The TRUTH About Karma, Manifestation & FINDING YOUR PURPOSE | Sadhguru

Today's guest is yogi, mystic, and visionary, Sadhguru. Named one of India’s 50 most influential people, Sadhguru’s work has touched the lives of millions worldwide through his transformational programs. He is an internationally renowned speaker and author of New York Times Bestsellers, Inner Engineering: A Yogi’s Guide to Joy and Karma: A Yogi’s Guide to Crafting Your Destiny. Dedicated to the physical, mental and spiritual wellbeing of humanity, Sadhguru possesses a perspective on life and living that never fails to intrigue, challenge, and surprise all those he encounters. In this episode you will learnAbout karma and how it affects us everyday. Why we shouldn’t be worried about getting rid of waste in our life. The evil of limited identity. Why we need to redefine abundance in our lives. The problem with “being in the moment.”For more information go to www.lewishowes.com/1527For more Greatness text PODCAST to +1 (614) 350-3960More SOG episodes on Radical Self Love & Acceptance:Jason Derulo – https://link.chtbl.com/1460-podKaramo Brown – https://link.chtbl.com/1457-podPokimane – https://link.chtbl.com/1443-pod Get more from Lewis! Get my New York Times Bestselling book, Make Money Easy! Get The Greatness Mindset audiobook on SpotifyText Lewis AIYouTubeInstagramWebsiteTiktokFacebookX

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• 0:01Lewis Howes?

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• 0:46Lewis Howes?

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• 1:10Speaker 01

  A human being is a possibility that needs to be nurtured, not raised. Life is a possibility. Will you allow your children to explore that possibility? Or do you want to make them like concrete blocks, that they come out in a particular shape, raised in a certain way? No, this is not the way to handle it.

• 1:31Lewis Howes?

  Welcome to the School of Greatness. My name is Lewis Howes, former pro athlete turned lifestyle entrepreneur. And each week, we bring you an inspiring person or message to help you discover how to unlock your inner greatness. Thanks for spending some time with me today. Now let the class begin.

• 1:54Lewis Howes?

  Welcome to today's special episode. Over the last 1,300-plus episodes, there have been so many impactful interviews that I've been lucky enough to have. And I always like to reflect on some of the most powerful. And this episode was one that resonated with most of you guys in the past. And I'm excited for the value it's going to bring you today as well. So I hope you enjoy today's episode.

• 2:17Lewis Howes?

  The one and only Sadhguru in the house. Good to see you, sir. Very grateful to be here with you. Our second time together. First time in person together. Very excited about this. People loved our last interview. I think it got over a million views and has impacted so many lives. So we're very grateful for you and the work that you do, the inner work that you've done to help so many people. And you've got a new book called Karma: A Yogi's Guide to Crafting Your Destiny. And coming from the Midwest in Ohio, I grew up hearing the word karma, saying that if you do something bad, then bad things are coming for you. And you talk about in the book that it's not necessarily that case. Can you define karma for the uneducated person like myself? And what karma truly...

• 3:02Speaker 01

  I thought that was my title. You're stealing that from me. Uneducated guru is what people say. And now you're saying you're an uneducated interviewer. Anyway, about if you do bad things, bad things will come for you. This has been the way of the world. You don't need the word karma for that because people have been trying to control people, either with fear or guilt. This has been the basis of a whole lot of things happening in the world. If you do this, you will go to hell. If you do that, you will go to heaven. Otherwise, here itself, it will happen to you. Whatever. Or there is somebody up there with a stick waiting,

• 3:47Speaker 01

  and they will vacuum. All these kind of things. Essentially, you're trying to manage humanity, control humanity with fear or guilt. Fear and guilt, I see particularly in the Western world, is like enormous. It is in the psyche of people in such a big way. Well, karma is not about fear, karma is not about guilt, karma is about liberation. It is about freedom. Because you are a composite, as you sit here, you are a composite of various memories within you.

• 4:26Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 4:27Speaker 01

  It goes back, it goes way back, but let's start with amoeba in recent times.

• 4:35Lewis Howes?

  Okay.

• 4:36Speaker 01

  From amoeba to now, the whole evolutionary process in some ways recorded in this body. Otherwise, this body would be confused every other day whether this is human or not. This is 100% clear that this is human, this is evolutionary memory, always there. There is genetic memory, there is karmic memory, there is articulate, inarticulate, you know, unconscious, subconscious and conscious memories. Right now, when we say memory, people think only of their conscious memory, which is less than 1% of their actual memory.

• 5:07Lewis Howes?

  So the things they actually remember in their mind, the conscious memory.

• 5:11Speaker 01

  Yes, that is less than 1% of the actual memory. See, for example, I can give you a thousand examples like this which are manifesting in everybody's life. The simple thing is this, let's say 500 years ago, how your great-great-great-grandfather was, you don't remember for sure, but his nose is sitting on your face probably.

• 5:30Lewis Howes?

  Right, my ears are his ears, yeah.

• 5:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, many things, even the color of the skin and the texture of the skin, everything. So the minutest details of what happened to your forefathers a million years ago, still living with you right now.

• 5:44Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 5:45Speaker 01

  It is living with you right now. Now, all these memories, a composite or an amalgamation of all these complex memories is what you call as myself. What you call as myself consciously, maybe just a small part of that, but that small part is happening because of this massive memory that is there. In, you know, like in India, we have, in the yogic culture, we have this word called vasana.

• 6:13Lewis Howes?

  Vasana.

• 6:14Speaker 01

  Vasana, vasana literally means smell.

• 6:17Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 6:18Speaker 01

  So we say your personality is just your smell. See, right now you walk there, there is jasmine. You recognize the jasmine by its fragrance. You'll recognize filth by its stink. So, we recognize your personality by your vasana. What kind of vasana or what kind of smell is coming out of you right now, depends on what kind of stuff have you gathered. So now karma means to understand that there is all kinds of things. Because when it comes to memory, you have no choice what to keep and what not to keep.

• 6:57Lewis Howes?

  You can't erase memory.

• 6:58Speaker 01

  You cannot.

• 7:00Lewis Howes?

  No matter how hard you try.

• 7:01Speaker 01

  Try and see. What you try to forget will be foremost in your mind.

• 7:06Lewis Howes?

  Amplified, yeah.

• 7:08Speaker 01

  Whatever you think you should not remember. So always people tell me, "Sadhguru, my memory is bad." I say, "Just try to forget it." You'll see, you will remember it always.

• 7:17Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 7:17Speaker 01

  It's simple. So because this is the nature of the mind, you cannot... There is no subtraction and division in your mind. There is only addition and multiplication. Whatever you try to do, it'll be one more. If you try hard, it'll multiply. This is the nature of your mind. So, what is there in your memory is not your choice. Whatever you see, it's all recorded. Whatever you hear, everything recorded. Whatever you smell, taste, touch, every perception that you have is recorded within you. You have no choice what to record. Here, there is a flower which is beautiful, let me just record that. There, there is filth, I don't want to record that. There's no such thing. Everything gets recorded.

• 8:00Speaker 01

  So if all this is there, how do I live clean? How do I live happy?

• 8:05Lewis Howes?

  How do you eliminate the waste, the trash?

• 8:07Speaker 01

  You don't have to eliminate the waste. Waste is very valuable. If you know, right now in this garden, they buy waste at a very... You know, a very exorbitant price. Because their waste goes into the public system, they have to buy waste from somewhere. They have to buy filth.

