429: Mom & Grandma Plot Murders, Can Lindsay Clancy Appeal?, OnlyFans Model Gets Away with Murder?

This week on Headline Highlights: Courtney Clenney takes a plea deal for manslaughter, avoiding a potential life sentence and leaving her with roughly 16 months left in prison. Week two of Lindsay Clancy’s trial brought emotional testimony about the children’s deaths, Lindsay’s mental health and injuries, and a courtroom controversy over a hot-mic comment during the autopsy evidence. Jesse Butler’s case was dismissed after he completed a youthful-offender program without serving jail time, but the DA is now seeking federal review amid explosive allegations and claims of innocence. The Lily Peters murder case could end before trial as a sealed resolution hearing is set for August 26th. A New York mother and grandmother allegedly poisoned and killed four children while believing they were “protecting” them. And a North Dakota mother is accused of attacking her three children, killing two and critically injuring another.. Lily Peters: 10 Year Old BRUTALLY Murdered By 14 Year Old Cousin | Carson Peters Berger🔗https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8aAqI-5F1w. If you’re new here, don’t forget to follow the show for weekly deep dives into the darkest true crime cases! To watch the video version of this episode, head over to youtube.com/@annieelise. .🔎Join Our True Crime Club & Get Exclusive Content & Perks..🎧 Need More to Binge? Listen to both of my weekly true crime series 10 to Life & Serialously with Annie Elise wherever you get your podcasts on the Annie Elise Channel!🍎 Apple Podcasts | Where you can also unlock access to 100+ and growing extra exclusive deep dives.💚 Spotify🔴 YouTube🎙️ All Other Platforms.📸 Follow Annie on Socials Instagram: @_annieeliseTikTok: @_annieeliseSubstack: @annieeliseFacebook: @10toLife.⭐SponsorsIM8: Go to http://IM8HEALTH.com/ae and use code AE for a Free Welcome Kit, five free travel sachets, plus 10% off your order. Jolie: Try Jolie risk-free for 60 days by going to http://jolieskinco.com/AE..👗 Shop Annie’s Must-Haves! ShopMY: bit.ly/AnnieElise_ShopMy Amazon: bit.ly/AnnieElise_Amazon.🫵🏻 Get Involved or Recommend a CaseAbout Annie: www.annieelise.comFor Business Inquiries: [email protected].📚 Episode Sources CourtTV | Daily Mail | FOX 9 | Kailey Facebook Page | NBC News | New York Post | People | The Sun | TMZ | USA Today | WCAX | WFLX••••••••••••••••••🚨Disclaimers1️⃣ Some links may be affiliate links, they do not cost you anything, but I make a small percentage from the sale. Thank you so much for watching and supporting me. 2️⃣ Sources used to collect this information include various public news sites, interviews, court documents, FB groups dedicated to the case, and various news channel segments. When quoting statements made by others, they are strictly alleged until confirmed otherwise. Please remember my videos are my independent opinion and to always do your own research. 3️⃣ The views and opinions expressed in this video are personal and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of any other agency, organization, employer, or company. Assumptions made in the analysis are not reflective of the position of any entity other than the creator(s). These views are subject to change, revision, and rethinking at any time and are not to be held in perpetuity. We make no representations as to the accuracy, completeness, correctness, suitability, or validity of any information on this video and will not be liable for any errors, omissions, or delays in this information or any losses, injuries, or damages arising from its display or use. All information is provided on an as-is basis. It is the reader’s responsibility to verify their own facts.

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• 1:14Annie Elise?

  Hey, true crime besties. Welcome back to an all new episode of Serialistly.

• 1:37Annie Elise?

  Hello, hello, hello, and welcome back to an all new episode of Serialistly with me, your host by myself, without anybody else here. Nobody's in studio. Hello, Amy. There's no surprise element. Without the two cameras and without pushing you off screen because I'm not going to break my left thumb again. Although I will say to a lot of people, we're like, what do you mean a thumb, a left thumb is useless. I'm a lefty. And I'm like, okay.

• 2:05Speaker 03

  I know, but that was a pretty hard crash.

• 2:07Annie Elise?

  No, it was. I crashed and burned. So without two camera angles, without pushing you off screen, this is the only thing I can do for the element of surprise. So hello, to no surprise ever, Amy Collette is joining today.

• 2:21Speaker 03

  Thank you so much.

• 2:22Annie Elise?

  You know what? You're welcome. It's an honor. It's an honor. It's a gift, really.

• 2:27Speaker 03

  It is.

• 2:28Annie Elise?

  Um, okay, it's Thursday, which means headline highlights. And maybe we need to rename it HH8. Wait, hold on. I can't spell. HSHH. Holy shit headline highlights because there are so many crazy things we need to talk about today. Not only new cases, like I'll say, updates in cases, a lot of updates. We're going to be talking about the Courtney Clenney plea deal, the OnlyFans model, which by the way, I should be a freaking psychic because I called this last week. We're going to be talking about the mom and the grandma plotting together to annihilate the entire family. We're going to be talking about Lindsay Clancy and the trial that's going

• 3:10Annie Elise?

  on right now. I did put a deep dive out on Monday regarding all of the theories surrounding Patrick Clancy. And I spoke with an attorney, I'm not going to say who, but a friend of mine, and I have some interesting information that I want to share with you guys because my question was, after seeing all of the speculation, like, if Lindsay were starting to doubt herself right now and doubt that she really did do this, could there be an appeal? Could Patrick be charged for anything? Could she just, you know, get this overturned and take a shot at a new trial entirely and cast enough reasonable doubt? And I was like, I'm not obviously an expert to determine what is legal, what is ethically okay for her defense attorney to

• 3:51Annie Elise?

  do. So I had a professional weigh in and I'm going to share that with you. We are going to be talking about a new case breaking out of North Dakota, the disgusting human that is Jesse Butler. There is just a lot going on today. So as a reminder, I know I just briefly touched on it, two deep dives came out already this week that you can go listen to. On Monday, on this feed, the Serialistly feed, the deep dive into Patrick Clancy, Lindsay's husband, and the online speculation surrounding him and why people are suggesting that he was involved in this and that he spearheaded this and framed Lindsay and everything that rolls into that. And

• 4:32Annie Elise?

  then on Tuesday, I released a deep dive on the second True Crime podcast, 10 to Life, going into a horrible case in which this woman on, this woman on her wedding night was leaving with her husband. She got hit by a drunk driver, lost her life. You probably have seen bits and pieces of the body cam and interrogation footage of this drunk driver who had zero remorse at all. But there's so much more that goes into it. So that deep dive was released on Tuesday. So let's start with Courtney Clenney. Okay. And this is the one that we talked about last week a little bit too. She officially has taken a plea deal in the death of her boyfriend,

• 5:14Annie Elise?

