325: He Was Watching Her Every Move: The Stalking & Murder of Kristil Krug

In August 2023, 39-year-old Kristil Krug was found dead inside her Washington home, her body showing signs of a violent struggle. At first, no one could understand who would want to hurt a woman described as kind, loyal, and deeply loved by her friends and family. But as detectives dug deeper, they uncovered a storm of jealousy, toxic relationships, and chilling digital breadcrumbs that pointed to a shocking betrayal. What began as a tragedy inside a quiet neighborhood unraveled into something far darker than anyone imagined…🔎Join Our True Crime Club & Get Exclusive Content & Perks 🔎 Join The Club: https://www.patreon.com/annieelise🎧 Need More to Binge? Listen to EXTRA deep dive episodes every week on Apple!https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/serialously-with-annie-elise/id1519456164🚩Announcements🚩Want to Catch Annie LIVE on Tour? 🎤 🎟Grab your tickets now for a city near you: https://annieelise.com/pages/tour🌸MERCH IS OFFICIALLY HERE! 🌸Shop now at https://annieelise.com/collections/shop-allDon't miss out before your faves sell out! 🛒🌷Follow Annie on Socials 📸 🩷Instagram: @ _annieelise, https://www.instagram.com/_annieelise/?hl=en💜TikTok: @_annieelise, https://www.tiktok.com/@_annieelise?lang=en🗞️ Substack: @annieelise, https://substack.com/@annieelise💙Facebook: @10tolife, https://www.facebook.com/10toLIFEShop Annie’s Closet & Must-Haves! 👗Poshmark: https://posh.mk/Tdbki6Ae0RbShopMY: https://shopmy.us/annieeliseAmazon: https://www.amazon.com/shop/10tolife?ref_=cm_sw_r_apin_aipsfshop_BKN1ZMCMEZHACVFQ2R75&language=en_USDisclaimer ‣ Some links may be affiliate links, they do not cost you anything, but I make a small percentage from the sale. Thank you so much for watching and supporting me.🎙️ Follow the podcast for FREE on all podcast platforms! Apple:https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/serialously-with-annie-elise/id1519456164Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/6HdheEH8WeMTHoe5da34qUAll Other Platforms: https://audioboom.com/channels/5100770-serialously-with-annie-eliseGet Involved or Recommend the Case 💬 About Annie: https://annieelise.com/For Business Inquiries: [email protected] Sources 🔗9NewsAP NewsBroomfield PDDaily MailDenver7Generation Why PodcastHoran & McConaty Funeral Service and CremationNew York PostScandal by Law & CrimeThe Independent*Sources used to collect this information include various public news sites, interviews, court documents, FB groups dedicated to the case, and various news channel segments. When quoting statements made by others, they are strictly alleged until confirmed otherwise. Please remember my videos are my independent opinion and to always do your own research. ••••••••••••••••••Disclaimer: The views and opinions expressed in this video are personal and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of any other agency, organization, employer, or company. Assumptions made in the analysis are not reflective of the position of any entity other than the creator(s). These views are subject to change, revision, and rethinking at any time and are not to be held in perpetuity. We make no representations as to the accuracy, completeness, correctness, suitability, or validity of any information on this video and will not be liable for any errors, omissions, or delays in this information or any losses, injuries, or damages arising from its display or use. All information is provided on an as-is basis. It is the reader’s responsibility to verify their own facts.

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• 1:31Speaker 03

  My name is Dan Krug. I don't think this is an emergency, but this feels really weird. My wife isn't responding to text messages or phone calls.

• 1:43Speaker 04

  As the Christmas holiday period approached in the winter of 2023, police in Broomfield, Colorado, were dispatched to the home of a 43-year-old mother who had stopped responding to calls and messages from family. The report from Dan was, "We have been involved in the stalking case. It started small. There were strange messages or unsettling emails. There was this sense that someone was watching her."

• 2:18Annie Elise?

  Hey true crime besties. Welcome back to an all new episode of Serial Ashley.

• 2:41Annie Elise?

  Hello, hello, hello, and welcome back to another episode of Serial Ashley. With me, your true crime bestie, Annie Elise, and I am here to break down a roller coaster of a case for you today. If you thought that the, you know, catfish mom on Netflix thing was a wild story, that was like a precursor to today's case because today's case has so many twists and turns and like just sick sycophant behavior. I don't know what sycophant means, but I feel like that was the time to use it. But let's actually ask, hold on, what does sycophant mean? Maybe I'm gonna need to cut that out. What does sycophant mean? Oh, come on, Siri.

• 3:22Speaker 06

  A person who acts subsequiously towards someone important in order to gain advantage.

• 3:27Annie Elise?

  Okay, maybe it could, all right, maybe this could be used, whatever. My point was, I wanted to say just sick behavior, but then the word sycophant came to mind. I just love that word. I don't know why. I just love it so much. But anyway, this is a wild one. So like, yeah, if you thought that that Netflix catfishing mom was a Looney Tune and like that was a crazy story that where you like, didn't see what was coming, this one is going to floor you. And today we're talking about a woman named Kristielle Krug. Now, in a lot of ways, Kristielle was like any one of us, just a mom, a wife, a daughter, just living her normal everyday life. Never in a million years did she think that she was going to

• 4:09Annie Elise?

  find herself smack in the middle of a real life horror story. So like I said, this case has everything. I'm talking stalking, harassment, fake phone numbers, some very, very deeply disturbing twists. And like I said, it's a freaking roller coaster. And what makes this case even more heartbreaking is that in the final days of her life, Kristil was actually thriving. She was rebuilding. She was rediscovering herself. She was finally looking ahead at a future that she was excited about, never knowing that that future was about to be ripped from her, stolen from her. But before we get into this unimaginable case, I do want to share some exciting news

• 4:50Annie Elise?

  with you. And that is that my YouTube series, 10 to Life, which so many of you probably discovered serialously because of 10 to Life, well, it is officially launching as a podcast tomorrow, October 7. Now, if you've been with me from the very beginning, you know, 10 to Life is where it all started. And now it's where we really go beyond the headlines and unpack everything just together, piece by piece, and just go through all of it. So really quick, before we dive into today's story here on Serialously, do me a favor, whatever podcast app you're listening on, search for 10 to Life. Hit that follow button so that you don't miss anything. If you're watching this over on YouTube, make sure you're subscribed to my main channel, this one, Annie Elise. But it's the only way that you're going to get notified

• 5:35Annie Elise?

  when our first and any new episodes drop. And trust me, you are going to want to be the first to know. So with that being said, we are now going to get into today's case, which is just so horrific. It honestly feels like something straight out of a horror movie. So, you know, grab whatever you need to feel safe, grounded, and ready, because this one is definitely heavy. So guys, let's get right into it. Kristil Krug was born on November 24, 1980, in Boulder, Colorado. She was known for being very kind, generous, having a sense of humor that was just completely contagious. Even if the joke didn't land, she just would have this huge ginormous infectious smile and

• 6:17Annie Elise?

  this loud laugh that would still get everybody just cracking up alongside her. Just, they weren't laughing at the joke, but they were laughing right there with- And Kristielle had two big passions throughout her life. The first was modern dance. She said that it made her feel alive and you really could see her light up whenever she was practicing, anytime she was dancing or finally nailing a new move. Now, her second passion was science. Science for her was a way of explaining things that seemed unexplainable. And sure enough, when it came time to decide on a degree path and a career after high school, there was no doubt in Kristielle's mind. She wanted to study to be a biochemical engineer. She earned a scholarship to the Colorado School of Mines, one of the top engineering schools in the country.

• 7:02Annie Elise?

  And that's where she started her college journey. Later, she transferred to the University of Colorado in Boulder, where she then later graduated with her degree in biochemical engineering. Now, after graduating college, Kristielle landed an absolute dream job at a local tech company, a very well-known company in the science world that creates different lab instruments, different software that's used in schools, used in businesses all around the world. This was like a dream job for her. And she excelled there pretty much from day one. She genuinely loved what she did for work. But even with her career thriving, Kristielle also was focused on building a happy and fulfilling personal life, a life at home. So in the early 2000s, Kristielle met a man named Daniel Krug.

• 7:46Annie Elise?

  And there's not a ton of information about the early days of their relationship and, you know, how it got started, when they first went on their date, anything like that. But it's clear that things got very serious between the two of them. They each knew that they had found their person. And in 2007, they made it official. The two of them got married. Eventually, they decided to start a family and over the years, they had three children, two daughters and a son. So now Kristielle was feeling like her life was complete. She had this mega amazing work, this, you know, career that she was so passionate about. She loved it so much. She also had this very fulfilling, very happy life at home, three beautiful kids, three amazing kids who were her whole entire world.

• 8:27Annie Elise?

  And here's a quick clip of Kristielle's father sharing exactly what kind of mother she was to those kids.

• 8:32Speaker 07

  As a mom, she got her kids involved in so many things. She was always running them all over the place with complete dedication to make sure that they're involved in the things that made them happy. So she, she juggled a lot of balls and pulled it off amazingly.

• 8:48Annie Elise?

