Control Your Mind In Minutes & Attract The Future You Desire w/ Joe Dispenza EP 1413

https://lewishowes.com/mindset - Order a copy of my new book The Greatness Mindset today! Joe Dispenza is an international speaker, researcher, author, and educator who is passionate about the findings from the fields of neuroscience, epigenetics, and quantum physics to explore the science behind spontaneous remissions. He uses that knowledge to help people heal themselves of illness, chronic conditions, and even terminal diseases so they can enjoy a more fulfilled and happy life as well as evolve their consciousness. Joe is the New York Times bestselling author of You Are the Placebo: Making Your Mind Matter, which explores our ability to heal without drugs or surgery, but rather by thought alone. His most recent book, Becoming Supernatural, talks about how we can intentionally change our brain chemistry to initiate profoundly mystical, transcendental experiences and develop a more healthy body, mind, and spiritual life. Joe didn’t always work in the field of neuroscience. He started out as a chiropractor, earning his doctor of chiropractic degree from Life University in Atlanta, GA. He had a successful chiropractic practice, but one day he had a dangerous accident. In 1986, while cycling in a triathlon, Joe was hit by a truck. He broke six vertebrae in his spine, and his doctors told him he would never walk again. Joe asked four different surgeons what he should do, and all four of them prescribed a complicated surgery. The surgery would relieve some of his pain but nearly guarantee he would never walk again. But that wasn’t good enough. He refused to have the surgery and instead began to imagine himself totally healed. He visualized each vertebrae healing and reconstructed his spine in his mind. In just ten and a half weeks, Joe was back on his feet, and in twelve weeks, he was training again and back at work at his chiropractic clinic. He fully healed himself with just his mind. In this episode you will learn:How to stop being held back by your past. Why gratitude is crucial for changing your thoughts. About the scientific evidence backing up Dr. Joe’s work. How to use quantum physics to accomplish your dreams. Joe’s prediction for the future. The reason people’s dreams don’t happen. Plus much more…For more go to lewishowes.com/1413Click below to hear Joe Dispenza's previous episodes,Break Free Of The Addiction To Negative Thoughts And Emotions: EP 1309Transform Your Mind To Manifest & Attract Financial Abundance: EP 1288Transform Your Mind For Lasting Love & Magnetic Relationships (Part 1): EP 1054 Get more from Lewis! Get my New York Times Bestselling book, Make Money Easy! Get The Greatness Mindset audiobook on SpotifyText Lewis AIYouTubeInstagramWebsiteTiktokFacebookX

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• 0:02Lewis Howes?

  I firmly believe that taking charge of your mindset allows you to be in the driver's seat of your life and unlock your potential. And that's why I'm thrilled to share that my new book is out right now. It's called The Greatness Mindset. In it, you'll learn how to build a plan for greatness through powerful exercises and toolkits designed to propel your life forward. This is the book that I wish I had 20 years ago. It's everything I've learned in the last decade with the research and the science to help you unlock your mind. Make sure to go to lewishouse.com/2023mindset to pick up your copy of my book, The Greatness Mindset, today.

• 0:39Joe Dispenza?

  95% of who we are by the time we're 35 years old is a set of unconscious, automatic programs that we've just practiced so many times that we're not consciously thinking about those. So in order for you to change, to answer the initial question that you asked, the first step is you've got to become-

• 0:57Lewis Howes?

  Welcome to the School of Greatness. My name is Lewis Howes, a former pro athlete turned lifestyle entrepreneur. And each week, we bring you an inspiring person or message to help you discover how to unlock your inner greatness. Thanks for spending some time with me today. Now let the class begin.

• 1:22Lewis Howes?

  Welcome to today's special episode. Over the last 1,300-plus episodes, there have been so many impactful interviews that I've been lucky enough to have, and I always like to reflect on some of the most powerful. And this episode was one that resonated with most of you guys in the past, and I'm excited for the value it's going to bring you today as well. So I hope you enjoy today's episode.

• 1:46Lewis Howes?

  People need the information that you have, and there's a reason that you're so effective with your work, and there's so many transformations in your work. And we were just talking before about- How people are literally transformed when they read your books, when they listen to interviews like this with you, when they go through week-long workshops of some of the crazy stuff that you do. And I was asking you, you know, why is this stuff really taking off now in the last year, year and a half? Because you've been doing this work for a couple of decades now, right?

• 2:17Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah.

• 2:17Lewis Howes?

  Two decades?

• 2:18Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah, just about, yeah.

• 2:19Lewis Howes?

  Almost two decades. And you've been in tons of documentaries, movies, you've been in doing interviews for a long time, but really it's taken off in the last year. And you said, because now we have evidence of about a lot of things that you're working on. The things that you've been believing for so many years that you knew worked for you, and you saw transformation with yourself. We're not going to go into your accident because that's in the last interview. But now we have proof and evidence and science backing all this. And how did that start to happen?

• 2:48Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah. It's a, it's a great dialogue because I think this is a time in history where it's not enough to know. This is a time in history to know how. And if you rewind the tape, ten years ago, you know, information was the thing that stimulated thought, stimulated new ideas. And, and as we learn new things, we make new connections in our brains. So as we begin to add new stitches into that three-dimensional tapestry in our mind, we're beginning to cause our mind to function in new ways. But the key then is to apply it, to personalize it, to do something with it. And, and ten years ago, when I went, got in front of an audience and talked about the application, nobody wanted to step outside that philosophical, theoretical, intellectual realm, right?

• 3:31Joe Dispenza?

  Because doing something means you're gonna have to change something about yourself.

• 3:34Lewis Howes?

  Painful.

• 3:34Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah, you're gonna get uncomfortable, right? And I think we're in an age of information. And in an age of information, ignorance is a choice. And because of technology, we have access to so much content. And information creates awareness. And awareness is consciousness. And you can't have consciousness without energy. They're, they work together. So there's an energetic change, I think, that's taking place in the world right now, where people are so informed that old models, old paradigms are beginning to break down, whether it's the medical model, or the religious model, the education model, journalism, the economy, you know, politics, it's all beginning to.

• 4:15Joe Dispenza?

  Come to the surface because something else has to come out. And I think that one of the things that people are realizing is that you don't have to be a Buddhist monk to do this, or a nun with forty years of devotion. You just got to understand the formula. And just like any skill or anything you learn, you got to go from thinking to doing to being. You got to take knowledge, you create the experience, and if you keep doing it over and over again, you start getting a skill, or you start getting wise about how to do it. And you know that you know how to do it. Well, in the last ten years, we have assembled a scientific team. And let's see if you can really make significant brain changes. I don't want those changes to just be in your mind.

• 5:00Joe Dispenza?

  I want them to be in your brain. I want to be able to see before and after pictures to say, that person has a significant change after a traumatic brain injury, or anxiety, or depression, or a cyclic mood disorder, or a stroke. We want to see that there's been significant change. At the same time, let's measure your brain in real time. And let's look to see what that transformation process looks like. And in the discovery, Lewis, of that process, we gained so much knowledge about what that transformational process looks like. In other words, I can tell you without a doubt that if you're analyzing your life right now within some disturbing emotion, that one hundred percent of the time, you're going to make your brain worse.

