Pod Insights The School of Greatness Jon Bon Jovi REVEALS His Only REGRET & Life Lessons as a 24-year-old ROCKSTAR About this episode Today, Lewis sits down with the legendary Jon Bon Jovi to peel back the curtains on what truly separates success from greatness. Jon opens up about the precise moment he felt he touched greatness with his music and how he kept his eyes on the horizon in his twenties, always believing his best work was yet to come. He shares the personal tactics that helped keep his band united through the storms of fame, including the pivotal role of therapy in enhancing communication. Jon also gets personal about the challenges of running his own management company, sustaining a loving marriage amid the rockstar lifestyle, and the importance of relational and emotional intelligence in his success. Beyond his professional life, Jon reflects on the evolution of his voice, the lessons learned from fatherhood, and offers a lyric that deeply resonates with his current chapter in life. Watch Jon’s new documentary series, Thank You, Goodnight – The Bon Jovi Story on Hulu. In this episode you will learnThe fundamental differences between success and true greatness. Strategies for maintaining long-term professional relationships and group dynamics in high-stress environments. Insights into managing a successful career while nurturing a healthy personal life. Jon's approach to adapting, growing and improving over time as one of the greatest frontmen in rock and roll history. The profound life lessons Jon has gained through his journey as a husband, father and a veteran musician. For more information go to www.lewishowes.com/1608For more Greatness text PODCAST to +1 (614) 350-3960More SOG episodes we think you’ll love:Rick Rubin – https://link.chtbl.com/1536-podRhonda Byrne – https://link.chtbl.com/1525-podJohn Maxwell – https://link.chtbl.com/1501-pod Get more from Lewis! Get my New York Times Bestselling book, Make Money Easy! Get The Greatness Mindset audiobook on SpotifyText Lewis AIYouTubeInstagramWebsiteTiktokFacebookX
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0:00 Speaker 00 The industry said, "You're out of your mind. You're a dead man walking. You're the biggest band in the world right now. You can't fire your big shop manager. Give me a good reason why." The word on the street was, "This is career suicide." But the band trusted me, and we did it. I did it.
0:16 Speaker 01 Has sold over 130 million albums. Please welcome John Bon Jovi.
0:28 Lewis Howes? You brought in this mediator, a therapist, a couch, someone to kind of like say, "Hey, tell everyone how you feel."
0:34 Speaker 00 Oh, it wasn't easy. Nobody was receptive to it. I was receptive to it. The guys fought it. And then after a couple of sessions of it, we committed to it.
0:42 Lewis Howes? Wow.
0:43 Speaker 00 I can absolutely positively guarantee you will never see me giving 50%. That's out of the question. Don't think for a moment that Richie and David and Tico didn't give everything they had. They gave everything they had too. Everyone's always looking over the shoulder and they've got that, "Who's the bigger guy in the room?" I gave that [bleep] up so long ago. I give [bleep] about it. And I have very few regrets in my career. One of my few regrets...
1:13 Lewis Howes? Welcome back, everyone, to the School of Greatness. Very excited about our guest. We have the legendary John Bon Jovi in the house. Good to see you, sir.
1:20 Speaker 00 Thank you, brother.
1:21 Lewis Howes? Thank you so much for being here, my fellow Pisces.
1:23 Speaker 00 Yeah.
1:24 Lewis Howes? Arena football lover and so many other things. You have this incredible docu-series that's out right now as people are watching this. And there's so much about it that I didn't realize about you as a human being and your heart and your vision. I think everyone sees the accolades, the success, the platinum, you know, records that you've sold and the four-decade career of hit after hit. But what they really get to watch when they watch this series is your incredible vision for making all this happen and manifesting this into your life and building and creating
2:07 Lewis Howes? it for decade after decade, and your beautiful heart. So I want to acknowledge you for your heart because I feel like that love and that passion is what allowed this to come to fruition, this life you've created, and the impact that you've had with your music around the world. My fiancee, she's Mexican.
2:25 Lewis Howes? And I told her I was having you on today. And she was almost in tears because she said when she was a teenager, she bought a CD of yours. And it was one of the first music that she heard where she started to learn English.
2:38 Speaker 00 Oh.
2:38 Lewis Howes? Was because of your music.
2:39 Speaker 00 Right.
2:40 Lewis Howes? So you make, you make impact on so many people's lives in so many different ways that you're not even aware of. So I want to acknowledge you for that. Uh, John, and there was a moment in, I can't remember if it was episode one or two, because I got to watch the, the whole thing. Where you talk about success and greatness. I don't know if you remember this, but you, you mentioned about success and you mentioned greatness in almost the same sentence. And you give a, a definition kind of of what they both are for you. Since this is the school of greatness, I would love for you to talk about what the difference is between success and greatness for you.
3:14 Speaker 00 Well, I honestly can't remember the instance in the film, especially because it's been filmed over the last couple of years. But I guess my reaction to it would be this.
3:28 Speaker 00 Anyone can have success.
3:32 Speaker 00 You could write
3:35 Speaker 00 a jingle that becomes a hit song.
3:38 Lewis Howes? Mm-hmm.
3:39 Speaker 00 And for five minutes, that's called success and it's fleeting. Or you could strive for greatness, which means you gotta do it again. And again, and again, and again, and again, and again. And, and you have to work hard. Um, because it just doesn't happen. You know, greatness is something to strive for. And it is, it is given to nobody.
4:08 Speaker 00 Even the most gifted of musician or athlete or business leader has to work at it in order to, you know, strive to achieve greatness. That's my opinion.
4:22 Lewis Howes? Yeah. Do you feel like, when did you feel like you were able to reach greatness in your musical career?
4:29 Speaker 00 I don't know that I ever felt that way.
4:30 Lewis Howes? Really?
4:31 Speaker 00 I think that that's sort of that chip on your shoulder that keeps you going. I do think that I've gotten quite good at it. I think that given the opportunity physically,
4:43 Speaker 00 I can do it with the best of them at this point. But, um, I think that with every song, with every song, let alone every album.
4:54 Speaker 00 It's, can I do it again? Can I do it again? Can I do it again? How can I do it better?
5:01 Speaker 00 I don't think you ever think you've achieved greatness. It's just striving.
5:05 Lewis Howes? Did you ever feel like when, I think it was the third album you guys had that went like, I don't know, 14 times platinum or whatever it did. It was like all over the world.
5:12 Speaker 00 It's one of the biggest selling records ever, yeah. Slippery and wet, yeah.
5:16 Lewis Howes? Was that the biggest album ever of all time?
