400: Part 2: The 5 Biggest Bombshells Netflix Left Out of 'The Crash" | Mackenzie Shirilla

Today we’re breaking down the 5 biggest bombshells Netflix left out of the Mackenzie Shirilla case — including disturbing witness statements, alleged prior threats, missing toxicology questions, and behavior in the aftermath of the crash that never made it into the documentary. From claims friends were pressured to stay quiet to the controversy surrounding discarded blood samples, there are layers to this case that most people have never heard. We’re unpacking the details, contradictions, and unanswered questions that could completely change how you view the crash and everything that followed.. If you’re new here, don’t forget to follow the show for weekly deep dives into the darkest true crime cases! To watch the video version of this episode, head over to youtube.com/@annieelise. .🔎Join Our True Crime Club & Get Exclusive Content & Perks..🎧 Need More to Binge? Listen to both of my weekly true crime series 10 to Life & Serialously with Annie Elise wherever you get your podcasts on the Annie Elise Channel!🍎 Apple Podcasts | Where you can also unlock access to 100+ and growing extra exclusive deep dives.💚 Spotify🔴 YouTube🎙️ All Other Platforms.📸 Follow Annie on Socials Instagram: @_annieeliseTikTok: @_annieeliseSubstack: @annieeliseFacebook: @10toLife.👗 Shop Annie’s Must-Haves! ShopMY: bit.ly/AnnieElise_ShopMy Amazon: bit.ly/AnnieElise_Amazon.🫵🏻 Get Involved or Recommend a CaseAbout Annie: www.annieelise.comFor Business Inquiries: [email protected].••••••••••••••••••🚨Disclaimers1️⃣ Some links may be affiliate links, they do not cost you anything, but I make a small percentage from the sale. Thank you so much for watching and supporting me. 2️⃣ Sources used to collect this information include various public news sites, interviews, court documents, FB groups dedicated to the case, and various news channel segments. When quoting statements made by others, they are strictly alleged until confirmed otherwise. Please remember my videos are my independent opinion and to always do your own research. 3️⃣ The views and opinions expressed in this video are personal and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of any other agency, organization, employer, or company. Assumptions made in the analysis are not reflective of the position of any entity other than the creator(s). These views are subject to change, revision, and rethinking at any time and are not to be held in perpetuity. We make no representations as to the accuracy, completeness, correctness, suitability, or validity of any information on this video and will not be liable for any errors, omissions, or delays in this information or any losses, injuries, or damages arising from its display or use. All information is provided on an as-is basis. It is the reader’s responsibility to verify their own facts.

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• 0:59Annie Elise?

  Hey, true crime besties. Welcome back to an all-new episode of Serialishly.

• 1:21Annie Elise?

  Hello, hello, hello, and welcome back to an all-new episode of Serialishly with me, Annie Elise. Now, you're noticing, I'm sure, that this is a bonus episode. It's not the typical Monday or Thursday episode. It is a bonus episode, and here's why. On Monday, I released a deep dive into the Mackenzie Shirilla case. Now, this is a case that I first covered years and years and years ago, before I went to the trial, again after the trial, but then, as I'm sure many of you have seen, there is a new documentary on Netflix called The Crash. It is polarizing. Everybody is glued to it. There are a lot of conflicting opinions out there about, did she do it? Did she not? Was it an accident? What happened? Was it a medical emergency?

• 2:06Annie Elise?

  All these things. So I did a deep dive on Monday, where I went through, you know, we review footage, phone calls, timelines, receipts, screenshots, everything.

• 2:17Annie Elise?

  Everything that Netflix basically left out, okay? But then I was remembering, okay? A couple of years ago, back in 2023, I was, someone reached out to me to participate in a documentary on this case. And with that, they sent me the police report, um, different reports from the prosecutor's office, all these different things. And I saved all of it. You can see here, I have pages and pages and pages and pages. And I had like my notebook, you know, that I was scribbling in feverishly, all of these things. So I was like, you know what? I want to just go back to all of that really quick because I remember there being like these really clear things, in my opinion, that were black and white that illustrated not only that she absolutely did this intentionally, but a lot of information about the parents.

• 3:01Annie Elise?

  I vaguely had remembered some like sex work activity. There were a lot of things. So I went back through all of my documents over the weekend and earlier this week. And when I tell you, we know Netflix likes to leave things out, or they don't like to, but they have to for legality reasons. Also, you know, you can only fit so much in a 90-minute program. But there, already in the deep dive from Monday, there was so much information that I put out that Netflix didn't include. But then I was like, wait, there are five buckets, five bombshells, I should say, that Netflix left out. The biggest ones, in my opinion, that I feel like gives so much more context to this case and what the truth really is.

• 3:44Annie Elise?