• 8:23Lewis Howes?

  To fertilize.

• 8:24Speaker 01

  Yes. So whether you turn your filth into a fertilizer or you smear it on your face and walk around, that's your choice. This is why karma. So what kind of karma happened in my life till this moment is not always my choice. So many things have happened. But what kind of karma I perform right now in this moment is 100% my choice. Will I use this filth as manure and blossom into a wonderful fragrance? Or will I smear it around me and walk around with filth? This is the choice everybody has. When unpleasant things happen to us, which happens to everybody in some way if you're living in the world, I'm saying, unless you drop from somewhere else.

• 9:08Speaker 01

  If you're living in this world, so many unpleasant things happen. Now with these unpleasant things, do you become wise or do you become wounded? This is a choice. To exercise this choice, there must be a little space. When I say a little space, where is your memory stored? People think here, your brain has very little memory, okay? Every cell in the body carries a trillion times more memory than your entire brain.

• 9:40Lewis Howes?

  Every cell in the body.

• 9:41Speaker 01

  Every cell in the body. Because if I take one cell from you, we can, you know, create you completely in a lab. That means what? Well, your parents, your father and mother gave you only one cell each. They were not very generous, right? Only one cell each. See, a whole man came out of it.

• 10:01Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 10:02Speaker 01

  So in that one cell, all this memory, head to toe, everything was there, isn't it? No mistake. Texture of the hair, texture of the skin, the nails, the works. Every detail, to the minutest detail, was it packed in that one cell or no?

• 10:20Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 10:20Speaker 01

  Yes? So every cell in your body carries a trillion times more memory than your entire brain carries.

• 10:27Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 10:28Speaker 01

  So if you do not use that, if you just use one part of your body... Then, everything seems to be stressful. Everything seems to be a struggle. Today, everybody complaining about everything. Everything is stressful. You are a toddler, you have stress of diapers. You are a teenager, you have hormonal stress. You are middle-aged, you have crisis. You are old-aged, geriatric stress. Which is not stress. Entire life is stress. Tell them, “Okay, you die.” Oh, that is enormous stress. So, this is not because there is something wrong with anybody’s life. It’s simply because, it’s like, you have a car. It’s supposed to go on four wheels. Try to drive on one, okay, one may look like too much.

• 11:13Speaker 01

  Try to drive on two, well, within ten miles, your tires will burst. Because too much stress on one point, other things are not being used. This is all that’s happening to human beings.

• 11:24Lewis Howes?

  Are we stressing our minds too much?

• 11:28Speaker 01

  See, when we say mind, see, again, your hand went almost here. Are we stressing our minds? No, there is an entire, there is a mind across this body. What is it that you call as a mind? A certain combination of memory and intelligence is mind, isn’t it?

• 11:43Lewis Howes?

  So, our whole body is mind?

• 11:44Speaker 01

  Yes. In yoga, we see physical body, mental body, energetic body, etheric body, bliss body, like this. Everything is body. Because it is right across, it is not in any one place. Only intellectual activity is here, okay? Right now, because modern societies, particularly Western societies, have become such slaves of their intellect. Because of that, they think everything is here. Intellect works only with the data that you have gathered. You cannot function beyond your data. That means you will remain so small. Because even if you’ve read the libraries on this planet, what you know in terms of data is miniscule compared to what this cosmos is.

• 12:29Speaker 01

  With that miniscule, you think you are very intelligent because you are analyzing and processing. Anyway, all these people who think they are intellectually very smart are going to feel dumb, stupid in the next five years because your phone will be far more smarter than you. Already, people are calling it a smartphone. See, why would you call somebody or something smart? Only because it’s smarter than you, right?

• 12:51Lewis Howes?

  Right, yeah.

• 12:52Speaker 01

  Otherwise, you wouldn't, right? So, right now, too much dependence on intellect, because our education systems are crafted like this, not exploring other dimensions of intelligence at all. See, intellect, if I ask you this simple question, would you like your intellect to be sharp or blunt? Choose, choose quickly, I'm gonna bless you.

• 13:12Lewis Howes?

  Sharp.

• 13:13Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 13:14Lewis Howes?

  Sharp.

• 13:15Speaker 01

  So, essentially, intellect is like a knife. If you want to dissect something, it's very good.

• 13:20Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 13:21Speaker 01

  So, now, the only instrument that you have is a knife in your hand. You want to stitch your clothes. If you stitch your clothes with the knife, what will happen? You will be in tatters.

• 13:32Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 13:33Speaker 01

  This is what is happening to people's lives. They are trying to fix everything with their intellect. The harder they try, the more tatters they have become. With all this education, tell me, uneducated people are more unhappy or educated people are more unhappy? In the world.

• 13:51Lewis Howes?

  It depends what type of education.

• 13:53Speaker 01

  No, generally, illiterate people in the rest of the world, tribes and this and that, even in India, many, many people.

• 13:59Lewis Howes?

  Whenever I visit, I go to Guatemala almost every year and I visit small villages and the kids seem so happy.

• 14:08Speaker 01

  Because they didn't go to school, like me.

• 14:13Lewis Howes?

  They don't have much, but they have family, they have community.

• 14:16Speaker 01

  What do you mean, they don't have much?

• 14:17Lewis Howes?

  I mean, they don't have much in terms of the material world.

• 14:19Speaker 01

  They are not environmentally disastrous, that's what you're saying.

• 14:21Lewis Howes?

  Right, exactly, yeah. They don't have a lot in the material side of things, but they have a lot in their hearts, richness, connection, community, love, and they seem very happy.

• 14:31Speaker 01

  Essentially, uneducated people or illiterate people are happier than the educated people. With education, your life should have become better, isn't it? Unfortunately, they're becoming unhappy simply because they only have sharpened their knife. And a sharp knife in your hand and you're unconscious, you're cutting yourself all the time. All the time, cutting yourself.

• 14:55Lewis Howes?

  That's painful.

• 14:55Speaker 01

  You don't need any outside help.

• 14:57Lewis Howes?

  You could stab yourself.

• 14:59Speaker 01

  Yes. See, people come to me and say, "Sadhguru, my boss, he's horrible. My mother-in-law, she's not even human. My wife, she's such a pain. My husband, like this." I say, "You come here to the yoga center. I'll make sure your boss, mother-in-law, wife, husband, nobody enters this place, just you. I'll give you a nice place to live, good food to eat." Nothing to do, just be happy, that's all. Yeah. You must be just joyful. I'll make random checks on you. If I find you unhappy or miserable, then I won't feed you because I don't believe in feeding misery. If you remain joyful, I will feed you for the rest of your life and take care of you like you're my prized guest.

• 15:43Speaker 01

  But if you show misery, we won't feed you. Well, you leave them in one room for 24 hours. You will see in how many ways they'll twist themselves, how it is unbelievable. Because when you're alone, if you're miserable, obviously you're in bad company, simple. Right. I'm with you, I'm miserable. I think it's because of this guy I'm miserable, this guy I'm miserable. I'm sitting here alone and miserable. Now who? Right. Who, who is causing misery? How do we get out of that though? No, essentially, one must understand human experience is caused from within, not from outside. Right.

