Campus Crimes: The Murder of Patrick Dennehy

The fourth and final episode of Campus Crimes examines the 2003 murder of Baylor basketball player Patrick Dennehy, who was shot and killed by his own teammate... but the crime that followed may have been even colder. Head coach Dave Bliss, facing exposure for recruiting violations, launched a calculated scheme to brand Dennehy a drug dealer after his death, recorded in his own words on a hidden tape. One young assistant coach risked everything to stop it. If you’re new here, don’t forget to follow Serial Killers & Murderous Minds to never miss a case! Want all 2 parts of every case all at once? Join Crime House+ and get both parts of each case dropped together on Monday ad-free. Join atcrimehouseplus.com http://crimehouseplus.com or if you’re listening on Apple Podcasts, tap “Try Free” at the top of this show’s page. Serial Killers & Murderous Minds is a Crime House Original Podcast, powered by PAVE Studios. 🎧 Need More to Binge? Listen to other Crime House Originals Clues, Crimes Of Reddit, Murder True Crime Stories, Crime House 24/7, and more wherever you get your podcasts! Follow me on Social Instagram: @Crimehouse https://www.instagram.com/crimehouse/TikTok: @Crimehouse https://www.tiktok.com/@crimehouseFacebook: @crimehousestudios https://www.facebook.com/crimehousestudiosYouTube: @crimehousestudios https://www.youtube.com/@crimehousestudios

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• 0:01Vanessa Richardson?

  Hi, everyone. Before today's episode, there's another show I want to tell you about. It's called What the Fact with Connor Tomlinson from Netflix's Love on the Spectrum and Carter Roy. Every week, they take three unbelievable true facts from history and tell you the full story behind them. Plus, Connor's infectious energy that'll make you realize history is the most fascinating thing on earth. Follow What the Fact wherever you listen, or subscribe on YouTube at What the Fact Pod.

• 0:36Speaker 01

  This is Crime House.

• 0:41Vanessa Richardson?

  In the summer of 2003, a 21-year-old college basketball player disappeared. He was six feet, 10 inches tall, a gifted forward with a real shot at the NBA, and he'd vanished without a trace from a university town in Texas. His car turned up hundreds of miles away in Virginia with the license plates stripped off. His dogs hadn't been fed in days. For six weeks, no one knew where he was. Then, six weeks after he was last seen, they found him in a gravel pit outside of town. When the answers started coming, they were almost too sad to believe. He'd been shot by his own teammate, a friend, a young

• 1:25Vanessa Richardson?

  man he'd trusted. That would be enough for most stories, a promising life ended by someone close to him. But this story doesn't stop there, because once the investigators started pulling on the threads of that killing, they found something underneath it that was even uglier. Not a crime of rage or fear, but a crime of calculation, a cover-up, and at the center of it, a man in a position of enormous trust, caught on a hidden tape recorder, coldly working out how to protect himself. His plan was to lie about a dead man who could no longer defend himself. And in his own recorded words, the plan had a name.

• 2:07Vanessa Richardson?

  "What we have to do," he said, "is create the reasonable doubt."

• 2:25Vanessa Richardson?

  This is Serial Killers and Murderous Minds, a Crime House original. I'm Vanessa Richardson, and for the last month, I've been spending my Sundays with you on the American college campus in a four-part special. Today, we come to the end of it. Thank you for being part of the Crime House community. Please rate, review, and follow the show. If you're a Crime House Plus member, all four episodes of Campus Crimes are available right now, completely ad-free. If you haven't joined yet, go to crimehouseplus.com or tap Try Free on the Serial Killers and Murderous Minds show page on Apple Podcasts. Along with early access to this series, you'll also get every episode of this show and the rest of the Crime House lineup ad-free and early.

• 3:10Vanessa Richardson?

  A campus is a place of enormous promise. It's where futures are built and young minds are nourished, where people arrive to become who they're going to be. But that same place can also become the setting for something monstrous. During this series, we've looked at crimes that erased the very futures a campus exists to create. Bright lives cut short in the place that was supposed to launch them. And in each one, when the worst happened, the people in charge had to decide what they would protect: the people who were harmed, or the institution's good name. Before we begin, a warning. This episode describes a shooting death and gun violence, and it touches on serious mental illness. Please take care while listening.

• 3:55Vanessa Richardson?