• 5:45Joe Dispenza?

  You think about your life? If you're stuck in an emotion, like you're frustrated, you're angry, you're fearful. Resentful. Resentful, and you're thinking within that emotional state. In other words, you can't think greater than how you feel. That means then you were thinking in the past because those emotions are a record, a residue of the past. So, we see people in the process of change that are analyzing

• 6:08Joe Dispenza?

  in duality or polarity. That kind of drives the brain into higher states of arousal, and further away from true change. So... We've done thousands and thousands and thousands of brain scans and we now know that there's a formula to create greater brain coherence, greater brain efficiency, to make your brain work better. And when your brain works better, you work better. At the same time, it requires a clear intention and an elevated emotion to begin to change your energy and to change your life. And nobody changes until they change their energy, right? So then, how do you get a person out of resentment, frustration, into joy and freedom?

• 6:51Joe Dispenza?

  Why would they feel grateful or joyful or free if the experience hasn't happened? So, most people are spending the majority of their life waiting for something out there to take away their emptiness or pain or their resentment in here. Well, if they're waiting their whole life in separation or lack, and we create reality, then the lack is driving certain thoughts, which is creating more separation and more lack. So, teaching people then to begin to condition their body emotionally before the evidence takes place in their life is breaking a significant habit, right? So, instead of living by cause and effect, now we're beginning to cause and effect. So, the moment you start feeling whole and grateful, we now know your healing will begin at that moment.

• 7:36Joe Dispenza?

  The moment you start feeling worthy and abundant, your wealth is coming. You're generating a certain amount of energy, a certain amount of wealth.

• 7:44Lewis Howes?

  How does someone feel worthy, though, if they've always been told they're not worth it?

• 7:48Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah, well, so...

• 7:50Lewis Howes?

  Or that's the story they tell themselves. "I'm not worth it because she didn't say yes when I asked her on a date." "Because he broke up with me, because I got fired, because my parents left me, how am I worth it?" When there's so much evidence or story around a negative thing.

• 8:06Joe Dispenza?

  Well, let's stop telling the story of your past and let's start telling the story of your future. And people who aren't defined by a vision of the future, for the most part, are left with memories of the past. Your brain is a record of the past. It's an artifact of everything you've learned and experienced in this moment. So, most people wake up in the morning and they start thinking about their problems. And those problems are memories that are tattooed in the brain that are associated with certain people and things at certain times and places. So, the moment the person wakes up clean slate, they start thinking about the problems they're thinking in the past. If you believe your thoughts have something to do with your destiny, well... There's a possibility that your past is gonna be your future. Every one of those problems has an emotion associated with it.

• 8:50Joe Dispenza?

  So then the moment you start recalling the problem, you start feeling unhappy. Now your body's in the past because thoughts are the language of the brain and feelings are the language of the body. And how you think and how you feel creates a state of being. So people reaffirm their identity based on the past, right? And it turns out that redundancy of doing that, conditioning only requires an image and an emotion. And most people are unconsciously conditioning their body into the familiar past, into the known. So now if you're in the familiar past and in the known, you're gonna crave the predictable future.

• 9:26Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 9:26Joe Dispenza?

  Right, that's the known as well. And there's only one place where the unknown exists, and that's the eternal present moment. That's the sweet spot of the generous present moment. So you gotta labor to get that person beyond the emotions that keep them tacked or anchored to the past. And yes, it takes an effort to do that. But if you keep working with the formula, you'll reach that elegant moment where there's a liberation of energy. And now your body, as the unconscious mind, the objective mind is not believing, it's living in the same past experience 24 hours a day because you're liberating the body from that emotional state. So you ask the person, "Why are you so unhappy? Why are you so frustrated? Why are you so resentful?"

• 10:07Joe Dispenza?

  The moment you ask that, their brain is gonna associate that emotion to a past event.

• 10:12Lewis Howes?

  To a memory.

• 10:13Joe Dispenza?

  To a memory. That's because they have nothing to look forward to in their future. So if you're not being defined by a vision of the future, it just means to me that you're more in love with your past than you are with the future. So how do you teach people to believe in a future that they can't see or experience with their senses yet, but they've thought about enough times in their mind that their brain has literally changed to look like the event has already occurred? The latest research in neuroscience says that's absolutely possible. We know that. And how do you teach a person? To select a new possibility in their future and begin to emotionally embrace that future before it's made manifest to such a degree that their body, as their unconscious mind,

• 10:57Joe Dispenza?

  is believing, it's living in that future reality in the present moment and they're signaling new genes and new ways ahead of the environment. Now, so their body begins to change to look like the event has already occurred. We've proven that that's possible. Now, think about this.

• 11:12Lewis Howes?

  So the more you think about your desired future, the joy, the gratitude, the the feelings you want to have that are more positive, the more you think about it as a future thing happening, the more your body shifts now?

• 11:27Joe Dispenza?

  Exactly. So your body is believing it's living in that future reality in the present moment. Now, think about this. The stronger the emotion you feel from some condition in your life, the more altered you feel inside of you, the more you narrow your focus on the cause and the brain freezes an image and takes a snapshot. And that memory now is embossed in the brain. It's branded in there. So then, people think neurologically within the circuits of those past experiences and they feel chemically within the boundaries of those emotions. And the stronger the betrayal, the stronger the trauma, the more the body's living in the past, right? So then, so how you reverse that. So now, if you truly got passionate about a future, we've all done this. You get a wild idea in your mind and you start holding on to that vision

• 12:12Joe Dispenza?

  and you're preoccupied with it. All of a sudden, the thought in your mind becomes the experience and you start feeling the energy of the future. Now, the stronger the emotion you feel from that vision, the more you're going to pay attention to the picture in your mind and now you're remembering your future.

• 12:27Lewis Howes?

  And vice versa, the stronger you pay attention to the feeling of the past pain, you're going to create the pain in this moment.

• 12:33Joe Dispenza?

  Exactly. So then, so it requires a coherent brain and we now know that there's a formula for that and we've got beautiful research to show that people can do it. They just have to practice. And it requires a coherent heart because resentment, frustration, impatience creates a very incoherent heart. And when that heart becomes incoherent, you stop trusting yourself. There's no energy there. You stop trusting in your future. So then, if there's physical evidence in your brain and body... Physical evidence to look like the event has already occurred. It's quite possible you'll be thinking neurologically within the circuits of your future. And you'll begin to feel chemically within the boundaries of that emotion of your future. And how you think and how you feel is your state of being.

• 13:18Joe Dispenza?

