#200 Tom Homan - The U.S. Border Czar

Tom Homan is the U. S. Border Czar under President Donald Trump’s second administration, appointed in November 2024 to oversee border security and interior enforcement operations. A career law enforcement officer, Homan served as Acting Director of U. S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) from 2017 to 2018, where he implemented stringent immigration policies. With over 4 decades of experience, including roles as a police officer and Border Patrol agent, Homan is a leading advocate for enforcing immigration laws, focusing on deporting individuals deemed public safety or national security threats. Homan’s initiatives include increasing ICE detentions and prosecuting those who impede federal immigration enforcement. Shawn Ryan Show Sponsors: ⁠https://www.roka.com⁠ - USE CODE SRS ⁠https://www.americanfinancing.net/srs⁠ NMLS 182334, nmlsconsumeraccess.org ⁠https://www.betterhelp.com/srs⁠ This episode is sponsored by Better Help. Give online therapy a try at ⁠betterhelp.com/srs⁠ and get on your way to being your best self. ⁠https://www.bubsnaturals.com/shawn⁠ ⁠https://www.fastgrowingtrees.com⁠ - USE CODE SRS ⁠https://www.shawnlikesgold.com⁠ ⁠https://www.drinkhoist.com⁠ - USE CODE SRS ⁠https://www.hometitlelock.com⁠ - USE CODE SRS Go to https://hometitlelock.com/SRS and use promo code SRS to get a FREE title history report so you can find out if you’re already a victim AND 14 days of protection for FREE! And make sure to check out the Million Dollar TripleLock protection details when you get there! Exclusions apply. For details visit https://hometitlelock.com/warranty ⁠https://www.moinkbox.com/srs⁠ ⁠https://www.preparewithshawn.com⁠ ⁠htps://www.paladinpower.com/srs⁠ ⁠https://www.patriotmobile.com/srs⁠ ⁠https://www.ziprecruiter.com/srs Tom Homan Links: Website - https://www.ice.gov X - https://x.com/Tom_Homan Book by Tom Homan - As an Amazon Associate we earn from qualifying purchases (paid links): Defend the Border and Save Lives: Solving Our Most Important Humanitarian and Security Crisis Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 1:05Shawn Ryan?

  Tom Homan, welcome to the show.

• 1:07Speaker 03

  Thanks for having me.

• 1:08Shawn Ryan?

  Oh, thanks for coming. We've been trying to get this done since, man, I feel like it's been like six months we've been playing phone tag and trying to get you in here. So I just, I really appreciate you taking the time. And I've been looking forward to this interview for a very long time. And then I, and then I thought it, I just thought it would never happen as, as busy as you are, so.

• 1:29Speaker 03

  I'm busy, but I'm, I'm glad I'm here. I think this is a, you got a huge bandwidth and American people need to know what's happening in this country right now.

• 1:38Shawn Ryan?

  Thank you, thank you. But, um, so I'd like to do a life story on you on the front half of the interview and kind of talk about your journey into becoming the borders czar and some of the events that you faced, you know, leading up to that. And then on the back half of the interview, I'd like to do all current event stuff, everything that's going on at the border, what it was like before, what it's like now, and then some of the, some of the measures that you guys are implementing down there and maybe up there too,

• 2:12Shawn Ryan?

  to, to keep us safe here at home and, uh, and take care of the issues at hand, which seem to be major issues, so looking forward to it.

• 2:22Speaker 03

  Let's do it.

• 2:23Shawn Ryan?

  But, uh, everybody starts off with an introduction here, so.

• 2:28Shawn Ryan?

  Tom Homan, borders are under President Trump's second administration appointed to oversee the nation's border security and interior enforcement operations. A law enforcement veteran with over four decades of experience, starting as a border patrol agent and rising to become one of the most influential officials in US immigration policy. Former acting director of US Immigration and Customs Enforcement, ICE, serving from January 2017 to June 2018, where you shaped some of the most talked about immigration policies of the Trump era. Your man of the year from, congratulations on that, from the National Police Defense

• 3:12Shawn Ryan?

  Foundation and Border Hero Award from America's Voice, I think those both came out last week? Yeah, last week. Congratulations, congratulations. And, um, yeah, you know, I waited to tell everybody that you were coming on just because of, you know, who you are and all the security and stuff. And it was funny, when I finally broke the news last week, for whatever reason, everybody that works for me started giving me their birth certificates and passports. So, I don't know what's going on, but, uh, they're pretty tuned in, so. Uh, but yeah, so a couple of other things real quick. Everybody gets a gift. I got you two gifts.

• 3:56Shawn Ryan?

  The famous gummies. Vigilance League gummy bears, made here in the USA, legal in all 50 states, it's just candy until RFK outlaws it. So, but, uh, and then another thing. Thank you. You're welcome. Found out you're a Catholic this morning, and, uh, so I want to give you one of those. One of my really good friends, Dom Razzo.

• 4:26Shawn Ryan?

  Sells these rosaries and uh my journey to faith is relatively new. I grew up Catholic. And uh I'm still

• 4:35Speaker 03

  Thank you very much.

• 4:36Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, you know, and I just, I think the Catholic religion just, there's one, there's one thing they get right for sure. It's protection. And uh with what you're facing right now, I'm sure you could use a little extra protection. So I, I carry one of those every single day.

• 4:50Speaker 03

  Carry one of these, carry one of these.

• 4:53Shawn Ryan?

  What is that?

• 4:55Speaker 03

  Samuel Michaels.

• 4:56Shawn Ryan?

  Love that. Love that. But, well, Tom?

• 5:01Speaker 03

  And the Virgin Mary on the backside.

• 5:03Shawn Ryan?

  Nice.

• 5:04Speaker 03

  Carry both, I'm covered both sides.

• 5:05Shawn Ryan?

  Nice, nice. Where'd you grow up?

• 5:10Speaker 03

  Small town called West Carthage, New York. Population about twenty-five hundred.

• 5:16Shawn Ryan?

  What were you into growing up?

• 5:18Speaker 03

  Pardon me?

• 5:18Shawn Ryan?

  What were you into growing up?

• 5:21Speaker 03

  Strong Catholic family. I mean, mom, dad, seven kids.

• 5:27Speaker 03

  Grew up in farm country. There's, there's two things you do in that little town. You either work on a farm or you work at Fort Drum, uh, an army, army base up by there. Uh, or you're a logger, cutting down trees. So it's a small community, very patriotic community. I talk about that a lot. I mean, walking through this village I grew up in, just about everybody had American flag on their front porch. It's like, I, I talk about my books, like being in Mayberry, everybody knew everybody, right? Um, my mom and dad, very strong Catholics and uh, uh, I think every mother in that village

• 6:06Speaker 03

  spanked me at one time or another. That's back in the day. The village, the village made who you were, you know, it takes a village to grow a kid and they, they, I, I give a lot of credit to the village I grew up in. And I'm serious. I think every mother in that village gave me a spanking one time or another, but that was okay back then. They just call your mom and say, I had to give Thomas spanking. But uh, very strict family. My dad was a judge, so you know, strict, strict upbringing. Uh, but uh, it was a very patriotic little town. We're only about six miles outside of Fort Drum. So it's, I grew up in the, in an era where police were highly respected and um, people loved their country. I mean, I literally, American flags everywhere.

• 6:50Speaker 03

  It was a great, a great childhood and it spooks me sometimes. I actually had such a great childhood, I'm afraid that I could not give my children the same childhood I had.

• 7:02Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 7:03Speaker 03

  Where you go, you wake up Saturday morning, ride your bike around the village, gathering up buddies to have a baseball game and you play baseball all day. But the mill whistle goes off at noon, you knew you had to go home at lunch, go back, play ball. Then at five o'clock, the mill whistle goes off again and means you gotta go home and have dinner, but it was a great childhood.

• 7:24Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, you don't, you don't hear too much of that anymore these days, you know, that's, that's very similar to where I grew up. But, um, do you have any brothers and sisters?

• 7:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, I guess there's five, there's seven of us.

• 7:37Shawn Ryan?

  Seven of you guys?

• 7:38Speaker 03

  I got one brother and five sisters.

• 7:41Shawn Ryan?

  Damn, very strong.

• 7:42Speaker 03

  The thing is my, what I'm proud about my family is just about everybody wanting to put, you know, some sort of public service, right? Our brother, career fireman, just retired a couple of years ago. All of my sisters but one were a nurse. So, you know, they all, they all felt a duty to go back and, and, and serve the communities in one way or the other. My dad, you know, he ended as a judge, but he was a cop before then. My grandfather was a cop. So I always knew, I already knew, I always knew I was gonna be some sort of cop. It's what I wanted forever. So I've lived my dream. I mean, I was fishing with my brother last year and

• 8:25Speaker 03

  he looked at me, made a comment, says, uh, you ever think about the ride you had? This before Trump won the election, I was coming back, said, what do you mean? He goes, you went from West Carthage to the West Wing. That's how old a ride. And it was, it shows, it shows what a great country this is.

• 8:43Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, yeah. How early did you know you wanted to get into law enforcement?

• 8:50Speaker 03

  Kindergarten, first grade. Kindergarten? I always knew this in this small town I grew up in, we had a police department. And next to West Carthage, it's called Carthage, bigger town, police department. Then my dad, I remember my dad coming home, wore the uniform and I knew he was out there protecting people. Uh, then we became a judge as when I was still a child. Middle of the night, state troopers knocking at the door, bringing somebody to get arraigned in the middle of the night. I, I was cops, sure all my cops all the time. So, uh, I knew I was gonna be a police officer. And I did become a police officer straight out of college before I joined the board patrol, but

• 9:31Speaker 03

  I knew, I had no doubt in my mind, there's one thing I wanted to do, and that's be a law enforcement officer.

• 9:39Speaker 03

  Why did you, where'd you become a police officer? West Carthage. West Carthage, you stayed at home? I served, just like my dad and grandfather, we served the local community. Again, the local community, you know, I grew up, they raised me, right? Matter of fact, when I became the ICE director under President Trump, I remember I was in the office first day, my public affairs officer, Barbara Gonzalez walks in. First day on the job, so okay, you got ABC, NBC, you got Fox News, you got Washington, uh, Washington Post, you got New York Times, she's trying to schedule all these first day interviews. I looked at her, says, Watertown Daily Times and WWNY TV. She looked at me, says, what are these?

• 10:24Speaker 03

  It's my hometown newspaper, hometown television station. She looked at me, she goes, Mr. Trump, with all due respect, you got nationally syndicated. I said, I don't care.

• 10:35Speaker 03

  My hometown gets first. They raised me, I owe them, they get the first interview. So, the next day, we got on the plane, through the Watertown, which is the biggest town where I grew up. I did Watertown Daily Times, I did WWNY TV. Oh, man, that is cool. That is awesome. I'll bet they appreciated that.

• 10:56Speaker 03

  They did, but I really love my hometown where I grew up. Matter of fact, I I recently bought a lake house up there. I'm gonna retire there someday. I was born there, I was raised there, went to college there, was a police officer there. I'm gonna die there someday.

• 11:13Shawn Ryan?

  Man, that is really cool. That is really cool. What what got you to switch from local law enforcement, Carthage, to Border Patrol?

• 11:26Speaker 03

  I was with a couple of police officers fishing up on the St. Lunch River, river that divides Canada and the United States. Great fishing. Uh, Alexander Bay fishing. Now, I saw Border Patrol around. Didn't quite know what they did. But while we're fishing, we're we come in the boat, we're at the dock, having a few beers. Uh, the Border Patrol boat come pulling in. We just start talking. You know, pretty soon he knew we're all cops and, you know, of course, he's wearing a uniform. He's Border Patrol agent. We start talking about our job, his job. And his job sounded really interesting. And he looked at me and says, we're giving the test in four weeks. War Town Post Office, y'all go on there and

• 12:10Speaker 03

  take it. So I did. Six months later, I get a phone call, go for interview. So my dream was, there's a Border Patrol station there on Wellesley Island, right on in the St. Lunch River in the shipping channel. Beautiful place. Well, if I get into the Border Patrol, I can come back up here and work at that Wellesley Island and be a Border Patrol agent, right where I grew up. So I got in the Border Patrol. But after a few years on the southwest border, there's so much action. You know, you eat it up. And I knew the northern border was pretty much vacation paradise. I just didn't, I never applied to go back up north because

• 12:52Speaker 03

  it was just, there was a lot of action on the southern borders. Saw a lot of terrible things, but also was very rewarding. Saved a lot of lives. So we, so I decided to stay on the southern border until I became a special agent.

• 13:04Shawn Ryan?

  What it, what is, what year is this?

• 13:08Speaker 03

  1984.

• 13:09Shawn Ryan?

  1984.

• 13:10Speaker 03

  This is when I joined the Border Patrol.

• 13:13Shawn Ryan?

  Wow. Lots of action going on there all the way back then.

• 13:17Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah. I mean, same day or sector?

• 13:21Speaker 03

  Fifteen hundred night just come through San Diego sector. They used to gather up on the soccer fields just east of Tijuana. Hundreds and hundreds would gather. Then when the sun went down, they just ran north. I mean, it's actually like a movie. You just grab what you could. I was in Campbell, a smaller station, but as a GS5 border patrol agent, I tried to get all the overtime I could get. So I go down and work the overtime on the weekends or whatever days I had off to work, you know, the soccer field or work the checkpoints. But illegal grace was, there's very few border patrol agents, so you're overwhelmed every night down there.

• 13:58Shawn Ryan?

  Damn. How long did you do that?

• 14:00Speaker 03

  Four years. Then I became a special agent, criminal investigator.

• 14:05Shawn Ryan?

  What is the difference between a border patrol agent and a special agent?

• 14:09Speaker 03

  It's like a police department. It gets you uniformed division on patrol. You got the special agent more the investigators. So you investigate, you know, conspiracies. You investigate alien smuggling and drug smuggling and, you know, trafficking, illicit trafficking of people and goods. So I left the uniformed division. The uniformed division became a criminal investigator, a special agent. So I went from Campbell, California. It was a small station. When I got to Campbell as a border patrol agent, I think I was like number thirty-four. Now it's got three hundred people there. So I went from there and I became a special agent in Phoenix, Arizona in nineteen eighty-eight.

• 14:46Shawn Ryan?

  What kind of stuff were you investigating?

• 14:49Speaker 03

  Mostly immigration related, alien smuggling. I was in, I spent most of my time in alien smuggling unit. So we're investigating, you know, criminal cartels who smuggle people and smuggle drugs. So that, I spent most of my career doing that. But, you know, you do immigration fraud, people selling fraudulent green cards and birth certificates and worksite enforcement. Worksite enforcement came around nineteen eighty-six, eighty-seven. Did a lot of worksite enforcement. You went to, you know, companies, large factories and arrested illegal aliens. But I spent most of my time in Phoenix in the anti-smuggling unit. So we're mostly working, you know, the smuggling group is coming from Mexico up to the United States. Mexico and South America.

• 15:31Shawn Ryan?

  Damn.

• 15:34Shawn Ryan?

  What are, you stayed there for quite a while, correct?

• 15:39Speaker 03

  Stayed at Phoenix for ten years. I climbed the ladder and I was an agent, became a supervisory special agent, then deputy ADDI, assistant district director for investigations. Then from there, I went to San Antonio and became the head of that office, the ADDI, which equals a SAC, special agent charge. They had different names back then. But yeah, I was actually the first ICE director who actually came up through the ranks. I started at the bottom run and got to the top. Didn't miss one run. So, I, of all my achievements, that's my most, that's my most proud achievement. I became ICE director through the ranks, from the bottom to the top.

• 16:20Speaker 03

  And what I like about that is the 20,000 men and women that worked for me. I never asked them to do anything that I didn't do myself because I was one of them. So, that's, I'm very proud of that.

• 16:34Shawn Ryan?

  Well, I know, I mean, just, you know, I got friends everywhere and I can just, you know, because of my background and your people have a tremendous amount of respect for you. And that's just really good to see. You don't, you don't see that, that amount of respect very often within, especially within government. And so, I just, I just want to applaud you for that. I mean-

• 17:03Speaker 03

  Well, look, I was one of them. And I think one of my life's lessons, my dad taught me is never forget where you came from. So, when I was ICE director, I don't care if you're GS5, you're an SES. I'd go on a cafeteria and eat with whoever. Gray didn't mean anything. And I never forgot where I came from. And actually, when I retired the first time, my message to the troops where I left was, I may be retiring from this position, but I'm always going to have your six. Because of men and women in the border patrol, men and women of ICE.

• 17:39Speaker 03

  What great American patriots they are. So, uh, and I'm, I'm back again. And again,

• 17:46Speaker 03

  don't forget where I come from. I don't let anybody carry my bag. I show up airport, everybody wants to be written on. The directors or the board is ours. Make sure we take care of them. I carry my own bag. I'm happy staying in Hampton Inn. I fly coach. I'm just a small town kid from Carthage, New York. So, uh, never forget where you came from. It's probably the biggest life lesson I've ever learned from my dad. My dad, who was a war hero himself,

• 18:14Speaker 03

  respected that man more than anybody in the world. Your dad was a war hero? World War II, 11th Airborne. Wow, wow. True story. So, he was a couple of Bronze Stars, Purple Hearts to, and, um,

• 18:31Speaker 03

  never knew it. Never knew it till he got really sick. He had to go to a sister living. Found all these medals. He didn't, he never want to talk about them. So, I built, I had him put in the shadow box. And, uh, when he was, when he, when he was doing his will, you know, all these kids, I, what are you on? What are you on? I just found one thing. I want the shadow box. Cause you never talked about it. And that's what I want. I got it. It's hanging in my office right now. And one day it was hanging in my office and I was life director and John Kelly, who was a secret, uh, secretary of homeland security came in that day.

• 19:12Speaker 03

  Right away keyed on that shadow box. He goes, they're not yours. No, so he walked up to him. He goes, I said, they're my dad. My dad never displayed them. My dad never talked about it. But I know they're pretty impressive, uh, to get, you know, Bronze Star in World War II. He says, yes, it was. He goes, you know, these all mean. I said, no, I never. So the picture, his, his photographer was with him. They took a picture of John Kelly's walking through each of these medals. I remember the one, there's a rifle with a leaf round. He goes, know what that means? Means your dad was in gunfire. I mean, but didn't hear it from a distance. He was involved and she walked me through all these things. And, uh, uh, he says, do you know how he earned these? I said, no. You still don't know? No, I don't. Wow.