  I'm talking more information about her parents, her blood sample from the morning of the crash, being disposed of by the doctor, being thrown away, no drug test ordered on it, but actually like being completely disposed of. Actual past behavior allegations from her friends, which some people spoke out in the documentary, in my opinion, the majority of them were trying to protect her, but like actual testimony from friends where they verbatim say that she was constantly threatening self-harm, that, you know, referenced the toxicity of their relationship with Dom. And then also, her own dad, in the police report, which don't worry, guys, I'm going to read these documents to you, like, verbatim, but her own dad, in the police report, saying

• 4:27Annie Elise?

  that Mackenzie did this intentionally. And we also are going to talk about that whole sex offense section that was, once again, in the whole, like, police write-up, but didn't make it to... Netflix for whatever reason. So today I want to go through the biggest things that Netflix left out. And I want to start with the parents. I have seen some stuff on social media since people have watched this documentary, questioning the parents remorse, their accountability, them trying to just protect their daughter, all of these things. But there are a few things, and I have my own notes here, the police reports here, but there's a few things I want to go through this, go through with you on this.

• 5:10Annie Elise?

  Because I find, I found this information pretty interesting. And again, I think it provides context, so I want to share it with you guys. So at 9:05 a.m. on August 1st, which was the day after the crash, police, their police report states that her mom had said to the officers that her husband said not to say anything until they have a lawyer. We also did hear that in the documentary. But adjacent to that, she also said immediately, this was the day after the crash, she said that she was worried about the public's reaction on social media. That was her primary concern within 24 hours of the first responders arriving to the crash scene, finding out that these two boys were killed, her daughter still in the hospital.

• 5:54Annie Elise?

  And I want to read this for you, verbatim. So this was at 9:05 a.m. and it says, I'm going to just, I have my highlighted section here. I'm just going to, you know, go forward a little bit. So it says, "I explained to her that once Mackenzie is discharged from the ICU, I would be interested in interviewing her. She mentioned that her husband told her not to say anything until they have legal representation, which, okay, fine, fair. I encouraged her to pass my contact information along to her attorney. So we agreed that I will call her next week to check on Mackenzie's status. But then Natalie expressed concern about the public's reaction on social media." As if that is like the biggest deal right now. And the reason I bring that up is because it all goes into perspective. And let me just continue on here.

• 6:36Annie Elise?

  Because actually, maybe, let me see, I'm gonna just look at my notes. You know, actually, I guess I'll just talk this about, talk to you about this right now. We did see in the documentary how while Mackenzie was recovering within just literal days after the accident, two days after the crash, I don't want to say accident, two days after the crash, as a matter of fact, when brands were reaching out to Mackenzie on her social media being like, hey, can we use this photo? Can we do this? And her mom was responding as her, being like, oh, my God, we would love to collaborate. Like, we've been trying to contact you, da, da, da, da, da. In addition to that, her mom was also allegedly like soliciting LA-based modeling agencies,

• 7:18Annie Elise?

  trying to get her daughter signed to a modeling agency while Mackenzie was in the hospital because she was starting to get some attention on social media. This was two days after the crash. Again, that's the priority. So you have her saying, we're so worried about what the public's reaction is going to be on social media, while simultaneously trying to get her daughter signed with different brands and modeling agencies. It's so gross that that is where the priority was, and that's where the focus was. Additionally, Mackenzie then, after this conversation took place, an officer went into the hospital room, started just speaking with Mackenzie very lightly, not a full interview or anything like that.

• 8:00Annie Elise?

  And Mackenzie had told the officer that she left Rosie's house before the crash, not Paul's. Now, maybe that was just her memory being foggy, who knows, absolutely. But what I thought was interesting is that her mom immediately interjected to end that conversation before Mackenzie could even finish. She just cut her off and like, cut it off, stop talking, which again, I understand, you want to protect yourself legally, you don't want to say anything that is self-incriminating. But it's just a lot of things that when you layer them together, it starts to illustrate, in my opinion, a pretty uncomfortable situation.

• 8:37Annie Elise?

  So then later that same day, one hour or one, sorry, one day after the crash, the mom called the police around 8:00 PM asking for Mackenzie's cellphone. She said that she needed her phone so that she could access Mackenzie's Snapchat to get a passcode. Now, look, I don't know how Snapchat works. I thought it was for messages and photos and videos. I didn't know that you would like house a passcode in there or anything like that. But she said that she needed access to Snapchat. And she called multiple times every single day, asking the police for Mackenzie's phone back so that she could access Snapchat, which my first thought went to, why is she need to access Snap? Is she trying to delete stuff? Is she trying to hide stuff?

• 9:19Annie Elise?

