Squirting: What's Really Happening?!

[Video available on Spotify] To start off the new season we’re getting into the science of one of the most controversial and taboo sex topics around. Squirting! For some people, it’s a major sex goal — but for others, it’s a source of major embarrassment. And it turns out that people have been writing or talking about squirting and female ejaculation for CENTURIES. So in this episode, we’re going to find out: what IS squirting (like, what is this fluid??), how common is it, and if you want to start doing it … how can you? We’ll hear from Sex Educator and World Record Holder, Lola Jean. As well as Professor Caroline Pukall, Dr. Nan Wise, Professor Helen O’Connell, and Dr. Samuel Salama. UPDATE, April 4, 2025: An earlier version of this episode mistakenly said that usually a person cannot pee with an erect penis. While it can be difficult, it is possible (as anyone who's had a morning glory will know!). The episode has been updated. Find our transcript here: bit.ly/4iIVQcc In this episode, we cover: (00:00) Welcome to Cirque du Squirt (08:26) History of female ejaculation (13:18) Suspect 1: Vaginal lubrication (15:55) Suspect 2: Pee (24:41) Suspect 3: Chemical X? (29:47) Female prostate (36:00) Why does it feel like that? (39:26) What about penises? (42:03) Can you learn to squirt? Credits: This episode was produced by Ekedi Fausther-Keeys, with help from Blythe Terrell, Wendy Zukerman, Meryl Horn, Michelle Dang, and Rose Rimler. We’re edited by Blythe Terrell. Video editing, audio mix and graphics by Bobby Lord. Graphics help from Michelle Dang. Illustrations by Scarlette Baccini. Fact checking by Eva Dasher. Music by Bobby Lord, Peter Leonard, Bumi Hidaka, and So Wylie. Interpreting by Kana Hatakeyama, translation help from Ben Milam. Thanks also to Dr. Devon Hensel, and Dr. Leslie Rickey. Recording and logistics help from Michelle Kitchen, Spencer Howard and Nick Johnson. Recording help from Abi McNeil. Special thanks to Roland Campos. Thanks to Cameron Silzle and Arsonhouse Entertainment. Thanks to Lola Jean and everyone who spoke to us at Cirque du Squirt. Science Vs is a Spotify Studios Original. Listen for free on Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. Follow us and tap the bell for episode notifications. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Wendy Zukerman?

  Hi, I'm Wendy Zukerman and you're listening to Science vs. Today on the show, we are pitting facts against fluids as we dive into the gushing waters of

• 0:12Wendy Zukerman?

  squirting.

• 0:16Wendy Zukerman?

  Yes, we're finally doing Science vs. Squirting'. And to help us on this journey is comedian Annie Letterman. Hey, Annie.

• 0:25Speaker 01

  Hello. I'm juicy and ready to go.

• 0:29Wendy Zukerman?

  Oh, this is excellent. So Annie, when we asked you, do you want to come on the show to help us talk about the science of squirting, you could not have answered yes fast enough. What is your fascination with squirting? I am fascinated too.

• 0:45Speaker 01

  Well, I squirted for the first time a couple of years ago. And I was, I thought, you know, I was 39. I just never thought it would happen for me. I feel like it's kind of a, it's an inspirational tale. And I was just really surprised because I've had people in my past try. And then my fiance, I just didn't even, I wasn't trying. And then the levees broke.

• 1:08Wendy Zukerman?

  Wow.

• 1:09Speaker 01

  But then now, when I bring it up, people go, it's pee. And then I go, I really don't want it to be pee. I fear it's pee. I don't want it to be pee.

• 1:17Wendy Zukerman?

  So you've already kind of picked the big question of the episode. Is it, is it pee, is it not?

• 1:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:22Wendy Zukerman?

  But so we're going to start this squirting journey in Brooklyn, New York, of course. And we wanted to start by checking out this very special show. So we sent producer Emily Forman along.

• 1:39Speaker 02

  Hello, hello, hello, everybody.

• 1:43Speaker 03

  What do I really know about it? I know there's going to be choreography. I know there's going to be games. I know there's going to be a lot of fluids. Maybe I shouldn't have worn open-toe shoes.

• 1:55Speaker 02

  Welcome, come, come, come to Cirque du Suisse.

• 2:04Wendy Zukerman?

  So the show we are at is called Cirque du Squirt.

• 2:08Speaker 01

  Love it.

• 2:09Wendy Zukerman?

  And it's happening, I want you to picture sort of this cute little nightclub in Brooklyn. And Emily is about to witness a bunch of quirky performances, including a vibrator race.

• 2:22Speaker 04

  Ah, the vibrator races. So what you do is you come and you choose your fighter.

• 2:28Speaker 03

  I feel like any vibrator you can imagine was represented. Like just big veiny penis, like really realistic end to like Sex and the City rabbit to, you know, just something a little more demure.

• 2:45Speaker 04

  You pick your contender, you turn it on, and you choose your setting.

• 2:50Wendy Zukerman?

  All right, so once the vibrator races were done, the real reason that everyone was gathered at Cirque du Squirt tonight was to obviously see the squirting. And tonight, we're not just going to see anyone squirt, but we're going to see the legend of liquid, the empress of emissions, the sorceress of squirt, Lola Jean. So Lola Jean holds the world record for squirting, which means that using nothing but her own fingers, she has squirted out 1.35 liters of fluid.

• 3:26Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 3:27Wendy Zukerman?

  Which is about the same as two bottles of wine.

• 3:31Speaker 01

  Amazing.

• 3:31Wendy Zukerman?

  So Lola gets on stage with two other people. They're dressed in early 2000s boy band garb. They're lip syncing to this song, "Liquid Dreams." And then, it's about to be the main event. I asked Emily, who's there, sitting in that crowd, to explain exactly what happened. And she said, there's this tarp on the ground, the performers are standing over it. And then...

• 3:57Speaker 03

  Whip the pants off.

• 4:00Speaker 03

  And then did a quick, quick like jerk off. They're inside fingering themselves.

• 4:05Wendy Zukerman?

  They were finger banging themselves, it sounds like.

• 4:08Speaker 03

  Finger banging, yes. They were finger banging themselves and at the big moment where it was like, da, da, da, liquid dreams. And then all of a sudden, all this liquid pours out and just like splashes on stage.

