uh, F R, F I D, R F I D chip, which then, you know, you'd just be able to walk in and they can scan it. They know who you are and they know that you can have access to the food and things of that sort. It could be the type of thing that they'd get to the point where you just don't even have to carry credit cards or even that, you know, your bank account will just be linked to this, this chip that's in, in you. Um, and cause that's how they could actually do it. The thing though is, is that the fathers of the church say that you're not going to be able to get that chip without some type of renunciation of Christ. There's going to have to be some. Religious thing you're gonna have to accept that you know is contrary to the will of God and contrary to Christ.

• 43:27Speaker 04

  And so the moral of the story is, is that you have to be willing to sacrifice the lesser good in order to achieve the greater good. You have to be willing to, I have to follow Christ regardless of the personal cost. Now, God will also very often provide for people. If it's his holy will that people survive that timeframe, he'll make it possible for them to do it. Though, the other thing is I've learned, which in the military, you've probably seen this too, the tighter you put your grip on a group of people, the more stuff slips through your fingers. And so I think that type of thing, there will be ways in which people will be able to survive. But I think they also have to be smart about it and actually learn just basic survival

• 44:07Speaker 04

  skills, learn how to fend for themselves, just based on nature and things of that sort. But I think it's gonna become extraordinarily difficult, especially with the way the technology is getting, to be able to even evade detection.

• 44:20Shawn Ryan?

  I think so too. I think about this all the time. One more question, I've always heard about the golden calf. How does that play into the end?

• 44:34Speaker 04

  Well, the, obviously, the difficulty with the golden calf in the Old Testament is that they basically created a god of their own making. And so this is the same type of thing that you're gonna see in relationship to the Antichrist. He will basically ensconce himself as the one to whom we are to worship. The difficulty with the Antichrist, of course, is he's gonna be perfectly possessed by Satan, and he will be endowed with Satan's, by perfect possession, Satan will be the one in the driver's seat, so that we'll be dealing with somebody who will be endowed with Satan's intelligence, and as a result of that, it's gonna be extraordinarily difficult intellectually to combat this guy without specific graces from God.

• 45:21Shawn Ryan?

  Okay, okay. Thank you. Let's move into, let's move into the outline here.

• 45:27Speaker 04

  All right.

• 45:28Shawn Ryan?

  So, let's start with the, the seven forms of diabolic activity.

• 45:32Speaker 04

  Yeah. So I propose that as a kind of a topic in the sense that I think a lot of people are unaware of the fact that there's several different kinds of diabolic influence. The first is infestation, where they infest, um, houses or locations, inanimate objects, uh, animals, as we see in scripture where they-

• 45:50Shawn Ryan?

  Animals.

• 45:50Speaker 04

  Yeah, where they, well, that, and we see that where the Christ is about to kick them out of the demoniac and they said, you know, let us go into the, the pigs. And so they go in, they possess the pigs and then they run the pigs. Of course they're, they can't help but destroy them. They run them into the, into the, uh, sea there. So they can actually possess, um, inanimate objects and things. And so that's pretty common. Uh, some, uh, not a whole lot, but a fair amount of my work is actually going and cleaning up places where evil things have occurred and the demons have gotten their foot in the door. And so they, we have to, uh, you know, exorcise the place and, and clean it out. So there's a fair amount of that that we actually have to do. Um, and then the, uh, the next one is ordinary diabolic influence.

• 46:33Speaker 04

  This is what everybody suffers. It's ordinary temptation. Um, and so, and the primary way that they, and they attempt this is by putting stuff in our imaginations. So they'll put not just the image, but they can also put the perspective on the image. So, uh, uh, an example I often use is, you know, a wife wants to make her husband breakfast in bed because it's his birthday. And so she comes in, he's laying in bed at seven o'clock in the morning. She comes in and says, dear, what time are you going to get up? Cause she's trying to time it in order to get this. And then what the demons do is once he hears that, you know, what time are you going to get up? The demons can then put it, they can skew the perspective on the thing. They can jade our perce- perceptions of people and of things. And they do that.

• 47:17Speaker 04

  And then what he hears or thinks he hears, what he judges in that situation, um, by their skewing his perceptions is she just thinks you're lazy. Right, rather than, and this is how, that this is how they can actually destroy relationships. This is how they, uh, not in fact, in marriage, this is one of the ways that we're seeing as we're talking about families. That's always their first attack. They have to separate people psychologically first before they're ever gonna get them to divorce. They have to separate them psychologically, and the way they do that is by skewing their perceptions. And then they can also move our imag- our emotions too, so they can kind of increase our emotional responses to things or cause emotions, and then as a result, it affects our judgment. So that's ordinary temptation.

• 48:00Shawn Ryan?

  Can we just go back to diabolic infestation? I mean, we, we talked about demonic influence on animals and humans. What about houses and buildings?

• 48:10Speaker 04

  Yeah, houses. So that's, I do a fair amount of exercise in of, of buildings. Uh, a lot of office buildings more recently, especially buildings where charitable activities are being done. People are just getting hammered. So like places that are working against abortion or, um, like, there's, uh, one that I've been working with from time to time. They're actually trying to do a Catholic version of hospice where they're just not offing people, you know, that over- overdosing and killing them to get rid of them. They're actually letting them go through a normal process of death. They're getting attacked, so, um, but houses too. Usually, um, there's, you know, evil that's occurred in the location, uh, or in the house itself, which has resulted in the demons getting into the house.

• 48:54Speaker 04

  And then that's when you start seeing, you know, stuff moving around and things like that in the house.

• 48:58Shawn Ryan?

  So the opening, the opening for a demon to enter a human, a building, a house, an animal, maybe not an animal, is sin, correct?

• 49:08Speaker 04

  That's correct. So, uh, it's either the particular person's sin. So a lot of people, about fifty percent of the people that come to us that are possessed is because of the sin that they committed. Or the other fifty percent is because sin has been committed against them. In locations, it's because somebody has done something particularly evil in a location, and as a result, the demons have gotten their foot in the door there. And so you have to go in, sometimes finding out the history of the house can be very helpful, but you'll have to exorcise the place in order to get the demons out.

• 49:41Speaker 04

  What are the most common sins they enter through? Uh, primarily occult activity, which we're starting to see a rise in.

• 49:49Speaker 04

  You know, people engaging in witchcraft and Satanism and things of that in a particular location. Sometimes it can be something just as simple as, um, one location that I, um, uh, had to address or deal with was, um, it was a former lockdown for, uh, teenagers who had literally lost their minds. And so they would drug them up and put them in this place. And what got in there was, uh, because of the things that were being done in that particular location was a demon of flight. So you would walk in there and you're, you'd get attacked like, I gotta get out of here. Was what people would explain, you know, I just gotta get out of here. And, uh, but the local bishop cleaned that place up pretty quick, uh, and without too much fuss.

• 50:34Speaker 04

  There was another building where it was a demon of anger had gotten in there, but it was connected to, um, heavy pornography use in that particular location, but it was a demon of anger that got in. And so, uh, that took a little bit. And actually that, that case was the first time I ran across, um, what we call temporary possession, where the demon, where his, the infestation in the location was so, uh, uh, at such a level that he could actually attack people and, um, actually quasi-manifest through individuals. And so you could literally stand, if everybody in the building was sent, sitting in the same room, you could just look around the room and actually see, there he is.

• 51:14Speaker 04

  And then, you know, 10 minutes later, you see it, it's attacking this person over here. And it was just anger. You could just see the anger, the, the complexion would change and everything. So you could see him going from location to location, or from person to person. And that's actually, um, one of the ways that we detected him and we were actually able to, uh, I don't know if the, I, I, I never was actually put on that case. I just noticed the detection and knew about it. I did a quasi-diagnostic of it, but the, um, it was, uh, I don't know if it was ever gotten out of there. I don't know if they ever addressed it.

• 51:47Speaker 04

  So they do get, they get into buildings and stuff. I was actually in a hotel once. Um, where uh, that, uh, didn't notice it when I first walked in, but then um, when I went to get to bed, the level of attack in that particular case was on the same level that it was in that building where, where the demon of anger and flights were, it was on that same level where the attack was so strong. And so I did do some prayers and some stuff to kind of keep my own particular room protected. I was able to sleep through the night. But um, because I don't know who the owners are, um, I could have done an exorcism over the whole place, but the problem with that is, is that

• 52:28Speaker 04

  uh, the more stout the demon is, usually it, you have to go from room to room and exorcise every single nook and cranny of the place to make sure you get him out. So, which I've also had to do in, even in rectories where um, bad things have happened in the rectories. And so you have to go in and clean it out.

• 52:44Shawn Ryan?

  Are there any specific sins you see them go through more than others?

• 52:50Speaker 04

  The demons?

• 52:51Shawn Ryan?

  Demons.

• 52:52Speaker 04

  Um, well, the, the sins they like to gravitate towards the most because they're easiest to get human beings to fall into or sins against the six commandment, like fornication, masturbation, pornography, those types of things. Those are the ones that they tend to like to use because they're so easy to get us to fall into. Um, and then from there they'll graduate people to other sins and get them into stuff that's even more disorder.

• 53:13Shawn Ryan?

  What about lies? I mean, I, I see people that lie. I've lied.

• 53:19Speaker 04

  Mm hmm.

• 53:19Shawn Ryan?

  I think everybody's lied at some point, but you know, when, but

• 53:25Shawn Ryan?

  I always wind up coming clean and I always feel better when I, when.

• 53:30Speaker 04

  Right.

• 53:30Shawn Ryan?

  But I do it right here on my show. I'll tell people all kinds of ridiculous horrible shit that I've done. But it ma- it makes, it's, it's, to me, it feels like, it feels like a confession.

• 53:42Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 53:42Shawn Ryan?

  In some ways it feels better than confession because nobody can hold that against me because I've already confessed. That's the way I feel at least.

• 53:49Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 53:49Shawn Ryan?

  I've, I've confessed publicly.

• 53:51Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 53:51Shawn Ryan?

  I did this. I'm fucked up and now I feel better.

• 53:54Speaker 04

  Right.

• 53:56Shawn Ryan?

  I see people who maybe I'm not necessarily friends with, but I know I'm associated with, who are living a lie. And some of these people have enormous audiences, just huge audiences, lots of people know them, and they just continue to live the lie.

• 54:16Speaker 04

  Right.

• 54:17Shawn Ryan?

  And you can, you can, you can, you can feel the misery.

• 54:22Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 54:23Shawn Ryan?

  You can see it, you can feel it, you know that their entire life is miserable.

• 54:28Speaker 04

  Yep, that's right. Uh, yeah, demons do actually drive that type of thing. Uh, you know, there's a line in scripture, "I said in my acts as all men lie." Okay, well, not all men lie, but we're seeing it in our, in our world and our culture now, which I'm sure you're experiencing this too, or just in the observation. You can't watch five minutes of the mainstream news media without knowing you're, I'm being lied to here. Right, I mean, in fact, I told, I've told people that the, the mainstream news media lies so habitually, you can't even trust literally anything they say, good, bad, or ugly. And so, you know, when they report on something, okay, maybe something's happening there, but it may not be the way they're reporting it, et cetera.

• 55:08Speaker 04

  Um, but it's, uh, in all the years I've been an exorcist, having a possession where it's authentically Satan is pretty rare. Now, there's demons that call themselves Satan, and they'll, they'll refer to themselves as that, but they're not actually Satan. I've only had one case where I actually thought, no, this guy is, this, this, this guy's Satan, because I beat this guy ruthlessly during a session for three days, and he didn't tell the truth once, even when it would go better for him. And we see this even in human beings. They'll lie even when the truth sounds better, right? So you just, you know, just tell the truth. But this guy, no, he was so wed to, to actually lying, and of course, Christ said, "He was a liar and a murderer from the beginning." He was a liar from the beginning because of the fact that he basically lied to all the other angels,

• 55:51Speaker 04

  that if you follow me, I will give you X, Y, and Z. He knew he could never give them X, Y, and Z. He couldn't give them anything. And so, um, that was the lying part. And then, of course, the, the murder part was, he wanted to murder our Lord and our Lady, because he wanted to subvert God's plan of our redemption. So, um, but you're seeing as the world becomes more diabolic, you see people becoming more mendacious. They just lie all the just on a, you know, on a consistent basis. I think we see that type of thing too with, um, you know, we see it like with stolen valor and things like that, where guys claiming they've had this, that or that experience when they haven't.

• 56:31Shawn Ryan?

  How do you get rid of them though? Do you, if you're lying, if you're living a lie, and a demon enters through that, or you're addicted to pornography, or masturbation, or whatever, and that's how the demon enters. If you stop that, if you come clean on the lie and you confess, if you, if you stop masturbation, if you stop pornography, if you stop addiction.

• 56:55Speaker 04

  Right.

• 56:56Shawn Ryan?

  Does that clean yourself out?

• 56:59Speaker 04

  So there's different levels. So how much influence a demon has is by degree. So that's why there's different kinds of possession. You can have possession where it's very deep and it's going to be a long grind. And then you have stuff that the demon does possess, and but it's pretty light and you can kick them out pretty quick. Well, it's the same thing in relationship to this. So you can, if you, uh, sometimes if people just stop the activity, then what you'll find is, is that then the demon just doesn't have anything to use or use against you. And this is something that we actually find very consistently, like in families. So for, for example, if we tell the guy, you know, quit being effeminate and man up and actually be the head of your household, and tell the wife, submit in a rightly ordered,

• 57:41Speaker 04

  in a loving fashion, in relationship to what Christ intended for you, do that, just establish that right order. So stop the sinning of usurpation on her part, and you stop the sinning of capitulating your authority, you guys just stop that. Then what we find is, is that, you know, 80% of the time, that just clears the demons out because they have nothing to use with. It's the same thing in our own personal lives. So in relationship to things like lying, if you just stop, that's going to help. The other thing that is can be very helpful is just making a renunciation. You know, I renounce the demon of lying. I renounce the demon of X. And when people do that, in fact, if a demon still has an influence in that area, they'll very often find that. They'll either be blocked in being able to make the renunciation, or they'll find making the renunciation very difficult. But once they make the renunciation,

• 58:25Speaker 04

  it will break the back of his power and relationship to them. And so then they can combat him just by growing in the virtue of truthfulness. And then eventually it'll get him out.

• 58:34Shawn Ryan?

  Do people come to this realization themselves, or are they guided to renunciation?

• 58:40Speaker 04

  Then renunciation usually they have to be guided. Rarely do you find people. Once in a great while, you'll see people said, I just said, I'm sick of this. I don't want this in my life anymore, or something to that effect. And so then it'll kind of stop. There's a couple of other areas. Sometimes demons can get so far into a person's life because of their sinfulness, that they have to come to an exorcist to get it cleaned up. It just depends on the level. Sometimes too, if people just develop a certain kind of discipline in that particular area, that will break the demon's back. In the Catholic sphere, what we have is when people go to confession, if they confess the particular sin that the demon has a hold on them, when the priest gives absolution,

• 59:21Speaker 04

  the legal binding force of the sin over the individual is absolved. That's why Christ said, whoever sins you retain, they shall be retained. Whoever sins you forgive, they shall be forgiven. So when they go to confession, what it does is that it breaks the legal bond that the demon has in relationship to the person by the absolution of the priest. And so we've actually had people liberated from possession just by going to confession and giving them absolution. We've also had cases where it protracts, and we can't seem to get the demon out. And then eventually you'll get out of the demon. What is keeping you here? And they'll say, it's this one unconfessed sin over there. And so the person's like, I totally forgot about that. They go to confession.

• 1:00:04Speaker 04

  And then, once the priest gives absolution, boom, then they're freed. So it just depends on the level or the degree of the diabolic influence.

• 1:00:12Shawn Ryan?

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• 1:01:34Speaker 04

  Dolores. So, that is, it's a Latin word which means, basically, pain. And, so, basically, this is where demons attack people, physically. Now, there's two kinds of people that get attacked physically. There's those who are possessed or have oppression, which we'll talk about here in just a minute. And that's because there's something in their life that needs to get cleaned up. But then, the dolor only happens to people who are very saintly, very holy. So like Padre Pio would get physically beaten by Satan and drug around the room, and things of that sort. You'd also see Saint John, John Vianney, the same thing happened to him. Paul of the Cross, that's some, some of the authors in the past say that that's

• 1:02:17Speaker 04

  actually what Saint Paul was referring to, when he prayed to God three times to take away this demon, and Christ said, "My grace is enough." Which is important because people who suffer that exorcism isn't going to help. All they have to do is pray and rely on God's grace to get through those particular moments. And God allows it for the humiliation of the demon, even though the demon just wants to take it out on the person. Cause they hate people who are holy, but he'll, he'll allow it so that the demon gets humiliated by the person's faithfulness. And then he also uses it for the person themselves to advance in holiness and self detachment and things of that sort. So it's rare, I've never seen a personal, an authentic case of it myself. I've only read about them.

• 1:03:01Speaker 04

  Oppression. So oppression is attacking people from the, from, uh, in relationship to their externals. It's an attack from the outside. So this includes things like destroying their finances, both their inflows. They can block people's, you know, getting paid when they're supposed to be getting paid. They can block, uh, or they can cause, um, damage to their property and things like that. So they're just hemorrhaging money all over the place, even though they shouldn't be. Um, they can also attack their property, um, to where like one family that I've worked with in the past. They, uh, it wasn't until we discovered that there was this demon in their, in, in the actual property. We found out who was getting in there, um, that he actually, uh, the, um,

• 1:03:45Speaker 04

  uh, that it was the demon in the property that was causing them, their, all their appliances. They would just go through appliances and get a brand new, um, a, a brand new refrigerator within a month. Boom, it shot their, uh, their stove would go out, the washing machines and stuff like that. They would just destroy, he was destroying everything. That can also affect their relationships. So this is, uh, you know, this is why we'll see, um, people, um, all of a sudden, you know, they might have a fantastic marriage and then they might be cursed by somebody. And then all of a sudden, boom, the oppression sets in and then all of a sudden they just, things are just miserable between the two. And a lot of times they can't necessarily pin it on one, what either one of them actually did. But they'll destroy people's relationships. What do you mean cursed by somebody?

• 1:04:31Speaker 04

  So somebody can actually do a ritual, um, you know, do, which is like, uh, basically an offering to Satan or do something to, to, uh, empower the demons to come and afflict a particular individual. A human being can do that? Yes, they can. Is that common?

• 1:04:47Speaker 04

  It's common enough to where I see it about three or four times a year where people have been cursed. It's becoming more common now because more people are getting involved in Satanism and witchcraft. So as that tends to get worse oppression and that's one of the, because we keep statistics. The amount of oppression is drastically on the rise because of the vault, the increase in the involvement in the occult.

• 1:05:14Shawn Ryan?

  How do you defend against that? Would you know? Is there any way to know if somebody on earth is cursing you?

• 1:05:28Speaker 04

  Well, the way that you're going to usually know it is, is that that it's probably a curse is that nobody in the family has done anything sinful to bring the oppression on because oppression can also be caused by sinful behavior. One of the primary ways that we see an increase in oppression is guys watching pornography that's been cursed. And then they bring that into their family and then because the, then they suffer the oppression for having watched this stuff that's been cursed. But the way that you-

• 1:05:55Shawn Ryan?

  Hold on, sorry. You mean they actually curse the, the content that they're watching?

• 1:06:00Speaker 04

  Yeah. So what happens is it was the Satanists in the 30s, 40s and 50s that taught the people in Hollywood that if you curse the master copy, all of the subsequent copies made from that will bear the curse and it can influence people. That was then also taught to the people in the music industry and the reason they were doing it is to boost the addictive effect of the music. This is why, I don't know if you've ever experienced this, you'll walk into some like Walmart or something. Not that I would recommend it, but you go into Walmart and there's playing some tune and you come out and you can't get that tune out of your head.

• 1:06:40Speaker 04

  So then what I, what I would do is when I would notice that I would just say a short binding prayer against any demon causing that in and boom, it would stop. So they, they, so they also taught this though, that gets the Hollywood people then talking to the people. Because you know, one of the epicenters of pornography production is in California. So they taught them to curse this as well. They taught the Satanists taught them to curse this and it'll be, that'll make the pornography more addictive. And so that's why you see that. It's one of the reasons why it's more, there's, there's an uptick in it. The curse, depending on the particular individual, can have varying degrees of the influence as a result of that. So we see a lot of people that have oppression as a

• 1:07:22Speaker 04

  result of watching this cursed pornography. We're also seeing obsession, which we'll talk about here in a minute. But once in a while, you'll see people actually become possessed. So I knew one case, about one case, it wasn't my particular case, because I do a lot of consultation with exorcists, where this guy had watched a piece of pornography and became possessed as a result of it. When this exorcist got him into the session and got the demon to tell him where, what was the cause of the possession, he said pornography. So then he asked the guy, you know, did you watch pornography? He said, yeah, I did. And he said, well, what happened? He said, I don't know. I said, all I know is that once I watched that piece of pornography, I became completely obsessed with the woman

• 1:08:07Speaker 04

  that was in the pornography. And so I spent all my time trying to find her in all the other forms of pornography that I could find where she had acted in it. And so, and he'd become possessed as a result of it. So the curse can actually have its effect. Now, the way curses normally work is, there has to be a vulnerability on our part for the curse to actually take place. And that can be anything from, you know, you're committing some seriously sinful act, and that you're opening the door and the demon gets in, from the curse. Or it can also be just some minor defect that we particularly have, like some failing that we did. I actually, speaking of curses, I actually had a, one of the exorcists that

• 1:08:52Speaker 04

  trained me, asked me to take a look at this one case. And he said, she's possessed. So I said, okay, well, I'll go talk to her. Because he said he couldn't get to her. So I went and Uh, when I saw her, I said, yeah, she's possessed. It's pretty clear. She's getting occult knowledge as a re- and she, but she likes it. So I told her, look, I can't help you unless you're willing to cut bait with these demons. I can't help you. So she, uh, she says, no, I still want it. So I said, okay, well, if you change your mind, I'll be willing to help. Well, I left. The next day I came down with the worst case of gout I've ever come down with in my entire life. I could not, a week later, I, usually if I got gout when I was younger, I would just cut out, um, dairy and then boom, it would go away. Well, it, it was no change in this thing.