  And now your state of being is living in the future instead of the past. Now, the moment you disconnect from the emotion of your future. Because of traffic, or some coworker, or your ex, or whatever people come up with. Now you're back to the energy of your past. And now you're gonna start looking for it, analyzing, why hasn't it happened? Well, if you're feeling the emotion of your future, why would you look for it? Because you would feel like it already happened. And that is the place where the magic happens. So then, you can't just do this, get up and then return back to your old state of being. You gotta maintain that modified state of mind.

• 13:55Lewis Howes?

  How do you maintain it?

• 13:56Joe Dispenza?

  That's practice. Well, let me finish.

• 13:59Lewis Howes?

  If I punch you in the face right now, how do you maintain?

• 14:02Joe Dispenza?

  Well, of course, of course. I mean, we all take blows in our lives. And, and we all react emotionally. But the question is, how long are you gonna react?

• 14:10Lewis Howes?

  Right, right.

• 14:11Joe Dispenza?

  So then, if you can't mediate and regulate your emotional reactions. And those emotions linger for days.

• 14:18Lewis Howes?

  Years for some people.

• 14:19Joe Dispenza?

  Mood, and then months, temperament, years, personality trait. So then the person's personality is literally based on the past. But they don't know that, because they're doing it over and over again. And it becomes a subconscious program. So now, if it requires a coherent brain and a coherent heart. Then we have to train people how to self-regulate. So, we've done thousands and thousands of measurements. We've partnered with the HeartMath Institute to teach people how to create and sustain heart coherence.

• 14:52Lewis Howes?

  How do we do it?

• 14:53Joe Dispenza?

  Well.

• 14:54Lewis Howes?

  Besides going to your workshop, what's the simplified version? I'm sure it takes more time than...

• 14:58Joe Dispenza?

  Well, it really doesn't. It really doesn't. It just requires getting still, closing your eyes, putting your attention on your heart, changing your breath, so that you move into the present moment. And when you slow your breathing down, you slow your brainwaves down. When you slow your brainwaves down, now you're accessing your autonomic nervous system. So then you train a person. How to open their heart and feel an elevated emotion. And it takes a little practice. And just like a flower that takes time to bloom, it takes a little bit of time. But if you work in trading the resentment, the frustration or the impatience for gratitude, appreciation and thankfulness, and you keep at it, there'll come a moment where that system switches on. And now you're feeling grateful for no reason at all.

• 15:42Joe Dispenza?

  That's not a bad thing because gratitude, the emotional signature of gratitude means something's happening to you. Something has happened to you. You're receiving something or you just received something. So your body then, when you're feeling gratitude, is in the perfect state of receiving. So then, that means then, you'll accept, believe and surrender to the thoughts equal to the emotional state of gratitude. If you're living in resentment, you're living in fear, you're living in patience, you could say, "I'm healthy, I'm healthy, I'm healthy, I'm wealthy, I'm wealthy." And with all you want, and that thought's gonna stop right at the brainstem and never make its way to the body because the body is...

• 16:21Lewis Howes?

  Does your heart stop feeling it or because why?

• 16:22Joe Dispenza?

  Because you're feeling resentment. And that thought isn't... That thought is not consistent with the emotion of resentment. Resentment has a different set of thoughts, right? In other words, once you start opening your heart, it begins to move into coherence. It begins to produce a measurable magnetic field up to three meters wide. Now that's frequency, that's energy. And all that energy, that frequency, carries information, carries an intent. So then, when you're feeling gratitude and your heart is open, you're broadcasting energy into the field.

• 17:01Lewis Howes?

  A frequency.

• 17:01Joe Dispenza?

  A frequency. You lay the intent of the thought of your health or your wealth. That frequency can carry the thought of your wealth. It can carry the thought of your health. If you're suffering, you can't... Suffering does not carry... That energy does not carry the thought of your wealth. It carries a different set of thoughts. So then, so then we're teaching people...

• 17:24Joe Dispenza?

  How to self-regulate, because if you're gonna believe in that future that you're imagining with all of your heart, it better be open and activated. Right, right. And you better know how to self-regulate. And you have to know the moment you disconnect from the energy of your future because of some circumstance in your life, and you lose that feeling. If you're practicing it on a daily basis with your eyes closed, then the next level is to be able to open your eyes and do it right in the moment and be able to self-regulate and change the frustration from some experience in your life back to the energy of your future. Now, that requires great awareness and great effort. But if you have a community of people that are practicing this on a daily basis, and they're connected to their future

• 18:08Joe Dispenza?

  because that's where their mind is, they begin to want the future more than the emotions of the past. So we've done enough measurements now, Lewis, to know that we can teach people how to do that. And we have evidence that people can sustain it for forty-five minutes to an hour. It's a skill now. They know that they know how to do it. So now they have brain coherence and heart coherence. Well, once the heart begins to become orderly and coherent, it acts as an amplifier and it drives energy to the brain. So now, the brain is getting more energy once the heart is open and then you're thinking a different set of thoughts. And those thoughts produce different chemicals for you to feel more of that. And here comes nitric oxide from oxytocin and then all of a sudden your heart literally starts to swell.

• 18:53Joe Dispenza?

  It literally begins to open up. And there's more energy going there. And now you're coming from a different level of mind. Right. So then, what about what happens to your immune system when you do that? Well, turns out, we've done an experiment. Just ten minutes a day, three times a day with a hundred and twenty people trading resentment, frustration, fear for gratitude, appreciation, and thankfulness. Measuring their immune response, the chemical immunoglobulin A, your primary defense against bacteria and viruses, the best flu shot you'll ever get lives innately within you. Turns out, when you're frustrated, when you're impatient, when you're fearful, the immune system dials down because you're in emergency. It's not, all your energy's going for some threat in your outer world.

• 19:37Joe Dispenza?

  There's no energy in your inner world for growth and repair. But how do you turn that around? So then, as people begin to open their heart, Can that chemical begin to elevate? Four days, fifty percent change in the hundred and twenty people. Their IGA levels went up fifty percent in four days. That's your body's immune system is now upregulating genes that are making proteins and immunoglobulins and antibodies that you don't need a flu shot. In other words, your inner state is greater than your outer world. So then, just by doing that, we now know that your immune system is going to get stronger by the same means.

• 20:19Joe Dispenza?

  Take a hundred and twenty people or fifty people and measure seven thousand five hundred gene regulations, okay? In four days, two genes that suppress cancer growth and tumors are activated and upregulated. The genes that stimulate stem cells to go to damaged tissues and repair them, upregulated. The gene for oxidative balance is upregulated. Anti-cancer, anti-aging, anti-heart disease, anti-stroke, anti-neurodegenerative, anti-inflammatory, antimicrobial, just your body's naturally doing this. The gene for neurogenesis, the growth of new neurons in response to novel experiences and learning, this is four days, the gene switches on.

• 21:00Joe Dispenza?