  From the outside looking in, Kristielle's life was perfect. Like I said, she had a successful career, a husband who adored her, three beautiful children who looked up to her and idolized her. But as we have learned, time and time again, appearances can be deceiving. Because by October 2023, the life that Kristielle had worked so hard to build was starting to unravel, and it quickly began spiraling into a complete nightmare. It was October 2nd, 2023 to be exact, and Kristielle woke up to a very strange, very unexpected text message from somebody from her past. The message was from a man named Jack Anthony Holland,

• 9:30Annie Elise?

  who apparently went by both Jack and Anthony for short, as you'll hear in some clips that I'm going to play for you later on. But Kristielle had briefly dated him between the summer of 1999 and the fall of 2000. So remember, at this point, it was now 2023. It had been over two decades. Why was she hearing from this ex? It was basically just a college romance, one that Kristielle had lost interest in fairly quickly, if we're being honest. And, you know, we've all been there. You're young. These people were young. They had dated for a little while, but in the grand scheme of things, their relationship didn't work out. It hadn't really meant much to Kristielle either, and so it just fizzled out. But anyway, she's now getting this text message, two decades later,

• 10:12Annie Elise?

  and this guy Jack wrote, "Hi Kristielle, it's Anthony. I hope it's okay I looked you up. I go to Boulder every few weeks, and I thought that we could hook up. You game?" So I mean, a text message that I will give him credit. He was very straight to the point, very clear, very, you know, direct. He was reaching out, interested in having sex, no strings attached, not necessarily rekindling their once-college romance, but hooking up because he goes to Boulder from time to time for a few weeks. But Kristielle was a happily married woman. She was doing well in life, in love, in her career. She was a loyal married woman at that. So she decided to leave his ass on red, ignore this message. Sure, she could have responded even if it was just turning him down and saying no,

• 10:56Annie Elise?

  but she figured it would probably be way less messy if she just ignored the text message altogether, just didn't even engage. The very next day, though, she received another message from Jack. Only this time, he seemed very, very angry for ignoring her. It read, "Are you there? You should say yes when I offer a pity fuck. Whatever, I saw your pics. You got fat. Bet your loser husband won't fuck your fat cunt, dumb cunt. You should kill yourself. Don't waste my time." I mean, first and foremost, a very mean message, yes, but also unhinged. All sorts of spelling errors, no punctuation, bad grammar, which look, like, I'm not trying to be the grammar police in all of this, but as you just heard, I reread it exactly as he said it.

• 11:40Annie Elise?

  So I don't know, you know, if the context, not the context is obviously the context, but you know, like, the pacing, I don't know if that was supposed to be different, but he just kind of was like spiraling and rapid-fire rage texting her. So clearly, things went from zero to 100 really, really fast. Kristielle hadn't even seen Jack in years, literally since shortly after their breakup in the year 2000. So now, she's hearing from him two decades later. She leaves his ass on red for 24 hours and what? He turns into a complete psychopath? I mean, sure, they had briefly exchanged messages a few times over the years, but it was never anything flirtatious. It was never anything weird, just quick little catch-ups, little "how you doing? Hey, like, hope all is well," things like that.

• 12:23Annie Elise?

  Then they wouldn't talk for another few years until like, "hey, hope all is well." And the exact dates that I saw were 2002, 2005, 2010, and 2016. So again, every few years or so, but even now, it had been, what, four, five, six, seven years since their last exchange. Meaning that it wasn't super out of the ordinary that he had found her number and was texting her, but now these rage text messages, these hookup text messages, this was out of the ordinary. What was out of the ordinary was how upfront he was about wanting to hook up with her. Not to Mention how aggressive he had gotten and how quickly. But like I said, they hadn't seen each other since college. So she hadn't known Jack as an adult.

• 13:07Annie Elise?

  Maybe he had turned into this, you know, aggressive douchebag with age. Who knows? I mean, she had no way of knowing. So again, she didn't want to engage. She ignored this message. I mean, yes, the words were pretty harsh, but not really harsh enough that it hurt her feelings. This guy knew nothing about her. If he thought those things about her, then who cares? Whatever, so be it. But then on October 31st, she received another text message from Jack. And somehow this message was even worse than the last. Because this time, there was a picture with the message. And the picture was of Chris Steele's husband, Daniel. In this picture, Daniel was seen getting out of his vehicle at the place that he worked in Glendale, Colorado.

• 13:49Annie Elise?

  And based on what he was wearing in this photo, it looked like that photo had been taken and sent to her that very day. The text message that was sent along with this photo said, is this your husband? Drives like a slow old lady. Can't believe you want to suck his dick, but not mine. He needs to drive safe. Don't want a clear rubber hose in his tailpipe. Which again, kind of fractured, you know, not great grammar, but basically saying like, hey, is this your husband? Putting that threat, that fear to her, like, I know where he works. I can see him anytime I want. Here's a photo of him. I'm going to talk shit on him, saying, you know, can't believe you're sucking his dick, but not mine. Then at the very end, a threat where, I mean, at least I believe this is a veiled threat, where it says,

• 14:32Annie Elise?

  don't want a clear rubber hose in his tailpipe. Carbon monoxide, all of the suffocation things, you, you get what it means. So I don't need to explain how terrifying this message was for Chris Steele to receive. Things had gone very quickly from this old fling trying to get back in touch with her, to then getting mad at her rejection, to now stalking her very closely, close enough that he discovered where her husband worked. Now, the first two messages that Jack had sent were rude, were mean, yes. But now it was downright scary. Again, threatening even. So unsure of what to do, Chris Steele went to The police. And I think everybody always wants to believe that nothing bad could ever happen to you or your family, right?

• 15:14Annie Elise?

  That maybe people are all bark, no bite, but that nothing will ever materialize. But then there's moments where fear really does creep in and you wonder what are people capable of truly? So she did the right thing. She went to the police because she felt like it was better to be safe than sorry. So she filed a harassment complaint with the Broomfield Police on Halloween Day, which talk about like an actually very scary Halloween, right?

• 15:39Speaker 08

  Um, I have, um, an ex from a very long time ago who has occasionally over the last 20 years found me on social media apps or whatever and contacted and it's never been an issue until this month. So, um, this month I have received numerous text messages and then today I got an email that is very threatening, um, threatening against both me and my family. Um, and it escalated to the point that he took a recent picture of my husband at his work location. So the stalking is getting a little too aggressive at this point in time.

• 16:20Annie Elise?

  Like he took it himself?

• 16:21Speaker 08

  I don't know. That's just the thing. So my, my last contact with this individual was four, five years ago, something like that. Ended on a, on a social media app of messages back and forth, um, where I told him I was happily married. I had no interest in what he kept contacting me. He kind of blew things up and then blocked me. I blocked him, haven't heard from him since.

• 16:45Annie Elise?

  Okay.

• 16:46Speaker 08

  Um, this all started this month and I have a whole log. I have all the text messages. I have the email. Um, I have not responded or engaged at all. Um, but the text messages started on October 2nd, um, asking to me up, saying that he, he looked me up, quote, because I've never given him my phone number. I've never given him my email address. I've never given him any kind of contact information at all. Um, he ended with that, that he hoped that I killed myself.

• 17:17Speaker 08

  Hadn't heard from him at all until today. Today, he sent an email to me with a picture of my husband, asking if this was my husband. It's a recent picture of either today or within the last couple of days, because it's in his work location with snow on the ground, and saying that he hopes he drives real safe and that nothing gets in his tailpipe.

• 17:40Speaker 09

  Okay.

• 17:41Speaker 08

  And I, again, have not responded. So, I'm very concerned for my safety, so I guess my question for you is, is there a course of action to possibly take that could potentially safeguard me from this individual? And I guess what, I guess options I might have here?

• 18:04Speaker 09

  What do you know about him? Like, do you know where he lives currently? Do you know?

• 18:09Speaker 08

  So, he is a bit of a drifter, not that he's homeless or anything, but the, I went to, after, early October, I paid for whatever background searches, like on the internet, that's only like a truth finder. It looks like he's all over the place. I don't see a current address in Colorado.

• 18:29Speaker 09

  Okay.

• 18:30Speaker 08

  But clearly, he's in Colorado. And his very first text message to me said that he gets into Boulder every couple of weeks, or something like that.

• 18:37Speaker 09

  Okay.

• 18:38Speaker 08

  So, he's clearly in Colorado, I just don't know where. And that phone number that he texted me from, again, I will send you all information, including the phone number he texted me from, and the email that he sent just today. But that isn't even registered to anybody. So, I don't know if it's blocked, or spoofed, or what it is. And I wouldn't want to, my inclination is to not respond to this, or engage with him at all, for whatever delusions that he thinks that we're in some kind of relationship 20 years later, and I have never even seen him. You know? It's just, this is, this is a little obsessively strange.

• 19:15Speaker 09

  Yes. Yeah, I agree. And, and there could be like a slew of reasons of why it's kind of been sporadic over the years. We will never really know until we can try to maybe talk to him. But, um, that's where we can start for right now.

• 19:28Annie Elise?

  So a few days later on November 2nd, the case was finally assigned to an investigator, Detective Martinez. Now, it sounds like things were moving in the right direction, right? There's now a detective on the case. Things are getting handled. They're going to start looking into this. Hopefully, all of the concerning behavior and text messaging and stalking stops. But by then, Jack had already sent more messages. But this time, he had switched up and he had reached out by email. So Jack wrote to Kristielle saying, "Your license plate expired. You gotta fix that. Husband's good. You and your husband down to Eiffel Tower?" Now, if you don't know what an Eiffel Tower is, I'm going to explain it to you really quick, but it is thoroughly disgusting. I mean, you know what?

• 20:10Annie Elise?

