I Was a Champion on the Field and Broken at Home | Terry Bradshaw

Terry Bradshaw is a Pro Football Hall of Fame quarterback for the Pittsburgh Steelers and a longtime host of Fox NFL Sunday. He argues that lasting change begins when a person accepts that the common factor in repeated failures is himself and speaks openly about depression. The conversation covers his memoir Looking for Terry, his ADD diagnosis after retirement, years of counseling, and a self-honesty exercise he calls mirror evaluation.

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

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• 2:58Lewis Howes?

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• 3:43Lewis Howes?

  There's nothing more powerful than hope. That's Terry Bradshaw, a man who won four Super Bowls and still had to fight his way back from three divorces, cancer twice in the same year, and a depression he didn't even fully understand until his 40s. And if you've ever felt like the world only sees your highlight reel, the wins, the title, the trophies, while you're quietly falling apart behind it, then this episode is for you. Because Terry's proof that success doesn't protect you from pain, and that getting hit isn't the story, getting back up is. In this episode, you're going to hear Terry get honest about therapy, faith, learning to say no without guilt, and why hope was

• 4:26Lewis Howes?

  the only thing that pulled him through when nothing else could. Terry Bradshaw is a pro football Hall of Famer, four-time Super Bowl champion with the Pittsburgh Steelers, longtime host of NFL Fox Sunday, and author of the new memoir, Looking for Terry. My name is Lewis Howes. This is The School of Greatness, and let's welcome Terry Bradshaw. When was the season of your life, and maybe it's now, but when is the season of your life you were the most confident in yourself? And when was the season of life where you were the least confident?

• 4:58Speaker 01

  Just as our human being, I would say in all areas of life. Well, the first thing that comes to mind is the player. I never was supremely confident as a quarterback in the NFL.

• 5:08Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 5:08Speaker 01

  I always had fear. I was always scared of losing. I hate that feeling. I mean, I watch these guys today. I watch the Peyton Mannings and the John Elwes and the Stalbacks that are just, you can just see it. You can see Joe Burrow in Cincinnati. You can see Allen in Buffalo, Matthew Stafford with the Rams. You can see, you just watch them. They're just filled with confidence. And I was always afraid of losing. I just say to myself, you know, I don't think I have had this conversation hundreds of times with

• 5:52Speaker 01

  myself. I lost my throw-in motion because of my confidence. And I went home and I tried to pick up and figure out how to rotate the football. I mean, I lost all of that.

• 6:06Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 6:06Speaker 01

  I basically started over.

• 6:08Lewis Howes?

  Interesting.

• 6:09Speaker 01

  Yeah. And it was such a struggle. I worked, I worked on it my entire career. It was just in college, I just, the pros, I guess, all the negative and afraid to make mistakes. You internalize everything. I can't make a mistake. I'm calling a pass. Oh, you gotta complete this pass. If you don't complete this pass, then you might not be able to throw another, you know. It was crazy, man. I hate telling, you know what? I hate saying that because it's like, oh, come on, Dan, you, you did all these Super Bowls. Yeah.

• 6:51Speaker 01

  I'm proud of the fact that I had all these struggles and I've yet to play, you know, but God, I just.

• 6:56Lewis Howes?

  What do you, what do you think you would have been had you had more confidence in yourself, even though you excelled so well? You won four Super Bowls being afraid.

• 7:04Speaker 01

  Right.

• 7:05Lewis Howes?

  But where do you think you would be if you were fearless and had all the confidence in the world like these guys today that you're talking about?

• 7:11Speaker 01

  Well, I will say this, confidence as a player or the guy that can handle the situation, I did get that, but I still struggled. I threw with a finger on the tip of the ball, which is wrong. I tried everything in the world to get my hand off the tip. Cause the more skin you have on a football, the better you'll throw it, the better you'll control it, the more accurate it'll be. I knew that, but I practiced and I just, it would not, it didn't, if we'd have had, if we'd have had quarterback clinics and quarterback gurus back in my day, I would have gone to them to change it and they could have helped me. And I'd have been so much more accurate, you know, and so much more control. And my,

• 7:53Speaker 01

  my whole process wasn't getting hit or even coverages. Mine was one, is the, is the timing gonna be right? Cause I'm throwing a ball in the Super Bowl 14. I threw a pass to a guy wide open. That ball came out of my hand. Crazy. That shouldn't, that doesn't happen. That shouldn't happen. It drives, it just drove me nuts. But playing in big games, it didn't bother me. I love, I know, even though I had my, my demons on the inside, you know, with control of the football. And I mean, I threw for over 300 yards in that game. So, but also threw three interceptions.

• 8:39Lewis Howes?

  So what would you say is the season you've been most confident in your life? Is it when you're playing football at some point? Is it, you know, is in the last 20 years?

• 8:47Speaker 01

  No, I, that's, it's now.

• 8:49Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 8:49Speaker 01

  It's now. I'm, when I quit playing football, I, I got a book coming out, Looking for Terry.

• 8:57Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 8:57Speaker 01

  In that book, in that book, you, you go through, everything you've asked me, we've talked about are things that I discuss. And I think, I'm not the only one in the world. I've had millions of people are doing what I'm doing. And I'm good at talking. And I'm a good communicator. I know that. And I'm not bragging, I'm not being vain here. I mean, I am, I, I love to tell stories.

• 9:25Lewis Howes?

  Yep.

• 9:28Speaker 01

  I'm very honest. I'm very truthful. But that's why you say, but wait a minute, you, you won four Super Bowls. How could you have trouble? Well, I'm telling you, I'm not asking you to believe me. I'm just telling you, you didn't see it, but I, I, I lived it.

• 9:42Lewis Howes?

  You experienced it, yeah.

• 9:43Speaker 01

  Yes. I never threw the ball in the NFL like I threw it in college. Never. Never. I know that. Nobody else knows it. I'm just telling you.

• 9:54Lewis Howes?

  Sure.

• 9:55Speaker 01

  Yeah. And it got along pretty good. As I, as I told the quarterback for Oklahoma, John Leter, he, they say, well, you gotta improve your completion percentage. You only completed 63% of your facets. I said, John, I completed 51.9% of my facets in the NFL.

• 10:14Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 10:15Speaker 01

  That's terrible. That's terrible. But right now, for sure, I'm doing exactly what God has prepared me to do. And that's talk.

• 10:26Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 10:27Speaker 01

  Talk, communicate, to share the good, the bad, the ugly, the beautiful. My wife gives me numbers. Cause I talk so much and I'm, I'm a people person. I'm sure you are too. That's why you do this podcast. And I love, I love people. I can't meet somebody and not find something about them.

• 10:51Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 10:51Speaker 01

  Grocery store. I don't care where I am. I, I have to know something. Hey, how you doing? Good to see you. What's your name? And you know, maybe you move on. Of course you're always moving on. When I got diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis and you swell up, you know, steroids, you put on weight and you're eating everything you can see. Well, I'm noticing I got these marks on my body, these fluid, because your socks cut your crease and you got a big deep crease. So we're in Hawaii, we're at Kmart buying stuff for our house. And everybody, hey Terry, how you doing? Terry, how's it going? Oh, hey, hey, hey. Yeah, you, you, you can tell I'm a little puffy, right? I put on a little weight, but I've got rheumatoid arthritis and

• 11:31Speaker 01

  I'm taking steroids and to find out what the blend's gonna be. So I'm, you know, I'm overweight right now. Oh, okay. Well, good to see you. Good to see you, man. Mexico. Hey Terry, how you doing? I'm all, I'm doing pretty good. As you can tell, I've, I've put on weight. I'm going through the same story. And my, my wife goes, honey, honey, honey, wait, wait, wait. What are you doing? What do you mean, what am I doing? I don't even know I'm doing it. You're telling everybody this, this, hey Terry, you're telling them you're, you know, you're on steroids. They don't care that you're on steroids. You're a puppy. They just recognize you.

• 12:02Lewis Howes?

  They're worth their.

• 12:03Speaker 01

  Trying to say hi. Get out. And I said, am I doing that? That she said, yes. I said, oh, honey, I am so sorry. I will not do, thank you so much.

• 12:14Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 12:14Speaker 01

  For bringing that to my attention. We get into the car. We drive across the highway to a magnificent Target. This Kmart was that good, big. This Target's bigger, got more stuff. So we drive into the parking lot. Go in, get our buggy, going down the aisle. Here comes this guy. Hey Terry, how you doing? How am I doing? Look, as you can tell, I'm, I'm, I'm a little puffy.

• 12:41Lewis Howes?

  You did it again.

• 12:42Speaker 01

  Oh, I, I, I've got rheumatoid arthritis and they're trying to find the right blend. I'm embarrassed. I'm about 50 pounds heavy.