• 4:23Wendy Zukerman?

  Wow. And so what, how, how did the liquid come out? Was it like a fountain or was it like a dribble down?

• 4:32Speaker 03

  No, it was like if you just like dumped out a huge bucket of water. Or it's like if you're like the, the sort of cartoon version of your water breaking. Like all of this liquid just splashing out intensely and a lot like hard.

• 4:48Wendy Zukerman?

  And it really does make you question, what is that fluid?

• 4:53Speaker 01

  Is this pee?

• 4:54Wendy Zukerman?

  Is this something else? And so as part of our research for this episode, we did this big informal survey of our listeners. Almost 16,000 people responded. Annie, do you want to guess what percentage of folks with vaginas in our survey said that they had ever squirted?

• 5:14Speaker 01

  Uh, 30?

• 5:16Wendy Zukerman?

  Forty-five percent.

• 5:18Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 5:18Wendy Zukerman?

  And that's basically what other research has found. And so in our survey, we also asked these squirters, what do you think it is? Around 60% thought that it was either pee or pee with something else in it. The rest thought it was something else or they just weren't sure. Because there is this idea that it could be ejaculate. Like some that, you know, if you've got a vagina, you can ejaculate too.

• 5:42Speaker 01

  That's what I want it to be. I feel like the people that say it's pee are always men too. I don't want them to be right. I feel like they're downplaying our squirt.

• 5:49Wendy Zukerman?

  Well, the thing is, you know, despite the pee propaganda, when we talked to Emily about what she thought this liquid was that was coming out, here's what she said.

• 6:01Speaker 03

  It was clear and crystal and kinda, kinda beautiful. The way the light was shining through it. I feel like I have no questions in my mind that that was pure squirt.

• 6:15Wendy Zukerman?

  And we spoke to Lola Jean, actually, the squirter onstage. And she told us that when it happens, it doesn't feel like when you're peeing.

• 6:26Speaker 05

  It feels different when I pee and it feels different when I squirt. Like, the process of it, it feels entirely different. But also, like, I have squirted my life savings out of my body and still had full pees afterwards. So I'm like, there's no way, there's no way I'm gonna have, after I set that record, I peed so much. And then I was like, there's no way, if this was pee, that I've had this much more in the tank.

• 6:49Speaker 01

  I feel the same way, because it's not, pee is, it's yellow, it smells like pee. Like, you know, it's a distinct thing. It just seems like a completely different, it's a different consistency than pee and...

• 7:02Wendy Zukerman?

  And you're not, yeah, you're not the only one to say this. There was a study that interviewed 28 squirters, many of whom had smelt their squirt, even tasted it. And they also swore that it was something different. So today on the show, we are gonna get to the bottom of what is this fluid flying out of us? Pee, ejaculate, something else? Plus, we're gonna look at what's going on in our body when this happens. And if you are curious to bring some squirting into your life, Lola Jean's gonna give us some tips.

• 7:33Speaker 01

  So exciting. I'm so happy for everyone.

• 7:36Wendy Zukerman?

  And you know what? For those listening, I know this isn't you, Annie, but some might feel that this is some, you know, kinky little story about this strange sex phenomenon. But actually, the story of squirting goes so deep. It goes into the history of female ejaculation, which we're talking, we're going back hundreds of years. Right up to groundbreaking science published just last year. We are gonna finger bang our way through the research until the floodgates open and we understand everything there is to know about squirting.

• 8:09Speaker 01

  Love it.

• 8:09Wendy Zukerman?

  You ready to go?

• 8:10Speaker 01

  Oh, I feel so lucky.

• 8:13Wendy Zukerman?

  When it comes to squirting, there is a lot of...

• 8:15Speaker 03

  Finger banging, yes.

• 8:18Wendy Zukerman?

  But then there's science. Science versus squirting is coming up.

• 8:24Wendy Zukerman?

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• 10:33Wendy Zukerman?

  Welcome back. Today, we are all about the science of squirt. We're here with comedian Annie Letterman. Hello.

• 10:40Speaker 01

  Hi.

• 10:41Wendy Zukerman?

  All right, so to find out more about what's going on with the science of squirting, we called up friend of the show, Professor Carolyn Pukal, who's a sexual health researcher at Queen's University in Canada. And like us, she is amazed by squirting.

• 10:55Speaker 07

  I don't know. It's like, I think it's a superpower, seriously. It is magical. It's super magical to me and so mysterious that this amount of fluid can come from a body. It's just incredible.

• 11:11Wendy Zukerman?

  So these days, the idea that someone with a vagina can ejaculate is maybe a little controversial. But actually, centuries ago, things were quite different. So philosophers and scientists of medieval China, India, and Europe were like, duh, of course, a woman can ejaculate. Carolyn said that it wasn't controversial at all.

• 11:37Speaker 07

  It was not. They called it, you know, they called it sperm. They called vaginal secretions sperm. And there are quotes like, "She emitted abundant sperm."

• 11:49Wendy Zukerman?

  Did you know this?

• 11:50Speaker 01

  I didn't, but I also loved that she said abundant.

• 11:54Wendy Zukerman?

  You like the word abundant?

• 11:56Speaker 01

  Well, just like, you know, like my pussy's like, um, like manifesting or something. I like it. It's abundance. Yes.

• 12:05Wendy Zukerman?

  There's this book on the history of female ejaculation called Juice that came out recently, and it has these amazing quotes from ancient texts about this idea. And so here's one I wanted to read you. It was our personal favorite on the show. It's from Medieval Chinese Sex Book, and it says, quote, "When the woman's red ball grows, it is said to move swiftly and spray. The man then draws her ejaculate into his penis, a method that resembles a golden cicada clinging to a tree and imbibing dew."

• 12:43Speaker 01

  Beautiful. That's gorgeous. The red ball, too. I like that red ball.

• 12:48Wendy Zukerman?

  Right?

• 12:49Speaker 01

  It's very Pokemon.

• 12:53Speaker 01

  Isn't there a squirtle? There's a squirtle in Fluffy Mud.

• 12:58Wendy Zukerman?

  They'll never look at my clit the same way again. Thank you.

• 13:01Speaker 01

  Hey, Red Bull.

• 13:04Wendy Zukerman?

