The 3 Keys to Building Your Wealth w/ Ken Honda EP 1331

Money and happiness expert Ken Honda is a best-selling self-development author in Japan, with book sales surpassing eight million copies since 2001. His latest book is called “Happy Money: The Japanese Art of Making Peace With Your Money”. Ken’s financial expertise comes from owning and managing several businesses, including an accounting company, a management consulting firm, and a venture capital corporation. In this episode you will learnHow to achieve wealth in a fulfilling way. The difference between Happy Money & Greedy Money. What kind of mindset you should have around financial goals. How to properly communicate with your money. For more, go to lewishowes.com/1327Check out Ken’s previous episode below! The Zen Millionaire On Creating Abundance & Financial Freedom: https://link.chtbl.com/1241-podIf You Want To Become Rich, Take These Steps w/ Jaspreet Singh: https://link.chtbl.com/1301-podHow Your Beliefs Are Keeping You From Being A Millionaire w/ Alex Hormozi: https://link.chtbl.com/1324-pod Get more from Lewis! Get my New York Times Bestselling book, Make Money Easy! Get The Greatness Mindset audiobook on SpotifyText Lewis AIYouTubeInstagramWebsiteTiktokFacebookX

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• 0:00Ken Honda?

  If you can control this greed in you that I need to have more, it's almost like you're brainwashed by marketing techniques.

• 0:09Lewis Howes?

  Welcome to the School of Greatness. My name is Lewis Howes, a former pro athlete turned lifestyle entrepreneur. And each week, we bring you an inspiring person or message to help you discover how to unlock your inner greatness. Thanks for spending some time with me today. Now let the class begin.

• 0:34Lewis Howes?

  Welcome back everyone to School of Greatness. Very excited about our guest. We have the inspiring Ken Honda in the house. Good to see you, sir.

• 0:41Ken Honda?

  Thank you, Lewis. I'm so happy to be invited to this show. In real situation.

• 0:47Lewis Howes?

  Yes, in person, in life.

• 0:49Ken Honda?

  Yes, not Zoom.

• 0:50Lewis Howes?

  I know, we did our first interview on Zoom. And our community loved it and they wanted more.

• 0:56Ken Honda?

  That's great.

• 0:57Lewis Howes?

  I'm excited to have you back on. You have written a book, you have written many books. Over 8 million copies of your book sold around the world. It's incredible. Your book that I love is called Happy Money, The Japanese Art of Making Peace With Your Money.

• 1:14Ken Honda?

  Yes.

• 1:14Lewis Howes?

  This is going to be a book that everyone's going to want to read. But to dive into it first, I feel like a lot of people are afraid of money. A majority of people have fears, anxiety, stress, worry, their relationships struggle because of money in intimate relationships. And you teach people about how to have peace with money, knowing that money comes and goes, it flows, and to be okay with that process of life. And one of the things I want to start with is, do you have an affirmation that you can give people or that we could work on together to support people? Whenever they feel stressed around money, that they can say this affirmation that will give them more peace?

• 1:59Lewis Howes?

  Do you have anything?

• 2:00Ken Honda?

  Yeah, something like money is love, money is my friend.

• 2:05Ken Honda?

  Money can help me achieve my dreams. So whatever positive affirmations you can come up with. I think anything is good. But I think money is my best friend is a good affirmation. When you worry about money, I say, I would say money is love. So when you think in my head, money is love. Instead of money is a scary person. I think you feel a lot less stress.

• 2:31Lewis Howes?

  But how does someone, if they've lived in stress around money for their whole life, their entire life, they've been afraid. How can they start to use that affirmation? And how long will it take for them to start to believe it, to feel it?

• 2:46Ken Honda?

  So I think you have to think back, look back on your relationship with money since you're five or six. We wake up to the reality of the world when we are around five, six, seven. I used to be a volunteer at my daughter's kindergarten. And I asked one of the, one of the boys at the kindergarten. And what are you gonna get for Christmas? And he said, no, Santa Claus is not coming. And I thought, oh, why, why is that? And he said, because my, my, how, my parents are poor.

• 3:22Lewis Howes?

  Interesting.

• 3:23Ken Honda?

  Whoa, really? Who told you that? And he said, my mom.

• 3:26Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 3:27Ken Honda?

  So like we are waking up to the reality when we are small. And then since then, we've had so many negative messages around money. So I have a fun collection of saying, when I visited Europe a few weeks ago. There's all the things that we were told since we are five or six. Money, they don't grow on trees in America, right? If you don't have money, you don't have a head. You know, that's a scary thing.

• 3:56Lewis Howes?

  Sure.

• 3:56Ken Honda?

  So all those phrases keep telling us that money is not a happy thing.

• 4:03Ken Honda?

  But when you start thinking, you must have some fond memories too around money. You know, a certain gift that you're so happy to receive. And the scholarship or the happy money that you get from your grandparents or your parents or friends. You know, they buy you for Christmas gift or birthday present. There is so much happy money in your life, but you forget because we are so overwhelmed by the stress around money.

• 4:29Lewis Howes?

  Right, yeah, maybe there was a trip you went on with a friend or family. You went on an adventure and that money provided that memory, that experience for you.

• 4:37Ken Honda?

  Right, it was worth the money, right? There's a happy saying.

• 4:41Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 4:41Ken Honda?

  So there are many positive sayings around money as well.

• 4:44Lewis Howes?

  And you grew up in Japan, is that right? And so in Japan, are people just as anxious and stressed about money as they are in America? Or is there a different belief around?

• 4:54Ken Honda?

  Yes, we have a different kind of stress. You know, because it's so interesting, in North America, when say your college buddies, right? After twenty years of graduation, you bump into one another. And you don't, you don't ask each other, how much do you make a year?

• 5:12Lewis Howes?

  No, in US, no.

• 5:13Ken Honda?

  No, right? And in Japan, we casually talk about it.

• 5:17Lewis Howes?

  You talk about how much you make?

• 5:18Ken Honda?

  Yes, but in North America, I think you're gonna lose a friend.

• 5:21Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 5:22Ken Honda?

  If you bring that question.

• 5:24Lewis Howes?

  Why do you in Japan, do people in the culture talk about money and how much someone makes more frequently?

• 5:31Ken Honda?

  Because I think how much you make is not as tied up with how much, how much your worth is. But in North America, it seems culturally, it's not, nothing wrong. But how much you have or how much you make equals how much your worth. So it's more taboo here. But it's, what's, it's interesting is like, when you grab your Japanese, you know, friend and then ask him how many times you have sex, he's gonna freak out.

• 6:00Lewis Howes?

  Right, but in America, people might talk about it more.

• 6:03Ken Honda?

  Right, they will probably enjoy talking about it, right? So I think there's a different kind of taboos.

• 6:09Lewis Howes?

  That's interesting.

• 6:10Ken Honda?

  Which I really enjoy so much.

• 6:11Lewis Howes?

  That's interesting. Now, with the culture of people just talking about it more openly with their friends or family. What does that do for the culture then around money? Does it make it less scary? Does it make it more effortless for people to work? What is that like?

• 6:26Ken Honda?

  In China too, you know, people casually ask you how much you make? Or how much money you have? Or how much?

• 6:33Lewis Howes?

  Strangers too, or just friends?

• 6:34Ken Honda?

  Yeah, and also friends. And also, like, how much is the rent? Or how much does this condo cost? You know, like, what's the weather today? You know, the city would answer you, right? So it's as easy as that. So in a culture like that, people are more open. And they can confront themselves about what's working, what's not. But in North America, everything around money is such a taboo. That it's a, it seems, because I've been listening to many couples in America. It seems like, it's almost like a taboo for a couple to talk about money.

• 7:12Lewis Howes?

  It is.

• 7:13Ken Honda?

  Unless something really comes up and it's like an eruption of volcano.

• 7:17Lewis Howes?

  Sure.

• 7:18Ken Honda?

  But you should talk about it long before the mug, you know, the eruption.

• 7:22Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, yeah. So do people in relationships or married people in Japan? Do they talk about money pretty frequently? Do they talk about it before they get married? You know, is there stress around money in the couples?

• 7:35Ken Honda?

  Of course, definitely. That's why my books are so popular in Japan. So, I mean, it's the same, but it's a kind of different stress.

• 7:43Lewis Howes?

  Gotcha.

• 7:43Ken Honda?

  And in Japan, of course, you fight over money. But surprisingly, women are more in control of money.

• 7:53Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 7:54Ken Honda?

  Yes, I mean, probably like from American culture, guys control it. But actually, all my friends, you know, guy friends, you know, they are controlled by their housewives.

• 8:06Lewis Howes?

  They control the money?

• 8:07Ken Honda?

  Right, and they're given a certain, like, allowance money.

• 8:10Lewis Howes?

  The men?

• 8:11Ken Honda?

  Yes.

• 8:11Lewis Howes?

  Are the men making the money and then giving it to the women? And saying, okay, tell me what to do?

• 8:16Ken Honda?

  Yeah, so one time I talked with a housewife in Japan. And she said, you know, I'm afraid, I'm afraid of money.

• 8:26Ken Honda?

  And I'm so worthless because I'm not making money. And I ask him, but who is financing the whole thing? And my husband. So you are, you know, man, you are the business owner. He is a worker.

• 8:40Lewis Howes?

  Sure.

• 8:41Ken Honda?

  You get the fruits.

• 8:42Lewis Howes?

  The woman's the business owner.

• 8:43Ken Honda?

  Right.

• 8:44Lewis Howes?

  The man is the worker, as we say.

• 8:46Ken Honda?

  Right.

• 8:46Lewis Howes?

  Interesting.

• 8:47Ken Honda?