  Our first three stops were about institutions that hid an ugly truth: a poisoning covered up, a killing filed away as an accident, a murder left unsolved so a reputation could stay intact. Today's story follows that same instinct, taken to its cruelest extreme. Because this time, the people protecting the institution didn't just stay quiet. One of them tried to rewrite the story of a murdered young man, to paint him, after his death, as a criminal, so that the truth about the program he played for would never come out. His name was Patrick Dennehy. He was a college basketball player with a future in the game,

• 4:36Vanessa Richardson?

  and in the summer of 2003, he was shot and killed by his teammate. That alone made national news, but what turned it into one of the most disgraceful scandals in the history of college sports was what his head coach did next, a scheme so cold it was caught, word for word, on a hidden tape. In this episode, I'll introduce you to Patrick Dennehy and the dream he was chasing. We'll talk about the summer he disappeared, the terrible thing that happened to him, and the cover-up underneath it all: a coach's plan to protect himself by smearing a dead player, and the one man on his staff who refused to go along. And

• 5:18Vanessa Richardson?

  it brings us one last time to the question that has run beneath this entire series: When an institution is faced with something terrible, who does it choose to protect? And what happens to the person who decides to speak the truth?

• 5:38Vanessa Richardson?

  Patrick James Dennehy grew up in Santa Clara, California, in the heart of what's now Silicon Valley. From a young age, he was an athlete, and not just any athlete. By the time he finished high school, he'd grown to six feet, 10 inches tall, with the kind of size and skill that makes college recruiters take notice. He was a forward, big and mobile and quick for his size. And he had a dream that felt, for someone with his gifts, entirely within reach. Patrick Dennehy wanted to play in the NBA. The people who knew him describe a warm, easygoing young man, well-liked and close to his family back in California. He loved his dogs. He was exactly the kind of young man a college is supposed to take in

• 6:22Vanessa Richardson?

  and send back out into the world better than he arrived. For a kid with professional ambitions, every step along the way matters: which school, which coach, which system, how much you play, and who's watching when you do. Dennehy started his college career at the University of New Mexico, where he spent two seasons and showed real promise. But by 2002, he wanted more: a bigger platform, a program that could put him in front of the scouts who decide who gets a shot at the next level. So he transferred after a coach at Baylor University came calling, and that decision is what brought him to Waco, Texas.

• 7:03Vanessa Richardson?

  The coach's name was Dave Bliss. He was a veteran of the college game, man with hundreds of career wins and a long resume. He'd come up in the sport under famous names and had run programs at several schools. Baylor, a private Baptist university, had never been a basketball powerhouse, but Bliss had been hired to change that. In big-time college basketball, that kind of mandate comes with enormous pressure and temptation. Winning brings money, attention, and job security. Losing ends careers, and the men who thrive in that world are often the ones willing to do whatever it takes to land the players

• 7:42Vanessa Richardson?

  who win the games. Dave Bliss wanted Patrick Dennehy to help him win, and he went after him hard. According to Dennehy's own family, the coach lured him to Baylor with the full package: a scholarship, a place to live, even a brand-new Chevy Tahoe to drive. For a young man chasing a professional career, it was a compelling offer, a signal that this program believed in him and would take care of him. Later, that detail would take on a much darker meaning. But at the time, it looked like nothing more than a school going all-in on a player it wanted. Dennehy accepted and transferred to Baylor in 2002.

• 8:23Vanessa Richardson?

  Under NCAA rules, a player who transfers has to sit out a year before he can compete, so Dennehy spent the 2002-2003 season as what's called a "red shirt," practicing every day with the team, learning the system, staying in shape, but not playing a single game. By the summer of 2003, the waiting was nearly over. He was preparing for the upcoming season, one that was finally going to be his. Somewhere in that time, Dennehy grew close to another player who had taken a similar path to Baylor. His name was Carlton Dotson. Dotson was a junior, a forward like Dennehy, and he had transferred in from a junior college in Paris, Texas. The two of them had a lot

• 9:07Vanessa Richardson?

  in common: both transfers, both new to the program, both outsiders finding their footing in a new place, far from where they'd grown up. They became fast friends. By that summer, they were close enough that people thought of them as a pair: teammates, roommates at times, and genuine friends. And that's what makes the next part so hard to comprehend. In the early summer of 2003, something began to go wrong, though no one has ever fully untangled what it was. Both Dennehy and Dotson started telling people around them that they felt unsafe. They said they'd been threatened. According to later accounts, the threats came from other players on the team, and they were serious enough that the

