The Debrief with Shawn and Katie | #004 Nick Kefalides

Shawn Ryan and his wife Katie Jean debrief and discuss behind the scenes and the entire experience of Shawn Ryan Show #004 with Nick Kefalides. Vigilance Elite/Shawn Ryan Links: Website - https://www.shawnryanshow.com Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/VigilanceElite TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@shawnryanshow Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/shawnryan762 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 1:30Speaker 04

  I knew that. I knew who was responsible for that attack on our own soil, and I just wanted... I was out for blood.

• 1:53Shawn Ryan?

  All right. 004 is in the fucking books. Done.

• 2:02Shawn Ryan?

  Done with. Only took about two weeks to edit. But, um.

• 2:07Katie Jean?

  It's nice to see you again.

• 2:08Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, well, it's nice to be back out of my dungeon. But, um, yeah, we got all this new equipment to streamline the editing process and, uh, then we added two more camera angles and we had all that, uh, man, he had some fucking awesome footage that we put in there.

• 2:30Katie Jean?

  That was really cool.

• 2:32Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 2:32Katie Jean?

  That was really, really cool.

• 2:34Shawn Ryan?

  It took a while to go through all that, but, man, he, him and his team must have had their helmet cams on the entire deployment, because there's that much footage.

• 2:48Katie Jean?

  Yeah. Did you have a helmet cam?

• 2:51Shawn Ryan?

  No, we didn't. I didn't have that when I was running ops. I wish I did. I thought I had a lot of fucking material. Uh, you know, with the throwback posts on Instagram and shit.

• 3:02Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 3:06Shawn Ryan?

  Nick has a metric fuck-ton worth of material.

• 3:10Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 3:11Shawn Ryan?

  And, uh, all kinds of stuff that, uh, we couldn't put on YouTube, unfortunately. A little too graphic. But it was good.

• 3:21Katie Jean?

  I think I got a glimpse of that here or there.

• 3:22Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry about that.

• 3:24Katie Jean?

  Yep.

• 3:25Shawn Ryan?

  But.

• 3:26Katie Jean?

  But it was a good time.

• 3:27Shawn Ryan?

  It was. It was good to see him.

• 3:29Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 3:30Shawn Ryan?

  I think it's been like three years, you know?

• 3:32Katie Jean?

  I was thinking about that too. I think it's been close to three.

• 3:35Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 3:39Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, I guess the last time I saw him, I think the last time we hung out was, uh, teaching that last class together in Okeechobee, Florida, and, uh, dude, Nick is, Nick was a hell of a teacher.

• 3:58Shawn Ryan?

  He just, when I first started teaching, it was hard to, it was really hard for me to break the fundamentals down because it...

• 4:09Shawn Ryan?

  It's when you get that advanced, it's kinda hard to go back to... It's kinda like teaching somebody how to walk. It's like, "I don't... You just do it."

• 4:17Katie Jean?

  Right.

• 4:17Shawn Ryan?

  And, um, so he actually, I learned a lot from him as well. Learning how to...

• 4:25Katie Jean?

  When you guys were teaching?

• 4:26Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah. Yeah, it was really... He was good. And, uh, but I'm glad he moved on, you know? Uh, he definitely seems a lot happier now.

• 4:35Katie Jean?

  Oh, my gosh. They're both like beaming. I mean, they're both like super happy. They moved, um...

• 4:45Katie Jean?

  Pretty far from Boca.

• 4:47Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, they moved down the middle of nowhere too.

• 4:49Katie Jean?

  Yeah. They did, didn't they?

• 4:52Shawn Ryan?

  It's funny, you know, the more...

• 4:56Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, we already kinda know this, but the more guys that come out here, the, uh, jump on the show...

• 5:04Shawn Ryan?

  Everybody, I mean, you can really start to kinda see like...

• 5:08Katie Jean?

  Like connect the dots?

• 5:09Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah. We all kinda like fit a mold here.

• 5:13Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 5:14Shawn Ryan?

  And, uh, there's a lot of similarities between everybody. And, um, yeah.

• 5:21Katie Jean?

  Yeah, I've picked up on that.

• 5:23Shawn Ryan?

  Did you?

• 5:23Katie Jean?

  Yep, sure have.

• 5:25Shawn Ryan?

  Well, you and Jillian did that podcast.

• 5:27Katie Jean?

  We did do that podcast.

• 5:29Shawn Ryan?

  I have not even been able to crack into that.

• 5:31Katie Jean?

  I know. I can't wait till you like start diving into that though.

• 5:35Shawn Ryan?

  What did you guys talk about?

• 5:36Katie Jean?

  All kinds of shit. It was good. We dug deep.

• 5:43Shawn Ryan?

  I know there is a discussion about him punching some dude in the mouth at a storage unit.

• 5:49Katie Jean?

  Yes, there is that.

• 5:51Shawn Ryan?

  Who I'm sure deserved it.

• 5:53Katie Jean?

  Yeah, from the sounds of the story, yeah.

• 5:56Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 5:56Katie Jean?

