217: Diabolical Mistress Sets Up Her Husband For Murder?! | The Disturbing Case of Shawna Nelson

Shawna Nelson had it all, she was married, had a family and worked as a 911 dispatcher. But it wasn’t enough…She started having an affair with a coworker and fell head over heels for him, even becoming pregnant with his child. When he said he didn’t want to divorce his wife, Shawna took matters into her own hands…SeedGo to https://www. Seed.com/ae and use code 25AE to get 25% off your first month. LumenGo to https://www.lumen.me/AE to get 15% offRocket MoneyHead to https://www. RocketMoney.com/AE to cancel unwanted subscriptions and start savingHiya HealthGet 50% off your first order by going to https://www.hiyahealth.com/AE Shop the Merch:www.annieelise.com Follow the podcast on TikTok:https://www.tiktok.com/@serialouslypodcast Follow the podcast on Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/serialouslypod/ Patreon:https://www.patreon.com/annieelise All Social Media Links:https://www.flowcode.com/page/annieelise_ SERIALously FB Page:https://www.facebook.com/SERIALouslyAnnieElise/ About Me:https://annieelise.com/ For Business Inquiries:[email protected] Sources:Oxygen9 NewsGreeley TribuneAspen TimesCourt TVAudio Sources:Court TV

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• 1:39Annie Elise?

  Hey, true crime besties. Welcome back to an all-new episode of Serialishly.

• 2:02Annie Elise?

  Hey everybody, welcome back to an all new episode of the True Crime Podcast, Serialistically, with me, your host, Annie Elyse. I hope you guys all had a good weekend and you are ready to be jolted into reality, not only because it's a Monday, but because this case that we're talking about today is definitely gonna jolt you. So I don't know whether you are driving, or you're cleaning, or you're working out, whatever it is you're doing, let's just take a pause, get into a zen place mentally before we get into it, because it is definitely a doozy of a case, but one that I think is incredibly important that we talk about. So I'm gonna shut up now,

• 2:43Annie Elise?

  okay, and we're just gonna jump right in. So on January 23rd, 2007, 37-year-old Heather Guerrero was in the parking lot just outside of the Colorado State Employees Credit Union where she worked. She had just finished up her shift for the day and she was ready to head home. Now let me talk to you about Heather, because Heather was absolutely beautiful. She had this long, wavy, dark hair, these full, rounded cheeks, and whenever she smiled, she had little dimples in them. She also liked to wear big statement earrings, which, girl, after my own heart, I live for my earrings. But she was also very responsible. She wasn't just a teller or some other entry-level worker at this credit union, she was a supervisor,

• 3:25Annie Elise?

  one of the rare people who kind of had a knack for getting along with the people she managed, which doesn't really happen in a lot of situations, right? I mean, everybody at the office really liked Heather. She was also involved with a local Catholic church called St. Mary's, and it sounds like she took her faith very seriously, because Heather always put everybody else before herself. If you ever needed help with something, Heather was there to chip in. She cared about making sure that everyone around her was taken care of and just really in a good place. She lived and worked in Greeley, Colorado, which was a small city northeast of Denver, and it was big enough to- To have its own public transit and different local festivals and things, including the

• 4:07Annie Elise?

  annual Oktoberfest, but it also could be more small-town vibes here and there. It was kind of the sort of place where everybody knew everyone. Gossip had a way of, you know, spreading like wildfire, which will be very important in this story later, but it was kind of a mix between the two. So that evening Heather hung around the parking lot after work, talking with her coworkers, just starting to unwind from the long day, trying to decompress. But then, all of a sudden, this stranger just walked up out of nowhere, and right away, everyone could tell that something just wasn't right here. For one thing, the stranger was wearing this black mesh mask, kind of like something that would come with a Halloween costume. They also had on, you know, a black hood

• 4:52Annie Elise?

  or like this robe-type thing, so they literally looked like the Grim Reaper. And when this person approached, they pulled out a gun, and they walked right up to Heather. Now, of course, everyone was pretty freaked out by this, so they didn't know what to do. And when the Grim Reaper person went up to Heather, they told her, you know, "Get on your knees." She was terrified, so she did what she was told. She dropped to her knees. I mean, she didn't want to get shot. Then, once Heather was down, kneeling on the ground on her knees, the Grim Reaper said something to her like, "You ruined my life." Then, they pulled the trigger twice. Both bullets hit Heather in the head, and right upon that, she just

• 5:37Annie Elise?

  kind of slumped over. Then, this Grim Reaper person just ran away. So Heather's coworkers, who were terrified, shocked, just freaking out, they called 911 right away. They said, "Somebody had just tried to murder our coworker. You need to get here fast." And the good news in all of this was that she was still alive, but she definitely was not in good condition.

• 6:00Speaker 02

  911, what's the emergency?

• 6:02Speaker 03

  2505 Leveux Avenue.

• 6:04Speaker 02

  2505 Leveux Avenue?

• 6:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 6:07Speaker 02

  Somebody's been shot?

• 6:09Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 6:10Speaker 02

  Did you hit them, or you hit the person?

• 6:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, she's on the ground right now. Someone yelled at her, "You ruined my life," and the mask, and just shot her and ran.

• 6:17Speaker 02

  Where did they go? Are they on foot?

• 6:19Speaker 03

  They're on foot, and they're hitting, hitting east. Oh, hitting south, hitting south. All black, kind of like a trench coat. Um.

• 6:30Speaker 03

  They have like a mask on. I don't want to follow on.

• 6:33Speaker 02

  No, no, definitely don't, sir. What's the female, how old is she?

• 6:36Speaker 03

  I am, she is like thirty six.

• 6:39Speaker 02

  Thirty six?

• 6:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 6:41Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 6:41Speaker 03

  She's not moving at all.

• 6:42Speaker 02

  She's not moving?

• 6:44Speaker 03

  She's not moving, no.

• 6:45Speaker 02

  She's breathing?

• 6:45Speaker 03

  Um.

• 6:49Speaker 02

  Who is she?

• 6:50Speaker 03

  Oh no, she's not. There's a bunch of people, she works here.

• 6:52Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 6:53Speaker 03

  There's blood all over.

• 6:54Speaker 02

  Is she conscious?

• 6:55Speaker 03

  She is not conscious, no.

• 6:56Speaker 02

  She breathing at all?

• 6:57Speaker 03

  I don't think so, no.

• 6:58Speaker 02

  Okay. Sir, do you know how to do CPR at all?

• 7:01Speaker 03

  No, I do not.

• 7:02Speaker 02

  Okay, I want to, is anybody else there that can?

• 7:05Speaker 03

  No, there's no one else that can. She's on her, she's on her stomach.

• 7:08Speaker 02

  She's on her stomach?

• 7:09Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 7:10Speaker 02

  Where was she shot?

• 7:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, she was shot, well.

• 7:12Speaker 02

  Where was she shot?

• 7:13Speaker 03

  She was shot, I see blood coming out of the face area, maybe in the head. Um.

• 7:19Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 7:19Speaker 03

  I'm not sure, I can't see, I can't tell.