  Yeah, and then she said, yes, I never know that. You know, I've never known. So now I'm gonna make him work harder. Everybody laugh.

• 8:54Lewis Howes?

  Make more money for me, yeah, yeah.

• 8:56Ken Honda?

  So it's a different kind of stress, but it's so hard for us to really confront financial issues because we have so many emotions.

• 9:05Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 9:05Ken Honda?

  Around money. It's universal.

• 9:07Lewis Howes?

  I love your point where you said in North America and America, most people tie their self-worth with their net worth.

• 9:15Ken Honda?

  Yes.

• 9:15Lewis Howes?

  Right, their bank account, how much is in there? How much they have with how valuable they are as a human being, right? Their, the quality of their character and how they add value in the world.

• 9:25Ken Honda?

  Right.

• 9:26Lewis Howes?

  But in Japan, I'm hearing you say it's less that way. It's more, people don't tie how much money they have with how good of a person they are.

• 9:33Ken Honda?

  Yes, and also like how many friends you have. Not on Facebook, I mean real, real friends. And also like school teachers are so well-respected, for example. You know, they're not making so much money, but occupations like that are highly respected.

• 9:49Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 9:50Ken Honda?

  But here in America, it seems like there is not much respect for school teachers, which I feel so sorry about. So if you make money, you're golden in America. But there must be some kind of criteria, like how much you contribute into the community or how much satisfaction you get out of work. But just numbers, they don't really translate into happiness.

• 10:16Lewis Howes?

  Well, I think you see that in America where there might be a lot of people who have a lot of financial success. They have a lot of money, but their relationships are broken, their marriages are fall apart. They're, you know, they don't feel good about themselves. They don't have fulfillment, right? Because it's been focused just on money and not on service. How can I add value as well?

• 10:37Ken Honda?

  Yes.

• 10:38Lewis Howes?

  So I think it's important to be aware that a rich life is not just about how much money you make. It's about how good you feel about yourself.

• 10:46Ken Honda?

  Yes.

• 10:47Lewis Howes?

  In your life, right?

• 10:48Ken Honda?

  Exactly, exactly.

• 10:50Lewis Howes?

  I'm curious, what do you think are? Some of the beliefs that hold people back from keeping them to create the wealth that they wanna have, from making more money. What are some of those beliefs that says, "I'm not able to do this because why?"

• 11:07Ken Honda?

  Because we feel so unworthy for the abundance. So it doesn't really matter how much money you make or how much money you have. After paying all the bills, you don't have much money left.

• 11:20Lewis Howes?

  Taxes, bills.

• 11:21Ken Honda?

  Right. If you pay, if you make thirty thousand dollars or a hundred thousand dollars or one million dollars. Because the cost is going higher.

• 11:32Lewis Howes?

  Your lifestyle.

• 11:33Ken Honda?

  Right. And you used to have one car, second-hand car. Now you need Tesla, you know, and you need second home and third home. So you really have to see how to satisfy with yourself with less.

• 11:48Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 11:49Ken Honda?

  And at the same time, you can have more. So you can, you can have more than necessary. But the food prices are going up and the gas prices are going up. So we're almost like drowning in the sea of bills.

• 12:05Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 12:05Ken Honda?

  And then they're just, you know, going up. And then we are drowning in that.

• 12:10Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 12:10Ken Honda?

  So instead of feeling that or overwhelmed by the bills, you can be creative and come up with the ideas that you can contribute to the world. So by doing more contribution, you get more money. So if you are more creative about serving the world, serving other people with your gifts, with who you are, you can create the flow of happy money. And as a result, you can receive more money. And if you can control this greed in you that I need to have more. It's almost like you're brainwashed by marketing techniques. And even though you're wealthy, you keep complaining about how much you don't have.

• 12:52Ken Honda?

  Once I had an interview with a private jet owner. And I thought, "You're such a big success." And he said, "No, no, no, I'm just a small thing." Because when I pull over to this special in the terminal.

• 13:06Lewis Howes?

  It's a bigger jet.

• 13:07Ken Honda?

  There's a lot bigger jets. Mine is so small, you know. It's only six people. So I feel so small when I pull over with my Mercedes. Because they're just Rolls Royce and all the big cars. And then I feel so small. So you have to ask yourself, when is enough? How much is enough? That's when I, uh, my Zen teaching comes in. You have to know who you are and you have to know the right money container size. I think we're born with a certain money container size.

• 13:39Lewis Howes?

  Really? What does that mean?

• 13:40Ken Honda?

  And say, uh, some people are not equipped with so much money and you don't need so much money. So you can be satisfied with less. Like say, if you're a school teacher, you don't need to have three Mercedes Benz. And you don't need to live in a big mansion. So if you feel like, oh, I don't need to make that much money. I know how to satisfy myself and you can do that.

• 14:08Lewis Howes?

  I live a rich, fulfilled life with what I make.

• 14:10Ken Honda?

  Yes, yes. So instead of just going, uh, pursuing wealth, you can find invisible assets, which I also teach about. I haven't really taught in English yet, but there are, you know, visible assets and invisible assets. And in fact, invisible assets are super more important than invisible assets.

• 14:30Lewis Howes?

  What are some examples of invisible assets?

• 14:32Ken Honda?

  Like friendship, trust, happiness, love, generosity, kindness. All the great things in life are invisible, but yet people can feel it. You know, uh, if you bump into somebody and if he or she is so kind, you feel it.

• 14:50Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 14:50Ken Honda?

  So unfortunately generosity and kindness are not regarded as a great thing. But I mean, in, and in North America, I've seen news that people just, you know, uh, do something right. And then they turn, uh, their wallets to the owner and, and you know, they're happy stories. So people, uh, still respect.

• 15:12Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 15:12Ken Honda?

  Honesty. Is another one. So there are so many great assets that we have. But we, when we look at our lives, we evaluate to zero. So even though you have not much in your bank account, if you have so many friends and if you have so many people who, that you care about you, you're in heaven.

• 15:37Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 15:37Ken Honda?

  But you look at your bank account and then if it's a small number, you get depressed. So you have to look at invisible assets and you should be happy.

• 15:47Lewis Howes?

  And focus on the invisible assets as well.

• 15:50Ken Honda?

  Yes, because I'm sort of joking, you know, even though you don't have any money, if you have more than fifty friends who let you stay for one week.

• 15:58Lewis Howes?

  Hey, you're rich.

• 15:59Ken Honda?

  Yeah, and you can spend a whole year.

• 16:02Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 16:02Ken Honda?

  By visiting your friend.

• 16:03Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 16:04Ken Honda?

  And after one year, you can go back to your friend number one and say, it's been a year, how are you?

• 16:09Lewis Howes?

  I have a great friend, his name is Jesse Itzler. And for I think at least one year, maybe two years, when he was in his early twenties, he stayed on like ten different friends' couches.

• 16:19Ken Honda?

  Hmm.

• 16:19Lewis Howes?

  He didn't have enough money to pay for rent, but he had friends that he stayed with that all of them are still his friends today. He's in his fifties.

• 16:28Ken Honda?

  Yes.

• 16:28Lewis Howes?

  Thirty years later, and he's an extremely successful business entrepreneur now, but he had a free place when he had no money because of his generosity.

• 16:37Ken Honda?

  Yes.

• 16:38Lewis Howes?

  His kindness, his honesty, his lovability, all those things, which are invisible assets.

• 16:43Ken Honda?

  Right.

• 16:44Lewis Howes?

  Which turned into financial assets.

• 16:46Ken Honda?

  Yes, yes. And talking about invisible assets and generosity, I saw, want to show my appreciation to American people. Thirty years ago, thirty some years ago, I was nineteen. And I made up my mind to explore this kindness factor in North America. And I came here with that much money and I tried to have a one-year experiment.

• 17:11Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 17:11Ken Honda?

  Depending on generosity of American people.

• 17:14Lewis Howes?

  When you were nineteen?

• 17:15Ken Honda?

  Yes, and I bump into, they say, an old man in the park. And then I ask him, is there any restaurant that I can eat for, at the very, very, you know, no money? And he said, okay, I'll take you there. And they pay for my dinner. And if you don't have any place, why don't you stay with me? So for a whole year in nineteen eighty-seven.

• 17:36Ken Honda?

  I depended on the American people's generosity. And after one year, I had the same amount of bank account money. And then I could go back.

• 17:47Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 17:47Ken Honda?

  And I've been writing, you know, my experiences again, it's a national best as well. So, uh, America is so generous. And I think people may not feel if because you're living here. So I really believe in American people's generosity and openness. Uh, some people just let me stay as long as they, as long as I wanted.

• 18:09Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 18:10Ken Honda?

  Yeah, so I, um, I, I still, uh, feel like I, I, I owe America a lot.

• 18:16Lewis Howes?

  That's beautiful. How many people helped you in that year?

• 18:18Ken Honda?

  I think probably at least sixteen or, or twenty people.

• 18:22Lewis Howes?

  That either paid for something or let you stay at their place or helped you in some way?

• 18:25Ken Honda?

  Yeah, so whenever I bump into an American young people, like, okay, I'll buy you lunch and dinner in Thailand. They'll bump into an American tourist, you know, like a backpackers and, okay, I'm gonna pay your lunch. Because somebody else in America, just, uh, they, they pay mine.

• 18:42Lewis Howes?

  That's beautiful.

• 18:42Ken Honda?

  So I try to pick up, uh, in a tab, uh, for Americans especially.

• 18:47Lewis Howes?

  That's interesting because when I was in my early twenties, struggling financially. I was reaching out on LinkedIn to, uh, business leaders, mentors that I thought could help me. And a lot of them took the time to take me out to lunch and they would pay for me because I couldn't, I couldn't afford.