  To each their own, okay? But it's basically a sex position when three people are involved. And I'm not going to like do an actual like drawing graph for you, but basically, the positions of the three people, it forms the Eiffel Tower. So, Google it at your own discretion. But that is what he was insinuating with this text message. So, again, very creepy, very unwarranted sexual advances. But the scariest part about the email was that he had been absolutely right. Kristielle checked her tags on her car and realized that they did expire. They expired in October. So if the pictures of Daniel at his workplace hadn't already convinced her that this guy was serious, and also that he was nearby, he was watching

• 20:53Annie Elise?

  her every move, I mean, this now clearly solidified that. He was watching them. He had access to them. He was getting very bold, even bolder by the day, arguably. And from there, the messages just kept coming and coming. The following day was a photo of a man's penis. The day after that was a topless male. The picture was very grainy, very hard to see, but she assumed that it was Jack sending photos of himself. Then on November 4th, she received another text message, but this time, it was from a different number, an unknown Number and this person was saying, hey, I saw your ad with your phone number on it. Posting, you know, the ad posting that you wanted a train, also known as multiple men,

• 21:36Annie Elise?

  basically being sexually active with you at one time, one after another. So clearly at this point, Jack hadn't only seemingly been stalking her and threatening her and sending her unsolicited penis pictures. But he also had posted her phone number somewhere online with some sort of ad soliciting sex, saying that she wanted a train run on her. Also that random men would now get in touch with her to try to hook up with her. Now, I'm not saying that the police weren't doing their jobs or weren't trying to help Chris Steele out at this point, but I will say that they were working a little too slowly for how quickly everything was happening. The detective on the case didn't even formally interview Chris Steele until the seventh.

• 22:17Annie Elise?

  And by that time, she was constantly, just consistently being harassed every single day. And of course, the interview was just that, an interview. I'm sure they were taking notes, trying to come up with a game plan as for what the next moves were going to be, but nothing was really being done to actually stop what was happening.

• 22:35Speaker 10

  I have never dealt with like this kind of level at in like a online version. And I think to myself of like advice that I give to my kids, watch out for online people. I'm like, this is exhausting. This is really like, I can't believe like any kids would be dealing with stuff like this that comes from all directions at any time. You know, it's just, it's a lot and it has definitely made me like paranoid everywhere I go, unfortunately. Yeah, no, I can completely understand that. Yeah, and I keep trying to remind myself, this is intending to be terrorizing. This is intending to scare me because it was pretty alarming, right? Where he's like, we're meant to be together and my family loves that we're talking. I'm like, whoa, you think that we're like in a relationship? So I shut it down real hard. I said, this is really creepy for me.

• 23:19Speaker 10

  You need to stop. I'm married, happily married with children. You need to stop. And he got like real emotional, real hurt. It wasn't angry, but it was hurt. He real like over the top emotions. And then, and then blocked me. I look, as you can see when things, when someone blocks you on Facebook. I'm like, good. And I blocked him and then I'm like, and then I shut down Facebook entirely before the pandemic. So like, there was no way to get ahold of me on any kind of old email address or old way. And that's when this starts. A lot of like very sexually explicit, very graphic, very, um, just like.

• 23:56Annie Elise?

  Poke the air kind of thing. Two days later, on the ninth, Kristielle had a dentist appointment and she went just trying to ignore everything that was going on, try to keep her day and plans, you know, as usual, hoping that maybe Jack would just leave her alone. But of course, that didn't happen. She got another text message from Jack and this time it said, "Saw you at the dentist. I like clean teeth for my cock. You got so horny and slutty in my car, so I nutted on yours. See you soon." Just absolutely disgusting. And let me say this, anybody who says the term "nutted" grosses me the fuck out. It is so disgusting. So Kristielle immediately got in contact with the detective because again, Jack had hit the nail on the

• 24:39Annie Elise?

  head once again. She had been at the dentist that day. And there was no way that Jack would have known that unless he was nearby watching her, stalking her. Which I want to just say this too, to be clear, I don't know if the part about him quote "nutting" on her car was true. I'm assuming not, since it would be DNA evidence on her car, but still, I mean, gross. So needless to say, after the dentist, Kristielle just booked it home. She was not going to risk to making any stops and having some sort of, you know, interaction with Jack. She just wanted to get home. Once she got there, she locked herself inside the house until her husband Daniel came home, so that she would no longer be alone any longer. Now, on that day, Detective Martinez apparently was able to do some digging.

• 25:21Annie Elise?

  And he discovered two things. Number one, the number that Jack was texting from wasn't a real phone number. It was a TextNow number. And for those of you who are unfamiliar, TextNow is an app that you can download. Then, once it's downloaded, it gives you this random number. You can text people from it as long as you have Wi-Fi. So it's kind of marketed as having, you know, unlimited free service. You can text anyone, you just have to be connected to Wi-Fi. I'm not trying to give anybody any ideas here, so slow your roll. But I do think that a lot of people who are in toxic relationships do use TextNow because you can keep making just this endless amount of new phone numbers, meaning that you can never really be blocked from somebody's phone. It's actually-

• 26:05Annie Elise?

  Pretty dangerous and upsetting, in my opinion. So if Jack sent one text from a random number and then Kristielle blocked that number, he could immediately just make a new number. I think even for free, potentially. Then just text her from that new number and then keep repeating that same cycle, same pattern. So it's either a toxic person or a stalker's paradise. I don't know, maybe people use it for more like PG things, but that unfortunately is just the only options that I'm familiar with that I've seen. Now, the second thing that Detective Martinez was able to identify was that the phone carrier that Jack was using was Verizon. Now, neither one of those things really seemed all that relevant, but it will make a lot more sense here shortly.

• 26:46Annie Elise?

  So I want to just state that fact and put a pin in it because we will come back to that. So for a few days after this whole dentist incident, things actually started to get pretty quiet. Kristielle slowly started to feel a sense of relief with that as well, thinking, okay, you know, maybe this chaos is finally coming to an end. Maybe he's bored and he's finally going to leave me alone since I haven't been giving him any responses. But by November 13th, that false sense of relief, it was completely shattered.

• 27:23Annie Elise?

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• 28:08Annie Elise?

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• 28:45Annie Elise?

  Kristielle received yet another text message from Jack on November 13th. So about six weeks since that very first weird text message. And this time, this text was a long one. So buckle in. And I am going to read this verbatim. But again, this is, you know, because there's poor grammar and bad spelling and all of that. But you'll be able to make sense of it, at least the context of it. So it says, "He don't deserve you. You know it. He don't satisfy you. That's why you keep all your fuckboys on the side. You're a dirty slut, and I know how to satisfy you. Admit that no one satisfied you since me. I see you flirting with waiters, almost begging for sex, licking your lips, and you have your tits out.

• 29:30Annie Elise?

  Don't know how many fuckboys you kept, but I'll save you. I know he's keeping us apart. You don't belong in that big house. You belong with me. I'll get rid of him, and then we can be together. So easy." Then in this next sentence, he uses a derogatory slur, so I'm going to abbreviate it. But he says, "He got an R-word midget on security. They let me park and walk right into his building. Been there for weeks. Give me the signal, and he won't come home. Every married bitch I ever banged wanted to get rid of the husbands. I'll do it for us. Help me get rid of him, and then we can be together, just like you want. I'm planning a big B-day party for you. Just you, me, and 20 friends. I know you're a dirty slut.

• 30:16Annie Elise?

  I'll treat you right. You can be slutty with me, and I'll take you. You don't want the fake married life. You want to be dirty. I'll save you." Help me get rid of him and we can get away. I know he's stopping you from talking to me. You don't want him. I know you want me. I mean, very upsetting, am I right? And when Kristielle read this message, her heart just completely sank. There was no doubt in her mind that Jack was telling the truth here, that he had been clearly watching her. He knew details about her house, about Daniel's work, her appointments, her car. So he had been telling the truth all those times. Why wouldn't he be telling the truth this time? When he said that he had been at Daniel's job every day? I mean, who even knew what this guy was actually capable of?

• 31:00Annie Elise?

  So she immediately called the police, just terrified that they were too late. What if something terrible had already happened to her husband, Daniel? Now fortunately, the police took it very seriously. At the very same time, in fact, officers not only stormed into Daniel's workplace, but they also had officers going directly to their family's home where Kristielle was. They just wanted to make sure that they were covering all of their bases and that everybody was okay. Which, to their surprise, or maybe not, I don't know. There was no evidence of Jack anywhere in Daniel's building, or any evidence that proved that he had ever been there at any point in time. Maybe he had seen enough of what the workplace looked like from the outside? I don't know, just kind of like he had seen from their house.

• 31:42Annie Elise?