  Christian Abensali. The sentence that she agreed to is a lot less than what she was facing if this were to go to trial. And as a reminder, Courtney Clenney is the OnlyFans model. She lived in Florida with her boyfriend, Christian. A few years back, they got into an altercation. He ultimately knife wound to his, I guess you could just say shoulder. He bled out and he unfortunately died. She then was charged with his murder. She claimed it was self-defense. She claimed that she threw the knife from 10 feet away with such precision that it hit him, all of these things. There's a lot of evidence in this case. And we talked a little bit about that in last week's episode. There was a lot of body cam footage where she was dripped in

• 5:57Annie Elise?

  blood when officers arrived. There was elevator footage of them being very combative with one another. There was a lot. However, there was also some speculation and a couple of people coming forward with testimony about Christian's past that did not make him look very favorable to where we know all it takes is one juror to have a little bit of doubt in their mind, and that's all it takes. So when we first heard about the plea deal last week, without knowing the details, my thought was, oh, they're going to use that to cast doubt. They're scared they're not going to get this full 30 year conviction. Based on the evidence they do have, there's something in the discovery that is making them pause a little bit here. I think

• 6:39Annie Elise?

  they'll probably plead her down to seven years and probably down to manslaughter. And sure enough, on Monday, August 10th of this week, Courtney pleaded guilty to manslaughter, completely dropping the second degree murder charge that she had been facing, which would have held up to 30 years in prison. So under this plea agreement, Courtney and prosecutors agreed on a sentence of six years. So I was one year off, six years in state prison. But here's the catch here. She also gets credit for time already served because she's been in jail for years now awaiting trial. And so because she's already been in custody for about four years, she only has two years left to serve based on the paperwork. And once everything shuffles

• 7:24Annie Elise?

  out and good behavior and all of these things, they believe she probably will only serve 18 to 20 months left on, out of all of this. Her attorney also pointed out that there is additional time that Courtney had spent in custody in Hawaii back on August 2nd, 2022. So they believe that that should also be credited toward her sentence. So depending on exactly how that additional credit is calculated, she could potentially be looking at even less time, if you can believe it. And honestly, when you compare what she was facing before this deal took place, it's a pretty big difference because if she would have been convicted of second degree murder at the end of her trial, she was looking at a potential sentence of 30

• 8:07Annie Elise?

  years. I think it was actually 30 years to life, if I'm not mistaken. And only six years, or I'm sorry, of only a few years of credit, or you know, what am I trying to say? Yeah, thank you. Only a few years of time served. So like, a big chunk of her life. This is the deal of all deals. And I would not

• 8:30Speaker 03

  I don't think she got that.

• 8:31Annie Elise?

  Because I don't think they had enough evidence. I think there was something that was making them feel like there was going to be enough doubt.

• 8:36Speaker 03

  That is such a like, large discrepancy.

• 8:38Annie Elise?

  I know. And people are obviously outraged, which is completely understandable. I think that it's absolutely appalling that this woman is going to walk out of prison, probably the same time Diddy does, if we're being honest, and just gets to live her whole life, have her whole life ahead of her as if nothing ever happened. It's so sad. So, once she is done with her stint, she'll be out. However, that being said, she isn't completely done with the court system once she's released because she will have five years of probation. And within her first year out of prison, she also will be required to complete a mental

• 9:19Annie Elise?

  health evaluation, a batterer's intervention program, and a substance abuse treatment program. She also has to pay court costs, fines. I would imagine a wrongful death lawsuit is probably also going to be coming her way. So not entirely over, but you still get your freedom, something that Christian will never have.

• 9:39Speaker 03

  I can't imagine being his family.

• 9:40Annie Elise?

  I know. It's, it's devastating. So now, after more than four years in custody, she has officially avoided a murder conviction and possibly decades long of a prison sentence, which, again, like, what the hell? It's

• 9:57Speaker 03

  I was gonna say, there probably will be law- civil lawsuits and other things that are gonna come after.

• 10:03Annie Elise?

  I agree. I don't think his for- that his family is gonna go down quietly with this, not at all. Now, speaking of trial updates, let's talk really quickly about the Lindsay Clancy trial that's going on right now. Because we went through week two last week, we are in week three right now. And in this trial in total has brought some of the most difficult testimony that we have heard, right? Details about the injuries that were suffered by the children, Lindsay's own medical crisis, testimony from people who knew the family, the doctors, there was a brutal cross-examination earlier this week of one of her doctors. And last week, that being the second week, it started off with the injuries and the autopsies of the kids.

• 10:44Annie Elise?

  They also focused a lot on Lindsay's injuries and everything that she went through while she was hospitalized. And look, while I don't want to get overly graphic with what the children went through, I do think that, given all of the conversation right now out there about Patrick Clancy, Lindsay, I think people are not forgetting the children in all of this, but there is not a lot of focus on them and saying their names and remembering them. And I do want to go through what happened to these children. Just to, again, illustrate how bad this was, whether you believe it was a mental health crisis or Lindsay just being a cold-blooded murderer, or Patrick framing her and orchestrating this whole thing.

• 11:28Annie Elise?

  But doctors who treated five-year-old Cora testified that she arrived at the hospital blue and that she had bruising around her neck, broken blood vessels around her eyes, and blood coming from her nose. Doctors testified that they attempted to revive her for about thirty minutes before she was then pronounced dead. Doctors also talked about how eight-month-old Callan was initially revived and flown to Boston's Children's Hospital. There, doctors found ligature marks and swelling around his neck. His brain was swollen so severely that it had, quote, "overwhelmed the capacity of his skull." Although his heart started beating again, he was ultimately declared brain dead and then taken off life support.

• 12:09Annie Elise?