• 12:50Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 12:51Speaker 01

  And I, you know, and I, you ready for this? Can I stand up?

• 12:55Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 12:55Speaker 01

  So I stand up and I pull my pants up and push my sock down.

• 13:02Lewis Howes?

  And show them.

• 13:03Speaker 01

  And I went, look, look at the, the, the crease from the, and while I'm done, it hits me. What I'm.

• 13:12Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 13:13Speaker 01

  Started, I started laughing.

• 13:15Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 13:16Speaker 01

  Man, I couldn't help myself. Look I'm doing right now. I'm embarrassed. And I just say, man, I'm just, I'm doing good. And I looked at her, she's just shaking her head. And I just said, why you do that? Why do you do that? You know, now I can't say goodbye. I, I see somebody, we're talking. And so her, her deal is now, three.

• 13:40Speaker 01

  And I'll keep talking and she'll go, five. And that's goodbyes. That's how many goodbyes I've gone through and haven't goodbyed.

• 13:50Lewis Howes?

  You're like my, you're like my, my wife is like that.

• 13:53Speaker 01

  Yeah. The other day she goes, seven.

• 13:58Lewis Howes?

  Say goodbye seven times and I'll leave it there.

• 14:00Speaker 01

  I just started laughing. They don't know what I'm laughing at. I'm laughing at her. She's like, oh.

• 14:05Lewis Howes?

  That's funny.

• 14:05Speaker 01

  Oh, it's real funny, but that, she gets a kick out of doing it.

• 14:08Lewis Howes?

  My, yeah, my wife, uh, from Mexico, her family, they say goodbye for like 30 minutes.

• 14:12Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 14:13Lewis Howes?

  And I'm like, you said goodbye, you hugged already. Leave, you know, it's like, or don't say goodbye.

• 14:19Speaker 01

  And I don't, why, why do we do that?

• 14:21Lewis Howes?

  Who knows?

• 14:22Speaker 01

  I mean, I.

• 14:23Lewis Howes?

  We don't want, we don't want to leave, you know, we like having a conversation. We, yeah, yeah.

• 14:27Speaker 01

  Something else, like you said, how you, how, hey, didn't you, how's your, did you went on the fishing trip? How's that go? Oh, really? You know, I went on, three. Wow. You still with, Sam's still working, really? And you just.

• 14:39Lewis Howes?

  Keep going. Yeah.

• 14:42Speaker 01

  Hey, thanks. Hey, but when I went down to my ankle.

• 14:45Lewis Howes?

  You started to realize, yeah, yeah.

• 14:48Speaker 01

  Louis, I broke up laughing like you've never seen in your life. It's embarrassing.

• 14:55Lewis Howes?

  That's amazing. Well, at least you're aware of it though. That's good. If you've got someone to support you with that.

• 14:59Speaker 01

  I know.

• 15:00Lewis Howes?

  Um, what is the difference between the persona that you've kind of created over the years versus what people really see behind the scenes?

• 15:09Speaker 01

  There is, um, definitely parts of your personality that you kind of push aside, depending on what you're doing. You'll say, well, this, this is not going to work here. I don't want them to see this, whatever. I am, I'm an engaging, curious

• 15:32Speaker 01

  guy who likes to laugh, have fun. And I don't necessarily, I don't dislike it, but I don't necessarily get into the deep, dark stuff, which we all have.

• 15:49Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 15:51Speaker 01

  So in doing interviews, my goal today with you or anybody that is interviewing me, I want to be this, I want this to be the most enjoyable interview you've ever had. I want to do everything I can to make this work.

• 16:05Lewis Howes?

  Mm-hmm.

• 16:06Speaker 01

  So that, that is not pretending. That's, that's real. But I think we all, Louis, I think we all hold back. Some of us.

• 16:16Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 16:17Speaker 01

  I try, if you ask me a tough question,

• 16:23Speaker 01

  a personal, I'm gonna answer it. I'm never gonna tell you, um, I don't want to talk about that. I'm never going to be rude to you. I'm gonna answer your question. And then later, after I see the interview, I may go, oh, man, I wish I hadn't have said that.

• 16:42Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 16:43Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. I embarrass myself. I think sometimes my antics are a little silly, goofy. Um, where, while I might think that I'm entertaining or being fun, and in some cases I am. In a lot of cases I am. Then in other times, I'm, I'm like, you know, I wish I hadn't have done that. Cause I don't, I think that's one of the reasons I don't like to, to watch myself. Cause I embarrass myself. You know, I embarrass myself and

• 17:18Speaker 01

  I don't mind that be, I don't mind that being me, what you're gonna get.

• 17:24Speaker 01

  But I don't necessarily want to watch it.

• 17:26Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 17:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:27Lewis Howes?

  Is there something where you feel maybe you feel embarrassed by watching yourself or you feel shame or you feel like?

• 17:33Speaker 01

  Shame. Well, not, not shame. I, I'm a little embarrassed because you can be too much of anything.

• 17:41Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 17:42Speaker 01

  Um, you can go over the top. You can, your personality, since I'm, I don't call myself an alpha male.

• 17:53Speaker 01

  Um, but I, I'm smart enough now in the job that I have not to be an alpha male. I, I am smart enough to drop down and let everybody else go and not try to say, oh yeah, let me tell you what happened to me and keep mine out of it.

• 18:15Lewis Howes?

  Mm-hmm.

• 18:17Speaker 01

  I enjoy that part of me. I'll, in other words, I don't have to dominate the conversation in a group of people. I'm, like I told you earlier, I like to listen.

• 18:26Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 18:26Speaker 01

  I like to be entertained. But I do, I am, I'm, I'm very much aware that my personality can wear people out.

• 18:35Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 18:35Speaker 01

  And I don't like that part of me. When I'm giving speeches, for instance, I love, when I get on a roll, I love creating and making people laugh.

• 18:47Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 18:48Speaker 01

  You know?

• 18:49Lewis Howes?

  And once you hear that first laugh, keeping it going, right? So.

• 18:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, it inspires you. I had a, I had a boss one time tell me, you can't be funny on TV. You're gonna lose your credibility.

• 19:06Speaker 01

  And I remember telling him, how, how am I gonna lose my credibility? I, I won four Super Bowls. They gonna take them away?

• 19:14Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 19:14Speaker 01

  And I think what the point is, if you're in a leadership position, you're not supposed to be funny. You're not supposed to be engaging. You're supposed to be serious, serious, serious. And I can be serious. And I am serious. And I don't have a problem with that. It's just that I prefer that part of my life, not, you know, in like, in my business with my horses and my cattle and my speech, I'm serious. But at the same time, I'm engaging.

• 19:45Lewis Howes?

  Mm-hmm.

• 19:46Speaker 01

  You know, with the people I work with, the people that come to buy stuff from us, I'm engaging. I want them to feel welcome. I want them to feel at ease. And I think a warm personality and a warm smile and a chuckle here and there, I think that's good business.

• 19:58Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 19:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:03Lewis Howes?

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• 22:57Speaker 01

  Twenty-two, 23 years.

• 22:59Lewis Howes?

  23 years.

• 23:00Speaker 01

  23 years.

• 23:00Lewis Howes?

  I'm curious, what is the thing that you love the most about your wife that has made the greatest impact in your life in the last 23?

• 23:06Speaker 01

  Okay, let me tell you this. Let me just say this to everybody. I am a product of three divorces, okay? Am I proud of that? Absolutely not. Now, you said ashamed earlier. I am ashamed that I've been divorced three times, or once, or twice, whatever.

• 23:28Speaker 01

  That is not something, certainly that I'm proud, that I'm proud of. I grew up in a Baptist family, Christian family. You get married once, okay?

• 23:41Speaker 01

  I got divorced, and I'll never forget my preacher telling me I was going to hell.

• 23:46Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 23:46Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 23:47Lewis Howes?

  That doesn't feel good.

• 23:48Speaker 01

  No, it did not. And so I never went back to that church.

• 23:51Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 23:52Speaker 01

  It's not that I was looking for someone to say it's okay to get divorced. I wasn't trying to find someone that agreed with me. I just didn't think, according to my study of the scriptures, that I was going to hell because God will forgive you, right?

• 24:06Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 24:07Speaker 01

  But I'm not proud of it. Now, here's the thing I am proud of, if this makes sense. It does to me, maybe not to our viewer, is that, once I got divorced a third time,

• 24:22Speaker 01

  it finally dawned on me, it's not them.

• 24:26Lewis Howes?

  No, it's not the people you're telling.

• 24:29Speaker 01

  It's not the women.

• 24:30Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 24:30Speaker 01

  It's me.

• 24:31Lewis Howes?

  Interesting.

