The Hidden Way Your Diet Programs Your Baby's Health | Jessie Inchauspé

Jessie Inchauspé drops a truth bomb most moms never hear: what you eat during pregnancy doesn't just affect you. It rewires your baby's metabolism, nervous system, and disease risk for life. She shares groundbreaking research showing how glucose spikes during pregnancy can double a child's diabetes risk decades later, and why the old "bun in the oven" metaphor does actual harm to expecting mothers. This isn't about restriction or perfection. It's about understanding that you're not passive during pregnancy, you're soil nourishing a seed. The simple shifts Jessie teaches can protect your child from chronic inflammation, strengthen their immune system, and give them a metabolic advantage from day one. Whether you're planning pregnancy, currently expecting, or supporting someone who is, this conversation will change how you think about prenatal nutrition forever. The Greatness Playbook: The Cravings Control Edition Jesse’s books: Glucose Revolution: The Life-Changing Power of Balancing Your Blood Sugar The Glucose Goddess Method: The 4-Week Guide to Cutting Cravings, Getting Your Energy Back, and Feeling Amazing 9 Months That Count Forever: How Your Pregnancy Diet Shapes Your Baby's Future In this episode you will: Learn why the timing of what you eat matters more than obsessing over which foods to completely eliminate Understand how a mother's nutrition directly impacts her baby's brain development, neuron formation, and future mental health Discover how glucose spikes during pregnancy program your baby's metabolism and disease risk for their entire lifetime Recognize the hidden inflammation triggers in your diet that most pregnancy advice completely ignores Master simple meal sequencing strategies that stabilize blood sugar without restrictive dieting or constant deprivation For more information go to https://lewishowes.com/1899 For more Greatness text PODCAST to +1 (614) 350-3960 More SOG episodes we think you’ll love: Dr. William Li Dr. Jessica Knurick Dr. Will Bulsiewicz Get more from Lewis! Get my New York Times Bestselling book, Make Money Easy! Get The Greatness Mindset audiobook on SpotifyText Lewis AIYouTubeInstagramWebsiteTiktokFacebookX Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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• 0:00Lewis Howes?

  Did you know that the nutrients you eat, or lack of nutrients you eat while you're pregnant, ladies, directly impacts the brain development and the nervous system of your kids? Guys, ladies, if you're about to have kids, this is a must-watch, a must-listen to episode on what you should be eating to set up your future kids' lives for success. Let's go ahead, dive in.

• 0:27Jessie Inchauspé?

  I think there's an issue with the societal myth that when you're pregnant, you're going to gain weight anyway, therefore you should eat as much as you want to eat for two. There's an issue with this belief that's perpetuated in society that pregnancy is the time to eat whatever the heck you want because you're going to get fat anyway. It's really backwards. Actually, pregnancy is a moment where I believe we need to be extra aware and extra educated about what we're eating because everything you eat when you're pregnant goes straight to your baby's bloodstream.

• 0:55Lewis Howes?

  Known around the world as the glucose goddess, and she is a biochemist, a bestselling author, and one of the most influential voices in modern nutrition education. Jesse, welcome back to the School of Greatness.

• 1:05Jessie Inchauspé?

  Some studies done on animals are suggesting that during pregnancy, your brain gets more pleasure from sugar than when you're not pregnant. So it intensifies sugar cravings. And of course, would it be better to have zero sugar during pregnancy? Of course. Is that realistic? Absolutely not. This is not the mom's fault. The moms didn't decide that our entire food system was going to be processed food-based. They didn't decide that the cheaper thing to buy is the crisps versus the healthy broccoli. This is not the mom's fault. This is a societal issue.

• 1:36Lewis Howes?

  You talk about these four key nutrients that influence a baby's development in the womb. What are those four key?

• 1:41Jessie Inchauspé?

  Okay, so the first one is...

• 1:45Lewis Howes?

  I feel like people are struggling with their health so much. And I have a personal experience with my wife just going through pregnancy and having twins. But even in that process, I'm getting inundated with content on social media of like, "Don't do this," and "Moms need to do that," and "Make sure you don't eat this. You're going to ruin your children's life forever." And it's like, it's kind of scary hearing everyone talk about what to do, what not to do. Even doctors and scientists and researchers saying different things. They go like, "Well, this doctor says to do this, and that doctor says not to do this." So what do mothers do to make sure when they're pregnant? Pre-pregnancy, during pregnancy and post-pregnancy to make sure they don't mess their kids up.

• 2:30Lewis Howes?

  Like, it's a scary thing.

• 2:31Jessie Inchauspé?

  I think you said it right. We're inundated. Social media tells you all kinds of things. There's also a lot of emotional pressure on women. You know, you can feel like guilty, like, am I not doing enough? Am I doing enough? Doctors are really focused on short-term diseases. Like, do you have gestational diabetes? Do you have this? Do you have that? You're stressed out. And I was in that same situation. I was pregnant last year with my son and I also felt inundated. I also felt confused. And as a scientist, I told myself, okay, let me just like block out the noise a little bit and let me go into the science and the research. So that's what I did. I looked at all the studies because Instagram is not science.

• 3:10Jessie Inchauspé?

  So I looked at all the studies and I found some few easy, high-leverage things that I could do that had a proven positive impact on my baby's development in terms of food, without it feeling overwhelming, without it being incompatible with, you know, the nausea-prone first trimester, et cetera. And I want to address this concept of pressure early on in this talk so we can then move on from it. There is innate pressure in being pregnant because you're building another human. And I hear a lot this word guilt, you know, when it comes to nutrition tips. Yeah, mom guilt for nutrition.

• 3:46Lewis Howes?

  It's real, huh?

• 3:48Jessie Inchauspé?

  I think it's wrong because in terms of nutrition, for example, what I found is that most moms don't have access to the proper nutrition for their baby to grow optimally, but it's not the mom's fault. We live in a society today where most people are eating processed fruits. We're all suffering from bad nutrition habits, including pregnant moms, but it's not their fault. And nobody tells them what they can actually do. So what I tried to do with this book is give people a simple guide to navigate that pressure without the guilt, to navigate the broken food landscape we live in during this period of pregnancy, which has a disproportionate impact on the lifelong health of our baby.

• 4:30Lewis Howes?

  Wow. And that's what you're doing.

• 4:32Jessie Inchauspé?

  That's what I tried to do with this book, yeah.

• 4:34Lewis Howes?

  And so to start then, what would you say are the, you talk about these four key nutrients that influence a baby's development in the womb. What are those four key?

• 4:42Jessie Inchauspé?

  Okay, so the first one is choline. We're going to talk about it.

• 4:45Lewis Howes?

  Okay.

• 4:46Jessie Inchauspé?

  Choline is...

• 4:49Jessie Inchauspé?

  Essential to forming your baby's brain. It's in eggs, in animal foods, a little bit in plants.

• 4:55Lewis Howes?

  Watch out vegans.

• 4:56Jessie Inchauspé?

  Exactly. The second one is glucose, and this has been my work for the past, you know, seven years, talking about blood sugar balance. It's also important during pregnancy.

• 5:07Lewis Howes?

  So it's important to have glucose?

• 5:08Jessie Inchauspé?

  It's important to have enough for your baby, but not too much. It's all about the balance. The third one is protein. You need enough protein when you're pregnant, because your baby at birth is 50% protein, if you exclude water. So you need to give him enough protein to develop. And the last one is omega-3s. And this is a fat that comes from fish and is important for your baby's brain. So those are the four pillars. And if you optimize these four pillars, you will give your baby a very good soil out of which he can grow.

• 5:41Lewis Howes?

  To develop.

• 5:41Jessie Inchauspé?

  Exactly.

• 5:42Lewis Howes?

  What would you say are the four things that moms should eliminate from their diet pre or during pregnancy?

• 5:50Jessie Inchauspé?

  All the known toxic ones. So cigarettes, alcohol, as much as you can, drugs, I mean, all the stuff that your doctor will tell you. Those are the real ones to eliminate. When it comes to things like sugar, for example, we all have sugar cravings during pregnancy. And in fact, some studies done on animals are suggesting that during pregnancy, your brain gets more pleasure from sugar than when you're not pregnant. So it intensifies sugar cravings. And of course, would it be better to have zero sugar during pregnancy? Of course. Is that realistic? Absolutely not. So it's about eating sugar in a way that creates less impact. And apart from that, really, do you need to eliminate anything else? No, I think anything can be part of your pregnancy diet.

• 6:33Jessie Inchauspé?

  But if you have these four key pillars in, you're gonna have a really good baseline.

• 6:37Lewis Howes?

  Is there an issue with? Pregnant women who are saying, "Well, you know what? I'm craving this and I'm just gonna eat as much as I want until I stop craving."

• 6:46Jessie Inchauspé?

  There's no issue with women. I think there's an issue with the societal myth that when you're pregnant, you're gonna gain weight anyway, therefore you should eat as much as you want to eat for two. There's an issue with this belief that's perpetuated in society that pregnancy is the time to eat whatever the heck you want because you're gonna get fat anyway. It's really backwards. Actually, pregnancy is a moment where I believe we need to be extra aware and extra educated about what we're eating because everything you eat when you're pregnant goes straight to your baby's bloodstream. There's another myth, Lewis, that there's a filtering process going on, that your baby's just gonna get what he needs and none of the stuff that he doesn't need.

• 7:26Lewis Howes?

  He gets all of it.

• 7:27Jessie Inchauspé?

  He gets all of it. So the placenta is an organ that you grow in your uterus next to your baby. And the placenta brings your bloodstream and your baby's bloodstream in really close contact to exchange nutrition.

• 7:38Lewis Howes?

  Crazy.

• 7:39Jessie Inchauspé?

  I know. Now, the placenta is not a filter. The placenta trusts, largely trusts, that whatever is in your bloodstream belongs in your baby's bloodstream. Which is why it's important to not drink alcohol, smoke cigarette, or do illegal drugs because they're gonna show up in your baby's bloodstream. It's the same for all the other nutrients.

• 7:58Lewis Howes?

  Let's say a woman who's pregnant is like, "I'm just gonna have the whole pint of ice cream every single day because I'm craving it and it's okay and this is what moms have done for the last 50 years and whatever."

• 8:09Jessie Inchauspé?

  Yeah.

• 8:10Lewis Howes?

  What is that? Like, how much of that sugar rush is actually going into the bloodstream of the placenta and then impacting the fetus? And then as the baby grows, like, how much does it impact throughout the stage of pregnancy?