  But no, it was really good. And that's one of the things that Jillian and I talked about. Were the similarities between just the two of you guys. But after having a couple of guys and being here to see, you know, and meet them, there's definitely a...

• 6:13Katie Jean?

  A bunch of similarities between all of you.

• 6:15Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 6:16Katie Jean?

  But, yeah, that's gonna be a really good podcast. So, whenever you get around to editing that, that would be ideal.

• 6:22Shawn Ryan?

  Let me stay out of the dungeon a little bit. And, uh, and we got our next guest coming, so it might be just a minute.

• 6:31Katie Jean?

  A minute, but it'll be worth it. It's really good. And that's one thing that I do wish that, um, we, Jillian and I sat down here. We did our podcast together before you and Nick. And if I could go back to that weekend, I would have preferred to sit down with Jillian after filming you and Nick. Because we were here in the background doing the filming and whatnot. And there was so much from your podcast together that I kinda wish we could've touched on some of that, you know, in our podcast, so.

• 7:07Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 7:08Katie Jean?

  But it's still really good, you know? I think people are gonna like to see the other halves of you guys.

• 7:14Shawn Ryan?

  You didn't talk about me a lot in there, did you?

• 7:18Katie Jean?

  Of course not.

• 7:20Katie Jean?

  What's there to say?

• 7:20Shawn Ryan?

  Don't lie to me. Don't lie to me.

• 7:24Katie Jean?

  It's all good stuff.

• 7:25Shawn Ryan?

  Alright. Well, I can't wait to dig in and edit that and, uh, see what you guys did talk about.

• 7:31Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 7:32Shawn Ryan?

  We got the clips coming too, the couple, those couple stories that Nick told us to warm them up before the podcast.

• 7:39Katie Jean?

  Oh, yeah.

• 7:40Shawn Ryan?

  Those are pretty funny. I don't know what order we're gonna release all this shit in, but, um, yeah. But I think we'll probably release that and then this and then, and then probably your thing with Jillian. And then it'll be the next, the next guy, but, um, who we can't talk about quite yet.

• 8:00Katie Jean?

  No.

• 8:01Shawn Ryan?

  But, it's going back though, I can't fucking believe how nervous, uh, Nick was to sit in that chair.

• 8:10Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 8:11Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, he was, that's one of the first things he said when he, when they came up, you know, after we, uh, you know, did all the hugs and welcome to Tennessee and all that kinda shit. But he was like, man, he's like, I don't know, he's like, dude, I don't, um...

• 8:29Shawn Ryan?

  He's like, "Fucking Don has thirty something deployments." He's like, "Mike was at CAG and the Agency and SF and Kennedy."

• 8:39Katie Jean?

  Mm-hmm.

• 8:40Shawn Ryan?

  You know, had a, I mean,

• 8:44Shawn Ryan?

  I can't remember how many fucking gunfights that guy's been in.

• 8:47Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 8:47Shawn Ryan?

  But I was, I mean, a ton of them. And I was like, "Nick, what, I mean..." And I had known that he had fucking shot number three, you know, from when we were teaching together. And I knew a lot of that stuff, but I was just like, "Dude, like, what the fuck are you talking about?" And he's like, "I only have four deployments." And, and I was like, "No, no, no, no, no."

• 9:08Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 9:08Shawn Ryan?

  Like, dude, trust me. You rate, you overrate to sit in that chair. Like, it's a fucking honor to even have you here on this show. So, don't, you know, don't fucking think like that. And, uh, and, uh, but now that it's out, I mean...

• 9:28Katie Jean?

  He has an amazing story to share.

• 9:30Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah. That was, uh, that was really fucking good.

• 9:35Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 9:36Shawn Ryan?

  You know?

• 9:36Katie Jean?

  It really was.

• 9:37Shawn Ryan?

  And, uh, the way, the way it got all put together and, um, honestly, I don't, uh, it exceeded my expectations. And, and I learned a lot about him. And, and, um, there's so much more I wanted to go into, uh, with him. But, I mean, shit, we were, it was, I think it was like two hours and fifty minutes, uh, once we had it all edited. And, um, but, you know, we skipped some stuff and,

• 10:11Shawn Ryan?

  ah, you know, just what a fucking badass, you know?

• 10:13Katie Jean?

  Yeah, for sure.

• 10:15Shawn Ryan?

  Um, one thing I wanted to get to, but I didn't, I didn't want to bring it up, um, because we'd already kind of passed that point. But I think it was in the infantry and Jillian told you that...

• 10:31Shawn Ryan?

  One of the times that he was blown up with that IED that he was the only survivor and I mean, fuck man, you know, that's

• 10:47Katie Jean?

  Yeah, you guys didn't even have time to touch on that.

• 10:50Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, well, I didn't know, I'm not shy to ask any questions, but you know, I didn't know that until afterwards, actually. Or until we already passed that point when Jillian brought that up. But, you know, and even the phone call with Dan, you know, I mean, I didn't know that and then, you know, when we were trying to figure out who the hell we were gonna

• 11:16Shawn Ryan?

  who we were gonna have call in and that was, you know, when Jillian told, she told you that, right?

