Kobe Bryant’s LAST GREAT INTERVIEW On MAMBA MENTALITY & What REALLY Matters In Life

Today we pay tribute to the late, great Kobe Bryant, a legendary figure whose impact transcended the basketball court. Lewis takes us on a heartfelt journey through Kobe's remarkable life, celebrating not just his athletic achievements but his extraordinary character. Known for his 'Mamba Mentality,' Kobe inspired millions with his dedication, resilience, and relentless pursuit of greatness. In this episode you will learnThe essence of Kobe Bryant's Mamba Mentality and how it can be applied to your own life. Strategies for transforming failures into stepping stones for success. The importance of dedication and daily effort in achieving greatness. How to stay focused on your goals, regardless of obstacles. Insights into Kobe's journey beyond basketball, and the legacy he left behind. For more information go to www.lewishowes.com/1566For more Greatness text PODCAST to +1 (614) 350-3960More SOG episodes we think you’ll love:Inky Johnson – https://link.chtbl.com/1483-podStephen A. Smith – https://link.chtbl.com/1380-podMikaela Shiffrin – https://link.chtbl.com/1470-pod Get more from Lewis! Get my New York Times Bestselling book, Make Money Easy! Get The Greatness Mindset audiobook on SpotifyText Lewis AIYouTubeInstagramWebsiteTiktokFacebookX

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• 0:00Kobe Bryant?

  I think that's what greatness is or should be. It's not something that lives and dies with one person. It's how can you inspire a person to then in turn inspire another person that then inspires another person? And that's how you create something that I think lasts forever.

• 0:14Lewis Howes?

  Welcome to the School of Greatness. My name is Lewis Howes, a former pro athlete turned lifestyle entrepreneur. And each week we bring you an inspiring person or message to help you discover how to unlock your inner greatness. Thanks for spending some time with me today. Now let the class begin.

• 0:38Lewis Howes?

  I'm so excited for you to experience one of Kobe Bryant's last interviews. For me, it was so inspiring to connect with him and hear about his stories about love, life, basketball, relationships, and what it means to leave a legacy and his definition of greatness. Also, we have five minutes of exclusive bonus footage that has never been released that I'm going to share with you at the end of this interview and also share with you my whole experience of meeting Kobe and the lessons I learned. I'm so excited for you to watch this interview and to see the bonus content at the end.

• 1:19Lewis Howes?

  It's content that we found recently that we are now releasing with this interview. Again, stay tuned to the end and I hope you enjoy one of the great interviews of Kobe Bryant. Welcome everyone to the School of Greatness Podcast. We have the incredible legendary Kobe Bryant, my man. It's good to meet you.

• 1:38Kobe Bryant?

  Pleasure, man.

• 1:39Lewis Howes?

  Congrats on everything. You're an icon, a legend, and the thing I love the most about you is that you really care about other human beings. Your heart is so big, even though you've been known for this focused mentality that is just almost psycho in some ways, but you care deeply about human beings. And I think that's why so many people love you as well. So I want to acknowledge you for your kindness and generosity towards humanity. My first question for you is I'm curious about

• 2:07Lewis Howes?

  Who was your greatest teacher growing up? Because you had an interesting childhood, being in Italy for a while, coming back to Philadelphia, I think it was.

• 2:15Kobe Bryant?

  Yeah.

• 2:16Lewis Howes?

  Who was the greatest teacher for you in those early days?

• 2:19Kobe Bryant?

  It was funny, man, I had a lot of them. My parents were great. Growing up, they instilled in me the importance of imagination, of curiosity. Understanding that, okay, if you want to accomplish something, I'm not just going to sit here and say, yes, you can do whatever you want. Yes, you can, but you have to also put in the work to get there, right? So they taught me that at a really early age, man. And when you grow up as a kid, thinking that the world is your oyster, and all things are possible if you put in the work to do it, you grow up having that fundamental belief.

• 2:52Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. Who was more influential for you, your father or mother?

• 2:56Kobe Bryant?

  Both were influential at different points.

• 2:58Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 2:59Kobe Bryant?

  Right? My mom was there on a daily basis. My father was really influential at a really critical time where I had a summer where I played basketball when I was like 10 or 11 years old, in a very prominent summer league in Philadelphia called the Sunny Hill League. Where my father played, my uncle played, and they were like all-time greats and some stuff. Wilt Chamberlain played in the league, you know, Earl the Premier Row played in the league. And here I come, playing, and I don't score one point the entire summer.

• 3:28Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 3:29Kobe Bryant?

  Not one.

• 3:30Lewis Howes?

  How old were you?

• 3:31Kobe Bryant?

  11, 10, 11.

• 3:32Lewis Howes?

  And you're playing against other 10, 11-year-olds, or? And you didn't score once?

• 3:35Kobe Bryant?

  Not one.

• 3:35Lewis Howes?

  Were you in the game?

• 3:36Kobe Bryant?

  I was in the game.

• 3:37Lewis Howes?

  How'd you not score?

• 3:38Kobe Bryant?

  Because I was terrible.

• 3:39Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 3:40Kobe Bryant?

  Yeah.

• 3:41Lewis Howes?

  At 10, 11 years old, you were that terrible?

• 3:43Kobe Bryant?

  Awful. I mean, and I had these big kneepads on because I was growing really fast. I have socks all the way up here, and I had like the pod top.

• 3:50Lewis Howes?

  Skinny, yeah.

• 3:51Kobe Bryant?

  Like skinny as hell. And I scored not a free throw, not a, nothing, not a lucky shot, not a breakaway layup, zero points. And I remember crying about it and being upset about it, and my father just gave me a hug and said, listen, whether you score zero or score 60, I'm going to love you no matter what.

• 4:08Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 4:08Kobe Bryant?

  Now, that is the most important thing that you can say to a child. Because from there, I was like, okay. It gives me all the confidence in the world to fail. I have the security there. But to hell with that. I'm scoring 60. Let's go.

• 4:22Lewis Howes?

  Right, right.

• 4:23Kobe Bryant?

  Right, and from there, I just went to work. And I just, I stayed with it. I kept practicing, kept practicing, kept practicing.

• 4:28Lewis Howes?

  Is that when you think the mentality of hard work started to come in for you at that age? When you failed so miserably, I guess, that summer?

• 4:35Kobe Bryant?

  I think that's when the idea of understanding a long-term view became important. Because I wasn't going to catch these kids in a week. I wasn't going to catch them in a year. Right, so that's when I sat down and said, okay, this is going to take some thought. All right, what do I want to work on first? All right, shooting, all right, let's knock this out. Let's focus on this half a year, six months, do nothing but shoot. All right, after that, all right, creating your own shot, and then you focus. So you start, I started creating a menu of things. When I came back the next summer, I was a little bit better. Right?

• 5:04Lewis Howes?

  And then you mean like, I've got my jump shot from 15, I've got my fade away.

• 5:08Kobe Bryant?

  Yeah, I got my jump shot from 15, I got my three-point shot, like, just open shots. Not miss open shots, right? Be able to shoot it with speed, because those kids are so much more athletic.

• 5:16Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 5:17Kobe Bryant?

  And then the next summer I came back, I was a little better. The summer came back, the next summer, I was a little better. I scored. You know, it wasn't much, but I scored.

• 5:24Lewis Howes?

  And this is 12, 13?

• 5:25Kobe Bryant?

  12, 13. And then 14 came around, back half of 13, 14 years old. And then I was just killing everyone. And it happened in two years. And I wasn't expecting it to happen in two years, but it did. Because what I had to do was work on the basics and the fundamentals. Well, they relied on their athleticism and their natural ability. And because I stick to the fundamentals, it just caught up to them. And then my body, you know, my knees stopped hurting, I grew into my frame, and...

• 5:53Lewis Howes?

  And then your athleticism, once you have the fundamentals,

• 5:55Kobe Bryant?

  Exactly.

• 5:56Lewis Howes?

  the hard work, the mindset, and you tack on the athleticism, it's game over.

• 6:00Kobe Bryant?

  Then it was game over.

• 6:01Lewis Howes?

  Wow. So from 13, you're...

• 6:05Lewis Howes?

  Good, average still?

• 6:06Kobe Bryant?

  I was good, I was good. And then about, about like the end of my, like right when I was turning 14, I became the best player in the state.

• 6:13Lewis Howes?

  At 14?

• 6:14Kobe Bryant?

  At 14.

• 6:14Lewis Howes?

  So from 12 to 14, you went from scoring zero to being the best in the state of all ages?

• 6:19Kobe Bryant?

  Yep. But it's, it's simple. Like if you do the math on this, right? Like if you, if you're thinking about how often kids are playing. Right? I tell this to my, to my daughter and my daughter's team as well that I coach. It's a simple thing of math. If you want to be a great player, if you play every single day, two, three hours, every single day, over the course of a year, how much better are you getting? Most kids will play maybe, you know, an hour and a half, two days a week.

• 6:45Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 6:46Kobe Bryant?

  Do the math on that. It's not, it's not going, it's not going to get it done. It's not going to get it done. Right? So if you're obsessively, obsessively training, two, three hours every single day, over a year, over two years.

• 6:58Lewis Howes?

  You're going to accelerate.

• 6:59Kobe Bryant?

  You make quantum leaps, man.

• 7:00Lewis Howes?

  Just doing a summer camp for two weeks, you, you see a difference. I remember playing basketball.

