405: Mackenzie Joking with Her Friends While in Jail | Mackenzie Shirilla Jail Calls

Since her sentence to prison for the crash that killed her boyfriend and his friend, Mackenzie Shirilla has largely remained out of the public eye. Netflix's Crash recently introduced the case to a whole new audience, but many of these conversations were never featured in the documentary. Now, with the release of dozens of prison phone calls with friends, a different side of the story has emerged. In these candid conversations, Mackenzie opens up about life behind bars, her hopes for the future, the attention surrounding her case, and the challenges of adjusting to her new reality. Dive into the prison calls that offer an unfiltered look at what Mackenzie has been saying from behind bars…. If you’re new here, don’t forget to subscribe for weekly deep dives into the darkest true crime cases: http://youtube.com/@annieelise..🔎 Join Our True Crime Club & Get Exclusive Content & PerksJoin The Club: http://www.patreon.com/annieelise..🎧 Need More to Binge? Listen to both of my weekly true crime series 10 to Life & Serialously with Annie Elise wherever you get your podcasts on the Annie Elise Channel!🍎 Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3WpfSP8 Where you can also unlock access to 100+ and growing extra exclusive deep dives.💚 Spotify: https://bit.ly/10TLSpotify🎙️ All Other Platforms: https://bit.ly/annieeliseaudioboom..📸 Follow Annie on Socials Instagram: http://instagram.com/_annieelise TikTok: http://tiktok.com/@_annieeliseFacebook: http://facebook.com/@10tolifeSubstack: https://bit.ly/AnnieEliseSubstack.👗 Shop Annie’s Must-Haves! ShopMY: https://bit.ly/annieelise_shopmy Amazon: https://bit.ly/AnnieElise_Amazon .📚 Episode Sources Strongsville Police Department••••••••••••••••••🚨Disclaimers1️⃣ Some links may be affiliate links, they do not cost you anything, but I make a small percentage from the sale. Thank you so much for watching and supporting me. 2️⃣ Sources used to collect this information include various public news sites, interviews, court documents, FB groups dedicated to the case, and various news channel segments. When quoting statements made by others, they are strictly alleged until confirmed otherwise. Please remember my videos are my independent opinion and to always do your own research. 3️⃣ The views and opinions expressed in this video are personal and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of any other agency, organization, employer, or company. Assumptions made in the analysis are not reflective of the position of any entity other than the creator(s). These views are subject to change, revision, and rethinking at any time and are not to be held in perpetuity. We make no representations as to the accuracy, completeness, correctness, suitability, or validity of any information on this video and will not be liable for any errors, omissions, or delays in this information or any losses, injuries, or damages arising from its display or use. All information is provided on an as-is basis. It is the reader’s responsibility to verify their own facts.

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  Hey, true crime besties. Welcome back to an all-new episode of Serialishly.

• 1:22Annie Elise?

  Hello, hello, hello, and welcome back to an all-new episode of Serialishly. With me, your true crime bestie, clockin' in for duty, here to break down more on the Mackenzie Sharilla mega case with you, okay? This is obviously a bonus episode. It's not releasing in our normal release schedule cadence, but it's because there is so much I just feel like I want to share with you. And if I put it all in one episode, it'd probably be 10 hours long. And the truth is, too, I'm uncovering more and more as we go, which, if you're brand new here and listening for the first time, welcome, first of all. But also, there is so much lore in the Mackenzie Shirilla case that you may want to go back

• 2:04Annie Elise?

  on the feed and listen to the deep dives to what Netflix left out of the docu-series or documentary. I should say, and all of this newness because I had shared with you that I have like over 600 pages of documents that I got first back in 2023 when I first started researching this case. And that's how I was able to identify what Netflix left out and what was missing and give you more of like a comprehensive picture of who Mackenzie really is and what happened. But we also, of course, have been doing our due diligence, FOING, getting all sorts of information. And there's been a lot that they've tried to keep under lock and key, but we have been, you know, we've had some loopholes and we've gotten a lot of stuff back. And I've seen some of the jail calls floating around out there and it's

• 2:48Annie Elise?

  little snippets here and there. But so many people are saying like, well, where's the full uncut version? Where's the raw, uncensored, unedited phone calls? And I got them. I've got them for you. So there's so many. So rather than just like playing you the string of like a million calls and boring you to death with some of them, I wanted to really highlight a select handful. Now, the ones I'm going to share with you today are phone calls between Mackenzie and her friends, Rosie, Kendra, Faith, a mystery friend. And the reason I want you to hear these is because we've, one of the biggest parts of the conversation has been, is Mackenzie remorseful? Has she taken accountability? Has she shown even

• 3:32Annie Elise?

  like a tiny bit of sorrow or remorse? It's my opinion that these calls while in jail with her friends illustrate exactly who Mackenzie is. No remorse, joking around, talking about food, jail recipes, these really great chips in jail, boys, sex advice, relationship advice. She also, I think, still has very much that Regina George mean girl mentality. Because in these calls, you can hear her and her friends making fun of other people, dropping the R word like it is just regular vocabulary for her. I just like really evil, evil stuff, making fun of people, talking about how people are slow, making fun of

• 4:15Annie Elise?

  why they're there. I mean, just evil shit, right? And it seems like nobody is taking anything seriously and not realizing the severity of not only what has happened, but what the situation currently is. So what I'm going to do is play you these calls just in sequence and I'll put on screen for those of you watching the video version of this, who the phone calls with and then like we, I have so much crap from her social media and I say crap because like that's what it is. It's pictures of her in like the skimpy outfits and doing whatever. And I'll cycle through some of that as B-roll too. So you're not just staring at a black screen, but I really wanted to highlight these calls particularly for you. And at the end of the episode, I'm going to share some other

• 4:58Annie Elise?

  information with you and we'll talk through that and what's to come because I'm going to have another episode coming for you on Friday. Also, I want to quickly mention that originally I was not going to post this episode on my podcast feed. I was going to only have it live over on YouTube because I just felt like with so much third-party media and the jail calls that it doesn't necessarily translate as well to the audio-only listener. But I did a poll over on Instagram this afternoon saying, hey, you know, I have this extra episode I'm thinking of putting out. It has a lot of phone calls. Commentary, yes, but mainly phone calls. I'm going to have it only live on YouTube, but for all my podcast listeners, would you, would you want me to cross-post it? Do you want it on the podcast feed as well? And landslide

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  voting came in and you are requesting that it goes on the podcast feed as well. So although I know it doesn't sound like our typical episodes where our, it's more me talking, it's commentary, it's things like that. And I know it's more media-driven this time around. I just wanted to explain the reasoning behind that. So I mean, I know it might not be your cup of tea. I apologize if it's not, but wanted to at least, you know, do what the poll majority is saying and cross-post it so that you can listen to it if you are interested. So let's get into these calls.

• 6:19Speaker 02

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• 7:19Speaker 03

  Hello?

• 7:20Speaker 04

  Hey babe.

• 7:21Speaker 03

  Hi, pretty lady.

• 7:23Speaker 04

  I'm sorry I missed your call, like, they just fucking cancelled it, like...

• 7:27Speaker 03

  I know, I seen that, I was sitting, like, I had my tablet waiting, um...

• 7:31Speaker 04

  I was irritated as fuck.

• 7:32Speaker 03

  Come on, flash. Come on. Yeah, I know, I seen that, and I called my mom, I'm like, "What the fuck is this shit? Do they want me to come upstairs?" Then your mom was like, "Please, just calm down."

• 7:43Speaker 04

  And, so, yeah, they just, yeah, I don't know, so you gotta make another one?

• 7:47Speaker 03

  I did make another one for Friday.

• 7:51Speaker 04

  For tomorrow?

• 7:52Speaker 03

  Friday, because tomorrow I work all day, so I won't, it won't connect through...

• 7:56Speaker 04

  Oh, so, so, yeah, we'll just talk now, because, like, too, but, like, I was, like, they cancelled it because, um...

• 8:02Speaker 03

  If you call me on the phone, it'll work tomorrow, but, um, it won't connect to any of the stuff, or the jail stuff at work, because I'm at a rural farm.

• 8:12Speaker 04

  Oh, I like that.

• 8:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, so, it doesn't really connect to nothing at a rural farm, because, like, no service out there.

• 8:19Speaker 04

  That's fine.

• 8:21Speaker 03

  How are you?

• 8:24Speaker 04

  Uh, the bitch in the room next to me is, like, crazy as fuck, like, she's, like, what?

• 8:32Speaker 03

  I have good news.

• 8:32Speaker 04

  I just tried this one, what'd you say?

• 8:36Speaker 03

  Huh?

• 8:37Speaker 04

  What is it?

• 8:38Speaker 03

  All right, I'm gonna read it to you.

• 8:41Speaker 03

  Let me pull my...

• 8:42Speaker 04

  That one's open.

• 8:46Speaker 03

  Who's up? Okay. Um. So I texted Rosie and said, "Girl, did you see what Sammy posted?"

• 8:56Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 8:58Speaker 03

  She said, "Yes, bro." I unfollowed her and said, "What?" And then she sent me a screenshot for proof. And said, "Like, what the fuck? Never lost respect for someone so fast. She's such a snake." I said, "Okay, I was gonna say, 'Girl, don't do that to him.'" She said, "She is ugly." I said, "Oh, like, the fuck is she gonna do that to me?"

• 9:14Speaker 04

  Hold on, you gotta get off speaker. I can't understand you that well, like, you...

• 9:19Speaker 03

  Hold on, let me send it to Damian so I can get you off speaker.

• 9:23Speaker 04

  So was she, like, she's not on the weird shit?

• 9:26Speaker 03

  No, she's not. She unfollowed Sammy.

• 9:29Speaker 04

  What did Sammy say about it? Like, what did she say to... She didn't say anything to Sammy about it, or she just, like, blocked her?

• 9:34Speaker 03

  She, well, she unfollowed Sammy and said "what" to her, like, split up and was like, "What?" And Sammy was like, "What do you mean, what?"

• 9:42Speaker 04

  What the fuck?

• 9:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 9:45Speaker 04

  Her ugly ass. That's why she's a fucking fan, as she should.

• 9:50Speaker 03

  Right, well, and she's a minor, so... And stuff, but she turned eighteen soon. Me? Oh, I thought you were gonna get me soon. My brother's an ass.

• 10:03Speaker 03

  Do you wanna say how to come? Yeah. You have to put it up to your ear and...

• 10:07Speaker 05

  I, I know how to talk on the phone.

• 10:09Speaker 04

  (laughing)

• 10:10Speaker 05

  Hello?

• 10:11Speaker 04

  What's up, Damian?

• 10:12Speaker 05

  Hi, how are you?

• 10:13Speaker 04

  It's shitty. (laughing)

• 10:15Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 10:16Speaker 04

  It's shitty as fuck in here. It's fucked. But yeah...

• 10:20Speaker 05

  You got any friends in there?

• 10:21Speaker 04

  Uh, yeah, just one girl, but I'm on the mental hospital floor, yes. Like, they have crazy ass people here, like, mentally ill.

• 10:29Speaker 04

  Shit, yes. (laughing)

• 10:31Speaker 05

  (laughing) That's fucked.

• 10:33Speaker 04

  It's very interesting.

• 10:35Speaker 05

  Yeah, and it's, you're on a girls' unit too, so it's...

• 10:39Speaker 04

  Yes. All girls, very mentally ill.

• 10:43Speaker 05

  (laughing)

• 10:44Speaker 04

  It's horrible.

• 10:46Speaker 05

  Oh, okay, well, babe wants the phone back.

• 10:48Speaker 04

  Alright. (laughing) See you, Damian.

• 10:50Speaker 05

  Bye.

• 10:52Speaker 03

  Bitch.

• 10:55Speaker 03

  I have to tell you something.

• 10:56Speaker 04

  Huh?

• 10:58Speaker 03

  Oh my fucking god, Damien, hurry up. Um, so your cousin Jacob's been texting me.

• 11:08Speaker 04

  He is bad.

• 11:10Speaker 03

  Like texting me like all the time, Ken.

• 11:13Speaker 04

  What is he saying?

• 11:14Speaker 03

  He's just like, "I hope you're okay, make sure you're eating."

• 11:20Speaker 04

  What's wrong with him? He doesn't talk to, um, what is it, um, uh, you, what's her name? What the fuck is her name? They broke up?

• 11:29Speaker 03

  I don't know, I never asked, and I didn't know if I should ask, or if that was weird for me to ask about.

• 11:35Speaker 04

  I don't know, just don't ask, 'cause you know how he be, just like taking shit the wrong way.

• 11:39Speaker 03

  Right, well that's what I'm saying, so, but he's been like, "Oh, like, I hope you're okay, like make sure you're eating, like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, asking about the puppy, like weird shit."

• 11:51Speaker 04

  What's wrong with him? He's so weird, I miss him.

• 11:55Speaker 03

  And he was like, uh, we were texting this morning, and he was like, "Good morning," I was like, "Good morning."

• 11:59Speaker 04

  Oh, he had that?

• 12:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, and he was like, "Um, don't you ever call Ken today?" I said, "Yeah, I do, I'm so excited, blah, blah, blah, blah." And then we were, I was gonna call him while we were on the phone, so he could say hi to you.

• 12:12Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 12:14Speaker 03

  And, um, what's it called? And he just didn't go through, I'm like, "I'm fucking so mad," I was like screaming and cussing, shit. I didn't even call him, we were texting, and I was like just cussing at, at him, and he was like, "It's gonna be okay." And I'm like, "You don't know me clearly, babe."

• 12:32Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's just like, well, I don't know why they would cancel that shit.

• 12:35Speaker 03

  I know, but I got a notification like two minutes before it started that it canceled. So it wasn't like canceled like right away.

• 12:42Speaker 04

  Yes, I know, I was literally out of my room, ready to get on the call, and then it just like disappeared, and it was like, "It's canceled." I'm like, "What?"

• 12:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, but I wanna know why.

• 12:51Speaker 04

  Oh, because security's been down all morning.

• 12:55Speaker 03

  Oh, he was sending me some messages to you?

• 12:59Speaker 04

  Oh, I, I can't even check messages. That's why I don't reply.

• 13:03Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, it's sending me some messages to you, I was, I was just like, "I love you, like, it'll be okay." Um, you can call me whenever.