  The gene for more balance in the pituitary and the pancreas, the gene for the microtubules of the cells, the little fibers that respond to energy and frequency. So, in four days, we now know that you can change your genetic destiny if you just practice the inner work. We have research to show that sixty days of meditation, five days a week, will lengthen your life. The telomeres, the little shoestrings on the end of your DNA, get longer. That means your biological age is changing. So, we have the evidence now to show people what's possible. We have brain scans that are so outside of normal that when neuroscientists see them,

• 21:43Joe Dispenza?

  they're blown away because the amount of energy that's in the brain during this transcendental moment is hundreds of times outside of normal. I mean, you can't make your brain do that. Something is happening to you, and that person's having a transcendental moment. And we now know that we can predict it, and we now know that we can induce it. So then, there's the evidence there. Then you take... Our community and you see people with stage four cancer with Parkinson's disease, with myasthenia gravis, with lupus, with MS, with brain injuries, with rare genetic disorders, with vertigo, tinnitus, kidney failure,

• 22:24Joe Dispenza?

  all kinds of health conditions come to a week-long event and then at the end of that event, they make significant strides in getting beyond the emotions of the past. Now, think about this. The science says that the environment signals the gene, that's epigenetics. The end product of an experience in the environment is an emotion. So as long as you're living by the same emotion every single day, you're signaling the same gene in the same way. And if that gene is related to a survival emotion, a stress hormone, then you're down-regulating the gene and you're creating disease. So when the person trades that emotion and really breaks free from the chains of their past and now they're feeling an elevated emotion,

• 23:07Joe Dispenza?

  well now they're dialing down the gene for MS and they're up-regulating the gene for health and balance. And so the person, well you'll say to them, "Where's the disease?" Well, I'm not the same person. I'm not the... And the side effect of that is a transformation and healing. So the funny thing about it is the person who has the healing is not talking about the healing, whether it's blind people seeing, deaf people hearing, we have crazy evidence now. What they're talking about is how amazing they feel because they're refreshed, they've got a new lease on life. And so now we have evidence in our research

• 23:48Joe Dispenza?

  and that silences the critic to show that what's possible for people. And now we have evidence and testimony that we have evidence where people will stand on the stage and say, "Hey, I broke my back in three places. I haven't been able to stand up straight. I came into this event hunched over, I couldn't lay down. Now this guy's jumping around on the stage. He's laying on his back, he's touching his toes. You can tell, I mean, he's having his moment." We freed, we changed somebody. Someone with Parkinson's disease can't swallow, can't chew, can't blow her nose, can't stand up. One moment, one moment, the next thing you know, she's blowing her nose, chewing, swallowing. We changed her body, we changed her life, and we changed her future.

• 24:32Joe Dispenza?

  And she doesn't look like a movie star, and she doesn't look like she's a vegetarian, and she doesn't look like she's buffed. She just looks like a normal person. Now, the person in the audience who's watching that and looking at this person and seeing that they're no different than them, it just starts to cause them to think if someone else can do it, I can do it. So you see the person with the stage four cancer that got the, you know, the voodoo curse that they have three months to live. And now, they have no evidence of cancer in their body, and they're standing on the stage telling that story. And somebody in the audience is checking her out going, "I have the same condition. And if she can do it, I'm gonna step right in that footprint, and I'm gonna do it the way she did it." And all of a sudden, you start seeing this change in the community in a week-long event.

• 25:17Joe Dispenza?

  Because once there's a breakthrough, right, I mean, it's like a four-minute mile. It's in the field, you know, but it's not only in the field. You're seeing evidence in three-dimensional reality, and evidence is the loudest voice right now. And so, people don't wanna see talking heads. Anybody can see it on the internet, information is readily available. What they wanna see is evidence. And so, when you have evidence in the scientific realm, and then you have evidence in a, in a, in a, in a community of people, and you're not doing anything that's so extreme that, that, that excludes anybody. It's inclusive, and we're using science as the contemporary language of mysticism. It is science that's gonna demystify the mystical.

• 26:00Joe Dispenza?

  If I talk tradition, culture, religion, any of those things, spiritual principles, people are gonna shut off. You're gonna divide an audience. But science creates community. So, so by building a scientific model, I don't subscribe to any type of meditation. Because I, I look at the evidence of what we've gathered in, let's see, by applying this formula, to what extent can we prove to human beings how powerful they really are? And I think that that has become something that... Has mystified me because when I see blind people seeing in our workshops, I have to tell you that I'm more surprised than anybody. I'm standing up there shaking my head and

• 26:44Joe Dispenza?

  and we have, we have great evidence. This, you know, one woman was, she's a nurse and one day she just wakes up and she's got a blind spot in her eye. She can't see in the lower left hand quadrant of of both eyes, six o'clock to nine o'clock. Wow. She goes, she's a nurse, she goes to see her colleagues, they do a scan, stroke on the optic nerve. Wow. And now she's legally blind. She can't drive her car, she runs her own company, she can't run her company, she can't type, she can't use the computer. She's compromised in a big way. Now with a stroke, you have two weeks really, that's the window. And if

• 27:28Joe Dispenza?

  nerve cells are gonna come back online, it's going to be those first two weeks. If they don't come back, the prognosis is live with it. Whether you have paralysis or whatever, if a stroke causes brain damage in usually two to three weeks, you don't see many, much change. So they gave her the, you know, the prognosis, you have to learn to accommodate and live with it. And so she, she, she wasn't satisfied with that answer and she goes to one of her dear friends who's a physician and the physician says, go check out the Spence guy. And she says, why don't you come with me? So they come to our event in Brighton in the UK. Was this within the three weeks or was this later? Do you know? Oh, no, this is a year later. Wow. This is a year later. And

• 28:12Joe Dispenza?

  So it's supposed to be irreversible at that point? And so she comes to the event and then she comes to the event for two reasons. Listen to this, to learn how to live with her handicap. That's the extent of what's possible. And have her peace and Yeah. And, and then create a nonprofit to help people. Those were her two things. So somewhere in the middle of the event where, where she, it occurs to her.

• 28:39Joe Dispenza?

  That she could actually possibly heal her eyes. So she goes for it. She lays down after one of the meditations we laid down at the end. And all of a sudden, like, in her head, she starts feeling this heat and this crackling sensation. Now, you have one of two options when something like this happens.

• 28:55Lewis Howes?

  You get scared and run away.

• 28:57Joe Dispenza?

  You get scared, it's the unknown, you contract, your brain goes into high beta and you disconnect.

• 29:01Lewis Howes?

  Something's wrong, hurting something.

• 29:03Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah, I'm having another stroke, whatever. Or you surrender and relax into it.

• 29:06Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, you go in.

• 29:07Joe Dispenza?

  And she let go and she had the most incredible experience. She laid there for the longest time, opened her eyes and she said it was like the lights came back on. She said, "I could see completely." We sent her for a scan. The Monday morning after that week-long event, the scan that had the left lower quadrant on both eyes from six o'clock to nine o'clock was black. The post-scan, there isn't one black spot anywhere on her eyes.

• 29:36Lewis Howes?

  So she'd already done a scan a year prior?