  And getting a woman to produce all of this liquid was considered super important back then because all the way up until around the 1500s, a lot of people thought that both women and men had sperm or seed inside their sexy wet stuff. And so basically, if you wanted to have a baby, both a man and a woman had to ejaculate. That was the thinking. And so, according to Juice, this influential Catholic clergyman, basically wrote that should the woman fail to secrete seed, no baby.

• 13:37Speaker 01

  Wow, I love that. That would have changed a lot of my sex life if guys were trying.

• 13:43Wendy Zukerman?

  So it's amazing. So there's all these history books, sort of giving these tips on how to make a woman get super, super wet. But then, in the 1600s, the microscope is invented and science basically screws everything up. I mean, the science does what science does. It learns. We discover sperm cells. We discover that women don't need to ejaculate to make a baby. And I talked to Carolyn about what happened.

• 14:12Speaker 07

  So what happened? People just decided that the only people who ejaculated were people with penises.

• 14:18Wendy Zukerman?

  And suddenly, there's less and less advice about how to make a vagina resemble a golden cicada.

• 14:26Wendy Zukerman?

  And so, I think, to me, what this point, like, really shows is how politicized and moralized the idea of female ejaculate is. Because these scientists of their day were observing great fluids coming from a vagina and spraying. And then, all of a sudden, that function isn't necessary for procreation.

• 14:51Speaker 01

  Right. And pleasure with it. And then, all of a sudden, that's not necessary. And but it is necessary for the guy to have the pleasure and for them to shoot.

• 15:01Wendy Zukerman?

  Exactly, exactly. And so then, all of a sudden, this physiological function that we have gets shoved aside, becomes taboo. We don't talk about it anymore. So let's talk about it. Let's really talk about it. And I think, even though they do have all these amazing descriptions of seeds and fluids and spraying. What is true is that in these texts, it's really not clear what fluid they are talking about. So the question is, like, so what exactly is moving swiftly and spraying? And so I just wanted to look at all the liquids that could possibly be coming out of us as we get really horny and, you know, do we want to call it ejaculate, whatever, just emit fluids?

• 15:45Wendy Zukerman?

  And the first one I want to look at is vaginal lubrication.

• 15:48Speaker 01

  You mean like our like bodies own, our natural astroglide that we make ourselves?

• 15:52Wendy Zukerman?

  That's right, because how you make lube, it's actually really, really cool. I hadn't thought about it before. I don't know if you'd spent time.

• 16:03Speaker 01

  No, I never think about where that comes. I don't know about any of that.

• 16:06Wendy Zukerman?

  Yeah, it's amazing. It's amazing. So to tell us all about it is Dr. Nan Wise, a neuroscientist and sex therapist. So she says that, you know, when we get aroused.

• 16:16Speaker 04

  You're bringing blood flow into that area, Wendy, right?

• 16:20Wendy Zukerman?

  So blood flow starts to rush down to your vagina, making it slightly warm and swollen. And then some of that blood basically turns into lube.

• 16:31Speaker 01

  Whoa, turning water into wine. We're like, Jesus.

• 16:35Wendy Zukerman?

  Here's Nan again.

• 16:36Speaker 04

  So there's a filtration process that takes the plasma from the blood and filters it and filters it and filters it. And then it goes through the walls of the vagina and like sweats. Think about sweat.

• 16:55Speaker 01

  Our vaginas are Jesus. But are they not? That's incredible. I was thinking maybe there's sweat involved in this too.

• 17:02Wendy Zukerman?

  Yeah.

• 17:03Speaker 01

  It's just gonna find out that it's like, it's like sweat, diarrhea and pee. I'm gonna be like, oh no.

• 17:10Wendy Zukerman?

  We've come into this being like.

• 17:12Speaker 01

  Oh no, it's getting worse. Can it just be pee?

• 17:15Wendy Zukerman?

  Yeah, we end up with. Okay, but as cool as lubrication is, I asked Nan. Is anyone saying squirting is lube? No.

• 17:29Speaker 01

  No, no, no, no, no.

• 17:30Wendy Zukerman?

  So this cannot be what came out of Lola or you.

• 17:33Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 17:34Wendy Zukerman?

  Because, I mean, for one, with Lola, she pumped out over a litre of this stuff, and you just don't produce that much lube. Plus, squirting actually comes out of a different hole.

• 17:44Speaker 01

  I feel that.

• 17:46Wendy Zukerman?

  You do?

• 17:46Speaker 01

  I feel that. I feel that it's a different hole. It doesn't feel like it comes out of the same place.

• 17:51Wendy Zukerman?

  So the hole that squirt is coming out of is the urethra, which is the hole that you pee out of.

• 17:57Speaker 01

  That is the pee hole, yeah.

• 17:58Wendy Zukerman?

  That is the pee hole. Um, which does take us to suspect number two that we've discussed. Uh, is it pee? And so for this, we called up Dr Samuel Salama. He's a gynecologist working at the American Hospital in Paris. What is the French word for squirting?

• 18:16Speaker 02

  In French, we used to say femme fontaine.

• 18:20Wendy Zukerman?

  Fontaine, like fountain, like a fountain.

• 18:22Speaker 02

  Yes, femme fontaine, because the, the, the expulsion can be very, very, uh, large.

• 18:29Wendy Zukerman?

  It's not a bad name.

• 18:30Speaker 02

  It can be surprising.

• 18:32Wendy Zukerman?

  So when Samuel was a medical student, a lover of his squirted, um, and they were both so fascinated and curious by this, they tried to find out what the fluid was, and they asked friends and doctors. But no one could tell them anything that really made sense.

• 18:46Speaker 02

  We don't know anything about that, so we need to find a credible explanation.

• 18:52Wendy Zukerman?

  So years later, Sam is doing his degree in sexology. He realises he has access to a clinic where he can get some real answers on this.

• 19:01Speaker 02

  So, okay.

• 19:03Wendy Zukerman?

  Sam recruits seven women who were what he calls systematic squirters. Oh, it's gonna get good. It's gonna get good, Addie. You're gonna love where we're going. Okay, so these systematic squirters.

• 19:16Speaker 02

  They can do that when they wish, at every, every sexual intercourse.

• 19:22Wendy Zukerman?

  Okay, so Sam gets these women to go to the bathroom and pee. And he takes an ultrasound of their pelvis, and importantly, their bladder. And he's making sure to see that it's empty. And now the next step is to get wet for science. So some of these systematic squirters brought a partner, some came on their own.

