How To Think Like A Champion & Destroy Your Limits With Your Mindset

In this powerful episode, I bring together three extraordinary champions who share their insights on what it takes to develop an unshakeable mindset. We hear from boxing superstar Canelo Álvarez, who reveals who he thinks will win in a fight between Jake Paul and Mike Tyson, and how he's maintained his hunger for excellence across a 19-year career. Internet phenomenon turned boxer Jake Paul discusses his journey from Disney star to business mogul. And the legendary Mike Tyson opens up about the psychology of becoming and staying a champion. Each guest brings unique perspectives on mental toughness, self-belief, and the relentless pursuit of greatness. This masterclass in champion mindset delivers game-changing insights on what it really takes to reach the top of your field and stay there. In this episode you will learn:Who Canelo thinks will win a fight between Jake Paul and Mike Tyson, and who is a more difficult matchup for himHow true champions maintain their hunger and drive even after achieving massive successWhy developing the mindset of a champion must come before the external achievementsThe power of proper timing and letting your path unfold naturally while maintaining focusHow to balance multiple ventures and optimize your time like a world-class performerWhy giving without expectation leads to greater long-term success and fulfillmentFor more information go to https://www.lewishowes.com/1694For more Greatness text PODCAST to +1 (614) 350-3960More SOG episodes we think you’ll love:Canelo Álvarez – greatness.lnk.to/1609SCJake Paul – https://lewishowes.com/podcast/e-jake-paul/Mike Tyson – greatness.lnk.to/1693SC Get more from Lewis! Get my New York Times Bestselling book, Make Money Easy! Get The Greatness Mindset audiobook on SpotifyText Lewis AIYouTubeInstagramWebsiteTiktokFacebookX

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• 0:00Lewis Howes?

  Hey everyone, welcome back to the School of Greatness. Today, we have a very special collection of episodes. And one of the biggest things people struggle with today in life is mindset. It's understanding their own mindset and how to go from a weak mindset that keeps people struggling in their career, their life, their relationships, into a strong, powerful foundational mindset that allows you to overcome the obstacles that are thrown your way. And a great famous quote is that "Everyone's got a plan until you get punched in the face." That is from the iconic Mike Tyson, who we have an amazing excerpt from one of our interviews on the School of Greatness with Mike Tyson in this episode.

• 0:42Lewis Howes?

  But in this interview series, we've got three powerful boxing experts and also business leaders. First, we have Canelo. Canelo is arguably one of the greatest boxers of all time, specifically in this generation. I had the opportunity of interviewing him while he was preparing for a fight. And we talk about how he's learned to develop a mindset, a sustaining mindset of success for so many years. He's been in the game for a long time. And we go over really a little bit about his mindset. And also, we ask him a big question. Who do you think would beat you in the boxing ring? Mike Tyson or Jake Paul?

• 1:25Lewis Howes?

  And his answer and response was pretty interesting. I'm excited for you to see what he says based on that question. And a big thing happening with both of those individuals fighting each other. Then we hear a clip from Jake Paul, who we had on seven years ago, before he got into boxing, before he became one of the most popular people on the internet, but also one of the most hated people on the internet. He was a Disney star. He left high school, he came to Los Angeles. I met him in those early years when he came to LA. And I got to know him behind the scenes. I got to see a little bit about- Who he was, his character, his heart, his mindset. We played pickup basketball together. I went to his house when he had a whole house of

• 2:09Lewis Howes?

  creators that he was living with. I got to see him before all this stuff happened. I got to watch him practice boxing in the early days and I watched his evolution over many years. We talk about the mindset he had and really how he went from a high school kid making content to building a network of influencers and creating expansive content to how he's learned how to persevere over challenges, developing self-belief in himself and overcoming all the different things that he had to do. Now, love him or hate him, it's hard to deny what he's created for himself and he's constantly reinventing himself.

• 2:50Lewis Howes?

  And he talked about this idea of how can I continue to innovate and have continuous improvement on my content creation. That's what he talked about in part of this interview. And you see that through his evolution, how he spoke it into existence and then he went and created it and is creating it now. It's pretty powerful to watch what he's created. Whether you love him or hate him, it's interesting to see what he's created, his creativity, his dedication, and how he's taken his boxing career this seriously. He also talked about how he believes that by helping others, you eventually set up yourself for rewards down the line. So just note that when you're listening to the segment

• 3:30Lewis Howes?

  with Jake Paul. And he also talks about his mindset and how it's at the center of everything he does. Then we do a clip from an interview that I did on the School of Greatness with the iconic Mike Tyson. Mike shared some powerful insights about the mindset required to be a true champion. And here's a kid who struggled immensely as a young adult, who had huge success and fame, and then it all came crashing down, who's had to reinvent himself over and over. And he talks about the mindset of a champion in this segment as well. Powerful stuff. I'm excited to see what you think. And I would love your comments and feedback below

• 4:15Lewis Howes?

  on what you think about each one of them with Canelo, Jake Paul, and Mike Tyson. Welcome to this special masterclass. We've brought some of the top experts in the world to help you unlock the power of your life through this specific theme today. It's going to be powerful. So let's go ahead and dive in.

• 4:40Lewis Howes?

  I had Mike Tyson on twice on my show, and I had Jake Paul on. I know they're fighting. I'm sure everyone's asking about it. Um, I'm curious, who do you think would be a harder fight for you right now, Mike Tyson or Jake Paul? In a hypothetical scenario, who do you think would be tougher for you?

• 5:02Speaker 01

  I think if you put them together in the ring with me, maybe it's gonna...

• 5:10Lewis Howes?

  Maybe both together?

• 5:12Speaker 01

  Maybe it's gonna be a little complicated.

• 5:16Lewis Howes?

  But one or the other, they're not the same, you think? They're the same, you think, for you? Who do you think would win between them?

• 5:25Speaker 01

  It's hard to say, but you know, it's risky for Mike Tyson.

• 5:29Lewis Howes?

  Really? Why?

• 5:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, because he's 57 and 58, I don't know. And, and it's boxing is no, it's not a joke.

• 5:41Lewis Howes?

  It's no joke.

• 5:42Speaker 01

  It's... But, you know, I know, I get it. I get, I get, I get it what they, why they do this. It's a business.

• 5:53Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 5:54Speaker 01

  They're gonna fight with 18 ounces with no...

• 5:59Lewis Howes?

  Bigger gloves, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a business. You, speaking of business, you've been getting into business more and more over the years, which I'm excited to talk about as well. Real estate, your own businesses, Canelo Energy, you know, all these different brands that you're building. What excites you the most about business and entrepreneurship?

• 6:19Lewis Howes?

  And is it a distraction to do all that as well as fight ever?

• 6:25Speaker 01

  No.

• 6:26Lewis Howes?

  No?

• 6:26Speaker 01

  No, no, it's a distraction because I have my correct people doing my team, everything. And, and I do what I need to do for my business and I'm, I'm, I care about every business I have. But I like it. I enjoy doing real stays. I enjoy being my drinks and, and, and everything I do, I, I, I really enjoy it.

• 6:53Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. What is your vision for your?

• 6:56Speaker 01

  High stations, everything.

• 6:58Lewis Howes?

  You got a lot going on. What is your vision for your, for your future after boxing? Is it to be a business leader in the world or what is the main vision that you have for business?

• 7:10Speaker 01

  Yeah. That's, that's my goal is being one of the best business man in the world.

• 7:17Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 7:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:18Lewis Howes?

  Why does that excite you so much after boxing?