• 29:38Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, she had the scan. So we'll give you the evidence. But that is not natural. That's not normal. But how do you explain that in conventional science? I mean, the truth is, is that we have incredibly powerful innate qualities for regeneration and healing, once you hit that button. So then, she stands in the audience and gives her testimony. Other people are going to begin to realize that they can heal from a stroke. And that's exactly what's happening. A collective consciousness is happening.

• 30:12Lewis Howes?

  What is the moment of transformation for someone like that? Like, when does someone? Because I know that healing can happen in an instant. So what's the thing that triggers that instant for someone to go from disbelief to belief? And it actually transforming them in the physical body?

• 30:30Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah, we've studied this and there's no linear correlation. Because, think about this. That woman is a pragmatist. She knew nothing, she wasn't spiritual in any way. She just read my books and then started practicing the meditations. Now, she was practicing those meditations for months before the event because she wanted to come and be fully prepared for it, right? So... From the, from the outside, you see this one, one moment.

• 31:02Lewis Howes?

  Yep.

• 31:02Joe Dispenza?

  But what you don't see is the number of times she worked in overcoming herself and getting beyond whoever she is and getting into that place where she's far enough outside familiar territory, neurologically, chemically, genetically, that all of a sudden she connects to this. She connects. There's a, she starts connecting to that invisible field called the quantum field and, and you can't connect as your body. There's nothing, there's nothing physical to connect to there. You have to get beyond all your associations.

• 31:37Lewis Howes?

  You know, it's interesting. I think I might have talked to you about this last time. I grew up in a religion called Christian Science that talked a lot about this. You know, I, it was embedded in my mind that I'm a spiritual being and that I can never be physically hurt. Like, I'm not a material body that, there are no accidents, that there's no injury. And it was always embedded in my mind that I can never be physically harmed, or I can be instantly healed. And so my entire childhood, I had all these incredible healings, quickly. And I witnessed it all the time from other people and everyone was always like, how is this possible?

• 32:13Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah.

• 32:13Lewis Howes?

  So I don't know if this is something I was practicing, you know,

• 32:16Joe Dispenza?

  Right, right.

• 32:17Lewis Howes?

  in a different, in a different way as a child, but it's, it's always fun for me to come back around now. Even though I don't practice that, that religion necessarily anymore or go to the church, I still believe the same fundamental principles that I hear you talking about in a more scientific way.

• 32:32Joe Dispenza?

  It's a good belief to have.

• 32:33Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 32:33Joe Dispenza?

  And, and you, you program children like, you program your children that the body has an innate capacity to heal.

• 32:40Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 32:41Joe Dispenza?

  And, and all of a sudden, you're less reliant on something outside of you to make something go away inside of you.

• 32:48Lewis Howes?

  Medicine or something else.

• 32:49Joe Dispenza?

  Whatever it is, shopping, video game, everybody's relying on their outer world. Relationship. Relationship to change their inner state. Problem is, is the moment you start feeling emptiness or lack, your brain is gonna start to look for something outside of you to take it away. The problem.

• 33:04Lewis Howes?

  To fill the hole, yeah.

• 33:04Joe Dispenza?

  Right. The problem is, is that. Normally, the stimulation that's created from those outer things give the body a rush. And so the receptor sites in the cells recalibrate. So you need more the next time to turn it on, right?

• 33:16Lewis Howes?

  It's tough. You buy the new fancy car and it's fun for a month.

• 33:19Joe Dispenza?

  The novelty wears off, right?

• 33:20Lewis Howes?

  And then it's a week, and then it's a day. You're like, it's never enough.

• 33:23Joe Dispenza?

  And that feeling never goes away. And so the only way that feeling is actually gonna go away is when you start going inward, right? And so we've seen significant changes with people. And having that belief, it should be tested. We should test our belief around that. And my lesson through all of this is that I'm starting to realize how conditioned we are into believing how limited we are. And as you start peeling those layers away and you break through those beliefs, those self-limiting thoughts and emotions, on the other side of that is where the miraculous happens. So you gotta be willing to be in that place of discomfort long enough to reorganize order

• 34:07Joe Dispenza?

  and begin to create more coherence. And then all of a sudden, you get this recalibration that goes on in the brain and body. And then the extent of that is that the ultimate thing is you start to see feedback in your life, those synchronicities, those coincidences, those opportunities. You're scratching your head going...

• 34:22Lewis Howes?

  Everything is falling into place.

• 34:24Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah, I'm in the right place at the right time.

• 34:25Lewis Howes?

  Everything I think about just comes to me.

• 34:27Joe Dispenza?

  Because your energy is synchronized. It's... Look, I mean, when you have coherence in the brain and heart, you have a laser of energy and it could read information much better. You're living in stress and your brain is shifting its attention from one person to another problem, to another thing, to another place to go. Each one of those things, there's an assignment of neurological networks in the brain. So the arousal of the stress hormones drives the brain into this high frequency and you're trying to control and predict everything in your life. And those... Your brain circuits are firing like a lightning storm in the clouds. When your brain's incoherent, you're incoherent. And you can't... You don't have a signal. You don't have a Wi-Fi signal, not connected to the field.

• 35:08Joe Dispenza?

  How could you connect to energy and information if your signal hasn't become orderly? So that when people synchronize their energy into coherence, they can synchronize to a possibility in the future. And the synchronicities that are feedback from the environment are just a reflection of your energy. And that's the universe saying... Follow the breadcrumbs. Do it again. Follow it again. Do it again. And now all of a sudden, the person's not waking up in the morning like, oh, I gotta meditate now to create my future. They're kinda going like, I'm getting out of bed because I don't want the magic to end. Right? They wanna, they wanna sustain that state so that

• 35:49Joe Dispenza?

  the old reality that they've lived in begins to transform into something new. And because there's no longer a vibrational match with everyone and everything in their past, present reality, there's a vibrational match to their future. And now their future is starting to give them signals.

• 36:05Lewis Howes?

  Do our, what's more powerful than our thoughts or our emotions? And do our emotions change our thoughts? Or do our thoughts change our emotions?

• 36:14Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah, the answer is yes. The answer is both. I mean, thoughts, to me, produce an electrical charge in the quantum field. And feelings produce a magnetic charge in the quantum field.

• 36:28Lewis Howes?

  Thoughts, wait, thoughts produce a what?

• 36:30Joe Dispenza?

  An electrical charge.

• 36:31Lewis Howes?

  Okay.

• 36:31Joe Dispenza?

  And feelings produce a magnetic charge. And how you think and how you feel broadcasts an electromagnetic signature that influences every single atom in your life. The thought sends the signal out, now think about this, and the feeling draws the event back. So you could have the intent that you want wealth, you want health, you want success. That's your intent, that's your thought. But if you're waiting for the experience to happen, to feel it, then you're not drawing the experience to you because you're not feeling the emotion. Right? So then, teaching people once again how to balance their thoughts and feelings, because you can, you can enter that cycle either place. Sometimes we do a meditation,

• 37:16Joe Dispenza?

  we start opening our heart, we start elevating the body's energy, and then those emotions can drive certain thoughts of your future. Other times, you open your awareness, you create brain coherence, you have the vision of your future, you begin to emotionally experience it. However you wanna jump on that cycle, and then sustain it. Because the longer you're conscious of that energy, the more you're drawing your future to you. So then, most people spend their lives, right? We live in this realm called spacetime, three dimensional reality. And you move your body through space in three dimensional reality, it takes time.

