How To Manifest Love & Deep Connection With Your Words & Frequency | Erwin McManus

I'm going on tour! Come see The School of Greatness LIVE in person! Get my new book Make Money Easy here! My friend Erwin McManus returns to dive deep into the fascinating world of human communication and connection. As the author of "The Seven Frequencies of Communication," Erwin breaks down how our words carry frequencies that shape the universe inside others. We explore how mastering different communication frequencies can transform our relationships, why authenticity and empathy are essential for powerful connection, and how our own self-worth influences the relationships we attract. Erwin vulnerably shares his personal journey of finding freedom beyond others' expectations and offers profound insights on living fearlessly at any age. Whether you're looking to deepen your relationships, communicate more effectively, or step into a more authentic version of yourself, this conversation will give you practical tools and inspiring perspectives to elevate your impact. Get Erwin's New Book: The Seven Frequencies of CommunicationIn this episode you will learn:How your communication frequency can either elevate or limit your relationshipsWhy we attract relationships that match our level of self-worthThe powerful connection between empathy, authenticity and effective communicationHow to transform fear from a paralyzing force into fuel for growthWays to break free from living up to others' expectations and embrace your unique pathFor more information go to https://www.lewishowes.com/1731For more Greatness text PODCAST to +1 (614) 350-3960More SOG episodes we think you’ll love:Sarah Jakes Roberts – greatness.lnk.to/1606SCMichael Todd – greatness.lnk.to/1508SCEric Thomas – greatness.lnk.to/1696SC Get more from Lewis! Get my New York Times Bestselling book, Make Money Easy! Get The Greatness Mindset audiobook on SpotifyText Lewis AIYouTubeInstagramWebsiteTiktokFacebookX

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• 0:45Speaker 00

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• 0:54Speaker 00

  Hey guys, Lewis Howes here and thank you so much for being here. I am excited about this. I'm a big fan of Erwin McManus and this episode is going to provide practical wisdom for anyone looking to improve their ability to connect with other people and attract more fulfilling relationships in your life. And the interesting thing is we tend to attract relationships that match our level of self-worth. And this is the key. We need to break that pattern so we can create different relationships that unlock abundance in our life, that unlock peace, that unlock joy, more love, more freedom, and I want that for you. I want you to feel free in every area of your life.

• 1:37Speaker 00

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• 2:09Lewis Howes?

  Welcome back everyone in the School of Greatness. Very excited about our guest we have, my good friend Erwin McManus in the house. So good to see you.

• 2:16Erwin McManus?

  Man, I am so glad to see you.

• 2:18Lewis Howes?

  I'm pumped. The last time you came on, we talked about your new book, The Seven Frequencies of Communication, and we walked through kind of these, each one specifically. It was a powerful episode, and I want people to watch that in tandem with this. And what I want to do with this episode is to see, we're going to talk about my core frequencies.

• 2:38Erwin McManus?

  Oh, that's gonna be fun.

• 2:40Lewis Howes?

  Because I took your assessment, which I'll tell people how they can do this. But the goal of this episode is to give people the tools on how to use their words and understand their frequencies that are within them, on how to really manifest and attract the loving relationship that they want in their life, or just powerful relationships in general, whether it's their soulmate, a loving partner, or the right partners in their life to elevate what they want in life. And so that's the direction I want to take with this, because I feel like you have such a wealth of experience, wisdom, and knowledge from what you teach, what you write about, but also life experience, being married for, what is it?

• 3:22Erwin McManus?

  Forty years.

• 3:23Lewis Howes?

  Four decades now. Which we talked about this in previous episodes as well, but really marrying these frequencies to love and relationships, I think, will be an interesting thing. You have this on page 148 of the book. Again, this book's really powerful. I want people to get it. It's called The Seven Frequencies of Communication: The Hidden Language of Human Connection. On page 148, you say that your sound waves do not simply send out your thoughts and ideas, but your sound waves are an extension of you. What does that mean?

• 3:56Erwin McManus?

  I first started thinking about the anthropology of humans, you know, when you're really young. You think, oh, well, humans are flesh and bone, right? We're flesh and blood. And then as you, you know, progress and begin thinking about what makes humans, and you understand science, you go, okay, this is kind of cool. Humans are earth, we're physical, we're fire, we have an energetic heart, we're wind, we breathe, inhale and exhale. We're literally the elements, earth, wind, fire, and water. We're 80% or more water. So human beings are literally the four basic elements. But if you keep progressing and looking at the human essence, we are particles and waves.

• 4:37Erwin McManus?

  And one of the incredible things about particles is this whole dynamic of quantum entanglement, right, that two particles that come together are forever affected by each other, no matter how far they're separated. Which explains why someone who came into your life when you were 10 still impacts you to this day. Yeah. How they got into you because their particles merged and formed into your particles, and you're forever affected by that. Yes, and there's cellular memory also. So choose who you bring into your solar system because those particles are gonna be part of your particles forever. Whether you like it or not, Louis, you and I are connected for all of eternity. I like it. And we're part of this universe together. It's beautiful. But we're not only particles, we're also waves.

• 5:21Erwin McManus?

  And when we think of our words, it's almost as if we think of something that is disassociated from us. Doubt, we're saying it and it's releasing. And it's gone. Yeah, yeah. It's like spit. Yes. Right, you know, you're swallowing your spit all the time, but the moment you spit it out into a glass, you would never drink it. Because now it's not a part of you. Interesting, yeah. But your words never leave you. Really? They're a part of who you are. They're an extension of your essence. So right now, while we're having this conversation, we're doing a soul share. Way before there was air being a bee, we're sharing each other's souls. And I'm speaking and I'm going into your soul and you're speaking and you're going into my soul. And our waves are dynamically affecting each other. Which is an extraordinary thing.

• 6:06Erwin McManus?

  And so there are all these mechanisms of measuring wavelengths. And you can actually see how wavelengths shape different materials. They can move sand on a particular kind of metal or, you know, we can study how sounds shape the universe. But we never think about how our sounds are shaping the universe out of people. Wow. You know, Louis, there's just something profound when a friend looks at you and says, "I love you." And by the way, I do. And I can say without any restraint, "I love you." And those words...

• 6:45Erwin McManus?

  They don't simply stop between you and me. Those words are transferred from me to you and they connect us forever.

• 6:54Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 6:55Erwin McManus?

  And there's something really powerful in that. And I actually think it's because we're divinely created. You know, and you know, being a person who is really shaped by the scriptures and how Genesis talks about everything being created by God speaking. And God speaks and the waves of God's voice creates the universe. And that we're created in that image and likeness and that we speak and we create universes as we speak.

• 7:22Lewis Howes?

  Hmm, and also the, I guess, the words and the sound or the tone of our words.

• 7:27Erwin McManus?

  That's right.

• 7:27Lewis Howes?