  They also talked a lot about Lindsay's injuries, and we know that she did have severe damage to her spine. She had a crushed thyroid, she had cuts to her neck and her wrists. Some of wi- some of, you know, some people say those cuts were not only superficial, but that because she was a nurse, they should have been vertical and they were horizontal, which to online users further credits their theories that Patrick is the one who inflicted these injuries. But last week, doctors talked about how she was unresponsive when she arrived at the hospital and how she was intubated before being transferred to another hospital's ICU. There, she went into cardiac arrest and she required a massive blood transfusion that the doctors said ended up saving her life.

• 12:54Annie Elise?

  Then, the trial turned toward the physical evidence inside the home. A Massachusetts State Police Crime Lab blood spatter expert and investigators were brought in to testify about what the scene looked like. However, shortly after, the defense agreed to stipulate certain evidence, including DNA from the exercise bands, autopsy details, and the handling of biological evidence. So this basically means that for the rest of the trial, prosecutors won't have to call in any other witnesses to establish the chain of custody for any of that evidence. And this was a pretty interesting take. I think that people were kind of saying, "Why waste all of the time with calling all of these witnesses if you're not gonna argue any of these points?"

• 13:37Annie Elise?

  Like, it just seems like an administrative task rather than anything else, so, you know, "Hey, we don't need to talk about the DNA, we don't need to talk about the autopsy details or any of that, or the handling of the biological evidence." Because, again, if it's a typical murder trial, similar to, say, Karen Reed, where they're challenging the collection of evidence, the glass, the blood spatter, all of these things, then yeah, they would want all of these witnesses in to testify to it because they're poking holes in it, as the defense attorney would do. But that's not what they're trying to do. They're just trying to illustrate whether or not Lindsay was legally insane at the time of these murders. So, I don't know. I thought that that was interesting, wasn't really expecting it, but I think it does save some time.

• 14:22Annie Elise?

  Now, one of the most emotional moments came when the family's former nanny testified. Elaine had worked with the Clancy family, starting in September of 2022. And she said that Cora was a girly girl through and through, that Dawson was energetic and silly, and Callan was the happiest, sweetest, easiest baby. As Elaine testified, you could see Lindsay become visibly emotional and sobbing beside her attorney. At one point, her attorney even, like, grasping her hand. Elaine also testified that Lindsay had told her that she, quote, "was suffering from postpartum", that she was seeing doctors, trying medications, and struggling with sleep. And when asked whether she ever had any concerns about Lindsay's interactions with her kids,

• 15:06Annie Elise?

  she said, "No, none at all. She's a wonderful mom. I observed a wonderful mom who loved her kids." The jury also heard from Lindsay's former father-in-law and some of their friends. They described her as, yeah, increasingly tired, sometimes distracted or quiet, and that she seemed a little bit withdrawn in the months before the children were killed. One friend testified that sometime shortly before January 24th, Lindsay told her that one of the medications was causing, quote, "dark thoughts", and that she was tapering off of it while trying new medications. However, Lindsay never went into detail as to what those dark thoughts were. That friend later visited Lindsay in rehab in March of 2023, so post the deaths.

• 15:49Annie Elise?

  And she testified that Lindsay didn't mention the deaths, she didn't cry about her children during that visit, and she was just very stoic. However, on cross-examination, she did clarify that the subject hadn't been brought up, and she remembered being told not to even discuss it. So Lindsay's not the one who brought it up in conversation. She was directed not to even discuss it, so of course, it didn't come up in conversation, rather than Lindsay being cold-hearted and callous and just not caring. So I would imagine, too, that that recommendation might have been based, um, been coming from Lindsay's mental health providers. So, finally, there was a lot of courtroom controversy. You may have seen clips of this on social media involving a hot mic moment.

• 16:31Annie Elise?

  During emotional testimony about the children's autopsies, Lindsay was crying and, obviously, very emotional as these photographs were being shown to the jury. But then, people overheard what they believe was the prosecution microphone picking up a comment that Lindsay's attorney believes said, "Shut her up", as if the prosecutors were so frustrated that she was pouring out all of this emotion and sad, and that that would sway the jury, so like, under their breath being like, "Shut her up, shut her up." The prosecution said that the comment was actually, quote, "Shut it off", referring to the pictures that were on the screen. Lindsay's attorney raised the issue, though, with the judge, demanding a sidebar,

• 17:13Annie Elise?

  even was quoted saying, "This is not like The Handmaid's Tale. You can't tape her mouth shut." And social media went wild with this, in favor of her attorney, because they believed that that's what they heard as well. The judge later warned everyone that any inappropriate or disruptive comments would absolutely not be tolerated and that said that anybody who was making those comments would immediately be removed from the courtroom. He specifically said, quote, "If anybody is found to make those comments, they will be immediately escorted out and barred. There are microphones all around, so if I get a report of that, there's going to be some serious issues and serious problems. There's going to be no warnings, no yellow card, you're out."

• 17:53Annie Elise?

  Now, I listened to this hot mic on repeat, and it's hard for me to say what I heard. I think it could have been "Shut it off", I think it also could have been "Shut her up", but I wasn't there, obviously. I don't truly know what was said. But that then now brings us into this week, and the theories are going even harder at Patrick that he did this, that he orchestrated it, he framed Lindsay, that she was so unwell that she truly believes that she did this, which is why she admitted to it, and that, you know, he's this master manipulator. So as I started thinking through that, because I'll get- I'll give you guys this, for those of you who do believe that,

• 18:34Annie Elise?

  there are a lot of questionable things that don't make sense, and there are a lot of inconsistencies. However, they are not fact-based inconsistencies. There isn't like a cold, hard fact that shows he did, in fact, change his clothes, he did change his shoes, he did use her Apple Watch, he did leave the window open. A lot of it is speculation and a lot of it is hearsay by other people and different third parties, but there isn't any actual factual evidence. But still, does not look great, and, like I said in my deep dive earlier this week, usually when something like this happens, I say, "Where there's smoke, there's fire." I don't necessarily believe that to be true in this case. I do think that Lindsay is the one responsible.

• 19:18Annie Elise?