• 9:50Vanessa Richardson?

  two young men became convinced they needed to protect themselves. So they did something drastic. They bought guns, two pistols and a rifle. The two friends would drive out to open land north of Waco to practice shooting them. A friend of Dennehy's would later say that he'd spoken to Dennehy by phone in the middle of June and that Dennehy told him he was worried, specifically about threats that had been made against Dotson. Picture it for a second: two young athletes supposedly living the dream at a Division One program, and yet, they were supposedly so afraid of their own teammates, they were arming themselves and learning how to shoot. Whatever was really happening that summer,

• 10:32Vanessa Richardson?

  the situation seemed like it would end dangerously. And it did. The last time anyone saw Patrick Dennehy was on June 12, 2003.

• 10:47Vanessa Richardson?

  At first, no one realized anything was wrong. It was summer, players came and went, sometimes home for the break or off on their own. But then the small signs came. Dennehy and Dotson had both told people they would be at a party, and neither one showed up. Dennehy's family back in California grew uneasy when Father's Day came and went with no phone call, which was not like him at all. And then Dennehy's roommate came home from a trip out of town to find that Dennehy's dogs had not been fed in days. Patrick loved those dogs. He would never have left them like that, not willingly. Something was wrong. On June 19th, a week after Dennehy was last seen, his mother Valerie and his stepfather

• 11:32Vanessa Richardson?

  Brian filed a missing person report with the Waco Police. Their son, the 6'10" basketball player with the NBA dream, had simply disappeared. As the police began to search, the case took an ominous turn. On June 25th, Patrick Dennehy's car was found, not in Texas, but nearly 1,500 miles away in Virginia Beach, Virginia. The license plates had been removed. This was no longer the case of a player who had wandered off. Something had happened to Patrick Dennehy, and the search was about to lead investigators to the last person anyone ever suspected: his good friend.

• 12:25Vanessa Richardson?

  For weeks, the case of Patrick Dennehy was a national news story. It had all the elements: a gifted young athlete, a mysterious vanishing, a frantic search, a famous university. The morning shows covered it, the cable networks covered it, reporters descended on Waco, and Patrick's face was on TV night after night. Behind the scenes, investigators in several states were chasing the one lead that mattered most: where was he and what had happened to him? The break came from far outside Texas. An informant contacted the police with a chilling secondhand account. He said that Carlton Dotson, Dennehy's friend and teammate, had said something to a relative

• 13:10Vanessa Richardson?

  that he could never take back, that he and Dennehy had gotten into an argument while they were out shooting their guns, and that Dotson had shot him. For the people who knew the two young men, it was almost impossible to absorb. Dotson was not a stranger or a rival. He was Patrick's friend, one of the closest people to him at Baylor. By this point, Dotson was no longer in Texas. He had left Waco and gone home to Maryland, and his behavior there was, by every account, troubling. He reached out to the authorities himself. He told them he thought he needed help. He said he needed counseling, and he told them he was hearing voices.

• 13:52Vanessa Richardson?

  This is a thread that runs through the rest of Carlton Dotson's story, and it has to be handled with care because it is real and it is serious. By the accounts of the people around him and the professionals who would later examine him, Dotson was a young man in the grip of a genuine mental health crisis. That fact does not excuse what he did, and it does not lessen what was taken from Patrick Dennehy, but it is part of understanding how this happened, and it would come to shape everything about the legal case that followed. On July 21st, 2003, based on the informant's account and the mounting evidence, Carlton Dotson was charged with murder and taken into custody in Maryland.

• 14:36Vanessa Richardson?

  But there was still one piece missing. The investigators had a suspect and an account of a shooting, but what they did not yet have was Patrick Dennehy. That changed five days later. On July 25th, in a gravel pit in the countryside just beyond Waco, searchers found a body. It had been there for weeks, through the worst of the summer heat. Two days later, it was confirmed to be Patrick Dennehy. On July 30th, his death was officially ruled a homicide. He'd been shot twice in the head. In the weeks that followed, the people who loved Patrick Dennehy gathered to mourn him.

• 15:18Vanessa Richardson?

  There was a memorial service near his family's home in California and another on the Baylor campus. There, the university came together to grieve a young man who had never gotten the chance to play a game for them. He was remembered as a son, a teammate, a friend, and a kid with a future that had just been stolen. Dotson's account was that he'd acted in self-defense. He claimed that Dennehy had pointed a gun at him and pulled the trigger, and that the gun had jammed. Only then had Dotson fired back to save his own life. It's the kind of story that, if true, would change the meaning of everything. But the physical evidence did not support it.