  It's the combination, it's the word and the, the frequency of the word, the sound. Can connect us, but also you could take that and it could connect you to others through someone else.

• 7:40Erwin McManus?

  That's right.

• 7:41Lewis Howes?

  It's like if you're transmuting something into someone else, speaking life into them as God did to us. That person, you could be the ripple that where they could speak it into others too.

• 7:53Erwin McManus?

  That's right, because humans understand frequencies before they understand language. Because when you have an infant, they cannot speak English.

• 8:03Lewis Howes?

  Right, right, right.

• 8:04Erwin McManus?

  They do not speak Korean. They do not speak Spanish, they speak frequencies.

• 8:08Lewis Howes?

  Interesting.

• 8:08Erwin McManus?

  So when you look at that little baby and you say, I love you. That baby is absorbing the frequency of your words and then attributes the meaning to the words. Words are just sounds. You see, cambio de la idioma, quizá podemos hablar o quizá no. Because the moment we change the language, but we still have the sounds. They're just sounds that we give meaning to and those sounds are transmitted to the waves of our voice. We have a power that's emitted when our breath passes through our lips.

• 8:39Lewis Howes?

  Wow. How can we start to anchor ourselves to speak with more positive frequency? And do the words we say matter or how we say the words matter more?

• 8:53Erwin McManus?

  They're both important. I think that language is both art and science.

• 9:00Erwin McManus?

  It's, you know, it's both poetry and prose, right? And if you want to be a master communicator,

• 9:08Erwin McManus?

  be careful about how you say it. But be more careful about the texture of what you said. Funny thing, years ago, I was in Germany, speaking to about 5,000 people. And I had this translator, and I know I'm saying, I'm gonna say something very controversial. And Germans are very stoic.

• 9:28Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 9:30Erwin McManus?

  Very orthodox in their approach to things. And halfway through my talk, I make the statement, and my translator translates for me. And I stop him. And I said, wait a minute, you did not say what I just said. And he said, what? And I said, you did not say what I just said. You translated what I said, but you changed it. He goes, you don't speak German. I said, that's not the point. Did you say what I said, or did you change what I said? This is in front of 5,000 people. And he said, I changed what you said. I didn't agree with it.

• 10:05Lewis Howes?

  No way.

• 10:06Erwin McManus?

  And he goes, but what I want to know is, how could you know?

• 10:10Lewis Howes?

  Frequency.

• 10:11Erwin McManus?

  It was frequencies.

• 10:12Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 10:13Erwin McManus?

  I could tell he changed his frequency instantly.

• 10:15Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, something about the way he looked at you, or the way he looked.

• 10:17Erwin McManus?

  I wasn't even looking at him. I'm looking at the audience.

• 10:19Lewis Howes?

  Just his tone?

• 10:21Erwin McManus?

  Literally, the tone changed.

• 10:22Lewis Howes?

  Oh, wow.

• 10:23Erwin McManus?

  And he thought it was impossible for me to translate it. But when you translate frequencies, not just words, it changes everything.

• 10:33Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, the interpretation of it was different.

• 10:35Erwin McManus?

  Yeah.

• 10:36Lewis Howes?

  Interesting.

• 10:37Erwin McManus?

  And even if you take this to a really basic level, I don't know if you have a dog.

• 10:40Lewis Howes?

  Two cats.

• 10:41Erwin McManus?

  You have two cats, alright. This doesn't work with cats. Cats don't have a human frequency.

• 10:46Lewis Howes?

  The dog can feel it, because they're like happy, or they're like sad, right?

• 10:49Erwin McManus?

  Dogs don't speak English.

• 10:50Lewis Howes?

  No.

• 10:51Erwin McManus?

  Right? They just speak frequencies. And so you can look at your dog and if you keep the same frequency and change the words, they'll do exactly what that frequency tells them.

• 11:00Lewis Howes?

  Good boy or bad boy, bad boy.

• 11:02Erwin McManus?

  You're the ugliest dog I've ever seen.

• 11:04Lewis Howes?

  You're horrible, but you're saying lovingly, they're gonna be happy.

• 11:07Erwin McManus?

  That's right. And so we recognize there's a connection even with other animals. That's frequency driven, but we think it's actually language driven and it's not.

• 11:15Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. There's a few things that you talk about that I think are really interesting. And I want to share a few of these things, but you talk about words and frequency. And there was a line somewhere that you said, words are as close to alchemy as we could ever come. And words are magic. And I'm curious. What does that mean when it comes to figuring out how to attract someone we care about, we're interested in, we want to build a relationship, how to use words and frequency that we have with our voice to attract a quality relationship?

• 11:48Erwin McManus?

  I love that question. The subtitle of the book is The Hidden Language of Human Connection.

• 11:53Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 11:54Erwin McManus?

  And for me, the ultimate goal is connection. Communication is the process to connection. And so if I only help people communicate better, I don't think I would find the level of fulfillment that this book is bringing to me. Because what I really want to see is people connect at a deep level, at a deep human level, at a level of intimacy and understanding and a place where people are seen and see others.

• 12:26Erwin McManus?

  And it's, and it's really, really true when you talk about intimate interpersonal relationships with a wife or a partner or someone that you love deeply. And the longer you're together, the more you really need to learn the nuances of human communication and connection. I've been married 40 years and believe me, if all I heard was what Kim said, we would not have made it.

• 12:46Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 12:48Erwin McManus?

  And if all she hears is what I say, it's not going to get us where we need to go. Because we are all saying so much more than our words. But that phrase when I talk about that words are as close to alchemy as we'll ever get, is that I really do pay attention to the language in our culture on manifestation, on manifesting things. And I think where sometimes, for me, it feels a little bit off, and where it could really move into a zone of transformation, is that we tend to try to manifest things that are external. You know, I want this job, or I want this career, or I want this success. But the real power of words

• 13:31Erwin McManus?

  are the magic of transforming our inner worlds. That when you speak into someone's life, you're transforming the universe inside of them. And I think sometimes we underestimate the power of our words in the way they shape the human experience. You know, when you're five or six years old and someone tells you that you're worthless, those words shape the universe inside of you. Or when someone looks at you and tells you that you're special, that you're loved, that you're valued, that explodes inside of the universe inside of you. And when I begin to realize that my words have so much power that it can actually reshape the universe inside of another human being, I realize that is alchemy.

• 14:16Erwin McManus?

  I can create a space for hope, for joy, for meaning, for intention, for even as superficial as it sounds, happiness. Because so much of what people are searching for in the external world is actually only found in our internal world.

• 14:34Lewis Howes?

  Yes, yes. Man, that's probably, yeah. So you're saying that if Kim, you wouldn't have made it if you were only listening to her words? Is that what you said?

• 14:44Erwin McManus?

  That's right.

• 14:45Lewis Howes?