• 37:52Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 37:52Joe Dispenza?

  So everything, all your goals, all your dreams, all your visions, you're gonna have to get your body up and drag it through space every day to pay off that, you know, that home that's in your future, right?

• 38:02Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 38:03Joe Dispenza?

  When you create from the field instead of from matter, when you use a vibrational match between your energy and some potential, and your thoughts and feelings are coherent, now, you are going to begin to collapse time and space, or the experience is gonna be drawn to you. Now, now you're the vortex to your destiny, and now, you don't have to go anywhere to get it, because you're not playing by the rules of three dimensional reality. You're playing by the rules of energy and the quantum. So teaching people how to do this and getting better at it, then all of a sudden, they're not forcing and controlling outcomes. In fact, they're trusting and surrendering to outcomes, because they don't wanna get in the way. Because the moment you start trying to predict when it's gonna happen,

• 38:47Joe Dispenza?

  or how it's gonna happen, you're overlaying a known over a place where there should be an unknown. Right? So teaching people how to do that means we have to lay down the very thing we used our whole life to get what we want for something greater to occur, right? And so that transcendental moment is something that we're working on demystifying. And, and you could be a gluten-free person, you could be a gluten-full person. You could drink wine, not drink wine. You could be rich, you could be poor, you could be any color, any shape, any size. In fact, you can't tell me you're too old to do this work. You can't tell me that. We got elders in this work that, we, we show you their brain scans, and you'd be blown away. They, they, they know how to do it.

• 39:31Joe Dispenza?

  You can't tell me you're too sick to do this work. We got people that have reversed stage four cancer numerous times. And, and yeah, it took a Herculean effort to do it, but they love themselves for it. You can't tell me that you're too out of shape, or too overweight, or too underweight. You can't, I've seen it all, shapes and sizes. You can't even tell me that you had a brutal past. I've had people that have had very, very dismal pasts that are free. They're happy people. You can't even tell me you're, you never meditated before. In fact, our research shows that many people have never meditated before, have the most profound experiences, because they're not trying to make anything happen.

• 40:04Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 40:04Joe Dispenza?

  They're just following the instructions, right? And, and they don't have a habit of doing it. So, so... We don't want to exclude anybody in the process. We want to include everybody. So it turns out that our events tend to draw a good portion of men because of the science. We have a lot of children now, you know, teenagers that are coming, people in their twenties. We have a great community of elders. We have, you know, in our events, sometimes sixty-three different cultures.

• 40:35Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 40:36Joe Dispenza?

  Coming to, countries coming to our events, between fifty and, you know, sixty-five. So, so we want to, we want to make it so inclusive that community becomes the side effect. Because, because with a community of like-minded, like, like, similar energy of people, everybody understands, they get one another. You know, you, you, communities tends to be the thing now that, in terms of our social media and the feedback we're getting, everybody wants more community. Because you get a, you get a thousand people in the audience and their energy's synchronized. Now, you're taking us something so much bigger. We're just going to measure this. I just talked to a researcher yesterday.

• 41:19Joe Dispenza?

  We're going to measure a thousand people when they reach that synchronized moment when they're, we can, we know that the entire social coherence in the room is orderly. Then if you're producing an ambient coherent magnetic field in your heart and you're tuning into a thought or an intent, and you got a thousand people doing that, and your energy's going to start interfering and commingling with the person that's next to you. When that energy starts to synchronize, it's going to produce a bigger wave. The higher the amplitude, the higher the wave, the more energy there is. So now you have one mind and one heart. And now when it comes to healing others, and we've done the research on this now, and we're collecting the data, that we're teaching people how to administer a change in energy

• 42:04Joe Dispenza?

  in a person that's laying there. Because it's not matter that emits a field, that's the wrong way to think about it. It's the field that creates matter. You change the field, you change matter. You're not, it's not your job to change the tumor. The tumor is the illusion. It's the pattern in the field that's, that, that has to be changed. So, once people start reversing this, then you start seeing tumors disappearing. You start seeing blind people seeing, deaf people hearing. You start seeing people with Parkinson's disease switch on. I mean, you start seeing... Stage four cancer is reversing because now you're swimming upstream. You're going to the headwaters and making that change.

• 42:44Joe Dispenza?

  So pushing the envelope and then seeing that in a community when a community synchronized towards the second half of a week-long event. I mean, as I said before we started the show, I'm more surprised than anybody when we witness some of these things. It's crazy.

• 43:01Lewis Howes?

  What is the... We talked about, I heard you say consciousness a couple of times. What's the difference between mindset and consciousness?

• 43:08Joe Dispenza?

  To me, consciousness is awareness. Awareness is paying attention and noticing. And so 95% of who we are by the time we're 35 years old is a set of unconscious, automatic programs that we've just practiced so many times that we're not consciously thinking about those. So in order for you to change, to answer the initial question that you asked, the first step is you've got to become conscious of your unconscious thoughts. And you've got to start looking at those hardwired thoughts that you think every day that are just circuits that have been fired and wired together.

• 43:42Lewis Howes?

  How do we do that? Should we write a list at the end of the day of what are the most common thoughts we had that day? Like, how does someone become aware of their thoughts?

• 43:48Joe Dispenza?

  You don't have to do that. You just have to sit down, close your eyes, and not move. And then you'll start seeing.

• 43:53Lewis Howes?

  What am I thinking about right now?

• 43:54Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah, and all you want to do is observe the thought. Because when you begin to observe that thought, you're no longer the program now. You're the consciousness observing the program and you're starting to pull out of the program.

• 44:09Lewis Howes?

  Thinking about the thinking.

• 44:10Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah. Who's doing the thinking of the thinking about the thinking? That's who you are when you're not the program. That's awareness, right? You've got to become aware of how you speak, how you act, become so conscious, so aware of it, that you won't go unconscious and let that thought or that behavior run you. You've got to say, "Oh, my God." This feeling that I've been living by for the last twenty years is actually guilt. I didn't know it was guilt because it just feels like me. And all of a sudden, as you start becoming conscious of it, you're beginning to objectify your subjective self. You're pulling out of those programs. And nobody likes to do that because it's uncomfortable. They'd rather turn on their cell phone, start texting, get on the internet, you know, watch TV to distract them from that moment.

• 44:54Joe Dispenza?