  But the point is, there didn't seem to be any sort of immediate threat here. I mean, that didn't mean that the whole thing wasn't still a threat in and of itself, but it didn't seem like there was an immediate threat to anybody's physical safety because of him being on site. And looking a little bit further, the text message had said that it was all up to Kristielle. And she had never officially given him the green light, the okay, go ahead and off my husband, right? Now, when it comes to the investigation after this specific point, I definitely did have some questions. Because apparently, they were able to get Jack's two most recent addresses, which were in Idaho and in Utah, his most current being in Utah. Other than that, though, I mean, sure, there was an open case file

• 32:26Annie Elise?

  and they were taking all of Kristielle's calls and listening to her concerns, but it doesn't seem like they were doing anything to really actively stop this guy. And the thing is, if we're just being honest, when it comes to a lot of stalking and harassment cases, there's really not a whole lot that can be done until something bad happens. That's why it's so scary, because it's not illegal to send a bunch of text messages or a bunch of unsolicited dick pics to your ex of 20 years. Is it weird? Uh, hell yeah. Is it creepy? 100%. But really, what can the investigators actually do about it? I mean, yes, they could look into it a little bit more. And I will say, I guess the detectives did have the intention of filing a search warrant

• 33:10Annie Elise?

  to at least get some of the information on the email addresses that were being used. But somebody, I guess, screwed it up and made a typo on the warrant. So that stalled things, because even the slightest typo or misspelling can completely ruin a search warrant. They can't just take it to a judge and be like, hey, you know what? It actually is supposed to say this, but you get what I mean, you know, my bad. So they had to start the entire process all over again, which they ended up telling Kristil it could take weeks to do that. Which, why they didn't just contact Jack directly and speak with him? Your guess is as good as mine. It's a very good question, because it certainly wouldn't be too difficult to find his information. In fact, Kristil had literally done all of the digging that the detectives would even need to do.

• 33:53Annie Elise?

  She literally showed up at the police department with her own file that had all the information that she was able to find on Jack. I mean, she was just a very intelligent woman. She wasn't the type of person to just sit back and hope for the best. Yet despite her files having his most recent address, his potential phone numbers associated with his name, even potential license plate numbers, nobody reached out to him, not a single person. Which, this is insane for a lot of reasons. I mean, of course, you should always take a woman's safety seriously when they're being stalked. But you'd also think that if you are literally handed information on a silver platter, the least you could do is make a couple phone calls, right? It's no surprise that after everything that had been happening, Kristil had become a shell of her former self.

• 34:38Annie Elise?

  She was paranoid about everything. Anytime her phone pinged, she was terrified that it was going to be another text message from Jack. She was scared that one day his threats wouldn't just be threats anymore, but they would be promises. She was scared to even leave the house. She was scared out of fear that Jack was always somewhere nearby, just watching her, watching her every move and drafting his next text message. Not to mention, she was terrified for her kids. By this time, they were eight years old, 11 years old, and 14 years old. So, they weren't little babies who you could shelter and shield from all the bad in the world. They were old enough to understand something was going on. She did her best to protect them and shield them, but kids are smart. They pick up on

• 35:21Annie Elise?

  way more than we give them credit for. So, I'm sure that they could tell that something just wasn't quite right. And what scared Kristil even more was the thought of Jack potentially turning his attention on to them. If he had figured out where Daniel worked, it definitely would not be difficult for him to find out where the kids went to school, or what their routines were. So Kristil started skipping her kids' important events, even things like her daughter's dance recital, which was incredibly painful. She wanted to be there. She didn't want to be the mom who didn't show up, but she was scared that if she did show up, she was putting her kids in harms way. And dance was something particularly that the two of them had always shared together. Kristil loved that her daughter was just as passionate about dance as she was. But again,

• 36:04Annie Elise?

  the fear of drawing attention to her kids, or worse, leading Jack straight to her kids, it was too much for her to risk. So at this point, Kristiell and her husband Daniel knew they needed to protect themselves and protect their family as best as they could. So they began taking all of the precautions that a lot of people take, not only in these kinds of situations, but even before a situation like this occurs. They got security cameras installed all over the house. Kristiell bought a gun. Even though they didn't want to scare the kids, they also made a plan. They made sure that the kids knew what they needed to do if there was ever a situation where a stranger approached them in public, or a stranger came to their school saying that they needed to pick them up, you know, having a safe word, a code word, just role-playing all of these

• 36:49Annie Elise?

  different scenarios, so that God forbid, if anything ever actually happened, they would be as prepared Possible to react. And above all else, they just tried to get back to how life was before all of this, before Jack was stalking them and harassing them because they didn't want to allow him to ruin their lives. Or I mean, at least the goal was to not allow him to ruin their lives. But the texts never stopped. They kept coming, although I will say they weren't as threatening or as notable as the other ones that I've shared. But by December 14th, 2023, so a month after that really scary text message came through, all hell had broken loose.

• 37:31Annie Elise?

  On December 14th, 2023, at 12:03 PM, Kristil husband, Daniel, called the Broomfield Police Department. He explained who he was, but they already knew who he was. They were very familiar with he and Kristil case. They knew about the stalker, the harassment, everything. So they assumed that this was another call, that there had been another threatening text message that had been sent. But this time, Daniel wasn't calling about Jack sending a text message, not a strange call, not a strange text. It wasn't about that. This time, he was calling because he was worried about his wife, Kristil. He was still at work. That's where he was calling the police from. But he told these detectives that Kristil hadn't answered her phone or responded to any text messages for about three hours at this point.

• 38:16Annie Elise?

  This was also very unlike her. It was out of character for her, especially with everything going on. She knew to check in with her husband, so he was very worried. Apparently, Kristil had told him that she had a meeting with Detective Martinez that morning, which, okay, great, no big deal. But three hours, it seemed like a really long time for her to not check in with him and say, you know, hey, the meeting's running over, I'm still here or starting late, that's why I'm still at the police station. I mean, it's not like they would have taken her phone or not taken a break during that meeting, so she certainly could have notified her husband. So basically, he was just very, very worried and he wanted to make sure, you know, hey, I just want to clarify that I haven't heard from Kristil. I want to verify she's still there, still at the station, still talking with Detective Martinez, and that I'm just overreacting and paranoid.

• 39:04Speaker 03

  Uh, hi there. Uh, my name is Dan Krug. I- I don't think this is an emergency, but- but this feels really weird.

• 39:12Speaker 11

  Okay.

• 39:13Speaker 03

  Uh, my wife isn't responding, uh, to text messages or phone calls.

• 39:20Speaker 11

  Okay.

• 39:20Speaker 03

  Uh, and- and- and we've had, um, we've had threats against us. She was supposed to meet with Detective Martinez today, but I- I can't get a hold of him. Can I get a, uh, uh, either someone in- in the house to- to check in with Martinez? Or maybe both, maybe a- a wellness check at the house?

• 39:42Speaker 11

  Yeah, we can go check the house. What's the address?

• 39:45Speaker 03

  Uh, it is, uh, three one, three two Promontory Loop. I can spell that.

• 39:51Speaker 11

  That's okay. Um, and what's a good phone number for you, Dan? And where are you currently located?

• 39:57Speaker 03

  Uh, I'm- I'm at work. Uh, I'm in, uh, Glendale.

• 40:01Speaker 11

  Okay. All right. What's your wife's name?

• 40:05Speaker 03

  Uh, Kristil. K R I S T I L.

• 40:10Speaker 11

  Okay. And last name?

• 40:12Speaker 03

  K R U G.

• 40:16Speaker 03

  She- she texted me like, I don't know, three-ish hours ago. Uh, and- and I've asked her multiple questions since then.

• 40:27Speaker 11

  Okay.

• 40:28Speaker 03

  And- and she's not responding.

• 40:29Speaker 11

  Oh, okay. What was going on when you talked to her about three hours ago? Was she okay? Was- was she having any medical things, anything going on?

• 40:37Speaker 03

  Uh, she asked me to pick up our daughter from school because she had to meet with Martinez.

• 40:43Speaker 11

  Okay.

• 40:45Speaker 11

  So she was supposed to, like, come into the PD and meet with Martinez?

• 40:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's what she said.

• 40:51Speaker 11

  Okay.

• 40:55Speaker 11

  And then, um, what is her phone number, just in case?

• 40:59Speaker 03

  Oh, God, she just got a brand-new cellphone because of this. Um, give- give me- give me one second. I need to- I need to pull it up. I don't have it memorized.

• 41:08Speaker 11

  Okay.

• 41:09Speaker 03

  I'm sorry. Uh, her cellphone.

• 41:13Speaker 11

  Do you know what time the meeting was supposed to start? Like, did she have an appointment?

• 41:18Speaker 03

  No, I, I had no idea. Uh, all I know is, uh, in the text that she sent me, uh, she asked me to pick up her daughter because she had to meet with Martinez.

• 41:28Speaker 11

  Okay.

• 41:30Speaker 03

  I, that, I, I got nothing, I'm sorry.

• 41:32Speaker 11

  No, that's okay. What kind of vehicle does she drive?

• 41:36Speaker 03

  Uh, uh, oh, God, the fear. It, it's a gray Mazda three hatchback.

• 41:43Speaker 11

  Okay.

• 41:44Speaker 03

  Uh, license plate, that, uh, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm sorry, I can't say it.

• 41:49Speaker 11

  It's okay, no, it's okay.

• 41:50Speaker 03

  Uh, seven, seven, five, I S M.

• 41:52Speaker 11

  Seven, seven, five, I S M, is it Mary?

• 41:56Speaker 03

  Mary, yes.

• 41:57Speaker 11

  Okay. All right, and then you said this was a, is this like a case for somebody threatening you guys?

• 42:03Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 42:04Speaker 11

  Okay.

• 42:04Speaker 03

  Uh, Mo- Martinez knows, knows all of this. Uh, we have both been targeted, uh, by a stalker.

• 42:12Speaker 11

  Okay.

• 42:12Speaker 03

  Uh, threats have been made against my life.

• 42:15Speaker 11

  Okay.

• 42:16Speaker 03

  Uh, and, and threatening to like kidnap her, which is why I'm

• 42:20Speaker 11

  Yeah, yeah.

