377: Epstein Files Part 2: They Got Away With It…Who's Protecting Them?

Dive deeper into the unfolding investigations surrounding the Epstein files as Dr. Leslie Dobson returns to the studio, joining Annie for an eye-opening conversation that goes beyond the headlines and digs into the details. Together, they break down the latest developments, explore the unanswered questions, and examine what these revelations could mean moving forward. This is the inside look you won’t want to miss…. If you’re new here, don’t forget to follow the show for weekly deep dives into the darkest true crime cases! To watch the video version of this episode, head over to youtube.com/@annieelise. . The Epstein Files | Unpacking the Disturbing Emails & Allegations🍎 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/serialously-with-annie-elise/id1519456164?i=1000750382177💚 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/3auxcPZIVH77XOmZJBA9nk?si=4NC8R--XSReIEDB8zDMJQg📺 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dOvX4nF78I. Additional Resources from Dr. Leslie Dobson:🔗 http://epsteinoverview.com🔗http://epstein-file-explorer.com🔗https://drlesliedobson.com/.🔎Join Our True Crime Club & Get Exclusive Content & Perks..🎧 Need More to Binge? Listen to both of my weekly true crime series 10 to Life & Serialously with Annie Elise wherever you get your podcasts on the Annie Elise Channel!🍎 Apple Podcasts | Where you can also unlock access to 100+ and growing extra exclusive deep dives.💚 Spotify🔴 YouTube🎙️ All Other Platforms.📸 Follow Annie on Socials Instagram: @_annieeliseTikTok: @_annieeliseSubstack: @annieeliseFacebook: @10toLife.👗 Shop Annie’s Must-Haves! ShopMY: bit.ly/AnnieElise_ShopMy Amazon: bit.ly/AnnieElise_Amazon.🫵🏻 Get Involved or Recommend a CaseAbout Annie: www.annieelise.comFor Business Inquiries: [email protected]••••••••••••••••••🚨Disclaimers1️⃣ Some links may be affiliate links, they do not cost you anything, but I make a small percentage from the sale. Thank you so much for watching and supporting me. 2️⃣ Sources used to collect this information include various public news sites, interviews, court documents, FB groups dedicated to the case, and various news channel segments. When quoting statements made by others, they are strictly alleged until confirmed otherwise. Please remember my videos are my independent opinion and to always do your own research. 3️⃣ The views and opinions expressed in this video are personal and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of any other agency, organization, employer, or company. Assumptions made in the analysis are not reflective of the position of any entity other than the creator(s). These views are subject to change, revision, and rethinking at any time and are not to be held in perpetuity. We make no representations as to the accuracy, completeness, correctness, suitability, or validity of any information on this video and will not be liable for any errors, omissions, or delays in this information or any losses, injuries, or damages arising from its display or use. All information is provided on an as-is basis. It is the reader’s responsibility to verify their own facts.

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• 1:02Annie Elise?

  Hey, true crime besties. Welcome back to an all-new episode of Seriallessly.

• 1:24Annie Elise?

  Hello, hello, hello. Welcome back to an all-new episode of Seriallessly with me, your host, Annie E. Lys. And today, we're doing a little bit different of a deep dive than we normally do. Today's a follow-up deep dive. About a month ago, I released an episode all about the Epstein emails and files, and I was joined by a special guest, Dr. Leslie Dobson, forensic psychologist, currently working with Congress, trying to decipher what all of these emails and files mean, moving forward for change. And we had a really, I wanted to say, open conversation in that episode about the allegations, what the public is saying, some of the conspiracies, what's fact, what's fiction. And at the end

• 2:07Annie Elise?

  of it, I asked you guys, "Hey, do you want a part two? Is there more that you want to know? What questions do you have about all of this if you've been seeing it in your feed?" So today, we are doing part two to that episode. So if you have not listened to part one, I will link it in the show notes, whether it's the audio version or the video version, as a reminder for all of my YouTube watchers on here. Everything is going to be highly, highly censored in the video version. So if you want the uncensored version, you either can go listen on the podcast feed where it is completely uncut, uncensored, or you can get the video version, uncut, uncensored on Patreon. But we have to censor it for YouTube guidelines on YouTube. Um, welcome back, Dr. Leslie.

• 2:51Speaker 03

  Thanks for having me. I feel like we're gonna need like a part 35.

• 2:54Annie Elise?

  I know. This is a new series. This is a new podcast. No, um, I know.

• 2:58Speaker 03

  Amazing.

• 2:59Annie Elise?

  Ever since our last conversation, we've stayed, obviously, in touch. We're friends and we've been texting. There's been another drop of 47,000 new documents. There's been Clinton's deposition. There's been more information, a new arrest, like which, because I don't think we had ever talked about Prince Andrew's arrest on the last episode. I think that happened right after. So there's a lot I want to go over. I mean, you can see I have like all my notes here. I have questions that you guys have sent in from like Instagram that you want us to answer. And so what I want to do today, yeah, is just pick up a little bit where we left off. Maybe we'll circle back to a couple of things too, but just talk through what is going on right now.

• 3:37Annie Elise?

  You obviously are working alongside some congressmen and working through this too, trying to make sense of everything, saying what's going to be actionable. Yeah. So why don't we start with that? Just talk to me about where things are at right now.

• 3:49Speaker 03

  So a lot of Congress follow me on mostly Instagram. I don't think they're cool enough on TikTok.

• 3:55Annie Elise?

  Not TikTok users? Congress doesn't use TikTok?

• 3:58Speaker 03

  Um, so both sides, right? Democrats and Republicans are both trying to figure out, how do we make sense of all of this? Because what we're seeing now with the most recent drop is, so we've got the most recent drop. We've got information about the case with Trump, with the 12 and the 13 year old girl. And we've got Clinton, Bill and Hillary Clinton's depositions. And then in that most recent drop, we're seeing Putin. We're seeing Russian intelligence.

• 4:28Annie Elise?

  Which, when you told me that, okay, you called me the other day when I was driving down to Palm Springs and you were like, and I forget what exactly you had said, but basically saying there's allegations that Epstein was a Russian asset.

• 4:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 4:43Annie Elise?

  Which I'm currently, I don't know if you ever watch this, I'm rewatching The Americans right now.

• 4:47Speaker 03

  No, I haven't.

• 4:47Annie Elise?

  Okay, so it's all about like the KGB and all these stuff. So I was like, what's happening? Am I living in an alternate universe? Like, what's going on?

• 4:54Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 4:54Annie Elise?

  And it sounds wild to think, but you had explained why. So can you break that down a little bit of where that comes from?

• 5:01Speaker 03

  And I wrote this out. And also, I'm sorry if I can't pronounce these names.

• 5:04Annie Elise?

  No, that's fine. That's fine. We'll give you grace for that.

• 5:08Speaker 03

  So we were all kind of looking at Israel, you know, is he an asset for Israel? But now to me, I'm like, wait, is he a double agent? Or is he run by Russia and then schooling Israel and then everyone else, right? Is he a con man? Or is he one of the most epic spies we've ever seen?

• 5:28Annie Elise?

  Well, because to that point, I mean, it could, I guess, go either way because he was surrounding himself with very elite influential people and that he was almost arguably targeting them to get them in his orbit.

• 5:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 5:40Annie Elise?

  So that he would then have leverage and secrets and, you know, dirt and blackmail on all of these people. So are you doing that because you're a con man and you want the whole finance company from whatever his face is, Wexner or whatever? And or is it because, yeah, you're a spy?

• 5:54Speaker 03

  Yeah. And it says in the emails over and over that he attempted to get to Putin, but he could never get to him. But he is, Putin's mentioned a thousand times in the emails.

• 6:05Annie Elise?

  Wow.

• 6:06Speaker 03

  And then there are Russian elites. Now, I don't know if I'm going to pronounce this right, an ex deputy minister Sergey

• 6:13Annie Elise?

  Sergey Belkivak.

• 6:16Annie Elise?

  Beljakov, Beljakov, okay.

• 6:18Speaker 03

  So he was a Russian security official for the Federal Security Service. So what they do is they do domestic intelligence and counterintelligence. Why is he all over the files? Why is he emailing Epstein?

• 6:33Annie Elise?

  Is it, do you think it's because he wanted to go to one of Epstein's famous parties? Or things like that? Or you think it was more business conversation?

• 6:40Speaker 03

  It was definitely more business conversation because what he was trying to do was get to a Norwegian asset, the ex-prime minister who, again, Thornbourne, Jagland.

• 6:51Annie Elise?

  Okay.

• 6:52Speaker 03

  Now, he was leveraging people in Epstein's network. The Russian guy was leveraging people in Epstein's network to get to other countries.

• 7:02Annie Elise?

  So now, in addition, and tell me if I'm understanding the story, in addition to the claims of cannibalism, jerky, trap doors that lead out to the sea, all of these pizza gate, all these things, now there's this new thing entering the fold of was Epstein a Russian, a spy for Russia?

• 7:24Speaker 03

  Right. And what they asked Clinton during the deposition, and one, I take major issue with that deposition.

• 7:31Annie Elise?

  The Bill Clinton's deposition, yeah.

• 7:32Speaker 03

  Yes, like, I appreciate that Congress is doing this, but only lawyers should be giving depositions.

• 7:38Annie Elise?

  So let's, let's table, I guess, let's, let's table the Russian piece of it for a minute. Let's talk about Bill Clinton's deposition, and then we can tie it back in with the question leading into the Russia.