• 7:05Kobe Bryant?

  You see it.

• 7:06Lewis Howes?

  You get a lot better. You come back more confident, playing on the playground with guys who used to beat you.

• 7:10Kobe Bryant?

  Yeah. And I, and I got, I tell the parents on my team, I said, it's, it's when I say, your kids are going to become great basketball players. And they're like, really? Like, yeah, it's not. There's no.

• 7:18Lewis Howes?

  It's math.

• 7:19Kobe Bryant?

  It's it.

• 7:20Lewis Howes?

  Show up every single day.

• 7:21Kobe Bryant?

  Show up every single day, do the work.

• 7:22Lewis Howes?

  But you have this Mamba mentality. Your book's coming out soon. And how did you develop this? There's a, there's a beautiful story that I love from Jay Williams. I don't know if you remember Jay Williams. Where he did an interview a while back and he talked about how, when he played you, I think the first time, or one of the first times he played against you, he was, he was like, I'm going to show up so early to the court to warm up and practice like before anyone. And he shows up at the court, I don't know if it was in LA or where I was, and you were the only one there, already shooting free throws, already doing your fundamentals. And he goes, I'm going to stay here until Kobe leaves. And then he was like, gosh, an hour and a half, two hours later.

• 7:58Kobe Bryant?

  I gotta go.

• 7:58Lewis Howes?

  I'm tired. And Kobe's still shooting free throws, scoring, like just going over the fundamentals. And he goes, and then we played that game and you were lights out. And he came up to you afterwards and said like, dude, why were you in there for so long? And how'd you do it? And he said, this is what he said, you said, said, I knew you were watching and I wanted to show you I was willing to outwork you.

• 8:17Kobe Bryant?

  Right.

• 8:18Lewis Howes?

  Something along those lines.

• 8:19Kobe Bryant?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 8:20Lewis Howes?

  I don't know if you remember this.

• 8:20Kobe Bryant?

  I remember that.

• 8:21Lewis Howes?

  You remember, yeah. And I thought that was so powerful that you have this mindset, but how did you develop that? I don't, I don't know if that's what you call the Mamba mindset, but how did you develop that? And when did it start?

• 8:33Kobe Bryant?

  It started in, in middle school and high school. Because a lot of the kids that I was playing against were inner-city kids. And so they're looking at me as if, okay, this kid's soft. Right? He's from the suburbs of Philadelphia. His father played in the NBA, played professionally.

• 8:48Lewis Howes?

  He's got it easy.

• 8:49Kobe Bryant?

  Got it easy, born on second, you know, all this other stuff, right? And so it felt like they could try to be physical or try to intimidate me and do all this other stuff, which they couldn't, right? But now I'm saying, okay, well, you're trying to attack me. How am I going to attack you? How can I mentally figure out ways to break you down? How can I show you that, no, I have the edge, right? And so that's when it first started for me, is figuring out how to get the upper hand on an opponent that way.

• 9:15Lewis Howes?

  And what would you do to mentally break people down then?

• 9:18Kobe Bryant?

  Well, I mean, you know, like, we used to have an All-American camp that I used to go to. And, you know, at the time, I first showed I was a sophomore. And one of the things I would do is, everybody would be at the cafeteria, we're, you know, eating and doing all this other stuff. I'd just go back to the gym.

• 9:35Lewis Howes?

  They'd be resting.

• 9:36Kobe Bryant?

  And they'd see me leave, right? But now you're in a tough position, because you're like, okay, I want to be like, I'm following the kid to go work out. But I know he's working, he's up early, and he's doing all this other stuff. And so that was my way of showing them, yeah, I may be from the suburbs, but you're not going to outwork me.

• 9:54Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 9:55Kobe Bryant?

  And I'm mentally going to be much tougher.

• 9:57Lewis Howes?

  Did someone teach you that? Was that just a thing that you decided, like, I'm going to get in people's minds?

• 10:02Kobe Bryant?

  I think it's just, it's just figuring out ways to, to, to be better and to win the game. And it started as a defense mechanism, because, you know, they were the ones talking trash to me. And, you know, kid from Italy, blah, blah, blah, and all this other stuff. It was like, okay, I gotta, I can't let them, I gotta defend myself here, right? And then it became, okay, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm pretty witty. I can say some pretty witty things.

• 10:25Lewis Howes?

  And in Italian.

• 10:27Kobe Bryant?

  And in Italian, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 10:29Lewis Howes?

  It's interesting, you know, I never, I never was physically gifted to an extreme level. I was always really good, but I was never like the fastest or biggest or strongest. But I remember my edge was, I'm not going to go party and I'm not going to drink alcohol.

• 10:42Kobe Bryant?

  Right.

• 10:42Lewis Howes?

  So I've never been drunk still, because I was like, I need every edge. When guys were out partying late at night who were better than me and drinking and showing up hungover, I was like, I'm going to be more focused and have a clearer vision. And but I wasn't waking up at 4 a.m. like you so.

• 10:58Kobe Bryant?

  Well, that's that's interesting because like when I when I played, one of the things I had to learn is how to get the best out of my teammates.

• 11:06Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 11:07Kobe Bryant?

  And most people think it's a simple thing, you know, passing the ball, you know, but that's not how you make guys better. You have to really affect their behavior.

• 11:14Lewis Howes?

  How do you do that?

• 11:15Kobe Bryant?

  So, you know, like, I would tell guys, you know, we got it back to backs, you know, I don't care if we're in Miami, I don't care if we're in a great city of Chicago, we can't go out, we got to get rest.

• 11:25Lewis Howes?

  Back to back games.

• 11:26Kobe Bryant?

  Back to back games, right, Monday, Tuesday, you play Monday and play again Tuesday. Guys aren't going to listen, right?

• 11:31Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 11:32Kobe Bryant?

  So, a few times, say, all right, we'll all go out. We'll go out together.

• 11:36Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 11:37Kobe Bryant?

  I'm I'll drink with you, right? But the next morning, I'm banging on your door at 5:00 in the morning.

• 11:43Kobe Bryant?

  Let's go.

• 11:44Lewis Howes?

  They're not getting.

• 11:45Kobe Bryant?

  Where are we going? I hung out with you, now you come hang out with me. This is what we do, all right, let's go. And we're at the gym, we're working out, right? We hit the bus, we go to practice, we play that night.

• 11:55Lewis Howes?

  And they're dead.

• 11:56Kobe Bryant?

  And they're dead. And they're like, lesson learned.

• 11:58Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 11:58Kobe Bryant?

  Lesson learned.

• 11:59Lewis Howes?

  So you take them out once.

• 12:00Kobe Bryant?

  Listen, if you're going to do that, do that, but don't let that compromise what we're here to do.

• 12:05Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 12:05Kobe Bryant?

  This is why we're here. This is why you're here in the first place.

• 12:08Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 12:08Kobe Bryant?

  Right?

• 12:09Lewis Howes?

  And if we're going to win a championship, we have to have that championship mentality and work ethic.

• 12:13Kobe Bryant?

  That's it. So you got to show them, no, Kobe can do that and still has the energy to get up and do this, so either I got to meet that same energy or I got to keep my butt in my room.

• 12:19Lewis Howes?

  Go to bed early, yeah. Wow. What are some other things you did to rise the level of the your teammates? What are some other ways that you can? And what do you think people can do in general with the business team or any sports team?

• 12:31Kobe Bryant?

  I think you have to you have to listen and you have to pay attention to to what your colleagues or teammates are saying. And what are certain things that drive them, certain things that motivate them, that trigger them?

• 12:44Kobe Bryant?

  And one of my favorite ones, Pal hates it every time I tell this story, he hates it. But we we lost to the Celtics in '08. And it was a physical series. I mean, they beat the crap out of us.

• 12:53Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 12:54Kobe Bryant?

  And so we go into the Olympic year, that year, we wound up playing Spain for the gold medal match. And we beat them.

• 13:00Lewis Howes?

  Uh huh.

• 13:01Kobe Bryant?

  And so now we come back to start training camp. And Powell shows up, first day of training camp. I had my gold medal hanging in his locker.

• 13:08Lewis Howes?

  Oh, no.

• 13:10Kobe Bryant?

  And he, I mean, like, the one thing that he truly, truly loves is this country.

• 13:14Lewis Howes?

  Of course.

• 13:15Kobe Bryant?

  That is like, everything to him. So it just drove him crazy. I said, Powell, listen. He said, you're an a**. He said, listen, Powell, you lost to the Celtics. You lost to us in the gold medal match. Let's not make this three in a row this year.

• 13:30Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 13:32Kobe Bryant?

  Let's win this thing. And that was, that was it for him.

• 13:35Lewis Howes?

  And he probably stepped up at a whole other level.

• 13:37Kobe Bryant?

  Well, he, you know, Powell was a phenomenon to begin with. And then for him was just stepping up to a level of physicality.

• 13:44Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 13:44Kobe Bryant?

  That we needed him to get to, which he did, and we went on to win back to back championships.

• 13:49Lewis Howes?

  My man.

• 13:49Kobe Bryant?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 13:50Lewis Howes?

  How important is understanding human psychology and human behavior to work with a team? As opposed to just relying on your gifts and talents?

• 13:58Kobe Bryant?