• 24:32Speaker 01

  Now, why am I marrying the same woman three times? So, I went about finding out why.

• 24:43Speaker 01

  And once I, once I believe I understood why, and was, and realized that in counseling, I needed to break the cycle.

• 24:53Lewis Howes?

  What was that cycle?

• 24:55Speaker 01

  All the three women were all alike. Nothing wrong with that. It just wasn't for me.

• 25:00Lewis Howes?

  And it wasn't about them, it was about what you were choosing.

• 25:03Speaker 01

  Me, yeah. And I had to learn about me.

• 25:08Lewis Howes?

  Interesting.

• 25:09Speaker 01

  All right? I had this, I had to look into a mirror. I used to use this in speeches and I do. And when I get to thinking about it, it doesn't really apply. And it makes sense. I call it mirror economics, but it's really mirror evaluation, where you honestly are in a room by yourself, all right? And you're looking at a mirror. Nobody, and everybody you in that mirror. Now, what do you see?

• 25:37Speaker 01

  Let's go. So you start talking to yourself, oh, my right ear's bigger than my left ear. I got some stomach, I got a big stomach. My eyes are deep set. I'm a little bit bow-legged. I'm this, I'm that, I'm this, I'm that. Physically, I'm just, I'm going through everything about me, but this is good. I have a nice kneecap.

• 26:00Speaker 01

  I got nice legs. My wife's always so, boy, you have great legs. Okay. Oh, I do have, I got a nice leg. So you, good and bad, but you're brutally honest, brutally honest. Now, how important is, how important is it to me to take the negatives and try to make them a positive? I know I got the good stuff. Now I gotta work on the bad stuff. And I think through counseling and going to counseling, I am attracted, basic, I don't want to say this wrong because I'm married to an awesome woman who I love madly, but I was attracted to the wrong thing. The wrong thing appealed to me.

• 26:38Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 26:38Speaker 01

  Deep inside, it was the wrong thing. No, nothing against the women.

• 26:43Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 26:43Speaker 01

  Absolutely nothing against them. It's me. And that's okay. At least I know now. And what I needed was what I have. And it took me a while to figure it out. I needed a friend.

• 27:00Speaker 01

  I needed someone that I wanted to spend all my time with. Can you imagine?

• 27:07Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 27:08Speaker 01

  Spend all your time with a woman?

• 27:12Speaker 01

  All the time? I needed someone that I could talk to, who didn't judge me.

• 27:19Lewis Howes?

  Interesting.

• 27:19Speaker 01

  And ridicule me. And I needed a woman that made an effort to study and understand me, and not take face value, and then take the negative and go, well, I can't handle this. Instead saying, why is he acting like that? Why is he this? Why is he that? Is this, is this a deal breaker? Okay, let's talk about it. My wife makes me talk about stuff I don't want to talk about. A lot of men don't want to talk about a lot of stuff. And I didn't want to talk about it. And then finally, I'll go, okay.

• 27:56Speaker 01

  All right, here's the deal. And I'll dump it out. And she'll say, okay, all right? And then we talk about it.

• 28:04Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 28:04Speaker 01

  I met, fell in love with my buddy. Now, here's the great thing about my wife. I couldn't do the normal courting thing. Took me over a year, year and a half to tell her I loved her. I went about to tell her I loved her.

• 28:18Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 28:19Speaker 01

  Wasn't about to do that.

• 28:20Lewis Howes?

  No.

• 28:22Speaker 01

  But to, to answer your question.

• 28:26Lewis Howes?

  The thing you love the most about her, yeah.

• 28:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, the most I love about her is that she's such an awesome lady in every aspect. She's, being a Christian, she loves, she loves her Lord, which is awesome. She loves her kids. She loves my kids. My kids put her through hell.

• 28:45Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 28:45Speaker 01

  And she's right there for her.

• 28:47Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 28:47Speaker 01

  Yeah. Old daddy's daughters. Nobody's good enough on my daddy.

• 28:51Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 28:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, and she's right there. And she's just, you know, I, God finally gave me my match. And you know what's great? You know what's great, Louis? I don't ever get, I don't ever, ever get mad at her, disagree with her.

• 29:09Speaker 01

  Occasionally have raised my voice and immediately, but nothing's, nothing has ever happened where I say, I gotta get out of this. I'm not, I'm not going for this. Meh, you know what? Okay, great. But she, I mean, she's my best friend. I never thought I'd say this, ever in my life. Who's my favorite golf partner? She is. I don't play golf without her.

• 29:33Lewis Howes?

  Wow, really?

• 29:34Speaker 01

  No, I don't play. I haven't played a round of golf in probably 12, 14 years that she's not there.

• 29:40Lewis Howes?

  Really? You don't go do like a guys' trip or guys' golf?

• 29:42Speaker 01

  Well, no, no guys' trips. I don't want a guys' trip.

• 29:46Lewis Howes?

  Right. I mean, like a golf charity event or something?

• 29:49Speaker 01

  Let me tell you something.

• 29:50Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 29:50Speaker 01

  Let me tell you about a guy trip, all right? You got a great marriage. Okay. So we've been married five years, six years. Everything's great. So this one morning, I wake up early, I make coffee. I get dressed.

• 30:11Speaker 01

  I go in to tell her, you know, I'm leaving. She says, where are you going? I said, well, I'm gonna run over to so-and-so, he's got a horse I wanna look at. Then I'm going over to so-and-so, they got a baby out of one of ours, I'm gonna go check on that. Then I'm gonna run by Mike's, and then, and then I'll be back this afternoon. So she goes, well, wait, now I'll get dressed and go with you. I said, no, no, I wanna go by myself.

• 30:40Speaker 01

  Broke her heart.

• 30:40Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 30:42Speaker 01

  So I kiss her and I go and get in my truck and it bothered me.

• 30:48Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 30:49Speaker 01

  I get in, I crank up, I go outside the ranch gates down, I get on the highway and I'm driving. And I can't stop thinking I hurt her. I exited, turned around, went back.

• 31:02Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 31:03Speaker 01

  Couldn't do it.

• 31:04Lewis Howes?

  Well.

• 31:05Speaker 01

  And I've never, I will never do that again.

• 31:08Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 31:11Speaker 01

  Why didn't I, what was I wanting? My man time?

• 31:14Lewis Howes?

  Right, right, right.

• 31:16Speaker 01

  I don't, I don't know, I don't want man time. I, I, I like, I like we time.

• 31:22Lewis Howes?

  Uh huh.

• 31:22Speaker 01

  I don't fly anywhere without her.

• 31:23Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 31:24Speaker 01

  I go nowhere without her. Nowhere.

• 31:28Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 31:28Speaker 01

  Every trip I'm on, she's on.

• 31:30Lewis Howes?

  Every work trip she comes?

• 31:31Speaker 01

  Every work trip. She, I turned all our businesses over to her because she's, she wanted to be a doctor. She's a radiologist. So she, very smart lady.

• 31:40Lewis Howes?

  Mm hmm.

• 31:40Speaker 01

  And she is super smart.

• 31:42Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 31:43Speaker 01

  And loving and kind.

• 31:45Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 31:45Speaker 01

  And I mean, she's my angel. I mean, I'm, I'm a lucky dude.

• 31:49Lewis Howes?

  What is the biggest lesson she's taught you over the last 23 years of marriage?

• 31:53Speaker 01

  This is the first thing that came in my mind, and it's true. She just said, it's okay to say no.

• 31:57Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 31:58Speaker 01

  And you just said it a while ago, your people pleaser. Oh, man, I don't want to do that, but he's a buddy.

• 32:03Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 32:04Speaker 01

  You know, and I don't want to do that. I did that two years ago and didn't enjoy it. So she said, she is, she has taught me it's okay to say no. I would say it's okay to say no.

• 32:18Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 32:18Speaker 01

  Don't worry about hurting people's feelings. And if you hurt their feelings, you know, it's okay.

• 32:23Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 32:24Speaker 01

  It's okay. And then you're happy. Why should I be unhappy, but you're happy?

• 32:30Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 32:30Speaker 01

  Why not let me be happy? So I think saying no, but I say no through her.

• 32:35Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 32:36Speaker 01

  You know, it's easy for me, hey, hey, Louis, would you go tell so and so?

• 32:39Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, of course.

• 32:41Speaker 01

  Excuse me while I go, yeah. So.

• 32:43Lewis Howes?

  She protects your energy. That's great. That's great.

• 32:45Speaker 01

  Yeah. And she, you know what? She good at it.

• 32:49Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. I, I had a lot of people pleaser in me growing up. I was also very driven as an athlete, you know?

• 32:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:55Lewis Howes?

  Football as well. And I was never as, half as good as you. I didn't win any Super Bowls or anything like that. But I was, I felt driven to achieve, to accomplish. And I also felt very insecure growing up. Like I wasn't smart in school.