• 11:23Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 11:24Shawn Ryan?

  Dan and I don't know, I don't think Dan wants his last name out, but zero three underscore OG.

• 11:33Katie Jean?

  I think that's what it is.

• 11:34Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 11:34Katie Jean?

  Or O three under, something like that.

• 11:37Shawn Ryan?

  Whatever, we'll put it in the link at the bottom, but but I wasn't expecting that, you know, and I was like asking him

• 11:50Shawn Ryan?

  about, you know, if you have anything, it's always kind of weird because I had never fucking talked to him, you know what I mean? I didn't know who he was and it's gotta be, I'm thinking like, this guy's probably like, who the fuck is this dipshit asking me about? Fucking war stories about Nick, but he didn't skip a beat, man. He just went right into it and he's, he told me about Nick slapping those fucking guys off the stairwell and jumping on the machine gun so that him and his squad could go fucking kill those dudes and they had the fucking YouTube video.

• 12:27Katie Jean?

  That was crazy.

• 12:28Shawn Ryan?

  Right?

• 12:29Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 12:29Shawn Ryan?

  There was so much good footage.

• 12:31Katie Jean?

  It was like perfectly synced with what he was saying in the footage.

• 12:35Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, but, but yeah, Dan told me that and I was like, holy shit, dude. I was like, and this was, I mean, no wonder he got fucking hand selected.

• 12:45Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 12:46Shawn Ryan?

  Twice, but

• 12:51Shawn Ryan?

  man, you know, what a

• 12:54Shawn Ryan?

  That made it too. Like, it all made it, but I wasn't expecting that, you know, from the call. And I was like, fuck, man. Like, this is gonna be real good.

• 13:06Katie Jean?

  Well, remember when after that, we took like a break and we all went downstairs? And Nick was getting like really into it because he was like, all these stories and all this stuff is coming back. You know what I mean? Like after talking to Dan and like, he was saying how like, you know, he's starting to remember all this other stuff. You know, that happened on his deployments.

• 13:25Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, yeah. You know, I think, um, I don't think we could have portrayed a Marine grunt gone soft any better. I mean, what a story, you know? It like fits the mold of what I think of when I think of Marines. Which I think fucking badasses, that's what I think. And Nick is definitely a badass. And, uh, you know, we had kinda talked about this the other day, that SEALs kinda fit.

• 14:05Shawn Ryan?

  You know, they were all kinda, you know, everybody has like their quirks and the things they're known for. And, um, I, um, the word I'm looking for is-

• 14:16Katie Jean?

  Is it like stereotype?

• 14:17Shawn Ryan?

  Yes, yes. Every unit, every branch, every SOF unit has a stereotype. And I think Nick, in a good way, is the fucking picture perfect, um, stereotype that you think of when you think of a United States Marine.

• 14:36Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 14:37Shawn Ryan?

  And, uh, and I mean that with the most respect, obviously, and, uh-

• 14:41Katie Jean?

  Who do you think has a bad rap?

• 14:44Shawn Ryan?

  A bad rap?

• 14:45Katie Jean?

  Yeah, like who do you think has like a bad stereotype? Is there one?

• 14:49Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, we all probably have a bad stereotype and a good stereotype. But, uh-

• 14:56Katie Jean?

  Like good and bad with each-

• 14:59Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 15:00Katie Jean?

  Division?

• 15:00Shawn Ryan?

  There's definitely good things about and bad things about every branch.

• 15:05Katie Jean?

  There aren't bad things about Navy SEALs, though.

• 15:10Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, okay.

• 15:13Shawn Ryan?

  Alright, yeah, well. Maybe we'll talk about that sometime. But, uh, but, uh, yeah, you know, everybody's got the good and bad.

• 15:23Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 15:23Shawn Ryan?

  And, um, but, uh, yeah, I think, uh, that was everything I was looking for and, uh, and he was nervous to get his story out. Now it's out.

• 15:33Katie Jean?

  Mm-hmm.

• 15:34Shawn Ryan?

  And, um, it's, it was fun to talk to him on the phone after we had done the release and we were approaching close to a hundred thousand views already. And, uh, he's like, "Man," he's like, "I am booking charters left and right."

• 15:53Katie Jean?

  That's awesome.

• 15:54Shawn Ryan?

  And people are donating.

• 15:55Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 15:56Shawn Ryan?

  You know, so that he can bring, uh, veterans out, combat veterans.

• 16:00Katie Jean?

  Yep.

• 16:01Shawn Ryan?

  Uh, on his, uh, on his charter and, uh, fucking slay some bass, which is cool as shit.

• 16:06Katie Jean?

  That is so cool that he's doing that.

• 16:08Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah. Well, I mean, I, he was paying for that out of his pocket.

• 16:12Katie Jean?

  Right.

• 16:13Shawn Ryan?

  And, uh, and now because he got his story out and so many people can relate to it,

• 16:24Shawn Ryan?

  they're supporting him.

• 16:25Katie Jean?

  I know.

• 16:26Shawn Ryan?

  And, uh, that's...