• 19:42Speaker 01

  They just use a beaker?

• 19:46Wendy Zukerman?

  And I want you to picture this classic ultrasound room. So very sterile vibes, you know, white walls.

• 19:53Speaker 01

  You're so hot. Ooh.

• 19:55Wendy Zukerman?

  And the beaker, because that can't hold enough. So there's actually a big plastic bag on the bed to collect the squirt that comes out. So maybe if you've got like a Grey's Anatomy fantasy, this could be the study for you. Sam leaves the room, waits outside.

• 20:13Speaker 02

  Just before, when the woman is ready. When she feel that it's the good time, they ask me to come back.

• 20:21Wendy Zukerman?

  Did they just say like, hi, we're ready?

• 20:23Speaker 02

  Yes. The man, the man came to me and I think you can come now.

• 20:30Wendy Zukerman?

  So this is just as the women are super aroused, like ready to squirt, but they haven't yet. And then Sam takes a second ultrasound of their bladder. He's out the door again.

• 20:42Speaker 01

  To see what's, what's cooking in there.

• 20:44Wendy Zukerman?

  What's cooking, exactly. Then the femmes do their fountain. And when it's all done, Sam comes back in and it's wet everywhere.

• 20:55Speaker 01

  Everywhere.

• 20:56Speaker 02

  There is fluid inside the bag. There is, there is fluid around the bag and all over the floor.

• 21:04Wendy Zukerman?

  He does a third ultrasound after the squirting's done. So Addie, if you're counting along here, we've got three images of the bladder before, at peak of arousal and then after.

• 21:18Speaker 01

  Okay, are we up to the moment?

• 21:20Speaker 02

  You want the result?

• 21:22Speaker 01

  I, yeah.

• 21:24Wendy Zukerman?

  Okay, so first ultrasound, just after they had a big whiz. Their bladders were empty, no surprises there. But then, before we get to the post bladder, something very interesting is happening at the peak of arousal.

• 21:38Speaker 02

  After 30 minutes to one hour of sexual stimulation.

• 21:44Speaker 02

  They call me back and I do the second tresson, the bladder is full.

• 21:49Wendy Zukerman?

  What?

• 21:51Speaker 01

  But no water's gone in.

• 21:53Wendy Zukerman?

  It's weird, right? Yeah.

• 21:55Speaker 01

  I'm starting to think about if I'm stranded on an island, I'm good. If I, if there's no water, if I'm somewhere, I feel like I'm gonna be able to rehydrate. I feel like honestly, I could have saved the Palisades. I honestly am starting to feel bad. They said there's no water. I go, I actually have water, guys. I actually have some.

• 22:15Speaker 01

  I can create this. This is incredible.

• 22:17Wendy Zukerman?

  Yeah, I don't know. This is cool. So he could see that like, you know, just in those whatever, half an hour, the bladder was filling up again. And he's not the only study to show this. So another study that got a straight couple to have sex in an MRI,

• 22:33Wendy Zukerman?

  could, we should just imagine, you know, what people do for science. But they also found that during arousal, their bladders filled up again.

• 22:40Speaker 01

  Now, do the guys' bladders fill up?

• 22:42Wendy Zukerman?

  Yeah, both.

• 22:43Speaker 01

  Both?

• 22:44Wendy Zukerman?

  In that study, in that study, okay. But then, we gotta get what happens after they squirted, right? What was happening to their bladders? This was your big question. This is the big question, right?

• 22:57Speaker 01

  This is it.

• 22:59Speaker 02

  And just after squirting, the bladder is totally empty.

• 23:06Wendy Zukerman?

  Hmm, and so it's pee. Is it pee?

• 23:13Speaker 02

  Sure. There is only pee in the bladder. And this is pee.

• 23:18Speaker 01

  Oh, no.

• 23:19Wendy Zukerman?

  How do you feel?

• 23:19Speaker 01

  I still think there's something in there.

• 23:22Wendy Zukerman?

  Sam also analyzed the squirt and found chemicals that you tend to find in urine, like urea, uric acid. Another study of seven women also found these particular pee chemicals inside squirt, but at quite low quantities, kinda like diluted. We have a photo in Sam's study of all the different liquids that came out. Do you wanna see it?

• 23:45Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 23:46Wendy Zukerman?

  So the, the darkest one was before squirt.

• 23:51Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 23:52Wendy Zukerman?

  And then that one that says S, that is, that is squirt. That was squirt in this study.

• 24:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's way more yellow than I thought it was gonna be. In my head, it's just clear. It's like.

• 24:06Wendy Zukerman?

  Yeah, it's not.

• 24:08Speaker 01

  I, I just can't trust BP.

• 24:11Wendy Zukerman?

  Well, Sam said that when the study came out, some folks sent him these angry emails.

• 24:16Speaker 01

  That's awful.

• 24:16Wendy Zukerman?

  Because they were so upset at the suggestion that this was just fake.

• 24:21Speaker 02

  No, you're a liar. It's not possible.

• 24:25Wendy Zukerman?

  But, you know, we do want more research, right? So I want to tell you about one more study in this related to this. We talked to a urologist from Japan called Dr. Miyabi Inoue, who got five women who squirted. And using a catheter, she emptied their bladders. And then she inserted this blue liquid into it. And she asked the women to squirt. And the whole point is that if what came out was blue, she knew it was coming from the bladder.

• 24:56Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 24:58Wendy Zukerman?

  And Annie, she actually took a video of the experiment. And I have not watched this video yet because I wanted us to watch it together.

• 25:06Speaker 01

  I'm so excited.

• 25:08Wendy Zukerman?

  Okay. I think from the reactions of my team, it's a bit full on. So I think this is going to be a real bonding moment for us right now.

• 25:15Speaker 01

  I'm very excited. We're bound.

• 25:18Wendy Zukerman?

  Okay.

• 25:18Speaker 01

  We could be, instead of blood sisters, we'll be squirt sisters.

• 25:21Wendy Zukerman?

  It will be squirt sisters. I think we will be squirt sisters. Okay, Kenny, you want to whip up the video? Yep, I got you. Hope y'all are ready. All right, thanks. I'm excited.

• 25:31Speaker 01

  Hope y'all are ready.

• 25:33Wendy Zukerman?