• 1:09:35Speaker 04

  I even took those pills that take out the ureic acid, no change. Then it just dawned on me, I wonder if this woman, a week later, if this woman didn't curse me. So I did a minor exorcism over myself and boom, it was gone. So I called the exorcist that had trained me and, uh, he didn't answer. Two weeks later, he calls me, he says, oh, you know, I would have gotten back to you, but I have had the worst case of gout I've ever had in my entire life. I said, let me guess, right foot, big toe. He says, yeah, how did you know? I said, dude, you were cursed. And so what was the vulnerability? The vulnerability is anytime I do this work, I always make sure that there's a prayer of protection I say before I do that. And I had failed to do that when I went in to talk to this lady.

• 1:10:18Speaker 04

  And that left me unprotected when I walked in. I just walked in thinking, well, I can talk to her and size this up without having to depend on Christ for my protection. Uh, not that that was consciously going on, but that was, that, that was the upshot of it. A year later, another priest called me and says, I think she's had a change of mind. Would you talk to her? And I said, yeah, I'll talk to her. But this time when I went in, I said, uh, I said a prayer of protection. I asked Saint Michael to protect me. And then I said a prayer, which was talked to me by an exorcist, which was, Jesus, if she try, if this person tries to curse me, I ask you that if it's your holy will, it be sent back from whence it came, but in either case, keep me protected. So I said that prayer, walk in, talk to her. She still wants the occult knowledge that she was getting.

• 1:11:01Speaker 04

  I gave her the same story, can't help you, you know, if you change your mind, let me know. I left. A week later, nothing had happened. And then I asked, so I called up the priest and said, well, what happened? And he said, well, just after you left, she ended up in the hospital.

• 1:11:17Speaker 04

  Which tells you two things. This is one of the reasons why uh, people who are very high up in the occult arts, generally speaking, do not like getting involved in cursing other people. Cause they know they can become subject to the curse that they do. The second part of it is, is that um, uh, that Christ hears our prayer. He honored that prayer.

• 1:11:37Shawn Ryan?

  Would you say the occult, is there a difference between the occult and Satanism?

• 1:11:42Speaker 04

  Well, cult is a, is more of a genus. The species would be like specific kinds of witchcraft or specific kinds of Satanism.

• 1:11:49Shawn Ryan?

  Okay. And when we're talking about, you brought up the thirties, forties and fifties in Hollywood.

• 1:11:56Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:11:56Shawn Ryan?

  And then that infiltrate and, and, and then that infiltrating, cursing, cursing the content. And then they taught the music industry and they taught the porn industry.

• 1:12:04Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:12:08Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, that, that just makes me think of Disney.

• 1:12:11Speaker 04

  Yeah. Well, well, as we know.

• 1:12:14Shawn Ryan?

  Just about every kid in the country watches Disney.

• 1:12:18Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:12:18Shawn Ryan?

  Watched Disney. I, I grew up watching Disney.

• 1:12:21Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:12:21Shawn Ryan?

  And I mean, and I know it's real. I mean, I remember. I don't know, probably in my twenties, it, it, everybody started talking about the cover of the Little Mermaid and how there was a penis as one of the towers and, and there was something in Aladdin that spelled sex and uh, one of the guys got an erection and the, and the, and there's all these little

• 1:12:45Shawn Ryan?

  these little parts in these movies that have some type of perversion to them.

• 1:12:49Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:12:50Shawn Ryan?

  Is that a curse?

• 1:12:53Shawn Ryan?

  What is that?

• 1:12:54Speaker 04

  Well, actually the, uh, the technical term that we tend to use for that is called the revealing of the method. I don't know if you've ever heard of that.

• 1:13:02Shawn Ryan?

  I haven't.

• 1:13:02Speaker 04

  Basically, it's, um, it basically means that um, it, it can be connected to a curse. They like, they could curse this so that it has a more uh, so that its distribution becomes more extensive and more people watch the thing. Um, but a lot of times what that is, is that they, the thing about Satanists and also even though it's occult and the fact that it's hidden, there is still, there's There's a side to diabolic psychology that even when they remain hidden, they still want to show themselves in some way. They still want, they're still gonna reveal themselves in something. They can't help it. And it's the same thing you see, it's the same thing you see with Satanists.

• 1:13:44Speaker 04

  It's the same thing you see with Freemasons when they're involved in certain things. It's the same stuff you see across the board in these, in these particular groups. And so they, they just tend to reveal stuff. But their hope is to, even in the revealing that you don't know, there's a sadistic delight they get out of basically putting it to you without you even knowing it.

• 1:14:10Shawn Ryan?

  How much of the country or the world does this is affecting?

• 1:14:16Shawn Ryan?

  So many people watch.

• 1:14:18Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, I think it's.

• 1:14:19Shawn Ryan?

  Listen.

• 1:14:19Speaker 04

  Yeah, I, yeah, I think it's affecting just large percentage of the population. Somebody once asked me, you know, what percentage of the adult population is diabolically obsessed? And I had to think about it a little bit. And then I, the number that came to me was about 25% of the adult population in this country at least is diabolically obsessed. So I, I asked several other actresses without giving them my number and they all came up with the same number. About 25% of the adult population is diabolically obsessed in our culture. So it's having a huge impact. Part of the other difficulty is, is that most people don't realize is that if something's been cursed

• 1:14:56Speaker 04

  or if there is something evil in a particular like movie or in a, in a video or something of that sort, or even in an audio, each time it's played, it's offensive to God. And as a result, the demons gain empowerment through it. So if you have like, if you have a sex scene in a movie, if it's replicated on a million screens, God's offended every single time that thing appears on any screen. And so that really does gain, gain the demons' power. And this is one of the reasons why the demons will do everything they can to maintain immorality in certain areas. Usually in the areas of six commandments, where we were talking about pedophilia, which is really empowering to the demons.

• 1:15:37Speaker 04

  Especially when the pedophilia involves killing a child and a, and a ritualistic sacrifice. The demons gain, uh, they, they really gain a certain amount of power of that. And then the other, um, we also gain power just out of, uh, you know, our sinfulness and things of that sort. But this is how they become empowered through those particular things.

• 1:15:58Shawn Ryan?

  You had mentioned the woman that you were talking about earlier, she had occult knowledge.

• 1:16:03Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:16:03Shawn Ryan?

  That, that, that, that, the way, the way you made it sound, it just, it just appeared in her mind.

• 1:16:09Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's right.

• 1:16:10Shawn Ryan?

  Like a, like a, like a download or something. What, what is, what is occult knowledge?

• 1:16:15Speaker 04

  It's basically demons can feed people two kinds of information. So occult knowledge is of two kinds. The first is, is they can just put an image in your imagination about what's happening in another location. Um, or what, uh, if a demon is putting a thought in someone's head, they can actually put the thought in someone else's head and tell this person, this is what this guy's thinking. So they can, that's how, that's, you see that somewhat commonly. So they can give us particular knowledge about things that are actually happening. Then this can be even through a person's history. So they can, you know, you walk in and all of a sudden, if the person is possessed, they can start telling else. The demons will just, if they've, if they're manifested, they'll start telling you about things that have happened in your history and you've never even met this person. So they, it, it, it deals with particular knowledge. The other kind is, um.

• 1:16:59Shawn Ryan?

  Could that be, could that be the other side as well?

• 1:17:02Speaker 04

  In what sense?

• 1:17:03Shawn Ryan?

  Could the good side, could, could, could God send somebody to read your mind?

• 1:17:09Speaker 04

  Um, yes, they can. By, it's called divine revelation. That can happen, but it's, it's, it's extraordinarily rare. Um, and just as the demons can put stuff in our minds, our guardian angels and angels can put stuff in our minds as well for the good. To, to kind of clue us in and things of that sort. The other form is kind of a generalized knowledge of, it's like a science. So demons can actually teach people things about, um, how like physical things work. That's my, that I, I'm personally convinced that that, even though I'm kind of a fan of a lot of his work, is Tesla. You know, when Tesla was coming up with all these ideas, I'm like, how did this guy come up? And he actually describes

• 1:17:51Speaker 04

  how the, his inventions would come into his mind all completely, the design all complete at once, instantaneously. It wasn't that he thought, okay, if I do this and I put this together and put this, it wasn't that, it was just the whole thing comes together in his mind. That's, that's how demons actually communicate their knowledge to him. Um, so. And there is some, um, uh, report, I'm still trying to track down the veracity of it, but there's a report that he was actually involved in spiritualism. So, which is a spiritualism, which is a form of the occult. So, um, but anyway, so they can give us those kinds of knowledge. I've had, and you see this like in cases in session. Um, people who have not had any seriously, serious theological training.

• 1:18:35Speaker 04

  When the demons are talking, they're making theological distinctions that, you know, someone who has my level of study knows, but the person who's possessed has no clue what it means. In fact, sometimes they'll come out of the session and like, what does that mean? They don't even know what, what it means, but it's actually, um, very, you know, it's, it's at a level that you just, and it's very clear and it's very precise. And their distinctions, their wording is done in such a way that you realize, okay, this is somebody who knows something occultly. This is not, uh, this is not a human being. Obsession. So obsession is when they attack our interior faculties. Specifically the imagination and emotions again.

• 1:19:15Speaker 04

  Uh, but unlike ordinary temptation, this is extraordinary where it's very powerful and very strong. And the pattern that you'll tend to see with that is, um, the person will, it'll just switch on and it just switches off. If it's a psychological condition, it will tend to be, um, it'll switch on because if something external happens and the person just reacts to it. Or it'll be because, um, psychological illnesses involved, uh, intellectual and other kinds of habits. It's consistent and it tends to act that way. So the person's always thinking about this. Whereas when it's diabolic obsession, all of a sudden, boom, they're thinking about something. They can't get their mind off of it. And then, you know, they might pray or they might do something else and then boom, it shuts off. And so that's kind of the pattern that you tend to see.

• 1:20:00Speaker 04

  It'll switch on, it switches off. Um, but it's, it's, the demon sees the person's imagination and they can't think outside the box. It's like they get tunnel vision and everything they see is seen in that light. Then they can also move people's emotions independently of what's in our imagination. Because the way we're designed, uh, um, psychologically is, our emotions are moved by the perspective of the image that we have in our imagination. So for example, when a guy's first marriage, his perspective on his wife is she's lovable, she's nice, she's kind to me. It's a good perspective, right? She's just, look, she brought me my beer. She's such a great wife, etc. 10 years later, after they've had a lot of knock down, drag out

• 1:20:42Speaker 04

  fights, the perspective is she hasn't changed, but the perspective has changed. And so they have, he has a different emotional reaction the first, when she walks into the room. So it's, and that's how we can actually change our emotional states just by what the perspective we take on it. Well, the demons can put that perspective on it, but what they can, and they can do that in diabolic obsession, which they often do, we call it running commentary, where it doesn't matter what the person tries to reason in relationship to, how this person's not like that way. Yeah, but then there's the, the demon just keeps dragging it back to that perspective. But the other thing is they can move the emotions without anything in the imagination. So a person just all of a sudden, boom, they're just angry and they're like, why are you angry? I don't know. I don't know why I'm mad, right? And then it shuts off just as quickly. So sometimes

• 1:21:27Speaker 04

  you pray over people who are diabolically obsessed. When you pray over them, all of a sudden, they feel this lifting of that perspective and that emotional state. They just feel it lift, and then they seem liberated. And then eventually it'll kind of set back in. In most cases, once in a while, it'll stop altogether. But how entrenched the obsession is, or how strong it is, is going to determine how long of a period of lucidity they're going to have. So if they, if you pray over them and then, you know, for a half a day, they're like, man, I feel great. I'm not thinking about this anymore, you know, and they can engage in normal things, and then it starts to slowly set back in. Well, then that tells you it's pretty strong. Whereas if it goes a week or two, and then it sits back in, then that means it's pretty light,

• 1:22:10Speaker 04

  and you just have to do certain things to, to get it blown out. Does that mean it leaves and comes back, or is it still in there? So the way obsession works is, is that there's what they call a period of crisis and a period of lucidity. So, once a person is diabolically obsessed, unless they do specific spiritual things to get rid of it, it's going to persist where they're going to go through periods of crisis where they're, they're obsessing about these particular things they can't get their mind off. It can be anger, or fear, or it can be anything, self-loathing, it can be all sorts of things. Or even, you know, that's why it's self-hatred. I tell people, look, that's what demons do. You got to stop it, you know? But the, but then there's also, um, then they go through a period of lucidity where

• 1:22:54Speaker 04

  they might have a day or two where they feel fine again and they, they seem okay and then it sets back in. And so that's the general pattern you're gonna see. The longer it goes on, they're gonna spiral downwards and it's gonna get worse and worse and worse. And eventually it gets to the point where they don't have hardly any periods of lucidity. And it's usually at that point that the demons will drive them to do something in that obsession. And the person's become weaker through that process. Um, of giving into it and ruminating about it because each time they, they give into the thought, they're empowering the demon to stay there. So over the course of time, it gets to the point where the, it gets to the point where the person, excuse me, spirals downward.

• 1:23:35Speaker 04

  And then they, demons will convince them to do something that's gravely sinful. And that opens the door to possession and that's their goal.

• 1:23:47Speaker 04

  Possession. Okay, so possession is where demons actually take possession of a part of the body or the whole. And it, and so there's two kinds of possession. There's perfect possession where the person has given themselves over to the demon entirely. And then the demon possesses the whole body and the demon is manifested all the time. Now, we don't know necessarily notice that. And we can't necessarily tell, the way you're gonna know it is by what we call secondary signs of possession. Like malice, mendacity, um, uh, animus delendi, it doesn't matter. Every time this person got, that there's, there was a politician who every time I saw this guy, I said, this guy's gotta be possessed because every single thing he did maximized damage within his capacity to do so.

• 1:24:32Speaker 04

  Right? And so you'll see those kinds of things, even though they, they don't greater naturally manifest, like they're not gonna morph into something. Um, and or to show occult knowledge or any type of thing. Everywhere and in each situation they're in, they just cause damage or cause difficulties. Uh, mendacity, um, just a variety. So there's a number of different secondary signs. Um, but that's perfect possession, which is rare. And exorcists never see those because those people are not interested in getting liberated. Because they actually like the possession because the demon's giving them something as a result of a little perk for it. So they've realized they're possessed.

• 1:25:09Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:25:10Shawn Ryan?

  Understand that they're.

• 1:25:11Speaker 04

  Yes, they know because at a certain point he reveals himself to him and says, if you give, if you give me possession or give me your soul or whatever the case is, then I will give you X in return for it. And then the person by that time, though, perfect possessions don't happen until the person has gotten to the point where they've given into the normal possession for some time. So there's that's, um, that's, uh, that's perfect possession. Then there's, um, partial possession. Um, and that's where the demons only possess a part of the body and they're only, they'll only manifest during part of the time. And so the demon's not necessarily in the driver's seat all the time. And so they go through periods of crisis and lucidity as well. And so those are the different kinds of possession and possession is you can have

• 1:25:56Speaker 04

  a number of different possessors in a case. Sometimes you get just one demon possessing. Sometimes you'll get, uh, Legion. You know, I've had a case where it was actually Legion. I'm like, yeah, I can see it because this woman was a walking vacuum cleaner. It didn't matter who she was around. She picked up that person's diabolic baggage. Um, but, uh, but then it can also be, um, you know, as I mentioned, there are all different kinds of possessors, you know, be Satan, Lucifer, Beelzebub, Ball, the generals, which we talked about or mentioned. It can be just a number of different ones of them. Um, and then also possession is by degree. And so you can have somebody who's might be possessed by a fair number of demons, but you can get them out pretty quickly. Others might just be one or two possessors, but you have to grind on it for a long period of time.

• 1:26:43Shawn Ryan?

  When we're talking about the occult and, and, and satanic rituals and worshiping and are these people, are they possessed? Are they hoping to be possessed?

• 1:26:55Shawn Ryan?

  They want to be possessed? Are they inviting demons into their, into their soul, into their mind, into their body?

• 1:27:02Speaker 04

  Uh, yeah, they, they, okay. So there's, um, varying degrees. Some of them are not actually, they're actually not possessed. They're just involved in it because they, they, um, the demons do reward them like by obsession or by giving them pleasure in doing sadistic things. And so they'll, um, they're not necessarily possessed. Some of them are possessed and that's why they're actually involved in it and they know they're possessed. Some of them, as I mentioned too, there's like these, the, the family histories where it's in the family line. So the possession, actually, the, the father will actually have children and then do a ritual to get the demon that's possessing him into the child.

• 1:27:39Speaker 04

  So that passes from generation to generation. So they'll have generational possession that's been going on for, you know, literally hundreds of years in some cases. And so those people, um, they know they're possessed and, uh, they like it.

• 1:27:53Shawn Ryan?

  So is that, is that like generational trauma?

• 1:27:57Speaker 04

  Uh, well, it's distinct from generational trauma in the sense that generational trauma is something that gets passed from generation to generation. But it's more of a psychological thing, even though demons can be involved in it. Um, but you can have, um, generational trauma without it being possession. But it can, the trauma, the possession can be the result of the trauma.

• 1:28:17Shawn Ryan?

  So when you're saying a father does a ritual on his, on his offspring to, to carry on the possession.

• 1:28:24Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:28:24Shawn Ryan?

  What would that look like?

• 1:28:26Speaker 04

  Uh, well, very often it's just some type of, either like a black mask or some type of other satanic ritual that they actually have. Cause they have a variety of different ones that they do. Sometimes it just involves satanic ritual abuse of their own child. Um, they'll abuse the child sexually or some other fashion. So you'll see that, uh, they'll do specific things to, uh, um, rituals that are somewhat designed for them. But it's usually some type of black mask or satanic ritual abuse that, that occurs.

• 1:28:53Shawn Ryan?

  You said black mask?

• 1:28:55Speaker 04

  Black mask.

• 1:28:56Shawn Ryan?

  Black mask, black mask. And so if it's, if it's sexual in nature or, or, or, you know, something horrific like that. I would imagine that creates a hatred between the father and the, and the son or the father and the daughter.

• 1:29:15Speaker 04

  Yes, it does, yeah.

• 1:29:17Shawn Ryan?

  And so how would that get carried on?

• 1:29:21Speaker 04

  Do they teach them later in life, this is what you have to do to your kids? How does it, how does it get paid forward? Oh yeah, they do. Just, just as you would teach your kids about Christ and give them catechesis about this is how you're, you know, this is what we believe about Christ, this is how you behave. They do the same thing, except in relationship to their occult practices and Satan. So they do the same thing. Why would that person want to carry it forward, though? Uh, because of the fact that, um, usually during that process, they'll teach them rituals which empower them in relationship to other people or other things, or they'll, or, um, you know, especially with, um, with the boys, not so much with the girls.

• 1:29:59Speaker 04

  Um, very often what will happen is, is that they'll teach the boys how to engage in satanic ritual abuse, which is sexual in nature. And the, the boys physically enjoy it. And so they'll, they'll have that motivation. So there can be natural motivations. Um, two, once the possession occurs, the demons will drive the person to want to know more about it. Okay, okay. And then the last one. Subjugation. So subjugation is when people make a pact with the devil. Which, if I remember right, when Dan said, you know, demons can't make a pact, technically speaking, a pact is a contract. In order to validly enter into a contract, you have to be able to have assurance that the other person, that both parties

• 1:30:43Speaker 04

  can fulfill the terms of the contract. Well, demons can't guarantee that they can actually give you the terms of the contract. Because of the fact that even though we can do something sinful and that opens the door, only God, Christ, is the one who determines whether they can step across the threshold. And we, the, we, the way we know this is actually, again, going back to that, uh, where the demoniac has legion and they, they ask to go into the pigs. The demons know Christ, because Christ himself said, "All authority has been given to me on heaven and earth," right? They know that, that they can't do anything without his permission. And that's why the demons approach him and say, "Let us go into the pigs." Because if they could do whatever they wanted, they would've just went into the pigs. They wouldn't even have asked him. But they didn't. They knew that he determines anything that they can do.

• 1:31:28Speaker 04

  Their spiritual warfare, the battle, the complexion of spiritual warfare is entirely determined by Christ. How much, you know, who can possess somebody, the degree of the possession, what kinds of manifestations they can do, all those things, Christ completely determines, even in relationship to ourselves, the types of temptations that we undergo and that type of thing. Christ is the one who determines what the temptation can be, the degree of the temptation, how long it's going to go on, et cetera. So, they can't step across the threshold unless he gives them permission. It's the same, so in a pact with the devil, they know that, they don't know if Christ is going to give them permission, or sometimes he does give them permission to fulfill the terms of the contract. Sometimes he doesn't.

• 1:32:11Speaker 04

  And so, one case I had, the possessor was the noonday devil, which is mentioned in Psalm 91. So that you have, this guy was possessing this particular person, and so at a certain point, I asked the guy, well, how did you, you know, what was the, how did you, how do you think you became possessed? He said, oh, I made a pact with the devil. I said, well, what was promised you? He said, money and fame. And I said, did you get it? No. I said, well, that's because they can't necessarily give it to you. Whereas other people have made pacts with the devil and have become famous and have become rich, et cetera. And so, that subjugation though is when that person enters into a pact with the devil, and in order to end the subjugation, not the effects of the subjugation, but the subjugation

• 1:32:54Speaker 04

  itself, they just have to renounce the pact. But the effects can continue, because you can have people who renounce the pact, but then the effects of the pact continue, so the possession continues, or the diabolic influence in their family continue. This is the one, this is the thing that we tend to see quite a bit in relationship to the Freemasonic curse, they'll make, they'll move up the ranks of Freemasonry, but the effects, even after they leave Freemasonry and renounce it, the effects, unless they do it in a very structured way, which will break the effects, the children, and very often the wife and stuff, will start to still suffer those effects.