  And that is what they have to move through in order to get to their own personal freedom. So the first step is becoming conscious. And meditation means to become familiar with, to become conscious of, to become so conscious of your unconscious self that you won't go unconscious to any thought, any behavior or emotion. And get ready because it takes a tremendous amount of energy to do that and awareness to stay conscious. And so we fall from grace. Fine, you're awake, you've got another day, let's go again. How often do you fall? Oh my gosh, I mean, how many times have I done it? Thousands, but I'm not going to give up

• 45:36Joe Dispenza?

  because the moments in which I do connect or the moments that I do have that transcendental experience, what matters the most after it, when I have that transcendental moment, I look back at all of those difficult meditations, those difficult days. And those are the ones you remember. You don't remember the good meditations. You remember the ones where you came up against yourself and you want to go further. And you said, "I'm going to go a little further, I'm going to go a little further." Or you had a rough day and you just went in and you just, at the end of the day, you surrender and you have the classic, "Oh my God" moment. There's no linear correlation. It's just whether you're willing to live in creation instead of living in survival. And so you get better at it. You know, we just get better at it.

• 46:20Joe Dispenza?

  And for me, staying conscious and staying aware and staying present is an art because you know when someone's present with you in your life because they're paying attention to you. You know when they're not present with you because they're not paying attention to you. So imagine this field of information, this intelligence that lives within you and I that's governing everything material in this world. It's a self-organizing intelligence. You have access to it, so you better get present with it. As well as you can get present with anything else. And just because you can't see it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

• 46:56Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 46:56Joe Dispenza?

  That realm you can't experience with your senses. You can only experience with your awareness. So then, people have to take their attention off their bodies. And go from a somebody to a nobody. Take their attention off the people in their life and go from, that they identify with. And go from a someone to a no one. Take their attention off the things in their life. Their cellphone, their computer, their car. And go from something to nothing. Take their attention off where they sleep, where they work, where they're sitting. And go from somewhere to nowhere. Take their attention off the predictable future and the familiar past and time. And go from sometime to no time. And now if you're taking all of your attention off of everything material in this three dimensional reality. Now there's only one other thing that's left. And that means you're in awareness, your consciousness.

• 47:40Joe Dispenza?

  And now, that is the bridge. That is the door to the quantum field. And you can't enter the quantum field as a somebody. So, if someone has spent their whole life working on having the perfect body. Or so much so, they have so much attention on their pain. Where you place your attention is where you place your energy. It's going to take some work for them to take all of their attention off their body. Right? Because they'll go, they'll do it and then they'll go back, let's see if the pain's still there. Oh, the pain's still there. So, it's a little bit of a waltz in the beginning. But as people start applying this, you start getting better at it. As an example, we had Bond University, University in Australia, on the Gold Coast. Senior researcher took the large majority of my brain scans.

• 48:24Joe Dispenza?

  And they hadn't, she had them analyzed by her graduate students. And they statistically looked at everything. One of the most startling things for the research team was our community's ability to get to that point where they're nobody, no one, no thing, nowhere, no time. And I'm talking four seconds. I'm talking five seconds. I'm talking nine seconds. Just like, just give me a second, I know how to do this. They've practiced it enough times. That the creative moment is when you get beyond yourself. When you dissociate from everything known in your material world. Turns out, when you do that and you start changing your brainwaves. Your brainwaves slow down into Alpha and Theta. You're suppressing the memory bank of the known self that keeps you plugged into three-dimensional reality.

• 49:09Joe Dispenza?

  When you quiet down this mechanism, now, all of a sudden, you start connecting to that field. And when you can stay conscious in those subconscious realms, when you can literally regulate and change brainwaves, now you're in the operating system, where you can make those significant changes. So, we now know that when people apply the formula, and they do that properly, now they're walking through that door where they're ready to create from. In other words, you can't create from the known. You can't create with your body. That's matter trying to change matter. And you can do it, it's just gonna take a long time. But when you create from the field instead of from matter, there's a whole different set of dynamics that takes place. And why not push that envelope? To see, okay, if we've done this,

• 49:54Joe Dispenza?

  we've done this, is it possible to do this? As an example, we do these wonderful healing circles where you see these dramatic instantaneous changes. So, the person who's healed themselves of some health condition, when it comes time to heal somebody else, they're gonna say, "Well, now I understand the science. I understand how this all works. I know how to get beyond myself. I know how to open my heart." They start piecing it all together. "Let's take the formula to the next level." Now, they witness a significant change in a person's body in real time, right there. So then the next question is, "Okay, like this happened many times." As an example, the woman who was at the event in Mallorca, Spain, her brother had a massive stroke

• 50:37Joe Dispenza?

  in Colombia, and she went back to Colombia, and he was in a coma for two weeks. She called up the healing circle and said, "Hey, can we do a healing on my brother?" Now, if you're playing by the rules of Newtonian physics, three-dimensional reality, you're gonna say, "Well, you need to be in front of the guy in order to heal him." But if you understand that there's no separation in the quantum, that everything's connected when you're in that place, so wouldn't that be the next application of the formula? So, they go over the science, they get it. "Okay, we just need a picture of him, and that's our coordinate." And if we're in the field... Sending a frequency to that coordinate. Yeah, but you're not sending it anywhere because there's nowhere to send. There's no space and time there. Connecting to it. You're connecting to it, exactly. That's a great, great way to say it.

• 51:24Joe Dispenza?

  In one hour after that coherence healing, he comes back to consciousness. Wow. Now, that's the extension of where we're going. You see, now, now, now we're progressing. A woman who was in one coherence healing group is a pediatric nurse in Children's Hospital in Seattle. And again, witnessed amazing miracle after our event in Toronto. She comes back and there's a little, they call them friends, there's a little guy failing. Doctors hit him with the paddles, they use all the, all the drugs to bring him back, and they walk out of the room. And they say, "We, we lost him." She walks over, puts her hands right in the field, and this kid comes right back online. Doctors are like, "What was that?"

• 52:09Joe Dispenza?

  And now, so we have, the, a lot of our interest now is, "I want to get 50%." One out of two people, we're collecting the data in this coherence healings. When we're 50%, we're going to walk into a children's hospital. We have three children's hospitals right now that are interested in us. We'll show them the data, we'll show them the results. We'll say, "We don't want any money, we'll never even touch the kids. All we want to do is just change their lives." And when we're 50%, we're going to start doing it in children's hospitals. And we're gathering the data right now. That's pretty cool. Yeah, well, what else, what else would we want to do with it, right? Exactly, it's amazing. Do you have kids? I do. You have kids, how old are your kids? My kids are in their twenties, yeah. Okay. Yeah, they're all older and underway. What do they think about this work? Well, my oldest son, well, first of all,

• 52:54Joe Dispenza?

  my kids have grown up with this work. Yes. So, you have to imagine like, my oldest son coming back to one of my advanced workshops three years ago, and my friend saying, "Hey, is this your first advanced workshop?" And he kind of glances over at him and says, "I've been in the advanced workshop for 25 years, what are you talking about?" So, my oldest son is one of my team leaders. He's got a master's in engineering, he lives in Denver, in Boulder, Colorado. And he's passionate about the work. He met his fiance at one of my workshops. And they're very, very similar. My daughter lives in London. She's got her masters in art at the Royal College of Art. And she's probably the best creator I have ever met in my life.