  And so words have a frequency, from my understanding?

• 14:48Erwin McManus?

  Absolutely.

• 14:48Lewis Howes?

  And also, there's a frequency that's underneath the words as well, right?

• 14:52Erwin McManus?

  Well, we have a frequency. And language is the mechanism through which we pass or transmit those frequencies.

• 14:58Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 14:59Erwin McManus?

  And so when one person says, "I love you," it can create a very different frequency than when someone else says, "I love you."

• 15:07Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 15:08Erwin McManus?

  Or, "Love you." And even when you're looking at the different frequencies that we've identified in the book, When a person has one particular frequency, when they say the same thing, it doesn't create the same resonance when someone says it with a different frequency.

• 15:22Lewis Howes?

  Why is that? I mean, and why is that? And how do we tap into a frequency within us that has a greater impact on ourselves when we speak, but also on others when we speak?

• 15:33Erwin McManus?

  I think it's because we haven't developed the full toolbox of human connection and human communication, that we end up with a primary frequency, and it becomes our dominant frequency. And so, we end up using a frequency all the time in every situation. And let's say if you're a commander, and that's your dominant frequency, and you're also a CEO of a company. And so, your commander frequency is absolutely bringing you incredible success. You know exactly what to do. You know how to be directive. You are very utilitarian with your language. And then, you go home. And you try to use that commander frequency in your marriage.

• 16:08Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 16:08Erwin McManus?

  Or even worse than that, you use that commander frequency with your eight-year-old daughter. And it's completely utilitarian. It doesn't connect at a deeply visceral level where that person feels valued and loved and accepted. And where things I really try to do when someone has a commander frequency. By the way, my wife's primary frequency is commander.

• 16:28Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 16:29Erwin McManus?

  And, um, and my son Aaron, his primary frequency is commander. So, I'm surrounded by two commanders. I never lack for clarity about what I should do with my life.

• 16:37Lewis Howes?

  Do this, do this. Yeah, yeah.

• 16:39Erwin McManus?

  But you have to begin to be able to hear the nuances behind the command.

• 16:43Lewis Howes?

  Ah.

• 16:44Erwin McManus?

  What happens so many times is that a person is commander, and they love someone deeply. But they're with you day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year. And in their mind, I told you I loved you in 2016.

• 16:59Lewis Howes?

  Right. Why do I need to say it again?

• 17:00Erwin McManus?

  Yeah. Why do I need to say it again? It's so unutilitarian.

• 17:04Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 17:04Erwin McManus?

  For me to have to waste that language again.

• 17:06Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, I told you once a year. Every year, Christmas, I tell you.

• 17:09Erwin McManus?

  Or I show you.

• 17:10Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 17:10Erwin McManus?

  I show you by paying the bills. I, I show you by cooking for you. I, I, I show you that I love you. Why do I have to find the frequency that resonates at a deep level to let you know I mean it? Because it's not about simply saying the words. The words are empty without the frequency.

• 17:26Lewis Howes?

  What is it that people are missing that would make them exceptional communicators in every area of their life if they learned how to do this one thing around what you're saying?

• 17:37Erwin McManus?

  Well, in the book, I talk about the way to elevate your frequency is by increasing two things. Empathy and authenticity.

• 17:46Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 17:47Erwin McManus?

  And so I would say do two things. Learn how to see life from another person's perspective. Step into someone else's, not their shoes, step into their soul. Experience how they are experiencing the world. For me, that's really the power of empathy.

• 18:08Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 18:08Erwin McManus?

  Empathy is sharing someone's soul with them. And seeing the world through their experience, their emotions, their perspectives. And, and it's a beautiful thing. And so empathy is about seeing the other person. But authenticity is about allowing other people to see you. And so a part of the journey is not just empathy, it's authenticity. It's helping people see you for who you really are. Helping them understand your deep emotional texture and context for life. And when you grow in authenticity and go in empathy, your frequency moves toward, toward its highest level.

• 18:47Lewis Howes?

  Say that one more time.

• 18:48Erwin McManus?

  When you grow in empathy and authenticity, your frequency grows to its highest level. And so a part of when you ask, how do you learn how to use what frequencies you pay attention? You listen to the room, you listen to people.

• 19:00Lewis Howes?

  How do you do this in a marriage after 40 years? When, you know, you have memories and, I don't know, your similarities of the same things and events happening over and over? How do you continue to tap into the frequency that is needed for your partner to feel seen, loved and heard and accepted? As opposed to leaning into a dominant frequency where they don't feel as appreciated?

• 19:25Erwin McManus?

  It's so important to see the opportunity

• 19:31Erwin McManus?

  to express unconditional love to someone as a gift. Not that you're the gift to them, but you getting to express that is in a sense, a gift to them and a gift to you. Just a small thing. I don't know why. Maybe it's because my wife is a farm girl from North Carolina. But food is central to our life. And when she cooks, she literally waits for me to comment on everything she's cooked.

• 20:00Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 20:00Erwin McManus?

  And sometimes I just don't want to comment.

• 20:03Lewis Howes?

  You just want to eat, enjoy it.

• 20:04Erwin McManus?

  I just want to eat it. And, and there have been times over the years, I'll, I will say to her, can you at least give me a chance to taste it? Because she'll, how is it? I don't know. Taste it. It looks great. And, and even if she doesn't cook it, if she buys it at the store and she picked that pie, she wants to know that that pie was incredible.

• 20:23Lewis Howes?

  Was it a good pick for me?

• 20:24Erwin McManus?

  Yeah. And even recently, having been married 40 years, I don't know how many meals we've eaten together over the years. I told myself, it gives her indescribable joy to hear, I love this. It costs me nothing.

• 20:44Lewis Howes?

  For someone who's been through a devastating breakup in a relationship, or maybe they've had just kind of heartbreak after heartbreak in relationships, how can someone use what you've created here and use their words and frequencies to manifest love, even if they've experienced so much pain and disappointment in relationships?

• 21:09Erwin McManus?

  That's a really nuanced question. Because what happens when you're going through pain is you're in great danger of moving toward your shadows.

• 21:17Lewis Howes?

  What does that mean?

• 21:18Erwin McManus?

  Every frequency has a shadow frequency. And just like every human being's on a spectrum of, you know, their best self and their lesser self. And so the, the shadow of the motivator is the performer. The shadow of the challenger is the manipulator. The shadow of, of the commander is the dictator. The shadow of the professor is the diminisher. The shadow of the healer is the cipher. The shadow of the seer is the perfectionist. And then the shadow of the maven is the nihilist. And so you have to realize that whatever your core frequencies are, you have a natural tendency when you're in pain, when you're struggling with, let's say, forgiveness, or bitterness, or anger, or despair, to move into your shadow.

• 22:02Erwin McManus?