5:18 Speaker 00 No, no, no. I mean, for us, it was, but it was, it was thriller. It was like a virgin. It was born in the USA. It was, it was one of those. It was huge. It was massive and it was everywhere.
5:29 Lewis Howes? When you have that big of a hit at that young of an age, I think you were like 24, 25 or somewhere around there. How do you, and it surpasses so many other records or accomplishments of almost every other artist. How do you come with the mind of this isn't my best work and I can keep, you know, reaching this type of success? Or do you think maybe my best work is behind me?
5:52 Speaker 00 No.
5:52 Lewis Howes? At 25?
5:53 Speaker 00 No, no, no, no, no. Absolutely not.
5:58 Speaker 00 If anything, I didn't, my only regret, and I have very few regrets in my career. One of my few regrets is that I didn't take a little more time just to enjoy it. Because you could have, should have taken the time to really enjoy it. I think that part of the journey of life is that in your twenties, when you've got A, that chip on your shoulder and there's, there's all kinds of new surprises around every bend.
6:29 Speaker 00 You don't really sure how to navigate this journey. You look to mentors and, you know, in some form or another to, to sort of guide you. And they do the best they can, but it doesn't mean that they had the answers either. Anyhow, you're on this journey.
6:48 Speaker 00 And all we could think of, at least all I could think of was. I gotta do this again. I gotta make sure that nobody thinks that was a fluke, that we can, we can do this again. We can do it again after that. So it was nose to the grind. And a year after the Slippery Tour concluded, um, and there was 240 shows and massive success for the band. We were back on the road with the album New Jersey, which had five more top 10 singles and another 240, 250 shows. One year later, just back to back, just went right back in the ring.
7:29 Lewis Howes? You know, there's one part of the docu-series where the band, I think you guys were together for, I don't know, five years in a row, it seems like, with very little time off. And there's this beautiful journey that you guys created, this incredible family and this incredible relationships and brotherhood and team mentality. But then, too much of a good thing can turn into a bad thing is kind of what you guys talk about in this series. How did you not allow too much tension to actually break this band apart after so many years of success? When there was just more frustration and resentment and egos? How did you keep it together emotionally, mentally, spiritually, physically? When everyone's got more money than they can think of now?
8:13 Lewis Howes? When everyone's got more fame and success and their egos are at an all time high? How did you keep it together?
8:18 Speaker 00 Well, everyone has their own unique perspective. And everyone's the hero of their own show, right? So I'm sure anyone in the band or the organization will have told you their point of view and it may differ from mine. But having been the leader, namesake, whatever you want to call me,
8:37 Speaker 00 I'd always had a certain vision and asked others to follow.
8:43 Speaker 00 Their opinions and their input was very welcomed. But obviously, somebody had to be the quarterback. And so I treated this like a team. And I was the quarterback, but I knew I couldn't play without a receiver and a line, okay? So I wasn't
9:02 Speaker 00 ego-driven, but I had to...
9:08 Speaker 00 Have a plan, stick to the plan and
9:13 Speaker 00 sink or swim, make the decision. So when I did see that the burnout was happening after those two back-to-back records.
9:23 Speaker 00 And this was our first foray into that kind of territory. Because it has happened to me other times in my career. In this instance, there was a moment in time where I would in retrospect blame agents, managers, lawyers, because they were supposed to be the mentors that said, we believe in you, take your time, get it right. And they allowed us to keep going to the point of burnout. What I wouldn't allow was it to fall apart because I knew better than to think, wait a minute. Nobody physically harmed each other, nobody stole money, nobody sold a girlfriend, nobody was dead, nobody was, you know, car crashed. Like this was burnout.
10:07 Speaker 00 So you go back to team, you go back to, you know, what is it that got us here collectively? Let everybody go out and gather their thoughts, get new information, bring it back to the fold, which in turn could make us stronger. And, and I really, by that point, went out on a limb. Because at that point, I'd fired the managers, agents and lawyers. And said to the guys, I've got this vision. I believe it still works. And not only
10:40 Speaker 00 do I need you guys to come along, but I'm doing it without the rest of the apparatus now. And they put their faith in that.
10:47 Lewis Howes? There's three things that I've gotten to learn about you through this series that's really inspired me that I feel like you innovated and you led the way with in terms of
10:57 Lewis Howes? anyone that I'm aware of in the kind of the music industry at this high of a level. And I want to share these three things. One is during that time where I guess the the band was kind of in a lot of friction. At least from the story of the documentary you brought in. Yes, a mediator, a therapist, a coach, someone to kind of like say, hey. Tell us, tell everyone how you feel. Like, let's open up all of the emotions, the frustrations, the pains, the joys, and share it all. And this was what, thirty, twenty, thirty years ago?
11:28 Speaker 00 Thirty years.
11:28 Lewis Howes? Thirty years ago, when this wasn't a popular thing to do.
11:31 Speaker 00 Thirty-five years.
11:32 Lewis Howes? That was like looked down upon thirty years ago. But you said, I'm going to have the courage to say, we need to bring a coach, an expert, a mediator, a therapist to come in, and let everyone express themselves. Would you say that really helped?
11:44 Speaker 00 Oh, yeah.
11:44 Lewis Howes? Bringing people back together?
11:46 Speaker 00 Oh, yeah. And boy, was it resistance.
11:49 Lewis Howes? Really?
11:49 Speaker 00 Oh, yeah. You know, I'd heard about these therapies, especially in alcoholism and mental illness, you know, and where you go to rehab.
11:58 Lewis Howes? Rehab, yeah.
11:58 Speaker 00 You know, and you're dealing with issues. But like I'd said, we didn't have those issues. We had naivete and youth and this rocket ship to success that was confusing. Because we went being, from being the children of our parents to the parents of our parents. And the parents of, we were now these CEOs, you know, we were now these decision makers. We were now these money makers. We were, we were, we were the gravy train, you know. Life changed for everybody in the organization.
12:33 Lewis Howes? In your twenties.
12:34 Speaker 00 In my twenties. And
12:39 Speaker 00 that's, that's me being, I don't know, I don't want to say a visionary, but a different thinker. I, I thought differently. I just always thought differently. The way I got a record deal. Nobody gets a record deal the way I got a record deal. I wouldn't knock on a DJ's booth. Who, right now, we think that there's millions of people are going to watch this interview, which is nothing but ego. But in truth, it just could be you and I, Louis. And nobody might ever, may ever see this or hear this, right? And we don't know. The loneliest man in the music business was a DJ, talking to no one, preaching the gospel of music. And I said, that man loves music more than anyone I know. I'm going to go knock on his window and play him a song.