• 7:22Speaker 01

  I, I just, I, I like, I, I, I love to be involved in this kind of things and, and, and, and see how they going big and big and big and big, you know, starting with,

• 7:37Speaker 01

  with some and then grow up. It's, I, I, I like it so much because when I was young, I saw my brother Ricardo. He put a ice cream store with $5,000. And, and we, we built in five, six months, like bring people, bring people, bring people. And then he sell it for 30, 40,000 dollars. So, and I saw him and I, I just start learning, start learning and, and I really enjoy that kind of things.

• 8:19Lewis Howes?

  Well, that's beautiful, man. Is there a difference between how you trained early on when you were a nobody, the first few years in your teens, versus how you train now? Mentally, physically, is there a difference? If so, what is that difference?

• 8:32Speaker 01

  Mentally, I think it's.

• 8:36Speaker 01

  The same mentality, the same hungry, you know, is for me is I train my mental, my mind is always try to get more, try to get more history to my career and and I never, it's never enough for me.

• 8:59Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 9:00Speaker 01

  It's never enough for me. I always train so hard because, you know, I I started like that, training so hard because in my mind always when I was kid, I say, I wanna be a champion and then I I accomplished that champion and I say, it's something else more, it's something else there. So I always, my mind is always, it's never enough for my mind.

• 9:27Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 9:28Speaker 01

  I always trained so hard and I and I love boxing so much. I enjoy it. I enjoy it. I still enjoy it.

• 9:36Lewis Howes?

  You still enjoy it? But it's almost been twenty years, right? Twenty years?

• 9:40Speaker 01

  Nineteen professional.

• 9:42Lewis Howes?

  Nineteen professional. What is the three greatest lessons that boxing has taught you in almost twenty years of boxing?

• 9:49Speaker 01

  It's gonna be very difficult to pick three lessons because I think the man I am right now, I I learned from from boxing because my whole life, I I give my whole life to to boxing. I think boxing teach me everything, everything, bad and goods and everything. I think I think boxing made me.

• 10:17Lewis Howes?

  It made you, yeah. What is the what is the lesson that you would you would say to your younger self with all the wisdom and experience you have now?

• 10:25Speaker 01

  It's the only thing I can I can say to to them, like if I

• 10:31Lewis Howes?

  You're fifteen in front of you.

• 10:32Speaker 01

  I have my my my son and say, you you can do whatever you want. It's just you just need to be able to to have able to sacrifices, discipline and hard work.

• 10:44Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 10:45Speaker 01

  And have a good mentality because if you have that three, three things, discipline, sacrifices and and

• 10:54Lewis Howes?

  Hard work.

• 10:55Speaker 01

  Hard work. But if you don't have that mentality, it's gonna be Very difficult.

• 11:00Lewis Howes?

  How do you keep the hunger alive inside of you for so long, though? Because you were starting out as a young man wanting to be a champion. You became a champion. But how do you continue year after year to stay hungry and love it so much?

• 11:14Speaker 01

  I don't know. I don't know. I always say because I love what I do. And I have that passion on me. And I love what I do and I enjoy it. And I'm that kind of man.

• 11:28Speaker 01

  I'm that kind of person say if I'm gonna do something, I'm gonna do a hundred percent. No in the middle, no ninety percent, no. I'm hundred percent. I always try to do my best and try to do my everything. And I think because I love what I do.

• 11:46Lewis Howes?

  How do you manage fear? Did you have a lot of fear growing up as you started fighting? And do you have any fear when you fight today?

• 11:54Speaker 01

  I never feel fear.

• 11:56Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 11:56Speaker 01

  In boxing, I never feel how it's like to feel that fear. I always enjoy it.

• 12:07Speaker 01

  I just enjoy it a lot. My favorite day, my favorite thing is the sparring days and the fight day. I just enjoy it a lot. I enjoy it. And I never have that experience to feel the fear or something.

• 12:26Lewis Howes?

  When you became a champion, world champion, did you feel fear to lose that ever?

• 12:30Speaker 01

  No.

• 12:30Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 12:31Speaker 01

  No, never, never feel that fear.

• 12:33Lewis Howes?

  Why not? Did someone teach you how to overcome fear?

• 12:36Speaker 01

  No. I don't know. I just, I always say because I really enjoy boxing. I really love boxing. I really love being in the ring fighting. I never. Thinking about, oh, if this happen, I always go with the mentality to win and enjoy.

• 12:56Lewis Howes?

  Do you ever, when you're preparing for a fight, do you ever think about, well, what happens if I get knocked down, or if I lose, will I feel bad, or?

• 13:04Speaker 01

  I never think about lose. I never think about lose. I always think and train for the win.

• 13:12Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 13:12Speaker 01

  And, yes, I do, I think about if I get knocked out, how I'm gonna reaction, and we train about everything.

• 13:21Lewis Howes?

  Train it, when you'll fall down.

• 13:22Speaker 01

  If I feel dizzy, what I'm gonna do.

• 13:25Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 13:25Speaker 01

  I, we always train about that.

• 13:27Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 13:28Speaker 01

  We prepare ourselves for everything, of course, but I never think about losing.

• 13:34Lewis Howes?

  Wow. What is the process like, the day of a fight for you, mentally and emotionally? How do you prepare for that fight?

• 13:42Speaker 01

  For me, it's a normal day.

• 13:44Lewis Howes?

  Just like, grab a cup of coffee, relax, hang out?

• 13:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, relaxed, obviously, very relaxed, but for me, in my mind, is, is, is a normal day.

• 13:53Lewis Howes?

  Really? But the world is gonna watch you on these fights.

• 13:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, I know.

• 13:56Lewis Howes?

  There's so much money on the line, that, you know.

• 13:58Speaker 01

  I don't think about that. For me, it's normal. I'm gonna do my thing, and that's it. Obviously, I think, I, I, I, I,

• 14:12Speaker 01

  I put everything together that day, we, we put in the whole training camp.

• 14:20Lewis Howes?

  Uh huh.

• 14:20Speaker 01

  I put, okay, I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do that, and we train for this, and then, but for me, it's a normal day. It's like a...

• 14:28Lewis Howes?

  You wake up the same time?

• 14:29Speaker 01

  If you see me in, if you see me in the locker room

• 14:34Speaker 01

  twenty minutes before the fight, I'm, I'm listening music, chilling with my, with my team, so, I'm, for me, it's a normal day.

• 14:42Lewis Howes?

  Are you not visualizing the fight?

• 14:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, always.

• 14:44Lewis Howes?

  You are?

• 14:45Speaker 01

  I always visualize my, my, my fight in, in the nights. I know, okay, if this happen, I'm gonna do this, everything.

• 14:54Lewis Howes?

  How much energy does it take from you to visualize? It's, there's a lot of energy to train, to run every day, to spar, to lift. But how much energy to actually think at night about what you're gonna do in the ring?

• 15:08Speaker 01

  I just think, I, I, I don't, I don't, I don't put so much energy to think. Because I just, I just, okay, I'm gonna do this and this, I train for this and that's it.

• 15:20Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 15:20Speaker 01

  I, for me, like, uh, my life routine.

• 15:25Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 15:26Speaker 01

  It's not like I don't, uh, do this or to stress myself, no.

• 15:32Lewis Howes?

  It's relaxing.

• 15:33Speaker 01

  It's relaxing.

• 15:34Lewis Howes?

  It's relaxing. Wow, that's beautiful. And what do you think about after you win a fight? When you've prepared for months and you win a big fight and the whole world is watching? How does it make you feel?

• 15:44Speaker 01

  It's the best feeling.