• 7:21Speaker 02

  Okay, alright, somebody else is getting them on the way, sir. I'm gonna try and get, if we can, to get CPR started on her, if it's possible.

• 7:27Speaker 03

  Alright, okay, let me, I'll give my phone up here.

• 7:29Speaker 02

  Do what?

• 7:30Speaker 03

  I'm gonna keep these on, see. Okay, what do you want me to do?

• 7:34Speaker 02

  Okay, so, is she on her stomach, sir?

• 7:36Speaker 03

  Yes, she's on her stomach.

• 7:38Speaker 02

  Okay, I need you to roll her over if you can, make sure her airways open, okay?

• 7:42Speaker 03

  Okay, I'll show her, we'll put the phone down.

• 7:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:54Speaker 02

  Are you getting suspect info on her?

• 8:01Speaker 03

  There's, there's too much blood, there's something off your health, um.

• 8:05Speaker 02

  What do you mean there?

• 8:06Speaker 03

  There's just, there's blood everywhere.

• 8:08Speaker 02

  Okay, and you're sure she's not breathing at all?

• 8:11Speaker 03

  Is she breathing, can someone check the?

• 8:14Speaker 02

  I want you to get down by her and see if you can feel any air coming from her mouth, or see her chest raise and fall.

• 8:19Speaker 03

  I don't know. I don't see anything.

• 8:22Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 8:22Speaker 03

  I see nothing.

• 8:23Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 8:24Speaker 03

  I don't see her chest moving. I don't see any air coming from her.

• 8:28Speaker 02

  Okay, well, I'm gonna tell you how to give her mouth to mouth. Do you think you can do that?

• 8:31Speaker 03

  What's that?

• 8:32Speaker 02

  Can you help her with mouth? Can you do mouth to mouth?

• 8:34Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 8:35Speaker 02

  You wanna try that?

• 8:36Speaker 03

  I don't know.

• 8:38Speaker 02

  Can you see there is?

• 8:41Speaker 03

  Oh, nobody here.

• 8:43Speaker 02

  Nobody wants to do mouth to mouth?

• 8:45Speaker 03

  No.

• 8:46Speaker 02

  I can help anybody that would be willing to try and help her, if you think...

• 8:48Speaker 03

  Is anybody that wants mouth to mouth, I know how? Well, she doesn't have a mask, because she doesn't wanna do it. It was blood all over her face.

• 8:57Speaker 02

  Okay, so, so nobody there is willing to do mouth to mouth?

• 9:00Speaker 03

  No.

• 9:14Speaker 02

  And you said she was, she was shot twice?

• 9:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, I heard two shots.

• 9:18Speaker 02

  And blood is coming from her face?

• 9:20Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 9:23Speaker 02

  Okay, sir, it's okay. I've got people on the way, okay?

• 9:26Speaker 03

  All right, thank you. Oh, here's a cop here.

• 9:29Speaker 02

  Okay, all right, all right. I'm gonna go ahead and let you go, okay, sir?

• 9:33Speaker 03

  All right, thanks.

• 9:34Speaker 02

  All right, thank you.

• 9:35Annie Elise?

  Now, after listening to this clip, I do want to say, it would be really easy to hate on Heather's coworkers for not even being willing to try to do mouth to mouth, right? That 911 operator was practically begging them to try and save her and give it a shot, and they just wouldn't. But again, as tempting as it would be to, you know, trash them now in hindsight, I do think that everybody who witnessed the shooting was freaked out and wanted to help Heather, and I don't think that they were refusing to do CPR because they wanted her to die, but more so because they were just in shock and truly just freaking out. I mean, you can tell from the guy's tone of voice on that call, they were distraught. And people don't always respond perfectly in stressful situations, we know that.

• 10:20Annie Elise?

  So as much as I wish that somebody would have stepped up and been the hero in that situation, you know, somebody who happened to also have perfect medical training and could save her life...

• 10:30Speaker 02

  I don't even know if that would have been possible. But again, everyone who was on the scene was trying to help Heather. There was even another 911 call that was placed at the same time as that first one.

• 10:40Speaker 03

  Your call is broken.

• 10:42Speaker 02

  911?

• 10:43Speaker 03

  Oh my God, we just had a shooting. Oh shit, it's um, C C C U, 2505 11th Avenue.

• 10:48Speaker 02

  Please just calm down, I can't understand you, where are you?

• 10:50Speaker 03

  2505 11th Avenue.

• 10:52Speaker 02

  What's going on?

• 10:53Speaker 03

  We had a shooting, it's a homicide.

• 10:56Speaker 02

  Is there somebody hurt? Is there somebody hurt?

• 10:58Speaker 03

  Huh?

• 10:59Speaker 02

  Is there somebody hurt?

• 11:00Speaker 03

  Yes, she was on the ground, Heather, the girl, I saw her in the gutter, husband's a cop. Oh my God, oh my God.

• 11:08Speaker 02

  Where is the person that's hurt?

• 11:10Speaker 03

  I'm sorry, what?

• 11:11Speaker 02

  Where is the person that's hurt?

• 11:13Speaker 03

  She was in the alley, and I think like a whole totally black, cop, that was a guy in the alley. They went down the back behind, oh my God.

• 11:23Speaker 02

  Were they male?

• 11:24Speaker 03

  I don't know, they had it complete, like, calling, love on, and something, oh my God, they're coming up. You know, I hear you, oh my God.

• 11:32Speaker 02

  Okay, they went behind the alley, I need you to tell me what's going on.

• 11:36Speaker 03

  The person just ran down the alley, um, south, south down behind the businesses here on 11th Avenue. There's no way to tell who it was, they were the black.

• 11:47Speaker 02

  Okay, where's the person that was shot?

• 11:54Speaker 02

  I need you, hey, where's the person that was shot? I need you to calm down, and I need you to tell me what is going on.

• 12:01Speaker 03

  I'm sorry, I'm here, we just came out of work.

• 12:04Speaker 02

  Okay, where is the person that was shot?

• 12:06Speaker 03

  Oh my God, oh my God.

• 12:08Speaker 02

  Ma'am, ma'am, I need you to tell me what is going on, where is the person that was shot?

• 12:13Speaker 03

  She was on the ground.

• 12:15Speaker 02

  Is it male or female?

• 12:16Speaker 03

  Female, and the girl, the husband's a cop.

• 12:21Speaker 02

  Do you know any ground?

• 12:23Speaker 03

  It's that stupid shit.

• 12:24Speaker 02

  Okay, we have some info, and talk to the patient, okay, do you know who it was that was there?

• 12:28Speaker 03

  I don't know, I don't know who it was.

• 12:30Speaker 02

  Ma'am? Ma'am, what is your name?

• 12:33Speaker 03

  My name?

• 12:33Speaker 02

  What is your name?

• 12:34Speaker 03

  Nicole, and I see where we could go.

• 12:36Speaker 02

  Okay, Nicole, what is the phone number that you're calling me from?

• 12:39Speaker 03

  34.

• 12:40Speaker 02

  Uh huh.

• 12:41Speaker 03

  345.