• 13:12Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 13:13Speaker 03

  But yeah, he was like saying shit like that, and I was like laughing my dick off.

• 13:19Speaker 03

  And Power's like, he's- Power- Power's all jealous and shit, and obviously. And he's like, "Have you had a pass with this person before?" And I sure lied. I was just like, "No."

• 13:29Speaker 04

  Have you done what with this person?

• 13:30Speaker 03

  If- if I've had a pass with him before. Because there was text messages from like, a while ago, when we dated.

• 13:37Speaker 04

  Oh my gosh.

• 13:40Speaker 03

  So I was like, "No, no."

• 13:42Speaker 04

  What the fuck?

• 13:45Speaker 03

  But he's just been like texting me every day. And then he's like, "I have school, but I'll still try to text you." Like, "Girl, why not date him?"

• 13:51Speaker 04

  Did he shave his head?

• 13:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 13:54Speaker 04

  Oh my goodness, why did he do that?

• 13:56Speaker 03

  He's in the military.

• 13:58Speaker 04

  I don't care.

• 13:59Speaker 03

  He's in, um...

• 14:02Speaker 03

  The one that you fly planes with, I call it, the Navy.

• 14:04Speaker 04

  He flies the planes, or he's in the plane?

• 14:07Speaker 03

  He's- I don't know if he flies them or if he's in them. He's in the Navy, though.

• 14:11Speaker 04

  And you know, do you know, I- I don't know if you remember this, if we were just like, I told you or anything, but it was like, a little bit after the car accident. And Sammy was texting me. I just can't stop thinking about this shit. And Sammy was like, talking to me about like, how like, she was like, brought up how like, the Kendall situation.

• 14:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, they're all fucking- it's because she wants to be nosy and she wants to know everything, which is fine. Be nosy, but stop being a fucking fan, you weirdo.

• 14:37Speaker 04

  And that's the weird thing about it, too, is because when I was in like, juvie, I would call Rosie on free phone calls and Sammy would be in the car being like, "Oh, I hope like, oh, this and this and this," like, "Bitch, what the fuck?" Like...

• 14:48Speaker 03

  Rosie told me that.

• 14:52Speaker 04

  But then that just doesn't make- make sense on why Rosie deleted all of the pictures of me.

• 14:57Speaker 03

  What are you eating? I'm on chewing on something, can you help me?

• 15:01Speaker 04

  Are you talking to me?

• 15:03Speaker 03

  No, the fucking dog. I took him to the fucking ER yesterday and he's still fucking chewing on whatever the fuck he wants to, like, sass.

• 15:11Speaker 03

  And if you saw a picture of- of Flash's eye, you would probably tweet.

• 15:16Speaker 04

  Wait, what did you say?

• 15:17Speaker 03

  His eye yesterday.

• 15:20Speaker 04

  What happened with it?

• 15:22Speaker 03

  Uh, his eye was like, big and red. It was like, almost out of his eye.

• 15:30Speaker 03

  Wonder where you got that one from?

• 15:32Speaker 04

  What ends up happening?

• 15:34Speaker 03

  They just said that, they don't really know, they were trying to charge me like nine hundred dollars for an eye vision test and seven hundred dollars for an X-ray and like a hundred dollars per day, so a hundred dollars. They're trying to rack my bill up to be near like two thousand dollars now, but no.

• 15:51Speaker 04

  Hell no.

• 15:53Speaker 03

  So I've been feeding him chicken and white rice and he's getting a lot better.

• 16:02Speaker 03

  His eye's not as bad as yesterday.

• 16:04Speaker 04

  He probably just got some shit in it.

• 16:07Speaker 03

  Well, I honestly think it's his, his na- we're staying with Adely's Nana. Be careful, he might rip up your box, friend. Um, what was I saying? Oh, we're staying with Adely's Nana, so she has a dog, but it's like dirty.

• 16:23Speaker 04

  Wait, I can't understand you that well.

• 16:25Speaker 03

  I said Adely's Nana has a dog and it's like dirty.

• 16:31Speaker 04

  The dog is dirty?

• 16:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, Adely's Nana's dog.

• 16:36Speaker 04

  What?

• 16:38Speaker 03

  So I'm staying with my friend's Nana.

• 16:41Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 16:43Speaker 03

  And her dog is dirty as fuck.

• 16:46Speaker 04

  Oh, maybe he got some- why are you staying? Why aren't you at home?

• 16:49Speaker 03

  I got kicked out.

• 16:51Speaker 04

  Why?

• 16:52Speaker 03

  The, the dog.

• 16:54Speaker 04

  Hey.

• 16:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 16:59Speaker 04

  Why?

• 17:00Speaker 03

  Cause of flash.

• 17:03Speaker 04

  Cause it sheds?

• 17:05Speaker 03

  No, because they didn't want flash to be at the house.

• 17:09Speaker 04

  Wait, you guys gotta get an apartment or some shit?

• 17:13Speaker 03

  I know, we're- he's been looking for everything, it's so expensive right now.

• 17:17Speaker 04

  What does Tyler be doing for work?

• 17:20Speaker 03

  He does Window Nation, um, in the windows, like he does the warehouse.

• 17:25Speaker 04

  Hold on one second, hold on.

• 17:26Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 17:27Speaker 04

  What happened?

• 17:33Speaker 04

  Wait, what? She you? She asked you if you wanna switch bodies?

• 17:39Speaker 04

  If I wanna switch bodies with her?

• 17:46Speaker 04

  What? Man, guess what this bitch just told my friend in here?

• 17:50Speaker 03

  What?

• 17:51Speaker 04

  She points at, she told my friend to come to the door and she's like, "When, when I die and she dies, I'm gonna come back as her."

• 18:00Speaker 04

  And she's gonna come back as me. Hell, no. This bitch is like, she's the one that like screamed that night and shit.

• 18:06Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 18:09Speaker 03

  I'm gonna probably come down there tonight, once it gets dark.

• 18:13Speaker 04

  Oh, you are? I'll be dying tonight.

• 18:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'll come down, what? I don't know, what time, what time do you work?

• 18:22Speaker 04

  Yell at me, bitch. What's up?

• 18:25Speaker 03

  Fucking, Damian's like, "I wanna go, I wanna go." I'm like, "Bro, you don't work till it..."

• 18:30Speaker 04

  Yeah, y'all can all come.

• 18:32Speaker 03

  Well, he works tonight. He's not trying to go till late.

• 18:37Speaker 03

  Damian, if you get home at eight thirty, I'll take you at eight thirty, but I'm not waiting till ten.

• 18:41Speaker 04

  Oh, wait, hold up. I have a video call at, hold on, hold on. Seven thirty and eight, I think.

• 18:47Speaker 03

  With who?

• 18:48Speaker 04

  My mom.

• 18:49Speaker 03

  Uh, mom.

• 18:51Speaker 04

  So you can go to my house and do video call with my mom if you want. And then I'm gonna be done with my video call.

• 18:56Speaker 03

  I know, I just don't wanna take her time.

• 18:58Speaker 04

  Well, it's gonna be, you, it's, I, I wanna talk to you too, but I'm saying, I'll see you outside and shit. And the later you come, at eight thirty, it'll probably be dark.

• 19:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, so what I can do is I'll text the mom, see if I can come over there for like, a little bit, say hi to you on the phone and whatever, and then I'll grab Damian and come down.

• 19:17Speaker 04

  Leave me that.

• 19:19Speaker 04

  Alright. I got you.

• 19:25Speaker 04

  Okay. It's three twenty.

• 19:29Speaker 04

  Man, Faye, I can't, I, like, if you were here, if you were here, that's all I have to say. If you were here.

• 19:36Speaker 03

  Definitely, you know I would do good.

• 19:38Speaker 04

  Faye, you would be like fighting, I feel like.

• 19:41Speaker 03

  No, I definitely would. I'd be like, shut the fuck up!

• 19:44Speaker 04

  I'd be like, shut the fuck up too and shit, but you gotta learn how to play Spades. Do you know how to play Spades?

• 19:48Speaker 03

  No.

• 19:49Speaker 04

  Oh my god, it's so fun. I love Spades. Oh my god, she's just staring at me. I, I'm scared of her. She told the staff that like, she was like, she's trying to kill me. I'm like, what, me? Like...

• 20:00Speaker 03

  Well, what the fuck?

• 20:02Speaker 04

  Yeah, she said, I think, she, she, she's like, stop trying to kill me. Like, she's like, she's keep separate from others. So she has to like stay in her room all alone. Like, she's not allowed to like come out with us. Uh, cause I'm general population.

• 20:13Speaker 03

  Right.

• 20:15Speaker 03

  And you'll have to have your friends come wave too.

• 20:18Speaker 04

  What'd you say?

• 20:19Speaker 03

  Said you'll have to have your friends come wave too when I get there.

• 20:22Speaker 04

  Oh, I will also. If you wanna take a picture of me, turn your flash on like a couple times, so I know to like pose or like, I'll bang it loud as fuck for you, like if you're taking a video or some shit.

• 20:32Speaker 03

  Okay, I'll turn, I'll flash it like five times.

• 20:35Speaker 04

  And then you don't, but yeah, can you see me in the window if you do flash?

• 20:39Speaker 03

  Um...

• 20:40Speaker 04

  I mean, if you, if I, if it's dark out, you can see me in the window?

• 20:43Speaker 03

  Well, the last time we went, um, we saw you in that window with the light, but we can't see you in your room.

• 20:51Speaker 04

  Really?

• 20:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 20:53Speaker 04

  Oh my god, that's annoying. It's like, oh, it was so kind, it was still light out at that time.

• 20:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, so, maybe, well, cause you remember, we were looking at the wrong fucking building for a while?

• 21:05Speaker 04

  Yeah, do you want me to call you back or what?

• 21:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, you can if you want.

• 21:09Speaker 04

  Alright, I'mma call you back again, but if it, if I hang up while you're putting in information, that means we had to go in our room for med pass. And I'mma call you again later tonight, probably, next time I come out, if I come out again, but...

• 21:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, just call me whenever.

• 21:22Speaker 04

  I'mma, I'mma tell my mom to tell you some shit when I come to the window, but I'm about to hang up and call you back right now.

• 21:26Speaker 03

  Okay, bye, love you.

• 21:27Speaker 04

  I love you, girl. Hold up, I'm calling you back, right?

• 21:30Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 21:30Speaker 04

  Let me get this paper out my fucking titties. Oh my goodness. Alright, I'm calling you back now. Bye, girl.

• 21:36Speaker 03

  Okay, bye.

• 21:37Speaker 04

  Bye.

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• 22:33Speaker 02

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• 22:44Speaker 04

  No, it was supposed to be back when this mess got up. Who messed it up?

• 22:59Speaker 04

  I didn't see the name until you pointed it out.

• 23:01Speaker 02

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• 23:05Speaker 04

  You're a whole bit, you're, ooh, that looked like it hurt. I just...

• 23:11Speaker 04

  Ma'am?

• 23:16Speaker 04

  Oh, I didn't see that one. What does that say?

• 23:20Speaker 04

  Bitch, I don't know. I can't read cursive. You got a coochie tattoo? What the... I don't know. I cannot read cursive. I mean, we're just going over this.

• 23:30Speaker 02

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• 23:34Speaker 04

  Space?

• 23:37Speaker 06

  No, it's actually, it was space, but they made, uh, R before the R and then E.

• 23:44Speaker 04

  That's...

• 23:48Speaker 04

  I don't even know what tattooed on you.

• 23:52Speaker 04

  Was you drunk and high or something like, "Oh, forget the, the risk and take the fall. It's what you want, work it all."

• 23:58Speaker 02

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• 24:01Speaker 04

  Look at you, little quote girl with all your little tats and shit.

• 24:08Speaker 04

  Hmm, what's that?

• 24:13Speaker 02

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• 24:30Speaker 02

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• 24:35Speaker 03

  Hello?

• 24:35Speaker 04

  Faith?

• 24:36Speaker 03

  Hi, baby.

• 24:38Speaker 04

  Hey, girl!

• 24:39Speaker 03

  Sorry, it took me forever to put the card number in. I'm like, what the fuck is it asking me?

• 24:43Speaker 04

  Wait, hold up, it's all robotic and shit.

• 24:45Speaker 03

  Why?

• 24:47Speaker 04

  I don't know.

• 24:50Speaker 03

  What's the fuck?

• 24:50Speaker 04

  Hold up. You know, I can deal with it though. I can deal with it though, I know what you're saying.

• 24:55Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 24:57Speaker 04

  But, um-

• 24:57Speaker 03

  I said, you sound fine for me.

• 24:59Speaker 04

  I sound fine?

• 25:01Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 25:02Speaker 04

  Tell me why the video call didn't work because they- Because they put it on that terminal that doesn't work and they wouldn't get it switched over because the invitation left. But if you schedule it, you can reschedule it for tomorrow and I'm gonna figure out early in the day. If you can't, just reschedule it for another day. I'm gonna make sure it's on the other terminal. I was really so excited to talk to you and then it just got all fucked up and I was so upset.

• 25:24Speaker 03

  Well, do you know that we have another one tomorrow morning anyway?

• 25:27Speaker 04

  What'd you say?

• 25:28Speaker 03

  We have another one tomorrow morning.

• 25:31Speaker 04

  I don't know nothing.

• 25:32Speaker 03

  We have one tomorrow morning. I have one scheduled with you tomorrow morning at like 10:30.

• 25:36Speaker 04

  Wait, hold up, you- say it again, slow though, because like it's glitchy.

• 25:40Speaker 03

  We have a call tomorrow morning at 10:30.

• 25:43Speaker 04

  I have one tomorrow?

• 25:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, with me.

• 25:46Speaker 04

  Oh, ugh!

• 25:48Speaker 03

  At 10:30 in the morning.

• 25:50Speaker 04

  Bet.

• 25:51Speaker 03

  Let me see if I can reschedule it.

• 25:54Speaker 04

  Yes, reschedule it because I don't want you to lose your money and we can do that one at night if you want. But I would make sure they know I got a call at 10:30 in the morning tomorrow.

• 26:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, hold on, let me-

• 26:06Speaker 03

  Can you hear me?

• 26:07Speaker 04

  Yeah, I've been... What'd you say?

• 26:10Speaker 03

  Okay, my phone's just tripping below me desk, so I'll have to reschedule when I get off the phone with you.