• 19:56Speaker 03

  I read, I read a few things and when he came home from the war, there was a parade for him. So they talked about how he's wounded in, in New Guinea. Uh, The second time he got wounded, it was bad enough, they sent him home. But John Kelly offered me, he said, "Look, I'll find out for you. I'll, I'll, I'll, if for your permission, I can grab his records." But then he came back, said they were destroyed in a fire in Kansas, Kansas City or something. All his records were destroyed. Um, so he couldn't get his hands on them. So, my dad never talked about it.

• 20:27Shawn Ryan?

  Wow. Different generation, man.

• 20:30Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 20:31Shawn Ryan?

  Wow.

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• 21:34Shawn Ryan?

  What were...

• 21:37Shawn Ryan?

  But you've been involved in a lot of operations. What are some of the ones that stick out to you over your career?

• 21:46Speaker 03

  There's a couple of things I've been involved in. Probably created the Tom Homan you see today. Um, people always ask me, I get this question a lot. Why are you always angry?

• 22:02Speaker 03

  Why are you always mad? Not so much now, but the last four years. Right, because I wake up every day pissed off on the Biden administration. Because we handed that administration the most secure border in my lifetime. I've been doing this since 1984. And they unsecured it on purpose. And I knew when they unsecured it, more people would die. More women, children be sexually assaulted by the cartels. Not only would more illegal aliens die, but more Americans are going to die from drugs coming across the open border. I just woke up every day, can't believe they unsecured the border on purpose for four years, I'm pissed off. And there is lots of videos of me yelling at members of Congress.

• 22:45Speaker 03

  You know, and I was working for Fox News, you know, for the last few years. I lose my temper on Fox News sometimes because of what I've seen through my career. The thing that probably, when I first joined the border patrol, I wasn't a border patrol a month. And I'm on patrol near Tacate on a back row, on a forward drive sign cutting. And I see this guy walking down this dirt road. It was an illegal alien drunk. He just happened to get, he was living in Tacate and somehow got across the line just hanging out. And he's carrying something. How's he carrying it? Was it a baseball bat? What is it? So what, poor one? He was carrying a human leg.

• 23:25Shawn Ryan?

  He was carrying a human leg?

• 23:27Speaker 03

  A human leg that he found, it was just a bone that he found on his journey, wherever. So of course, no, I'm border patrol agent, so I'll take him to custody. But I remember he was very intoxicated. And called the local sheriff and they ran the investigation. But I was in a month. And I'm coming from upstate New York and all of a sudden to get put on the southern border and just see some of the things you saw. It was like, it was eye opening. Some, it wasn't rare to find a dead body of an illegal alien that was making a journey and died making that journey. Because the smugglers don't care. If you get sick, they're not calling 911. Because that alien means nothing to them now. He's not going to get paid to get him to the final destination. They just leave him there to die.

• 24:12Speaker 03

  I know, I can't tell you how many aliens we find near a death's door making that journey. And we actually were able to get them help and save them. But the thing that really, really affected me was two things. Number one, talking to a little girl about nine years old that was part of a smuggling group, who was raped multiple times by members of the criminal cartel.

• 24:40Speaker 03

  Nine years old? Yeah. And let me tell you something, as tough as a guy you wanna be, when you sit down, you get on your knees, you talk to this little girl, and everything innocent, pure, has been ripped from her.

• 25:00Speaker 03

  Where you can tell that she has no faith in humanity. I mean, this little girl's world was destroyed. She's never gonna be the same. I don't know how much counseling she gets, right? And I'm a father. And you think, you know,

• 25:17Speaker 03

  how could someone do that to such an innocent little girl? And it really changes who we are. I mean, it's just like, you know, I can't believe there's a human being out there that would do that to a little girl. The members of cartels are animals. They don't care about these people. These people are commodity. And there's been several instances where, you know, women and children that I've been involved with through an investigation who are sexist ultimately by the cartels is, you know, demanded as part of crossing them, either across the desert or over the river. Or just take it, just raping for the hell of it. I mean, I've seen rape trees, you know,

• 25:59Speaker 03

  where these smugglers would just hang panties up in a tree as a trophy. And the nine-year-old girl shook me.

• 26:11Speaker 03

  Because then you realize just how inhumane these people are.

• 26:16Speaker 03

  The thing that probably shaped me the most was back in, I think it's 2003. I was in Dallas, Texas,

• 26:25Speaker 03

  giving a speech to the International Association of Chiefs of Police, which just became ICE less than a year earlier. They took Customs and Immigration, made ICE. So I was there to explain this new agency and how we can work together and collaborate.

• 26:40Speaker 03

  I remember getting an emergency phone call from Washington DC. John Morton, who was the director at the time, but it was actually his deputy, was adultery. He called me and says, hey, you're in Dallas. You need to get down to Victoria, Texas right away. There's a tragedy down there and we want you to go down there and take over the investigation. Cause they knew, at the time was assigned headquarters. They knew I spent most of my career, as I said, in animal smuggling and trafficking cases. So they flew me down there in an air marine plane and I landed down at the crime scene. When I got there, the sheriff and I think it was a Texas Ranger walking through the crime scene. And the guy said, okay, it's yours. So I remember walking up to, there's a tractor trailer.

• 27:23Speaker 03

  Nineteen people baked to death in back that tractor trailer. Nineteen people? Baked to death, died. Baked? Baked. Heat is just, they're in a steel box, tractor trailer, steel box, black, no air, in the middle of summer. And so I get to the crime scene, I walk up to the crime scene, right away, there's a, just a trailer is there. The truck's gone, he unhooked it and he left, the driver. So I walk up to the crime scene and all I have is a suit, I'm in a suit, cause I was giving a speech. I left, I didn't get back to hotel and get my stuff, I went straight to the scene. So I get there and I walk up to this tractor trailer.

• 28:06Speaker 03

  Right away, I see several bodies on the ground. Because when those doors finally opened up, the people were such a rush to get air, that they knocked some dead bodies out of the truck onto the ground. So I noticed some dead bodies on the ground there. Then I got to the back of tractor trailer and I looked in the back of tractor trailer, I just see dead people. Most of them in their underwear, because they were trying to get some relief from the searing heat. And right away, so I looked, I keyed on little boy. And he was partially covered up by, who later found out was his father, who was protecting him. And I keyed in on him.

• 28:49Speaker 03

  And he was wearing the same color underwear that my little boy had, same underwear. And I had a five year old son at the time. So right away, I keyed in on him.

• 29:13Speaker 03

  So I took over the investigation. Just the terms Houston flew in and a helicopter came to the crime scene. But I was processing the crime scene. We had a guy taking pictures. And I was telling him, take all these pictures, what I needed. But I told him that we would do the boy last. And mainly because I couldn't handle it at the time. So we processed the crime scene. And I testified to this. I got angry when the testimony was someone claimed I didn't care about dying children. He should have worn my shoes. I've seen a lot of dying children, dead children in my career.

• 29:54Speaker 03

  So when we got to the child, I knelt down beside him. I put my hand on him. And I said a prayer. Because I knew based on the years I've done alien smuggling investigations, what a horrible, horrible death this child went through. He begged to death. And after we crime scene photos, we course the investigation. I'm there on the ground. They had to fly clothes in. Again, I came with clothes on my back. But through the investigation, we found out the little boy is the first one to die. And the witnesses there that survived said that little boy begged his father not to let him die. Little boy knew he was dying.

• 30:38Speaker 03

  Begged his father, please don't let me die. I want to see mom again. I want to see my mommy. And when you hear the testimony from the surviving witnesses, it just tore you up. How this child, no five year old should have to beg for his life. No five year old should be begging to death in a black box. They got 170, 175 degrees, they said. And...

• 31:05Speaker 03

  He was the first one to die and his father died on top of him because some of the witnesses were saying that some of the members of the of the of the group back there talked about tearing the boy apart and and put him out through the there's brake lights they busted out trying to get some air and there was there was some talk about maybe we put parts of the boy out there draw attention to our problem that never got fully vetted because some witnesses said didn't happen but his father did die on top of his child and it just hope you know hovering him you think about I just don't think about Rip this boy apart That was testimony from a couple of them people now a couple people said that wasn't

• 31:45Speaker 03

  true but there's a read the father was over the top of him like this um we asked why um anyway um jaw was first one to die then so many people were starting to die and there's so many people in back the tractor trailer they were dying standing up and trying to find a place to fall and like I said when we got the crime scene most of them in underwear trying to get some relief from the heat so through that investigation the first couple of weeks I'm listening to this testimony and I you just don't I just don't think about okay that child died I'm thinking about how he died what his last two hours was like what was his last hour like his father couldn't help me father got put him in that position

• 32:30Speaker 03

  begging his father help me father can't they're in a steel box locked in a steel box no air no air in there the the air compressor was turned off and information was was it was turned off because he wanted to draw attention to the truck because the trucks empty going through a checkpoint if air conditioning on that means you got something back there so there's a lot of testimony from a lot of different witnesses saying a lot of different things but the way that child died and and I didn't sleep for a week

• 33:03Speaker 03

  Down there. I'm a pretty tough guy, but that that affected me because I had a five year old son at the time. You started thinking about, why is my son lucky and that child wasn't? Why is my son born in the greatest nation on earth and this child wasn't? And so, and I've been honest about that. After we put all 14 of those people in jail, anybody involved, they're in prison. And we shut that investigation down pretty quick. Put a lot of people in prison. And after the investigation was done, I had to go get help. Because I couldn't sleep. Just the image of this little boy, how he suffered. And I had a son the same age. That affected me more than anything. Because I realized

• 33:48Speaker 03

  that didn't have to happen. If we had a secure border, that little child wouldn't have died. And that's why for the last four years, that's one of the reasons I wake up, everybody pissed off. I knew when they opened this border up, more kids are going to die, more women and children will get sexually assaulted, more Americans are going to die from fentanyl and other drugs coming across that border. Sex trafficking is going to increase tenfold. So I woke up every day for four years on Biden pissed off. I actually did. I woke up just mad that Joe Biden's the first president in history of this nation who came in office

• 34:29Speaker 03

  and unsecured a border on purpose. There wasn't mismanagement. I wasn't incompetent. He knew exactly what he was doing. I wrote an op ed, Foxnews.com about six months for the election. I said, if Joe Biden becomes president, we lose the border. Just based on what he was saying. Put a moratorium on deportation. Going to end ICE detention. I'm going to ward amnesty. I'm going to ward DACA. I'm going to give free healthcare to illegal aliens. You make that type of promise to the entire world, they're going to come to the greatest nation on earth. So I knew it was going to happen. And I knew every morning I woke up, and for four years, I go out and give speeches. And I tell people, I'd be seven, eight o'clock at night, have a great dinner banquet, and I give them the speech.

• 35:13Speaker 03

  And I told everybody in the room, great night, isn't it? Let me tell you about the border. Tonight, while we're sitting here eating this meal, women are being raped. As part of feet across that border and the child's gonna die tonight. Whether the hands of the cartel or drawn the river. I've been on the river and watched Boratrel agents give CPR to babies. Last year, I made a trip down to Brooks County. For a ride along. This before President Trump is back in office. Where's Brooks County? In Texas. Sheriff Benny Martinez. I sat in his office. He has like six deputies.

• 35:55Speaker 03

  He told me every deputy is doing immigration work 24/7. They're not even deputies. They're out there looking for dead bodies. At the time, he had over 100 dead bodies found in this county of aliens that died in Mexico and just died. So his troopers, I mean, his deputies were out there every day finding dead bodies. I was with him for four hours. We found two. Then. Talked to a doctor down there. Who told me this story. Now, I didn't see it. I've just told this story. Mother and father and a child, a 22-month-old little girl. From an African nation was crossing the border. Coming across the river. Smugglers.

• 36:39Speaker 03

  The animals they are. They bring them across on a boat. Boratrel starts approaching them. So what the smugglers do? They throw their family in the water. Can't swim. Cause they know Boratrel's gonna go rescue this family and they can get away. So. Boratrel running, rescued them. They thought they rescued them, but the little girl later died at the hospital. And the doctor shared with me. That. Oh, man. The little girl to her postmortem was assaulted. In every little opening of her body. As required by one of the six.

• 37:24Speaker 03

  Cartel members.

• 37:29Speaker 03

  All these things I see and hear about. I, I know, that story came to me, I didn't see it, but that story came to me. But it doesn't surprise me. Cause the, cause the stuff, nine year old girl I talked about. The tractor trailer, the guy, the driver that tractor trailer knew these people couldn't breathe. They knew there weren't water back there. And what did he do? He just, he just unhooked the trailer and left, cause they were dying. And through testimony, he was calling the smuggler, complaining they were tearing his truck apart because they tore the lights out to try to get air in there. These people are ruthless. So over four years, I wake up pissed off, cause I knew this stuff was going far up again. At, at a record pace, and it did.

• 38:12Speaker 03

  Look at the numbers, like 4,000 aliens have died making the journey on Joe Biden. Quarter million, quarter million Americans died from fentanyl coming across open border under Biden. Sex trafficking of women and children skyrocketed. Number of people on the terrorist watch list. Record historic numbers came across that border. They rest at 400 of them. You got 2.2 million gotaways, how many of them came from a country sponsoring terror? How many of them were sex trafficking women and children? How many of them were carrying fentanyl? So over four years, I was, I was waking up every day pissed off.

• 38:47Shawn Ryan?

  Damn. Did you say 22 months?

• 38:51Speaker 03

  Twenty two months old.

• 38:57Shawn Ryan?

  And this is pretty common.

• 39:01Speaker 03

  Ones too many. But it didn't surprise you a bit, it turned your stomach. I mean, this, this, this, this other doctor we've had down there, he has, he has a big old ranch, he finds dead bodies all the time. He found a, a, a young female. That was, left her body, her panties were down her ankles. Her ankles, her ankles, her ankle was broken. What he says he's seen before is, after the young girl got raped, they break her ankles so she can't go seek help. She dies there.

• 39:41Speaker 03

  He had a picture of a twelve year old little boy. They went over a fence at his property. This little boy obviously didn't make it. He died right there at the fence line. He's kind of crawled up next to fence. I mean, I've seen a lot of death, but I've also talked to a lot of people who took pictures of dead bodies on the property. Um, you know, I've done, uh, alien smuggling investigations for a long time. I've heard so much testimony from people that victimized. I mean, Operation, you know, Ice Storm, Phoenix, Arizona. After I finished that Victoria Operation with fourteen dead aliens, then they sent me to Phoenix, Arizona, to run Operation Ice Storm. Where you got smuggling groups ripping each other off. Cause when you get a load of twenty-five people, they're worth a lot of money.

• 40:25Speaker 03

  So you have alien smuggling groups doing rips of each other. They find out where the lighthouse is, they go armed, they take this group. There was, there was a shootout on the highway down there because one group stole another group's load of people. Bodies are piling up, Maricopa County. Aliens couldn't pay their smuggling fees, they torch them. They call relatives up. And say, yo, it's ten thousand dollars. Well, no, we made, we said it was five thousand. Well, now it's ten.

• 40:52Speaker 03

  Either pay it or we'll kill them. And they would. Those relatives, they call up on the phone, they torture the guy where a relative listened.

• 41:00Shawn Ryan?

  Geez.

• 41:02Speaker 03

  One brave lady came, she actually contacted ICE and said, they're holding, I think it was her brother. Demanding all this money. I can't afford to pay him. They're gonna say they're gonna kill him. Luckily, we did what we do with phones. They were able to go to that place and that guy was hogtied. Uh, hands and feet behind him with duct tape. His whole head and face were duct taped, except for whole poked in a small so he can breathe.

• 41:26Speaker 03

  That's the way we found him.

• 41:29Speaker 03

  So these cartels are ruthless. So for four years, I woke up, I knew that, I knew that this was gonna happen every day now. And because this administration chose to open that border up.

• 41:40Shawn Ryan?

  Why do you think they opened the border up?

• 41:42Speaker 03

  I get asked that all the time. You know, I think, I think there's some people that thought, just don't believe in borders. They think we should have open borders, but I actually think they saw future political benefit.

• 41:55Speaker 03

  Obviously.

• 41:56Speaker 00

  Uh huh.

• 41:56Speaker 03

  Um.

• 41:59Speaker 03

  Cause when they, when President Biden signed over in ninety's economic orders destroying everything that President Trump did in Trump forty-five, he also overturned the Trump census rule. Which means the millions of people they released in United States, they'll be counted in the next census, most of them in sanctuary cities, which means what? When they proportionate seats in the House, means more seats in the House with the Dems. And also they think they're future Democratic voters.

• 42:25Speaker 03

  Because here's, here's, here's the long game they're playing, no one talks about this, here's the long game they're playing, they're, they're playing the long game, they're smart at it. Overwhelm the system. Let's bring ten point five million encounters to the border. Release them. Without proper vetting. Because all they care about is the optics. If there's no overcrowding, there's nothing to see. If there's no overcrowding, we can say the border's secure. Which they did. Border patrol agents were ordered. Process quickly, release quickly. Because if there's no overcrowding, there's nothing to see here. So of course they weren't vetted properly. Didn't have time to vet them properly. Why did they release millions of people into the United States rather than put, putting

• 43:10Speaker 03

  them in an empty ice bed? An ice bed owned by ICE, contracted by ICE, at a hundred and twenty-seven dollars a night? Why did they not fill that bed? But they'd rather release them to an NGO? Get put in a hotel room at five hundred bucks a night? Get three free meals a day, get free medical care? And get, not only that, they get flown to the city, their choice. They say where they want to go, we flew them there. Biden administration. Put them in a hotel room, five hundred bucks a night, give them three meals a day, free medical care.

• 43:46Speaker 03

  Why did they do that? Instead of putting them in the ICE facility at $127 a night? Because they knew exactly what they're doing. They know if they go into ICE detention, they get a hearing within 40 days. Based on real data from immigration court, nearly nine out of 10 people who claim asylum will get ordered to remove because they don't qualify for asylum. They get removed. That's not what they wanted. Overwhelmed the system. Because once you're out of the system, you got the detained docket. Immigration court prioritizes the detained docket. But once you release them, now they're on the non-detained docket, sitting in a hotel room. Hearing's going to take three, five, seven years. Depending on what location you're on. If you, if you want to exhaust all your appeals, maybe nine years.

• 44:31Speaker 03

  They overwhelmed the system because they knew it's going to take years to get these people through the process. And what happens then? They're hoping for a democratic administration. Now you can warrant amnesty. They're playing the long game. They overwhelmed the system on purpose. They did not detain them on purpose.