• 42:20Speaker 03

  I'm nervous that she's not answering me.

• 42:22Speaker 11

  Yeah, understandable for sure. Um, let me get this going here. So, we will, um, get this in, we'll try to track down Martinez as well, um, and then we'll also send officers over to the house, just to check the house and see what's going on. If you

• 42:37Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 42:37Speaker 11

  hear from her before then, or something changes, just give us a call back, okay?

• 42:41Speaker 03

  Okay. Uh, I, I'm, I can't focus here at the office, I'm gonna be wrapping up as fast as possible and

• 42:49Speaker 11

  Okay.

• 42:49Speaker 03

  and, and heading home.

• 42:50Speaker 11

  Okay.

• 42:51Speaker 03

  Uh, it, it takes me forty-five minutes, so

• 42:53Speaker 11

  Okay, all right, sounds good, we'll

• 42:54Speaker 03

  I'm, I'm a ways out.

• 42:55Speaker 11

  Okay, we'll let them know and we'll have an officer call you, okay?

• 42:58Speaker 03

  Okay, thank you.

• 42:59Speaker 11

  You're welcome. Bye.

• 43:00Speaker 03

  Bye.

• 43:01Annie Elise?

  Now, this not only confused everybody at the station, but it really worried them. Because Detective Martinez hadn't scheduled a meeting with Chris Steele that day.

• 43:13Annie Elise?

  Not that morning, not that afternoon, not at all. She definitely was not at the station that day. She never had been. So they immediately sent officers to Kristielle and Daniel's house to do a wellness check. It was probably nothing. It was probably just paranoia, overreacting. Her phone had likely just died and she forgot to plug it in, right? Well, when the first responders arrived at the house and knocked on the front door, there was no answer, no movement inside the house, nothing that they could see. So then they moved over to the front windows. They looked inside, trying to make out anything that they could, but they still didn't see anything. The officers even knocked really loudly on each of the front windows, just in case maybe Kristielle had been sleeping, or maybe she was in the shower, or maybe she had been ignoring her

• 43:58Annie Elise?

  husband, Daniel, for whatever reason. But still, nothing. The garage was a pretty normal one. There were two big windows on the side, but they both had the blinds completely pulled down. Then, on the actual garage door, there were those little tiny windows up at the top of it, along, you know, the whole top strip. But they were so high up that you couldn't easily look into them. You needed a little bit of a boost or a stepstool. So the officers decided to pull the patrol car into the driveway, right up to those windows. Then, they were going to climb on top of the patrol car so they could get a better look inside the garage. And when they did, they saw something that nobody was expecting. When the responding officer, Officer O'Hare, looked into the garage, he could see, clear as day, that there was a woman in there.

• 44:43Annie Elise?

  A woman lying on the ground and not moving. There was also this area with a few steps that lead to a door to the inside of the house. You know how you'll walk up a couple of steps in a garage and then go into the house? And her body was lying right there, near the bottom of those steps. She was lying on her back, not moving, not responsive, and even worse, in a puddle of blood.

• 45:06Speaker 07

  151, send medical, and 110, I need a fourth entry. I got a female down in the garage.

• 45:19Annie Elise?

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• 46:22Annie Elise?

  Officer O'Hare not only saw a pool of blood surrounding this woman, but there was blood on the wall nearby as well. And he immediately knew that this woman was Kristielle.

• 46:35Speaker 07

  Romeville Police! Romeville Police!

• 46:38Annie Elise?

  So after breaking in the front door, the officer was finally able to get inside and was able to get to her, but she had no pulse that he could feel. Yet her body was still warm to the touch. Yet despite all the efforts that the medical team made and that first responders made, there was nothing that they could do. Kristielle was officially pronounced dead at 12:43 PM. Now, right away, the investigators knew that this was no accidental death. Kristielle had been murdered. This was clear. There was a stab wound near the left side of her chest, as well as what the police report described as, quote, "substantial wounds on the right side of her head near her temple." And aside from her injuries, the crime scene really was another thing that stood out to these investigators.

• 47:22Annie Elise?

  It was very suspicious. First of all, there were no signs of forced entry, not anywhere in the home. I mean, the officer literally had to bust down the door just to get to Kristielle. No windows were broken, the doors were all locked, it was sealed up like Fort Knox. And as odd as all of that was, the biggest red flag was that the doorbell camera on the front door of the home had blue painter's tape put over the camera portion of it. Clearly, someone had been very intentional and made sure that they weren't caught on this newly purchased Ring Cam that Kristielle and Daniel had installed. And like I mentioned a few minutes ago, there were cameras literally all over the house, inside and out.

• 48:05Annie Elise?

  Daniel and Kristielle had been prepared for something like this. They knew that something like this was a possibility. But the odd thing about these cameras was that three out of the four cameras had been turned off for a pretty significant portion of the day, specifically during the time that Kristielle was murdered. And that fourth camera? The fourth camera was on the front door, the one that had that blue painter's tape just completely laid on top of it. So as they're looking into the footage and trying to see like, what's really going on here with these cameras? What do you know? All three cameras magically came back on later in the day. Which, it's kind of odd that the cameras were, you know, quote, "malfunctioning" during the times that they were needed the most and when Kristielle was murdered, but it seemed

• 48:49Annie Elise?

  as though that was done intentionally. Something that's also worth mentioning is the location of where Kristielle's body was found. We know that she was found at the bottom of the stairs in the garage, and we also know that her purse and her keys were next to her body. So it seems like she was about to get in the car and possibly leave. Now, inside her purse that was next to her was her gun. So if she thought that she was in danger, there is no doubt that she would have pulled it out and at least tried to defend herself. So now the question was, okay, how could someone have gotten inside her house without any signs of forced entry at the perfect time when she was home alone and the cameras were turned off and just snuck up on her without her even knowing that they were there?

• 49:33Annie Elise?

  And I know that that is not impossible, please do not get confused or get me wrong with that. I have seen this in way too many cases to count. And if I've learned anything over the years of doing these cases, it's that anything is possible. But what I've also learned is that if something seems too coincidental to be true... It's likely because it is. Now, right away, the investigators honed in on Jack. Obviously, he was the biggest suspect here. He had the motive. He certainly had the means and the opportunity, considering he was constantly stalking her and knew her every move. And it seemed like this case was one that was going to be very simple and quick to solve. Jack had been stalking Kristil for months, ramping up his threats, making her feel unsafe everywhere, including in her own home.

• 50:18Annie Elise?

  And as unfortunate as it was, it was likely that Jack had finally decided that he was done with this cat and mouse stalkery kind of game. If he couldn't have Kristil, nobody could. And then everyone would finally be able to see how serious he was, how serious he had been about his undying love for her. And as you can imagine, I mean, Kristil's husband, Daniel, was just beside himself, distraught. He was later taken into the police station to answer some questions, and he pretty much expressed the same feelings that the detectives had. It had to have been Jack, right? This couldn't have been random. This wouldn't have been by chance. It's too big of a coincidence. Now, Daniel refers to him as Anthony in this interview that you are about to hear. But I just wanted to remind you

• 51:02Annie Elise?

  that Jack and Anthony are the same person. He goes by both names.

• 51:07Speaker 12

  I mean, who do you think, who do you think killed her?

• 51:11Speaker 13

  I think it's Kate. I think it's Anthony.

• 51:14Speaker 12

  Okay.

• 51:16Speaker 13

  If not him, I have, I have no other suggestion.

• 51:28Annie Elise?

  He had clearly been watching her enough to know her everyday routines. When she left the house, where she was going, what she was doing. So it wouldn't be too crazy to imagine that he knew that there would be a small gap in time when Daniel left for work and Kristil was home alone. But what Daniel hadn't realized is that the investigators on the case had already started working with the Utah Police, tracking down Jack's location. They even gave him a surprise visit at his house just hours after Kristil's body had been found.

• 51:57Speaker 14

  I'm gonna ask you a couple of names to see if you recognize any names. Okay. Do you, have you ever heard of the name Crystal Krug? She may have been at Grimsrod when you knew her. Yeah. And do you know a Daniel Krug? No. No? How do you know Crystal? She was an ex-girlfriend. She an ex-girlfriend? Uh huh. How long's ex? Like, how long ago? Um, nineteen ninety-nine. Oh, so like a, like a long while ago? She was my very first girlfriend ever. Oh, okay. Um, when's the last time you talked to Crystal? Has it been a mi- a minute? Um, it's been a minute, yeah. Like, since you moved from, from Durango? Yeah. Yeah? So, that would've been, what, back in twenty-fourteen? Yeah.

• 52:41Speaker 14

  Have, have you had any contact with anybody in that area since? Anybody, or have they contacted you at any time? No. I'm gonna give you a phone number. And it's to a sergeant with the Broomsfield Police Department. Okay. He would like you to reach out and talk to him. Alright. Um, they have an incident, I don't know the full details of their incident out there, and so I'll let him talk to you about that aspect. Um, he had asked us to come out here to your house, uh, and, and talk with you. Um, they were debating on, you do have an active warrant out of, uh, Broomsfield Police Department. Um, and they were debating on if they were gonna have us arrest you or not. They are not going to have us arrest you on it.

• 53:27Speaker 14

  I'm gonna advise you the fact that you do have a warrant out of Colorado, and you can talk to this sergeant about the details of it, if that makes sense? Uh, when you, when you call and talk to him, um, you can talk to him about that as well. Um, is, just, when you call that number, that's his cell phone, just talk to him.