• 16:24Speaker 01

  What we do, arrangements we do outside in the form of home, family, automobile, this, that, these are arrangements to facilitate our activity. They are not going to make you happy or unhappy. But right now, the car sellers are telling you only this is joy, this car... I'm sorry, I'm not against any brand. I like the brand. They say this car is joy. Another somebody else says this car is love. Oh, all the best. This is power, this is, yeah. Power is okay, car has power. But where is love exuding from the engine? Or joy exuding from the engine? All right? Power, all right. But right now, if you, you know, this is something I've been noticing.

• 17:08Speaker 01

  It's only in recent times, probably last 10, 15 years. If you look at any car, I look at every advertisement, whether they're selling an automobile, or a machine, or a crane, or an earth mover, because I'm interested in anything that works. Not that I'm going to buy them. So when I look at it, car ads, nobody's telling you what's the engine, what's the transmission, what's the power, what's the torque? Nothing. They're talking about the leather, they're talking about the wood paneling, they're talking about the stereo. Are you buying a sitting room?

• 17:44Speaker 01

  You want to buy a drawing room or do you want a car? If I want a car, I would look at the engine, how it is made, what does it do? No, nothing, only...

• 17:54Lewis Howes?

  Why is that?

• 17:55Speaker 01

  Because they are buying a car for neighbors and we. They are not buying a car because they love to drive a good machine.

• 18:02Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 18:04Speaker 01

  It's always about being better than somebody else.

• 18:07Lewis Howes?

  Why do we obsess over that in general? And is that mostly in America or do you see that all over the world?

• 18:12Speaker 01

  No, no, it's everywhere. America are kind of setting the, you know, path breaking.

• 18:16Lewis Howes?

  The standard, we're the best at trying to be the best.

• 18:20Speaker 01

  So, this is unfortunate cultivation that is happening from kindergarten. If you are going to school, what your parents will say? You must be number one. If you are number one, what about all the other thirty, forty kids who are there? They must be below you.

• 18:36Lewis Howes?

  They're losers.

• 18:37Speaker 01

  They're losers. So, your joy is only in other people failing. When your joy is about other people's misery, that's not joy, that is sickness.

• 18:49Lewis Howes?

  Phew.

• 18:50Speaker 01

  Right now, whole world is invested in this. It's not just America. America kind of displays it like that. Not that it's not there everywhere else in the world, everywhere it's there. But here it's being shamelessly displayed. They are little shy everywhere left of the world, but still they got it.

• 19:09Lewis Howes?

  What would the world look like if we chose to lift everyone up and celebrate other people succeeding? Or being happy, or whatever it looks like for them to succeed? What would the world look like?

• 19:21Speaker 01

  See, I see in America, everybody keeps talking about family, family, family. But you've forgotten, just as maybe a century ago, yeah. Maybe a century ago, or even seventy years ago, or fifty years ago. If you said family, it meant crime.

• 19:38Lewis Howes?

  Why?

• 19:39Speaker 01

  Because the families were running the crime, you know? The Costa Nostra... They always refer to crime as family. Because family is a crime.

• 19:51Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 19:52Speaker 01

  Let me come to that, I know this will get me to trouble. Let me come to that. See, there is only one crime, and there's only one evil in the world, that is limited identity.

• 20:06Speaker 01

  How much crime you will commit simply depends on how empowered you are.

• 20:11Lewis Howes?

  Say one more time, how much crime you...

• 20:13Speaker 01

  Commit, simply depends on how empowered you are.

• 20:17Lewis Howes?

  How empowered you are.

• 20:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 20:18Lewis Howes?

  So do I want to be...

• 20:19Speaker 01

  If you are highly empowered and your identity is very limited, you will do terrible things. So, the most important thing is to enhance or to expand one's identity.

• 20:31Lewis Howes?

  How do we do that?

• 20:33Speaker 01

  See, for example, traditionally in the yogic culture in India, before we start education for a child, the first and foremost thing is that he must take a cosmic identity.

• 20:46Lewis Howes?

  A cosmic identity.

• 20:47Speaker 01

  Yes, he has to take that.

• 20:48Lewis Howes?

  What does that, what does that look like? So if I'm a child and you're teaching me this...

• 20:52Speaker 01

  So the thing is, one thing is, there is a mantra which says that, that he has to say it again and again. He has to look at the sky and say it, he look at the earth and say it, look at the air and say it, look at the fire and say it, all the elements of water and say it, because these are all the composition of the cosmos. You look at empty space and say it, you look at water and say it, you look at fire and say it, you look at the earth and say it, so that you understand your identity is limitless. Why this is being done is... Why this is being done is, education is seen as an empowerment. You should not empower a person who has a limited identity, because he will cause havoc.

• 21:35Speaker 01

  I'll take the worst example which will get me into trouble.

• 21:38Lewis Howes?

  Sure.

• 21:39Speaker 01

  See, everybody talks about, you're not even supposed to mention this name, Adolf Hitler. Well, many people have been there who caused enormous pain to other human beings. But I don't think anybody managed to organize it, mechanize it, and really deliver it, like a factory of misery, like this man did, all right? It's a factory.

• 22:02Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 22:03Speaker 01

  Literally, a factory of misery, manufacturing misery, properly organized. But do you think there aren't thousands or hundreds and thousands of people with the same mindset in the world?

• 22:16Lewis Howes?

  Absolutely.

• 22:17Speaker 01

  They are. Only thing is, they are not empowered like him. Competence is the only thing that's lacking. Tyranny is there in people's mind.

• 22:26Speaker 01

  They are as much tyrants as Adolf Hitler. You may find them in your school teacher. You may find them in your parents. You may find them all around you in your neighborhood. Only fortunately, they are not as potent as that man. That man is super competent. That is the problem. So, right now, human competence becomes a terrible problem simply because you have a limited identity.

• 22:47Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 22:48Speaker 01

  So, you invest your identity in a family. You invest your identity in a community, race, religion, nationality.

• 22:57Lewis Howes?

  Your relationships, your...

• 22:59Speaker 01

  Tell me, in the name of nations, in the name of race, in the name of religions, in the name of communities, how much terrible... How many terrible things have we done in this world?

• 23:10Lewis Howes?

  It's still happening today.

• 23:12Speaker 01

  No, the most terrible... Leave what's happening today. Just look back in the last hundred years.

• 23:16Lewis Howes?

  All for someone's identity, pride, country, city, state, religion, all these things.

• 23:22Speaker 01

  How... Just take 20th century, okay? One century past. 21st century is just progressing now. 20th century, take it. In the name of race, what all have we done to each other?

• 23:32Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 23:32Speaker 01

  In the name of religion, what all have we done to each other? In the name of nationality, what all have we done to each other? Just look back and see. We have literally killed half the world's population in 20th century.

• 23:43Lewis Howes?

  Because of identity?

• 23:44Speaker 01

  Yes. Of a philosophy, of an ideology. People have killed, all right?

• 23:50Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 23:51Speaker 01

  So, limited identity and empowerment is a disaster. But we are continuously cultivating this all the time. So, I said family is crime because family is the first identity that you take. After that comes community. After that comes maybe race, or religion, or nationality. Right now nationality is reasonably the largest identity you're taking. Within this nation, it looks nice that you are committed as an American to the well-being of America.

• 24:21Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 24:22Speaker 01

  But just see who is fighting who in this world? A good Indian is fighting a good Pakistan. A good Hindu is fighting a good Muslim. A good American fighting just about anybody.