• 15:45Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 15:46Speaker 01

  It's the best feeling because you put your life there. You put everything in the training camp. You left your family, you left everything for that moment.

• 15:56Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 15:56Speaker 01

  For that moment, for that win. You prepare yourself for, for the win and it's the best feeling.

• 16:01Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 16:02Speaker 01

  Then is, is when you, uh, realize everything, uh, everything you do, everything, the sacrifices, the, the discipline you put in the gym, uh, there is the result.

• 16:16Lewis Howes?

  It's worth it. Yeah, yeah. Did you ever doubt yourself growing up?

• 16:20Speaker 01

  Never.

• 16:20Lewis Howes?

  Like self doubt?

• 16:21Speaker 01

  Never.

• 16:22Lewis Howes?

  Insecurity?

• 16:22Speaker 01

  Never in my life.

• 16:24Lewis Howes?

  How did you learn that though?

• 16:25Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 16:25Lewis Howes?

  So many people in the world are insecure about who they are, right? They doubt.

• 16:30Speaker 01

  I never doubt about myself.

• 16:31Lewis Howes?

  Was that your parents, your grandmother, or?

• 16:34Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 16:34Lewis Howes?

  Did they teach you how to believe in yourself?

• 16:36Speaker 01

  My mentality is always like, I don't care who is there, I'm, I'm gonna do, achieve my goals no matter what. So, and I just started professional boxing when I was 15 years old. So.

• 16:50Speaker 01

  Sometimes my trainer, my trainers saw the opponent and say, hey, he's too strong and he's, he's thirty years old and I don't care. I don't, I don't, I, I, I don't, I don't really care. And then two rounds and that.

• 17:07Lewis Howes?

  And you knock him out, yeah. Do you have, I mean, do you ever have any insecurities outside of boxing, like starting business or in some other ventures?

• 17:18Speaker 01

  No.

• 17:19Lewis Howes?

  No, no insecurities?

• 17:21Speaker 01

  I think the, the, the first time I

• 17:29Speaker 01

  jumped in the, in the bus and tried to sell ice creams in the bus, I feel a little, I don't know, insecure or I feel a little ashamed because you know, I'm red haired, I have freckles and everything and the, I, I feel like a little ashamed, I don't, maybe insecure.

• 17:48Lewis Howes?

  But you're like five, six, seven years old?

• 17:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, five, five, six years old.

• 17:52Lewis Howes?

  Selling popsicles?

• 17:53Speaker 01

  And, and then I say, oh, well, nothing happened.

• 17:58Speaker 01

  And then I start, I start feeling good, but I, I think that moment I feel like a little insecure because the people saw me and say something about me, I don't know. But then I don't, I don't give up.

• 18:12Lewis Howes?

  So like, so twenty five years ago was the last time you were insecure?

• 18:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:23Jake Paul?

  Like being on set and like having that experience? It's priceless. Yeah, it's priceless and I, and it was like so beneficial in the long run because you see how the acting classes then apply in real life because, you know, you're on set, you're kind of just chilling, then it's like makeup, wardrobe, hear your lines, stand here, go. And it's like that fast. And before you know it, you're like, oh my God, like, I'm in front of camera, like they're about to roll. And then everything's on you, like fifty people and you have to like nail your lines and nail your take. So. How did you do? Did you ever mess up a bunch when you were like, when it was rolling on you? Or were you pretty prepared? I was pretty, yeah, no, I was pretty prepared. Cause I was like, yo, this is my first thing, like, I, uh. You gotta be ready. I was nervous though. I can imagine.

• 19:08Jake Paul?

  I was really nervous. Did you have to do a lot of takes, or did you kinda get your groove? How did that work? I kinda got the groove. I think the first couple of takes, I was like nervous and it wasn't just like a solo scene or whatever. Right, right. So, uh, there was like other actors messing up. Oh, that's nice. And like that helped me, but then I would like mess up one and we found the rhythm. Yeah, yeah. Uh, after the first kinda scene, the nervousness went away and I got comfortable with the director and the crew and, um. And then you landed your own show, right? With Disney? Yeah, so all those kind of like built up. Well, before, before Disney, uh, we, my brother and I kinda had this attitude like, why, why are we waiting for other people to cast us?

• 19:53Jake Paul?

  Um, when we know, we know we're talented. We, we wanna showcase our skills. Um, why not like write a movie? And I think, I don't know if you talked about this. A little bit, but go ahead, yeah. So like, we, we, uh, sat down, we're like, okay, let's write a movie. And went into that process, learned a lot about writing from that. Um, finished the project and, uh, then went to go like raise funds for it. And like, we had no idea what we were doing, uh, but we like paired with some, some awesome people and, um, eventually we had, uh, Ron Berkel and Jonathan Ornstein fund the movie.

• 20:34Jake Paul?

  And like, we got to see like our vision come to life and now it's like fully shot, uh, and edited and should be coming out like this, this year sometime. Uh, it's called like Airplane Mode and we have like all of our social media friends in it. Um, but that was like the idea, like, yo, we could, we could do this on our own because we have the built-in audience. Um, and I think we'll see, we'll start to see like a lot more of that in the future. Yeah. And like, I know we wanna continue to, to do our own projects as well as be in these like traditional films, but, um. Yeah, I actually could, well, leading to your next one, I actually couldn't be in that movie because it's like rated R.

• 21:14Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 21:15Jake Paul?

  And I, yeah, and I booked the Disney show.

• 21:18Lewis Howes?

  You couldn't be in airplane mode?

• 21:19Jake Paul?

  I couldn't be in it.

• 21:20Lewis Howes?

  Cause it's rated R? Cause you're under eighteen or what?

• 21:22Jake Paul?

  Cause.

• 21:23Lewis Howes?

  How's that work?

• 21:23Jake Paul?

  Cause I, I booked the Disney show bef- uh, like wa- right before they were about to start shooting. I was like, I can't pass up this opportunity.

• 21:30Lewis Howes?

  So because you're on a Disney show, you can't be in a rated R movie?

• 21:33Jake Paul?

  Well, yeah, i- i- it's pretty, I mean, there's like a gray line.

• 21:36Lewis Howes?

  Sure.

• 21:37Jake Paul?

  But the script was like, it was pretty vulgar and they were like, uh, we, we can't really have you in this.

• 21:42Lewis Howes?

  Um. But you re- so you didn't want to pass up on Disney?

• 21:45Jake Paul?

  Of course, yeah, no, definitely not. Um, and that like whole process of, you know, auditioning to be on Disney was like a whole nother level of like competition because there's so many kids and like so many different rounds of auditioning.

• 22:02Lewis Howes?

  How many kids were there? How many rounds?

• 22:04Jake Paul?

  I think it, I mean, I think at the start, there was like ten, but that was like after it was like narrowed down.

• 22:10Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 22:10Jake Paul?

  Uh, so I don't know what the initial like search was, but.

• 22:13Lewis Howes?

  Might have been hundreds in the beginning and then it got down to like ten finalists and then you did a certain amount of rounds. Was it like a month of rounds or was it a couple of weeks?

• 22:20Jake Paul?

  It was like two to three weeks. Um, and then they would like have you test with like the other actors and you know, figure out like who was vibing the best. And I remember just like seeing the character and I immediately like understood who he was. Um, and when I went to go do my first test with the girls who were already casted as like the two lead roles. Um, I walk into this room and there was like a giant table and like just fifteen like executive looking people, like just staring at me.

• 22:55Lewis Howes?

  With suits and you're like.