  Do I think he was a shit husband? That he maybe contributed to her mental unrest? Yes, I do, but no, I don't think that he calculated these murders. But my point is, that as I was thinking through all of this, I was kind of wondering to myself, "Okay, clearly, the defense attorney, Kevin Reddington, is seeing all of this play out on social media." Even if he trusted his client and believed that her memory was intact and that she did do this, what if he had some sort of seed of doubt now, being like, "There are a lot of things that don't make sense", because a lot of people, too, are suggesting that he's laying the footwork for going after Patrick in the future,

• 19:59Annie Elise?

  which I do not think to be the case, but I could be wrong. But anyway, so I was thinking, "What if he is having this realization, along with social media, that Lindsay is, in fact, innocent and that Patrick did this?" Right now, in this trial, it's not about proving who did this or not, or if Lindsay did this or not. It's about proving her mental state at the time of the murders. So ethically speaking, even if he believed at this point she did not do this...

• 20:27Annie Elise?

  As a lawyer, ethically, what do you have to do in order, like, do you have to finish out the trial, still fight for her, still fight for it to be by reason of insanity? Or do you shift gears? If you do complete the trial and she does get found, um, you know, that she goes into a mental facility for the rest of her life? And then you, can you appeal that? And appeal the charge as a whole, based on new evidence? And say, "We actually don't even think that she committed this crime after all, so we're gonna appeal based on all of this new evidence and take this to trial as a murder trial, and there's enough doubt out there that we think she'll be exonerated." I don't know legally what you're allowed to do in that scenario, and what he would be allowed to do.

• 21:09Annie Elise?

  So I asked a friend of mine, and I'm not gonna put this friend on blast, because I don't think that they want to be named in all of this. I mean, maybe they don't care, but I still just wanna be careful. But let me read this to you. So I said, "Just curious, because this is obviously your area of expertise. If for some reason Kevin is seeing everything on social media right now, and thinks that there's even a sliver of doubt, once they determine at the end of this trial whether she was legally insane or not, could he potentially appeal the entire conviction and charge based on new evidence? For example, could he argue that this new information now casts doubt on whether Lindsay

• 21:51Annie Elise?

  actually committed the murders at all, and then get the conviction vacated? Then, take it to a new trial where the question is no longer insanity, but whether she actually did it? And then, bring all of this evidence, all of this speculation into that trial? Because even if none of it is cold, hard proof, there obviously seems to be enough speculation that I could see it creating some reasonable doubt with a jury. So could she theoretically end up getting off entirely that way? I just don't know how that works procedurally, since she already admitted to the killings, and the issue being tried right now is insanity, and if Kevin is already thinking that there could potentially be another avenue down the road, ethically speaking, is there any

• 22:32Annie Elise?

  issue with pursuing the insanity case now, but then later essentially arguing, "Actually, she may not have done it at all, after a verdict has already been reached"? And I guess more broadly, for the people who truly believe that Patrick did this, is there any legal avenue or opportunity for recourse at this point? Or has the case essentially gone too far down this path for that to even be possible? And then I said, "Sorry for the long ass message." They responded, "If she's convicted, she could claim ineffective assistance of counsel, or seek a new trial based upon new evidence. Even people who plead guilty can ask for a new trial if there is newly discovered exculpatory evidence. However, because of the defense in this case, she has likely given incriminating statements

• 23:16Annie Elise?

  already to forensic psychiatric experts, which could be used against her, and which the appeals court would consider. The new evidence would have to be newly discovered, strong, and exculpatory, not just standard reasonable doubt argument issues. That would have to take place for her to have any real chance of success at getting a conviction overturned." So, they can't bring in the evidence of the CVS footage, or the Apple Watch, or any of these other theories unless they did do their own independent investigation, and found concrete evidence that, for example, Patrick sent the email from his computer, not his

• 24:00Annie Elise?

  phone, inside the house, in the basement, at 5:24 PM. Like, because we know he did send that email, but he said it could have been sent from his phone, not just his Surface Pro. Or, we found the Apple Watch and the pings, and the Apple Watch did ping at CVS, it was with Patrick. Something that is like, concrete and definitive, not just theories. If it were a murder trial right now, the theories could come in all day long, right? You're casting doubt. But in order to get the new trial, you need to have cold, hard facts, evidence, and proof. Which, this friend of mine does not believe they have, and, to their point, said, "Based on the defense's strategy right now, even though they're not bringing these in, I believe

• 24:44Annie Elise?

  she's already admitted to different psychiatric experts, what happened, what her thoughts were, and what played out. Otherwise, Kevin Reddington would already be trying to challenge a lot of things." So, I have a lot more questions that I'm gonna ask this person as a follow-up, but I wanted to just share that, because I have seen so much discourse online about, "They're gonna, like, he's laying the groundwork, because they're gonna charge Patrick next, they're gonna try to get Lindsay off," and like, I didn't know if that even is legally possible, given the circumstances. So there you go.

• 25:17Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 25:18Annie Elise?

  I'm out of breath.

• 25:20Speaker 03

  That was a long update.

• 25:21Annie Elise?

  I need some water, I know. There, this case is like, it's wild, it is wild.

• 25:26Speaker 03

  I mean, I was so surprised when you told me there is such a huge camp that is now in belief that Patrick, and I haven't followed as much of the details in the trial as you have, but from what I do gather, and what I do know, I just was so surprised that there is such a big group, because, of course, I mean, if that is true, sure, we want all of that to come to light, but to think if that's not true, and there's all these people speculating that, and this poor man has lost his children, and essentially his wife, and has had to heal from that, and now has moved on, and now could potentially be the one whose finger is being pointed at.

• 26:03Annie Elise?

  Yeah, it's, it's very sad, and like, I will say, from what I've seen, I put a poll up yesterday on Instagram, or two days ago, whenever it was on Instagram, saying like, "What do you believe? Do you believe Lindsay did this, or do you believe Patrick did this?" And I was assuming that the swing was gonna go more towards Patrick, based on the comment section of my Monday video, but it was actually more, it was like, 55 Lindsay, 45 Patrick.

• 26:27Speaker 03

  It's still split.

• 26:28Annie Elise?

  Still split. You wouldn't know it in the YouTube comments on Monday's episode, because people are like, "I can't believe you're missing this, Annie, like, are you fucking for real right now?" And, look, maybe I am missing something, but it's possible. But again, I will say this, which I've said it a million times, but I'm gonna say it again, for anybody who's upset with me. I agree with you, that there are a lot of things that don't make sense, and there are a lot of red flags and inconsistencies that are difficult to make sense of. Those inconsistencies are not rooted in fact. So, my thought, and my opinion about Lindsay's guilt, is coming from the facts that we

• 27:07Annie Elise?

  know about the case, her own admission, and the last three years, in which if she or her defense attorney were going to try to challenge this in any way, shape, or form, they would have. Now, could she have been so medically distraught and delusional that she does believe that she did this, and that she has no recollection? Certainly possible. But like I said in an episode a few weeks ago, if that were all to be true, and if Patrick is the true mastermind behind all of this, it is more complex than Gone Girl, Verity, Girl on the Train, any fiction story we've ever heard. Impossible? No. Likely? Probably not.