  It's, uh, it's probably the most important thing. You know, when you're in this culture in our society, you can do some phenomenal things individually. Uh, but they'll never reach their full potential unless you do them collectively. And you have to figure out how to do that. And, you know, Phil Jackson was great at that. Phil, uh, you know, he wouldn't just coach the team or coach the game. But he'd read everything about every single player.

• 14:22Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 14:23Kobe Bryant?

  Learn about your history, how you grew up, um, how you were raised, where were you raised, you know? He'll read every interview and he'll learn about you. And gives him a better understanding of what's motivating you. Uh, what your insecurities are, right? And then it just helps him communicate with you better. Or even push a button here if he needs to.

• 14:46Lewis Howes?

  When did you learn that it was important to understand who your teammates are, what their likes or dislikes are? Was that in high school for you or more?

• 14:54Kobe Bryant?

  No, it was, uh, I learned it from Phil. There, there was a stretch, um, in oh, three, uh, where Shaq was out with an injury. And Phil called me up to his office and said, okay, we need you to really turn on the afterburners and start scoring the ball if you have to win. So. I did and I wound up scoring, I think it was nine straight games with 40 plus points.

• 15:15Lewis Howes?

  Nine straight?

• 15:15Kobe Bryant?

  Nine straight games. And then Shaq comes back, second to last game of that. And then Phil calls me up to his office and says, Kobe, okay, I need you to dial it back. I'm like, why? Like, we're winning. I don't understand. It's because our goal is to win a championship. And we can get through the Western Conference with you playing this way. But in the East, you know, we can dominate them inside with Shaq in the post. But if you continue to do this, we'll lose Shaq. We'll lose him.

• 15:46Lewis Howes?

  His motivation, his excitement.

• 15:47Kobe Bryant?

  What triggers him, right? So I need you to pull back so we can pull Shaq forward for June.

• 15:54Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 15:54Kobe Bryant?

  And I just looked at him like, this is one smart dude, man.

• 15:59Lewis Howes?

  Wow, that's really smart.

• 16:00Kobe Bryant?

  Yeah, that's one smart dude, man. So I pulled it back.

• 16:03Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 16:03Kobe Bryant?

  Yeah.

• 16:05Lewis Howes?

  What do you think has been the greatest challenge you've had since leaving the game?

• 16:10Kobe Bryant?

  The greatest challenge? I think it's, you know.

• 16:18Lewis Howes?

  I mean, you won an Oscar, you're launching podcasts and shows and you got a book coming out.

• 16:24Kobe Bryant?

  Yeah, but it's different though. Like, you know, we were just talking about it here in the office the other day. You know, when you play the game, you hit a game-winning shot, you miss a shot, the reaction's there. You can see how people are responding to it, right? You can feel it.

• 16:42Lewis Howes?

  The energy is like.

• 16:43Kobe Bryant?

  The energy is there. What I do now, you don't. Like, I don't see how people are affected by your basketball or, you know, creating the punies and you put it out there. Like, I wish I could see a car ride of a family the first time their daughter hears Lily's Lemonade and what she's doing, you know, she's singing along to it. That's not there, right? So that's the challenge. That's the one thing that I miss is being able to feed off of the energy.

• 17:08Lewis Howes?

  The feedback, the instant feedback that you get from missing or scoring a shot, winning or losing a game. It's like, either way, you're getting a result, right?

• 17:15Kobe Bryant?

  Yes, yes, that's the one thing. And when I went to, because I spend a lot of time with mentors as well up at Pixar and Disney Studios. They've been absolutely wonderful, animation, Disney Animation. And I've talked to them about Frozen and Moana and how our kids love them. And they're always like, oh, that's. That's awesome and they want to hear because they don't ever get a chance to truly see it like

• 17:35Lewis Howes?

  Not sit in the movie theater like?

• 17:36Kobe Bryant?

  No, no and they don't have time to go to Disneyland and walk around the park and see how many families are enjoying the content that they've created because they're busy making the next

• 17:44Lewis Howes?

  Creating.

• 17:45Kobe Bryant?

  Yes, yes, so that that's the one thing.

• 17:48Lewis Howes?

  What do you think the biggest challenge is for most athletes after they retire?

• 17:53Kobe Bryant?

  I think it's the fear of starting anew and that was certainly present for me as well.

• 17:58Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 17:58Kobe Bryant?

  Yeah.

• 17:59Lewis Howes?

  Like an identity you mean or?

• 18:00Kobe Bryant?

  Well, it's starting from scratch, right? Because when you when you play for 20 years, I played for 20 years, you reach a certain level and like, okay, wait a minute, I have to start again at the base of a mountain and try to climb the top of this mountain. First of all, what mountain am I climbing? I don't even know, like what the hell am I going to be doing? It's very, it's very scary.

• 18:20Lewis Howes?

  Even for you?

• 18:21Kobe Bryant?

  Oh, absolutely, absolutely. And the thing that helped me actually was hurting my Achilles. Because that forced me to sit there and say, okay, the day could be today that your career is over.

• 18:34Lewis Howes?

  At any time when you were playing, you mean, yeah?

• 18:36Kobe Bryant?

  Now what do you do? You have these ideas about doing something with your life after basketball. But what if today is the day that you, that's it. Now what do you do? So I had all this time sitting there with my Achilles injury and contemplating and thinking and I said, I better get to work.

• 18:54Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 18:54Kobe Bryant?

  That was that.

• 18:55Lewis Howes?

  What was the vision for you afterwards then? Was it to do what you're doing now or did you have other ideas? Or what is, what's the vision?

• 19:01Kobe Bryant?

  I struggled with it at first because the first question I asked, which is the wrong question is, what's the biggest industry I can get into?

• 19:08Lewis Howes?

  Was it more money thinking or?

• 19:10Kobe Bryant?

  Yes, money thinking, saying, okay, athletes are saying you can't make more revenue when you retire. This is your source of your income is here. Saying, okay, that's a challenge. What can I do? And I remember going for-

• 19:22Lewis Howes?

  Didn't you launch a fund or something?

• 19:24Kobe Bryant?

  I did, I did. And so I started, I went for a ride and I said, okay, stop thinking of it that way. You're thinking of it the wrong way. Why did you start playing basketball? Because I loved it. What did you love to do? Well, I love to tell stories. All right, let's do that. And then that's where it started for me. And then on top of that, it became things like, you know, you started learning more about the financial industry and about players going broke once they retire and saying, okay, how can I,

• 19:53Kobe Bryant?

  how can I minimize the chances of that happening? What are things that I can do to invest my money smartly? Also help control some of that outcome to a certain extent.

• 20:03Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 20:03Kobe Bryant?

  And that's when I called Mike Rapoli. Mike Rapoli was an entrepreneur who built Vitamin Water, Pirate's Boot and some other companies. And started learning from him. And then from that came the opportunity to invest in body armor.

• 20:16Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 20:17Kobe Bryant?

  And which, yeah, which we're drinking now.

• 20:19Lewis Howes?

  It's delicious.

• 20:21Kobe Bryant?

  But all that came from the injury and really having to self-assess. And, you know, face that really dark room of what comes next.

• 20:31Lewis Howes?

  Storytelling is something you're really passionate about. What's a story over your life that's been a constant theme that you go back to? Is there something you heard as a kid that you, that really resonates with you? Or a book or a movie that just feels like this is me?

• 20:46Kobe Bryant?

  Yeah, that's funny. Movies, there are plenty, but there's a quote from one of my English teachers at Little Merion named Mr. Fisk. He had a great quote that said, rest at the end, not in the middle. And that's something I always live by. I'm not going to rest and I'm going to keep on pushing now. There are a lot of answers that I don't have, even questions that I don't have. But I'm just going to keep going, just going to keep going and I'll figure these things out as we go, right? And you just continue to build that way. So I try to live by that all the time.

• 21:19Lewis Howes?

  Rest at the end.

• 21:20Kobe Bryant?

  Rest at the end.

• 21:21Lewis Howes?

  What's the question that eats you alive the most that you haven't answered yet?

• 21:28Kobe Bryant?

  The question that eats me alive that I haven't answered yet.

• 21:30Lewis Howes?

  That you're still looking for the answer.

• 21:32Kobe Bryant?

  I'm still looking for the answer. How to tell a good story? I don't think anybody has that answer. You know, like when I sat down to write Dear Basketball, I was like, okay, what do I want to say? And you have certain acts and how you can structure certain things, right? The ebbs and flows of story. Certain formulas that have been there since the beginning of time. But it's such an exact.

• 22:00Lewis Howes?

  So challenging, yeah.

• 22:01Kobe Bryant?

  Right? And so that one question is really interesting.

• 22:06Lewis Howes?

  Why do you want to tell a great story?

• 22:08Kobe Bryant?

  I think stories is what moves the world. Whether it's an inspirational story, it's an informational one. Nothing in this world moves without story. You know, from the political world, sports world, nothing that we have moves without story. And so I think that is the root of everything. And if we're going to try to make the world a better place, story is the right place to start.

• 22:35Lewis Howes?

  I agree.

• 22:35Kobe Bryant?

  But most people don't understand, like my last year, people would come up to me and say, okay, what are you going to do? I said, I'm going to be a storyteller.

• 22:41Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 22:42Kobe Bryant?

  And they go.

• 22:43Lewis Howes?

  They're like, what are you talking about?

• 22:44Kobe Bryant?

  All right, man, so what's going to happen?