  And let me read this for you, and I'm just going to read snippets of like these documents that are in the police report. But it says, Sergeant Nip called me to let me know that Mackenzie's mother Natalie called the station requesting access to her daughter's cellphone. She specifically wanted access to the social media app Snapchat. She said it was to receive a passcode. I told Sergeant Nip that the phone was a material piece of evidence and that it will not be released until I apply for a search warrant, which at the time was with APA under review. And then it goes on to say how she requested it multiple times, kept calling back and like was like a dog with a bone and would not let it go. Then the following day, on the 6th of August, so now seven days technically after the crash,

• 10:05Annie Elise?

  her mom called the police and she reported that there were mean people on social media who were blaming Mackenzie for the crash and alleging that she had killed Dom on purpose. So again, more of like, what's the public's reaction going to be? Now calling the police being like, they're blaming my daughter all over social media. They're saying that she did it on purpose. They're blaming her. Just, once again, like, read the room. Read the room right now, given the situation. The following day, it was set to be one of the services, the service for Dom. And apparently, Mackenzie was being very combative in the hospital. She wanted to attend this funeral. They advised her, you are not well enough. You can face time in. It's not a good idea.

• 10:50Annie Elise?

  But she was so determined that she nearly signed herself out AMA against medical advice. Officer, it was so combative, as a matter of fact, in the hospital, that officers ended up being called and dispatched to the hospital. They didn't have to restrain her or do anything like that. The nurse was able to talk her into staying. But she became very combative. Officers ended up being called. And that kind of takes me back to a different incident when officers were called on Mackenzie. Because in this police report, and let me pull this up. It was from back in 2020, so a little bit, you know, a year or so before the crash. And psych was called to her house because she was threatening to take her own life.

• 11:32Annie Elise?

  Which, if you remember, in the documentary, her friends, her parents, they say she was ne- she never had those ideations. She was happy. She was great. She had a beautiful life. But the cops were called and psych was called because she was making threats. And let me go here. It said, oh, well, here, back here from the hospital room. It said, "Two officers responded to the room where Shirilla was being treated because she was being combative. The officers stood by and they didn't take any action." Printout was added, all of these things. Female will not be tr- oh, okay. So then here is the 2020 incident. It says, "The call was psych-related. They requested assistance from SPD. Mackenzie was reportedly threatening self-harm." She was, and I'm, the whole world is like, she was threatening to take her own life.

• 12:16Annie Elise?

  I'm just trying to like censor the, you know, the S-word on here because YouTube likes to flag me. "She was not transported for an evaluation. During the call, SFD requested the SPD officers respond." So the fire department requesting that the police department respond. "But no reason was given. The following disposition was then entered by the dispatcher into the call." It says, "Female will not be transported to the hospital. Parents do not think that her threats are real. They do not believe that she will hurt herself." So there is, in fact, a history of her making these threats against her own life. And we're only scratching the surface here, like, just wait. So she socially, she's being combative, the 2020 incident, okay, all of these things.

• 13:02Annie Elise?

  Another thing you may have noticed if you watched the documentary is that her parents were basically like defending Mackenzie to the ends of the earth. That she was a great kid, even though she was like ripping bong hits at 17 years old every day. But like, she was a great kid. She never got into trouble. She was responsible, even though, I also will talk to you about potential alleged sex work in a minute here. But defending her to the death, right? Mackenzie could do no wrong. She's an angel. Well, here's how much they were defending her to the death, okay? While Mackenzie was still in the hospital, as officers were, you know, wanting to interview people, get statements, get some sort of, you know, pulse check on like, what was going on? What was the energy like?

• 13:47Annie Elise?

  What's her history with Dom like? What's the, was the relationship like? The mother was trying to silence her friends, telling them not to cooperate with the investigators, not to speak with them and not to share details. In fact, at one point too, which I'll read here in a minute, when the officers were talking to Davion's family, they had said like, hey, have you talked to Landon, otherwise known as Bubba, which was Mackenzie's best friend Rosie's boyfriend? They're like, have you talked to him? And they're like, oh, yeah. He actually requested to come walk Davion's bedroom the day after the crash to get some sort of peace and closure. And the officer's like, well, he's not cooperating with the investigation.

• 14:32Annie Elise?

  He won't answer, he won't let us interview him. He won't talk with us. Then they further went on to say that while Bubba, Landon, was at the hospital, Mackenzie's dad went up to him and said, help me save my daughter. Saying that, you know, not, I don't know, like, that was after the mom had said to all the friends, don't talk to the police, all of this stuff. And let me read this for you. It says, So next I inquired whether Davion's best friend, Landon Bubba Turner, had been in contact with them. They both, and this is Davion's parents, okay? They both stated that immediately after the crash, he requested and was granted permission to walk through Davion's bedroom as a means of seeking closure. When I informed them that he was not cooperating with the investigation,

• 15:16Annie Elise?

  they mentioned that Landon had told them about an encounter that he had with Steve Shirilla at the hospital. He was visiting Mackenzie and according to Landon, Steve looked him in the eye and asked him to help save his daughter.

• 15:30Annie Elise?