• 7:48Speaker 03

  So the link between Clinton and Russia is the honeypot scheme.

• 7:53Annie Elise?

  What's that?

• 7:53Speaker 03

  So he was asked directly if he was in a honeypot scheme. And again, it was a stupid question because of the way it was phrased. It was, a lawyer would ask it better, but a honeypot is an intelligence or espionage, it's espionage. I can't say the word.

• 8:09Annie Elise?

  Espionage, yeah.

• 8:10Speaker 03

  Espionage.

• 8:11Annie Elise?

  Yeah.

• 8:11Speaker 03

  I'm very tired. Okay, so it's the deliberate sexual entrapment. Of a person, it's a planned out operation to entrap them and then leverage the the video footage or the pictures for something political or financial. And so it's very common, Russians do this a lot.

• 8:31Annie Elise?

  So they asked Clinton in the deposition if he had any involvement?

• 8:35Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 8:35Annie Elise?

  And what was his response?

• 8:37Speaker 03

  He giggled and granted, this deposition was four and a half hours.

• 8:41Annie Elise?

  Well, and he giggled a lot during the deposition.

• 8:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, and I don't know what his medical status is or his cognitive status because he was shaking, you know, like medically shaking, not nervous shaking. But when he was handed those pictures, he giggled and he looked at them with such admiration.

• 8:57Annie Elise?

  I saw some of that where he looked at it where it's like, sometimes it was an outright smile, other times it was almost like smiling with his eyes, but where he looked at them with like, as if it was like a fond memory.

• 9:08Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 9:09Annie Elise?

  Yeah.

• 9:09Speaker 03

  Yes, I mean, the people who have, who have mocked it and made videos, they're really, really funny.

• 9:15Annie Elise?

  So let's talk about the deposition as a whole. What was your, what, what would, were the biggest takeaways from that deposition that you saw and that gave you pause or is making you question things?

• 9:27Speaker 03

  Well, I've never believed him, right? If you look back to his original depositions with Monica Lewinsky, he was very careful with his words. He danced around the topic, a lot of tap dancing, you know, I didn't have relations or defined sex, things like that. And he did similar things, but just not as savvy or crafty. He wasn't as articulate this time around. But he did say that picture in the hot tub was because he was invited there for an AIDS, they were on an AIDS trip and he was invited there by a Sultan. Now, Sultans are mentioned like, I don't know, 10,000 times in the files. There's a lot of Sultans, but the Sultan of Brunei was the one who invited him.

• 10:09Speaker 03

  He's in there 175 times and he is talking to Epstein about sexual things.

• 10:15Annie Elise?

  The Sultan is.

• 10:16Speaker 03

  The Sultan is.

• 10:17Annie Elise?

  What kind of things is he talking with Epstein about?

• 10:19Speaker 03

  Getting girls.

• 10:21Annie Elise?

  So he and Epstein are having these exchanges about obtaining girls and then he invites Clinton to this hot tub, hot tub party. That's where that picture is. And I know Clinton had also said that my secret service was right nearby, which it's like, that means jack shit. Hello, like, come on, that doesn't mean anything. You know what? Let me just say this too, on the record, and I said it in the last episode too. I think. Most people can agree, this isn't a left or a right thing anymore. This is a humanity thing. It's calling out dangerous people, predator, predators. It's calling out the bad behavior regardless of which side of the political fence you're on. And so I saw some people commenting like, oh, like you're just bashing Trump. You're doing this. No, no, no, there's plenty of bad behavior to go around.

• 11:04Annie Elise?

  It's not about pushing one narrative or another. And then I thought something else was interesting. And I don't remember where I exactly saw this, but I thought that it was a really powerful statement. People who are saying, this is all unfounded. There's no proof. There's not this, it's like, is it unfounded or is it uninvestigated? Because it seems like there is lengthy amount of digital evidence and trails to back up a lot of this. Has it been adjudicated? Obviously not. And that's why everybody's so freaking pissed off right now. Like where is the follow up? Where are the arrests and what's happening? But going to the deposition, I just wanted to mention like, it's not red. It's not, uh, yellow. It's not red. It's not blue. It's calling out bad behavior on both sides.

• 11:46Speaker 03

  And I think the part that, that politics come into, like, they're all bad. These are horrible monsters, right? But we're at this point where, where Trump does have the authority to unredact these files. Now, does he not have the authority? Do other countries literally have authority over him? You know, we don't know how systemic this is. Why hasn't it come out earlier? That's a fabulous question, but we have so much now. Why can't we keep going with it? And when, when we entered Iran and bombed them, I don't know what you want to say. Took out, took out the Ayatollah.

• 12:30Speaker 03

  There were 60,000 pages taken off of the DOJ on the Epstein website.

• 12:35Annie Elise?

  At the same time.

• 12:35Speaker 03

  At the same time. And there were further redactions. Now, they've been continually, continuously doing this.

• 12:42Annie Elise?

  Removing and redacting.

• 12:43Speaker 03

  Mm hmm. Yeah. And that's why I wanted, if we can put in the show notes or draw your audience to where to look for the other files. But if you're looking just solely on the DOJ, you can see them toying with the files.

• 12:55Annie Elise?

  So you think that that was not a distraction, but you know, the timing of it is convenient to where you have everybody looking in one direction. So you have the misdirection of then removing these files, redacting them.

• 13:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 13:06Annie Elise?

  And am I understanding this correctly in saying that you're saying?

• 13:11Annie Elise?

  We don't know if Trump even has the power to be the one making the decision to unredact everything. Everybody right now is like, Trump, unredact it. You're not, you're not unredacting it because you're guilty and it's going to show what a scumbag you are and this and that. But you are saying, well, does this go so much higher above Trump's pay grade, where other people in more powerful positions are in control to where maybe he doesn't have the authority?

• 13:34Speaker 03

  Right.

• 13:35Annie Elise?

  That's interesting.

• 13:36Speaker 03

  Right. And, you know, I started going down this thought process when I interviewed Eric Swalwell, who's running for Democratic governor in California. And I don't know who I'm going to endorse either side. I don't know. I really want to learn what people are actually going to do and how they're going to help Americans and stand up for this country. And what I found out was that there was a Chinese spy planted in Eric's campaign before he even ran for Congress 10 years ago.

• 14:01Annie Elise?

  Wow.

• 14:01Speaker 03

  Right when I was graduating from my doctorate. China knew that that guy was going to go somewhere in politics and they put a spy in his campaign. The FBI found out, they told him, he fired the spy. There's a bunch of conspiracy around all that too. But it is known that China knew he was someone to watch.

• 14:18Annie Elise?

  Wow.

• 14:19Speaker 03

  Now, that to me is such a level of sophistication that we can't outweigh, we can't deny the fact that Trump may be compromised and as well as so many other leaders. And then we have, you know, Cash Patel, who fired people looking into the Epstein files and Cash Patel, who just fired 12 Iranian terrorist specialists from the FBI.

• 14:44Annie Elise?

  So if I'm understanding this right, and maybe I'm not, so please correct me if I'm completely missing the mark on this. Where maybe laypeople like myself have been thinking, oh, nobody's investigating the Epstein files. They're not unredacting it because they're trying to protect Epstein, Trump, Clinton.

• 15:03Annie Elise?

  Call it the Illuminati, Jay-Z, whoever the hell else like that's why they're just trying to protect men in power when really it's to protect intelligence secrets, countries who are pulling the strings, higher level operations regarding war and the country and things like that. It's not about bad behavior. It goes even higher.

• 15:23Speaker 03

  I think it's both.

• 15:24Annie Elise?

  Okay.

• 15:25Speaker 03

  I think it's both, you know, and it comes to that, our capacity to hold that duality, which people struggle with, you know, I'm happy we ended the life of that horrible person in Iran, but his son took over and I'm not happy we're going to war. So it's, we have to be able to hold the duality of both. Like this was a nasty group of people. We have names, nothing's happening to them. Professors, you know, the students are taking it upon themselves to burn their cars.

• 15:53Annie Elise?

  And why do you think that nothing's happening? Because yes, people are resigning, people, there's of course, public outrage, but why is nothing actually happening with arrests?

• 16:04Speaker 03

  Well, and I think, I think the, the case with the 13 year old and Trump is a good example. And not to talk directly about Trump, but it's a good example of how this world works when you get to this level of eliteness and, and financial ability, right? And when you have the CIA involved, you have assets and you have any amount of money in the entire world to give to someone to shut them up, right? So this case, that came out last week as well, is that there are these allegations against Trump harming a 13 year old and we only had one of the investigations, but then a reporter found that there were four investigations. So they put forward, they're redacted still, but they put forward the other three, right?

• 16:48Speaker 03

  It was deemed credible and then she backed down the victim and said that the blackmailing and the abuse and the threats were too overwhelming for her.

• 16:59Annie Elise?

  Gosh.

• 17:00Speaker 03

  And who, who knows if it's viable, but that there was so much blackmailing, it led to her mother going to prison.

• 17:06Annie Elise?

  Wow. For what?

• 17:07Speaker 03

  I don't know. It didn't say in the files and we don't know who it is.

• 17:11Annie Elise?

  How interesting.

• 17:12Speaker 03

  But it was deemed credible and she backed down. It never went anywhere because it appeared to be so dangerous for her.

• 17:22Annie Elise?

  Yeah, people in power have an ability to shut things down.