• 1:33:33Shawn Ryan?

  This is the stuff that I really want to talk to you about. The voluntary, voluntarily making a pact with the devil, these contracts. I mean, how does, how does it happen? Where's the approach? Is it in your mind? Is it, is it from somebody in the occult? How, how does this happen?

• 1:33:51Speaker 04

  The way it normally happens with most people is, is that they'll hear about it, that certain people gained fame and power and as a result, or wealth, as a result of being involved in the occult. And so if they make a pact with the devil, the demons can actually provide these particular things. And so they'll actually just, they might do a little bit of research on the internet or something like that, but they'll actually just, you know, pronounce that I make a pact with the devil for X in relationship to, so that, you know, X and I get Y. Okay. Now, that's kind of one of the lower level kinds of things. Sometimes the demons will suggest it to the person, you know, "Why don't you make a pact with the devil?"

• 1:34:34Speaker 04

  So they, because they can tempt people in relationship to that. That going from partial possession to full possession, there's always a pact that's made. So the demons are always going to be the ones that suggest that. There are historical cases where the demons will actually even appear if the person's particularly bad, or they really want this person, and they've been working on him for a while to gain some type of psychological compatibility with the demons, with the person. The demons themselves will actually appear to the person and suggest the pact. One case I actually dealt with, a woman basically made a pact with the devil and he showed up to, to fulfill his side of the pact.

• 1:35:15Speaker 04

  The, there are also instances, very rare historically, where the demons will actually appear with a handwritten note in the person's own blood. And then, because they can sometimes extract the person's blood from them in a variety of different accidents and things like that. Or they'll just tell the person, "Here, sign this with your own blood." And the person actually does it, and then the contract disappears. There's actually a ritual which is designed to force the demon to return the contract so that it can be destroyed. Because as long as the contract is in existence, the effects will continue.

• 1:35:54Shawn Ryan?

  So these are, these are conversations that could be inside of your head. These are conversations that could literally be right in front of you.

• 1:36:02Speaker 04

  That's right.

• 1:36:02Shawn Ryan?

  And you're fully aware of what's happening. This isn't, this isn't deception. This is, you do X for Y.

• 1:36:10Speaker 04

  Yeah. The reason they know is, is because they know the pact isn't binding legally in some fashion, even though technically speaking, it's against the natural law. So it doesn't have any binding force. But they know it doesn't bind a person unless the person voluntarily knows what's going on and actually says yes. If they're ignorant about it in any degree whatsoever, the fact, the pact isn't fully binding. And so that's why they'll spend a lot of time massaging the person psychologically in their sin and in a variety of other ways to get them to the point where they're be open to, that's that psychological compatibility, open to the pact. They'll work on the person first before they do that.

• 1:36:50Shawn Ryan?

  How many people do you think are doing this? I mean, it's, we saw the P Diddy stuff, the Epstein stuff is going crazy. It has been going crazy for years. I mean, you see politicians just consistently lying, like knowingly lying, not, I couldn't accomplish that. And it's, it's, it's a straight up fucking lie.

• 1:37:12Speaker 04

  Yeah, I'm astounded frankly, that they can just look straight in your eye and just tell you something that's completely false and they don't, they're bad about nothing. And for all intents and purposes, you look like they, they look like they're convinced of it. Um, as far as the, I think in, you know, in some of the upper levels, I think there's a fair number of people that are doing that. Percentage wise, I would have no idea. But it's drastically on the rise. That's the thing that we've noticed because when I first started doing this work 18 years ago, the number of people that had been involved in that was fairly, there was not a whole lot of people that were involved in that. But as time goes on, we're seeing more and more of that where we're having to clean people up because of those kinds of things that are happening.

• 1:37:52Speaker 04

  And, um, the occult activity among the youth, especially those under the age of 25 is drastically on the rise. And so I think we're seeing, uh, much more of that type of thing happen.

• 1:38:05Shawn Ryan?

  What do you think about the stuff with the, for example, the latest Olympics opening ceremonies? Big pentagram in the middle of it, or, or the one prior to that also, the Winter Olympics, you know, the mockery of the Last Supper?

• 1:38:18Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:38:18Shawn Ryan?

  What is this? What is, is this a, is this?

• 1:38:21Speaker 04

  Well, it's like, did you ever see the ceremony for the opening of the tunnel in Switzerland? It was a full-blown ritual to Balfamet. So, I, I think that's just part of the.

• 1:38:30Shawn Ryan?

  What tunnel in Switzerland?

• 1:38:31Speaker 04

  There's a tunnel that they had, they had cut, I think it was like a 23-mile-long tunnel that they cut. And when they did the opening ceremonies for it, it was supposed to cut down on the travel significantly for people in, in between countries. And you can actually find it actually online, but when you watch it, it's a full-blown ritual to Balfamet. And so, I think that's all part of the revealing of the method, that the people that are at the top of these, you know, the, the political elites, the financial elite, even people that are in charge of, you know, stuff like the, the ceremonies that are the actual Olympics and that type of thing, these people that are at the very top of it, I don't know about specific individuals necessarily,

• 1:39:13Speaker 04

  specific individuals, but the people at the top, they're doing this stuff because they're revealing their belief. They're, they're revealing the method.

• 1:39:22Shawn Ryan?

  They just want everybody to see, they want us all to know that it's real? I mean, what, what is the point?

• 1:39:28Speaker 04

  The point is, is that demons are showmen, and so they get a certain amount of glory by this, by their stuff being manifest in this life. And so, that's why they like those two things being shown. But then also, a lot of it is just to, to, to normalize people's exposure to it, so people have seen it enough to where they become comfortable with it. And then from there, then they can start opening up the avenue a lot more towards getting people to actually believe it. Once it becomes normalized, that they've seen it enough, they're like, oh, okay, maybe I do believe that. Whereas if the first time you see something like that ritual to Balfamet, you're just like, that's just sick. That's just weird.

• 1:40:10Speaker 04

  Whereas if people, but if they just keep doing it, eventually it becomes normalized, and then people get used to it.

• 1:40:16Shawn Ryan?

  Do you think pedophilia will become normalized? Massive display of that happening right now.

• 1:40:24Speaker 04

  Yeah, there is. I think what's happening, I don't think it's going to be normalized in the sense that your average guy on the street is going to be doing it because it's against the natural law, right? We have natural inclinations and God inclines us towards certain things and if a guy has just natural virtue, he's going to find that stuff revulsive, right? So I think, you know, a vast percentage or majority of the people in their culture aren't going to ever do that type of thing. But I can see it getting to the point where especially if they start the psychological approach, which is, you know, what they're trying to do now. They're trying to remove pedophilia from the DSM. So they did just, because once it's removed from the DSM, then you can decriminalize it and then you can go from there, which is actually what they did with homosexuality. And so they want to do that.

• 1:41:07Speaker 04

  And so eventually I could see it getting to the point where people just think, yeah, that's normal, that's what Joe does, you know, or whatever the case is, rather than, you know, I like this, but he likes that, you know, I can see it becoming normalized in that fashion if they keep maintaining it. Because right now, the Epstein thing is to expose people to it in such a degree and the high level people being involved in it is done in such a manner that it gets people to realize that it's, they want to give people the impression that it's more ubiquitous, that it's everywhere, everybody's doing it, or that, you know, people who reach this, it's normal for the people who get to the top to do this kind of thing.

• 1:41:49Shawn Ryan?

  You think that's why, that was actually the next question, why do you think this is all being revealed right now?

• 1:41:55Speaker 04

  I think part of it's the revealing of the method. I think part of it is.

• 1:41:59Shawn Ryan?

  Is it showmanship?

• 1:42:00Speaker 04

  Showmanship. I think a lot of it's that.

• 1:42:02Shawn Ryan?

  Is there any good coming from it being revealed?

• 1:42:05Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think the fact, well, what's the good that's coming from it is that a majority of the population, at least in this country, is starting to realize that, you know, we have some sick people that are running things.

• 1:42:18Speaker 04

  So I think that's a good thing that people actually know because this stuff has been around for a while. These people have been doing this for a while. Part of it is too is I think God is forcing it to the surface so that we see how evil of a people we've become.

• 1:42:36Shawn Ryan?

  What do you think comes next?

• 1:42:39Speaker 04

  I think we're gonna get a divine spanking. I think we're gonna have some type of war, some type of thing that he's just gonna, because it says right in the scripture, it says that the wages of sin is death. I just don't see how we're not gonna get out of this situation without mass death.

• 1:42:55Shawn Ryan?

  Well, let's take a quick break and then when we come back, we'll get into some exorcisms.

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• 1:45:24Shawn Ryan?

  All right, Father, I want to move into kind of what happens? What's the, what's the process like? What goes on inside the room when an exorcism's happening?

• 1:45:34Speaker 04

  Depending on what the stage of the case is. So if we're just starting out, that's one thing. But if you're talking about just your average, where we already know the person's possessed, the demon's manifested in the past. Basically, what will happen is it's a very structured approach. So in many cases, if the person who's possessed can tolerate it, will actually offer mass so that the person can receive holy communion, which then weakens the demon significantly during the session. So then we'll, we'll say mass. We also encourage the person beforehand to have gone to confession before they get to, get to the session. So then the session, at the session, we'll say mass. And when the session begins, there's a series of prayers that we actually start before we start the formal ritual.

• 1:46:17Speaker 04

  And basically, the reason those are done is to provide everybody protection that's in the room. And it's also done to make sure that we clamp down on the demon from doing things that we, that are just distractions or bad behavior. Because usually by the time you get a month or two in, you kind of know what their patterns are going to be and what they're likely to do. And this is also to keep people physically protected so the demons don't do anything physically to harm anybody. So we do a series of prayers, binding prayers, which bind the demon from being able to do certain things. And then we'll actually start the formal ritual. So the ritual is, it's a Latin ritual. It usually starts out with a litany of the saints. And that is also diagnostic, because some, a lot of times when the demons...

• 1:47:04Speaker 04

  During different phases of the possession, they'll react to different saints at different times because, and usually you'll start finding out why you're reacting to this saint, and it's usually because it has something to do with the demon's particular sin, or the saint is going to be instrumental in interceding for this person that's possessed, etc., or the saint actually might be the nemesis of the particular demon that you're actually dealing with. So, for example, Saint Joan of Arc is the nemesis of Satan under the aspect of treason through ambition. And so, this is, which was in a case where that was what was the reason for the possession cases, that we'd actually come to knowledge about

• 1:47:47Speaker 04

  certain things going on in the world and in the church about how people were advancing themselves in political sphere and even in the church through, by committing treason, you know, and the ambition part was because they wanted positions of power and things of that sort. And the reason Joan of Arc was the nemesis in that particular case was because of the fact that she had been put to death by a bishop who was committing treason because he was siding with the English when he was French, so that he would get a bigger diocese. And so, he was committing treason through ambition. And so, she became the nemesis of Satan who was driving that whole process. She became the nemesis of Satan under that particular aspect. So, it's diagnostics, you can actually find out, and you afflict

• 1:48:31Speaker 04

  the demons by that process too, just for them to hear the names of people who are faithful afflicts them. Then you actually go, it kind of alternates between what we call deprecatory and implicatory prayers. So, you say a prayer and ask in Christ for specific things, and then you start, then you go into implicatory prayers, which is a commanding of the demons. And then, that's where the bulk of the ritual is done, where you're just, you're commanding the demons to consider specific things. Because the way the demons are weakened is they hear everything you say, because I mentioned, you know, their knowledge, they got this infused knowledge in the beginning. But all the particular things that happen as they occur is infused in the demon's intellect

• 1:49:11Speaker 04

  as it happens. And so as you're saying these things, he sees it in his intellect. And so the, the, what happens is in that process, you're basically forcing him to consider truths which are painful to his will, because they only have intellect and will. And so, and it causes pain in their will, and over the course of time, their will, just like ours, when we become fatigued, it gets to the point where it can't sustain the pain anymore, and then it gives in. And so that's the, you keep forcing him to consider certain truths and do certain things. So we'll do the, so we'll, that, and we're also, uh, the prayer of the church is being applied to him to try and cast him out.

• 1:49:49Speaker 04

  We're commanding him to leave, because the, uh, the demons know the authority structure perfectly. And so they know when the priest has received the faculties from the bishop, that he has the authority to command him to leave. And so, um, this is, you know, we even saw this with Christ. So Christ, uh, said, you know, he said, "By my name you will cast out demons." What he did not say is, "By my name you will cast out all demons." And how do we know that? Because he also says later to the apostles, "These types of demons can only be cast out by prayer and fasting." Okay, you still use Christ's name, but there's other things. Well, the authority of the church, so when Christ said to the apostles, "All authority has been given to me, go therefore and baptize all nations."

• 1:50:32Speaker 04

  He deputized the apostles and gave them an authority, which then is passed on to us as exorcists when we're doing it. That's how the Fathers talk about this lineage of authority being passed. That authority, then, the demons know that you have that authority. And if, if you first start out, um, you know, doing a diagnostic and you're praying over somebody, if the demon manifests, he might take your beating for a little while, but then at a certain point, he's just gonna say, "Where's your authority?" This is one of the reasons why Protestants have a certain degree of efficacy in, by using Christ's name, because it has a force of its own. And, uh, they might even do prayer and fasting and that type of thing. But there are certain kinds of possession, or certain levels of possession, where they end up on our doorstep, because they, they can't seem to get them liberated. And so that's when, once a priest has jurisdiction,

• 1:51:17Speaker 04

  then the demons, well, they don't ask where your authority is, because they already know where it's from, because it's already been, it's been infused in at all, just that the bishop told you that you could do this. So you do a series of prayers which causes them pain because they have to think about those particular things and it's against their will, contrary to their will. So what's happening is that the pain in their will is starting to, is to build. That's the whole goal is to get it to build to where they finally give you what you need to know in order to get them out. So you go between that and then praying and asking Christ for certain things and back into that. Once the ritual's done, if you know what the particular weaknesses are of the demon, then what you'll do is you'll switch to a set of prayers or make him pray. That's one of the things I'll do is I'll force the demon, okay, this is what you're gonna do.

• 1:51:59Speaker 04

  You're gonna say, so for example, one particular case, you're gonna say the litany of the precious blood. And so he was forced to talk about, the litany of the precious blood is a series of invocations to Christ through his precious blood about specific things like burning furnace of charity and things of that sort. So we forced him to say those particular prayers or we'll force them to praise like Our Lady or something like that. And then having to do that, it causes them, their pain to increase. And then once they get to a certain level of pain, then they're likely to give you the information. Once the session- What information? So the church tells you that there's essentially five things that you wanna know. You need to know how many possessors there are because you need to know, make sure that

• 1:52:44Speaker 04

  when the person's liberated, they're fully cleaned out. So there might be multiple demons? Yes, they have, yeah. What's the most you've seen? Well, I said that this, this one had legion. And I, I believe it was legion, but outside that context, the one that I've seen the most is 27. 27 demons and one human? Yeah. And it was a pretty sad case. This guy was a hurting, hurting, hurting unit, man, from all that. So most of them though, most of them are, it's somewhere between one to eight, maybe, are the most is what you tend to see as a general rule. I actually did see a case where I had, I did one case where I got rid of one demon of fear. The woman went out and did something really stupid and then when she came back, it was literally like scripture, one leaves and seven return, seven come back.

• 1:53:29Speaker 04

  And that was literally, she had seven. So, but, so the number of possessors, the names, because once you know the name, there's two aspects to the name. One, it gives you an identity. So for example, when I had Loki in a case- Um, once the demon revealed what his name was, then I was able to actually go and research historically Loki as a Norse god. Because the day it says right in scripture, all the gods are Gentiles or demons. And so you can actually just go and look at the um, the worship that they used to give to Loki in the past, uh, and to the Norse god of Loki. And uh, what you'll find out in there is almost, it was almost a complete description of

• 1:54:14Speaker 04

  his personality. Uh, you know, he's a, he's a god of mischief. And so he was just, he was just such a handle to get a hold of. But once you know that the name, then you can do some research or you can ask other exorcists, have you seen this guy? Um, et cetera. The second thing is the name gives you a power over them. Now demons will either reveal their name right off the bat, if it's not going to help, if it's not going to be mean that much. Um, or they'll hold out and hold out and hold out as long as they possibly can, because once you know their name, then it gives you a certain power over them. We actually experienced this as human beings. So if I call your name, hey Sean, if you're standing over there and I say, hey Sean, right? It, when it comes into your faculties and you hear it, it draws your attention. Well, it's the same thing with them.

• 1:54:58Speaker 04

  When you're using their name, it draws their attention and they can't get their mind off of the thing that you're telling them to do. And so it gives you a power actually over them. So the, the names, uh, how they got in, because a lot of times how they got in is how they're going to get out. Plus times, how they got in is very often, like if it's because they were wounded very badly, like a woman was raped or something of that sort, then you have may have be some psychological issues that have to be addressed first before she's going to get liberated. Um, and then, uh, the time and date of departure, when you're leaving. I don't ask that too often because they usually lie. Now someone about, only about 10% of the time do they actually tell the truth, but they usually lie. They'll say, I'm leaving tomorrow and then tomorrow comes and goes, they don't leave.

• 1:55:43Speaker 04

  And the reason they're doing that is they're trying to discourage the person who's possessed. Uh, and then the final last piece of information is what is it going to take to get you out? And usually it's something very simple. So in the last case that, uh, the woman was liberated that I was working with, um,

• 1:56:00Speaker 04

  It took us a long time to get out this piece of information. She had to go to, she had to go to a specific altar and a particular church. And I had to say a specific prayer over her and she would leave and he would leave. We did it, boom, he was out, but it took us a long time to get him to that point. That, that's piece of information is what they're gonna hold out. And there's six stages of liberation, stage six is liberation, stage five, that last piece of information's gonna come out in stage five.

• 1:56:31Shawn Ryan?

  Wow.

• 1:56:40Shawn Ryan?

  Well, you're talking about curses.

• 1:56:44Shawn Ryan?

  Does this play into this as well, curses? Can you ask who the curse came from?

• 1:56:48Speaker 04

  Yes, well, they'll often reveal it. So if the, if the person's possessed, so if the person's possessed, you'll actually, if they're not possessed, the demons can't talk necessarily. They just, whereas if the person's possessed, you can beat him to the surface and force him to talk and he'll talk. And then at that point, they'll, in order for the, if the person was cursed, you have to break the curse. And that's gonna be how you're gonna liberate them. And so as a result, the demon's gonna have to tell you at some point who cursed them and how it was done. And then there's usually specific things that you can do to infer those or break the curses.

• 1:57:26Shawn Ryan?

  How many demons are there?

• 1:57:28Speaker 04

  Billions, literally. So, uh, when God created all the angels, he created the entire hierarchy of angels instantaneously all at once. Um, and so, uh, starting from the, uh, seraphim, which is at the top, all the way down to just angels at the bottom. Of the class of the angels alone, there's one subset, which is the guardian angels. And every human being that has reached, uh, that has basically been born or, uh, basically been conceived, has had a guardian angel created specifically for that particular individual. So you're talking billions just in that one subclass. The number of angels that fell is from Book of Revelation where Satan took a third of the stars with his tail and swept them down.

• 1:58:11Speaker 04

  So that's, the fathers say that that means that a third of the angels actually fell. Now, not a third get to possess or have much to do with us in this life. Most of the possessions that we see are from the top rank, which is the top three choirs, the thrones, the cherubim and the seraphim. So, you know, Satan was from Beelzebub, but there would also be Baal, Asmodeus, Leviathan, Lilith, Asmodeus, Balfamet, and then also Moloch, those ones in the middle. There's also other ones like Abaddon, who are kind of in the middle. You don't see too many in the middle tier very often. And then you'll see a lot of the lower grunt guys at the bottom, whose job is to just

• 1:58:56Speaker 04

  kind of do the bidding of the guys at the top. And so those were where you see most of the possessed and demons coming from.

• 1:59:03Shawn Ryan?

  And so when they name themselves, is this all recorded? When you're talking about billions of demons and you get one to name itself during an exorcism, you go do some research. I mean, how many times has it been where it wasn't recorded?

• 1:59:20Speaker 04

  Uh, most of it.

• 1:59:23Shawn Ryan?

  Most of it.

• 1:59:24Speaker 04

  Yeah, because historically, to be an exorcist was done by mentorship. So what would happen is if you were chosen to be an exorcist, you would go and study under some guy for like a year to two years. And then he would teach you all these things, you know, that we're talking about. And so you would learn those things and you'd learn the names of demons and you'd see them in session and get a sense for them before you started out on your own. But because of the number of exorcists collapsed in the church, and then now they're just trying to get it back up off the ground, we teach classes, actually. My community and I, we'd actually teach classes. And then there's also a place in Mongoline that teaches courses on this particular topic. And so, but then we encourage people to come and sit in on session because it's one thing for me to tell you that, oh yeah, people's changed shape during session, you know, during,

• 2:00:09Speaker 04

  and it's another thing to actually see it and see what you're actually looking at. So, because anytime demons pray to naturally manifest, there's a revelation.

• 2:00:18Speaker 04

  Something about the demon, it's called the cause is always some way in the effect. It's a philosophical principle. The cause is always some way in the effect. And so they're revealing it. So when they do those types of things, um, my, um, those things don't, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, the only thing I'm really interested in is, what am I seeing? What can I learn from what is going on with this guy? Cause I gotta, that information's gonna tell me something about him. It's gonna be helpful for me to get him out.

• 2:00:42Shawn Ryan?

  But, but before we move into shape shifting and that kind of stuff, I'm just curious. So is it, would that be, would that be your responsibility to record? A new name with a new personality?