• 22:56Jake Paul?

  Yeah, and I like walk in, I'm like, hey, like what's up guys? Like trying to like crack the, like break the ice and, um, we went into the test.

• 23:05Lewis Howes?

  Were you nervous, intimidated?

• 23:06Jake Paul?

  I was very nervous. I was very nervous, but I was, I practiced so much. I had my lines like perfectly memorized. I knew exactly like, you know, the arcs I was gonna take throughout the scene. Um, and. Like halfway through the scene, I was like playing it so good that the girls I was testing with started laughing. They like broke character because I was like making them laugh so hard. You were too good. And, and, yeah, the executives were laughing too. And sort of after that one, like, I came home and my brother was like, how did it go? And I was like, yo, I, I know I got the role. I know I got the role. Uh, and I kind of just like had that, that mindset of like, yo, like I, I killed that one. I just got to keep on killing it and eventually got the role. Wow.

• 23:51Jake Paul?

  Um, but it was an awesome process and that was probably like one of the, the biggest moments of my career. Getting the call like, hey, like you booked this Disney Channel show. Uh, it was very, very surreal. Um. It's crazy. That's like winning the state championship, national championship. Exactly. And, and I knew that, um, I had to, you know, break into traditional media somehow. In, in some way, and if I was one of the first influencers to do so, then that would set me up for success in the future. Uh, just because like having that experience under my belt, which is like the, the, the Disney, it's like a powerhouse and brand.

• 24:36Jake Paul?

  And the, their connections and they own Marvel and ABC and, um, I was like, okay, this is the right place to be at. And the experience I gained from like just the first season of being on Bizarre Vark was massive. Like shooting 21 episodes, like I could memorize pages of lines in like minutes. Really? And blocking and four cameras pointed at me and like, I basically throughout that process, I lost like all the nervousness I had as an actor. I completely like broke out of my shell, um, which takes, uh, sometimes it takes like a lot of actors a long time to get there. And then once they get there, they're like, they, they're some of the best actors that we see today. Wow.

• 25:23Jake Paul?

  But yeah, I mean, it was it was such a huge moment to to be able to have like a series regular job, something steady as an actor.

• 25:32Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. And again, you're differentiating yourself from all the other big social media influencers who have maybe have 10 million followers, but they don't have mainstream credibility. They don't have something consistent. They're schlepping like uh, sweet tea or whatever it is, or like, you know, like vitamins online.

• 25:47Jake Paul?

  Yeah.

• 25:48Lewis Howes?

  To like continue to make money.

• 25:49Jake Paul?

  Yep.

• 25:49Lewis Howes?

  Cause they've got this audience, but they don't know how to build a business. They don't know how to build their own brand and traditional media around it. Maybe they're getting a few press hits or some articles or features, but they're not doing something like this, like a show, a movie. You know, getting bigger brand deals the way you are, which is interesting.

• 26:05Jake Paul?

  Exactly. And and one thing that I noticed um, after like we finished filming or after the show started airing.

• 26:13Jake Paul?

  A demographic that never previously came up to me in public started coming up to me.

• 26:18Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 26:19Jake Paul?

  And it was an audience that was like five, six, seven years old.

• 26:22Lewis Howes?

  Shut up.

• 26:23Jake Paul?

  That didn't even have cell phones. And so that was like.

• 26:26Lewis Howes?

  You're getting five year olds come up to you?

• 26:27Jake Paul?

  Yeah, and and this was like.

• 26:29Lewis Howes?

  What's your name on the show?

• 26:31Jake Paul?

  Uh, Dirk.

• 26:32Lewis Howes?

  Dirk, so they say you're Dirk?

• 26:33Jake Paul?

  They don't even know Jake. They don't even know Jake.

• 26:35Lewis Howes?

  Dirk!

• 26:35Jake Paul?

  Yeah, they say Dirk, oh my god, uh, like you're on Bizarre Vark and they don't even have cell phones.

• 26:40Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 26:41Jake Paul?

  And that's that and that moment I realized, okay, this decision to like spend a ton of time on making the show was so worth it. Uh, because I'm building into that audience who like eventually will have phones, who can eventually follow me on social media.

• 26:57Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 26:57Jake Paul?

  And while I'm building out this like social media demographic. And so to me, it was all worth it when that started to happen.

• 27:03Lewis Howes?

  Cause you're probably not making as much money as you could be on other things from the show. I'm sure it's making good money, but it's not like as big as a big brand deal could be for you just for one video.

• 27:13Jake Paul?

  Of course, yeah, no, you're right.

• 27:14Lewis Howes?

  And so you're almost sacrificing a certain area of your your, you know, finances and your business to have a huge upside later. You're delaying the gratification.

• 27:24Jake Paul?

  A hundred percent.

• 27:24Lewis Howes?

  By reaching an audience again that really can't do much for you right now, but but also tying yourself to Disney brand and saying you're an actor on Disney is massive.

• 27:33Jake Paul?

  Yeah. And and that was then that was like the thought around it, like. I'm gonna need to invest the the time now and this is gonna pay off later and the the hustle on everything else is gonna have to increase because uh like even now I'm gonna have to vlog every day while on set every day uh so

• 27:52Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 27:53Jake Paul?

  It's gonna it's a lot.

• 27:55Lewis Howes?

  How do you organize you know when I was nineteen I was I couldn't even get to class you know and all I was doing was focusing on football and I don't know like what I was gonna eat that day like how are you as a nineteen or twenty now right?

• 28:07Jake Paul?

  Yeah.

• 28:07Lewis Howes?

  How are you as a twenty year old organizing your day? Your finances, your life, thinking about acting, businesses that we haven't even talked about, building your content every day like you're doing so much every day how does someone at twenty when a lot of people are listening at thirty forty fifty are struggling with organizing their day how are you able to do that?

• 28:27Jake Paul?

  The number one thing two words time management.

• 28:30Lewis Howes?

  And how are you like thinking about that and and what did you how have you learned how to do this?

• 28:35Jake Paul?

  So as as like my day started to fill up to the point where like I couldn't do anything else in the day I had to just go to sleep. I was like how do I prioritize this um and I studied a lot about about time management like prioritizing the the things that you need to get done on a day to day basis what's what's more important like you sitting on your phone and like texting people back right away or getting your video done and and to the editor and being on set and memorizing your lines and taking this specific meeting um and I then invested money to hire employees to like an assistant uh who can basically

• 29:20Jake Paul?

  do a lot of these like small tasks for me that I don't necessarily need to be doing unless I have to be there I'm not gonna do it. Um and she's like scheduling my day and uh you know breaking down things as much as possible and

• 29:39Jake Paul?

  The biggest thing I can say is like habit, the power of like habit and like doing things consistently, you know, waking up at this time, starting your video at this time, having your weekly meeting on Monday at at at ten with all of your employees so so that you know you're gonna have to, you know, get a different piece of content for that day because you're not gonna have as much time to film and um kind of just like knowing all of these things but a lot goes into it and you really, if like my saying is you gotta want it and I think that's like the number one thing is like you gotta want it like there's so much time in a day when I like pause and stop all of these things, I'm like

• 30:19Jake Paul?

  so bored and like the time like just uh so I think I really started to realize like how much time there was in a day and you gotta want it and and cut out all the uh non the the the stuff that doesn't matter um even like a lot of influencers in particularly like they wanna go out to eat for every single meal. Breakfast, go to a breakfast spot, lunch, go to a lunch spot, dinner, go to a dinner spot. That right there is like each of those activities is two hours. I'm like yo, I'm just gonna like have I'm just gonna get a personal chef and like have meal plans and uh microwave the stuff, cook it up, it's healthy, quick, done. So like little things like that uh you have to think about.