• 19:05Ken Honda?

  Right.

• 19:06Lewis Howes?

  And that was happened for about a year and a half where I didn't have the money to pay for my own stuff. And I really, I remember saying like, feeling really bad that I couldn't pay for myself. And saying to myself, like, if I make money one day, I wanna make sure I pay as many meals as I can. With friends and things like that. So I always try to pay. It's so hard for me to let someone pay for me now at a restaurant because I'm like, I just wanna keep paying it forward.

• 19:32Ken Honda?

  That's beautiful.

• 19:33Lewis Howes?

  But you never know the impact you can have on someone with a gift, you know, the financial gift. So I wanna ask you about. The money container size, which I think is interesting. Do you feel like we're all born with a certain size of a container? For how much money we should be able to bring in? Or does the container expand and grow based on our environments?

• 19:57Ken Honda?

  Yes.

• 19:58Lewis Howes?

  On our, who we grew up with, our wisdom?

• 20:01Ken Honda?

  Of course, of course. Like I say, like some scholars, you know, who are not interested in money at all. They focus on their research and what they can do academically. So their money container is small, but they're okay. I call them money indifferent type, by the way.

• 20:19Lewis Howes?

  Money different?

• 20:20Ken Honda?

  Money indifferent.

• 20:21Lewis Howes?

  Money indifferent. They don't care about money.

• 20:23Ken Honda?

  Yes.

• 20:23Lewis Howes?

  Just enough to provide for their food and their house.

• 20:26Ken Honda?

  So some government workers, like politicians or nurses. I see them among, you know, those occupation who are giver, who are just service people, right? And like some military people who are really into service. And then they don't really care how much they have, as long as they can, you know, make a living.

• 20:43Lewis Howes?

  Right.

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• 21:45Ken Honda?

  So those people are born with small ones. And of course, by learning about business and investment, you can make your money container bigger. But there is a little bit of a difference here when you want to grow your money container. Because in North America and Europe, I often get asked by interviewers, "Ken, how can I make my container bigger?"

• 22:08Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 22:09Ken Honda?

  But in Japan, in the East, I get different kind of question about money container. The question would be, "Ken, how can I be satisfied with what I have instead of just trying to make it bigger? But I don't know how to do that. So can you teach me how to satisfy myself with where I am?" So it's a different approach. So you need to have both.

• 22:33Lewis Howes?

  So how can people in America, North America, and around the world be satisfied and grateful for where they are and still strive for more?

• 22:44Ken Honda?

  Yeah, so it's more of a find 100% fulfillment with where you are. And then if it's your path, it's going to grow. If it's not your path, you don't have to make it grow. But there's almost like a religion here in North America. Bigger is better, the more is better.

• 23:04Lewis Howes?

  Super size, yeah, everything.

• 23:05Ken Honda?

  Right. But I think, just wait a second and just think about it. Do you want a super big house if you're only two of you? If you have like seven kids, you need a big house. But if it's only two of you, maybe it's time to downsize. And because, so that way your lifestyle will be more humble. So you really have to know when to sort of like grow and also when to end your life. So you have to start facing, say you're in your 50s or 60s, you have 10 years to prepare approaching to your death. But a lot of people in the 60s and 70s, they want to act forever they're 21.

• 23:50Lewis Howes?

  Right, right.

• 23:50Ken Honda?

  So but you're going to die. So you have to prepare for the end of your life to do that. You really have to say, because your life goes up and down, right? You kind of keep climbing up the mountains. So at some point, you have to start descending. So in financial terms, you have to start spending.

• 24:14Ken Honda?

  What you have accumulated.

• 24:15Lewis Howes?

  So just keep it in the bank.

• 24:16Ken Honda?

  Yeah, so I, I, one of the books in North America I love is Die with Zero. The concept is can you die with zero at the end of your life, which is very hard. A friend of mine, uh, whose mother died with only seven dollars in her bank account.

• 24:33Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 24:34Ken Honda?

  I think it's a master of money because she calculated how much it's gonna cost for her funeral. So she just withdrew all the money and she gave all the money to her grandkids, which is like a few hundred dollars. No, she's, it's not a wealthy person. And she died with only seven dollars. So it's almost like she landed so beautifully.

• 24:56Lewis Howes?

  Wow, that's beautiful. Why do you think people are so greedy to want to make more money? And they have this greed inside of them to have, to accumulate, to attract more. Why do you think that is? And what's the difference between wanting to make more money for a good reason? And wanting to make more money because of greed?

• 25:16Ken Honda?

  Right. Louis, you keep asking me so many great questions. I'm so enjoying the interviews.

• 25:21Lewis Howes?

  Thank you.

• 25:22Ken Honda?

  I just wanted to appreciate.

• 25:23Lewis Howes?

  Thank you.

• 25:23Ken Honda?

  So, um, there are many ways to react to a financial situation. I have taught about money EQ. So, um, when we're, uh, I realized this when I was at the, um, conference table to file, um, inheritance taxes for wealthy men. And, uh, here there are three, three, uh, people, their kids, right? A wife and three kids. And they're born and brought up in the same household. But the eldest son looks like a Wall Street type, you know, nice wear suit and short haircut. And the second daughter looks very humble. And the third one looks like hippie.

• 26:02Lewis Howes?

  Sure.

• 26:06Ken Honda?

  And then I realized that to financial situation, if you're worried, um, you might end up becoming a money maker, you know.

• 26:15Lewis Howes?

  If you're worried.

• 26:17Ken Honda?

  If you're worried.

• 26:17Lewis Howes?

  If the responsibility is on you.

• 26:19Ken Honda?

  Right, so you.

• 26:20Lewis Howes?

  The older.

• 26:20Ken Honda?

  By making more money, you try to fix the worry. And, uh, and if you worry, you may want to become a spender because you feel powerful when you spend the money. So if you worry, you want to be a saver. By saving, you can feel the security.

• 26:38Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 26:38Ken Honda?

  And so there will be a warrior, you know, you do nothing, but you keep worrying.

• 26:43Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 26:44Ken Honda?

  So to finance situation, there can be many different ways and different personalities of one. So I'm fascinated with the subject because you never knew that you were spender. You were a money maker and your question comes toward money maker type.

• 27:03Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 27:04Ken Honda?

  And a happy money maker type knows that they can contribute more. So they're in the flow of happy money. And a money greed money maker type, they end up losing a lot of money.

• 27:17Lewis Howes?

  They do.

• 27:18Ken Honda?

  Yeah, because they try to increase and multiply their money, which means they take more risks. So they likely to get into scams and I've seen so many clients.

• 27:29Lewis Howes?

  Quick money, quick money.

• 27:30Ken Honda?

  Yes, get scammed by people who try to get the money.

• 27:35Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 27:36Ken Honda?

  So that's, that's life.

• 27:38Lewis Howes?

  Sure, yeah. What do you think the, you know, there's so much happening with the, in talks specifically in America with interest rates going up in America, inflation going up to over eight and a half percent recently, I think. You know, the housing market and just the uncertainty of the economic situation in America. What do you think people should be investing in? What types of assets for the next, you know, few years with all the uncertainty? What would be a great investment? That's not a try to get rich quick investment, but something that would deliver good returns, hopefully over time.

• 28:19Ken Honda?

  Right, so I taught this course online and like eight thousand people watched me teach this online. So. I talked about financial independence and visible assets and invisible assets. I see there is going to be a big change. It could come as a crash of Wall Street. But it's more, I think I see a bigger thing is going to come. Like what? Like the collapse of financial system. Really? Because we've printed so much money and then it's going crazy, it's out of control. So we never know what's going to happen. Nobody can predict.

• 29:03Ken Honda?

  So even if you invested in Bitcoins and cryptocurrency, you shut up and then down. And gold and silver is real gold coins and silver coins for not super wealthy people. I recommend that. But in 1930s, US government prohibited from owning gold. So you have to, because to protect dollars. So if that kind of thing happens, even though investment in gold is good. But what if they change the law and then it could become a felony about owning gold without reporting it, right?

• 29:47Ken Honda?

  So those things, real estate can be quite risky because it's set up that much. It could possibly go down, at least back to 10 years or 20 years. So all the thing that it got inflated could go down. So there is no safe investment. That is something you have to really know. So whatever invest could end up in half or 30% down. So instead, I recommend people start looking at invisible assets. Because what if you lose everything overnight? If you have gold, what if the government tries to take away to pay all the bills and stuff? Which is really happening in China, by the way. Really? So.

• 30:29Ken Honda?

  If that happens, I guess you have to be prepared for unthinkable situations. But as I said, if you have so many friends who can support you financially or emotionally, you're okay. So instead of having so much money in the bank account, you should have the trust and strong connections with friends around you and also reputation with your clients. So when the next financial system sets in, we might end up using the same currency worldwide. Because there could be a big crash, you know, China is falling down because of the real estate crash.

• 31:14Lewis Howes?

  China is?

• 31:14Ken Honda?

  Yes, and if you Google it, you can see it. And then all the people who have to pay the mortgage for the buildings that's not even built, they started not paying for the loans.

• 31:29Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 31:30Ken Honda?

  Which is a big deal. So either way, from somewhere, there could be the start of the crash. So whatever happens, if you have the strong connections with people around you, you can start over from a.

• 31:48Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, from zero.

• 31:49Ken Honda?

  From zero.

• 31:50Lewis Howes?

  I asked you this in our last interview, I said, okay, Ken, imagine you've lost all your money right now. And you had to make a million dollars in a year. I don't know if you remember your answer, but I asked you this and you said, I said, what would you do? And you said, well, I would just call my friends up and say, can you give me money? I'd call 10, 20 of my friends up and say, can you give me a hundred thousand each? Or can I stay in your house for free? And you would offer a service to those wealthy friends that you've created trust and invisible assets with.

