How to Rewire Your Brain and Heal Disease | Dr. Joe Dispenza

Dr. Joe Dispenza was told he'd never walk again after a truck ran over him during a triathlon, shattering six vertebrae in his spine. Instead of accepting the prognosis and undergoing dangerous surgery, he made a radical choice to heal himself through the power of his mind, spending hours each day reconstructing his spine in his imagination and connecting to an invisible intelligence within. Ten and a half weeks later, he was back on his feet, defying every medical prediction. This experience launched him on a decades-long journey studying the mind-body connection, quantum physics, and the science of transformation. Now, through his research with thousands of brain scans and his week-long events around the world, he's teaching people how to become nobody, step into the quantum field, and create miraculous healings from stage four cancer to blindness to paralysis. Dr. Joe’s retreatsCheck out Dr. Joe’s film SourceDr. Joe’s book Becoming Supernatural: How Common People Are Doing the UncommonDr. Joe’s book Breaking the Habit of Being Yourself: How to Lose Your Mind and Create a New OneIn this episode you will:Discover why 95% of who you are by age 35 is just a set of memorized behaviors and emotional reactions running on autopilot, and how becoming conscious of these unconscious patterns is the first step to freedomLearn the exact formula for entering the quantum field where all possibilities exist by becoming nobody, no one, nothing, nowhere, and no timeMaster the science of creating brain and heart coherence to amplify your energy and broadcast a completely new signature into the fieldUnderstand why stress hormones keep you enslaved to three-dimensional reality and how to break free by changing your brainwaves and opening your awarenessTransform your relationship with healing by learning how to signal your genes to turn off disease and turn on repair, regeneration, and restorationFor more information go to https://lewishowes.com/1857For more Greatness text PODCAST to +1 (614) 350-3960More SOG episodes we think you’ll love:Muniba Mazari – greatness.lnk.to/1684SCSadhguru – greatness.lnk.to/1800SCDr. Marc Brackett – greatness.lnk.to/1843SC Get more from Lewis! Get my New York Times Bestselling book, Make Money Easy! Get The Greatness Mindset audiobook on SpotifyText Lewis AIYouTubeInstagramWebsiteTiktokFacebookX Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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• 0:00Joe Dispenza?

  Nobody changes until they change their energy. When you change your energy, you change your life. And when you're truly focused and you're truly paying attention and you're in the present moment, all of a sudden, you will leave this three-dimensional reality. And when you leave this three-dimensional reality, there's only one other place you go, and that is the realm of thought, and that's called the quantum field.

• 0:19Speaker 01

  The voice behind a movement that blends science and spirit in a way that's both real and revolutionary.

• 0:26Joe Dispenza?

  Please give a warm welcome to Dr. Joe Dispenza. The latest research on genes says genes don't create disease. It's the environment that signals the gene that creates disease.

• 0:35Speaker 01

  The emotional environment or the physical environment?

• 0:37Joe Dispenza?

  Your environment. Thoughts are the language of the brain and feelings are the language of the body. And how you think and how you feel creates your state of being. Those chemicals give the brain and body a rush of energy. And people become addicted to that rush of energy. So now they use the problems and conditions in their life to reaffirm their addiction to that emotion. They need the bad job. You gotta lay down the very thing you used your whole life to get what you want for something greater to occur.

• 1:05Speaker 01

  Now, you've been working with teaching people how to heal themselves with their minds, right? Overcome disease, overcome any type of chronic illness or pain through the mind, the principle of the mind. I grew up in a religion called Christian Science that did not use medicine. I didn't get vaccinations when I was a kid. My dad wouldn't let me go to the hospital. He wanted to use thought, prayer, the mindset to overcome any pain or any physical ailment. And so, this is something that I was learning in a different way as an early kid. When did you start to learn about this philosophy or principle or truth and start applying it to your life?

• 1:46Joe Dispenza?

  Well, I got rowered by a truck in a triathlon in 1986 on a biking portion of the race. I broke six vertebrae in my spine and I was told that I'd never walk again. And so, the typical surgical procedure for multiple compression fractures with cord impingement is this surgery called Harrington rod surgery. And in my case, they were gonna cut off the backs of parts of my vertebrae from the base of my neck to the base of my spine. They screw in these long stainless steel rods. And when you screw those rods in into the vertebrae, it acts like a can lever. It lifts the spinal column off the cord. But the prognosis was I probably wouldn't walk again and that the surgery was hopeful

• 2:28Joe Dispenza?

  that it would give me some relief and I think if it was any other patient, Louis, besides me, I probably would have recommended surgery, but this was me.

• 2:36Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 2:36Joe Dispenza?

  And I just couldn't rush into it. So I had four opinions, you know, from four of the leading surgeons in Southern California and they were adamant that I needed this surgery.

• 2:44Speaker 01

  All four of them?

• 2:45Joe Dispenza?

  All four of them. Yeah, in fact, the medical director of Scripps Hospital at the time was my surgeon. And he was, he thought I had a head injury or he thought, you know, that I had PTSD, that I wasn't just following his instruction. Anyway, I decided against the surgery and I thought, well, listen, I'm not going anywhere. I'm not doing anything. I'm basically laying face down. And I thought, well, there's an intelligence that's giving us life, that's keeping our heart beating and digesting our food. It really knows how to heal way better than me. This innate intelligence is what's giving us life. And I thought, well, if it's an intelligence, it's a consciousness. And consciousness is awareness and awareness is paying attention, so it must be paying attention to me. So I

• 3:27Joe Dispenza?

  said, look, maybe I'll just spend the rest of my time trying to connect to this intelligence and give it a plan, give it a design, give it a template. And when I was really present and complete with that design, I would surrender this creation to this greater mind and allow it to do the healing for me. And the other thing I said is I'm not going to let any thought slip by my awareness that I don't want to experience. Now, that sounds really easy, right?

• 3:51Speaker 01

  It's really hard.

• 3:52Joe Dispenza?

  But when you're faced with crisis or trauma, we tend to focus on what we don't want to have happen instead of what we do want to have happen. So I started on this journey. I decided against the surgery and it was a big revolution at the time. And I went through six and a half weeks of hell. I just could not get my mind to do what I wanted to do because I'd start reconstructing my vertebrae and imaging an outcome and then I'd start thinking I'm going to be living in a wheelchair or should I sell my practice?

• 4:19Speaker 01

  So you were thinking about the way you wanted your body to look and feel in your mind?

• 4:23Joe Dispenza?

  I reconstructed every single...

• 4:25Speaker 01

  In the mind?

• 4:26Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah, in my mind. I wanted to show it exactly three dimensionally.

• 4:29Speaker 01

  In your mind?

• 4:29Joe Dispenza?

  In my mind.

• 4:30Speaker 01

  You're not drawing it out or...

• 4:31Joe Dispenza?

  No, no, no. In my mind, I was reconstructing.

• 4:32Speaker 01

  Visualizing it?

• 4:33Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah, visualizing. And I wanted to say, look, take a look at that. Because this intelligence is always present, right? So we gotta be present with it. So I'd start off reconstructing my spine and then I'd be like, oh gosh, um, should I sell my practice? What if I live in a wheelchair? You practice a chiropractic process and stuff? Yeah, in, in the Southern California, La Jolla. So, uh, I couldn't get my mind to do what I wanted to do. And then after six weeks, I just went through the whole thing. I felt like I hit a golf ball right in the sweet spot. Something clicked. And from that point forward, what took me two and a half or three hours to do, I was able to do in forty-five minutes. I was firing and wiring, you know, these new circuits and I was practicing paying attention. And then all of a sudden I started noticing dramatic changes in my health like this.

• 5:15Joe Dispenza?

  And the moment I started noticing changes in my body, what was going on outside of me? I started correlating it what I was doing inside of me. Now I was just hooked and I just started doing it with more passion and more sincerity. Anyway, back on my feet in ten and a half weeks, back training at twelve weeks, back in my clinic and, um, and I just made a deal with myself that if I was ever able to walk again, I'd spend the rest of my life studying the mind-body connection and mind over matter. And then that led me to just stop everything in my life. I just wasn't the same guy. I'd just been initiated into something and sold my practice, sold my home. Sold it all. Sold it all, moved to the Northwest and I just started asking bigger questions like, who am I? What is, why am I here? What, what are we doing? What happens when we die?

• 5:58Joe Dispenza?

  And how did, how did all this happen for me? What, what was the process? I started studying the, the science behind it and I couldn't find it in any conventional textbooks because this was unconventional, right? And miraculous is kind of unconventional. So I started studying quantum physics and neuroscience and epigenetics. And it started making sense. I started building this model of understanding. Then I asked the fundamental question, has anybody else done it? So then I traveled to seventeen different countries and interviewed Wow. hundreds and hundreds of people with, uh, serious health conditions that were treating either conventionally or unconventionally. They were staying the same or getting worse. And all of a sudden I got better. So what was the cause that produced the effect, you know? And the stories and what I learned was so amazing.