• 17:24Speaker 03

  Right. And so you know Obama knows all of this. You know Clinton knows all of this. Hillary Clinton knows all of this. Anyone up there knows all of this.

• 17:33Annie Elise?

  Has had access to this.

• 17:34Speaker 03

  And they've all been complicit. They haven't stopped it. They haven't brought this forward. But now what we're seeing is that Trump is in office right now and he's actively trying to prevent it from coming out further. So I think he is going to get a lot of blame because he's the face of it right now. But they're all involved.

• 17:54Annie Elise?

  Yeah. That's interesting. Why do you think it's coming out now that Trump's in office?

• 18:00Speaker 03

  I think the timing of Thomas Massey and Ro Khanna working together and subpoenaing subpoenaing the Epstein estate was a brilliant idea because I don't think anyone had done that before. And then the files were previously sealed as well.

• 18:18Annie Elise?

  Yeah.

• 18:18Speaker 03

  Now, I do think that Trump used that as leverage to campaign on the Epstein files. He campaigned on the Epstein files.

• 18:26Annie Elise?

  That's right. When he was like, I'll release it all. Yeah, we're not going to have secrets. But yeah, it's like, well, do you? Why isn't it then released and redacted? Is it because you actually can't deliver on that promise? Or is it because you are intentionally hiding shit?

• 18:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, right. And you know, it was a smart way to campaign. It was savvy, but it's not being followed through on. So now we have all these questions, of course.

• 18:49Annie Elise?

  Well, and to your point, I think it is a really smart way to campaign because everything that the public has been demanding for years now is transparency. They just want to know what is going on. However, it's like, once you start learning what's going on, it's almost too unbelievable to be believable, to think that, and I'm just going to make a very like dumb elementary comparison here, but it's like to think that shows like Scandal or The Americans or things like that have any sort of.

• 19:17Annie Elise?

  I don't know, tiny bit that are rooted in truth, or that's how things operate. I remember, I don't know if you've seen Scandal, and I'm not trying to say, guys, that Scandal is real, don't come for me. But if you've ever seen it, they, she obviously works in the White House alongside the president, there's cover-ups, all sorts of things. And then there's this group called like, what is it, like, B62, or B60 something, whatever, where it's like, they're actually the ones who are controlling the president, and controlling all that. And I'm not saying that that's what's happening now. Obviously, that's very conspiracy territory. But when you see little things like that, and then now, decades later, you're starting to see things that align with that, and the files, like, is that so, was it rooted in some truth, because some people have not, like, is there more to that, maybe?

• 19:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 19:59Annie Elise?

  That's interesting.

• 20:00Speaker 03

  I think it's not just America. I think the world is, is waking up to the fact that the corruption is so significant. You know, we can't live in The Truman Show anymore.

• 20:12Annie Elise?

  Yeah.

• 20:13Speaker 03

  And I don't know if it's the access to social media, I mean, we have whistleblowers, we have so, this math, this vast ability to, to gain information. And then we have the Epstein files, which is a world conspiracy of money laundering, sex trafficking. It's amazing. I mean, they, the recent drop talks about 9/11.

• 20:38Annie Elise?

  So let's actually talk about the recent drop, and maybe even reference the original drop. I want to talk about some of the specific files. I don't know if you have file numbers readily available, or if there's specific ones you want to reference, but why don't we talk through, what are a couple of the biggest new revelations that have come out in the files?

• 20:59Speaker 03

  Um, you know, for me, being a doctor, I was, I'm very focused on the doctors in the files, and how they're still practicing.

• 21:09Annie Elise?

  Some of them are not practicing, though, is that right?

• 21:11Speaker 03

  Some are professors.

• 21:13Annie Elise?

  Okay, let me pull up my list here.

• 21:15Speaker 03

  Um, some have stepped down from roles, but maintained private practices. But most of them are still actively licensed. And-

• 21:25Annie Elise?

  Just to play devil's advocate here a little bit, I'm looking at this list of doctors. Key ones from 2026 drops, no full master list, redactions, here's who pops out. And it shows how many times they have been mentioned. Steven Victor, for example, a dermatologist, it says hundreds of mentions, treated girls for STIs, got loans and payments from Epstein in his will, things like that. So that I would guess you could argue if he's treating girls for STIs and things like that. Like there probably is something shady going on there. But what about like Dean Ornish, invited him to Lenox Hill event in 2014 honoring a guru? Is that just, it was one of Epstein's parties, it was a black tie gala.

• 22:08Annie Elise?

  It's another doctor who happened to be invited or attend, or is there something further in the files? That ties him in some sort of sinister way to like bad behavior?

• 22:18Speaker 03

  Not that I've seen.

• 22:19Annie Elise?

  Okay. But so which of these doctors would you say are tied to potential bad behavior? Steven Victor, probably.

• 22:28Speaker 03

  Well, I think all of them were aware that he was a sex offender.

• 22:32Annie Elise?

  Okay. Oh, because it was post 2012.

• 22:34Speaker 03

  Post conviction.

• 22:35Annie Elise?

  Okay.

• 22:36Speaker 03

  And so that to me, that to me was.

• 22:39Annie Elise?

  Why are you engaging with a predator who's on the registry?

• 22:42Speaker 03

  Right, yeah. And then you've got the ones who like Adam Ramoff, I think he's a big one. He was providing the birth control and the STI shots to them, right? Then you've got the doctors who were stitching up the girls who had their vaginas ripped open.

• 23:01Annie Elise?

  What?

• 23:01Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 23:02Annie Elise?

  Hold on, hold, hold on.

• 23:04Speaker 03

  Search the files for stitches.

• 23:06Annie Elise?

  Okay, actually I don't want to, but yeah, um, hold on. Okay, yeah, can you expand on that a little bit?

• 23:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, they're, I don't know if I have their names right here. But there are, the girls were injured a lot and they were taken to doctors to be checked out because part of the sexual abuse was violent sexual abuse. And as we've seen and as Christie, no, I'm sorry, as Pam Bondi mentioned on that hot mic, there's 12,000 videos that they aren't going to show.

• 23:39Annie Elise?

  And can you just remind listeners, because I know you and I have talked about this offline, can you remind them what was this hot mic moment that was captured? Because you can find it out there, too. It's out there. It's a video, I believe.

• 23:50Speaker 03

  It's a video. She's at, it looks like a cafe.

• 23:53Annie Elise?

  Yeah, a restaurant of sorts.

• 23:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, talking to somebody and then somebody across the way, I don't know, maybe five, six feet, is videotaping her talking. And she says, you know, and this was last year, and she says, well, we don't really know when this is all going to come out because there's like 12,000 videos and they're all just little girls.

• 24:15Annie Elise?

  Oh, my God.

• 24:16Speaker 03

  Right. So the fact that she just got subpoenaed and is going to have to talk, answer questions in front of Congress again for this case is a big deal. But again, she's a lawyer. A lot of congresspeople are not lawyers.

• 24:32Annie Elise?

  Yeah, she knows how to wordsmith. She knows how to work around certain things.

• 24:35Speaker 03

  Right.

• 24:36Annie Elise?

  So with these doctors, obviously, there was a lot of awful stuff happening, a lot of abuse and assaults going on. So these doctors are alleged to have participated in the cover up to some degree, whether that is prescribing medication, performing not surgery, but stitch ups and things like that.

• 24:58Speaker 03

  And abortions.

• 24:59Annie Elise?

  And yeah.

• 24:59Speaker 03

  Right? And then we have IVF and we have fertility. And Epstein was using his embryos or using his sperm in the eggs of the trafficked victims and then impregnating them. To make these perfect children. Now, one thing that's always been so disturbing, and it's even more so now in the new files, are the babies. There are so many babies mentioned, and we don't really know who the babies are, who they came from, where they went.

• 25:28Annie Elise?

  And why they're mentioning it so many times.

• 25:30Speaker 03

  Right. What did they do with these babies? We have the actual emails of Jeffrey Epstein.

• 25:37Annie Elise?

  Yeah.

• 25:37Speaker 03

  They didn't redact his Gmail password. That's how we made Jmail. If you look up Jmail, it's literally all his emails because a hacker took the password, took all the emails, and made a new account.

• 25:51Annie Elise?

  Wow.

• 25:52Speaker 03

  Like, that's how dumb they were at the beginning. Now, they're getting more sophisticated with reductions and realizing that the public's not going to let this go.

• 26:01Annie Elise?

  Mm-hmm.

• 26:01Speaker 03

  But it's just ridiculous to think that they weren't doing something with babies. They were, he wanted to make the perfect person, and he kept his spermistill in an IVF clinic, his embryos. And then we have emails saying things like, you know, you can sell drugs once, but you can sell a child over and over.

• 26:26Annie Elise?

  Yeah, I've seen those. It's all, I mean, everything is just so incredibly dark, and I think that's why sometimes it's difficult for people, myself included, to even believe that there's validity in a lot of it, just because it's so difficult to wrap your mind around it.

• 26:42Speaker 03

  Right.

• 26:43Annie Elise?

  But I said it last time, where there's smoke, there's fire. And when there are certain search terms or keywords used that many times, and that much bad behavior or alleged bad behavior, there's gotta be some sort of rooted truth there.

• 27:00Speaker 03

  Right.

• 27:01Annie Elise?

  At least in my opinion.