• 27:51Annie Elise?

  So, that's where I'm at. But hey, prove me wrong, Anne.

• 27:55Speaker 03

  We'll see.

• 27:56Annie Elise?

  I will eat crow.

• 27:57Speaker 03

  I know, and you've said that kind of a few times.

• 28:00Annie Elise?

  I know, and I hate birds.

• 28:01Speaker 03

  Well...

• 28:02Annie Elise?

  Honestly, you know my track record with birds.

• 28:05Speaker 03

  Annie has a deep-rooted fear of birds, and they follow her.

• 28:08Annie Elise?

  They do.

• 28:09Speaker 03

  It's kind of strange.

• 28:10Annie Elise?

  And now, TMI, but when we see our deceased father, it's always in bird form, and

• 28:13Speaker 03

  He really does.

• 28:14Annie Elise?

  Usually it's a deceased bird, and like, nobody wants that, you know?

• 28:19Speaker 03

  In the most undesirable place or situation.

• 28:21Annie Elise?

  No, honestly, "Dad, if you're listening..."

• 28:23Speaker 03

  Please do not.

• 28:24Annie Elise?

  "Change species, for the love of God." God.

• 28:27Speaker 03

  Okay, well, since you were good with your prediction last week, I'm gonna ask you, what's your prediction for this trial, since it's so complicated?

• 28:35Annie Elise?

  I do think that she is going to be found mentally, legally insane, at the time of the murders. And you know what? I will say this too, without going off on a tangent. The one good thing that is coming out of this trial, is that it is such a clear illustration of how bad the medical system has failed Lindsay, and fails women. I mean, having some of these experts and doctors up on the stands, and like, them not fucking knowing anything that they're, not anything they're talking about, I don't wanna like, disregard their profession, but like, just prescribing medications, no follow-up, poor note-taking. If anything, I hope that this trial, because of how high-profile it's become, does evoke

• 29:20Annie Elise?

  change within, not only the medical systems, but women's health, and how seriously they're taken, and postpartum issues, and all of that. I hope that it does highlight a bigger issue, and a bigger problem that we have, and that these three beautiful children didn't die in vain, and that they are helping future women either get the help and support that they need, because there is now such a big light on it, or helping future women feel comfortable speaking out with what they're going through. And I would, like, I don't wanna sound like I'm trying to be profound or anything like that, but like, these three kids, losing their life, I believe, will have saved so many lives in the future.

• 30:05Annie Elise?

  I truly, truly believe that. I really do. Sorry.

• 30:13Speaker 03

  Okay, let me take it from here.

• 30:15Annie Elise?

  Thank you.

• 30:15Speaker 03

  Okay. So this next case is one that we talked about last year and there's been officially a big turn in the case. And it's very similar to the first case that Annie gave an update on, on Courtney Clenney, which kind of leaves us thinking like, wait, how the hell did this happen? And how is this the only punishment that this person received? Okay, so this is the case about Jesse McButler, who was 17 when he was arrested back in March of 2025 after police received allegations that he had sexually assaulted two teenage girls in Stillwater, Oklahoma. And if you remember, these allegations were absolutely horrific. The girls, who were 16 and 17, were described as being restrained, choked until they lost

• 30:59Speaker 03

  consciousness, and subjected to violence that left them seriously injured and extremely traumatized. One girl suffered injuries that were so severe that she even needed surgery, and the doctors reportedly told the police that with just another 30 seconds without oxygen, it could have killed her. So this was a very, very serious attack. The girls also had told investigators that Jesse had recorded at least one of the attacks. And after he was arrested, he was charged with 11 counts, including first degree sexual assault, attempted sexual assault, and sexual assault by instrumentation and domestic assault and battery by strangulation. So very, very serious charges.

• 31:42Speaker 03

  And just a few months later, in August of 2025, he actually pleaded no contest to all of those 11 charges. But this is where things get very complicated and extremely frustrating, to my first point. Jesse was facing up to 78 years in prison. But because he was a minor at the time of these crimes, his case was handled under the Oklahoma Youthful Offender Act. So instead of prison, he was ordered to complete 150 hours of community service, attend counseling and treatment, follow a curfew, stay off social media, and check in with the Office

• 32:21Speaker 03

  of Juvenile Affairs, which obviously seems very small in comparison to 78 years in prison. And those requirements were set when he was just 18 years old, and he only had to follow them, get this, until he turned 19.

• 32:36Annie Elise?

  Failure, failure, failure.

• 32:39Speaker 03

  Exactly. So now, fast forward to last week, on August 3rd, literally one day before his 19th birthday, a judge ruled that Jesse had completed everything required of him with zero violations and then formally dismissed the case.

• 32:57Annie Elise?

  Great, so when's he gonna have a new victim? In a week? A birthday present for him?

• 33:01Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 33:01Annie Elise?

  Like, obviously, he's gonna reoffend.

• 33:02Speaker 03

  And I don't know if, it got me thinking of Anna Kepner.

• 33:05Annie Elise?

  Yes.

• 33:06Speaker 03

  That was like, the first case that I was thinking about when reading this. So, after pleading no contest to these 11 counts, Jesse McButler is now free without even one single day in jail. Which, that surprised me, that it was not even one single jail.

• 33:22Annie Elise?

  That's so frustrating. Because it's like, you can't even rely on gen pop to take care of the issue.

• 33:27Speaker 03

  And you think, like, there's a 16 and 17-year-old girl who were brutally attacked. I assume, I don't know the nature in which they came forward, but I'm assuming that was difficult to talk about, and now they have the stigma around, and this is like, part of their life, forever, and now this guy's already out without serving, not even out, he's just out and about.

• 33:46Annie Elise?

  Yeah, just picking up trash on the highway. Like, oh my god.

• 33:51Speaker 03

  Then, during his final hearing, Jesse's attorney reportedly made statements that suggested Jesse was actually innocent, and that the victim's allegations were false. But the good news was that the DA was not having it. He said, "Nothing has made my blood boil more," saying that he didn't know the defense planned on even making those statements, and thought they were really inappropriate, given everything that happened.