  Now, this, I think you can read into it a couple of different ways. One, why isn't he cooperating? The dad is also asking him to help him save his daughter, which I would argue is not a passive aggressive statement, but like a statement with a significant undertone to it. And he wanted to go walk the bedroom to seek closure of his friend, yet he's not willing to cooperate with the investigation and answer any questions? That doesn't make sense. How are you, if you're so torn up about your friend's death, so much so that you need to walk his bedroom to seek closure immediately after and you're asking his parents for that? Why are you not forthcoming with the police and giving them information? Just doesn't make sense, right?

• 16:13Annie Elise?

  So I already talked to you too about how like the priorities seem to be replying to the brands, contacting the LA modeling agencies, what the perception's going to be on social media, and her parents basically defending her to the death.

• 16:26Annie Elise?

  Mackenzie runs the show, in my opinion, 1,000% through and through with her parents. I think that she steamrolls them, yells at them, kicks her little feet, stamps her feet and gets her way every time. Because there are also direct quotes within this whole police report from the time that she was in the hospital, where she was yelling at her parents, yelling curse words at them, telling them, "Get the hell out of my hospital room, get the fuck out of here, don't talk to the police without me." At one point too, when the police brought what they had recovered from the car, there was like $162 in cash or something like that, and they gave it to her parents and she's all, "Put that money in my bag, put it in my bag."

• 17:06Annie Elise?

  Like, that's what you're concerned about when you're laid up on a hospital bed with a neck brace and like, you know, completely bedridden? But that's how she was. She was physically, not, sorry, not physically. Verbally aggra- that we know of verbally aggressive toward her parents spitting commands, doing things like that. This is not a typical 17 year old girl who has rules, a curfew, anything like that. She has entitlement and her parents, in my opinion, enabled the entire thing. They're not yelling at her. They're not here. When she yelled at her dad and said, "Get out of my room," da, da, da, da. He left. He scurried out of the hospital room like a little fucking pussy. Like, it's absolutely mind boggling. Then when like the parents start

• 17:47Annie Elise?

  talking to, "Please, don't talk to them without me." She is the, you know, grown up apparently in this situation. It's unbelievable. Meanwhile, remember how if you watch the documentary, how her parents again were saying, "She was a good kid. She was responsible. We had nothing to worry about." No, she owned your asses. She owned you, hook, line, and sinker, and got away with murder. Not a pun, not an expression, literally. Well, I guess she didn't get away with it because she's locked up, but you get what I mean. So now let's get into this part because in this police report, her dad said that Mackenzie did this intentionally. And I

• 18:25Annie Elise?

  actually am going to just read this for you verbatim. So it says, "According to both officers, Metro Health Police Sergeant Adam Doyle asked them about the status of this investigation. Sergeant Doyle further added that during Mackenzie's stay at Metro Health, her father told Sergeant Doyle that Mackenzie intentionally drove her vehicle into the building in an attempt to take her own life. Sergeant Doyle's statement, though, was not documented in the only MHPD report that I was able to obtain involving Mackenzie." And I'm going to read this page for you as well. It says that when they were, oh, sorry, Sergeant Doyle proceeded to recount the incident with Steve Shirilla on the day that Mackenzie was trying to leave

• 19:10Annie Elise?

  the hospital to presumably attend Dom's funeral. Remember when she was getting super combative? She was trying to leave. They had to call the officers in. He said Sergeant Doyle said, quote, "Mr. Shirilla stated to him that they had to keep her in the hospital because she's already tried to kill herself and she killed those two boys." Now, why this little tidbit wasn't entered into Netflix, I don't know. Maybe because it was recollection and it wasn't entered into an official police report. I have no idea, but- I think that that's pretty major, right? That the father, within the first few days of this crash taking place, acknowledges that Mackenzie was trying to take her own life and that she killed these two boys and that it was intentional.

• 19:53Annie Elise?

  That's a pretty huge piece of information, right? Seems like something you'd want to know. So now, let's move into the next bucket, okay? And we're going to talk about the drugs and we're going to talk about the blood testing, or lack thereof, I should say. So let's talk about that night and the timeline, okay? So we know that she went to Kelly's around 10 to 10:15 PM. There, she and Dom reportedly were asking for acid. You know, they said, "Do you trip?" She said, "No." They were looking for acid. She and Dom then said that they wanted some, and they left. So they arrived at Paul's house, and I should say, in between that period of time, because they left about 20 minutes later, and there is a window of time, about like, an hour

• 20:37Annie Elise?

  and some change, before they arrived at Paul's house, there was apparently another house in the neighborhood where they did sell that, or you could get that, whatever. So, they then arrive at Paul's at 12:00 AM. Paul was really tired, so at 1 o'clock, he went upstairs and he went to sleep. He said that he woke up around 2:00 or 3:00 AM, came downstairs to grab some water, he saw Mackenzie sleeping, but the rest of the friends were still awake and they were watching South Park. Then, Dom starts sending his final messages. At 2:53, he texts his dad. Between 12:41 and 3:30, he was sending text messages to his brother, his friends, his mom, and his dad, saying, "I love you."