• 16:00Vanessa Richardson?

  The autopsy showed that Dennehy had been shot twice at close range in the temple. Medical examiners said that is not consistent with a man firing to defend himself against someone aiming a gun in his face. The self-defense story didn't hold up. What followed was a long and complicated legal road, and much of it turned on Carlton Dotson's mental state. In October of 2004, more than a year after his arrest, a judge declared him incompetent to stand trial and sent him to a state mental hospital. This is a specific legal finding, not a verdict on guilt, but a determination that a defendant is too impaired to understand the proceedings against him or help in his own defense.

• 16:45Vanessa Richardson?

  The purpose of committing him was to treat him, to stabilize him, and to see whether he could be restored to the point where the case could go forward.

• 16:56Vanessa Richardson?

  Over the following months, he was. All told, nearly two years passed between Carlton Dotson's arrest and any resolution of the charges against him. Two years in which the Dennehy family waited with no trial and no answers for the case to reach some kind of end. And then, on June 8th, 2005, before his case ever reached a jury, Carlton Dotson pleaded guilty to the murder of Patrick Dennehy. A week later, he was sentenced to 35 years in prison. There would be no trial, no parade of witnesses, no cross-examination. The friend who had shot Patrick Dennehy in a field outside Waco had simply stood up

• 17:41Vanessa Richardson?

  in open court and admitted it. It is, by many accounts, the only case in the history of American college sports in which one player was convicted of murdering another. In the years since, there have been suggestions that Dotson may not have acted entirely alone. To be clear, these theories have never been corroborated and have never resulted in a charge against anyone else, but they have inferred that others connected to the team knew more than they let on. This is just speculation. No evidence has ever substantiated it, and I'm not going to point a finger at anyone. Carlton Dotson pleaded guilty to this crime, and in the eyes of the law, he is the person who committed it. But the questions have lingered.

• 18:26Vanessa Richardson?

  There also have been rumors that Dotson's plea deal suited more than just him, that a public murder trial with all of its testimony and scrutiny was something certain people hoped to avoid, people connected to the university itself. Again, this is alleged, not proven, but I will say this: by the time Carlton Dotson pleaded guilty in 2005, Patrick Dennehy's murder was no longer the biggest scandal at Baylor. Something else had come out, something that had nothing to do with Dotson at all.

• 19:09Vanessa Richardson?

  In the very first days after Patrick Dennehy was reported missing, before his body was even found or anyone was charged, investigators looking into his life had found something, a simple matter of paperwork, really, but it had to do with how exactly Patrick Dennehy had been paying to attend Baylor. When investigators looked into it, they found something that didn't add up. Dennehy, it turned out, had not actually been on a full athletic scholarship during his redshirt year, and yet his tuition had been getting paid. So where was the money coming from? The answer was that the head coach had been paying for it. Dave Bliss had quietly covered part of the tuition for Patrick Dennehy, and for at least

• 19:53Vanessa Richardson?

  one other player named Corey Herring, out of funds Bliss himself controlled. The total came to somewhere around $7,000, which wasn't a lot, but under the rules of the NCAA, it was flatly forbidden. Coaches cannot pay players. It's one of the brightest lines in all of college sports, the kind of violation that can bring an entire program down. Dave Bliss had crossed it, and he knew it. Now, a coach caught making improper payments like this can face real consequences, things like suspension, sanctions, the possible ruin of the program he'd spent years building.

• 20:34Vanessa Richardson?

  Bliss understood exactly how much trouble he was in, and so, rather than come clean, he came up with a plan. It was not a panicked spur of the moment lie. It was, as the recordings would later show, something he thought through, and he tried to get the people around him to help. The plan was to lie about where the money came from. Specifically, it was to construct a false story that would explain Dennehy's finances in a way that pointed anywhere except his coach. And the story Bliss chose was this: that the reason Dennehy always seemed to have money was because he was selling drugs, and that this, not any payment from his coach, was how he had paid his way through school.

• 21:18Vanessa Richardson?