• 34:16Annie Elise?

  Yeah.

• 34:16Speaker 03

  Amen.

• 34:17Annie Elise?

  I'll say.

• 34:18Speaker 03

  He also said that his office plans to submit the case to federal prosecutors for review. But because of double jeopardy, Oklahoma can't prosecute Jesse again for the same offenses, but federal prosecutors could.

• 34:30Annie Elise?

  Well, and that's where Anna Kepner comes in. I know that case is federal because it happened on the water, but, okay.

• 34:37Speaker 03

  Maybe that's the saving grace there.

• 34:39Annie Elise?

  Yeah, okay.

• 34:40Speaker 03

  One of the victim's attorneys said that the family is pleased that the DA is seeking next-level review and is also considering a civil lawsuit. Meanwhile, Jesse's attorney said that he plans to ask for Jesse's criminal record to be expunged.

• 34:54Annie Elise?

  Of course.

• 34:54Speaker 03

  Which means, not only would he walk free without serving any prison time, but this would never show up on his record, ever. And so, my question is like, and I think we've talked about this with Anna Kepner in, specifically, but from state to state then, are the regulations different where they can push to be tried as an adult versus a minor? And so, I mean, obviously, Oklahoma has much looser regulations than, I know Florida, there was the element of the water also, but...

• 35:23Annie Elise?

  There was another, who was the most recent, was it Connor, another kid who was like, getting married this weekend, a couple weeks ago? Like, what is going on?

• 35:33Speaker 03

  Well, and that's where I'm curious to know, like, state to state, like, what are they using as their guidelines to decide? And then, and based on these charges and the fact that this, I mean, there are multiple charges, and the fact that 30 more seconds, she would have potentially been killed, I feel like that seriousness carries a heavier weight than...

• 35:53Annie Elise?

  Right.

• 35:54Speaker 03

  A year of checking in on social media and...

• 35:58Annie Elise?

  The fact that he could have faced 78 years, that alone shows how serious this was. Hi, that's more than Courtney Clenney was facing for murder.

• 36:07Speaker 03

  No, I know, that's what's wild.

• 36:08Annie Elise?

  Like, and what, yeah, you're gonna have him pick up some trash and like, delete his Instagram? Great.

• 36:13Speaker 03

  I know. So it's officially been dismissed in Oklahoma, but it sounds like the families are not gonna go quietly on this one, and they're gonna keep fighting, as they should. So, I hope that these two girls, I mean, I can't imagine, imagine being these two girls now, and this guy is getting, is getting no punishment whatsoever, and still live in the same town? Are they, is there mutual friends? Like, what is that situation? And I just can't even imagine that.

• 36:39Annie Elise?

  Like, this is why women don't come forward, because people aren't held accountable, and then they ask themselves, "Why'd I put myself through all of that? Why'd I relive all of that during the trial? Why did I even come forward? Why did I ruin relationships and friendships? And, you know, come and be, do this, even though it's like, you should do that. Be courageous, be brave, have a voice and stand up for yourself, but I understand where it's discouraging when shit like this happens."

• 37:03Speaker 03

  And what about the parents of this kid?

• 37:04Annie Elise?

  Yeah, but the parents only care about protecting their kids, unfortunately.

• 37:08Speaker 03

  Trying to get his record clean.

• 37:09Annie Elise?

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• 38:37Annie Elise?

  Okay, so, very similar to the case that you just talked about. This is another one that I started covering years ago when it first happened, and what is the new update in it has me in a blind rage, okay? Because this case, it's one that I think a lot of you will remember if you've been with me for a little bit, but it's the murder of 10-year-old Lily Peters. And this happened in Wisconsin. So on April 24th, 2022, Lily went out with her 14-year-old cousin Carson on a bike ride. She was going back home, she was over at his house, after he allegedly had asked her to go and explore a trail with him while they were, you know, riding back to her place. So she took her bike, and Carson took his hoverboard.

• 39:20Annie Elise?

  And when they got out there, he said, "Hey, like, let's go off on this other path, that's like, the different route from your house, and let's go explore." But then, once they got away from the main trail that they were on, Carson attacked her, hitting her with a large stick several times, and then strangling her until she died. Then, once she was dead, he allegedly sexually assaulted Lily's body. She was his cousin, okay? She was freaking 10 years old, he was 14 years old.

• 39:50Speaker 03

  Where the hell does a kid even learn how to do that?

• 39:53Annie Elise?

  His dad, but that's, I've done a deep dive into this case, and that's a story for, you know, a different day. I know. The affidavit says that Carson then got scared after he did all of this, and he ran home. Once he got home, he showered, he cleaned his clothes, and then he went back to the woods so that he could move Lily's body and cover... her with leaves. So Lily's father reported her missing that night when she didn't come home by nine P M. And I forget the exact minute. I think it was a seven minute bike ride, maybe even less than that. I remember when this first broke, I think I did a live stream and I like mapped the route out, like everything. I even put it up on Google Maps. Where you see the turn and then you see the brush where you could go off to. So he, she didn't get home by nine P M. So her dad reported her as missing.

• 40:37Annie Elise?

  And about two hours later, he found her abandoned bike near the woods. The next morning, a volunteer search party found Lily's partially unclothed body in the same wooded area. Her death was ruled homicide caused by blunt force trauma and strangulation. Two days after her death, Carson was arrested and he was charged with first degree murder and first degree sexual assault. Authorities said that he confessed and that he told investigators that he had planned to murder and assault Lily the whole time. Now, and again, I'll link the deep dive here, but there was a big history with Carson's dad. There was also a lot about Carson himself, not only that he planned this, but that he had made threats to his sister, I believe, in the past.

• 41:20Annie Elise?

  That the grandma knew something about different, it's very complex. So he was initially charged as a juvenile, but in January of twenty twenty four, it was determined that he would be tried as an adult, which. Yay. Okay, great. His trial was scheduled for November twenty twenty six, just a couple of months from now. And he was facing life in prison if convicted. Now you might hear that I keep talking in past tense, was, was scheduled, was facing. Because now more than four years after Lily's murder, we have a major development. The district attorney announced that a resolution hearing has been scheduled for August twenty sixth.

• 42:00Annie Elise?