• 6:43Joe Dispenza?

  I went back to school and studied neuroscience because mind was such a strong element. It wasn't diet. It wasn't celibacy. It wasn't any of those things. It was just really this element. And then so then I was able to. Figure out that there were four common things. And then I wrote a book about it and then I thought, God, if this works really on people that were sick and are better and they come from all walks of life, all colors, all races, all genders, sexual preferences, but all of a sudden, I wanted to see if I was able to reproduce it. So then I started seeing, okay, let's see if we can teach this, be able to reproduce the outcome, because that's science, right? So I went through about-

• 7:24Speaker 01

  What were the four common things?

• 7:26Joe Dispenza?

  Uh, the first one was that they're, they all believed and accepted that there was an intelligence that lived within them that was giving them life.

• 7:33Speaker 01

  These people you interviewed who had had injuries that overcame-

• 7:36Joe Dispenza?

  No, no, these are people with cancer, MS, lupus, Parkinson's disease.

• 7:40Speaker 01

  Who got better.

• 7:41Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah, just spontaneously, and it's called a spontaneous revelation.

• 7:44Speaker 01

  So they believed there was an intelligence.

• 7:46Joe Dispenza?

  There was some invisible life force that was, they were connected to, that they felt like they had lost their connection to, they became separate and disconnected from. And that when they got the diagnosis, they woke up and said, man, I gotta connect again and I gotta connect to my essence. Uh, and so they developed a relationship with it, just like you develop a relationship with anybody. It takes time, you gotta be present, you gotta connect, you gotta experience, you gotta be present, all of these things are important elements, so. So that was the first thing. Um, the second thing was that they realized that it was the mismanagement of their emotions and the hormones of stress that really began to create their condition. Now, now, stress is when your brain and body are knocked out of balance.

• 8:31Joe Dispenza?

  Uh, stress, uh, is when your body's knocked out of homeostasis. We have an innate mechanism in our body that returns us back to order. So then if you're, someone cuts you off on the LA freeway, you have an emotional reaction, but 15 minutes later, you're back to driving and you're over it, right? That's, all organisms in nature can tolerate short-term stress.

• 8:50Speaker 01

  But when it's all day long, all week, all year.

• 8:52Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah, so if you're reacting to, like if Tyrannosaurus rex is chasing you, uh, you have to make a decision, am I gonna use 20% of my energy or am I gonna use 100%? So it turns out when you're reacting to traffic-

• 9:03Speaker 01

  200%.

• 9:04Joe Dispenza?

  Oh, right, or if you're reacting to your coworker sitting in the cubicle next to you. You're turning on that response and what was once very adaptive becomes very maladaptive. Because when you turn on the stress response and you can't turn it off, now you're headed for disease because nobody can live in emergency mode for that extended period of time. Well, human beings, we can turn on the stress response just by thought alone. You can think about your problems and you're producing the same biological effects. So those chemicals give the brain and body a rush of energy and people become addicted to that rush of energy. So now they use the problems and conditions in their life to reaffirm their addiction to that emotion. They need the bad job. They need the poor relationship. So that means they become addicted to the life that they don't even like.

• 9:47Joe Dispenza?

  Why do we need the bad job or bad relationship and stay stuck in those? Because it's a conditioned response. So listen, if you get angry at a coworker and all of a sudden you get arousal in your brain and body, right? You get a rush of energy. When you start noticing that your body starts dropping, your brain starts noticing your energy starts dropping, you're automatically going to have the image of the coworker in order to what? Give your body the jolt, right? So all of a sudden, people become addicted to their own thoughts, right? So these people realize that, oh my God, I've been mismanaging my attention and energy and I gotta, I gotta get beyond my past. I gotta get beyond these emotions.

• 10:32Joe Dispenza?

  I gotta make some big changes. I gotta break the habit of being myself, you know? I gotta stop being this person. Now, that sounds really good theoretically and philosophically, but change is such a hard thing, right? Because the moment you come back to your senses and you step back into your life and you see that person or you go to that place or you're with that experience, so many people are unconsciously reacting in their thoughts and feelings to everything in their environment. So now their environment is controlling how they think and feel. So they realize that in order to change. They gotta change their environment. They gotta be greater than their environment, greater than the conditions in the world, greater than the circumstances. Be mindful of that every time it comes up to me like, okay, I'm gonna think differently. I'm not gonna react this way. Yeah, right. I'm not gonna go back.

• 11:17Joe Dispenza?

  I'm not gonna go back because the moment you start reacting emotionally, emotions are a record of the past. And if those emotions are driving your thoughts, you're thinking in the past. And if you can't think greater than how you feel and you believe your thoughts have something to do with your destiny. You're creating more of your past, right? So it turns out that the repetition of thinking and feeling and feeling and thinking, these loops that people get caught in, condition their body to subconsciously become the mind of that emotion. Which means now, their body is their unconscious mind is believing they're living in the same past experience 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year. What's the relevance behind that? Well, the latest research on genes says genes don't create disease.

• 12:01Joe Dispenza?

  It's the environment that signals the gene that creates disease. The emotional environment or the physical environment? Your environment, any environmental reaction. But if you're reacting emotionally to your environment the same way, you're signaling the same gene in the same way and now you're headed for a genetic destiny. So, huh, the hormones of stress push the genetic buttons that create disease. If you can turn on the stress response just by thought alone, your thoughts could make you sick. And if your thoughts could make you sick, is it possible that your thoughts could make you well? So, they began to realize that, oh my god, the repetition of thinking and feeling and feeling and thinking caused me to feel guilt and I don't even know it's guilt, it just feels like me. It's just, I'm used to the same chemical continuity.

• 12:42Joe Dispenza?

  Now, the moment they decided to change, anytime you decide to change and change anything about yourself, get ready because it's going to feel uncomfortable. It's gonna hurt. You're gonna leave the known. Yeah. You're gonna leave the familiar and you're gonna step into the unknown. Even if the familiar is uncomfortable and painful. Right. It's still gonna be painful leaving the pain. Right, because some people are super happy being unhappy. Right. So then, they would rather cling to their suffering than take a chance in possibility. So these people said, "I really have nothing to lose," right? So then they said, "I'm willing to be uncomfortable and be in the unknown." And it turns out, that's the perfect place to create. Hmm. So when the body is conditioned to become the mind, then to change is to be greater than the body. Right? How do we become greater than the body?

• 13:27Joe Dispenza?

  Well, that's a whole nother conversation. But let me finish this, okay? So the third thing they said was... Okay, so now that I know that I gotta break the habit of being myself and I can't mismanage my thoughts and feelings, I gotta change how I act, I gotta watch how I speak, I gotta become conscious of how unconscious I am because ninety-five percent of who we are by the time we're thirty-five years old is a set of memorized behaviors, like a computer program, emotional reactions, unconscious beliefs and perceptions. So the first step to change is to become conscious of how you think, to notice how you act, to pay attention to how you feel. And the act of observing those states of mind and body separates you from that program. Now you're the consciousness observing that program.

• 14:12Joe Dispenza?

  It turns out the more conscious you become of how unconscious you are, you know, lighting a match in a dark place, that first step creates enormous amounts of chaos in the brain and body. And it's disturbing, so people just go back to the same addiction, the same emotion, the same problem. Just feels better. No, that feels familiar. So they said, okay, now I gotta change. I gotta reinvent myself. Now, this is really important because they started sitting down and thinking, okay, who in history do I admire? Where are great people, role models that I can follow? What are the qualities and characteristics that they have? How am I gonna change? You know, these are what we call frontal lobe questions. The creative center of the brain switches on and emotional center settles down. So then they started thinking,

• 14:57Joe Dispenza?

  how would I have to be in a new life if I was really going to heal? What would I have to change about myself? Now, there's this interesting phenomenon that if you close your eyes and you begin to think about doing something, you're an athlete, you understand this. If you're a background in football and you were running a pattern or you were doing something, you would rehearse it in your mind. Turns out that the act of mentally rehearsing something when you're truly present, your brain does not know the difference between what's going on out there and what's going on in here. In fact, your brain will begin to look like you've been doing it for the last five days and you've never run the course. So now your brain is no longer a record of the past. Because typically it is, now it's a map to the future, so now you're priming your brain.

• 15:42Joe Dispenza?

  So that became the very platform. You know, experiments with piano players, you know, you take a group of people that never played the piano before. You divide them into two different categories. Take one group of people, you teach them one-handed scales and chords. You do a brain scan on them, they come and practice for two hours a day for five days. At the end of five days, if you re-scan the brain, they grow new circuits on the opposite side of the brain. Nothing magical there, you learn something new, learning's making new connections. Get some instruction, you get instruction, you get your body involved. Get your body involved, you're gonna have an experience, experience enriches the brain. Pay attention to what you're doing, you gotta pay attention and repeat it, firing and wiring. You're gonna assemble new circuits. You can take the other group of people, have them come for two hours a day for five days, do a brain scan before, the brain scan after.