• 22:46Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 22:47Kobe Bryant?

  They're like, what's going to happen when you retire is you're going to go through like a week of depression. Then the second week is going to be like denial and all that.

• 22:53Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 22:54Kobe Bryant?

  I'm like, dude, seriously, I'm good. So after a while, I just got sick of it and I just said, I don't know. I'll go play golf or something.

• 23:01Lewis Howes?

  Right, just tell them a lie.

• 23:02Kobe Bryant?

  I'm not going to do anything.

• 23:03Lewis Howes?

  I'll bet on real estate, yeah.

• 23:04Kobe Bryant?

  Whatever, I'm not going to do anything, I'm just going to sit around.

• 23:06Lewis Howes?

  What does losing feel like to you?

• 23:09Kobe Bryant?

  It's exciting.

• 23:11Lewis Howes?

  Why is it exciting?

• 23:13Kobe Bryant?

  Because it means you have different ways to get better. There are certain things that you can figure out, that you can take advantage of, right? Certain weaknesses that were exposed that you need to shore up, right? So it was exciting, I mean, it sucks to lose.

• 23:30Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 23:31Kobe Bryant?

  But at the same time, there are answers there if you just look at them.

• 23:36Lewis Howes?

  Because you get the information from losing more than from winning, probably.

• 23:39Kobe Bryant?

  Yeah, yeah, I mean, the answers are there when you win, too. You just have to look at them.

• 23:43Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 23:43Kobe Bryant?

  Right? So it's a constant process. It's exciting when you win. It's exciting when you lose because the process should be exactly the same. Whether you win or you lose, is you go back and you look and you find things that you could have done better. You find things that you've done well that worked. Figure out how did they work? Why did they work? How can you make them work again?

• 24:01Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 24:01Kobe Bryant?

  And, but the hardest thing is to face that stuff. That's a really, really tough challenge.

• 24:07Lewis Howes?

  You mean face it? You mean look yourself in the mirror and say, okay, this is how I showed up, or this is what happened?

• 24:12Kobe Bryant?

  I'll give you an example. So Katie Lou Samuelson is one of the best college basketball players in the country. She plays at UConn. She's going to be a senior.

• 24:18Lewis Howes?

  Right now.

• 24:19Kobe Bryant?

  Right now.

• 24:19Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 24:20Kobe Bryant?

  And she's from Huntington Beach out here by us. And so she comes down and she works with some of my girls on the team and she helps coach.

• 24:28Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 24:29Kobe Bryant?

  And they just had a really tough season last year where they lost to Notre Dame in the final.

• 24:33Lewis Howes?

  That's right.

• 24:34Kobe Bryant?

  Really tough.

• 24:34Lewis Howes?

  First loss in like

• 24:35Kobe Bryant?

  First loss.

• 24:35Lewis Howes?

  Years, right?

• 24:37Kobe Bryant?

  And so I asked her, I said, have you watched the Notre Dame game? She was like, no. I said, well, why not? She said, I don't want to watch that. I said, I know you don't, but you're going to play Notre Dame this year, yeah? Yeah. What's the chances you see them again in the final? She goes, well, you'll probably see them again. I said, well, you can't show up and play them without knowing why you lost that one, right? So, you know, the mistakes that you've made in that game, you have to do the hard stuff and watch that game and study that game. To not make those mistakes over and over again, just because you weren't brave enough to face it. So she came down to the office. I brought her down to the office and we sat down. We watched that game together.

• 25:14Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 25:15Kobe Bryant?

  Right? You gotta

• 25:17Kobe Bryant?

  You gotta deal with it.

• 25:18Lewis Howes?

  Face it.

• 25:18Kobe Bryant?

  You gotta deal with it. Face it, learn from it.

• 25:20Lewis Howes?

  Wow, that must have been cringing for her, that she'd be like, oh, replaying like we could have won all these things.

• 25:25Kobe Bryant?

  That's exactly it, isn't it?

• 25:26Lewis Howes?

  I just did that one thing.

• 25:27Kobe Bryant?

  That's exactly right.

• 25:28Lewis Howes?

  If I didn't get that foul, if I scored that layup.

• 25:30Kobe Bryant?

  That's exactly right. You're looking at it, oh, there's the mismatch. Oh. There's the gap, you know, and all those little things and it sucks. But, but you don't want to have that feeling again, do you? Right? So you gotta really study it, face it. And not to say you'll win the next time, but at least you'll you'll give yourself a better, a better chance.

• 25:49Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. And did you, what was your routine and ritual like after every game? Would you watch almost every game over or certain games?

• 25:57Kobe Bryant?

  All of them.

• 25:58Lewis Howes?

  Every game you'd watch?

• 25:59Kobe Bryant?

  Every game.

• 26:00Lewis Howes?

  The whole game?

• 26:00Kobe Bryant?

  The whole game.

• 26:01Lewis Howes?

  No way.

• 26:01Kobe Bryant?

  Yeah. So it started with me when I was a, when Phil Jackson's, his first year here with the Lakers. One of assistant coaches, his name was Tex Winter, and I called him Yoda. I mean, he was like 82 when he got here.

• 26:13Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 26:14Kobe Bryant?

  And he was responsible for teaching me the triangle offense.

• 26:18Lewis Howes?

  How old were you then?

• 26:19Kobe Bryant?

  I was 21.

• 26:21Lewis Howes?

  So three years, four years in the league?

• 26:22Kobe Bryant?

  Yeah, so my, about my fourth year in the league. And so I go up to his room and this is when there were, there were no iPads or anything like that, right? So when you're on the road, yeah, you have to call down to the front desk and have to bring up the TV. With the whole, you know, the rolly thing and the VHS and the cassette tape you pop it in. And I thought we were gonna watch what we call touches. So watch all your touches when you have the ball, all the decisions you make, good ones and bad. No, we're watching the start of the game to the end of the game. And not like, not like the TV feed. We're watching the in the arena feed, the layup line, the timeouts.

• 26:59Lewis Howes?

  Oh my gosh.

• 27:00Kobe Bryant?

  Yeah, rewinding, stopping, fast forward, rewinding, slow motion. Every little thing, every game of that season. With the 82-year-old Yoda.

• 27:12Lewis Howes?

  Oh my gosh.

• 27:14Kobe Bryant?

  Who is as brutally honest as you can get.

• 27:18Lewis Howes?

  What did that teach you that season?

• 27:20Kobe Bryant?

  Oh, it taught me to look at detail. Right? Look at things, things at their smallest, right? Look at body language, you know?

• 27:30Kobe Bryant?

  Look at the energy between players, our team and the other team.

• 27:34Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 27:34Kobe Bryant?

  Right? Look at the tactics, you know, look at the overall strategy and to look at how tactically things are manifesting themselves. And because I watched so much film, then it gave me the ability to see game in real time as if I was watching film.

• 27:47Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 27:48Kobe Bryant?

  Where I can see, because a lot of times the game starts moving really fast. But if you train yourself to watch hours and hours of film, the game's not moving that fast anymore. You can really recognize who's doing what and why. Then you can position guys in the right places in real time.

• 28:01Lewis Howes?

  Hmm. Seeing it before it happens.

• 28:04Kobe Bryant?

  Yes.

• 28:04Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. We, you know, in football, we'd watch it once a week, game film, but not, you know, after every game. It was only one game a week. You got like three, three a week sometimes.

• 28:13Kobe Bryant?

  Yeah, you gotta, you gotta go.

• 28:15Lewis Howes?

  And I know, and I know Tom Brady is obsessive over game film as well. I mean, watching his show that came out, Tom vs. Time, was all about him just in there studying, even months after the game. He's studying to prepare, right? It's just like, he's obsessed.

• 28:29Kobe Bryant?

  Nonstop.

• 28:30Lewis Howes?

  And that's, that's one of the keys, you think? It's like, if you're not watching film, whether it be as a speaker on stage, or a performer, a musician, if you're not watching yourself back.

• 28:40Kobe Bryant?

  You gotta learn, man. I mean, Beyonce's same, same thing.

• 28:43Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 28:44Kobe Bryant?

  After a performance, she's immediately on her laptop, rewatching the performance.

• 28:49Lewis Howes?

  No way.

• 28:50Kobe Bryant?

  Yes. Seeing how to do things better. What could we have done differently? Right? I mean, it's just, it's, it's, it's an obsessiveness that comes along with it. You want things to be as perfect as they can be, understanding that nothing is ever perfect. But the challenge is try to get them as perfect as they can be. And what can you do? It's in your control. So control what you can. I can watch film all day long. It's gonna help me.

• 29:14Lewis Howes?

  Get better.

• 29:14Kobe Bryant?

  Yes, yes.

• 29:15Lewis Howes?

  Now, did you have your teammates also follow on this obsessiveness that you had as well? Or did you just encourage them? Or what was the?

• 29:22Kobe Bryant?

  No, you can't push somebody to do that, right? But what you can do is, is alter behavior and also change the vernacular of how they speak about the game. So on team buses, team planes, in a locker room, after practice, I would look at the film. I'd pull Powell, Lamar, Dee Fish, pull them aside and say, let's look at this, right? We probably should have done this, that, and the other.

• 29:46Lewis Howes?

  So you'll show them the game film, a little bit here and there?

• 29:48Kobe Bryant?