• 24:39Speaker 01

  Because you never fought a war here, you go out and fight all over the world, all right? Well, you will find reasons as to why you fought that war and the heroic nature of it. I know people who lost their lives believing that they're doing the best thing in their life, yes, but I want you to know that man that you think is horrible, that terrorist, that miscreant, that militant, or whatever you want to call him, that guy also, like a suicide bomber. See, anybody, for every human being, or even for an ant, its life is precious. You try to catch him, see, he'll do everything possible to save his life. So, somebody to throw away their life like this, obviously, what they believe in means much more than their life. Crazy. Right?

• 25:24Speaker 01

  Yeah. It's not crazy. See, if they do it your way, you're, it's heroic. If they do it their way, it's crazy. I'm not trying to support terrorism or something, I'm just telling you, it's limited identity. Genocides have been committed because of limited identity. Nations have been razed down because of limited identity. Evil things we have done to each other on individual level, simply because of limited identity. So, this is what yoga means. Yoga means union. That means you consciously obliterated the boundaries of your individual nature and your experience of life expanded. Once you sit here and you experience everything around you as a part of yourself, after that,

• 26:07Speaker 01

  you do not need any morality, you do not need any commandments, thou shall not cut that tree, thou shall not kill this man, thou shall not rob this, this is meaningless to you when you have experienced something as a part of yourself. So, the entire system of yoga, and when I say yoga, I mean yoga, all right? Not the yoga that's happening in Los Angeles studios. I have nothing against them, but I'm saying we've reduced it to something just one aspect. To build an identity around. Yes. It's just twisting and turning your body, it's good for you, you'll become flexible and maybe healthy, that's good for you, but I want you to understand, would you not wish that Adolf Hitler was a sick man instead of a healthy man?

• 26:50Lewis Howes?

  I would not wish that, yeah. I wish he was a healthy man.

• 26:52Speaker 01

  Huh?

• 26:53Lewis Howes?

  I would wish he was a healthy man.

• 26:54Speaker 01

  He was healthy, that's the problem I'm saying.

• 26:56Lewis Howes?

  You wish he was a sick man?

• 26:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, would you, wouldn't you be happy if you got cancer at twenty-five?

• 27:02Lewis Howes?

  Oh, I see what you're saying.

• 27:02Speaker 01

  And you wouldn't kill all these people, wouldn't set up this factory?

• 27:05Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, I wish they wanted to die.

• 27:07Speaker 01

  So I'm saying, health becomes a curse.

• 27:10Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 27:10Speaker 01

  Competence becomes a curse, individual, intelligence becomes a curse. Why? Because you have limited identity.

• 27:17Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 27:17Speaker 01

  It's in that context I said, family is crime.

• 27:22Speaker 01

  Family is a wonderful place where people are supporting each other. Like you said, is it not important if you create a world where everybody is supporting each other to do their best? Well, that's happening in the family, that's the most beautiful aspect of the family. But why is it only limited to those four people, or five people, or whatever?

• 27:41Lewis Howes?

  What should, what should families start to reconsider about their unity, their, their connection? How could they expand it to something greater than just the family of four or six in this home, living this way?

• 27:54Speaker 01

  I don't know if you've heard, even political leaders in India, for example, wherever our Prime Minister goes to United Nations, he will say, "Vasudeva Kuttumbakam." This means, "The world is my family."

• 28:06Lewis Howes?

  Uh huh.

• 28:08Speaker 01

  It's a chant, that always he says, is "The world is our family." Uh, because this has to be inculcated from childhood, that your identity is not about a few people who are born around you, or people, a couple of people who bore you. Your identity is the air that you breathe, is your identity.

• 28:28Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 28:28Speaker 01

  This is your life.

• 28:29Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 28:29Speaker 01

  So if you identify with the air that you breathe, what is it that's not you and what is it that's you?

• 28:36Lewis Howes?

  Everything's you.

• 28:37Speaker 01

  Yes. If everything is you, your intelligence is a boon, your competence is a boon.

• 28:43Lewis Howes?

  Is it a what?

• 28:45Speaker 01

  Your intelligence, your competence, your capabilities, everything is a gift to the world.

• 28:49Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 28:50Speaker 01

  But if your identity is small, all the wonderful things that human being has becomes a curse. See, right now, our intelligence, so much science, technology we developed. But the cutting edge of science and technology always goes into military equipment, isn't it? First, at least.

• 29:09Lewis Howes?

  Uh huh.

• 29:09Speaker 01

  Many of these things will never come to you on the street, it's always there, all right? Only when every other nation has, maybe then it'll come to you.

• 29:17Lewis Howes?

  Sure, sure.

• 29:18Speaker 01

  Till then, it's just kept there.

• 29:20Lewis Howes?

  Uh huh.

• 29:20Speaker 01

  So our intelligence is going into destructive force, why? Limited identity. But right now, can I just open up the borders of this nation and say, "I love everybody"? We are not there.

• 29:30Lewis Howes?

  Why?

• 29:30Speaker 01

  We are not it there, the world is not it there, we cannot do that, all right? We still need nationality, we still need all these things. But we can hold it little lightly.

• 29:40Lewis Howes?

  Uh huh.

• 29:40Speaker 01

  We don't have to hold it like it is absolute. It is not absolute, it's something that we have done. Our idea of family is our making. Our idea of community is our making. Our idea of race, religion, everything is our making. Our idea of nationality is our making. So don't treat it like it's an absolute.

• 30:00Lewis Howes?

  What would happen if we opened up every border in every country?

• 30:03Speaker 01

  See, that would be possible only if there was no economic disparity. If there was no economic disparity, there were no national boundaries about two centuries ago. People could walk wherever they want. There were no visas and passports anywhere, because economically reasonably, everybody was in the...

• 30:22Lewis Howes?

  What about race, though? Would people be, you know, help back in that?

• 30:26Speaker 01

  Well, India, India is a classic example. If you, if you travel from north to south, every fifty kilometers, people will look different. They dress different, they talk different, and they eat different. Every, every few kilometers, you will see people are different, and we have no problem. That's what, that's how it would have been.

• 30:45Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 30:46Speaker 01

  Only because you protected yourself for too long, now race seems to be one big issue, right?

• 30:53Lewis Howes?

  But the money disparity, you think, is the challenge there?

• 30:55Speaker 01

  It is the economic disparity which is difficult to handle.

• 30:58Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 30:58Speaker 01

  Right now, if you take away the boundaries of this country, maybe half the world will be right here in the United States. And that will not be a solution.

• 31:06Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 31:07Speaker 01

  Because you will become poor.

• 31:08Lewis Howes?

  Right, right.

• 31:10Speaker 01

  Okay?

• 31:10Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 31:11Speaker 01

  The United States will be poverty ridden.

• 31:13Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 31:13Speaker 01

  If that happens. But if you totally wall yourself out, then also you will become poor in a different way. So, this has to be... First thing is, if your identity is little flexible, you will do things judiciously as it's necessary for the situation. An appropriate action. Not... Our actions are never, ever absolute. Our actions are just about being appropriate to the situations in which we exist.

• 31:42Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. If there are some parents watching or listening, and they're like, "Wow, this is very eye-opening. I've never thought of it this way." They've always raised their kids a certain way. Their kids are between...

• 31:53Speaker 01

  See, this word... This is a word that I hear very often in the United States. We don't hear this in India. "I was raised this way."

• 32:00Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 32:01Speaker 01

  People say, "I was raised Catholic. I was raised Jewish. I was raised Baptist. I was raised this way." See, you don't raise human beings. You only raise cattle.