• 16:26Joe Dispenza?

  Have them close their eyes and mentally rehearse playing those scales and chords. At the end of five days, they'll grow the same amount of circuits in their brain as the people who actually physically demonstrated the action. What does that mean? It means not only they changed their brain by thinking differently, but their brain looks like they've been playing the piano for five days. Now, set them in front of a piano, never played the piano before, they'll play those scales and chords because their brain is wired to play it. So now, the act of rehearsing who they're gonna be, what are the qualities and beginning to get in this creative state, began to lay down the circuits of a new personality. And a new personality is connected to a new personal reality. So the next question is, does that change the body?

• 17:09Joe Dispenza?

  Take a group of men, have them do one-handed curls in their mind and bring in an emotional component like stronger, harder, more intense. One hour a day for two weeks. At the end of two weeks, 13.5 increase in muscle strength. Wow. Never lifted a weight. Now their body is changing by thought alone. Huh. So, these people began to reprogram their brain and body.

• 17:36Joe Dispenza?

  And all of a sudden, they began to act differently. Why? Because they installed the circuits. They began to think differently, of course. They began to feel differently. They were no longer feeling pain. They're actually liking themselves, right? So that if they're living by a different emotion and they're feeling an elevated emotion before they're healing, before they were healed. They're not waiting for their healing to feel joy and gratitude. They're feeling gratitude and joy. Now their body's believing that it's healed because the body's feeling the emotion ahead of the experience. And if the environment signals the gene and the end product of an experience in the environment is emotion, you're signaling the gene ahead of the environment. And what do genes do? Genes make proteins. And where are proteins responsible? The structure and function of the body. Now you're literally becoming somebody else.

• 18:21Joe Dispenza?

  And now you're turning down the genes for disease and you're turning up these other genes. So I started to realize that this reinvention process is exactly what we've always done. It's just that we get complacent in certain areas of our life and we stop. Now, the last thing they had in common, the fourth thing, is that when they were doing that rehearsal process, that they had long moments where they lost track of time and space. In other words, they were so involved in their inner world of imaging that when they turned the light on in the room or they lift their blindfold up or whatever they were doing, they thought it was 20 minutes later and it was an hour and 20 minutes later. And when you're truly focused and you're truly paying attention and you're in the present moment,

• 19:03Joe Dispenza?

  all of a sudden, you will leave this three-dimensional reality. And when you leave this three-dimensional reality, there's only one other place you go. And that is the realm of thought. And that's called the quantum field. And that quantum field is where all possibilities exist, right? So they were connecting to a field of information that had everything to do with the first principle, which is that invisible intelligence that's both within us and all around us, personal and universal. It is the unifying field that governs everything material in this world. And if you're gonna change something material, that means you gotta get beyond your body to heal your body. Right. Because if you're your body trying to heal your body, there's one thing that we can guarantee, it's gonna take time. It's gonna just take a long time because you're playing by the rules of Newtonian physics.

• 19:47Joe Dispenza?

  You play by the rules of quantum physics. Energy dictates matter. So when you're truly in the field and you're making changes there... Then the downward cascade neurologically, biologically, chemically, hormonally, genetically, is the side effect of what's doing, what's happening in the field.

• 20:02Speaker 01

  Accelerates.

• 20:03Joe Dispenza?

  It accelerates it, exactly. So you do it in less time because you're more connected to a realm that doesn't play by time.

• 20:09Speaker 01

  You know, growing up in this religion that I grew up, it was a constant reminder, daily practice, to think in a certain way. To think that you can never be physically harmed, that you're infinite love, that you're infinite light, infinite soul, spirit, life, truth and love, right? It was constantly taught to me that I'm, that I'm never able to get physically harmed.

• 20:32Joe Dispenza?

  Mm-hmm.

• 20:33Speaker 01

  And that if you are, that means your thought is off and you just have to re-correct your thought and you'll have a healing.

• 20:38Joe Dispenza?

  Mm-hmm.

• 20:39Speaker 01

  Right? It's a little extreme for some because, and if you're not, you know, well-practiced in it, if you don't know how to really manage the thoughts and train, then you can hurt yourself.

• 20:50Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 20:51Speaker 01

  You can really hurt your body and that's, you know, it happened.

• 20:53Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah.

• 20:54Speaker 01

  It happened a few times. But I used this, you know, philosophy, strategy, technique, idea in sports. And I would rehearse constantly, like you talked about, I was constantly rehearsing the games, what I wanted to create for the season, for my, my body, for my life.

• 21:11Joe Dispenza?

  Mm-hmm.

• 21:12Speaker 01

  And it's, it just seems like it would always happen. You know, I would rehearse constantly, over and over, and get lost in my thoughts. You call it the quantum field, is that what you're calling it? So I was in the quantum field to be on the physical field. I was playing in the quantum field, just like I'd be playing on the physical field.

• 21:29Joe Dispenza?

  Exactly.

• 21:30Speaker 01

  And I remember I would watch, um, game film, um, world record holders in track and field and football, and watch them every single night and mentally rehearse the same movements they would have before I would fall asleep. And then I would practice the next day. But I was constantly rehearsing in my mind how I wanted to show up. I was rehearsing this moment.

• 21:52Joe Dispenza?

  Mm-hmm.

• 21:53Speaker 01

  You know, in my life, 10 years ago, I was rehearsing what I've been doing this year of my life. Do you do this on a daily practice for yourself? And if so, how does that rehearsal look like?

• 22:03Joe Dispenza?

  I do, I do. So, so two things I wanted to say about that. I mean, first of all, this is really not for everybody. I mean, because it's a, you gotta be, it's like pregnancy. Either you are, or you're not. I mean, there's no in-between.

• 22:17Speaker 01

  A little pregnant?

• 22:18Joe Dispenza?

  You can't be kind of a little pregnant. Either you are, or you're not. And so, so you can't.

• 22:22Speaker 01

  Who is it for and who is it not for?

• 22:24Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah, so, so we, what I found is that when I started studying spontaneous remissions, it was for people who had reached the end of their emotional belief where there was no longer any answers. They had, the doctors gave up on them, they had nothing else to do, right? And so they changed everything about themselves. And yeah, some of them were physicians, you know? It's just going like, wow, what have I, what have I been doing? But now, fast forward to today, I mean, in an age of information, ignorance is a choice. I mean, you've got so much information. You need a doctor, you don't need a teacher, you don't need a priest or minister to gain information. You don't need an authority, right? You can, technology gives us the, very quick information. So now, people are informed. Twenty years ago, a doctor said, do you have this health condition?

• 23:09Speaker 01

  You believed it.

• 23:09Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah, and not only that, you sign on the dotted line, you got the treatment or the surgery. Fast forward to today, everybody just kind of goes, wait a second.

• 23:15Speaker 01

  Multiple opinions, we're gonna get this.

• 23:17Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah, or you go home and you research it and you say, I wanna try this. So now, all of a sudden, people are taking their power back. So, so people are more informed. So surgical procedures, pharmaceuticals are not always the first choice for people because there's other ways. And people only do the best with what's available. So now, information has scaled and changed the way people face off with health conditions. And now, people are coming into this, number one, if they have a health condition that they can self-correct. And number two, there are people that are saying, if I'm headed for a genetic destiny because my mother had this health condition, my father had this, and I know the gene doesn't create it, but how I act and how I feel is going to signal the same gene, well, I'm gonna just change my genetic future. So now, people are super proactive in the process, right?

• 24:03Joe Dispenza?

  So that's point number one, but point number two is that if you if you start realizing that this is actually possible, and I can tell you that without a doubt it is, because we were talking before we started, the things that I'm witnessing, I mean, if in the beginning it was just like a person got a little better, he felt a little this, that, you know, their food allergies went away, but then all of a sudden, we're talking about, we in our last event, two people with stage four cancer, completely reversed. Wow. A woman with a very serious neurological disorder, they didn't even, they couldn't even name it, crutches, the whole bit, left the event, no crutches. Well, how does she do that? Hmm. Well, let me ask you a question. If she doesn't look like a movie star, and she's

• 24:44Joe Dispenza?

  not buffed and young and attractive and successful, she's just like a normal person, and you listen to this person's story, and there's a thousand people listening to that story, you're gonna scratch your head and say, wow, if she can do it, so can I. And just like, you know, infection spreads amongst a community that creates disease, health and wellness can be as infectious as disease. Right. So do I use it? Yes, but not in the way that people think, like, I don't, I'm not interested in success. I've had it. I know that that's an important element. I think success is a side effect of who you are. Hmm. But what am I after? I'm after making a difference in the world. I want people to become empowered. So my rehearsals, my meditations in connecting are all about the

• 25:28Joe Dispenza?

  next thing that we can push the envelope for. In other words, if that person healed themselves of that health condition, and this person healed themselves, is it possible for that person to heal another person? And if they can heal that other person, which is now happening, is it possible to heal somebody on the other side of the planet? You just have to build the model and then come up with the science to be able to piece it together. And science, turns out, is the language to help to demystify that process. So I now know without a doubt, if you give people sound scientific information.