  And so you begin to communicate from that shadow, even though you're unaware of it. Because when people ask me, how do I get rid of my shadow? I go, no, your shadow is not out there. Your shadow is in here. And the only way you can get rid of your shadow is choosing forgiveness rather than bitterness, choosing love rather than hate, choosing hope rather than despair. So it's the, it's the material of your soul that actually changes your frequency and moves you from shadow to light.

• 22:28Lewis Howes?

  So when someone, I mean, you can use me as an example. I was in many relationships that I, I felt they were right, maybe, or felt like maybe that potential, and I stayed in them for long times, tried to make them work, but then they wouldn't work out and then be a lot of pain. Then I'd repeat the cycle, you know, kind of all through my twenties and thirties, right? If someone has gone through kind of breakup after breakup, what is it inside of them that's missing for them to be able to really create that harmonious match in someone else? Where it is more in alignment, where it is more in the right, I don't know, the right vision for what they want to create in a relationship? So they don't have to go through the same pattern of breakup and pain over and over again?

• 23:11Erwin McManus?

  Yes, we tend to match ourselves with a person that matches our own self-worth.

• 23:18Lewis Howes?

  Wow, man.

• 23:20Erwin McManus?

  So if you have a low self-worth, you're going to keep dating someone that validates that low self-worth. And you're going to end up in a toxic relationship, and then you end up with a terrible breakup, and it's going to reinforce your sense of lack of self-worth.

• 23:34Lewis Howes?

  Your lack of worthiness.

• 23:35Erwin McManus?

  That's right.

• 23:36Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 23:36Erwin McManus?

  And so that relationship is not there actually to elevate you to a higher level of self-worth. It's there to validate your low belief in yourself.

• 23:45Lewis Howes?

  Gosh.

• 23:46Erwin McManus?

  So the only way you can move into a healthier relationship, and I've known you for a few years now, I, I, I feel like you've changed.

• 23:56Erwin McManus?

  I thought you were incredible when I met you. I mean, you were already, to me, one of the most extraordinary human beings ever known. But I do think that you are not the same person.

• 24:06Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, I feel different.

• 24:07Erwin McManus?

  And who you are with Marta is not just a reflection of what an extraordinary human being she is. I think it's actually an expression of how you've grown as a human being.

• 24:17Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 24:18Erwin McManus?

  To recognize your worth and worthy of more.

• 24:21Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, 100%.

• 24:22Erwin McManus?

  And at the same time, you're able to have that relationship because she's a pretty self-actualized person. And she's looking for someone that matches her own sense of self-worth.

• 24:33Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 24:33Erwin McManus?

  Does that make sense?

• 24:34Lewis Howes?

  100%, yeah.

• 24:35Erwin McManus?

  And so I think if you keep going back to toxic relationships, you have to realize they're just a symptom of what's actually working inside of you, what's going on inside of you. And if you can deal with the toxicity in your own soul, your self-loathing, your lack of self-worth, those inner voices that told you that you're not worthy of love, whatever it may be. And when if you can deal with that inner turmoil, you can actually be ready for a better relationship.

• 25:03Lewis Howes?

  It's so interesting because when I was in these experiences of pain and breakup and doubts, you know, should I be in this relationship, should I not be in this relationship in the past? And, you know, months of being single and between relationships and just like, ah, what's going on in my life? I wasn't thinking consciously like, am I worthy? But looking back, I see how unworthy I was unconsciously, I guess. And how I was attracting relationships because I guess I didn't really believe I was, I wanted something beautiful and great, but I didn't think I was either ready or deserving of it right at that moment.

• 25:42Erwin McManus?

  Right. Think about if you're living in your shadows. Why would you ever choose to date someone living in their light?

• 25:48Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 25:50Erwin McManus?

  Because their light would simply reveal your shadows. So if you're living in your shadows, you look for someone living in their shadows.

• 25:57Lewis Howes?

  Right, to match you.

• 25:58Erwin McManus?

  That's right.

• 26:00Lewis Howes?

  It's more safe.

• 26:01Erwin McManus?

  It is, and it doesn't expose you.

• 26:04Lewis Howes?

  Right. And hopefully your shadow's not as dark as them, so you're, you know, you're a little more light than, yeah.

• 26:10Erwin McManus?

  Yeah, but that's why it ends up moving toward a toxic relationship.

• 26:12Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 26:13Erwin McManus?

  Because you ever realize the person that you love so much at the ends sees you in such a negative view? They see the worst of you.

• 26:22Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 26:23Erwin McManus?

  And they let you know everything that's wrong with you.

• 26:25Lewis Howes?

  I've heard that many times, yeah.

• 26:26Erwin McManus?

  And everything they're saying to you are the very things you believed about yourself before you started dating them.

• 26:32Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, it's true.

• 26:33Erwin McManus?

  And now they're validating what you were already telling yourself about yourself. And that's why you have to have the conversation with you before you can have a different conversation with someone else.

• 26:43Lewis Howes?

  Absolutely. It's almost like I needed to, I don't know if kill is the right word, but I needed to mend and heal the old version of me. To alchemize into someone new internally. Whether that's letting go of an old version, or alchemizing and healing the old version to the new, however I want to talk about it, but it was like, I definitely had to step into a new identity.

• 27:04Erwin McManus?

  Yes.

• 27:05Lewis Howes?

  And either heal the old identity into an upgraded version, letting it go, whatever it might be. I needed to do that in order to attract a relationship where I felt peaceful, because I never felt peace. And I think a lot of people listening or watching who have been struggling in relationships, they feel like anxiety in their relationship. So how can we learn to, I guess, the first part of that question, how can we learn to anchor ourselves, to be more empowered, to both speak with power, with the word, the actual words, but then speak with frequency, energy, and marry the two? Like, how can we start to believe we are either deserving or confident or wise enough

• 27:50Lewis Howes?

  to be able to marry the two at the highest level of frequency in relationship, but also in all relationships?

• 27:57Erwin McManus?

  To begin with, you need to pay attention to the frequency with which you speak to yourself.

• 28:03Erwin McManus?

  Pay attention to what you're saying to you. Because if you're not kind to yourself, you will not be kind to others.

• 28:11Erwin McManus?

  You don't express empathy toward yourself, you will not express empathy toward others.

• 28:15Lewis Howes?

  When you see someone who's an angry person towards others, what do you see in them?

• 28:19Erwin McManus?

  A person who hates themselves.

• 28:20Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, interesting.

• 28:22Erwin McManus?

  Yeah, they're, they don't know the world, so they can't be angry with the world. They're angry with themselves.

• 28:28Lewis Howes?

  So true. And what do they need to transform that?

• 28:33Erwin McManus?

  They actually need to forgive themselves.

• 28:35Lewis Howes?

  Because they've been what blaming or shaming or feeling guilty about something?

• 28:38Erwin McManus?