13:24 Speaker 00 It was the same kind of visions I've had throughout the process here, where I said, self-management. The industry said, you're out of your mind, you're a dead man walking. You're the biggest band in the world right now, you can't fire your big shot manager. I said, why? And I wasn't being egon, man, I, I said, why? Tell them, give me a good reason why. There wasn't a good reason why. And from 1991 to 2016.
13:51 Speaker 00 It's a lot of commission checks. I didn't pay anybody.
13:53 Lewis Howes? Mm hmm.
13:53 Speaker 00 You know, um, but the band trusted me and we did it. I did it. I built Bon Jovi.
13:59 Lewis Howes? That's the second thing that I was gonna talk about.
14:01 Speaker 00 But the therapist, Lou Cox, he come in and he had nothing to win or lose. He wasn't on anyone's salaries. He wasn't on the paid role. He wasn't
14:17 Speaker 00 even in the music business.
14:18 Lewis Howes? Wow. What was the one thing that that he taught you through that experience about mediation, therapy, communication?
14:29 Speaker 00 That every, well, little silly, you know, elevator bumper stickers, like, you know, everyone's the star of their own show. It's five different opinions in this story. It's it's five different points of view. But it was about listening in order to learn. It was about, you know, giving the floor to others when necessary. It was about being a shoulder to lean on when somebody, you know, needed that shoulder to lean on. There was a lot of that, that, um, there was no.
15:01 Speaker 00 It was just, it was all based in truths. You know, it was looking into someone's eye and saying I love you and meaning it.
15:09 Lewis Howes? Wow.
15:10 Speaker 00 You know, understanding what the words meant. Not just, oh, we're performing on this stage together. Hey, dude. I was never a dude. We weren't dude. I wasn't interested in that. I was interested in cutting to a deeper place, you know. Our music got lumped into a genre of music because of we, of when we came up and the kind of stuff, you know, that. I was 21 and 25. I looked like every kid in the mall. That's the way the kids looked in the mall.
15:41 Lewis Howes? Yeah, yeah.
15:42 Speaker 00 So we were thrust into that, but that's not who I was. It was just, we were. Put into that.
15:48 Lewis Howes? But you were, I mean, again, this is the thing that surprises me. You're in, this is what, the late eighties, early nineties, right?
15:54 Speaker 00 Mid eighties.
15:55 Lewis Howes? Mid eighties.
15:55 Speaker 00 Eighty-six, eighty-seven, eighty-eight.
15:57 Lewis Howes? But when the therapy session, that's, that's.
15:58 Speaker 00 Oh, that's ninety, yeah, ninety, ninety-one, yeah.
16:00 Lewis Howes? Ninety, ninety-one.
16:01 Speaker 00 Yeah.
16:02 Lewis Howes? It's what, five to seven of you guys in a room together?
16:05 Speaker 00 Yeah.
16:06 Lewis Howes? And you're talking about love? And you're talking about your emotions, and you're talking, I love you, and you're looking in each other's eyes, and you're being vulnerable. When I grew up in the eighties and nineties, you weren't allowed to do that stuff. So I'm saying, you innovated this ability to, like, how, how were all of you able to be so receptive to connect openly, lovingly, vulnerably?
16:26 Speaker 00 Oh, it wasn't easy. Nobody was receptive to it. I was receptive to it. The guys fought it. And then after a couple of sessions of it, they, you know, had their private time with Lou, and then they would come back into grouping, and, you know, and, and, we committed to it.
16:44 Lewis Howes? Wow.
16:45 Speaker 00 We committed to it.
16:46 Lewis Howes? How many sessions did you guys all do together?
16:49 Speaker 00 In it, if you, let's just put it this way, over the course of time that started in ninety, and I was talking to Lou, you know, a year ago.
17:01 Lewis Howes? This is amazing.
17:02 Speaker 00 So we still, you know, I, I would still touch base with them over time. Yeah, we needed them anytime.
17:08 Lewis Howes? How important was it for you to tap into your relationship skills and your emotional skills? You know, over your singing and songwriting skills in order to be successful as a group and as a band?
17:24 Speaker 00 I just looked at it like a, a, a family is always gonna have its issues. A team is always gonna have their issues.
17:36 Speaker 00 But having been a sports fan, I could see the inner workings of a team and think.
17:42 Speaker 00 I could see that the ego is prohibiting them from winning championships.
17:46 Lewis Howes? Oh, man.
17:47 Speaker 00 And that a family can't get away from each other, you know, because of blood. But they could have nothing more than a common last name. So there had to be a way to take the strength of a name and the strength of a team and take the best of those things and maximize them. So, you know, if it's based in truth, you can get over ego.
18:11 Lewis Howes? Wow.
18:12 Speaker 00 It worked for me.
18:14 Lewis Howes? That's incredible. And it sounds like if you didn't allow, if everyone didn't join in that process, you guys want to be where you are.
18:22 Speaker 00 Well, somebody could have quit easily. Yeah, it sure would have been easier way for somebody to quit.
18:30 Speaker 00 But nobody ever quit the band until Richie, you know, in 2013, but that's much later.
18:37 Lewis Howes? Right.
18:39 Speaker 00 But no, no, everybody was committed.
18:41 Lewis Howes? Incredible, man. So that's cool. So I love, you know, one of three things that I really think you innovated. The second thing, you mentioned it, 1990, you're 29, you're 30 years old and you say, okay, everyone in the music industry has a manager or has agents and all these different things. I'm going to do it differently.
18:58 Speaker 00 Yeah.
18:59 Lewis Howes? You hear about that now of like independent artists and starting their own thing and launching their music through the internet. But in 1990, like that never happened. So you really innovated and led this way for artists 30 years before they started doing it. What was the biggest challenge you had to overcome in starting your own management company? Navigating the landscape of ticketing and venues and commission.
19:25 Speaker 00 What happened was is we let go of the old agent, got a new one. Okay. So it wasn't that I didn't have, and we got a different one.
19:31 Lewis Howes? Right.
19:32 Speaker 00 The manager, God bless him, you know, we're still friendly. But he said it was about him. And we went, no, it's definitely not about you. And then you have to think like, what does he bring that is so unique?
19:49 Lewis Howes? Uh huh.
19:50 Speaker 00 And granted, in that first chapter of my career, I learned a lot.
19:56 Speaker 00 And it was great. But when it was time to move on, I was glad that it was time to move on.
20:03 Lewis Howes? And it was season.