• 31:03Lewis Howes?

  They are taking a lot of meetings, aren't they? Just like lunch and dinner meetings or just hanging with friends during breakfast.

• 31:08Jake Paul?

  A lot of it is just like hanging out.

• 31:09Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, it's hanging.

• 31:10Jake Paul?

  Yeah.

• 31:11Lewis Howes?

  It is six hours a day of just like eating.

• 31:13Jake Paul?

  Exactly.

• 31:14Lewis Howes?

  And going to somewhere, yeah.

• 31:15Jake Paul?

  Yeah.

• 31:16Lewis Howes?

  Amazing, man. Do you do you study anyone who does this? Are you reading books? Are you? How are you learning these things?

• 31:23Jake Paul?

  Um, I forget the guy's name. Yeah, I was I was studying it. Um what's his name? Lee Clark, Lee Clark, Lee something? I don't know. He he has a program called like Thrive15, but

• 31:34Lewis Howes?

  Oh, yeah.

• 31:34Jake Paul?

  Have you heard of that?

• 31:35Lewis Howes?

  Heard of that, yeah.

• 31:35Jake Paul?

  So um I watched a couple of videos on there

• 31:39Lewis Howes?

  Yep.

• 31:39Jake Paul?

  that really like talked about how um

• 31:42Lewis Howes?

  Time management and all these things, setting up a day.

• 31:44Jake Paul?

  Exactly, and and the way I think about it is like, yeah, I'm doing all of these things, but like

• 31:52Jake Paul?

  People are doing more.

• 31:53Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 31:54Jake Paul?

  Like, there's celebrities doing more. So, how can I do more? Uh, there's business people who are doing more, like, I just think about the CEO of Uber or, you know, Snapchat, like, imagine how much stuff is on their to-do list, um, and they have to prioritize it.

• 32:13Lewis Howes?

  Mm-hmm.

• 32:13Jake Paul?

  Um, and so I think about it in the same way as much as possible.

• 32:17Lewis Howes?

  Five years ago, before you got into all this stuff, did you imagine you'd be here right now?

• 32:23Jake Paul?

  No.

• 32:24Lewis Howes?

  What did you think you'd be doing, like, finishing school and going to college and, you know, have a girlfriend? Or what was, what was your vision then?

• 32:30Jake Paul?

  My vision then, uh, I was actually training, uh, I was starting to train to become a Navy SEAL.

• 32:37Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 32:37Jake Paul?

  Yeah.

• 32:38Lewis Howes?

  It's typical Ohio, you know, it's like.

• 32:40Jake Paul?

  Of course. No, I was like, I, I didn't know what I wanted to do.

• 32:44Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 32:45Jake Paul?

  Um, my grades weren't that good, um, but I was athletic, I knew how to work hard, and I was smart, I just didn't ever, like, apply myself. Um, and so, started, and like, the Navy SEALs, like, everything that I loved, uh, like, competition, mental toughness.

• 33:02Lewis Howes?

  Brotherhood.

• 33:03Jake Paul?

  Yeah, exactly. Um, and so I was like, fell in love with that, and started putting in a lot of effort into like, figuring out how I was gonna do that. Uh, and, I mean, it's still something I wanna do, but, but, uh.

• 33:16Lewis Howes?

  Maybe you can play a Navy SEAL on a movie.

• 33:18Jake Paul?

  Exactly. That's the great thing about Hollywood is that you can do everything.

• 33:23Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 33:23Jake Paul?

  Um.

• 33:23Lewis Howes?

  So you're on that track, and then, these things kind of unfold. When you started to get in traction, did you realize like, oh, I wanna be like this influencer person, and, and this is what I'm gonna do now? Or did you think you'd be this big?

• 33:39Jake Paul?

  I don't think so. I think, I think part of where we found success is not thinking too much.

• 33:45Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 33:46Jake Paul?

  Which is like, I think a lot of people overthink, like, okay, I need to do this, this, and this, and, uh, you know, it's super hard to become an actor, so I'm not even gonna try. We didn't know how hard it was, but we just like, went for it. I think that's like, part of where we found success, or like, we didn't know, you know, exactly, you know, the formulas for creating like, the best videos online, at this point, like, we were still young and like, green, but we just went for it and posted content.

• 34:12Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 34:13Jake Paul?

  Um, and, I.

• 34:16Jake Paul?

  I think as I, you know, started to progress, I sort of like was learning a lot and and then started to see like where this could go. Um, but definitely from the start, I was like, there was kind of just like um growing followers and like making money from it.

• 34:32Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 34:32Jake Paul?

  Um. Eventually, uh, I realized I needed to have like a vision.

• 34:38Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, yeah. And what is the vision now?

• 34:40Jake Paul?

  Vision now, I uh, I like to think of myself as like a young Ashton Kutcher, like the modern young Ashton Kutcher, where like he takes his um, you know, acting presence and grows that, becomes like, you know, a huge star, but is also on the business side of things and the and the tech side of things and is an investor and you know, if Ashton doesn't want to act, he doesn't have to. Um, and I think a lot of actors are trying to like take that route now, but they don't know how to do it, like they're maybe just good at acting. Um, but the spin on it is like now there's a social media element involved and

• 35:23Jake Paul?

  um, the acting space is a little bit different and like the going, getting to the top is no one's really done it in like today's space now, so there's not like a paved set path.

• 35:34Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 35:34Jake Paul?

  Um, but yeah, like I I want to have this big presence in in the world and be able to um, you know, launch different businesses and and products and and charities and and give back to the fans and um

• 35:54Jake Paul?

  just have fun along the way. I think one of my like very specific goals is I I'd like to be like a superhero or supervillain in like a huge action movie.

• 36:02Lewis Howes?

  Like Marvel.

• 36:03Jake Paul?

  Yeah.

• 36:04Lewis Howes?

  That's sweet.

• 36:04Jake Paul?

  Yeah.

• 36:05Lewis Howes?

  The Green Goblin.

• 36:06Jake Paul?

  I like, I I want to play like a uh, like the Joker or something like that, like a hard role, like challenging, yeah.

• 36:13Lewis Howes?

  I could see that. Huh. That's cool, man. I'd see as the uh, the young Ashton Kutcher for sure. I mean, that guy's really paved out an incredible career for himself, great brand, and he's, you know, invested in multiple, you know, companies as well. I'm an investor in one of the companies he's an investor in, and uh, it's been incredible to see what he's done. I don't know him personally, but he's always impressed me, so.

• 36:34Jake Paul?

  Yeah, no, same.

• 36:35Lewis Howes?

  He could do that. I mean, hey, that's a great vision, man.

• 36:38Jake Paul?

  Thank you.

• 36:38Lewis Howes?

  That's awesome. And so you're, it's what's fascinating now is you're twenty years old and you've got.

• 36:45Lewis Howes?

  You've started a couple of companies already and you have this thing called Team Ten, is that correct?

• 36:49Jake Paul?

  Yeah.

• 36:50Lewis Howes?

  And what is Team Ten and what was the vision for creating this?

• 36:53Jake Paul?