• 2:00:55Speaker 04

  Uh, so we don't, we don't necessarily record it, but we are actually in the process of building a database. Um, so that exorcists would have access to the database because, uh, you know, some of the common ones like Satan is for those things. Or even some of the more common ones like Abaddon is a demon of destruction. You'll get, uh, you know, you can find out a fair amount of information about these guys. We'll, we'll put those in the database, but there's a lot of ones that are less known. Um, and so exorcists come across them. You know, I've come across, uh, demons that other exorcists haven't. They've come across demons that I've never even heard of, or nobody's ever even heard of. Um, and it seems authentic, et cetera.

• 2:01:35Speaker 04

  So we want to get a database so that going forward, exorcists, if they come across somebody, they don't have to spend all the time doing the research. They can just quickly go take a look at the database and get a sense of, this is what the guy's weaknesses are. This is what he got out in these particular, these session, these cases. This is what got him out. This is his, his, his history. Cause like if you, the god of Isis or Osiris, those are Egyptian gods, but those are also demons. So if you know what those are, then you can actually, um, you know, we can, don't have to go and read a bunch of Egyptian in order to know what these guys are.

• 2:02:09Shawn Ryan?

  Can a demon possess multiple people at one time?

• 2:02:12Speaker 04

  Yeah, he can.

• 2:02:15Speaker 04

  I actually had a case of that, well, two cases.

• 2:02:20Speaker 04

  Where the same possessor was possessing two sisters who were blood related.

• 2:02:27Speaker 04

  And so when we would do sessions with one, the other one would manifest from time to time outside of the session.

• 2:02:32Shawn Ryan?

  Holy shit.

• 2:02:33Speaker 04

  So we, we had, uh, we had to do a lot of stuff to keep them, um, you know, from what we call cross-animation, which is where, you know, when they're around each other, the demons are gonna manifest. So you see that from time to time where someone who's possessed, they'll get around someone else who's possessed. And whoever has the lower demons in them will be the one where the lowest demon will manifest in the presence of the bigger demon. But they do can, they can possess more than once, more than one. They generally can only act on one thing at a time.

• 2:03:05Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 2:03:06Speaker 04

  But Thomas Aquinas says that they can act on a number of different things at the same time if it all falls under the same conceptual idea. So for example, someone can juggle where they're keeping several things in the air at once. Demons can act on like, I'm gonna act on these three people that I'm possessing because I'm, uh, you know, my access to them is the same and so they can act on three people at the same time. Um, but normally they don't do that.

• 2:03:38Shawn Ryan?

  And it sounds like all of these demons were false gods at some point. You said god of the, a Norse god, Egyptian gods, Baal, Moloch.

• 2:03:49Speaker 04

  Yeah. Uh, not.

• 2:03:51Shawn Ryan?

  Aphromed.

• 2:03:52Speaker 04

  Yeah, so all the gods of the Gentiles are demons, which is true. I mean, the only ones I haven't come across are ones like for the Romans. Like I haven't come across Mars or Jupiter or something like that. But, uh, the Egyptian gods come across, you know, several of those, the Norse ones. The Norse ones are taking them, they're, they're rising up because of the, um, they're being, uh, introduced or being used in video games and things of that sort that the young men are doing. So they're starting to see more of those. Um, but not all the, but not all the, uh, the demons made themselves out to be a god to someone else. So Satan never really did, even though he wants people to worship him.

• 2:04:34Speaker 04

  He doesn't have a specific religion. He wants his own.

• 2:04:38Shawn Ryan?

  And they all fall under him.

• 2:04:39Speaker 04

  They do, yeah.

• 2:04:44Shawn Ryan?

  What about Greek gods?

• 2:04:47Speaker 04

  Uh, yeah, it's the same. Uh, some, we've, I've seen exorcist scenes, some we haven't. So, um, I suspect at some point, some exorcist has come across, you know, Venus or whatever, but, um, we just, we just, we just don't hear about it too often.

• 2:05:05Shawn Ryan?

  And so when we get into, or, I mean, looking back through time when we're talking about Norse gods, Baal, Moloch, Greek god, any gods that, you know, throughout history.

• 2:05:20Shawn Ryan?

  Does that mean that those gods were introduced by a demon?

• 2:05:24Speaker 04

  Uh, very often. So what will happen is, uh, historically, either the demon will, um, possess somebody in a particular culture and then from there, the person kind of becomes like this oracle from which the rituals and the worship is, um, designed and the people are swayed into doing it.

• 2:05:46Speaker 04

  Uh, it's, you're not going to have a case where they're actually going to appear as a general rule, although that has happened historically, where demons will appear as angels of light, um, and claim to be, you know, from God and then say, this is what you're supposed to, that then getting the person to start their own religion. Um, we've seen that happen a couple of times, actually. Um, one in more modern history and one six, you know, year 600. So we've seen those particular things happen.

• 2:06:14Shawn Ryan?

  What was the one in modern history?

• 2:06:15Speaker 04

  Uh, the Mormons.

• 2:06:19Speaker 04

  So, I mean, I'm sure there's a lot of the Mormons out there are not going to be happy that I said that, but, um, the, uh, you know, the angel that appeared to him, you know, there's a, it actually gets to the, uh, right, the line from St. Paul, which is actually on the outside of the cathedral in, um, in, uh, Salt Lake, if I'm not mistaken, but out in the outside of, you know, even if, even if an angel were to preach to you another gospel. So you have those, um, those particular things that are actually, uh, they're actually, and the other thing is too, is that, at least in the relationship with the Mormons, I don't want to get too deep into it, but the, um, that it's actually, um, it's a modified form of Freemasonry anyway.

• 2:07:03Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, that sounds like the ultimate deception if they come to you in a light, you know, to appear to be angelic. I mean,

• 2:07:10Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:07:11Shawn Ryan?

  how does that look in God's eyes?

• 2:07:14Speaker 04

  Uh.

• 2:07:15Shawn Ryan?

  Fall into that deception?

• 2:07:16Speaker 04

  Well, God's allowing it, obviously, because they, they literally, like I said, the battlefield is completely determined by Christ, so Christ is allowing it. And I once asked this one colleague of mine, I said, well, what do you think is the reason for the Muslims? He said, to afflict the West, right? So God will allow these particular things to afflict us in order for us to get our act together, but also to reveal to us that, look, if you start your own religion, it's just gonna go bad, and it's just not gonna be true. So I think in, in God's eyes, I think that's part of it. But I think on the side of the human beings, we're just easily deceived.

• 2:07:52Speaker 04

  Because demons do, they can present themselves in a very positive light. Everywhere from anything from actually appearing as an angel of light, you know, where people actually see this bright figure appear in front of them, all the way down to giving people amorous feelings, to where they, so the person's, oh, it must be from God, because, you know, it's helping me to love people more. No, that's not necessarily the case.

• 2:08:17Shawn Ryan?

  Will we be judged for that? I mean, that's, that's, that, it just sounds like the ultimate deception, almost. And he allowed it.

• 2:08:24Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:08:25Shawn Ryan?

  So how can, I mean, can we be blamed? If we're that, I mean, earlier you had mentioned, you know, we're stupid.

• 2:08:32Speaker 04

  But we are stupid. We are stupid. On the other hand, we're not that stupid. So, you know, how much, what degree of deception, I mean, ultimately, God would be able to judge the particular individual's soul. So it might be possible that someone started their own religion, not knowing that they were completely deceived. But I, my experience in reading about these people's history is there's often points that after they've had these experiences, that it becomes clear to them, or they start having the thoughts, you know, maybe I'm possessed, or maybe this isn't from God. And so they don't take, they don't take the necessary steps to properly discerning. The other thing is too, is, you know, it's kind of that line in scripture, I was duped, and I let myself be duped.

• 2:09:18Speaker 04

  People, people, the demons appeal to people's pride of, God has chosen you to start this religion. And so that's one of the signs you always see in people who start the research is always a pride element.

• 2:09:36Speaker 04

  So they let themselves be deceived. And then it continues because of pride. Yeah, that's right.

• 2:09:44Speaker 04

  Well, then, yeah, and plus they get all the attention, fanfare, etc. Which plays under the pride. Yeah.

• 2:09:53Speaker 04

  What are some of the, what are some of the things you've seen during an exorcism? Levitation, you had mentioned shape shifting. Yeah. If you've seen it on Hollywood, I've seen it. But it's only in about seven percent, seven percent of the cases are you going to see things that are really out there. Um, most of the cases, the thing that you're going to see the most of is morphing. That's our technical name for you mentioning shape shifting. We call it morphing, which is basically where the person changes form or shape. And that's about in the cases that you have, that's about eighty to ninety percent of what you're going to see. Where the person will actually change shape and so they'll, um, for example, the women will change all of a sudden their facial structure changes and it looks like a man, so.

• 2:10:38Speaker 04

  Like a skinwalker. Yeah, exactly. And so you'll, you'll, they, there's also certain kind of complexion changes. Um, but the, the morphing can be everything from just all of a sudden that, you know, women kind of look like a man all the way down to they'll change into the shape of animals. Have you personally seen this? Most of the ones that, um, I've, um, been knowledgeable about is what exorcists who trained me have seen or in the cases that they've seen. So I did assist a priest in a case where the, um, anytime the priest would put his stole on the back of the person's head, the front of the person's face would just go and change into the shape of a wolf. The guys, they just come out. If he'd take it back off, it'd go back. And so, you know, things of that.

• 2:11:24Speaker 04

  Usually, like I said, if you're seeing the change of shape, it's telling you something about them. Um, and that's why, uh, you know, when it comes to a lot of this stuff, they tend to be showmen. And so a lot of it's just parlor tricks. You have to be, you have to know when you're just being played with and just ignore it. Um, but, uh, which is with levitation, I just don't tolerate it. You know, I've seen it and, um. How many times have you seen it? Uh, I've, uh, personally, I've only seen it twice, but that's only because I tend to see other things like extreme forms of occult knowledge where people know stuff that there's no way this person could ever know this, right? Exorcism, well, so like if you go, if you go to Italy, there's one exorcist, he sees levitation almost all the time. Other exorcists who have done it as long as I have have never even seen it.

• 2:12:10Speaker 04

  So it changes depending based upon the particular exorcist. He'll tend to see more things other than once. Uh, seen a lot of morphing, that type of thing. Um, but, but the one I tend to see the most is occult knowledge or language, speaking languages. That there's, uh, there's no way. In fact, I kind of laughed because when they put out the movie nefarious, they were doing interviews afterwards and they said, oh yeah, we consulted Father Ripper. And I'm like, I don't remember talking to these guys. So I contacted my, you know, they seemed straightforward enough, you know, and the movie was actually pretty decent as far as it goes. And I'm like, so I asked my assistant, do we have any, do we have any interaction with these guys? No, we got none. Well, then later they said, oh no, we just listened to all these videos, right?

• 2:12:52Speaker 04

  But in there they got something wrong though, because there was an actual case where the, the, um, this guy that was possessed started speaking a form of Phoenician that had been defunct for thirty five hundred years. We didn't even know what he was speaking. We had to write it down phonetically. Um, and then somebody who studies languages took a look at it and said, we think that's how this particular form of Phoenician was spoken. This kid didn't even finish high school. So, um, you'll see, uh, so they'll, they'll see different things, but I've seen levitation twice. Um, what, what do you think in when you see levitation? Uh, I get annoyed by it frankly. That's it? You just get annoyed? Yeah, because of the fact that usually they're doing it like the case that I had, one of them was ball.

• 2:13:36Speaker 04

  He likes levitating, so I just don't tolerate it because he's trying to distract you and get you focusing on, well, that's kind of weird, never seen that before, you know, that's what he's trying to get you to do. When you should be focusing on other things and just hammering him and it's his way to try and gain control over the particular sessions. So that's why you just, you just don't, I just don't tolerate it. That's why in the beginning I said those set of prayers we say before we start the formal rite, to clamp down on any of that type of thing from happening. Do you ever worry that you'll be the one that's deceived?

• 2:14:09Speaker 04

  Uh, well, you get deceived um from time to time as an exorcist anyway. Cause you'll, you'll ask them, uh, not necessarily about the broader picture like in theology or things like that. But they're gonna deceive you about the particulars of the case. They'll say things like, oh, well, the way you're gonna get me out of here is, uh, is um, you have to say this prayer, you know, over her three times or something like that. And then so like, alright, that could be the case. So then you say it three times and then nothing happens. And so, and then they'll laugh at you and you just, you know, you just, then you just, you know, work on your humility, knowing that that's gonna happen and Christ lets it happen for the sake of your own sanctification and for your own recognition

• 2:14:51Speaker 04

  that ultimately they only have to tell you what they tell you when he tells them they have to tell you. And so even though you're commanding them and sometimes they'll, they'll give you information because they, Christ tells them, okay, you can tell them this stuff, but you can't talk about this stuff yet or what have you. Um, and so, uh, there's times when they'll just, you're, you're hammering them for weeks on end and they just, they say, I'll tell you, I can't, he won't let me tell you. Now, sometimes they're lying even about that, but usually you can kind of tell. Cause they, the way that, when they're telling you the truth about something when they're under duress is they'll give you a flat pan to answer, like, no, it's this. Whereas they're bad liars. So when they're lying to you, it's like listening to a 16 year

• 2:15:33Speaker 04

  old girl who got caught being outside the house by her father. Like, what are you doing outside? No, no, it wasn't this. It wasn't this, you know, that kind of a thing. So they're bad. They're really bad liars as a general. And the stuff that they propose is just silly. But the other thing is too, is it coherent? It's called the principle of coherence. It fits the possession case or what you know theologically to be the case. And so, you know, you know, that this particular, so for one, one case, the demons kept saying she has to go to Lourdes. She has to go to Lourdes. Well, God had been giving her grace to want to go to Lourdes and go into the waters. And so she went to Lourdes, went into the waters and came out and then was partially liberated. So those, there's a lot of times you can kind of ferret out, but you do get deceived. It's just part of the humiliation.

• 2:16:18Speaker 04

  The other thing is too, is they'll make a fool of you. They have, from time to time, because they know we're just not that bright compared to them. And they also have, they know the structure and the dynamics of the spiritual realities that we're dealing with, which we don't necessarily know them. And so they know we don't know them. But that's why, as an exorcist, you have to stay in your lane. You have to stay. There's a set of principles and ways in which you proceed and you just stay there and eventually you'll get him out. Just don't go outside that because they'll try and entice you outside those lanes.

• 2:16:50Shawn Ryan?

  What are some of the other things that you've seen? I mean, have you seen somebody that can turn their head 360 degrees, the spider walk?

• 2:16:56Speaker 04

  Uh, yeah, I've seen, I haven't seen the 360 degree turn, head turning, but I have seen, you know, like where the fingers just are like completely turned back on their thing, or they'll be, they'll be, they'll be like this instead of, you know, like this. So you'll see things that you actually see like, and that's actually part of the morphing in relationship to the thing. They, like I said, the thing I tend to see the most is the demons manifesting in their characteristics in a full blown manner. So once the demons get to a certain point where the threshold, their pain is such, they can't hide from you.

• 2:17:38Speaker 04

  They're in the manifestation because they're controlling the manifestation and they're controlling what you see. But when they reach a certain level, they start breaking down. And so, you know, just seeing full blown more manifestations where they, um, you know, the, for example, with Bielsa Bob, his, he would always, uh, he, he looks the same in every case I've ever had him in. Where the jaw extends out, the eyes narrow and then, um, or the, the eyes become bloodshot and they narrow and the top of the head narrows. And, um, and the complexion becomes, um, uh, you know, it looks like someone who's had super, super bad acne. So you get that kind of complexion change, color changes. I've seen, seen a lot of color changes that you see in people.

• 2:18:23Speaker 04

  Saw a woman, um, she was possessed by a demon who responded to the title Vitae Raptur, which is robber of life. So the first time we got him to manifest, it was in front of the Blessed Sacrament. It's original. It's done in front of the Blessed Sacrament. When he finally manifested, literally her face just like caved in and she literally turned completely jet black like a corpse. And so I'm like, there he is. So, and so you'll see, uh, things like that. Do any of these demons intimidate you? Any specific ones? No, uh, part of the reason is, is because I know that if I stay in my lane and as long as I'm doing what Christ is asking me to do,

• 2:19:06Speaker 04

  and I stay under his protection, that, uh, I am going to be, I'm going to be safe. Doesn't mean that I'm not going to get beat around a little bit. You're stepping into a boxing ring. So you're going to get beat around a little bit. That I get. But if you stay in your lane, you're going to be able to handle it and God's going to give you the grace to be able to, to use it. When demons attack me again, uh, they always say, you know, with a boxer. You can watch all the films you like about the boxer, but it's not until you're in the ring with him that you actually get a sense of what he's really like in the ring. And it's the same thing with them. It's when you're in the boxing ring, anytime they attack you, the cause is always somewhere in the effect. So they actually reveal something about you.

• 2:19:48Speaker 04

  So one time I was attacked by this one demon of fear that was possessing this one woman. And it actually gave me a sense of the species, of the nature of the fear, the quality of it, the degree of it. It gave me a sense of it. And so when we went into the next session, I was able to bind that and hammer it and then start doing what I call the pinata game. Okay, I've hit the thing. Now you just go around it and you just keep whacking it until you find out from different angles what more information you can get out of that particular thing. And so one demon one time said to me, he said, you know, I'm not talking to you anymore. So I commanded him, he was just cursed, he commanded to tell me why. He says, every time I use, I say something, you use it against me.

• 2:20:30Speaker 04

  I almost said, what do you think this is? So that's the, that's the, that's the thing. So when they attack you, you don't, they don't really intimidate you. I've only been scared twice in a session. One is the first time I did it and it wasn't about the demon. It was like, I hope I don't do something stupid. But then the only other time was in a case that I worked on where the demon would not, he just would not obey what I was telling him to do. So I just mentally said to God the Father, I said, punish him in a way he's never been punished before. And all of a sudden, the woman who's possessed just goes down on her knees, completely manifests into a, literally looks exactly like this demon.

• 2:21:15Speaker 04

  And all of a sudden, he just screams out this horrific scream, painful scream. But it wasn't loud, not much louder than you and I were talking. But it was, it was the type of sound that Hollywood could not recreate. It was the type of sound where it literally reverberated throughout the entire church. We were actually in the basement. And my sacristan, who's all the way on the other side, heard it. It didn't shake the foundations of the church, but it was like just reverberated so strong that when he heard that, he went running out. And when I looked at his, looked at his face when he was, the demon was screaming, the thought that ran through my mind was, that's what hell looks like. You know, this is what someone in hell looks like.

• 2:22:00Speaker 04

  And then the other thing that ran through my mind is the severity and exactitude of God's justice, that God will not be mocked. So people are going to, you know, you have to pay for your sin. And he extracts it from the demons. They pay, they'll tell you that they, that he, he sets them up very often to have to suffer some punishment so that the particular sin that they committed is avenged.

• 2:22:30Shawn Ryan?

  Can you describe what that looks like? When you talk about, when you just talked about the demon manifesting itself and its, its, its true form, what, what did that look like?

• 2:22:40Speaker 04

  So basically, so this, again, this is Beelzebub. So her face completely morphed. This woman could turn into the facial structure of a man. The jaws literally extend out like this. Now the eyes go narrow. Because Beelzebub's the demon of impurity, the eyes go bloodshot, which is an indicator that people who suffer from lust don't see reality for what it is. But the eyes went completely bloodshot, the head narrowed. And then her complexion, as I mentioned, turns into that. But then there's a change in color to where it's a color that no human being can replicate. The authors refer to it as cherry wood color, which is this brown red color that looks like someone who is literally in the middle of a fire burning.

• 2:23:25Speaker 04

  So that's what you, and that's what you see. And then of course, there is the, the, like the burnt, the burnt look around the various facial features. So that there's this darkness or blackness around the particular facial future, uh, features. And then of course, the body gets bulkier in, in size.

• 2:23:45Shawn Ryan?

  When you talk about, you know, the fingers becoming disjointed and what's the recovery period look like?

• 2:23:53Speaker 04

  Strangely enough, uh, there's only certain kinds of affliction that the demons met when they manifest that the person actually has to recover from. Most of the things like that, the person doesn't feel anything. Or they don't have to have any recovery. They come out feeling normal and things turn back to their natural shape and they're just, they don't have anything to recover from.

• 2:24:17Shawn Ryan?

  Wow.

• 2:24:21Shawn Ryan?

  You know, you had mentioned the thing that you see the most is occult knowledge.

• 2:24:27Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:24:29Shawn Ryan?

  And we chatted a little bit about this before the interview, but

• 2:24:37Shawn Ryan?

  we spoke with some of your colleagues and

• 2:24:42Shawn Ryan?

  it sounds like the, I don't know how to say it, the church, the hierarchy, somebody doesn't want you doing this.

• 2:24:49Speaker 04

  That's true.

• 2:24:49Shawn Ryan?

  And so when you're talking about occult knowledge, this colleague of yours that told me this, he said that the demons are calling out sins

• 2:25:04Shawn Ryan?

  of people very high up in the Catholic Church.

• 2:25:08Shawn Ryan?

  And they don't want those sins to get out.

• 2:25:11Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:25:12Shawn Ryan?

  And it sounds like they want you gone. Why is that?

• 2:25:19Shawn Ryan?

  Is that the occult knowledge that you're speaking of?

• 2:25:22Speaker 04

  Uh, it's part of it. So in the ritual, there's what they call chapter one, which is it's a set of rubrics, how to proceed and what's going to happen in the context of a session. And one of them is, is that the demons will reveal crimes that have occurred. And so in the cases that I have been in, they have not revealed much about the people in the civil authorities, their crimes so much as they have about the very specific rituals and crimes that people in the hierarchy have committed. And so they've talked about very specific details, given specific details. And it's not just me, other exorcists are also, they get bits and pieces of this stuff.