• 8:23Jessie Inchauspé?

  So the first trimester is the trimester where most of us feel nauseous. So I felt extremely nauseous and I could only eat carbs. I could only eat like croissants and pain au chocolat, basically, for like four months. It was so good. And so in those phases, you do whatever you can, right? Just eat whatever you can.

• 8:38Lewis Howes?

  Survive.

• 8:38Jessie Inchauspé?

  Survive. And in the first trimester, your baby's bloodstream and your bloodstream are not yet connected. The placenta is not in place yet. The placenta is in place from the second trimester onwards.

• 8:47Lewis Howes?

  You're only hurting yourself, not your end.

• 8:50Jessie Inchauspé?

  Listen, when you're nauseous, you do whatever the heck you can to survive. So it becomes, your bloodstream and your baby's become really connected from the second trimester onwards. So your question was, how much of the sugar that you eat ends up in your baby's bloodstream? All of it.

• 9:05Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 9:05Jessie Inchauspé?

  When you have a blood sugar spike, meaning your blood sugar levels increase after eating, for example, a big tub of ice cream, your baby also has a blood sugar spike.

• 9:14Lewis Howes?

  The exact same?

• 9:15Jessie Inchauspé?

  No, it's a little bit lower than yours, but it's perfectly correlated. And they know this because they do studies on babies. So for example, at Oslo University Hospital, the scientists recruited 200 women that were going to get a C-section. And what they did is they drew blood from the mom's arms before the C-section and they measured their blood sugar levels. And then the baby was born through cesarean and then they took blood from the umbilical cord of the baby. The umbilical cord is an external cord that connects your baby's bloodstream to the placenta. And it's actually perfectly representing the baby's own blood composition. And they took blood from the umbilical cord and they showed the perfect correlation. If a mom had low glucose levels, her baby also had low and healthy glucose levels.

• 10:00Jessie Inchauspé?

  And as the mom's glucose levels increased, the baby's also. Perfect correlation. So your baby does not get just the glucose that he needs. He gets the glucose that is there. And so let's be talking a little bit about glucose. So glucose has been a foundational part of my work for forever, for the past, you know, how long I've been doing this. And glucose is quite important. It's your body's fuel. It's your body's energy. You need to give glucose to your body by eating carbs. Now, a little bit is great. Too much causes issues in an adult body. So too many blood sugar or glucose spikes too often leads to being on a glucose roller coaster. Spike, crash, spike, crash. And that leaves you feeling not so great. It increases inflammation. It increases fat gain.

• 10:43Lewis Howes?

  And how does it impact your nervous system? How does a glucose spike over and over again impact your nervous system and your ability to navigate the emotions of the world?

• 10:56Jessie Inchauspé?

  Well, a big glucose spike can create stress in your body, right? Inflammation and stress. A big glucose spike can also impact your sleep and mean that you have less deep sleep. So if you take those in combination, that means your nervous system can become stressed chronically. How does it impact how you navigate the world? That was your question. I think, for me at least, it makes me more unstable. I feel less resilient. I feel that I have more emotional swings, more mood swings. My own journey came through mental health. So for me, big glucose spikes meant poorer mental health. And when I kept my glucose level steady, I felt stronger.

• 11:36Lewis Howes?

  Calm, steady.

• 11:37Jessie Inchauspé?

  Calm, steady, sturdy, grounded. I don't think there are any studies yet looking at glucose spikes and like how grounded one feels.

• 11:44Lewis Howes?

  That's interesting.

• 11:45Jessie Inchauspé?

  We should do one.

• 11:46Lewis Howes?

  I'm curious about how glucose spikes impact the nervous system.

• 11:48Jessie Inchauspé?

  Yep.

• 11:49Lewis Howes?

  And then how that impacts the quality of someone's life.

• 11:51Jessie Inchauspé?

  Absolutely. Well, listen, the nervous system is impacted by stress. And glucose spikes, repeated glucose spikes, and especially the crash that comes afterwards, increase stress. So they're not a good news.

• 12:02Lewis Howes?

  And it, you know, glucose spikes impact increased inflammation, correct? In the body.

• 12:08Jessie Inchauspé?

  Yep.

• 12:09Lewis Howes?

  And that causes stress.

• 12:10Jessie Inchauspé?

  Absolutely.

• 12:11Lewis Howes?

  It makes it harder for the nervous system to regulate under stress.

• 12:13Jessie Inchauspé?

  Yes, I think regulation is a really good way to put it.

• 12:15Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 12:16Jessie Inchauspé?

  Absolutely. If your body and your nervous system are busy dealing with a glucose spike, you don't have much energy left to deal with the rest of the world.

• 12:23Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 12:24Jessie Inchauspé?

  Yeah.

• 12:25Lewis Howes?

  So in this study in Oslo, they took 200 women who had a cisternian C-sections, and they saw this correlation.

• 12:30Jessie Inchauspé?

  Yeah. And some babies were born with double the blood sugar levels than other babies. That's how much of a wide spectrum data.

• 12:38Lewis Howes?

  What does that mean? They're born with double the blood sugar levels?

• 12:40Jessie Inchauspé?

  So that means that the concentration in the bloodstream, some babies had healthy low glucose levels, some babies had double the normal healthy levels of glucose in their blood.

• 12:50Lewis Howes?

  That's a bad thing, right?

• 12:51Jessie Inchauspé?

  That's a bad thing, yeah. So very high glucose levels in an adult means diabetes.

• 12:55Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 12:56Jessie Inchauspé?

  We don't want high glucose levels.

• 12:57Lewis Howes?

  So can a mother give their child diabetes in the womb?

• 13:01Jessie Inchauspé?

  So no, but I would say like a diet that is so high in carbs can lead to a baby having very high glucose levels in the womb. So what happens in the baby's body? Same thing as in the adult body, inflammation and fat gain as a response to this high glucose. Now, some glucose for your baby is important and good. He needs the energy, okay? But in extreme cases, when, for example, if you're only eating carbs during your entire pregnancy, your baby is gonna have glucose levels that are too high. And you might think there is, okay, well, after birth, surely this must then

• 13:35Lewis Howes?

  It'll normalize.

• 13:36Jessie Inchauspé?

  Normalize, right?

• 13:37Lewis Howes?

  It'll figure it out, it'll run around and be okay.

• 13:39Jessie Inchauspé?

  And this is the key thing. Scientists find that when a baby is born with high glucose levels and high fat mass on his body as a response to this glucose, he is more likely to get diabetes as an adult.

• 13:51Lewis Howes?

  Come on.

• 13:52Jessie Inchauspé?

  Yes.

• 13:53Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 13:54Jessie Inchauspé?

  Yes. This is the whole point of why pregnancy is important. Let me give you an example. Families where moms have two kids, during one pregnancy, they had normal glucose levels, the mom. During the other pregnancy, they had very high glucose levels. Both kids, born back to back, grew up in the same family, same environment, same food. The kid that was in the womb during the high glucose pregnancy, four times more likely to get diabetes in his lifetime.

• 14:22Lewis Howes?

  Gosh, it's crazy.

• 14:23Jessie Inchauspé?

  It's crazy. It's crazy.

• 14:25Lewis Howes?

  I mean, mom guilt is already a thing. And so if you're like a mom who's like, wow, I had this, I didn't eat correctly during this pregnancy, three, four, five years ago, did I ruin my child? You know, it's this fear of like mom guilt is big already.

• 14:38Jessie Inchauspé?

  I understand. And my mom, when she was pregnant with me, she only ate sugar. She ate Coca-Cola, table sugar at every meal.

• 14:47Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 14:48Jessie Inchauspé?

  Yeah, just carbs.

• 14:49Lewis Howes?

  But you also had

• 14:50Jessie Inchauspé?

  No.

• 14:51Lewis Howes?

  But you also had extreme mental health challenges as an adult.

• 14:53Jessie Inchauspé?

  And I was in the cusp of pre-diabetes at 25 years old. So what happens in the womb is important, but it's not the only thing. Okay, these increases are still modulated and impacted by what you do in your life. I didn't get diabetes. I was like at twenty five, oh, whoa, I have high glucose. Let me manage that. I never got prediabetes. It might make a baby a bit more vulnerable to disease. It's not going to dictate his entire life. What you do during your life is still important. But today, if you think about two of your friends that have the same diet or same routine, and one of them has higher glucose levels than the other, maybe one has diabetes, the other one doesn't. One of the factors that can be influencing this is what was happening in the womb. And again, on this topic of guilt, like this is not the mom's fault.

• 15:36Jessie Inchauspé?

  The moms didn't decide that our entire food system was going to be processed food based. They didn't decide that the cheaper thing to buy is the crisps versus the healthy broccoli. They didn't decide that the food industry is going to make highly addictive, highly sugary foods to get them hooked. This is not the mom's fault. This is a societal issue. This is the system messing out, messing up everything for us. It is not the mom's fault. So I wanted to write this book because we need tools for moms to navigate this toxic food system that we're in during pregnancy to try to, you know, use these high leverage points that we can use and to use these nine months as a moment where you can slightly program your baby to get better odds during his lifetime. But again, it's not the mom's fault.

• 16:20Jessie Inchauspé?

  And it's the same thing when you're not pregnant. Like today, if somebody has type two diabetes, it's not their fault. It's absolutely not their fault. It's not a willpower thing. It's a food environment thing. It's because of the food that is available today and because of big food trying to make us addicted to sugar. It's not the mom's fault.

• 16:36Lewis Howes?

  I hear you on saying it's not someone's fault who has diabetes today. But is it the responsibility to start to reverse it and make different choices and start making, saying, listen, I know I'm eating these highly addictive sugary things. But isn't also they're responsible to say, and I've got to learn how to start making healthier choices and be more consistent in the other way. Otherwise, I'm going to be stuck like this forever.

• 17:00Jessie Inchauspé?

  I think that implies that it's a choice. I think it's really difficult when you feel addicted to the sugary food and that's all you have access to and you don't know how to cook. And so you think you're making the right. Nobody wants to have diabetes.

• 17:12Lewis Howes?

  No.

• 17:13Jessie Inchauspé?

  Everybody thinks that they're buying the healthy food or they're doing the best they can. And they look at something that says like, oh, well, this is a vegan gluten free cookie. Surely it must be better for me than the regular cookie.

• 17:23Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 17:24Jessie Inchauspé?