  So, sort of right when I, backtracking, like before the acting stuff, like that's one side of me. Social media side's one side. The business side is like, I was sitting here in LA, I was like, how do I become bigger than just myself? Um, or how do I create like an empire? Uh, and I asked myself, and like a lot, a couple of my mentors were like,

• 37:19Jake Paul?

  think of how you can create money while you're sleeping, like mailbox money, where like you're just getting checks. Um, for not doing anything necessarily. And I started to think of how this would be applicable. And I was like studying the entertainment space and I saw what Dr. Dre did. Uh, where he was a big artist himself, he had a skill set. And he would find people with the potential to be like him. He would teach them that skill set, help them like cultivate it and then put them in front of his audience. Uh, and from that they would blow up. Outcomes Eminem, 50 Cent, Snoop Dogg, Tupac. And he starts to create this network and Dr. Dre becomes bigger than himself.

• 38:03Jake Paul?

  But then what he did that was special was like, takes that network of influential people that he's very close with. And puts a pair of headphones on him. And then that's his billion dollar exit. And so I was like, okay, is this same model applicable in social media? Uh, can I find someone else? Who has potential, small following and make them massive online? Um, and so I put it to the test and it immediately worked. I found these kids, they had like 30,000 followers at the time. And uh. Like brothers or? They're brothers, they're twins, yeah, and and. Brought them out to Los Angeles for like a month.

• 38:47Jake Paul?

  Started making videos with them. Taught them like, you know, little tips and tricks to add to their content. Taught them like how to post across the different platforms, like all the little things that go into it. And I put them in front of my audience. And they were young, good looking and good at making videos. So they immediately went from like thirty thousand followers, like five hundred thousand. In a matter of weeks. Wow. And so I was like, okay, this worked. What are they at now? Now they're at like fifteen million. What? Yeah. On one channel or on all channels? Just all their channels combined. Wow. Yeah. Uh, but at the time, it was kind of just like a test and. Uh. I was seeing if it would work. So, and I was still seventeen at the time. It's crazy. It sounds cliche.

• 39:32Jake Paul?

  But. What I found in. Growing out the the network that I have with other influencers is like. At the start, I was just always giving and giving and giving and seeing nothing in return. And then later on, that's when the rewards come. And so I think as much as you can give to people without expecting anything in return. Whether that's giving to charities, whether that's giving people advice, whether that's. Giving people promotion in a in a video. Or, you know, giving back to your fans and thanking them. I think that always comes full circle. And what goes around comes around, and I think life will then. Give give back to you.

• 40:17Jake Paul?

  Um, because at the start of like growing Team Ten alone. It was just like. A lot of. Giving and nothing in return. Uh, until like very recently, actually. Um, and so.

• 40:34Jake Paul?

  I found out that if you can give in relationships or in business or in. Life or to charities that I I really think that. Whatever the higher power is, I think there's something up there that then gives you that back in in greater form. That's great, man.

• 40:55Lewis Howes?

  What does it take to be a true champion? To be the best in the world at something? You lived it for a long time. What does a mindset have to be like? If someone wants to be the best at what they do?

• 41:06Mike Tyson?

  It's just dedicating and sacrificing your life to being a particular way you want to be. Like you want to conduct, say you want to be like Tony Robbins. You get all the information you can about Tony Robbins. And you conduct yourself, this is how I want to live my life. This is almost like, um... What do we call this place? This is your manuscript.

• 41:28Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 41:28Mike Tyson?

  You know what I mean?

• 41:29Lewis Howes?

  Your blueprint, yeah.

• 41:30Mike Tyson?

  Yeah, this is what I'm gonna do.

• 41:32Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 41:32Mike Tyson?

  And I'm gonna live like Tony... I'm not gonna be Tony Robbins. I'm gonna live it, I'm gonna conduct myself like Tony Robbins.

• 41:40Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, so you gotta live it, you gotta breathe it.

• 41:42Mike Tyson?

  And you have to be that before you actually become the person.

• 41:45Lewis Howes?

  Interesting.

• 41:45Mike Tyson?

  You're not gonna become the person over there like, you think you're prepared to be Tony Robbins right now? Wait till now, tomorrow you're Tony Robbins. You didn't know. It's gonna take time, so I'm gonna become this guy. You know, I'm gonna be this guy before, because you're not ready. But when the time comes, you're gonna be ready. You're gonna be Tony Robbins. This is my life, I'm accustomed to this. Of course I got this role. Of course I got this job. Of course I got this ready. I prepared for it. You wouldn't even be surprised.

• 42:09Lewis Howes?

  Before you became the champ the first time, were you visualizing and imagining?

• 42:13Mike Tyson?

  Ever since I was 14. This is who I am. This is who I'm gonna be. I'm gonna conduct, this is the guy. You have to be the champ before you be the champion. You understand that? Does that make sense?

• 42:21Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 42:23Mike Tyson?

  This is really, because it sounds like you have to be him before you can be him. You can't just pop it by training and doing push-ups and knocking people out. This is I'm the champion. No, you have to be the actual champ. Your conduct, your lifestyle, have to be the champ before you actually wear the belt. Maybe that's better. You have to be the champ before you can even wear a belt.

• 42:43Lewis Howes?

  Wow, so you were saying, I'm gonna be the champ. You were living like the champ.

• 42:46Mike Tyson?

  That's what I did. I would read books about them, that's all I did. Read books about them, watched them fight. That's my life. When I was in school, I wasn't training. I was watching them, reading about them.

• 42:57Lewis Howes?

  Watching the greats?

• 42:58Mike Tyson?

  Yeah.

• 42:59Lewis Howes?

  Wow. What's the best advice you ever got from a champion before you?

• 43:06Mike Tyson?

  I don't know, most of them, the advice they gave me about life, and they said, "You have to live your own life." Because you can't live your life like me. I can't live my life like you, you know? And we're just all different. And some of them say, "Take care of your money," you know? They regret about that.

• 43:29Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 43:30Mike Tyson?

  But I used to learn from afar. A lot of these guys, I just watched the way they conduct themselves. They're always dignified. Most of them. Last one had some mental issues. He had damage from boxing. They're a little bit outrageous. But other than that, most of them are very dignified and classy men.

• 43:46Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. What was your biggest weakness when you were the champ for so long? As you were knocking guys out in the first round, first few seconds, what was the biggest weakness in your game and also in your life?

• 44:00Mike Tyson?

  I don't know. I think I was a gut and I just wanted everything.

• 44:04Lewis Howes?

  Material things, to win, women, this, everything.

• 44:06Mike Tyson?

  Everything, I wanted everything, yeah.

• 44:07Lewis Howes?

  You wanted the world.

• 44:09Mike Tyson?

  Right now, no. That's the only thing I wanted. Now, I didn't want it yesterday. Tomorrow, I want it right now. It's instant.

• 44:17Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 44:18Mike Tyson?

  And if you can't give it to me, I don't want it no more.

• 44:20Lewis Howes?

  If I can't get it right now?

• 44:21Mike Tyson?

  Yeah, I don't want it no more. Yeah, anything I couldn't have, anything I couldn't have, I despise and hate it.

• 44:27Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 44:28Mike Tyson?

  Yeah, if I couldn't have that girl, I hate that girl.

• 44:31Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 44:31Mike Tyson?

  If I couldn't have that car, those cars, anybody that drive that car.

• 44:36Lewis Howes?

  Why do you think that was? If you couldn't have it right now, you didn't like it anymore?

• 44:39Mike Tyson?

  Because I didn't need no distractions.

• 44:41Lewis Howes?

  Oh, wow.

• 44:41Mike Tyson?

  That made me feel anything, then I'm less than immortal.

• 44:45Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 44:45Mike Tyson?

  Yeah.

• 44:46Lewis Howes?

  So if you couldn't get it right now, it made you feel less than immortal?

• 44:49Mike Tyson?