• 12:43Speaker 02

  Okay, we do have a number on their way to help you, or just wait that.

• 12:48Speaker 02

  Nicole?

• 12:49Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 12:50Speaker 02

  Nicole, are you with the patient now?

• 12:52Speaker 03

  I'm sorry?

• 12:53Speaker 02

  Are you with the patient now?

• 12:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, but I know who he's one of the people. There's people, there's people.

• 13:07Speaker 03

  Oh my god. What's going on? There's people trying to help her. Um, I think Brad, are you on the phone 911 too? Okay, he's being with her. Okay.

• 13:14Annie Elise?

  So it definitely seemed like it was a very high urgency situation. Multiple 911 calls were being made. People were trying to frantically figure out what to do to help Heather, although they were not doing CPR. But even with everybody calling for ambulances right away and trying to get Heather that help, she ended up dying within the next half hour. And even though this happened right in front of that credit union where she worked, the cops were pretty confident right off the bat that this was not at all about money. It wasn't some sort of bank robbery gone wrong, nothing like this because remember this grim reaper person told Heather, "You ruined my life." This was targeted. This wasn't some get rich quick, rob a bank, shoot the casualties, nothing like that.

• 14:00Annie Elise?

  It seemed pretty obvious that the murderer, whoever they were, had targeted Heather specifically and intentionally. So now the question became whether Heather had any enemies or not, anybody who might want to hurt her. So the police started by taking a look at her home life. Heather had a nine-year-old daughter named Victoria and she was also married to a police officer named Ignacio Guerrero. He went by Ig for short. Now, of course, anytime a woman gets murdered, I mean, say it with me, guys, you know where I'm going with this. You always look at the husband. You also look at the boyfriend, whoever the partner is first, if there's an affair, you always look to those people first. So it obviously made sense to treat her husband Ig as a suspect in this case

• 14:44Annie Elise?

  because he might have had a motive to want to kill his wife or hurt her. And in fact, he did. See, from the outside, he seemed like a loving husband and father. He was really involved in his daughter Victoria's life. But the problem was, and this is key, he was having an affair. It began a little more than three years earlier in 2004. Now, the other woman named Shawna Nelson was Working as a 911 dispatcher. Now, since she was always sending police officers to respond to different emergency calls, she naturally had to get to know all of these different officers, including Ig. Now Shauna was in her early 30s. She was curvy, she had long blonde hair, but at first Ig wasn't attracted to Shauna.

• 15:26Annie Elise?

  The two of them just kind of got along as work friends and that kind of vibe. They also, though, had a lot in common. They liked to go to the same kinds of places, whether that was shopping at the same stores, relaxing at the same kind of places, you name it. And then, once they knew each other through work, Ig started noticing that he had started seeing Shauna all the time. So he would always go up to her and say, "Hey, how are you doing?", that kind of thing. It just happened very naturally. They were always in the same place at the same time. Then they had this work relationship and just this connection started to form. So the more time that went on, the more they kept seeing each other. And after that, Ig and Shauna started opening up more about what things were going on in their lives. As it turned out, Ig's marriage was going through somewhat of a rocky patch. He and Heather were struggling a little bit.

• 16:11Annie Elise?

  So Ig told Shauna about how hard everything was with his wife. And she admitted, you know, "Hey, I know exactly what you're going through because me and my husband, we're having a very difficult time as well." Shauna had been married to a man named Ken Nelson for eight years. They had been married since 1996. He was also a police officer. But their relationship had not exactly been glamorous. When they got married, their wedding ceremony was in the backyard of a friend's house, which is great, it's personal, it's cozy. And I'm not sure about the dates, but given that Ken and Shauna had an eight-year-old and a nine-year-old by their eighth anniversary, it does sound like Shauna was either pregnant when she got married, or she got pregnant right afterward. So it sounds entirely possible that Shauna maybe got married way too young and under

• 16:56Annie Elise?

  circumstances that could have been less than ideal. And now, eight years later, the pressure was getting to both her and Ken. Their foundation was cracking, things weren't good. So after they continued seeing each other and opening up to one another and developing this relationship, she got into the habit where every time she saw Ig, she would talk about how bad things were with her husband. Then in return, he would talk about how bad things were between he and Heather, his wife. They were just venting back and forth and also kind of getting to feeling like they understood each other in a way that nobody else did. And after some time, those feelings of friendship turned more romantic. And before long, they were sleeping together.

• 17:38Annie Elise?

  Now, Ig and Shawna also did a terrible job of hiding what they were up to, okay? I mean, at least from their coworkers, because pretty much everyone knew that there was something going on between the two of them. However, they did do a better job of stopping their spouses from finding out about the affair. They were able to hide it from them. And one of the ways they did this was by disguising who they were talking to. For example, Shawna had Ig saved in her phone under the name Omar. That was because she had a coworker named Omar, but she never really talked to him outside of work. So the idea was that if her husband ever saw her getting, you know, all of these phone calls, all of these text messages from somebody named Omar, she could just explain it away as something from work.

• 18:19Annie Elise?

  And as for Ig, he would go out and he would buy flowers for his wife Heather just because. Then he would show up at her place of work at the credit union just unannounced and give her the flowers, almost like, it's like, oh, my gosh, your husband, he's so thoughtful. It's just because flowers, he's popping into your work, just kind of seemingly making it seem, I don't know if that makes sense, seemingly making it seem as though he is like the gold star husband. Now, in the moment, it probably seemed like this really sweet, romantic thing to do. But I also have to imagine that part of his motivation for doing all of this would be to help himself feel less guilty for having the affair. Because as bad as things were between Ig and Heather and between Shawna and Ken,

• 19:01Annie Elise?

  as much as Shawna and Ig were whining and complaining about how their marriages were just falling apart, none of them actually wanted to get a divorce. They were kind of trying to make it work. And I say kind of because I think if you really want to have a good marriage, one big key is to not go sneaking around behind your partner's back and lying about it, right? But again, what do I know? So anyway, Ig and Shawna were having sex and having this affair for literal years. And the whole time, he was just lying to his wife about it. And Shawna was lying to her husband. They were just hiding everything. And then get this, at one point, Shawna got pregnant with Ig's baby.

• 19:41Speaker 04

  Almost the very first thing out of Ig's mouth was, we need to take care of this.

• 19:48Speaker 05

  Did you discuss an abortion?

• 19:50Speaker 04

  Yes, we did.

• 19:54Speaker 05

  Uh, did you wish to have an abortion?

• 19:58Speaker 04

  No, not at first I didn't.

• 20:00Speaker 05

  What was the nature of the discussion? How would you characterize the discussion? That indicating what Mr. Garrus said was...

• 20:09Speaker 04

  I kind of always told myself that that would not ever be an option for me.

• 20:17Speaker 05

  Uh, did you decide to have an abortion?

• 20:23Speaker 04

  Ig talked me into having an abortion.

• 20:25Annie Elise?

  But then, in 2005, she got pregnant again.

• 20:32Annie Elise?

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• 21:15Annie Elise?