  Food marketing tries to trap you into thinking you're making a better choice. So yes, it is, the way out, I believe, is through educating individuals to be able to make better informed choices, but it's not their fault. And my whole work is around this, like what are simple food hacks that are not complicated that can help you break free from these cycles of addiction?

• 17:44Lewis Howes?

  When I was growing up, I had what, eight Dr. Peppers a day in the summer and I thought I was like, I'm hydrating myself. It was just eating candy all day, sugary things, cookies, it was just whatever I could eat. And I, if I wasn't running six hours a day, playing in the backyard, playing sports, I probably had diabetes. I mean, I don't know, but I think that helped me. But it's been very hard to break the addiction of that habit for decades that I had.

• 18:12Jessie Inchauspé?

  Everything is built to make you addicted.

• 18:14Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 18:15Jessie Inchauspé?

  It's not your choice. There are billions of dollars being spent on making food extremely addictive. Billions of dollars in marketing campaigns trying to make you believe that orange juice is healthy. How can one single person

• 18:27Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 18:28Jessie Inchauspé?

  break free from this as a choi- it's not a choice. It's so hard.

• 18:31Lewis Howes?

  I got, I love that you're saying this, but you know Sean Stevenson?

• 18:34Jessie Inchauspé?

  Yeah.

• 18:35Lewis Howes?

  He is, he goes against the other, he goes against that. And he'll say, I don't know if you go on a show ever, but he said, I was the guy laying with like back pain for months in my bed because all I was eating was fast food for my whole life. And I was inflamed and I was overweight and I was obese and all these pains that I couldn't get out of. And he said, it was extremely hard. It was extremely challenging because there was no healthy food in his city where he's living in, in Ferguson, Missouri. It was like food desert for miles, right? But he was like, I had to work so much harder to go out of the city to find a healthy store and make conscious decisions consistently. And it was so hard. I'm not saying it's like not hard, but he was like, I did it and I reclaimed

• 19:19Lewis Howes?

  my health by taking those actions. But you have to make such a conscious effort daily. I'm not saying it's easy, but I believe it can be possible, even with the pressures of the system in place. And again, it's, you have to be so committed to it, I feel like.

• 19:37Jessie Inchauspé?

  I agree completely. And you know, with my glucose hacks, that's my first book. What I tried to give to people with these hacks is a way to go from zero to one.

• 19:44Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 19:45Jessie Inchauspé?

  Small tips that don't take so much pull power that allow you to start feeling better. For example, okay, you're gonna, what was the thing you were having, Dr. Pepper?

• 19:52Lewis Howes?

  Dr. Pepper.

• 19:54Jessie Inchauspé?

  Is that what you said?

• 19:54Lewis Howes?

  Dr. Pepper.

• 19:55Jessie Inchauspé?

  Okay, so, okay, so Dr. Pepper, if you need to have it because you feel addicted to it, have it after your meal instead of before, so that you don't create a spike and a crash that's going to make you crave more Dr. Pepper. So it's these small little tweaks. And when you apply them for a week, all of a sudden you're like, oh, wait, I feel a little bit less stuck here.

• 20:12Lewis Howes?

  I need eight of them. I could just do one of them.

• 20:13Jessie Inchauspé?

  Yeah. And this zero to one is the hardest. And that's my passion is to behavior change from zero to one. Because once you've done zero to one, then you're on your way. And Sean is very strong and he was able to do that all without my glucose hacks.

• 20:24Lewis Howes?

  It's hard, though.

• 20:25Jessie Inchauspé?

  Would have been way easier for him with my glucose hacks.

• 20:26Lewis Howes?

  Yes, of course, of course.

• 20:28Jessie Inchauspé?

  So it's all this zero to one, the small things.

• 20:30Lewis Howes?

  And these are, he's an exception for sure. And he, he was extremely sick. He couldn't move. So he was like, I have to take complete control of changing and learning about these things. Uh, because he thought, you know, fast food was healthy. He thought because like it had egg in it, you can have a Big Mac with like a bun and grease and still healthy or whatever. I thought pizza was healthy. You know, it's like, I used to eat a whole pizza. I can eat a whole pizza like this still, because it tastes so good for me. But just because I thought like, oh, this is on the food pyramid. You know, it's like bread, meat and cheese. But it's not, or at least, you know, maybe you can make it healthy, but that was not healthy. And speaking of the food pyramid, this just changed? Are they making these changes? What are your thoughts on these new changes for, I guess,

• 21:14Lewis Howes?

  at least in the USA, of the food pyramid suggestions?

• 21:18Jessie Inchauspé?

  I'm very happy that we no longer have the recommendation that says you should have eight servings of carbs a day as the base of the pyramid. Because carbohydrates, so bread, pasta, rice, potatoes, these are foods that are full of glucose, that raise your blood sugar levels, that lead to the glucose spike and the glucose crash, that give very little nutrition to your body.

• 21:40Lewis Howes?

  That was my diet for a year.

• 21:42Jessie Inchauspé?

  Yes. And so I'm very happy that this is no longer seen as the base of your diet. And this is true for everyone. I'm very, very glad about this. And I hope it's also going to impact school lunches. I hope that kids are no longer going to get just bread and orange juice as their meal.

• 21:59Lewis Howes?

  Just big spikes, huh?

• 22:01Jessie Inchauspé?

  Yes.

• 22:01Lewis Howes?

  Big spikes. So, I mean, of the food pyramid now, the suggestions, do you feel like they got it right? Do you feel like it's moving in the right direction? Do you feel like it's eighty percent overall there? Or what do you think is good? And what do you think needs to be improved?

• 22:15Jessie Inchauspé?

  I think my main thought process around this is, what then happens to the food industry? Because the food pyramid is one thing. But what does it actually mean in terms of how we're going to change how we eat?

• 22:28Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 22:29Jessie Inchauspé?

  Because if you take it to the letter, meaning like now we're going to eat animal foods as healthy sources of protein, we're going to focus on fruit and vegetables, and we're going to eat very few carbs, that sounds pretty great. But if this is co-opted by the food industry who's like, hmm, how can I use this new pyramid to sell my processed food?

• 22:45Lewis Howes?

  Processed, yeah, yeah.

• 22:46Jessie Inchauspé?

  So I want to, I'm waiting to see what happens. I think it's definitely better than the old one, a hundred percent. There's no question about that. Then where do we go? I don't know. I'm a, I don't have a, I don't have a judgment yet. I need a little bit of perspective.

• 22:59Lewis Howes?

  But in terms of the, the recommendations itself, let's say it was all organic and unprocessed.

• 23:04Jessie Inchauspé?

  Yeah, it's great.

• 23:05Lewis Howes?

  You feel like that structure is the way to go?

• 23:07Jessie Inchauspé?

  Absolutely. I think it's great. Yeah.

• 23:08Lewis Howes?

  Now, obviously, you know, companies are going to market how they need to to say, okay, you're hitting the right things in the food, you know, pyramid. But it could still be unhealthy for you, how they process things.

• 23:18Jessie Inchauspé?

  For sure.

• 23:19Lewis Howes?

  And it could still create spikes and all these different things.

• 23:22Jessie Inchauspé?

  Absolutely. But in terms of the overall volume and what's important. It makes complete sense to me that we're shifting away from carbs being the main thing that you should eat all the time as the base of your diet and towards healthy animal foods and fruit and vegetables. I mean, yes.

• 23:35Lewis Howes?

  Pasta, pizza and bread, that was my diet.

• 23:38Jessie Inchauspé?

  That was it, yeah.

• 23:39Lewis Howes?

  I mean, I had steak once in a while, but it was like, that was the diet. And it was like, no wonder I was exhausted all the time. Big yawning all the time, exhausted, tired.

• 23:45Jessie Inchauspé?

  And it wasn't your fault, right? There was just, this was the message.

• 23:48Lewis Howes?

  And I thought it was healthy.

• 23:50Jessie Inchauspé?

  That's what I'm saying.

• 23:51Lewis Howes?

  You think it's healthy.

• 23:52Jessie Inchauspé?

  That is what I'm saying. Nobody thinks, mm, I'm gonna eat an unhealthy diet on purpose and try to feel horrible. Everybody's doing their best. Pregnant moms are doing their best. And so I understand that this information, nutrition advice around pregnancy can come as making moms feel like they're doing things wrong and guilty. The problem is, is that all of these, all of the science, all of these studies exist. They've been around for a long time. The American Association of Pediatrics have been talking about this forever. We have these guidelines. We have the World Health Organization talking about choline, about glucose, about et cetera. Nobody's telling moms about this. Why is that? Is it because they think that, oh, moms can't handle it? No, I think this is key because it shows you these four high-leverage nutrients that are actually very simple shifts that can make

• 24:37Jessie Inchauspé?

  a big impact on your baby's health. And as a result, you're not inundated by just Instagram, infinity Instagram content. And that's giving you very confused.

• 24:49Lewis Howes?

  If moms listening, or those who are going to be moms soon, who are going to be pregnant soon, they're listening. And you say these four key ingredients, choline, glucose, protein and omega threes are what they need to create a fertile foundation for a child's development of their brain to be set up for more success, right?

• 25:10Jessie Inchauspé?

  More resilience.

• 25:11Lewis Howes?

  More resilience.

• 25:11Jessie Inchauspé?

  Yes.

• 25:12Lewis Howes?

  More potential for opportunity for the growth of their brains to be forming better is what I'm hearing you say. If a mother who is pregnant does not get choline, glucose, protein or omega threes in their diet at all, what, and they understand, they hear this information and they still choose not to get that. What is at stake for their baby's development?

• 25:36Jessie Inchauspé?

  So I will just say one thing, the glucose part of this book is not about getting more. It's about making sure you're not getting too much of it.

• 25:42Lewis Howes?

  Okay, having the right amounts.

• 25:44Jessie Inchauspé?

  Exactly. So if you don't do any of these things, your baby will probably be fine.

• 25:48Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 25:49Jessie Inchauspé?

  Yeah, your baby will probably be born and probably lead a normal life. And just maybe one day in the future, he'll have a bit more susceptibility. Or um yeah, be a bit more vulnerable to getting one of these diseases.

• 26:01Lewis Howes?

  Because you were, your mom was on sugar all day.

• 26:03Jessie Inchauspé?

  I'm like the perfect example.

• 26:05Lewis Howes?

  And you were fine as a baby.

• 26:06Jessie Inchauspé?

  Of being somewhat okay with no choline, no omega threes, not enough protein and a lot of sugar. And look at me, I'm writing books.