• 27:02Speaker 03

  Right. And, you know, I would never, like, I want Epstein to burn in hell, you know, but I have to say, in some of the videos, when he's describing what other people did, he himself looked like he was gonna gag. So I think he was also playing into these powerful men's and men's fetishes.

• 27:23Annie Elise?

  But he had fetishes himself.

• 27:25Speaker 03

  He did. He was absolutely disgusting, but I think he'd even went past whatever his ability was to digest it.

• 27:33Annie Elise?

  Like if he wanted the massage from the young girl, Ghislaine would curate them, then he would sexually assault them and he liked younger girls and this and that. But something going so far as him participating in cannibalism or him doing something, he was more of the orchestrator, the cover guy, the cleaner, the fixer and the curator. Okay.

• 27:53Speaker 03

  I think so.

• 27:54Annie Elise?

  And he just had all of these powerful people in his orbit.

• 27:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 27:58Annie Elise?

  And he wanted that leverage to continue his rise to power because he came from, you know, he's a nobody. And then, or if he's trading secrets.

• 28:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, or if he's a known asset.

• 28:08Annie Elise?

  Yeah.

• 28:09Speaker 03

  Yeah. And that's why I made a list of all of these key words.

• 28:14Annie Elise?

  Yeah, I want to go through those. So can you just tell me, what does sugar sandwiches mean?

• 28:19Speaker 03

  Sugar sandwiches, I haven't been, it's, it's not clear. It appears to be like a sweet little girl or a virgin.

• 28:27Annie Elise?

  Okay.

• 28:28Speaker 03

  So, I mean, we definitely, one common fantasy in people not in the Epstein files is to take a child's virginity.

• 28:36Annie Elise?

  Of course.

• 28:37Speaker 03

  Right? Sexual predators want to be the first one. That's, those are part of the Trump allegations is that Epstein was, Epstein or Trump, one of them was mad at each other for taking the virginity of a little girl and it led to a fight.

• 28:51Annie Elise?

  Well, and I'm just going to actually really quickly interject here and I'm going to share some very disturbing facts with you guys. I have been vocal before, I partner with an organization called CRC, Child Rescue Coalition. They are fantastic. They've created a software that they help partner with law enforcement to identify offenders. When people are exchanging CSAM material, they can pinpoint it on a map. I mean, they're incredible. If you guys have never looked into them, you definitely should explore it. But my point is, when I began partnering with them in more of a official capacity, I learned more about their technology, went through their demonstrations and it was almost as though my worst fears were realized because not only is there, of course, everybody's like, oh, she's like, there's a need for college guys, even she's a virgin, this and that.

• 29:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 29:35Annie Elise?

  But predators, and they specialize in predators, there is such a market for underage children.

• 29:44Annie Elise?

  Not just prepubescent children. I have seen the material with the umbilical cords still attached. That they either assault them because the mom gets paid and delivers it, or they kidnap, whatever it happens. And abuse material inflicted upon these infants. And it's a very real thing. So while I know that it can sound so dark and awful in these files and these allegations, I just wanted to interject and tell you guys with a known organization who combats this stuff, who has made so many arrests, who partners with law enforcement. I have seen it with my own eyes. There is such a darkness out there in the world that there is a whole market for predators

• 30:26Annie Elise?

  who go after literally a one-minute-old child because they are as pure as they can get. And it is fucking sick and twisted. It truly is.

• 30:37Speaker 03

  And so, I mean, why I'm so fascinated by this is because that's my world, right? I'm a forensic psychologist. I work with these guys. I work with cannibals, as the Wall Street Journal wanted to only mention. But I work with high-risk sex offenders. I Google Coalinga State Hospital in Northern California. That's where we warehouse all of them. When I walk into that hospital, they line up, the men line up, and they applaud. They are so disturbing. But going through their files and seeing what they've done, killing people, killing

• 31:14Speaker 03

  babies, and then sexually assaulting them, using fecal matter, it's drinking blood, cannibalism, eating them while they're in the act, after the act, cooking them or not cooking them.

• 31:28Annie Elise?

  Oh, my God.

• 31:29Speaker 03

  The reality is that we have court records of all of these guys documented. We had to go to trial. This is real.

• 31:38Annie Elise?

  Yeah, it's a very real, it's a very real thing that happens. It's not just make-believe with Epstein and these powerful people. It has happened with bottom-of-the-barrel dirtbag people. And they've gotten caught for it. And so to think that it's such a far cry that it's happening with these influential people, I mean, it's not.

• 31:56Speaker 03

  No, I mean, just last week, didn't the guy get arrested for having sex with a dead animal on the side of the road? What was the animal? That was a larger animal, I was surprised.

• 32:05Annie Elise?

  I was gonna say goat, but I could be wrong. I mean, honestly.

• 32:10Speaker 03

  I would hate to walk up on that, but that's just a guy on the street.

• 32:14Annie Elise?

  Yeah.

• 32:15Speaker 03

  Imagine if you have a curated menu.

• 32:18Annie Elise?

  And you're doing it in secrecy and nobody will find out and you're on this island enacting your worst, most depraved fantasies and you have the ability to do it in secret.

• 32:29Speaker 03

  Right.

• 32:29Annie Elise?

  What would you do? And you could, and that's a great question. It's like, if you could do anything in the world right now, your most, your biggest fetish, your most perverted thought, your darkest thought, any thoughts of hurting an old enemy? If you could do the darkest or most perverted thing that's in your mind and know that you would never get caught, what would it be? And I hope everybody's like, I don't have those thoughts. I've got, I fucking hope so, but it's true.

• 32:55Speaker 03

  But if you don't have those thoughts, then why don't I give you one out of 10 and see how you like it? Let me give you two out of 10 and see how you like that. Let me give you three.

• 33:03Annie Elise?

  Yeah.

• 33:04Speaker 03

  And that's what Epstein did.

• 33:05Annie Elise?

  Yeah.

• 33:05Speaker 03

  And he did it to royalty.

• 33:07Annie Elise?

  Yeah.

• 33:07Speaker 03

  And he did it to presidents. He did it to sultans and he strategically got them to email. So he had evidence as well. He videotaped it. There are cameras in Kleenex boxes all around his, his apartment complex. He had 17 apartments within that New York estate. Right? His brother co-owned that. His family's still around. His brother's still talking. You know, his sister is still verbal about this.

• 33:33Annie Elise?

  Well, and I think that's an interesting point too, that I think you and I spoke about on the phone regarding the surveillance of it all, how many cameras he had hidden, not only these emails, but basically having blackmail on all of these people.

• 33:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 33:47Annie Elise?

  Then when you tie in, let's just say pizza gate. Okay. And how many, I don't know if you have it on here, how many times pizza was even mentioned? But we know it was mentioned, you know, all the time, pizza parties. Thanks for the pizza party. Come over for pizza. Where it's like, first and foremost, what billionaire is having pizza that often? Who's throwing pizza parties? But if you're at such a level where you are having surveillance in your house, capturing Bill Gates, Bill Clinton, sultans, whatever, whoever they are.

• 34:19Annie Elise?

  I just feel like that's for a purpose to capture something, not just capture a harmless pizza party that you're having with them, right? So it's like, if you just kind of read between the lines, obviously, there's no, if I'm having my girls over for a Galentine's Day pizza party, I also don't have 17 cameras wired in my kitchen to film them because nothing nefarious is going on. It's pizza, but like, if there's other shit, that's why you want to film.

• 34:43Speaker 03

  And people knew, like, his brother Mark, in an email, said, "Oh, yeah, I was curious what that girl was doing there, because she seemed a little old for you."

• 34:54Annie Elise?

  Yeah.

• 34:55Speaker 03

  In an email, right? So, we still have a lot of information to gain. We have to start investigating this. And I think with the Alexander Brothers being found guilty yesterday, beautiful.

• 35:10Annie Elise?

  Now, for those who are unfamiliar with the Alexander Brothers, we did a deep dive on this about, gosh, maybe a year ago, maybe a little longer. It was like, right around the time when they were being arrested and everything was coming to light. But can you just let everybody know about that case? They are the three powerful people in New York, the brothers, real estate tycoons, and they were now convicted, yeah, of multiple sexual assaults.

• 35:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, I can break it down. So, we have Orin, Tal, and Alon? Alon? I'm not sure.

• 35:42Annie Elise?

  Yeah, I remember the pronunciation was a little weird with that one.

• 35:45Speaker 03

  Okay, so luxury brokers, two of them, or one, there's a pair of twins, right? One of the convictions was they raped a girl together, which that's just fucking twisted.

• 35:55Annie Elise?

  Yeah, why having sex with your family of weirdos?

• 35:58Speaker 03

  So gross. So, trafficking, abuse, drugging the girls at parties, and one of the rapes that was described happened at Epstein's house. So, we have major ties, because they're all in the same area, they're all in the elite same group, their, their real estate firm sold things to Epstein, so we have monetary ties as well. And so, in the trial, they tried to basically throw this all out, because they said that the jury was going to be biased because of the Epstein files coming out. But I actually think it was great timing. The jury was so fucking infuriated that nothing's being done about the Epstein files, that they're doing something about these guys. Which I'm so happy about, but...

• 36:41Speaker 03

  So 11 girls testified, but it could have been, you know, almost 100 that would have testified. And I say girls, they're women now, I believe, but they were, some were girls, young, when they were assaulted. And they were assaulted all over. They were trafficked to different states and countries, and then they were raped and they were drugged. And the trial played out and showed that these girls were telling the truth. These girls, exactly like the girls, exactly like the survivors of Epstein, same story, right? Except, you know, maybe these are more easily fall guys.