• 16:28Shawn Ryan?

  With all the shit that's going on today, you know what I mean? Every time we flip the news on, I about have a fucking aneurysm. To see something like that, you know, like a story like this that won out, that was probably actually, you know, I mean, fuck, it was demonetized like right off the bat. You know what I mean? Which that pisses me off and I don't...

• 16:52Shawn Ryan?

  I'm getting sidetracked here, but, you know, I mean, here we have a fucking war hero trying to tell his story and it's being filtered for fucking political reasons and that shit sucks.

• 17:02Katie Jean?

  It does.

• 17:03Shawn Ryan?

  But, um, you know, with all the shit that's going on in the news to see like, to put something like that out and to see the viewers donate, buy his merch, book charters, all that kinda stuff, it's just, uh, it restores a little faith in humanity.

• 17:22Katie Jean?

  It does.

• 17:23Shawn Ryan?

  And you start to realize, you know, like...

• 17:28Shawn Ryan?

  The news is fucking bullshit.

• 17:29Katie Jean?

  It is.

• 17:30Shawn Ryan?

  You know, there are actually good people in the world.

• 17:33Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 17:33Shawn Ryan?

  They just aren't in the media.

• 17:35Katie Jean?

  Yeah, and Nick's such a stand-up dude and Jillian's a wonderful woman and it's just like to see them doing so much good and to see how the viewers are also seeing that and appreciating it, that's really cool.

• 17:49Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 17:53Katie Jean?

  And he's a damn good fisherman.

• 17:55Shawn Ryan?

  How do you know?

• 17:56Katie Jean?

  I see all of his posts.

• 17:57Shawn Ryan?

  I know. We gotta go.

• 18:00Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 18:01Shawn Ryan?

  He's, I bet he was really up the game with those gummy bears.

• 18:04Katie Jean?

  Oh, that's true. That's very true.

• 18:07Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, did you see that? He just pulled out like, it looks like a 20-pounder today.

• 18:13Katie Jean?

  That must have been the cherry flavor.

• 18:14Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 18:16Katie Jean?

  Lured that one in.

• 18:17Shawn Ryan?

  Everybody likes the cherries.

• 18:23Katie Jean?

  Speaking of which, the gummy bear sales have been like crazy. That's been fun.

• 18:27Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, yeah. Thank you everyone for ordering the gummy bears.

• 18:31Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 18:33Shawn Ryan?

  They are fucking delicious.

• 18:36Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 18:37Shawn Ryan?

  I'm surprised I haven't eaten them all yet.

• 18:39Katie Jean?

  I am too.

• 18:40Shawn Ryan?

  I put a good dent in them.

• 18:42Katie Jean?

  It's pretty tempting to have them around all the time. You know who else loved those gummy bears?

• 18:47Shawn Ryan?

  Who?

• 18:48Katie Jean?

  Douglas.

• 18:49Shawn Ryan?

  Oh dude, that dog was so fucking cool.

• 18:52Katie Jean?

  He's really cool.

• 18:53Shawn Ryan?

  How fucking funny is that shit? We have Griffin.

• 18:58Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 18:58Shawn Ryan?

  Little Griffy, the Brussels Griffon.

• 19:01Katie Jean?

  The Brussels Griffon.

• 19:02Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah. And they have a wiener dog.

• 19:07Katie Jean?

  A long-haired wiener dog.

• 19:08Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, it's cool.

• 19:09Katie Jean?

  Named Douglas.

• 19:12Shawn Ryan?

  It's cool because, and how about, uh, when Jillian showed us that picture of how Douglas sleeps with Nick?

• 19:21Katie Jean?

  Oh my gosh.

• 19:22Shawn Ryan?

  And Douglas's fucking head is on the pillow and the same pillow as Nick. You know?

• 19:32Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 19:33Shawn Ryan?

  It's just cool to see, you know, everybody has the, uh, you know, the, the attack dogs and those are cool as shit. But, um...

• 19:44Shawn Ryan?

  You don't see too many soft guys running around with lap dogs.

• 19:48Katie Jean?

  No.

• 19:49Shawn Ryan?

  We wanted to film that thing where we actually did, like, kinda like a mini show, I guess you would call it, with our lap dogs.

• 19:58Katie Jean?

  Right.

• 19:58Shawn Ryan?

  On our laps. But...

• 20:00Katie Jean?

  I wish you guys had done that.

• 20:02Shawn Ryan?

  That would've been fucking hilarious.

• 20:03Katie Jean?

  I mean, the whole time we're up here, while you guys are filming, before we actually, you know, hit record, Douglas was with Nick and Griff was with you.

• 20:12Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 20:13Katie Jean?

  And then they created like a little bond. Griffin hasn't been the same since Douglas left.

• 20:17Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, he's all depressed and shit.

• 20:19Katie Jean?

  He is. We gotta keep the gummy bears away from him.

• 20:21Shawn Ryan?

  He had a new friend.

• 20:22Katie Jean?

  He's eating his sorrows away.

• 20:25Shawn Ryan?

  Gone. Yeah. But, well, we got apparel coming, so maybe that'll cheer him up.