• 2:26:08Speaker 04

  They don't necessarily have the same full understanding that I have because the demons have revealed, you know, pretty much the full complexion of what's going on in the church. And it's the fact that the authority structure has been spiritually compromised by some of these people that are in it that are not, you know, they're obviously involved in things that they shouldn't be involved in.

• 2:26:32Speaker 04

  And so is but the other exorcists, even the names of the people involved, the demons have said to us, they've actually meant not just to me, but to other exorcists. They'll actually say, yes, they he mentioned this particular person and this particular person, etc. And so we do have a fairly good complexion. And by the way, I'm not the first guy this has happened to. The father of Morth, who was the head exorcist in Rome for like forty years, he complained about this very problem that had been going on since even since he was just starting being an exorcist. The head exorcist in Rome, one of the head exorcists in Rome, I'm not going to mention him because I don't want people calling him up and saying, who are these people, right?

• 2:27:12Speaker 04

  But but he he has also complained about this exact same set of problems that we have people that are fairly high up. Now, I don't know how much they know me by name specifically. I suspect they know they know who I am and they know this. I also know that some of those, I don't know the specific names, but there have been some people that work in the Vatican who just don't are pleased with some of the work that I'm that I'm doing. And How could you not be pleased with casting demons out of society? Well, if you're involved in in, you know, particular sins that are particularly egregious, you're not going to want someone like me who is out there trying to teach people about the faith

• 2:27:55Speaker 04

  and helping them fight the good fight and become more knowledgeable about their faith. You're not going to want that. And that's that's the problem that we're actually seeing. We're also we also get a sense too of like how these guys get inducted to that type of stuff. It starts to come out, you know, in the sessions, the demons have talked about how these. And it's not stuff that I've ever asked. It's the demons are compelled sometimes by our Lord to talk about this stuff. So this, you know, there's times like this one case that that I'm working on right now. What I'm saying mass is which we start the sessions with. Very often what will happen is during the mass, the demon will manifest. And that tells me that God has told him he's had to tell me something.

• 2:28:37Speaker 04

  And so during the session, something will come out and very often it revolves around this stuff. That's happened, but I've had more than one case talk about the stuff that's going on in the church. That it's spiritual, that it's leadership, not all of it. But some of its leadership is very morally compromised. And some of it is involved in stuff that's very dark.

• 2:29:06Shawn Ryan?

  This kind of goes along with what I was talking about earlier. How do you know you're not going to be deceived? Because if people way up have been deceived, or maybe they haven't been deceived. Maybe they just switch teams.

• 2:29:19Speaker 04

  Right, yeah.

• 2:29:20Shawn Ryan?

  What do you think?

• 2:29:21Speaker 04

  I think it's both. I think sometimes it's both. There is a book that was just recently put out by a woman who ended up getting inducted into being a victim of satanic ritual abuse through deception. I think that these, some of these guys can also get, but there's, like I said, there comes a certain point where it gets revealed what's going on. And so these guys have to either cut bait or they're going to sign off on it, one of the two. And but a lot of these guys went into the priesthood already on the other team. And so they went in specifically to gain the empowerment, which comes through being a priest. And then be able to use that power against those of us in the church. And the world too, for that matter.

• 2:30:05Speaker 04

  Because one of the things that most people don't seem to realize, and this is something that you find out. When you're an exorcist for, you know, one or two years, this becomes absolutely clear. That the problems that we're seeing generally in the world is actually the result of the collapse of the authority structure. Or actually the collapse of the spiritual state of the people of the Catholic, the members of the Catholic Church. Historically, the theologians always said that all grace comes into the world by means of the Catholic Church. It doesn't mean that only Catholics get grace. Obviously Protestants get grace to believe in Christ and things of that sort and to lead good moral lives. That's not the issue. The issue is, is that the Church had always said that the Catholic Church is the mystical body of Christ, and as a result, Christ is through whom all grace

• 2:30:46Speaker 04

  flows. And so, as a result, it flows through the Catholic Church so that when the Catholic Church starts to collapse interiorly with its morality and its spiritual lives and among its members, you're going to see a concomitant, and there's usually a 10 to 20 year lag time where you're going to see a collapse in the civil authorities and the civil things actually going on. In fact, I actually did a conference once where I talked about that you can actually track it. The specific problems we're seeing here is because there was a concomitant. So, for example, we're talking a lot about pedophilia and things like now. That's because the Satanists, the Freemasons, the communists got into the Catholic Church

• 2:31:27Speaker 04

  during the 30s, 40s, and 50s, and they were engaging in this stuff, pedophilia. And so, the pedophilia problems really, or they had moral problems, so that by the time you get to the 50s and 60s, that's when the clergy are engaging in this stuff because they had infiltrated the Church and caused this problem. That meant that because that particular grace of holding strong in that particular area in the moral and spiritual life failed in relationship with the Catholic Church, the normal graces that would flow through the Church for that not to happen in the world was absent. And then you have that period where then it ends up happening, then you start seeing it. So, there's actually a correspondence. The same thing with homosexuality. You see this huge uptick and because the communists

• 2:32:10Speaker 04

  and the Freemasons were allowing the homosexuals into the seminary. In fact, in 1960, there was a document called Institutes of Religious Orum, which was sent out by the Vatican to all the heads of religious congregations. And in that document, it says, "Stop," there's three things. "Stop ordaining the homosexuals." This is 1960. "Stop ordaining the pedophiles and stop ordaining the men who aren't chaste." This is in 1960, which tells you that the 50s was a particular problem with its infiltration. And then, once they got into positions of authority, they allowed men who had these problems to stay in. Well, now that, so then you have this collapse among the morals in the Sixth Commandment, among the clergy in the 50s. That's why you see this concomitant problem in the 60s where you have the free love movement.

• 2:32:56Speaker 04

  You also see with the homosexuality, you see the same problem. There's a concommitting problem now with homosexuality that starts in the seventies and flourishes in the eighties. And then now we've got just a massive problem with it. And it's because of the fact that the graces aren't coming into the world in the manner that they're supposed to be.

• 2:33:12Shawn Ryan?

  How high up in the church does this go?

• 2:33:15Speaker 04

  Uh, not at the very, very top, but close to the very, very top.

• 2:33:19Shawn Ryan?

  And so I have another question. When we were talking about the demon knows that you have authority because a bishop granted you that authority to do exorcism, correct?

• 2:33:32Shawn Ryan?

  So what if the bishop was an occult member? Is that authority the same?

• 2:33:39Speaker 04

  Uh, yes, because it's by virtue of his office as a bishop. However, uh, they're never going to give you that, those faculties.

• 2:33:49Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 2:33:50Speaker 04

  One that's involved in that. And we have a general idea of who's, uh, at least among the upper levels, who's involved in it. But it's not going to, um, but the guys at the lower levels, um, you know, even if he's not a good bishop, the demon is, okay, he's got the authority, so we'll observe it. Um, but the, uh, so that his moral status doesn't compromise the actual authority.

• 2:34:15Shawn Ryan?

  Do you feel a sense of duty to try to fix that or expose it or?

• 2:34:21Shawn Ryan?

  What do you feel? Do you feel any responsibility to act on that?

• 2:34:26Speaker 04

  What I feel the responsibility to is to protect, uh, is to defend my own foxhole.

• 2:34:33Speaker 04

  When you're being overrun, you don't be worrying about what's happening in that guy's foxhole. You just make sure yours doesn't get overrun. And so, and by that, I mean in the sense that I feel my duty is to continue processing the cases. If God wants to continue to reveal this stuff to me for whatever reason, then so be it. It does, we can, we're actually praying for the amelioration of this situation. There's other people who are knowledgeable about it. And so we're praying. There's only, there's only just like four or five people that actually, other than exorcists, who actually know who these guys are, they're involved. So um my I don't feel the obligation to correct that problem. In fact, my own particular attitude is both in civil government and in the church's government that it's beyond human correction.

• 2:35:17Speaker 04

  My job is just to do my part to the degree that I can um and just don't try and buy it off more than I can chew.

• 2:35:24Shawn Ryan?

  Do you have some sort of an alliance? With with other exorcists?

• 2:35:31Speaker 04

  Um, well, there is. There is the International Association of Exorcists, but ironically, even though I've been doing at first, they wouldn't let me be a member because I was an American. At that time, they were only Italians, right? And I I mean, I get it, you know, and then and then once they open it up by this time, I'm just like, well, I'm already a star. I've been doing exorcisms for thirteen, fourteen years. I don't need it now anyway, but I have a lot of uh friends. We have a a network of a sort where we there's a lot of guys we talk to. And we keep track of the exorcists around the country because even though our society takes case load from around the world uh and a a large part of it from the United States, we um uh we still keep in contact with exorcists in other areas because when people approach us,

• 2:36:16Speaker 04

  you know, if they were to ask us for, um, you know, someone say in Nashville, we would say, well, here, talk to this priest, you know, one of the guys you've interviewed, just talk to him. We don't need to come see us. So we know we we were aware of them and we talk with them uh from time to time.

• 2:36:30Shawn Ryan?

  You had mentioned earlier about taking a beating, you know, getting attacked. What what is that? What has happened to you?

• 2:36:36Speaker 04

  Uh, it happens on different levels. So um what they'll do is, you know, that description I gave of diabolic obsession. They'll just attack you out of the blue. And so one of the demons I was dealing with um a couple of years ago was a demon of anger. And so what he would do is he would put the perspective on um just jager perceptions of other people that they weren't doing their job. They weren't supposed to be doing what they were supposed to be doing. Um, you know, that people were failing and what they're and that was his angle of attack on me. So he was trying to get me to see the other because I'm the uh the superior of our community to see that this guy wasn't doing this. This guy wasn't doing that. We need to find

• 2:37:15Speaker 04

  The reality is what he was actually doing it. So I realized, you know, and because I know that that was the angle that he was using on this particular person who was possessed, I realized, okay, I'm just being messed with. Um, and so you'll go through periods where you have to fight the anger, you have to fight the perceptions. Um, the part of it is too, is that you have to then start resorting to extra prayer, even though I pray three to four hours a day. You have to start, okay, I've got to take on this particular kind of prayer to combat this particular set of problems. So they'll attack us interiorly. They'll also attack us by

• 2:37:50Speaker 04

  trying to get us to think that, you know, you're not doing a good job, you know, this is that, uh, you know, obviously if you were a better exorcist, this person would have been liberated, those kinds of things. You just have to clear those thoughts out. So you'll get attacked on that level. Um, you'll also get attacked on your externals. So if they can't get to you, um, I think I might have mentioned this, but they have a general principle, which is if you can't get to the person you want to get to move laterally. That is get to the people around them. This is one of the reasons why we see laypeople who get a bit too involved in this area where they're doing, trying to liberate people who are possessed and that type of thing. They may not come under attack because God may be protecting them, but then you just ask them, what's your family life like? And their families are just decimated.

• 2:38:33Speaker 04

  Um, but what they'll do is they'll move laterally. So they're like in my particular case, they'll cause problems with people accusing me of stuff that I, I don't even know these people. I never even met them. There's no way that this could even be true, right? So they'll do stuff like that, but then the chancerie has to do their due diligence and make sure they do an investigation. In relationship to

• 2:38:56Speaker 04

  excuse me, so they'll attack my externals. Um, they'll, uh, and usually that comes in the form of, um, messing with projects I'm working on, trying to block it. So once they try and block a project, I don't know if you've ever had this, where you're working on something that should take five minutes, three hours later, you're still messing with this thing that should have taken five minutes. So this, this happens to me a fair amount. And so what I would do, what I found out is the, the most effective thing is they're trying to, they're trying to get a hook into me to prove my attachment to wanting to get it done. And so I'm just like, I walk away from it. So once at five, 10 minutes, it's not getting anywhere. Like, okay, I see what's happening. I'll just walk off. Next day I come back, boom, five minutes later it's done.

• 2:39:42Speaker 04

  So they'll mess with stuff like that. Again, I have a good relationship with Chancery and the Diocese, but they're, they're trying to chisel away at that, I think, to some degree, just by,

• 2:39:54Speaker 04

  you know, accusations or things that are just silly.

• 2:39:58Speaker 04

  What weapons do you take with you?

• 2:40:02Speaker 04

  Do you walk into an exorcism? I thought you were asking me what I like to carry? What do you like to carry? I have a Sig nine millimeter.

• 2:40:11Speaker 04

  Yeah, I'm a fan of Sig, you know. My other fan is I'm a fan of Walther too, and I like Walther's. But, but anyways, getting back to the, to the weapons, the primary weapon that we carry with us is that the community I'm in, we're semi-contemplative, so we pray three to four hours a day. And all the prayers are fashioned specifically to deal with all the different kinds of diabolic attacks, which we mentioned in the beginning, those seven. So we pray specific prayers to deal with those specific things. You know, things like meditation for the obsession. In fact, if you're meditating pretty consistently, the demons usually don't try that angle with you. But, but then the other weapons is, we say the rosar every day, which is a phenomenally powerful weapon. Part of it here used to refer to it as the weapon.

• 2:40:57Speaker 04

  The other thing is too, is that we, the actual cassock I'm wearing is blessed by a bishop for that, for my protection. And then, you know, when we're going into session, there's sometimes relics of specific saints. There's a place where Saint Michael appeared five times in Gargano, Italy. It's a cave. It's, it's a, it's an astounding place. I was just there about a year ago. And it, when you walk into it, there's a kind of like a gravitas, but a quiet and a peace to it that you just don't get anywhere else. So we have stones from there, which the demons react to and that type of thing. So we carry stuff like that, relics.

• 2:41:38Speaker 04

  But the other weapons are just the Catholic sacramentals, holy water, exorcised oil, which is particularly effective. You know, we have people burn candles because the candles are blessed so that it literally drives demons of the air out, which are mentioned in Scripture, several times in Scripture. So it drives the demons out of the air and that type of thing. So we, just a number of different things.

• 2:42:02Shawn Ryan?

  When it comes to, I can't stop thinking about the hierarchy in the occult with other church.

• 2:42:12Shawn Ryan?

  Is there anything else you want people to know about that?

• 2:42:16Speaker 04

  Well, I think the main thing to do is, there's two parts to it. The first is, we need to pray and pray for the church's protection and pray so that God will give us holy leaders, you know, a holy magistrate, and we need to pray for it. The second component is, you get the leaders you deserve.

• 2:42:37Speaker 04

  And I say that by virtue of the fact that a vast majority of the Catholics in the church are leading habitual lives of grave sin. They've got to stop it because until we stop that, you can't expect this to get cleaned up. And so really, the primary way that we're going to get, ameliorate that problem, other than God stepping in and correcting the problem, because he'll only tolerate stuff for so long, as I mentioned. But we have to, we have to pray and pray and become holy ourselves so that we merit having leaders that are, that we're worthy of.

• 2:43:10Shawn Ryan?

  You want to pray for that right now?

• 2:43:13Speaker 04

  Uh, yeah, the primary prayer that I would probably pray for that is, is the Hail Mary, because Our Lady, because she's the one that's going to, I can convert them in the end. So, in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, amen. Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee, blessed art thou amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Mother of divine grace, pray for us. In the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, amen.

• 2:43:50Shawn Ryan?

  Well, hopefully, we just got a couple million prayers right there.

• 2:43:53Speaker 04

  Hopefully, yeah, exactly.

• 2:43:56Shawn Ryan?

  You want to take a break?

• 2:43:57Speaker 04

  Yeah, sure.

• 2:43:57Shawn Ryan?

  Let's take a break.

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• 2:45:30Speaker 05

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• 2:46:09Shawn Ryan?

  All right, Father, we're back from the break and I want to get into the demonic hierarchy in spiritual intel and how that all works. And even some of the laws, like I've always heard that spiritual warfare, there's a lot of laws involved and I don't understand that. You were kind of bringing it up earlier that Christ or God allows all of this to happen.

• 2:46:34Speaker 04

  Right.

• 2:46:35Shawn Ryan?

  But it sounds like there's a very specific set of laws.

• 2:46:38Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's a, there's a very distinctive structure that the spiritual warfare has and that structure is based on certain things. I mean, obviously the demons can't do anything that Christ doesn't permit. The second component means that anything that God is going to do in relationship to us as human beings in this life is going to revolve around whether it's going to be good or bad for us spiritually. So he's generally speaking, the demons involvement in us, if we respond properly to God's grace, then Christ will use them as instruments of our sanctification, purification. He'll use them to make us more virtuous and things of that sort. So that's kind of the finality or the end goal. It also means though, that they can't roam or maraud as they please.

• 2:47:22Speaker 04

  It does mention in the, in, you know, Peter's epistle, it says, you know, seeking around, going around seeking someone to devour. What that means is, is that they spend all their time thinking about us and looking at different things and trying to figure that things out, but their ability to actually influence us is completely controlled by Christ. And so demons, as far as the mechanics of it, are actually controlled then by a few things. Christ's will ultimately determines everything. The second thing is their own nature. They can't act outside their own nature. So they're going to be inclined to do specific things that pertain to their own nature. But because they've made their choice, it means that then they're also, the second thing is they're going to be inclined to do things that are opposite of that nature.

• 2:48:06Speaker 04

  So very often, so for example, if you take the demon Isis, who is actually originally created for, according to the exorcisms that he's, you know, that he's been beaten out of, that he was actually... Created to encourage people to place themselves under the mercy of Christ. Well, because he rejected that task, now he's one of the most cruel and vicious demons to deal with in session. So they're, so they're gonna be controlled by their will, their will, what they fixed their will in. Once they made that choice, now they're fixed. And it's not just in evil, it's in, which is generally true, but it's also about specific kinds of evil. So certain demons are gonna get involved in certain kinds of things.

• 2:48:53Speaker 04

  They also, so there's that. Plus then, there's the, the fact that God also meters what they can and cannot do based upon our good. But that has to do with our own levels of toleration and ability to sustain them. He's never gonna test us beyond our abilities. So those particular things is what kind of fixes it and determines it and has some of the mechanics. They also, demons operate under certain principles. So for example, the overarching principle that every demon functions by is anything but God. And that basically means that you can believe anything you want. You can do anything you want, as long as it doesn't lead you to God, or it's not, as long as it's not about God.

• 2:49:35Speaker 04

  Cause they'll, and that's why when they get into positions of power, which you've seen this. And they get into positions of power, such as in the, in the, in the civil authorities. You can talk about anything but God in, in, in civil context, right? You can't, you know, if you're on the floor of the Congress, they're not gonna be talking about God. At least they, maybe they have started more recently, but historically, you just couldn't do it. So that when they gain access, you're not gonna be able to talk about God. So anything but God. And that's why they'll even get people involved in, you know, doing all sorts of good things, as long as it's detracting them from the relationship with Christ or God. And so that's what they'll, their focus on. They also have another principle, anything but moderation. So one of the exorcists that trained me.

• 2:50:19Speaker 04

  He had a particular fondness for Mountain Dew, which I get, you know, I like Mountain Dew. And so he had this particular fondness for Mountain Dew and demons knew it. And so at a certain point, there's in this five stages of liberation, there's what we call the bargaining phase, which is the second part of the fifth phase. And so the demons start bargaining with him. They say, hey, look, look, look, let us stay and I'll make sure you get a truckload of Mountain Dew. Right? And so he, so he panics and then he, so he stops drinking Mountain Dew altogether. Well, that's not where the virtue ultimately lies. The virtue lies in being able to, to drink something at a moderated level. Um, or eat in a moderated fashion, you know? So they'll do anything but moderation.

• 2:51:02Speaker 04

  And the reason for that is because the moderation leads to virtue, because virtue is a mean between extremes. And so he, they'll, they'll very often, um, anything but moderation. So there's a whole series of principles, um, which I mentioned in the, in the book, that they actually operate by, and that's what governs their, we have one of them is that move laterally. Uh, it's the, the general principle is that it's better to remain hidden than to be out in the open. That type of thing, which we'd see in normal warfare. Um, they also, uh, are watching us all the time to get reconnaissance, to figure out what they're going to actually do in relationship to us. So it all has a, a very stark, um, similarity to even physical warfare.

• 2:51:45Shawn Ryan?

  When you, when you, when you think of spiritual warfare, and it's going on all around us, but we can't see it. A lot of people say it's another realm, but it's right, it's right here. Do you believe that?

• 2:51:58Speaker 04

  Yes, it is. It's everywhere.

• 2:52:00Shawn Ryan?

  What does it look like? If we, if we had, if we had a veil that we could lift off and see it, what does it look, what does the world around us look like that we can't see?

• 2:52:11Speaker 04

  Well, I think first of all, it'd be very dark because you would see a lot of the demonic forces that are just, um, yeah, they just seem to be pretty much everywhere and influencing, um, you know, virtually everything. I mean, you still see pockets where people are just trying to lead good lives, trying to be good people. Uh, you know, they're willing to seek the truth and that type of thing. Um, but, uh, that you would, what you would see is the degree of influence they have over different people, who's possessed by them, you know, by what demons and that type of thing. One of the, um, there's it's.

• 2:52:44Speaker 04

  A dream that Saint John Bosco had, because he used to take care of young boys. And during one of the dreams, he saw one of the boys that was acting up during the, during his class and things of that sort, but he sees this boy sleeping and he had, he sees this demon with his finger inside the kid's head and just stirring it, right? So you'd see, you'd see, it would be analogous to seeing stuff like that, but I think we would also see, I think we would see a level of depravity that would be extraordinarily hard for us to process.

• 2:53:19Speaker 04

  And that's one of the things that, you know, I mentioned that the demons have told us about the crimes and that type of thing. A lot of times, the person who's possessed will see the thoughts of the demons. The demons, as I mentioned, it kind of breaks down and so the person actually sees what the demon is actually seeing. And so a lot of times, they will see the depravity or the evil or certain things, or they'll actually even see just, because they can see the thoughts of the demon, they actually get a sense of who he is, if he's thinking about himself. And they'll come out of that and it takes a little bit of counseling for them to process how evil, it's almost traumatic, how much, how evil that is.