• 26:02Joe Dispenza?

  And every time they learn something new, they're adding new connections in their brain. That's what learning is. Wow. And if they can begin to pay attention for just one hour, now they're causing jungles of neurons to begin to organize as a platform of understanding. If I say to you, now turn to the person next to you and explain what I said, and we do this in our events. If you can turn to the person next to you and explain what you said, you've wired it in your brain. What's the relevance of that? Now, you're installing the neurological hardware in your brain in preparation for an experience. And if the more you understand what you're doing and why, the how gets easier. Right. And if nothing's left the conjecture, superstition, or dogma, or spiritual new age stuff, but it's grounded in science,

• 26:45Joe Dispenza?

  you're gonna have more intention behind what you're doing and you're gonna assign more meaning to it. Unbelievable. Exactly. Not just blind faith. It's like, no. Something's backing it. Right. And then, if we can set up the conditions and the environment and give people the proper instruction, and those people that get their behaviors to match their intentions and their actions equal to their thoughts, think of the mind and body working together, they're gonna have a new experience. And that experience then is gonna enrich even more circuits in their brain. The end product of an experience is an emotion. All of a sudden, they're gonna feel unlimited. They're gonna feel empowered. They're gonna feel successful. They're gonna feel worthy. Now they're teaching their body chemically to understand what their mind is intellectually under. There's the knowledge is for the mind, but experience is for the body, and they're embodying that information.

• 27:27Joe Dispenza?

  Well, if you've done it once, you should be able to do it again. And while you keep repeating the experience, you know, this as an athlete, it's gonna become automatic. Right. It's gonna become innate. It's gonna become second nature. It's gonna become who you are. You don't have to think about it any longer. So, take a person who was abused as a child, but an alcoholic parent who has a very rare genetic disorder. They've manifested weakness in their bones because that's the emotion they live by. Genetic disorder, the medical sciences, we have no way to help you. How do you explain, after a year of every day going after it, overcoming herself, overcoming herself, overcoming herself to become someone else, that no more any fractured bones, no evidence of broken bones,

• 28:10Joe Dispenza?

  no more crutches, no more wheelchair, running again, how do you explain that, except she literally became someone else? She became somebody else. The disease existed in the old personality. She's not that person any longer. No, so biologically, that's absolutely possible. So for me, I chase the mystical. I want those profound moments where I cannot go back to being the same guy again. Because, once you taste that wine, or you drink from that well, all of a sudden, the way you perceive reality changes. Because you start to see things that always existed, but you didn't have the circuitry in place to perceive them. Why? Because the inner event is an experience, and experience enriches the brain.

• 28:55Joe Dispenza?

  We don't see things how they are. We see things how we are. So as you begin to change your circuitry, you're going to perceive more of reality. And why? Because we probably perceive 1% of reality. So how do we, how do we begin to fully engage, right? So, for me, none of that matters. None of that veneer stuff matters. What matters is the essence. What matters is, by making a difference in the world, how can I begin to affect, to change, and help people to heal or create a better life for themselves? And not do it matter to matter, you know, with bravado and, you know, adrenaline and all that, that's the old way. This is about connecting, and instead of going and getting it, creating a field where you draw to you, and the synchronicities, and the coincidences,

• 29:40Joe Dispenza?

  and the opportunities that are coming to you as a result of you doing the inner work, you're going to rush less in your life, and you're going to be more aware of your energy, and nobody changes. Until they changed their energy. And when you change your energy, you change your life. But that doesn't mean you change your energy, do a meditation and you get up and then get on a freeway and flip people off.

• 30:00Speaker 01

  Right.

• 30:01Joe Dispenza?

  You're just disconnected from the energy of your future. You gotta be greater than the conditions in your environment. You gotta maintain that state of being. You gotta be greater than the habits and emotions of your body. And you gotta sustain it for an extended period of time.

• 30:13Speaker 01

  How do we change our energy and how do we sustain it for extended period of time? How long does that time need to be until we really start to see?

• 30:21Joe Dispenza?

  Sometimes immediate. Okay, so, so our research, and we've done in the last six years, because we were seeing so many incredible, incredible things going on in our workshops. I mean, people stepping out of wheelchairs and all kinds of crazy things.

• 30:36Speaker 01

  You're like a church.

• 30:37Joe Dispenza?

  We're kind of like, well.

• 30:38Speaker 01

  A church, like a mega church.

• 30:40Joe Dispenza?

  But hopefully not that.

• 30:41Speaker 01

  Based in science.

• 30:42Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah, but, but, but.

• 30:43Speaker 01

  But isn't it amazing that some of these churches, when people get to believe, whether they have science backing it or not, they just, it's the belief in the mind.

• 30:50Joe Dispenza?

  Step out into the unknown.

• 30:51Speaker 01

  Step out of your body.

• 30:53Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah.

• 30:53Speaker 01

  And heal yourself, right?

• 30:55Joe Dispenza?

  Instantaneously. Instantaneously.

• 30:57Speaker 01

  And we do see that a lot. And some people are like, ah, that's, how can that be possible?

• 31:01Joe Dispenza?

  Well, how can it be possible? Well, we've, we've.

• 31:03Speaker 01

  We've done the research now.

• 31:04Joe Dispenza?

  I've assembled a team of scientists. We've done 8,500 brain scans. I can tell you, I can tell you when a person's about ready to change. I can tell you why people don't change. I can tell you what it takes to change.

• 31:15Speaker 01

  So what's it take to change?

• 31:17Joe Dispenza?

  Well, you change. Most people keep their attention, always their awareness on their body. They keep their attention on everything in their environment. People and things. Their, their brain is always scanning everything around us to determine what's known and unknown, what's safe and unsafe, right? And, you know, we do that all the time. So our research shows that the moment you take your attention off your body and you go from somebody to nobody, you take your attention off the people in your life and go from who you identify with, from someone to no one. And so many people spend their whole life building an identity of being someone. Take your attention off your cellphone, your computer, your car, and go from something to nothing.

• 32:01Joe Dispenza?

  Take your attention off where you're sitting, where you need to be, someplace you have to go, go from somewhere to nowhere. And take your attention off time, linear, thinking about the predictable future, the familiar past, and fall into the generous present moment and go from sometime to no time. Then, all you're left with is consciousness. And that's the moment you're no longer playing by the same rules of matter to matter. And there's a very elegant moment that takes place in the brain. In fact, I was just showing my research to a group of researchers in Santa Cruz this past week. And they were blown away. And I said, now watch, this person, this person's going to have a transformational moment. They said, how do you know? I go, I've seen enough of these.

• 32:45Joe Dispenza?

  And the next moment, the whole brain just lights up. That person is switched on. They'll never be the same person again. They're having a transcendental moment. And we could actually predict it and teach it now. It's a formula, just like you doing sports. It just becomes a formula. And then you change the formula and you add to it, right? So, when you no longer are identifying with your body, your environment, and time, that's the moment your pure consciousness now. You're just an idea. You're an awareness. Awareness. Awareness that has nothing to do with local space and time. And now, if you're no longer... You can go beyond anything. You can go beyond. And that's when the brain... Because the brain doesn't change the brain. It takes a long time.

• 33:29Joe Dispenza?

  It takes a long time for the personality to change the personality, for the ego to change the ego. The programs to change the programs takes forever. Matter takes a long time to change matter. But when you're in this moment, you're no longer playing by those rules. Consciousness is the phenomenon above matter. In fact, consciousness is beginning to activate or manipulate circuits in the brain. People just think the brain is creating consciousness. No, consciousness is executing the brain, right? So then, if the brain can change... Then the mind doesn't change the brain. Mind is the brain in action. It's consciousness that changes it. So when people begin to disengage and get beyond themselves, you are at your absolute best when you get beyond yourself. And getting the person to that point. How does someone get to that point?

• 34:14Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah, so we teach them that formula. We teach them to that point where all of a sudden, they reach that generous present moment where they just feel connected. And when they're in that place, all the things they thought they wanted, they actually no longer want because they feel like they already have them. So then imagine living your life from that place. You would be less judgmental. You would be less frustrated. You would be less impatient. And so the formula then is that it requires a clear intention, which is a coherent brain. And when you're living stressed out and something goes wrong and you're threatened or you can't predict an outcome or you have the perception that something's getting worse or you can't control it,

• 34:58Joe Dispenza?

  you switch on that fight or flight nervous system that I talked about. Now, here's what happens. When that occurs, you start shifting your attention from one person to one problem, the one thing to another person, to another place because your brain is trying to predict the next moment. Well, every one of those people and things and places has this neurological network in your brain. So as you shift your attention from one to the next, it's like a lightning storm in the clouds. Your brain starts firing very incoherently. When your brain is incoherent, you're incoherent. And when you're living by the hormones of stress, not a time to create. No. Not a time to open your heart. Not a time to learn. Not a time to trust. And it's a time to run, fight, or hide. So people spend 70% of their time of their life living in this state. Wow. So think about it. It's miserable.