• 21:21Annie Elise?

  And then, at 2:41 AM, he tried to FaceTime his friend Blair, which Blair later said that this was very unusual for Dom. So the group then leaves at 5:30 AM. And we know that the crash happens and all of that. But here, sorry, I think I'm gonna sneeze. Here is what's really frustrating. There was no drug testing conducted on her initial ER blood sample because the physician canceled the order. The ER did not even test for drugs. And I'm gonna go to this page and I want to read this again, verbatim. So, do, do, do, do, do, do. Okay. "I called Metro Health Records Department to inquire about the life flight report and the toxicology report.

• 22:05Annie Elise?

  I spoke with," I'm gonna leave it blank, "who said that the life flight report will be included among the documents requested in the search warrant." Debbie, oh, sorry, whoops. Okay, I didn't put a last name, whatever. Debbie further stated that no drug testing was conducted on Mackenzie's blood because a physician canceled the order. "I called APA troop to inform him that according to the Metro Health Medical Records Office, what was going on and that the ER did not test the blood for drugs. Then, a blood sample from several days later, the 3rd of August, was taken and remained at the hospital and sent for testing." So, that initial blood sample while she was in flight, while she was, you know, getting

• 22:49Annie Elise?

  help in the ER, was discarded of based on the directive of the ER physician. Why? Who the hell even knows, right? So, and, oh, here's another thing that's really interesting and frustrating. The sample from the 31st, the day of the crash, that was discarded and disposed of, was disposed of after a search warrant had already been served for the sample. So, let me read this to you. It says, "I called Metro Health's pathology department, and I was ultimately transferred to Core Lab. I spoke with blank, who told me that the only blood samples that they have for Mackenzie is from August 3rd.

• 23:32Annie Elise?

  She explained that Mackenzie's blood from July 31st was disposed of per their policy, and it was disposed of on August 5th. It's worth noting that the search warrant for the blood was..." ...to Metro Health on August 4th. The audio recording of this call was also preserved under the search warrant. So it's then further down, it says, "The MH Core Lab disposed of the sample collected on July 31st on August 5th," or yeah, on August 5th, which was one day after I served them the search warrant. So why was this blood sample disposed of after receiving a warrant that they had to turn it over? It kind of reminds me, if you're familiar with the Karen Reed case, when all of them

• 24:14Annie Elise?

  were like ordered to preserve their phones and they were served the order and then the next day or whatever, they start breaking them and throwing them in the dumpster and getting rid of them. It's like, what is going on here? And I'm not saying that there's some sort of conspiracy or collusion or corruption or anything like that, but it makes you wonder like, what is, what happened here? How did we fail this so badly? So then, and I know that then there was the blood from the third that was tested and it showed only THC in her system. I believe that shrooms and acid stay in your system longer than a couple of days, so I would imagine that those still would have shown up on the drug test, but then again, I don't know. Also, there were reports that they were heavily drinking that night. That certainly would not show up on a blood test days later.

• 24:59Annie Elise?

  That's even why so many people, when they get pulled over for a potential DUI, demand a blood test instead of a breathalyzer because by the time you get to the station and they have someone come in and perform the blood test, you've sobered up and the likelihood of your blood alcohol level being lower is much higher, you have a better chance. So she could have easily been intoxicated and wasted that night. We have no idea because the blood was discarded and they didn't collect the new sample until the third. So that's annoying. Um, let's see. Okay, going back to the drugs and how we don't know what drugs were consumed that night, what happened. We know they were looking for acid. We also know that there was conversation of the group collectively potentially taking mushrooms together.

• 25:43Annie Elise?

  I believe with good reason, but they've never been convicted of this, so I just want to be careful what I say, but I'm sure you guys are all coming to this conclusion as well, that Mackenzie and Dom were drug dealers. They posted selfies all the time, wearing like all of this designer stuff. There were some selfies in this police report, I should pull up the photo, where they have like stacks of hundreds and fifties and all of this money. And we know that at the scene of the crash, not only did they find 6.91 grams of mushrooms, but they found a scale. Nobody has a scale in their purse unless you're measuring things out to deal, I mean, unless you're like counting your macros, but it didn't really seem like that's what was going on. And in fact, which this was not included in the documentary, Rosie, the friend who

• 26:26Annie Elise?

  was also defending Mackenzie to the ends of the earth, she had said that they had talked about potentially taking mushrooms together, but that they all decided not to. But what she conveniently left out in her segment on Netflix was that she and Mackenzie were texting the night of the party before Mackenzie even got to Paul's house. And Rosie had texted Mackenzie with a list of people who wanted to buy drugs from her. So, I mean, hello, the writing is on the wall. You don't have to be, you know, a wizard to see what's going on here, but it's frustrating because all of this information, it does give context as to who Mackenzie was as a person, her character, her lifestyle, and there's more.

• 27:11Annie Elise?