• 2:54:00Shawn Ryan?

  What are, when we're talking about possession, what are, what are guardian angels doing when a demon enters?

• 2:54:11Speaker 04

  So, uh.

• 2:54:12Shawn Ryan?

  Do they leave?

• 2:54:14Speaker 04

  No.

• 2:54:14Shawn Ryan?

  We're talking about an occult member. Is there, do they, I mean.

• 2:54:17Speaker 04

  No, they're still there.

• 2:54:18Shawn Ryan?

  They're still there.

• 2:54:19Speaker 04

  They're still there. It's just that, uh, how they protect us, the degree they protect us in the areas of our lives that they protect us is determined also by Christ. So to give you an example, Padre Pio, one time, he used to, from the time he was ten years, from the time he was a kid, he could see his guardian angel. And the way they found out is when he was 10 years old, this one kid went, they couldn't, this kid got lost in their village, they couldn't find him. And so they asked him about it and he, and his guardian angel said, well, he's over here. So he says, well, he's over there. So they go in there, there's the kid, right? So that's how they found out. Well, during one of the times in which he was suffering dolor, where the demons were attacking him, his guardian angel just kind of like disappeared. And then when he comes back, Padre Pio's a little miffed and chews him out, of course, but the, um, but basically.

• 2:55:06Speaker 04

  But what the angel communicates to him is that, look, if God wants something, we're not permitted, because we have to be perfectly obedient to Him. And we see His holy will in allowing these things. And so they basically, their causation or activity on us, they retract. With demons, the way that we know that they're there is there's something unnatural happening. It's either beyond nature, or it's just not normal, or what have you. Whereas when the guardian angels are doing their thing, we function normally. Because their goal is to guard us so that we can actually function according to the way our nature was designed by God. And then they can also incline certain faculties in our bodies and things like that to function properly.

• 2:55:50Speaker 04

  So the way that we know they're active is we have a normal life. Well, these people might have some areas of normal life that the angels are permitted to protect, but other areas, God has said, no, you can't protect them there.

• 2:56:02Shawn Ryan?

  Why would He say that?

• 2:56:04Speaker 04

  Because God respects our free will. And so the person making the choice and going in this, God tells the angels you have to respect their free will.

• 2:56:18Shawn Ryan?

  Is there anything else in the realm we would see? Angels, demons?

• 2:56:22Speaker 04

  Yeah, you'd see the angels too. You'd see them both. You'd see a pretty intense battle, I think. Much more than you'd say would in times past. You'd see a pretty intense battle.

• 2:56:32Shawn Ryan?

  What does the battle look like?

• 2:56:36Speaker 04

  It would just look like demons actually attached to people and attacking people. You'd actually see the nature of the demons and what the specific demon is that's attacking people. You'd get a sense of that, because each one is, again, is its own species, its own nature. So if you could see them, you'd actually see, okay, this guy's getting attacked by impurity. This guy's getting attacked by anger or fear. This guy's getting attacked by that. You'd just actually see how they're actually getting attacked.

• 2:57:06Shawn Ryan?

  I think a lot about spiritual warfare, and the thing that comes to my mind is, I've said this several times on this show, but if you were to have a sphere and it was oil and water, and it never really, one never fully really takes over the other.

• 2:57:23Speaker 04

  Right.

• 2:57:25Shawn Ryan?

  Do you know what I'm talking about?

• 2:57:26Speaker 04

  I do, yeah.

• 2:57:27Shawn Ryan?

  Like a marble.

• 2:57:28Speaker 04

  Right.

• 2:57:30Shawn Ryan?

  And so let's say evil is the is the oil and and light is the water.

• 2:57:35Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:57:36Shawn Ryan?

  When the oil takes over the majority of the surface area of the water, or almost all of it. Is that when we see the second coming? And is it always just changing? Water starts to take over, oil starts to take over, water starts to take over.

• 2:57:53Speaker 04

  Yeah, it ebbs and flows. Yeah. As far as the good and the evil in the world is going to ebb and flow, but before, you know, before the end, it's going to get particularly bad. To the point where it'll be almost, uh, the good will be appear almost completely eclipsed. I think that that's sometimes what people can actually get a sense of now that when they're looking about. And I tell people, if this isn't the end times, God have mercy on the people in the end times, because it's just going to be brutal. But you know, if you could see the spiritual complexion of things, you could actually see it. You'd also see, um, you know, the fortresses of where the strength is and where the the good is coming from in the world. And who's who's on the side of the good.

• 2:58:37Shawn Ryan?

  How much do you think of what we know is a lie?

• 2:58:42Speaker 04

  Uh, you mean today?

• 2:58:44Shawn Ryan?

  Mm hmm. How much history? How much do we think we know is a lie? How much are the elites hiding from us? The people in power?

• 2:58:53Speaker 04

  I mean, this is, I mean, obviously, this is my own personal opinion, but I think we're being lied to almost habitually.

• 2:59:00Shawn Ryan?

  About everything.

• 2:59:01Speaker 04

  Uh, about about a vast majority of things. And it's all because it's a it's a matter of social engineering and manipulation. I think that they're just, it's especially when you got certain three letter agencies that are just chronically doing certain things in order to manipulate the the population into a particular,

• 2:59:23Speaker 04

  you know, into a particular set of beliefs, so they can actually be manipulated. And so, you know, I think one of the advantages of COVID is it's made people to stop and think, you know, believe the science, believe the science. Well, I do believe it, when it's real science. But when we but the fact that we rely to so much, what happens is now people are standing back and questioning everything, which is, in one sense, giving them the state of our world is actually good. On the other hand, they're questioning stuff you're just like, why are you questioning that? I mean, that shouldn't be questioned. So people can be a little bit immoderate, but I think that, I think that, um, given that what the government's doing, um, and given what it's, you know, just even what you see on mainstream news media and, and by corporations. I think we're being manipulated and lied to on a regular basis.

• 3:00:06Shawn Ryan?

  I do too.

• 3:00:07Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:00:07Shawn Ryan?

  About everything. I mean,

• 3:00:13Speaker 04

  I mean, even when the things would go better for them, if they just came clean and were transparent, they can't. It's like they gotta lie to us about it. And I think what it is, it's really a fear of losing control over us.

• 3:00:26Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, there, there are people that think the world is flat.

• 3:00:29Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:00:29Shawn Ryan?

  That's how, that's how deep the lies.

• 3:00:31Speaker 04

  Well, I have a pilot's license and I've been high enough to know it ain't.

• 3:00:34Shawn Ryan?

  You know what I mean though? I mean, how much are they hiding? How much are they hiding?

• 3:00:39Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:00:40Shawn Ryan?

  How much history has been manipulated by institutions?

• 3:00:43Speaker 04

  Right. Yeah. Exactly.

• 3:00:48Speaker 04

  Well, and I think a large, a large amount of it is.

• 3:00:52Speaker 04

  You know, it's so bad, it's so bad that when the, when the, uh, when stuff started happening in the Ukraine, I said, okay, there's probably a war going on. And it's probably Russia that's invaded. And it's probably Ukraine's on the receiving end of it. But that's about all we know because they lie to you so much. You know, what, they, for example, uh, you know, four years ago, when that thing started, they said that, you know, Russia was almost defeated and their military was crushed. Okay, we're four years into it and they're still hammering them, which tells us, they weren't telling us the truth in the beginning.

• 3:01:23Shawn Ryan?

  I bet that, I think the entire Iraq war was a lie.

• 3:01:27Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:01:28Shawn Ryan?

  The whole fucking thing.

• 3:01:29Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:01:29Shawn Ryan?

  I think it was a big money grab for KBR.

• 3:01:32Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:01:32Shawn Ryan?

  And, I mean, we just, we just looked it up. They made thirty nine point whatever billion dollars.

• 3:01:39Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:01:39Shawn Ryan?

  Off that one war.

• 3:01:40Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:01:41Shawn Ryan?

  Well, most wars are that way anyway.

• 3:01:43Speaker 04

  I mean, they're really just orchestrated for those who, because somebody stands to gain either financially or by power.

• 3:01:48Shawn Ryan?

  But I mean, to build, to take the time to build a narrative to tell the people so that you can go in there and enrich yourself. I mean, it just, it makes you wonder how, how much of every, look at the Epstein stuff. I mean, it's just everywhere you look now, the COVID stuff, it, all the fraud.

• 3:02:06Speaker 04

  Yes, exactly. Well, that's why, you know, even like with stuff of Epstein, I tell people, we're just seeing the tip of the iceberg. You know, even when we hear about bad things that are going on in the church, like that's just the tip of the iceberg. You know, there's the, the rot underneath it is so bad. I, I sometimes wonder if the, you know, if people actually knew what was really going on in our government, they'd probably be hanging these people from lampposts.

• 3:02:30Speaker 04

  So, and that's just a, a general sense of, you know, when you see evil, you see it.

• 3:02:39Shawn Ryan?

  Let's get back to the hierarchy.

• 3:02:40Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 3:02:41Shawn Ryan?

  Can we go through some of the, some of the demons by name?

• 3:02:44Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:02:46Shawn Ryan?

  Where do we start?

• 3:02:49Speaker 04

  Well, at the very top, which I think, uh, and Dan had mentioned to you, but basically,

• 3:02:55Speaker 04

  in, uh, one of my cases, it came out that, uh, it basically started like this. So I was, I was, had a session, it was Beelzebub was the possessor. And he said, um, at just at one point, just out of the blue, he says, I'm the mockery of the Holy Ghost. And then he just checks out and I can't get him back to the surface.

• 3:03:16Speaker 04

  And then I'm like, what does that even mean? And then, um, but I knew that the fathers of the church had said that there's, based upon the interpretation of that passage from scripture where Christ, they accused Christ of casting out demons by the power of Beelzebub. He turns it and he says, well, how can Satan cast out Satan? Well, the fathers of the church say that's because Satan, Lucifer, Beelzebub are the same guy. I'm thinking to myself, well, if they're the same guy, why does an exorcist, even myself, or the other exorcists who've, deal, dealt with all three, the, the way they manifest is different. Each one of those is different. So I started asking Our Lady, you know, revealed to me, what is it that, that, that's going on here? And then it dawned on me. That I don't know if it was a grace or just whatever it was like because I deal with people who are highly traumatized. We deal with people who have what used to be called multiple

• 3:04:01Speaker 04

  personality disorder, but is dissociative identity disorder. We deal with a lot of those people. And I'm like, this is looks like that this is a proficated personality. So when I went in the next session, when I when he was there, I referred to him as the third personality of Satan, and he just stopped and looked at me. And it was like five things at once on his face. It was like, how did you ever figure that out? And then the other one was, okay, the gloves are coming off. And then the other one was like, oh, this is really bad. So there's various things that were going on in his face at the same time. And it's one of those things. Again, you see it, you're like, yeah, Hollywood can never reproduce that. But so then, then I commanded a challenge. So Lucifer is the

• 3:04:44Speaker 04

  inversion of Christ, isn't he? Light from because Lucifer is light bear and Christ is light from light. Yes. And then Satan is the father of life, who's the inversion of God, the father. He said, yes. So then I asked him, was this trifurcation of your personality, the punishment for wanting to be God? And then he said, it took me a little bit of beating. He said, Yeah, it is. And then he said something interesting. He said that he's in chronic pain from it. So people who have dissociative identity disorder are in chronic emotional pain. And so these he had, he has that. He's in chronic pain from this, his personality being split. Later, we found out that it had to do because in his fall, there were specific sins that he wanted to commit. And that's they pertain to those particular three. So, as I mentioned, I've had all three. I've had Lucifer in

• 3:05:28Speaker 04

  about five cases, Beelzebub. I've had in three, but I've got one case is protracted. And that's why I tend to have so much knowledge about him. And then I've had Satan. Underneath him. So underneath, which is kind of interesting, because if you ask people, if you had to choose which person of the Blessed Trinity, you have the most affinity for, people will usually tell you, for me, it's God, the Father. Most people say, well, it's Jesus. Some people say it's the Holy Spirit, right? So you have people, well, that same kind of a thing is and it's the inversion of what you see in The diabolic realm. So underneath this trifurcated personality are all the other demons fall underneath one of those personalities.

• 3:06:11Speaker 04

  So underneath that, though, underneath Satan or the top dog is then what they call the five generals. And the five generals are, the first one is Baal, who's a demon of impurities. The first thing he does, he drives impurity in a culture. And once the culture gets into that, then thing from Saint Paul, what Saint Paul mentions, God, you know, they gave them, you know, they basically gave themselves to unbridal lust, so God gave them over to that, and then now the men are sleeping with men. So then, after that, you have homosexuality, which arises.

• 3:06:44Speaker 04

  And then, so the first one is Asmodeus, which is the demon of.

• 3:06:47Shawn Ryan?

  Have you seen, have you seen the Iranians burning statues of Baal?

• 3:06:53Speaker 04

  Not burning them, no, I haven't seen it.

• 3:06:54Shawn Ryan?

  They're burning statues of Baal, saying that Israel in the West is under a demonic influence.

• 3:07:03Speaker 04

  Well, if you consider the fact that, at least in the United States, we actually shut down the fornication laws, and we allow people pornography and everything else, then in a certain sense, I think that's true, I think we are under his. The Supreme Court basically delivered our country over to the five generals by all the legislate, or by the adjudication that they did. So Baal being one of them, which is the, shooting down again the fornication laws. And I think that's generally true. I think that in the West, there's a serious problem with impurity, just generally.

• 3:07:34Speaker 04

  The, then the demon of homosexuality in men is Asmodeus. So if you got a guy who's possessed, and he's had any homosexual past, if he's possessed, it's a sure bet Asmodeus is one of the possessors. With women, there's two. There is Lilith, which is the demon of homosexuality of the passive kind, more feminine. You look at these women, you're like, why are you gay? You seem pretty normal as a woman, right? But then there's the one that's the Leviathan, which is the demon of homosexuality in women of the, of the more masculine or more aggressive kind. These are the women, I call them, they're heavy on the heels, right? So this is those women, that's homosexuality in women with them. And then the last one is.

• 3:08:19Speaker 04

  Whether it's Moloch or Balfamet, in my experience, it tends to be Balfamet, but that doesn't mean that it because I've had him, but it doesn't mean necessarily that it's not Moloch too, which is the demon of child sacrifice. So if you look at the progression in a culture, and this is actually true of almost every culture that has gone, that their morals have collapsed, it starts with problems with impurity, that is, a ball gets in. Then you get a rise of homosexuality, and then you end up with child sacrifice, which is what abortion basically is. So you have that that progression. So that's underneath them. And then underneath them are then various other demons where they're actually at in the hierarchy. We don't necessarily know other than, as I mentioned, most of them are under the

• 3:09:04Speaker 04

  are under those, those, one of those five too. So the five are under the three, you get the five, and then you have the other ones. So for example, the noonday devil, which is mentioned in Psalm 90, he's actually under Asmodeos, which is fascinating because the demon that when he first appeared, the guy said, as I mentioned, he said, I said to him, you know, do you have any homosexual ideation? Once he came out that this demon, the midday devil was crying out to Asmodeos for help. I said, do you have any homosexual ideation? He says, yeah, I don't know where it's coming from because this guy didn't have any of the history that would indicate that he would have the psychological problems that are endemic in relationship to homosexuality.

• 3:09:46Speaker 04

  Because he was married to a man, had, you know, beautiful family and kids, the whole bit. I said, well, now you know it. So we did a severing prayer. From that point on, he never had homosexual ideation. But I found it interesting that the demon of sloth is under the demon of homosexuality. Because every homosexual I've ever met, they're soft. You know, so you start to see, you start to see even in people's personality, the complexions of the demons that actually attacked them.

• 3:10:15Speaker 04

  So those are just some of them. As I mentioned, Abaddon is a demon of destruction.

• 3:10:19Shawn Ryan?

  What about Baphomet?

• 3:10:21Speaker 04

  Yeah, he's a demon of child sacrifice. And so he's, uh, that's why you see him. That's actually why you see the, uh, the Satanist trying to erect statues of him in various locations. And the statue is, of course, the horned head and all that. Um, and, uh, but then it's also surrounded by children. And so that's part of it. And usually the reason they're trying to get Baphomet ensconced in a location is because they're trying to get pro-abortion legislation passed or maintained.

• 3:10:58Shawn Ryan?

  What is it with child sacrifice that?

• 3:11:02Speaker 04

  Uh, well, there's two, there's, there's several parts to it, actually. The first is, is it's the killing of an innocent. And the demons get empowered by that. But the other part, which is actually something which historically was known in the Catholic Church, which, which wasn't really talked about too much was elsewhere, which is actually one of the reasons why in the Catholic Church, to get, if you procure abortion or help someone procure abortion, it's actually an excommunicable offense. And the reason, people say, oh, it's because you're killing someone innocent, but that's not true. Uh, I mean, there's a, that's an element of it. But the real reason is, is because of the fact that, as I mentioned, the overarching principle for demons is anything but God. And so historically, Alexander VII, the Pope, stated that we know of no other means

• 3:11:45Speaker 04

  of their salvation. He's talking about children before they have use of reason. We know of no other means of their salvation other than baptism in re. In re is a technical theological term in Latin that indicates they have to be baptized by water. Otherwise their salvation cannot be assured. And so historically, the Church always considered abortion to be such a heinous crime because it permanently robbed a person of the possibility of the beatific vision. This is why the Church considered it so evil that you're, that basically the demons are creating a situation, um, and the reason they're so wed to it is because it keeps, they, they just want to keep even the children from ever seeing God. That's why, that's why they're so wed to it.

• 3:12:27Speaker 04

  That's why they, they will expend enormous amounts of energy protecting it. That's why it's so difficult to get rooted out in the, uh, in, in the secular sphere. Once it gets in, it's just almost impossible to get out. Cause the demons will do everything they can to protect it. How about the angels hierarchy? Uh, so the hierarchies are, um, uh, well technically speaking, they're, uh, they're the same because they, the fallen angels come from the, the, uh, the, you know, the, the hierarchy that God created, that whole hierarchy, which has the nine choirs. Um, and so that they're from the fallen angels are from that.

• 3:13:07Speaker 04

  But the other ones, so the seraphim, which are at the top, um, and then you have the cherubim and the thrones, et cetera. But then, um, and it goes to principalities and powers and all that, all the way down to archangels and angels. But they, that hierarchy is still there and it's still, still intact. So the top rank, which is the top three, their primary function deals with, their primary tasks deal specifically with God. So the seraphim's job, God gave them, um, in their nature, a strong inclination to love him. So their primary predominance is on the side of the will is to love. On the side of the cherubim, their primary predominance is on the side of knowledge. So they have knowledge about God that he communicates to them and their natures are

• 3:13:51Speaker 04

  such that they are able to grasp it because they're more intelligent in that regard. And then the thrones job is to take the information that's communicated to them by God or through the, from the seraphim to the cherubim and, and, uh, begin the propagation of God's commands down through the hierarchy. So the middle, uh, rank is basically administrative where they basically oversee and govern the process of the spiritual warfare on our side, but then also just the governance of the universe and how God wants things done. And they're enlightening our minds, et cetera. And then the lower guys, their job is to actually do the grunt work with us and they get involved with us. So, uh, it's generally, uh, there's a bit of a debate about whether Satan was from the seraphim or from the cherubim.

• 3:14:37Speaker 04

  But as time went on, I used to think he was from the seraphim because the, the way the other demons would even talk is that he was at the top of the heap. But when you watch his psychological patterns and you learn about what his assigned task was, it all revolves around knowledge. And so I tend to agree with Saint Thomas Aquinas that he was the highest of the cherubim. So he would have been eighth in the hierarchy. Okay.

• 3:15:04Speaker 04

  How about Michael? So Michael, uh, the general, um, uh, belief among the theologians and who have studied this and that type of thing is that he's actually, uh, one of the archangels. So he's from the second of the lowest ranks. So he's, which is actually, uh, one of the reasons why it's so humiliating for Satan to get, uh, you know, kicked out of heaven by, by him is because it was humiliating. But as, uh, Thomas Aquinas says, anybody in heaven has what they call prelation over anything below them. And so those in hell, anybody in heaven can cast out any demon in hell, God permitting. Um, but, uh, Saint Michael is, uh, most people are unaware of that. Saint Michael is actually the guardian angel of the elect.

• 3:15:50Speaker 04

  So those who, who are, God has pre-chosen that they're going to go to heaven. And so they're actually- God has pre-chosen for certain people to go to heaven? Yeah, because God, if you remember, it's actually part of divine revelation. Christ said, "Many are, many are, many are called, but few are chosen." And it's God who chooses. It doesn't mean that we don't cooperate in that process. We have to cooperate in the lead up to it, but ultimately it's God who gives us the final grace to make the, to, to make that, to bridge the gap between ourselves and Him, right? But that, and so in the Catholic Church, we actually hold, we call it a non-mutual, um, predestination. We believe that God chooses who gets to go to heaven.

• 3:16:32Speaker 04

  But, uh, and there's indications of what that, but we, but if you end up in hell, that's your own fault. Cause you could have, if you would have cooperated with God, you could have made it to heaven type of thing. Okay. So he's the guardian angel of the elect. So that meant that when, um, that's why it was his job to kick out the demons from the company of the angels that remained faithful, who were the elect. And so he's the one that kicked him out of heaven. Because he's the guardian angel of the elect, that also means that he is, he became the guardian angel of the Jews, the Jewish religion in the beginning, because they were the chosen people. But once, according to the father of the church, they apostatized

• 3:17:14Speaker 04

  and rejected Christ, they ceased being the chosen religion and the chosen people. And now it's transferred to Christians who believe in Christ. They are now those who are the, uh, he's the guardian angel of the elect of those of us who believe in Christ. And so that's actually also why historically, the saints have talked about how when a person who is destined to go to heaven dies, it's Saint Michael who, uh, who, uh, accompanies them into God's presence.