• 32:22Ken Honda?

  Right.

• 32:23Lewis Howes?

  And sell them something new or whatever it might be. And it's because you have great relationships.

• 32:28Ken Honda?

  Right.

• 32:29Lewis Howes?

  That's why you could do that.

• 32:30Ken Honda?

  Yes.

• 32:31Lewis Howes?

  So what I'm hearing you say, Ken, is it's important to invest in yourself, which is developing more credibility.

• 32:39Lewis Howes?

  Uh, respect and a better reputation with your friends, your colleagues, the industry you're in, your team, things like that. So if that happens, you'll be able to get something going again.

• 32:52Ken Honda?

  Yeah, so in a sense, I'm having a huge deposit to people's heart. I have given away my booklet for free to two point three million people. So I have a list of those people that I have given away, right? And so they feel like they owe me. That's why they're buying my books and courses. So I have a hu- huge sort of inves- invisible asset and trust already saved up. And I've been giving away for so many things for the past twenty years. I've done lectures for free. I've done so many volunteer work for the people who are in need. So I have this reputation and trust among people.

• 33:34Ken Honda?

  So in the next situation, so whatever happens, I can say, I'm going to talk about the next situation and how we can build our assets in the, you know, new currency system, new financial system. A lot of people want to listen to me. So I have built enough credibility. So that's why I'm not afraid of going bankrupt. Because if I go bankrupt, I can say the joy of bankruptcy. You know, I can just say eight steps to recover from bankruptcy.

• 34:03Lewis Howes?

  You have a new book.

• 34:04Ken Honda?

  Right, whatever that is.

• 34:05Lewis Howes?

  What I did and I'll teach you how to do it, yeah.

• 34:06Ken Honda?

  Right, so I, so I'm not worried about anything at all. Instead, we have to, we have to let everybody know that if the, if something big is going to come, it's not as bad as World War Two. So we can all get, go through this together.

• 34:23Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 34:24Ken Honda?

  But we have to help one another. That is the key.

• 34:27Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 34:27Ken Honda?

  So that is also a concern I have for, for, about us. Because our hearts are so separated because of the politics or religion or the scarcity mentality. So we are having less compassion toward each other.

• 34:45Lewis Howes?

  Sure.

• 34:46Ken Honda?

  So I think for the next few years, we're going to experiencing. Uh, we're going to experience a lot of um anxiety.

• 34:52Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 34:53Ken Honda?

  And worries because of what's going on in Ukraine and everywhere, right? Everything we see is depressing, to be honest.

• 35:01Lewis Howes?

  Very depressing.

• 35:02Ken Honda?

  Right, but at the same time, it's not as bad as a hundred years ago.

• 35:06Lewis Howes?

  True.

• 35:06Ken Honda?

  So.

• 35:07Lewis Howes?

  When everyone was starving, yes.

• 35:09Ken Honda?

  Right, so we can go through this, but to do this, we have to be kind to one another. We have to show generosity. So if you feel like you have more than enough, you have to start sharing what you have. At the, at the worst time, which is, which, which could come in years.

• 35:26Lewis Howes?

  When do you, I mean, if you could predict, obviously, no one knows, but how, do you think there's going to be a bigger recession or some type of crash in some way? Uh, in the US economy or in the world? And when do you think that will happen?

• 35:41Ken Honda?

  I see, um, I already feel it in twenty uh twenty-three, so.

• 35:46Lewis Howes?

  You think next year?

• 35:47Ken Honda?

  Next year, because a lot is going to happen with the US election and also the uh potential uh conflict in China and Taiwan and also uh the, the gas shortage and everything. Uh, and also, uh, so many tons of uh uh food is uh wheat is stopped at the port of Ukraine.

• 36:11Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 36:12Ken Honda?

  Which could cause a starvation in African countries. So we're going to see a lot of chaos in the next few months.

• 36:19Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 36:19Ken Honda?

  Yeah, and we're going to experience a lot of uh gas shortage uh in European countries, which they're thinking about. Because the gas stopped coming to Germany. So a lot of uh change is going to happen in the next few months.

• 36:36Lewis Howes?

  What, for everyone listening and watching right now, what would be the next three steps they should take after listening or watching to this? Around their invisible assets, their visible assets, or just the next three steps they should take in life to prepare for this?

• 36:52Ken Honda?

  Right, so mentally, you have to be ready to find your peace of mind. So you can start counting your blessings. Start appreciating what you have and enjoy the flow of happy money. So when money comes in, you can say, "Thank you for the money given to me." When you pay for the bills, "Thank you, I have enough abundance so I can pay the bills." And start blessing people that you're giving money to. So by doing that, you can find your peace of mind. Yes. And whatever you do, I think that's the basic. That's number one. That's the base. And also, secondly, you have to start figuring out your inventory, what you have and who you are. What type of inventory?

• 37:38Ken Honda?

  Both emotional and also your gift.

• 37:43Ken Honda?

  I never knew I could write until I was thirty-three. Really? My parents were so surprised and my brother and sister. And many of my friends were so surprised that I became an author. And I was the one who got surprised most, by the way. Yeah. So I didn't know until I started writing. So I'm sure you have some kind of gifts buried in you. For example, Luis, you are an athlete, so definitely you knew your gift as an athlete. But probably you didn't know that you had a gift as an interviewer. No, I had no idea. Speaker. Yeah, writer, I had no idea. Writer, right, and also somebody who can motivate people. Right.

• 38:26Ken Honda?

  You know, you use it for you to motivate yourself, but you didn't know you can impact millions of people. I had no idea. Right, so like when you're young, in your thirties and forties, you never knew. And so you have to start looking at Sure. what you have. What skills, tools that you have developed that you could use if you need them, yeah. And you have to multiply them, because only a single gift is not taking you far. But if you can multiply your gifts of speaking, for example, and also listening and a sense of humor and the care, generosity, if you combine all of them, you become so unique. Yes. So once you become so unique, people start just coming to you. Because you are more attractive.

• 39:11Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 39:11Ken Honda?

  Yeah, so.

• 39:12Lewis Howes?

  Okay, okay, so that's number two is find out your inventory of your assets and your gifts. And I'm also assuming your inventory of like how much money you have, your investments.

• 39:21Ken Honda?

  Yeah.

• 39:21Lewis Howes?

  What you.

• 39:21Ken Honda?

  But it's not so important.

• 39:23Lewis Howes?

  Okay.

• 39:23Ken Honda?

  Because if you are not making much, it's not much anyway, right?

• 39:27Lewis Howes?

  What skills do you have?

• 39:28Ken Honda?

  Yeah.

• 39:28Lewis Howes?

  Skills, yeah.

• 39:28Ken Honda?

  Right, so if you, uh, net asset is less than, uh, three hundred thousand dollars, don't worry about investing. I think you should invest in yourself.

• 39:36Lewis Howes?

  Invest in you.

• 39:37Ken Honda?

  And, and take your friends out for dinner because it's gonna pay more dividend.

• 39:41Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 39:42Ken Honda?

  So.

• 39:42Lewis Howes?

  Be generous with your energy, your time, your gifts.

• 39:45Ken Honda?

  Yes, uh, and then the third step would be start getting support from everybody, everybody. You know, I have, say, for example, more than ten thousand, uh, people, um, sending me money every month as a a form of subscrib- uh, subscription online salon.

• 40:02Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 40:02Ken Honda?

  So, and, uh, I haven't promised anything to do for them, so it's just a love money. So can, you know.

• 40:09Lewis Howes?

  This is what type of money?

• 40:10Ken Honda?

  Love money.

• 40:11Lewis Howes?

  Love money.

• 40:11Ken Honda?

  Yeah.

• 40:11Lewis Howes?

  So ten thousand people.

• 40:13Ken Honda?

  Yeah.

• 40:13Lewis Howes?

  Pay you money every month.

• 40:14Ken Honda?

  Yes, ten dollars.

• 40:15Lewis Howes?

  Just because they love you.

• 40:15Ken Honda?

  Yeah.

• 40:16Lewis Howes?

  Ten dollars.

• 40:16Ken Honda?

  That's how I feel.

• 40:17Lewis Howes?

  Wow, are you, are you offering them any, are you giving them any?

• 40:20Ken Honda?

  I just say, uh, I, I had this fun interview with Louis today and, and Stockholm. Send some videos, but I'm not promising like I do this, you know, so I give you this, so give me, give me this.

• 40:32Lewis Howes?

  Right, right.

• 40:32Ken Honda?

  No, it's more of a casual thing.

• 40:34Lewis Howes?

  That's cool.

• 40:34Ken Honda?

  So, uh, so I have enough trust from people, so the happy money, so almost like, um, uh, is given in my custody, so I can help other people.

• 40:45Lewis Howes?

  That's cool.

• 40:46Ken Honda?

  So, uh, if you start getting, uh, fun clubs or cheerleader, cheer supporters. So you can start with five people and you can, uh, start having ten people, thirty people. So the next economy will be very interesting because, uh, a lot of people support one another. So instead of working for one big company, say I have three hundred people supporting me.

• 41:09Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 41:10Ken Honda?

  Say, uh, and you can, uh, increase your.

• 41:14Ken Honda?

  Monthly support money, say a hundred dollars per month. You know, if I get a support from thirty people, a hundred dollars a month, that's three thousand dollars.

• 41:24Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 41:25Ken Honda?

  And if you get fifty people who are supporting you with a hundred dollars, you already have a five thousand dollar income. So whatever you do, you don't have to be the next entrepreneur of the world. You can satisfy, or at least you can have deep connection with fifty people, or hundred people, who love you so much. And who's not gonna let you down when you fall.