• 53:46Annie Elise?

  And here's the thing, after finally speaking with Jack, the investigators were kind of like, wait a minute, none of this is making any sense. You see, Jack had an alibi, and a pretty good one at that. The first being that he was at his home in Utah just hours after Chris Steele had been murdered, despite it being about an eight-hour drive from where he lived to where Chris Steele lived. He was home just within hours. So they looked into whether or not he could've traveled by plane, if he could've flown there. But there was no evidence that he had taken a plane that day in an attempt to flee the scene and make it look like he had been in Utah the whole time. And on top of that, he hadn't just been sitting at home or been by himself where it would be

• 54:28Annie Elise?

  difficult to verify that alibi, but rather, he and his wife had been at the local Kohl's store buying a sweatshirt. They even had a receipt to prove that they were at Kohl's, again, eight hours away in Utah, at the exact time of Kristielle's death. On top of that, license plate readers got his plates on camera near his address in Utah around that same time. So I mean, it doesn't get much better than that in terms of how alibis go, right? But still, one thing was for sure here. Kristielle had been murdered in her own home, in cold blood. But if not by Jack, then who? And this is where things start to get really, really interesting, guys. The investigators were sitting down and basically

• 55:12Annie Elise?

  trying to come up with a game plan of how to approach all of this. Jack had said he wasn't anywhere near the crime scene, and they really couldn't dispute any of that. They didn't have a single thing to argue against what he was saying as far as where he was that day. All they had was suspicion and the track record of him being the stalker and the harasser and the texter, simply because he had seemingly been stalking her and threatening her family for months. So again, what are the odds of Kristielle ending up murdered and it having absolutely nothing to do with Jack? But during this whole surprise visit to Jack's house, he was very cooperative with the police. He even let them check all of his devices. And guess what? When they searched

• 55:53Annie Elise?

  those devices, there was no sign that he had made any contact with Kristielle at all recently, let alone during the times that she was getting all of these very scary stalkery messages, which was weird. If these messages weren't coming from Jack's phone, they had to be coming from somewhere. Maybe he was using a burner phone, maybe he was using a work computer, maybe he was using something else, something, anything that would explain why there weren't any messages or evidence of messages on his personal phone. And as we know, the detectives had done some research into where these messages were coming from. But remember, all that they knew was that the service provider was Verizon and that the messages were coming from a Text Now number. So, not really very helpful in this

• 56:36Annie Elise?

  situation. So now, the forensic IT experts began doing a reverse search, trying to see what they could find. And I genuinely mean this when I say it, but what they found was pretty much the furthest thing from what any of them could have ever imagined. The evidence showed that the messages had been sent from a Wi-Fi network whose address was not in Utah, where Jack lived, but from an address of 4300 Cherry Creek Dive South in Glendale, Colorado. And this address was very important, because this address just so happened to be the address of Daniel's workplace, Kristil' husband. Now, as if all of that wasn't sketchy enough,

• 57:20Annie Elise?

  the detectives were also able to determine that all of these text messages that had been coming from Jack all this time had been coming from a burner phone. A burner phone that was paid for with a gift card. A gift card that was registered in Daniel's name. And that burner phone also had Verizon service.

• 57:41Speaker 13

  What if I told you that we had already spoken with Anthony and there's no way that he was in town today?

• 57:53Speaker 13

  That I have nothing?

• 57:57Speaker 13

  That I'm fucking terrified to bring my children home?

• 58:06Speaker 12

  What are you terrified of?

• 58:08Speaker 13

  If it wasn't him, who was it?

• 58:18Speaker 13

  I replaced all of our locks after the garage surgery.

• 58:26Speaker 13

  I'll do it again.

• 58:31Speaker 13

  I got the cameras. I don't know who else.

• 58:45Speaker 12

  So there's a lot of moving parts to this investigation. There's a lot of things that we're doing and working on. A lot of, I mean, our entire investigations unit, I would say, fairly is working on this, right? Because like I said, we take this very seriously. This doesn't happen very often in Broomfield. Well. And... Been here for a long time. We take all crime very seriously, especially crime like this. So, um, one of the things that we really started looking into today in effort, in effort to find Anthony is, um, what is it? The Gmail, um, what was the other?

• 59:25Speaker 13

  Text now numbers.

• 59:27Speaker 12

  The text now numbers and things like that. I don't know what text now is.

• 59:31Speaker 13

  It's like an, an app that you can get fake phone numbers and contact people through Wi-Fi.

• 59:38Speaker 12

  Okay. Yeah, it's like a Wi-Fi only. Oh, uh, spoofing. Gotcha.

• 59:43Speaker 13

  Kinda.

• 59:44Speaker 12

  Yeah, not really spoofing, but like if I wanted to text somebody, let's say I was buying something on Craigslist and I didn't want them to know my real phone number, because I don't want them coming back to me or whatever, I would just get a text now account and it would, almost like a Google Voice, whatever, okay? So, um, the really weird part about looking into some of that stuff, because, um, we have what we call exigent circumstances right now, you understand what that means? Sure. So for us and our legal mumbo jumbo, that means that, um, someone died and we're looking into it very seriously, and so there's an urge, sense of urgency in getting that information. Gotcha. Okay, so companies are more likely to, um, cooperate with us if we're investigating

• 1:00:28Speaker 12

  that versus harassment or stalking or...

• 1:00:32Speaker 13

  Remember how we talked, when I said that our legal paperwork gets canceled a while? But because somebody was murdered today, we, we have the ability to tell them that and then they will generally provide us with information immediately. That's what exigent circumstances means.

• 1:00:51Speaker 12

  Okay.

• 1:00:52Speaker 13

  Because we're trying to find the killer.

• 1:00:57Speaker 12

  So some of that information that we've been able to receive today

• 1:01:02Speaker 12

  is a little bit, I don't know, concerning, I guess.

• 1:01:09Speaker 12

  The Gmail account that, um, and you can speak more specifically.

• 1:01:15Speaker 13

  And that TextNow number we were talking about, the number that he initially texted Chris Steele from.

• 1:01:22Speaker 13

  The Gmail account, the Kickman account that you guys initially received with the photo of you in it? And the phone number, those originated through their IP addresses at your office.

• 1:01:38Speaker 13

  It doesn't make any sense.

• 1:01:41Speaker 13

  Well, he took the photo of me at my office.

• 1:01:47Speaker 13

  Right.

• 1:01:50Speaker 13

  But both of those accounts originated from IP addresses that went back to your office. I don't know what to do with that.

• 1:01:59Speaker 12

  Well, tell us about the IP address, do you know anything about the, um, the network or anything at your, at your work? Or?

• 1:02:07Speaker 13

  I do, I do money.

• 1:02:09Speaker 12

  Yeah, I know, but like here, I, I, believe me, I know nothing about tech stuff. That's why I keep looking to him to explain this crap is, um, I still don't know there's a-

• 1:02:18Speaker 13

  There, there are Wi-Fi access throughout the facility for employees. And there's public Wi-Fi access throughout the entire facility.

• 1:02:34Speaker 12

  Okay.

• 1:02:36Speaker 13

  C, P, H, E, guests, I think is what it is. And we literally post the passwords in every single meeting room.

• 1:02:48Speaker 12

  Okay. I don't know, it just doesn't, it, it's not adding up. It's not adding up. And, um, wha- what I want you to, to know is that, um, and feel that, based on what you've told me and what I've learned about your relationship, is that, it sure sounds like you were, um, I don't know, just sort of, I don't know if it was being used, or what it was, but you guys were kind of going through the motions in your marriage, and, um,

• 1:03:27Speaker 12

  I think all this stalking stuff became, um, an opportunity for you guys to, um, get closer, or, um, for you to try to dig about this affair that she's having, or maybe try to confirm or not confirm this mystery time lapse disappearances of hers. Um,

• 1:03:51Speaker 12

  because you're a smart guy, and you couldn't get the information from her by asking her? This was really helpful, I feel.

• 1:04:03Speaker 12

  Well, um, I've heard of a lot of crazy stuff. Like that?

• 1:04:11Speaker 12

  And this seems to be, um, sort of like-minded to

• 1:04:16Speaker 12

  someone who's, who's smart like you, and who's analytical like you.

• 1:04:21Annie Elise?

  That's right. Kristielle had been stalked, threatened, slut-shamed, and harassed in the weeks leading up to her murder, not by an obsessed ex-boyfriend who was jealous of her life and her success. She had been stalked and harassed by her own husband. Daniel had been the one behind the screen this entire time. This was something that the detectives were very confident about. Every road led back to Daniel. Zero roads led back to Jack. Other than the fact that the person who signed the messages was signing them as Jack, there was nothing that linked the two of them together. And as we know- Anyone can sign any name when they send something, right? So on top of the already damning evidence that was stacked against her husband, Daniel,

• 1:05:06Annie Elise?

  the investigators also discovered that the only two people who had access to the camera's security codes, meaning the only two people who were able to turn those cameras on or off, were Kristil and Daniel. Now Kristil surely wouldn't have turned them off, so that only leaves Daniel. And when he was asked about those three cameras being turned off that morning, he couldn't even come up with any sort of bullshit excuse. He was literally speechless. Oh, and did I mention that he was also late to work that morning? Giving him the perfect amount of time to kill his wife Kristil and then come into work like nothing ever happened. When the investigators brought Daniel in for more questioning on December 14th, they

• 1:05:48Annie Elise?

  also read him his Miranda rights and they asked him to explain everything, top to bottom. They wanted to hear his version of events of what happened the morning of Kristil's murder. And here's what happened through Daniel's point of view. He started off the interview by denying having anything to do with Kristil's death. He didn't murder her, he didn't know who murdered her, if it wasn't Jack, I mean, the whole spiel. And he claimed that the morning of Kristil's murder had started off like any other day. Usually Kristil took the kids to school while Daniel was finishing getting ready for work. Then by the time that she was back, he would already be gone and headed into work. But this day in particular, he claimed that he was still home when Kristil got back from dropping the kids off at school.