  Or maybe they did something that they can't get past. And they can't forgive themselves for. And or maybe something happened to them when they were young that wasn't their fault, but they took the blame for it. And so they, they don't realize that. Instead of choosing to be a victim, you see there's some people who choose to become victims, but some people just choose to become violent.

• 28:59Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 29:00Erwin McManus?

  And their way of avoiding being a victim is to become violent. And they become violent in their words, their emotions, it doesn't always have to be physical.

• 29:09Erwin McManus?

  And, and so I think it has to begin by paying attention to what you're saying to yourself. And that you cannot connect to other people if you don't deal with the health of your soul.

• 29:17Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 29:18Erwin McManus?

  You have to find a way to get rid of the toxic emotions that destroy you. Like bitterness and anger and jealousy, um, whatever they may be in your life. You're not going to live your life connecting to people at a deeply human level. If you can't even connect to yourself. And, and it's, it's one of the things I think for me is really freeing. Is that I'm not free because. I found perfection. And I'm not free because I even live up to all my ideals. I, I, I'm free because I don't expect myself to be perfect.

• 29:53Lewis Howes?

  Interesting, yeah.

• 29:54Erwin McManus?

  And I, I've just learned to forgive myself for my inadequacy.

• 29:58Lewis Howes?

  When did you get to that, that place? Like, how old were you or what season of life?

• 30:02Erwin McManus?

  Wow, I mean, I was in a psychiatric chair by the time I was 10 years old, in, in and out of a hospital for months. And I had not learned that then. And I think in high school, I was still trying to figure out how to create value so that I could be loved. And you'd try through sports and all these other different mechanisms, right?

• 30:24Lewis Howes?

  Sports, yeah, yeah.

• 30:26Erwin McManus?

  I think I was in, in college and I was a philosophy student. And I still, I was really struggling with, is there any meaning to life? And does my existence have any value? Do I matter? And for me, it was a part of a faith journey. And, you know, everyone has to find, you know, their way to find meaning in life. But for me, it was unexpected. I was not on a faith journey, not consciously or even unconsciously. I don't like, you know, I was just trying to make sense of my life and to find a reason to get up in the morning. And I struggled with depression. I struggled with self-loathing.

• 31:10Erwin McManus?

  And the idea that God existed and that He saw me and that I had infinite value was something that was really meaningful for me. I say to people, look, if God didn't exist, I would have to have created Him just to survive. You know, just to find

• 31:35Erwin McManus?

  a reason to wake up in the morning to go, my life actually matters. And in that was this whole concept of grace that I'd never understood. And it was, you're just absolutely accepted. And so you don't have to earn your worth. You just start from your worth and then you just live. Yes. And it transformed me where, you know, I just, I just believed it. I just accepted the fact that I had value, that I mattered, that I was completely loved. And then life was like a bonus game. Wow. I don't have to live my life to prove my worth. I don't have to live my life to earn being loved. I don't have to live my life to prove I have value

• 32:19Erwin McManus?

  and that I have a right to exist. I just accept it.

• 32:23Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 32:24Erwin McManus?

  And then life just becomes this beautiful adventure.

• 32:27Lewis Howes?

  Fun.

• 32:27Erwin McManus?

  It just becomes fun.

• 32:28Lewis Howes?

  Fun.

• 32:29Erwin McManus?

  Sometimes I feel guilty. In fact, I posted a story today and and someone's upset, well, you know, because I was too happy. And they said, you're not being sensitive to all the unhappiness in the world.

• 32:40Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, the suffering.

• 32:41Erwin McManus?

  And and I'm like, I just don't want to apologize that I wake up in the morning and I'm so excited about being alive.

• 32:47Lewis Howes?

  So true. Every, I mean, it doesn't mean there's not challenges or adversities that I face from time to time. Even before you were here today, I was going through some challenges with business stuff and some frustrations. But I wake up and I walk outside and I just put my arms up and I say, thank you, God, for this beautiful day. And for everything you've given me, I'm so grateful and blessed. I'm just like, man, it's like such a gift.

• 33:10Erwin McManus?

  Yeah.

• 33:10Lewis Howes?

  And I think about this stat that 150,000 people die every day in the world. But we're not one of them today. Today, we're not one of them. And that alone is a gift. Like, that's a reason to find joy. Even if things aren't going well, even if you're going through a horrible breakup, even if you're not happy with the government, even if someone cheated on you, lied to you, stole from you, hurt you, abandoned abandoned you, abused you. What a gift to be alive.

• 33:40Erwin McManus?

  Yeah.

• 33:41Lewis Howes?

  You know, it's not enjoyable. I'm not saying I like stay in that space, but still, man, what a gift and opportunity. And should we feel guilty? Like you said, should you feel guilty to be grateful like that things that we get this day to be alive?

• 33:59Erwin McManus?

  Yeah, I think it's

• 34:02Erwin McManus?

  it's an interesting tension. Everyone wants to have a common experience, but the only common experience we can have is misery.

• 34:09Lewis Howes?

  Why is that?

• 34:10Erwin McManus?

  Because we all experience pain.

• 34:13Erwin McManus?

  So that's the one thing we all have in common. But

• 34:18Erwin McManus?

  We need to elevate and go, yes, we all experience pain, but we can all experience joy. We can all experience fulfillment. It just takes more intention. Every negative emotion comes easily. Every positive emotion takes work.

• 34:34Lewis Howes?

  If God created us to be good, why does every negative emotion come easily? And being good or experiencing joy takes work?

• 34:43Erwin McManus?

  Because we think that God's intention is to make everything easy.

• 34:50Erwin McManus?

  And I don't think that that's even on God's agenda. Goodness should not be easy.

• 34:57Lewis Howes?

  Why?

• 34:58Erwin McManus?

  There's nothing in life that's worth anything that's easy.

• 35:03Erwin McManus?

  You're the face and voice of the school of greatness. Is there any aspect of greatness that comes easy?

• 35:11Lewis Howes?

  Depends on someone's definition, you know, just for some people's definition of greatness, it might be, you know, being alive and living a decent life, right? It's like just being here is greatness. It depends on someone's definition. But for my definition, I don't think there is. I think you've got to be willing to overcome yourself constantly. And that's hard work. You've got to be willing to make better decisions every day than the temptations that might seem easy.

• 35:38Erwin McManus?

  You're getting married to the most amazing human being in the world. But the relationship isn't easy.

• 35:43Lewis Howes?

  No, it takes intention, it takes effort, it takes focus.

• 35:45Erwin McManus?

  There's nothing worth anything in life that is easy.

• 35:50Lewis Howes?

  It took my whole life to be able to get to this point, you know, to get to a beautiful relationship, a whole life of sadness and suffering and effort and work like and healing and growth to get to a place where I feel peace.

• 36:06Erwin McManus?

  You have to fight for peace.

• 36:07Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 36:08Erwin McManus?