  This has been so, we've been spending months making this episode and I've yet to see this video. So, all right, is the liquid coming out of their bladder? Gonna be blue. Okay, so what are we looking at here? This is, oh, someone finger banging themselves. Yeah. There they are. They're going for it.

• 25:53Speaker 01

  Okay, that's very blue.

• 25:54Wendy Zukerman?

  Whoa!

• 25:56Speaker 01

  That's very blue.

• 25:59Wendy Zukerman?

  Oh, yeah.

• 26:00Speaker 01

  This is like the maxi pad commercials where they use the blue to say...

• 26:05Wendy Zukerman?

  Oh, yeah.

• 26:09Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 26:10Wendy Zukerman?

  Oh, that is 100% blue.

• 26:13Speaker 01

  Look at this.

• 26:15Wendy Zukerman?

  Yeah.

• 26:15Speaker 01

  Little Smurf hand in there.

• 26:19Speaker 01

  I mean, this is wild. I mean, it's science. You gotta do it.

• 26:24Wendy Zukerman?

  And that was a blue, blue, blue, blue, blue.

• 26:28Wendy Zukerman?

  I think there's no question it's coming from the bladder. This fluid is coming. At least, at least partly, okay.

• 26:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:37Wendy Zukerman?

  So you had said, I think there's something else there, right? Well, tell me more.

• 26:40Speaker 01

  I feel like it has to be like a, like a some, it's just not, it doesn't, it doesn't feel like pee to me.

• 26:48Wendy Zukerman?

  Yeah. Something else has to be going on.

• 26:51Speaker 01

  I think so.

• 26:52Wendy Zukerman?

  And Annie, something else is going on.

• 26:55Speaker 01

  Ding, ding, ding, ding.

• 26:56Wendy Zukerman?

  After the break, we're gonna look at this incredibly mysterious and misunderstood part of the body that some seem to say can transform this pee into a brand new sexy substance.

• 27:10Speaker 01

  Ooh, I love it.

• 27:12Wendy Zukerman?

  So if you're into the Powerpuff Girls, Chemical X is coming up after the break.

• 27:16Speaker 01

  I'm erect. I'm aroused.

• 27:22Wendy Zukerman?

  Welcome back. Today on the show, squirting, we're here with comedian and squirting stan, Annie Letterman. We just learned that a lot of squirt lives in the bladder before it ends up on your bed, making it suspiciously seem like pee.

• 27:39Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 27:39Wendy Zukerman?

  But online and in this studio, you have heard folks say, no, no, no, it is not pee. And the truth is that sometimes it's not just pee. There is this curious chemical found in squirt that comes from an even curioser part of the body. And to tell us all about it, I called up Professor Helen O'Connell. Is that you, Wendy?

• 28:04Speaker 03

  Is that you, Helen?

• 28:07Wendy Zukerman?

  Helen and I kind of go way back. She's this pioneer when it comes to anatomy. So Helen was one of the first modern scientists to fully describe the clitoris. You know how now, I hope everyone knows that the clitoris is way bigger than that little knob you see. She's the reason we know that.

• 28:27Speaker 01

  The red ball.

• 28:28Wendy Zukerman?

  The red ball. That's right.

• 28:29Speaker 01

  It's bigger than the red ball.

• 28:30Wendy Zukerman?

  Bigger than the red ball. And now. Helen and a handful of other researchers are doing it all again, describing these amazing anatomical features. And this time, their target is the so-called female prostate, which won headline called "The mystical source of female ejaculation."

• 28:51Speaker 01

  I'm so excited. I have brothers and I've always, I always was like the girl that was like, can I join the frat? Like, I was like, why can't I do the boy things? And look at me now, baby. Look at me now, and my prostate.

• 29:02Wendy Zukerman?

  Did you know we had a prostate?

• 29:05Speaker 01

  I didn't, but I'm very, I'm happy to hear it.

• 29:08Wendy Zukerman?

  Yeah, well, I mean, the fact that we don't know, I asked Helen about this. Why is there so much mystique around the female prostate? Why in 2025 is your team, are we still publishing basic anatomy about, about the female body? Well, you know, we were looking at the State Library in Victoria, and beautiful diagrams in these historical books have had their vulval pages ripped out, you know, and then replaced and ripped out again. There is this sort of- Physically ripped out somewhere along the line.

• 29:52Wendy Zukerman?

  Well, someone has attacked these books and removed the, the very depiction of the vulva. And so there's a sort of societal force that's a bit wacky, frankly. Isn't that shocking?

• 30:10Speaker 01

  It's not shocking. It's annoying, though. It's annoying.

• 30:14Wendy Zukerman?

  Yeah. So to put some pages back into these anatomy textbooks, let's, let's talk about this, what this gland does. It basically secretes these proteins that the male prostate does as well. And these proteins have sexy names like prostate-specific antigen, also called PSA, or PSAP is another one.

• 30:40Wendy Zukerman?

  And basically, these proteins will come out of the urethra in this, in this very curious fluid. I actually wonder whether fluid's the right word. They secrete secretions, so they're, you know, viscous. So it's moist, right? But it's not- Like snot or like semen? Probably of a slippery, lush character, yeah? More like saliva. Ah, okay. Other researchers have described it to us like that it's thick and milky. And if you've got a penis, your prostate will be pumping out these proteins that will end up in your semen.

• 31:26Wendy Zukerman?

  Which is why some people have said that if squirt has these proteins in it, then it's basically a kind of cum, right?

• 31:34Speaker 01

  Mm hmm. I mean, it has to be. It has to be.

• 31:37Wendy Zukerman?

  It has, and when

• 31:39Speaker 01

  It has to be.

• 31:41Wendy Zukerman?

  And when Sam Well, our French scientist, and others have analyzed the chemicals in squirt, they often do find these prostate proteins in them, telling us that this female prostate does play some role.

• 31:56Speaker 01

  Where is the female prostate? It's like near the G-spot or what?

• 31:59Wendy Zukerman?

  This is a great question and actually one that scientists have still been arguing about because these pages have been ripped out of our anatomy textbooks.

• 32:08Speaker 01

  I am so mad about that.

• 32:11Wendy Zukerman?

  It's, yes, and so

• 32:12Speaker 01

  I would rather it be you go, you see the anatomy books and they're actually waterlogged from women squirting so much on them. I would rather them be sealed shut like my mom's Fifty Shades of Grey that was near her bathtub.