• 35:43Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah, so then when you're under stress, if there's a cougar around the corner. You're not gonna sit down and meditate. Sit still, right, but so imagine. Here, you've got the survival gene switched on and nobody is gonna believe in possibility when you're living in survival, right? Wow, yeah. So then, when you're living in stress, what happens is you narrow your focus on the cause. You narrow your focus on matter, the object, the thing. And so people get switched on and all of their attention is on their outer world. When the hormones of stress kick on, the body gets an arousal, now your attention is on the body. And of course, when you're under stress, you're trying to predict the future based on the past. And now, you're literally enslaved into three dimensional realities. So then, how do you get what you want?

• 36:27Joe Dispenza?

  You gotta try harder, you gotta force it more, you gotta work harder, you gotta fight for it. That's matter trying to change matter. It's exhausting. And people will just burn out, right? So then, we now know that when you go from a narrow focus on something and you begin to open your focus, you create sense and awareness, that the act of opening your focus causes you to stop thinking. And if you stop thinking, you no longer activate those circuits and you start to slow your brainwaves down. And as you slow your brainwaves down, you start connecting to that autonomic nervous system, the thing that's giving you life. And all of a sudden, when you get beyond yourself, it says, uh, he's gone. Let's step in and just clean up this mess before he gets back. Really? And its job is to create order and balance. Your body will start to do that for you.

• 37:10Joe Dispenza?

  The innate intelligence will step right in, once you connect, you gotta connect. So you gotta know how to change your brainwaves. If you can't change your brainwaves, you stay in that active state. You're basically moving furniture around, you're analyzing your life within some disturbing emotion. And I can tell you, after looking at all those brainstands, if you're analyzing your life within some disturbing emotion, you're going to make your brain worse. In fact, you are thinking in the past, right? So you teach people the formula, how to open their focus, change their brainwaves, connect to that invisible field, and all of a sudden, different compartments of the brain start synchronizing. The front of the brain starts talking to the back of the brain, the right side starts talking to the left side. And all of a sudden, what sinks in the brain links in the brain. And all of a sudden, you see this person starting to feel more like themselves.

• 37:54Joe Dispenza?

  And when you see those two hemispheres of the brain start lighting up, watch out, because that person's gonna feel really whole. They're gonna start loving life, they're gonna feel like, they're gonna be in love with life, because the union of polarity and duality is wholeness, at the exact same time. Coherent brain? When you're resentful, when you're judgmental, when you're impatient, your heart beats out of rhythm. Why? You're stepping on the gas and you're stepping on the brake at the same time. Your body and its intelligence, living in survival, is saying, "T-Rex is back there," but you're not running because you're sitting across the table looking at somebody smiling and your body's revved up, right? So the heart is beating arrhythmically. And when that happens, you're squandering, you're using all the body's life force and turning it into chemistry, right?

• 38:39Speaker 01

  You're using all that energy to survive as opposed to think beyond.

• 38:43Joe Dispenza?

  Right, right. So you're drawing from your vital life force, that invisible field around your body, and you're turning it into chemistry. You actually are going to shrink your own field. The hormones of stress cause us to be materialists, right? We're under stress, we're using our senses to determine reality. So now you feel more like matter and less like energy, more separate from possibility. So then, to teach a person then how to regulate that heart center. And we do this, we've done 6,000 heart scans. Why? Because if I can teach you how to get in that heart state, and I can teach you how to activate that center, and I can teach you how to regulate an elevated emotion, the heart starts to create a very coherent signature. And when the heart starts beating like a drum, like dropping a pebble in water,

• 39:28Joe Dispenza?

  it begins to produce a measurable magnetic field up to three meters wide. Now, if you're more energy than matter, more wave than particle. Now, that field that's being created is measurable. And that's an energy, and energy is frequency, and all frequency carries information. So what is the information when it makes it here?

• 39:48Speaker 01

  That you're sharing into the world.

• 39:49Joe Dispenza?

  It could carry the thought of your healing. Why? Because it's consistent with the energy. Guilt isn't going to carry the thought of your healing, it's a different frequency. And all of a sudden now, the person is elevating their emotional state and they're allowing their thought to be carried on that frequency. They're broadcasting a whole new energetic signature. But thoughts are the language of the brain and feelings are the language of the body and how you think and how you feel creates your state of being. So then the question is, if you keep practicing creating that state of being, it should become familiar to you, yes or no? The word meditation literally means to become familiar with. So then if you're practicing moving into these elevated states and your heart is coherent and we're measuring and I can say, "Louis..."

• 40:34Joe Dispenza?

  You got it. Now do it for thirty minutes. Now do it for sixty minutes. And you practice creating that coherence. You'll know when you're there and when you're not. Yes or no? Sure. And then you would be able to say, like a skill, like anything else, give me a minute. I'm gonna step out and you're gonna go back in the heart coherence and bring up that state. How do we get there in the heart? Oh, then we practice a formula. Again, rest your attention, start calling up elevated emotions. And when you start seeing that that starts happening, then you sustain it. Then you keep practicing. And all of a sudden, it gets longer and longer and longer. Now, what's the relevance behind that? Well, we've measured neurotransmitters. So when a person actually activates their heart, the heart releases a chemical called oxytocin. Oxytocin is actually the love chemical.

• 41:18Joe Dispenza?

  Oxytocin signals nitric oxide. Nitric oxide signals another chemical called endothelial-derived relaxing factor. What does that do? Causes the vessels in your heart to swell. You will literally have energy in your heart. You will literally feel like your heart is full. Now, once you have that feeling, you're not gonna wanna trade that feeling for anyone or anything. You're gonna say, why would I judge that person? If I judge that person, I'm gonna lose this feeling. Now, all of a sudden, you're self-regulating. Now, once the heart is activated, I just was at the research lab this week. Once the heart is activated, it acts as an amplifier and it amplifies energy in the brain. Where does all anxiety stem from? Anxiety is doing this.

• 42:03Joe Dispenza?

  Living in survival, when you're living in survival, I'll tell you this. When the survival gene is activated, out of the infinite potentials in the quantum field, you'll always choose the worst-case scenario. Why? Because if you're in survival and you're preparing for the worst, there's always better chances of surviving if anything less happens. So people are always selecting the worst thing in their mind and they begin to emotionally embrace that future before it happens. Thought and emotion, you start conditioning. So you're conditioning the body to become the mind of fear. You keep doing that enough times, once the body becomes the mind, it's a subconscious program. Person has a panic attack. Try as you may to control it with your conscious mind, you can't. You programmed it subconsciously.

• 42:47Joe Dispenza?

  Now you worry about the next panic attack. And as you start worrying about the next panic attack, it's the vigilance that creates the next one. Now, here's what's happening in our work. People who are self-regulating and creating these elevated states, we have heart scans of them sustaining heart coherence for a whole hour during a meditation. Then, at the end of the day, they're still wearing the monitor. It's 8 o'clock at night, they're not even in a meditation, and for a whole entire hour, they're in heart coherence. We say to the woman, "What's going on here?" She said, "I have no idea. I was just getting ready for bed, and all of a sudden, my heart just swelled up. It was so intense, I had to lay on my back and surrender to love instead of surrendering to fear." She had a spontaneous love attack instead of a spontaneous panic attack.

• 43:30Joe Dispenza?

  Now, I would call that the natural state of being. So then, if you're living by those elevated states and you know how to feel that emotion of your future before it happens, you're less likely to wait for it to happen because you'll feel like it already happened. You're less likely to try to control it. You'll know that the moment you lose the feeling, you just disconnected, and you're gonna make your way back. And when you get good at it, no person, no thing, no experience can take it away from you. Now, you're empowered. And if you understand the laws of how creation happens, then you're less likely to compete and rush to get what you want. You're gonna know that it's gonna come to you. And now, that's the new model of how we create. Knowing it's gonna come to us at the right time, what if we want it faster?

• 44:15Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah, you just do it again. But remember, if you're trying to make it happen faster, you're back to the old self. Right. The new self would never do that. The new self would constantly stay there. And so then, how does it appear? It appears in a way that you can't expect. Because if you can predict it, it's the known. It's gonna come in a way that you haven't thought of, an unknown. And it's gotta rock your world. It's gotta catch you off-guard. It's gonna leave you no doubt that what you've been doing inside of you that produces some effect outside of you. And when you correlate what you've been doing inside of you with the effect that you produced outside of you, you're gonna pay attention to what you did and do it again. And the energy? Uh, the joy that you feel when it happens, you're gonna use that energy to create again.

• 45:00Joe Dispenza?