20:04 Speaker 00 And the, the, um, the word on the street was, this is career suicide. But I had an incredible representative, and I, and I use that word endearingly. It was way more than a lawyer. He was the godfather to my daughter. He was my father and my best friend and my brother all rolled into one. He never, ever, you know, took advantage of me. He represented, he, he taught me everything I know about business.
20:34 Lewis Howes? Wow.
20:35 Speaker 00 And he's passed. He had frontal lobe dementia. He's passed about seven, eight, nine years ago now. Um, there's a huge black hole in my life because he's not in it any longer. Um, but he's what made me learn everything that I've known now. And in turn, also made me realize we didn't need all that glitz and glamour. You know, we had an amazing right hand in a guy named Paul Corzilius, who was doing the day to day in the office. Jerry was doing all the paperwork and I was making all the decisions.
21:13 Lewis Howes? Mm hmm.
21:14 Speaker 00 We could do this.
21:15 Lewis Howes? Right.
21:15 Speaker 00 And we did it in a big way. We had the biggest tour in the world three times in, in that period. I had six number one albums. I had, you know, six number ones. It's like, it's like,
21:28 Lewis Howes? Crushing it. Yeah, it's incredible. But how did you have the courage to do that when no one else had done?
21:33 Speaker 00 I had, I had met with a half a dozen managers. I remember at the time, what did, you know, like, meeting with managers again and going through that process and, and just not clicking with any of them. There was none of them that moved me. And I, I needed somebody that was gonna dedicate their life to this, the way that we dedicated our lives to it. And I wasn't getting that.
21:55 Lewis Howes? Wow.
21:55 Speaker 00 So I just, why? Why?
21:58 Lewis Howes? Right.
21:59 Speaker 00 Do it ourselves.
21:59 Lewis Howes? Wow. Beautiful. Uh, the third thing that I feel like you've really innovated in this industry of, you know, music and rock star and, and fame and all these different things. Is you got married, you know, at the the peak. I think you're in your late twenties, right? Twenty eight, twenty nine, when you got married to a high school sweetheart.
22:19 Speaker 00 Yeah.
22:20 Lewis Howes? And for me, I don't know how you're on the road constantly with that much fame, that much success, that much money, that much options, let's say. And you're able to enter a marriage and have a what looks like on the outside, a healthy relationship for decades.
22:36 Speaker 00 Thirty five years.
22:38 Lewis Howes? That's incredible. I saw I feel like you've innovated this in a in a space where.
22:42 Speaker 00 No, I can't take that credit.
22:43 Lewis Howes? Well, I feel like, you know, not many people.
22:45 Speaker 00 It's fewer and far between. Bono's married as long, Bruce is married almost as long.
22:49 Lewis Howes? Very, very few.
22:50 Speaker 00 You know.
22:51 Lewis Howes? How were you able to have a healthy, successful, thriving marriage and relationship while all the other, you know, ego stuff and fame and just travel and.
23:01 Speaker 00 That one was easy. That didn't take a genius. We grew together.
23:05 Lewis Howes? Wow.
23:05 Speaker 00 We went to high school together.
23:06 Lewis Howes? Yeah.
23:07 Speaker 00 So we came through this whole roller coaster ride together. So no matter my highs or my lows, she's seen them.
23:16 Lewis Howes? Wow.
23:16 Speaker 00 And that that was integral. She didn't meet me at the pinnacle of my successes or the, you know, the low points in my career and pick me up out of a gutter somewhere. So we we grew up in the same hometown with the same kind of values, same kind of family background, middle class upbringing.
23:33 Lewis Howes? She saw you doing cover band stuff back.
23:34 Speaker 00 Sure, in high school, you know what I mean? So that one, I just was thank God fortunate enough to get right the first time. And and and we held on, you know, it wasn't, we never really had any kind of difficulty.
23:47 Lewis Howes? Really?
23:48 Speaker 00 It knocked what it's been thirty five years.
23:50 Lewis Howes? What do you think is the key? And I'm not sure if anyone asked you about relationship or marriage. You know, advice ever, but what would you say are the three keys to having a long term, successful relationship? While thriving at the top of your career as well?
24:06 Speaker 00 I don't know. I mean, the relationship thing, like I said, is mutual respect and kind. Admiration and mutual respect is at the is at the top of this for me. To be a good listener and know it's not all about me, it's about we. You know, it's it's about both of us. It's about all of us. It's about the the family dynamic. So of course I'm always going to be the. You know, the narcissist, the lead singer in the house. But there, there's no platinum records hanging in my house, you know? I mean, like, we left that a long, long, long time ago in our, in our, in our home. So admiration, mutual admiration society, being a good listener, growing together.
24:51 Speaker 00 You know, just finding her in a way that like, I get excited in the morning when I see her every single day.
24:59 Lewis Howes? Thirty-five years later.
25:00 Speaker 00 I get excited every single day.
25:02 Lewis Howes? What's something you love about her the most?
25:06 Speaker 00 That she absolutely knows that she loves me, like with all of her heart.
25:12 Lewis Howes? Wow.
25:13 Speaker 00 You know, I mean, there's just, there's no question, there's no doubt, there's not even a glimmer of doubt. There's not even a hint of a glimmer of doubt that this is it. There is no, that's it.
25:24 Lewis Howes? And wow.
25:25 Speaker 00 Yeah, I, I got this one right.
25:27 Lewis Howes? When you're coming off stage in front of eighty thousand people and you're the man and you're selling out the biggest tour in history, back to back, and people are screaming every word and chanting your name. And then you go home and someone's upset at you or they want you to listen to them. How do you get over your ego of being Jon Bon Jovi and saying, I want to be a great partner?
25:48 Speaker 00 It might take a minute to walk it off, you know, when you're on the, on the road for a long time. Especially in those younger years when we would be on the road so long that you, you could carry the lifestyle home.
26:03 Speaker 00 But I haven't even seen that guy in a long time.
26:06 Lewis Howes? Wow.
26:06 Speaker 00 So it's, it's of, it's of no interest to me to even see that guy. It, it, it really isn't.
26:17 Speaker 00 Boy, I'm, I'm, I'm really trying to be honest with you because even if it was ten or fifteen years ago when we were just still, you know, a little more.
26:30 Speaker 00 Wild and and and I don't mean this in a like we're subdued now, but it's just in a little more ego driven way. Yes.