• 26:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think it's like just this phone or some shit, like these phones are shitty as fuck.

• 26:20Speaker 03

  I'm at the emergency vet with Flash right now.

• 26:23Speaker 04

  You're on the emerg- you're in the emergency room?

• 26:25Speaker 03

  With- at the vet, emergency vet with Flash.

• 26:30Speaker 04

  Hold up, say it again, I'm so sorry, I feel bad.

• 26:33Speaker 03

  No, you're fine. I'm at the emergency vet with Flash.

• 26:37Speaker 04

  Wait, why? What happened?

• 26:40Speaker 03

  He's- he's throwing up and his eyes like really, really, really swollen.

• 26:45Speaker 04

  Oh my god, your baby- the baby dog?

• 26:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 26:50Speaker 04

  What'd you say?

• 26:50Speaker 03

  He just got- yeah, he just got stiff shoved up his ass.

• 26:54Speaker 04

  I feel so bad.

• 26:57Speaker 04

  Oh my goodness.

• 27:00Speaker 04

  Yeah, I just don't even, I don't know, it's been crazy in here, they- like, I don't even know.

• 27:07Speaker 03

  Why? What's going on?

• 27:09Speaker 04

  Well, every- like, there's just like- like, it's just like crazy up here, like, this is just like the psych ward floor that they have me on.

• 27:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, I heard that, but I guess it's for protection, so that's good.

• 27:21Speaker 04

  No, I need to get moved off this floor, I- I like, I think I'm getting moved off this floor on, um, on, um, Sunday, hopefully, and then Monday for court, um... I don't know, if I sh- I might be leaving here soon, headed to Marysville, but then I'm gonna be two hours away from all you guys.

• 27:37Speaker 03

  I don't give a fuck, I'll drive two hours and you know that's it.

• 27:40Speaker 04

  I'm gonna be real sad, though, like, I don't like wanna be so far from you guys, and like, I'm just so sad that like, they even- like, court went like the opposite of what I thought it was gonna go, like, I thought they were gonna see the truth, and then it just got fucked up.

• 27:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, but everything will work itself out and shit, you know what I'm saying? There's a huge group chat and everyone is-

• 27:59Speaker 04

  What'd you say?

• 28:00Speaker 03

  There's a huge group chat for you.

• 28:01Speaker 04

  You already know.

• 28:04Speaker 03

  And we're all talking about you right now.

• 28:06Speaker 04

  What'd you say?

• 28:08Speaker 03

  There's a group chat your mom made of like hella people. There's fifteen people on this group chat all rooting for you.

• 28:13Speaker 04

  Oh, I love, that's like all my like people, like Faith though, like I was just like, I was just thinking I was like Faith. You are really like the person who's riding for me the hardest and I just like wish we hung out like every single day when I was home. Like I wish I like hung out with you more like every single day like.

• 28:28Speaker 03

  It's okay though. We were both on different paths and like I was working twenty-four seven. It's not your fault.

• 28:33Speaker 04

  That's just how we always were though. Like we would be doing our own thing then come together and just be like, like sisters. Like you're like, like I'll tell Kendra this, like, like you're, you're literally not even my best friend. Like you're like my sister. Like you're, you're like, like not even on that level as best friends. Like you are like family, like for real, like.

• 28:50Speaker 03

  Were you friends with Sammy Abub?

• 28:53Speaker 04

  With who?

• 28:54Speaker 03

  Sammy Abub.

• 28:56Speaker 04

  Abub?

• 28:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think that's her last name.

• 28:59Speaker 04

  I, why? She wants my shit?

• 29:02Speaker 03

  No, Sammy was posting about you, but she was just hanging out with Rosie.

• 29:07Speaker 04

  Oh, Sammy?

• 29:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 29:10Speaker 04

  She kinda like said some weird shit to me after the car accident, but then she's like, would like root for me. So I don't know. You could give her my shit if you want, but also I feel like she's.

• 29:18Speaker 03

  No, no, no, no, no. She posted on, on Instagram saying yup.

• 29:24Speaker 04

  Wait, she posted the link to sign up?

• 29:26Speaker 03

  No, she posted the link to like whatever the news posted and captioned it yup. Like why you pee?

• 29:33Speaker 04

  She said like yes, like it was good that I got convicted?

• 29:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 29:37Speaker 04

  What the fuck?

• 29:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, so just watch what she say to Rosie because I'm pretty sure that they're still cool.

• 29:43Speaker 04

  Okay, yeah, tell my mom that shit. That's weird as fuck. I knew I had a, I knew I had a weird ass feeling about Rosie. That's weird as fuck. Sammy posted the conviction and said yes with like exclamation marks?

• 29:54Speaker 03

  No, she just thought, why you pee, like yup.

• 29:59Speaker 04

  What the fuck is wrong with her weird ass?

• 30:01Speaker 03

  But I sent it to your mom and I've been, I've been talking to your mom like every fucking day, Ken.

• 30:07Speaker 04

  I'm so weirded out by that shit. I'm about to like...

• 30:11Speaker 04

  Cause Rosie just sent me a long ass like message being like, "Yes, like you can live with me and Nina when you come home. Like, we miss you and love you so much." Like, all this shit.

• 30:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, I just feel like that's weird though because what, your last day of court, um, she called me and was like, "Hey, what are you doing?" And I'm like, "I'm, uh, I'm downtown. Like, what's up?" She's like, "Oh, I was trying to figure out if you were, um, going to court today." I'm like, "Yeah, I'm downtown. Like, what's up?" She's like, "I was just gonna try to see if I could get a ride with you, since I'm scared of driving Cleveland by myself, so I guess I'm not gonna go."

• 30:44Speaker 04

  That's what Rosie said?

• 30:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, but like-

• 30:47Speaker 04

  That's so weird.

• 30:49Speaker 03

  Rosie don't like me and was just beefing with me about Jada.

• 30:53Speaker 04

  Wait, Rosie doesn't like you because you're beefing with Jada? Is that what you said?

• 30:57Speaker 03

  Kind of. Basically, Jada told me that Baba hit on her, and I told Rosie, and then Rosie went to Jada, and Jada tried to say it like I was lying and shit.

• 31:07Speaker 04

  What the fuck?

• 31:09Speaker 03

  And I was like, "You know what, yo? I don't got time for this petty ass drama. I guess digger fish to fucking fry."

• 31:15Speaker 04

  That's so, I'm weirded the fuck out by that shit. Like, I'm just weirded about that Sammy shit. Like, fuck anyone who's posting about me, like, Face. Like, you need to like, be like, post and be in like, like, make people know and see the truth and shit, like-

• 31:27Speaker 03

  I know, baby. I have been, and you can literally ask anyone. Did your cousin Jacob text you, like, through the app?

• 31:33Speaker 04

  Wait, hold up. You keep glitching out. What'd you say?

• 31:36Speaker 03

  Did your cousin Jacob text you through the app?

• 31:39Speaker 04

  She didn't text me yet, but he said he, like, you, I'm wait, he like, signed up. I just didn't get a message yet.

• 31:45Speaker 03

  He, we were, he texted me and was like, "Thank you for being there for my family. I appreciate it. Yada, yada, yada." I'm like, "Yeah, um, you can text Kenz." And I, I showed him how to sign up and like, text you.

• 31:58Speaker 04

  I miss him. I just miss you guys so much. Like, I just, see, this is like where I don't know, like, who to trust and shit. Like, I'm weirded out by Rosie. Like, like, I've been weirded out by Rosie for so long, because she took down all the pictures of me on her Instagram. Like, why did you do that? That's weird.

• 32:12Speaker 03

  I know, and I said that to your mom, and I told your mom, I said, "Listen, I don't wanna hurt Kenz's feelings, but I will always do the best to tell Kenz, like, listen, I don't think they're good for you." Whether she listens to me or not, it's her decision, but like, I've been told, Natalie, I don't fuck with Rosie.

• 32:28Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's like I'm weirded, I just am weirded out by like her, like I don't know, I'm about to just like keep me distanced with her.

• 32:34Speaker 03

  Just cause I just, I just don't like the fact that she's besties with Sammy and all that shit like.

• 32:40Speaker 04

  And how can you be, yeah, no.

• 32:41Speaker 03

  You know what I'm saying, like how can you be besties with the one that's posting on your other friend's bio?

• 32:45Speaker 04

  Honestly, you should text her for me and be like, Kenzie thinks it's weird that you're friends with Sammy, it's like Sammy gonna like, wanna just like.

• 32:51Speaker 03

  Well, I was gonna get your permission to text her and just be like, hey, like what's going on with you and Sammy, like are you still friends?

• 32:56Speaker 04

  Yes, I'm dead to do that. Yes, get the tea and be like, how are you gonna be cool with Sammy when this, I don't, I don't really, and I will, cause I could drop her in a second. And I've been real cool with Phil too, like Phil, like the gay one.

• 33:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, Phil's pretty cool, but you know about Phil and them are beefing?

• 33:11Speaker 04

  What'd you say?

• 33:11Speaker 03

  But they were, Phil and Nina and them are beefing for a minute.

• 33:17Speaker 04

  I don't know, Phil's been ride or die for me. Who all has Free Kenzie in their Instagram bio? Like who is like being scared to post that? Cause like if you're scared to like, like be free Kenzie then.

• 33:26Speaker 03

  I have no clue, I haven't, I haven't even been on social media, like I literally can't do it because I called your mom the other day and I was like, I swear to God, like I'm, I was popping off with my mouth. You know how I pop off with my mouth? And your mom was like, babe, you can't say anything because it can jeopardize the trial and it can jeopardize this.

• 33:43Speaker 04

  Yes, I know, that's what. That's what my mom's been saying too.

• 33:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, like I've just been staying off all social media, I can't do it. I, it makes me like mad, like I start to shake mad.

• 33:57Speaker 04

  That's just like so weird, I don't know. Oh, I think we have to go in our room right now. I'm, I'm about to, I'm about to pretend I didn't hear, but I think we have to go in our room. But I'mma call you again tomorrow. Do you, do you work tomorrow?

• 34:08Speaker 03

  No, you can call me all day tomorrow, but we have that, we have that.

• 34:10Speaker 04

  Oh yeah, that video call, we about to get to, we about to talk tomorrow on the video call, like I'm about to like, we about to get the, get going work, cause I can, it's like, we didn't have a lot of time.

• 34:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, and I'll have, so I'm gonna FaceTime you, I'm FaceTiming you on my tablet so I can use my phone to show you everyone's Instagram posts.

• 34:24Speaker 04

  Yes, that.

• 34:25Speaker 03

  And to show you everything.

• 34:28Speaker 04

  Did you, did you say we gotta go in our room? Oh, okay Faith. Yeah, I just had to fake pretend that. I love you so much, girl. I can't wait to talk to you at 10 o'clock tomorrow. Book as many video calls as you can, girl. I love you so much. Tell everyone to make video calls with me. I love you so, so much, girl.

• 34:42Speaker 03

  I love you, baby. Say something, okay?

• 34:44Speaker 04

  Bye Faith, love you, girl. I'll talk to you later. Goodnight, girl. Bye, love you so much. Bye. Wait, tell my mama I said I love her too. But I love you so much, babe. Bye. Love you, girl.

• 34:53Speaker 03

  Bye, love you.

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• 36:09Speaker 02

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• 36:12Speaker 03

  Sydney, come here.

• 36:13Speaker 02

  An incarcerated individual at Cuyahoga County Corrections Center.

• 36:21Speaker 02

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• 37:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, but we had to hang up to get the call.

• 37:18Speaker 04

  Man, y'all... It is coming, it's a joke. Hold on, hold on. Hold on, alright, what'd you say?

• 37:28Speaker 03

  Hold on.

• 37:31Speaker 04

  You said, "Hold on"?

• 37:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, sorry. Jacob texted me, I said, "Do you want me to merge so he can call you for a second"?

• 37:38Speaker 04

  What did you say?

• 37:40Speaker 03

  What? Jacob texted me and I'm seeing if he wants me to merge so he can say hi to you.

• 37:47Speaker 04

  Oh, my goodness.

• 37:50Speaker 03

  So, he texted me, I'm trying to figure it out.

• 37:56Speaker 04

  Yeah, I can't believe that shit.

• 37:59Speaker 03

  He said, he said he can't. He said he says hi and he can't send you his love.

• 38:07Speaker 04

  Tell him I said I love him and I miss him.

• 38:13Speaker 04

  I miss him so much.

• 38:19Speaker 03

  What?

• 38:21Speaker 03

  I- I'm- I'm gonna have to bring Brooklyn to soccer practice. Yeah, so hurry up. Like now. Um.

• 38:31Speaker 03

  Can you grab- can you grab a flash so I can get the call and march to my car?

• 38:36Speaker 03

  Uh-uh, that's my shirt. I'm just like an Uber, Ken.

• 38:40Speaker 04

  What'd you say?

• 38:42Speaker 03

  I'm Damien Uber, I guess.

• 38:43Speaker 04

  What the fuck, is he gonna give you some gas money or what?

• 38:46Speaker 03

  I'm gonna make him.

• 38:49Speaker 04

  As he should.

• 38:51Speaker 03

  Do you know where his leash is?

• 38:55Speaker 03

  What the fuck?

• 39:00Speaker 03

  I can't, I hate people. Um. What's it called though? He- but he's- he's heading to class today, so I wasn't sure if he was gonna be able to or not.

• 39:10Speaker 04

  Do you- do you remember when- I remember like when we were having the one sleepover so long ago and Damien was just like so little, like Damien just like- Damien has like a- like a big ass like man voice now, like he just is like not a little boy anymore, like it's just so weird, like.

• 39:22Speaker 03

  Well, if you ever see him in person, you'd be like, what the fuck?

• 39:26Speaker 04

  I remember when he was all little and chubby and shit and we were just like, like she had his little room.

• 39:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, he's not- he's not chubby anymore.

• 39:33Speaker 04

  I know, I- like, it's just so weird, like.

• 39:36Speaker 03

  You. You got his leash?

• 39:43Speaker 03

  Can you look, I gotta go get this to my car.

• 39:46Speaker 03

  Um.

• 39:48Speaker 03

  Huh?