• 32:10Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 32:12Speaker 01

  A human being is a possibility that needs to be nurtured.

• 32:16Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 32:16Speaker 01

  Not raised.

• 32:17Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 32:18Speaker 01

  In a particular way. So, you are raising people in a certain way because you are already committed to something that you think is absolute.

• 32:26Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 32:28Speaker 01

  Nothing is absolute. Life is a possibility. Will you allow your children to explore that possibility? Or do you want to make them like concrete blocks? That they come out in a particular shape, raised in a certain way? No. This is not the way to handle humanity.

• 32:45Lewis Howes?

  So, say these parents are hearing this and they wanna nurture their children in a different way.

• 32:50Speaker 01

  Yes, the first thing they must do is...

• 32:53Lewis Howes?

  But they've been taught something their whole lives.

• 32:55Speaker 01

  They can do their prayers as they know it, but let them know that it's not absolute. They can sing their national anthem with pride, wonderful. Let them know it's not absolute. Let them also teach them a two lines of global anthem. If not cosmic anthem, one global anthem which includes every life's well-being. Every child should sing this in every school.

• 33:19Lewis Howes?

  A global anthem?

• 33:20Speaker 01

  Yes, we need to make a global anthem. I'm singing Indian anthem with great fervor and you're singing American anthem. What does it mean? Next moment we get an opportunity, we're going to pull out each other's eyeballs. Yes. Not because you're bad or I'm bad, because I'm Indian and you're American, all right?

• 33:43Lewis Howes?

  Right, so global anthem.

• 33:45Speaker 01

  We need a global anthem for sure. Today, technology has many ways made national boundaries meaningless, all right? People are sitting in India and working in America right now, whole lot of people.

• 34:00Lewis Howes?

  Sitting in India and walking in America?

• 34:01Speaker 01

  Working in America.

• 34:02Lewis Howes?

  Working, oh yeah.

• 34:03Speaker 01

  Yes, they are.

• 34:03Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, they're getting paid, yeah.

• 34:05Speaker 01

  You pick up a phone, the Indian guy is practiced American accent and he's speaking from Bangalore.

• 34:12Lewis Howes?

  Right, right, yeah.

• 34:16Speaker 01

  So when national boundaries, borders have become so porous, it's time to work towards that. It's not, see tomorrow morning if you open up all the borders, there'll be disaster. We must know, these things we made at certain times for certain conveniences, it is not absolute. The lines that we have drawn on this planet are not absolute, we just made it for certain convenience. It's time to relax it. See, one great example that's happened in the world is Europe.

• 34:49Speaker 01

  They fought as bitterly as they fought World War I, World War II. Did anybody think Germany and France will share open borders? Hello? In 1944, would you believe that?

• 35:03Lewis Howes?

  No.

• 35:05Speaker 01

  See, today, they have open borders. I don't see this as a geopolitical whatever. In a way, it's an evolution of human consciousness itself. They might have done it for economic reasons, political reasons, but still, there is human consciousness involved in this because that's not easy after fighting such bitter wars when that generation is still alive. You opened your borders to each other, trusted each other. It's not a small thing to do.

• 35:34Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 35:35Speaker 01

  We need to make that happen in the world, everywhere. But for this, we need a reasonable level of economic parity. Otherwise, you cannot do it.

• 35:43Lewis Howes?

  Can't do it. One of the things I feel very grateful for, my childhood, my father, we didn't have a lot of money growing up to travel to other places outside of Ohio. But I had seven exchange students from around the world, live with us for six months at a time, from Brazil, and Japan, and Germany, and France, and Philippines.

• 36:01Speaker 01

  Nobody came from India?

• 36:03Lewis Howes?

  No one from India.

• 36:04Speaker 01

  See, otherwise, they would have taken you back.

• 36:05Lewis Howes?

  Yes, exactly. But I felt very fortunate, as a five-year-old until I was about 12, having these cultures come.

• 36:13Speaker 01

  That is a very wonderful thing to do.

• 36:14Lewis Howes?

  And learn the language, learn the food, learn about their beliefs.

• 36:18Speaker 01

  See, when you live just in a limited atmosphere, you don't know how horribly prejudiced you've become. You never realize that. You think you're doing fine. You become horribly prejudiced. I'm sure even Adolf Hitler is thinking he's fine. He thinks he's fine. That's why he's doing what he's doing.

• 36:40Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 36:41Speaker 01

  I'm saying, extreme example.

• 36:43Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 36:43Speaker 01

  Even he thinks he's doing fine. Only the wrong thing he did was he lost the war. If he had won the war, whole world would have said, "What he's done is fine."

• 36:53Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 36:54Speaker 01

  Please know that. It's a horrific thing.

• 36:57Lewis Howes?

  Do you think someone who's doing that feels a sense of guilt?

• 37:00Speaker 01

  No, no, no.

• 37:02Lewis Howes?

  Like when they're taking another life, and they're seeing someone in pain?

• 37:06Speaker 01

  See, every nation is taking somebody else's life, isn't it?

• 37:12Lewis Howes?

  Every nation?

• 37:13Speaker 01

  Yes, every nation is, isn't it?

• 37:15Lewis Howes?

  But I mean, not individual, one person.

• 37:17Speaker 01

  See, nation means it's individuals who act on the ground, right?

• 37:20Lewis Howes?

  Uh huh, yeah.

• 37:22Speaker 01

  It's an American pilot who drops the bomb. It's an American sniper who pulls the trigger, all right? But he believes he is doing it for the country.

• 37:30Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 37:31Speaker 01

  So he won't feel any guilt. Even the terrorist, who is right now, which we think is absolutely unreasonable and insane, that guy thinks he's doing the right thing. He's doing God's work, not a simple thing. He feels great pride in what he's doing. So this is why I'm saying it's a limited identity. It is not that somebody is bad, somebody is good. The moment you have limited identity, you are a crime. It's just that whether your crime is recognized in the law as a crime or not is a subjective thing. But you are a crime. Right now, I sit here, my identity is with myself. I'm interested in the well-being of this. I don't care a damn what happens to this.

• 38:15Speaker 01

  So this is a crime. I may not shoot you with a gun, but I'm committing a crime because I don't care what happens to you. The moment in some way you forsake your humanity, "I don't care," means I have forsaken my humanity. It is a crime. Will I cause enormous damage or small damage? Simply depends on how competent I am. So competency becomes a curse.

• 38:43Lewis Howes?

  The more competent you are, the more you can hurt and harm.

• 38:47Speaker 01

  Your intelligence and competence into being a solution becomes a problem. Isn't that what is happening in the world today?

• 38:53Lewis Howes?

  Uh huh. So where does karma fit in? Around people that are acting to harm or to not support someone else's well-being or the things around them? How does karma fit in?

• 39:10Speaker 01

  See, all your identity is only from your memory, isn't it? How are you an American? You remember that you were born in America.

• 39:18Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 39:19Speaker 01

  Suppose I erase your memory, are you American?

• 39:21Lewis Howes?

  Suppose what?

• 39:22Speaker 01

  I erase your memory.

• 39:24Lewis Howes?

  Am I an American?

• 39:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:25Lewis Howes?

  I don't know.

• 39:25Speaker 01

  No. So, how does your family identity come? How do your racial identity come? Everything is by memory, isn't it?