  Yeah, then you speak to them in, in executional terms. It's never, come on, guys, we can do better. Come on, guys, we can do better. That's rah rah stuff, right? Leader must get very tactical.

• 30:01Kobe Bryant?

  Things that we can do adjustments. Okay, the defense is doing this, that and the other. That means we should probably do this, this, this, that and the other. By midway through the season, through that behavior, you start seeing them communicating the same way back to you. Right? And it's like, okay, Kobe, they're doing this, that and the other to you. Maybe we should do this and that. And you're like, okay, yeah, awesome, great, let's do it.

• 30:19Lewis Howes?

  What about season 16, 17, 18? Are you still watching every game film as obsessively as the first 10 years?

• 30:28Kobe Bryant?

  Not now, no. Well, when I was playing.

• 30:30Lewis Howes?

  When you were playing?

• 30:31Kobe Bryant?

  Yeah, so when I was playing, what I would do is study the film, but study our younger players. And see what areas do they need to develop in? And how can I help them develop? I mean, that was the big challenge, is you move from, you know, being a single dominant player to understanding, okay, I have to help these other guys.

• 30:52Lewis Howes?

  How do I lift everyone else up?

• 30:54Kobe Bryant?

  It's tough.

• 30:55Lewis Howes?

  What, I mean, you were so dominant your whole career, one of the greatest of all time. Was there a weakness that you had? Or did you, because obviously you're always trying to master your weaknesses so they became your strengths, but did you, at the end, or towards the end, did you ever feel like, gosh, I still haven't, like, mastered this one part of the game?

• 31:12Kobe Bryant?

  The challenge for me was always compassion and empathy.

• 31:16Lewis Howes?

  Because you're like, guys, let's go. Get results. Shut up. Don't complain, right?

• 31:20Kobe Bryant?

  I don't want to hear you whining. I don't want to hear it.

• 31:22Lewis Howes?

  No excuses.

• 31:23Kobe Bryant?

  Don't tell me how rough the water is. Just bring the boat in. You know, I don't want to hear it, you know?

• 31:28Lewis Howes?

  That's funny.

• 31:29Kobe Bryant?

  And it's understanding, like, okay, these guys have lives outside of here.

• 31:34Lewis Howes?

  They have other things happening.

• 31:35Kobe Bryant?

  Other things happening to them that may be affecting the way that they're practicing or the way that they're performing. And it was hard for me to understand that because nothing bothered me, you know, anything personally, that never fazed me.

• 31:48Lewis Howes?

  You compartmentalized it.

• 31:49Kobe Bryant?

  Very well. So I couldn't understand how my teammates couldn't do that either. Until I, you know, so I had to really work on that aspect of it.

• 31:59Lewis Howes?

  That's hard.

• 32:00Kobe Bryant?

  Yeah, it is.

• 32:01Lewis Howes?

  Do you feel like you never really had the compassion you wish you would have had? Like, until the last, maybe, couple of years?

• 32:06Kobe Bryant?

  Yeah, so I think about '09, things started changing for me. I started really making a conscious effort to better understand. And that doesn't mean, I mean, you have compassion and empathy, so you go soft on them. It's more like you put yourself to the side, and you put yourself in their shoes and understand what they're feeling. And then you have to make certain decisions of, okay, what buttons do I need to push for this player to get them to the next level? So it's never, it's not sit around and all, it's all happy-go-lucky type of thing. If you're a leader, your job is to get the best out of them, even if they may not like it at that time. Yeah, wow. What are you most proud of from your 20 seasons?

• 32:49Kobe Bryant?

  Honestly, it was, it sounds, it may sound a little shallow, but I gotta say beating the Celtics in game seven. That's what I'm most proud of. Why? Because it was the hardest. You know, you're playing with Rajon Rondo, Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett. All-stars. Ray Allen, and you know, it was myself, Pau, and the players that other teams didn't want. And you know, how do we figure out as a group what to do? And the reason why I loved that series so much is that we went down three games to two against Boston. And now you got two games coming home.

• 33:33Kobe Bryant?

  I remember sitting in the locker room and they beat the crap out of us too that game. So we're sitting in the locker room and it's really, really quiet. I'm sitting there looking around and we just lost to Celtics in 08, so this is like revenge, right? And they're kicking our butt again, right? So I sit around and I just started laughing. I started laughing and then I remember Derek Fisher looked at me like, and Lamar looked at me and goes, "What is funny?" I said, "Dude, they beat the crap out of us. They just beat the crap out of us." And I said, "I'm missing the part where that's funny." I said, "Man, listen, if we start this season and they say, you know, all you have to do is win two games at home and you're NBA champ, would you take that?" Yeah. And they're like, "Right, that's all we gotta do.

• 34:17Kobe Bryant?

  Go home, win two, we're NBA champions. All we gotta do is win two games in a row. That's it. We'll take care of the first game and I promise you, they're not winning game seven on our home floor. It's not happening." So we all just laughed about it. And then we went out and we figured it out, but that game seven was, we're down 15 points in the fourth quarter, right? And that's when you have to collectively look at each other and say, you know, the spirit of your team must be good. Because at that moment is when teams fracture. If the energy amongst each other isn't there, that trust isn't there, you're done. And we were able to collectively dig deep together and say, all right, we're going to figure this thing out.

• 34:55Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 34:55Kobe Bryant?

  And I wasn't playing well. I wasn't shooting the ball well at all. And so my teammates.

• 35:00Lewis Howes?

  Picked you up and they delivered.

• 35:02Kobe Bryant?

  Yes.

• 35:03Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. Wow. Gosh, man. I want to be respectful of your time. I know we've got only probably like five to seven minutes left.

• 35:12Lewis Howes?

  I saw on Instagram that you're up at like 4 a.m. lifting by yourself in the dark. And again, you've had one of the most incredible careers arguably of all time.

• 35:27Lewis Howes?

  You know, made all the money in the world, got a friggin Oscar now. You've got all these other things happening and yet you're still waking up or at least you're in the gym at 4 a.m. working out. And you just turned 40, right? Which congratulations, by the way.

• 35:39Kobe Bryant?

  Thank you.

• 35:39Lewis Howes?

  I hope I look as good as you have.

• 35:43Lewis Howes?

  Why still wake up that early and train at this level in your life right now?

• 35:49Kobe Bryant?

  Well, I mean, there's several factors for that. Like when I first retired, let myself go a little bit.

• 35:53Lewis Howes?

  Really? You got a little?

• 35:54Kobe Bryant?

  Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

• 35:55Lewis Howes?

  Got a little chubby life?

• 35:56Kobe Bryant?

  It was awesome.

• 35:57Lewis Howes?

  You enjoyed everything?

• 35:58Kobe Bryant?

  Oh, man, I'm eating. What? And now bring it to me. Let's go. Steak. Oh, let's go. Right? Milkshakes?

• 36:04Lewis Howes?

  Ice cream, yeah, man.

• 36:06Kobe Bryant?

  And then the challenge was, okay, can I get back in shape? And it's really hard because there's no end goal.

• 36:12Lewis Howes?

  There's no game. There's no season. There's no.

• 36:14Kobe Bryant?

  So how do you motivate yourself to do it?

• 36:15Lewis Howes?

  How do you?

• 36:16Kobe Bryant?

  How do you? And so for me, it was like, okay, I have to aim for something. So I said, I want to aim for size. I want to aim for bulk, right? So that's a tangible thing. I'm going to go for that, right? But then also, it's, you know, my children. Because like, you know, your kids can't see how hard you work. You go to office, I come in the studio, they don't really see the effort, right? So how can we teach our children what it means to work hard? Well, you do it through training, right? So when I get up in the morning, my daughter goes with me.

• 36:44Lewis Howes?

  4 a.m.?

• 36:45Kobe Bryant?

  4 a.m. My 15-year-old goes with me. She goes with me before school and it becomes a daddy-daughter thing.

• 36:49Lewis Howes?

  That's cool.

• 36:50Kobe Bryant?

  She just got a permit, right? So she drives in the morning, it becomes a cool thing, right? But through that process, she understands the value of hard work and things taking time. And the same thing with my 12-year-old, right? She practices every day, right? And so it's through those behaviors is where I find the motivation to do it.

• 37:10Lewis Howes?

  And what brings you the most joy right now?

• 37:12Kobe Bryant?

  Being with my family.

• 37:13Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 37:14Kobe Bryant?

  That is, man, that is the most fun. It's just, you know, it's hanging out with them all summer, being able to do things that I ordinarily couldn't do.

• 37:25Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 37:25Kobe Bryant?

  Because of training, because of seasons, and stuff like that. So being around them and watching Bianca grow up, because there are a lot of things that I miss with Nathalie and Gianna because I was playing. So being there every day with them is so much fun, man, so it brings me the most joy.

• 37:38Lewis Howes?

  That's amazing. And what does love feel like for you?

• 37:43Kobe Bryant?

  What does love feel like?

• 37:50Kobe Bryant?

  Happiness is such a...

• 37:55Kobe Bryant?

  I think I would describe love as happiness. I think I'd describe it as a beautiful journey.

• 38:03Kobe Bryant?

  You know, it has its ups and downs, right? Whether it's in marriage, whether it's in the career, you know, things are never perfect. But through love, you continue to persevere and you move through them. You move through them. And then through that storm, beautiful sun emerges.

• 38:19Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 38:20Kobe Bryant?