• 26:13Lewis Howes?

  It turned out all right.

• 26:14Jessie Inchauspé?

  You know, I thought about this a lot as I was writing this book and I called my mom and I was asking her about her diet. And yes, I'm fine, but if I'm being honest, I've struggled with mental health.

• 26:23Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 26:24Jessie Inchauspé?

  A lot in my life.

• 26:24Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 26:25Jessie Inchauspé?

  Um, as I said, because of free diabetes, I have a hard time with emotional regulation. I I've had aches and pains, like I have a hard time building muscle. Are the, are all of these things, do all of these things take root in the womb? Probably not all of them. Do I think, knowing what I know today about the science, do I think that if my mom had had this book when she was pregnant with me? Do I think that maybe I would feel differently today as her daughter? Probably. I think maybe it would feel a bit better to be in my brain. Because by the time your baby is born, all of his neurons, so the brain cells that process information are in place for life. In the womb, you're forming the basic architecture of your baby's brain. And then brain cells, neurons, they don't get replaced.

• 27:08Jessie Inchauspé?

  You keep the ones you're born with for your entire life until they die. So my neurons were forming in my mom's uterus. And she did not know about choline and she did not know about omega threes, which are two key nutrients to allow my brain to form as best as it could. So yes, I do believe that maybe if she had known about choline, which is a very food and which is nutrient you can get in eggs, for example. So if she had been eating a lot of eggs and eating fish and supplementing with omega threes, maybe my neurons would be a little bit better today. I can't, I can't know. We don't know. But what we do have is we have animal studies. So we can't do studies on pregnant human moms. It's very unethical, but we can do this on animals.

• 27:53Jessie Inchauspé?

  And so let me give you the example. So let's look at choline, for example. So when you deprive a mom of choline, like a mom, an animal mom, like a rat mom, okay? The development of her baby's brain in the womb stops earlier than it should.

• 28:07Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 28:08Jessie Inchauspé?

  And the baby has fewer neurons than his peers. Because the mom is missing this key nutrient of choline. However, the baby is born. The baby is born and out early.

• 28:17Lewis Howes?

  It survives and it's.

• 28:18Jessie Inchauspé?

  Exactly, exactly. To be honest, we're an entire generation of babies. Probably you didn't have enough choline in the room either. We're an entire generation of people who probably did not have enough choline. Why is that? Because choline is found in eggs, but also in organ meats, like liver. And today, we don't eat any more organ meats.

• 28:34Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, we don't eat what we used to, right?

• 28:35Jessie Inchauspé?

  And this is the case for everybody, pregnant moms or not. Is this the pregnant mom's fault? Absolutely not. It's the food industry. It's the processed foods we eat today. So we're all probably babies of low choline moms. We're mostly okay, but what if we could change that? It'd be cool, but if we could give mom this important information.

• 28:52Lewis Howes?

  Hundred percent.

• 28:53Jessie Inchauspé?

  So one thing that scientists do, they're able to do trials on human moms, where they supplement the moms with extra choline, for example. So we can't do the hardcore stuff that we do on animals, but we can do it in moms, for example. So there's one cool study that I'll mention. There's this test that scientists do on, on human babies. So they put them in front of a computer screen and they flash images on the screen. And they see how quickly the baby reacts to the new image. So moves his eyes like this. And this may seem inconsequential, but it's actually associated with adult IQ. So the faster you react to the images on the screen as a baby, the higher your IQ as an adult on average. And so what they do is they do these trials where they give some moms during pregnancy, a choline supplement.

• 29:37Jessie Inchauspé?

  And other moms, no choline supplement. And then they measure the baby's reaction time once they're born in the first year of life. What do they find? 10% higher reaction time, faster reaction time when the mom had a lot of choline during pregnancy. Small, small, small marginal changes. But interesting nonetheless, because what happens in the womb seems to have a lasting impact on measurable measures of brain function.

• 30:02Lewis Howes?

  Fascinating, because you're saying this, you know, I have twins. And one of them was born, I guess, more premature or just smaller, you know, and had to be in the NICU for a little bit of time. And it was like, well, the other one was like more fine right away. It was like, everything was fine. The other one was kind of struggling. The one who was struggling in the NICU, it almost feels like the reaction time is faster than the other one that was like, fine, you know, that didn't have like the complications. And so it's interesting to see twins that were born from the same mother. And I'm curious to see their development over the years, to see what happens.

• 30:38Jessie Inchauspé?

  Yeah.

• 30:39Lewis Howes?

  But this, all this stuff is fascinating.

• 30:41Jessie Inchauspé?

  Absolutely.

• 30:41Lewis Howes?

  All this stuff is fascinating.

• 30:42Jessie Inchauspé?

  And your twins have different DNA, right? So DNA is one thing, and then the environment in the womb is something else. And they both interact to create unique babies. And there's buns, there are buns on this, on this table. And I want to talk about the reason there's a bun here.

• 30:57Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 30:57Jessie Inchauspé?

  Is because of the myths.

• 30:58Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, go ahead, go ahead.

• 30:59Jessie Inchauspé?

  Having a bun in the oven when you're pregnant. Have you heard that sentence?

• 31:03Lewis Howes?

  Of course.

• 31:03Jessie Inchauspé?

  Of course.

• 31:03Lewis Howes?

  What is that? Why do people say like, there's a bun in the oven? And why is that harmful to say that?

• 31:09Jessie Inchauspé?

  You know, I don't know where this comes from, but I know why it's not good. So telling a mom, oh, you have a bun in the oven, implies that the mom is an oven. And what's an oven? A passive object that provides heat and time.

• 31:23Lewis Howes?

  Uh huh.

• 31:24Jessie Inchauspé?

  As a mom, you're so much more than that. You're not just passive, waiting around for the next, next ultrasound, providing heat and time to your baby. A better image is that you are soil and your baby is a seed. We all know intuitively that if you have a seed for like a nice apple tree, if you plant it in a driveway full of gravel, or if you plant it in a healthy garden, it's not going to lead to the same tree. You know that. You know that the soil co-creates the tree's plan.

• 31:57Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 31:57Jessie Inchauspé?

  When you're pregnant, it's the same thing. The nutrients you provide to your baby co-create your baby's genetic plan.

• 32:05Jessie Inchauspé?

  And if you provide all the stuff that he needs, he'll be able to develop more optimally. And this again is is linked to adult vulnerability or resilience to disease. So as a pregnant mom, you are soil, you're not an oven. And this is actually, so in my book, I called the introduction, you are not an oven. This is like the first idea you have to understand. You are not an oven, you have so much more power, so much more agency. And for some weird reason, this science has been kept from you. When with simple tools, for example, getting enough choline on a daily basis, you can give your baby's brain the nutrient that he needs. Because today, for example, in the case of choline, this is a shocking statistic. Ninety percent of pregnant moms,

• 32:51Jessie Inchauspé?

  ninety percent of pregnant moms are not getting the bare minimum amount of choline that is recommended during pregnancy. Ninety percent. Not because we don't have access to eggs, because nobody's freaking telling them. Why? Big mystery. I have no idea. I think it's a sense of like, oh, moms can't handle all this nutrition information. It's a bit too complicated. Or maybe because the medical system is built around short term disease prevention and problems and doesn't take time to tell you about the long term potential benefits that you can impact. So this is why the choline chapter is so important. With just four eggs a day, you get all the choline that your baby needs. I know four eggs a day sounds like a lot, but actually it's the easiest way to get the choline. It's in the egg yolk.

• 33:36Jessie Inchauspé?

  So if you can't eat all your eggs, just eat the yolk. Make sure the cooked through is important during pregnancy. There's also choline in fish, in chicken, in meat. There's a little bit of choline in plant foods. And there are great choline supplements that you can take if you don't eat any animal products. So easy. I ate so many eggs when I was pregnant.

• 33:54Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 33:54Jessie Inchauspé?

  Yeah, four eggs every morning. Except the first four months where I could not eat a single egg.

• 33:59Lewis Howes?

  Just carbs.

• 34:00Jessie Inchauspé?

  I was like, hmm, croissants, I'm sure there's some choline in here, right? No, no choline in the croissant. But so choline eggs, super simple. We have evidence that moms are not getting enough. We have evidence that it matters. We have animal studies, we have human trials, we know it's important. The American Association of Pediatrics says, "Failure to provide choline during this important time can result in lifelong brain deficits."

• 34:24Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 34:24Jessie Inchauspé?

  The American Association of Pediatrics.

• 34:26Lewis Howes?

  It says that?

• 34:26Jessie Inchauspé?

  Yes. Can you explain to me, Lewis, why we're not telling moms this?

• 34:31Lewis Howes?

  I have no idea.

• 34:32Jessie Inchauspé?

  Exactly. I have no idea. It's a mystery. So this is why this book is important.

• 34:35Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 34:35Jessie Inchauspé?

  Yeah.

• 34:36Lewis Howes?

  So what would you say then is the biggest nutrition lie that moms have been told during pregnancy then?

• 34:41Jessie Inchauspé?

  The biggest nutrition lie that your baby will get what he needs, always.

• 34:47Lewis Howes?

  Ah, like just eat whatever and the baby's gonna be fine?

• 34:50Jessie Inchauspé?

  Eat more calories because you're, you know, eat for two. That's a big lie also.

• 34:53Lewis Howes?

  Having double the calories is not good for the mom.

• 34:56Jessie Inchauspé?

  You don't need double the calories. And the biggest lie is your baby will take what he needs. The correct sentence is your baby will take what you give him. Your baby will take what is there and your baby will adapt, just like a tree in different soils. Your baby will adapt. Your baby knows. Nature is smart. Even if you don't eat any choline, your baby will adapt and do things differently. But if you give him all the stuff he needs, he will not need to adapt so much and he'll be able to.

• 35:21Lewis Howes?

  He'll thrive better.

• 35:22Jessie Inchauspé?

  Thrive better.

• 35:22Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, you can still grow a tree in concrete, I guess, maybe.

• 35:26Jessie Inchauspé?

  Maybe.

• 35:26Lewis Howes?

  But it's like not gonna be the best growing tree.

• 35:28Jessie Inchauspé?

  Thankfully, the human body is not that extreme, right? As long as you have air, water, food, a uterus, your baby will probably be okay. But actually, not necessarily because in the case of choline, for example, we know that low choline levels can lead to brain malformations that end in miscarriage. So we talk a lot about folate. I don't know if you've heard this when you were going through the pregnancy, but it's like, take a folic acid supplement, it's very important, et cetera. Choline is just as important, but nobody talks about it.