  But whatever the issue was, this time around, Shawna put her foot down. She said that she wanted to keep the baby, and she wasn't going to be able to try and pass it off as Ken's or anything else, because you see, it was now getting to a point where Shawna and Ig could not keep things a secret for a whole lot longer. Both of their spouses were getting suspicious. Heather kept asking Ig why he was working late so often. Why did he keep slipping out of the house in the middle of the night? She knew that it wasn't for work, so she was trusting her intuition. She was asking him what's really going on. And at some point, Ken found Shawna's diary just laying out in the open, so he went into it, and he flipped through it, which I gotta say is not...

• 21:57Annie Elise?

  A good move, Ken snooping just isn't right, but right or wrong, Ken saw all of these things that she had written about about how when she was with Ig. So he knew at least some details and about their relationship to some degree. I don't know if it was clear to him exactly how long the affair had been going on or how far things had gone, but he definitely knew something. So basically Ken and Heather were now asking questions to their spouses, but they weren't liking the answers that Shawna and Ig were giving them. So that's when Shawna and Ig decided to just come clean, not entirely out of the goodness of their hearts, though, obviously, right? But more so because they didn't really have a whole lot of choice anymore. Now, of course, Heather and Ken were both very, very upset, and it probably didn't help

• 22:41Annie Elise?

  that when Shawna's son Christian was born, she put Ig's name down on the birth certificate, not her husband's. She was identifying this is Ig's baby. So there was a whole legal mess where Ig had to go to court and say that the baby was his, but that he didn't have any intention of being a father to him. He didn't expect or want custody. Then Ken had to go and file to adopt his own wife's son. I mean, it was a disaster. But somehow, some way, they worked everything out. Both married couples decided to stay together. And to all appearances, everyone was handling everything like truly a very mature adult, way more mature than I would ever be in a situation like that. So that should have been the end of it, right? But obviously, it wasn't.

• 23:25Annie Elise?

  Because here everyone was now a few months later, and Heather was dead. So you might be hearing this and thinking, okay, Ig definitely had a motive to want Heather out of the way. He didn't want a divorce for whatever reason, but he might have still wanted to be done with her. And we also know he wasn't happy in his marriage, given all of the cheating. He also had the means to carry this out. He was a police officer after all. So he definitely had access to guns and knew how to shoot them. And it wouldn't have been that hard for him to pull up to the credit union when Heather got off work. But Ig wasn't the only person who had a motive to want Heather dead. Not at all. Shawna's husband Ken also knew about the affair, and he wouldn't be the first person to find out that their wife was cheating on him and to That murder was the only solution.

• 24:10Annie Elise?

  I don't know why Ken would want to take his anger out on Heather, though. The other innocent person in this situation, you know, rather than take his anger out on Shauna or Ig, who were the actual cheaters. But it's not like these kinds of crimes are always driven by logic either. Plus, there was a decent amount of evidence that pointed at Ken as the likely murderer. First, he was a bit of a gun nut. He loved going to ranges for fun. He owned a bunch of personal guns, in addition to the one that had been issued to him, of course, when he became a cop, as a police officer. But also, and probably the most damning piece of evidence pointing directly at Ken, was that the person in that Grim Reaper getup, who drove up to the credit union, in a truck that belonged to both Ken and Shauna.

• 24:54Annie Elise?

  Technically, it was both of theirs. But Shauna didn't really like driving it because it wasn't a very smooth ride. There was another car that she basically treated, you know, as her car, and she and Ken both considered the truck to be Ken's truck. And Heather's coworkers had no way of knowing these other details I'm about to share at the time, because they obviously didn't know what Ken's closet looked like, or what kind of clothing he owned. But if they did, they would have known that that black outfit that the Grim Reaper was wearing wasn't just something that they had picked up at a Halloween store, or something like that. The shooter also had on Ken's socks, his underwear, a baseball cap that was his, and a pair of men's shoes, which the killer actually left not too far from the scene, which the police later found.

• 25:37Annie Elise?

  So basically, even though they went to all of this trouble covering up their face and everything else, it was just screaming, "Ken did this. He was wearing his clothes, driving his truck. This was Ken." And it did not look good for him at all. But when the police officers started interviewing his friends, his coworkers, and basically everyone who knew him, they all said something odd. None of them even seemed to be considering the possibility that he might have done something to Heather. In fact, the witnesses all said that when the shooter said that Heather needed to get on her knees, and then said, "You ruined my life," it sounded like it was a woman speaking. One of the witnesses also said that he could tell that the shooter was a woman based on the way that she moved.

• 26:21Speaker 06

  You've indicated when the person left.

• 26:29Speaker 06

  That they left in a, in a particular manner? Were they running or walking or?

• 26:34Speaker 07

  Um, it was a jog slash walk.

• 26:36Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 26:37Speaker 07

  Um, heavyset woman, hasn't ran in a while. Um, tell by the feminine run.

• 26:41Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 26:42Speaker 07

  Um, like waddling almost.

• 26:44Annie Elise?

  And you hear the same thing from that other coworker who called 911. The woman who was so freaked out that the dispatcher could barely understand her. Once she calmed down enough to say what had happened, she also said that she thought that this shooter was a woman.

• 26:58Speaker 03

  I need you to tell me, how many people were involved? There was one person and she came out from nowhere. Okay, and a female that did the shooting? Huh? Was it a female that did the shooting? Well, yeah, it was female. We don't know. They said, they said it was a female. Star care. Okay, here's a, there's a witness here that saw her running down the alley. Okay, she's gonna stay there, okay? Okay. All right, stay there. Okay. Stay there. Okay, she's not going anywhere. She's gonna stay here. She was, must have been down the alley where the person ran. Oh my God. Oh my God. Do you know what she did with the gun? I don't know. I think she took it with her. And it was a female with long star care? Well, I, no, no, no, I don't, I don't know what she looks like.

• 27:40Speaker 03

  All I know is she was in a completely black robe and, um, like a Halloween dress. And a Halloween dress? And, um, and, um, and she had like black stuff all over her face, but I don't know if this woman that's over here, oh my God, oh my God, oh my God. Was she running south down, down the alley? Yes. Was she alone? Yes, she was alone. She was what? She was alone. She was alone, there was nobody else with her? No, no, no. Did she leave on foot or in a vehicle? Huh? Did she leave on foot or in a vehicle? On foot. She came on foot and left on foot. Okay. That way, because we're in a black Halloween robe.

• 28:25Speaker 03

  This one, this woman right here with the glasses, she saw. This lady right here, excuse me now. Is there an officer there? Are you going to see an officer? Are you cool? Are you talking to an officer there? I'm talking to a police officer, yes. I'm gonna let you go. You go ahead and talk to him, okay? Okay, thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much. Uh huh.

• 28:50Annie Elise?

  Plus, the police found some DNA on the bullet casings that they found out by the credit union where Heather was shot. Now, the bad news was, these bullet casings got really hot when the gun fired. The heat was bad enough that it damaged the DNA a little bit. It didn't destroy it entirely, but the police couldn't match it to any one specific person. It wasn't in good enough condition. They could tell some things, though, about whoever had held those bullets and loaded them into the gun, namely, that the person was, in fact, female. So again, it now, it couldn't be Ken. It couldn't be Ig. And on top of all of that, before Heather was killed, Heather actually told a bunch of her friends, including her family members, that she was afraid of her husband's mistress, AKA Shauna.