  Yeah.

• 44:49Lewis Howes?

  So you were like, "Get it out of my life."

• 44:51Mike Tyson?

  Exactly.

• 44:52Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 44:55Lewis Howes?

  What's the craziest thing you wanted that you got right now? That you were like demanding everything? And what did you, someone, I mean, what was? Something flew in from Dubai overnight? And you got like a steak dinner from somewhere?

• 45:08Mike Tyson?

  I never thought about that. But I'm sure it was bizarre or something.

• 45:12Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. I want a tiger right now. Give me a tiger.

• 45:16Mike Tyson?

  It's just the mentality, that's just the way I was raised as a fighter to think. Because if you couldn't get it, it would distract you. Why can't I possess that? If I'm so great, why can't I possess that? It'll distract you from the goals in life.

• 45:32Lewis Howes?

  What do you think is your greatest weakness right now, this time of your life?

• 45:36Mike Tyson?

  I don't know, my friends and my kids and stuff, family.

• 45:40Lewis Howes?

  It's a weakness?

• 45:41Mike Tyson?

  Yeah, because people are, we're losing so many people. They say, you know, he's dead, she's sick. My friend's mother just died yesterday. Everybody's so dying, everybody's so sad, and then wow, you know?

• 45:52Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 45:53Mike Tyson?

  Instead of, you know, we should always look at death as something glorious, you know? Because, listen, life is very interesting, listen.

• 46:03Mike Tyson?

  We got it for nothing. Look at what we receive. We have kids, we have grandkids, all of a sudden, well, it's not your mother. And father, and they saw each other, and they, hey, we in love, we may love them, we're here. Look what we got. Look what you're doing, look at your show. It's because these people were in love. You know what I mean? This is glorious.

• 46:23Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 46:24Mike Tyson?

  For free.

• 46:25Lewis Howes?

  Free. We have to pay anything to be here.

• 46:27Mike Tyson?

  Nothing. You can't get married when it's our time to go. It's free.

• 46:32Lewis Howes?

  What do you think about with death?

• 46:34Mike Tyson?

  Death is beautiful, you know? How could life be beautiful if death is not beautiful? Because there wouldn't be, there wouldn't be life if there wasn't death.

• 46:43Lewis Howes?

  Wow. So death isn't something you're afraid of?

• 46:46Mike Tyson?

  At one stage in my life, you know? And then you reach 52, and you say, well, I'm not going to get another 52.

• 46:53Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 46:54Mike Tyson?

  And then you know, wow, what happened to that time? My whole perspective on life is different. My whole perspective is what I needed, what I wanted. That was all about what I needed, what I needed for someone else that I love. When am I leaving when I'm gone? It's really bizarre, right? When you have the actual confrontation and aspect of immortality, no longer existing.

• 47:20Lewis Howes?

  What do you think is your biggest superpower right now? Like your biggest strength?

• 47:27Mike Tyson?

  I think it's me, who I am.

• 47:31Mike Tyson?

  My essence, my existence.

• 47:34Mike Tyson?

  When I'm no longer here, it does no longer exist.

• 47:39Lewis Howes?

  How do you want to be remembered now?

• 47:42Mike Tyson?

  Just remembered, it doesn't matter how. You know how many thousands of years are gonna go by once I die? It's no longer matter.

• 47:52Lewis Howes?

  No one's gonna remember, yeah, a couple dozen years, yeah. So what's the biggest fear for you right now?

• 48:01Lewis Howes?

  You know how many big fears right now?

• 48:06Mike Tyson?

  Besides, um, you know, eventually, I wouldn't want my kids getting sick. I want them to have a life like I had, to see the world like I see.

• 48:16Mike Tyson?

  Other than that, no, I'm prepared to meet God, yeah.

• 48:20Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 48:22Lewis Howes?

  What was the biggest mentor you had when you were in jail? Was there anyone in jail that taught you anything, or no one?

• 48:33Mike Tyson?

  I was just, um, I was just radical in jail, and my mentor, I need to run it all. It all needs my.

• 48:38Lewis Howes?

  Really? You were like, I'm gonna run this whole place?

• 48:42Mike Tyson?

  I wanted to be in control, I wanted to do this, I wanna have my food brought to me.

• 48:46Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 48:47Mike Tyson?

  It's a mindset you get once you get put in that situation.

• 48:52Mike Tyson?

  I'm a maniac then.

• 48:54Lewis Howes?

  Wow. What was the biggest thing you learned about yourself during that time?

• 49:05Mike Tyson?

  I don't know.

• 49:08Mike Tyson?

  I learned that I didn't wanna be there.

• 49:14Mike Tyson?

  I was afraid.

• 49:15Lewis Howes?

  To be there?

• 49:16Mike Tyson?

  No, I was afraid that I lost everything that I had at once.

• 49:20Lewis Howes?

  You lost all your, you lost all of your money at one point, right?

• 49:23Mike Tyson?

  Yeah, but no, well, no, no, not that time, that time I still had money. When I was in prison, I still had money, there wasn't no bankruptcy stuff, but I couldn't do nothing. So I would call my accountants, send money to them, somebody needs money. I would still take care of my friends and their bills and stuff, but, um...

• 49:43Lewis Howes?

  You're afraid you lost everything else?

• 49:44Mike Tyson?

  Yeah.

• 49:44Lewis Howes?

  Like the titles, like the respect?

• 49:46Mike Tyson?

  No, just, um...

• 49:50Mike Tyson?

  Things you could have done if you didn't have this [BLEEP]. And, uh, what do you call it? Garbage, you know? What is this garbage, yeah? You didn't have this garbage, what you could have accomplished. There's a lot of things, a lot of people, it's [BLEEP] it up. I said, "Oh, man."

• 50:10Lewis Howes?

  What do you think you could have accomplished had you not gone to jail?

• 50:15Mike Tyson?

  Really good stuff, but, um... I've accomplished it when I came out.

• 50:19Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 50:20Mike Tyson?

  And I still wasn't happy. It was just all in my mind. All the things I thought I could accomplish, and only if I didn't win the jail, was just a hallucination in my mind. I went to jail, I still accomplished everything, not more than I thought I would accomplish.

• 50:35Lewis Howes?

  Because you came out and you still won the title?

• 50:37Mike Tyson?

  Yeah, it was just, um...

• 50:39Lewis Howes?

  You made a bunch of money?

• 50:40Mike Tyson?

  It was just an illusion, you know? I was chasing an illusion. It was just, it never existed, but it was in my head.

• 50:48Mike Tyson?

  You know, it was in my head, I was getting revenge. For who? I'm no one, no one got you in jail with you? Who am I getting revenge on? It's just my head was...

• 50:57Mike Tyson?

  You know?

• 50:57Lewis Howes?

  What happened to your life when you started studying spirituality more?

• 51:02Mike Tyson?

  I don't know. Spirituality is pretty tricky, you know? It's pretty much just letting it wing you. So just imagine if it was like this. And then you realize I can make it like this.

• 51:17Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 51:17Mike Tyson?

  You know, spirituality, I don't know. It wipes everything... This is what spirituality is. It wipes everything that I ever believed, it makes it a lie.

• 51:28Mike Tyson?

  You know?

• 51:30Lewis Howes?

  What, I mean, what did you used to believe that makes it a lie now?

• 51:34Mike Tyson?

  I believed just what everybody else, Adam and Eve. Yeah. I believed that, yeah, that's what I believed. You know? I believed all that crap.

• 51:44Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 51:45Mike Tyson?