• 20:33Katie Jean?

  That will cheer him up.

• 20:34Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, he doesn't give a shit, he's a dog.

• 20:36Katie Jean?

  You gotta go easy on the gummy bears so he can fit in the new t-shirts.

• 20:39Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah. Well, yeah, so we got apparel coming, that only took about, what? Eight months to get back into the apparel game?

• 20:50Katie Jean?

  But we made it.

• 20:50Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, what a fucking nightmare that's been.

• 20:52Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 20:53Shawn Ryan?

  I think this one, this time, is gonna go good. But, um...

• 20:57Katie Jean?

  Yeah, I'm excited to see those go live and

• 21:01Katie Jean?

  see people wearing the shirts again, you know?

• 21:02Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, well, you know, we got the next guest coming. And, uh...

• 21:09Shawn Ryan?

  I wanna tell everybody who it is.

• 21:11Katie Jean?

  I know.

• 21:12Shawn Ryan?

  But...

• 21:14Shawn Ryan?

  We've had a couple cancellations and, uh... So I'm not going to...

• 21:19Katie Jean?

  I feel like it would be jinxing it at this point. Like, I'm just kinda nervous to...

• 21:23Shawn Ryan?

  Well, COVID kinda fucked everything up and we had a whole slew of cancellations.

• 21:29Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 21:30Shawn Ryan?

  And now it's back in the news again, so, uh, it wouldn't surprise me if we lose some more guests, but I think we're booked. How many more guests do we have coming that are on the schedule?

• 21:46Katie Jean?

  I think we're like, five?

• 21:49Shawn Ryan?

  Do we have five?

• 21:50Katie Jean?

  I think it might be five. We're almost to like the end of the year, cuz now it's July, so, yeah. I think we're gonna be... Book till...

• 22:00Shawn Ryan?

  All solid people.

• 22:02Katie Jean?

  Yeah, I'm like, super stoked about that.

• 22:05Shawn Ryan?

  And one of them, if it pans out, is gonna be our first non-military person on the podcast, and that'll be...

• 22:15Shawn Ryan?

  It'll be interesting to see what the audience has to say about that.

• 22:18Katie Jean?

  I know.

• 22:18Shawn Ryan?

  What they think.

• 22:19Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 22:21Shawn Ryan?

  But, um...

• 22:22Katie Jean?

  That will be cool.

• 22:23Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, but... Well, let's wrap this thing up. Don't we have some questions from Patreon?

• 22:29Katie Jean?

  We do have questions.

• 22:32Katie Jean?

  We have questions from Patreon and Instagram. Which one would you like first?

• 22:39Shawn Ryan?

  Well,

• 22:41Shawn Ryan?

  Patreon's the best, so we'll save the best for last.

• 22:44Katie Jean?

  Okay. So, from Instagram, Donnie Brook Fishing asked, "What was one cool thing you learned about Nick that you didn't know?"

• 22:56Shawn Ryan?

  One cool thing I learned about Nick that I didn't know? I didn't know Nick loved the lapdog so much. But, uh, no, uh, I think probably the

• 23:12Shawn Ryan?

  most important thing that I learned about Nick that I didn't know is, uh, I did not know that story that Dan told us about him. Uh, I mean, I think that's just fucking cool as shit. And, uh, I didn't know, actually, I didn't know about, um, you know, the ID, and, uh, that he was the only survivor either. Had no idea, you know, and we spent a lot of time together, uh, teaching, and, uh, that just never came up. But, um, you know, that's a

• 23:48Shawn Ryan?

  hard thing to live with. And, uh, so... But, that's... I learned a lot of things, but I would say those, uh, those are what, that's what sticks, sticks out in my, in my head, so...

• 24:01Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 24:03Katie Jean?

  So two things. You learned two things about him this trip.

• 24:06Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, three.

• 24:07Katie Jean?

  Three.

• 24:08Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah. But...

• 24:14Katie Jean?

  Next question from Instagram is from Dylan Holzer. What criteria do you look for when choosing a guest?

• 24:24Shawn Ryan?

  I would say it's a... Well, that's "we" to start with, but the initial things that I look for is...

• 24:35Shawn Ryan?

  I'm just looking for somebody that... You know, the one... I like doing the ones like Nick, you know, and Don, and I like all of them, but when you can get somebody's story out

• 24:52Shawn Ryan?

  that hasn't been heard yet, and you're the first one to bring it out, and then you watch, you know, the success that comes from telling that story on a platform of 500,000 subscribers. I mean, it's... It just makes you feel good. And, you know, we get a lot of requests for podcasts and of who people want, but I'm always kind of looking for the guy who's been quiet, who hasn't got their story out, who doesn't have a fan club behind them, who hasn't, you know what I mean, told their story 8 million fucking times. I want fresh material.

• 25:35Shawn Ryan?

  And, one, because a lot of times, people just don't have a place to get their story out, and not that everybody wants to, but it's... I like that, you know? It's something different, and it keeps my interest. If I'm talking to somebody whose story I've heard 50 fucking times,

• 25:58Shawn Ryan?

  it's hard, you know, to keep interest in that. So... So, I don't know, that's kind of... And then, other than that, just I definitely want a good person, you know, somebody that I think is a good person.