  Right? And inevitably, another storm comes. And guess what? You ride that one out too. So I think love is a certain determination and persistence to go through the good times and the bad times with the someone or something

• 38:34Kobe Bryant?

  that you truly love.

• 38:36Lewis Howes?

  You've got a new podcast out right now called The Punies.

• 38:39Kobe Bryant?

  Yeah.

• 38:39Lewis Howes?

  Which I started listening to. I've listened to the first two episodes. It's incredible. They're like thirteen to fifteen minute episodic storytelling, you know, cartoons, I guess.

• 38:51Kobe Bryant?

  Yes.

• 38:52Lewis Howes?

  For kids. And the thing I love about it the most is it's funny, it's entertaining, there's original music, there's all these different characters. You're teaching history like in a fun way. Which I liked the last one where it's like, you know, we, we talk about history so we don't repeat it.

• 39:10Kobe Bryant?

  Right.

• 39:10Lewis Howes?

  In our own lives. And then you teach the lessons about overcoming failure for kids and insecurities and challenges we're facing. And I think it's beautiful. Can you talk about The Punies and the podcast and what it's all about?

• 39:22Kobe Bryant?

  Yeah, so The Punies came to me from, you know, we have our family tradition where we watch The Sandlot every Fourth of July.

• 39:30Lewis Howes?

  God, it's the greatest movie, man. In the summer?

• 39:32Kobe Bryant?

  Squints and yah yah.

• 39:34Lewis Howes?

  Smores, baby.

• 39:35Kobe Bryant?

  Dude, come on, right? So like that's our family ritual.

• 39:38Lewis Howes?

  Oh my gosh.

• 39:39Kobe Bryant?

  Every Fourth of July.

• 39:39Lewis Howes?

  Sandlot.

• 39:40Kobe Bryant?

  Sandlot, right? And so after watching The Sandlot movie, I was like, we need a new sports movie like this, right? So I started kind of concepting ideas and stuff. But nothing I truly loved. And then over Thanksgiving, our other ritual is to watch Charlie Brown.

• 39:54Lewis Howes?

  Uh huh.

• 39:55Kobe Bryant?

  Right, in the pumpkin patch, right? So we watched that and then I go, whoa, wait a minute. Let's just put those together. Put those together, right? And I already had written some stories, individual stories for Puny Pete and, and Bebe.

• 40:10Lewis Howes?

  Two of the characters.

• 40:11Kobe Bryant?

  Two of the characters in The Punies. And I said, well, let's combine those. Let's, let's. And then from that, that's when The Punies started coming to fruition and I started thinking about the characters and, you know, why does this show need to exist and where are some of the deeper messages that can be there that

• 40:27Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 40:27Kobe Bryant?

  consciously you may not observe, but, but you can sense and feel. And that's when I started constructing the show.

• 40:33Lewis Howes?

  And are you part of the whole process? Are you helping write the script? Are you helping?

• 40:38Kobe Bryant?

  So we have a great, uh, young producer here who actually started here three years ago while he was still at SC.

• 40:45Lewis Howes?

  Uh huh.

• 40:46Kobe Bryant?

  And has since grown into a position.

• 40:47Lewis Howes?

  Greatest film school, yeah, yeah.

• 40:48Kobe Bryant?

  Greatest film school. And so, um, he and I worked together hand in hand on outlining every single episode. So we outlined each episode, the story beats, and then we found a great writer named John Holler. He's a great writer. And so we gave him the outline and he just. Made it a thousand times better.

• 41:05Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 41:06Kobe Bryant?

  And then I just, I directed each episode and.

• 41:08Lewis Howes?

  You oversee it all, you.

• 41:09Kobe Bryant?

  Yeah, yeah, I directed it. So, um, you know, the other challenge was finding great actors.

• 41:15Lewis Howes?

  Voice acting is a different skill.

• 41:17Kobe Bryant?

  Yes, it's a, it's a challenging art form. I mean, you really have to be able to communicate a lot just through your voice.

• 41:23Lewis Howes?

  Essence and energy with your voice, yeah.

• 41:25Kobe Bryant?

  And so the trick was finding actors that have not lost that childlike quality, right? They can still imagine themselves being children, being at the park and playing, right? And once we found them, they really brought the characters to life. And now here we are with the Punies, man.

• 41:43Lewis Howes?

  It's amazing. I want you guys to go download it right now, subscribe. It's the Punies on Apple Podcasts or Spotify and everywhere podcasts are at. I'm telling you guys, there's a lot of parents who listen to this show. Download this, listen to it in your car and do me a favor, take a video of your kids in the car and send it to me, um, send it to, or tag me on Instagram, tag Kobe on Instagram, please Kobe Bryant.

• 42:07Kobe Bryant?

  That would be amazing.

• 42:09Lewis Howes?

  That's what's going to give you great feedback.

• 42:11Kobe Bryant?

  Oh gosh, that would be amazing.

• 42:12Lewis Howes?

  Seeing how kids react. So put your phone, again, don't, don't film and drive, do it when, have someone else filming it, right? Um, but make sure, or put it on a GoPro and just press record.

• 42:21Kobe Bryant?

  Yes.

• 42:21Lewis Howes?

  It's about 15 minutes long, take your kids to school.

• 42:24Kobe Bryant?

  Take them to the park too. Like on Saturday, like we made them on Saturdays, like every Saturday is a new episode because Saturday is normally the day. Us parents drive our kids to different sporting events.

• 42:33Lewis Howes?

  To the pool, to the games, the parks.

• 42:35Kobe Bryant?

  That's why every episode has to be between 12 to, you know, 15, 16 minutes, right? Cause that's normally the drive.

• 42:40Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 42:41Kobe Bryant?

  Right? And sometimes it may be longer. And in that case, you can play multiple episodes. That's something you can listen to on your way to an event.

• 42:47Lewis Howes?

  It's like mini Frozen and Moana episodes, right? It's like little, with original music and all that stuff. It's really cool. Go download it. Again, take a video and tag Kobe, uh, on Instagram. Are you on Instagram a lot yourself?

• 42:59Kobe Bryant?

  I am on Instagram, yeah.

• 43:00Lewis Howes?

  Tag him.

• 43:01Kobe Bryant?

  Especially Lily's Lemonade. Listen to Lily's Lemonade and I would love to see kids out there trying to, trying to do the Lily's Lemonade song.

• 43:08Lewis Howes?

  Love it. Hopefully we'll get a bunch of video clips for you. Uh, and your book is out in October. It's called Mamba Mindset. Do you want to talk briefly about that?

• 43:15Kobe Bryant?

  Well, the mentality book is, is really about, um, process and craft. I've broken the book up into two sections. And process is really about. The process of preparing, you know, through injury, recovery, studying of the game. And then the craft is the actual performance and the tactics. And so a lot of things that I learned through the game were through photos. You can look at a photo and see like a player making a move, look at the angle of his feet. Look how he's using his hands on defense. And I can really break down things to the smallest detail through that. And that's what you'll see in this book. I mean, it's really a basketball bible.

• 43:49Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. Mamba, but it's also your mindset bible, right?

• 43:52Kobe Bryant?

  Yeah, yeah. Well, you see how I break things down, like how I'm looking at things to the smallest of detail.

• 43:57Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 43:58Kobe Bryant?

  And that's the best way to understand how to have that kind of mentality is to ask questions, then find answers, and then that leads to more questions and you find more answers. And that's what the book is.

• 44:07Lewis Howes?

  I love it. Make sure you guys get the book. You can preorder it right now, download the punies. Follow you on social media. The final question is, what's your definition of greatness?

• 44:19Kobe Bryant?

  I think the definition of greatness is to inspire the people next to you. Yeah, I think that's what greatness is or should be. It's not something that's that that lives and dies with one person. It's how can you inspire a person to then in turn inspire another person, that then inspires another person? And that's how you create something that I think lasts forever.

• 44:40Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 44:40Kobe Bryant?

  And I think that's our challenge as people is to is to figure out how our story can impact others and motivate them in a way to create their own greatness.

• 44:51Lewis Howes?

  Well, I want to acknowledge you again, man, for the inspiration. You're just a symbol of truth and inspiration to so many people.

• 44:57Kobe Bryant?

  Oh, thanks, man.

• 44:57Lewis Howes?

  And I just appreciate you as a human. So, Kobe, thanks, man. Appreciate you, brother.

• 45:03Lewis Howes?

  Thank you so much for watching this interview of Kobe Bryant. Again, he brought such a mentality to the game of basketball, but also he brought so much love to life. And it's so incredible to see the stories, to hear the lessons of people who have been impacted by Kobe Bryant. I only got to meet Kobe once. We messaged a few times on social media, but I didn't know him like most people. However, I got to experience him. Before and after this interview in a way that I found really inspiring and uplifting. I've done over fifteen hundred episodes on the School of Greatness.

• 45:43Lewis Howes?