• 39:33Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 39:33Speaker 01

  Now karma means this accumulated massive amount of memory. Now, will you stand above that? This is the stage for our life. This karmic background is like a platform. If you create enough surface tension in this, you can stand on it and do your fresh act today. But if your feet sink into it like quicksand, then you are just a victim of your memory. Right now, the person that you think is a racist is a victim of his memory.

• 40:05Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 40:06Speaker 01

  The person that you think is a terrorist is a victim of his memory. The person who is a suicide bomber is a victim of his memory because he remembers what has been taught to him, all right? If he loses his memory, he's a fine guy.

• 40:20Lewis Howes?

  Right, right, right.

• 40:21Speaker 01

  Yes. So, right now, you don't have to lose your memory. Where is your memory? Your memory is in your body. And what you call as your mind, which is all one, all right? This is hardware, that is software.

• 40:35Lewis Howes?

  Sure, sure.

• 40:36Speaker 01

  So, this software, you wrote it unconsciously through various incidents, experiences, your own perception according to your intelligence. You wrote your own kind of software unconsciously. It's written by you, but unconsciously. There have been cases where people have sleepwalked and committed a murder. Even the judiciary thinks that is not worth punishing. They don't punish them, even though they committed murder sleepwalking. As far as the act is concerned, somebody died. They lost their life, not a small thing. But this man was sleeping. So, that man doesn't get punishment because he was sleepwalking, all right? He could have even killed himself in his sleepwalking.

• 41:21Speaker 01

  It's possible.

• 41:22Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 41:23Speaker 01

  But instead, he killed somebody else. So, essentially, you're unconscious. So, you're not punishable because you're less than a child, I'm saying.

• 41:32Lewis Howes?

  Mm-hmm.

• 41:34Speaker 01

  But the important thing is to become conscious. Where is your memory? It's in the body, it's in the mind. If you create a little distance between you and your body, between you and your mind, this is the end of your karma. The end of your karma? Yes. The karmic influence, I mean to say. Karma is still there. Yes. Karma is the richness of your life. Okay, if you have no karma, you will be a bimbo. Right. All right? There is karma. There is the more rich and vibrant the karma is, the better. Only thing is, is it your platform to dance upon? Or is it a quicksand that sucks you in? Hmm. Most human beings right now are only suffering their memory, isn't it? Yeah.

• 42:19Speaker 01

  This moment, they are not suffering. What happened yesterday, they are suffering. What happened ten days ago, they are suffering. Why what happened twenty-five years ago, they are still suffering? When they hold on to the thought, the memory. See, it is not their choice. To think about the thought. They don't have to. They are identified with the situations in which they were. Now it makes them suffer. Today, we know that a whole lot of diseases that people are suffering are psychosomatic. It does not mean they are always thinking about it. But it's working, the memory is working. Depending on how strongly you are identified. Let's say you are strongly identified with your family structure. Now, something happened in your family, which is not pleasant.

• 43:02Speaker 01

  Something very unpleasant happened, let's say. Now, you don't have to every day think about it. Slowly, your face will become like this. A lot of people, just think. Because the memory is working from inside you, it doesn't even ask you permission. It doesn't ask you permission, should I come or go? It just works on every cell in your body. Slowly, you lose your vibrancy. What was a vibrant, exuberant person, slowly it becomes like this. This has happened to more than seventy-five percent of the population. Right. When they were five, six years of age, how joyful and exuberant lives they were. Uh huh. By the time they are thirty, they are like this. What is their problem? What is their problem? Is somebody poking them?

• 43:44Speaker 01

  No, because their karma is overtaking them. So, the entire process of this book is step-by-step way of standing above your karma, on the richness of your memory, because you can convert this memory into manure and you can blossom upon that.

• 44:02Lewis Howes?

  Oh.

• 44:02Speaker 01

  Because what happened yesterday, you cannot change. What is happening today, you can only experience. What is tomorrow, you have to create.

• 44:10Lewis Howes?

  Hmm. When you have... I mean, you've experienced some bad things in the past, right? Some harmful things, some challenges, pain. You've felt these things, right?

• 44:21Speaker 01

  No.

• 44:21Lewis Howes?

  In the past?

• 44:23Speaker 01

  People try to do lots of bad things and they're still doing lots of them. Every day, a whole bunch of people abuse me, people that I've never met. They have enormous hatred for me. Because, you know, like today, what I've said, a whole lot of people will hate me for this, do you know?

• 44:40Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 44:42Speaker 01

  Because their identities are shaken. They have created false sense of identity upon which they are standing, shaking. They know if this is gone, they have nothing to live for. They need to understand, there is a life beyond identities. Identities are created for purpose of action in a given situation. It is... None of our identities are absolute. See, first of all, we need to understand, before you and me came here, countless number of people walked this planet. Where are they? All topsoil, part of the manure in this garden. Yes or no?

• 45:18Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 45:18Speaker 01

  You and me, what will we be in hundred years' time?

• 45:21Lewis Howes?

  Same thing.

• 45:21Speaker 01

  Same thing, unless your friends fear, you may raise from the dead and bury you real deep. So, no roots can get to you. I'm saying. So, we are just a small pop-up in time, but we are thinking too much of ourselves.

• 45:39Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 45:41Speaker 01

  Because we attach too much self-significance to ourselves, because of that, our identities have risen beyond absurd limitations.

• 45:52Lewis Howes?

  Can identities be good at all? Can having an identity be good?

• 45:56Speaker 01

  See, without identity, you cannot function in the world. Right now, this is me, that's you. If this identity is not there, if you ask me a question, I look like this. What's the point of that? No activity is possible without identity. The important thing is to... It's like wearing your clothes. Right now, these are my clothes. See, I wear loose clothes.

• 46:16Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 46:16Speaker 01

  So that always you're aware, this is my clothing, this is not me. Suppose I wear skin-tight nylon clothes. After some time, I don't know which is my clothing, which is my skin. So that's all the thing is. Do you have a space between you and what you have created? Or are you stuck with it? That's the important thing. If you are stuck with it, you will do crazy things, thinking you're doing good things.

• 46:40Lewis Howes?

  If you're held onto the identity, if you're attached to it?

• 46:44Speaker 01

  Ah, it will wrap you up. Once you create it and leave it, it will just wrap you up unless you're conscious.

• 46:53Lewis Howes?

  Sure.

• 46:54Speaker 01

  So if you can... See, this is the entire inner engineering process we are offering. It's just this. If you do this practice, which we call as Shambhavi, if you sit here, your body is here, your mind is out there. What is you is elsewhere. Once there is a little space between you and your body, between you and your mind, this is it. One thing is, there's no suffering within you anymore. Because suffering happens only two ways, physical suffering, mental suffering. Do you know any other kind of suffering?

• 47:25Lewis Howes?

  I'm aware of it.

• 47:26Speaker 01

  Once there is a little distance, this is the end of suffering. And above all, this is the end of all identity.

• 47:32Lewis Howes?

  And how do you distance the suffering?

• 47:34Speaker 01

  You don't distance the suffering. You distance yourself from your own body and your mind. This is what the practice is about. How to distance means this. See, right now, there are life energies. See, when you were a five-year-old child, how much were you identified with your body?

• 47:54Lewis Howes?

  I'm trying to remember a five-year-old child.

• 47:59Lewis Howes?

  How much do I identify as my body? I think I was probably exploring my body, trying to run around.

• 48:06Speaker 01

  Not at five, you were not exploring any body.

• 48:08Lewis Howes?

  My body? I think I was like running and jumping and I was like being active.