• 3:17:46Shawn Ryan?

  So we're the chosen people now. Anybody who believes in Christ is chosen.

• 3:17:51Speaker 04

  That's right.

• 3:17:53Speaker 04

  Which is the, which is actually the, um, the big mistake that people make is still thinking that they're the, the Jews are the chosen people. They were, but they, uh, they rejected their inheritance. They refused to accept Christ. Because even the Jewish religion was ultimately a lead up to and a partial revelation in relationship to Christ. So once he came, this is why Christ was so harsh on them. Uh, the first time I read this, I was stunned. Saint Thomas Aquinas actually makes the observation. He said that the prophets and the, um, the patriarchs of the Jews actually knew that God was triune and they knew he was going to become incarnate. They knew this because we see this in the book of Isaiah. It's, it's revealed in the book of Isaiah and it's revealed in,

• 3:18:35Speaker 04

  in various, um, parts of scripture that they, then, so the Jews actually knew this. This is why Christ was so harsh on the Jews that when he came, he said, he guys shouldn't, you guys knew this. You know, you're calling me the, you know, that I make myself evil to the son of God. You knew that God was going to become incarnate is basically what's being taught there. So the point being is that the fact that they apostatized and rejected ultimately God in the end, which is why they cease being the chosen people, which is why God gives them that, as I mentioned before, he gives them a, maybe I didn't mention it to you, but he gave them one generation. So after Christ dies, in the year 70 AD, the Romans destroy Jerusalem, and that's why now the Jews aren't, none of the Jews are practicing their religion because none of them are offering sacrifice. That doesn't mean that they're not living

• 3:19:20Speaker 04

  up according to certain parts of the Old Testament and things of that sort, but they're not actually performing the ceremonial laws. Interesting.

• 3:19:32Speaker 04

  And that's why they're so driven to rebuild the temple.

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• 3:21:40Shawn Ryan?

  I've heard people say that they're, they think that Michael is Christ himself. Is there any validity to that?

• 3:21:51Speaker 04

  No.

• 3:21:51Shawn Ryan?

  No, nothing.

• 3:21:53Speaker 04

  So Christ, which we know from divine revelation, is God who assumed a human nature. Say, Michael is an angel, which is a different angel, a different nature altogether.

• 3:22:07Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 3:22:12Shawn Ryan?

  Is there anything, anything else in the hierarchy we should know?

• 3:22:18Speaker 04

  Other than in my book, I talk about him, you know, go into detail about what each individual rank is actually for, but the main thing is, is that people need to really start relying on them more because they're here to protect us.

• 3:22:31Shawn Ryan?

  Let's talk about witchcraft for a little bit. What is it?

• 3:22:35Speaker 04

  So basically what witchcraft is, is it's the inversion of, um, it's inversion of the proper worship that's due to God. And so what they do is they engage in rituals. So it has the same kinds of things like as Catholics, we have, we have things such as sacramentals that we use, which are blessed items. They have cursed items that they use. They have rituals. We have same kind of ritual. They invert our rituals very often. And then also they have, um, uh, like quasi sacraments and things of that sort. So they, they, they basically, it's the inversion, but it's a set of, uh, it's basically a set of rituals and belief systems, which we use demons as a medium to bring about the effect

• 3:23:20Speaker 04

  of their rituals. So different from us, we pray to Christ and then Christ causes these things to happen. They basically do these rituals to empower the demons so that they can do him.

• 3:23:33Shawn Ryan?

  You've mentioned the nine choirs earlier. What is that?

• 3:23:37Speaker 04

  So the nine choirs are the breakdown, uh, so the choirs are, each angel was created with a specific task and those tasks are grouped into, uh, they're into groups. So the top group, as I mentioned, the seraphim, that's the, the top choir there is about, so it's, it's based in groups based upon what their assigned task is.

• 3:23:58Shawn Ryan?

  Okay. And, and black mass, you had brought that up a couple of times. What is black mass?

• 3:24:05Speaker 04

  So a black mass is the inversion of the Catholic mass. So basically what they'll do is, uh, depending on the, uh, depending on the type of black mass, sometimes they'll actually just literally do a mass, but in reverse. So they'll actually use Latin and they'll talk, but it's spoken backwards. Um, if they have a, and if they happen to have a consecrated host, they'll actually use that during the blast ma- a black mass in order to desecrate it. Um, and, uh, in the context of that, in order to empower themselves. But then they can also, um, uh, the black mass can also be just a Catholic mass with satanic elements as part of it.

• 3:24:47Speaker 04

  Um, for example, one, um, black mass, which is, uh, mentioned in a book called Windswept House by Malachi Martin, it's in the first two, two, two to three chapters, where, um, a particular priest, I won't go into names, but a particular priest performs a black mass. But in the context of that, he desecrates a host by raping a, a young girl during the mass. So you have, um, so they'll do, they'll, the, the goal is to desecrate the body and blood of Christ. That's the real goal. Cause then in that desecration, then it empowers the demons and it empowers the, the people.

• 3:25:21Shawn Ryan?

  Where would this, I mean, do people attend this or is this, is this a one man show?

• 3:25:26Speaker 04

  Uh, well, there's usually a satanic priest who performs the la- the mass. So in that sense, it's a one man show, but there's always other people involved because you'll have people whose, whose function is to, to, you know, maintain control over the victims who's going to be used for this. Um, or other people who, like their servers, like they're at a, at a Catholic mass, you have different people doing different kinds of services, serve, uh, serving in relationship to the actual, uh, ritual. Uh, and then very often there's other people standing around who are chanting and doing other things.

• 3:26:05Shawn Ryan?

  Is this what's going on at the Bohemian Grove?

• 3:26:09Speaker 04

  Well, my understanding that the Bohemian Grove is what, I mean, I studied it to the degree that a person can study it and have verifiable evidence of what's actually happening here. But it seems to me that it's just, it's at its root and core, just basic Moloch worship. Because they have the statue, the large statue of Moloch there.

• 3:26:30Shawn Ryan?

  Okay, I want to move into elite darkness and satanic ritual abuse.

• 3:26:35Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 3:26:39Shawn Ryan?

  What have you encountered?

• 3:26:43Speaker 04

  When I first started doing this work, the number of people that were, we'd see satanic ritual abuse was fairly few. There was, there's, you didn't see a whole lot of it. And the caseload was from the 1980s. So that's when you saw the satanic ritual abuse occurring was in the 1980s. And it did not tend to be, at least from what we could gather, in relationship to the elite. But then, over the course of the 18 years I've been doing this work, we start, we, we kind of went through a time period where there wasn't just a whole lot of stuff. And then it started to really crop up again, where we started to see a significant rise in satanic ritual abuse, but it was across the board.

• 3:27:26Speaker 04

  It wasn't necessarily just the elite, it was also, you know, people in high positions. Because it would come out, you know, who was the satanic ritual abuser? And sometimes they were fairly high. But, but now what we're seeing is, is it's pretty much across the board, where we're seeing it in all levels of society, of the people getting involved in it.

• 3:27:47Shawn Ryan?

  All levels of society?

• 3:27:49Speaker 04

  Yeah. So you'll see people who are, you know, involved in satanic ritual abuse, there's actually a...

• 3:27:57Speaker 04

  A book called Twenty Two Faces, it's about a woman who has dissociative cognitive disorder, but she was basically a victim of satanic ritual abuse. And that's a paradigm case, because you can look at it and just realize, yeah, this is how it normally works. But it basically was, to the credit of the Mormons, in fact, they found out that there was a lot of satanic ritual abuse occurring within their ranks and they cleaned it up. Last I heard, I don't know exactly the details. But she basically, but it was the people that were doing it were people of low level, of the common person you actually see on the, on the streets. But then you'll also see it from middle tier people who are trying to advance themselves. And then the, as I mentioned, satanic ritual abuse is some of the stuff that they've talked about

• 3:28:42Speaker 04

  in relationship to some of the things that have been happening in the church at the higher levels. But we've also seen, we've, I haven't dealt with these two cases too much, because demons that are higher level in relationship to the civil authorities, other exorcists maybe closer to the, to the area have come across that type of thing more, because they, the satanic ritual abuse stuff tends to be somewhat localized, to deal with local cases a lot of times. Part of that has to do with the fact that in my particular experience, and this is not the experience of every exorcist, is that the demons tend to talk more about the, the power structure within the church and who's involved in that, because they see that is where the real power is,

• 3:29:25Speaker 04

  not so much in the context of the civil authorities. Yeah, they have power, but the, the real spiritual power is in the context of the church.

• 3:29:36Shawn Ryan?

  Where do these rituals, what, what are some of the rituals? I know this could get very gruesome, but what are some of the rituals? How ancient are they?

• 3:29:45Speaker 04

  Uh, well, they, they stem almost all the way back. In fact, some of the ritual abuses stem all the way back to the golden calf and, and some of the stuff even before that. So, but the, the satanic ritual abuse, there's the black mass where they, they rape a woman that's, or a girl, usually it's a virgin, they want a virgin that they rape. So usually it's a girl around 10 years of age or younger. It can also be where, this is in Twenty Two Faces, where you actually have. Where the Satanic ritual abuse is where they take one girl from the front, they kidnapped this one girl and they basically tie her down so she, so that she can't do anything.

• 3:30:27Speaker 04

  And then they took the other girl, which is in the twenty faces, and then they tie her down and then they make this girl watch them systematically torture and kill the other child.

• 3:30:38Shawn Ryan?

  Holy shit. How many of our elites do you think are involved in this?

• 3:30:42Speaker 04

  It's hard to know, but you know, if you, if you get a chance, you see this even when they have like the opening ceremonies to the Olympics, but when they did that, opening ceremonies to that, to the, to that tunnel in Switzerland, it was amazing. They had a high profile people there, like, I think, I think, I'm not, don't quote me on this, but it was like the Japanese prime minister, they had several people that were involved in like the, like the German government and Swiss government and stuff like that.

• 3:31:19Shawn Ryan?

  Are you talking about CERN?

• 3:31:20Speaker 04

  No, no, no, no.

• 3:31:22Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 3:31:23Speaker 04

  This was an actual tunnel that they, when they opened the tunnel, they did this ritual to Balfamet. When those people were sitting there, these people that were at the top tier in their government, in their various governments, they were watching this like they had seen it a hundred times before. There was no reaction. It was almost like, okay, when are we going to get this done? And so I think that when you're talking about the higher levels, I don't think you're able to get that high without being groomed to get to that, that height at this stage, or that you're part of the, the cabal, so to speak, that, you know, gets those types of people to the top.

• 3:31:57Shawn Ryan?

  So it would be hard for you to believe that anybody at that level is not into this?

• 3:32:04Speaker 04

  Uh, well, I mean, and I don't mean to be uh imputing bad will to people, but I'm I'm very suspect of these people. Part of it is is because of the fact that everything they do is Marxist or communist and their behavior and their destruction, what they're trying to do so like. And uh and so which I've actually done a series of short videos where I show that diabolic psychology and communism are identical. The psychology is absolutely the same. And so these people, you can pretty much tell that they're they're driven. There's also this, these are the same types of people that just make sure that abortion always is maintained. They push abortion everywhere. So I think a large percentage of them at the top, I'm not saying every one of them are. But I think, I mean, this is my own opinion. I could be wrong. Maybe I'm venturing out a bit too much.

• 3:32:48Speaker 04

  But it seems to me that the large percentage of them actually are. You know, when Putin said, and I'm not, I'm not a fan of Putin, but when Putin said, you know, that the uh the world elites or the heads of world governments are basically in the West are just a bunch of satanic pedophiles. I'm like, well, yeah, that's true. So.

• 3:33:07Shawn Ryan?

  A lot of people are saying that now.

• 3:33:08Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:33:09Shawn Ryan?

  A lot of people are saying that now. That didn't end, it's.

• 3:33:15Shawn Ryan?

  It it just seems like the veil's coming off and it scares the shit out of me.

• 3:33:20Speaker 04

  Yeah, the the bad part about it is, is if the veil drops too much and people start rising up to take the power away. That's when it's gonna get ugly. Cause these people have their levers on the, their hands on the pad levels, levers of power. And they're gonna use it to take us out if they if they think that their power is gonna be jeopardized at this point. Cause with demons, they're stripped of everything except power. That's the only thing that means anything to them. And so as these people become more like their masters, it's just gonna be about power.

• 3:33:53Shawn Ryan?

  And you literally see it. You see these people get addicted to their own bullshit, their power.

• 3:33:57Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, absolutely.

• 3:33:58Shawn Ryan?

  Especially in politics.

• 3:34:00Speaker 04

  Yes, exactly. Yeah, I this, I had one during one session. One of the demons started attacking the woman internally and I didn't know quite was what was going on because I was just doing the doing the ritual. But afterwards, she said, when she came out, she said, the demon, first of all, gave her the illusion of having all this power. Right. But she said, and then he, he moved me internally to feel the rush that he gives to people when they have that power. And she said, it was so intoxicating. She said, if I hadn't had the grace to reject it, I would have gotten sucked into it.

• 3:34:42Speaker 04

  So he, he rewards them, giving them that, that rush that they get in having that power.

• 3:34:47Shawn Ryan?

  Man, I just, I just, I just, I cannot get through my head how, how many people are into this? And how they can, they can, they can sacrifice a child, a baby, an infant.

• 3:35:05Shawn Ryan?

  There has to be some, I mean, I keep, I guess not, but I mean, it's just zero sense of right and wrong in their head. It's like they feel, I mean, they feel no guilt. It's, I mean, if, if some of this stuff that's going on right now is true, I mean, these people feel zero shame.

• 3:35:24Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's actually true.

• 3:35:25Shawn Ryan?

  They're still out in the public. They're laughing, they're fucking smiling.

• 3:35:30Speaker 04

  Yeah, and if you, the segue to almost all satanic activity is violations of the sixth commandment. These people had impure lives when they were younger and that was the gateway to them becoming more. And then at a certain point, Satan just leads, you actually see this among homosexuals who are highly active. It's eventually the sex starts to become ritualistic. And I, that's, but these people were, that very often, that's the way they got introduced to satanic stuff. And then over the course of time, they liked it. And then at a certain point, their intellectual vision just becomes clouded and they actually like it and they think it's good.

• 3:36:08Speaker 04

  That's why whenever you hear, you know, the politicians, they'll say, well, this particular politician or that is trying to destroy democracy. That's just a code phrase for saying they're trying to take away our power, which they want. And then people have to remember, along the way, demons can actually block people from thinking about certain things and remembering certain things. But they can also reward people by giving them these intense emotional experiences in relationship to things. And so they really get to liking and think it's actually a good thing, and they want to get it again.

• 3:36:40Shawn Ryan?

  What does God want us to do? What does Christ want us to do about this? Are we supposed to just sit here and idle? Or are we supposed to challenge it? Are we supposed to expose it? Are we supposed to fight it? Are we just supposed to live good lives and try to lead by example? I mean, I just, what are we supposed to do?

• 3:37:01Speaker 04

  Well, I think that, well, I'm fighting it. And the particular work that I actually do, I'm kind of at ground zero in a certain sense. But, because what's interesting is, is as you fight and break possessions in relationship to people, the demons admit that it starts to slowly deteriorate their power in relationship to the rest of the world. But what we have to do is, the primary thing that you have to do is, you have to lead good and holy lives. Because in being holy, then you will be a conduit of grace for other people. And then, the primary thing for the people have to realize is that their job is to fight the spiritual warfare in their own life and in the life of their family.

• 3:37:45Speaker 04

  So, the proper authority has two things, is to provide and to protect. Your job as a father and as a husband is to provide, not just materially for your family, but to provide spiritually by becoming holy and praying for them on a regular basis, doing prayer, sufferings, good works, fasting, etc., so that they receive the grace necessary to do the right thing. But then it's also to protect. I mean, obviously, if someone tried to break into your house, you're gonna get a gun and you're gonna take this guy out, right? The same thing has to happen on a spiritual level. You have to be willing to... Be knowledgeable about spiritual warfare and be willing to fight it in a relationship to keeping those things out of your house. And you, as a father, as the authority figure, have to make sure you never allow your own

• 3:38:28Speaker 04

  sin to introduce the demons into your own house. And so, but that's the one thing, but you have to be willing to fight, and that means you have to be willing to say binding prayers, say prayers of protection for your children and your wife on a regular basis. So people have to, the real goal is to protect your family and to get that, and then at a certain point, and this is what happens with exorcists, I had no intention of being an exorcist, I still don't want to be an exorcist. The only reason I do it is because of the fact that I was basically asked to do it. And so, it's the same kind of a thing. If you get to that point where you're doing what you're supposed to be doing in the context of your family, God will start to bring you people that you can start giving them the instruction and start helping them to come up to speed. It's like training, it's like combat training.

• 3:39:12Speaker 04

  You have to make sure you're a good combat soldier first, and then you can help the other guys come up to speed. And it's the same thing in spiritual warfare.

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• 3:40:23Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, I'm gonna be honest, I feel like I'm in the fight. At least I feel like I'm exposing stuff. I don't know, I don't know how much good it's actually doing, but

• 3:40:34Shawn Ryan?

  the shit doesn't come without a toll.

• 3:40:36Speaker 04

  That's correct.

• 3:40:37Shawn Ryan?

  I feel like I take on all that negative energy. Every time, every time I do an episode, like, like some of the stuff we're talking about right now.

• 3:40:45Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:40:46Shawn Ryan?

  You know? I'm gonna go home, I'm gonna talk about it. We just did an episode on this Camp Canuck, the biggest Christian kids camp in the world.

• 3:40:57Speaker 04

  Yeah, I just saw that. I haven't had a chance to watch it, but yeah.

• 3:41:00Shawn Ryan?

  You know, and I mean, they're talking about reading scripture over our kids while they sexually abuse them and all the, all kinds of really bad.

• 3:41:08Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:41:09Shawn Ryan?

  Bad shit. And I take that on and I, but I don't, I mean, the evil just moves from, I talked about this before too, but I mean, the evil just moves from one institution to the next. You know, it's, and so, yeah, that's great. We can all hate Camp Canuck and it's horrible and all this shit, but and it was horrible what they did. It's an institution that's trying to protect itself from, from

• 3:41:35Speaker 04

  Right.

• 3:41:36Shawn Ryan?

  the fucking sins that it's committed.

• 3:41:41Shawn Ryan?

  But that evil's, you know, great, cool. We did an episode. It's got a lot of exposure, a lot of people never gonna send their kids to that camp, but that, that, that evil is not, it doesn't end there.

• 3:41:52Speaker 04

  No.

• 3:41:52Shawn Ryan?

  It just moves.

• 3:41:53Speaker 04

  No.

• 3:41:54Shawn Ryan?

  To the next vertical.

• 3:41:55Speaker 04

  That's correct. But the, in order, it's, it's just like anything else in warfare. The first thing you need to know is knowledge of your enemy and reconnaissance. You need to know what they're doing, what they're at, before you ever go barging in there. Well, that's exactly what this exposure does. This exposure gives other people the knowledge to know the truth and knowing this is what's actually going on, which we need. This is also one of the reasons why you have to keep yourself spiritually protected. Because as you expose this stuff, the demons aren't gonna be happy that you're drawing attention to these things and they're gonna go after you. And if you keep yourself protected, that's why you have to keep your family protected and also your staff, etc., because they'll move laterally. And if you're not careful, so.

• 3:42:39Speaker 04

  The exposure is a necessary process in actually knowing the truth. And knowledge is such a key role in spiritual warfare. As I mentioned, in possession, your job, your goal is to get that one last piece of information that's going to get him out. Well, that also means that the knowledge, if people are armed with the knowledge of the stuff that you're revealing, at least they're not getting sucked into it and they can keep their families from getting sucked into it. And also then they'll start arming people to actually start dealing with it in their own lives.

• 3:43:15Speaker 04

  So it plays a very important role, but it also means that you're a target.

• 3:43:19Shawn Ryan?

  How do people protect themselves?

• 3:43:23Speaker 04

  Well, if you actually look at the way this plays itself out.

• 3:43:27Shawn Ryan?

  For me, the toll comes in anxieties.

• 3:43:30Speaker 04

  Yes, well.

• 3:43:31Shawn Ryan?

  It's sometimes debilitating.

• 3:43:34Speaker 04

  Okay, yeah, that is.

• 3:43:37Shawn Ryan?

  I'm gonna get killed, I'm gonna get shot, I'm gonna get, somebody's gonna run over me on the fucking side of the, I mean, for, I mean, we've exposed a lot of shit.

• 3:43:47Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:43:47Shawn Ryan?

  And it, and then you have people.

• 3:43:52Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 3:43:54Speaker 04

  The first thing you have to do is make sure that you're always leading a habitual life of grace, and by that I mean that you don't ever commit any grave sin that's offensive to the Lord, if you had, you gotta get that off your soul. The second, and then you have to live that life consistently. Because God will protect you to the degree that he, that you are, you maintain yourself under his protection. The second thing is, is then you have to start doing specific prayers to keep yourself protected. This is one of the, which is one of the reasons we started a group called Exiling Christian Oram, which is people just start praying for each other's protection. And we've, there's literally millions of people saying these prayers, so if they start, you plug into that protection. Then you have to start saying prayers for your own protection, and then you also have

• 3:44:38Speaker 04

  to, the specific prayers, so like if you're dealing with anxiety, then you need to start doing certain kinds of prayers, binding prayers specifically to bind any demon that's causing the anxiety. Start asking, it's like anything else. You have to ask our, like our Lord or Lady, reveal to me, what is at the root of this anxiety? What's the attachment I have? What is, because all the emotions that we have are rooted in some kind of an attachment. So if you can find out what that is, then you can start letting loose of that interiorly and the anxiety will begin to decline. Obviously, it has to do with making acts of faith, hope and charity, hope that God is, and that he's ultimately going to protect you. But in the end, one of the primary things is you have to start asking our Lord and our

• 3:45:21Speaker 04

  Lady to start protecting you every single day from this, from the, from any kind of attacks. Now, that's a relationship to the diabolic, but as I mentioned, they can move laterally. So they can use other people to cause you harm. And so you have to, you have to watch your flank. You have to start telling, asking our Lord or Lady, keep me protected, keep me hidden from the people that would cause me harm or damage, you know, so that they, because literally, I've seen this actually happen where, and this is actually how demons are able to keep things occult for years and decades and generations sometimes. This is because the demons can block people from reflecting on what they just, what they're seeing. I mean, we saw this in our own culture where there was just this massive evil going on.