• 35:55Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 35:56Jessie Inchauspé?

  And we talked about, you just said the sentence, eat for two, eat a lot of calories. I think this brings us to the topic of glucose, which is important. So glucose, as I said, is in carbs. So bread, pasta, croissant, rice, potatoes, fruit, chocolate cakes, et cetera.

• 36:14Jessie Inchauspé?

  You need more glucose when you're pregnant because your baby needs it. But how much is the question, not double.

• 36:19Lewis Howes?

  Ten, twenty percent more maybe, right?

• 36:21Jessie Inchauspé?

  Like. So, kind of, yeah, exactly. So at the end of the third trimester, when your baby is really big, or your babies are really big, and they're just about to be born, your baby needs seventy grams of glucose per day. Seventy grams of glucose is the amount of glucose in a cup and a half of rice. That is the maximum. Yes, that is the maximum amount he will need when he's the biggest he's gonna be right before birth. So at the very end of the third trimester. In the first trimester, you barely need any extra glucose at all. Second trimester, it starts going up a little bit. At the very end, the maximum, a cup and a half of rice. That is not nearly eating double the amount of carbs. You don't need to eat double that. So you need to give your baby a little bit, but if you give your baby way too much,

• 37:05Jessie Inchauspé?

  he's gonna have to adapt in the womb, and he's going to put on fat to try to protect himself from high glucose levels, and it might create some vulnerabilities, for example, to diabetes. And there's a cool thing we have to talk about, which is the difference between DNA and epigenetics. So when you conceive a baby, his DNA is set. It will never change, half from the mom, half from the dad. DNA will never change. But that's not the end of the story. Scientists have recently discovered that there are little tiny switches, tiny molecular switches that sit on our DNA and control which genes are on or off.

• 37:47Jessie Inchauspé?

  So DNA is one thing, but the programming of the DNA is very flexible, and it's a whole other thing.

• 37:52Lewis Howes?

  Is this the whole CRISPR thing?

• 37:54Jessie Inchauspé?

  That's different, that's gene editing.

• 37:56Lewis Howes?

  Okay.

• 37:56Jessie Inchauspé?

  But epigenetics, we all have this. All of our genes are being programmed by these little switches at all times. And during pregnancy, you're setting up the epigenetics, the programming of your baby's DNA. And so scientists can measure this programming. They can see which genes are on and which genes are off. And what they find is that when a mom has very high glucose levels during pregnancy, the human baby has genes linked to diabetes that are turned on. More than other babies. So with your diet during pregnancy, you're programming these genes on and off. And this can lead to the long term increases in risk that we're seeing.

• 38:35Lewis Howes?

  For somebody who's not pregnant, what is the optimal amount of carbs someone should be eating on a daily basis?

• 38:41Jessie Inchauspé?

  Well, that's a very controversial topic, Lewis.

• 38:44Lewis Howes?

  To have like a healthy lifestyle, to be, you know, in fat burning phase, but also, you know, enjoying life as well. What is, what is?

• 38:52Jessie Inchauspé?

  Well, the thing is, we don't actually need to eat carbs.

• 38:55Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 38:56Jessie Inchauspé?

  Yeah.

• 38:56Lewis Howes?

  Oh, man, but it's so good, aren't they?

• 38:59Jessie Inchauspé?

  Because if you don't eat any carbs, your body can make the glucose that it needs from within.

• 39:04Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 39:04Jessie Inchauspé?

  Yes, from other sources like protein. Your liver can create glucose as long as you're eating something. That doesn't mean we should all eat no carbs. Most people do fine on like a hundred grams of carbs per day, for example.

• 39:15Lewis Howes?

  How much is a hundred grams of carbs? What is that?

• 39:17Jessie Inchauspé?

  Two cups of rice.

• 39:18Lewis Howes?

  Two cups of rice a day?

• 39:19Jessie Inchauspé?

  Yeah.

• 39:19Lewis Howes?

  That means?

• 39:20Jessie Inchauspé?

  Yeah, two cups of rice, that's correct.

• 39:21Lewis Howes?

  Two cups of rice a day in terms of carbs is all you should need? Or is like the maximum or is like?

• 39:27Jessie Inchauspé?

  It depends so much. Like if you're an athlete, you need more because you're using up a lot of glucose for your muscles. It depends if you're, you know, if you're maintaining your weight, if you're trying to lose fat. It depends on so much, it depends on your individual sensitivity. If you're a female, if you're a male, time of the month, like you need to find your own.

• 39:44Lewis Howes?

  Sure, sure.

• 39:45Jessie Inchauspé?

  Balance.

• 39:46Lewis Howes?

  What is the best use of carb source for most body types? Like is it rice? Is it bread? Is it pasta? Is like what?

• 39:53Jessie Inchauspé?

  Great question. So I would put carbs in two categories. So we have the starches, which are bread, pasta, rice, potatoes, oats. And then we have the sugars. So that's chocolate cake, fruit juice, even just fruit.

• 40:06Lewis Howes?

  Uh huh.

• 40:06Jessie Inchauspé?

  Starches just contain glucose. Sugars contain glucose and fructose.

• 40:14Lewis Howes?

  You don't want that.

• 40:15Jessie Inchauspé?

  Your body doesn't need any fructose. So.

• 40:18Lewis Howes?

  So it doesn't need fruit?

• 40:19Jessie Inchauspé?

  No, you don't need to eat fruit.

• 40:21Lewis Howes?

  But it tastes good.

• 40:22Jessie Inchauspé?

  Yeah, that's fine, so eat it.

• 40:25Jessie Inchauspé?

  Hey, listen, we're talking about biology for what you need, right? So it's always better to get your carbs from starches than from sugars like fruit juice or cake. Now, fruit themselves, whole fruit, is mostly fine because they contain fiber and water. So there's glucose and fructose in there, but because of the fiber and the water, they arrive in your bloodstream more slowly. All that to say, it's up to you to find your optimal amount of carbs. You don't need to eat carbs, but it's a nice way to get energy. It's also a very social food.

• 40:56Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, of course.

• 40:57Jessie Inchauspé?

  Carbs are a social food. So I do pretty well, like a hundred grams of carbs per day, I would say. And then I focus a lot on protein and healthy fats, et cetera.

• 41:05Lewis Howes?

  If someone is trying to, you know, get in shape, stay healthy, stay lean, trying to eliminate fat from their body, you're saying stay around a hundred grams of carbs a day or less? Or, you know, it all depends on who and when and all that stuff. But if it's a normal human being who's not pregnant and they're just trying to stay lean.

• 41:25Jessie Inchauspé?

  I would avoid giving exact numbers. What I would say is if you are able to keep your blood sugar levels steady by using my hacks, for example, I feel like you naturally get to an amount of carbs that's going to support fat burning in your body. Because fat burning is a healthy state to be in. And when you don't have big spikes and big dips in your glucose levels, your body can burn fat for fuel. So it's hard to say a certain number because, for example, if you only eat carbs, but you're staying under X grams, does that mean you're going to be healthy? No, right? It's about a combination of things. I don't think we should say like X grams of this, X grams of that.

• 42:01Lewis Howes?

  It's keeping the spikes lower.

• 42:02Jessie Inchauspé?

  Yes.

• 42:03Lewis Howes?

  And less frequent.

• 42:04Jessie Inchauspé?

  Yes, and focusing on foods that actually give your body something really important. So for example, protein and fats, right? We can't make protein from within, so it's very important to give your body enough protein. But we can make glucose from within.

• 42:16Lewis Howes?

  How much protein and how much fat should we have?

• 42:20Jessie Inchauspé?

  You want numbers, you want me to write a whole list for you?

• 42:22Lewis Howes?

  Just on average, like, you know, is it, yeah, is it based on how big you are?

• 42:27Jessie Inchauspé?

  So for protein, I think it's actually useful to talk about exact numbers here because your body cannot make protein from within. And when we think protein, we often think muscle. Protein is not just muscle. So many things in your body are protein. For example, the collagen in your skin that keeps your skin healthy is a protein. A lot of the parts of your immune system are proteins. They keep you healthy, they keep you safe from pathogens. For example, insulin, which is a hormone that manages your glucose levels. That's a protein. There are thousands and thousands and thousands of types of protein in your body. And it's really important to make, your DNA makes protein. The little code in your DNA, what does it do?

• 43:11Jessie Inchauspé?

  It tells your body how to make different proteins. So it's not just about muscle mass and bodybuilding. And during pregnancy, you're literally building another human's body inside your body. It's important to remember that sometimes. And as I said, your baby, the moment he's born, is about fifty percent protein. If you exclude water. Proteins are everything. They're everything. So how much protein do we need? We've had lots of different methods to try to measure how much protein a human needs to eat. And the more recent methods, they have a funky name. They're called the Indicator amino acid oxidation method. Very fancy word. But it's just saying it's a new method for measuring how much protein you need to eat to give your body enough, not just to survive, but to thrive.

• 43:53Jessie Inchauspé?

  And so this method is now showing us that in a pregnant person, we need about one point two grams of protein per kilo of body mass per day. In the second and third trimester, we need one point five. And during breastfeeding, one point nine.

• 44:12Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 44:12Jessie Inchauspé?

  So breastfeeding is very intense in protein because you're putting protein in your breast milk to continue to feed your baby. So these stats are core and very important to learn about for moms. Most moms are not getting nearly enough protein during pregnancy. And what happens is that your body starts breaking down your muscle.

• 44:33Jessie Inchauspé?

  Because your muscles are full of protein. Break down the muscle, give it to baby. And that's why we see studies that say that thirty percent of moms lose muscle mass during pregnancy.

• 44:41Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 44:42Jessie Inchauspé?

  Mm-hmm.

• 44:42Lewis Howes?

  How much, just curious, how much protein is in a cup of breast milk on average? Do we know? Did you ever study this with your?

• 44:52Jessie Inchauspé?

  I'm sure we know, but I don't know.

• 44:53Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, okay.

• 44:54Jessie Inchauspé?

  I don't know off the top of my head.

• 44:55Lewis Howes?

  I'm curious if it has a lot of protein or if it's like one gram of protein. I don't know. I'm just curious.

• 44:58Jessie Inchauspé?

  It's a good question. Uh, what I do know is that it's a complete source of protein, meaning it's very high quality protein for your baby.

• 45:05Lewis Howes?