• 29:34Annie Elise?

  As it turns out, Shauna was extremely suspicious in a lot of other ways, too. Now, I want to go back a little bit and talk more about Shauna's affair with Ig, because, as it turns out, there was way more to it than what I covered already. And to put it very, very simply, from the beginning, Shauna was completely obsessed with Ig. Okay, so Shauna's obsession with Ig was, like, completely unhinged. It was to a degree that Shauna actually couldn't accept it when he decided to break things off. So, yeah, it was Ig who made the call that they were going to end things. Shauna came clean to Ken when she got pregnant with Ig's baby, but from the sounds of it, she was actually hoping to break up with Ken

• 30:18Annie Elise?

  and to get together with Ig and that they would raise the baby together. She was hoping they would start the divorce proceedings and everything else. Ig was the one who came back to Shauna, though, and said that, actually, he was gonna stay with his wife. Now, Shauna and Ken had already started their own divorce proceedings, and they only got back together once she realized that, you know, marrying Ig or even dating him was completely off the table. But even then, Shauna wasn't done with Ig, not by a long shot. And it started getting downright scary. So Shauna's becoming unhinged, just truly obsessed with Ig. She's pissed off that he's not leaving his wife for her, despite the fact that she's pregnant, and he tells her- Look, I'm not divorcing my wife.

• 31:01Annie Elise?

  I'm remaining married and I don't want anything to do with the son. You and Ken can raise it. So she freaks out and starts to become undone. And she started sending him text after text, just begging him to take her back and love her and be with her. And then when he kept refusing, she started threatening him. She would send him messages like, "My loyalty is gone. I loved and trusted you and you fucked me. Be prepared." Just a few hours later, she sent another text message, which read, "You have no heart." She even tracked down Heather's numbers and started sending unhinged text messages to her as well. For example, Shawna would taunt Heather by sending her photos of their baby, baby Christian, the baby that Shawna had with Ig.

• 31:45Annie Elise?

  And she would put the caption on the picture, quote, "Ig's flesh and blood," just trying to incite rage on Heather's behalf. Shawna even left voicemails for Ig and Heather. And those voicemails, they weren't as threatening and disturbing as the texts, but her tone? I mean, this clip that I'm gonna play for you is pretty unsettling, not because of what Shawna said, but because of how angry she sounded when she said it. Take a listen.

• 32:13Speaker 03

  You have one old message, Monday, 8:10 PM. Just so you know, I'm getting an attorney tomorrow and I will get a DNA test and you will pay me monthly.

• 32:27Annie Elise?

  You think that you guys have no money now? You're really gonna have no money later.

• 32:35Speaker 03

  End of message.

• 32:36Annie Elise?

  Now again, I know that the specific things that Shawna said in that voicemail weren't quite as bad as the text messages, but it's safe to say that I'm not the only one who thinks that it sounded off. Ig and Heather even had their numbers changed so that they could make it more difficult for Shawna to reach them, but it actually did not discourage her. Shawna was one of those people who apparently could just could not take the loss and move on and let it go, not at all. She kept finding ways to contact Ig and Heather. One time, Ig found a note that somebody had even left in Heather's car. The note just said- You will die. Now, Ig didn't have any way of proving that Shawna had written that note, but given everything else that she was texting to him and to Heather,

• 33:19Annie Elise?

  it wasn't too hard for him to, you know, make an educated guess. Shawna was just acting incredibly possessive and unhinged, and it really does sound like, to some degree, she thought that she and Ig were meant to be together, like they were soulmates or something. And maybe, in her mind, that justified her behavior a little bit.

• 33:39Speaker 05

  During your relationship with Mr. Garrus, did you have a tattoo placed on your ankle?

• 33:48Speaker 04

  I did.

• 33:50Speaker 05

  And does that refer to Mr. Garrus?

• 33:55Speaker 04

  It does.

• 33:56Speaker 05

  And what is the word that is tattooed on your ankle?

• 34:00Speaker 04

  It says "anyaki."

• 34:02Speaker 05

  Okay. And what did you understand that to mean?

• 34:06Speaker 04

  He had told me that it was "basque" for Ignacio.

• 34:10Speaker 05

  Why did you do that? Why did you have that tattoo put on?

• 34:14Speaker 04

  I have several tattoos.

• 34:17Speaker 04

  With my first husband, I had a tribal tattoo put on my back.

• 34:25Speaker 04

  It's just kind of my belief of tattoos is that's the kind of way that I show my life story. So I had that put on my back for my first husband. Ken and I had matching tattoos. Mine was of a flower, his was of a symbol on his arm, and then both of them said "KSDJ" for Ken, Shawna, Dylan, and Jordan. And then after this abortion happened, to me, it kind of was symbolizing a time in my life. So I put that on my ankle.

• 34:59Annie Elise?

  So in light of what these tattoos represented to Shawna, you know, all the significance that they had, did Ken not once think that it was weird that she was getting another man's name put on her ankle? Did she have some sort of way of explaining it? I don't know. I do know, though, that once Ig realized what Shawna had done, he was super freaked out. He was like, "Wow, you're clearly a lot more committed to this affair than I am."

• 35:29Speaker 06

  Did you ever ask her to get this tattoo? Uh, no. What was your reaction when she showed it to you? It disturbed me. Why?

• 35:41Speaker 06

  She altered her body

• 35:44Speaker 06

  with my name

• 35:47Speaker 06

  on what? I, I, it, I guess it's hard, but why would someone alter their body? We had not that type of relationship. Why the heck would she put her, my name on her body?

• 36:01Annie Elise?

  So clearly, after he and Shawna broke up, there was a mismatch there, a huge miscommunication. Shawna thought that she and Ig were going to be together forever. Yet Ig was signaling that he wanted nothing to do with her anymore. He wanted to make things work with his wife Heather. And then you have this killer, who sounds like she has a woman's voice. She apparently runs like a heavyset woman. She's singling Heather out, saying she ruined her life and saying, "Get on your knees," and then shooting her. All signs point to Shawna, right? The only problem with that theory was all of the evidence against Ken that I talked about before. How the shooter was wearing his clothes, driving his truck. However, the police then started doing a little bit of digging.

• 36:44Annie Elise?

  And they came up with a new theory that explained all of that away. So the thinking was that Shawna may have framed her own husband Ken for killing Heather. That way, Ken would go away to prison, and Heather would be dead, and Shawna and Ig would be free to be together. In this scenario, Shawna took Ken's truck and drove it to the credit union to commit this murder. Which, to remind you, was actually Ken and Shawna's truck together. They both shared it. They owned it together. And even though Shawna didn't like driving it, it's not like it would have been difficult for her to get access to it, or like she didn't know how to drive it at all. She also wouldn't have a hard time getting her hands on one of Ken's guns, which he kept in their home.

• 37:25Annie Elise?