• 33:09Speaker 01

  Right.

• 33:10Lewis Howes?

  Um, and didn't feel like I had a lot of friends growing up until later, later years, right? So I kind of brought on this persona of like, I need everyone to like me. I want to please people. I don't want to say no. I don't want to hurt people, things like that. And it got me feeling very resentful over many years. Resentable of myself, resentful of others. And I wouldn't say I went into a depression, but I definitely felt a lot of negative thinking for a long time. And I felt like I had a lot of suffering mentally and emotionally because of it. Until I learned how to, you know, do my own mirror test.

• 33:43Speaker 01

  Right.

• 33:43Lewis Howes?

  Start reflecting, start healing some of that. And then I created a lot more peace within myself.

• 33:48Speaker 01

  Well, you get a lot of guilt because people throw a lot of guilt on you.

• 33:51Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 33:51Speaker 01

  What do you mean?

• 33:52Lewis Howes?

  I received it.

• 33:53Speaker 01

  People put you in a position and you'll be happy with me, but I'm going to be miserable.

• 33:58Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 33:59Speaker 01

  And sometimes it's like, everybody knows this. Look, if they don't like it, get over it. You know, they're not your friend anyway. We, none of us have a lot of friends. None of us. None of us. Even family is not friendly.

• 34:15Lewis Howes?

  Mm hmm.

• 34:16Speaker 01

  And I think that's hard to deal with, especially if you're a kind-hearted, gentle giver, who loves to make everybody feel good and happy and so on and so forth. That when you say something negative, they go, well, how could you think of, they thought the world of you or something? My mother, when she died, I didn't, I didn't shed a tear. Now you don't think that into, that still bothers me. Why? Well, my dog died, James died. And I picked his casket up at the vet when I came off the plane and took it, put it in the backseat and I got in the car, uh, Tammy's sitting there and I just started bawling.

• 35:01Speaker 01

  Uncontrollably.

• 35:02Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 35:03Speaker 01

  Over a dog. All right. My mind will not let that event leave.

• 35:13Speaker 01

  Nobody did more for their mother. Nobody put up more from their mother. Uh, nobody tried to make her life better than I did.

• 35:30Speaker 01

  And nobody in our family was abused as much verbally as I was.

• 35:35Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 35:36Speaker 01

  And, and I think when my mother died, it was like, well, now I don't have to worry about, why haven't you called? Where did it, and, and I just don't need that. Well, I travel. Well, I hadn't seen you and da, da, da. Well, I'm gone all the time. Well, you just need to stay home. You don't need to be traveling that much. Well, I wanted to say, well, I got to travel that much because I got to make this money to pay for that house I just built you. Or buy that Mercedes Benz I just, I got to pay for all this stuff. I didn't say that.

• 36:06Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 36:07Speaker 01

  I say it now.

• 36:08Lewis Howes?

  You had the resentment in you though.

• 36:09Speaker 01

  It pissed me off.

• 36:11Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 36:11Speaker 01

  Why don't you just appreciate?

• 36:13Lewis Howes?

  Uh huh.

• 36:14Speaker 01

  Appreciate what I'm, what I'm, what I'm doing. I love you to death. That hasn't changed. But I don't know. I know, I don't know. And I haven't talked to a counselor about it, but it has bought, not a wife. It's, it certainly tried to help me with it.

• 36:27Lewis Howes?

  Sure.

• 36:28Speaker 01

  But when James, a dog died, a dog, and I boo hooed. And you know what it was? You know what I came to conclusion?

• 36:37Lewis Howes?

  What's that?

• 36:38Speaker 01

  That dog was so sweet to me.

• 36:39Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 36:41Speaker 01

  That dog was so loving. That dog was so kind. And I had nothing but love from that little puppy. I think love and kindness is what triggers me. That's why as a football player, Louis, my coach was hard on me.

• 36:59Lewis Howes?

  Mm hmm.

• 37:00Speaker 01

  I didn't like him.

• 37:03Lewis Howes?

  Talking about high school coach or college?

• 37:04Speaker 01

  High school coach, nah. That, that high school, they didn't give me a, high school was fine. Um, coaches were fine. They never screamed. They never belittled me or anything. College, I got nothing but love in college. My coach at the college was a guy that made me great.

• 37:20Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 37:21Speaker 01

  He was the one that lifted me up. You're the best. You're the best. You're the best. You don't worry about that. Don't worry about that. Don't care what they said. I'm telling you, you're, you could do things. And I'm just sitting there next to you. No, I believe in.

• 37:33Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 37:34Speaker 01

  And he elevated me. And I, if you're nice to me, kind to me, and I think anybody out there will say this, I'll do pretty much whatever I can for you.

• 37:46Lewis Howes?

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  and thoughtful-designed furniture. Find your next fall favorites at Quince. Download the Quince app for app-exclusive offers and go to quince.com/lewis. Get free shipping on your order and 365-day returns, now available in Canada and the UK too. That's Q U I N C E dot com slash Lewis. Which coaches were the ones that, where, that berated you? Was it when you got the pros, they were on top of you?

• 39:57Speaker 01

  On top of me? Chuck was the worst.

• 40:00Lewis Howes?

  Mm hmm.

• 40:01Speaker 01

  People didn't necessarily see it, but I spent all my time with him and he was tough. He never gave me, he never gave me confidence. He never, I never felt that he cared for me at all. Now, Mary Ann, his wife, might say, oh, you should have heard all the wonderful things. Well, that's great. He told you, he didn't tell me.

• 40:19Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 40:20Speaker 01

  I, you know, stopped me going through a hallway right before we go out on the field to play the Cleveland Browns. I'll never forget it. And he stopped me, put his hands on me. He said, you played bad in the first quarter. I'm pulling you. Okay, that's great. Thank you. I appreciate that. Like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna run through the wall for you.

• 40:38Lewis Howes?

  Hmm. Yeah.

• 40:40Speaker 01

  You know, just, I don't understand it.

• 40:46Speaker 01

  I played well, but you know, and I think Staubach and Landry may have been that way because I get these coaches don't want to get close to the players necessarily. Or at least let you know it because one day they got to tell you, hey, you're out of here.

• 41:01Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 41:01Speaker 01

  I get that. I understand that. But at the quarterback, um, I didn't need the negatives.

• 41:09Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 41:10Speaker 01

  You know, I want, defend me. If they talking bad about me and I'm your guy, defend me, you know?

• 41:15Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 41:16Speaker 01

  But I had to, what I'm, if you're ever going to ask me in this interview, what are you most proud of your accomplishments? My most proud of is this, that I took all the negative crap that I had to deal with and I turned it around and I used it to make me strong.

• 41:33Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 41:35Speaker 01

  I turned it to make me strong, to make me, okay, that's why you feel, you know, I'm not going to say this here, but I had some, that's some choice words for those.

• 41:44Lewis Howes?

  Sure.

• 41:45Speaker 01

  And I'll show you. And I put up a wall and I'm proud of the fact, and I know how to put the wall up today.

• 41:51Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 41:52Speaker 01

  You know, you're not going to hurt me, not going to get to me. You know, try, do what, say what you want to say. I really don't care. And I really don't care. At 78 years of age, I really don't care.

• 42:02Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. Now, I'm curious about this. You've, you've already been open about this. One of the things I was telling you before we started rolling is that 2003 or 2004, you opened up about depression on TV.

• 42:11Speaker 01

  Right, right.

• 42:12Lewis Howes?

  And there was no one really opening up about any of this stuff, mental health, depression, you know, sexual abuse. None of that stuff was being talked about in 2003, 2004. And it really wasn't until the last eight years where more kind of, uh, male athletes were opening up about the different problems they were facing personally, right?

• 42:33Speaker 01

  Right.

• 42:34Lewis Howes?

  And so first off, I want to acknowledge you for leading the way because I know it takes, even though maybe it didn't feel like it was courageous for you, someone, whoever starts opening up about something that's never been done before, they're the ones who.

• 42:47Speaker 01

  Lead the way.

• 42:48Lewis Howes?

  They're the ones who get the most, you know, not retaliation, but get made fun of the most. They get, you know, talked about in a weird way the most.

• 42:56Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 42:56Lewis Howes?

  And I know you got made fun of by other guys who weren't really accepting of you opening up about depression. So I want to acknowledge you, Terry, for leading the way for all of us.

• 43:05Speaker 01

  Well, I know I was leading the way.

• 43:07Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 43:07Speaker 01

  You know, um, the reason I even got diagnosed, um,

• 43:17Speaker 01

  it's just the fact that I just had these, these anxiety attacks and, and emotional breakdowns for no apparent reason to me.

• 43:30Lewis Howes?