• 41:48Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 41:49Ken Honda?

  So if you have that strong trust from people, you don't have to worry about money for the rest of your life.

• 41:56Lewis Howes?

  Wow. What should be financial goals that people create for themselves? Should they have financial goals?

• 42:04Ken Honda?

  I don't think financial goal is necessary. If you wanna buy a big house, you may need to have that.

• 42:11Lewis Howes?

  Sure.

• 42:11Ken Honda?

  But financial goals people come up with, it's because they want to feel safe, sense of security. So you don't need to have a goal of one million dollars. Because when you reach one million dollars, you feel like this is not enough.

• 42:30Lewis Howes?

  I need more, right?

• 42:31Ken Honda?

  I need two. And when you reach two millions, no, no, no, I think I should have three.

• 42:36Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, three.

• 42:37Ken Honda?

  Yeah, so instead, what I would recommend is, once again, get support from fifty people. And at the same times, if you can, imagine a joint account with your wealthiest acquaintance. You can think of me, or for me, I think of my mentor, Wahi Taketa, or Warren Buffett. Think about your imaginary joint account. And when something bad goes, happens, you can withdraw as much money as you want.

• 43:05Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 43:06Ken Honda?

  So that this fun illusion, you know, like imagination.

• 43:11Lewis Howes?

  What does that do for you when you have that imagination?

• 43:14Ken Honda?

  You feel that you're not alone. And if you're lucky, like I, when I was young.

• 43:22Ken Honda?

  I had three millionaires who endorsed me saying, can you can do whatever you want? And if you fail, I'm gonna support your life for the rest of my life.

• 43:35Lewis Howes?

  Man, is that happen in Japan a lot?

• 43:38Ken Honda?

  I think I I heard a few Americans who who experienced the same thing. So just imagine if you get that sense of security. You know, Louis, I'm gonna just, you know, keep you afloat as long as I live. And so go for it, you know?

• 43:59Lewis Howes?

  I'll text you if I need you, Ken.

• 44:01Ken Honda?

  Yeah, so so if you get an endorsement from wealthy people like that.

• 44:05Lewis Howes?

  That's cool.

• 44:06Ken Honda?

  You don't have to worry about it. Just imagine.

• 44:09Lewis Howes?

  How does someone get an endorsement from someone who has a lot of money like that?

• 44:12Ken Honda?

  I think.

• 44:12Lewis Howes?

  What can they do?

• 44:13Ken Honda?

  I think you have to leave your life purposes. That's another subject. But if you are living your life purpose, a lot of people support you.

• 44:21Lewis Howes?

  It's so true, because when I see someone who's coming up in business in their early twenties or something, and I see that they have a gift and they're using the gift consistently to create some type of value for the world. I notice it. I see it. I'm like, you're doing an amazing job. You know, I'll reach out and message people and say, I love what you're doing. Keep it up. And I think even just doing that, showing people, hey, you're doing a great job, gives them encouragement to keep going, whether you're giving them money or not, but that's that's something you can do. And I think that's it's hard to see that when someone's not using their gifts.

• 44:57Ken Honda?

  Right.

• 44:58Lewis Howes?

  You're not gonna endorse someone if they're just like, everything is against me. The world is challenging and I don't care about life. But when someone says, I'm gonna take a risk. I'm going to use my gift and put myself out there. That's inspiring. In your book, which I love, by the way, again, I want I want to get this book, Happy Money. You talk about, I think you use a concept called money magnet or like we're humans are like magnets and for money, right? And some people, it doesn't matter if you are a good person or a bad person, right? You have an analogy in the book where you say, you know, if a rock is falling, it doesn't care who it hits. It could hit a good person or a bad person.

• 45:41Ken Honda?

  Right.

• 45:41Lewis Howes?

  Gravity is pulling that rock to the ground and it's gonna hit whoever it hits, right? Based on where they're at. So, and you also talk about how most people think that it's not fair when they see someone bad, or mean, or greedy, making all the money.

• 46:01Lewis Howes?

  Can you just talk about this concept of being a money magnet? And how someone can become more of that?

• 46:07Ken Honda?

  So, once again, you know, we experience our life according to our beliefs. And some people have better luck than others. And some people work so hard, but they're getting minimum wages. So you have to find your place, your seat. Your reserved seat is what I call. A lot of people try to sit on other people's seat. Which is wrong, because your seat is reserved somewhere else. And if you don't sit on other people's seat, what happens is that you get so depressed. And then you feel so meaningless, you know, so, and all that.

• 46:49Ken Honda?

  Because you cannot really feel life. But once you sit on your seat, you are so deeply connected with your life purpose, then your magnetism stats gets turned on.

• 47:07Lewis Howes?

  So how does someone know where their seat is? And know how to sit in it? And be happy with their seat?

• 47:15Ken Honda?

  Yeah, so the only thing is ask your heart. What your heart tells you. If you're excited about it, you're going closer. So like, it's like hot or cold, right? So if you feel more excited about like doing this, this is it, this is it, this is it. So you have to have your heart guide you where you're supposed to be. So always listen to your heart, you know. And then if your heart gets excited about certain thing, you're just getting closer to your seat.

• 47:47Lewis Howes?

  Do you have a meditation or affirmation process for someone on how they can?

• 47:55Lewis Howes?

  Trust their heart, listen to their heart deeper to know they're on the right path.

• 48:01Ken Honda?

  Right.

• 48:01Lewis Howes?

  Do you have something that you you use yourself or that other people can use?

• 48:06Ken Honda?

  Yeah, so I always try to have a few minutes, say you're waiting for a car, you know, Uber, or just waiting for something. I find a few moments and then just try to find my center, you know, and then and then just go deeper and and figure out where I want to go. And just listen to my heart. What does my heart say? Am I excited about this or not? Am I trying to get money? So I'm not excited, but I have to do this to bring money on the food on the table. So I always check what my heart tells me.

• 48:44Lewis Howes?

  You're always listening to it. What happens when your heart is not excited? Like you have, let's say you have a project you're working on.

• 48:53Ken Honda?

  Right.

• 48:53Lewis Howes?

  You're working, I'm assuming all of your books you're excited about, but maybe there's an event you're supposed to go to, or I don't know, something that you said yes to. And you realize your heart is not excited about this. What do you do then? Do you do it, but then you don't repeat it the next time? Or what do you, how do you navigate that?

• 49:11Ken Honda?

  So I want to be a nice person. So once I said yes, I'll do it. But I I try to be very careful with what I say when I say yes. So I I have a great team. So they'll just check.

• 49:25Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 49:26Ken Honda?

  They'll check, even because I'm I want to be nice to everybody. So I'm likely to say yes too too many times. So my secretary and my team says, Ken, are you sure about this? Yeah, probably not. So can you come up with something?

• 49:40Lewis Howes?

  Well, I'm glad you're here. You didn't reschedule this interview.

• 49:43Ken Honda?

  Yeah, so but in general, I'm trying to listen to my heart.

• 49:47Lewis Howes?

  That's good.

• 49:47Ken Honda?

  That let me hear.

• 49:49Lewis Howes?

  I I think a lot of people don't understand the power of a daily affirmation or a daily check in with yourself, just like you talked about for two minutes. For someone that doesn't believe in affirmations.

• 50:03Lewis Howes?

  What would you say to them?

• 50:05Ken Honda?

  So even if you don't believe it, you must be saying something to yourself. Like, this is a terrible day. It's so hot. I don't like this. You know, so subconsciously, you're saying something about your life or about yourself, about your friends or about your clients. Or I hate working with this person, you know, something like that. So I think it's an affirmation by itself. So just to write down what are the things that you say to yourself, subconsciously, you can probably figure out.

• 50:37Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 50:37Ken Honda?

  And is that a happy thought? And then unfortunately, a lot of the things that we talk to ourselves are negative.

• 50:46Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 50:46Ken Honda?

  Yeah, so do you want to feed negative thoughts like this? Or do you want to pour more positive thoughts? You have a choice. But unless you write them down, you never know it. And then you may find that the reason why you get depressed because I keep telling me about life. No wonder I feel depressed. So if all the things you talked about you are positive and loving,

• 51:20Ken Honda?

  it's what you get.

• 51:21Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, exactly. And can you tell me how we can think about money as energy? In the book also, I saw you writing about how money is energy. And sometimes people try to make it and hold on to it. They want to hold on to it. They want to stack it in their bank as high as they can go. And they don't want to spend it. Sometimes it happens. What happens when we hoard money? When we keep it and we don't let it come and go as energy? What happens?

• 51:49Ken Honda?

  So I have seen so many interesting things. Like when you, if you hoard your money, a few things happen. You get sick and then you have to pay for the medical bills.

• 52:00Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 52:01Ken Honda?

  Yeah, or like your kids do something bad and then you have to pay for the damage. So money needs outlet. So it's so interesting how money flows. And if you don't let let out your money energies outlet, it's gonna it's gonna get bad. It's like a pond. If there's no flow, the water gets bad.

• 52:28Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 52:28Ken Honda?

  It's like think about your health. If you eat, eat, eat and don't go to the bathroom.

• 52:33Lewis Howes?

  You're sick.

• 52:34Ken Honda?

  What's what's gonna happen?

• 52:35Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 52:35Ken Honda?

  So for to stay healthy, you have to eat right. You have to be this right. So for for hoarding money, I want to ask them. You're eating so much, but what if you refuse? I'm I'm I'm I'm not gonna go to the bathroom, you know, for the rest of my life.

• 52:54Lewis Howes?

  Oh, my gosh. You'd be sick. Yeah, you explode.