  I don't know for sure if she used one of his guns or not, because the murder weapon was never recovered. But if she did, it might have been because she was thinking that it would be okay if the police did the ballistics tests. All of the results would then lead them once again back to Ken, not to her. And the theory goes that she wore Ken's clothing too, all in hopes that somebody would recognize the items and think that he did it. I don't know why this framing plan was so detailed that she felt like she had to wear Ken's socks and underwear, because I don't think men's socks tend to be super distinctive and somebody's going to recognize them, but maybe she thought that the gun residue would get on some of them. Maybe she thought that some of Heather's DNA and that if they came and did a search

• 38:09Annie Elise?

  warrant of the house, they would find the blood or DNA or gunshot residue on Ken's clothing. Who really knows? But I mean, it was meticulous, right? Now, I don't want to make it sound like the police were just going off of hunches or theories either. So far, the witnesses all said that they thought that the shooter sounded like a woman. But we know, of course, that that's not enough on its own to prove that Shawna did it. Not at all. However, it was enough for the police to put out a notice that all of the officers who were on duty should all watch out for Shawna and for Shawna's truck. Now, like I mentioned before, Shawna's husband Ken was a police officer, just like Ig. Ig was off duty, relaxing at home with his daughter Victoria, when he got a phone call from one of Heather's coworkers.

• 38:52Annie Elise?

  She told him everything that she had witnessed, and Ig could not even believe it.

• 38:56Speaker 06

  I needed to know what was going on with Heather. Did you take Victoria with you? Yes, I couldn't leave her home alone. And when you got to the credit union, was your wife there? Excuse me? Was your wife at the credit union when you arrived on that scene? I, I, I'm under the assumption she was. Did you see her at that time? No. I was stopped. At some point in time, did you go to the hospital? Yes. Did you drive there yourself, or did somebody drive you? No, they, um, I left my vehicle out at the credit union. They had, um, Mike Zeller, a sergeant with the police department, a friend of mine, loaded Victoria and I up and took us to Northern Colorado Medical Center.

• 39:41Speaker 06

  How did you find out about this?

• 39:48Speaker 05

  ...of your wife.

• 39:51Speaker 06

  Being a police officer, I knew the back door code to the ER. I knew where the trauma room was.

• 40:02Speaker 06

  And I went directly to the trauma room. And a doctor that's a friend of mine was treating Heather. And he blocked my entrance into, Peter Maxwell blocked my entrance into the trauma room.

• 40:12Speaker 05

  Did you find out?

• 40:13Speaker 06

  He told me Heather was dead.

• 40:15Annie Elise?

  Then Ken was on duty when he heard this voice come over the walkie talkie saying that Shawna was wanted in relation to a violent crime. And at first, it just didn't make any sense to him. He's like, what are you talking about? Why am I hearing that my wife is wanted for a violent crime? What's going on? He couldn't think of why anyone would be putting a police bulletin out for his wife Shawna. But then, his second thought was that even though he didn't understand what was going on, whatever it was, was bad. And it could affect his family. So he was worried that his children might be in danger somehow. It's not clear why exactly he thought that, but I guess he was just going off impulse. Almost thinking like, if she's in a bad enough situation and desperate, anything could happen. She could be capable of anything.

• 40:59Annie Elise?

  So he decided to drive home to check on his three children. Dylan, Jordan, and of course, little baby Christian, who Ken at this point had adopted. But before he could get into his house, he actually drove by his own truck that was out on the street. He of course, recognized it, and he knew that his wife Shawna had to be inside. Which, what a wild coincidence, right? All of these police officers were out searching for Shawna in this exact truck. And then, the person who found her and found the truck was the one officer who wasn't looking for her at all. It was her husband who was just trying to drive home and find his kids. But anyway, keep in mind, Ken and his partner were still in their squad car at this point. So when they saw the truck, they put on their lights, put on their sirens, and they pulled Shawna over.

• 41:43Annie Elise?

  And Ken ran up to the driver's seat and he just screamed at her, "What have you done?" Just freaking out. And he was so angry, in fact, that his partner was worried that he might hurt Shawna. He actually ran over to the car himself to protect her from Ken. And then? Ken and his partner arrested Shauna. The partner drove her back to the station in his squad car and Ken took the truck and drove off. And I know it's super weird that they left him alone with a truck that's evidence in a murder case where the wife is the suspect, but Ken was still acting really worried about his kids and he sounded like he just wanted to get home right away. His partner felt really bad for him. He had empathy for him, so he just let him go.

• 42:23Annie Elise?

  Then, when some police officers searched the truck later on, they found that grim reaper mask and the black cape inside of it. This all perfectly matched everything that the witnesses saw the shooter wearing. But one thing that they never found was the murder weapon. And I've gotta say, the whole story behind this is shady AF.

• 42:47Annie Elise?

  So, when Ken was supposed to be driving home to go check on his kids, he actually pulled over at the side of the road somewhere out of the way. There were a bunch of high school students in the area and they saw Ken get out of the truck. Then they saw him reach back inside the truck and grab something. Those high school students didn't have the best view, so they couldn't say for sure what he took or what he did with the thing that he grabbed afterward. But given how the murder weapon was so conveniently never recovered and went missing, it definitely was not a good look for Ken. And it's wild to me to think that he might have helped his wife cover up a murder, especially right after she basically tried to frame him for the murder. Now, I guess in his defense, at this point in time, if he did throw the gun, he didn't know that she was trying to frame him yet.

• 43:32Annie Elise?

  But it was still just a very bizarre move on his part, whatever happened. I mean, I get that he loved Shauna, but for this woman to basically stab him in the back over and over and over again, first with the affair, then with this frame up, and for him to keep just standing by her after all of this, it's pretty mind blowing, right? But it's also entirely possible that Ken was just panicking and that he wasn't trying to help her at all. Maybe he really was trying to drive back home and then he saw the gun in the truck and realized it was one of his, so he needed to get rid of it. And maybe he had some sort of, you know, knee jerk reaction, like, "Ugh, I don't know, I just gotta toss this, I gotta dump it." Who can really say? It was a huge mess. And Ken actually did eventually get arrested for evidence tampering.

• 44:15Annie Elise?

  But nobody ended up pressing charges because they didn't have any proof that he really did take the gun. He also ended up quitting the police force entirely, but it's not clear to me if this was an entirely voluntary resignation, or if this was one of those, you know, hey, you gotta resign, you gotta quit, and we'll give you your pension, or we're gonna fire you. I don't know what kind of situation it was. But either way, the missing gun was less than helpful for the murder investigation. However, the mask and the clothing in the car, it did help a little bit. Plus, let's talk more about those black men's shoes, because remember how I said the shooter was wearing a Halloween mask and a cloak over some of Ken's clothing and underwear? Well, the killer was also wearing men's shoes. But these men's shoes were not Ken's.

• 44:59Annie Elise?