  Now, people say to me, "Well, I'm this way because of that person and that thing." I would say to them, "So you mean then that person or that experience out there is controlling your thoughts and feelings?" Oh, that means you're a victim to your environment. But when you start changing your thoughts and feelings and it starts to produce an effect in your environment, you're gonna change the belief that you're a victim, consciously or subconsciously of your life, to becoming more of a creator of your life. And now, all of a sudden, you become more a creator of your life. You can't blame anybody. You can't say, "Well, that person or that thing." You'd have to say, "I gotta be greater than that environmental condition." Who in history can I study that had the same challenges? What was, what did they do? Let me just work that into my rehearsal

• 45:44Joe Dispenza?

  so that I can improve, right? Just like you've done with sports, it's the same process. Yeah. When do you experience the most love? Oh. Personally? Yeah, that's a great question. So, um, it turns out that the signature of the quantum field is greater and greater degrees of oneness and wholeness, right? So, think about it. Um, when we live in stress, we live in separation, right? Because our senses fool us into believing you're there and I'm here and everybody is separate from us and everything is separate from us. That's 3D reality, right? But as you start opening this center, all of a sudden, when you become nobody, no one, no thing, nowhere, and no time, right?

• 46:25Joe Dispenza?

  That's the moment that your consciousness lines up with the consciousness of the field. That's when you are totally present. Now, here's the deal. If I can get people to believe that just because they can't see something doesn't mean it doesn't exist, that they can just connect and pay attention to that field and stay present with it and become more aware of it, moment after moment after moment, every interaction with that invisible field, every experience lays down new circuits in their brain for them to perceive more of it, right? So then, as they keep their attention on it, they start moving closer and closer to it. So they experience less separation and more oneness and wholeness. So then, when that happens, there's a cascade.

• 47:08Joe Dispenza?

  Of all kinds of physical and chemical and energetic things that begin to happen. So for me, the best way that I can describe that field is it's intelligent love. It's greater levels of order and unity and oneness. And when you strike it and you hit it, it is the most incredibly electric feeling you will ever have. It is the most familiar, unfamiliar feeling you will ever have. You will swear that you are ancient in that moment and you will connect. And it won't be just like love for your puppy. You will feel it in every single cell of your body. And I mean like a vibration, a coherence where your body becomes electric.

• 47:52Joe Dispenza?

  And the only way we can describe that is love. You taste that one time. You want it all the time. Here's what I say. I always say, the first time it happens, the first time it happened to me and every time since, when I come back to my senses, I always say the same thing. Joe Dispenza, you got this all wrong. Because some veneer, some conditioning is lifted and you start realizing that the way you think life is, isn't that way. So now, when I've had those moments, Louis, I have said, there cannot be any more love than this until the next experience. Next time. I mean, how much is there, right? I mean, you get super humbled. When was the last time?

• 48:36Joe Dispenza?

  Ooh, about, well, about five days ago, yeah. For a moment. Oh, I just had a very profound mystical experience. I was, I'll tell you the short story. And how often does it happen also? I don't know. I mean, I live for them. Yeah, so you try to do it every month if you can? No, I just do the meditations and then when they happen, if I'm just in the right place and I don't have a playing the catch or an email to answer and I have a little laxity and I can kind of surrender into the moment. I just. I had this incredible, uh, I don't know how to describe this, but they, there was a geometric

• 49:18Joe Dispenza?

  pattern, like a mandala, I don't know what it was, and it moved right through my entire body, and it was like, uh, working with me, with my physical body, and if I could surrender to it, it was just incredible bliss, I mean incredible, incredible bliss, I mean, I don't know how to describe it, and, and, and when that occurs, uh, when it happened to me, I had this, my heart was just lit up, like, it was, it was a, was an experience, it wasn't a physical experience, you know, it was, it was from within, and here's the weird thing, every time it happens, my heart feels alive, like it lasts for days, like the emotion

• 50:02Joe Dispenza?

  from the experience lasts for days, and people are like, uh, what's up with you, like, whoa, and you're just kinda got this, you got this big smile on your face, I just am so happy to be alive, right, and so I think that, independent of, listen, I now know, I mean, we've measured genetic changes, hormonal changes, neurotransmitter changes, we've measured immune system responses by trading fear for gratitude, we've measured gene expressions, we now know that people can, uh, signal the gene to, to, for, to reduce cancer and tumors, signal the gene to grow new neurons, we've measured this, signal the gene for, uh, for stem cells to go to damaged tissues and repair them, oxidative stress gene signal, we've,

• 50:45Joe Dispenza?

  we've seen that in our, in our students, now here's the deal, after all of those studies in the last six years, you can't tell me you're too old to do this work, can't tell me that, we've got people in their eighties doing miraculous things, can't tell me you're too sick to do this work, we have people that were the end of their life, stage four, and we, and turn that battleship around, you can't tell me that you had too turbulent of a past to do this, we're people that were really rough past that are now free, you can't tell me, uh, you're not, you've never meditated, we have people that have never meditated before, the most profound mystical experience, you, you can't tell me you're too overweight, too underweight, too out of shape, too in shape, can't tell me that

• 51:25Joe Dispenza?

  anywhere, because all colors, all races, everybody can do it, that's the cool part about it, and when you get a community of people together. And you move them from one state of mind to another. There's this moment, and I can almost predict when it happens, the second, third day, where people just start hooking up. And then when they start hooking up, you know, we start, we're seeing now on our events. I mean, a lady that was blind from birth, 5% vision, by the end of the event was seen. I mean, how do you explain that? We had three people in the last two events that were deaf that are shearing now. People with crutches that were limited or walking without crutches and canes,

• 52:08Joe Dispenza?

  spinal cord injuries, I mean Parkinson's disease, in a week. Like, that's gotta be, like, it doesn't, doesn't wake you up to what's possible. And you're witnessing a tumor for the woman's thyroid that was there at the beginning of the event is gone at the end of the event. I mean, like, you, you gotta scratch your head and just go, wow, the reality isn't at all the way I think it is, right? And so, there's this humility that comes, like, well, I don't know anything, but I'm willing to go down, push the envelope a little bit more. So, we're only as good as our ability to execute this, right? But as we get better. Consistency of it too, yeah.

• 52:51Joe Dispenza?

  I'm all about consistency, and I'm, I'm be the first guy to say, do the blood test, do the scan, let's do the test to make sure that it's just not in your mind, it's in your brain, let's know. So, so now, so that the evidence then supports it, that, that the testimonials support it. And all of a sudden, people now are beginning to wake up to what's possible. And just like the four-minute mile. The four-minute mile was broken, once it was broken, we pierced the valve. So, we're just seeing now the same thing, we've pierced the valve. And people are just, just all in. They're not 50% in, they're all in. And by goodness, we're creating this kind of wake and momentum, but not just for healing,

• 53:34Joe Dispenza?

  but for creating new jobs and new relationships, new opportunities. Abundance, everything, yeah. Whatever it is that they want. People come, people come to the work for all kinds of reasons. And I don't really care, but by the time they start doing the work, all they really wanna do is give. Because when you feel so amazing and feel so great about yourself that you no longer want anything. The first thing you want to do is give. I mean, we see that brain scan moving into coherence and those two hemispheres come together and all of a sudden you see that heart just start going boom, boom, very orderly. And so the more energy going in the brain, the brain goes into super coherence. You can walk around and look at that person who's getting the brain scan and there are tears of joy rolling down her face.

• 54:16Speaker 01

  Do you feel like you've answered those questions to, for yourself? Who am I? Why am I here? What am I doing?

• 54:23Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah, I think so. I think though that-

• 54:26Speaker 01

  Was there questions you still haven't answered?

• 54:27Joe Dispenza?

  No, I mean, it's not that there's questions that I still haven't answered. It's just that I'm, I'm always changing my answers. Because I'm not, I mean, even my definition of surrender, just from six months ago, is not even close to the same definition that I have today.

• 54:41Speaker 01

  What's the definition now?

• 54:43Joe Dispenza?

  Well, surrender, I mean, it's just greater degrees of letting go and trusting.

• 54:47Speaker 01

  Everything.

• 54:47Joe Dispenza?

  I just like, like, like when my world is going sideways and my staff is just freaking out, I'm always like, oh, I'm just gonna let go. I'm just, I'm not gonna control anything. They're like, what the shit is going on? Like, yeah, but I gotta go against the chemicals and I gotta trust.

• 55:04Speaker 01

  Because if you're gonna stress in that moment and have anxiety, you're gonna create more of that.

• 55:08Joe Dispenza?

  Oh, you're, you're going to make things worse. So I just let go all the way, all the way. And, and, and you gotta lay down the very thing you used your whole life to get what you want for something greater to occur. And that's not, that's not one bite. That's not one leap. Yeah, it's a practice. And so, uh, uh, is letting go a little bit more and trusting. If you, if you over-surrender, that's, that's lazy and lethargic. If you over-intend, that's trying and forcing. So there's this razor's edge between intention and surrender, right? You gotta be able to, be able to-

• 55:43Speaker 01

  Gotta take action.

• 55:44Joe Dispenza?