• 39:50Speaker 03

  I fucking can't with these things. He's fucking retarded. Um. What's it called though? I don't know, I just feel like, I feel like I'm losing weight.

• 40:03Speaker 04

  Really, but you- have you been eating and shit?

• 40:05Speaker 03

  I haven't been eating as much as I normally do, I've been like acting, but it's like I'm not hungry.

• 40:12Speaker 04

  I haven't been eating a lot either, it's been like hard to get food here and shit, like I'd be hungry a lot here.

• 40:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, I- I'm just like not hungry.

• 40:21Speaker 04

  Like, like yesterday, I ate a noodle out of like a chip bag.

• 40:26Speaker 03

  You said what? Sorry, you're next to my car.

• 40:29Speaker 04

  I ate noodles out of a chip bag.

• 40:32Speaker 03

  Out of a chip bag?

• 40:33Speaker 04

  Yes, like I had to make them in a chip bag from my sink. Like it was like some jail ass shit.

• 40:38Speaker 03

  Oh my god, have you learned how to make a break?

• 40:41Speaker 04

  No, not yet.

• 40:43Speaker 03

  You need to, cause when you come out, I want you to make one.

• 40:47Speaker 03

  They're like so fucking good.

• 40:49Speaker 04

  You had one before?

• 40:51Speaker 03

  No, I just want to fucking good.

• 40:53Speaker 04

  What'd you say?

• 40:55Speaker 03

  I said, no, they just look so fucking good.

• 40:57Speaker 04

  Man, I'ma find someone in here who know how to make it. I'ma ask. I'ma ask.

• 41:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, for real though, cause I wanna try it.

• 41:04Speaker 04

  It's like with the noodles and the chips and shit and all this shit mixed together. Oh my god. I have-

• 41:08Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 41:09Speaker 04

  I got commissary coming tomorrow and I got like heli candy. I have a hot pickle coming. I have- have you ever had shebangs?

• 41:15Speaker 03

  No.

• 41:17Speaker 04

  Hey, shebangs are good as fuck. They're a jail chip.

• 41:22Speaker 03

  Are they really?

• 41:23Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm. Oh, you see, I had- I had my mom change my Instagram name and change my bio and shit.

• 41:31Speaker 03

  I didn't look at your bio. I haven't been on Instagram. I've seen that it- cause she texted the group chat and said, hey, just so everyone knows, her Instagram name is different.

• 41:41Speaker 04

  Yes, because I don't like when you look it up. Like, I don't know if you know this, but like, when I was at the other jail, I used to go on Instagram all the time and shit. And log into Instagram.

• 41:50Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 41:51Speaker 04

  I- I'll tell you when I come home. But, um, my mom knows. You could tell my mom- you could ask my mom. And I would take pictures and send them to like cer- like certain people and shit.

• 42:02Speaker 03

  I think Rosie sent you one picture of me and her.

• 42:07Speaker 03

  She said- she thought, look at Ken, but I said, how the fuck did you get that?

• 42:12Speaker 03

  And she's like, I'm not allowed to tell, I promise. I'm like, bitch, how?

• 42:17Speaker 04

  I should've sent you some shit, but yeah, I was like, bitch, hey, it's me and shit. But, yeah.

• 42:23Speaker 03

  I thought that would freak me out, I'm like, you never gonna have fun with me.

• 42:27Speaker 04

  But like, ask my mom to send you some of the ones that I sent her. But yeah, I would like- I- so I like was seeing my Instagram and shit and stuff. Like I was seeing what- that's how I know Rosie deleted all the pictures of me and shit.

• 42:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, I'm not gonna be here too, but...

• 42:41Speaker 04

  That's weird as fuck.

• 42:43Speaker 03

  Who knows? I mean, like, they're all fucking... I've just a lot of these people, like, want any friends with you, but they don't.

• 42:48Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's just like, pick it. If you're a real one, Tenzin, or you're a fake one.

• 42:53Speaker 03

  Well, and I told Natalie, I was like, "Mom, I'm not gonna be here."

• 42:57Speaker 04

  I'm getting off after this one, so you can just have the phone after I get off.

• 43:01Speaker 03

  Who's that?

• 43:03Speaker 04

  I'm not, I'm not, after this phone call, I'm, um, I'm gonna be done, so you can get on after this one.

• 43:08Speaker 03

  Is that one of your friends?

• 43:09Speaker 04

  No, I'm gonna tell you in a second, but, yeah.

• 43:12Speaker 03

  Uh?

• 43:15Speaker 04

  Uh.

• 43:16Speaker 03

  What's the...

• 43:16Speaker 04

  She's trying to get...

• 43:17Speaker 03

  What's the phone call?

• 43:18Speaker 04

  She's trying to get me to, like, do a call for her.

• 43:21Speaker 03

  No.

• 43:22Speaker 04

  And I'm like, "No." Like, she'd just be trying to ask me for snacks and shit all the time, like, "Girl, I don't got shit, like, why doesn't, like, get away from me?" Like, she'd be rolling the fuck out of me.

• 43:30Speaker 03

  My new thing is I bark at these dudes.

• 43:33Speaker 04

  What'd you say?

• 43:34Speaker 03

  My new thing is I bark at these dudes.

• 43:37Speaker 04

  I can't understand you. Every time I said, "Your new thing is what?"

• 43:41Speaker 03

  I... What?

• 43:43Speaker 04

  I can't...

• 43:43Speaker 06

  She said, "Her new thing is she's gonna bark at these dudes."

• 43:48Speaker 04

  I still can't understand it. I don't know why.

• 43:52Speaker 04

  Uh, it's just like, it's like, when it's on the phone, it's like, really hard to understand.

• 43:57Speaker 03

  No, it's not. I'll, I'll text it.

• 44:00Speaker 04

  Yes, you gotta tell me what's up, like, what you been doing and shit, like, what's going on?

• 44:04Speaker 03

  Really, I got a new job and then quit.

• 44:09Speaker 04

  Your what?

• 44:10Speaker 03

  I got a new job and then quit.

• 44:13Speaker 04

  Oh, I heard about Charlotte Russe.

• 44:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 44:16Speaker 04

  Why'd you quit?

• 44:18Speaker 03

  Because they were trying to, like, do some fuck shit. Like, they were trying to hire somebody for my position and make me clean them and then fire me.

• 44:27Speaker 04

  Bitch, what the fuck?

• 44:29Speaker 03

  Right, right, right. That's what I'm fucking saying. I'm like, "I'm not doing that."

• 44:34Speaker 04

  And then you just quit?

• 44:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, I was like, "Fuck you," and I left the key under the...

• 44:39Speaker 04

  What was your job?

• 44:41Speaker 03

  I was a prom marketer.

• 44:43Speaker 04

  Oh, what the fuck?

• 44:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 44:48Speaker 04

  That's so weird that they would do that.

• 44:50Speaker 03

  They're weird, like that company's weird as fuck.

• 44:54Speaker 04

  And then, are you working at Claire's again, or no? Like, when did you even quit Claire's? That's where I'm at.

• 44:58Speaker 03

  I, I didn't quit Claire's, I was just, um, part-time, but I went back so that I could have some kind of income. But I'm looking for another job.

• 45:10Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 45:12Speaker 03

  Your mom told me to go work at London.

• 45:15Speaker 04

  At where?

• 45:16Speaker 03

  London.

• 45:17Speaker 04

  Oh my god, you would love that. Yes, you should work there.

• 45:20Speaker 03

  I have to call them.

• 45:22Speaker 04

  Bless you. Bless you. Crap.

• 45:26Speaker 03

  Fuck, that hurts, huh? But I have to call them because they don't have anything online, so fuck.

• 45:34Speaker 04

  Where are you taking Damien?

• 45:36Speaker 03

  Work.

• 45:37Speaker 04

  Where does he work?

• 45:39Speaker 03

  With my mom.

• 45:41Speaker 04

  He has a little job, that's, what, your mom works at what, Piazza or some shit? What is it?

• 45:46Speaker 03

  The Maskey's.

• 45:47Speaker 04

  Oh, so I knew it was like some like restaurant or some shit.

• 45:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's that food store.

• 45:54Speaker 04

  Oh. Yeah, when I go home, I'm, I think I'm gonna get a job.

• 45:59Speaker 03

  Do it. It, it'll keep your mind straight, to be honest. That's why I have mine, like, I really feel like I don't really need one. Like, however, it's probably payable for our bills, but I keep my mind, I can, like, keep, keep, like, grounded, if that makes sense.

• 46:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, I wanna, um, be like either a social media manager, or I'm gonna be like a life coach, or I'm gonna keep going to school to be a nutritionist, and like, I wanna help people eat healthy.

• 46:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, do that. I'll be your first client. I'll stop eating McChicken's for you.

• 46:29Speaker 04

  Babe, I will do, I will make you a meal plan for free. Fuck, you don't have to pay me shit, because you did, or you... You're like family.

• 46:37Speaker 03

  I'll stop eating the McChicken's for you.

• 46:38Speaker 04

  Are you for real?

• 46:40Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 46:42Speaker 04

  Oh my goodness, I remember. You'd be like, "Can we please stop it, because I'm like, babe, like, no," and you're like, you're like, "Please."

• 46:48Speaker 03

  I just want a McChicken!

• 46:50Speaker 04

  I don't remember that day. I remember, we went to the hair store, the beauty store. And, and you, I had to get you a fucking McChicken, a McChicken bitch. (laughing)

• 47:02Speaker 03

  But I'll stop eating them for you. I'll stop eating healthy, but I've been going to Allison's and shit.

• 47:09Speaker 04

  Oh my god, do you talk to her and shit?

• 47:11Speaker 03

  I don't really talk to her, I never do, I always pick up one other thing that works there.

• 47:15Speaker 04

  You know Sam? He's like, he's like kinda strong looking, he has like, I don't know, there's a boy named Sam that works there, I love Sam, like, he's cool as fuck, like.

• 47:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, I see, I know him.

• 47:26Speaker 04

  Oh yeah, I fuck with Sam, yeah, he, he reaches out to my mom all the time, like, he's team Kenzie as fuck, like.

• 47:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, he like recognized me and I'm like, who the fuck is this? Cause he's like, oh my god, are you Steve? And I'm like, who the fuck are you?

• 47:41Speaker 04

  Yes, and apparently like Sam dated Audrey and I was like, are you for real? And he was like, yes, like you yelled at me one time. And I was like, I yelled at you? And he's like, yes, you dogged me in school one time. I'm like, I don't remember that. And I was like, well, I'm sorry, I don't like Audrey anymore, so we can be friends.

• 47:55Speaker 03

  Right. No, but he used to be, well, he, like, I didn't recognize him because of what he looks like now, but he used to be a little bit more chubby.

• 48:03Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think he did, he's really like strong right now and he eats like really fucking healthy, cause he almost died and shit, like.

• 48:11Speaker 03

  From the McChicken?

• 48:13Speaker 04

  I don't know what the fuck he was eating, he had to go to hospital.

• 48:17Speaker 03

  Maybe it was too many McChicken.

• 48:19Speaker 04

  Man.

• 48:22Speaker 03

  I keep telling everybody, I'm like, everybody, every time I think of Sam, I just eat my McChicken.

• 48:26Speaker 04

  Why would you think of me? I don't want to be thought of that. When I get out of here though, oh, oh my god, guess what I got for my birthday when I was in jail?

• 48:34Speaker 03

  What?

• 48:35Speaker 04

  I asked for McDonald's pancakes.

• 48:37Speaker 03

  (laughing) And they give them to you?

• 48:40Speaker 04

  Oh yeah, I got hella shit for my birthday. I got big ass Takis, big ass, like, I, I don't eat organic, like, in jail, like, it's impossible. And I don't eat healthy at all, like, I eat noodles, chips, Frito, I eat everything.

• 48:50Speaker 03

  Oh, I'm so excited. It's like you're me.

• 48:55Speaker 04

  When I get out of here, I'm going back to eating healthy though, but for now, and I, do you know how much I weigh right now?

• 49:02Speaker 03

  No, but you look healthy.

• 49:04Speaker 04

  I feel like I got fat, but I weigh a hundred twenty pounds, yes.

• 49:09Speaker 03

  That's not bad though, like that's a healthy weight, because you're trying to arm a little bit of weight, so... As long as you're still like working out, you should be good.

• 49:18Speaker 04

  I do work out, I- and like my butt got fat as fuck, like, I don't even know how to- Like, I can't even tell you, like, everyone always tell me my butt fat as fuck, and like, my butt was cute and little before, but now it's fat and cute, so like...

• 49:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, you got a fat ass and some titties though.

• 49:34Speaker 04

  I don't have no titties, they still- they gone, I wish mine looked like yours, but like, they gone, but...

• 49:40Speaker 03

  They really don't, like, in court, it doesn't look bad.

• 49:43Speaker 04

  Yes, like, they always be like, "Yeah, but when I go to-" you know, I'm gonna tell you that at a later time, after I get sentenced, but, um...

• 49:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, don't say anything that's not at work.

• 49:53Speaker 04

  (laughing)

• 49:54Speaker 03

  Because-

• 49:55Speaker 04

  I already know what- I'm already knowing they about to like, give me like death penalty or some shit, so...

• 50:00Speaker 03

  No they're not, I wish the motherfucker was, because I'm still free, so no they won't.

• 50:05Speaker 04

  And I am gonna talk in court too, for sure.

• 50:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 50:09Speaker 04

  Damn, I'm breaking out.

• 50:10Speaker 03

  But just don't- don't stress about it, you know what I'm saying, like, keep happy, don't tear mine, you don't want to look bad, things in the world.

• 50:17Speaker 04

  I'm just stressed out about like, wha- like, everyone just like posting about me, like, I just like hate that, like, because like, they're only posting about me because I can't say anything. That's the only reason.

• 50:25Speaker 03

  Right, so- so what's on post?

• 50:28Speaker 04

  I don't like that, like, it's just like, everyone just thinks I'm like some murderer, just because I'm charged with that, doesn't mean that that's what happened, that just means I got fucked, like...

• 50:36Speaker 03

  Right, but you- but you know what I'm saying, like, when you reach it online, that's what you think when you don't know shit.

• 50:42Speaker 04

  It's just so sad.

• 50:43Speaker 03

  So I just gotta like ignore it, you gotta ignore it, like, it's all bullshit, it's not gonna be like, you know, she's a- and the only people that really matter are the people that talk to you, that's talking to you, that's reaching out to you, that's calling, that's texting you, FaceTiming you, so like, shut up.