• 3:46:06Speaker 04

  It's right in your face and people are just not processing it properly. So, but the opposite of that is actually the case. Start getting on your guardian angel and ask him to, you know, to protect you, but then ask our Lord or Lady, keep me hidden from these people so that they can't, they can't focus on me or reflect on the right things that would affect me or afflict me. And so you can start, you have to build your protection up over the course of time. And so that's, but the main reason, main thing is prayer, a very disciplined regimented prayer life over specific things and then also disciplined in relationship to fasting and developing the virtues. If you have any area that's not a virtue, you gotta get rid of that and you gotta build

• 3:46:50Speaker 04

  a virtue in that area and get rid of the vice so that you yourself can't get attacked. But then, once you get yourself straightened out, then like I said, you can start protecting other people and those that you work with. What is, what is so significant about fasting?

• 3:47:06Speaker 04

  It basically, well, there's two parts about it. If you're in the state of grace and you offer up the fasting for some particular, like your protection or for your children's well-being, what happened, then it's a meritorious act and God will grant the grace that you're petitioning. If you...

• 3:47:23Speaker 04

  Sorry about that, I'm a little dry. But if you... But the other part about it is, is that...

• 3:47:30Shawn Ryan?

  Does it have to be fasting? I'm just curious, so...

• 3:47:35Shawn Ryan?

  Just as an example, you're going to battle with demons every time you do an exorcism.

• 3:47:39Speaker 04

  Right.

• 3:47:40Shawn Ryan?

  Does that count?

• 3:47:43Shawn Ryan?

  Is that a sacrifice that you're making that most people would not make?

• 3:47:47Speaker 04

  Yes, it can count, but it's only in one area of our interior life. We have different inclinations. People have inclinations towards sex, that's why there's a virtue of chastity. People have an inclination towards food, that it's in, that they eat excessively, that's why you fast. Or they eat stuff that they're not supposed to be, that's why there's a virtue of abstinence. And so, the goal is to adorn your soul of all the virtues, and those are part of the virtues. St. Thomas says that the natural law commands all the virtues. Now, and the thing is, is that the reason why fasting is so important is because it, it... Basically, when you fast, you have to use your intellect and will to remain steadfast in, "I'm not gonna eat," even though the lower faculties are like, "Let's go eat."

• 3:48:32Speaker 04

  You know, "Let's go wolf down that 32-ounce steak." You know, "Let's just eat, I wanna eat, I wanna eat." Whereas you say, "No, I'm gonna stay." And what that does is it builds strength in the, in the, in the will, which is called continence, and then it slowly subordinates those lower faculties to where they're only gonna follow reason. Now, once that happens, the demons, their approach to us is in those lower faculties and in our imagination. But if, but if we've been in the habit of doing that, that means we're disciplined interiorly. And then as a result of that, the demons are not gonna wanna get involved with us, because if they attack us because of our discipline interiorly, we're gonna say no to it, more likely than if they tempt us with something that we're immoderate in, then we'll give into it. And so, the fasting plays a particular role in subjugating, as St. Paul says,

• 3:49:17Speaker 04

  you know, "Subjugate your bodies." That it brings an under-subjugation to reason and will, and then as a result of that, the demons are less likely to attack you, because they know they're more likely to lose.

• 3:49:32Shawn Ryan?

  And how do we protect our kids, our families? I mean, when I talk to you about baptism, I was actually gonna do it offline, but we might as well just do it here. I mean, I have not

• 3:49:43Shawn Ryan?

  baptized my kids yet.

• 3:49:46Shawn Ryan?

  I've wanted to wait until they can make the decision on their own.

• 3:49:51Speaker 04

  Yeah, the problem is they're unprotected.

• 3:49:54Shawn Ryan?

  Say that again.

• 3:49:55Speaker 04

  The problem is they're unprotected, at least in some respects. Because once you're in the state of grace, God extends greater protection for you to remain in the state of grace. And so, once they're baptized, they're brought into the state of grace, and then from there, they can actually, they're getting more protection as a result of it. The other thing is when we're baptized and we're in the state of grace, God also infuses us the infused virtues, so that we're able to, if we've developed the acquired virtue, then the infused virtues become more predominant, which is where we start doing things more for God and more for Christ and that type of thing. And so, they're able to keep their focus, they're able to actually fight the battle better based upon what their graces that they've been given

• 3:50:41Speaker 04

  to protect that state of grace, but then also they're infused the gifts of the Holy Spirit, where they have wisdom, fortitude, and knowledge and things of that sort. So they get more things to actually protect themselves in the process. The other difficulty is too, is that the problem with human nature after the original sin is that our tendency is to choose the easier path or the wrong path. It's just that's our tendency. And so, if we don't give kids the right formation, by that I mean in the sense, developing the virtues and getting them the right understanding and knowledge of these things, then even if you baptize them and confirm that, there's still gonna be a stage where they have to make the decision on their own anyway. But at least this way, you've you've

• 3:51:27Speaker 04

  armed them and equipped them with the ability to make the right decisions.

• 3:51:33Shawn Ryan?

  What is the significance of the godparents?

• 3:51:36Speaker 04

  The godparents are to, if the parents fail to give the kid proper instruction, that they're to instruct the child on what their obligations are before God. But the other thing is, is they're supposed to do prayer of suffering goods works for the spiritual well-being of the child. And so, you wanna make sure when you pick one, it's someone who's gonna be praying for your kid for the rest of its life, the rest of their life.

• 3:52:01Speaker 04

  Which is hard to find. Yeah. We're still looking.

• 3:52:15Speaker 04

  What do you think about psychedelics?

• 3:52:19Speaker 04

  Well, uh, they fall in the category of a drug, which is a little bit different from, say, something like alcohol, even though they categorize alcohol as a drug. There are certain things that are meant for, uh, general consumption and ongoing use. So you can drink wine pretty much every day as long as it's moderate. It's not, I may even have a health benefit, et cetera. That's different from a drug which God intended. God put these things here for a reason. And that means that we have to find out what is that reason? Why, what is the, what is the effect of this drug? What is its benefits? What are its bad part, uh, bad aspects to it? And so any drug can be used under specific circumstances if it's, uh, uh, if that particular drug ameliorates or cures a specific problem that a person has.

• 3:53:02Speaker 04

  So that being the case, if they do have a psychedelic that if it's used properly and would correct certain things, then it can be legitimately used. If it doesn't, or if it only has like a temporary effect or it causes other graver problems, then you don't use it. So it's basically just what you would do with any kind of a drug. You know, you use it ad hoc when you need it, but no more and no less. Do you think this unlocks a spiritual realm for people? Uh, it can when the, it's the, uh, it's using a drug for which you don't have a legitimate use, uh, need for it. And you use it immoderately is what opens the door to the demons getting involved.

• 3:53:43Speaker 04

  And, but with psychedelics, my understanding is, is if you give it a low enough dosages, they don't have the same kinds of problems anyway. But the point being is, is that you have to be careful with, um, people using it immoderately because that's where at war in a way that's not rightly ordered. Cause that's when the demons are really going to get involved.

• 3:54:03Shawn Ryan?

  Have you ever done them?

• 3:54:04Speaker 04

  No, not psychedelics.

• 3:54:09Speaker 04

  Part of it is, I value my intellectual faculties just a little too much for that.

• 3:54:17Shawn Ryan?

  I'm just curious, it's a big debate, you know, a lot of people are finding healing through them, including myself. And I think I told you, I'm four years, four years without booze.

• 3:54:28Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:54:30Shawn Ryan?

  Almost today. And that came from that.

• 3:54:36Speaker 04

  Yeah, as long as it has, it's like, as I mentioned, ad hoc, you only use it when you need to use it for a specific thing. And it's known that it actually cures these particular things and it's moderated. It's, it's actually what God intended. Saint Hildegard said, "There is no illness in man for which God has not created a remedy in nature." So I think that there, it can be legitimately used in those particular cases, provided that, you know, it can be scientifically proven or provided that it can be demonstrated that that does actually have these proper effects.

• 3:55:19Shawn Ryan?

  How about communion?

• 3:55:24Speaker 04

  Uh, yeah, so the, there, I have a case that I'm working on right now where the woman has actually seen the precious blood after the mass was done. So we did a consecration, had to get special permission from the bishop to allow her to receive the precious blood, which is also part of communion. And when she, because she saw what the demon would see, when she looked into the chalice, she actually saw blood.

• 3:55:59Speaker 04

  And that's because of the fact that the demons can see the humanity or certain aspects of the humanity of Christ. They can't see his soul and they can't see his divinity. But when they, when she looked into it, she saw blood. The, uh, so the communion is one of those things, uh, as the Catholics believe it's the body, blood, soul and divinity of Christ. And as a result of that, um, it does have a huge impact on, um, demons, uh, when a person who is receiving it on a regular basis, it tremendously weakens the demon's ability to, uh, influence. The other thing is too, is demons will do everything they can to keep people from receiving it.

• 3:56:41Shawn Ryan?

  Do you believe that the dead can contact us?

• 3:56:46Shawn Ryan?

  Relatives, friends?

• 3:56:52Speaker 04

  Uh, so, not under normal circumstances.

• 3:56:57Speaker 04

  They're basically, uh, they can, in other words, they're not going to appear and start talking to you. There are historical cases, even with saints talking to people that have died and that type of thing. There, those things have happened. But most of the time in our experience where it looks like, you know, Uncle Joe appears and, or Uncle Joe's in the house and he's causing these problems, it's a demon that's actually doing that. And so as a general rule, we tell people not to, uh, not to have anything to do with them or communicate with them. So it does happen on occasion, but it's extraordinarily rare.

• 3:57:31Shawn Ryan?

  What it, do you have any specific examples? How do you know what it, when it's real and when it's not?

• 3:57:38Speaker 04

  Uh, the, well, the way you're actually going to know it's diabolic is the fact that there's going to be some bad effects that result from it, or it's going to be something that is beyond human capacity to actually end up doing. A lot of times too is it's usually involved with some type of a cult activity like séances or things like that. You'll see those where where the demons will actually show up and they'll actually they'll actually do things. Whereas when if it's if it's on the side of the angels where it's actually good people appearing, that usually is for someone's certification or correction or rectitude in their spiritual life. So that doesn't happen too often. It's very it's extraordinarily rare, but it has happened.

• 3:58:21Speaker 04

  Historically, the in cases in possession cases, because the person sees what the demon sees, very often the people who are possessed will actually see these angels and the saints that show up to the particular sessions. And so they'll actually see them, but they but I don't see them in relationship to that. There is a particular kind of a case, which I've actually dealt with only one authentic case that I can think of, and that is when people who have died, but under circumstances where they were actually died in the graces of God, but the manner in which they died was disordered. So and usually the interpretation of that is is that the person's

• 3:59:03Speaker 04

  in kind of a holding stasis or in purgatory as Catholics would call it, but they're in the stasis where they can't go to heaven, but they're not going to be damned yet until certain conditions obtained. So there was a house where this woman was appearing, a former owner was appearing in a particular location, and everybody in the house had seen her at different times in this location. But every time they saw her, she was just like looking into the distance. She didn't communicate anything to him. And that's a tall tale sign that they're into this state. So what I did, I still do exercise the house, but what I did is I offered mass for the repose of her soul. And then I actually gained what's called a planetary indulgence, which is the removal of all of the requirements that God would have in a person's case like that,

• 3:59:48Speaker 04

  so that they can go into heaven. And then after that, she stopped appearing. So those types of things do happen, but they're extraordinarily rare.

• 3:59:57Shawn Ryan?

  Oh God. You had brought up Padre Piel.

• 4:00:00Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 4:00:00Shawn Ryan?

  Couple of times during the interview. He, he is the one that has the marks.

• 4:00:05Speaker 04

  Yes, that's right, the stigmata.

• 4:00:08Shawn Ryan?

  When did those appear?

• 4:00:09Speaker 04

  Uh, if I remember right, he was 27 when they appeared during a, um, a vision that he had had of Christ. While he was praying in a chapel. So he had, and then they remained on his body until, uh, once he, when he died. After he died, they disappeared.

• 4:00:26Shawn Ryan?

  Why did that happen?

• 4:00:28Speaker 04

  Why'd they disappear?

• 4:00:29Shawn Ryan?

  Why did he have it?

• 4:00:32Speaker 04

  Uh, we actually know there are historical cases where this has actually happened. It's right in Saint Paul, because Saint Paul says, "You know that I bear the marks of Christ on my body." So the tradition of the church was is that Saint Paul was the first one to have the stigmata. After that, there seems to be kind of a period where there's not too much happening. And then Saint Francis, Vassisi, had them. The, it's usually, um, done for instructional purposes for other people to draw their attention to the sufferings of Christ. But then also to draw their attention to the holiness of the particular individual. Um, because it's a tremendous suffering to have them physically, because they actually very often experience aspects of the passion in that process.

• 4:01:12Speaker 04

  So it's actually about, um, the sanctification of the one who has them, but then also for our instruction and for our, um, drawing our attention to what Christ went through.

• 4:01:28Shawn Ryan?

  In your book,

• 4:01:30Shawn Ryan?

  Diabolic Influence.

• 4:01:31Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 4:01:35Shawn Ryan?

  This isn't for the public.

• 4:01:36Speaker 04

  No.

• 4:01:37Shawn Ryan?

  Why is it not for the public? What's in there that the public does, that you don't want them to see?

• 4:01:42Speaker 04

  Um, so it's meant for clergy. Uh, speci- usually the most guys buying that are guys who are becoming exorcists. Um, because it's basically what I wanted to do is write a manual that you could hand to a priest. Because the, historically, they would say you should study all the, the, uh, the approved authors in this area. Well, they're strewn over 2,000 years in Latin and Greek and that type of thing. And most guys don't have access to that. So I wanted to write a manual, but in there is all the diagnostic material that we actually have and many of the remedies and recommendations. It's also, because I'd written three books in psychology, the way a planist understood it. When I started doing exorcisms, I just started watching the psychological patterns of demons

• 4:02:25Speaker 04

  and then also started watching the psychological overlay when demons get involved in human beings. And so those patterns that you see are also in there. I specifically removed them from the public version of it because we call it the CSI effect, which is people will read about it and then they come in and mimic it wanting an exorcism. And so it's primarily to keep the diagnostic side of things clean when we're doing it.

• 4:02:57Shawn Ryan?

  Okay. Some fascinating subjects in there. A lot of it wound up in this interview, but yeah. Well, Father, what a discussion.

• 4:03:10Speaker 04

  Well, thanks for having me. I really enjoyed it.

• 4:03:13Shawn Ryan?

  Thank you for coming.

• 4:03:14Speaker 04

  Hopefully this will help some people.

• 4:03:15Shawn Ryan?

  I think, I think this is gonna help a lot of people.

• 4:03:18Speaker 04

  Good.

• 4:03:19Shawn Ryan?

  You wanna end it a prayer?

• 4:03:20Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 4:03:21Shawn Ryan?

  All right.

• 4:03:22Speaker 04

  In the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Amen. We give you thanks, oh Lord, for all thy benefits, but also for all the knowledge and everything that has been given to us. We ask you to protect Shawn and all his staff and all those, especially in their pursuit of truth and their desire to make that truth known to all of us. Send down your angels to protect him. And also, Jesus, we say all these things in these for your specific glory that it may be given to you and not to us. In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

• 4:03:53Shawn Ryan?

  Amen. Thank you.

• 4:03:55Speaker 04

  Thank you, Shawn.

• 4:03:56Shawn Ryan?

  God bless.

• 4:03:57Speaker 04

  Cheers.

• 4:03:58Shawn Ryan?

  Dude.

• 4:03:59Speaker 04

  That's a boatload of information in a short period of time.

• 4:04:06Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah. Blew my mind.

• 4:04:10Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 4:04:14Speaker 04

  Man, that was good. Yeah. That was good. You feel good about it? I do, actually. Little nervous about talking about some of that stuff, but I'm like, you know what? You only live life once.

• 4:04:27Speaker 04

  And it's actually kind of come out in bits and pieces anywhere, so now it's at least it's all in one contained location. Right on. Yeah.

• 4:04:36Speaker 04

  Well, maybe we can come out to Denver and visit you. Yeah, anytime you're out there. Travel a lot or? Um, yeah, actually, well, my traveling has dropped off because when I first started this, uh, doing the exorcism work, I traveled extensively to do caseload, but at a certain point, I was just like, I can't do this anymore. So people come to Denver. Um, so now I only travel to maintain relationships with benefactors who provide all the money so that I can do this without having to try and raise the money. Um, and then also I do conferences from time to time. So Dan and I are doing a conference out in California, for example. Um, I'll do interviews like this once in a while. Uh, I'm pretty selective about who I'm willing to do interviews with only because of the fact that it's, um, you know, people, people want to make a name off of it.

• 4:05:22Speaker 04

  You've already got one, so I don't have to worry about it. And I know that you're serious about it.

• 4:05:28Speaker 04

  But, uh, so I don't, I don't travel that much anymore. I'm trying to cut down on it. I have had to do some take team, taking care of my mom with my sister, which is taking up some time. But outside of that, still devote my time to the work.

• 4:05:42Speaker 04

  Trying to get this one case broken now, 15 years. It's close, though. It's so close. 15 years? Yeah. He was so close to cracking. How old was he when it started? Um, well, the, the woman that's possessed, she became possessed because her, um, father, who was a Freemason, gave her up to another Freemason so that he could advance in Freemasons. So she was molested in the backseat of her parents' car with her parents sitting in the front seat. That's how she became possessed. And then she was possessed for a bulk of her life. And then I started working with her when she was in her like forty five or so about that age. And it's been a it's been a brutal grind.

• 4:06:23Speaker 04

  But it's her case that all this stuff is being revealed, like who's involved and what's going on and everything. Holy shit. So she's a trooper. She gets beat around a lot, but it's it's been a brutal case. Yeah, I'll bet. So. But I'm just trying to, but he, like I said, he was, he was so close to cracking. I did get out of him, but he actually does know what's going to liberate her and which is first step. Because sometimes they don't know. And then the second thing is, okay, now I got to get out of that, what it is. And he was just so close to cracking. Um, but then, but that's why I want to get the sessions resumed, which will resume in May. Actually, I gotta take a little bit of a hiatus, but in May we'll resume those. What is, what is the Freemasonry stuff?

• 4:07:08Speaker 04

  It's basically, um, well, it's a secret society, but it basically it's a form of Luciferianism where you become your own god. And it's a structured thing where that's slowly revealed to you until you get to the top. But all their rituals are in versions of Catholic rituals and or they're they're um, basically taken from various forms of witchcraft. So did it stem out of the Catholic Church? Historically, it started, the, the reason they're called Freemasons is because the masonry guilds in the early, uh, and they're during the Middle Ages. The guys would started these guilds to protect their, their, the craft of their building, buildings and that type of thing. And it was originally designed to maintain standards and that type of thing.

• 4:07:49Speaker 04

  But then it slowly morphed into, um, by the time you get to, uh, the late, into the sixteen hundreds. And then definitely in the seventeen hundred, by the time it get morphs into what we're seeing now. So, uh, so by the time you get to like seventeen seventeen, which is when the, it was officially established in France. It's already the, the whole structure is laid out. So originally, it was to to make sure the guys knew their the craft, but then it turned into witchcraft over the course of time.

• 4:08:20Shawn Ryan?

  Geez.

• 4:08:22Speaker 04

  And now it's everywhere.

• 4:08:24Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, the uh, the Catholic Church here in Franklin is surrounded by a.

• 4:08:28Speaker 04

  Yeah. So we don't know this way to get her get them out of there.

• 4:08:33Speaker 04

  Basically, there's a there's a ritual called the exorcism of apostate angels. It was written by Leo XIII. And what you do is you just get a priest who gets permission and faculties from his bishop, and he just stands out there. Um, not drawing attention to himself or anything, just sit in the car, but he he exercises the building every single day by that doing that ritual. And usually within forty to sixty days, they'll leave.

• 4:09:00Speaker 04

  So as I've seen guys shut down abortion clinics doing that.

• 4:09:05Shawn Ryan?

  Wow.

• 4:09:05Speaker 04

  So, but.

• 4:09:08Shawn Ryan?

  Man.

• 4:09:10Shawn Ryan?

  Man, awesome interview.

• 4:09:11Speaker 04

  Thank you.

• 4:09:12Shawn Ryan?

  Thank you for coming.

• 4:09:13Speaker 04

  I enjoyed it, actually.

• 4:09:14Shawn Ryan?

  It's it's I think the whole team enjoyed that one. I know I did. I learned a ton and uh, I'll have to watch it a couple more times just to retain everything, but.

• 4:09:23Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 4:09:24Shawn Ryan?

  That was that was that was awesome.

• 4:09:27Speaker 04

  Yeah, I tell people that my interviews, but even my conferences, like a fire hose, you know, you're just getting a bowl of information, but my attitude is even if you just get half of it, we're good. Yeah. So.

• 4:09:39Shawn Ryan?

  It's actually like, I think we we probably went four hours.

• 4:09:43Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 4:09:43Shawn Ryan?

  I'll bet, maybe more. But Andy talked fast, so it's probably.

• 4:09:48Speaker 04

  It's it's like.

• 4:09:50Shawn Ryan?

  It's actually like eight hours of information.

• 4:10:04Shawn Ryan?

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