• 52:57Ken Honda?

  And you cannot eat well. So you have to let your money flow. And then the next flow comes in. So here comes money EQ, the trust part. Trust is hardest part of money EQ. You have to have the trust that once you let go money, it comes back. So you don't have the trust. That's why you start worrying. That's why you have doubts about yourself. So instead of attaching to your money, you can say, thank you for staying with me. Just go bless the world and come back with your friends as soon as possible.

• 53:34Lewis Howes?

  Come back. Thank you for being here. Go bless the world. Come back as quick as possible with more friends.

• 53:40Ken Honda?

  Right, so it's kind of fun, right?

• 53:42Lewis Howes?

  Sure.

• 53:42Ken Honda?

  So it's a metaphor. So in your in your mind, letting go, if you let go fast, it's gonna come back fast. So I'm trying to let go money.

• 53:52Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 53:52Ken Honda?

  Yes.

• 53:53Lewis Howes?

  So, you know, how should people be thinking about this? So they have enough safety and security. They have enough in the bank for if something goes bad in the economy. They've saved enough. But also, they're not just overspending as well. Some people who have the personality where they just spend, spend, spend. Then they go into debt.

• 54:12Ken Honda?

  Right.

• 54:12Lewis Howes?

  So how do we? Balance.

• 54:15Ken Honda?

  Yes.

• 54:15Lewis Howes?

  Money. So that we have enough for, you know, the future.

• 54:20Ken Honda?

  Yeah.

• 54:21Lewis Howes?

  And we're not in debt.

• 54:22Ken Honda?

  So that's, I'm so fascinated with a couple counseling and sometimes family counseling. You know, we're trying to have balance.

• 54:31Ken Honda?

  That's what's so beautiful about hu- humankind. You know, somehow the spender gets married with money maker.

• 54:39Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 54:41Lewis Howes?

  Someone's making all the money and someone loves to spend it all.

• 54:43Ken Honda?

  Right, and so they come in and this person is spending so much money. No, no, you're making too much money, you know. So you have no time for me. That's why I'm trying to get the stress out by spending money. So you have to have the balance. That's where Zen comes in.

• 54:58Lewis Howes?

  Interesting.

• 54:59Ken Honda?

  If you're spending too much, you have to start saving. If you're saving too much, you have to start spending. So the prescription I give to each client is different. For some people, the savers. I said, withdraw a thousand dollars and spend it for nothing in 24 hours.

• 55:20Lewis Howes?

  They probably freak out like, ah.

• 55:21Ken Honda?

  No, they are okay to the withdrawing part. And so the next few days, a week later, they came back and said, can I withdraw a thousand dollars?

• 55:32Lewis Howes?

  I didn't spend it.

• 55:33Ken Honda?

  But I spent like twenty dollars.

• 55:35Lewis Howes?

  Oh, man.

• 55:36Ken Honda?

  Because they cannot waste their money. It's against their constitution.

• 55:42Lewis Howes?

  I know people like that. So what should people be spending their money on?

• 55:46Ken Honda?

  Right.

• 55:46Lewis Howes?

  So they don't feel like I'm just blowing money and wasting it.

• 55:50Ken Honda?

  I know, so like a money maker. Money makers, they think, is this a good investment?

• 55:55Lewis Howes?

  Yes, yes.

• 55:56Ken Honda?

  So don't think about it because just enjoy the money flow. You can give it to people. You can just, you can throw it away on the floor. Because somebody's gonna pick it up and make somebody very happy. So you can be creative with money. But we are taught from a young child that childhood, that you have to take care of money well. Just, what if, what if you just throw your hundred dollar bills on the, on the street? What would your mother say?

• 56:27Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 56:28Ken Honda?

  Right? So, but for exercises, I tell people, can you throw away your money?

• 56:35Ken Honda?

  And they they they show me the expression as if I'm saying I'm gonna you're gonna die in ten minutes.

• 56:41Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 56:42Ken Honda?

  They're gonna like, you know, so I enjoy it so much.

• 56:46Lewis Howes?

  What happens with your clients when you say, okay, go spend a few hundred dollars today, or leave money out on the table for someone to pick it up, and you do these experiments? What do these individuals say afterwards, a month later, a year later, about giving their money or spending it, not all of it, but some of it, in these experiments?

• 57:05Ken Honda?

  So they realize how much attachment they had toward money. And it's in here. And by the way, my finding shows that the saver type, the people who have attachment for money, tend to have this problem physically. They get constipation.

• 57:26Lewis Howes?

  Constipated, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 57:28Ken Honda?

  So there is that. So they have a hard time letting go of money.

• 57:33Lewis Howes?

  And their waste, their food.

• 57:35Ken Honda?

  Because they're attached to it.

• 57:37Lewis Howes?

  What happens when we are attached to money?

• 57:40Ken Honda?

  I think the flow of energy gets stopped. So if you let go of money easily, the more opportunities come easily. But because you let you cannot let go of money, you cannot receive. So if you let go easily, the more to come. So those people are losing out opportunities. So say, I had a friend in my twenties. When I asked him to go out and have some fun, and he said, no, no, no, I don't want to do that because it's gonna cost something. Say, you know, fifty dollars, a hundred dollars for a party, right? But just look at what he's missing. He's missing out the opportunity of meeting new people.

• 58:24Ken Honda?

  Like, I met many great mentors by attending very expensive seminars. You know, I attended like two hundred dollar seminar. At the time, it felt like a million dollars.

• 58:35Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 58:35Ken Honda?

  But since I was the only student at the time to attend a business seminar, everybody loved me. So $200. It's so cool that you're here with all these older people and you decided to show up. Let's mentor you. Yeah, yeah, so I was like a, you know, little toy. Okay, you know, I want to just play with you. So, um, so that was a great, great investment, for, for example. So if you let go of money easily, you get so much. Uh, so, uh, why don't you think of, uh, letting go of money and also as a, uh, almost like a shopping for your memories? Shopping for memories. Yeah, because I, I didn't have to fly. I'm, I'm going around the world this time. I'm just meeting up a lot of people. It costs some money, right?

• 59:20Ken Honda?

  But with the, um, with, by spending so much money on hotels and airplane. Look what I'm having. I'm such, uh, uh, I'm having such a great time. Yes. And, uh. You have experiences, life memories. Yeah, so when I'm in a senior home, uh, some, sometime in the future. I think of having, you know, this conversation with you and meeting up a lot of great people in the world. So I, I, I have full of memories. So, um, if you just have, if you don't spend the money, you don't get all the fun memories. Right. And what happens to people when they speak bad about money? They complain about it. They live in scarcity. What happens? Yes, it's a good question.

• 1:00:04Ken Honda?

  So think of money as a person. Uh, I always ask, um, you know, I, I talk to thousands of people all the time and just ask a big audience. Uh, how many of you love money? You know, if it's a business seminar, they say, yes. And then my next question is, how many people do you think money loves you as much? And they think, hmm, I love money, but I don't know if I'm being loved by money. But the mute, uh, feelings must be mutual. Right, it's the same thing with our relationship. Even if you love her, love him so much, if you don't get the same amount of love from, from the other part, it doesn't mean anything.

• 1:00:44Lewis Howes?

  So you have to, you have to love your money and your money has to love you. But if you speak bad about money.

• 1:00:50Ken Honda?

  What would you think?

• 1:00:51Lewis Howes?

  Or you speak bad about people who have money.

• 1:00:53Ken Honda?

  Yes.

• 1:00:54Lewis Howes?

  Then why would money love you in return?

• 1:00:56Ken Honda?

  Yes, so, exactly, thank you for answering me. Yeah, so that's exact, like, exactly what I want to say. If you want to be in love with money, you have to be, you know, you have to respect your money as your best friend or your love of your life. So love on money can love you back.

• 1:01:16Lewis Howes?

  So what are the best ways that we can start respecting our money better? So that our money loves us more and wants to bring more friends?

• 1:01:24Ken Honda?

  I always ask my money where it wants to go.

• 1:01:28Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 1:01:28Ken Honda?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:29Lewis Howes?

  So what do you mean? You have like a few hundred dollars in your hand and you say, where do you want to go?

• 1:01:33Ken Honda?

  Yeah, the other day I got a big, uh,

• 1:01:35Lewis Howes?

  Check.

• 1:01:35Ken Honda?

  A big check from overseas. That the book I wrote eighteen years ago. It's about ten thousand dollars. And then, oh, oh, thank you, thank you, money. And I asked money, uh, do you want to stay with me? Or do you want to go somewhere? And the money said, I might, I hear it in imagination. Uh, the money says, I want to go to Cambodia.

• 1:01:56Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 1:01:57Ken Honda?

  To help kids.

• 1:01:58Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 1:01:58Ken Honda?

  And then I remember there is a friend of mine who is doing orphanage in Cambodia. So that ten thousand dollars is helping, um, uh, kids for fruits and electricity and the rent for whole year, like thirty six kids. So, and that ten thousand dollars, I could have used for something else, but I have already enough. So, um, by asking the money where it wants to go, it went to the right place.

• 1:02:24Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 1:02:24Ken Honda?

  To bless the kids. So. I'm so blessed with happy money. So if I start doing that, the more money comes in. So more money comes in from the world and I've written 200 books. So like book royalties come from everywhere. So almost like every few other days, I get money from somewhere.

• 1:02:44Lewis Howes?

  Amazing.

• 1:02:45Ken Honda?

  Yeah, so I ask money where I don't want to go. And then I want to take your family out for dinner. That's good. So we just, you know, go. So it's not, I'm not, I'm not saying that you should spend your money for somebody else. It could be, you know, I want to buy a car or whatever that is. So, so if you can be, if you can have some distance from money. Instead of like, this is all my money, you can be free from money.