26:39 Speaker 00 Even that wasn't a big deal. Really? Yeah, I just. Where did you learn that though? Did you, did your parents teach you this? It's who we are, where we come from, what we did. I, I, I was never a big drug guy. I was never the big drinking guy. I was never the big, you know, one thing we learned on this journey. We're doing this interview right now in, in Los Angeles, California. I had a house out here for years on the beach in Malibu with all the beautiful people. And the first thing after owning that house for four or five years was we gotta sell this house. Why? We gotta get the hell out of here. This, this is not conducive to
27:20 Speaker 00 a great relationship and a great life and a great career and a great
27:26 Speaker 00 grounded who we are, what we are, where we come from. Wow. And I, it was the same thing when we went home and
27:35 Speaker 00 wrote Slippery and Wet. It was like we are being lumped in with these kinds of bands that it's not our thing. And I was just like, I said, I don't want to be a part of this scene. This is not who we are. It's not who I am. I don't give a Right. Go back home, take that picture in the inner sleeve in our driveway, you know, in our cars, you know, with the blue jeans and T shirts on and sell that Malibu house. And you come out here and everyone's always looking over the shoulder and they've got that, who's the bigger guy in the room? Who can I go and work? Who can I get something from? I gave that shit up so long ago. I give a about it. I am not impressed, you know? I don't give off.
28:19 Speaker 00 It's just that, that, that shallow shit will ruin you. And I know grown men who still are playing that game. Wow. You know, and it's just sad. Yeah. And shallow. What do you wish everyone knew about money, fame and success? Money doesn't make you smart. It just makes you rich. Doesn't make you happy? Does not make you happy. Now, can it pay for the bills so you can get, you know, the doctor and the insurance and that those things? It can, it, it, it, it solves some problems, but absolutely does not make you happy. And it doesn't make you smart. It just makes you wealthy. What do you wish people knew about fame and accomplishments?
29:03 Speaker 00 Accomplishments are all fabulous, especially if you worked hard for them and you know, you have a, you deserve the opportunity to, to accept the accolade in and of the moment and enjoy it. And then, you know, then you, you move on from it and don't measure who and what you are based on any kind of championship ring. Right. That's not your identity. It is not who you are. It's just what you do.
29:35 Speaker 00 And I, and I, I too, I live by that credo. It's not who I am. It's just what I do. But I've met many a billionaire who they're not smart because you know, they're just,
29:50 Speaker 00 they're missing out on the, on the good things in life, you know, and on, on, on, on being a part of their community, on, on touching the lives of their, their wives and their children, on, on, on sleeping on their pillow at night and knowing that they did something good instead of
30:08 Speaker 00 for a buck. Yeah. And what do you wish people knew about fame?
30:13 Speaker 00 It's really an interesting question to ask at this juncture, right? It's 2024 and I remember having a conversation with my kids, maybe 10, 12, 15 years ago.
30:24 Speaker 00 And them telling me about that the internet and ways to make money. And I would say, but you gotta write a song to make money. You, you have to learn how to act. If you, you know, we're talking about. I'm like a skill set. You know, referencing the art. We have to be an athlete and put in the 10,000 hours.
30:44 Speaker 00 I've been proven wrong, obviously now, right? There's, there's all, there's a whole world of people making a buck and that is very confusing for me and my generation. It's very confusing for me and my generation. We, we were told that we could go to the moon because President Kennedy told us we could, but we had to go to school to learn how to do the science to get to the moon.
31:11 Speaker 00 We didn't just, you know, snap our fingers and get lucky on the internet one day. So it's a very confusing time.
31:20 Speaker 00 But I don't, I don't think anything is a substitute for hard work and dedication and commitment and.
31:28 Speaker 00 You know, not every day you're gonna win, but every day is an opportunity to
31:34 Speaker 00 participate in the process and measure your progress.
31:36 Lewis Howes? Absolutely. Well, you won a lot, though, consistently, which is pretty impressive.
31:40 Speaker 00 Yeah, it's all good.
31:41 Lewis Howes? You won, you've been winning for, you've been winning, yeah.
31:44 Speaker 00 More than I've lost.
31:45 Lewis Howes? Championship after championship. And again, we're talking about Thank You, Good Night, the Von Jovi story, which is on Hulu at the time of watching this. And I'm curious about, you know, you put in a lot of reps, speaking of 10,000 hours. When you were a kid, you were doing cover band stuff in Jersey. And there's an amazing scene of like Bruce Springsteen coming up on stage while you were singing his song and him singing it with you. And I can only imagine the like electricity and the excitement in your body as a 16, 17 year old, seeing someone who is, you know, bigger than you on, on stage, who is singing with you. And, um, and you talk about, like, you could almost touch it. You're explaining like how you could almost reach out and touch this
32:30 Lewis Howes? opportunity. And you just wanted to get closer and closer to that by being in the production studios and being on stages and being around these great artists and talent. I'm curious, where did your creativity come from? How did you, and when you ever felt like blocked creatively or burnt out, how did you get into a creative state?
32:51 Speaker 00 I was never the great singer, the great guitar player, the great poet. I was the hardest working singer, guitar player and poet.
33:02 Lewis Howes? Yeah.
33:02 Speaker 00 And so that was a big part of how I became me. If I was gonna
33:12 Speaker 00 drown, it was gonna be of my own doing, right? So that was, that was integral to the story. Also, what was integral to my personal story was that the drinking age was 18. And it sounds comedic, but it's true. Because at 16, you could slip into a bar.
33:27 Lewis Howes? Wow.
33:28 Speaker 00 Every 16 year old thinks he's gonna be a pro athlete, a rock and roll star, an astronaut. You know, so you could go in there and say, I'm gonna do this. Golly gee, you know, and
33:40 Speaker 00 Any little spark was enough to think that you could go to the next level and the next level, next level. I was then fortunate enough that by 2021, I did write the song and knock on the DJ's booth and the creative guy in me said, how to get a record deal, how to then hire a band. That was unique to, to the guy that was the harder worker.
34:05 Lewis Howes? Right.
34:06 Speaker 00 You know, cause you could go down in the Jersey Shore when cover bands were making $3,000 a night in 1979, 80, 81.
34:15 Lewis Howes? It's real money.
34:16 Speaker 00 We were making $100 in an original band to split between everybody, if you were lucky.
34:21 Lewis Howes? Wow.
34:21 Speaker 00 If you were lucky, if you were lucky, because oftentimes you'd play for free because it was original music. So I never made any money, but I didn't need it because I was 16, 17, 18. I was able to live at home.
34:32 Lewis Howes? Yeah.
34:33 Speaker 00 And for me, that, that, that is a big part of the success was right time, right place, born at a certain time, you know, it, it, not privileged, but food on the table, shoes on my feet and two parents and they were supportive, all good things.