  Right, yeah, right. But, right, right. But you don't wanna get in the way, right? So, and that's just, it's a lot of trial and error, you know? But you figure it out, right?

• 55:51Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 55:54Speaker 01

  Where do you feel like your mission is right now then?

• 55:57Joe Dispenza?

  Wow, so for me right now, I mean, my passion is these week-long events.

• 56:03Speaker 01

  How many do you do a year?

• 56:04Joe Dispenza?

  We do about 10, or just a little less than once a month, you know, around the world. It's usually about 1,000 people. And now what we're doing is we're doing this whole nother level. We're doing two really cool things. One is a challenge activity. And what I want to do is we now know that our students can create a lot of brain and heart coherence, but they can do it with their eyes closed in a room with 1,000 people and soft music playing and they feel safe. But now let's get them in a situation where that would normally elicit fear or some emotion.

• 56:39Speaker 01

  Get them in the real world.

• 56:39Joe Dispenza?

  Get them in the real world and get them up somewhere where they're feeling a little uncomfortable. Or they're being challenged through endurance. And let's see them create brain and heart coherence right on that spot. Like this is, this is the moment. This is, this is your life. Like you gotta be able to do this right now. You can't say, "I can't, it's too hard, I can't do this, it'll start tomorrow, I don't want to." That's not the moment. That's what you do in your life. Let's put you there and instead of just white knuckling and pushing through, let's get really conscious.

• 57:09Speaker 01

  Surrender.

• 57:10Joe Dispenza?

  Let's get really present. Let's create that heart and brain coherence and let's work it. And then make the move when you're in that state. You know, rhythm through that resistance. Create that kind of coherence. And, and, and, and I was just at the HeartMath Institute, who we partner with, and we're, Doc Childress, the guy that created HeartMath, he said, "It's all about rhythm through resistance. It's about that ability to create that kind of internal order when there's chaos going on around you. So what's the relevance of that?" The person who's going through a challenge activity that's a huge obstacle course, and they have the belief that they have a spinal cord injury, or they have MS or Parkinson's disease, and they never try anything in their life, and we got them up there.

• 57:53Joe Dispenza?

  And there's people rooting for them, and they're in that state, and they're in that heart coherence, and they go through that whole course, and they've overcome. They're gonna walk back in their life in whatever challenges that they have, they're gonna be like, "This is nothing. I've just reset the scale." So, and the other thing is that people move past where they normally can go, there's a liberation of energy. And that's a valuable energy that just needs to be organized. So they start organizing that energy, then they're doing magic. The other thing we're working on is... Is non-local healing, we call the cage. A person will lay down with a health condition. We get eight people around them. We teach them about energetic coherence. We talk to them about the science that it's not matter that emits a field. It's the field that creates matter.

• 58:39Joe Dispenza?

  Change the field, you change matter. We give them the science and the understanding and then we let them go. And we have seen people, all kinds of healings take place in 10 minutes. Like, how do you explain that? How do you explain a person laying there who isn't even being touched? And their entire body is moving in all these different directions by, with energy? It's incredible. So, I want to develop that. Why? I want to get so good at that, Lewis, that 50% of those people that are laying down get up healed. We're going to walk into a city when we do a week-long event. We're going to call the children's hospital. We're going to say, "Send those kids with cancer." Wow. We're going to, we're going to, we're going to change futures, right?

• 59:20Joe Dispenza?

  And, and, and man, you know, you talk about opening your heart, but if you, you think you open your heart, but when you get an opportunity to give, and, and you, and these people have been working all week long. When it comes time to heal, they're not saying, "Oh, my back hurts." They're saying, "How long is this going to go? Am I doing it right?" Transform someone's life, yeah. They left that, they left those attitudes on Monday. This is Friday, this is Saturday. They're not, they're hooked, they've been connecting to the field all week long. They're not, they're not in their analytical mind. They're beyond their body. They know how to get beyond their environment. They don't want to get beyond time. So, when it comes time to execute, they've been practicing all week. They've been at camp, they've been practicing. So, so you get a group of people doing that together and all of a sudden, we've measured the energy of the room.

• 1:00:04Joe Dispenza?

  And the energy of the room always goes up. It just goes up and that's available energy to heal. That's available energy to do the mystical. So, I just want to get consistent. And I want to get really good at it. And it, and it's not about me. Not good at it yet? Well, we, we were making great changes in, like, unbelievable changes in people's health. But before I step out into the world and say, "Let's go to the children's hospital in Toronto." And let's call up the oncologists there and say, "Hey, we'll never touch the kids." We'll just lay them down. Just want to hang out. It'll just be a half an hour, they'll just be laying on the ground and then we'll be done. And develop a relationship. I want to be good enough. That when we do do it, that we're gonna execute an outcome.

• 1:00:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:48Joe Dispenza?

  And that way, we're beyond reproach. It's no longer a bunch of spiritualists doing this. There's a science behind that, and we now know it.

• 1:00:54Speaker 01

  Thousands of cases or something.

• 1:00:56Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah, we've got, we've got tons of cases now. But I don't know the statistics. We're gonna start doing the statistics now, and we're gonna start tracking the changes. So then I can say, without a shadow of a doubt, yeah, we're at thirty percent. Our last three events, we had thirty percent remission. Not, not just like it goes away for a little bit, but it goes away and stays away.

• 1:01:13Speaker 01

  That's cool.

• 1:01:14Joe Dispenza?

  And some people go to the healing, they get in the cage for their knee problems, and they come out hearing better. That just happened to a guy the other day. He, he, he had a bad knees and he was, he went in to get his knees healed, but he forgot that he's, you know, he didn't think about his hearing problem. He got bit by a poisonous snake when he was like a three-year-old kid and always had hearing problems, wears hearing aids, the whole bit. Comes out of the, he said he'd never felt that amount of love in his entire life. And that's the common thing that people say. The woman that got her vision back, that's not what she talked about. She didn't talk about the fact that she could see. All she kept saying was, "I feel like a child again. I feel like a baby again, I feel fresh. I feel like a newborn. I feel clean." She kept talking about how she felt. Then she said, "Oh yeah, and I can see faces now."

• 1:01:59Joe Dispenza?

  And there were these two big flower arrangements on the stage. And she said, "I thought those were guards guarding Dr. Joe the whole week." She couldn't even see the flowers. She just saw the, you know, the form. And she goes, "I can see the flowers now." But, but the first thing was how they felt. And he, the same way, he said, "I had never, I was sobbing. I never felt so much love in my life. It wasn't like I was trying to feel it, it just happened." And he said, "And I got up, and all of a sudden, I could hear Dr. Joe talking without my hearing aids." And I just kinda like, "I think my knees were a little better, but my hearing's a lot better," you know? So you never know, right? You never know.

• 1:02:34Speaker 01

  Shoot, everyone's gotta get in the cage.

• 1:02:36Joe Dispenza?

  In the cage, yeah.

• 1:02:38Speaker 01

  I like to give people a challenge. I'm curious, I want everyone listening for the next seven days to try something.

• 1:02:44Joe Dispenza?

  Uh huh.

• 1:02:45Speaker 01

  And if you could... Give one to three different things that we could think differently or eliminates. When a thought comes to us or we react in a certain way, if there's something you think that we eliminated. One, two or three things and we did this every day for seven days, we would start to see incredible. Feelings differently, we'd feel healthier, more lively, more love. What would be those few things?

• 1:03:10Joe Dispenza?

  Okay, well, most people, number one, they get up in the morning and the first thing they do is they think about the problems in their life. And those problems are memories from the past. So the moment they think about their problems, they're thinking in the past, right? Every one of those problems has an emotion attached to them, so that I start feeling unhappy or unworthy or whatever. And how you think and how you feel is your state of being. So most people's entire state of being is in the past when they start today. So if they're in the familiar past, they're gonna live in a predictable future, right? So they get up and they check their cellphone, they check their texts, their WhatsApp, their Facebook, they post something on Facebook, they tweet, they Twitter, they check the news. Then they go to the bathroom, get a cup of coffee, take a shower, get dressed, check my emails, drive to work the same way, do the same thing. So they're a program.

• 1:03:54Joe Dispenza?

  They've actually lost their free will to the program.

• 1:03:56Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:03:57Joe Dispenza?

  So if you start your day and you start your day with this simple question. What is the greatest ideal of myself that I can be today? You ask yourself that question. Now, listen, your body's gonna go like, well, we gotta get a cup of coffee and you gotta.

• 1:04:11Speaker 01

  I'm tired.

• 1:04:12Joe Dispenza?

  I'm tired. And you gotta go, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, body. Uh, you're not the mind, I'm the mind right now. You're gonna sit here, I'm gonna feed you. Uh, you're gonna get your coffee, you're gonna do all those things, but right now, this is my time. You're gonna obey me, right? So now, the body's no longer the mind, you're the mind. And so when it wants to get up and you become aware of it. And we turn back to the present moment, every time you do, that's a victory. And you're changing some aspect of yourself. So then. Ask yourself, I do this all the time. Write down four thoughts that you're gonna stay conscious of the whole day. I can't, it's too hard. You'd be surprised, the moment you become conscious of what those thoughts are, how unconscious you've been to them all day, you know, up for weeks on end. Write down what you speak, how you speak, four things you wanna change.