• 50:57Speaker 04

  Did I- did I tell you how there's a man texting me, that found me on the news, and he's texting me on the- the- You have one minute left. The jail shit?

• 51:06Speaker 03

  No, I did not know that.

• 51:08Speaker 04

  Okay, his name is Kevin Zimmerman. He's texting me, like, "I seen you on the news, like, I feel so bad for you, I think you would need a friend." And I just been talking to him back and forth. He said, "I don't know, I don't know how old he is and shit, like, he's throwing me off." "Oh, you want me to call you back, or you want this to be our last call?"

• 51:23Speaker 03

  Can you call me later tonight or not?

• 51:26Speaker 04

  Call you tonight?

• 51:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 51:28Speaker 04

  I can try to, yeah. I'll probably come out again.

• 51:31Speaker 03

  Call me tonight, 'cause I'm gonna have to be off at work.

• 51:34Speaker 04

  Alright, babe, I love you so much, girl.

• 51:37Speaker 03

  I love you, baby, keep your head up, okay?

• 51:40Speaker 04

  Alright, I love you so much, babe, I'll talk to y'all later, but, bye, guys. Love you.

• 51:44Speaker 03

  Bye.

• 51:44Speaker 04

  Bye. Love you.

• 51:45Speaker 02

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• 53:04Speaker 04

  Hello? Hi. Hey, girl, I miss you so much. Oh, my goodness. Oh, my god. You got moved? Yes, they moved me to the county. And how are you? Sh- shit, it is so horrible in here, like I, they put me on like floor seven, which is like the psych ward for, for protection. So like. God. Yes, and it's not, and I haven't really ate anything other than peanut butter in here that I get from court. So I've just been like eating peanut butter like every single day, cause like it has like good ingredients, I guess, and I don't know. Does it start now?

• 53:45Speaker 04

  It's so weird, like, I only have one pair of underwear, like I have to wash it myself in the sink. So like. Oh my god. Yes, and I am in my room for like fourteen hours, like a day, like I'm in my room so like much, like I only get to come out for like an hour and thirty minutes, like to make my calls and message people, and then I'm back in my room. Oh my god, and you were at the juvenile before, right? Yeah, it's so different here, like I don't like it, I wish I was back at the juvenile place, like I almost cried reading your message, like I needed to hear that, like I love it, like I miss talking to you, like our FaceTime calls and shit, like I miss you like so much.

• 54:26Speaker 04

  Girl, I miss you too, I think about you all the time, I'm like, I just wonder what she's doing or like how she's. Shit, I don't, I don't even got a book, like I do, but like I don't. You said what? Like I don't even got a book, like they're only like God books, and I don't wanna read God books, like I wanna read a book that's gonna like take my mind away from like being in jail, like. Oh my god, yeah, like a, like a story or something. Yes, and they just, yeah, that shit. So like, wait, like I know you're not allowed to talk about anything, um, but is anything progressing, like are you finding anything out? Have you, do you, you been watching like the news and shit, I don't know if like, it's like, it's probably different news for you and I'm Cali, but like. The news.

• 55:11Speaker 04

  Look, look me up, my whole trial. You're on the news? Girl, yes, this whole time I've been on the news. Are you? Yes. Why does it take three hours?

• 55:21Speaker 06

  It's like.

• 55:23Speaker 04

  It's so like embarrassing.

• 55:24Speaker 06

  Oh, like, they're trying to like make you seem like you're somebody that you're not.

• 55:30Speaker 04

  Yeah, there, it's, I just was in trial, like, all week, um, this week, Monday to Wednesday, I went Monday, no, Monday to Thursday, I was in trial. And then Monday is when they're gonna like decide if I'm guilty or not guilty, which like I just can't see.

• 55:41Speaker 06

  Monday?

• 55:43Speaker 04

  Yeah, I just can't see myself getting charged with like murder, with like, I just think that's like literally like the craziest thing.

• 55:49Speaker 06

  It's literally right here, I see your face.

• 55:53Speaker 04

  Yeah, I got that.

• 55:54Speaker 06

  Mackenzie.

• 55:57Speaker 04

  I gained hella weight.

• 56:00Speaker 06

  No, you're good, you don't, you're not, I'm, I'm gonna watch this later. Did you get hurt?

• 56:06Speaker 04

  Oh, my arm, it's from the car accident.

• 56:08Speaker 06

  Okay, okay, okay.

• 56:10Speaker 04

  Nah, no one ever like did anything to me while I was in jail, like, I haven't really been in a fight yet since I've been in jail.

• 56:16Speaker 06

  That's what I was like worried about.

• 56:18Speaker 04

  Oh, no. I've been real cool with everybody, in the juvenile facility, I was really cool with everybody, like, I was the oldest there, so everyone like fucked with me. But now I'm the youngest.

• 56:28Speaker 06

  Yeah, not the youngest, um, okay, I'm gonna have to watch all of this, well, it's only a few videos, but. Oh my gosh, Mackenzie, I've been just like wondering about you, like, seriously, just like thinking like what, you know, like, what is she doing?

• 56:45Speaker 04

  Shit, most of the time I'd be asleep, or I'd be like.

• 56:48Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 56:48Speaker 04

  Reading a bible book, like, to learn about God, cause like that's all I really have to do, so I might as well like not just like, just learn, cause like, I don't know.

• 56:57Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 56:58Speaker 04

  Or like I'm on the phone with my mom, cause like it's hard to call my friends sometimes, cause I get really sad, I just like miss them so much.

• 57:05Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah, your mom loved you so much, Mackenzie, like, she literally loved you with like every cell in her soul.

• 57:13Speaker 04

  I feel so bad for her, like, I feel like I just like fucked up her whole life with this shit, like, and I didn't even like do it on purpose, it's just like, I don't know. It's so sad.

• 57:24Speaker 06

  Your mom really, really loved you, um, oh my gosh, I wish. I could just like really talk to you right now, but I'm like scared to ask questions, um.

• 57:33Speaker 04

  Ask my mom, she will tell you everything. She knows the answers to everything.

• 57:36Speaker 06

  So Monday, you're gonna be like finding out?

• 57:40Speaker 04

  Yeah, if I'm guilty or not, but I'll, I'm gonna be on the news again, so you, you will see too.

• 57:45Speaker 06

  Holy shit.

• 57:46Speaker 04

  Monday at one o'clock, I'll be probably on the news again.

• 57:49Speaker 06

  Why are they so obsessed with your, with you? Like, you've gotten a fucking car accident. Like, I've gotten in three of those, like.

• 57:59Speaker 04

  It's probably just because like my boyfriend's last name is like Russo and like his family is just like trying to like do some weird shit. I don't know.

• 58:07Speaker 06

  His mom?

• 58:09Speaker 04

  Yeah, they don't fuck with me no more, even though like.

• 58:12Speaker 06

  No.

• 58:13Speaker 04

  After the car accident, I was like hanging out with his family and stuff still, but then they just like turned on me all of a sudden, so.

• 58:19Speaker 06

  The dad too?

• 58:20Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm. He'd be at court now and I'm like, damn, like, didn't we literally go to dinner together? Didn't I come to like Dom's birthday party after the crash? And I was with all you guys and then y'all all just wanna like turn on me all of a sudden. That's just like crazy to me, but they, they know I didn't do it on purpose. I just think that they're hurt. And they're, they don't know how to grieve properly, which I understand, like not everyone understands, but that's what I think.

• 58:43Speaker 06

  It's really just the fact that they had so many strings that they could pull to even get you arrested in the first place?

• 58:50Speaker 04

  Yes, like it is so, it's so like, it's just like, I would understand if they gave me like a normal charge, but like the charges that they gave me are like literally insane. Like, it's not, they're trying to make it seem something that it's not, like it's not like, I didn't do this on purpose, like I got in a car accident, I'm a third victim, like. And they just think that like, it was also like joke and like that I was like, oh yeah, I just wanted to do this on purpose to the love of my life and a friend, like that's, that's the most dumb, crazy thing I ever heard in my life, like.

• 59:20Speaker 06

  He was so lovely.

• 59:21Speaker 04

  Like you, every time I talked to you, I was with him, like, you, you know what I'm saying? Like, I would never hurt him, like, ever. And yeah, we argued, but like, what about the video? Like, man, they just tried to make it seem like I was like, this like abusive girlfriend to him. But they didn't show anything he did to me, which is just so easy.

• 59:39Speaker 06

  There's, yeah, there's always two sides, there's always two sides.

• 59:42Speaker 04

  And I would.

• 59:43Speaker 06

  Even though you guys went through stuff, like, every couple goes through stuff, like, you know what I mean? Like, every couple fights, every couple has a toxic phase, so the fact that this... And your mom, she called me one day, a while ago, and she called me to tell me your charges. And like, Mackenzie, I was sitting on the toilet, and like, I just like screamed and started crying when she told me the charges, because I was like, that's in, that's insane, like, that's an insane charge for what happened. I've never heard of that before, like, I've never heard of that.

• 1:00:15Speaker 04

  It's, there's evil working against me, like, and then I'm like, why would I be safe to live like life if like, they were just gonna arrest me? And like, I don't understand, they brought me back to life just to put me in jail, like, that just doesn't make any sense to me, like. So then like, I try to think that like, damn, maybe there's like something good for me planned, maybe like, this is all part of my story, and then I'm gonna write my book when I get out of here and shit. But then like, what if I'm just like, my life is just meant to be fucked, and I'm meant to fucking sit in jail my whole life and shit? Like, for something I didn't even do on purpose, like, for a fucking crash, a car accident.

• 1:00:49Speaker 04

  Like, man, the prosecutors in court were like, oh yeah, Kenzie did this, but what, um, she just killed Davion too as baggage, I'm like, did that word just come out of your mouth? Baggage? That just baffled me, like.

• 1:01:06Speaker 06

  Wait, wait, what, say it again?

• 1:01:09Speaker 04

  They said like, I killed Dom because I was like, we, like, we were in an abusive relationship, but then I just decided to like, kill Davion too as baggage, that's what the prosecutor said. In court, in front of the judge, and I'm like, that is, because they have no, nothing of why I would do it to Davion. They have videos of me and Dom arguing, because Dom would record me when I was really upset sometimes, and then I would record him when he was upset.

• 1:01:29Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:01:30Speaker 04

  But they only played like, me tweaking on him, so.

• 1:01:34Speaker 06

  Uh huh.

• 1:01:35Speaker 04

  But they had nothing for Davion, so then they just was like, Kenzie, Davion was just baggage. And I'm like, oh my goodness.

• 1:01:41Speaker 06

  Like, that makes it sound like. You're a killer.

• 1:01:45Speaker 04

  Yes, and like, why the fuck would I do that? Like, and then people on social media just are like talking so much shit about me on like the Strongsville Police page and like, all over like, the news things, people are just like saying crazy shit about me and I'm like, none of you guys even know me, like, I don't know, and I, I had to like change my Instagram name and shit, like, I don't like, cause people like, when you look up my name on Google, my Instagram comes up.

• 1:02:08Speaker 06

  Yeah, I, I see some things on TikTok too.

• 1:02:12Speaker 04

  On TikTok?

• 1:02:13Speaker 06

  Yeah, just like one, but I just ignored it, um, I-

• 1:02:17Speaker 04

  I think I know who you're talking about, she balled?

• 1:02:21Speaker 06

  I don't remember, it was a while ago, um, it was, I don't know, I hate people, I hate everyone. So wait, how many days have you done trial, like three?

• 1:02:31Speaker 04

  I've been in trial for four days, but I've been in jail nine months, not in the county though. I've been in the county. On Monday, so it's about to be one week here.

• 1:02:41Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:02:42Speaker 04

  Which is just like, once again, crazy as fuck, like a week in this bitch, like, what the fuck? And my commissary is not coming, I don't know.

• 1:02:51Speaker 06

  County's scary.

• 1:02:53Speaker 04

  As fuck, and it's the fact that they got me on this floor too, like, there's this one girl who just like, is like, talks to herself like all day long, she's in the room like right by me, she's like, ma'am, ma'am, ma'am, like all day long, I'm like, girl, like, shut the fuck up, like, she's pissing me off so bad, like, I don't like her, like, she's so irritating, like.

• 1:03:11Speaker 06

  But why do they even have on that floor, like, I don't get it.

• 1:03:15Speaker 04

  They need, like, if they wanna put people, like, there's another girl up on my floor, she's in protective custody too, but they like, why is there not a protective custody floor? Like, I don't understand why they have to put us on like this floor.

• 1:03:27Speaker 06

  So that's the protective custody floor pretty much?

• 1:03:29Speaker 04

  No, it's not, it's, it's just like, yes, they ha- well, yes, in a way, yes, but like, I just don't, and that's just like horrible, and like, I just don't, like, everyone I met on this floor has been like cool to me though, like, I haven't had, I don't have an issue with anybody on this floor, like, everybody cool, like, except like the one girl that's like in her room by herself, she's in room, the room by me, she's so irritating and I hate her, but, ah, man.

• 1:03:53Speaker 06

  Well, I'm glad that, like, the girls get along with you and stuff.

• 1:03:57Speaker 04

  Yeah, I'm not, I'm not about to cause no problems in here, I don't want no like beef with nobody in jail, like, everyone's been so nice to me, so fun.

• 1:04:03Speaker 06

  No, you're tiny too, you, you're- You need to stay away from those girls.

• 1:04:08Speaker 04

  Yes, and everyone's like, I'm, like I said, I'm the youngest here, like, except this one girl that I'm friends with, she's like a couple of years older than me. She's real cool, I like her, but, um, yeah, other than that, it's just, this shit's just crazy.

• 1:04:21Speaker 06

  Man, I can't believe this. So, okay, but like, let's just say on Monday, they say that you're innocent, do you get to go home?

• 1:04:31Speaker 04

  No, I'm probably gonna get charged with like vehicular homicide, or like, um, reckless homicide.

• 1:04:37Speaker 06

  Okay, vehicular.

• 1:04:39Speaker 04

  But then it would maybe go back to juvenile.

• 1:04:40Speaker 06

  It would be, right, not homicide?

• 1:04:43Speaker 04

  No, it's, it would probably be homicide, cause like.