  Even peace. Despair is easy. Hope takes intention. Hate is easy. Love takes intention.

• 36:18Erwin McManus?

  War is easy. Peace takes intention. Every ideal expression of being human is hard. We have to fight for it. We have to long for it.

• 36:32Erwin McManus?

  And the best version of you doesn't come easy.

• 36:35Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 36:37Erwin McManus?

  It's something you have to fight for.

• 36:39Lewis Howes?

  In the last forty, I guess forty plus years since you you found this faith for yourself.

• 36:45Erwin McManus?

  Yeah.

• 36:46Lewis Howes?

  Where you started to find an ability to forgive yourself, not hate yourself, not look at yourself poorly.

• 36:55Lewis Howes?

  What has been the biggest challenge you've faced since finding love, forgiveness and grace?

• 37:02Erwin McManus?

  I think for me, my biggest challenge is

• 37:07Erwin McManus?

  has been this need to live a life that other people think I should live. It's living a life of obligation rather than a life of intention.

• 37:20Erwin McManus?

  No matter how much you accomplish in life, there's someone who's always strangely unhappy with your life. Have you noticed that?

• 37:27Lewis Howes?

  And typically, someone who's close to you somehow, yeah.

• 37:30Erwin McManus?

  And I I I've I've always wanted to to please the people in in in my life. I wanted to earn their respect, to earn their love. And and one of the things I had to just figure out in my life is you cannot live your life of, you know, live a life of obligation. You can't live for other people. You can't live for their opinions. You can't live for their approval. You just have to know your own intention and live your life with that purpose and let the chips fall where they may.

• 38:00Lewis Howes?

  How do you? How does someone listening or watching plan to have a beautiful, romantic relationship without trying to live up to the obligation of their partner and what they want from that relationship? How can you do both? Want to live a life on my terms, but also I want to make sure my partner is happy too.

• 38:19Erwin McManus?

  It's not really about living life, quote, on your terms. It's living a life with a clear intention for who you are.

• 38:27Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 38:28Erwin McManus?

  There's someone who will love who you're becoming, not just who you are.

• 38:35Erwin McManus?

  And I wanna, I wanna encourage people to not to find the person who loves you for who you are, but loves you for who you're becoming. Because when they love you for who you're becoming, they can see the depth of who you are.

• 38:49Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 38:49Erwin McManus?

  They can see your motive, they can see your intention, they can see your desire. And so when you fall short of it, they're not disappointed in you. Because they didn't see you as perfect. They saw you as progressing. They're the ones that actually will pull you up and say, no, no, this mess up, this isn't who you are. This is a hiccup. It's not who you are. Get back up.

• 39:10Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 39:11Erwin McManus?

  And that's what you want. You want that person who loves who you're becoming. And they refuse to give up on your becoming.

• 39:17Lewis Howes?

  Interesting.

• 39:18Erwin McManus?

  Not just who you've become.

• 39:20Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 39:20Erwin McManus?

  That's why a lot of marriages don't work when someone's already famous or rich or successful. They love who you've become. They don't love who you're becoming.

• 39:28Lewis Howes?

  Interesting.

• 39:30Erwin McManus?

  But when you marry and you're both in the struggle together, you see who you're becoming. That's the great advantage I have. I married Kim when I was 25 years old. I, my average income for about 10 years was around $8,000 a year. We slept on the floor because I couldn't afford a bed. And we were so happy. And she wasn't always happy with the situation we were in.

• 39:54Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 39:55Erwin McManus?

  But she could see that I was becoming someone. And I could see she was becoming someone and we were so happy to get to become together.

• 40:03Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. And do you still feel like you, it sounds like that's been a challenge for you is like living up to the obligations and trying to gain the respect of others around you? Do you feel like you've broken free of that lately or where are you at in your life right now?

• 40:19Erwin McManus?

  It's interesting because for me, Louis, it was because when I became a person of faith, I never wanted to do anything that would discredit Jesus. So I was maybe trying to talk around that just a little bit. You know, when I was saying not living a life of obligation. I was just always so concerned that I would make a choice or do something that I would dishonor or discredit who Jesus is because my faith in him is so deep and so profound in that. But I know that I'm not adequate to express him well, or maybe perfectly. And so I always lived with that concern.

• 40:59Lewis Howes?

  How do I live up to this perfection that I can never live up to?

• 41:02Erwin McManus?

  Yeah, because I'm not Jesus.

• 41:04Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, of course.

• 41:04Erwin McManus?

  You know, but people expect you to be. And so there's always like this tension. And then frankly, I have this, I don't know, this tool of skills or gifts or abilities. I'm just really good at like starting companies. I'm a really good entrepreneur. I'm actually really good at creating wealth. And I always held myself back because I didn't want people to think my faith was insincere because suddenly I had success or suddenly I had this. So so much of my work in the business world, I had to do secretly and privately.

• 41:35Lewis Howes?

  Quietly as a silent partner.

• 41:36Erwin McManus?

  Yeah, because I didn't want to hurt my reputation and what people thought about my faith. But now I'm 66 and I'm like, I just want to enjoy my life and I want to have the maximum impact. I'm going to write books and start companies and create massive impact and let people decide whoever they want. Because I have lived in that constraint of obligation, you know.

• 42:02Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 42:03Erwin McManus?

  Far more than I should have.

• 42:04Lewis Howes?

  Right. Do you feel like this is a new thing in the last couple of years then?

• 42:07Erwin McManus?

  I think in the last decade, I've been moving more and more in that direction. And it has propelled me into the business space far more and propelled me into worlds that I just love being in. And I actually love being in a world with people who are scientists. I love being in the world, people are atheists. I love being in the world where people are really significantly impactful business people. I have a lot of friends that, you know, like you, who are the best in the world at what you do. I enjoy investing in the top 1% of achievers in the world. And that's actually where I make my greatest contribution. It's kind of weird because my skill set is thinking. It's a strange skill set.

• 42:52Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 42:53Erwin McManus?

  But when I'm in a room, I can help even the best people in the world think at a higher level. And I had to just sort of accept at some point, oh, that's kind of like the gift I was given. And and it took me a long time to accept that because it feels like a strange thing to say.

• 43:09Lewis Howes?

  Sure.

• 43:10Erwin McManus?

  That, you know, that what I can do is I can help you see.

• 43:13Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 43:13Erwin McManus?

  Things that you can't see.

• 43:14Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, that's powerful. What is it that you think? God has been trying to say to you that you've been resisting for the next level of your life? The next level of. Abundance, freedom, peace, love, harmony. Is there something that?

• 43:31Erwin McManus?

  There is, but it's just hitting me that it it feels like um. Uh, I have to keep going back to the same chair with God. Because I I it was probably thirty years ago, I was invited to this leadership event. With a handful of people around the world. And they were all pastors. And they gave all all of us these assessments. And they all came the same. Came out exactly the same, then I came out completely different.