• 37:19Annie Elise?

  Yeah.

• 37:19Speaker 03

  Because they're realtors.

• 37:20Annie Elise?

  Yeah. It's more mainstream, almost. And it's not so like, it's not so complex. It is, in the sense of everything they did and how many victims there were, but it's not as complex as all of the allegations where you have to like untangle this whole web now, like you do with the Epstein of it all.

• 37:36Speaker 03

  Right. Right. So, and then this also, this plays back to, which I think we'll be seeing a lot more over the next few months. We'll just guess, you know, our premonitions here. I think the Playboy Mansion is heavily involved with Epstein.

• 37:56Annie Elise?

  Really?

• 37:56Speaker 03

  Heavily.

• 37:57Annie Elise?

  I mean, I'm not that surprised to hear you say that, but why do you say that?

• 38:01Speaker 03

  Because Hugh Hefner has three stories of black books, of Polaroids.

• 38:09Annie Elise?

  Wow.

• 38:10Speaker 03

  Of taking pictures of his parties. Why would you do that?

• 38:14Annie Elise?

  It wasn't like casting photos or anything like that?

• 38:17Speaker 03

  It was everyone.

• 38:18Annie Elise?

  Oh.

• 38:19Speaker 03

  It was everyone. And so, right now, there's a lawsuit. Crystal Harris, his wife.

• 38:24Annie Elise?

  Oh, I think I did see that.

• 38:25Speaker 03

  Who she was trafficked as well, is suing, trying to get those books.

• 38:30Annie Elise?

  So that they're not exposed?

• 38:32Speaker 03

  No, she wants to.

• 38:33Annie Elise?

  Oh, I thought she wanted to get them so that the images of the underage girls are not released.

• 38:38Speaker 03

  She wants to protect the victims, but she wants to expose the trafficking ring that was going on, that Epstein learned from.

• 38:44Annie Elise?

  Oh.

• 38:45Speaker 03

  So Hugh Hefner was a teacher. To Epstein. Now, the other side of this is that the lawsuit is, it's difficult, right? Gloria Allred is fronting this lawsuit, but Hugh Hefner has two brothers and they want those black books. Of course. And if you go on Crystal's Instagram, she's got photos from inside. She's got photos of the books and everything. They want those books because they want to alter the information and hide it and scale down the story of what their brother did. Wow. So we are like, this is active litigation and I'm very curious how, how this is going to turn out.

• 39:27Annie Elise?

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• 40:11Annie Elise?

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• 40:50Annie Elise?

  Do you think that between, I don't know, Clinton's deposition, when Pam Bondi goes in front of Congress, or anything like that, do you think more information will come to light? Or do you think it's all going to be the public who is demanding answers and deciphering all of the information that they're able to pull off the internet?

• 41:10Speaker 03

  I have three guesses. I would say we're gonna have more whistleblowers. I think our devoted FBI agents are fed up with this shit and they hate Cash Patel. So we're gonna have whistleblowers because so many people have seen the unredacted files. So many people did this, right? We're gonna have whistleblowers coming out. I think we're gonna have other countries that are capable of getting these files before the redactions occurred, right? We also have, we had, what, five terabytes hacked? And I think they said they got four back. I don't know what that means, but some country had the capacity to get in there and take stuff. When are they gonna use that and leverage that?

• 41:48Annie Elise?

  Right.

• 41:49Speaker 03

  Right? And then I think we're going to have leaks. Like, not just whistleblowers, but we're gonna have leaks coming out. We're gonna have people coming forward with evidence that they've been too scared to come forward with before. And once we rally enough behind them, and we need billionaires to support them, because they're gonna get sued for defamation.

• 42:14Annie Elise?

  But the problem is the billionaires are rolling with that crowd.

• 42:18Speaker 03

  Right.

• 42:18Annie Elise?

  Yeah.

• 42:18Speaker 03

  So as soon as we start to see this turn of turning against the people stopping this and the people with the money backing the survivors, and again, we don't, we don't put it on politics necessarily, but if the House does flip Democrat, I think Congress people wanna be in the cool crowd, right? The cool crowd right now is like, no, no, no, like, let's not expose this. I don't wanna put myself out on a limb. Well, if you flip the House, the cool crowd might wanna expose it.

• 42:50Annie Elise?

  Okay.

• 42:52Speaker 03

  I don't know what that means for politics in general, but for Epstein in particular, which is what I care about, exposing these files, that might be what does it.

• 43:00Annie Elise?

  Yeah. And going into the files, I want to go through some of these terms with you a little bit and tell me, and see if you can tell me what they mean. These are, I'm assuming these are the most populated terms, correct?

• 43:11Speaker 03

  Uh huh.

• 43:12Annie Elise?

  And some of these aren't like code word necessarily. There are things, words like fertility, IVF, we all know what that is and what he was probably alluding to, but.

• 43:21Speaker 03

  I think they're good words for people to look up.

• 43:24Annie Elise?

  Okay.

• 43:24Speaker 03

  Who don't believe that this is happening.

• 43:27Annie Elise?

  Talk to me about dinosaur.

• 43:29Speaker 03

  Uh, dinosaur, now, so dinosaur is in there a lot. I'm not entirely sure what it means, but with my criminals that I've worked with, it was an older.

• 43:40Annie Elise?

  Person.

• 43:40Speaker 03

  Youthful victim.

• 43:41Annie Elise?

  Okay, okay. Um, the dentist, what we, is believed to be code for terminations, pregnancy terminations.

• 43:49Speaker 03

  Or taking the teeth out.

• 43:50Annie Elise?

  Teeth out so that they couldn't bite, that's right. And then who was it, the like professor who had said?

• 43:56Speaker 03

  Mark Tramo.

• 43:57Annie Elise?

  And he's at USC?

• 43:59Speaker 03

  Uh, he's at UCLA.

• 44:00Annie Elise?

  UCLA. And he's the one who had advised via email, dehydrate the, um, the baby, they'll suck harder.

• 44:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 44:07Annie Elise?

  Have the mom's voice, yeah, have, have the mom's voice nearby, all sorts of like.

• 44:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 44:12Annie Elise?

  Disgusting, crass things.

• 44:14Speaker 03

  He emailed, but then he, he emailed sentences about this. And then he also emailed articles about this without, without any words.

• 44:25Annie Elise?

  Which is like, why does Epstein need to not have that information?

• 44:27Speaker 03

  Epstein is a known sexual predator.

• 44:29Annie Elise?

  Yeah, why does he need to know what's gonna make a baby suck harder unless?

• 44:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 44:33Annie Elise?

  He needs to know because, yeah.

• 44:36Speaker 03

  Yeah. And what the survivors have told me too, is that their, that teeth were removed.

• 44:41Annie Elise?

  Yeah.

• 44:42Speaker 03

  So that the victims wouldn't bite.

• 44:44Annie Elise?

  That is.

• 44:44Speaker 03

  The penises.

• 44:45Annie Elise?

  That is so fucking disgusting.

• 44:47Speaker 03

  And then Epstein, also his girlfriend, he made her into a dentist and she worked with him.

• 44:56Speaker 03

  No, she's still alive. She's still kicking. Why aren't we subpoenaing her?

• 45:00Annie Elise?

  Yeah. I saw there was one woman who came out on TikTok a while back that claimed to be his girlfriend. She was younger, pretty, and I don't know if you know what I'm talking about. She claimed to be his girlfriend, saying he was like a great guy. It's all these other people who are throwing him under the bus. I'm like, are you okay? Or are you just doing this for clout and clicks? Who really even knows?

• 45:21Speaker 03

  It's all money, right?

• 45:22Annie Elise?

  Yeah.

• 45:22Speaker 03

  I mean, the reason Virginia Giuffre didn't come out earlier or more, because there's so much more she could have told all of us before she lost her life, is because she took settlement money from a lot of powerful people, and that money went to her children and her family. And if she had spoken out about things, they would have lost that money. So it's like these layers of like, you know, I can stand up for myself. That's fine. But my family's gonna get hurt financially.

• 45:51Annie Elise?

  So what I want to do really quick and then pause and tell me if you want to expand on one of these terms. But for those of you who are listening, who want to look into these files yourselves, we not only will keep, we'll put the links to the websites in the show notes of where you can obtain them. But here are some of the terms that Dr. Leslie suggests that you search, and I'm just gonna rattle them off. Sugar sandwiches, white meat, white tuna, chocolate cream pie, shrimp, dinosaur, dentist teeth, Zorro Ranch, of course, looks like one of Epstein's aliases, Maurice Robert Fortellini, Trump, gazelle, jerky.

• 46:35Speaker 03

  And with Trump, I write that because they intentionally used a one instead of an L in his name.

• 46:42Annie Elise?

  Oh, okay. So Donald, but the L is a number one, not an L.

• 46:46Speaker 03

  There's a lot of purposeful typos.

• 46:49Annie Elise?

  Okay.

• 46:49Speaker 03

  And he's not, it's not just him. It's Clinton. It's a lot of the big guys had their names with slight errors.

• 46:57Annie Elise?

  Okay, okay. Muffin, which is keyword for Volvo, Tinkerbell victims.

• 47:05Annie Elise?