  So now going into her past behavior and past threats. We heard that from her parents and from some of her friends that she never had a thought about self-harm, that she had a great life, she was happy, she was looking forward to the future, she had designer stuff, she had nothing to be sad about, she was in love with Dom. Well, sure enough, after the crash, while this whole investigation was going down, there were several public outcries that not only completely contradict that, but also illustrate that Mackenzie was an extremely reckless driver and a furious driver whenever she got pissed off. All right. I feel like we need to just have an honest conversation here in the circle of trust.

• 27:56Annie Elise?

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• 28:39Annie Elise?

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• 29:23Annie Elise?

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• 30:08Annie Elise?

  saying Mackenzie had actually threatened to not only take her own life, but to kill Dom in the past as well. Paul, one of the friends, spoke with police and said that he refused to get in the car with Mackenzie because, quote, "She was a bad driver" and, quote, "Got into fights while driving." Rosie, the BFF, ride or die, who didn't want to say a single bad word about Mackenzie, had also told Paul, quote, "Don't go in the car with Kenzie. It's not good." In the documentary, they also referenced the incident that happened two weeks approximately before the crash, where Mackenzie and Dom were driving, they got into a fight, Dom

• 30:50Annie Elise?

  called his mother, saying, "Mackenzie's acting crazy," he called a friend, Hench, I believe it was, saying, "You need to come pick me up," like, "Mackenzie's threatening to crash, she's acting insane," all of these things. Well, when he called his friend to come get him, the friend spoke to the police, and he overheard Mackenzie saying these exact words, quote, or, I'm sorry, not her, oh yeah, sorry, her, I just, I wrote this wrong, saying, "She will crash this car right now." And let me pull this up a little bit, because I want to read this for you. Which page am I on? Oh yeah, well, this goes, sorry, I skipped a page. This just goes back to the dealing situation, because it said, "Rosie and Mackenzie on

• 31:33Annie Elise?

  the night of July 30th, prior to Mackenzie's arrival at Paul's house. In the exchange, Rosie had listed the name of people who were interested in perching controlled substances from Mackenzie." Bam, right there, black and white. Okay. So now, as we're talking about this incident from two weeks before the crash, or maybe even, yeah, like, a week and a half, she mentioned the incident from a week before the crash, where Mackenzie threatened to crash the car that she was driving while Dominic was inside it with her. And, let me see, there's one more page here, okay.

• 32:09Annie Elise?

  Let me just fast forward here. Okay. So, she's threatening, he's scared, he calls his mom, we know that, he said, "She's acting insane, like, I'm going home, whatever." However, at the very end of the documentary, her parents, still advocating for her innocence, bring up text messages, saying, "No, Mackenzie actually was saying that Dom was the aggressor. He's the one who grabbed the steering wheel. He's the one who was threatening to drive them off the road." Well, those text messages didn't come from Mackenzie until after he had already called his mom, saying what was going on, to which, by the way, his mom said, "When he called her, he was totally calm. He was fine. He wasn't angry. He was saying that Mackenzie was the one who was combative, saying, like, 'She's scaring me.'"

• 32:54Annie Elise?

  The friend, also, who went to go pick him up, said he heard Mackenzie say that she was gonna crash the car right now. And so, and that Dom was calm and nothing, like, it was, it completely contradicts everything. So, later that afternoon, after Dom gets picked up, Mackenzie then texts Dom's mom, saying, "Can you come get Dom? He just grabbed my steering wheel on the highway. He's trying to spit out my car and hurt me. There's more and more texts. And she said, 'He lied to you about it. I can't calm down when he just tried to end my life.'" Which, in my opinion, and look, gaslighting happens on both sides. In my opinion, we know that their relationship was extremely toxic. There was a lot of back and forth, a lot of

• 33:37Annie Elise?

  breaking up, a lot of hatred. He cheated on her. They were breaking up and getting back together every other week, right? Even though Rosie said it wasn't like that. It was, according to all of the friends and, you know, 180 pages, or 518 pages of this police report. But, I think that she was so desperate, because she also did have a connection with Dom's mom. They talked regularly. I think she was just trying to make sure that she wasn't, you know, that the perception was that she wasn't the aggressor in this. I think this was all a manipulation tactic, being like, "He lied to you about it. It was really him." Well, that completely is contradicted by his tone of voice when he called his mom. What the friend heard you say in the car, when Dom called him, like, but, once again,

• 34:21Annie Elise?

  trying to make it seem like she is the, that she is the victim in all of this.

• 34:29Annie Elise?