• 44:47Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, not only that, I mean, I don't know how true this is. I don't really believe anything in the media these days, but I mean, I read something maybe a year ago or so about this BCP one. I think it's called the BCP one app where they could go on, claim asylum, and then the USG will send a plane down to get them and fly them into the countries. Is that true? Was that happening?

• 45:13Speaker 03

  What the Biden administration did towards the end, they knew that immigration was a big issue in the election, right? So they tried to claim that border numbers are way down. Boy, did we fix this problem. It's down 70%. No, it wasn't. They created two programs out of thin air. Call them legal pathways. They weren't legal pathways. The border numbers didn't really go down. They went down maybe 17%. If you count all the programs they created. What they did was, okay, we got millions of people coming across the border illegally. So let's create the CBP one app. That same illegal alien population can simply go to an app, make an appointment, come to a port of entry. They won't call that illegal entry now. Same population of the illegal, they're just bringing them through the port of entry. Well, this is a legal pathway.

• 45:56Speaker 03

  Thousands of people come to the port of entry. Then they created the CHNB. Cuba, Haiti, Nicaragua, Venezuela. If you're from those four countries, we're going to fly you straight into our airports. You don't even have to go to the border. We'll fly you straight into our major airports in the United States. Thirty thousand a month of those.

• 46:15Shawn Ryan?

  Thirty thousand a month? Is this the shit that I saw at the air- I would s- I would be at the airport, you know, traveling, going wherever, and I would see these people get rushed up to the front of the line. And there are always some type of- that's what that was?

• 46:28Speaker 03

  Most likely. So they created a CHNV, they created a CBP One app, bringing thousands of people of what they call legal pathways. So if you add what they did through the CHNV and the CBP One app, plus what the border tolls still catching, the border numbers didn't go on that much.

• 46:47Speaker 03

  They lied to the American people. They kept saying the border's secure, look at the numbers down. You just created two buckets that you call legal pathways, the border numbers aren't down. So they lied to American people. They lied about the secure border. They lied that it's gonna take congressional action to fix the border. It only took a new president.

• 47:06Speaker 03

  And so, again, I wake up every day at four years pissed off.

• 47:12Speaker 03

  I think I- I think the first morning I woke up not pissed off was the- the night- the morning after election. So I was- I was in Florida, down at the event. And, uh,

• 47:25Speaker 03

  Mar-a-Lago, when the- when the- when the election came in. And that next morning I woke up and I said, alright, things are about to change. Lives are about to be changed, uh, saved. So that- that's probably the first day I woke up, knowing that things are gonna change. But for four years, I just- I knew, cause all my time I spent on that border, I knew what was happening every night. I knew when I laid my head in that pillow every night, a child is gonna die. Women are being raped.

• 47:54Speaker 03

  Cartels are moving record amounts of drugs in this country.

• 47:58Speaker 03

  Sex trafficking is gonna skyrocket, and it did. Every night, I- I laid there and knew what was happening.

• 48:05Speaker 03

  Maybe it's, you know, all the years I spent down there, I take that personal. Because of the tragedies I've seen, I don't want to see that stuff ever happen again.

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• 48:45Shawn Ryan?

  Damn. How did you get approached to take borders, R?

• 48:53Speaker 03

  Let me go, the first time I worked with President Trump. True story.

• 49:00Speaker 03

  I was the Attorney in Command Ice, Executive Associate Director for ERO, Enforced Mobile Operations. And the time I spent there, we removed, I don't know,

• 49:12Speaker 03

  over a million illegal aliens. And I was there in that position for three years.

• 49:18Speaker 03

  But after eight years of Barack Obama, it was Hillary Clinton versus President Trump. I was convinced Hillary was going to win. Convinced. I think most Americans were, because she was so far behind the polls. So before the election announcement of retirement, so I had it. After eight years of Obama, I'm not spending four years with Clinton. I'm not going to do it. So I got, I signed a contract with this company that paid me three times as much as I made for Ice Drag, you know, Ice Guy. So I signed a contract to announce my retirement. I gave them 120 days. I will leave in January, right after, you know, the inauguration.

• 49:57Speaker 03

  Well, my retirement party, anyway, back up. So the election happened. So next morning I wake up, I remember my wife saying, Trump won. Right. Now what are you gonna do? Well, I already announced my retirement, I already signed this contract. So I said, I gotta go. I already got this thing lined up. So at my retirement party, a lot of people show up. Saddest day of my life, January 2017. Cause after over three decades doing the job, I was, that was, that was my last day. And when you carry a badge and gun, you do this job for so long, it becomes a big part of who you are. And I knew that day I was gonna leave that building. And I'm Tom, homeless civilian for the first time in 34 years.

• 50:41Speaker 03

  So at the end of this, at the end of the retirement ceremony, I was shaking hands with my wife and I get, he got emergency phone call. John Kelly, who was assistant, uh, was the Secretary of Homeland Security. So I took the phone call, John Kelly, and he says, Tom, I know this is bad timing. But the president, the president, like your president, like you're staying right in the agency, which is gonna be a two-step promotion. I said, sir, it's bad timing, I just retired. He goes, no, you didn't. Paperwork's on my desk, hasn't been signed. So I said, well, sir, all due respect, my family's been through an awful lot. Multiple moves, death threats, protests on my home.

• 51:24Speaker 03

  I says, I gotta talk to my family about this. Plus, I signed a contract with this company, I don't know what my legal obligations are on that. This is a Friday. I said, can I have till Monday? To think about this. He goes, certainly. I remember what he said before I hung up, because let me leave you with this thought, Tom. And I remember this word for it. He goes, Tom, the President of the United States is asking you, a career law enforcement officer, to serve the country a little bit longer. He needs your help, Tom. I'll call you Monday, 0600.

• 51:59Speaker 03

  So on the way home, my wife asked me about this phone call about, I told her. She looks at me and she goes, "Hell, no, not doing it. We've been through too much." I said, "But it's President of the United States." She said, "I don't care. Been through too much." So after a weekend of fighting, Sunday night, we were laying in bed, and she asked, "What are you gonna do?" I said, "What do you think I'm going to do?" She goes, "You're gonna do that, aren't you?" I said, "Of course." President of the United States. She asked me to help, I won't stay. And she, you know, I got a lover, she said, "Okay, I'll support you on it." So the next day, he called me up and said, "What say you?" I said, "Let's do it." So the next day, I show up at the ICE office to the amazement of hundreds of people who gave me great gifts Friday, thought I was leaving.

• 52:44Speaker 03

  And the first people I ran into in my office were ethics attorneys who had a list of all the gifts I got. Said, "You gotta return all these gifts, because these are all your employees now again." I'm ready to send, "There's a $500 gift certificate your wife got. Need that back." I said, "Look, guys, she's already pissed." I said, "Let me write you a check for the $500. I'm not gonna ask for it back." So they took all the gifts back, which is cool. The next day, I'm on Air Force One, the President. It's the first time I've ever met the man. Wow. It's March, I asked him, "What's my March order?" He says, "Do your job that you haven't been able to do for the last four years? Now he wants you to do it. Go enforce law." So fast forward a second time. I'm actually out to dinner with my wife.

• 53:26Speaker 03

  And my cellphone's sitting on the table, and we're eating. And all of a sudden, the phone goes off. And she called it right away, it's POTUS. Came up, no ID. She goes, "Oh, my God." She goes, "What's he want?" So I excuse myself, went outside, and President Trump. He made it, you know, he's...

• 53:53Speaker 03

  He asked me to come back.

• 53:56Speaker 03

  But done. Back fast? Done. I woke up four years pissed off. He might say, you've been, you've been bitching about it for four years. Want to come back, fix it? He's damn right I do. So I took it, came back and sat down and I says, did you? Yeah. She goes, good.

• 54:17Speaker 03

  Cause you've been pissed off every day. If you don't go back, you're gonna be pissed off next four years. You're gonna go back and fix it. So. And God bless us. Hell of a pay cut, but uh.

• 54:29Speaker 03

  I wake up every day like a kid in the candy store, cause. I think President Trump's the greatest president in my lifetime. As a border guy and immigration guy. His, his Trump forty-five unprecedented success, the most secure border we've ever had in my lifetime. Now, the number's even better. As we're talking right now, we got the most secure border in the history of this nation. President Trump did in seven weeks what Joe Biden couldn't and wouldn't do in four years. Wow. And I got a great team I work with every day, you know. I know you mentioned earlier, I got the man of the year award and border hero award, but you need to know I have both of those acceptance. I, I accept it in the honor of President Trump. He should be the man of the year.

• 55:13Speaker 03

  Cause without him, we couldn't be doing what we're doing right now on the border. And I also took it in honor of the men and women of the border patrol and ICE, who strap a gun to their hip every day, defend that border. Hang out, the rest of the worst of the worst. I'm just a guy at the White House coming up with strategies and policies and, and, and putting out the way I think things should be done. It's the men and women carrying the badge and gun who deserve that award. So I took it in their honor. And President Trump, I mean, again, the game changer. I worked with a team, you know, Steve Miller, the architect, and Steve Miller's probably the most brilliant man I've ever met. Like I'm a loving the guy, smarter than hell.

• 55:53Speaker 03

  I worked with a team and they look at, look at, look at the President Trump brought in, cause there's all of government on the border, all of government. We got DOD, we got DOJ, right? You got, you got Pete Hexeth, you got Pam Bondi, you got Cash Patel.

• 56:09Speaker 03

  You got Secretary Noem.

• 56:12Speaker 03

  You bring that weight onto this issue and that's why the success is the way it is. Cause you got one hell of a team. That's the dream team.

• 56:21Shawn Ryan?

  Man, you guys locked it down quick from my understanding.

• 56:24Speaker 03

  And interior arrest, you know, we've arrested about three times more criminals in a few months than Joe Biden did in a year. But people always ask me if I'm happy with the numbers. I'm not happy. I'm happy that we got more, a hell of a lot more than Biden did. But we need to get much more, a lot more. Cause we know it's like 700,000 illegal aliens with criminal convictions or criminal charges walking the streets of this country. We gotta get them. So we got a lot more work to do. Doing good, but it's not good enough yet.

• 56:52Shawn Ryan?

  We'll get into all that. I want to get, I want to talk about some of the stuff that has been coming through the border and how that happens. And the motivation behind it and all the stuff that the cartels are in and then, which is more of your, I think it's more of your previous life. When you were, when you were a special agent. I mean, so when you talk about these little girls getting raped coming across and, and little boys dying. And they're getting locked in these, these conax boxes with no air and 100 degree plus weather. I mean, where does this all initiate from? And what countries are using cartels to funnel them in?

• 57:36Speaker 03

  Border patrol people under Joe Biden arrested people from 180 different countries.

• 57:42Speaker 03

  That's almost every country in the world. The whole world came to this country because they knew you could cross the border, get released within 24 hours. Get a free plane ride to the city of your choice. Get a free hotel room. Free meals a day, free medical care.

• 58:01Speaker 03

  Actually, I think it was 181 different countries.

• 58:04Shawn Ryan?

  Are the cartels facilitating all of this?

• 58:07Speaker 03

  Oh, absolutely. Criminal cartels like the, you know, Eliseco cartel is a new generation. Some of these cartels are in 45 countries around the world.

• 58:15Shawn Ryan?

  They're in 45 countries?

• 58:17Speaker 03

  Some of these, some of these criminal cartels, absolutely. Uh, so, you know, like the Chinese. Record number of Chinese came across. There's no way tens of thousands of Chinese nationals left China and got to the United States without the coordination.

• 58:38Speaker 03

  Of a Chinese government. It doesn't happen. Chinese organized crime.

• 58:42Speaker 03

  Same with Venezuela, but when, once you get to, you know, Mexico, the criminal cartels, they have operations, they had operational control of the southern border. No one's crossing the southern border of the United States without playing, uh, uh, paying the criminal cartels a Plaza fees at a minimum. Because you, you, you go through their area of operation, you either pay their fees or they'll kill you. So they had operational control of the southern border. Matter of fact, under Biden, I talked to numerous border patrol chiefs, who would tell you that we no longer have operational control of the southern border, criminal cartels do. They decide what's coming across, when it's coming across, where it's coming across. I thought the one chief patrol agent who used to turn me broken arrow. I

• 59:25Speaker 03

  said, dude, that's pretty, that's over the top. He goes, no, it isn't. I'm maybe catching 10% what's coming across that border. He goes, I am overwhelmed. Groups are coming across every day that I can't go. The 2.2 million gotaways under Joe Biden, 2.2 million known gotaways. These are people captured on video, drone traffic, sensor traffic, or through foot traffic that border patrol counted that they couldn't respond to because they're too busy changing diapers, making baby formula, making hospital runs, making airport runs, dealing with that humanitarian crisis. 2.2 that we know about. Now, there's areas of

• 1:00:03Speaker 03

  the border like Big Ben Sector, very mountainous region, you could, 500 people go to that area a day, you wouldn't even know about it because we didn't have the technology there. But 2.2 million people crossed our southern border, weren't apprehended because border patrol was so busy dealing with the humanitarian crisis. Who are they? Now, I mentioned earlier, they arrested 400 people on, on the no-fly list, terrorists, watch those came across the border. You and I both know terrorists are trained to evade law enforcement.

• 1:00:37Speaker 03

  So who are these 2.2? Why did 2.2 million people pay more to get away? Because we already talked about, you pay two amounts of money to the cartel, you pay one amount of money to get to the border. You see a green uniform, turn yourself in, claim asylum, cartel's job ends at the border. But if you want to get away, if you want to get to New York without being processed, or vetted, or fingerprinted, you pay a lot more. So why did 2.2 million people pay more not to get a free airline ticket? Not to get a free hotel room, not to get free meals, not to get free medical care, and not to get work authorization? Why did 2.2 million people pay more not to take advantage of that giveaway program? Because they don't want to be vetted, they don't want to be fingerprinted.

• 1:01:23Speaker 03

  That scares the hell out of me. It scares the hell out of everybody.

• 1:01:28Shawn Ryan?

  2.2 million?

• 1:01:29Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:01:31Shawn Ryan?

  How does it work? How does it work?

• 1:01:35Shawn Ryan?

  If China's trying to get people smuggled into the country, I mean, or Al Qaeda, or Taliban, or Al Shabab?

• 1:01:47Speaker 03

  There's a lot, there's a, there's so many smuggling routes, we can't cover them all, right? So you

• 1:01:52Shawn Ryan?

  I guess what I'm asking is, how do they get in touch with the cartels?

• 1:01:55Speaker 03

  Cartels are, they got, they got

• 1:02:01Speaker 03

  their, their, their tentacles reach into many major nations. It's like in Mexi, if, you know, Chinese, they deal in Chinese organized crime, who has connections to criminal cartels in Mexico or Central America.

• 1:02:16Speaker 03

  There's so many routes, you know, there, there, some routes come through Canada. Not, not many, but there are a few that come through Canada. Most come through the southern border, because you got over 2,000 border there, you know, you just can't control it all. Some come up through the Darien Gap, some fly into Mexican, uh, uh, Mexico City, the airport. Depending, you know, a lot of Chinese fly straight into Mexico. It depends where you're coming from, what cartel you're dealing with, there's, there's so many different routes.

• 1:02:43Speaker 03

  Colombia, I mean, there's, there's, um, South America.

• 1:02:50Speaker 03

  Some make a maritime trip to South America, come up through the Darien Gap. Some fly straight into Mexico. It's just, there's just so many routes and that's one of the toughest job of securing a border. It's, it's, it's better almost play the away game, attack the cartels down south rather than to get to the border. And we, we've done that very well. I mean, Darien Gap, thousands of people crossed the Darien Gap.

• 1:03:12Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:13Speaker 03

  The Biden administration said they're going to shut it down. They never did.

• 1:03:17Shawn Ryan?

  Is it shutting down now?

• 1:03:20Speaker 03

  It's not shut down with the traffic going south. Traffic in Darien, Darien Gap is, is southbound now.

• 1:03:28Shawn Ryan?

  So, human smuggling is a major financial component to the cartels?

• 1:03:32Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah. That's why, that's why, that's why I saw the cartels in Mexico the last few years. Now, there's a bad one on Mexico. Cartels are fighting with another. Because they made record amounts of money, not only drug smuggling, but trafficking on women and children, you know, for forced labor or sex trafficking, smuggling of aliens. They're making more money than they've ever made. So, cartels are fighting each other for control of the plaza. Who owns this plaza trying, because there's so much money being made. And that's one of the things, you know, I said from the beginning that President Trump will end up wiping the cartels off the face of the earth. And that's why I think he designated them terrorist organizations. Because they've killed more Americans than every terrorist organization in the world combined.

• 1:04:16Shawn Ryan?

  Uh huh.

• 1:04:16Speaker 03

  Through the drugs and, you know, what the cartels have done. So, now that we designated terrorist organizations and now that we shut down the pipeline at a 96% rate, we're hitting them where it hurts in the pocketbook. I think, I hope I'm wrong, but I think you'll see the violence escalate in some of the borders. They should not going, go away. They're, they're going to try to get their product through.

• 1:04:42Shawn Ryan?

  Uh huh.

• 1:04:42Speaker 03

  And now we got DOD on the border along with border patrol agents. It's, I feel it's a matter of time before there's an armed encounter of some kind.

• 1:04:50Shawn Ryan?

  How are they, how are they, how does the sex trafficking work? That's, that's just a big topic that is.

• 1:04:58Speaker 03

  That's what I go to sleep thinking about all the time and I've covered it several times on the show. A lot of it, you know, you pay your smuggling fee, you owe the smuggling group, let's say you owe them ten thousand dollars. You don't have the money, okay, well, you work for us and you get northbound. There's, there's various ways to do it, that's, this is one of the ways. So you get northbound, okay, you all, here's what you're gonna do and pay us back. Or you're not going to do it, okay, well, we know where your family is, we'll kill your family. We'll kill you. So a lot more forced in this, the sex slavery.

• 1:05:31Speaker 03

  Of course, children are just sold into it, they don't have a choice. Here in the States? Absolutely. Absolutely. What does that look like? ISIS has already found children working in, in, in, on ranches and, uh,

• 1:05:46Speaker 03

  in factories, um, enforced labor. I mean, um,

• 1:05:53Speaker 03

  we're, we're attacking trafficking really hard. The sad thing is that we're one of the biggest customers of it in the United States. Yeah. Either sex trafficking or, or forced labor trafficking. And some of the forced labor trafficking, they're never gonna pay the fee off. When I was, uh, I was head of the office in Dallas, uh, some of the Asian massage parlors that we investigate had, you know, their passports were being kept from these women, they couldn't leave, they were locked in the facility. Forced in the prostitution and pay off smuggling fees, which they'll never pay off.