  And Dennehy wasn't even alive to defend himself. But Bliss didn't just tell this lie himself. He tried to get his players and staff to repeat the drug dealer story, too, specifically to the sheriff's investigators and to the NCAA, as if it were an established fact. He was trying to recruit the people around him into a conspiracy to frame a murder victim. Even worse, most of them were young men who depended on him for their futures in the game. Going along with the head coach was the safe thing to do if you wanted a career. And that's why the next part of the story takes some real guts. Abar Rouse was a young assistant coach and Baylor graduate himself.

• 22:01Vanessa Richardson?

  He'd been on Dave Bliss's staff for less than two weeks when Patrick Dennehy disappeared. Coaching at this level was Rouse's dream. He'd spent years climbing the ladder at smaller schools to earn this one shot. And now, almost before he had unpacked, the head coach was pressuring him to take part in this diabolical scheme. And he made it clear: if Rouse would not go along, he would lose the job he had worked his whole life to get. Abar Rouse made a different choice. He went out and bought a small tape recorder for about $25. He hid it under his shirt, and he let Dave Bliss talk.

• 22:43Vanessa Richardson?

  On those tapes, Bliss can be heard laying out the plan in his own words. He points out coldly that the one person who could contradict the drug dealer story is gone, and so Bliss concludes with, quote, "What we have to do is create the reasonable doubt," end quote. The tapes caught something else, too, something that had nothing to do with money. In working through his cover story, Bliss made it clear that he had known all along that Dennehy and Dotson had been genuinely afraid that summer, that they'd been threatened by other players. Apparently, the two of them had even asked for help, and Bliss, it seems, had buried that as well. As the investigation closed in, his behavior grew more desperate.

• 23:27Vanessa Richardson?

  Bliss flew to New York City without telling anyone, including his own wife, to try to convince the mother of the other player, Corey Herring, to lie about the tuition payments. On another occasion, he called Baylor's financial aid office, pretending to be Herring's father. He was trying to find out what evidence the investigators might already have. For a while, Bliss publicly insisted that he and his program had done nothing wrong, that they had followed the rules for decades. But the walls were closing in. Confronted by Baylor's own investigators, Bliss finally confessed. And on August 8, 2003, the president of Baylor University forced Dave Bliss to resign. The athletic director resigned the same day,

• 24:12Vanessa Richardson?

  taking responsibility for what had happened on his watch, though there was no evidence he had known. The reckoning didn't stop there. After its own investigation, the NCAA handed Dave Bliss a 10-year show cause penalty. It's a formal warning to every school in the country that hiring him means taking on his punishment, too. Basically, a career death sentence for a coach. In fact, Baylor's entire basketball program was placed on probation for years and stripped of games and scholarships. And here's the thing that needs to be said plainly. In all of their investigating, the authorities never found a shred of evidence that Patrick Dennehy had dealt drugs to anyone.

• 24:57Vanessa Richardson?

  His friends said it was not true. His family said it was not true. His roommates and teammates said it was not true. The people who actually knew him were left not only to grieve his murder, but to defend his name against a lie told by the very man who had recruited him and promised to look after him. Abar Rouse had done the right thing, the brave thing. He had refused to help frame a dead man. He had risked his job, and then he handed his tapes over to an investigative reporter named Danny Robbins, who made their contents public. Rouse had done something honorable, something the profession should have respected.

• 25:41Vanessa Richardson?

  Instead, it ended his career. In the strange, closed world of big-time college coaching, Abar Rouse became known not as the man who told the truth, but as the man who had secretly taped his boss. And that, it turned out, was the unforgivable sin. He was never hired for another full-time college coaching job. Prominent, respected coaches said openly that they would never employ an assistant who had done what Rouse did. That loyalty to the man above you came first, even, apparently, over exposing a plot to slander a murdered young man. So Abar Rouse left coaching. He became a teacher.

• 26:24Vanessa Richardson?

  For years now, he's been educating incarcerated men. And Dave Bliss? For a long time, his story ran in the opposite direction. He wrote a book. He gave speeches about redemption and second chances. He appeared at Christian athletic events, presenting himself as a man who'd fallen and found his way back to grace. He eventually returned to coaching at a small Christian university, as though the whole thing were safely behind him. Then, in 2017, a documentary called Disgraced brought the case back into the light. Its filmmakers interviewed Bliss at length and gave him every chance to show the remorse he had been preaching.

• 27:08Vanessa Richardson?