  What's the science behind weird pregnancy cravings?

• 45:08Jessie Inchauspé?

  Ah.

• 45:08Lewis Howes?

  Why do moms say like, I want to eat like pickles and chocolate sauce? I don't know, like weird stuff.

• 45:13Jessie Inchauspé?

  So it's still up for debate, but the pickle thing, scientists believe that it has to do with iodine. So iodine is um, something that is found in a sea salt. It's very important for your baby's thyroid and brain development. And when you crave pickles, it's probably because you're craving something salty, something high in iodine. I craved red meats and kiwis and like citrus fruit, a lot of fruit during my pregnancy. Maybe it was because of all the vitamins.

• 45:39Lewis Howes?

  That's a, that's a big glucose spike, right? Like all this fruit?

• 45:42Jessie Inchauspé?

  Well, whole fruit is fine.

• 45:44Lewis Howes?

  Okay.

• 45:44Jessie Inchauspé?

  But the fruit juice, if you get rid of the fiber, that's gonna be a problem for sure.

• 45:48Lewis Howes?

  How much fruit is fine? Like what if you're eating buckets of fruit? That's still a lot, right?

• 45:53Jessie Inchauspé?

  Well, yes, because the fruit that we eat today has been bred by humans to be very high in sugar.

• 45:59Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 45:59Jessie Inchauspé?

  So, you know, if you eat a lot of it, it might cause a big spike. Um, but what I recap in the glucose part of the book is all the glucose hacks to help you eat the sweet stuff without.

• 46:10Lewis Howes?

  So having an apple with some peanut butter.

• 46:11Jessie Inchauspé?

  Exactly.

• 46:12Lewis Howes?

  Right, putting some clothes on your car.

• 46:14Jessie Inchauspé?

  Ah, yeah, nice one. Or having the fruit or the sugar at the end of a meal instead of at the beginning.

• 46:20Lewis Howes?

  The protein first, yeah.

• 46:22Jessie Inchauspé?

  Exactly, exactly. So, but I, I'm a firm believer that whole fruit is totally fine and we should absolutely not demonize whole fruit. It's the best thing to eat if you want to eat something sweet.

• 46:33Lewis Howes?

  Speaking of sweets, what's the real reason people feel out of control with sweets and sugar?

• 46:39Jessie Inchauspé?

  I think one of the main reasons is that they are on a glucose roller coaster and they don't know it. And the main culprit is often eating something sweet on an empty stomach. Because when your stomach is empty. Anything sweet that you eat, those glucose molecules arrive very quickly into your bloodstream. Nothing is slowing them down, which means big glucose spike and big glucose crash. And we know that the crashes can activate the craving center in your brain. So I used to eat sweet stuff for breakfast all the time. And then at 10 a.m. I was like, I really need like some chocolate.

• 47:17Lewis Howes?

  More sweets.

• 47:21Jessie Inchauspé?

  I was like, I need a muffin. I go to the coffee shop and get like a coffee and a muffin. Yeah, something sweet. And now looking back, I'm like, God, all these years I was just having a glucose crash because my breakfast was sweet and I had no idea. And then the cycle starts again because I have the muffin at 10 a.m. What happens? Another spike. And then another crash. And then all day. And then it's 11 p.m. And I've just ordered on Uber Eats like five pints of ice cream. I'm like, how did I get here? Well, it was all because of the breakfast.

• 47:50Lewis Howes?

  Gosh, you made something for me last time you were here.

• 47:53Jessie Inchauspé?

  The chocolate brittle.

• 47:54Lewis Howes?

  Oh, my gosh, this was incredible.

• 47:56Jessie Inchauspé?

  This is a recipe in my second book, The Glucose Goddess Method.

• 47:59Lewis Howes?

  I want it right now.

• 48:00Jessie Inchauspé?

  It's so easy. You just get this dark chocolate and you melt it. And then you put it on this baking sheet and you put a bunch of nuts in it. Like I think I made it with pistachios and walnuts for you. Sea salt, put it in the fridge. You wait for it to harden and then you break it up. Now, you know why this is a good dessert?

• 48:16Lewis Howes?

  Tell me.

• 48:17Jessie Inchauspé?

  Because of the nuts. Because those nuts contain protein and fat. And they're going to slow down the glucose spike from the chocolate.

• 48:23Lewis Howes?

  I should want that now.

• 48:25Jessie Inchauspé?

  Are you having a glucose crash right now?

• 48:27Lewis Howes?

  I'm okay right now, but I've been, I've been eating uh, moon bean soup for like six days. I've been trying to kind of just like get more beans and reset from the holidays. Cause I ate a lot of, a lot of sugary sweets that I was too much. And so I'm just doing it for a number of days. But um, yeah, that brittle sounds amazing right now. You make some while you're here.

• 48:48Jessie Inchauspé?

  Okay, I'll also.

• 48:49Lewis Howes?

  I'll friggin Uber it over here. Oh my gosh, it's so good.

• 48:53Jessie Inchauspé?

  I think that's one of the reasons people feel out of control.

• 48:55Lewis Howes?

  Is when you're eating sweets essentially alone by itself. You're gonna have a rush and then a crash. Even if it's a little sweet, you miss a couple of cookies, it sounds like.

• 49:05Jessie Inchauspé?

  Well, listen, having one cookie is gonna create a smaller spike than 10 cookies.

• 49:09Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, or a whole box.

• 49:10Jessie Inchauspé?

  Yeah, and listen, sometimes I wake up in the morning and I'm like, I want ice cream for breakfast.

• 49:14Lewis Howes?

  Gosh.

• 49:15Jessie Inchauspé?

  And I do it, and I'm like, this is gonna create a big glucose spike.

• 49:18Lewis Howes?

  And all day.

• 49:18Jessie Inchauspé?

  Yeah.

• 49:19Lewis Howes?

  Is it worth it?

• 49:20Jessie Inchauspé?

  And I always regret it, no.

• 49:21Lewis Howes?

  You regret it?

• 49:21Jessie Inchauspé?

  Cause I feel, I feel awful.

• 49:22Lewis Howes?

  You know the science, you know what it's doing to your body, your brain, all these things.

• 49:26Jessie Inchauspé?

  Yeah.

• 49:26Lewis Howes?

  It's good for an hour, but then you're like, and then the rest of the day, you have to kind of like, try to figure out how to re-regulate your system. And then the next morning, hopefully you can reset it. But it's like, you also sleep worse when you're doing it all day.

• 49:38Jessie Inchauspé?

  Yeah, so it's a little bit of a vicious cycle. And we were talking earlier about, you know, people feel a victim and trapped in their diet and it's hard to exit out of it. Breakfast is a good moment to try to exit out of it. If you have a protein-rich breakfast, pregnant or not pregnant, this is a very great way to stabilize your blood sugar. And I found that during pregnancy, when I was on a glucose roller coaster, my nausea was worse. But if I was able to have a little bit of protein, like I would lay in bed and wake up and I had some almonds next to my bed and I would eat them before I got up. And that kind of helped, a little bit of protein before getting up to stabilize my blood sugar. I mean, pregnancy is a whole thing, it exacerbates so much stuff, it's complicated.

• 50:20Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, pregnancy is also highly emotional, highly, you know, there's some, some women have more anxiety around pregnancy, other women have great pregnancies, but still there's a, it seems like there's something in the, the pregnant mom that starts to switch on where they're thinking about it more intently when you're pregnant, is what it seems like from my interpretation, my experience witnessing it. You're thinking about your pregnancy, you're thinking about your choices, you're thinking about your body, then your body's changing, then you're questioning your body, all these different things are happening. And I can only imagine what is happening with your mind and trying to stay calm.

• 50:58Jessie Inchauspé?

  And the hormones.

• 50:59Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, trying to stay calm with all of it seems extremely challenging.

• 51:03Jessie Inchauspé?

  And so on top of that, there is the stress of like, what do I need to eat?

• 51:07Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 51:07Jessie Inchauspé?

  And it can be highly confusing, very confusing.

• 51:10Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 51:10Jessie Inchauspé?

  That's why this book is a nice guiding light in all of this.

• 51:13Lewis Howes?

  Your book is called Nine Months That Count Forever: How Your Pregnancy Diet Shapes Your Baby's Future. I want everyone to make sure they check this out. You also told me beforehand that you had a miscarriage before, right? What was that experience like for you? How did you navigate and overcome it and process it? And how did you step into the, you know, having your son? Um, after going through that experience?

• 51:42Jessie Inchauspé?

  I mean, talk about anxiety, man. So I was pregnant my first time. And at no point did I think anything bad could happen. I had no, there was nothing in my field, nothing in my mind. I never thought anything wrong would happen.

• 52:00Lewis Howes?

  You're young, you're healthy, you're getting all the right things.

• 52:03Jessie Inchauspé?

  And so the moment of that first positive pregnancy test, I told everybody. Everybody. I didn't know. I was like, oh, I guess people wait three months, but I just, I was like, oh, this doesn't apply to me. I just had no, no concept.

• 52:15Lewis Howes?

  Happening.

• 52:15Jessie Inchauspé?

  Yeah. So ultrasound, there's a heartbeat. I'm like, oh, my God, great.

• 52:18Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 52:19Jessie Inchauspé?

  Yeah. Baby's gonna be born in December, blah, blah, blah. And I'm due to go to the second ultrasound. It was at three months.

• 52:25Lewis Howes?

  Oh.

• 52:26Jessie Inchauspé?

  And I'm like, la, la, la, la, da, da, everything's fine. And I show up and they start, the doctor starts the ultrasound. And this image pops up on the screen and instantly I just knew the worst. I was like, something's wrong because the embryo had not grown since the last time. And it was sort of at the bottom of the screen, kind of, you could tell that it was.

• 52:47Lewis Howes?

  Oh, man, that's so sad.

• 52:50Jessie Inchauspé?

  Um, and so I learned that I had had what's called a silent miscarriage. Meaning in normal quote unquote miscarriages, you bleed and you, your body expulses um the pregnancy naturally. My body did not do that. So I learned at the ultrasound that I had been walking around for three weeks, thinking I was still pregnant, but the embryo had stopped developing three weeks ago. Oh my gosh. So entire life comes crashing down. I mean, like just the emotional shock of that was unlike anything I had ever experienced. It was just, I, I, I don't even have words. I remember this one sentence I said to my husband, and that's the best way I can describe it. I said, if emotions could kill, I think I'd be dead.

• 53:36Jessie Inchauspé?