• 48:11Speaker 01

  That's it. You were using it, but you're not identifying it. Because every day it's changing, you can't even identify with it, all right?

• 48:17Lewis Howes?

  Right, right, yes.

• 48:18Speaker 01

  Your identity with the body got strengthened when you became an adolescent.

• 48:22Lewis Howes?

  Okay.

• 48:23Speaker 01

  That is when, when hormones started poisoning your mind.

• 48:28Speaker 01

  When your hormones hijacked your intelligence, suddenly you lost your sense of who you are.

• 48:32Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 48:32Speaker 01

  Otherwise, you as a life were far more exuberant than your body can ever be. Yes or no?

• 48:39Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 48:39Speaker 01

  When a child laughs, when a child jumps, when a child does these things, I'm still like this.

• 48:46Speaker 01

  I'm saying, you will see, body is just a thing to use.

• 48:51Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 48:51Speaker 01

  He's not that.

• 48:52Lewis Howes?

  It's just a...

• 48:52Speaker 01

  That's not the prime thing. The same was true with your intellect and your mind also, isn't it, when you were a child? So now...

• 48:59Lewis Howes?

  You're curious, you're exploring, you're...

• 49:00Speaker 01

  Yes, because it was changing and growing.

• 49:04Lewis Howes?

  You're questioning everything.

• 49:06Speaker 01

  You, you real... you, you... not that you consciously realize, but you know this is not it, because your exuberance is beyond that. If you keep your exuberance of life like that today, very clearly you know what is you, what is your body, what is your mind. When I say what is you, let us not give a definition to that, but your body we can define. It's a defined physical form. So we can define this. How did this happen? Just the food that you've eaten, isn't it? This is a heap of food.

• 49:37Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 49:38Speaker 01

  What you call as my mind is a heap of impressions. What you gather, whatever you gather, can be yours, but can never ever be you, isn't it?

• 49:50Lewis Howes?

  What you gather, mean?

• 49:51Speaker 01

  See, right now, this cup.

• 49:54Lewis Howes?

  It's yours, but it's not you.

• 49:55Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 49:56Lewis Howes?

  Your thoughts are yours, but they're not you.

• 49:59Speaker 01

  They're not you. Because yesterday you had one kind of thought, today you have another, tomorrow you may have different thoughts.

• 50:05Lewis Howes?

  Does a collection of your thoughts make up you?

• 50:07Speaker 01

  No.

• 50:09Lewis Howes?

  What makes up you?

• 50:12Speaker 01

  Why are you asking me? (laughing) See, this is the problem. You want to get life into a definition. You can only define that which has distinct physical boundaries. Anything which doesn't have a physical boundary, you cannot define that, isn't it?

• 50:33Lewis Howes?

  It's boundless.

• 50:34Speaker 01

  Don't go there, that is also a definition because that's just a word.

• 50:37Lewis Howes?

  Okay.

• 50:39Speaker 01

  Alright, boundless is a good word, but still it is just a word. People think boundless means, "Oh, maybe like that." Boundary means like this. No, no, that is also a boundary, isn't it?

• 50:50Lewis Howes?

  Sure, yeah.

• 50:51Speaker 01

  When you are a child, maybe this house compound was your world. Today, your world might have expanded, but still it's a boundary.

• 51:01Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 51:01Speaker 01

  Larger boundary, but still it's a boundary. But there is something naturally within every human being that the moment you realize you are restricted by a boundary, you want to go beyond that. Whoever you are right now, you want to be something more.

• 51:16Lewis Howes?

  Don't touch this, okay, I wanna touch.

• 51:17Speaker 01

  No, no, I'm not talking about that. See, whoever you are right now, you want to be something more.

• 51:22Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 51:22Speaker 01

  If that something more happens tomorrow, you want to be something more, isn't it?

• 51:27Lewis Howes?

  Why is that?

• 51:28Speaker 01

  That's what I'm saying. This is an innate longing within the human being because there is something within you which is not physical in nature. It doesn't like boundaries. Till you experience that, you will think, you by shopping, you will expand your boundaries, by ambition, you will expand your boundaries, by conquest, you will expand your boundaries. See, always a human being is seeing how to be something more. If it finds a very basic physical expression, we call this sexuality. What sexuality means is, something that is not you, you're trying to experience, is it a part of yourself? It works for a few moments. Then, anyway, two people are separate.

• 52:11Speaker 01

  If it happens mentally, it is called ambition, conquest, or simply shopping. Different people do it different ways. If it happens on an emotional level, we call it love. What love means is, somebody who is not you, you want to experience them as a part of yourself. But if you do it consciously, we call it yoga. That if you do it successfully, it's called yoga. Yoga does not mean twisting and turning, yoga means union. That means you consciously obliterated the boundaries of your individuality, so that you experience the union with everything. This is not an idea, this is not a philosophy. This is the nature of the existence. Most people get it only when you bury them unfortunately.

• 52:56Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 52:57Speaker 01

  When you bury them, they understand they're part of the earth, right?

• 53:00Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 53:01Speaker 01

  That also they won't understand, because they... today they're burying them in a concrete box.

• 53:05Lewis Howes?

  Right, they're creating a boundary around them, yes.

• 53:08Speaker 01

  Yes, that's worst thing to do. At least when you die, you should become part of the earth.

• 53:11Lewis Howes?

  Right. Why is it so hard for people to feel that type of love? That unity love, the conscious love, in a relationship, an intimate relationship?

• 53:23Speaker 01

  See, this is because they are interested in the fruit, not in the root.

• 53:28Lewis Howes?

  The fruit, not the root?

• 53:29Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 53:30Lewis Howes?

  What's the root?

• 53:31Speaker 01

  See, right now, you want to experience love. So what will we do? Like, people are going about chanting this mantra, "I love you, you love me, you love me, I love you," throughout the day. Because you know if you don't say it for two days, it may go away. Love does not happen because you say it. Love does not happen because you're attracted to somebody. Yes, you may feel it at certain moments. When you like something, you may also begin to love it, all right? Essentially, love means sweetness of your emotion.

• 54:03Lewis Howes?

  Sweetness of your emotions.

• 54:05Speaker 01

  Yes. When you have very sweet emotions, that's called love, isn't it? If I have nasty emotions, that's called hate, that's called whatever. So sweetness of your emotion, why is it that you have tied it to something that you like to eat? "I love ice cream." "I love this man or woman." "I love this, I love that, I love car, I love Ford, I love Chevy." You know, people are talking this everywhere, all right? So... or "I love God," that's the safest thing to do.

• 54:39Speaker 01

  Because you can always claim God loves you. But if you claim this person loves me, tomorrow the guy, when it goes away, you can't say anything. But this is a safe thing to do, all right? People have found various ways. I am not saying there's anything wrong with that. It's okay. You use whatever means you want to feel the sweetness of your emotion. But you must understand, it's the sweetness of your emotion. I am asking you, what happens within you? Why is it determined by somebody else?

• 55:10Speaker 01

  What happens within you, if it's determined by somebody else? This is the worst form of slavery, isn't it?

• 55:16Lewis Howes?

  When love is determined by someone else.

• 55:18Speaker 01

  Not only love. Your happiness, your joy, your peacefulness, your love, anything that happens within you. When your inner experience is determined by something or somebody, that is the worst form of slavery.

• 55:31Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 55:33Speaker 01

  But we are a free country.

• 55:36Lewis Howes?