34:58 Lewis Howes? Yeah.
34:59 Speaker 00 So all of those things helped.
35:01 Lewis Howes? Yeah, of course. You sound, the way you're explaining yourself, you know, not the best at all these different things, but the hardest worker, you kind of sound like the Tom Brady of rock and roll. You know, it's like, you're like the Tom Brady of rock, you're like not the best at all these things, but you, you wield yourself to become the best and championship after championship after championship. I don't know if that resonates with you at all, bud.
35:23 Speaker 00 It does resonate with me because Tom, Kobe, LeBron, you know, guys of, of this era, that, that's kind of the work ethic that I.
35:34 Lewis Howes? Yeah.
35:36 Speaker 00 Think that I have or always had.
35:38 Lewis Howes? Uh huh.
35:41 Speaker 00 You know, yeah, yeah.
35:44 Lewis Howes? Yeah, I mean, we had Kobe, I got to interview Kobe on the show before he passed and just learned so much from him in that short interview.
35:53 Lewis Howes? You know, I know you have a relationship, a lot of the great athletes, you owned a sports team at one point, an arena football team, but I think you said you have a relationship with Tom as well, or you've
36:01 Speaker 00 Sure.
36:02 Lewis Howes? interacted with him over the years.
36:03 Speaker 00 Sure.
36:03 Lewis Howes? What would you say is the greatest, you know, thing you learned from Tom Brady about how he pursued his craft and how it applied to your craft?
36:12 Speaker 00 I, I, I've observed Tom closely, and I would like to think that I could call him my friend. I mean, he's been to, you know, my house many times and, you know, I go to practices and we talk on the phone and stuff, so.
36:28 Speaker 00 Here's a guy that's, you know, much younger than me that I'm learning from.
36:31 Lewis Howes? Wow.
36:32 Speaker 00 Which I really appreciate too, because, you know, 199 in the sixth round and all that kind of stuff, and the audacity to tell Mr. Crafty I'm the best thing you've ever done, and, and to, to have a coach like Belichick, you know, on him and, and never giving him all the accolades he could have easily, you know, let go to his own head, kept him working. But I think that we carried that, being from New Jersey, as a band for the longest time. It was like, even with the accolades, we'll show you, and like Dorothy would say that I would just will things.
37:13 Lewis Howes? Yeah.
37:13 Speaker 00 And, and by sheer will,
37:18 Speaker 00 people would follow you if you led by example. And I didn't ask, you know, that,
37:25 Speaker 00 that this had to be this way, or, you know, my way or the highway, but nobody ever said, I'm out of here because of hard work.
37:31 Lewis Howes? Uh huh.
37:32 Speaker 00 You know, they, they just.
37:35 Speaker 00 Did everything to and gave everything they had to. Don't think for a moment that Richie and David and Tico didn't give everything they had. Cause they did.
37:44 Lewis Howes? Yeah.
37:45 Speaker 00 Yeah, they did.
37:47 Lewis Howes? You have this amazing quote in the docu-series that I want to just read back to you that you said. At 25, all I was thinking about was fun and success.
37:56 Speaker 00 Yeah.
37:57 Lewis Howes? At 30, I got married and looked at success differently. By 40, start to measure if you accomplished what you set out to. By 50, you start to think about a legacy. By 60, as the Chinese proverb says, you are the man you're meant to be. So at 60, when I look back, did I become the man I wanted to be? I'm curious, do you feel like you've become that?
38:21 Speaker 00 I think it's a work in progress.
38:25 Speaker 00 But I'm not disappointed by anything that I've done. And I've had very few regrets, which I'm really proud to be able to say.
38:33 Lewis Howes? Yeah.
38:34 Speaker 00 You know, I've had loss, I've had physical ailments. I've had victories and I've had defeats. But I'm very proud of the legacy thus far.
38:45 Lewis Howes? Yeah.
38:46 Speaker 00 I haven't done anything to it up. You know, as I said, I'm only here to sell the truth.
38:51 Lewis Howes? Yeah.
38:52 Speaker 00 And it's blemished, but it's, it's, it's real.
38:59 Lewis Howes? If you could go back, you know, to your, your younger self in your twenties or early thirties. And you could only give yourself three pieces of advice. And you know, everything that you know now. You're just going back in time and you're speaking to your younger self, late twenties, early thirties. With everything that you've experienced, what three things would you say to that younger John?
39:24 Speaker 00 I think there's, I don't even know that there's three. I would say take time to enjoy it more.
39:31 Speaker 00 Don't lose faith in yourself even when you feel like you're maybe down for the last time, you know, and the eight count is going to nine. And to believe in the power of we.
39:50 Speaker 00 I think that those three things is probably what I would say.
39:54 Lewis Howes? If you could jump in time thirty years from now and imagine you would get to accomplish everything and live the life that you want to live for the next thirty years. And just imagine you're in that state of wisdom. What three pieces of advice would you give your younger self as you are today? From that future self, if that makes sense?
40:18 Speaker 00 Well, ninety, looking back on sixty, um, you know, I guess I would probably say, did you
40:25 Speaker 00 live up to the
40:28 Speaker 00 the code that you set, you know, for yourself and for others and now for the next generation? So with my kids.
40:38 Speaker 00 You know, that if I could
40:41 Speaker 00 see them becoming
40:46 Speaker 00 members of society that were contributing something positively, then that will have been a victory. Because it's not about fame or fortune or anything else that goes with it. I think it goes back to, did you leave something behind worthy of having been here?
41:04 Lewis Howes? Wow.
41:04 Speaker 00 So that to me right now, as I sit here and I think about where my kids are because they're all grown. I'm not thinking about me anymore. I sort of feel like I've
41:15 Speaker 00 I've achieved the highest highs. What I hope with this record and this film is that it's going to say, hey, good mile marker, the fortieth, and by the way, this new album's pretty darn good. But it's not going to be Slippery When Wet again, you know, I'm sixty-two years old. It's time for the next generation to have their Slippery When Wet. But I would like to think that my next Slippery When Wet could be, you know, did my kids make any kind of contributions to?
41:47 Speaker 00 To the world.
41:48 Lewis Howes? Wow.
41:48 Speaker 00 That would be neat.
41:49 Lewis Howes? That's beautiful. What is, uh, being a father tell you about life?
41:55 Speaker 00 You don't know shit.
41:58 Speaker 00 Man, from the minute that we wa- I remember, you know, our first child was our daughter and I didn't have sisters, let alone a baby. When the door closed on that first night, we were like, there's no owner's manual that comes with this.
42:17 Lewis Howes? Wow.