  Cream cheese, which I think most of us have heard what that insinuates. Pie for pedos, cheese pizza for child material. Flight logs, airplane ritual. Grape soda, which is, it looks like what, a sexual assault fantasy or situation? Soda for sodomy. Mormon, age 10, little girl. Pop tart. Chinese cookie. Uh, here's some names. Intestines, Hannibal, torture. Mice, fecal, cannibal again. Addicted or addiction. Uh, fertility clinic, freeze and freezing.

• 47:50Annie Elise?

  Then the term, your littlest girl was a little naughty. And then whoops, which is references to murder or accidental death of a child.

• 48:00Speaker 03

  So a lot of the emails were, you know, I hope everything's okay. I, I think I was a little rough. There's, there's thousands of emails like that. And every single time Epstein responds, whoops.

• 48:13Annie Elise?

  Jesus.

• 48:14Speaker 03

  And so it is assumed because we don't know where these people are. Um, and they are actively starting to investigate Zoro Ranch.

• 48:22Annie Elise?

  Mm-hmm.

• 48:22Speaker 03

  Which is amazing. Um, but whoops means that.

• 48:26Annie Elise?

  And can you let the listeners, maybe who didn't tune into last episode? Can you elaborate on what Zoro Ranch is and the allegations surrounding it?

• 48:34Speaker 03

  Sure. It's 7,000 acres of land that was owned by Jeffrey Epstein. Now it is, it has been repurchased and it is. I think they're wanting to turn it into like a child camp or something so convoluted.

• 48:49Annie Elise?

  Yeah.

• 48:50Speaker 03

  Um, but it's all kind of been kept within the family. Uh, or the political family, you can say.

• 48:57Annie Elise?

  Okay.

• 48:57Speaker 03

  Right? So Zoro Ranch was where, um, and it's mentioned a ton in the files, uh, where bodies were buried. And a lot of the survivors have said that they were told or they knew directly that bodies were buried in the ranch.

• 49:10Annie Elise?

  Okay. So now they're finally investigating.

• 49:12Speaker 03

  They are actually investigating it. Um, there is an incinerator there. But we had talked about, there's probably a way to get DNA. You know, this, how recent has this been? Um.

• 49:24Speaker 03

  They they shut down the airspace above Zoro Ranch last month. So when the heat's on, weird things are happening with this ranch. But it was owned by Epstein. It was a known place where they they were growing these flowers that were used to basically hypnotize people into doing things. And there was trafficking going on and harming of these little girls.

• 49:47Annie Elise?

  Wow. Now, there was something you had mentioned to me that I am not, I feel like I would like you to explain a little bit more. You said that there's a critical presence type ranking system where it's ranking the names that are mentioned in these files from, what, zero to 10 on a danger scale? Is that right?

• 50:04Speaker 03

  Um, I think it's more of a relevance scale. So, artificial intelligence has been our friend, which I absolutely love. But if you go to, let me find the...

• 50:17Annie Elise?

  Dr. Leslie's pulling up all of her websites right now for, she's feverishly scrolling and finding things.

• 50:24Speaker 03

  Okay, so EpsteinOverview.com is the first website I suggest people look at. You have to click that you're 18 and older to access it. And so what it brings up right away, and you can't search in this, but it brings up the name, the person, their face, and if they're critical. So it's a 1 out of 10, 10 out of 10.

• 50:46Annie Elise?

  So can you read us some of these people and their ranking?

• 50:49Speaker 03

  Yes, but, yes, but I don't want people to freak out because the first one right now is Trump. Now, this is, this is AI. This isn't a human being choosing this, right?

• 51:03Annie Elise?

  So is AI gathering all of the material and saying, here are the people who are most mentioned, who are most relevant, most tied to the Epstein files, and here's their score?

• 51:13Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 51:14Annie Elise?

  Okay.

• 51:14Speaker 03

  So, right now, it says that Trump is a 10 out of 10. And I think largely that's because they just released those other three investigative FBI reports. And that there was no, there were no conclusions to the reports. So you're pulling that also from the media, because that's just, that was one of the biggest things that happened last week. Second to that, another critical. So these are all the 10 out of 10s right now that the, the internet is saying are dangerous. We've learned more about them recently and they are definitely involved.

• 51:49Annie Elise?

  And so like to keep an eye on?

• 51:51Speaker 03

  Yes. So we've got Ghislaine Maxwell, of course, because she's trying to basically blackmail Trump right now. We have Jess Daly. Now, he's an interesting one because he is the CEO of Barclays and JP Morgan.

• 52:04Annie Elise?

  Wow.

• 52:06Speaker 03

  So he maintained a very close relationship with Epstein. There's about 33 emails back and forth about money after the conviction and about children and staying with him and travel and everything we would assume that we've talked about. Karina, Karina Shulik, Shulik, I pronounced her name wrong. That's the girlfriend. So she's a 10 out of 10 critical. She has been identified lately. A lot of YouTubers have been trying to go to the island and they've seen her there.

• 52:39Annie Elise?

  And she's the one who turned dentist?

• 52:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 52:41Annie Elise?

  Okay.

• 52:41Speaker 03

  She's the one who turned dentist. So she's in the news a lot because there have been sightings of her, I think. 10 out of 10, the Alexander brothers.

• 52:50Annie Elise?

  Oh.

• 52:51Speaker 03

  Right? They're critical right now because especially the files were used to try, they tried to get a mistrial and no go, right? Then we have no named individuals, right? Like just the word pregnant. The word pregnant, it came up so many times in the recent drop that it warranted AI to say it's up there with those other five people we just mentioned.

• 53:16Annie Elise?

  Wow.

• 53:17Speaker 03

  So we've got pregnancy, we have viable pregnancies. 15 different individuals are mentioning viable pregnancies in the files. This is the 47,000 drop that just came.

• 53:29Annie Elise?

  That just came out. Not, so not everything in its totality, just the new 47,000 drop.

• 53:34Speaker 03

  Right.

• 53:34Annie Elise?

  Okay.

• 53:35Speaker 03

  And we also don't know what's being pulled down, right? We have the Sultan that we talked about. He's stepped down. Leon Black, who's an American billionaire. Now Leon Black, to me, is a very dangerous person because he owns Apollo Global Management. So he's like, he's the money. He's moving a lot of our media. He's moving a lot of our industry. But close ties and a lot of. Sexually explicit emails with Epstein. Again, why are these people so fucking rich?

• 54:08Annie Elise?

  Yeah.

• 54:08Speaker 03

  Yet they're emailing.

• 54:10Annie Elise?

  I know.

• 54:10Speaker 03

  Aren't they rich enough to know that they're going to be in a honeypot scheme?

• 54:13Annie Elise?

  Yeah.

• 54:15Speaker 03

  So Prince Andrew finally dropped down to a 9.9 out of 10.

• 54:18Annie Elise?

  Oh, good, because he got arrested.

• 54:20Speaker 03

  Yeah. He got arrested for abusing his, like, his status.

• 54:24Annie Elise?

  Right.

• 54:24Speaker 03

  His position, right? But there's a lot of talk right now that he might spill some tea.

• 54:30Annie Elise?

  Okay.

• 54:30Speaker 03

  In order to get a reduced sentence.

• 54:33Annie Elise?

  Okay.

• 54:33Speaker 03

  So that's kind of hyping up on the internet.

• 54:35Annie Elise?

  And to earlier, when you had said Ghislaine is basically trying to blackmail Trump. I'm imagining most people listening understand what that means, but it's because she's taking the fifth. She's not speaking. She's trying to work her own deal and probably get a pardon. Is that safe to say?

• 54:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, 100%.

• 54:51Annie Elise?

  Yeah.

• 54:52Speaker 03

  She's saying if you give me a-

• 54:53Annie Elise?

  If that's even her in, like, freaking prison, which doesn't even look like her.

• 54:56Speaker 03

  Right, right. It doesn't look like her. I don't know how people age. Prison sucks, but-

• 55:01Annie Elise?

  You're no-

• 55:01Speaker 03

  Doesn't look like her.

• 55:01Annie Elise?

  Yeah, even if all your filler dissolved, you wouldn't look like that.

• 55:04Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 55:04Annie Elise?

  No.

• 55:05Speaker 03

  And I definitely think that Epstein is alive. I mean, I-

• 55:08Annie Elise?

  Well, okay, I table that because I want to get to some listener questions in just a second here. Let's go with a couple more people on this list, and then I want to get to some of these questions because one of them has to do with that.

• 55:21Speaker 03

  Okay, um, so you guys can all check this out, Epstein Overview, but I also want people to know that they should look at Epstein-file-explore. And that is also a great way where they're breaking up through artificial intelligence. The flight logs, the emails, the FBI reports, the depositions, the financial records.

• 55:42Annie Elise?

  Okay.

• 55:42Speaker 03

  Everyone you see got paid. How much did they get paid? When did they get paid? The guard who said that Epstein was still alive got five grand one week before he was-

• 55:55Annie Elise?

  From who?

• 55:55Speaker 03

  Disappeared.

• 55:56Annie Elise?

  From who?

• 55:57Speaker 03

  I don't know.

• 55:59Speaker 03

  I don't know. So she's in there. You can look at her finances as well.

• 56:03Annie Elise?

  Well, that's interesting because especially if you know what those kinds of officers and guards earn, they're not getting a $5,000 pop a week or two before.

• 56:12Speaker 03

  And she got it several times, several times over time.

• 56:16Annie Elise?

  Okay.

• 56:17Speaker 03

  So tell me this wasn't anticipated.