  So, when people are in a relationship and there seems to be a wave of joy and love and acceptance and then other days, maybe it's anger or resentment or frustration. How do we move out of that and more into acceptance and conscious love as opposed to control or manipulation? Or, well, you need to do this to make me happy. How do we expand beyond that?

• 56:05Speaker 01

  See, first of all, you must decide. Is your life in pursuit of happiness or is it an expression of joy?

• 56:13Lewis Howes?

  Is it in the pursuit of happiness or expression of joy?

• 56:18Speaker 01

  Tell me, in your life, when you're expressing your joy, was that the best moment? Or when you're pursuing happiness, was that the best moment?

• 56:27Lewis Howes?

  The joy.

• 56:27Speaker 01

  Yes. So, why is it that you have not done that? Because you still believe there is joy in this tree and you can squeeze it out. There is joy in this man or woman that you can squeeze it out. You bring them and then you expect relationship to be great. It will not be. You're wringing them out so that juice of joy will come to you or love will come to you. No. Love is not something that you do. Love is something that you can become. It's your quality. If your mind is in a certain way, it's joyful. If your emotions are in a certain way, it's loving. This is the quality of sweetness of body. If your body becomes sweet and pleasant, it's called health and pleasure.

• 57:09Speaker 01

  If your mind becomes very pleasant, it's called peacefulness and joyfulness. If your emotions become pleasant, it's called love and compassion. If your very life energy becomes pleasant, it is called blissfulness and ecstasy. Only if your surroundings become pleasant, it's called success. Only to achieve success, you need competence, you need cooperation, you need help from other people, all right? Because without all of them cooperating, there will be no success. Right now, these guys must cooperate. Otherwise, this shoot is not going to go well, all right? But even if these guys don't shoot well, we can still be joyful. They cannot stop us.

• 57:53Lewis Howes?

  No, we can be joyful, yeah.

• 57:55Speaker 01

  Yes, they cannot stop us. But for the shoot to go well, you, they need to cooperate. If they don't cooperate, the situation will not go well. For the success of this situation, you need the cooperation of all these people. But for my body, for my mind, for my emotion and my energies to feel pleasant, I don't need anybody's cooperation. This is 100% my business. So right now, to experience love within you, you're asking somebody to be in a certain way. Oh, all the best. You're going to have a trip.

• 58:30Lewis Howes?

  Well, I want to acknowledge you before I ask these two final questions, or two additional questions. I want to acknowledge you for being in a journey with all of us. I think the fact that you have learned so much and you want to show up every day and teach, and you want to show up and create content and offer solutions through whatever means necessary, whether it's books, courses, videos, TikTok, things you're not even a part of, that you're aware that are impacting the world. I'm just appreciative and acknowledge your showing up.

• 58:59Speaker 01

  No, all this effort is to...

• 59:03Speaker 01

  Because I want to live in a joyful, loving, exuberant world.

• 59:09Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 59:09Speaker 01

  So I'm just trying to set that master for myself.

• 59:13Lewis Howes?

  Of course, yeah.

• 59:14Speaker 01

  All right? So this is not a service, this is not a mission. This is just as simple, like a dog comes, if it wants to sit down, rearranges the rug and sits down, you know?

• 59:24Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 59:24Speaker 01

  I'm just trying to rearrange humanity so that I can live among joyful, exuberant, loving human beings.

• 59:30Lewis Howes?

  I love it.

• 59:31Speaker 01

  Don't you want to?

• 59:31Lewis Howes?

  Absolutely.

• 59:32Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 59:32Lewis Howes?

  I'm in.

• 59:32Speaker 01

  So as a part of this, we are working towards creating a conscious planet.

• 59:36Lewis Howes?

  Mm-hmm.

• 59:37Speaker 01

  Lois, you must be part of that in some way. I'm trying to put together all the influences in the world to come together, own this process, and create a conscious world, because that's the only thing that's lacking. Never before in the history of humanity, any generation had these kind of conveniences, these kind of comforts, these kind of wonderful things that we have today. Never before, human survival was better organized than it is today.

• 1:00:05Lewis Howes?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:00:06Speaker 01

  If we don't do it now, when? Many great beings have come on this planet, but when they spoke, hardly ten people could hear.

• 1:00:14Lewis Howes?

  Hmm, that's true.

• 1:00:16Speaker 01

  Today, we can sit here and talk to the entire world. When we have this, if we do not transform the world into a more loving, joyful, exuberant humanity, it simply means we don't care.

• 1:00:28Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 1:00:28Speaker 01

  I don't want to go as that.

• 1:00:30Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, it's beautiful. It's a beautiful way of being. This question I asked you last time, but you didn't really answer it, so I'm gonna ask it again.

• 1:00:39Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:00:39Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, it's okay. This is called the three truths. And maybe you don't have an answer, and that's fine. It's called the three truths. It's a hypothetical question, so I'd like you to imagine you get to live as long as you want to live in this physical body on this earth, but then, one day, you gotta go. And you gotta take all your work with you. All your content, your videos.

• 1:00:58Speaker 01

  Why would I want to take it?

• 1:00:59Lewis Howes?

  It's a hypothetical. It's a hypothetical. You don't, you don't, you're not gonna take it, but it has to go somewhere. No one has access to it anymore. So it's gotta go somewhere else, but we don't have access to your information, your content. Your books, all of it's gone. For whatever reason.

• 1:01:13Speaker 01

  I've already taken care of it.

• 1:01:14Lewis Howes?

  It's a hypothetical, right? So imagine that you only get to share three final things that we would, we would have. Three final lessons, that this is all we would have to remember you by, your information. I call three truths. What would you be, what would be your three truths for the world?

• 1:01:34Speaker 01

  Oh, only three.

• 1:01:37Lewis Howes?

  Maybe this is why you didn't answer last time, but...

• 1:01:41Speaker 01

  Everybody just shut up, look and listen.

• 1:01:44Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:46Speaker 01

  Really look. Right now, people are not looking. If they look, they are making their conclusions based on their identities. They're not hearing anything. They're making their conclusions. Just shut up, look and listen, life is all there.

• 1:02:03Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. That's one.

• 1:02:05Speaker 01

  That's all. That's three. Shut up is one.

• 1:02:08Lewis Howes?

  Shut up is one.

• 1:02:08Speaker 01

  Look and listen, three.

• 1:02:10Lewis Howes?

  I love it.

• 1:02:11Speaker 01

  If you do this, everything that I'm speaking will be naturally yours. This is all I did. I just shut up, looked at everything absolutely. Investing my whole life energy in my look and investing my whole life energy in listening. And that's all I know. And you, whatever I know, you will know if you just learn to look and listen, but first you must shut up.

• 1:02:36Lewis Howes?

  I love it.

• 1:02:36Speaker 01

  Shut up means not just outside, inside, you must shut up. Is that a good teaching?

• 1:02:43Lewis Howes?

  It's great, I love it. It's perfect, it's perfect. Final question now, now this is my final question. What's your definition of greatness?

• 1:02:51Speaker 01

  What is my definition of greatness? If it can be defined, it's not great enough for me.

• 1:03:02Speaker 01

  As I said, definition means it has clear boundaries.

• 1:03:06Lewis Howes?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:03:07Speaker 01

  Well, if you can be here without any sense of boundary, that's greatness.

• 1:03:13Lewis Howes?

  There you go. Thank you so much, Sadhguru. Appreciate it.

• 1:03:16Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 1:03:16Lewis Howes?

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