• 1:03:13Lewis Howes?

  Because what happens to someone who has so much extra money at the end of their life and they don't spend it? What do you think about that? Because a lot of people have a lot of extra, but then they pass it down to their families or they put it in trusts and then they give it out to charities. What's your thoughts on that?

• 1:03:32Ken Honda?

  I'm just saying that they're missing out a huge thing, you know. They could have seen what your money could have done.

• 1:03:40Lewis Howes?

  The impact.

• 1:03:41Ken Honda?

  Yeah, my mentor, one of my mentors is Junki Yoshida, who is a founder of Yoshida Gourmet Sauce in Portland, Oregon. And he donated something like eight or 10 million dollar worth of state to Children's Hospital.

• 1:03:59Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 1:03:59Ken Honda?

  And he's in his 60s, so, or early 70s. So he, he's still alive, right?

• 1:04:08Lewis Howes?

  He experiences it.

• 1:04:09Ken Honda?

  Right. I mean, usually I hear when you pass out, pass away, that goes to something, right? But he donated the big, big house that their, all their kids grew up on, donated the huge mansion to the hospital. And I asked him. If I were you, I want to live as long as I, you know, I'm alive. And then when I die, or my wife dies together, that can go. And he said, I wanted to see how my, how my money, or how my, how my house is helping kids while I'm alive. Don't you think it's selfish? No, no, no, no, no.

• 1:04:49Ken Honda?

  I think you have all the rights to see how your happy money can help others.

• 1:04:55Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 1:04:56Ken Honda?

  So if you just hoard your money and then die without doing anything, you are missing out the most fun because you have such an impact. You could have an impact for other people.

• 1:05:08Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 1:05:08Ken Honda?

  And I think that's a reward for making so much money.

• 1:05:12Lewis Howes?

  Right. What is the vision for your money life for the rest of your life? Do you want to die with zero? Are you trying to give more of it away? Are you trying to make more? Are you trying to make your container bigger? What's your vision?

• 1:05:26Ken Honda?

  Yeah, two, I may surprise you, but I'm a money indifferent type.

• 1:05:31Lewis Howes?

  You're neutral.

• 1:05:32Ken Honda?

  I'm not really interested in money.

• 1:05:34Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 1:05:34Ken Honda?

  Yeah, because I'm not interested in growing my money because I have already enough. I make enough. So I'm not interested in money, even though I'm regarded as a money group, because money flows enough and goes up enough. So I don't have a goal. I don't have any attachment.

• 1:05:53Lewis Howes?

  Sure.

• 1:05:54Ken Honda?

  And as I said, even if I lose everything, my friends will take care of me.

• 1:05:58Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 1:05:58Ken Honda?

  So I don't have any thing. But for, for humankind, I have a vision. I hope in 20, 30 years, or when I, while I'm alive, I want to see human being can be free from money or money worries. That's why I'm, I'm doing my work actively in the world. Because I don't need to get something out of people. I'm just here to share.

• 1:06:24Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 1:06:25Ken Honda?

  And if you know how not to worry about money, you are going to do something else. You know, so my question to the viewers and, and friends is that if you don't worry about money, just even the slightest bit, what would you do? What is a project that you want to start? And that is something you have to go right away.

• 1:06:45Lewis Howes?

  Yes. What would you say to parents? On the three most important things they should be teaching their children.

• 1:06:53Ken Honda?

  Okay.

• 1:06:54Lewis Howes?

  As they get into, you know, after five years old, as they start learning about money and the material world, what lessons should parents be teaching their kids about money?

• 1:07:06Ken Honda?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:06Lewis Howes?

  In your opinion?

• 1:07:07Ken Honda?

  Great, thank you. So I used to, and I think I'm still teaching my child, she's 24, so she's grown up already. But the first thing I would teach is money is fun. So if your kids know that money is fun, so we used to sit on the dinner table, just say, I have this, say, $10,000 to donate, what do you want to do? You can, you know, help rescue the animals, you can help the environment, you can help the homeless people, what do you want to do? And when we give presents, what would you want to do?

• 1:07:48Ken Honda?

  So my daughter grew up thinking money can do so many wonders. So if all our kids learned money is a magical wand to make people happy, I think people are more excited about getting the money. So they have no negative ideas about money. And imagine what if all the child have never been scolded for wasting their money? I think we will be so stress free. Because a lot of worries come from the need for survival, and it's attached to money.

• 1:08:24Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 1:08:25Ken Honda?

  So once we are free of money stress, I think our life would be so different.

• 1:08:32Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 1:08:32Ken Honda?

  Yeah, so if you can teach money is a fun thing, that is a great starter.

• 1:08:38Lewis Howes?

  Okay, number one, teach them money is fun.

• 1:08:40Ken Honda?

  Right. And also, I want you to teach your kids about money and emotions.

• 1:08:48Ken Honda?

  Because those things are not taught at school.

• 1:08:53Ken Honda?

  Because even though your child is grown up with a positive attitudes, your friends may not. So they're trying to compete with you of how much they have allowances, or like, "This is my new iPhone something."

• 1:09:09Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 1:09:09Ken Honda?

  Or like, "This is my sneakers," or whatever that is. And then, people try to manipulate you with emotions. So if you start teaching, you feel bad about money, you feel ashamed of money, you feel guilty about money, we all feel some emotions.

• 1:09:27Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 1:09:27Ken Honda?

  So if you start teaching emotions about, around money, I think your kids will be emotionally free from money stress.

• 1:09:36Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, they won't be comparing themselves to others who have more.

• 1:09:39Ken Honda?

  Right.

• 1:09:39Lewis Howes?

  They'll feel good about themselves.

• 1:09:41Ken Honda?

  Right.

• 1:09:41Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:42Ken Honda?

  And I think related to that, I probably share, I once shared with my daughter, you know, I'm not the wealthiest man in the world. I have enough money, but I don't call myself, you know, the tycoon or whatever that is. I don't have a private jet, right? So, but I'm financially independent and free. So I teach my daughter that, about money emotions. And at the same time, I have a lot of emotions too. Sometimes I feel guilty, sometimes I feel shame.

• 1:10:18Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 1:10:19Ken Honda?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:19Lewis Howes?

  Around money or around?

• 1:10:20Ken Honda?

  Yes, around money or everything.

• 1:10:22Lewis Howes?

  Why do you feel guilty or ashamed?

• 1:10:24Ken Honda?

  Like say, all my students have less money than I do. So sometimes I used to feel, sometimes I feel I'm taking advantage of other people, right? I don't need to get money. So sometimes I do seminar for free.

• 1:10:38Lewis Howes?

  Sure.

• 1:10:39Ken Honda?

  But anyway, so I feel shame, guilty, guilt around money.

• 1:10:44Ken Honda?

  So I share that with my daughter.

• 1:10:47Lewis Howes?

  How do we eliminate those negative emotions? Like, how do you get rid of those?

• 1:10:53Ken Honda?

  You cannot.

• 1:10:53Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 1:10:54Ken Honda?

  Because it's

• 1:10:54Lewis Howes?

  It's human nature.

• 1:10:55Ken Honda?

  As long as you live. Say you're very happy. But if the person right next to you is crying, you know.

• 1:11:03Lewis Howes?

  You feel bad.

• 1:11:04Ken Honda?

  You feel sorry for her. So sometimes you may feel about guilt for being happy. So sometimes I'm, I feel guilty. When my friends, author friends saying, Ken, my books are not selling well. I'm so sorry.

• 1:11:21Lewis Howes?

  Yours are selling so well.

• 1:11:22Ken Honda?

  Yeah, yeah, so I feel guilty, I feel ashamed, so many things. So I'm teaching my daughter that this is very natural.

• 1:11:30Lewis Howes?

  Gotcha.

• 1:11:31Ken Honda?

  But the bad things happen if we try to manipulate our feelings by compensating, working hard, by working hard, by saving what. So I'm just joking. If I could become a Prime Minister of Japan, I'm gonna print every note of banking note said, making too much, worrying too much, and spending too much can be hazardous to your health.

• 1:11:55Lewis Howes?

  I like that, that's good. Okay, so the first thing to teach your kids is money, money is fun. You can make people happy with it. The second thing is to learn about money and emotions.

• 1:12:05Ken Honda?

  Yes.

• 1:12:06Lewis Howes?

  That these things are natural to have emotions around it. The third thing the parents should teach kids about money?

• 1:12:11Ken Honda?

  More you give, more you receive. So you don't have to work so hard to get the money. But if you want to get more, you have to give more. And to do that, you have to be loved by people around you. You have to have many friends. So to do that, you have to have a good relationship, relationships with people. So relationships are everything.

• 1:12:37Ken Honda?

  In North America, it's very individualistic. So you eat your own food, you eat your own thing. And since you're five, you're so used to taking examinations. You never had examinations with three of your best buddies and coming up with the right answer.

• 1:12:53Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:54Ken Honda?

  I think we should, but it's so individualistic. So you cannot talk with your friends while you're having an examination.

• 1:13:00Lewis Howes?

  You can't collaborate.

• 1:13:01Ken Honda?

  Right? Uh, uh, hey, Bill, what do you think? Number three. Okay, thank you. You know, it doesn't work that way. And then it's up to your twenties and thirties. So, uh, especially in North America, everybody seems isolated because you cannot talk about your sexual problems or financial problems, your emotional problems with your best friends. So you hang out and go to big, go, you know, for a glass of beer and just watch the, the sports. But you have, you're missing out the most quality moments, which is share your problems. Because your best friend may have the exact problem.

• 1:13:37Lewis Howes?

  You might have a deeper connection.

• 1:13:38Ken Honda?