• 1:04:57Joe Dispenza?

  How you act, how do you, how do you act? Do you complain, do you blame, you make excuses, you feel sorry for yourself? That's a victim consciousness. What emotions do you live by? Is it possible that you're so used to living by guilt, you don't even know it's guilt? It just feels like you? Do you, do you allow your energy to drop? Become conscious of those states of mind and body and review them. And say, this is the old self. Then say, what thoughts do I wanna fire and wire in my brain? And start firing and wiring and start feeling it. What behaviors will I demonstrate today? What choices will I make? One day, one lifetime. And just like you did, rehearse them. Rehearse the whole entire thing. Begin to install the neurological hardware in your brain.

• 1:05:39Joe Dispenza?

  And if you keep installing it, the hardware's gonna become a software program. And it starts thinking and acting that way. And then here's the tough part. Can you teach your body emotionally? What your future's gonna feel like before it's made manifest? And don't get up until you feel that way. No. Practice that for a few days. And then see if you can stay in that state. And watch, all of a sudden, all those weird doors start opening for you. Synchronicities. Synchronicities, whatever they are. Number two. Take up time at the end of your day. The end of your day, before you lay down and give thanks for your life. Feel gratitude. And really teach your body what it feels like.

• 1:06:22Joe Dispenza?

  The emotional signature of gratitude, when gratitude means you're getting something. If I give you something that's of value, you would say thank you, cuz you would feel it, right? So when you're receiving... You're giving thanks, so gratitude is the ultimate state of receiving. So then, people only accept, believe, and surrender to the thoughts equal to their emotional state. So if you're in a state of gratitude, every thought's gonna make it right down into your body. If you're saying, "I'm healthy, I'm healthy, I'm healthy, I'm wealthy, I'm wealthy, I'm wealthy", and your body's programmed in negativity, it's saying, "No, you're not, no, you're not, no, you're not", the thought's gonna stop right here. So as you elevate your state, there are about 1,200

• 1:07:04Joe Dispenza?

  different chemical reactions that go on in the body that begin to restore and repair the body in a state of gratitude. And so we've done the research to prove that. 10 minutes, and just feel it with all of your heart. That's it.

• 1:07:18Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:07:18Joe Dispenza?

  Third thing, and very important, take time, whenever it is, sit down, close your eyes, and begin to just open your awareness to the space around you, and just sense it, and pay attention to it, and become more aware of it. The act of opening your awareness begins to reduce the stress hormones and creates more coherent brainwave states. I'm doing it right now. It's just a practice.

• 1:07:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:07:45Joe Dispenza?

  It's just a practice. And the more you do it, the better you get at it.

• 1:07:49Speaker 01

  Wow. Who's been your greatest teacher?

• 1:07:52Joe Dispenza?

  Oh, life, no doubt about it. I believe that life is our initiation. I mean, I do my best to see my life as a reflection of my mind, and I think that, and I think that life is our greatest teacher.

• 1:08:08Speaker 01

  Reflection of your mind is essentially like what you've created is a reflection of how you've been thinking?

• 1:08:14Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah, yeah, exactly.

• 1:08:15Speaker 01

  So if you're showing up sick physically, then that's what you've created in your mind?

• 1:08:18Joe Dispenza?

  Look, I don't believe the germs make me sick. I believe I make me sick. I do. I mean, there's no germs with my name on it out there. I mean, they're called opportunistic bacteria, because they're waiting for an opportunity for your immune system to be compromised. And so, for me personally,

• 1:08:35Joe Dispenza?

  You have to ask myself this question every day. At what point do I stop believing that I create my life? What is that point? So I'm always pushing that envelope a little bit more. So for me, I think life is our initiation. We don't need to go to any ancient school of wisdom in the Himalayas. Life is our initiation. And when you meet the challenges in your life from a greater level of mind, you're going to begin to move through those initiations. And what is the side effect of that? Wisdom. And that's what we take with us, being wise.

• 1:09:10Speaker 01

  Powerful. How can we connect with you online and go to your events? What's the best place to go to?

• 1:09:17Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah, so my website is just drjodispenza.com. D R J O E dispenza.com. And there's just a ton of resources there. We have an online progressive course now. I don't teach those courses anymore because my interest is in the week longs. So for people who come to a week long, they do a home study course where they get the basics. They understand what we're doing. It's about 23 hours. They can do it in however long they want. And then with that comes another study course. And then they can come to a week long and join a community of people that are all about passion and the unknown.

• 1:09:50Speaker 01

  Amazing. Amazing. When's the next event?

• 1:09:53Joe Dispenza?

  Well, the next event, gosh, the next week long is in Toronto, September 1st through 7th. And it's pretty close to sold out. Then we'll be in Australia in October, and then the UK in November, and then Cancun, Mexico in December. And then I got, you know, I got a couple of events that I'm doing here and there, other things.

• 1:10:14Speaker 01

  Listen.

• 1:10:15Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:16Speaker 01

  Couple of final questions for you. This one's called the three truths. They ask everyone at the end. If you imagine it's your last day many years from now, and you've achieved or created or been anything you've wanted to do, you've done it all, right? Everything you can think of has happened, created it, books, events, whatever you want to do, heal the world, you've done it all. For whatever reason, you've got to take everything with you, all your writings, your research, material, videos, events. It's not available for anyone to have anymore.

• 1:10:49Speaker 01

  But you have a piece of paper and you get to write down three things you know to be true about your life or the lessons that you would leave behind. And this is the only lessons that they would have access to. What would you say, are you got three truths?

• 1:11:01Joe Dispenza?

  Wow. Number one is that the divine lives in every human being. And that we have to make an effort to connect with it every day. And when we do, it answers the call in ways that we would just never anticipate. And I know that to be the truth. And that nobody is so special to be excluded from that phenomenon. And number two is that we are the creators of our lives and not the victims of our lives. And that taking time in your life to invest in yourself is to invest in a future. And when you invest in yourself, you invest in your future. And when you believe in yourself, you believe in possibility. And I think that everybody secretly believes in themselves.

• 1:11:45Joe Dispenza?

  And so taking time to understand that we are just works in progress. And to find time to forgive ourselves and to forgive others. Start fresh the next day is a blessing, is a blessing. And finally, I think that it's not our purpose in life to be a popular or successful or beautiful or intelligent. Our purpose in life is to remove those blocks, those valves, those limitations that stand in the way between us and that divine intelligence. And when we do, it begins to make its way through us. And we become more like it, we become more loving.

• 1:12:30Joe Dispenza?

  It is a loving intelligence, we become more giving, it's a giver of life. We become more conscious, it's a consciousness. We become more mindful, it has an infinite mind. We become more willful, it has an amazing will. Its nature becomes our nature, its mind becomes our mind. And then we don't have to try. To be liked, or try to be important, or try to be recognized. We're just happy for no reason at all. And I think that is the natural state of being. And I think that we innately know that on some level.

• 1:12:59Speaker 01

  Great truths. Thank you. Before I ask the final question, I want to acknowledge you for a moment, Joe, for constantly pushing the envelopes on what's possible and constantly learning and growing and researching so that you can continue to help so many people in the world overcome pain, overcome stress, overcome disease, anything that's holding us back. And I really acknowledge the work that you're doing because I think it's awakening so many people up to what they thought was possible and were limited to, to know what is actually possible for them. So I acknowledge you for all that.

• 1:13:34Joe Dispenza?

  Thank you. I'll let that in all the way.

• 1:13:36Speaker 01

  I appreciate it. And I'd love to have you come back on sometime in the future. But for now, I think that's going to blow people's minds. I was extremely inspired by everything you said. So the final question is, what's your definition of greatness?

• 1:13:50Joe Dispenza?

  So greatness, my definition of greatness is to be greater than your environment, to be greater than your body, and to be greater than time. And if you do, you will be great. I mean, that is it.

• 1:14:02Speaker 01

  True. Thank you, man. Appreciate you, Michael.

• 1:14:04Joe Dispenza?

  That was great.

• 1:14:05Lewis Howes?

  I hope you enjoyed today's episode and it inspired you on your journey towards greatness. Make sure to check out the show notes in the description for a full rundown of today's episode with all the important links. And if you want weekly exclusive bonus episodes with me personally, as well as ad-free listening, then make sure to subscribe to our Greatness Plus channel exclusively on Apple Podcasts. Share this with a friend on social media and leave us a review on Apple Podcasts as well. Let me know what you enjoyed about this episode in that review. I really love hearing feedback from you and it helps us figure out how we can support and serve you moving forward. And I want to remind you, if no one has told you lately that you are loved, you are worthy, and you matter. And

• 1:14:50Lewis Howes?

  now it's time to go out there and do something great.