  And everything, and so that's the, um, paradigm shift. When everything you've been taught your whole life, and then it comes the time you realize it was a lie. Now how do we start from there? Wow. We live in a lie.

• 52:02Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 52:02Mike Tyson?

  We have to make up our own lie and live in this lie. You know, it's gonna take until you find, if you checked and tried to figure out to the day you die, you would never figure it out. It's based thousands and thousands and how many millions alive and years of lives and and some people just dedicated their whole lives to try to figure out the lies and what's this world about and they found out nothing. They got that, you know, they have this big encyclopedia mind about wonderful things and history of the world and stuff, but we don't have to answer still.

• 52:39Mike Tyson?

  It's just a beautiful ride.

• 52:41Lewis Howes?

  Just enjoy the ride.

• 52:42Mike Tyson?

  Yeah.

• 52:43Lewis Howes?

  And don't try to figure everything out.

• 52:44Mike Tyson?

  No way, it's a beautiful ride. We don't do that, the tenebriums, we don't do that. We don't enjoy the ride. Not like, we gotta figure this out, this is not right, this is not, that's how we are.

• 52:57Lewis Howes?

  Do you think if you had-

• 52:58Mike Tyson?

  You wanna spoil something.

• 52:59Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, I know. Do you think if you had more peace in your heart, more love in your heart in your twenties, thirties, do you think you would have enjoyed the ride more? And do you think would have been able to be as successful in the boxing world if you had peace and love in your heart?

• 53:16Mike Tyson?

  I didn't know. All my life I read about the conquest, Alexander the Great, Genghis Khan, Charlemagne, all these crazy gods, Clovis, I read about these guys, you know what I mean? They had declared themselves gods. You know, depend, you think of great prophets, think of Jesus, of Prophet Muhammad, that's when the part was in the time of Alexander the Great, he was eliminated.

• 53:44Mike Tyson?

  They wouldn't exist anymore. Everything is proper timing, you know? In certain worlds, in certain times, they would never existed.

• 53:53Lewis Howes?

  When do you think was the moment you started to feel more peace in your heart? Like, inner peace?

• 54:00Mike Tyson?

  I don't know, when I had the responsibility of just taking care of my family.

• 54:05Lewis Howes?

  That's when it shifted more?

• 54:06Mike Tyson?

  Yeah, after I tried to destroy it, it didn't work. And I said, well, I have to take care of this stuff. I have to really confront, what am I gonna do here? You know, and then I said, this is what I'm gonna do. And I'm gonna dedicate my life, and that was a mess too. And then eventually, we have 10 years. You know, it worked out. You know, we have a great deal of respect for one another.

• 54:30Lewis Howes?

  Where do you think you'd be if you had no kids right now?

• 54:32Mike Tyson?

  I wouldn't exist.

• 54:34Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 54:34Mike Tyson?

  No way.

• 54:36Lewis Howes?

  Where would you be?

• 54:37Mike Tyson?

  I don't know, probably, probably dead with AIDS or something. Really? I wouldn't exist. Or maybe somebody would kill me for, with their wife or girlfriend. You never know, I'll probably be a junkie.

• 54:50Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 54:50Mike Tyson?

  Without kids, that's the only thing that stayed on me.

• 54:52Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 54:53Mike Tyson?

  That's the only thing that gave me any kind of meaning.

• 54:57Mike Tyson?

  When I have kids, the world, I don't give a...

• 55:02Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 55:03Mike Tyson?

  You never had to talk.

• 55:05Lewis Howes?

  Do you wish you would have had kids younger then, or?

• 55:08Mike Tyson?

  No, when I accomplished my goals, and everything's proper timing.

• 55:12Lewis Howes?

  Proper timing, yeah.

• 55:13Mike Tyson?

  You just, you think you're paying check, or you think you're, you're navigating your life, but you're not.

• 55:19Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 55:20Mike Tyson?

  You know, you think you, I know you say, why don't I just go out here and do some joking? My life up there, Mike don't think I'm navigating my life, I'm just, you're just not, you're not programmed to do that then. And if you were programmed to do it, you're programmed to come back and rebound.

• 55:32Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 55:33Mike Tyson?

  Your life is not meant to go there, it's just not meant to be.

• 55:36Lewis Howes?

  Wow. What do you think is the lesson you still wanna learn for yourself? Like, the challenge you wanna overcome still? To make you a better person?

• 55:44Mike Tyson?

  I can't, I can't never find that. You know, because that lesson, that's the thing I wanna realize is, why me? Why is this happening? I'm never gonna figure it out.

• 55:56Lewis Howes?

  What's the question you wish you could have answered?

• 56:00Mike Tyson?

  Why is this school a mine? Why is my purpose here?

• 56:04Mike Tyson?

  You know, but I can make sense. I can think my purpose is to be the best person I could possibly be before I die. You know what I mean? That could be my purpose in life. See how far we can go in life before we die.

• 56:17Mike Tyson?

  You know?

• 56:19Mike Tyson?

  But suppose, but suppose, um, people don't think in that perspective. That's what L L Cool J told me, because I'm talking some, I think I'm talking some glamour and shit. I'm talking some fly. And he was telling me, I'm Mike, you know, there's some people that live in outskirts of Ohio somewhere, they just live a simple life and that's all they want to do, Mike.

• 56:39Lewis Howes?

  Enjoy their life.

• 56:40Mike Tyson?

  You talking about, don't mean nothing, Mike. They afraid to die, afraid to meet God, taking care of the kids, the people they love. Or may go on a vacation, may never go on a vacation. Or leave the town, but this is just a simple life. This is what makes them happy.

• 56:54Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 56:55Mike Tyson?

  And I really can't, you know, I come to the place, if you're nothing, if you're anything, something, you're nothing.

• 57:02Mike Tyson?

  You know, isn't that so? Shower, if you're not something, you're not, what's my definition of something? Somebody with a fucking lot of money in their pocket? I have no concept of humanity is what life is. Does that mean I have a lot, I should be able to violate that person that doesn't?

• 57:21Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 57:21Mike Tyson?

  I don't know.

• 57:22Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 57:23Mike Tyson?

  I'm lost again.

• 57:25Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 57:26Mike Tyson?

  I should just try to figure, you have to go with the flow.

• 57:30Lewis Howes?

  How did you learn to finally start forgiving yourself?

• 57:33Mike Tyson?

  All right. That, man, that happened, um, excuse me, that must have happened yesterday or something. And that stuff, um, you just don't do that stuff overnight, it doesn't work like, at least for me, it doesn't work like that.

• 57:47Lewis Howes?

  Took a long time to forgive yourself?

• 57:48Mike Tyson?

  Yeah, because I only, um, I know my demons and I realize in life, everybody's gonna really find them out eventually. You think you gotta hide that, it doesn't work that way.

• 58:03Lewis Howes?

  So you just started to forgive yourself on things? Or it's happening every day?

• 58:07Mike Tyson?

  You know, it comes around, yeah.

• 58:09Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 58:10Mike Tyson?

  I'm not gonna hate my... You said it's cool, man. God love you, that's for sure. I don't function, I don't think that. I don't think God leaves you to figure it out. It's not yourself. Is it cool? It's cool. It's not, it's not, you figure it out.

• 58:25Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. And what are you most proud of in your life that you've done?

• 58:29Mike Tyson?

  I'm proud of existing.

• 58:31Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 58:31Mike Tyson?

  I love to be alive. I know that my family's all alive. I'm proud to be alive and existing, yeah.

• 58:38Lewis Howes?

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• 59:22Lewis Howes?

  And now it's time to go out there and do something great.