  And in irony, almost too neat to be real, they ended up doing to him exactly what Rouse had done years before. Because in a moment when he seemed to believe the cameras were off, David Bliss said the quiet thing out loud again. 14 years after Patrick Dennehy's murder, he insisted the young man really had been a drug dealer, claiming Dennehy had sold, in his words, "to all the white guys on campus." He described his own conduct with a chilling image, saying that he had "got in the mud with the pigs." He was still, after everything, repeating the lie. Within days of the documentary airing, Bliss resigned from his coaching job.

• 27:52Vanessa Richardson?

  And to be fair, at another point in that same film, he does say of himself, quote, "Of course I shouldn't be forgiven," end quote. But which of those two men is the real Dave Bliss? The one asking for forgiveness? Or the one still smearing the dead? That's the question the film leaves hanging in the air. The program Bliss left in ruins was slowly rebuilt by a new coach, Scott Drew, who took a job almost no one wanted. And 18 years later, he led Baylor to its first national championship. As for Carlton Dotson, the friend who fired the shots, he served his time. He was denied parole several times over the years.

• 28:35Vanessa Richardson?

  Then quietly, he was granted release. In November of 2024, after roughly 19 years in prison, Carlton Dotson walked out on parole. He is today a free man living in Texas. Patrick Dennehy was 21 years old when he died. He was a son, a friend, a young man with a dream that was finally within his reach. He'd done everything a college athlete is supposed to do: worked, transferred, waited his turn, gotten himself ready for the season that was going to change his life. And he was killed before he ever got to play it, by someone he trusted.

• 29:19Vanessa Richardson?

  That would be tragedy enough. But it's the second wound in this story that I can't stop thinking about, because after Patrick Dennehy was murdered, after he lost his life and his future, the man who was supposed to be his mentor tried to take the one thing he had left: his good name. Dave Bliss looked at the death of a young man he had recruited, and he saw not a person to be mourned, but a problem to be solved: a dead man who couldn't talk back and could therefore be made to carry a lie. Create the reasonable doubt. There may be no colder sentence in this entire series. And that's why this story is where we end. Because over these four Sundays,

• 30:02Vanessa Richardson?

  we've watched the same thing happen again and again in different decades and different places: a university that hid a poisoning to protect its founding, a city and a school that let a killing be called an accident, a campus that let a murder go unsolved rather than face what it knew, and now a coach who tried to frame a murdered player to save his program. Four campuses, four bright futures erased. And in every single case, when the truth was ugly, someone with power decided that the institution mattered more than the person who'd been harmed. But running through these episodes is another thread: the people who refused to look away,

• 30:46Vanessa Richardson?

  the scholars who kept asking what really killed Jane Stanford, the citizen investigators who spent years chasing the truth about Betsy Ardsma, and a young assistant coach named Abar Rouse, who hid a tape recorder under his shirt because he could not stomach hearing someone slander a dead man. They remind us that institutions don't actually do the looking away. People do. And people can do otherwise. That choice is always there.

• 31:31Vanessa Richardson?

  That's where we'll leave Campus Crimes. Thank you for spending these four Sundays with me. And you'll still get all our normal episodes every Monday and Thursday. Serial Killers and Murderous Minds is a Crime House original powered by Pave Studios. Here at Crime House, we want to thank each and every one of you for your support. If you like what you heard today, reach out on Instagram at @crimehouse. Don't forget to rate, review, and follow Serial Killers and Murderous Minds wherever you get your podcasts. Your feedback truly makes a difference. And to enhance your Serial Killers and Murderous Minds listening experience, subscribe to Crime House Plus. You'll get every episode of this show and the rest of the Crime House lineup

• 32:12Vanessa Richardson?

  ad-free and early, plus at least two bonus episodes every month. To join, go to crimehouseplus.com. Or if you listen on Apple Podcasts, tap "Try Free" at the top of the Serial Killers and Murderous Minds show page. Serial Killers and Murderous Minds is hosted by me, Vanessa Richardson, and is a Crime House original powered by Pave Studios. This episode was brought to life by the Serial Killers and Murderous Minds team: Max Cutler, Ron Shapiro, Alex Benedon, Lori Marinelli, Natalie Pritzowski, Sarah Kapp, Alyssa Fox, and Carrie Murphy. Thank you for listening.

• 32:57Vanessa Richardson?

  If you're looking for your next podcast, check out What the Fact with Connor Tomlinson from Netflix's Love on the Spectrum and Carter Roy. Every week, they take three unbelievable true facts from history and tell you the full story behind them. Follow What the Fact wherever you listen or subscribe on YouTube at What the Fact Pod.