42:17 Speaker 00 So you figure it all out. Okay. Step at a time and you get it and you work hard at it. And with every child and then with every chapter of every child, the playbook changed.
42:29 Lewis Howes? Wow.
42:30 Speaker 00 And with their girls to boys and then toddlers to teens and then teens to adults and adults getting married, nobody told me about these chapters in the book. And I'm like, you would think that by now, somebody would have warned me about these chapters. But no one had told me about these chapters. And they're, they're all different. So, you know, we're just trying to navigate it. And, and now all my friends that are my age go, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Didn't we tell you? I'm like, fuck you, man.
43:10 Speaker 00 No, you didn't tell me.
43:12 Lewis Howes? What is a, um, a lyric from one of your songs that you've written? That really speaks to you of your season of life right now?
43:21 Speaker 00 Oh, my God.
43:25 Speaker 00 You're catching me off guard. I'm not usually good at this, but there's no-
43:28 Lewis Howes? There's a song on the new album. It's called Hollow Man. And it says, what do you sing when the song's been sung?
43:37 Speaker 00 Eh.
43:41 Speaker 00 Who do you fight when the war is won? Oh.
43:45 Speaker 00 What do you write when your book is done? Wow. What do you sing when the song's been sung? Here I am, the Hollow Man, telling stories about the promise of a promised land. I feel like a cheap bouquet of flowers in a one night stand.
43:59 Speaker 00 With my heart in my hand, I am Hollow Man. And it just- Wow. It's saying, I'm an empty vessel. I'm here, looking up at the sky and saying, okay, Lord, what's next? Wow. You know, and so that's just a song on the new-
44:15 Lewis Howes? That's on the new album, that's, uh, that comes out-
44:18 Speaker 00 June 7th.
44:19 Lewis Howes? June 7th.
44:20 Speaker 00 Wow. Yeah, Hollow Man's a story of me today.
44:25 Lewis Howes? Did you find an answer to that?
44:28 Speaker 00 No, I'm living it.
44:33 Speaker 00 Every day is an opportunity to write a song, but I don't often, you know, take every day as an, and turn it on. And as a matter of fact, I, at times have to turn it off and just acknowledge that it'll be there next time I want to turn the faucet on. But because it becomes so overwhelming, if you run the course of a cycle, like with the joy that I've found with this record,
45:02 Speaker 00 it was time to say, okay, it's being repetitive, it's time to shut off the faucet. Okay, now here's a new album, it's called Forever. These lessons won't be manifest, they're manifested, but they won't be fully learned for the next two years. Wow. And then I'll look back on them, and then I'll know where I was.
45:20 Lewis Howes? That's some art for you. You know, forty, four decades plus of doing music, you've had to kind of like reinvent your identity almost every decade or every couple of albums or every few years,
45:35 Lewis Howes? while keeping, you know, your roots, but innovating, you know, music and things like that.
45:43 Lewis Howes? But recently you went through surgery on your vocal cords. And it's throughout the documentary series when people can watch it. And, you know, I can relate to this in my own way of being an athlete.
45:56 Speaker 00 Right, you can.
45:57 Lewis Howes? And getting injured.
45:58 Speaker 00 Right.
45:58 Lewis Howes? And my whole identity, my entire life being tied into.
46:03 Speaker 00 Good, let's talk about this.
46:04 Lewis Howes? Being talented and being valuable and being able to use my skillsets to go make something happen of my dreams and my vision, right? But then when I got injured.
46:14 Speaker 00 Right.
46:15 Lewis Howes? Playing in a sport that you were an owner of, of another team, playing arena football. That vision of my identity and my future became shattered, literally and emotionally and spiritually. And it was a year and a half of recovery and trying to figure out, okay, what do I do next? Who am I of this next season of life? What is my next chapter? What is my next song? What is my next play if I'm not able to play that game anymore?
46:41 Speaker 00 Mm-hmm.
46:42 Lewis Howes? In your journey of, you know, your vocal cords not being the exact same in your twenties at sixty, how have you mentally and emotionally dealt with the identity shifts and changes as an artist and as a man?
46:59 Speaker 00 You and I were talking off camera about that period between when you stopped playing the game that you loved and determining that you were going to be here, which probably was not in the cards.
47:11 Lewis Howes? Was not.
47:11 Speaker 00 In two thousand eight.
47:13 Lewis Howes? Was not.
47:13 Speaker 00 You never dreamt of this. But I'm going to guesstimate that you're pretty satisfied with where you are right now.
47:19 Lewis Howes? Very satisfied.
47:19 Speaker 00 So look at that.
47:20 Lewis Howes? And it needed to happen in order for me to get on this trajectory.
47:23 Speaker 00 The obstacle is the way, right?
47:25 Lewis Howes? Exactly.
47:27 Speaker 00 And, um, and I get that.
47:31 Speaker 00 I trust there was a period of mourning for you.
47:34 Lewis Howes? Big time.
47:35 Speaker 00 Right?
47:36 Lewis Howes? Big time.
47:36 Speaker 00 Because from the time you were eight until you were twenty.
47:39 Lewis Howes? Yeah, twenty-three, twenty-four, yeah.
47:40 Speaker 00 Three, four. You were identified by the game.
47:43 Lewis Howes? Yes.
47:44 Speaker 00 And then there comes that mourning and confusion.
47:49 Speaker 00 I haven't had to quit doing what I'm doing, nor would I ever have to stop writing a song or making a record. But if I chose not to go out and tour again because I couldn't be at that level I am accustomed to performing at, I do wonder how I'll behave. Interesting. But I haven't come to that crossroad. I hope you don't have to. I hope I don't have to either. If, God forbid, that is my future, the one thing I will know is I've exhausted every possible way. Right. Back onto the playing field at the level that I'm accustomed to playing at. So when Kobe had the injury, when Tommy had the injury,
48:33 Speaker 00 when Michael Strain ripped his back off of his chest, you know, when every athlete goes through this, the question is, okay, I can get back on the playing field. Can I play in the Super Bowl? You know, can I win again? At the level of what I'm capable of, yeah. And I don't know the answer. So I'm a work in progress. How is that uncertainty? How are you dealing with that right now? It's better than it was because I'm a really analytical guy when it comes down to it. And I look at pictures of the chords and the progress and I'm optimistic about it. Of your actual? Yeah, I see them all the time. So you see there's improvement? Yeah. But if if it's not up to speed,
49:16 Speaker 00 let's say this, you know, and I hate to even put it out in the world. Yeah, yeah. That I don't tour. I could promise you, Louis, that I will be able to say I did do it at the highest level. Wow. For the longest time. And I'm good with that. Because one thing that I know that I've told myself there since I was 25 was I will never be on the Where Are They Now Tour, you know, playing in the train station at the, you know, diner in the buffet on Friday evening. It's just not going to happen. So I will be more than okay with that aspect. You'd be at peace if you don't get to tour again. If I don't have, if I don't have the opportunity,
50:01 Speaker 00 which I really would enjoy the opportunity.