  Where do you think that was coming from?

• 43:31Speaker 01

  Oh, man. It may have, I, I, they were tracing me all the way back to childhood and that could have been part of it, you know, where you were, I was told one, you know, my mother said, you'll never amount to S H I T.

• 43:44Lewis Howes?

  Really? Your mom said that?

• 43:45Speaker 01

  My mom.

• 43:46Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 43:47Speaker 01

  Um, I never forgot that.

• 43:49Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 43:49Speaker 01

  Never. I even told her. Yeah.

• 43:52Lewis Howes?

  How old were you when she said that?

• 43:53Speaker 01

  Probably eight.

• 43:55Lewis Howes?

  She said you'd never amount to anything?

• 43:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:57Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 43:57Speaker 01

  Yeah. Kids don't forget that.

• 44:00Lewis Howes?

  So that's painful.

• 44:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's painful.

• 44:02Lewis Howes?

  Especially from your, from your mom or from a friend?

• 44:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, one. And I think I wasn't a great student, but it, I did, I wanted to be a good student, but I wasn't a great student. Um, I couldn't understand why I couldn't focus.

• 44:16Lewis Howes?

  Mm hmm.

• 44:17Speaker 01

  I couldn't, I, I could not understand why I struggled in certain classes. I couldn't understand, I knew to get anywhere in my life with my dreams of playing the NFL, I had to go to college.

• 44:29Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 44:31Speaker 01

  Just bury it and you question yourself and, uh, my whole life, I just, I did all that. Um, and I didn't find out about ADHD or ADD until after I tried from football and I just could not, it just, it piled up on me. And I finally started thinking and that something's wrong.

• 44:54Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 44:55Speaker 01

  And, uh, so I spent three days of testing and they put me on, um, basically ADD medicine. Um, I didn't like that.

• 45:09Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 45:09Speaker 01

  Uh, but I did explain them, the counseling, uh, explained it. Um, and you're like, oh, man, I'm really glad to know I have this because now it explains that.

• 45:26Lewis Howes?

  So you're actually relieved when you learned about it?

• 45:28Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. It's like, it's like, uh, when I, um,

• 45:33Speaker 01

  when you learn you've got something that's a negative, you've got to, you've got to find out what's going to, what's the answer to the negative. Why, why did I get it? How do I get over it? It's like when I got cancer. Okay, I got cancer. All right, it's going, can kill me. So what can I do? All right. What caused it? Well, we don't know what caused it. You know, but you get all the information you can get. And so after the ADD diagnosis, it was a few years later, that it just kept travel and travel, emotional

• 46:07Speaker 01

  breakdowns, miserable, sick. Depression is a sickness. Man, I, I, listen, I don't wish it on anybody because it comes and it's, it's the, it's the thief in the night. And, uh,

• 46:26Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 46:27Speaker 01

  So you got ADD and you find out, okay, this is why I struggled in school. You can't focus. It's not my fault. It's up here. They don't cross over. Uh, and you're going, okay, but I was good at football. I loved football. I didn't love algebra.

• 46:46Lewis Howes?

  No, not me either.

• 46:48Speaker 01

  And trigonometry. I love, but what I loved, I was good at. So I could, you could, you could override this, something you love, something that was fun.

• 46:59Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 47:00Speaker 01

  But things I had to, things that I wasn't interested in and didn't care was the struggle. And I just could not put my finger on. And I knew I had to be good. And I, you ever, you ever done, you ever read a, you ever read a paragraph and then go, what, did I just read that?

• 47:23Lewis Howes?

  Oh, yeah. Pages.

• 47:24Speaker 01

  Read it again, read a paragraph again.

• 47:25Lewis Howes?

  Yep.

• 47:26Speaker 01

  Did I just do this? And read it again. What's it saying? And then go.

• 47:31Lewis Howes?

  Let me focus. Yeah. That was my whole childhood. Yeah.

• 47:34Speaker 01

  And then you go, okay, that was me. You know, I still do that. I'd be on the plane studying for the Fox show and I'll have to reread this stuff three or four times because it, it doesn't lock. Depression was later.

• 47:53Speaker 01

  And it was just, I couldn't, it, depression, it's triggered by certain things in your life. It could be divorce, could be illness, could be death in your family, whatever. Everybody goes through it. Some of us, it's there, you know? And then when we had these events in our life, oh, it's devastating. And so I couldn't get the answers. I thought it was, I thought it was the ADD that was making me miserable. Um, but I'd been to counseling on that. So I understood, I understood the ADD. I was fine with that. Yeah. One of the reasons I hated doing football games is because I couldn't remember names and numbers. What

• 48:36Speaker 01

  do you do if you're announcing the boot? You got the number 26 just made a great tackle and you got to go 26.

• 48:42Lewis Howes?

  What's his name?

• 48:42Speaker 01

  Yeah. He should know that. I, I, when they put me in the studio, I was the happiest guy in the world. I didn't have to know that.

• 48:48Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 48:49Speaker 01

  Unless I wanted to.

• 48:50Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 48:50Speaker 01

  So the, but the depression thing.

• 48:53Lewis Howes?

  Well.

• 48:54Speaker 01

  You just, then you're sitting there, Louis, and you're going, golly, I've had this for a long time and never paid any attention. I just thought it was all part of the ADD. And when I, the first signs of it, I didn't know what to do. I was a little, I didn't know who I could talk to. I didn't know. So first thing I thought, well, my preacher's a good friend. I'll go talk to my preacher about this. So I go talk to him.

• 49:21Lewis Howes?

  What do you say?

• 49:22Speaker 01

  And this went on for weeks, me and him talking. Finally, he said, this is a little bit more than, than I can handle. I need to send you to a, uh, family counselor, a psychiatrist. I said, okay. So he, he found a good one for me. So I started seeing her.

• 49:44Lewis Howes?

  What did she say?

• 49:46Speaker 01

  Well, she said, this is a little bug.

• 49:50Lewis Howes?

  Little bug everyone?

• 49:51Speaker 01

  Yeah. Ended up with a psychologist and what did, what did they? Well, they, pretty much what the psychiatrist had acknowledged, but they, uh, put me on some medicine, which, you know, I still take to this day. But the courteous thing about

• 50:11Speaker 01

  the depression is that I went through three years of counseling to understand, once again, it's three divorces, losing your confidence as a quarterback. I, I go through all these events in my life where why wasn't I superior? Why wasn't I, why wasn't I like here? Why wasn't I like this guy? Why wasn't I like this guy? Why wasn't I like him? Why weren't I, why, why am I not sup, like you've talked to already, supremely competent, so, why am I not this? Why do people not, why am I made fun of? Why is this? I mean, why, why,

• 50:48Speaker 01

  why, why? And it's, drives you friggin' crazy, crazy. So when I went to see the, the counselor, that was just like.

• 51:02Speaker 01

  The greatest thing in the world.

• 51:03Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 51:04Speaker 01

  Because now, you know what I'm doing? I'm dealing with me.

• 51:08Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 51:09Speaker 01

  I worked on me. And understood the depression, understood how it, what triggered it. Now, sometimes it, if I'm just tired, if I'm just tired, it comes on naturally. And I'm lucky that my wife, who's in the other room, she'll see me sitting by myself on the porch. And she knows. Here we go. And she'll come out and she'll say, what can I do for you? And sometimes I can talk and sometimes I can't. But it doesn't, she doesn't, you know, it crests. And it goes away and I, I know how to deal with it and the best way is just talk about it.

• 51:52Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 51:53Speaker 01

  Just feel it out. And that's what's so great about telling me, hey babe, I'm having a hard time with this. And then,

• 52:02Speaker 01

  you know, you know, the, um, it's okay.

• 52:07Speaker 01

  To be depressed, it's okay.

• 52:10Speaker 01

  Alright, that's just the way it is. Alright? Um, depression doesn't steal your personality because people will say, well, you, you're funny. You're always laughing. Well, yeah, it's showtime.

• 52:23Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 52:23Speaker 01

  I'm unperformed.

• 52:24Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 52:25Speaker 01

  You know? Um, there have been speeches I've been given and something will hit me in the middle of the speech in front of hundreds, if not thousands of people, and I'll have to turn my back on the audience because I'm blown.

• 52:37Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 52:37Speaker 01

  I'm just lost it. Just lost it. It's, it's bizarre, but it's okay. And I learned that it's okay. Um, it's okay. We're going to deal with this and, and it's okay.

• 52:51Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 52:51Speaker 01

  You're not a bad guy.

• 52:52Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. Yeah. Something about I like in your book, uh, you share a lot of these stories, there's a lot of humor in it as well. It's called Looking for Terry. Uh, I want you guys to check this out, but there is a, a quote at the, towards the end that I really like that you addressed. And it says, "It turned out the key to my success in life was the same as it was on the gridiron. When I got hit, I got up." And I wanted to ask you about this, you know, three divorces.