• 1:06:26Speaker 03

  So, it's a lot, a lot of this, the, the trafficking, forced labor and sex trafficking, the, the alien doesn't even know what they're getting into.

• 1:06:37Speaker 03

  And to get here. They're forced into it, pay off the cartels. And it's, and, and, and like I say, these cartels are ruthless, they know where your family is.

• 1:06:47Speaker 03

  They'll threaten your family.

• 1:06:53Speaker 03

  One of the most despicable things about losing control of the borders is the trafficking issue. Under Joe Biden, estimated half a million children were trafficking in this country, smuggling in this country. They released the so-called sponsors. Sometimes it's family, many times it's not. Again, go back. Secretary of HHS Basara, I saw him give a speech on stage, how quick they're releasing these people. We're releasing these people quickly. Of course you are. Because all you care is about the optics, and no recording, not a problem here. But they released them so quickly, proper vetting wasn't done.

• 1:07:37Speaker 03

  So, you heard the media reports, like 300,000 children that the Biden administration couldn't account for. They called them for check-ins, weren't there. When they tried to contact them, couldn't contact them. So, Trump administration, we are actively looking to try to find these kids. We've already found some, but already found some in forced labor. And, well, it's difficult. Of all things, when President Trump pardoned me, says, "I want to secure the border, run a deportation operation, and find these kids." Border's pretty secure right now. Most secure we ever had. Numbers are doing pretty good on deportation, but again, I'd do more, a lot more. The kids are the toughest part, because you're trying to find children, and it's difficult

• 1:08:22Speaker 03

  to find children, because you and I, we have a footprint. We have a digital footprint. You own a home, you own a car, you got pay bills, you got a credit card. We can find you. We can find me. Kids don't have a digital footprint. So, we got to count on a digital footprint, whatever sponsor they released them to. And through the whistleblowers, HHS, many sponsors weren't fingerprinted, identification wasn't verified, they didn't do DNA testing. So, now we got to try to find kids who released to sponsors that don't want to be found.

• 1:08:53Speaker 03

  Some of these sponsors have already sold the kid off somebody else. So this is the most, uh, three things, three rails that I'm involved in. This is the most difficult one.

• 1:09:02Shawn Ryan?

  How does it work? How do, how are they selling kids? What's that marketplace? Where is it? Is it online?

• 1:09:10Speaker 03

  You gotta be part of the inner circle, but a lot of this through the dark web. A lot of this through the internet. I mean, they even, you know, not only for trafficking. You get job driving a load of alien or aliens from the border on the internet. They're using all sorts of, they're using apps to do that. Whether it's Instagram or many of these during the Biden administration, they're hiring college kids, high school kids to drive loads. Through an app, social media. Uh, social media is a big tool used in all of this.

• 1:09:43Shawn Ryan?

  Are the end, are Americans the end consumer of this?

• 1:09:47Speaker 03

  Many times. Like we, we've done investigations where, you know,

• 1:09:53Speaker 03

  illegal alien population.

• 1:09:57Speaker 03

  Sometimes are, are the customers, but a lot of it's Americans. And it's sad that this country is, is a customer for that type of activity.

• 1:10:07Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:08Speaker 03

  I remember when I was, um, 20 years ago, I was teaching a human trafficking course at the FBI academy over in Budapest. Teaching the Eastern European countries, you know, how to look at human trafficking. So I'm giving this course and, and, and one of the members in the audience, a border guard. Because there's like several languages being spoken. We had interpreters in there. He raised his hand, asked me a question. And the street story, he says, well, how come you're here teaching about human trafficking? When the United States is the biggest consumer of it? If you weren't the biggest consumer, you wouldn't need to be here training us.

• 1:10:58Shawn Ryan?

  Tom, let's take a quick break. Come back, I want to get into some terrorism stuff.

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• 1:12:15Shawn Ryan?

  All right, Tom, we're back from the break. We just kind of covered human trafficking. I wanted to, you know, a big topic that we cover here is terrorism. And just from my former background, and we've had former CIA targeter Sarah Adams come on here to talk a lot about who's here. She says there's at least 1,000 different terrorists that have infiltrated the border. I was just wondering, what kind of insight do you have on that?

• 1:12:45Speaker 03

  Well, we really don't know. I mean, the television community has one number. Again, I go back to over two main gotaways on the Joe Biden. Two million people crossed the border and weren't vetted, weren't fingerprinted. And like I said earlier, criminal cartels in Mexico control the border. You don't cross the border without paying them off or working through them. So why did two million people pay more to get away? That's care of the hell out of me. If you look at the numbers, you know, under, under Trump, forty-five, I think we arrested in four years, arrested a total of thirteen people on terrorist watch, was thirteen.

• 1:13:28Speaker 03

  My administration, they're getting more than thirteen a day, some days. So, you know, on top of the old, you know, terrorist organizations. But now, you know, as you know, President Trump just declared, you know, MS-13 and TDA turned to Iowa, Venezuela terrorist organizations. And I pushed for the criminal cartels to be designated terrorists. Again, wasn't my decision, but I've been talking about this for years. President Trump did it. I think it's the right thing to do. A lot of people say, well, how do you, how do you consider them terrorists? MS-13 and turned to Iowa and the criminal cartels in Mexico? Because they've killed more Americans than any terrorist organization I know.

• 1:14:10Shawn Ryan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:14:11Speaker 03

  By the thousands. Not only that, you know, the, these cartels in Mexico, they've killed thousands of journalists, prosecutors, judges. I mean, they run Mexico. Anybody thinks anything different, you just, you're wrong. Criminal cartels in Mexico control that country. They, they, they did have operational control of that border and we took it away from them.

• 1:14:33Shawn Ryan?

  Do you have any, do you have insight into the motivations that are happening, not just with cartel terrorism, but more traditional terrorism, like stuff coming out of, you know, Al Qaeda, ISIS, Taliban, all of these different, Al-Shabaab, all these different, you know, I don't know what to call them. Would you say more traditional type terrorists?

• 1:14:58Speaker 03

  They want to destroy this country. I mean, I'm not, I'm not a terrorism expert, but I, I read enough intelligence reports. We know they're here. Um, I said for a long time, now, it doesn't matter when, I think it's if. That's my opinion. I think a lot of people agree with me.

• 1:15:19Speaker 03

  Two million gotaways.

• 1:15:23Speaker 03

  If we arrested 400 trying to get in, no one's going to convince me that not a single one of those two million gotaways didn't come here to us harm. Uh huh. We were already, I mean, uh, we already shut down, what's it, eight from Tajikistan not too long ago that were planning an inside attack. Luckily, the intelligence community got some chatter on that. We were able to shut it down.

• 1:15:45Speaker 03

  We got a lot of unanswered questions from Biden administration. How about the two that entered through Chronicle Marine Base? That has never been fully, you know, uh, opened up to the American people what exactly that was. Don't hear anything about it. I'm looking into it now, but do I think there's terrorists that crossed during the Biden administration that's in this country right now? Absolutely. I'd be a fool to say I didn't think so.

• 1:16:10Speaker 03

  Do you know how they're setting up at all? I do not. Within the country? I do not know. I can just tell you, when it comes to Chinese, record amounts of Chinese nationals across the border.

• 1:16:22Speaker 03

  I've been around since 1984. These numbers exploded under Biden. And I know there's no way tens of thousands of Chinese nationals came from China to the United States. No way they came here without the cooperation of the Chinese government. Chinese organized crime just don't happen. Well, I think we all agree to that. And, and what scares me more is why are they, why are they here? That scares me. We know they're already setting up, you know, places outside of military bases. We, we get, we're going to have this by blown. Corporate espionage. I mean, I- And, and the vast majority, it wasn't like family groups coming across. These

• 1:17:07Speaker 03

  were many of, most of them were, you know, military aged males, which again, it's a, is it real, serious national security concern? Why are they here? I think, you know, it's being investigated. We're looking into it and, and hopefully we'll get some, you know, I'm sure things are being done in intelligence community that I'm not involved in right now, but deep national security concern. I've said it many times. This open border.

• 1:17:31Speaker 03

  Was probably the biggest national security vulnerability this nation's ever seen. Cause we don't know who came across and that over to Maine, that known gotaways. And we're not even talking about the unknown gotaways. Places like Big Ben sector where we don't have technology. How many people cross here that we don't know about? How many people came maritime that got away? How many people came through Canada? Cause our resource on Canada under Joe Biden, we have very few resources on Canada border, the Canadian border anyways, right? But half of the border relations on the Canadian border were detailed to the southern border to deal with that mess. And the half that remained on the Canadian border, most of them were sitting at a computer processing southern border apprehensions virtually.

• 1:18:15Speaker 03

  So there's practically no lake patrol, river patrol, road patrol, northern border. So God help what came through the Canadian border we don't know about.

• 1:18:25Shawn Ryan?

  What other type of bad actors are coming? I mean, we've got, we've got human smuggling slash sex trafficking. We've got drugs. We've got regular cartel members who are embedding themselves into the US, local US governments. We have Chinese, which are conducting all kinds of corporate and defense espionage, setting up

• 1:18:50Shawn Ryan?

  these huge Bitcoin scam camps. They're spying on our bases. They're, I mean, one of them was even producing power for, for a major military base in Texas. And then what else do we have? And then we have.

• 1:19:05Speaker 03

  We have a record number of Russians, uh, citizens of Russia, Turkey.

• 1:19:10Shawn Ryan?

  Think about that.

• 1:19:11Speaker 03

  You know, a lot of these countries are special interest countries. We had a record number of people from those countries coming across, not to mention the gangs. You know, Trend Iowa and MS 13, a lot of gang members come through, you know? I remember during the, the Obama administration where these family groups are coming across.

• 1:19:33Speaker 03

  We knew that some of the members, these families weren't families, they're actually gang members. Administration took no action on it. I ain't telling the president, Trump forty-five, his first, uh, uh, four years, we did Operation Matador, and up in Long Island, New York. We arrested just short of five hundred gang members. Most of them was thirteen. When we dig into, when we dig into the files, you know that forty-two percent of them entered the country as a family member or UAC. So they'll infiltrate, they'll come in as, as a staged family member, they're not, they'll come in as UAC, because UACs are, you know, up to seventeen. What's UAC? Unaccompanied, unaccompanied, child. The children come across, but the vast majority

• 1:20:18Speaker 03

  of UACs are fourteen to seventeen. Well, these are gang members, posing. They could be nineteen, twenty, posing as a seventeen-year-old. That happened a lot. Now, it's not happening because the border's shut down, but when we went and did this operation, forty-two percent of these entered as a, a, a child of a, a family group, supposed family group that worked, or, or a UAC, unaccompanied, unaccompanied child. They weren't a child at all, they're an adult, posed as a child. But under, under Trump forty-five, we attacked it because we did DNA tests and made sure that family's actually a family. Biden's

• 1:20:59Speaker 03

  station stopped that. And that's why I think he saw a skyrocket. And once he dropped, once he, they didn't vet the entire family, do the, to sponsors, and, under Trump, we'd vet the entire family, just not the sponsor. Anybody living in the household, we vet. When, when Biden came in, shut those rules down, no more vetting of people in the household, no more DNA testing. Childs running skyrocketing, so we don't know who, who a child was, with a parent or not with a parent. And that's why we got three hundred thousand missing ones now. So it's, they relaxed the rules. Again,

• 1:21:35Speaker 03

  Process quick, release quick. Less rules, faster the process goes. All they care about is the optics. And I guarantee you, there's children right now in this country by the thousands will wake up every day, living a life of hell, because they're living with a sponsor that's abusing them.

• 1:21:53Shawn Ryan?

  Jeez. When these entities come across, Chinese, traditional terrorists, cartel gangs,

• 1:22:02Shawn Ryan?

  Russians, are they, were they grouped into, would it be a caravan, or a smuggling operation of just that entity, just Chinese, just Russian, just Al Qaeda, just MS-13?

• 1:22:22Speaker 03

  Usually blended, they're usually blended with another group. Sometimes you got solely Chinese come across to the group, or many times were blended. The scariest thing about these countries, those, these unfriendly countries, in my opinion, is when Secretary Mayorkas sits there and says, "These people we released were vetted." They weren't vetted. You can call it vetting, but we know the vetting was a joke. We don't have, you think the Chinese government's going to give us national security information, or, or any information on these nationals coming across?

• 1:22:52Shawn Ryan?

  No.

• 1:22:54Speaker 03

  Russia, Turkey, Syria. You think any of these countries are going to share it? No, of course not. And if I was to come to criminal data, we don't have access to other countries' criminal data. You think El Salvador was, and Honduras and Guatemala were, I don't even know if they have an NCIC database like we got. They weren't properly vetted. When, when, when they stood on and said these people are vetted, what it usually meant was, they're vetted through NCIC, and triple I, state systems there. So unless they had a criminal history here, you know, that's, that was the most vetting that was done. Those, some of them got through terrorist screening database, but you and I both know, most terrorists in this world aren't in any database.

• 1:23:36Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:37Speaker 03

  Unless they were part of a T3 investigation, or encountered on a battlefield, or, you know, there's a lot of terrorists in this world, they're not in any database. So when they say they vetted these people, they vetted them through a weak system.

• 1:23:50Shawn Ryan?

  Well, on top of that, I mean, we actually, we did have a lot of, I mean, not with new ones, but we, we had a lot of intel. I mean, we used to use this thing called the hide system. You know, when, when I, when I was working over there, they would take a... retina map or whatever and but when we pull when we withdrew from Afghanistan the way we did we gave all of that up everything

• 1:24:15Speaker 03

  and that proves what the vetting was right they said they vetted all the Afghanistan states are brought over here DOD IG inspector general said they weren't properly vetted so this administration lied about all the vetting procedures

• 1:24:28Shawn Ryan?

  how about the tunnels

• 1:24:32Speaker 03

  tunnels are big in California um we're starting to see some now in Arizona um we got some pretty good tunnel technology but the more we find the more they dig but this administration upping we got a lot of really smart companies cutting us companies are coming to the table with tunnel technology some are pretty sophisticated

• 1:24:57Shawn Ryan?

  how do those work

• 1:25:00Speaker 03

  well the simple they'll dig the tunnel down in Mexico and it comes up usually now is inside of a building less attention they'll come upside of a like a corporate plaza they'll come up the side of a warehouse or a building uh there's some I don't want to discuss the technology I don't want to show her hand there's a lot of latest technology help us find those tunnels but we're finding many but there's some we you know again as we shut down a tunnel none of it being dug so it's a it's a cat a cat and mouse game on the tunnels we shut down a lot of them some are very sophisticated they're lighted and air conditioned you know

• 1:25:41Speaker 03

  you can take carts through there some you gotta crawl through we just uh they're using the the water the um the drainage pipes in El Paso they'll just go through a city drainage area they use some of that sometimes but we got that pretty much under control but

• 1:26:01Speaker 03

  Tunnel digging is is is increasing just because the border is locked down. So again, the cartels aren't going to go away. They're going to think of another reason, another method of getting the United States. That's why maritime, we're seeing maritime increase now. A lot more taken to, you know, to the Pacific or the Atlantic, through the Caribbean or over San Diego. Some are taking bongo boats as far as north as Laguna de Gallo. President Trump's got Navy ships out, Navy ships out there patrolling now. We got increased Coast Guard patrols and border patrol also got maritime is increasing. So we're trying, we adapt as the cartels move, you know, move their method of operation. We adapt pretty quickly.

• 1:26:42Shawn Ryan?

  Who are some of the, have there been any key players that you've caught? Like cartel leaders, ISIS leaders, terrorist leaders, sex trafficking leaders? Have you caught any, we'll just call it kingpins?

• 1:27:04Speaker 03

  Quite a few. We got quite a few of MS-13 TDA leadership. FBI is taking, as you know, some significant terrorist leaders out. But when it comes to what I'm doing on immigration enforcement, we have taken out major command and control of TDA and MS-13. But I won't be happy till every single one of them has been, you know, removed from this country. But we've hurt TDA. TDA is on the run. There's still some areas we need to attack. Problem is, they got a foothold in sanctuary cities. Sanctuary cities is hard because local law enforcement cannot work with us because of sanctuary city laws.

• 1:27:48Speaker 03

  So it's kind of like a cat and mouse game over there, too. I mean, New York City, you know, TDA and MS-13 both have a huge presence there. Now, we're, we just did an operation with NYPD a month ago, I think three weeks ago, I was over doing press counts. We indicted 27 members of TDA. Huge public safety win. New York City became that much safer. But they're sanctuary city. Well, I think we showed during that operation, if they'd worked with us, look at the great impact we'll have on public safety.

• 1:28:19Speaker 03

  And now, you know, you got the city council over there suing the mayor for working with us. Mayor wants to get us back into Rikers Island to arrest a bad guy. And it's the right thing to do. Let us arrest a public safety threat in the safety and security of a jail.

• 1:28:38Speaker 03

  Because you release them, it puts the community at risk, puts our officer at risk, and now we gotta go find him on his turf where he has access to who knows what weapons, right? Mm-hmm. So even though we show great success, what we can do together in New York City, right away, the city council sues, trying to prevent that type of operation. Man. It's ridiculous. Sanctuary cities, no, it, it, Sanctuary cities under Biden exploded.

• 1:29:03Speaker 03

  They did nothing about it. President Trump's taking action, Pam Bondi's starting to file lawsuits against Sanctuary cities. I'm, you know, I'm working with Secretary Noem, we're, we're adding more resources to Sanctuary cities because that's where the problem is. They're knowingly releasing public safety threats back into the community. You know, I, I, you know, I got, I got attacked by the left for making a speech at the, at, at one speech, but I was going to go, Boston, bring hell with me. So how dare he threaten Boston? I wasn't threatening Boston. I was threatening the criminal illegal aliens in Boston's that raped children. Before I gave that speech, I looked into a list of people we arrested over the past few months. I stopped at nine illegal aliens that raped children.