  Now, I'm guessing this was just more stupid, nonsensical decision-making on her part, but Shawna probably has different-sized feet from Ken. I don't know for sure. Nobody was reporting on her shoe size when she got arrested. But very generally, men tend to have bigger feet than women. So it does seem safe to assume. And if you've ever put on a pair of shoes that are a size or two, you know, too big, you know it's basically impossible to walk around. You can't shoot someone then run away from the scene of a crime in shoes that don't really fit you. So my assumption here, keeping in mind that this is all speculation, is that Shawna bought a pair of men's shoes in her own size, so that she could still move around and walk and, you know, be, what is that word I'm looking for, like agile, as she's committing this crime.

• 45:44Annie Elise?

  Then if anybody happened to glance down and look at her feet, they would see that there are men's shoes, not women's shoes. So it would help her keep up appearances that Ken was the real killer. But instead, they were basically just one more piece of evidence for the police to use against her. And that's because they found the shoes on the road midway between the place where Heather got shot and where Shawna was pulled over. Right there, on the side of the road on her escape route. The shoes had Shawna's DNA all over them, and they also had gunshot residue on them. So even though you were trying to be really smart there, Shawna, not so much. Now on top of all of that, the investigators eventually found a witness who was an absolute goldmine. It was Shawna's best friend, Michelle Moore.

• 46:29Annie Elise?

  Now, Michelle was a police officer, and Shawna knew her through work. And honestly, that sounds like that was the only way that Shawna really met anybody. It's how she and Ig first got introduced. I don't know if that's how she met her husband Ken, but since he was a cop too, it's possible. But anyway, Michelle and Shawna had known each other for years. Actually, for even longer than Shawna had known Ig. And even though Michelle knew Shawna was having an affair and trying to keep everything covered up, she stood by her best friend through all of it. And as a crime scene investigator, Michelle knew all about what the police look for when they're trying to solve a crime. This meant that she knew how to cover up a crime, at least in theory. Now, given what a shitty job Shawna did framing her husband, I've got to think that neither

• 47:12Annie Elise?

  one of them really knew what they were doing if Michelle was in fact helping her. I do know, though, that before Shawna shot Heather, Shawna went to Michelle and she asked her all sorts of questions. All these questions about what was the best way to kill somebody and not get caught? How can you set somebody else up to take the fall? Things like that. So Michelle gave Shawna all those tips. But again, it didn't work out too well for her. So once the police figured out that Michelle was involved, they pulled her into an interrogation. And there, she confessed to everything. She laid out how the whole murder was premeditated, how it was Shawna's idea from the very beginning, how she knew about it, everything.

• 47:53Annie Elise?

  Now, for basically helping Shawna plan everything, Michelle, of course, got arrested and she was charged with conspiracy to commit first degree murder and criminal attempt to commit first degree murder. She agreed, though, to keep cooperating with the police, probably in exchange as part of a plea deal. But basically, Shawna did not have a leg to stand on by the time that her trial started on February 21st, 2008. She was facing charges of first degree murder, which could have ended up with her being sentenced to life in prison with no chance of parole whatsoever. So because of that, I get that she was willing to basically say whatever she had to. in order to be found not guilty, but she'd have to come up with a pretty out there story to explain away all of the evidence, you know, the mask in the car, the threatening calls,

• 48:38Annie Elise?

  the text messages, planning everything in advance with Michelle, her DNA, all that. It would have to be a very elaborate story to even get a droplet of reasonable doubt. But let's just say she did not disappoint. Shawna said that she had nothing to do with the murder at all. She just happened to be at home that day and then she got in the truck and left her kids, you know, completely unattended because she got some sort of sudden craving for wine and she was driving down to the store to pick up a bottle. So when her husband pulled her over for the arrest, she says she had no idea what was going on or that Heather was even dead, let alone that she was a suspect in the murder. Yes, Shawna did admit that she had an affair with Ig and that she handled the breakup really

• 49:23Annie Elise?

  badly for sure. I mean, she didn't deny that she had sent some really inappropriate text messages and left some very disturbing voicemails as well.

• 49:31Speaker 04

  We had joked that Heather called Ig every 12 minutes. And at that point, I pretty much knew that I didn't care if she found out. So I sent that message actually to Ig's phone. Heather, if you're reading this, you're a psycho bitch. I did send that.

• 49:52Speaker 05

  Anytime, anywhere, bitch. Did you send this text message?

• 49:56Speaker 04

  I did, and that one I sent to Heather's phone, not to Ig's.

• 50:00Speaker 05

  Why did you send that text message?

• 50:04Speaker 04

  Because I thought if she knew that I knew her cellphone number, that she would then leave me alone. Heather's sister quite a few times in conversation. And so I knew what her name was. The day before, I had received call after call after call of anonymous phone calls. And I didn't answer them. And finally, it just, it got to the point where I had to answer it. And it was a woman and she said...

• 50:40Speaker 04

  Um, your cellphone number is on my, my caller ID. And I said, no, I haven't called anybody today. And she said, so could it have been, she said, who is this? And I said, who is this? And she said, well, it doesn't matter. Could it have been a wrong number? And I said, apparently, because I haven't made any phone calls. And then I started thinking about everything that was going on and I thought

• 51:08Speaker 04

  that could have been Heather's sister. So what I did was I just called information to see if there was a number for her. And I was gonna just call and listen to her voice and see if that's in fact who had called me.

• 51:25Speaker 05

  Did you talk to Andy Jones?

• 51:27Speaker 04

  No, I didn't. The number, I blocked my call to the residence. And then that specific number said that it didn't take blocked calls. And I thought, this is stupid, I'm not gonna go any farther with it. So I just, I didn't try again.

• 51:46Annie Elise?

  So the way Shawna put it is, it was all just her lashing out. She totally got why Heather was afraid of her and why all of Heather's friends immediately assumed that she did it. I mean, the woman was calling Heather's sister from a blocked number. But even though she tried to explain it away on the stand and make it sound like it was perfectly logical and, you know, a perfectly logical way of dealing with things, it was unhinged. But according to Shawna, she never actually planned to hurt Heather. It was all just bad luck that the woman that she had been harassing happened to get killed by somebody else. And as for the black robe in the back of her car and the mask, she said, easy, it was just an old Halloween costume. And Michelle, the best friend's testimony?

• 52:28Annie Elise?

  Well, to hear Shawna tell it, Michelle was just pissed off at her because Shawna had dumped her. Which, yes, let's just let that sink in. According to Shawna, not only did she cheat on her husband with ig, she also was sleeping with her coworkers and kinda sleeping her way through her whole friend group with all of her coworkers.

• 52:46Speaker 05

  Approximately, when did your friendship with Michelle Moore, uh, develop?

• 52:52Speaker 04

  It was sometime in August of 2004.

• 52:58Speaker 05

  Okay. Did your relationship with Michelle Moore become more than friendship?

• 53:06Speaker 04

  Yes, it did.

• 53:07Speaker 05

  And did it develop into an intimate relationship?

• 53:12Speaker 04

  Yes, it did.

• 53:13Speaker 05

  When did that occur?

• 53:16Speaker 04

  Not too long after meeting her in August of 2004. I would say probably just the next month.

• 53:25Speaker 05

  Have you kept that relationship a secret?

• 53:30Speaker 04

  Very much so.