• 53:22Speaker 01

  Get up.

• 53:23Lewis Howes?

  Depression.

• 53:24Speaker 01

  Get up.

• 53:25Lewis Howes?

  Cancer twice in the same year.

• 53:27Speaker 01

  Same year, yeah.

• 53:29Lewis Howes?

  Uh, having to reinvent yourself, you know?

• 53:32Speaker 01

  Right.

• 53:32Lewis Howes?

  Being the four-time Super Bowl champ, but then retiring, but then getting the Hall of Fame, but then who am I? Identity shifting, all these different things like depression, divorces, new relationship, divorce, all these different things. It's a roller coaster of emotions.

• 53:46Speaker 01

  Right.

• 53:47Lewis Howes?

  And something you mentioned earlier is, you know, you grew up very Christian and your relationship with God. I'm curious, how has your relationship with your faith with God evolved through all these different challenges? All the different suffering, the depression, the cancer?

• 54:02Speaker 01

  Oh, was I someone that said, God, why me?

• 54:05Lewis Howes?

  I'm just curious.

• 54:06Speaker 01

  Why me?

• 54:06Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, what, what?

• 54:07Speaker 01

  I never cursed God. I've, I've already told you, I why, why, why should I not have these problems? Because I'm Terry Bradshaw, a Fox guy, a guy on television, a guy that won Super Bowls? What makes me so better than you or anybody else? I'm not better than anybody. I, I've accomplished certain things. And I'm proud of that. And I want you to be proud with me. But that doesn't make me better than, why? I'm not better than you. I don't, I, I would never think that. You may treat me differently because of some of the things I've done. I don't deserve that. Um, I've had, I've gone to the front of the line. Um, I did it Sunday after the show because they had ice cream.

• 54:51Speaker 01

  And there were 20 people in line. I just went right up to the front and got ice cream. Because I'm Terry Bradshaw.

• 54:59Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 55:00Speaker 01

  And I had to go and watch the game and everybody, I know everybody and they all go, go, go. You know? So I, but I don't, I don't take advantage of that. I never.

• 55:10Lewis Howes?

  No, no, I guess my question is how has your relationship?

• 55:13Speaker 01

  Changed?

• 55:13Lewis Howes?

  Evolved with your faith in God?

• 55:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:17Lewis Howes?

  Through the challenges, you personally with God, has it shifted? Has, do you feel stronger? Do you feel less connected?

• 55:22Speaker 01

  No, no, I feel definitely stronger. Absolutely.

• 55:25Lewis Howes?

  Why is?

• 55:26Speaker 01

  Look, I, well, first of all, I'm a Christian, so I believe that Christ is a savior. Okay? And I've accepted that.

• 55:32Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 55:33Speaker 01

  Um, and I believe that. So, uh, I'm never going to question that, never going to doubt it. You have your faith, I have mine. You asked me, I just told you why. Um, when I have had bad things, I've never questioned God. I just, actually I've, I'll open a day up. But Lord, thank you for whatever's going to happen to me today, whatever's presented to me today, it's all good.

• 55:57Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 55:57Speaker 01

  My relationship with God has not changed, it's only gotten better. That's good.

• 56:01Lewis Howes?

  Why is that?

• 56:03Speaker 01

  Why wouldn't it be? I don't question, I don't doubt what happens to me in my life. This is, this is, I believe God created me. And I believe that he has set a path for me. I think that there, there, he presents situations to me. See how I handle them? Most time I don't handle them well. I'm not going to lie to you. I'm not perfect. So that's why I have to pray for forgiveness.

• 56:30Lewis Howes?

  You can't be nice a hundred percent of the time.

• 56:32Speaker 01

  And don't, you'll go nuts. And so my, my faith is, look, I'm in the middle of the stretch. I'm getting closer to the end. When is that? My wife says, shut up, don't talk like that. But look, when you're 78, your brain does that for you.

• 56:51Lewis Howes?

  Hmm, really?

• 56:52Speaker 01

  You, you'll see, you will think more about life after death. You'll think more, more about, um, your relationships. So you'll be, you'll think about things that you have, you'll ask yourself, why am I thinking that? And if you really sit down to analyze yourself, you'll find out, yeah, I want to make sure, I want to make sure that everything's in good shape. Um, my wife runs all our businesses. My wife handles all our money. I want her to know every penny we have, every investment we have, every insurance policy we have.

• 57:30Speaker 01

  Where everything goes, what everything does, so that when God calls me home, she doesn't have to go, oh, I gotta get a tourniquet. Oh, the, she already knows.

• 57:40Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 57:40Speaker 01

  All of that's pressure's taken away from her. You know, and that did, and I think for anybody out there, make sure your house is in order. You don't want to leave your wife scrambling and, oh, I didn't know that was going to happen. I didn't know this or that. No, everything is there. It's laid out.

• 57:56Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 57:57Speaker 01

  And, but I don't ever question God. I don't have a problem with cancer. Um, I don't, the way I looked at it was, if I die, I'm going to heaven. I believe there's a heaven. Um, and if I don't die, I get to stay with my wife and my family. I got three girls.

• 58:16Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 58:17Speaker 01

  So it's good, good.

• 58:18Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 58:19Speaker 01

  I don't want, I'm, you know, I'm not ready to go. I mean, there's,

• 58:23Speaker 01

  but if I'm called, well, you know, and I don't know, you ever thought about it? You ever asked yourself? Okay, here I am laying on my deathbed and I know I'm dying. What are you going to be thinking? What are you going to be thinking? Are you going to be thinking about your wife and your kids? Are you going to be thinking about, hey, are you going to be thinking, am I going to heaven? Do I believe in heaven? You're going to be asking yourself questions like that? You know, it's just like, that's some scary stuff.

• 58:51Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 58:52Speaker 01

  Scary to me, man. Sorry.

• 58:55Lewis Howes?

  No, it's okay. No, yeah, I am.

• 59:01Lewis Howes?

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• 1:00:05Lewis Howes?

  If you could, I've got a few final questions. This has been really powerful, Terry. I appreciate you opening up like this. If you could go back to my age, I'm 43, 43.

• 1:00:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:16Lewis Howes?

  Knowing everything you know in the last, um, you know, almost, I guess 35 years, from 43 to where you are now, if you could give advice to that, that younger Terry about what's about to happen? What advice would you give?

• 1:00:30Speaker 01

  Oh, you know what? There are several things I could say to him. Number one, um, have you reached your full potential? And if you haven't, why? Why? Well, are you, are you doing something in your life that's making you unhappy, but you're being rewarded financially? Um, is that really something you should continue doing?

• 1:00:52Lewis Howes?

  Interesting.

• 1:00:53Speaker 01

  Are you being good?

• 1:00:56Speaker 01

  There's a, there's a blessing in life for being good. That's overwhelming. I'm a good guy. I know I'm a good guy. I treat people with respect. Everybody I treat with respect. Makes me feel good. Can you say that? You know? Are you happy? Are you happy? Okay. Do the mirror thing. Ask yourself, why am I not happy? And be brutally honest. Pursue that, that journey to happiness. And if you've got the wife and the kids and uh, they'll, they'll be happy for you and they'll go on it with you, man, gladly. So those are

• 1:01:36Speaker 01

  just four little things, really. I can't imagine, I can't imagine not waking up tomorrow morning, not knowing what I'm doing.

• 1:01:50Speaker 01

  That's the exciting thing about life. I got a plan, you know? And, and nothing I like more than getting in bed with my wife, snuggling up, and we put on these shows that nobody understands why we watch them. I mean, we watch, I, I can, I can solve more murder cases than anybody. I mean, we've watched so many of those shows and then I've watched shows that she likes that I didn't want to like, but I like. And that's our, and we love, and we've got the dogs there. And I mean, is there anything greater? Now, I can only think of things greater is with, you had kids and they'd come running, mommy, mommy, daddy, and

• 1:02:32Speaker 01

  they'd jump in bed, you know, and oh man, there's nothing can take the place of that. That is your note. Man, and they reach for you like here. Nothing like that, but I just think, I just think people sometimes get confused that if they have a lot of money, that they'll be happy. And we all know that there's too many billionaires committing suicide. So it's, that's not, they're lost. They're lost. They don't have, they have, there's, there's a big difference between happiness and joy. When you, when you have happiness, it's like, I'm enjoying meeting

• 1:03:13Speaker 01

  you today. I'm enjoying doing this. This makes me so happy. But this can be changed by you saying something right now that's not nice. And being, you know, cruel or something. You could ask something. You could even make a comment. Now, I probably wouldn't respond to it. You would know I'm not, but I, I'd leave here. I would not be happy.