• 32:29Wendy Zukerman?

  Exactly. And the thing is that like where this gland is, is like a basic anatomy question. How are we still talking about it?

• 32:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, it would be so very helpful to know that.

• 32:41Wendy Zukerman?

  Yes, it's, it's, it's super important and it also can help us answer this question of, of how much this kind of comey, whatever, saliva-y, thick, milky stuff we're making. Because generally speaking, how big a gland is also helps us know how much of this stuff it's producing. And so over and over again in textbooks, you see this description of the female prostate gland saying that it's basically two tiny tubes that sit on either side of the bottom of your urethra.

• 33:17Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 33:18Wendy Zukerman?

  Close to where pee comes out.

• 33:21Wendy Zukerman?

  But actually Helen did this study.

• 33:25Wendy Zukerman?

  That kind of turns this on its head in this really exciting way. So she got tissue samples from the urethra of seven women who had just died.

• 33:37Speaker 01

  Was uber fresh, you know, so those incredible women donated their bodies to science. So we had this fabulous tissue.

• 33:47Wendy Zukerman?

  And Helen's team sliced up the urethra's crossways, kind of like how you would a baguette, I guess, like really thinly sliced.

• 33:56Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 33:56Wendy Zukerman?

  And then she looked at these little slices under a microscope. And even though what had been in a bunch of textbooks, you look online, you'll always see, you know, the prostate described. It's just these two little tubes down the bottom. Actually, she could see this kind of constellation of glands all the way through our urethra.

• 34:18Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 34:19Wendy Zukerman?

  Which is so cool. And so she said, you know, they're not, they're not just off to the side.

• 34:25Speaker 01

  They are in the urethra. They're not beside the urethra. They're not in the vicinity of the urethra. They are actually in the structure of this tube. Wow.

• 34:37Wendy Zukerman?

  And Helen's not the first to uncover this. Other researchers have too. It's just no one's updated Wikipedia yet.

• 34:43Speaker 01

  Listen, when I die, I am donating my, my body to this study. I'm donating my vag, take it. She's, I love Helen. I like how she describes things. She's like, this beautiful tissue, it's lush. It's, you know, everything she says is so poetic.

• 35:00Wendy Zukerman?

  She loves anatomy and she, I think she loves like bringing this out into the light.

• 35:06Wendy Zukerman?

  And, okay, but the thing is that even though this gland is way cooler and more complicated than we give it credit for, it is still really small. So the glands themselves, how big are they? Like a grain of rice?

• 35:23Speaker 01

  Probably smaller than this. So they're, they're microscopic.

• 35:27Wendy Zukerman?

  You can't see them with the naked eye.

• 35:30Speaker 01

  Right.

• 35:31Wendy Zukerman?

  So even if you squished all the webby, spider webby constellations together, it'd be really small. And how much liquid do they produce all in all?

• 35:42Speaker 01

  It's probably more like several mils.

• 35:45Wendy Zukerman?

  Perhaps a teaspoon we're talking. And what is cool, though, is that in some cases, that ejaculate can actually come out of your urethra on its own. And so this is what scientists now call female ejaculate.

• 35:58Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 35:59Wendy Zukerman?

  When just what's coming out of the female prostate comes out of your urethra. But yeah, it's different from, it's like a totally different process. Because it's not this huge gush. So then, when it comes to this question of, okay, so are we ejaculating, is squirt a mixture of pee and ejaculate? It is sometimes, but it's not always. So in Sam's study, he found the sexy proteins in five of the seven squirt samples, meaning two were just pee. Miyabi's study out of Japan found it in four of five squirters, which tells you that even though this female prostate is super cool, still what is coming out of us during squirt is mostly pee.

• 36:44Speaker 01

  This is disgusting. I'm horrified. No, I'm okay with it. I'm okay with it.

• 36:49Wendy Zukerman?

  Research shows that those who think it's pee are more likely to be embarrassed about squirting, as opposed to think it's a positive experience. But you know, Helen says, screw that.

• 37:02Speaker 01

  But if, if release at orgasm, and that's urine with these markers, makes you feel fantastic, you know, not yourself that. I mean, people are really enjoying this experience. Why should we say it's anything other than valid?

• 37:23Wendy Zukerman?

  On one level, it's all just diluted blood on one very basic level, isn't it?

• 37:30Wendy Zukerman?

  Right? You know, lube is diluted blood. Pee on one level is diluted blood.

• 37:37Speaker 01

  Listen, they are ejaculating all over our bodies. Why would we not be allowed to pee on that? I mean, I've had my eyes sealed shut. Why would I not be allowed to pee all over you?

• 37:49Wendy Zukerman?

  That as well.

• 37:50Speaker 01

  Now I'm, now I'm more, I'm gonna be more angled at it. Like when I'm mad at him, I'm gonna be like, alright.

• 37:56Wendy Zukerman?

  Get it in the eye, exactly. Miyabi, our Japanese urologist, said that if you're worried about pee being dirty, there's actually more bacteria in your mouth or your vagina. But it does raise the question of if this is mostly pee, and it is, why doesn't it feel like peeing? When we asked academics about this, they said one reason could be the context is so different. I mean, you're not, you know, with peeing, you're scrolling through Instagram on the toilet. You know, in this case, you're doing something sexy. Context plays a huge role in how things feel in our body.

• 38:34Wendy Zukerman?

  But it's also possible that the actual physiological process of how the liquid gets out of your body, even though it is in the bladder and it's coming out of the urethra, that what triggers that whole process is different to peeing, which would be super interesting. We, we need to learn more.

• 38:53Speaker 01

  We must.

• 38:54Wendy Zukerman?

  We must, right?

• 38:55Speaker 01

  Do not wait for my body to be donated, please.

• 39:00Wendy Zukerman?

  Get onto this now.

• 39:01Speaker 01

  In my lifetime, I wanna know.

• 39:03Wendy Zukerman?

  Yes. You know, we know peeing is voluntary. You know, you can hold it in, your prefrontal cortex is like, hold it in, hold it in, let it out.

• 39:12Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 39:13Wendy Zukerman?

  Squirting for a lot of folks is involuntary, it just happens at this moment of arousal.