• 1:06:31Annie Elise?

  And he said that he was still home because he was having diarrhea. His words, not mine. He said that he was stuck in the bathroom and that's why he ended up running late and getting to work late. He even made a point to say that it wasn't anything suspicious, it was just bad timing. And according to him, Kristil was surprised to see him still there. But he said, other than that, there really was nothing else to note. He and Kristil quickly interacted before he left and went to work and that was the last time that he ever saw her. They shared a couple text messages after that, one being the text message that said that she was gonna go meet with the detective that morning, which then, now after that, we know the rest of the story from there. She wasn't answering his texts or her phone calls, so he called the detectives to verify that she was still at the station.

• 1:07:13Annie Elise?

  But the thing about this interview was that Daniel seemed to be getting a little antsy during it. Gone was the super cooperative morning husband act that he had been portraying earlier that day. Now, he pretty much just said, "That's all that happened. Now, if you don't mind, if you're not arresting me, I'm leaving." And he did. Now, remember, this was all happening on the 14th, the same day that Kristil's body was found. And already, investigators had uncovered plenty of red flags pointing to Daniel. And it's a little frustrating, honestly, because they dragged their feet while Kristil was alive and begging for help. But now, once she was gone, things were moving very, very fast. And I feel like that's always kind of how it goes, right? It's like, it's too little, too late.

• 1:07:56Annie Elise?

  Which, of course, it's a good thing that things were moving fast. But still, it's frustrating. And just when Daniel couldn't look more suspicious, investigators learned a major piece of the puzzle from the people who knew Kristil best. Because now, they didn't just have a timeline and some evidence, but they had a motive.

• 1:08:22Speaker 15

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• 1:08:58Annie Elise?

  The investigators called Kristil's dad and stepmom, and these two were more than willing to share the reasons why they also believed that Daniel is the one who killed Kristil. To put it bluntly, their relationship just was not good. And it wasn't something that had just recently started, or it wasn't something that started due to the whole stalking situation, which we also know was never even orchestrated by Jack in the first place. But the two had been in rocky territory for a while. And apparently, Kristil had made it known that she wanted a divorce. And it wasn't just simply her saying that she was thinking about a divorce, or that she was planning on it, or that she was, you know... Deciding and weighing her options. She was actively planning it.

• 1:09:42Annie Elise?

  It was only a matter of time before the divorce was finalized. In fact, Kristil's dad told law enforcement that just three days before her murder, she was showing him pictures that she was saving in a file on her phone. And she was using these photos and saving them so that she could use them in a custody battle for her three kids. She wanted full custody. The police report kept it vague and it just said pictures. But my first thought whenever I hear of somebody saving pictures for a court case is something that has to do with physical abuse. Again, we don't know for sure. That's just where my mind went. Whether it was abuse against her, the children, I'm not really sure. Maybe that was the case, maybe it wasn't. But regardless, Kristil was not only planning on leaving Daniel, but planning on fighting for full custody of their three children,

• 1:10:25Annie Elise?

  which we know that is a big motive for somebody. And just to really solidify how serious these claims were, the investigators also went to Kristil's mom, basically asking her the same kinds of questions. You know, would Daniel have had any reason to hurt Kristil? Well, Kristil's mom pretty much confirmed it. She said the same thing that her dad and the stepmom had said. It was clear that Kristil was no stranger to confiding in her parents about her marital struggles and just her overall unhappiness. They all knew that she was unhappy. Now, this was the second time that Kristil's mom had spoken with the detectives. But this time, she wasn't in so much of a panic and she was able to actually have more clear thoughts going into this conversation.

• 1:11:07Annie Elise?

  And she wanted to be as thorough with them as possible. So she started by telling the detectives that yes, it was true that Kristil and Daniel were in the process of splitting up and ultimately getting a divorce. She also knew that it was pretty much all Kristil's doing. Daniel didn't want this. According to her mom, this was something that she had actively been planning for a while now. About a year prior to her death, she had packed up all of her things in the primary bedroom that she used to share with Daniel as well. And she had moved into one of the kids' bedrooms. So it had actually been a year since they even shared a room together, let alone a bed. Kristil's initial plan was to wait until one of her kids was out of school to officially file for divorce. I'm not exactly sure why. I think it's safe to assume that she was trying to do what she thought was best for

• 1:11:52Annie Elise?

  her family. And we do see that a lot in marriages that are struggling. They just think, you know, I'll just hold on until the kids are out of the house. I'll hold on until at least one of them's out of the house, something like that. And it seemed that that's what Kristil was doing as well. But apparently she had confided in her mom that she couldn't wait any longer. She had been unhappy for far too long. In the months leading up to her death, she had already started organizing the bank accounts. She had started handling the small tedious steps that come with preparing for a separation, where you're going to have to divide your assets, your money, everything. And that wasn't the only thing that her mom shared with the investigators. Now, for context, Kristil was murdered on the 14th, and this interview happened just two days later on the 16th.

• 1:12:35Annie Elise?

  And in those two days, in that very short window of time, Kristil's mom said that she saw Daniel acting strangely, off even. According to her mom, Daniel had already made it clear. He was planning on selling the house. And not only that, but he also had already started getting rid of Kristil's clothing and her belongings, which I don't know about you, but that is a big red flag to me. Two days after your partner, your wife, your spouse is murdered in cold blood in your house, you are selling the house, which is a crime scene. You're getting rid of their clothes? You're getting rid of their personal belongings? Trying to wipe them off the face of the earth as though they never existed? Hmm, that don't feel too right to me.

• 1:13:19Annie Elise?

  Like, something does not feel right. Also, they had three kids, which you would think that he would want to save a few things for them, right? Something to hold on to, something that would mean the world to them as they grew up, a piece of their mom. But what really stood out to Kristil's mom was how Daniel was acting. Not only that he was trying to like, you know, wipe a clean slate of everything, but his actions, because he didn't seem devastated. He wasn't talking about Kristil or the fact that their kids had just lost their mom. He didn't seem distraught or grieving. The only thing that he seemed upset about was that the detectives were questioning him. According to him, he felt like he was being framed, and that was his focus. Not the murder, not Kristil, just himself.

• 1:14:02Annie Elise?

  Which honestly, let's just call it what it is. That says a lot, right? Now, the final nail in the coffin was when the detectives were finally able to go through all of the neighbors' security cameras in the area. Because remember, this was 2023. Pretty much everybody had a Ring doorbell camera by this point, or some sort of security system in place. And to nobody's surprise, they saw that there wasn't a single unknown person entering or exiting Daniel and Kristielle's house. It was just them and the kids. So here's what the detectives think actually happened. The investigators believe that Daniel knew that it was only a matter of time before Kristielle left him. Like Kristielle's parents said, it wasn't a secret. She was leaving.

• 1:14:45Annie Elise?

  So panicked, he decided to start pretending to be Jack. And he started stalking Kristielle, harassing her, sending her those messages about how she's fat, how she's a slut, all of those horrible things. And they say he did this not so that he could hatch this diabolical plan to frame Jack for Kristielle's murder, but rather, it was done in an effort to get Kristielle back. Now, I know it sounds really insane, even saying that out loud, but let me break it down, because the detectives believe that for whatever reason, Daniel thought that in some sort of fairy tale universe, that this situation would bring them closer together. And I don't know what movie he was watching that made him believe that that could actually

• 1:15:29Annie Elise?

  be true, but that is what he believed. And I gotta just say, I do see a little bit of a similarity with the Kendra Lakari case, the catfish mom case, because for whatever reason, I personally believe that she was sending those text messages because she was jealous of her daughter and she had this, you know, infatuation with Owen. But some people believe that she was doing that to bring her daughter and her closer together. So it's not the craziest thing we've ever heard. But the detectives say this is why so many of those messages from fictitious Jack Were centered around Daniel, about Daniel being in danger and him being stalked and him being in harms way. He wanted Kristielle to have this kind of like aha moment, realizing that she still

• 1:16:11Annie Elise?

  loved Daniel and that she could never live without him and that now that there was a possibility of him being in harms way, she was scared to death and she just wanted to be with him. Again, very fairy tale, very fiction, okay, my man? Like, get a grip, stop watching Lifetime movies. And as we saw, that did not happen. I mean, yes, she did contact the police when she thought that he was in danger because she actually is a good human. She had empathy for the father of her children and the man that she once loved. She wasn't a psychopath, but it didn't mean that she wanted to like fall back in love with this guy and be with him forever. So then, the investigators believe that at some point, Daniel realized he was in way too deep. Kristielle had become paranoid of someone who was never even watching them and she

• 1:16:55Annie Elise?

  started taking matters into her own hands, getting the gun, getting the security cameras. So they say he started panicking, worrying about one day her finding out the truth that he had been the one sending those messages. He knew that she was never going to stop until she had the answers and once she got those answers, he would be totally, completely screwed. He'd likely be arrested for impersonating her ex, for stalking her. Even if he wasn't arrested, there would be no chance that he would get custody of the kids. So because of that, he orchestrated her murder. He knew her daily schedule. He knew that they could get the kids to school, pretend that he had gone to work by the usual time and then kill her in cold blood. He made sure that all of the cameras were either covered up or, you know, coincidentally

• 1:17:38Annie Elise?

  not working during the time that she was murdered. And best of all, she would never expect it. As she was heading into the garage to leave for the day, he hit her over the head multiple times, knocking her fully unconscious. Then, he stabbed her directly in the heart. She hadn't seen him coming. She had no idea that he was going to hurt her that morning, let alone murder her. He took her by complete surprise. Now, the exact object that he hit her over the head with is still unknown. It's only been described as a quote blunt object. Maybe since the attack took place in the garage, it was something that was nearby, like a tool, a wrench, a hammer, something. Maybe it was just anything heavy that you would typically find in the garage.