  Friends also were quoted in these police reports saying that she quote "threatened taking her own life all the time." And one friend even said, "You know, it's all the times that she threatened suicide." Mackenzie was also on antidepressants since middle school, but she reportedly stopped taking them because she didn't like the way that they made her feel. So could that be a contributing factor to her aggression, to her anger, to her ideations? Certainly possible, right? Another thing that I thought was really interesting, in addition to everybody saying that she has threatened self-harm and also has threatened to crash the car while Dom's in the car with

• 35:11Annie Elise?

  her and all of these things, she sped all the time. She was a horrifically reckless driver. We already went through some of the friends saying how they would never get in a car with her, they knew better, they advised other friends never to get in a car with her, that she was just a bad driver. She also, though, would record herself on Snapchat multiple times, going over 90 miles per hour. Some even 100 miles per hour with her left foot. So constantly pushing the boundaries and taking chances. It's not like this was a one-time thing. And again, why didn't this get talked about? That she would regularly speed and even document herself speeding?

• 35:52Annie Elise?

  We know she documented herself smoking weed and driving, but why wasn't it called out that she documented herself going over 90 miles per hour, 100 miles per hour with a left foot? Come on. Another thing that was left out that I think shows her type of behavior, her entitlement, her, you know, untouchable type attitude, is that a week prior to the crash, she and Dom actually broke and entered into a church. This church had been for sale and abandoned for about five years, but they broke inside, they were taking selfies, this is all in the police report, there was about $85,000 worth of damage apparently inside this church. None of this ever went forward, obviously, given the situation and what happened, but

• 36:37Annie Elise?

  they were hoodlums, you know? I don't know if there's a better way to describe it, but like, dealing drugs, smoking weed, partying, driving recklessly, driving impaired, breaking into churches, all for these selfies. And it kind of gives... As I, especially if you saw the documentary and watched her own Snapchat videos and all that stuff, it kind of gives like euphoria vibes a little bit, that show where it's like the jewels on the face, all you care about is how you look, what you're wearing, their relationship is kind of like a Maddie and Nate dynamic, actually, if I'm being honest. And it just, it's like glamorized in their lives. They, it's almost like they think they're living in a TV show or something. Another thing that I think speaks very highly

• 37:19Annie Elise?

  to her character, or lack thereof, is that on September 17th, 49 days after the crash, she went to a Kid Cudi festival and was partying her face off and posting about it and so happy. And we saw the thing about Halloween and all of that, but didn't see anything about that, how just, you know, a little over a month later, she's out partying. It doesn't show remorse to me, doesn't, and I get it, you move on with your life at some point, but like, I don't know, a month and a half after this horrific accident, when you were in the hospital for a big chunk of that too, it's like, really? Really? And now I want to get into the alleged sex offenses. And I want to read this verbatim

• 38:01Annie Elise?

  because I don't want to have anything that gets, you know, misinterpreted or room for error or anything like that. But it seems as they were looking through Snapchat history and as they were looking through her apps, investigators discovered that she was receiving quite a bit of money through Cash App, which could have been substance dealing, obviously. But then there were also photos that were reportedly being exchanged on Snapchat from her to other users in exchange for money. This is all alleged, okay? But I'm going to read to you what was in, you know, the report here. So it says, "The purpose of the investigation into suspected sex offenses committed by Mackenzie was for the purpose

• 38:45Annie Elise?

  of confirming or dispelling the possibility of her having been victimized and forced into committing unwanted acts. Detective Glover and I reviewed approximately 31,000 pages of material containing 93,000 text message exchanges between Mackenzie and Dom beginning January 2020 until July 30th, 2022. The messages were obtained pursuant to the search warrant for Mackenzie's cellphone." Messages indicated that Mackenzie voluntarily engaged in suspected sex acts with other people likely in exchange for monetary value without being forced to commit those acts. So, meaning Dom wasn't the one facilitating all of this, she did this on her own.

• 39:28Annie Elise?

  Kind of like in OnlyFans, but through Snapchat, sending videos, photos, getting money in return. However, this was a point of contention in her and Dom's relationship. Here's some text messages I'm going to read to you. This one's from January 25th, 2022. So, you know, seven months before, six months before the crash. Mackenzie wrote to Dom, "You realize I'm just gonna get a sugar daddy and start selling feet pics and I'm gonna be doing just fine. So this is really your last chance to handwrite me an apology or fix this, or we're really done." Then, in another text thread on March 5th, 2022, Dom wrote to her, "Yeah, you let a

• 40:13Annie Elise?

  dude fuck your feet for money like six months ago." Mackenzie replied, "We were broken up." Mackenzie added, "We were broken up and it was feet. LMAO. Once again, then leave." He's pissed because she, I don't want to get too rough here, but let a guy have sex with her feet. You can illustrate that in your mind, how it works. I remember when I was in high school, it was called like titty fucking, that's what people did, but apparently feet fucking is now something. But she's like, "Well, yeah, we were broken up and it was feet, so who cares? And if you have a problem, leave." That's what she's saying. Then, they continued to argue about it well into June. On June 8th, 2022, Dom wrote, "Yeah, I love you, but last time you started hanging out

• 40:57Annie Elise?