• 56:19Annie Elise?

  Yeah.

• 56:19Speaker 03

  Right? Again, where there's smoke, there's fire. It's just too much. So go to that website because that really is a different analysis that you, we don't have time to look through all this shit. We need AI.

• 56:30Annie Elise?

  Yeah.

• 56:31Speaker 03

  And then Tommy Carstensen has a website where he doesn't have all of it on there because I think he would probably be arrested for child material. But his website is all the videos. So he's converted all of the images, which I did too, and into videos. There's about, I'd say he put up like 3,000 or 4,000.

• 56:54Annie Elise?

  Wow.

• 56:54Speaker 03

  Now Pam Bondi referenced 12,000. Those are probably the ones that he can't put up because he would be arrested.

• 57:01Annie Elise?

  Yeah, it'd be distributing CSAM.

• 57:03Speaker 03

  So if you want to just go to the videos alone to see, especially the prison video, I welcome everyone to analyze that because we have hours of that footage, but we're missing 20 seconds when the body was taken.

• 57:18Annie Elise?

  So let's get with that. I want to get into a couple of these questions really quick. So one of the big questions out there, and this question comes from Cheryl, spelled Cheryl, is how his dead body double still had a prostate, but the files state that Epstein's prostate had been removed years earlier.

• 57:37Speaker 03

  Correct.

• 57:38Annie Elise?

  So in the autopsy report, it, the ME basically wrote down that the prostate was no, that the prostate was there and they didn't mark it as being gone, but yet Epstein had had his prostate removed years earlier.

• 57:53Speaker 03

  Correct. In an email, a doctor writes to Epstein, you don't have a prostate, right? And Epstein replies, yes.

• 58:01Annie Elise?

  And so then how did he grow one back?

• 58:04Speaker 03

  You can't grow back.

• 58:05Annie Elise?

  No, I know, I know.

• 58:07Speaker 03

  So the autopsy was reviewed by three doctors. The Epstein's family brought in their own doctor to review it as well. And they all came to the same conclusion that he did, that there was a prostate present in that body and that he had small testicles.

• 58:27Annie Elise?

  Shocking. Um, now this, I'm not sure what this means. Maybe you'll know, what about the emails in 2021 about him being in Colorado?

• 58:36Speaker 03

  So there are emails about setting up meetings with Epstein in Colorado and that he lives in Colorado. To me, that's Mark. That's his brother.

• 58:45Annie Elise?

  Okay.

• 58:45Speaker 03

  I don't think if this, this is a world renowned operative.

• 58:50Annie Elise?

  If he were still alive, he would not be in the country.

• 58:52Speaker 03

  Right. He, he's, there's no mention of him.

• 58:55Annie Elise?

  Yeah.

• 58:55Speaker 03

  Anymore.

• 58:56Annie Elise?

  Okay.

• 58:56Speaker 03

  But Mark was very, very active and is still very active with the estate.

• 59:01Annie Elise?

  Okay.

• 59:01Speaker 03

  And he's a co-owner of all these properties as well.

• 59:04Annie Elise?

  There, here's another question from Jordan Marie X3. What real proof do we have that any of this is true? What can we trust?

• 59:12Speaker 03

  I think we can trust the files because there are archives. And if you go into the DOJ archives, they've been around for 20 years. This isn't new. We, we're putting a lot of attention towards it now, but the archives have been there for a long time. And what you can trust is the House Oversight Committee. They have a website. That's where they've put, um, on YouTube, that's where they've put the Clinton depositions and they'll have the Pam Bondi deposition up there as well.

• 59:41Annie Elise?

  Okay.

• 59:42Speaker 03

  Um, what I'd say you cannot trust is the far left or the far right. Because I think people are using AI and trying to alter images.

• 59:53Annie Elise?

  I just, speaking of, I just saw images yesterday of Bill Clinton and Stephen Hawking in lingerie.

• 59:59Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:00:01Annie Elise?

  I think that's AI, correct?

• 1:00:02Speaker 03

  I have not seen that. Like, no, I've seen that. I didn't see that on any kind of viable source.

• 1:00:07Annie Elise?

  Yeah, it's but people are creating

• 1:00:10Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:00:10Annie Elise?

  things using AI.

• 1:00:11Speaker 03

  Yeah. And another thing that they're doing is Epstein had weird fucking art in his house. Like, he had art of dead kids. He had weird art, just vaginas, like weird shit. And, you know, I had a client once who had somebody come out and make a bathtub for him, and he wanted it to look like a vagina of all the, and that the pillow would be the clitoris. Like, this exists, right? This was just a guy in Santa Barbara.

• 1:00:36Annie Elise?

  Different strokes, man.

• 1:00:37Speaker 03

  Right?

• 1:00:38Annie Elise?

  Like, you couldn't pay me to get in a vagina bathtub?

• 1:00:41Speaker 03

  Right. Like, and really

• 1:00:43Annie Elise?

  And I have one.

• 1:00:43Speaker 03

  How is that pillow gonna be?

• 1:00:48Annie Elise?

  Wow.

• 1:00:49Speaker 03

  So Epstein had all this weird art. Now, what people are doing is they're taking the art, putting black boxes over it, and making it look like it was

• 1:00:56Annie Elise?

  Okay.

• 1:00:57Speaker 03

  real. Now, if the one image that has gone very viral is the three, the three chicken, raw chickens, and in the middle, it looks like there's a little girl's leg. So the middle, you would assume, is a baby, right? I found the original art. It's a really fucking weird artist. It's him naked, a grown man masturbating, and that's his foot, and he's between these two chickens.

• 1:01:23Annie Elise?

  Like, he's masturbating to two rotisserie chickens?

• 1:01:25Speaker 03

  He's like, he's the size of the chickens.

• 1:01:28Annie Elise?

  Like, he shrunk himself down for the art?

• 1:01:30Speaker 03

  Down, yeah. He's holding his erect penis.

• 1:01:33Annie Elise?

  Next to two raw chickens?

• 1:01:35Speaker 03

  Yeah. And he's on the, on the cutting board with them.

• 1:01:37Annie Elise?

  I've never understood art, and I don't think I ever will understand art, honestly.

• 1:01:41Speaker 03

  If you go to his website, and I can find his name.

• 1:01:44Annie Elise?

  Please don't.

• 1:01:45Speaker 03

  All of his art is like that. It's all very, very bizarre. Now, why was, so we had, the FBI used AI to overly redact, right? So I think they redacted things that weren't suspicious, just to be careful at the same time.

• 1:02:02Annie Elise?

  Right.

• 1:02:02Speaker 03

  So they redacted that image.

• 1:02:03Annie Elise?

  So that it makes people think that there's more to it if it's redacted.

• 1:02:07Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:02:07Annie Elise?

  Got it.

• 1:02:10Annie Elise?

  Man, this is interesting. I don't know if you'll know this, but I definitely want to look into this if we can. Maybe we'll do it after this episode. Kate Honeycutt photo is saying Kyron Horman's name is mentioned in the files. I remember you watch it. I remember watching you cover this case. This is a case that I had covered and he, it was involving his stepmom. There was like some shadiness that she was involved in this and that was a really upsetting case. He was a young boy and I don't think there ever was a final resolution with that case if I'm remembering correctly. So maybe we can search that after this episode.

• 1:02:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, he's in the files and it's on News Nation.

• 1:02:48Annie Elise?

  Wait, let me see. What does it say?

• 1:02:52Speaker 03

  Let's see. News Nation has a lot of ads.

• 1:02:55Annie Elise?

  I know, I know. Here, I can pull it up on my phone so I can read it.

• 1:02:59Speaker 03

  He was mentioned in an online tip by the FBI, July 2019 regarding child trafficking allegations to Ontario, Canada.

• 1:03:09Annie Elise?

  Wow.

• 1:03:10Speaker 03

  And there's a suggestion that it was between Epstein. We also have more Madeline information that came out last week.

• 1:03:17Annie Elise?

  Madeline McCann?

• 1:03:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:03:18Annie Elise?

  I saw that. Can you go into that a little bit? I just want to pull this up while you guys are...

• 1:03:22Speaker 03

  It's a new image of Epstein holding her.

• 1:03:25Annie Elise?

  Well, it's confirmed?

• 1:03:26Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's on, it's on the DOJ website.

• 1:03:29Annie Elise?

  Him holding Madeline McCann?

• 1:03:30Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:03:32Annie Elise?

  What?

• 1:03:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:03:34Annie Elise?

  How old was she?

• 1:03:35Speaker 03

  I have to find the file number. She looked, I mean, based on my own kids, she looked three?

• 1:03:44Annie Elise?

  What? Let's see. Recent release of court documents related to Jeffrey Epstein made public in early 2026 have included a 2009 witness statement that mentions a potential sighting of Madeline McCann. The statement contains an unverified tip alleging that Ghislaine Maxwell was seen with a young girl who resembled the missing British child. Okay, so there's a tip and an allegation, but let me see what the photo is. Description of the sighting, the witness claimed that the girl was approximately six years old, which would match her age in 2009, and was covering her right eye, which reminded them of Madeline's distinct, uh, what is it? Columbia, Columba, I'm going to say that wrong, but that's right. She did have something with her eye. Okay. FBI and authorities, or sorry, authorities in the UK and the US have clarified that

• 1:04:28Annie Elise?

  this is unconfirmed, uncooperated, and an isolated tip. It has not led to any new formal investigation. Okay, but I wonder what that photo is? And I want to go back to this Kyron thing. Okay, so I'm gonna write that down. I want to look into Kyron and Madeline. Okay, let me see. What's another question here? Okay, from Yurix, what is Donald Trump's actual involvement?