• 1:04:45Speaker 06

  Oh, what?

• 1:04:47Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:04:49Speaker 04

  They just, they are trying to like fuck me up, like bad, like they are trying to like, I don't know.

• 1:04:58Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah, that's, you can do.

• 1:05:01Speaker 06

  It says, it says, Mackenzie, how do you say your last name?

• 1:05:04Speaker 04

  Shirilla.

• 1:05:06Speaker 06

  Shirilla, accused of driving car into building at a hundred miles an hour to kill two men on purpose. What in the fuck is that shit? That is some really disgusting wording.

• 1:05:19Speaker 04

  Yes, like, and then two men, like her boyfriend, like, they, they just aren't making it seem weird as fuck.

• 1:05:28Speaker 06

  Crazy, crazy, okay, well, I'm gonna, I think I have a few more minutes on here, but, um, you wanna call me tomorrow?

• 1:05:38Speaker 04

  I'm gonna call you tomorrow, cause my mom has been working ten hour shifts, and I can't call her, but I'm gonna call you tomorrow and talk to you more, I wrote your number down. So I'm gonna call you more, and you can set up video calls with me too if you want, but it costs money, so you don't have to, well, this costs money too, but video calls are like kinda expensive, but like, either way, I'm gonna talk to you tomorrow, I'm gonna call you, but if you want, you can set up a video call.

• 1:05:57Speaker 06

  I'll put more money on.

• 1:05:58Speaker 04

  Just call your mom, okay? Alright, I love you so much, girl. I'll see you. I love you too. Bye, girl. You can call it in the mail. I'm gonna try. I'll do it for y'all. I love you so much. I'll talk to you tomorrow. I love you too. Bye, girl.

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• 1:07:08Speaker 02

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• 1:07:14Speaker 02

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• 1:08:08Speaker 02

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• 1:08:13Speaker 04

  Hello? Hey! Hey, mom. How are you? Anxious. You saw us waving at you? Yeah, out the window. Yes! Yeah, I did see you. Did you see me? No!

• 1:08:26Speaker 02

  What?

• 1:08:27Speaker 04

  You better maybe come at nighttime.

• 1:08:30Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:08:31Speaker 04

  So you can see like the light on in my room.

• 1:08:33Speaker 02

  We saw the lights. I didn't- can you put a piece of paper in the window or something? Or like?

• 1:08:38Speaker 04

  Yeah, I'll try to put some shit in the window, but um, yeah, when you guys were standing at the corner, I could see you. And y'all kept walking across the street and then I couldn't see you, but like I could see where your-

• 1:08:46Speaker 02

  Oh, we didn't know.

• 1:08:47Speaker 04

  I saw where your car was parked.

• 1:08:50Speaker 02

  Oh, so you can see that part?

• 1:08:52Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:08:52Speaker 02

  We weren't sure if you can see us in the parking lot.

• 1:08:54Speaker 04

  Uh-uh. I could see y'all-

• 1:08:55Speaker 02

  Or the corner.

• 1:08:56Speaker 04

  I could see at the corner, and I couldn't see when you walked across the street though.

• 1:09:00Speaker 02

  Okay, so that's the limit. We weren't sure. Dang it, I spent a lot of time in the parking lot trying to find your room.

• 1:09:05Speaker 04

  Uh-uh.

• 1:09:06Speaker 02

  We were there for a long time.

• 1:09:08Speaker 04

  I seen you at the corner though.

• 1:09:09Speaker 02

  So you saw us waving?

• 1:09:11Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:09:12Speaker 02

  You guys- you guys want to talk to Kenzie? Okay, hold on.

• 1:09:14Speaker 04

  Who is that?

• 1:09:16Speaker 02

  Hi.

• 1:09:17Speaker 04

  Oh, hey Kendra.

• 1:09:19Speaker 02

  I love you so much.

• 1:09:21Speaker 04

  I love you so much. I wish I could do more. When I see you guys in the courtroom, they told me I can't smile at you guys or nothing, so I try to write you guys like little notes on my paper and shit.

• 1:09:28Speaker 02

  No, I love it. You look so good. I hope you know that.

• 1:09:33Speaker 04

  Man, do you think it went good today or no?

• 1:09:39Speaker 02

  Your mom said we can't talk about it over the phone. She said, "Do I think that went good today?"

• 1:09:47Speaker 02

  Okay. I mean, I don't- I don't really know.

• 1:09:52Speaker 04

  Neither do I.

• 1:09:52Speaker 02

  Like what was going on. I was like really confused. Like it was really different today.

• 1:09:57Speaker 04

  Yes, I was really nervous today. Today, like today was like, I literally cried all day today. Like I'm so stressed out.

• 1:10:04Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, I thought. But you're doing amazing.

• 1:10:08Speaker 04

  Shit, I'm trying. Real hard.

• 1:10:11Speaker 02

  Nope. It's gonna- it's gonna pay off, I'll tell you that.

• 1:10:17Speaker 04

  I hope.

• 1:10:19Speaker 04

  I wanna do fifteen to life in this fucking prison. That would just be horrible.

• 1:10:26Speaker 04

  How's your finger?

• 1:10:27Speaker 02

  Yeah. Um, it's fucked up, man. I fucked this shit up, Kenzie.

• 1:10:34Speaker 04

  Why did you break your finger?

• 1:10:36Speaker 02

  I don't know why.

• 1:10:40Speaker 02

  Cause I was just fucking around. I fell when I was running up the stairs.

• 1:10:47Speaker 02

  I wasn't- Maybe under the influence a little bit, but it's okay.

• 1:10:51Speaker 04

  Man.

• 1:10:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, she's a, it's my pinky and it's literally like the size of, um, my thumb almost.

• 1:11:01Speaker 04

  It's wool?

• 1:11:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:11:05Speaker 04

  Oh, my goodness. That is just so shitty.

• 1:11:07Speaker 02

  It's bad.

• 1:11:08Speaker 04

  Are y'all at my house?

• 1:11:10Speaker 02

  No, we are at TikTok Tavern.

• 1:11:14Speaker 04

  Where?

• 1:11:15Speaker 02

  TikTok Tavern.

• 1:11:17Speaker 04

  What the fuck is that?

• 1:11:21Speaker 02

  Uh huh.

• 1:11:22Speaker 04

  What, is this like food or some shit?

• 1:11:24Speaker 02

  Oh, no, yeah, it's where we went last time.

• 1:11:28Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 1:11:28Speaker 02

  It's really, really good. It's food, yeah.

• 1:11:32Speaker 04

  It's all there.

• 1:11:32Speaker 02

  It's literally good. Uh, me, Maddie, your mom.

• 1:11:36Speaker 04

  Oh, my God, tell Maddie, I literally love her. Like, like, I seen Maddie and I was like, I know this isn't Maddie. Like, oh, my goodness. Like, that made, that made my day.

• 1:11:44Speaker 02

  She said that it made her day. You, she was like, oh, my goodness, no way that's Maddie. What, your mom must have phoned.

• 1:11:50Speaker 04

  Hello?

• 1:11:51Speaker 02

  Oh, my God, Allison.

• 1:11:53Speaker 04

  I was bawling my eyes out.

• 1:11:55Speaker 02

  Oh, my God, Allison. She loves you so freaking much.

• 1:12:00Speaker 04

  I love her too. I really love her.

• 1:12:02Speaker 02

  She was, you know, because he's got an, an old soul and she's, you know, we were having some mature conversations. Kenzie, she, I just feel so bad because she's having, she's going through it right now at work and she could really use somebody like you.

• 1:12:14Speaker 04

  Oh, we work there. I was, I was like, if I get out, I'm gonna go work for, for her.

• 1:12:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, yep, she needs some good people. She's having a rough time.

• 1:12:22Speaker 04

  What happened?

• 1:12:22Speaker 02

  So, uh, it's just people at work, but, um, I, you will get a tablet. The reason why you haven't gotten one is because you're new. It takes a couple of days.

• 1:12:29Speaker 04

  No, it's not because I'm on the seventh floor.

• 1:12:30Speaker 02

  But every floor. No, she said every floor gets one.

• 1:12:33Speaker 04

  No, that's, they're fucking lying. Who the fuck did you, they're lying.

• 1:12:36Speaker 02

  The people at the desk.

• 1:12:37Speaker 04

  They're lying to you. They lied to you.

• 1:12:41Speaker 04

  The seventh floor does not get tablets because it's in the slave workforce. And we don't get razors. And I talked, um, and I'm about to write a grievance and I talked to the court.

• 1:12:47Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:12:51Speaker 04

  Because I'm getting fucking moved off this floor. Like, it's, I'm disgusted with this floor. Like, I don't wanna be on this floor.

• 1:12:57Speaker 02

  Okay, well, I got the phone number. Go ahead.

• 1:13:00Speaker 04

  I wanna be on the, with the, with the normal people. I don't wanna be with the crazy bitch.

• 1:13:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, I know. Oh, my God, they played her, they played- In our conversations.

• 1:13:08Speaker 04

  Man, I was, Mom, I was trying not to laugh when they played. It was in the hospital. I don't even remember. I like, I feel like nothing that I said in the hospital should be used, because one, I don't remember literally any of it.

• 1:13:20Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:13:21Speaker 04

  But like, all I heard was, like, I was trying not to laugh so hard. I was like, oh my god. And he's like, I still don't know what they said. They still don't know.

• 1:13:31Speaker 02

  What do you mean?

• 1:13:33Speaker 04

  I don't even, like, I don't even-

• 1:13:34Speaker 02

  I think it was about seizures.

• 1:13:37Speaker 04

  I don't even remember what the fuck I said to you. Like, I don't remember. Like, I could not tell you what I said to you.

• 1:13:43Speaker 02

  Why wouldn't they ask us? Duh. Ask us.

• 1:13:46Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, I don't know. And he, and Detective was pissing me off today. He kept making like weird ass faces at Jim and Sean. Like, you're a cop. Like, why the fuck are you like-

• 1:13:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, he's supposed to be unbiased. Maybe he, maybe she'll see that he does not look like he's unbiased. Okay, we can't talk about anything else, though. Um, you want to talk to me, Eddie?

• 1:14:04Speaker 04

  You can put me on speaker, but I don't know how long I have out here.

• 1:14:08Speaker 02

  What?

• 1:14:09Speaker 04

  I don't know how long I have out here.

• 1:14:11Speaker 02

  Oh, okay. All right, I'm, I'm in my mind. I'm in my mind.

• 1:14:17Speaker 04

  But, um-

• 1:14:17Speaker 02

  So, what happened last night or this morning? You couldn't call me?

• 1:14:20Speaker 04

  Um, this morning, I, what, at seven thirty AM, I went down to court.

• 1:14:25Speaker 02

  Oh, okay.

• 1:14:26Speaker 04

  So, I was in court all day today. And last night, I don't know what even, I think I, I called you that one time last night, and then that's all I could have done.

• 1:14:34Speaker 02

  Oh, okay. I wasn't sure about the eight o'clock or not. I didn't know if something happened.

• 1:14:38Speaker 04

  Damn, it's the tenth already.

• 1:14:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:14:43Speaker 02

  So, I did get the phone number of somebody I'll call, so I'm gonna call them when we're done here to ask about getting you off that floor.

• 1:14:49Speaker 04

  Yes, like, like, she's these, me that, she's like, we's or, is or, is it, is I, is or, is it, he's a, he's a, she's a, he's on this, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, and I can't log into my account and get any commentary. I don't know why. And he's like not letting me log in.

• 1:15:05Speaker 02

  Is somebody helping you?

• 1:15:06Speaker 04

  Yeah, but like, it's just not, like, I'm just kidding. Like, it's irritating. I don't know, like, how the fuck to work it.

• 1:15:11Speaker 02

  Well, somebody should be able to, I mean, help you. Who's helping you?

• 1:15:17Speaker 04

  It's a no.

• 1:15:17Speaker 02

  Oh, and then they were trying to say that we were talking nonsense on the phone last night. I'm like, I didn't talk to her last night.

• 1:15:22Speaker 04

  Who said that?

• 1:15:23Speaker 02

  Remember in the, in the thing, in, in trials? Weren't they saying like we were- Just talking a whole bunch of nonsense last night. I didn't talk to you last night.

• 1:15:29Speaker 04

  Oh, I didn't even hear them say that.

• 1:15:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:15:32Speaker 04

  Who said that?

• 1:15:34Speaker 02

  Um, so, one. I don't know.

• 1:15:38Speaker 04

  What?

• 1:15:40Speaker 02

  Um, what's it come with? What's that for? I got parodi.

• 1:15:46Speaker 02

  Maybe?

• 1:15:47Speaker 04

  Oh, my God, wait, you met, you met Miss Lisa?

• 1:15:51Speaker 02

  I did.

• 1:15:52Speaker 04

  Mom, I love her, like, to death.

• 1:15:53Speaker 02

  Me too.

• 1:15:54Speaker 04

  Like, I, I, that is literally like my mom, like my other mom, too.

• 1:15:56Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:15:58Speaker 04

  What did they say? I think Miss Peggy, Miss Lisa, who was that man in the back?

• 1:16:01Speaker 02

  I have no idea.

• 1:16:02Speaker 04

  She didn't say anything to anybody?

• 1:16:04Speaker 02

  Nope. Who was that person in the back row?

• 1:16:06Speaker 04

  What?

• 1:16:07Speaker 02

  Oh, he was from the other side.

• 1:16:09Speaker 04

  What the fuck? Why was he on our side?

• 1:16:11Speaker 02

  Oh, he was with the detective.

• 1:16:14Speaker 04

  Hazeou?

• 1:16:14Speaker 02

  Maybe he, I guess so, yeah. I don't know.

• 1:16:16Speaker 04

  Oh, so he was probably trying to hear what you all was talking about.

• 1:16:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, nobody was talking, though.

• 1:16:21Speaker 04

  That's weird as fuck.

• 1:16:23Speaker 02

  Nobody was talking.

• 1:16:26Speaker 02

  So.

• 1:16:27Speaker 04

  Did, where was Dad?

• 1:16:30Speaker 02

  Um, Dad had to stay home today.

• 1:16:34Speaker 04

  Why?

• 1:16:36Speaker 02

  Because he, he can't, he can't handle the stress, or, he just needs to stay home.