  The level of despair that I spiraled into for the better part of like a whole month was just, it was so painful. So I had to have um a surgery where they take the embryo. Oh my gosh. Yeah. It was a whole thing. And so how did I process it? Um, it was just extremely difficult, very, very difficult. And all of a sudden, you see pregnant people everywhere. Oh. You know? They're happy. Yeah, they're happy. All of a sudden, you're like, everybody's pregnant around me. Oh no. Everything, it was so painful. And so, so I honestly, I didn't cope very well. I started drinking a lot of coffee and just working a lot and tried to get my mind off it. Really? Yeah. I'm like numbing. I was numbing, completely numbing.

• 54:17Jessie Inchauspé?

  And then, you know, I spoke to my therapist, my husband, I had really supportive friends, but it was just a very difficult process. And two months after that, I was in, I was in two minds. One part of me was still grieving and still incredibly sad. And the other part of me was like, I think I want to try again. And I was wrestling with this thing of like, do I need to be healed from the miscarriage? Physically or emotionally? Emotionally, before I'm allowed to try again? I don't know. I had a sense of like, do I need to heal myself before I can try again? And I realized that, no, that that grief was always gonna, was always gonna be there. And it was probably gonna coexist with a new pregnancy. Oh man.

• 55:03Jessie Inchauspé?

  And so I got pregnant again, rather quickly, in two months. And I was extremely anxious that it was gonna happen again. It was awful, because again, I had no external signs of anything wrong. And until your baby starts kicking at like month five or something, you have no clue what's going on.

• 55:23Lewis Howes?

  Were you checking your ultrasounds every month?

• 55:25Jessie Inchauspé?

  I was going to the doctor almost every week.

• 55:27Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 55:27Jessie Inchauspé?

  Oh, yeah.

• 55:28Lewis Howes?

  Hey, make sure it's okay?

• 55:29Jessie Inchauspé?

  I was freaked out.

• 55:30Lewis Howes?

  That's a lot of anxiety.

• 55:31Jessie Inchauspé?

  I was incredibly anxious, very, very, very anxious. I would cry all the time, like for, you know, for forty eight hours after, before each ultrasound, I would be crying and sobbing, scared it was gonna happen again, walking to the doctor's office. I was crying. Everything was fine every time, but it was horrible.

• 55:48Lewis Howes?

  Very emotional.

• 55:50Jessie Inchauspé?

  Horrible. And until my son was born, and I could hold him in my arms, I was still anxious.

• 55:55Lewis Howes?

  Because you're like, you never know, I guess.

• 55:57Jessie Inchauspé?

  Never know. So it was very, very difficult. And what I realized is that we don't talk about pregnancy loss at all. And when this happened to me, I learned some crazy things, like all of these people close to me had experienced this and were just telling me now.

• 56:13Lewis Howes?

  They never shared it before?

• 56:14Jessie Inchauspé?

  Like, my mom was like, oh, yeah, I had three miscarriages. I was like, what? My grandmother, I had five. I was like, what?

• 56:22Jessie Inchauspé?

  You know, tongues untie, but it's taboo. Nobody knows how to handle it and...

• 56:28Lewis Howes?

  It's a heavy thing.

• 56:29Jessie Inchauspé?

  It's, it's heavy, but...

• 56:32Jessie Inchauspé?

  Yes, I guess it's heavy, but look, when somebody goes through grief in another form, people kind of know how to handle it. So, heavy things happen all the time, but the heavy things that we're okay talking about are easier to handle.

• 56:46Lewis Howes?

  Gosh.

• 56:47Jessie Inchauspé?

  So in my book, I talk about all of that, my entire story, because I wanted to put it out there, because the only thing that made me feel better when I was going through that was to talk to women who had gone through that as well.

• 56:56Lewis Howes?

  Not holding on to it.

• 56:57Jessie Inchauspé?

  Yeah, and to hear that, like, many people around me had had a miscarriage and then a successful pregnancy afterwards.

• 57:03Lewis Howes?

  Oh, that's good. So there's hope. Do you feel like you've, or where are you on your healing journey of that?

• 57:11Jessie Inchauspé?

  Honestly, today I actually good. I feel like I've processed it.

• 57:14Lewis Howes?

  That's good.

• 57:14Jessie Inchauspé?

  But, but it was probably one of the darkest moments in my life.

• 57:18Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 57:18Jessie Inchauspé?

  But today, I feel fine because my son is here and he's okay.

• 57:23Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, and he's happy and he's.

• 57:24Jessie Inchauspé?

  Yeah. So in a way, I'm like, okay, I can have a healthy baby. Like, this is possible. And maybe it'll come back up at some other point. Writing it in this, in the book was also very cathartic and talking about it a lot was cathartic, but it's very, very challenging.

• 57:45Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. I mean, something that guys will never know what that feels like.

• 57:51Jessie Inchauspé?

  Yeah.

• 57:51Lewis Howes?

  You know, will never know what that feels like with their wives or people that have gone through that.

• 57:55Jessie Inchauspé?

  Yeah. It's a very isolating experience.

• 57:57Lewis Howes?

  I can imagine. Wow. I mean, but I think a lot of women, even if they haven't had a miscarriage, it sounds like what I, what is very common for pregnant women after they deliver a baby is postpartum depression and some form of come down, even though you have this beautiful miracle and gift that has come into your life. But, you know, even my wife, Martha, she is the most positive person I've ever met. She has tools. She goes to therapy. She's been doing these things for years. But she had, I guess it was pre-diabetes, gestational diabetes, like symptoms during

• 58:39Lewis Howes?

  the pregnancy and then preclampsia. And it was, it was rough for her for about six weeks. And she is super positive and has the tools and has support and family's there and, you know, has a, you know, supportive husband. All these things are there and it was still challenging for her. And there's still moments now, but a lot of women don't have all that support and they go through extreme postpartum depression. Did you experience any of that? And how can we serve moms who have delivered babies on how to set themselves up for success after the delivery to minimize those things?

• 59:19Jessie Inchauspé?

  I think food is a big tool.

• 59:20Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 59:21Jessie Inchauspé?

  Because your baby will. You know, suck a lot of your reserves in your body.

• 59:27Lewis Howes?

  It will.

• 59:28Jessie Inchauspé?

  Up to a point. So for example, if you eat zero choline, your baby will take a lot of choline from you up to a point because nature always wants to make sure the mom survives.

• 59:37Lewis Howes?

  Survives too. Yeah, yeah.

• 59:38Jessie Inchauspé?

  So if you end your pregnancy depleted, muscle loss, no choline, all of your omega threes taken from you for your baby's brain up to a point. Any adult with low choline, low omega three, low muscle mass and blood sugar spikes and dips will not feel well. You throw that into postpartum, huge hormonal shift.

• 1:00:01Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:01Jessie Inchauspé?

  Sleep deprivation, isolation. Early motherhood is so isolating.

• 1:00:05Lewis Howes?

  Identity change, everything.

• 1:00:07Jessie Inchauspé?

  Everything. No wonder. Recipe for not feeling so good. So if you can use these tools in the book, you'll at least have the nutrition part not too depleted after you give birth. It's just very difficult. I don't have a magic one. I also went through, it was very painful. My baby's eight months now, but you know, for the first four months, it was rough. I didn't feel so good. It's very challenging in so many respects, emotionally, mentally, spiritually, physically.

• 1:00:35Jessie Inchauspé?

  Very, very hard, very, very, very hard. And I was finishing writing this book at the same time, like, whoa, it was just a vortex, vortex. I feel a bit more stable now because it's getting better also. So it's, it's helping. It's just a very tough, tender moment of life.

• 1:00:51Lewis Howes?

  As a scientist yourself and a researcher, do you have a relationship with God?

• 1:00:56Jessie Inchauspé?

  Yeah, I do.

• 1:00:57Lewis Howes?

  How do you wrestle with science and spirituality?

• 1:01:01Jessie Inchauspé?

  I don't.

• 1:01:01Lewis Howes?

  You know?

• 1:01:02Jessie Inchauspé?

  No. I think it's ridiculous to say that the only real things are the things that science understands. I think it's absolutely ridiculous. Look at where science was a hundred years ago. We didn't know about microbes. We didn't know about DNA. They still existed. We just didn't have the tools yet.

• 1:01:17Lewis Howes?

  Did you have a relationship with God during and after the pregnancy where you, that supported you?

• 1:01:22Jessie Inchauspé?

  Yes.

• 1:01:22Lewis Howes?

  With the isolation or with the feeling of loss or with the feeling of

• 1:01:26Jessie Inchauspé?

  Yes.

• 1:01:27Lewis Howes?

  Uncertainty or the scary like, how did you navigate that?

• 1:01:30Jessie Inchauspé?

  So I'm very, I'm very spiritual. I believe in the, in something greater than me. I don't, um, I don't relate to a specific religion, but I'm a very spiritual person. And I believe a lot in my intuition. I believe I can connect with guides, you know, I can ask for help. Help comes. I believe I have access to a lot of insights if I can just connect and quiet myself and get there. I've assigned a bit of a meaning, I think, now to the miscarriage in a way. And one thing I did after the miscarriage is that I connected, spiritually, I tried to connect to my future kids. And I was able to connect with them energetically, I felt like.

• 1:02:09Lewis Howes?

  Before you had your son?

• 1:02:10Jessie Inchauspé?

  Before I had my son. And

• 1:02:12Lewis Howes?

  Oh, really?

• 1:02:12Jessie Inchauspé?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:13Lewis Howes?

  What was that like?

• 1:02:14Jessie Inchauspé?

  Well, it was just me sort of quieting my mind and sitting on my bed and just calling me like, okay, like, kids, if you're there, like, what's going on? Give me some support, something.

• 1:02:25Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 1:02:25Jessie Inchauspé?

  Yeah. And I saw two kids. And I was like, okay, what's the meaning behind this miscarriage? And they were like, don't worry, that was just not, that's not one of us. That was just, that was a process that needed to happen. But we're good. And that helped.

• 1:02:44Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 1:02:45Jessie Inchauspé?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:46Lewis Howes?

  That's a beautiful feeling.

• 1:02:48Jessie Inchauspé?

  That helped a lot. That helped a lot.

• 1:02:49Lewis Howes?

  Speak to your future children or connect emotionally or spiritually with them and have a conversation with them of sorts.

• 1:02:56Jessie Inchauspé?

  I've always had this kind of stuff.