• 1:04:52Speaker 03

  That's really, really hard to say. And it's because, because he's not transparent about it. I mean, everyone in power settles allegations against them. And I say that because I've been a part-

• 1:05:09Annie Elise?

  It's just true.

• 1:05:10Speaker 03

  And I've been a part of all of it. Like, I've been a part of the highest ranking lawyers in our country settling against their paralegals. You know, they're in Florida, they're in New York, they're in the same circle, right? I've tested their trauma, I've talked to them, I've heard their stories, and I've testified in court about it, but most of the time I don't get to court because they settle out of court. And so Donald Trump is known, and has been known for many, many years, decades, for settling out of court with people. Now, he's also been very wealthy, right? He's been a target. You're always gonna target wealthy people if you're someone who wants to sue, right? But the fact that he is named in the files-

• 1:05:54Annie Elise?

  So many times.

• 1:05:55Speaker 03

  More than anyone else, other than Epstein, is very suspicious. And then we have so many allegations of sexual assault. And they're, they go so far and then they stop, and then there's no notation of any of it. So it is a reasonable assumption to say that he was involved and that he had sexual-

• 1:06:20Speaker 03

  Misconduct with children.

• 1:06:23Annie Elise?

  Based on your experience with victims, with predators, with trials, what you're seeing and the trajectory of this, do you anticipate, if you had to be a betting woman and do a prediction, do you think that this is a house of cards that will slowly, but surely start collapsing and we are starting with the arrest of Prince Andrew and investigations? Or do you think this will only go so far and it will be swept under the rug?

• 1:06:53Speaker 03

  I think it'll keep falling and I think it's because this is an older demographic and they're going to age out.

• 1:07:00Annie Elise?

  So the truth is imminent. It's just going to take some time.

• 1:07:03Speaker 03

  Definitely. I think that's why we need younger politicians, right? And that's why there's this massive push to not take AIPAC money. There's a big push to have grassroots campaigns on both sides. Like, let's just be transparent. We're not voting because we are being pushed to or we're getting paid to. You know, our Supreme Court is filled with people who, who are older. A lot of the people are older. Three have had very severe sexual abuse allegations made against them. You know, Clarence's son has, I think he was actually charged with rape, one of the Supreme Courts. So I think as we age out, the people who are preventing us from seeing this and we bring in people who are more vocal and can explain it and

• 1:07:48Speaker 03

  talk about it, like a new level of transparency, a new generation coming in.

• 1:07:53Annie Elise?

  Yes. What, aside from the sites, what would you want to share with the viewers or the listeners of what their biggest takeaway should be right now and what they should be doing if they are also outraged about everything that they're seeing and hearing?

• 1:08:08Speaker 03

  I think vote in the primaries. And I say that, I'm not political. Everyone thinks I'm very political.

• 1:08:14Annie Elise?

  Are you going to announce that you're running?

• 1:08:16Speaker 03

  No, no. Signatures were due Friday. I did not put mine on the.

• 1:08:19Annie Elise?

  Are you voting for Spencer Pratt?

• 1:08:20Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:08:21Annie Elise?

  Were you talking about offline?

• 1:08:23Speaker 03

  He was so rude to me at the movies once.

• 1:08:25Annie Elise?

  Oh, he was?

• 1:08:26Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:08:27Annie Elise?

  Okay, so vote in the primaries?

• 1:08:28Speaker 03

  So the reason I say vote in the primaries is because I want you to vote for somebody who is willing to impeach Pam Bondi. I want you to vote for somebody who has a backbone, who is gonna say, I'm not gonna let this go. I'm going to bring down this Epstein network and tower, and I don't care how much money I'm offered.

• 1:08:48Annie Elise?

  And where do you think that people who maybe are not following politics as closely as you are, where are good resources for them to start to look so that they can come up with their own thoughts and opinions on who they want to vote for?

• 1:09:02Speaker 03

  Well, you can look up Congress and the elections. I also, which I can make available. I have, this is my dorky forensic side. I've been working with a group called Citizens Impeach, and we have a spreadsheet of every single candidate, on left, right, independent, you know, all the different parties, who they're going to come up against at the primaries, and the date that that's happening.

• 1:09:27Annie Elise?

  Oh.

• 1:09:27Speaker 03

  And so I have all of it mapped out, all the way till November.

• 1:09:31Annie Elise?

  Maybe you can share that on socials.

• 1:09:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:09:33Annie Elise?

  And can you let everybody know your socials too, where they can find you, find more information and all of this? Because you are posting multiple times a day.

• 1:09:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'd say Instagram for Dr. Leslie is, that's gonna be the place where you find more of the Epstein content, because TikTok is suppressing it because of its new ownership. I've started Substack, which I'll start writing more about the Epstein information. And then my website, I can put the Excel spreadsheet on my website, so everyone can see like the dates and everything, because we have an election coming up, March 17th in one of the states, and I don't think people even know.

• 1:10:11Annie Elise?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:11Speaker 03

  Like, a thousand people might vote in a primary. People don't even do it. So- Vote for someone with a backbone. Go to my website, DrLeslieDobson.com. I'll put that in there.

• 1:10:23Annie Elise?

  Okay.

• 1:10:23Speaker 03

  And then you can just see, like, understand who these people are.

• 1:10:27Annie Elise?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:27Speaker 03

  Are they for you? I mean, the people in South Orange County have been in these positions for like 10 years. They've never had a town hall. They don't open their doors. You can't go in and ask them, why aren't you doing something about the Epstein files? They don't answer their phones. They, they get paid. They don't show up to Congress to vote. What are they doing?

• 1:10:50Annie Elise?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:51Speaker 03

  Where's the fight? And that's what I want, is I want that the change is going to come when we elect people in any political party who are willing to fight for the well-being of Americans and not just let this Epstein stuff fade away.

• 1:11:08Annie Elise?

  Yeah. Well, thank you so much for being here again. If you guys want more, and maybe if we end up doing a part three, we'll do just full Q and A. If you're down with that too, let me know in the comment section if you guys want more to where it's like, maybe it's even a live stream. I don't know. Where people can bring in their questions as we go. And, because I think a lot of people are still trying to wrap their minds around it and do have so many questions. So while it's great to have these episodes where we're putting out a lot of information, there's so much information that it's like, I think it's easy to get overwhelmed and know like, okay, how do I distill this? What, how do I make sense of it? But maybe if we do something in that format where it's Q and A, maybe that will help. So I don't know. You guys let me know. Maybe you're like, actually, Annie, we don't need any of that. We're good as is. But yeah.

• 1:11:53Speaker 03

  Yeah. And if people want to feel like they're doing something as well, you know, report the doctors. Report them to the medical board.

• 1:12:01Annie Elise?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:01Speaker 03

  Let doc, the medical board will, will open private investigations away from politics, away from this country. They have their own world they live in. Let them look at these doctors. Maybe there are more allegations against them than we know.

• 1:12:13Annie Elise?

  Right.

• 1:12:14Speaker 03

  And this will finally flip it over and they'll lose their license.

• 1:12:17Annie Elise?

  Well, thank you so much for being here again. I really appreciate it. I know it's a lot of dark stuff to talk about, but thank you.

• 1:12:24Speaker 03

  Yeah. And just so you know, you know, I was born in Canada.

• 1:12:27Annie Elise?

  I heard it a little bit of it when you said the aboot. I got a little sense.

• 1:12:31Speaker 00

  I'm not some raging political person.

• 1:12:34Annie Elise?

  No, I know.

• 1:12:35Speaker 00

  I really was born in Canada and I'm, I'm learning about this as we all learn together. And it's being shoved down our throats.

• 1:12:41Annie Elise?

  I think that's the thing, and I like hate to beat a dead horse, but like to just reiterate, it's not about red or blue anymore. It's about just calling it out and everybody kind of being together and going against this. And like, it sucks that that's what's gonna take, what it takes to get us united for once, but maybe it is what it takes. So.

• 1:13:02Speaker 00

  Yeah. Why is a forensic psychologist who specializes in sexual predators, why am I so busy right now?

• 1:13:08Annie Elise?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:13:08Speaker 00

  Why, why is my job so in need? That's fucking weird.

• 1:13:12Annie Elise?

  That's alarming.

• 1:13:13Speaker 00

  That's fucking weird.

• 1:13:14Annie Elise?

  It is. It is. Well, thank you guys so much for tuning into another episode. Let me know your thoughts in the comments. And if you do want that part three, and if you do want the part three, if you want a Q and A, and go check out Dr. Leslie Dobson on all socials and her website. And we'll be back again with another episode soon. But until then, I don't know, just be nice and don't kill people, don't hurt people. And I don't know, just, I could go on and on and on. Just stay safe. Okay.

• 1:13:43Speaker 00

  Bye.

• 1:13:56Speaker 00

  One sweet melty bite of a Hershey's bar and suddenly I'm right back sitting on the front porch with my grandmother on a slow summer afternoon. She doesn't say much, just breaks the bar in half and hands me a piece. I open my mouth to say whatever a nine year old wants to say. And she replies with a low, "Listen." So we sat there, listening. That was the first time I learned that quiet can feel full. Hershey's, it's your happy place.