• 26:17Shawn Ryan?

  Somebody that I like being around.

• 26:19Katie Jean?

  Right.

• 26:19Shawn Ryan?

  You know, I mean, this isn't like the other podcasts where you just show up, hit the fucking record button and that's it. I mean, we hung out for what, five days?

• 26:29Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 26:30Shawn Ryan?

  Before we podcasted? And, um, you know, when Glover was here, I think he was here for five days. Kennedy was here for three or four days. Don was here for...

• 26:43Katie Jean?

  He was here-

• 26:43Shawn Ryan?

  I think Don was here over a week.

• 26:44Katie Jean?

  I think so.

• 26:46Shawn Ryan?

  But, um, you know, and, and it takes a minute, you know, to build that, to be comfortable sitting in that chair. And, uh, so, uh, we are definitely looking for somebody that we could, would like to hang out with, you know?

• 27:02Katie Jean?

  I think that's one of the things though, that makes the podcast so good is

• 27:07Katie Jean?

  they're in our home, we're having a good time, there, there's no rush to it. And, um, I think there's just like this overall feeling of

• 27:19Katie Jean?

  comfort, maybe is the word I'm looking for, where it's just like, they just want to open up, they want to share their story, like it just doesn't feel like anyone's pressed for time, or, um, you know, we've got this checklist of stuff to go through and, and then you're out. You know what I mean?

• 27:34Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 27:35Katie Jean?

  So-

• 27:35Shawn Ryan?

  It's a lot more intimate-

• 27:37Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 27:37Shawn Ryan?

  -than that.

• 27:38Katie Jean?

  And then we have a good time once it's over, too, you know?

• 27:40Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 27:41Katie Jean?

  So-

• 27:42Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah. Nick loves those fucking goats.

• 27:48Shawn Ryan?

  I don't know if he likes the alpacas that much, but he loves the goats and Jillian loves all of them.

• 27:54Katie Jean?

  I know.

• 27:55Shawn Ryan?

  So-

• 27:55Katie Jean?

  Nick also liked the duck, though. He was getting a kick out of the duck.

• 27:58Shawn Ryan?

  Oh yeah, he did like the fucking duck.

• 28:00Katie Jean?

  The way the duck would waddle.

• 28:02Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 28:03Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 28:04Shawn Ryan?

  Next question.

• 28:05Katie Jean?

  Okay, next question. Uh, Malcolm Newton, and this one's from Patreon. Question for Sean, was there any one specific moment in your career that you thought, what the fuck am I doing here? And why am I doing this? That stands out to you?

• 28:22Shawn Ryan?

  Uh...

• 28:24Shawn Ryan?

  Like every day of my, no, I'm just kidding. Yeah, all the time. I'm not sure which career, but yeah, you know. I'll give you an example. When I was in the SEAL teams, my first deployment was to UCOM. And the first part of that deployment, I did nothing but go to the bar and get shithoused. And

• 28:50Katie Jean?

  Hold on, real quick, what's UCOM?

• 28:52Shawn Ryan?

  Oh, I deployed to Germany.

• 28:55Katie Jean?

  Oh.

• 28:55Shawn Ryan?

  Everybody else was in Afghanistan, Iraq, fucking Pakistan, getting it. And here's my dumb ass, sitting in fucking Germany at the bar, listening to briefings like, "Hey, the guys in Afghanistan just killed like 125 people last night." And I'm like, "Cool, I probably drank 125 fucking beers, great." So glad I went through all that training to be here. And at that point, I was wondering, "What in the fuck am I doing here?" And

• 29:27Katie Jean?

  That's a good example.

• 29:29Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, you know, fast forward to another career, when I was teaching firearms, or gun training, tactics, whatever, you know, and I remember, I remember,

• 29:43Shawn Ryan?

  you know, to be, it's a lot more fun teaching when you have zero following. Because nobody gives a shit who you are, they just want to learn. They just want to like, take the knowledge that you have and to make themselves better. But then you start building a following and it becomes, "What holster is this? What belt is that? What kind of magazines are those? What kind of this is that? What kind of barrel is that? What, who makes those sunglasses?"

• 30:16Shawn Ryan?

  What kind of shirt is that? Can I smell your socks? You know, and I remember the first course that happened to me, Nick, and Scott were there. And that was another moment that I was like, what the fuck am I doing here? You know what I mean? Like, I'm here to fucking shoot and teach people how to defend themselves. And nobody gives a shit about anything but what brand nods I have on and what my shoes are and what fucking jeans I'm wearing and my belt and my holster and my mag pouches and I don't like that.

• 30:50Katie Jean?

  Yeah. I distinctly remember that night when you came home from that

• 30:54Shawn Ryan?

  I did not, yeah.

• 30:55Katie Jean?

  Where that happened.

• 30:56Shawn Ryan?

  It felt really fucking weird.

• 30:58Katie Jean?