• 1:16:43Speaker 04

  Is he okay?

• 1:16:44Speaker 02

  So, he's okay. He's one hundred percent okay. He just doesn't want to cause problems for you because of, um, his lack of maybe controlling saying something he shouldn't say.

• 1:16:55Speaker 04

  Man, who was all there? Who was all here, there today?

• 1:16:59Speaker 02

  Uh, let's see. Oh, besides that, too, you know, he does obviously get he loves you. He just wants to make sure you're in the best position, that's all.

• 1:17:06Speaker 04

  I know, I know.

• 1:17:06Speaker 02

  It was really hard to sit in the lobby with Tyler yesterday. It was really hard.

• 1:17:10Speaker 04

  Who?

• 1:17:11Speaker 02

  Tyler.

• 1:17:12Speaker 04

  Who the fuck is Tyler?

• 1:17:13Speaker 02

  Tyler, uh, Proctor?

• 1:17:15Speaker 04

  He was there yesterday?

• 1:17:18Speaker 02

  Wasn't he the one who testified about Davian three sixty?

• 1:17:21Speaker 04

  No, that was Tyler Croy.

• 1:17:23Speaker 02

  Tyler Croy, okay. So, we didn't know if that was Proctor or Croy and the one-.

• 1:17:26Speaker 04

  No, and the girl?

• 1:17:30Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:17:31Speaker 04

  I'm confused because some of the stuff she said, I don't ever remember saying that to her. So, like, I'm weirded the fuck out by her.

• 1:17:38Speaker 02

  Well, don't forget, um, you know, it's been so long, it might be- they might be remembering things differently. So, I'd- I-

• 1:17:44Speaker 04

  But how are they able to testify and say I said that when I don't ever remember saying that to her? Like, that's just- it was weird to me.

• 1:17:50Speaker 02

  That's how she remembers it, so she's not lying. That's how she remembers the event. I had no idea, Kathy. It doesn't matter.

• 1:17:57Speaker 04

  And then she says that we're friends, and I was like, so we're friends, but then you said that weird shit? Like, that just weirds me out.

• 1:18:02Speaker 02

  Yeah. I don't know, pumpkin.

• 1:18:05Speaker 04

  And Paul, were you talking to Paul or no? You can't talk to him?

• 1:18:08Speaker 02

  I don't have Paul's information. No, I was gonna call him and just tell him I'm so sorry. I felt so bad for him.

• 1:18:13Speaker 04

  Oh, my God, I felt so bad for him, too. Like, he made me so sad.

• 1:18:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, and I didn't- I couldn't find his phone number on your phone. I don't know how to con- contact him.

• 1:18:21Speaker 04

  Ask Rosie. I thought Rosie was gonna testify. Why didn't Rosie testify?

• 1:18:25Speaker 02

  Because she would've said the same thing, Paul. They- you guys were all together, it would've been the same thing.

• 1:18:31Speaker 02

  It would've been the same thing.

• 1:18:34Speaker 04

  Yeah, I wanna- I need to have a private talk with you, too. Like, I just am weirded out by some things, and I just, like, don't know how to feel about it.

• 1:18:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:18:41Speaker 04

  And I don't even- I don't even think you know what I'm talking about.

• 1:18:45Speaker 02

  I don't even know how to- if we can do private conversation.

• 1:18:48Speaker 04

  It just is weird to me, like, I don't know.

• 1:18:51Speaker 02

  I'll ask when I call the- whoever that is today.

• 1:18:55Speaker 04

  Yeah, you need to call them and, like, say that because I need access to my- you know, I can, like, buy movies on my tablet. I can, like-

• 1:19:02Speaker 02

  Oh, really?

• 1:19:03Speaker 04

  Yeah, I can have music on there, I can play games.

• 1:19:05Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:19:06Speaker 04

  And then I just, like, don't have access to it because I'm on the fucking psych ward floor. Like, that just pisses me off.

• 1:19:10Speaker 02

  I'll figure it out. I'll call him.

• 1:19:11Speaker 04

  That's wrong, like, why? And, like, I need to get- these are- these are- please, or, we like, these are, like, these are, either, even, these are-

• 1:19:18Speaker 02

  But it might be.

• 1:19:19Speaker 04

  No. These are, either, even, these are, please, or.

• 1:19:23Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:19:24Speaker 04

  These are, these are, these are, these are, and the lady who walked me to court earlier said it was because I'm, like, for protection because I'm on the news. But, like, I don't need to be protected for what I'm in here for.

• 1:19:33Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:19:34Speaker 04

  Because, like, you're allowed to watch the news in here.

• 1:19:38Speaker 04

  But I don't care, like, I don't care, like, I've been called names ever since I've been in jail. Like, I'm not worried about that. I just wanna be with, like, we like, either, these are, these are, these are, these are, these are.

• 1:19:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:19:51Speaker 04

  Okay, well, I'll call and find out.

• 1:19:54Speaker 04

  What else is going on? Yeah, I'll call. I'll see what I can do anyway. There might not be much I can do. You have to, like, voice your concern and complain and be like, "Well, why is my child on the psych work floor? Like, what the fuck? Like..." Somebody said it might be because you asked for mental health, like, therapy. What? No. Every...

• 1:20:12Speaker 04

  Because that's where the therapist is? Yeah. No, it's not. Okay. I'll call and find out.

• 1:20:19Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's like, either breathing needs, like, system, we need to be, like, screezing, you know, leaves ass, even be there, resume, we need to be this, be that.

• 1:20:24Speaker 04

  Oh, God. And I don't know who it is. And I'm like, "What the fuck?" Like, that is so annoying. Right.

• 1:20:32Speaker 04

  I wonder if I can see you. What are you mean?

• 1:20:34Speaker 04

  So, next time, what we'll do is, if you can call me at night, I'll just get right in the car while we're talking, and then I'll just... But you won't be able to see me, I feel like. We'll try. Yes, I will. Yes, I will. Trust me. Okay. And, uh, if, okay, if you cross the street, you know, on the side you cross the street to, but if you cross again and I walk towards the place, there's, like, some white graffiti on the ground. It says, like, "Oops", like, something oops, like, "Stem, Steam Oops" or some shit like that. On the ground? Yes, like, "Steam Oops". Okay. If you, like, stand right on that, like, you, I will see you, like, perfectly, like, I could probably, like, read your lips, type shit. Oh, wow, okay. So, I had you on the wrong... You said you can see the Rockefeller sign. That's why I thought you were on the other side.

• 1:21:16Speaker 04

  Uh...

• 1:21:18Speaker 04

  No, I... Mom, the corner, I, like, it was, like, you know, like, where you parked your car? Yeah. I got you now.

• 1:21:23Speaker 04

  And you walk, when you walk right across the street? Uh-huh. I can see you there.

• 1:21:29Speaker 04

  But then you kept walking across the street, like, again, to, like, another corner. Right. I can see when you're... That's where I wasn't sure. I can see when you're at that corner where it has, like, the windows with, like, the art on it and shit, like, the little, like, full... Okay. I don't know what exactly is on the windows, but I can see. No, I know. I know exactly what you mean. I got you. Okay. I don't wanna be here and then tomorrow's gonna be such a horrible day. I know, sweetie pie. Alright, I'm gonna try to call you again, mom. Okay, right now. But I'm gonna wait for it to hang up because I don't know if she's gonna let me call you again. Okay. Because only the seven day people are allowed out right now.

• 1:22:06Speaker 04

  The seven day people? Yeah, the ones who have to be in their room seven days. Hmm.

• 1:22:12Speaker 04

  Okay. Mm-hmm. I love you, pumpkin. I love you so much. So, tell Kendra and Maddie I said I love them too. I just thought she loved you. And tell them I said- I got Grandma and Auntie Stephanie and Auntie Candare here too. Oh, tell them all I said I love them so much. Hold on, she said they love you so much. I love you guys.

• 1:22:32Speaker 04

  So much. But yeah, I'm gonna try to, um, make it- I'm gonna try to call again because I wanna talk to you guys again. But if not, this will probably be the last call for tonight that I know of. But if not, I'm gonna- Okay. I don't know. Alright. And then I get to talk to you guys?

• 1:22:47Speaker 02

  Thank you for using.

• 1:22:48Speaker 04

  Alright, I love you, I love you.

• 1:22:48Speaker 04

  I love you, love you.

• 1:22:49Speaker 02

  Goodbye. Hello, this is a prepaid collect call from

• 1:22:55Speaker 02

  an incarcerated individual at Cuyahoga County Corrections Center. This call is not private. It will be recorded and may be monitored. If you believe this should be a private call, please hang up and follow facility instructions to register this number as a private number. To accept charges and consent to this rec- Thank you for using Securus. You may start the conversation now.

• 1:23:15Speaker 03

  Bitch. Hello? Bitch. I'm about to add Rosie to this call and you're about to hear this shit that's going on right now. What the fuck? Hold on. Hello? Hey. Hello? Hey, Rosie. Ah, hey! I'm you. Hmm. Basically, I was just telling Rosie about how you were like, "Leave Tyler, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah." Yeah, I don't like him. Neither do I. Me and Rosie were talking and I was like, "I'm gonna tell him I wanna get a one bedroom by myself."

• 1:23:49Speaker 03

  Why?

• 1:23:51Speaker 03

  So I'm not living with him, so I can leave him. But why would you tell him that? Why wouldn't you just, like, sneak away? (laughing) I'm done! You know how he is. You should've told him that.

• 1:24:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, now he's freaking out on me. I think you guys can break up, though. Just tell him you're-

• 1:24:11Speaker 02

  Dog with him and then come go to my house.

• 1:24:14Speaker 03

  So, I said, the last text I said to him was, you made me feel like I was forced to have sex with you, I'm not leaving you. But I could very well just for that. I'm just trying to make this relationship work with what you did and overcome it. I think we, it would work better if we had our own space.

• 1:24:29Speaker 02

  No, you need to break up with him.

• 1:24:32Speaker 03

  He said, I mean, we don't even have a sex life, I don't know what else, um, to do anymore. I try to give my all, all, my all. So whatever you want, um, I'm not gonna be able to afford a one bedroom and a car payment all by myself. So, I'm gonna try to talk to my dad or my grandma about moving in with one of them.

• 1:24:50Speaker 02

  Bruh, he's a manipulative jerk. Yes, that's not, okay, say, okay, good. That's not your problem. And then move the fuck out.

• 1:25:00Speaker 02

  He's gross. He's so annoying, acting like he wouldn't have moved out anyway and have to pay for an apartment and his car payment anyway. Right. That bitch broke his fuck, get a job.

• 1:25:13Speaker 02

  I don't like him. I think you guys should break up. Yes, and I'm irritated right now, so I'm just gonna dog Tyler out, so it like, makes me not irritated, but like, yes. Go ahead, go. Yeah, you know I'm for real, you just need to leave him, like, he look musty, like, I just don't like, like, you could do way better, like. Mm-hmm. I don't know, and, eh, yeah, like, I don't even know, like, no face. You always be, yes, like, you can't be with him, he ugly. So ugly. You need to find someone better, and they actually can support you, but you shouldn't be like paying for shit for no man. But, when's the birthday or anniversary?

• 1:25:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, and it's nice there too, yeah. Yes, like, Dom and me, like, y'all know, like, I did not like to, I, I don't like to have sex or like that, like, I don't like to be fucked every single day, I don't like that. Right. And Dom wasn't, he would be like, please, please, just do this, like, Dom would never do that to me, ever. He was, he understood that, like, that's just how I am, and he just, like, I don't know, like. Yeah, you need to find a respectful mix.

• 1:26:12Speaker 03

  I said, guys, I'm not trying to make you feel any type of way, but before we even got together, I told you I didn't like having sex, um, I shouldn't, fuck, shouldn't.

• 1:26:24Speaker 02

  What's the fuck?

• 1:26:24Speaker 03

  I shouldn't be feeling like I'm an object and I'm forced.

• 1:26:28Speaker 02

  Um, do you wanna give me his number so I can dog him myself, or what?

• 1:26:31Speaker 04

  Listen, bro. Last night, he was like, "Tell Kenji I said keep her head up." And I like, just ignored him. Like, I can't. Kenji's gonna dog the fuck out of you. Man, I don't really give a fuck. He can, he can call me a killer and a murderer all he want. Like, that's it. Okay, fuck, I don't give a fuck. Like, I know I'm not none of that. Oh, and did I tell, I didn't tell you, Rosie, guess what I got?

• 1:26:56Speaker 02

  What?

• 1:26:57Speaker 04

  Three di- letters from three different inmates.

• 1:27:00Speaker 02

  Oh, my god, really?

• 1:27:01Speaker 04

  Rosie, do you know that email I sent you? Of that guy?

• 1:27:04Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:27:05Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's him. He sent me his Instagram. And he said, "That one man, Face DM'd you him or some shit, I don't know." He's DMing me, and he's like...

• 1:27:12Speaker 02

  Oh, that guy. I was like, "Why did you send me his account?" I was about to ask that.

• 1:27:18Speaker 04

  He wrote me a letter. You want me to read it to you? It's real funny.

• 1:27:21Speaker 02

  Please, bro, read it. I'm done. Let me look at his account again. Kenji, do you know what he looks like?

• 1:27:28Speaker 04

  I just, all I know is he's old, it's fucked, but he's trying to get on.

• 1:27:31Speaker 02

  He wants, he wants me. Actually, he doesn't look that bad. He's just old as hell. This is funny as fuck.

• 1:27:36Speaker 04

  Okay, are you ready?

• 1:27:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:27:40Speaker 04

  He says, "What's up, baby girl?"

• 1:27:43Speaker 04

  "Okay, hope all is well on your end. My N-word gave me your info and told me to tap in. He said you was in a heavy situation, but didn't get into details, though. My name is Jason, but everyone call me Santana. I'm five-eleven, one-hundred-eighty-five, light skin. I used to have waves, but I got dreads now.

• 1:28:00Speaker 02

  No!

• 1:28:00Speaker 04

  I got a few past, but I got headless face. I'm gonna fill in when I get out. I've been down eight, seven, and I got eight left. I can file my J U B next year, so if you want somebody to talk to, I'm here for you. But if not, feel free to pass my info on. I like to re-travel, and I'm into sports. To kill time, I'm working on these books and movies. And I'm in a graphic design class. I don't want to give up too much yet. Hopefully, we'll be able to get to know each other. And I'll be able to brighten your day some until next time." And then he gave me his Instagram.