  Right. So you have to really have, um, this mentality of being supported by friends. So do more and receive more. So, uh, by hearing that, you know, you don't have to worry about taking advantage of other people. Uh, something is not fair. The rich is doing something bad. It's nothing, uh, it's not over your problem. You focus on what you give and what you share and then you receive. So as long as you know the, a rule, you can focus on what you give.

• 1:14:11Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 1:14:11Ken Honda?

  And so, uh, attached to that, I teach my kids, uh, to follow your heart. So just follow your heart. That is the guidance.

• 1:14:21Lewis Howes?

  I love those, those points for parents to teach kids. Speaking of parents, uh, and moving to a related topic, how does sex and money play together?

• 1:14:35Ken Honda?

  I cannot, uh, I cannot stop talking, you know, you need five more hours.

• 1:14:42Ken Honda?

  And I think American people are especially interested in this.

• 1:14:45Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:46Ken Honda?

  Uh, money and, uh, sex have something in common. It pulls out the best and the worst of you. And it, it pulls out the best emotions and the worst emotions. Because it, it, they both, they can show, uh, you, you both heaven and hell.

• 1:15:05Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 1:15:06Ken Honda?

  Because a lot of crimes happen because of these two. So with your financial problem and sexual problem, you get the worst out of you. You hate yourself by being such a jerk or a bad girl. So it pulls out a lot of emotions. So you have to be careful because you never know what you get. And because it's so suppressed deep with, deep within. But in other words, money and sex can be a great healer because it can transform your life. You say healer? Healer. Healer. Yes, it can transform your life. That's why I call myself money healer. If you heal money, you can heal so many things.

• 1:15:51Ken Honda?

  Wow. And money and sex are doing the similar things. Really? Because it's so attached to your self-worth. Like say, how many people are confident about their sexual situation and financial situation? Not many. Maybe it's one or the other, but it's usually not both. Right? And the people who are bragging about their happiness, they may be over

• 1:16:17Ken Honda?

  the situation. And so inside, we feel so vulnerable. We don't know how much satisfaction we're giving to our partner or we're getting from money. So we feel so vulnerable and shameful and guilty around sexual issues and money issues. So it gives you such a great opportunity to look at yourself and who you are. So especially around those two topics. You feel like you want to prove something, that you're good. And making money and at sex. Right. And then at the same time, we fail the test. Man, yeah. By looking at a bank statement, we fail the test.

• 1:16:59Ken Honda?

  By looking at a partner's face, just a little tiny expression.

• 1:17:06Ken Honda?

  I'm disappointed, you know, or I see or he's disappointed. So there is a lot of discouragement issues and depression.

• 1:17:16Lewis Howes?

  Should we try to heal the sexual side first? Or heal the money side first?

• 1:17:23Ken Honda?

  Whichever you wish. So some people wanna heal the sexual thing first. And some people, the other people feel, you know, they can handle money. For North American people, sexual issues are maybe a little easier. Because financial part, I've seen so many people just freeze, you know, when they're thinking of money. So maybe for North Americans, money could be a little more tough.

• 1:17:49Lewis Howes?

  So you'd say, if you can heal money, the topic of money within yourself, that should support you in healing other areas of your life as well?

• 1:17:58Ken Honda?

  Of course, of course. Because you don't have to prove yourself. So how much money you have or how much money you make has nothing to do with your self-worth. So I'm just a happy, I learned new English expression. I'm such a happy camper.

• 1:18:16Lewis Howes?

  Happy camper, yes.

• 1:18:17Ken Honda?

  So it doesn't have anything with my financial relation. So if you can find your happiness on your own, you can really focus on what you wanna do. Because you don't really care what other people think or how successful I need to be. So if you have that mentality, you can enjoy every moment. Like in this interview, I'm just having a great conversation with you, Louis, right? And I don't have to prove my points. I don't have to sell more books. I'm just hoping that our conversation can open doors for people, for their peace of mind.

• 1:18:57Lewis Howes?

  Absolutely. It's funny you're saying this about healing money. Because I've had so many conversations this year from different experts, from therapists, from money experts, from athletes, from just people in life.

• 1:19:13Lewis Howes?

  And the common theme about how to live a better life, your health, relationships, money, business, your sports, and how to be more fulfilled is the first step is to heal something. Heal the past, heal your relationship, heal your relationship with money. It starts with healing first. And when we can create a healing environment, we have more peace, talking about, you know, making peace with your money. Healing first. And from a peaceful environment, we're able to flourish, isn't that right?

• 1:19:47Ken Honda?

  Yes.

• 1:19:47Lewis Howes?

  We're able to grow, we're able to expand, to see the best of ourselves actualized.

• 1:19:53Ken Honda?

  Yes, you said it so beautifully. And it's not just one thing, one time only. It's an ongoing process.

• 1:20:01Lewis Howes?

  Journey.

• 1:20:01Ken Honda?

  Yeah, so I don't think I'm 100% healed. I sometimes cry over money. Sometimes I cry over certain things that happen in my family. I have still a lot of shame and guilt, and a lot of excitement and happiness too, because I'm alive.

• 1:20:16Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 1:20:16Ken Honda?

  Yeah, so I'm not perfect at all. So people are surprised, you're a money guru, and how can you feel guilty? But I do, and to be honest, that's where I am.

• 1:20:26Lewis Howes?

  What's the biggest challenge you have yet to overcome in your life? The biggest struggle, challenge?

• 1:20:34Ken Honda?

  For me, it's a false humbleness. You know, I'm so happy, so I feel like I don't have to do anything anymore. So I'm, I have a nice retreat center up in the mountains.

• 1:20:47Lewis Howes?

  In Japan?

• 1:20:47Ken Honda?

  Yes, so I'm happy to grow my own veggies, you know, just in my garden. And it's so beautiful flowers, I'm missing them so much while I'm traveling. So I can be so happy with where I am, but I know I can be contributing more too.

• 1:21:03Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 1:21:04Ken Honda?

  So as much as I know I can be contributing so much, but I want to make sure that I'm happy as well. So my false humbleness tends to lead me into small happiness. So I'm sort of going back and forth.

• 1:21:21Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 1:21:21Ken Honda?

  But coming here and having chat with you makes me so excited about the potential of what I can do. So I appreciate you so much for bringing. Pulling out the best from me.

• 1:21:34Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, of course.

• 1:21:35Ken Honda?

  So that is my next challenge.

• 1:21:38Lewis Howes?

  I love it. I'm gonna take you up on it, Ken, when I come visit Japan for my first time. I have to say hi to you and to show me around a little bit. But I am so excited about the mission you're on. To teach people about how to heal their conversations around money. And giving us, you know, it's a scary thing for a lot of people. They feel like it's extremely complicated.

• 1:22:01Ken Honda?

  Yes.

• 1:22:02Lewis Howes?

  But you simplify it. You simplify it in this book, Happy Money, which I want everyone to get. Make sure you guys get a few copies for your friends. This is really powerful. You have a lot of great content at kenhonda.com and on your social media. You've got a course as well that people can check out around and find a peace with their money. And that's at kenhonda.com, I believe that as well. So I'm just so grateful for you still wanting to live a life of service and teaching us these things. And not just sitting in the garden all day long. But I know you need that time as well.

• 1:22:35Ken Honda?

  Yeah, but I probably feel very bored.

• 1:22:37Lewis Howes?

  Exactly.

• 1:22:38Ken Honda?

  I wish I could see Lewis.

• 1:22:41Lewis Howes?

  Exactly. I asked you this question before, but I'm curious if something else has come up for you. So this is the last couple of questions.

• 1:22:49Ken Honda?

  Yes.

• 1:22:49Lewis Howes?

  This is called the three truths. So imagine it's your last day on earth, many years away. You get to live as long as you want to live, but you have to call it your last day. You write another thousand books, you do all the things you want to do.

• 1:23:04Ken Honda?

  Right.

• 1:23:05Lewis Howes?

  But for whatever reason, all of your work, your books have to go with you. So we don't have access to this conversation, this book anymore. Hypothetical. But you get to leave behind three lessons to the world, three truths that you would share. This is all we have to remember you by. What would be those three truths?

• 1:23:25Ken Honda?

  You're asking so many beautiful questions and I'm overwhelmed by that. So I think the first thing I would say is life can be fun.

• 1:23:35Ken Honda?

  That is probably one thing I would say.

• 1:23:40Ken Honda?

  And the second thing I would say is when you wonder, jump is what I'd say.

• 1:23:50Ken Honda?

  And the third one would be enjoy every moment. Because you know, something bad, something good, but both can be fun later on. So when you feel a call, just do it. And if you messes up, it's okay. It could be a fond memory in the future. So it's nothing to do with money, you know, just follow your heart.

• 1:24:14Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, it's beautiful. Ken, I want to acknowledge you again. Thank you for the work that you do. I want people to get the book, Happy Money. Thank you for your contribution, the way you consistently show up for the world, for your communities, the way you've shown up on this episode and for the School of Greatness community. So I acknowledge you for

• 1:24:33Ken Honda?

  Thank you.

• 1:24:33Lewis Howes?

  your talents and starting to write the, use these talents in your 30s to contribute to so many of us. Final question, what is your definition of greatness?

• 1:24:44Ken Honda?

  Greatness is the state that you are who you are. And I think if you're, I learned the expression in English, if you're comfortable with your own skin.

• 1:24:58Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 1:24:59Ken Honda?

  I think that is what greatness is. So if you are truly who you are, on your own style, I think that's greatness.

• 1:25:08Lewis Howes?

  Ken, thank you so much. I appreciate you.

• 1:25:10Ken Honda?

  Thank you so much.

• 1:25:12Lewis Howes?

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