  And they believe that this hearing will bring an end to this case before it even goes to trial, which means plea agreement. But this is also where things do get a little bit complicated because the records related to the hearing have been sealed. So right now, we don't know exactly what is going to happen on August twenty sixth. What agreement might have been reached or what the resolution actually means for the case. But it does mean that after four years of waiting for this case to go to trial, we might finally, yes, be getting some answers. But probably not full accountability. I mean, hopefully it doesn't turn out like the other cases that we're talking about today. Jesse disgusting ass Butler, Courtney Clancy, all of these cases, because in my opinion, the outcome of those cases.

• 42:44Annie Elise?

  It does not provide any sort of justice, not in any form at all. So when I do hear more about it next week or the following, I will definitely keep you updated. And I probably am going to reopen the case because there's a lot more that I found out about this case and about the backstory when interviewing people. So stay tuned for that.

• 43:04Speaker 03

  So the good news is he's being tried as an adult.

• 43:08Annie Elise?

  Right.

• 43:08Speaker 03

  In Wisconsin. So Wisconsin's another state where they, I guess you can try minors as adults, but. I wonder, I mean, could you imagine the dad, like I'd picture us, we're so close with our cousins going out, playing all the time, like as kids. And when we come home, the first thing you'd say, our parents would ask the cousins, like, where is Amy? Where is Annie? The last thing you'd think is that they were the ones responsible. You think they probably separated playing and like. And obviously your mind starts spinning and then to find her, still you're thinking a stranger probably got to them. To find the discovery and then was it the dad's sibling's son?

• 43:50Annie Elise?

  Um, that I don't remember off the top of my head. I'll have to go back.

• 43:55Speaker 03

  Cause it's like, how do you then ever recover your relationship with your sibling?

• 43:59Annie Elise?

  There was a lot of complicated history within the whole family as a whole, which I like went into and now I have found even more information out. Yeah. It's so sad.

• 44:08Speaker 03

  It's crazy. Well, this next case is also a very crazy one that started back in June that you may have heard of. And now we have some very new disturbing information. And honestly, the first part of the story sounds bad enough as it is. But then when you hear more about what was actually uncovered by investigators behind the scenes, it's absolutely horrific. So this started on Tuesday, June twenty third, when police received a call for a welfare check that led them to an apartment complex. In Mechanicville, New York, after neighbors were concerned about not seeing a family there for several days. When you see something, say something. And when officers came to check on them, they made a horrifying discovery.

• 44:50Speaker 03

  Because inside the apartment were six bodies, all of them decomposed. They were sixty four year old Amy Stedman, her forty four year old daughter Sarah Myers and Sarah's four children. Thirteen year old Harper, eleven year old Hudson and ten year old twins Gavin and Grace Lynn. And right away, the police said they did not believe that anyone else was involved and that there was no immediate threat to the public. And at that point, it all seemed to be a murder suicide. Investigators say that Amy actually lived in the apartment where the bodies were found. While Sarah and her children lived in another unit in the same complex and that Amy was Sarah's mother and children's grandmother.

• 45:30Speaker 03

  And about a month later, the autopsy results came back and showed that Sarah and Amy had died by self harm, apparently through poisoning. But that the four children's deaths were being investigated as homicides. One of the children had been fatally stabbed while the other three were to believe to be poisoned. Investigators say that they found evidence of intentional poisoning inside of the apartment, including several prescription and over the counter medications. A handwritten note was also found at the scene near the medication. And then there was the children's father, Brady Harmon. Brady spoke to the reporters from his home in Salt Lake City and said that he hadn't seen his children in person since November two thousand nineteen.

• 46:10Speaker 03

  When he and Sarah had separated, he had said that he had spent most of the last six years trying to get custody or visitation of the kids. And he was just days away from finally seeing them. The kids were actually supposed to travel to Utah to stay with him from July first through September first. So a whole summer together with their dad. Brady said that the plan was for them to come be with dad, to reconnect with family that they hadn't seen in years. And even meet some relatives that they had never even met before. And for a while, that's where it seemed that this heartbreaking story had ended. But then last week, investigators released new information about what was happening in the days leading up to the children's deaths. And it paints a much darker picture.

• 46:54Speaker 03

  According to text messages Brady shared on Facebook, the day investigators believed the children were killed. He was supposed to have a scheduled video call with them and the call never happened. Instead, Sarah told him that the children were sick. She said the kids have gotten a little stomach bug throwing up and asked if they could move the call to the following evening. Brady told her he hoped they would feel better and tried calling the next evening, but Sarah didn't answer. Police now say they believe the children were killed on June tenth, nearly two weeks before their bodies were discovered. And according to the police chief, there were text messages between Sarah and Amy talking about getting medications, giving those medications to the children. Where they would kill them and how they would avoid suspicion.

• 47:38Speaker 03

  And at the same time, Amy and Sarah, believe it or not, said that they believed what they were doing was actually a way to protect the children, which. We hear that often, but it sounds more like a custody situation here. And I think the obvious question is protecting them from what? Was it their father? Was it something else that they had made up? Because if the idea was that they were actually in fact protecting the kids from their father. He had been fighting for them for years. He was excited for this upcoming time and summer with them, them being reconnected with relatives. Meeting people they had never met before. So my question there though, is like, he hadn't seen them in seven years.

• 48:19Speaker 03

  So was there something else going on that we maybe don't know about? Or did she just simply not want him to have the kids? Was she worried that she would eventually maybe lose custody as a result? Like what was maybe brewing under the surface that we don't know? And now he's left trying to understand how this could have happened when he was just so close to seeing the kids again. But as the chief of police put it, whatever they believed justified their actions, the murder of four children cannot be described as protection. Clearly. And that's what makes this so awful is because obviously you hear that they're trying to protect the children, which we know is bullshit, but.

• 48:58Speaker 03

  Like, I guess there is this happy ending that you see right on the cusp of them being reunited with their father. But like, what was it between the grandmother and the mother, both, that they both developed this plan?

• 49:09Annie Elise?

  Yeah.

• 49:09Speaker 03

  And were so resolute in that being the better option than him seeing the kids?

• 49:14Annie Elise?