• 1:28:34Speaker 02

  Go him back, you'll hear what I wrote him.

• 1:28:36Speaker 06

  How would you say?

• 1:28:38Speaker 02

  Okay, I wrote for all three.

• 1:28:40Speaker 03

  He said, then I think I have some things to think about for myself.

• 1:28:43Speaker 02

  Okay, break up with him before he breaks up with you, because if Tyler breaks up with you, that's it.

• 1:28:48Speaker 03

  I said, do you wanna break up?

• 1:28:51Speaker 06

  I think he does, babe. You were like, we should just go, we should just each get our own apartment, and he was like, we need, why are we breaking up?

• 1:28:56Speaker 03

  I wasn't even mean about it. Cause I swear to God, I was literally asking Rosie, like, if I sounded like an asshole, like, I was trying to be nice. Because the last time me and Tyler broke up, you literally sat there and did coke, and told his family he was gonna kill himself because of it.

• 1:29:08Speaker 02

  Okay, and that's not your fault?

• 1:29:10Speaker 03

  So, like, I was trying to be like nice, to be like, listen, like, I just think it'd be better, like, we got our own place, like, our own faces, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

• 1:29:18Speaker 02

  When he's, I'm used to, like, to saying he's gonna kill himself, I'll be like, I'm telling your brother.

• 1:29:25Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:29:25Speaker 02

  You know what I mean? Like, that's all you gotta do, is just be like, no, like, that's not my fault.

• 1:29:29Speaker 06

  Yeah, but tell your mom, like, that's not what you gotta do, like, you know?

• 1:29:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, just be like, I'll tell your mom, I'm gonna screenshot this and send it to your mom, like.

• 1:29:35Speaker 06

  Yeah, that's what I always say, I'm always, do I need to tell your mom that you're, like, literally going mentally crazy?

• 1:29:41Speaker 03

  He said, he said, no, I don't, but now I really don't know.

• 1:29:44Speaker 06

  Hmm.

• 1:29:45Speaker 02

  Chase, break up with him, like, I know you don't want to, but just break up with him, like, for real, like, and focus on yourself, be like, okay, we're gonna be, like, I was like, I think, hey, I think we need to break up, and then be like, we can maybe, like, touch back base, like, when you get your shit together. You know what I mean? Like, you can just say some shit like that.

• 1:30:00Speaker 03

  I just wanna be like, be like, how do you not know?

• 1:30:06Speaker 02

  Chase, you want my advice or not? That's what I think you should do.

• 1:30:11Speaker 02

  I don't like him.

• 1:30:15Speaker 06

  Me neither.

• 1:30:15Speaker 02

  I don't like how he does that, that's weird as fuck, like, he better not ever try to do no weird shit to you again. And I'm gonna tell y'all what just happened to me that got me irritated as fuck, so I'm the fucking securest J.

• 1:30:26Speaker 04

  P six tablet shitty ass tablet I there's this music subscription that's twenty dollars a month. And I was like, okay, I'm I'm just gonna get it because like I don't wanna pay two dollars for a song like every day and pay for songs over and over again. Tell me why so I buy the subscription. I'm going to start downloading all this music. Bruh, they only got like upcoming artists like it's like if me and you recorded a song and put it on Discord. No. Yes, it's like people like that and I'm sitting here like I know I didn't just pay twenty dollars for two hundred thousand songs of people that recorded in their basement. I'm irritated as fuck and I can't refund it. So now I'm just stuck with this fucking shit like I'm so irritated like.

• 1:31:10Speaker 04

  And I called my mom like mom I'm gonna freak the fuck out like I just bought this subscription a fucking like not even underground like. Fucking like Davion's and Dom's and shit of the world like fucking Tyler Proctor fucking like people that just like. Shit like. Literally me and you. I wish it sounded like Davion and Dom and this too but no, it's literally like who is it's giving you this it's giving. It's giving kid worry it's giving Joey. It's giving Joey, yes, it's giving who else fucking all them. That's what it's giving. I'm like, what the fuck is going on and why?

• 1:31:46Speaker 03

  Let me ask you that with your talk in person.

• 1:31:50Speaker 04

  No, say no, that's not gonna happen. No, cause I know what he's gonna do but.

• 1:31:54Speaker 03

  No, cause he's gonna piss you off in person. Get the fuck out of my house.

• 1:31:57Speaker 04

  No, he wants to just use the tip, Faith. That's all he wants, just the tip. Like, don't let him see you in person. For real. He's gonna try to do some weird shit.

• 1:32:06Speaker 03

  Well, he's stupid because I literally I'm going to Rosie's today.

• 1:32:10Speaker 04

  Oh, are y'all coming over? Y'all going to my house tonight at night? Yes.

• 1:32:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, and we're going to your mom.

• 1:32:16Speaker 04

  Yes, my mom told me like I really need y'all to unfollow like all these weird assholes like anyone that y'all get weird vibes from. Yeah. Or that.

• 1:32:22Speaker 02

  I'm so excited to do this because, yeah.

• 1:32:26Speaker 03

  They're gonna be like, wait, how does Ken- how did Kenzie unfollow me? Like, yes, I don't follow you no more. And what about?

• 1:32:30Speaker 02

  I know, really? Oh, God, Kenzie out of jail, she unfollowed me.

• 1:32:34Speaker 03

  Yes, because I know they're keeping up with Kenzie.

• 1:32:36Speaker 02

  Bro, I'm sad. Imagine if your account was just like commenting back at people like, oh, really?

• 1:32:43Speaker 03

  Honestly, I wa- I almost want y'all to have like, you need to like come over every once in a while and like go through my phone. But you need to like unfollow, like even people that are like friends with ops and aren't saying anything like that.

• 1:32:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, I understand.

• 1:32:55Speaker 03

  Because I don't want nobody to-

• 1:33:00Speaker 03

  Alright, y'all good. I said, every time a person yell at me.

• 1:33:05Speaker 03

  Hey, why does he think he can talk to you like that, looking like that? That's just what I don't understand. I was literally just on Rosie that. I was like, bro, I don't- He's ugly as fuck and-

• 1:33:14Speaker 02

  No, that is.

• 1:33:15Speaker 03

  I don't know. It looks like his breasts stink, so I don't know.

• 1:33:18Speaker 02

  Ooh, my gosh.

• 1:33:21Speaker 03

  With that weird ass upper lip. I don't know what the fuck wrong with him. Sorry, I was taking a picture of my titties. Why? Not like nude. To send it? No, like not nude nude. It was just my shirt was like, my shirt makes my titties look real good today.

• 1:33:37Speaker 03

  You sent it to him? No. Oh, okay. I sent it to everyone else in my fucking Snapchat. Oh, yeah, I got Karina jealous. You're too easy to get more views than her now.

• 1:33:47Speaker 02

  I'm sad. Yeah, she can't get any views anymore.

• 1:33:52Speaker 03

  Yes, because I remember she used to like have forty K like followers on her Facebook for her boobs.

• 1:33:55Speaker 02

  I know, and they would always be talking about her titties, bro.

• 1:33:59Speaker 03

  What do you want me to do then? I feel like I give you my all just to be told this stuff. Babe, break up with him. Just break up with him. The conversation's like literally pathetic as fuck. He's pathetic as fuck. Break up with him.

• 1:34:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, the fuck is he talking about?

• 1:34:14Speaker 03

  My all, you don't try to do anything.

• 1:34:15Speaker 02

  What all? What does he give? That's what I'm saying. He doesn't give you shit like.

• 1:34:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:34:20Speaker 02

  What, he gives you a hundred fifty dollars a month for rent? Like, what the fuck? When's the last time he took you out to eat? When?

• 1:34:27Speaker 03

  He does give me money though.

• 1:34:29Speaker 02

  On whose side is he on?

• 1:34:31Speaker 03

  I'm just saying that he does give me money though.

• 1:34:34Speaker 02

  No, not enough.

• 1:34:36Speaker 03

  Not enough?

• 1:34:39Speaker 02

  I'm on his ass.

• 1:34:40Speaker 03

  If he really like loved you like that, he would pay for your apartment, buy yourself. Guys, I'm gonna go join the army.

• 1:34:47Speaker 03

  That would be.

• 1:34:48Speaker 02

  What? He just said that?

• 1:34:50Speaker 03

  No, I am. I'm saying that.

• 1:34:52Speaker 02

  Let me know if you see Dom. Cause apparently Dom was going there.

• 1:35:00Speaker 03

  You're kinda like, uh, make him a piece of shit.

• 1:35:04Speaker 02

  Like, why would he just lie about that? Like, I'm just not over that. So like, this, what, the army? Dom would never shave his head. And you know that. He don't wanna look like he's got a.

• 1:35:13Speaker 03

  Forcing you to have sex.

• 1:35:16Speaker 02

  What?

• 1:35:19Speaker 02

  You said that to him?

• 1:35:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, I just know.

• 1:35:23Speaker 02

  Wait, what? You said you're a piece of shit. You for- tried to force me to have sex? You said that to him?

• 1:35:27Speaker 03

  No, I said you told me like I'm a piece of shit and you forced me to have sex. Period.

• 1:35:32Speaker 02

  Yes, he, I don't know why he thought he can just do that. That's really fucking weird.

• 1:35:37Speaker 03

  I'm gonna need some of your jail boy's numbers.

• 1:35:41Speaker 02

  What'd you say?

• 1:35:44Speaker 03

  I said I'm gonna need some of your jail boy numbers.

• 1:35:48Speaker 02

  Oh my god, this one man, he's like forty-five and he really wants me to call him at three thirty today. And I think I'm gonna call him. And he, he's like a sugar daddy. He scares me a little bit though. Like, I.

• 1:36:02Speaker 02

  Yes, he's like, he's like, he's like, how are you beautiful? I'm like, okay. I just don't answer him. Like, he scares me.

• 1:36:08Speaker 03

  It's so weird. They're so weird. That's funny. Oh, he did not go there. He said you act like everything's good. Oh.

• 1:36:17Speaker 02

  What?

• 1:36:18Speaker 03

  Perfect though. I've been working on myself half the time. I feel like I can't even come to you about the problems I'm dealing with.

• 1:36:24Speaker 02

  He's trying to manipulate you. He's trying to manipulate you.

• 1:36:28Speaker 03

  Gaslighting?

• 1:36:28Speaker 02

  Lock in, lock in. Why would you get an opinion? For real.

• 1:36:36Speaker 02

  I said gaslighting question mark? Oh my god.

• 1:36:41Speaker 02

  No, you need to just stop texting him and he wasting your energy on him. This is what he wants, like for real. I'm gonna call you back.

• 1:36:48Speaker 03

  Call it back, yes.

• 1:36:50Speaker 02

  Okay. Okay, add me to it, Faith. I will, I will. I'm gonna just, I'm gonna just wait till it hangs up. Y'all can stay on the phone. And I'm gonna just let it hang up. But yeah, I don't know, Tyler is, and he needs to lose weight, but we'll just talk about that later. Yeah, and why is his name Tyler?

• 1:37:05Speaker 03

  He's like, I'm just telling you how to.

• 1:37:07Speaker 02

  Why would you say that, Rosie?

• 1:37:11Speaker 02

  Like Tyler though, that name is shitty. I don't know. Tyler, like no, goodbye. Flopped, I don't know.

• 1:37:23Speaker 02

  Next caller. Yes, next caller, fuck. Annoying as fuck.

• 1:37:31Speaker 02

  You can just tell she's so concentrated. Yes, Faith is about to blow me, that's what. She needs to block him. And stop wasting her energy on his bitch ass.

• 1:37:44Speaker 02

  Thank you for using Securis, goodbye.

• 1:37:47Annie Elise?

  So I'm curious, based on everything that you just heard, if you're with me, where it sounds like, okay, they're joking, they're not taking any sort of, they're not taking it seriously, they're, you know, mean girl mentality collectively. It just, and I get it, they're young, and so maybe you chalk some of that up to immaturity, but also, it just feels very surfacy and gross to me. I don't know. Now, another thing I'm working on, which I mentioned will release Friday, there are so many calls between Mackenzie and her mother. Now, we, I don't think it's any secret, I think we all can agree that Mackenzie's parents, Natalie and Steve, have enabled her from day one, and that they weren't even actual parents, they were more concerned with being her friend.

• 1:38:28Annie Elise?

  So I went through the hours and hours and hours and hours of phone calls with her mom, and I pulled out fifteen that I think really are the wildest, the most, you know, the, the audacity, the evilness, the enabling, all of those things, and just kind of like, honestly, the bizarre ones too. So that is going to be releasing Friday. So make sure you're, and again, uncut, raw, uncensored, so make sure that you are subscribed, if you're not already, so that you do not miss that episode.

• 1:39:00Annie Elise?

  And with that, and maybe I'll talk about it more, I don't know if I, maybe I'll talk about it in the Friday episode, I'm going to share more about the text messages that everybody's talking about because there's been a lot of stuff going, and I'm gonna make a note right now for myself for when I record this next video. There's been a lot of things going viral about text messages between Mackenzie and her dad before the crash, where she would ask him in the middle of the night to bring her warm milk, people suggesting that warm milk is code for something far more disgusting and nefarious, if you catch where I'm going with that. Also about how like then whenever she posted her Starbucks order, it would say dairy-free, so why would she be asking for a warm milk? And things about him saying, you know, but I love your mom, weird stuff. Now, I have my personal opinions on that.

• 1:39:45Annie Elise?

  I've been doing some digging, and I'm gonna share that in the next episode too, just because I think it's too much for this one. So, and that way too, it's like the mom and the dad, all of that stuff kind of live together on one episode. So, come back Friday for that, and let me know what you think. But hopefully, we're almost done with this Mackenzie saga, because I mean, it's just more keeps coming out, more points of view, and so I think this next video on Friday will probably be the last of it, but I don't want to make any promises. So anyway, let me know what you guys think. Do you think that Mackenzie is remorseful? Let me know either in the Q and A section, maybe we'll put a poll up, or in the comment section. What do you think? Alright guys, thank you so much for tuning

• 1:40:28Annie Elise?

  into another episode, and until the next one, be nice, don't kill people, and just be a decent human. Bye.