  And you meet a lot of different people, people from all walks of life, people who have lots of money, lots of fame and success. And sometimes people don't treat you the same way that Kobe does. And my experience was profound in the way that he was so busy the entire day. He had interview after interview all day, but he wanted to really take the time and ask me questions. What I'm gonna do is share some bonus footage, about five minutes of never before seen video of Kobe interacting with me before and after this interview. We were able to restore this video, we were able to get the audio, the audio was

• 46:25Lewis Howes?

  never able to be used during the original interview, but with AI, we were able to capture more of the audio. And that's why I wanted to share it with you today in this video. Now, before I share this bonus content, which for me was just really inspiring to watch and re-watch. I'm gonna share with you what that is and my reaction to it. I just wanted to share a few lessons that I learned from my experience in this interview with Kobe and just my experience with him during that time. Again, I didn't know him well, but I do know people that did know him well. And they all spoke so highly of him and continue to speak about him and his legacy in such a high regard today. But one of the things from this interview that really stood out to me is about inspiring the people next to you

• 47:10Lewis Howes?

  is how you create something that lasts forever. And again, Kobe inspired me in that moment. And that has been lasting for years after his passing and so many people around the world. It's about the value you add to each individual.

• 47:28Lewis Howes?

  That's what it's really about. He also talked about the power of unconditional love is giving you the permission to fail. I love the story with his father where he said, you know, my father said, whether I score all the points or no points, I'm gonna love you no matter what. And I just think that's so powerful. In today's world, there's so much pressure on people to perform, to get results and deliver, especially parents with their kids. And to hear that he had that type of relationship with his father, and he felt loved, no matter whether he won or lost. It gave him permission to fail. He talked about the power of the fundamentals and how it's

• 48:10Lewis Howes?

  important to rest at the end. Putting in the time and effort to train, always coming back to the fundamentals and working on them every single day. Now Kobe wasn't a champion overnight. He spent years, decades honing his craft until he became a champion of the world. And he worked on the fundamentals. And sometimes we get busy trying to find the latest hack or trick to optimize us quicker than we need to get somewhere when really, the more we focus on the fundamentals over and over again, the faster we will go in life. He talked about losing being exciting. Now here's Kobe Bryant, one of the greatest NBA players of all time, one of the greatest athletes of all

• 48:53Lewis Howes?

  time, talking about losing being exciting. And whenever I saw him lose, it didn't seem like he was having a lot of fun. But inside, he was learning, he was developing, he was analyzing and assessing, what could I have done differently to prepare to win better the next time. And when you make losing exciting, it doesn't discourage you to try and give your best effort. You're able to fully commit to the thing that you love and you're passionate about, whether you win or lose. And the more you fully commit, the more likely you will succeed and win in that process. I really loved that. He talked about storytelling. I just thought this was fascinating, that Kobe Bryant is

• 49:36Lewis Howes?

  talking about storytelling. He said, this is the way we change the world. He said in the interview that nothing moves without story.

• 49:49Lewis Howes?

  He was working on this with Dear Basketball on his book and the Punies podcast, which is what we were interviewing him for in this episode. And he was always talking about how to inspire someone through story and that's how you change the world. I just thought this is so cool that this basketball player was much more than an athlete. He was a storyteller on and off the court. And one of the things that I really enjoyed the most from this interview was him talking about family, him talking about love. And I think this is why this interview has resonated with so many people over the last few years that it's been out is really him opening up about family, love, relationships in a way that people never really heard him speak about that topic.

• 50:33Lewis Howes?

  He talked about love, whether it's for a person, for a career, or for a sport. He says that things are never perfect, but it's the ability to persevere through the ups and downs that matter the most. And that spending time with his family brings him the most joy. And for me, at this season of my life, it reminds me about what's really important. And I don't have children yet, but it makes me want to have children faster to create that experience, that love, that joy. And I'm just, it just was so inspiring for me to witness this. Now, those were just a few of the many lessons. There is an incredible story that actually happened before the interview that I'll, that

• 51:16Lewis Howes?

  I'll share in the future sometime, but I wanted to get to the, the bonus footage. Now, again, the reason this content wasn't out there originally is because it was broken audio, it was kind of messed up, and we weren't able to restore it. But I said, let's go back. Now that AI has been really leading the way over the last six months, I said, let's see if we can actually restore this footage. Let's see if we can capture it, if we can edit it, if we can make it so that we can hear it. Now, the audio wasn't originally working, so you'll see Tiffany, who was working on the audio at a certain point in this video, because we weren't able to get the mics to work. So we are picking it up from the camera from a distance, but we couldn't really hear it before. And now with AI, it's able to pick it up pretty well.

• 52:01Lewis Howes?

  We also added subtitles here. So I want to play a video right when I sat down with Kobe. There was a couple of minutes of us talking that we had a beautiful moment, sharing some stories, but then we started to record.

• 52:16Lewis Howes?

  And this is what you're gonna see right before we go into this full interview. So here are the first four minutes of never before seen footage and experience of just connecting with him. And I'm going to react to this video because you're gonna see, again, like I said before, a lot of people on a, on a big level who've succeeded like Kobe don't act the way he does in this video. So I want to play this, I'm gonna pause it and I'm gonna react at a few different times. But I just thought it was really cool. So let's watch this bonus footage together right now.

• 52:53Lewis Howes?

  So this is called the School of Greatness. We, we interview the world's greatest leaders in business, sports. I was a former professional football player and transitioned into business. And I played with the USA national handball team. I don't know if you know Team Handball?

• 53:08Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, I do.

• 53:09Lewis Howes?

  So I played with the USA team. We haven't qualified for the Olympics since 96. So we've still been, it's kind of a side hobby, which I haven't played in a while, but, and I know you're legendary for your Olympics and how much you can give to the other athletes there. So it's really cool to hear those stories.

• 53:24Kobe Bryant?

  We grew up playing handball. Handball is big in Italy.

• 53:27Lewis Howes?

  Big in, in Europe. Huge in Europe.

• 53:28Kobe Bryant?

  Massive. So handball was like a part of our daily routine. So in gym class, we played handball. Right? It was a big, it's a big thing, man. You go to handball, professional handball games, man. Those things are sold. Oh, yeah.

• 53:38Lewis Howes?

  Twenty thousand people. It's like a soccer game indoors. Yeah. Spain, Germany, they're all big sports. Is there anything, any questions you have for me before we start?

• 53:48Lewis Howes?

  Now, this is interesting because usually when you're sitting down for an interview and you're starting to connect with someone across the other side of the table with you, or you know, wherever you are, I'll ask these same questions. And most people just say, no, I'm good to go. Let's get started. But Kobe starts engaging with me. So I ask him, do you have any questions for me? That's what I ask everyone. And most people say, no, I'm good. Let's go. Because they want to get into the interview. They want to talk about themselves. But this is what I thought was cool right here.

• 54:18Kobe Bryant?

  Well, I mean, just the transition, man, that's always tougher athletes, right? Yeah. To make that transition. So it's always important for us to learn from each other and how you made the transition. Because there's some, some cases out there that are popular. And so Michael Strahan, there's some guys who've been there.

• 54:33Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. A lot of guys don't.

• 54:35Kobe Bryant?

  Right.

• 54:37Lewis Howes?

  Ninety percent go broke in a couple of years?

• 54:39Kobe Bryant?

  Yeah.

• 54:40Lewis Howes?

  Not go, not only go broke financially, but broke emotionally, spiritually.

• 54:46Kobe Bryant?

  Yeah.

• 54:48Lewis Howes?

  Curious.

• 54:52Lewis Howes?

  Again, Kobe's asking me a question. He's asking me about my transition from sports into life. He's giving examples. He asked two questions here. He's diving in and asking me questions when he's only supposed to give me 20 minutes for this interview. Again, his team is telling me you've got 20 minutes. There are only so many things that you can't talk about, that you can talk about. Other people are setting up production and another side of the office. He's back to back to back interviews promoting a podcast called The Puni's all day. He is, I'm the first one to go for that day and he is stacked for the rest of the day. And they're like, you've got 20 minutes. And he's already giving me time because he's being gracious because our audio wasn't able to get sorted out.

• 55:37Lewis Howes?

  For whatever reason, the audio wasn't working, even though we tested it right before. So he's being gracious. He's, he's being present with me. He's being connected. He's not getting frustrated or angry or rushing this process. He's not saying, hey, you don't have this figured out. When there was some big production setting up just 20, 30 feet away, we were trying to figure it out and get things set up on remote location at his studios. Again, you see, this is his office. You see the famous Black Mamba painting right above there, which I thought was pretty cool, just represented him well. But he's asking me questions. Most people didn't ask me questions. This was five years ago. My show wasn't as big. I wasn't as well known. I didn't have the audience, the size that I had now. But he is engaging

• 56:21Lewis Howes?

  with me and asking me questions. Again, you hear the audio was a little bit off here because we had to reclaim it from AI and try to optimize it. But you'll see the subtitles. But he's asking me questions. He's interested in me. He's engaged with me, telling about growing up playing handball in Italy, watching handball. He's, he's relating to me. Where most people just want to talk about themselves. And I just thought, what a classy move, what a classy guy to really, he doesn't know me. He has no clue who I am or what I'm up to. But what a classy guy to give that time to give me the energy and the thought process to ask me. What's going on with you? What's, how did you transition? And again, I wasn't, I wasn't a huge pro athlete. I didn't make millions of dollars.

• 57:06Lewis Howes?

  I was making $250 a week playing arena football. So I wasn't like some big athlete that was hard for me to transition. It was like, I was just a younger athlete trying to figure it out. I didn't have his credibility as an athlete either, but he was still curious. How did you do it? How did you overcome that? And I'm just like, I thought this is fascinating.

• 57:26Lewis Howes?