• 1:29:47Speaker 03

  And they'd rather release them back to the street than call us, once they get out of jail. So he damn right, I said, I was gonna bring hell, bring hell to every illegal alien that commits a crime against a child over there. And we did, I went over there, I think in a matter of two days, we arrested several child predators, arrested numerous TDA members. Uh, Chicago, same thing, Chicago mayor said I wasn't welcome in Chicago. Chicago's the first place I went after inauguration, because I was told I wasn't welcome there. It was the first place I went. And the first day we were there, we arrested two illegal aliens that had a murder conviction, arrested TDA members, arrested child sex predators. One day in Chicago, that city was that much safer, where they still refused to work with us.

• 1:30:29Speaker 03

  So I've said Sanctuary cities won't get exactly what they don't want. More agents in the communities. A more collateral arrest. Because right now, the media's beating us up. Oh, you say you're going to concentrate on public safety threats, national security threats. Well, a lot of the people you're arresting aren't criminals. Okay, where are they being arrested? They're being arrested in a sanctuary city. Why? Because you forced me into the community. If you let me in the jail, one agent can arrest one bad guy. In the safety and security of a jail. But you rather release that public safety threat back in the public, which puts the public in harm, puts an agent in harm, puts an alien in harm, because anything can happen on the street arrest. Let me in the jail. But when you force me in the community, we're going to go to the community and we're going to find that person.

• 1:31:13Speaker 03

  And when we find him, he's probably with others. Others may not be a criminal target for them to come to illegally. ICE is going to do the job and arrest that collateral.

• 1:31:22Shawn Ryan?

  How do these sanctuary cities work? I mean, how are they harboring illegal immigration? How are they helping?

• 1:31:29Speaker 03

  Well, my definition sanctuary city, don't give us access to the jail, they were honor detained. So they rather release the illegal alien public safety threat back in the community. Here's a justification. Well, we're a welcoming community. We're a sanctuary city because we want victims and witnesses of crime, if they're in the country illegally, victim and witnesses of crime to feel comfortable coming and reporting that crime without fear that we're working with ICE. Okay, that's bullshit. We all know that. We don't want to talk to the victim or witness. We want to talk to the guy that you locked in a jail cell.

• 1:32:13Speaker 03

  That's who we want to talk to. And I'm sure the victim and witness of a crime don't want the bad guy back out there either to take revenge on the victim witness of crime. Give us the bad guy. Because I think if you went to immigrant community and asked them one question, would you rather have ICE operating in the jail or your community? They're going to say the jail. Because immigrant community, even the illegal immigrant community.

• 1:32:42Speaker 03

  Even though they're in the country illegally, many of them want to get here. Are pretty law abiding. They're family people, they care about their families still. They don't want a predator in their neighborhood either. They don't want someone arrested for DUI 10 times in their neighborhood either.

• 1:32:58Speaker 03

  So let us in the jail, you, you, you're the one that locked the guy in the jail cell. Apparently because he's a public safety threat, why you locking him up? Give us that access to that person when you're done with them, give them to us. So stop telling the story that your sanctuary city can try and protect the witness, victims, the witnesses of crime to come forward. The only reason they're going to be afraid is because of the message the left is sending out that we're out there tearing up families and raiding neighborhoods. We don't raid neighborhoods, we don't sweep neighborhoods. Everybody we arrest is a targeted enforcement operation. When we go out in the streets, we know exactly who we're looking for. We're most likely we will find them. We even got, we have their full immigration history, full criminal history, we, we, many

• 1:33:41Speaker 03

  times we know who's in the house, if there's children in the house. These officers spend a lot of time planning these operations. It's not a sweep, we don't go through neighborhood looking for people different than us. It's targeted enforcement operation, but the left keeps lying to the American people saying we're sweeping neighborhoods, we're tearing families apart, we're out there, you know, just, you know, racial profiling, it's ridiculous. So this is very intel driven? Absolutely. Every, every person we go arrest, there's, there's a few jobs sheet done on them, that's be signed up by a supervisor. Now the left's out there saying, well, now we're raiding schools and churches and, and hospitals. Because we did away with a sensitive location policy.

• 1:34:24Speaker 03

  We did away the sensitive location policy for companies, number one, we're the only law enforcement agency that had such a policy. FBI don't have that policy, DEA don't have that policy. ATF, none of these federal agencies have a policy where you can't arrest somebody on a school grounds or a hospital or someplace else. And why did we do away with it? Because there is no sanctuary.

• 1:34:47Speaker 03

  Under President Trump, there is no sanctuary for criminal aliens, public safety threats, or national security threats in this country. It doesn't mean we're gonna raid a school, but if we have an MS-13 gang member that's a senior at this high school over here, and we've been looking for him, we can't find him, but all of a sudden we know that he's attending class here right now, significant public safety threat, we're gonna go arrest that guy, with the assistance of the local authorities. Doesn't mean we're sweeping the school, means we're taking one bad guy out.

• 1:35:16Speaker 03

  And more than likely, we're gonna wait for him to leave class. But the left takes it, "Oh, they're gonna sweep schools, they're gonna sweep hospitals, they're gonna sweep, you know, churches." It's ridiculous. But if there's a national security threat attending mass right now that we've been looking for, we know he's right now in a mass, we're gonna arrest them. There's no sanctuary for public safety threats or national security threats in this country under President Trump. So that's why, but again, the media takes that. So when I'm reading the stories about, you know, teachers, you know, elementary school teachers, you know, teaching their children, the other school, school board members and other teachers how to defy ICE, they show up at your school.

• 1:35:55Speaker 03

  It's just a vilification, and we know it's coming, the vilification of ICE, vilification of Trump, vilification of me, which I don't care, I mean, I really don't care what people think about me, because I know I'm doing the right thing. So you can hate on me all you want. Matter of fact, I get disappointed when I go in an event that's not protest, I'm a little disappointed. I actually like protesters. But, uh,

• 1:36:21Speaker 03

  the media is not

• 1:36:26Speaker 03

  being factual with American people, and that's very, very irritating. It's, it's, it's an insult, because they're hiding the truth.

• 1:36:39Speaker 03

  Not the media just a couple weeks ago saying, "We're deporting less people than Joe Biden."

• 1:36:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:36:47Speaker 03

  Why? Because the border is shut down. The border is secure. A lot of Biden removals, there are countless ICE removals and border patrol removals together. You had millions of people coming across every year, right? And they did remove a certain percentage of them.

• 1:37:02Speaker 03

  We could remove 100% of people we encounter, and Joe Biden can remove 5% of people he encounter, he's still gonna beat us. The border was unsecure, you had 10.5 million people come across the border in 10 years. But if you look at ICE arrests, the true deportation number, ICE arrests- 10.5 million people. We're killing them. On ICE deport, but they won't say that. They fudge the numbers on purpose to look like we're doing less, and we're not. ICE is arresting and deporting a lot more people. Under Joe Biden, you had 10.5 million people come to the border, historic numbers every year, four years. Every year is a historic number. He kept breaking his own record every year. Same time you have historic illegal immigration on the southern border, ICE under Biden had the lowest numbers of removals, arrests, that they arrested, not border patrol.

• 1:37:47Speaker 03

  Lowest number of arrests and removes by ICE in the history of the agency. At the same time, he had unprecedented crossings on the border. We've turned that around. We got the most secure border in the history of this country right now. ICE has arrested about three times more criminals than Biden never thought arrested.

• 1:38:05Speaker 03

  I mean, I remember-

• 1:38:08Speaker 03

  If you look at the numbers right now, Sean, an average day under Joe Biden, 1,800 got away, as you and I talked about. Every day.

• 1:38:20Speaker 03

  1,800.

• 1:38:23Speaker 03

  The other day, we had 38.

• 1:38:26Speaker 03

  1,800 a day. We had 38 the other day.

• 1:38:32Speaker 03

  If you look at the numbers, apprehensions a day. 10, 12,000 under Biden many, many times, a few times you got to 15. But let's just take 10, 12,000, because there were a lot of those days.

• 1:38:45Speaker 03

  That's almost 800,000 a year.

• 1:38:49Speaker 03

  Of course, yeah. Under Biden. And what was the got away number the other day?

• 1:38:56Speaker 03

  Forty-one.

• 1:38:59Speaker 03

  Forty-one too many. I'll be happy with zero. Eighteen-hundred and forty-one.

• 1:39:05Speaker 03

  The number that impressed me the most is those they released into the country. So, the first hundred days under Trump, nine people were released from the border under Trump. Four of them were material witnesses. We wanted them here to testify in a serious criminal case. Four were extreme medical conditions. We had to take them to a hospital or they're gonna die. You know, extreme medical conditions.

• 1:39:33Speaker 03

  We just can't deport somebody in a bad way like you can do it. Talk about being inhumane. And one was a discretionary release for humanitarian reasons. So, out of those nine releases, one was really discretionary.

• 1:39:48Speaker 03

  Nine total.

• 1:39:50Speaker 03

  Same timeframe under Biden, a hundred days? Hundred-and-eighty-four thousand people were released into the United States. That's what President Trump has done for this border. Again, most secure border in the history of this nation today.

• 1:40:07Shawn Ryan?

  How are you?

• 1:40:11Shawn Ryan?

  Other than sending more agents, how are you dealing with these sanctuary cities? I mean, we saw, we saw a judge, was it Wisconsin, that got arrested?

• 1:40:19Speaker 03

  Well, I said from day one, the sanctuary cities and the governors, the mayors and...

• 1:40:27Speaker 03

  If you want to support sanctuary cities, if that's what you want to do, then go ahead.

• 1:40:34Speaker 03

  Just don't get in our way. If you don't want... I would think every governor, every mayor, any city council person, their number one responsibility is protection of their communities. I've already been clear, and President Trump's been clear from day one. We're prioritizing public safety threats and national security threats. They should be shoulder to shoulder with us on this.

• 1:40:58Speaker 03

  But their hatred for Trump.

• 1:41:01Speaker 03

  They're supporting sanctuary cities and the politics, putting politics over public safety means more to them.

• 1:41:08Speaker 03

  I wish they loved their communities more than they hate Trump.

• 1:41:13Speaker 03

  Cause we can make a difference. But I've said from day one, you cannot support us.

• 1:41:19Speaker 03

  You can protest us. But if you cross the line, we'll seek prosecution. If you cross the line of impeding us.

• 1:41:29Speaker 03

  That's a felony. If you knowingly harbor and conceal illegal alien from us, that's a felony.

• 1:41:37Speaker 03

  If you interfere.

• 1:41:39Speaker 03

  We're gonna seek prosecution. And it's already happened to one judge, two judges.

• 1:41:45Shawn Ryan?

  What were they doing?

• 1:41:46Speaker 03

  A mayor was arrested just this past few days.

• 1:41:50Shawn Ryan?

  Newark.

• 1:41:51Speaker 03

  In Newark, because he was trespassing. We're not gonna tolerate it. We got Pam Bondi, powerful Attorney General right there. We got Cash Patel. I mean, we're simply not gonna deal with it. You cannot support us. You can, you can, you know, call us all the names you want, protest all you want, but don't cross that line, because we're gonna enforce the law. President Trump was elected by the American people overwhelmingly because of his stance on the border, securing the border and run this deportation operation. That is what we're gonna do. We're gonna keep President Trump's promise to the American people that voted him in office for this reason. We're going to do it. So, you can stand aside and watch, but don't get in our way and don't cross the line.

• 1:42:37Speaker 03

  Well, it does, it's sanctuary cities, we need more people. So, what I've said of sanctuary cities, we're gonna flood the zone.

• 1:42:45Shawn Ryan?

  How many sanctuary cities are there?

• 1:42:47Speaker 03

  Oh, I don't have a hundred and...

• 1:42:49Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, I just saw, literally yesterday, that the mayor of Nashville is now gonna use taxpaying dollars to...

• 1:42:59Shawn Ryan?

  Harbor illegal aliens.

• 1:43:01Speaker 03

  Well, you better not.

• 1:43:03Speaker 03

  Harboring and concealing illegal aliens is a felony, United States. United States Code thirteen twenty-four. You know, in my career, I've arrested US citizens for harboring an alien in a workplace or homes. Why, why are politicians any different?

• 1:43:19Shawn Ryan?

  They shouldn't.

• 1:43:19Speaker 03

  We're gonna force laws on anybody crosses, across that line. But what sanctuary cities are gonna get? We're gonna flood the zone. If I, you, if one agent can't arrest a bad guy in the jail, then I gotta send a whole team. Usually five or six guys to go arrest this person, five or six agents, to arrest this person, because who knows what weapons he has access to, arrest him at his turf.

• 1:43:42Speaker 03

  So if I can't arrest him in the jail, safety and security of the jail, which is safe for everybody, then I gotta send a whole team in the neighborhood. If we can't arrest him at home, then arrest him at place of employment. So we're gonna flood the zone with agents and communities, and we're gonna increase worksite enforcement operations tenfold. We're gonna get them. So sanctuary cities are gonna get what they want, don't want, more agents in your communities, more collateral arrests, because when we find the bad guy, like I said before, we're gonna arrest anybody we find. During, while we're looking for that guy, if we find illegal alien and, and exercise that o- operation, they're gonna go too. Because under the last administration, they told ICE, immigration officers who took an oath to enforce immigration law, Mayorkas told ICE, you can't arrest somebody for being here illegally.

• 1:44:27Speaker 03

  They had to be arrested for a serious crime, convicted of a serious crime before you can take action. They rewrote immigration law. Well, no, the statute is clear. We told ICE agents, you will uphold the oath you took, you will enforce the laws, you took an oath to enforce. So if you find illegal alien, while you're looking for that bad guy, take him into custody. So, again, sanctuary cities, everybody said, why are there so many collateral arrests? Because you forced me in the neighborhood. So we're gonna flood the zone.

• 1:44:56Shawn Ryan?

  What has been the response of Border Patrol, law enforcement, ICE? I mean, uh.

• 1:45:04Speaker 03

  Great question. Let me tell you something. The last four years, I made a dozen trips to the border. I was a Border Patrol agent. So I'd go down there, just see what's going on. Most agents recognized me, uh,

• 1:45:16Speaker 03

  and they talk freely with me. They're miserable.

• 1:45:21Speaker 03

  They consider themselves Uber drivers, tourist agents. They weren't enforcing the law.

• 1:45:26Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:45:26Speaker 03

  They were simply finding people they arrested. People across the border. I wouldn't say arrest them. They took him, they detained him, they processed him, and took him to an air- uh, airport or bus station, or hand him over to NGO that who took him to an air- airport or bus station. They were arresting people who broke our laws, entered country illegally, and sending them around their way. Children, they send to ORR, and ORR would deliver them, the children, to the very people, many times, that arranged to have them smuggled in the United States. That's a felony.

• 1:46:01Speaker 03

  And, and Biden administration were delivering these children to the same people who paid to have them smuggled here.

• 1:46:09Speaker 03

  Now, we're addressing that right now. We want to hold people accountable, but that's what was occurring. So the morale was in the toilet. Border Patrol agents were quitting, retiring early, recruiting, they couldn't get recruiting done at all. ICE, same thing. Last month,

• 1:46:26Speaker 03

  under Border Patrol, the highest recruiting numbers ever in the history of the agency, because people want to be a part of this. People want to be a part about securing the nation, protect that southern border. The recruiting numbers are through the roof. Morale's at an all-time high.

• 1:46:42Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, I would think it's at an all-time high. I mean, I remember, I remember watching that, uh, the, the agent on horseback that they, they painted him out to be whipping, like he had a whip and he was, and it turned out to be just the horse reins. I mean, they just kneecapped these guys.

• 1:47:02Speaker 03

  When that video, when that video came out, I was sitting in my living room. Now, I was a Border Patrol agent. I know there was some engagement. I saw that video, I think, okay.

• 1:47:12Speaker 03

  They did perfectly. They performed perfectly. The horses performed perfectly. Just like the horses in New York City do crowd control. The horses are trained very well. And these officers on those horses are masters of what they do. I watched that, I thought, wow, these guys did a great job. The only people that did anything wrong in that video were the Haitian illegal aliens, who enter country illegally, which is a crime, by the way, and ignored commands from a federal officer, which is a crime. But no one talked about the Haitians violating law that day. They talked about agents whipping black people. You had the President of the United States stand at the White House podium and slander these men. You had the Secretary of Homeland Security slander these men from the White House podium.

• 1:47:56Speaker 03

  And to this day, they've never been apologized to. I said from day one, once the investigation cleared them, they didn't whip anybody? Was there any apologies? No. And these men's families were bullied in churches and schools? Their careers will never be the same. Because now they got a record. And even after the investigation said they didn't whip anybody, they were trying to come up with some charges, oh, you used a bad word, or you were too aggressive, because they didn't want to embarrass the President, and they had to come up with something. But the union got some good legal support fees, agents, but it was a travesty. Can you imagine being a GS-12 border patrol agent? And going home that night from work, when the President of the United States compared you to racist? Man.

• 1:48:40Speaker 03

  I mean, these men and women put their lives on the line for this country every day. Look, in my career, I buried border patrol agents, I buried ICE agents. The saddest thing I've ever had to do is hand a folded flag to a child or a surviving spouse. They tarnished the memory of every agent that made the ultimate sacrifice that day. These men at Horseback did a fabulous job, and never received an apology after, you know, thrown under the bus from the White House podium. Now President Trump?

• 1:49:16Speaker 03

  He's like me, he loves Borger, loves ICE, he has her six. Doing what we can to support him and but letting them do their jobs is the best morale boost you could ever do. I just told you a few minutes ago, I wake up every day like a kid in the candy shop, can we get to do the job that that I dealt with for four decades and can fix what the mess that Biden made? You think my morale is high? You don't see the morale of the men and women are actually making a difference, the ones that are carrying the badge and gun down there. Their morale is at an all time high.

• 1:49:47Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, this just bled into every, every aspect of law enforcement. I met so many friends that, that left law enforcement over the last four years because they were telling me, hey, you know, we'd pick these guys up, we'd, we'd, we'd, we'd pull them over, they'd have drugs in the car, they'd be drunk, they'd be trafficking, whatever, whatever the crime was. And if they didn't have proper, proper documentation and they were illegal, then they had to let them go. And so many guys walked off the job just because they weren't, they weren't able to enforce the law. Is that still happening or is that, is that finished?

• 1:50:25Speaker 03

  Their morale is all time high, they're doing their job. President Trump gives them full support and force laws. And they're doing it, matter of fact, prosecutions right now on the southern border are all time high. They're just not arresting illegal aliens, they're prosecuting people. They're prosecuting people for illegal entry, they're prosecuting people for a felony reentry or deportation. They're prosecuting people for entering a, um, an army installation. Their prosecutions of smuggling skyrocket.