• 1:18:21Annie Elise?

  Then, after Kristil was dead, Daniel used her phone to send him the text message about having a meeting that morning with Detective Martinez, just really setting the footwork and the groundwork to put the rest of his plan in motion. Then, he went to work like usual, knowing that his wife and the mother of his three children was at their home, dead in their garage, bleeding, right before Christmas, mind you. I mean, what a sick, twisted, and I'm just gonna say it, perverted person, too, because of those text messages, right? So really, he seemed confident about his plan. I mean, it wasn't this spur-of-the-moment thing. He had planned it all out. He had taken a lot of careful consideration in his planning.

• 1:19:04Annie Elise?

  But to be honest, I'll just call it like it is, it doesn't really seem like a very well-thought-out plan. I mean, did he just assume that they would arrest Jack for her murder without looking into Jack's alibi or verifying that those messages had ever really originated from him? Did they also think that they wouldn't look into any other possible options of who had killed her, that they would just easily go directly to Jack? I mean, it just kinda seems like a no-brainer to me. So with ample evidence now stacked against him, Daniel was arrested on the 16th, just two days after Kristil's murder. He was charged with first-degree murder, stalking, and criminal impersonation. He, of course, pleaded not guilty to all of the charges.

• 1:19:45Annie Elise?

  And about a year and a half later, his trial finally began in April of 2025.

• 1:19:50Speaker 16

  This was about Dan losing control. He was not in love with Kristil, and that resentment had turned to rage by the time we get to December 14th. Think about what he did to her. You don't do that to somebody you love. Think about the absolute nightmare and hell that he made the last few months of her life.

• 1:20:08Annie Elise?

  Now, a lot of what was discussed at his trial was things that I already went over, but there were two very interesting things that were uncovered that I want to share with you, just in case, you know, you had any lingering doubts that Daniel was the one who killed his wife Kristil. But the first thing was that on December 13th, the day before Kristil's murder, Google searches on Daniel's phone showed that not only was he planning her murder, but planning exactly how he was going to kill her. And like we always say, the Google searches, they will get you every single time. So he was searching things like, when is a head injury a cause for concern? How hard would you have to hit someone in the head to make them unconscious?

• 1:20:51Annie Elise?

  Also, how long can you be unconscious without brain damage? Which let me just say what it is, okay? There is no world where he was just randomly looking these things up the day before Chris Steele was knocked unconscious and then stabbed. I mean, in my opinion, there is just no way that those things magically lined up in the stars. That is intent and that is premeditation. And we love to see dumb criminals, right? Not only did he not think that Jack would have an alibi and that the police would look at anybody but Jack, but this fucking moron also went to Google. We love to see it. We love to see when criminals are that stupid. Now, the second thing that I wanted to mention to you was that one of Daniel's exes also testified, and what she had to say about him was pretty freaking awful.

• 1:21:36Annie Elise?

  This ex was from many years before. She and Daniel had dated when the two of them were in high school and then into their college years. Their relationship was one that was never super serious. I mean, they were still teenagers and like a lot of relationships at that age, they quickly grew in different directions and she was no longer feeling it. So she broke up with him. But just like with Chris Steele and Daniel's marriage, Daniel was not having it. He didn't understand why she wanted to end things. And whether it was jealousy, embarrassment, or feeling like he owned her, or a combination of all three of them, who the heck really knows? But she testified that he made it very clear to her that she was making a big mistake. And get this, not long after she dumped his sorry ass, she began getting really weird messages.

• 1:22:21Annie Elise?

  These messages claimed to be written by all sorts of different people. Some of them would be signed by Daniel's roommates at the time, some were signed by his buddies, but there was one thing that all of these messages shared in common. They were threatening, they were abusive, they were scary. Now, at first, she thought, okay, he just has these really good friends who are willing to go to bat for him after he's been brokenhearted. But somehow she eventually learned that it wasn't his friends who were sending these messages. It was him. Sounds familiar, doesn't it? And these messages were so constant and so scary that eventually she went to the police, pretty much went to them, begging them to help her. And in the end, she was granted a protection order against him. Now, this was way back in 2001, but we know a tiger doesn't change his stripes,

• 1:23:06Annie Elise?

  leopard doesn't change his spots, all the cliche sayings, you get it. So when she now saw this major breaking headline with her crazy ex-boyfriend's picture on the front news of every single news site, newspaper, all the things, and had words attached to his photo like stalking and murder, she knew she had to come testify. She knew she needed to reach out to the investigators. So basically, Daniel was like a serial stalker. He was no stranger to sending whatever threatening messages he could to get his way, though ironically, he didn't get his way both times that he did it. So in the end, the jury found Daniel guilty on four charges. One count of first degree murder, two counts of stalking, and one count of impersonation. As a result, he was ultimately sentenced to life in prison

• 1:23:50Annie Elise?

  without the possibility of parole. Kristil family gave a brief speech after the guilty verdict was read, and I gotta say, my heart really goes out to them. Take a listen.

• 1:24:00Speaker 07

  The past 16 months now, since Kristil' just horrible and brutal murder have been absolutely traumatic for this entire family, and extended family, and all these friends. And especially for Kristil' three wonderful children. It's been awful. Their lives have been forever altered. There's no amount of justice that can bring her back. But it is a relief to know that the person who thought he was gonna get away with it, with this convoluted alibi picture and trying to blame it on somebody else, that that didn't happen.

• 1:24:42Annie Elise?

  Now, look, I am always happy to see justice served in these cases. Don't get me wrong. But I'm also always so appalled and disheartened by the fact that they ever even happened in the first place. Kristielle was an amazing woman, a mom, a daughter, a friend, even a wife. And the truth is, she did care about Daniel. Even if it was no longer at a romantic level, or even though she had this unhappiness in their relationship, she made sure that his safety was a priority. She still cared about him. I mean, a feeling that Daniel obviously just couldn't reciprocate. His selfish needs were too important to him. And I feel like I say this all of the time, especially when there's children involved, but like, you're doing this selfish action because you don't want to lose custody of your children and you think that there's no way out.

• 1:25:26Annie Elise?

  Or I guess that could be one of the arguments. It could also just be hatred and retaliation, since she didn't want to be with him anymore. But if it at all goes back to the custody issue, now you're, because you love your kids so much, you want custody of them, you can't live without them. Well, now your kids are living without both of their parents. So you're only hurting them. And I don't understand why grown adults can never seem to do that kind of critical forward thinking, to realize like, oh, this isn't an action that is going to solve my problem and allow me to be with my children, but in fact, it's going to make my children's life a lot worse. So if I'm trying to say, it's all for them, I'm selfless, I love them, you know, all of these things, it's really actually going to make their lives way worse, so I'm going

• 1:26:09Annie Elise?

  to take a beat and not be a selfish prick and just, like I always say, just get a divorce because I love my kids so much and I don't want to hurt them. But it's like, these people just have blinders on and all they can see is their own selfish needs, their own rage, their own priorities, their own entitlement, and it's infuriating. Maybe that needs to be a new tagline. Instead of just get a divorce, put your children first. I mean, it sounds so stupid, right? It's like, hello, duh. That's what happens when you become a parent. You always put your kids first. And I'm not trying to get super literal where people are like, no, you put your spouse, then God, then your kids. Like, I'm just talking, like, do what's best for your kids, or don't have them, period. I don't know, I could rant on this for days, but I'm not going to put you through

• 1:26:52Annie Elise?

  that torture. So I'm curious to hear your thoughts on this case. Let me know what you think. It certainly was a wild one. And it's kind of scary because it serves as a reminder of like, you never know who you're sleeping next to. I mean, in this case, they weren't sleeping in the same bed, but like, you never know who you're married to. You never know what somebody's true intentions are behind the scenes. And that's really scary. Now, before we go, I just want to thank you guys again for tuning in and give you that reminder that 10 to Life is officially launching tomorrow as a podcast. So again, whatever podcast app you're on right now, Apple, Spotify, iHeart, wherever you're listening from, search for 10 to Life, one, zero, to Life, and follow along so that you don't

• 1:27:33Annie Elise?

  miss those episodes. More content for you to binge and help you get through the week. So until the next one, guys, be nice. Don't kill anyone. Don't join any cults. Just get a divorce. And don't get any burner phones. Like, don't be a freak. Don't like harass people via text message. Just, ugh, don't. Alright, okay, okay. Bye.

• 1:28:07Speaker 00

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