• 53:31Speaker 05

  And why?

• 53:37Speaker 04

  None of this is stuff that I'm very proud of.

• 53:44Speaker 04

  It's kind of embarrassing. And I didn't, both of us made the decision that we weren't going to tell anybody.

• 53:54Annie Elise?

  So Shawna said on the stand that she and Michelle were lovers. An allegation that I'll note right now, Michelle absolutely denied. And according to Shawna, when she decided to break up with Michelle, Michelle in turn got angry and spiteful and decided to get revenge. So that's why Michelle made up this elaborate testimony.

• 54:14Speaker 04

  I was driving Michelle home and told her that I no longer

• 54:25Speaker 04

  could have a sexual relationship with her. That I had been thinking about it all through our drinks. And that since I was trying to actually maybe finally be loyal to Ken, that I needed to completely fess up. And that I was going to go home and tell Ken also about my relationship with Michelle. And I told her I loved her.

• 54:57Speaker 04

  And that I still wanted to remain friends with her, but I couldn't keep lying to Ken. It was just, it was too much.

• 55:09Speaker 05

  What was Michelle Moore's reaction to that?

• 55:13Speaker 04

  She was very upset.

• 55:15Annie Elise?

  According to Shawna, Michelle went to the police with this made up story about them planning the murder together, and this was specifically done to get Shawna in trouble. I mean, she was trying to throw anything she could to stick to the wall and get out of these charges or create reasonable doubt. The problem was, the jury was not buying anything she was selling. And after just one day in deliberation, they found Shawna guilty of first degree murder. Her sentence was the maximum that was allowed, which is life in prison with no parole. Now, I think Shawna was a real piece of work. I mean, the stalking, the obsession, the picking the fights with Heather, and that was all before she even got around to actually committing the murder.

• 55:56Annie Elise?

  But her friend Michelle, whether you think they were lovers or just toxic friends or whatever, obviously also had something weird going on with her too. Because you don't just teach your friend, best friend or not, how to kill people, you know, as you're just sipping mimosas at brunch and giving them all the tips and tricks of the trade. What she did was very dangerous, very reckless, and extremely unethical. However, by the time that she had to face the music for her conspiracy and murder charges, Michelle was completely playing the victim. She agreed to a plea bargain, so there ended up being no actual trial, just the sentencing hearing. But during the hearing, Michelle's father actually tried to make it sound like the reason Michelle helped Shawna commit this murder was because she was just a nice, friendly person.

• 56:41Annie Elise?

  He actually said that she had such strong instincts to help people who were in trouble, that when Shawna came to her with a problem, Michelle just had this knee jerk reaction to want to help her solve the problem. Even if that problem that she needed help with was literally murdering someone. And it's pretty hard to imagine that Michelle really was such a great thoughtful person, murder aside, because less than 48 hours before the sentencing hearing, even began, Michelle got arrested for completely unrelated charges. She was drunk driving. Now, thank God, Michelle didn't actually hurt or kill anyone before she got pulled over, but the fact that she decided to get behind the wheel of a car after she had been drinking really didn't do much to make her seem like she cared about other human lives, right?

• 57:24Annie Elise?

  It just seemed reckless and it seems like she just didn't care. So with that, it's probably no surprise that the judge decided to give her the maximum penalty. Because of the deal that she negotiated, it was still only nine years in prison. But at least Michelle didn't walk off scot-free. And nobody bought her whole, you know, woe is me, I'm only a murderer because I'm so nice kind of act, not at all. It was like, let's lock you up for as long as we can and throw away the key. Now, since she got that sentence in 2008, that means that Michelle is free again. I haven't been able to find any information about what she's been up to since her release, but I do hope that she's keeping her head down and she's staying out of trouble. Now, as for Heather, my heart absolutely shatters for Heather because she died just

• 58:08Annie Elise?

  because she was unlucky enough to be married to the man that Shawna was obsessed with. And all the kids, Heather's kids, Shawna's kids, everybody's kids, none of them have moms anymore. That is so incredibly devastating. Ken ended up raising all three of Shawna's children, including Christian, who was biologically Ig's baby, but remember, he had agreed to step up and adopt him, but he ended up raising all of them as his own. And I think that that's pretty remarkable because he didn't have to. And even though Christian wasn't his biological child, he didn't do anything wrong in any of this. He didn't force his mom to have an affair and Ken loved him anyway and Ken was able to give him a healthy home. But this story is also so incredibly sad for Heather and Ig's only child, Victoria.

• 58:51Annie Elise?

  Ig raised her for a while, but when Victoria was 15 years old, she went to go live with some family friends instead. I'm not sure why, but I do know that she was taking classes at some sort of fancy arts high school and she wanted to go to college to learn how to design video games when she graduated. But unfortunately, that didn't work out because on Friday, March 13th, 2015, she was driving when she swerved to avoid a pot- Hole in the road. When she did, she lost control of her car and she ended up crashing into a tree. Victoria was only 17 years old and she died in this car accident. So my heart also breaks for Ig, even though he's a cheating dirtbag who this whole thing, in my opinion, could have been avoided if he didn't have an affair, not to put the blame solely on him.

• 59:35Annie Elise?

  I mean, also Shauna was like an unhinged lunatic, but my heart breaks for him because he lost his only daughter so suddenly. And just a couple of years after his wife was murdered, kind of in a roundabout way, you could say because of his actions. Both of those deaths were just so completely senseless and by chance, and that is an awful thing to have to deal with. Now, I've said this before, and I will say it again, if you are not happy in your marriage, just get a divorce. Don't go sneaking around. Definitely don't kill anyone. It is never worth it. And I think that needs to be my new tagline, like just get a divorce. But I do want to know from you guys, okay? What do you guys think? Because I want to know, did you buy any part of Shauna's story?

• 1:00:19Annie Elise?

  Do you think that she and Michelle really were sleeping together? I personally think planning a murder with somebody goes well beyond the boundaries of a normal friendship, but that doesn't automatically mean that they were having sex. But I also don't think that they were just casual friends either. But also, what about those reports that Ken maybe removed and tossed the gun from Shauna's car when he arrested her? What's the truth there? What's the deal with all of that? So let me know what you guys think, either in the Q and A section on Spotify or in the review section over on Apple Podcasts. Thank you guys so much for tuning into another episode with me today. I will be back on the mic with you first thing on Thursday morning with headline highlights, where we are breaking down everything going on in the true crime world this week.

• 1:00:59Annie Elise?

  And we also, of course, have our ad-free bonus episodes that you can get access to through Patreon or through Apple Podcasts. Sorry, it was taking me a minute to think about that. We do every single Friday, an exclusive ad-free case that gets loaded on Apple Podcasts and Patreon. Right now, if you sign up for that, which you can do so through Apple or through Patreon, but right now, if you sign up for that, you can unlock like, I think it's like 65 bonus episodes. So if you feel like you still need content to be There is plenty for you. All right, guys. Thank you, guys, so much for tuning in. Until the next one, stay safe, be nice, don't kill people, and just get a divorce. All right, guys. Thanks so much. Bye.

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