50:06 Speaker 00 I'll live with it. Because I'm still capable of writing a record. I'm still capable of recording a record.
50:13 Lewis Howes? That's cool.
50:13 Speaker 00 I just need to be able to do two and a half hours a night, four nights a week. And if, God forbid, that doesn't happen, I can, I can absolutely positively guarantee you, you will never see me giving 50%. That's, that's out of the question.
50:30 Lewis Howes? Wow. Well, I hope the world gets to see you perform on stage again. And if you're coming to LA, I gotta go. So I'm gonna find a way to get there for sure. And check it out. I've only got about five more minutes with you to be respectful of your time.
50:46 Lewis Howes? And I want people to watch this docu-series. It's called Thank You, Good Night: The Bon Jovi Story. It's on Hulu. So make sure you guys go watch this. It's fascinating. If you love art, if you love music, if you love John, if you love just creativity, you know, ups and downs of success stories, you're gonna love this series. So make sure you, you watch this. And if you really wanna study your mind and the vision that you had and the drive that you had to will your vision into existence. It is a beautiful story. So make sure you watch this. Even if you don't like music, you'll be inspired by this story and your vision of bringing
51:30 Lewis Howes? your heart and putting it on for the world to see. So I really am inspired by that. You got the new album as well, June 7th, that people can get. What's the best place for them to get that?
51:41 Speaker 00 It's streamed everywhere these days. Press a button.
51:43 Lewis Howes? Okay.
51:43 Speaker 00 You know, so any Spotify and Amazon and everybody's gonna have it.
51:48 Lewis Howes? Awesome. Before I ask the final couple of questions, what else can we do to be of service to you today?
51:54 Speaker 00 I don't know, unless you have a magical mystery cure for the high Cs of the vocal cords.
52:02 Lewis Howes? One of the things that you do, which I think is really cool as well, is you're, you're all about service. You've got a charitable foundation as well. You wanna give back. So many things you'll see in the docu-series about you wanting to be of service with your music, with your platform, with your fame. And, and I think that's really cool. So people can learn more about that as well.
52:22 Lewis Howes? This, this question, uh, final two questions. This one is called the three truths. So I've already asked you a couple hypothetical questions, but this is another one for you. Um, imagine you do get to live as long as you want to live. You get to keep performing as long as you want to perform. You get to do it all. You see your kids grow up even more, all the different things that happen in life. Um, but for whatever reason, it's your last day on earth, many years away. Live as long as you want. And in this hypothetical scenario, you have to take all of your music with you. You have to take all of your writing with you. This conversation is no longer here. Any piece of content you've put out into this world, it goes with you. It's a hypothetical scenario.
53:01 Speaker 00 It goes with you.
53:02 Lewis Howes? It goes with you, or it's just not.
53:03 Speaker 00 You take it with you?
53:04 Lewis Howes? You take it with you, or it's not in this world. It goes somewhere else. We don't have access to it.
53:08 Speaker 00 Okay.
53:08 Lewis Howes? Hypothetical. Um, so we don't get to hear your music anymore.
53:13 Speaker 00 Okay.
53:14 Lewis Howes? But on this last day, you get to leave behind three truths. And that's what we do get to keep from you are these three lessons.
53:24 Lewis Howes? They could be lyrics from a song. It could be something on your heart right now. It could be something simple, something, whatever it might be. But if it's the last day and you only get to share three lessons with the world. Three truths, what would those three truths be for you?
53:39 Speaker 00 Wow.
53:45 Speaker 00 Live your truths.
53:49 Speaker 00 Without compromise.
53:56 Speaker 00 Be of service.
54:04 Speaker 00 And take the time.
54:09 Speaker 00 To.
54:15 Speaker 00 See the world around you to, to, to
54:20 Speaker 00 be one with the world around you. You know, see the clouds in the sky, see that the sun is shining. See that the waves are crashing, see that the traffic is rolling by. You know, just take the time to smell the roses.
54:38 Speaker 00 Yeah, that's really important. Too many of us run through life missing every sign of what was there for your pleasure. And so many of us were all self
54:54 Speaker 00 absorbed and consumed and didn't serve anything other than self. And so many of us lived a false life of
55:05 Speaker 00 what others wanted us to do and be. And I think that all of those things are just a waste of this moment in time that we were all given here.
55:16 Lewis Howes? Well, before I ask the final question, John, I would acknowledge you again for being of service to humanity through your talent, your art and your heart. And, um, you know, I love what you just said about not making it all about self, but also making it about service. And I think that's a beautiful life. So I want to acknowledge you for speaking that and sharing that with people because I think a lot of people today just want to be successful and be famous and make it about them. Uh, so I think it's really cool that you're making it about service and that's one of your truths.
55:52 Lewis Howes? My final question for you, John, you, you answered this a little bit earlier, but I'd love to hear if it's evolved. Uh, what is your definition of greatness?
56:01 Speaker 00 Boy, with my brain spinning in my head. Um, what is my definition of greatness? Greatness?
56:13 Speaker 00 Is being comfortable in your own skin.
56:21 Speaker 00 Greatness is
56:26 Speaker 00 leaving something that
56:30 Speaker 00 is worthy behind.
56:32 Lewis Howes? Yeah.
56:33 Speaker 00 I think I'll just leave it there. John, thanks so much for
56:37 Lewis Howes? Thanks, Louis.
56:37 Speaker 00 Appreciate it, man.
56:38 Lewis Howes? This was a joy. I hope you enjoyed today's episode and it inspired you on your journey towards greatness. Make sure to check out the show notes in the description for a full rundown of today's episode with all the important links. And if you want weekly exclusive bonus episodes with me personally, as well as ad free listening, then make sure to subscribe to our Greatness Plus channel exclusively on Apple Podcasts. Share this with a friend on social media and leave us a review on Apple Podcasts as well. Let me know what you enjoyed about this episode in that review. I really love hearing feedback from you and it helps us figure out how we can support and serve you moving forward. And I want to remind you, if no one has told you lately, that you are loved, you are worthy, and you matter.
57:21 Lewis Howes? And now it's time to go out there and do something great.
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