• 1:50:57Speaker 03

  Now we're stepping up prosecutions on the interior. You know, you got a lot of politicians out there, a lot of NGOs, who say they're educating illegal aliens to their constitutional rights. You don't have to open the door for ICE. You don't have to answer questions, you don't have to provide documents.

• 1:51:14Speaker 03

  And I've been going at this for a couple of months now, but I, I, what we're doing now, there's eight USC, a 1253.

• 1:51:22Speaker 03

  I think that's the site. You cannot hinder your own removal. If you have an order, order removed from federal judge, and you try to hinder that removal, that is a crime. We're gonna start prosecuting if you're for it. So that will put you in jail. Prosecute puts you out, then deport you. We're not playing games anymore. So we're out there, we're out there, like I say, sanctuary is hitting them hard, and we're gonna hit them harder. We're gonna keep coming.

• 1:51:48Speaker 03

  The media and these leftist politicians and, and these activist judges, I, to this day, I've never seen the activist judges I see right now. When you have a district court judge, district court judge, which has a district,

• 1:52:06Speaker 03

  putting in nationwide injunctions across the entire nation, what we can and can't do. Every time we, we, we, we make progress, another judge says you can't do it. They're, they're, we're, we're in so much litigation right now. It's incredible. You know, they all want, well, there's a legal process, there's due process, but there was no legal process. They ignore the legal process, due process when they entered illegally, then use the legal process then. But all of a sudden now, we're deporting people, where's the legal process? Where's the due process? Uh, it's, it's, it's just, it, it,

• 1:52:40Speaker 03

  the amount of lawsuits they've already filed against this administration is just more than the last 10 years combined. It's just incredible. The amount of lawsuits we're facing right now. We'll, we'll win them, but it slows us down.

• 1:52:54Speaker 03

  And that's what their whole intention, slow us down, because we don't want to ruin their long-term plans. Who these people may be someday. Well, you know, to, to democratic voters. I mean, I've never seen anything like this in my career.

• 1:53:07Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, with 10.5 million illegal immigrants that have come across the border within the last four years, and then you come in to clean that up, where do you even begin?

• 1:53:21Speaker 03

  Well, President Trump made a clear role for public safety, trust national security threats first. And that's what we've been doing. But again, the collateral numbers are increasing because of sanctuary cities, but it's hard, it's a hard job. I can't tell you everything we do to find these people because law enforcement is sensitive, but like I said earlier, a lot of people have a footprint that makes it one way, but we, we, there's a lot of smart.

• 1:53:49Speaker 03

  Technology out there to help us find people. But sanctuary cities are hard. What age is Because these people are actually in custody at one point. We know who they are. Because here's what people don't understand. If you get arrested tonight. You're going to get fingerprinted. And those fingerprints go to NCIC. Check for your criminal history. Well, they also bounce against DHS databases. So we know for a fact. John Ryan just got arrested. He's sitting in. Smith County Jail right now. That was a long time ago. So then we get bumped back. If we have immigration record, hey, this guy who has a warrant or deportation,

• 1:54:32Speaker 03

  or this guy we deported before is sitting in this jail right now. So we issue a detainer. Say, hey, we want that guy when you're done with him. So we know where they're at. But when sanctuary cities release them, now they're in the community. Now we gotta go find them. So it's very hard work. There's a lot of smart technology out there right now. To help us find these people. But it's not a hundred percent. I mean, many times, you know, we go out and they moved, they changed their name and, and, you know, it's just, it's, it's, it's a lot of hard work. But I guess my point is when people see us out there, we're not, we're not sweeping anything. We have a, we spend a lot of time and effort looking for these people. Uh, and, and building a file on these people.

• 1:55:14Speaker 03

  So we increase the chance that we actually find this guy and arrest him. It's, it's not, it's not a simple process. It's, it's a slow, a, a long, drawn out process. But it'd be so much more efficient. If you just give us the bad guy in the jail. That will save thousands and thousands of hours of investigative work. It makes the community safer. Releasing a public safety threat back into the public when you don't have to? It's just stupid. It's, it just defies common sense.

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• 1:56:44Speaker 03

  If you locked him in the jail cell, why not give him to us when you're done with him? And you got sheriffs out there, "Well, we can't, I'm detained, we can't hold him for 48 hours on your, on your word because there's some legal precedent that can't be done." If we don't hold him for 40 hours, why don't you call us before you release him? We'll be there. You don't have to hold him a minute past you would normally hold him, just let us know when you release him, we'll be there. It's about public safety. And I've called sheriffs out who refuse to cooperate with us. I think they forgot what it's like being a law enforcement officer and became a politician. It's, it's just, Mayor Adams, you know, I beat Mayor Adams up for three years.

• 1:57:29Speaker 03

  Well, he, he was a career cop that became a mayor and forgot what it's like to be a cop and his cops were being beat up by illegal aliens and he still wasn't assisting with ICE. Then I went up and met with him a few times, you know, due to the election process and after-election. And for the first time, I sat down, I saw the cop come out of him and he said, "You know what? You're right. Public safety, we should be shoulder-to-shoulder. I need to get you in Rikers Island. You arrested a bad guy in Rikers Island rather than being released back to the streets of New York." So we got him to the table, he's doing the right thing, and the city council sues him for working with me, for working with ICE. It's just incredible.

• 1:58:06Shawn Ryan?

  How many agencies are collaborating with you guys to get this done?

• 1:58:10Speaker 03

  Right now, the Nationwide Interior Enforcement Operations, President Trump has a hollow government approach, first time ever, that's, that's amazing. We got, okay, we got ICE, which is HSI and the RRO Enforcement and Mobile Operations. We got the DEA, we got the FBI, we got ATF, you got the US Marshals, you got the State Department. Uh, I think the postal inspectors are coming on, uh, but for sure, it's, it's all the DOJ agencies. And what's great about it...

• 1:58:43Speaker 03

  We arrest the illegal alien target and he has dope, DA is right there. You can prosecute him before we deport him. If, uh, you know, he got a gun, get ATF right there. Prosecute him. Illegal alien possession of firearm, 922G felony. Prosecute him, then we deport him. It's great. Plus they have their own intelligence, right? DA has a lot, numerous investigation that include, that involve foreign nationals. So they're sharing intelligence with us. Uh, FBI, same thing, numerous investigations of, of, of foreign nationals. All of our intelligence, our databases collide with one. We all got the work in and it's, it's, the, the, it's been amazing. President Trump's a game changer. He put DOD on the border with us.

• 1:59:26Speaker 03

  Pete Hegseth said it best, that we spent decades defending other nations' borders, now we're defending ours.

• 1:59:33Shawn Ryan?

  I want to get to the, to the actual border here in a bit, but when it comes to economy, and I'm just curious to hear your thoughts here. There's, there's such a big sector of the economy that relies on cheap labor, illegal immigration, home builders, commercial builders, landscaping, just about all the, all the, the blue collar jobs and that, and that sector seem to be illegal immigrants. And so I'm sure because of the mass deportations that the, you know, the prices are going to

• 2:00:18Shawn Ryan?

  rise. And something that I hear a lot of are, are business owners that are, that, that they're trying to, they're trying to get their workforce legal and put them through that system. And they're, they're not able to do it. Is there any, or do you think there should be any type of program to fast track people that are just here to work? Keeps business flowing, keeps prices a little bit less than what they would be. I mean, is there any type of program where where construction types can get their workforce legalized?

• 2:01:01Speaker 03

  Well, first of all, let me tell you my thoughts after doing this for four years. My opinion is, most people don't hire an illegal alien out of the goodness of their heart.

• 2:01:13Speaker 03

  They're hiring them, working them harder, paying them less, undercutting competition who have U.S. citizen employees. I'll give you one example. I put a new roof in my house several years ago. I had to call five different companies, five or six, I think five, until I got a company to guarantee me illegal workforce.

• 2:01:33Speaker 03

  Well, a lot of people come and give me bids. One guy showed up, it was him and his son.

• 2:01:40Speaker 03

  They're hoping they could just do a repair and I'll do the whole roof. I said, I need the whole roof.

• 2:01:46Speaker 03

  He told me he had 20 U.S. citizen employees.

• 2:01:51Speaker 03

  They put on a roof at 15, 20 bucks an hour.

• 2:01:55Speaker 03

  But he couldn't win a bid.

• 2:01:57Speaker 03

  Because the other companies hiring illegal aliens put them on a roof for five, seven dollars an hour. Ridiculous wages. He couldn't win a bid. So what did he do? He laid off 20 citizen employees and him and his son just doing repairs.

• 2:02:10Speaker 03

  That happens a thousand times across this country every day.

• 2:02:14Speaker 03

  Because you undercut your competition as U.S. citizen and illegal employment drives down wages. That's proven. So with that, I can tell you that it will have an impact in some industries, especially now that we're doing worksite enforcement operations. But Biden administration shut down worksite enforcement operations. At the same time, we had the biggest human trafficking crisis in the history of this nation.

• 2:02:38Speaker 03

  Where do we find most victims of trafficking? Workforce operations. And like I said, where do we find a lot of bad guys if we can't arrest them in a jail? Have their job, we can't arrest them at home, arrest them at jobs, we're doing worksite enforcement operations. But there's some industries that really rely on them. And I think President Trump made it clear just a few weeks ago that farm workers, he wants to, you know, increase the program that allows more people to come to this country to work on farms. It's H2A, H2B program.

• 2:03:10Speaker 03

  Congress needs to make a fix. What needs to happen is Department of Labor needs to ascertain if there's truly a need for that employment, to make sure there's not US citizens willing to take those jobs. So Congress has a role here. I think President Trump's looking at that sector to try to provide help. So it's a common sense approach, and that's why I think he's concentrated on public safety threats, national security threats first, while they work out some of these other plans. But under Trump 45, he put an immigration plan on the table that based immigration in this country based on merit, what they can bring to this country as far as work. Also, but he still kept moms, dads, sons

• 2:03:54Speaker 03

  and daughters in there and family. It's a great plan. I was involved and looked at it. Parts I weren't involved in looked at. What happened? Congress didn't bring it up. Why? Because the plan required money for a wall. He had a fix for DACA. Got shut down by Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer. Why? Because there was money for the wall. So President Trump, again, is putting things on the table I think would be very beneficial. If there's a need for that employment, then we should have those employees, but it has to go through a process, make sure we're not displacing US citizen employees. A lot of high-tech jobs are going to outside companies from foreign nations. Trying to tell me there's

• 2:04:38Speaker 03

  not enough US citizen employees to take those high-tech jobs, we could pay any jobs. There just needs to be a process. But President Trump started the other day talking about farm work. We need to really pay attention on farms, because there is a need for more employment on farms, but they need to go through the legal process, and there is a legal process. Could be improved, but there is a legal process, H2A program. You can bring farm workers on a seasonal basis to come and, you know, for instance, pick crops during the season, then go back home when they're done with the season. So there's some more work to do on that. But that's why I think President Trump's concentrating on the criminals right now.

• 2:05:12Shawn Ryan?

  Would you like to see, would you like to see the red tape ease up a little bit when it comes to doing something like this?

• 2:05:19Speaker 03

  Of course. Congress can fix a lot of things. Just like I told you earlier, there's three laws they could fix right now.

• 2:05:27Speaker 03

  That will solve eighty-five percent of the border problem. That way, every administration that comes in doesn't have to undo what the other one did.

• 2:05:35Shawn Ryan?

  What are those laws?

• 2:05:37Speaker 03

  Trafficking Victims Act, as we talked about, the asylum rules, and the Flores-Sutton Agreement, let us detain families in residential centers, those three rules alone. Well, Congress can't seem to get anything done. I mean, funding right now, I mean, we're doing great work. But with more money, we could do more. I mentioned seven hundred thousand illegal animals with some sort of criminal history, either convicted or pending criminal charges. With more money, we could put more teams out there. Everybody we arrest to deport, we need a bed for it. We need more beds. So Congress needs to fund what I call a mandate for the American people that put him in office to do. Congress needs to fund us. It's the

• 2:06:22Speaker 03

  same old budgeting process, right? Under Trump forty-five, Trump tried to do the right thing. The first two years he had the House and Senate, a lot of things couldn't get done because there were some Republicans on the Hill, and never Trumpers didn't want to do the right thing. So I don't have a lot of faith in them. I'm hoping they learn a lesson. Now that we have the House and Senate, right now, we got two years to make a difference because who knows what's going to happen in two years? You never count anything. But Congress needs to step up. A lot of these problems could be solved by Congress. But until then, President Trump has stepped up, again, the game changer. He's issued a series of executive orders that gave us the most secure border in the history of this nation right now. That's given us more criminal arrests in the interior than Biden ever did.

• 2:07:03Speaker 03

  So we're doing really good. But with more money, we can do more and do it quicker. Congress has a lot of things they could address.

• 2:07:11Shawn Ryan?

  When it comes to the deportations, there's a very controversial case with the El Salvadorian guy, who, he was an El Salvadorian citizen, correct?

• 2:07:22Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 2:07:23Shawn Ryan?

  What is the controversy there?

• 2:07:25Speaker 03

  The controversy is during his immigration proceedings, he had a, he had an order from a judge that he couldn't be removed to El Salvador because he showed a fear of his safety from a gang that was in El Salvador. He had an order withholding. However, he had two orders of deportation. Now, people say it was a mistake.

• 2:07:54Speaker 03

  I'd call it maybe an oversight because even though there's withholding order in there, the facts of that withholding order, the facts that justified the withholding order have changed. For instance, that gang he was afraid of no longer exists in El Salvador.

• 2:08:11Shawn Ryan?

  Oh, that's interesting.

• 2:08:12Speaker 03

  Second thing, because President Bukele, like him or loving him, he, he, that's one of the safest nations in the region right now. What he did, he, he obliterated MS-13 in his nation. The second thing that changed, the fact that changed is now he's a designated terrorist because he's a verified member of MS-13. So things changed since the removal. Number one, now he's a designated terrorist, and two, the, the fear he has no longer exists. So, and here, here's what's going to, here, here's what, the best that could ever happen for him, let's say, he came back. He's going to be immediately detained and deported again. Because there's deportation, he's been ordered deported by two different judges. They said he didn't have due process.

• 2:08:55Speaker 03

  He had all, he, he's been ordered removed by two different judges, he said there's due process. So, the way I see it, he's home. He's a citizen and national of El Salvador, he is home. And, and Bukele can do what he wants. Like, I, I won't get in the weeds of, you know, because it's under litigation, but I think we removed the public safety threat, human trafficker, wife beater, designated terrorist from this country. This country's safer because he's no longer here. And we'll let the DOJ continue to litigate it, but President Trump, again, committed to removing the worst of the worst, and that's what we did.

• 2:09:32Shawn Ryan?

  And he was an El Salvadorian citizen?

• 2:09:36Speaker 03

  Absolutely.

• 2:09:37Shawn Ryan?

  And he was verified MS-13?

• 2:09:40Speaker 03

  Verified by numerous sources. Not only ICE, but by a police agency, gang unit, judge recognized it, uh, MS-13, even, even El Salvadorian recognized him as MS-13 member. So, you know, plus now, truth's coming out, right? Video of him trafficking, smuggling, uh, wife filing protection orders because he's, you know, assaulting her. It, it's unfortunate.

• 2:10:09Speaker 03

  Senator Van Hollen and others flew down there to cuddle with him. At the same time, we had US citizen parents in his state of Maryland who buried their children because their children were murdered and raped by a TDA member, MS-13 member. I would think a US citizen would be more concerned with his US citizen constituency who buried their children more than designated terrorist, public safety threat, white beater, illegal alien. But that's where we're at today. We're putting politics over public safety, politics over common sense. Man.

• 2:10:49Speaker 03

  Mary, news reports how we're deporting US citizen children. We can't legally deport any US citizen. What happened in those cases, they said we deported US citizen children. No, we didn't. The parent was already deported. The parent has a decision to make. Do I take my child with me? Do I leave him here with a spouse or another relative? That's parenting 101. The mother chose to take her child with her. Her choice. If we didn't do it, then the story would be we're separating families. You can't win. You go back to this day, they still, you know, they refer to me as the godfather of

• 2:11:33Speaker 03

  family separation, right? Because I was ICE director, we did zero tolerance. Where families were separated. And let me explain why we did that. Numbers were increasing. Families. So we said, all right, let's start prosecuting the parent who brings your child through this dangerous journey, prosecuting him for illegal entry, which is a crime. Maybe we prosecute him and put him in jail, they'll stop sneaking in the country through the cartels and put their children in harm's way. Maybe it'll decrease the amount of rapes we see down there. Maybe less children would die. So we decided to do zero tolerance. Zero tolerance was done to save lives, decrease sexual assaults.

• 2:12:20Speaker 03

  May per, you know, and as a cop, law enforcement use zero tolerance across this country all the time. July 4th weekend, zero tolerance in DUI, zero tolerance on prostitution in the city. Law enforcement use zero tolerance, but let's try zero tolerance, maybe we save some lives, maybe less women get raped. However, when you prosecute that parent, they're going to be separated from the child. Child can't go to jail with a parent. Now that happens, US citizens, families across this country every day, thousands of times. When I was a cop in New York, I separated families. I arrested a father for DUI. I had a child in the car, guess what? They got, father went to jail, and many times the child would go to CPS if it wasn't someone to take care of him.

• 2:13:03Speaker 03

  Domestic violence, I separated that family when I was a cop. Father went to jail, separated from his kids. US citizen families get separated every day by law enforcement. It's sad. It's unfortunate, but necessary. So when we did zero tolerance, the whole focus of zero tolerance in my mind was less rapes, less people dying, less children, putting harms way. And it worked. Zero tolerance for the crossing trap. So, homins are racist, is cruel because he separated families.

• 2:13:34Speaker 03

  That's why we did it. Now you got 500,000 children were smuggling this country away from their families, putting the hands of criminal cartels. So that's the family separation right there.

• 2:13:48Speaker 03

  If I left my kid in the car for half hour, when they got groceries, I'd be arrested. If I left my dog in my car during summertime, I'd get arrested. But 500,000 children were put in the hands of criminal cartels, separated from their families. No one talks about that. They still want to talk about zero tolerance, but no one talks about these half a million kids. 300,000 they can't find.

• 2:14:10Shawn Ryan?

  300,000 kids they can't find?