  with her, you literally let her sell your body to that random dude." Dom added, "And she hooked you up with the dude." Mackenzie replied, "We were broken up and it was my feet. Do you think about, oh, do you think about it more than I think about it?" Dom wrote, "You ran off and became a prostitute." Mackenzie replied, "Because I personally don't think it's bad, but if you do and we are together, then I won't do it." Dom wrote, "You could never tell your family you were a pro." Mackenzie replied, because it's only my business and it's not soliciting or you know, the P word, whatever. So clearly, he didn't like what she was doing in the many cycles in which they were broken up and she would then get money from somebody, from other

• 41:40Annie Elise?

  men instead of him because he was the one who was bankrolling her life for the most part. But during the breakup cycles, she would sell photos, images, or apparently hook up with men allegedly for money. Then on June 5th, there was another message where Dom wrote her and said, Kenzie, there is always going to be problems if you're hanging out with someone who got a dude to fuck your feet for money. So this was a problem all the way up until a month before the crash, something that they fought about regularly. And again, if you see all of her social media activities, she lived on portraying herself with this lifestyle, these designer goods, you know, hair and makeup perfect, sexy poses,

• 42:23Annie Elise?

  all of these things. That's what it's and, you know, ripping bong hits, like, that's what she prioritized. Now, this is just my personal thing that I noticed when watching the footage, and I've been saying this for years, in the footage of the crash itself. And it's very difficult to tell because it is dark, obviously, and there are certain flashes and lights that are used that show things and like, we know light bounces off of windows and all things like that. To me, and this is just my opinion, you guys watch the footage yourself, if you want to re-watch it, it's horrific to watch, but to me, it looks like when she is taking that corner very slowly, in control, before then gunning

• 43:04Annie Elise?

  it, it appears that Dom is in the passenger seat and that he's on his phone. Because I think, what I believe I see, is the light from his phone facing upward. It's a bright screen, it's completely dark car, but then a bright screen in his hands. I would argue that they were arguing about something, she was pissed he was on his phone, she was asking who he was talking to, or something. And because she was totally in control around the corner as that happened, and then from there is when she guns it, goes, doesn't hit the brake, and hits the wall. And like we have heard from so many friends, so many accounts in the past, she consistently drove recklessly, she would always go over 90 miles per hour, even bragging about it

• 43:49Annie Elise?

  and documenting it on her Snapchat, and she would regularly, okay, not regularly, but she oftentimes threatened to crash the car with Dom inside of it. So if there is still any room for doubt of whether this was intentional or not, I hope I just kind of closed the loop on that. And the majority of what I've been seeing out there from people who have either followed the case or watched the documentary, most people believe that she is guilty through and through, and that her parents are obviously just as bad and they enable her, and hello, her dad, look at her dad said she did it, according to the police report. So I don't think that she has a shot with an appeal, but I've seen crazier things, cough

• 44:31Annie Elise?

  cough, Casey Anthony. I think for her, though, she'll never admit to anything, even if she's not gonna, even if the appeal doesn't get approved, and it's like, okay, now you can tell the truth, there's nothing more that you're gonna face, even if somebody said right now, I'll let, actually, never mind, I'm not gonna say that, but if there were no repercussions for her to tell the truth right now, I still don't think that she would, because I still think in her mind, perception is all that she cares about. And I think that she doesn't even really have, you know, a remorseful bone in her body. Even the way she showed up on this freaking Netflix documentary with her hair up in this weird updo and talking a different way and things like that, it's like, all she cares

• 45:13Annie Elise?

  about is what people think about her and hoping and thinking that she is the victim in all of this. And it blows my mind. And why her friends were so obsessed with her and still hold true that like she's the victim in all of this, even though their statements to the police department in several interviews completely contradict that, it's like, okay, girl, bye. So that's where I'm at. I just wanted to throw these things out there. Food for thought for you. Curious to know what your thoughts are on this. Sound off in the comments below. Do you think that she will get an appeal? I know one of them was denied. Do you think that she's going to try to appeal again? Do you think she will get an appeal? Do you think that she is innocent? Do you think this was an accident? What do you think? I obviously have made my mind up, but curious to know what you guys think.

• 45:57Annie Elise?

  All right. Thank you guys so much for tuning in to another episode of Seriallessly. I might have more for you in the next couple of days as I keep, you know, unraveling all of these things. So make sure that you subscribe. If you're watching this on YouTube, press that subscribe button right now. And if you are listening to this on your podcast, I know you can't see what I'm doing right now. But if you open your podcast app on the episode, just go to the top three little dots in the right corner and press follow so that you are following the show and you do not miss future episodes. Other than that, I will be back with you again very, very soon. And you should go listen to the deep dive that I did earlier this week because I play so much footage in that jail calls, interviews, and do a full deep dive of the entire case.

• 46:42Annie Elise?

  So go check that out. All right, guys. Until the next one, be nice, don't kill people, don't drive like a maniac, and don't be a Mackenzie Shirilla.