  Like, my gut tells me it's kind of like a Susan Powell situation where if I can't have you guys, no one can. And like, they wanted, they didn't want the dad to have custody or any visitation. However, we don't know why he was absent those seven years and why he lost custody and visitation to begin with. So, not that murder is ever the answer, obviously. But if there was some, if he was a predator, or if there was something very dangerous, which we, there's nothing indicating that that's the case. I'm just saying, like, I could see a world in which they, not to excuse it, obviously, but like, where it's like, we, you can't go with him no matter what, at all costs,

• 49:55Annie Elise?

  to where they then get so fanatical and like radicalized in this thought process of how they're gonna just all self-eliminate so that he can't get his hands on them.

• 50:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, cuz I mean, well, and they're in New York, he's in Salt Lake, so they weren't even near each other. And so was it that, I mean, there are so many questions, but it's just like, were they gonna go visit him and be away for two full months? Because I could imagine as a mother who their kids haven't seen him in years, that would be unsettling. But to take their lives and your own, and for the grandmother to be complicit in that, that must mean that there was like a shared belief there, which is what I'm curious to know what that was.

• 50:36Annie Elise?

  Oh, I'm sure more information's gonna come out, especially regarding that, like, period of time, the seven years, and like, what life was like, were all these kids homeschooled? Was there some sort of fanatical belief? So what, like, what was going on?

• 50:49Speaker 03

  And in fact, if there really was no true rooted fear, and there was no bad blood between, I mean, obviously, there was some sort of friction, that's why he wasn't seeing the kids. But could you imagine this father, who is like, so excited to see his children, and I'm sure has put so many plans in play to have this happen right before, maybe even feels a bit guilty, like, was he the one kind of pushing for this?

• 51:13Annie Elise?

  The catalyst, yeah.

• 51:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 51:14Annie Elise?

  So sad.

• 51:15Speaker 03

  I know.

• 51:16Annie Elise?

  Well, speaking of familial side, apparently, it's like, that's all we're hearing about in new cases this month. But this next case is one that a lot of you have been DMing me about and asking me to cover. And it's the case surrounding Kaylee Earhart in North Dakota. So on August 6th, police were called to a home in Mandan, North Dakota. And when officers arrived, they allegedly found 22-year-old Kaylee covered in blood. She was holding a kitchen knife at her own throat. Police say that she made a comment about harming herself, but that she eventually dropped the knife and was taken into custody. However, when the officers went inside the home, what they found was an absolute massacre horror scene.

• 51:58Annie Elise?

  Because inside, they found Kaylee's three children, all of whom had cuts across their necks. The children were just three years old, one-year-old, and five months old. The three-year-old and five-month-old were rushed to local hospitals, but unfortunately, they were later pronounced dead. Amazingly, though, the one-year-old survived after having surgery. And as investigators started piecing together what happened inside that home, they learned that there had allegedly been a violent confrontation involving Kaylee, her husband, and the kid's grandmother, and that this altercation took place just minutes before the attacks. According to the affidavit, Kaylee's husband and the children's father, Cameron, was home at the time.

• 52:42Annie Elise?

  He told investigators that Kaylee had previously talked about self-harm and about killing the children, and that she had recently purchased a gun and had threatened him with it the night before. Then, just before the attacks, Kaylee allegedly chased Cameron and the children's grandmother out of the house with the knife. At some point during that confrontation, she allegedly pulled out the gun, pointed it at Cameron, and told him, "Say goodbye to your kids."

• 53:08Speaker 03

  Oh my god.

• 53:08Annie Elise?

  And he recorded this entire thing on his phone. Cameron was able to take the gun away from her, and he told the police that he took it apart and then scattered the pieces so that she couldn't get to it. However, during that struggle, he said that Kaylee bit him and scratched his arm several times. The children's grandmother also gave investigators a similar story, telling police that Kaylee chased them out of the home with a knife, before allegedly then turning her attention to the children. Now, police have not said what they believe the motive was, but Cameron did tell them that he was planning to divorce Kaylee before this happened. So, naturally, some people are wondering if that had anything to do with it. Kaylee was arrested on August 6th and is facing multiple charges, including murder,

• 53:50Annie Elise?

  attempted murder, aggravated assault, terrorizing with a dangerous weapon, and domestic violence. At her first court appearance, a judge ordered her to have no contact with the surviving victims, or with Cameron, or the grandmother, and then set her bond at $3 million. The judge said that her decision was made because of the, quote, "extreme violence" in these alleged charges and the threat to the community, victims, and children. Now, as of the time of this recording, Kaylee has not entered a plea, but her next court appearance is scheduled for October 6th. So was this a situation similarly, in which if he was threatening to divorce her, she said, "I'm gonna kill you, kill the kid, you can't, you're not with me, you don't have anyone"? Was this something else?

• 54:35Annie Elise?

  I mean, he got so much of it recorded on his phone, which it's like, what great, quick thinking to dismantle the gun, take it apart into pieces, scatter the pieces, record on your phone. But then, I wonder, even after he got away from her, not that he should have necessarily, I don't know what you do in that moment, but how'd she get back in the house and have time to do what she did? Like, what was that period of time looking like? And so, I think we're gonna have to dig a little bit for some more information here.

• 55:03Speaker 03

  I mean, it tells me that she's probably had outbursts in the past, if he knew how to, like, to be scared of her enough and to record her, and like, cuz, I mean, that is crazy. And what's with the kids?

• 55:18Annie Elise?

  I'm so happy that the one-year-old survived. And I mean, at least there is a surviving family member who will be able to take custody of her, whether that's the grandmother or the father, so that's good. But, yeah, absolutely devastating. There is a lot of familial side happening right now, and I don't know what the hell is in the water.

• 55:35Speaker 03

  That, I mean, I feel like this summer, that's why I was, in our group chat, there is some things we were exchanging information about, and I was getting confused on the cases cuz there were so many similar, and it's just, yeah, I feel like

• 55:51Annie Elise?

  It's really sad.

• 55:51Speaker 03

  That used to be much more rare.

• 55:54Annie Elise?

  Yeah. All right, guys, well, that is it for this week's episode of Headline Highlights. Thank you so much for tuning in. Don't forget, there are two deep dives you can go back and listen to right now, and then I will be back on the mic with you on Monday with an all-new case. So, until then, be nice, don't kill people, don't kill your children.

• 56:15Speaker 03

  Leave the kids out of it.

• 56:16Annie Elise?

  Leave the kids out of it, and don't be a teenage predator man who gets away with sexually assaulting your victims. How about that? All right, bye.

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