• 39:17Speaker 01

  It is very surprising. It's really shocking.

• 39:20Wendy Zukerman?

  Yeah.

• 39:22Wendy Zukerman?

  Also, in Miyabi's, in that Japanese study, lest we forget, with the blue liquid.

• 39:29Speaker 01

  Oh, I'll never forget that.

• 39:30Wendy Zukerman?

  Mm-hmm. For, for four out of the five women, the squirt, Miyabi said that the squirt didn't shoot out like pee can, where it could be, it could be quite forceful, like, but she said it sort of dripped out, suggesting to her that maybe the muscles around the bladder weren't actually squishing in the same way. Cause that's why pee shoots out. You have these muscles that contract around the bladder.

• 39:57Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 39:58Wendy Zukerman?

  Doesn't feel like pee.

• 39:59Speaker 01

  It just doesn't feel like pee.

• 40:01Wendy Zukerman?

  Yeah, and that really could be that that the just the processes are so different. But Carolyn Picard says we're still learning the magical symphony that leads us to squirting. But given how smooshed together the urethra, the vagina and the clitoris are, it wouldn't be a surprise to her if squirting is triggered in some way that is different to peeing. Here's what she said.

• 40:27Speaker 07

  Everything is connected. So when you're stimulating a vagina internally, you're also stimulating the urethra indirectly through the walls. Depending how deep the thrusting is, you're stimulating the uterus. It really is like a whole pelvic response. There's so many processes happening. And this arousal response doesn't decide to just be like, okay vagina, we're gonna have you release just vaginal stuff.

• 40:59Wendy Zukerman?

  Does that make you feel better about the fact it's mostly pee?

• 41:02Speaker 01

  I mean, ideally, we would be debunking it and saying it's not pee. But I'm not gonna, I would never send a letter to France yelling at a guy, a scientist. I will accept, I accept science. No, but I, I do, I'm telling you, the little bit of protein, that little, that little ejaculate is enough for me.

• 41:24Wendy Zukerman?

  It's enough, well.

• 41:25Speaker 01

  It's enough, it's enough. That is not bull pee.

• 41:28Wendy Zukerman?

  Yeah, it's transforming it. It did transform it into a sexy new substance.

• 41:32Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 41:33Wendy Zukerman?

  Now, once we realized that there was all this mystery into exactly how we squirt, it did make us on the team wonder, could a penis squirt too? And it turns out, yeah, may, maybe. We talked to Carolyn about this as well.

• 41:52Speaker 07

  I think this may also happen in people with penises as well. So usually when a penis is ejaculating, a person cannot pee, right? There's a mechanism.

• 42:03Wendy Zukerman?

  The door shuts.

• 42:04Speaker 07

  Yeah, the door shuts when the penis is ejaculating because we don't want pee.

• 42:08Wendy Zukerman?

  Where one door closes, another door opens.

• 42:12Speaker 07

  Yes, exactly. But sometimes that mechanism is gonna not work perfectly.

• 42:20Wendy Zukerman?

  So there was this case study out of Japan where scientists carefully tracked this 25 year old man as he ejaculated normally. And then after he ejaculated, um, then this translucent misty fluid with levels of a chemical that you would generally find in urine came out of his willy. For about a minute, they said it gushed out and he was erect the whole time. And so in this survey we did of our listeners, we actually asked folks with penises, have you ever squirted during sexual activity, which we explicitly said, we are not talking

• 43:03Wendy Zukerman?

  about cum, lubrication, ejaculation, seminal fluid. Do you want to guess how many said yes?

• 43:09Speaker 01

  Oh, let's give them 70. I'm gonna give them over 50%.

• 43:13Wendy Zukerman?

  No, it was 7%.

• 43:15Speaker 01

  Okay, it was a little bit, okay. I just added a zero for fun.

• 43:17Wendy Zukerman?

  It was 7% said yes, and we asked some urologists about this and they were very surprised, maybe even skeptical that the number could be that high.

• 43:27Wendy Zukerman?

  But I'm pretty sure ours is the only survey in the world in science that has ever asked folks with penises, have you squirted? So, because there's just been this assumption, oh, this is just something just vaginas do.

• 43:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:41Wendy Zukerman?

  So we're really in uncharted territory here.

• 43:44Speaker 01

  Wow, this is exciting.

• 43:46Wendy Zukerman?

  Right?

• 43:46Speaker 01

  But we've got it, we can't, we can't start focusing on the boy. We gotta finish with the girls first.

• 43:51Wendy Zukerman?

  We gotta finish with the girls.

• 43:52Speaker 01

  We gotta finish finding out about the women. We can't just jump ship. All of a sudden, there's gonna be all these grants and money given to find out if guys squirt. We're gonna be like, what? We are trying to figure out the protein, the constellation.

• 44:03Wendy Zukerman?

  That's exactly right.

• 44:04Speaker 01

  We're gonna find out, they're gonna tear our pages out, they're gonna...

• 44:08Wendy Zukerman?

  Exactly.

• 44:10Wendy Zukerman?

  Oh gosh. Okay, so yes, we're gonna go back to people with vaginas for our final question for today, which is if you wanna squirt, how can you do it? Lola Jean told us that she hears a lot of people, and you'll see a lot of this online, is folks saying that, you know, the key to squirting is hitting your so-called G-spot, which is really the back of your clitoris. Did a whole episode on it. But to get this area, you put your index finger and middle finger inside your vagina and kind of curl them towards your belly button. But for Lola Jean, she said hitting the G-spot is not the be all and end all. She told us that, you know, for her, she squirts anytime she hits a certain level

• 44:55Wendy Zukerman?

  of arousal, but-

• 44:57Speaker 05

  The like, G-spot flicky flicky bullshit doesn't actually really feel like, I guess I squirt, but it really doesn't feel that good. Cause I think people are hammering at the G-spot like there's no tomorrow. And I'm just trying to get them to chill out.

• 45:13Wendy Zukerman?

  A paper interviewed more than a thousand women who had squirted and found that to build up to that squirting climax, going for the vaginal wall, AKA the finger-bagging technique, it only did it for around one in six women. So it might work for some, but definitely not all. For others, clitoral stimulation was the thing that got them going. Annie, do you have any tips personally?

• 45:37Speaker 01

  Oh, I have some advice. You gotta get a clit sucker. You gotta get a clit sucker vibrator. And then I think it's-

• 45:44Wendy Zukerman?