• 2:14:13Speaker 03

  They don't want to talk about that. They want to keep talking about Trump's zero tolerance for, I think, you know, 25, 3,000 separations. They didn't want to talk about the hundreds of angels and moms, angel moms and dads that I personally met and talked to.

• 2:14:31Speaker 03

  Who buried their children. Their children was were raped and murdered by a cartel or just simply killed by an illegal alien that shouldn't be in this country. That's a that's a separation because they buried their children. Their children are six foot under. No one wants to talk about that. The left keeps talking about zero tolerance, how inhumane the Trump policies were, but they ignore half a million kids, 300,000 missing. And US citizen parents who buried their children. Like the case of Lake and Riley, I can see their name on 100, 100 cases like that. They don't want to talk about that. And then Senator Van Hollen goes down there to protect the MS-13 gamer while a mother

• 2:15:13Speaker 03

  of five was beat, raped, and murdered in his state. Did you ever go meet with her? Politics over public safety, politics over common sense. Again, I'll say it. They need to love this country. They need to love their communities more than to hate President Trump. It just don't make sense. As a kid that grew up in law enforcement community, I cannot believe where we're at in this nation right now.

• 2:15:53Speaker 03

  President Trump is doing the right thing every day. Look, I I spent so much time with the president, whether it's in the Oval Office, Air Force One, outside events. People can hate him all they want. This man loves this country. He's doing the right thing for this country. The America we grew up in, the America I grew up in, West Coast, New York, a flag and a report, that's the America he wants back. Securing the border saves lives. He has aluminum gas on 96%.

• 2:16:31Speaker 03

  Studies have been done that women who make that journey get sexually, thirty-one percent of women get sexually assaulted.

• 2:16:38Speaker 03

  When President Trump has immigration down ninety-six percent, when ninety-six percent less people are coming, how many women aren't being raped? How many children aren't dying? How many Americans aren't dying from drug overdoses while fat and all comes across that border? How many women and children aren't sex trafficked? How many members of terrorist watch lists or no-fly lists aren't coming across that border? Even the wall saves lives. People say, "Trump's family," well, no. Every place that built a border barrier, illegal immigration went down, illegal drug flow went down. Every place that put a border barrier. The most important thing about a border barrier, no one talks about, is it saves lives.

• 2:17:21Speaker 03

  Because the most vulnerable, the women and children, can't get over that wall. Which means they're going to do a place where there's not a wall. And what's waiting on them? The men and women of the border patrol, who's going to deal with that humanitarian issue right now, because a lot more are in bad shape when they find them. Wall saves lives. So when ninety-six percent less people are coming, how many lives are being saved every day on that southwest border? President Trump's saving thousands of lives. A secure border saves lives, and that's what the President Trump has done. And the left will give him zero credit for it.

• 2:17:51Shawn Ryan?

  How, how did you come in and secure that border so fast?

• 2:17:56Speaker 03

  We got a great President. President Trump, during his first speech at the Capitol, when he says, "You didn't need new laws, you didn't need Congress, you need a new President," he was exactly right. Because on Trump forty-five, he was a game changer, right? He created the Remain in Mexico program. He had the Third Safe Country Agreement. He stopped, ended catch and release. So we, I knew, when he came back in office, we know where to start, because we already proved these policies worked. So, he immediately rolled serious them, exactly the orders. You know, a lot, many to say, many new ones. And like I said, in seven weeks, we're at that border at the highest level ever.

• 2:18:40Speaker 03

  Even more now. I mean, I think at seven weeks I had it down like over ninety percent. Now we're at ninety-six percent. Damn. And the numbers are extraordinary because what he came up with in his first administration proved it worked. That's why I pushed back against the bill that the Congress had. They said that President Trump didn't want the board bill signed because he wanted this to be an election issue. That is such bullshit. That bill would not have worked because it was going to allow, you know, five, four to five thousand a day until they take action. You know, you do the math. That's one point eight million a year. We're okay with that? No, we're not. Shouldn't be okay with one. And then to address the sex trafficking or

• 2:19:25Speaker 03

  the child trafficking, the bill was terrible. There was a bill called H R two that the Republicans came up with and the Senate wouldn't even take it up for debate. So the bill that everybody talks about that President Trump shut down, I hope he did. I was against it. I said, it won't work. So why would we want to take a risk on a bill that we know it won't work and we know what the secret recipe is, is what Trump did in Trump forty-five, which H R two, the bill I was talking about that the Senate wouldn't even bring up, that had most of Trump's plans in it. We know that worked. Why would you argue against known success? Well, here's what they did. They put this terrible bill up, had a couple of people in the Republican Party support it for reasons I don't understand. They thought something

• 2:20:08Speaker 03

  was better than nothing, maybe? But they came up with the bill, the last of the administration, trying to show they cared about the border. What they did, it was a setup. Let's get a couple of Republicans to agree to this. It will never pass. We know it will never pass. Then we say, Republicans shut down border security. They didn't want to fix it. They didn't sign this bill. President didn't support it. He didn't want it fixed. He wanted this to be an election issue. That was a bunch of crap. The bill wouldn't have worked. It would have made things worse. I've done this for a long, I've done it longer. Anybody up on the Hill that was involved in writing this bill has been involved. It was a setup. Let's, let's set a bill up. We know it never passed and we can put the blame on them for not passing the bill. That was their game plan. They tried it, but President Trump

• 2:20:53Speaker 03

  came back in, he did what he had to do, and we fixed it. Again, most secure border ever right now.

• 2:20:59Shawn Ryan?

  So it sounds like he basically just said, Tom, take the gloves off. What, secure the border. What did you do? What did you do to fix it?

• 2:21:11Speaker 03

  The biggest game changer in securing the border was President Trump and his executive orders. They're, they're huge, big game changers. But we, we basically went down the same road we did before. You know, we, and, and we added a few other things to it, like the Alien Emis Act. We used every tool in the toolbox. Every, every statute we could, every angle we could of existing laws, existing statutes, existing acts to secure that border. We, we were making the border patrol problem, or an ICE problem, we made it all a government problem. Uh, the game changer was President Trump. The game changer was the men and women ICE, and the men and women of border patrol that actually did it. Got, got, took construction, got it done. They're the heroes in all this. I'm just a guy sitting in the, the, the White

• 2:21:56Speaker 03

  House, helping develop the strategies, and all these people like Steve Miller and others. But, uh, President Trump, his EOs were a game changer from day one. You know, Remain in Mexico, a game changer. It's probably, out of all the policies, the last two administrations, Trump administration, that's, that's the biggest game changer. You can still claim asylum. You have that right, but you're going to wait in Mexico. Because we know nine out of 10 of you will lose and get order removal, and now we don't have to go find you. And releasing people in the United States just is an enticement. People come. When you're longer here, releasing in the United States, if you're not really escaping fear and persecution, you're not willing to give your life savings to the criminal cartels to lose your case.

• 2:22:37Speaker 03

  If you really are escaping fear and persecution from your home government, then you, you're willing to put up with that.

• 2:22:44Speaker 03

  So, you know, here's a sad thing, where the left is still saying, you know, these people are asylum seekers, they have a right to due process, they have a right to claim asylum. Okay, and nine out of ten been ordered removed, and you don't want them removed. Due process doesn't mean squat if at the end of due process, the judge's order isn't executed. And that's why the hate right now, that the talk of a massive deportation operation is racist. What a terrible thing to do. No, it's not. On the end of historic illegal immigration crisis with 10.5 million, and that's a low number, came to the son of this, what we know about, tens of millions of people come to the border,

• 2:23:27Speaker 03

  you demand due process, and we give them that due process, and a judge orders them removed, and we don't remove them? Then what the hell are we doing? Shut down immigration court, doesn't mean anything anymore. Take the border, you're off the border because there's no consequence. No. Due process doesn't mean squat if the final decision of the court isn't executed. If the message we want to send to the whole world, enter the country illegally, it's a crime, thousands of people die making the journey, show up in court or don't show up in court, get order removed, like, don't worry, no one's looking for you, you don't have to be removed, you're never going to solve the problem. You can't demand due process, ignore the end. So that's exactly what we're

• 2:24:09Speaker 03

  doing. People who've been ordered deported, they need to go home. But we're asking, if you're in the country illegally, go on your own. Go on the CBP Home app now, sign up, we'll help you get home, we'll give you an airline ticket, put some cash in your pocket, go home. It'd be a huge cost savings for the American taxpayer. That way, you can come back, maybe in the future, on a legal program, maybe as a visitor, or maybe as a student, maybe you have a US citizen child that can petition for you someday, alien relative. But we have to go search for you and go through your whole process, having you formally deported, there's certain bars placed on you statutorily, anywhere from five to 20 years, you can't come back. Leave on your own.

• 2:24:52Speaker 03

  Get your affairs in order, work with ICE, and leave on your own. And that's what President Trump, you know. How was that inhumane? President Trump's offering different ways to get this done. But the answer is, you can't stay here if you're in the country illegally. You've had your due process, it's time to leave. We can't send a message that our process mean nothing, our laws mean nothing.

• 2:25:17Shawn Ryan?

  I would imagine you're getting a lot of pushback from cartels, I mean.

• 2:25:21Speaker 03

  I get a lot of.

• 2:25:22Shawn Ryan?

  Very much disrupting their financials with human trafficking, with drug trafficking, with anything else that's coming in. I mean, how is, what kind of, what kind of hurdles are you facing from cartels down there?

• 2:25:34Speaker 03

  Well.

• 2:25:37Speaker 03

  The cartels are trying to, you know, they're going to change their method of operate. They're going, they're going, they want to get their product in here somehow. So I said earlier, you know, maritime's increasing, there can be tunnels, they'll come through Canada. You know, again, we're on top of it, I think that's why President Trump is, is forcing Canada to do more to secure their southern border, our northern border. And, and, and they're, they're stepping up some ways, like President wants more out of them. But addressing how the cartels change their method of operation is, is important.

• 2:26:09Shawn Ryan?

  Are you seeing a lot of drone activity with product coming over?

• 2:26:13Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:26:13Shawn Ryan?

  How are you?

• 2:26:13Speaker 03

  Drone activity is picking up and there's, but there's a lot of technology. Do you have some great technology along with, there's a lot of companies out there at the table now with great drone technology to address that threat. There was some television reports saying they're going to deliver explosives and drones and try to harm us.

• 2:26:32Speaker 03

  If that was ever to happen. Oh, hell's going to break loose.

• 2:26:37Shawn Ryan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:26:37Speaker 03

  Because President Trump will not tolerate it.

• 2:26:40Shawn Ryan?

  Are you guys?

• 2:26:41Speaker 03

  I said from day one, he will wipe them off the face of the earth, and he will. He's already trying to talk to Mexico, let's take the cartels out together. I think you and I both know, it's going to take, it's going to take the United States, it'll take this country, whether it's special forces, our intelligence, or whatever it is. They're not going to do it without, they can't. Mexico has failed for decades to take out the cartels. It's going to take leadership from the United States. I hope Mexico comes to the table because President Trump wants to. Wipe them off, face the earth like he did the caliphate. I mean, he wants to do the right thing. I hope Maxwell steps up and lets us do it because that's, that's the only way it's gonna get done. In my opinion.

• 2:27:20Shawn Ryan?

  Are you guys utilizing companies? Are you familiar with Eperus?

• 2:27:25Speaker 03

  No, I'm not.

• 2:27:25Shawn Ryan?

  Eperus is that anti-drone?

• 2:27:28Speaker 03

  I can tell you that numerous drone operators have contacted me about helping on the border and I send them over to CBP, custom border operations. I, I don't do contracts, but I send them over to the right people. I know they talked to a lot of people. They got some great technology down there now. Again, as we get more budget from Congress, we can do more of that. But there's a lot of great companies out there that has great technology. I've said it from day one, we could not do what we do as a whole, the government, without smart contract personnel. It's like our detention operations. Our contract companies do it better than we've ever done it. They do it cheaper, they do it better. Those ice trucks, my most expensive beds were the ones that we owned.

• 2:28:13Speaker 03

  I don't think the government knows anything very cheap. There's a lot of smart companies out there coming to the table. Of course, you know, the left will say, well, they're prisons for hire, prisons for profit. There isn't a company out there that doesn't work for the government for a profit. I mean, you know, if that's the case, then shut Tom McDonald Douglas, you know, every company makes a profit dealing with the United States, but they, they provide a service we need. But I can tell you, there's a lot of high-tech companies. It seems like technology improves every, over a month. Great drone technology, great tunnel technology. Uh, uh, helping us find people that don't want to be found. Great AI-generated stuff. There's a lot of stuff out there that, um, a lot of companies are coming to the table wanting to help. So, and we welcome all of it.

• 2:28:56Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, I mean, like, just Eperus, for example, I mean, it's a, it's a directed EMP pulse that takes. Hundred drones out at once if cartel were to utilize that and so I was just wondering if you're putting if you're implementing that technology along the border unmanned vehicles the heparus energy wave weapon to take out drones all that kind of stuff. How is how is DOD integrating with Border Patrol on the border?

• 2:29:28Speaker 03

  They've been fantastic. They do a lot of intelligence back and forth. They do they do a lot of things that doesn't require immigration authority, a badge and gun. We've done 287 Geo National Guard on the interior. My goal was and the White House goal is we need as many Title VIII immigration enforcement officers with a badge and gun, many of them on the street or on the line as possible. We don't want them sitting there doing intelligence. We don't want them to sit there, you know, building infrastructure or transportation. Put the badge and guns where they're needed the most and bring other people in the other. I went down El Paso, watched DOD down there in action. They're doing they're doing a

• 2:30:12Speaker 03

  lot of the intelligence. They're they they got great capability to tell them where the groups are crossing, where they're coming to, where they and war talk responding immediately to them. They do a lot of the radar technology, their camera technology. They basically call out to ICE, okay, you got a group coming here or there. It just saves our resources because rather than our guy operating the sensor or operating the camera, you got DOD doing that. That's just more agents on the street to respond quicker. So they've been a great force multiplier. Of course, the DOD airplanes, the removal flights have been fantastic. You know, DOD stepping up with facilities, Gitmo and things like that. DOD's

• 2:30:53Speaker 03

  been a game changer. And I went to El Paso with Pete Hexeth and he's all in. I mean, he like I said, he told me he told me that, you know, it's great that DOD is protecting our border now because they protect everybody else's border for decades. It's a game changer. When I go on the streets with ICE and I I go to raids, I like to get out there. I miss it. So I go out there raids once in a while and rather than just seeing a Jack says ICE, I see Jack say ATF, DEA, FBI, you know, State Department.

• 2:31:25Shawn Ryan?

  Everybody's working together.

• 2:31:30Speaker 03

  President Trump this time came back stronger and harder. And I think that's why we had the greatest success right now. Because he brought the all of government. Because again, I think the overarching principle here. You can't have strong national security. If you don't have strong border security. We didn't know what's coming in, who's coming in, why it's coming in, where it's coming in. So I think President Trump recognizes that. So he put the all of government on there. And like I say, today, we got the most secure border in the history of this nation. Because of this out of the box thinking on this. I think, I think other administrations will be envious of the success that President Trump's had.

• 2:32:07Shawn Ryan?

  Has there been any kinetic pushback from cartels? Is there any combat going on down at the border?

• 2:32:19Speaker 03

  There's combat going on in the interior of Mexico. Because now they're fighting each other for control of plazas because they're losing money. So they want bigger control. There's been a battle going on down there for a while. You don't hear, read a lot about it. I know people that have that intelligence. My fear, as I mentioned before, my fear is that violence overlaps the border. I actually say a prayer every night for the man that went to the border to go home safe every day. Because I feel like it's a matter of time. I hope I'm wrong. But especially in sanctuary cities.

• 2:33:02Speaker 03

  Where they're knocking on the door of a bad guy. Where he has access to who knows what. When he could have gotten into county jail. I hope I'm wrong. But the odds of us doing this for four years with nobody being harmed, concerns me. Our officers are at great risk. Because we are prioritizing the worst of the worst. And so many criminals came in under Biden. So many public safety threats, national security threats. I mean, our agents are being doxxed. Pictures and home addresses being put out there. You know, I mean, I get doxxed every day. I mean, I'm used to it.

• 2:33:46Speaker 03

  I had a thousand protesters on my home the other day. Thousand.

• 2:33:52Speaker 03

  They're not gonna, you know, it's a waste of our time. You can, you can excise your first amendment rights all you want, but Tom Homan's gonna keep doing what he's doing. I'm not going anywhere. Um, but the agents, I'm, I, I'm concerned about the agents and the media doesn't help. They, when they, you know, when they, they, they call them thugs and, and they're violating people's rights and they're violating civil rights or violating due process, a bunch of bullshit. These men and women are very well trained. And as one stepped online once more, yeah, you got bad dentists, you got bad doctors, you got bad lawyers, and I'm sure we have some bad officers that don't, here and there, but 99% of these men and women, you know, strap a gun to a hip

• 2:34:36Speaker 03

  every day, put a Kevlar vest on, and they don't make a lot of money. And they get vilified, just like the Horse Patrol did. They don't deserve that. And, you know, but they got a president now, rather than sit at the White House podium vilifying them for something they didn't do. You got a president has her six.

• 2:34:58Shawn Ryan?

  How is it working with the Mexican government? Are they on board? Are they helping at all?

• 2:35:05Speaker 03

  Mexico stepped up. I mean, they've, uh, they put military on their border. Um, they've agreed to remain in Mexico and, and stage progress. Um, we got a top president. He's not gonna take no for an answer. You know, it's against the law in Mexico to trafficking women and children. They need a prosecutor. It's against the law in Mexico to transit that country. If you're from another country, you got a transit visa, but they allowed it. So President Trump, and Joe Biden could have done this. Strong president would do it. Strong president came in, he was, he's not gonna take no for an answer. You know, during Trump 45, I remember, you know, after

• 2:35:49Speaker 03

  Operation Matador, arrest all these El Salvador and MS-13 gang members on the way home on Air Force One, the president asked me how soon we can get them out. I told him it's a long drawn out process. El Salvador pushes back on return of criminals.

• 2:36:04Speaker 03

  I think it was two, three days later, I got a call, how many planes can we fill up? President Carl Al Sardos, you know, you're gonna take them back. You know, the third safe country agreements, they didn't want to sign those bills, the president held them accountable. Mexico, Trump forty-five, you know, he said, you don't tariff them, you know, President Trump puts America first. So Mexico's helping. I don't know how much it is, they want to help, or how much they have to help because you got a strong president in the White House. I mean, I don't get, Marco Rubio and the president has those discussions, the vice president, I can just tell you that Mexico has a lot of resources on the border now.