  I was on my sister's couch for a year and a half after football. I got injured, I broke my wrist. I was in a full arm cast from here to here for six months. Took the bone out of my hip and put it in there. But I was making, I was playing arena football, so I didn't make the end of dough. It was on my way up. And I was only making $250 a week. So I was just playing a little over the game and, you know, to get paid a little bit. And it wasn't until about six, eight months in, when I started really reaching out to mentors. I said, okay, I need to learn the sport of life. Cause all I knew was sports. I didn't do well in school. I struggled, um, you know, all throughout school. Took me seven years to graduate college and just took a while. And so I said, how can I recreate my life as a sport? And so I started reaching out. I was like, I need great coaches.

• 58:09Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 58:10Lewis Howes?

  I need to structure my day as like an athlete. And so I just have everything detailed out on a schedule. I get very clear what my seasonal goal is. And I just reverse engineer just like an athlete does, you know? In football, we would get together the first day of, um,

• 58:26Lewis Howes?

  Now, when I'm watching this batch, I'm kind of like, man, I'm, I'm speaking too much. I need to be asking him questions. I'm watching myself like, why am I speaking? Why am I telling my story in front of Kobe Bryant? When I only have 20 minutes with him, I should be asking him questions. But that was the thing, like when I'm watching this back, you can see his eye contact with me. You see his energy, he's present with me, he's relaxed, he was calm. Again, this is the first time he met me a few minutes before this. And he had the busiest schedule. He just won the Oscar a few months prior to this. Five NBA championships. I mean, he was a machine. He was a, he was crushing it in all areas of life. He was thriving in every area.

• 59:07Lewis Howes?

  And here he is, focused, present, connected, engaging, curious, asking questions to me. And I'm just like, Not a lot of people at this level do this and you leave a mark on people based on essentially something that lasts forever, something that they can remember that will last forever. That was one of the messages he had in this interview. The power of the fundamentals. He's just being an engaging human being when he really doesn't have that much to gain from this interaction with me. And again, I feel like bad because I'm just rambling here telling my story, but I'm also knowing that our audio isn't set up yet. So I'm trying to, you know, extend my time a little bit because we, we don't have the audio ready

• 59:52Lewis Howes?

  for us to start the episode, but he's being nice and I'm just like, okay, how can I make this happen? But let's see what else I say.

• 59:58Lewis Howes?

  In the locker room and the, and the coach would say, what's our goal for the season? Let's figure it out, put it up on the chalkboard. Okay. And I was breaking it down weekly and then daily and then positions and and that's just what I do now.

• 1:00:10Kobe Bryant?

  To the end of the movies, you edit everything according.

• 1:00:12Lewis Howes?

  That's it. Yeah, that's it.

• 1:00:13Kobe Bryant?

  That's brilliant.

• 1:00:14Lewis Howes?

  Those athletes can't do that though.

• 1:00:16Lewis Howes?

  It's hard. It took me a couple of years.

• 1:00:18Lewis Howes?

  He's still, he's just still adding to the conversation. Most athletes don't do that. He's not saying, okay, you're ready to go yet? Let, let's hurry up. He, he's not doing that. He's just being present, being in the moment, be engaged, you know, going with the flow.

• 1:00:32Lewis Howes?

  To really figure it out. Cause I never made money really before.

• 1:00:34Kobe Bryant?

  Right.

• 1:00:35Lewis Howes?

  And audio, okay. I never made money before. Really, I was 25. So I wasn't an entrepreneur, but I had to learn how to add value to the world and how to package it and sell it and.

• 1:00:49Kobe Bryant?

  So I was like.

• 1:00:51Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, but I didn't know how to, I didn't know how to.

• 1:00:53Kobe Bryant?

  Nobody does. That's the thing. That's the thing. You're figuring it out now, right? It was like.

• 1:01:02Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, exactly. That's it. That's it. That's it. Yeah.

• 1:01:07Kobe Bryant?

  And hopefully when you get stuck in quicksand, there's somebody out there that's like, "Brach, exactly, we prepared it." Exactly.

• 1:01:12Lewis Howes?

  That's why I think having powerful mentors and coaches with you along the way is what's important. Can't do it alone. Can't do it alone.

• 1:01:19Kobe Bryant?

  It's certainly a lot of people out there that you're a part of.

• 1:01:21Lewis Howes?

  Absolutely. And my intention for this is to make this the most inspiring interview you've ever done. Just letting you know my intention.

• 1:01:28Kobe Bryant?

  Awesome.

• 1:01:29Lewis Howes?

  To tell your story in a beautiful, powerful way so that people are inspired to take action on the podcast you have, to take action on anything that you care. And also, we sell a ton of books. So I want to mention your book, because it's coming out in October, right?

• 1:01:40Kobe Bryant?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:41Lewis Howes?

  Which I think is going to be a huge hit. So I'm excited for that. So I want to kind of use this to promote podcast, the book, and then anything else that you're excited about, we're happy to.

• 1:01:49Kobe Bryant?

  Awesome, man. Let's do it.

• 1:01:50Lewis Howes?

  Have a good go there. Um, audio's good? Alrights.

• 1:01:54Lewis Howes?

  There you have it. So that was kind of the, that was four minutes, four, a little over four minutes before we just sat down right before then. Just shook his hand and said, "Hey, Kobe, thanks so much," and let's sit down. And, um, and that was that interaction because we didn't have the mic set up. Again, we had like a couple of cameras, a couple of lav mics. It was, we usually did it at my apartment, uh, but this was a couple hours away at his studio. So we brought, you know, our equipment there. We just didn't have it all set up or there was a glitch, but it allowed me to have these extra moments with him, um, before the interview. And also, right after that, you know, I was only supposed to do it for 20 minutes. And this interview went for 40 minutes because Kobe was like, "You know what? Let's keep talking. Let's keep going." He was so generous with his time with me.

• 1:02:38Lewis Howes?

  When his team was like, "Hey, you gotta cut it off," but he was like, "You know, it's all good." Like, "I'm really having a great conversation. I love talking about this. I love talking about greatness." And he is the definition of greatness on how he lived his life and, and how he showed up for his teammates and how he excelled in so many different areas. And I just thought that was really cool. So this other clip right here is a, is a shorter clip. Uh, it's right when the episode ends. I want to show you kind of the behind the scenes afterward, which again, I just felt like was so cool to watch. Looking back at it now, recovering this footage because I've done over 1500 episodes. I've met a lot of interesting, inspiring, successful people.

• 1:03:23Lewis Howes?

  You learn a lot about someone about how they treat you and the team around you. When there's nothing in it for them. So watch what happens here.

• 1:03:32Lewis Howes?

  Amazing. Dude, I wish I could interview for like three hours. So much good stuff there. Thanks, man. Thanks. We'll just do a couple of quick photos and then get you in there because I know you've got to run. So. Thank you.

• 1:03:45Lewis Howes?

  Dude, that was amazing. My audience is going to love this. Dude, you're great, man. I appreciate it. I appreciate it, man.

• 1:03:51Lewis Howes?

  That is cool. That is cool right there. Again, a lot of times people finish and then they're out of there. Kobe went to me, gave me a handshake, gave me a hug. He said, hey, man, thanks so much. And then he went to the two people on my team and he shook both their hands before leaving. And I just thought, you may not think that's a big deal, but most people don't do that. Most people at his level don't do that. And they don't treat everyone the same way. Again, he's telling a story by doing that. I'm still telling his story. I just spoke at a conference in Mexico in front of almost 2000 people telling the story of my experience with him before this interview and what I got to witness, which was so powerful.

• 1:04:37Lewis Howes?

  And just these little moments, someone at that level to treat someone, look them in the eyes, ask them questions, connect with everyone around them. It's just a really special thing. So, so many powerful lessons. I'd love to hear your greatest lesson from this interview in the comments below. Leave a comment on how Kobe inspired you, the greatest impact he had on you by watching him or being a fan of his. And again, what was unexpected for you? Any comment or inspiration that you have? Let me know in the comments below. Thank you so much for watching this video, for consuming this interview and for watching this behind the scenes content, which I just feel like was so cool to experience as someone who is interviewing him.

• 1:05:20Lewis Howes?

  And Kobe continues to inspire and leave a legacy for so many people around the world through his story and the things that he created. And I'm just so grateful that I got to have that experience to interview him. And I hope you gain something, some value from this interview and this conversation as well. I want to remind you, if no one has told you lately that you are loved, you are worthy, and you matter, and make sure to go out there and do something great. I hope today's episode inspired you on your journey towards greatness. Make sure to check out the show notes in the description for a rundown of today's show with all the important links.

• 1:06:00Lewis Howes?

  And if you want weekly exclusive bonus episodes with me as well as ad-free listening experience, make sure to subscribe to our Greatness Plus channel on Apple Podcasts. If you enjoyed this, please share it with a friend over on social media or text a friend, leave us a review over on Apple Podcasts, and let me know what you learned over on our social media channels, @lewisHowes. I really love hearing the feedback from you, and it helps us continue to make the show better. And if you want more inspiration from our world-class guests and content to learn how to improve the quality of your life, then make sure to sign up for the Greatness Newsletter and get it delivered right to your inbox over at greatness.com/newsletter. And if no one has told you today, I want to remind you that you are loved, you are worthy, and you matter.

• 1:06:45Lewis Howes?

  And now it's time to go out there and do something great.