  Wait, what is, I'm not, what is a clit sucker vibrator?

• 45:49Speaker 01

  A clit sucker is like a, it's a vibrator and it's a suction that you put right over your clit. And then while they're penetrating you, you have like the double, but it's really, it's very strong. It's very amazing.

• 46:02Wendy Zukerman?

  Wow. And that'll make you squirt every time?

• 46:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, if I, yes.

• 46:07Wendy Zukerman?

  Clit sucker, okay. Hot tip from Annie.

• 46:10Speaker 01

  Tell your friends.

• 46:11Wendy Zukerman?

  And then to release the squirt- Um, in this study, uh, the thing that worked for some people was just relaxing their muscles.

• 46:20Speaker 01

  Uh huh.

• 46:21Wendy Zukerman?

  Lola Jean told us this works for her as well, and she talked to our producer, Akedi Foster Keys about it.

• 46:27Speaker 05

  I call it the splish splash sound, but it's when you're really engorged and like, I was like, if you hear the splish splash sound, like, I'm telling you right now, you can squirt, you just have to figure out how to get it out of your body, which like, for a lot of femmes, it's like, they're just controlled to like, keep things in, keep things in, don't fart or queef or whatever. What is the splish splash sound? How, how is that different than like, regular, you know, good old mac and cheese sounding sounds?

• 46:53Speaker 05

  I think it's a little more slawcy. But you hear it, you know, when you know, you know.

• 46:57Wendy Zukerman?

  A little slawcy. Annie, have you heard this splish splash sound?

• 47:00Speaker 01

  I haven't, but I'm, I will soon.

• 47:04Wendy Zukerman?

  You're gonna listen out for it?

• 47:05Speaker 01

  Now I'm gonna listen, yeah. No, but it's definitely like a relaxing, cause it's, I do think, I have that too, where it's like, you just, you wanna like, hold in things. When, I don't know if all women feel that, but for me, what she said made sense, where it's like, yeah, you don't wanna, you don't wanna queef, you don't wanna do this, you don't wanna do that, so you're always like, trying to not exist, I guess.

• 47:26Wendy Zukerman?

  Yeah.

• 47:27Speaker 01

  But I, it, to me, it's like a, it's a, I have to be emotionally, um, open and I have to be, cause I can hold back and not do it.

• 47:36Wendy Zukerman?

  Interesting. And, and then does it make it less pleasurable generally, if you're holding back?

• 47:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, for sure, yeah.

• 47:44Wendy Zukerman?

  It's not clear that everyone is gonna experience the splish flashy sound. Not, maybe it's different for different squitters, but also we don't know that everyone can squirt. Just putting that out there.

• 47:56Speaker 01

  I just wanna say, guys, I, I really never thought I would. I never thought I would and I did, so even though you, it might not be for you, maybe it is.

• 48:04Wendy Zukerman?

  And also, this goes without saying, but we're gonna say it anyway, is that now that squirting is kinda this sexy porny thing, that people have been pushing their lovers to squirt, uh, in this way that makes them quite uncomfortable. So Lola told us about this.

• 48:21Speaker 05

  I've had a lot of people who wanna make me squirt, and sometimes they hurt me, because they're so hell bent on getting to that end result.

• 48:29Wendy Zukerman?

  There's no, this does feel like a PSA at the end of our episode. PSA at the end, but you know, there's no need to be hell bent on, on any results when it comes to sex.

• 48:41Speaker 01

  Uh huh.

• 48:42Wendy Zukerman?

  Plus, our survey and other research shows that while a lot of people do get pleasure from squirting and feel this like fabulous release, like you've talked about, Annie, some people don't like it. So in one study around, um, one in seven said that when they squirted, it wasn't pleasurable at all. And we don't know why, but sort of the point is, and Lola really stamped on this, is like, you know, if it happens for you and it feels great, that is awesome.

• 49:12Speaker 05

  Yeah, I feel like, don't get hell vented on this. It's not as great as you're probably building it up to be. So chase the pleasure, don't chase the squirt.

• 49:20Wendy Zukerman?

  So what did you, what do you, what do you think of squirting now? Now that you know all there is to know and more about squirting?

• 49:27Speaker 01

  Look, I'm a loud, proud squirter, but I think what I, the thing that I, that is interesting is the torn out pages of that book is what I'm thinking about the most, where it's just this. I think when we've just, there's just been a history of sort of, um, just sweeping women's pleasure under the rug or not, just, you know, redirecting away from it and stuff. And I think that's why I think I would just say like, do it for yourself and, you know, it's fun. It's like a fun thing and makes you feel like.

• 49:58Wendy Zukerman?

  Powerful.

• 49:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, I feel powerful. Sure.

• 50:01Wendy Zukerman?

  Yeah.

• 50:01Speaker 01

  And yeah, I'm okay with it being a little pee. I, I, I know that was very blue. It was very blue. I want to thank them for not using red because that would have been scary.

• 50:11Wendy Zukerman?

  Would have been very scary.

• 50:12Speaker 01

  Period. Can you imagine? I already have too much trouble leaving a trail of that all around town.

• 50:17Wendy Zukerman?

  Oh my God, if it was, if we came into the studio and told you.

• 50:20Speaker 01

  And we just found out it was period, I would be so mad. Oh God. But that's what's exciting. I'm, I'm just excited. I think the lesson I learned from learning how to squirt was just like, it is just a comfort and a release and just letting myself go, which is not always so easy.

• 50:36Wendy Zukerman?

  Yeah. Thank you so much, Annie.

• 50:40Speaker 01

  Well, I have to pee so bad, which is so funny. The whole time I'm like, am I, is this psychosomatic? Or do I really have to pee?

• 50:47Speaker 01

  I stand up, I'm just soaking wet.

• 50:50Wendy Zukerman?

  And it'd be fine. And it's all fine.

• 50:52Speaker 01

  I just, I think I'm ready to surrender. I'm ready to surrender my argument. All right. It's okay. I'm not mad. I'm okay with it. And I will, I will go forth, I will tell squirt jokes with integrity, scientific integrity from now on.

• 51:11Speaker 01

  Thank you so much, Eddie. We will now let you go. Thank you so much for having me. This was so knowledgeable and cute and fun. Thank you.