• 1:03:35Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:03:35Speaker 01

  But joy, I'm not phased by joy. Joy is a very, it's a flat line. It's just nothing bothers joy. It's buried in that soul and it's there forever and it's great. But happiness is like this, man. I mean, by the time I leave here and get to where I've got to go next, we may have a flat tire. I am not going to be happy. You know, because I'm going to miss the next engagement, whatever it is I got to do. But if you're, if you're a total piece with your life and you've got a plan for your life and you're a good person and you're pursuing your dreams, God bless you, man. That is the best. Don't waste your life.

• 1:04:14Lewis Howes?

  Absolutely, man. I got a couple of final questions for you, Terry, but I want people to get your book, Looking for Terry. It's a memoir and it's got a lot of amazing stories and lessons in here. Uh, that's going to bring a lot of people inspiration, joy, and a lot of fun as well. Here's a question I like to ask a lot of people towards the end of our conversation. We talked about you going back and giving advice to your younger self.

• 1:04:36Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:04:37Lewis Howes?

  If you could go to the future, to the last day, imagine hypothetically, you get to live as long as you want.

• 1:04:42Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:04:43Lewis Howes?

  Long as you want, you get to stay on this earth, but it's the last day.

• 1:04:47Speaker 01

  I know it's the last day.

• 1:04:48Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, you know, it's the last day. God's calling you home. This is your last day, Terry. Uh, it can be as long in the future as you want.

• 1:04:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:57Lewis Howes?

  But on the last day, for whatever reason, you have to take all of your work with you. It means this book has to go with you, this conversation, anything that's ever been said by you on TV.

• 1:05:05Speaker 01

  Oh, boy.

• 1:05:06Lewis Howes?

  We don't have access to it anymore.

• 1:05:07Speaker 01

  Where'd you get this?

• 1:05:08Lewis Howes?

  It's all hypothetical.

• 1:05:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:10Lewis Howes?

  Uh, but on the last day, God says you get to leave behind three lessons to the world, three truths. For you, what would be those three truths that you would leave behind, those three lessons?

• 1:05:22Speaker 01

  Three truths?

• 1:05:25Speaker 01

  Wow. That's,

• 1:05:29Speaker 01

  that's a really good question. How am I going to answer that question?

• 1:05:33Lewis Howes?

  It can be as simple, it can be as simple as you want. It could be anything.

• 1:05:37Speaker 01

  I kind of touched on probably most of them already.

• 1:05:39Lewis Howes?

  But if you could boil it down to three things.

• 1:05:41Speaker 01

  Be kind. Be kind. Be kind. You'll, you'll, you'll get so much more out of life. So many more rewards are coming if you're kind. Um,

• 1:05:55Speaker 01

  second thing I was going to say, don't write this down. Don't trust the politicians.

• 1:06:01Lewis Howes?

  Well, it's, hey, if it's your truth, yeah.

• 1:06:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, but be kind. Um, I would hope that you find true love.

• 1:06:12Speaker 01

  True love. That, that's, as we well know, that's the good, the bad, the ugly.

• 1:06:19Speaker 01

  Find true love. Be kind. I hope you find true love. There's so many things I could say. This one just came to me about, you're not as good as people say you are, and you're certainly not as bad. Trust yourself.

• 1:06:37Speaker 01

  I would also put faith in there, but that's going to be a given. God's calling me home.

• 1:06:42Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, those are beautiful. I love those. Okay, two final questions for you, because I know we got to get you out to your next meeting.

• 1:06:47Speaker 01

  What you got?

• 1:06:50Lewis Howes?

  What's the one question you wish people would ask you?

• 1:06:55Lewis Howes?

  That they don't ask?

• 1:06:56Speaker 01

  The one question?

• 1:06:58Lewis Howes?

  You said at the beginning.

• 1:06:59Speaker 01

  I know.

• 1:06:59Lewis Howes?

  You wish there was a question that I would?

• 1:07:01Speaker 01

  No, you got me.

• 1:07:02Lewis Howes?

  So what's the one question you wish people would ask that don't ask you about you?

• 1:07:05Speaker 01

  I, you know, I enjoyed this interview with you. Number one, I like you.

• 1:07:09Lewis Howes?

  Appreciate it.

• 1:07:10Speaker 01

  Uh, number two, your questions are really good.

• 1:07:13Lewis Howes?

  Thanks.

• 1:07:14Speaker 01

  Um, you kept us on a path.

• 1:07:18Speaker 01

  And you, and you do, you're making me think.

• 1:07:21Lewis Howes?

  Oh, that's good.

• 1:07:22Speaker 01

  Um, the one question I wish people would ask me, why do you think people like you on television?

• 1:07:30Speaker 01

  Or do they? Why should I believe anything you're saying?

• 1:07:37Speaker 01

  Where's all this coming from? I'm trying, it's a hard question. You know, you ask that to everybody because you should.

• 1:07:43Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. No, I don't, I, you know, for me, you said at the beginning, if there was a question you asked me, if I'd never been asked before, yeah, this would be a valuable conversation. So I didn't know if there was a question that you feel like, people always ask you about Super Bowls and your thoughts on football and this and that, but it's like, what do you really care about? What, what is about you that you wish people were interested in you different than the character, the persona, the success, the accomplishments, the?

• 1:08:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, I, God.

• 1:08:11Lewis Howes?

  Hollywood Walk of Fame, the, you know, the Hall of Fame, all these things.

• 1:08:13Speaker 01

  Things you don't, things you don't deserve. I mean, um.

• 1:08:18Lewis Howes?

  What's your greatest fear moving forward?

• 1:08:20Speaker 01

  My biggest fear?

• 1:08:21Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, knowing that.

• 1:08:22Speaker 01

  My biggest fear, I think my biggest fear, if I have a fear, is uh, not being able to work at Fox NFL Sunday.

• 1:08:32Lewis Howes?

  Really? You're at your home for so long now, right?

• 1:08:35Speaker 01

  It is my life. It's all I've ever done. It's what I, listen, you get up and go to work. Are you happy? You can't wait to get to work. Are you that thrilled? That's why I am. Can you imagine going to work on Sunday with Strahan, Howie Long, Gronkowski, Kurt Menifee, and talk football? And to six million viewers out there, the number one rated show every year for the last 32 years, and have fun and enjoy and never get upset, uh, never get jealous, everybody pulling for everybody. Yeah, you make a nice living and you watch football all day.

• 1:09:16Lewis Howes?

  It's a good gig.

• 1:09:17Speaker 01

  And they bring food in for you. And they ask you, what do you want for lunch?

• 1:09:20Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:09:21Speaker 01

  What I want for lunch? Oh my God, what a great question. You know, I mean, and your bosses walk in and they're smiling and, hey, how you doing? Great. Really? I don't have that anymore.

• 1:09:36Speaker 01

  If I have a fear that

• 1:09:38Lewis Howes?

  Interesting.

• 1:09:38Speaker 01

  That would be it.

• 1:09:39Lewis Howes?

  Who would you be without that show if it ended?

• 1:09:42Speaker 01

  Okay, here's, I already planned it out. I have a lifetime contract speaking for Washington Speakers Bureau.

• 1:09:49Speaker 01

  So I asked the question, my life or yours? The life is important, right? So I've been a motivational, well, I'm humorous. They call me a humorous now. Uh, but I've been speaking professionally for over forty something years. And I do love it. I love being on stage.

• 1:10:10Lewis Howes?

  So you'd go on tour, you'd be speaking.

• 1:10:12Speaker 01

  I love it. I love getting in the crowd. I don't care if it's ten thousand. I don't care what it is. I absolutely eat it up.

• 1:10:19Lewis Howes?

  That's cool.

• 1:10:20Speaker 01

  It is. Man, my wife say, how you, you good? Yeah, yeah. What are you gonna, how you gonna start the show? And I'm, when I'm getting ready to make a speech, I start two or three days ahead of time. And nobody knows this, but I'm writing.

• 1:10:35Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:35Speaker 01

  Or I'm thinking, you know, I've been writing for all those years. I don't write it down. I write it here. And I place it and I'll say, okay, where am I going? I'm gonna do this, where that, then something's always gonna leave, something's always gonna come to me and okay, I'm gonna go.

• 1:10:50Lewis Howes?

  Last moment.

• 1:10:51Speaker 01

  I remember this is, this to me is funny. Maybe our viewers won't. So Tammy gives me this. I heard this saying on television by this, um, bass singer. Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful bravado. Oh. And he had this saying before he sung. And come devil come and crashing with the, and the horses came down and lightning and thunder. He did a beautiful bass. And I'm like, golly, it's, it's just gorgeous. He paints this picture of Jesus and coming down on the horse. And, and it's like, wow, and the thunder and the, and he sings this, sings this song and has this saying.