  You were not a happy camper.

• 31:00Shawn Ryan?

  No. And, um, but anyways, so there's two what the fuck moments. You want a third?

• 31:07Katie Jean?

  Sure.

• 31:07Shawn Ryan?

  Alright.

• 31:08Katie Jean?

  Bring it.

• 31:09Shawn Ryan?

  Here we go, number three.

• 31:13Shawn Ryan?

  I get like that sometime with YouTube, you know? I mean, I guess I'm a YouTuber now, so, but, yeah. But, you know, when you put a video out and

• 31:26Shawn Ryan?

  it doesn't fit the political agenda of certain people, it gets fucking censored and, you know, on all social media platforms. And when you put that much time into something like this one, you know, fucking two weeks I spent editing this damn thing. And it was worth it, you know, but we've put out a lot of content that never got any traction and it's because

• 31:58Shawn Ryan?

  doesn't, you know, it's not in line with whatever agenda is going on at the time. And so that makes you wonder what the fuck you're doing here and why you're even wasting your time doing this shit, but, um... Luckily, this was not one of those.

• 32:15Katie Jean?

  Right.

• 32:15Shawn Ryan?

  I'm really happy with how this is going.

• 32:16Katie Jean?

  And you're not wasting your time because I see the emails and you see all the comments and everything and you help a lot of people too and all the guys that sit in this chair and

• 32:26Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 32:27Katie Jean?

  You know, they all help a lot of people, so.

• 32:29Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, it's all worth it. I'm not talking about necessarily any specific podcast or anything, but there are videos, you know, that's like, yeah, I'm like, that was a really good one.

• 32:38Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 32:39Shawn Ryan?

  There was a lot of good information. Some of the COVID stuff we did.

• 32:42Katie Jean?

  Mm-hmm.

• 32:42Shawn Ryan?

  When we were giving information out on YouTube on what, how to prep and

• 32:49Shawn Ryan?

  stay out of fucking panic mode and all that shit. A lot of those were being censored right off the bat and

• 32:55Katie Jean?

  It's crazy to me.

• 32:56Shawn Ryan?

  And then for some reason they wound up taking off, but... So, yeah, there's three things and there's a lot more, you know?

• 33:04Katie Jean?

  I know there are.

• 33:05Shawn Ryan?

  So...

• 33:08Katie Jean?

  Alright, you want one more?

• 33:10Shawn Ryan?

  What else we got?

• 33:11Katie Jean?

  We got one more and this is coming from the Blood Analyst.

• 33:17Shawn Ryan?

  Oh!

• 33:18Katie Jean?

  Yeah, you're familiar with this one.

• 33:20Shawn Ryan?

  This is the, uh, Blood Spatter?

• 33:23Katie Jean?

  Yes.

• 33:23Shawn Ryan?

  Blood Spatter Analyst and Forensic Scientist?

• 33:28Katie Jean?

  That's the one.

• 33:30Shawn Ryan?

  This lady is interesting.

• 33:31Katie Jean?

  She's very interesting.

• 33:33Shawn Ryan?

  She has, she's, we haven't watched the Netflix thing yet, but she solved that big, uh, that big, what was that guy, like serial killer?

• 33:44Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 33:45Shawn Ryan?

  Isn't he chopping people up and putting them in freezers or something?

• 33:47Katie Jean?

  I'm drawing a blank.

• 33:50Katie Jean?

  But I know the documentary on Netflix, but we have to watch it, but, um, I'm completely drawing a blank.

• 33:57Shawn Ryan?

  Well, we're gonna watch it soon and, uh...

• 34:00Katie Jean?

  It was a really popular one, though.

• 34:01Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 34:02Katie Jean?

  Like definitely on like the little trending menu on Netflix.

• 34:06Shawn Ryan?

  Anyways, she's a badass and she solved that and, uh, which is fucking cool, so...

• 34:14Shawn Ryan?

  Uh, who knows? Maybe she'll be a guest on here someday.

• 34:16Katie Jean?

  That would be really cool.

• 34:17Shawn Ryan?

  Blood, I mean, do you think she watches Dexter?

• 34:21Katie Jean?

  Uh, I would assume so.

• 34:23Shawn Ryan?

  Do you think she does things that Dexter does?

• 34:27Katie Jean?

  I don't know. We should hide this saran wrap.

• 34:32Shawn Ryan?

  If we have her out, I'm gonna wrap this whole room in plastic and we're gonna do the show and that.

• 34:36Katie Jean?

  That would be cool.

• 34:39Katie Jean?

  Okay, well, she has two questions here for you. How long does it take to record an entire episode from start to finish? And how much recorded time versus how much time it takes? How much it on the actual show?

• 35:00Shawn Ryan?

  Oh.

• 35:01Katie Jean?

  How much makes it on the actual show?

• 35:03Shawn Ryan?

  That's a good question.

• 35:06Shawn Ryan?

  Shit, damn near everything makes it onto the show.

• 35:11Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, there's very...

• 35:14Shawn Ryan?