• 1:02:58Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 1:02:59Jessie Inchauspé?

  Even with the glucose work that I did before, I've never talked about this, but with the glucose work I did before this book, for example, I always felt like that idea of blood sugar and glucose, I connected with it. And she picked me and she was like, hey, Jessie, there's this idea. Do you want it? Do you want to enter a relationship with me? And I said, yes. There's no reason for me to have come across a glucose monitor at, you know, 25 years old, when I didn't have diabetes, when I didn't have any reason to come across it. It was just, I felt like the idea really wanted to come through me. And so it was a spiritual experience in a way. That's just how I live. I don't know, it feels normal to me. Maybe this sounds completely crazy, but yeah.

• 1:03:41Lewis Howes?

  I don't think it's crazy. I think it's cool.

• 1:03:43Jessie Inchauspé?

  Thanks.

• 1:03:44Lewis Howes?

  You don't talk about it.

• 1:03:46Jessie Inchauspé?

  No, I would love to. I think it's very fascinating.

• 1:03:48Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:48Jessie Inchauspé?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:49Lewis Howes?

  So, do you speak to your other future child?

• 1:03:52Jessie Inchauspé?

  I haven't tried, no. I haven't tried. Maybe I should talk to them and see what's up. But now one of them is here, so I can talk to him directly.

• 1:03:58Lewis Howes?

  You think there's only one more?

• 1:04:00Jessie Inchauspé?

  Yeah, I always thought I would have many, many kids, but now that I've had one, I'm like, well, it's, it's, it's a lot.

• 1:04:06Lewis Howes?

  A lot. Two at once is like another, it's another world.

• 1:04:10Jessie Inchauspé?

  Yeah, I definitely would like to have another child at some point. Uh, just also because I think my son would enjoy having that experience. And I grew up with many brothers and sisters, so I like, you know, I like that energy. I think it's fun.

• 1:04:21Lewis Howes?

  You're one of what? How many siblings?

• 1:04:23Jessie Inchauspé?

  So I have one full sister and then four halves.

• 1:04:25Lewis Howes?

  Okay.

• 1:04:26Jessie Inchauspé?

  And I'm the oldest, yeah.

• 1:04:27Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 1:04:28Jessie Inchauspé?

  Of six.

• 1:04:28Lewis Howes?

  Wow. So you felt like, you feel like you're gonna have one more in the future sometime?

• 1:04:33Jessie Inchauspé?

  Yeah, what about you?

• 1:04:34Lewis Howes?

  It's not really up to me. I think it's up to Martha, you know, I, I think I would welcome another child into our family. If she feels like she can physically, mentally, emotionally handle it. Again, she's forty-three. And so, you know, sure, she could have another child in a couple of years maybe, but it was also a lot. It was physically, I mean, we went to the ER twice, she was in the hospital multiple times. And her health and her safety is my number one priority. Obviously, our kids, but not at the risk of bringing another child to like hurt her. So for me, it's not like I have to have this or my life is over. It's, the idea of it is beautiful and amazing if she is gonna be set up for success.

• 1:05:18Lewis Howes?

  And if she wants that, but if she doesn't, I'm happy as well.

• 1:05:22Jessie Inchauspé?

  And how has your, how has the experience of having kids been spiritual in any way for you?

• 1:05:29Lewis Howes?

  Wow. I think it's gonna continue to be more spiritual the older they get. You know, it's still less than three months and it's, but even today I was looking and one of my daughters, both of them, but one of them like kinda woke up and I was like hovering over her, looking at her, and she just gave me like a little half smirk and I was like, gosh, it's really beautiful. I mean, it's a beautiful experience, you know, it's like. It's something really special. So I can only imagine how beautiful it will unfold to be. You know, how beautiful it'll be to be like, wow, you were just an idea. I mean, you were an idea that has been in a spiritual world. That now you're in a physical world, or whatever we want to call this world, but you're here now.

• 1:06:12Lewis Howes?

  And now you're developing little by little, and I'm watching it.

• 1:06:15Jessie Inchauspé?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:16Lewis Howes?

  It is a beautiful miracle.

• 1:06:18Jessie Inchauspé?

  It's a miracle.

• 1:06:19Lewis Howes?

  It is a miracle.

• 1:06:20Jessie Inchauspé?

  It is a miracle.

• 1:06:21Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, to have both of them is just a gift and to watch their personalities already within a couple of months. It's incredible. But Martha's with them more. And so she is getting to really experience it deeper at this moment, which I think is more important for her than me.

• 1:06:38Lewis Howes?

  And they're sleeping a lot, so there's only so much you can do. But they're sleeping on you, and I'm like, gosh, this is the greatest feeling, you know? It's like, I used to love my cat sleep on me, but this is like a whole nother level of having a human being sleep in your arms that came through your wife, you know? How does it feel for you when your when your son's sleeping on you?

• 1:06:57Jessie Inchauspé?

  Well, he's too big to do that now. Yeah, you can't sleep on me anymore. Yeah, yeah, it's incredible. It's everything. It's such a complexity of emotion. It's like a bouquet of all the things. It's like the most incredible thing, just like so much dopamine and serotonin and like, wow, this overwhelmed. And also like, this is the hardest thing I've ever gone through, even though, you know, I'm lucky enough that I have a nanny, like I have help, etc.

• 1:07:22Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 1:07:22Jessie Inchauspé?

  It's just, my brain has changed and is thinking about him all the time. And it's just really difficult, very challenging.

• 1:07:30Lewis Howes?

  It's hard to be a career mom and a mom full time, right? It's hard to do like both at a high level. You really need support if you're going to be working on other stuff, I guess. And it's, it demands all of you.

• 1:07:43Jessie Inchauspé?

  Yes.

• 1:07:44Lewis Howes?

  Demands all of you.

• 1:07:45Jessie Inchauspé?

  Yes. You'll never be the same.

• 1:07:47Lewis Howes?

  Nah, it's a blessing. I'm so excited. Well, I want people to get your book. It's called Nine Months That Count Forever: How Your Pregnancy Diet Shapes Your Baby's Future. And there's a lot of different strategies and science and research in here that's going to help moms or pregnant moms. Really get clear on what to eat, how to eat. And also know that if you're a mom who already had a child and you felt like you messed your kid up, your kid's gonna be okay. Like, it's gonna figure it out. And there's so many things you can course correct when they're young, that you can start getting them on these habits now if they're six months old or six years old. So it's never too late. And like you said, you didn't have a bun in the oven, you had a seed.

• 1:08:29Lewis Howes?

  And you are the fertilizer to help flourish and help them develop and grow until they are delivered. And at any moment, you can continue to refertilize a human being.

• 1:08:40Jessie Inchauspé?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:41Lewis Howes?

  At any season or stage of life.

• 1:08:42Jessie Inchauspé?

  Completely.

• 1:08:43Lewis Howes?

  So they can flourish from where they are to where they need to be. So just know that you haven't ruined your kids up if you didn't feel like you ate the perfect way. Again, the book is out, Nine Months That Count Forever, How Your Pregnancy Diet Shapes Your Baby's Future. And if people want more, they can go to glucosegoddess.com to get all your content, your newsletters there, and also glucosegoddess on Instagram, glucoserevolution on YouTube as well. You've got amazing products out right now. You've got supplements that help people, if they don't want to drink vinegar, vinegar, which I don't like, I have some of your supplements. You can take that with food.

• 1:09:22Jessie Inchauspé?

  Exactly.

• 1:09:23Lewis Howes?

  It'll help you minimize glucose spice. And you've got other products coming out in the future that if they subscribe to your newsletter or subscribe to you on Instagram, they'll get notified of what those products are gonna be. Which I'm pretty excited about.

• 1:09:34Jessie Inchauspé?

  Yeah, I'll send you some.

• 1:09:35Lewis Howes?

  Some of that stuff.

• 1:09:36Jessie Inchauspé?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:09:36Lewis Howes?

  Couple final questions before I get you out of here. I asked you this before, but I'm curious now that you're a mom, what your three truths are. So I'll ask the question from the context. You get to live as long as you want in this life. But many years away, it's your last day on earth. And you get to create and accomplish anything you want to create. All the products, the business, you have more kids, whatever you want to do, it happens. But it's the last day for you in this earth. And you have to take all of your work with you. All of your content, all of your social media, all of your books, that go with you. They don't stick around for us to have. But on the final day, you get to leave behind three lessons to the world. What would those three lessons be for you?

• 1:10:17Jessie Inchauspé?

  Have a savory breakfast.

• 1:10:21Jessie Inchauspé?

  Listen to your body because symptoms are messages. And if you're pregnant, eat a ton of eggs.

• 1:10:31Lewis Howes?

  There you go. That's good. I love it. Simple reminders. I want to acknowledge you, Jesse, for the transformation you've been on as a mom now and how you continue to show up to serve not only yourself and your son and your husband, but also your community and the world of researching these things because you went through it. You went through your own challenges pre-pregnancy in your twenties and you went through your own challenges with a miscarriage and you said, I want to find the solutions. So you turned your kind of pain into solutions for yourself and others. So I acknowledge you for the book, the work you're doing and the constant service to humanity with what you're sharing. So I appreciate you. And my final question is what's your definition of greatness?

• 1:11:15Jessie Inchauspé?

  I think this has changed. I think my definition of greatness now is peace and contentment. Because I'm, I think, you know, jealousy is a good marker of like where you want to go. And I'm so jealous of people who are just content. They're just happy. They're like, I'm content with my life. And it's not about more, right? It's about like contentment in your brain. Yeah. I think it helps to have a kid. I feel more content now, more present.

• 1:11:44Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, that's beautiful. Jesse, appreciate you.

• 1:11:46Jessie Inchauspé?

  Aw, thank you, Lewis. Thank you for having me.

• 1:11:49Lewis Howes?

  I hope you enjoyed today's episode and it inspired you on your journey towards greatness. Make sure to check out the show notes in the description for a full rundown of today's episode with all the important links. And if you want weekly exclusive bonus episodes with me personally, as well as ad-free listening, then make sure to subscribe to our Greatness Plus channel exclusively on Apple Podcasts. Share this with a friend on social media and leave us a review on Apple Podcasts as well. Let me know what you enjoyed about this episode in that review. I really love hearing feedback from you and it helps us figure out how we can support and serve you moving forward. And I want to remind you, if no one has told you lately, that you are loved, you are worthy, and you matter. And now it's time to go out

• 1:12:34Lewis Howes?

  there and do something great.