• 2:36:45Speaker 03

  And there's some intelligence that are taking on some of the fat now, but we'll see.

• 2:36:53Shawn Ryan?

  What would you like to see DOD do? Would you like to see SOCOM, JSOC units going to Mexico? And raid the cartel?

• 2:37:05Speaker 03

  I won't get ahead of the president on that. But I don't think the cartels are gonna go away without US involvement. President Trump did it, ISIS, we show, we're really good at the way game. I think when it comes to criminal cartels, we gotta play the way game. Stop the poison before it gets here. Then, of course, on this side of the border, we gotta address the drive, the need for drugs like that. We gotta address that, our customers, so, but do I think the criminal cartels are gonna go away without our involvement? Absolutely not.

• 2:37:44Shawn Ryan?

  I don't know.

• 2:37:45Speaker 03

  Mexico has failed in decades to do it. And like I say, a lot of Mexico's corrupt.

• 2:37:50Shawn Ryan?

  They run Mexico. I mean, they're infiltrated in everything.

• 2:37:52Speaker 03

  Much of the Mexican military is corrupt, much of the Mexican law enforcement is corrupt, much of the Mexican government's corrupt. And many of them don't want to be corrupt, but you take the payoff and do what we tell you to, it will kill you and your family, and they will. So, you know, I think... If we were to wipe the cartels off the face of the earth, Mexico would be such a better country. It'd be a safer country. A self ruling country where cartels don't, don't own the military and law enforcement and some government officials. I think, I think in the long run, Mexico would be such a, a, a, a better country if they, they had the cartels operating there. So I think President Trump did exactly the right thing, designated terrorists. I think he's doing the right thing, offering Mexico his assistance and taking them out.

• 2:38:37Shawn Ryan?

  Do you think we'll see any action in the next three and a half years?

• 2:38:43Speaker 03

  I think that President Trump's going to do what he can to protect the American people.

• 2:38:48Shawn Ryan?

  How is it working with Kristi Noem?

• 2:38:52Speaker 03

  Kristi Noem's come to the table, I mean, uh, she, uh, she's done more, I've seen her out there an awful lot. She's done more enforcement actions than Mayorkas did in four years. So she's out there, she's, I saw her out there the other day, uh, taking on Governor Pritzker, which should have been taken care of. But she's out there working, I saw her doing ride alongs with ICE and Border Patrol and Coast Guard. So she's out there with the men and women on the front line, which I think's great. I think it shows the men and women that she's supporting them. Of course now she's being vilified, right? She's, so she's being attacked. I watched her hearing the other day, I thought she did great. They want to attack, anything to do with immigration enforcement, anything to do with deportations.

• 2:39:35Speaker 03

  They're just, they're going to continue to attack and attack and attack. But again, we all expect to that.

• 2:39:41Shawn Ryan?

  The media is saying that you're deporting US citizens. Is there any truth to that?

• 2:39:47Speaker 03

  No, it's illegal to deport US citizens. We simply allow illegal alien parents to be deported to take, if they want to take their child with them who may have been born here. That's their decision. They can leave them here and take them with them. I mean, that's a, that's parenting one on one. And like I said, you know, if, if we didn't allow the mother to take her child with her, then the media would be saying. Trump administration is separating families again. We're trying to keep families together. I said it during the interview before the election. I always ask that question. How do you do a mass deportation operation while separating families? Let's deport the family together. If you're in this country illegally, and you know you're in the country illegally,

• 2:40:30Speaker 03

  and you choose to have a child here, who's going to be a US citizen based on that? You put yourself in that position. Not Tom Homer, not President Trump, not the Trump administration. You made that decision to have a child while you're here, knowing you're in the country illegally and you're most likely to be deported. That's on you. So when that parent gets ordered deported, they have a choice to make. They made a choice about having a childhood. Now you need to make a choice. Take the child with you as a parent, or leave him here with the other parent, or leave him here with relatives. That is your call. So it's parenting 101. Let the parent make the decision. But for those that vilify us, no. They put themselves in that position, now they gotta deal with it.

• 2:41:13Shawn Ryan?

  But where'd they even come up with this shit? Are they just making stories up on the air?

• 2:41:19Speaker 03

  Well, they say because you're a citizen, children, when their parents were deported children. Absolutely not deported children. And others saying why the child wasn't given due process. What do you mean due process? They're an infant. The mother says, "My infant goes with me." Who's going to disagree with that? She's the mother. So, you know, like I say, the last administration wanted to take zero tolerance separating families. This time, we're trying to keep families together. We can't do that either. I mean, we're doing the right thing. Parenting 101. I mean, again, if we send the message, you can enter this country illegally. You can order removed, don't leave.

• 2:42:02Speaker 03

  Hide out for a few years, have a US citizen child, and guess what? Now you're immune. That court order doesn't mean anything. You're immune from our laws. If that's the message we're going to send to the whole world, you're never going to solve the problem. They're going to keep coming to this country, have a US citizen child, and you're good to go. That's the message we can't send. Having a US citizen child does not make you immune from our laws.

• 2:42:33Shawn Ryan?

  Where do you go from here? I mean, you've secured it to 96.

• 2:42:37Speaker 03

  We've got a little more work to do on the border and it's still a crisis until we, you know, there are some gotaways we're concerned about. Who are they? Are they people from terrorist related countries? We don't know. So we got to drill some of those things, drill down some of the things. Northern border needs more work, maritime needs more work. But right now we got the most secure border in history nation right now. So we got some more work to do. Um, got to play the way game more. We need to address the cartels outside this country who traffic people from all over the world. We got to shut them down. So we had to play the way game. Uh, interior enforcement, we got a lot of work to do. Uh, you know, personally, I think it's over 20 million illegal aliens in this country. They keep saying 12 million. We've been using 12 million for two decades.

• 2:43:22Speaker 03

  I mean, Biden administration alone, we know they released at least six to seven million released. So, you know, I, I think it's at least 20. We got a lot of work to do here. Again, we're going to concentrate on the worst first, but just because, I make this clear, just because we're concentrating on the worst first, doesn't mean we ignore everybody else. You know, I may prioritize my family life over my work life. I don't forget about my work life. If you're in the country legally, you got a problem. You're not off the table, but we're going to do this wise. We're going to do it a smart way. Once the public safety threats and national security threats, they're the biggest danger to the community, so of course they have to go first. Uh, so we got more interior enforcement work to do. We need to shut down sanctuary cities. Sanctuary cities should be illegal.

• 2:44:05Speaker 03

  Uh, and I, I think we got the right people in place now with this administration and Pam Bondi and others that will take sanctuary cities to task, take them to court. Uh, we got to shut down progressive judges who simply are ignoring the law and, and trying to stop us from doing what we're doing. I think we'll win these cases when they get to higher courts, but it's just, it's going to take a long time.

• 2:44:27Shawn Ryan?

  Will we see a completion to the wall that, that was?

• 2:44:30Speaker 03

  We're already rebuilding the wall. Again, the more money we have, the more wall we can do. So again, we need Congress to fund this. The more money we have, the more we can do.

• 2:44:42Shawn Ryan?

  Where are the strategic locations where you would start with the wall?

• 2:44:49Speaker 03

  The border has a strategic plan based on the crossings, based on where they think where traffic has historically come and where they're seeing dial, what a few coming across. That plan changes all the time, based on intelligence, based on what they're finding out down south. So that changes all the time. But border, they just don't put a wall up here because it's cheaper. They don't put a wall up here because someone wants a wall there. Border actually has a strategic plan built on intelligence and crossings, information from the smuggling cartels about where their activities are switching to, then they'll place a wall where it makes more sense. I don't want to give specifics because that specific will change next month.

• 2:45:34Speaker 03

  Gotcha. Well, there's, you know, there's places where a wall can't be built, right? Like in the national parks, we'll need more technology there because you can't build a wall like this. There are some areas where there's natural cliffs. That's where you put, you know, anti-drone technology and more technology. What the Biden administration did when they stopped building the wall, even some of the wall that was built, they wouldn't even finish the technology inside that wall, smart technology that allows agents to communicate, allows agents to run quick record checks. You know, you approach that wall, you dig under that wall, you find that wall, well, no. There's a lot of technology in that wall. They stopped the technology in that wall. There's places on the border agents can't talk to one another.

• 2:46:17Speaker 03

  So not only we, we got finished technology in some of the existing wall, but we're building more smart wall. Smart walls, it's a wall system. It's just not a wall. A lot of technology in that wall. You got access to that wall, pathways, agents can respond quickly. So there's a lot to it, but we're always starting to rebuild it. We're also putting, I think, right, we're always, we're already doing 75 miles of buoy barriers in the river, which are very effective. What are those? There are buoys that float in the middle of the real grid and almost impossible to get over. And.

• 2:46:56Speaker 03

  Underneath it, there's a, there's a fencing underneath, it goes all the way to the soil through, it's their game changer. Uh, on Trump forty-five, we looked at that technology, we liked it. Of course, then the election happened, never happened. Uh, but now, I, I think they're putting seventy-five miles of it in more, and that's right on the water. So people stop, they see the barrier, most will not attempt to cross, which means less drowned. A lot of people drown in that river every year. So when they see that barrier, saves lives, and less people want to take that barrier on. I mean, a lot of illegal aliens die in that river. People think that river doesn't have a current, you're wrong. Hundreds of people die in that river every year. Not now, for the more secure. Well, Trump

• 2:47:41Speaker 03

  administration, they, they, now when you, you see people drown, they find dead bodies all the time, people just die crossing the river. Most, a lot of people can't swim.

• 2:47:51Shawn Ryan?

  What is the, it's just a personal question, Vortec. Heard a lot about it, can't get anybody to talk about it. Seems like they're extremely well-trained, almost like a JSOC unit. What is, what is the mission of Vortec?

• 2:48:08Speaker 03

  They're kind of the Bortle SWAT team. They're badass.

• 2:48:12Shawn Ryan?

  That's what I hear.

• 2:48:13Speaker 03

  Guys are good. I mean, I was never in Vortec when I was in Bortle. I wasn't good enough. These guys are well-trained, great shots, well, they're great with a firearm. Now they're into rappelling and jumping on airplanes with, with that parachute. I mean, these guys are really, have increased their training, they're, they're incredible.

• 2:48:37Shawn Ryan?

  Is it, within the US border they operate, or do they go into Mexico too?

• 2:48:43Speaker 03

  They don't operate within Mexico, where they do operate in the border, in the interior. Uh, in my home state, New York, a couple prisoners escaped from Dannemar State Prison. They looked for them for a long time, couldn't find them, they brought Vortec in there. They found the first guy, well, they actually shot and killed the one, the one, the first one, second one was later caught. I had a prisoner escape in the jail, what, two years ago, couldn't find him, Bortle. Vortec's good. They're, they're, they're well-trained and, uh, and...

• 2:49:14Speaker 03

  It all started back in my day.

• 2:49:20Speaker 03

  I was a border patrol in Campbell, I worked down the San Diego area. Tijuana area. They had what they called the border bandit squad. Because bandits would work the border and they'd rip people off. Heading to the United States, take all the money, take their goods, rape women. So you had border bandits that are operating. So we got a border bandit patrol, which was border patrol, special operations, along with local sheriffs. Took a lot of those, they don't border bandits out. There was a lot of armed conflicts, a lot of shootings. But BORTAC, I would call it the SWAT team of the border patrol. And they're very, very well trained.

• 2:50:00Shawn Ryan?

  Well, Tom, we're wrapping up the interview here. Last question. Second to last question.

• 2:50:08Shawn Ryan?

  I just want to know, is there anything we didn't cover that you want the American people to know?

• 2:50:16Speaker 03

  I want the American people to know that, you know, the Trump administration, unlike what the media's pushing, is not inhumane.

• 2:50:25Speaker 03

  Everybody in this group is trying to save lives. As I said earlier, a secure border saves lives. We're looking at 300,000 children, the Biden administration reached the country to sponsor them, weren't properly vetted. Everybody in this program right now knows what it's like

• 2:50:45Speaker 03

  to see children forced sex trafficking or forced labor. I've seen a lot of tragedy in my life.

• 2:50:53Speaker 03

  And I'm simply trying to prevent as much of that tragedy as possible and secure border sex lives. I get called a lot of names, I don't care. I don't give a shit what people think about me, I don't. As long as my family, my Lord and Savior, think I'm doing the right thing, then I'm good.

• 2:51:11Speaker 03

  The hate doesn't mean anything. The protesters, I love them. That means my message is getting out, that means you're the target. We're saving lives every day. Secure border saves lives. Illegal immigration is not a victim's crime. People, you see an illegal alien, you say, okay, we hear him making a better life for himself and his family, he's working maybe in a restaurant or something. But you don't understand the whole ugly underbelly, what happens with these criminal cartels, what happens on that border. Illegal immigration is not a victim's crime. The system needs to be fixed. But until then, we can't allow people to come into this country unvetted. We can't allow the border to be a crime zone for 2,000 months, just can't allow that.

• 2:51:56Speaker 03

  A lot of bad things happen on that border, a lot of bad things come across that border. And with the Trump administration, I'm proud to say, again, I'll say a thousand times a day, the most secure border in the history of the nation today because of the leadership of President Trump, the men and women wearing that uniform.

• 2:52:12Shawn Ryan?

  Man, that's good to hear.

• 2:52:13Speaker 03

  So I like, you know, I've been all these stories about border patrol ICE agent, you know, for your viewers, if you see a border patrol agent, don't thank you. They're getting vilified every day by the media. ICE agents, they're getting vilified. Death threats are outrageous. Just give them a thank you. Because they really are. Two o'clock, three o'clock this morning, you're gonna be laying in bed, I'm gonna be laying in bed, hopefully we'll be sleeping. Next door, a loved one. At the same time, you got a border patrol agent standing on a dirt trail in the middle of nowhere because the sensor went off.

• 2:52:57Speaker 03

  So something's coming north on that dirt trail. They don't know, is an illegal alien looking for a better life? Or is it a heavily armed dog smeller? They don't know, they're gonna take it on. I know because I've done it. I stood on that dirt trail as a border patrol agent, shit in your pants, wondering what's coming. Were they gonna stay in there or take it on? They're doing this every night while we sleep, keeping this country safe. Men wearing ICE, they're getting vilified every day in the media, every morning I wake up, read all these stories about ICE agents, how terrible they are. People need to remember, the ICE agents and border patrol agents, they're mothers and fathers too.

• 2:53:37Speaker 03

  They don't hang their heart on a hook. They go to work. They've seen a lot of bad things happen that they take home to them every day. They take sicknesses home to their families. Whether it's TB, they get TB screenings all the time. They take sickness. These men, the Borb choles, they actually bring toys from their families to bring them to children to play with while they're in the facilities. They really do care. They really do have a great heart.

• 2:54:06Speaker 03

  Under the last four years on Biden administration, the record amount of Borb choices that committed suicide was highest ever. At over forty, I believe. Now, I don't know. Whatever internal struggles they were having. Giving CPR to babies. Talking little girls been raped. Finding dead bodies floating down the river.

• 2:54:31Speaker 03

  Seeing how these criminal cartels treated these people certainly weighed on them. To the point they took their own lives. These men and women are heroes and I hope the American people understands your heroes. Recognize them as heroes and thank them. That's all I ask for. I mean, I'll retire again, hopefully the last time. But I'll always have the six of these men and women because I was one of them. I know what it takes. They're the nation's finest. Our military and our first responders are America's finest one percent. I hope people recognize that.

• 2:55:09Speaker 03

  True Americans.

• 2:55:12Shawn Ryan?

  It's a great closing statement. Thank you. Last question. If you had three people you'd like to see on the show, who would it be?

• 2:55:21Speaker 03

  President Trump.

• 2:55:24Speaker 03

  You want him?

• 2:55:26Shawn Ryan?

  You bet.

• 2:55:27Speaker 03

  I think President Trump. I think he's, again. People have their opinions, but for a guy that does what I do. Greatest president in my lifetime. Because his proven success on the border.

• 2:55:47Speaker 03

  John Roberts.

• 2:55:50Speaker 03

  Get him out of the show and figure him out.

• 2:55:52Shawn Ryan?

  All right.

• 2:55:54Speaker 03

  Third.

• 2:56:02Speaker 03

  Let's go say Cash, we already had him.

• 2:56:10Speaker 03

  Stephen Miller.

• 2:56:13Shawn Ryan?

  We'll reach out.

• 2:56:14Speaker 03

  Stephen Miller has a...

• 2:56:18Speaker 03

  Has a great mind. He's, he's just brilliant. And I just with immigration, trade, I mean, just a smart guy. I think he'd have an interesting conversation.

• 2:56:30Shawn Ryan?

  I would love that. Maybe you can help me reach him.

• 2:56:34Shawn Ryan?

  Perfect.

• 2:56:34Speaker 03

  I'll see him in the morning.

• 2:56:36Shawn Ryan?

  All right. Well, Tom, I just want to say it was an honored interview and, uh...

• 2:56:42Speaker 03

  Pete Hegseth, number four.

• 2:56:44Shawn Ryan?

  Pete Hegseth? I'll work on him. He's been on before.

• 2:56:48Speaker 03

  He has?

• 2:56:48Shawn Ryan?

  So has President Trump. But I'll do it again.

• 2:56:52Speaker 03

  When, when was President Trump on?

• 2:56:56Shawn Ryan?

  I think it was... I think it was August.

• 2:57:01Speaker 03

  No, you gotta get him now.

• 2:57:02Shawn Ryan?

  All right.

• 2:57:03Speaker 03

  Look at what he's doing.

• 2:57:04Shawn Ryan?

  Put in a word for me.

• 2:57:06Speaker 03

  Look what he's doing right now. Now you need to talk to him.

• 2:57:09Shawn Ryan?

  All right.

• 2:57:11Speaker 03

  He's, he's changing the world.

• 2:57:12Shawn Ryan?

  We'll do what we can.

• 2:57:13Speaker 03

  All right, man.

• 2:57:14Shawn Ryan?

  All right. Well, thank you so much again and, uh... Man, you're just...

• 2:57:21Shawn Ryan?

  You're crushing it. And, uh...

• 2:57:22Speaker 03

  Appreciate you, man.

• 2:57:23Shawn Ryan?

  Good to see it.