• 1:11:35Speaker 01

  And he did this saying. I went, oh my gosh. That saying is amazing, but it's on TV. I want to hear it again. So I tell Tammy, this guy just said this, here's the show he's on. Can we get this? Can I, I need the copy of this. Can I get this? Few weeks later, she comes in, she goes, here it is. She got it for me. So I get this saying and I decide that during my speeches. I, I talk a lot about, I have a lot of fun. I talk about business. I talk about goals, all the things a speaker is supposed to do, but I'm, but I tell stories and tie it all together. And personalize it and so on and so forth. Then I'll take a break somewhere.

• 1:12:20Speaker 01

  Or somewhere and then this, this comes, I'll take a pause and I'll say. It's in the quiet crucible of your personal, private suffering. That your noblest deeds are born and God's greatest gifts are given to you. And compensation for what you've been through.

• 1:12:39Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 1:12:41Speaker 01

  Wow. They are quiet crucible. I had to look that up. I didn't know what it was. Trials and your quiet trials of your personal, private suffering.

• 1:12:54Speaker 01

  Your noblest dreams are born. God's greatest gifts. So it's while you're struggling that you're thinking, how am I gonna get, how am I gonna get out of this? I'm in a hole, you know, but I don't give up. I keep clawing. I keep scamming. I got things to do, places to go. So, so I'm down, but I'm not out and I crawl to the top and God blesses me for not getting up. And that's perfect. So first time I'm gonna use that. You ready for this? Boy, I'm, I'm shelling down the corn. I'm giving a speech. I have sweat, sweat everywhere and I'm, and I'm getting into it.

• 1:13:34Speaker 01

  And I stand back and I take a deep breath. When I say, it's in your quietness. Of stuff that you're doing.

• 1:13:47Lewis Howes?

  You forget. Wow.

• 1:13:49Speaker 01

  I forgot. And I made up this saying and I'm like, oh my God, what did I do? So the, so the next speech I give, I take my pause and I've gone over it. I'm going over it. And I go, it's in the quiet.

• 1:14:09Speaker 01

  Times when we most think about, oh, I just did it again. I am so mad. But I get through it. They don't know that I, they don't know what I'm doing. And then finally, finally, I got it.

• 1:14:24Lewis Howes?

  You're very, yeah, that's great. Um, my final question is, what's your definition of greatness?

• 1:14:33Speaker 01

  Well, let me ask you this. Is it really that important?

• 1:14:39Speaker 01

  Is it? I mean, ah, greatness, is it really important? Why not just say what your greatest happiness? Why greatness? That means I gotta accomplish something. At first, when I hear great. Automatically say, think to myself, great.

• 1:14:59Speaker 01

  What makes this so great? Oh, because they accomplish so much. You don't think somebody else is gonna accomplish more?

• 1:15:06Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:07Speaker 01

  Um, why's it gotta be great? Uh, is he the greatest quarterback that ever played in his decade? Yeah. Is he the greatest running back? Uh, yeah. But we, we spend all our time in America looking for who's the best. We're looking, we spend all our time in America, who's number one? I already told you Fox NFL Sunday, number one. Proud of that, but.

• 1:15:30Speaker 01

  America loves its winners. And it loves to put them on a pedestal and idolize them. Only later we may, they may disappoint us with something they've done. Okay? But something they've done, be it morally or whatever. So I don't really go by what is greatness. You can look it up and say that you do things better than anybody else or this person has. Okay. And you go, oh, that's great. Many times when you watch television, uh, in a sporting event, great, great, great, great, great. It's overused, great. You know, it's, it's just overused. I never.

• 1:16:13Speaker 01

  For, I, I don't know that I've ever been called great. I've been called an icon. Yeah, I don't even know what that is. But great, I don't know, is great really that important? Is it? Maybe to you, maybe, maybe to our viewers out there where, oh, well, wait a minute. He's the greatest bowler ever. Uh, Mickey Mantle was the first guy to make a hundred thousand dollars. He was great because he had home runs and stole da, da, da, da, da. Now people are making millions. That, so he's not great? Well, he was in it. So I, I just am not big on great.

• 1:16:46Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, that's okay.

• 1:16:47Speaker 01

  I never have been.

• 1:16:48Lewis Howes?

  That's okay.

• 1:16:49Speaker 01

  I never have been big on great because something's always gonna be better.

• 1:16:54Lewis Howes?

  Sure. Yeah.

• 1:16:55Speaker 01

  Always. And something about great is gonna be a disappointment.

• 1:16:58Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:59Speaker 01

  So look, look, I, I can sit here and start naming people that people call great and I can point out something about them that's not so great. Maybe you don't know it. But then that wouldn't be the right thing to do.

• 1:17:10Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:11Speaker 01

  But I just don't live with great.

• 1:17:13Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. I mean, I, my definition has evolved over the years. I think earlier, when I was younger, it was about being the best. And now.

• 1:17:21Speaker 01

  Best.

• 1:17:21Lewis Howes?

  And now it's about, uh, pursuing your, your goals and your dreams.

• 1:17:27Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:17:27Lewis Howes?

  And in that pursuit, making the maximum impact on the people around you.

• 1:17:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:17:32Lewis Howes?

  For me, that's more my definition now, rather than are you, are you number one?

• 1:17:37Speaker 01

  Listen, the greatest impact you can have on people is being nice to them.

• 1:17:41Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:42Speaker 01

  Of all the things you do and accomplish in your life, the best thing you're ever gonna be, feel good about is the fact that you are nice to people.

• 1:17:49Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:49Speaker 01

  And we, we live in a world today that's not nice. We, we live in a society in this country, which is not nice. We're mean, we're hateful, we're bitter, we're immoral. I mean, in America today, right? What's wrong with being nice?

• 1:18:06Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:07Speaker 01

  You realize, what do they always say? You, you, you kill more whatever, flies with honey? Kindness, sweetness. I mean, don't fight fire with fire. You know, it's, it's. It works.

• 1:18:23Lewis Howes?

  Maybe that's.

• 1:18:24Speaker 01

  Try it.

• 1:18:24Lewis Howes?

  Maybe that's greatness. Maybe that's greatness, being nice.

• 1:18:28Speaker 01

  If that's what you wanna call it. Yeah. Cause I mean, I can use the word great, easy. But I just am not impressed with great.

• 1:18:36Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:38Speaker 01

  You know, I've met some of the, I've met some of the most. I've met some of the.

• 1:18:46Speaker 01

  Most famous people in the world. And they are so nice, which makes me just love them and like them even more. And I met some that are not nice and I can't stand them. I don't care what they do. And if you, if you gave, let me tell you, if I had Elon Musk's money, for instance, if I was almost a trillionaire, I wouldn't be a trillionaire. You know why? Because I'd take 500 billion and I'd feed the hungry, or I'd shelter the homeless, or I'd take care of the homeless kids, or the battered women. There's so much good you can do, other than building monuments to yourself. Makes no sense to me.

• 1:19:30Speaker 01

  Where's the joy in that? More people will say wonderful things about you, the more you do for man. Can you say mankind or humankind?

• 1:19:38Lewis Howes?

  Humanity.

• 1:19:39Speaker 01

  Because you can't eliminate the women.

• 1:19:40Lewis Howes?

  Humanity.

• 1:19:41Speaker 01

  Humanity, there you go, humanity. Don't you agree?

• 1:19:44Lewis Howes?

  Hundred percent.

• 1:19:44Speaker 01

  I think about it all the time. Golly, I wish I had that kind of money. Man, well, look what I would do. I would all be Bratchell City, Bratchell City. I'd have feeding people. Golly, what a, I'm like, that's cool. You know, giving hope to people. People that are down and out on their luck and just giving them hope. Boy, there's nothing more powerful than hope. Man, I can get out of this? You mean, I can get out of this? Of course you can. Of course you can. You know?

• 1:20:13Lewis Howes?

  Well, I love, I think it was a great answer. I mean, it doesn't have to be about greatness, but about kindness.

• 1:20:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, which is more powerful.

• 1:20:20Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, it is.

• 1:20:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:20:22Lewis Howes?

  Terry, I appreciate you very much. Thanks for being here. Thanks for everything.

• 1:20:25Speaker 01

  Lewis, a pleasure. I hope we get to come back.

• 1:20:27Lewis Howes?

  Of course, yeah.

• 1:20:27Speaker 01

  I'll have another book, or I can just come back and we can just shoot the breeze.

• 1:20:31Lewis Howes?

  I love it.

• 1:20:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:20:32Lewis Howes?

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• 1:21:14Lewis Howes?

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