  I would say less than 5% of the footage gets pulled from the show. I mean, you know, and you can help me out with this because you do all the filming. But how long did we film with? Was that like eight hours?

• 35:33Katie Jean?

  It was a long time and I know with Kennedy, they've all taken

• 35:40Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 35:41Katie Jean?

  A minute for sure because Dawn, we had to take like a lot more breaks.

• 35:48Shawn Ryan?

  Dawn, we'd had to pull a lot of footage.

• 35:49Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 35:51Shawn Ryan?

  Because it took us, what, three times? Three times we tried to do that, three or four times.

• 35:57Katie Jean?

  I think so, but I think with Nick, yeah, it was probably like an eight-hour day.

• 36:05Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 36:05Katie Jean?

  With all the gummy bear breaks, it would probably be about an eight-hour day.

• 36:09Shawn Ryan?

  There was a lot of gummy bear breaks.

• 36:10Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 36:10Shawn Ryan?

  And a pizza break.

• 36:12Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 36:12Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 36:13Katie Jean?

  Dog walking.

• 36:14Shawn Ryan?

  But it's not all... So anyways, a shorter answer would be just about everything actually makes it into the podcast. Even though we just said it's eight hours, that also includes sound checks, video checks.

• 36:32Shawn Ryan?

  Sound checks again.

• 36:33Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 36:33Shawn Ryan?

  Sound checks for a third time. Getting Griffin to shut the fuck up and back in the crate. You know, stuff like that, so. But I would say anywhere from five to six hours it takes to do a full recording. Or five to eight hours, I guess, to do a full thing, but I mean, that's, you know, half of that's the lighting, the sound. I mean, we got boom mics, we got labs, we got three to four different cameras. And all the lighting, all that shit. So it takes a while to get set up.

• 37:14Katie Jean?

  Right, and then with every break that we take, we end up coming back up and then kind of refocusing.

• 37:21Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 37:22Katie Jean?

  Brushing crumbs off.

• 37:23Shawn Ryan?

  Brushing crumbs off.

• 37:26Katie Jean?

  You know what I mean?

• 37:27Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 37:28Katie Jean?

  So, there's a lot.

• 37:29Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 37:29Katie Jean?

  But it's totally worth it.

• 37:31Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, but yeah, it's not... What you see is what happens. You're not missing much.

• 37:37Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 37:38Shawn Ryan?

  And we even put a couple of the clips that you did miss on my Instagram, like us burping and... And then we're in the middle of the show and I'm like, "Oh, fuck, are we recording?" I was... I'm over here fucking crunching ice cubes and everybody else thinks we're recording, but yeah. What was the second question?

• 37:59Katie Jean?

  Um, you pretty much answered it. How much recorded time versus how much makes it on the actual show?

• 38:06Shawn Ryan?

  Oh, alright. Well, I guess that about wraps things up, but I hope you guys all liked 004. I think you're really gonna like 005.

• 38:21Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 38:21Shawn Ryan?

  Uh, that person's coming out on the 9th of July.

• 38:25Katie Jean?

  Fingers crossed.

• 38:26Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, hopefully, but...

• 38:31Shawn Ryan?

  I will tell them about, should I tell them about the pilot?

• 38:36Katie Jean?

  The pi- oh.

• 38:37Shawn Ryan?

  We might have a Vietnam

• 38:40Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 38:40Shawn Ryan?

  F-4 Marine Fighter pilot who flew over 100 combat missions in Vietnam. And I used to give private lessons to this guy and to be honest, he makes us all look like a bunch of pussies.

• 38:56Katie Jean?

  But here's the real kicker with him.

• 38:57Shawn Ryan?

  What?

• 38:58Katie Jean?

  He's not on social media.

• 38:59Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, nobody can follow him.

• 39:01Katie Jean?

  That's like the coolest part.

• 39:02Shawn Ryan?

  Andy owns a huge engineering company, so he doesn't give a fuck.

• 39:05Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 39:05Shawn Ryan?

  Unless you're gonna build a 50-story building in Miami because of this show, he probably doesn't give a shit, so it's pretty cool, you know, but I really hope he comes.

• 39:20Katie Jean?

  Yeah, I do too. But yeah, we've got a solid lineup.

• 39:25Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 39:25Katie Jean?

  I'm super pumped.

• 39:26Shawn Ryan?

  Me too, me too.

• 39:28Katie Jean?

  And just stay tuned for me and Jillian.

• 39:31Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 39:32Katie Jean?

  When we take the hot seat.

• 39:33Shawn Ryan?

  I'll get on that. I'll get on that. I needed a break, but...

• 39:38Katie Jean?

  I know.

• 39:39Shawn Ryan?

  All right, well, I hope you guys like 004. Sign up for Patreon, buy gummy bears, buy a hat.

• 39:50Katie Jean?

  Get ready to buy a shirt.

• 39:52Shawn Ryan?

  Rep the brand and if you support us, we will still keep cranking out content. So thank you everybody for listening, for watching, and...

• 40:06Katie Jean?

  I hope they like the debrief.

• 40:08Shawn Ryan?

  We'll be seeing you soon.

• 40:09Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

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