• 43:55Lewis Howes?

  All these other pastors?

• 43:56Erwin McManus?

  All these other pastors, they were like world leaders.

• 43:59Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 43:59Erwin McManus?

  And um, you know, emerging.

• 44:01Lewis Howes?

  Sure.

• 44:02Erwin McManus?

  Global influencers and. And I went off to this little bridge in the mountains of North Carolina. And I laid on the bridge and I said, God, why would you?

• 44:11Erwin McManus?

  Ask me to do this if? I'm not shaped the right way. And and I and in my own time reflection, what I heard was. If I wanted it done the same way, I would have called the same kind of people.

• 44:25Erwin McManus?

  I think. What I'm hearing again in my life is. Buckle up.

• 44:32Erwin McManus?

  I'm gonna do the unexpected in you and through you. And you just need to be ready for the unexpected.

• 44:39Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 44:40Erwin McManus?

  And so it's strange, I know I'm supposed to be retiring, right? You know, I'm I'm sixty six, I should be, you know, landing the plane. I think I'm just taking off for the first time. And I'm more excited about my future than I've ever been in my entire life. I feel so free. To be me. So free to be fully alive. And every time I do something like that, it sets a lot of people free. When I became a fashion designer, you cannot know how many people around the world told me. I didn't know I had permission to be a fashion designer. When I went, you know, and decided to be an artist and work in other spaces and film, whatever. I had people all over the world saying. The fact that you had the courage to do that gave me the courage to do that. And every time I take on some.

• 45:25Erwin McManus?

  Ridiculous endeavor and do something new. I know I'm actually breaking down barriers for other people, not just for me. And that for me is so exciting. Because the future needs the best version of all of us. It needs this fearless, you know, just insanely committed to create something beautiful and extraordinary version of each one of us. And, and that's why I love your theme, The School of Greatness. Because we can all measure greatness differently. But what I do know is the world needs the best version of you. And that's how you make the world better.

• 46:02Lewis Howes?

  Hundred percent. Wow. So you feel like you're going back to this chair 30 years ago. You need to keep revisiting that and know that. And accept the fact that you are different, you are unique than the others. And to set yourself free, is that kind of what you're hearing him say?

• 46:19Erwin McManus?

  It is, it's, you know, you don't have to be like anyone's ever been. There are no rules that you have to follow. There, there, you know, I, I, I want you to go down a path where there are no steps. And it's okay. Just be you and trust me. And I, and that's what I would say to people. You know, God did not create you to be like everyone else. He created you as a unique, beautiful, extraordinary human being. And that path, it should be a path that has never been walked before.

• 46:51Lewis Howes?

  What do you think people need to hear from God who are watching and listening about their love in their life? And what's possible for them to experience love? To receive love and to give love?

• 47:07Erwin McManus?

  I, I think it's just you matter. If, if you, if you just for one moment embrace the possibility that in the midst of this infinitely expansive universe, that there is a God who designed it all. And that he actually sees you.

• 47:29Erwin McManus?

  And I always tell people, you know, the worst thing in life is the wrong kind of love affair, where you love someone, but they don't love you back. When people say, oh, well, God is love, I go, that's only partially good news. Because if God is love, but he doesn't love you, it's not great news. What makes this really profound is that you're one of, what, eight billion people on this planet, and God sees you intimately, specifically, and created you for a relationship with him. There's a relationship of love and acceptance. And that, and for me, that is extraordinary. And that, God imagines the extraordinary potential inside of you.

• 48:11Erwin McManus?

  That God isn't looking for us to come to him so we can all conform. He's actually looking for us to come to him so he can unlock us and unleash us.

• 48:19Lewis Howes?

  Wow. Then what do you think is the main thing that is blocking people from their abundance in life right now?

• 48:26Erwin McManus?

  Well, I mean, the first word that comes to my mind is fear. And because we're designed, humans, whether we believe in God or not, are designed as faith creatures. No other animal perceives the future. We're the singular species on this planet that perceives the future. So what that does is it creates this dynamic space, or this tension. Because we perceive the future, so now we have to imagine it, either negatively or positively. And so when we talk about perceiving the future positively, that's faith. But when we perceive the future negatively, that's fear.

• 49:06Erwin McManus?

  And the moment you perceive the future through fear, you're paralyzed. And so I think what people need more than anything else is to realize that fear is the emotion that lets you know you're designed for the future.

• 49:22Erwin McManus?

  So I turn every negative emotion into a positive fuel. In fact, that's one of the things that I worked on so much in my shift is how to take negative emotions, negative material, and turn it into positive material, positive fuel. And so I look at fear, whenever I'm afraid, I go, oh, this is my brain tells me, telling me the future has a possibility that's too big for me right now, so I need to just step into it courageously. We grow to size.

• 49:49Lewis Howes?

  Uh huh.

• 49:49Erwin McManus?

  And our future isn't designed to be as small as we are right now. We grow to size. When you step into a bigger future, you grow to it.

• 49:58Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 49:59Erwin McManus?

  And, and so I just tell people, look, don't let fear paralyze you, let fear inform you that this is the direction you should go.

• 50:06Lewis Howes?

  You should be leaning into that.

• 50:08Erwin McManus?

  That's right.

• 50:08Lewis Howes?

  Courageously, yeah. How does someone have faith, though, in a future they can't see that is not here yet?

• 50:15Erwin McManus?

  Right. If you can't see it, you don't need faith. So you only need faith for a future you can't see. That's the very definition of faith. But here's the difference. When you see the future as static, something that exists, that you have to step into, that's how you can get paralyzed. The future is dynamic. Do you know where the future comes from?

• 50:35Lewis Howes?

  Past? I don't know. Your mind?

• 50:38Erwin McManus?

  The future comes from within you. You're not stepping into the future, you're creating the future. Humans have this interesting capacity. Silkworms create silk, bees create honey, beavers create dams, but humans create futures.

• 50:55Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 50:57Erwin McManus?

  Every moment of our lives, we're creating futures. Every choice we make is creating a future. If you realize, the question isn't, can you create the future? The question is, what kind of future will you create?

• 51:10Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 51:11Erwin McManus?

  When you're informed by fear, you create a cocoon that tries to protect you from the future and traps you in the past. And, which is interesting, because Solomon says, there's nothing new under the sun, which is completely wrong.

• 51:27Erwin McManus?

  It's completely right when you're trapped in your fear. There's nothing new under the sun. But when you're free, now you get to create the new. So it's interesting, in the same book, the Bible, where Solomon says, there's nothing new under the sun, is the quote in Isaiah where God says, behold, I'm doing a new thing. But will you even see it? And so I go, all of us have a choice to make. We can either live like Solomon where life is meaningless and there's nothing new under the sun. Or we can live in a relationship to the Creator of the universe, where we get to create with Him, because all things are becoming new. Which, for me, easy choice.

• 52:07Lewis Howes?

  That's beautiful, yeah. So much good stuff here, but I know you got to catch a plane here, so I want to be mindful of this. I want people to get the book, Seven Frequencies of Communication, The Hidden Language of Human Connection. And again, we're speaking about, in this book, people are going to learn about what their core frequency is.

• 52:26Erwin McManus?

  They can actually take an assessment that we spent two years developing. And they can go to our website and get a code and take the assessment. And they will give you your top three communication frequencies.

• 52:40Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 52:41Erwin McManus?

  Because I want people to see, in a sense, that triad. So they don't see themselves as a singular frequency. Now, they may not have developed and really accessed those other frequencies well, but that's what this process is for, to help them grow.

• 52:54Lewis Howes?

  Yes, and so you'll learn what your frequency is. We'll have a link up to the assessment as well in the show notes. You can learn what your frequencies are, what the shadow side is for you, and also how to overcome that and step into the more light version of your frequency. And also how to tap into the different frequencies. So you can, really, the more you can master all of them, the more you can impact people around you. Understand them and have the empathy, like you said, and be more authentic, like you said, which was needed to have a greater impact and connection with someone.

• 53:25Erwin McManus?

  Absolutely.

• 53:26Lewis Howes?

  So you'll learn that through this process, very powerful. Again, you'll find out which one you are. Motivator, challenger, commander, healer, professor, seer. And what Erwin is, the maven. Ooh, should be maverick, you know? Is it kind of similar, like a maverick or no? Is it like?

• 53:43Erwin McManus?

  No, no, it's a little different.

• 53:44Lewis Howes?

  A little different, okay, cool.

• 53:46Erwin McManus?

  Not that you're a maverick.

• 53:47Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, right, exactly. So make sure you guys get a copy of the book. Get a few for your friends as well. ErwinMcManus.com is where you can get a lot of the other stuff. And that'll be linked up to the book and everything else. If you're in LA, go to the church. It's an amazing church, Mosaic, check it out. And if you want to have more inspiration, community, connection, you can check that out on Sundays. Or you can watch the live stream also, wherever you are in the world. Where do people go to watch that live stream?

• 54:16Erwin McManus?

  I think they just go to our Mosaic app. And they can get the live stream anywhere in the world.

• 54:20Lewis Howes?

  Okay, cool. And this church is also in different locations?

• 54:23Erwin McManus?

  Yeah, and we're going to be in New York in November. We're going there once a month. And we also have a campus in London and Mexico City and then in Quito, Ecuador. So.

• 54:31Lewis Howes?

  Okay, very cool. But also the main, there's a live stream also, the main church here in LA.

• 54:38Erwin McManus?

  From Hollywood, yeah.

• 54:38Lewis Howes?

  All over the place. So, check that out. That'll be linked up as well, Mosaic.

• 54:44Lewis Howes?

  How else can we be of service to you, Erwin?

• 54:47Erwin McManus?

  Oh, wow, what a great question. Louis, you are a genuinely wonderful human being and a great friend.

• 54:54Lewis Howes?

  I appreciate it.

• 54:55Erwin McManus?

  And I'm just, I'm just so grateful to get to have this conversation. I really believe we can have a revolution of human connection and communication. When we look at all the division and vitriol language during the election and the campaigns, we realize that most of the models we have for communication are so negative.

• 55:14Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 55:15Erwin McManus?

  And that I just think the greatest thing we can do right now is help people learn how to hear each other and connect at a deep human level. So that's what you're doing here, getting the word out of the book and helping people connect here. That's the greatest thing you can do for me right now.

• 55:30Lewis Howes?

  Awesome. We had another interview we did, I think it was like a year and a half ago, maybe, where we talked about each one of these.

• 55:36Erwin McManus?

  It's when I first was designing it.

• 55:38Lewis Howes?

  And so you guys, we'll have that linked up as well. You guys can check that out. And you talk about your three truths and your definition of greatness there. So I'll have people go listen and watch there to get that answer. But I'm curious if you could go 10 years in the future. You say you're 66 now?

• 55:54Erwin McManus?

  Mm-hmm.

• 55:54Lewis Howes?

  If you can go 10 years in the future. And your 76-year-old self was sitting in front of you. And he could give you one piece of advice on what you need to do from this moment until the next 10 years. If you can see into the future what you're able to do. What is the message that your 76-year-old self would tell you?

• 56:17Erwin McManus?

  Well, the first thing that comes to my mind is this interesting phrase. We were in Malawi. We were about to go meet the presidents of the country at this young Malawan named Blessings. And he was panicking. He was really nervous. And we were going to that room with the president because my wife had been working there for almost 10 years, building schools and helping the country. And I looked at this guy and I said, you belong in the room. And he looked at me and I said, when you walk in the room, you need to remember you belong in the room.

• 56:51Erwin McManus?

  And it's a phrase I had to learn for myself. Because every time your life gets bigger, you feel like you're a complete poser. You're an imposter. And the little voice in your head says, you don't belong in this room.

• 57:04Lewis Howes?

  Interesting.

• 57:05Erwin McManus?

  And so I think my 76-year-old friend would say to me, Erwin, new rooms are opening. And every time you walk in, I just remember you belong in the room.

• 57:16Lewis Howes?

  Oh, man, that's got chills. That's beautiful.

• 57:19Lewis Howes?

  You belong. Appreciate you, right?

• 57:20Erwin McManus?

  Love you, my brother.

• 57:21Lewis Howes?

  Love you too. Thank you very much.

• 57:22Erwin McManus?

  Hey, thank you.

• 57:23Lewis Howes?

  I have a brand new book called Make Money Easy. And if you're looking to create more financial freedom in your life, you want abundance in your life, and you want to stop making money hard in your life, but you want to make it easier. You want to make it flow. You want to feel abundant. Then make sure to go to makemoneyleasybook.com right now and get yourself a copy. I really think this is going to help you transform your relationship with money this moment, moving forward. We have some big guests and content coming up. Make sure you're following and stay tuned to the next episode on the School of Greatness.

• 58:04Lewis Howes?

  I hope you enjoyed today's episode and it inspired you on your journey towards greatness. Make sure to check out the show notes in the description for a full rundown of today's episode with all the important links. And if you want weekly exclusive bonus episodes with me personally, as well as ad-free listening, then make sure to subscribe to our Greatness Plus channel exclusively on Apple Podcasts. Share this with a friend on social media and leave us a review on Apple Podcasts as well. Let me know what you enjoyed about this episode in that review. I really love hearing feedback from you and it helps us figure out how we can support and serve you moving forward. And I want to remind you, if no one has told you lately, that you are loved, you are worthy, and you matter.

• 58:48Lewis Howes?

  And now it's time to go out there and do something great.