• 53:39Joe Dispenza?

  I mean, she's just wired. She knows how to do it. And my youngest son is, goes, is getting his degree in architecture at Cal Poly. And they're all at different stations in their understanding, but they understand the principles. And I've always said to them, you know, if you can figure this out early on, the rest of your life is gonna be magic, right? Because you know what to do. And they're pretty wired for it now. And I've really worked in setting up conditions in their lives so that they can apply these principles from an early age.

• 54:20Joe Dispenza?

  And now that they're older, I think that they understand how to do it.

• 54:25Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. I feel like a lot of people are unhappy in relationships.

• 54:29Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah. Here's my theory.

• 54:30Lewis Howes?

  They're like, a lot of them are failing. I don't want to put that as a general thing. There's a lot of happy relationships as well. But for people that are mission-driven, how much more challenging is it to have a thriving relationship when you put your life into a mission?

• 54:45Joe Dispenza?

  Oh, here's the, here's the deal. I will never work in a relationship. I just won't. If I'm working in a relationship, something's wrong. I'll work on me. And I'll bring my best. You bring your best. And we get together and we celebrate.

• 55:01Lewis Howes?

  And it should work.

• 55:01Joe Dispenza?

  It should work. And if it doesn't, then I'm gonna step back and see, what is it about me? Not you, what is it about me that I need to really look at and change? Now, if there's a vibrational match, and it flows, and it's fun, and you connect on physically, mentally, mind, body, soul, you know, that's cool. I think that's healthy. But a mission-driven person can't be in a relationship where you have to keep going back and trying to fix something. I just, I just won't do that. I just think that when it's right, it's right. And I'll know.

• 55:38Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 55:39Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah. So I think that, I do think that... Relationships can be easy. And I do think, and I think that they should be. And I, and I think that if you're heart-centered, that's a different place you meet than, than other emotions. And, and again, every time I have a mystical moment, and I feel that transcendental love that I don't even know the word for. Every time I have one of those moments, I think, I got this all wrong. It's just that it's, it is not chemical, it's electric.

• 56:15Lewis Howes?

  You got what all wrong?

• 56:17Joe Dispenza?

  Well, the way we view the world. The way we, I mean, we don't see things how they are, we see things how we are. You know, and every inner experience that's transcendental experience enriches circuitry in your brain. Experience produces emotion or energy in the body. So you start having transcendental moments where you start connecting to that field. Its signature is love. I mean, but not love like a love for your puppy. This is like, this is like an arousal. This is, I don't know the other word, but bliss.

• 56:44Lewis Howes?

  Spiritual arousal.

• 56:45Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah, and we have, we have the evidence. We can say, oh, watch this, watch this person's brain. Scientists are studying our work. I'll say, oh, watch, she's gonna pop in a few minutes. What do you mean? Just watch, she's gonna pop. And all of a sudden, this person goes into an arousal. The sympathetic nervous system is so switched on, but the arousal isn't like an arousal that from the environment that produces anger, aggression, or fear, anxiety, or pain, or suffering. That's survival in the environment that produces the arousal. This arousal is coming from energy in the body that's moving up into the brain. And the arousal is bliss. The arousal is ecstasy. The arousal is.

• 57:25Lewis Howes?

  Freedom, peace.

• 57:27Joe Dispenza?

  But it's, it's, it's not chemical. It's, it's, you'll feel it in every single cell in your body. Now, here's the outcome of that. The outcome of that is that when you open your eyes, and some conditioning, some layer has been removed, your spectrum of the way the world looks broadens now because now you're wired to perceive what's always existed, but you didn't have the circuits in place to perceive them. So then, it's the inner experience that literally transforms our experience of the outer world. And so, when you start having moments where you hit that kind of frequency, or you have those moments of love.

• 58:09Joe Dispenza?

  You're less dependent on anyone to bring you happiness. You're okay. You can love the person for their flaws. Because you can see a part of yourself you used to be that you no longer are. Instead of judgment, you have compassion. And you can encourage and communicate from a level of connection. Instead of intimidation, or competition, or however relationships work. So, I do think that it's energy and vibration. And I think that in our community, at least, people who have relationships that are built from our community, tend to be more long-lasting because they're more self-aware. And so there's no blame, there's no excuses, there's no make-wrong, there's no competition, there's none of that.

• 58:54Joe Dispenza?

  There's just, this is who I am, you know? And I think that the ultimate goal is, when you reach the point in your life when how you appear to the world is who you really are, that level of transparency is, it takes no effort. You can be yourself. And, you know, people say to me, wow, you're pretty approachable. And I say, well, God, I work so hard every day on overcoming myself in the morning, overcoming my ego. Why would I want to build it up the next day? Because I gotta face that guy again tomorrow morning. So why not just keep, you know, taking those edges and smoothing them down so that you're less unconscious to all of those programs that are built in relationships?

• 59:37Lewis Howes?

  What do you think's gonna be your biggest challenge over the next decade?

• 59:40Joe Dispenza?

  Wow.

• 59:41Lewis Howes?

  As we get into 2020, into 2030, what'll be your biggest personal challenge in the next 10 years?

• 59:49Joe Dispenza?

  We are like a living organism. I mean, the company is just, our community is growing so large. I think our biggest challenge right now is finding venues and the logistics to be able to go to the next level of being able to do it on a larger scale without losing the efficacy, but without...

• 1:00:11Lewis Howes?

  The intimacy, the connection.

• 1:00:12Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah, I mean, we've done really great, Lewis, as a culture in responding to the world's needs and... And I mean, we we hit challenges all the time, you know, and and I was just telling my staff in a in a meeting. Look, we just can't keep doing things the same way. You can't ever do that again. It's just, it's not a time that doing things the same way isn't work. So you gotta be able to grow. You gotta be able to learn. You gotta be able to stay contemporary with all the new technology and everything else. And you gotta keep bringing on a bigger team. I mean, I am nothing. I am nothing without my team, honestly. I mean, between my staff and my team leaders and and our volunteers and the way we do things.

• 1:00:56Joe Dispenza?

  It's a, it's a, it's a, it's a living organism. Everybody, everybody counts. And and for me, when I have a group of people where everybody leads. You know, you see those school of fish or the flock of birds all moving together. You study that phenomenon. You think that there's some leader that everybody's following. Turns out, there is no leader. Everybody's leading. It's a bottom-up phenomenon. So you get a, you get a really greased team that really is heart-centered, that really is, has the intent for the greatest good. And it's not about them. It's about how they co-lead. And I think that that that helps me do one thing really well. And that is to focus on the people and the audience instead of everything else.

• 1:01:38Joe Dispenza?

  So we've been growing, I think, for the last fifteen years or more. And I think just our biggest challenge is to be able to handle that growth. I mean, we get, I was just talking to my team. They were, we get over seven, eight thousand emails a month, I mean. With people with a lot of health conditions, a lot of questions.

• 1:02:00Lewis Howes?

  They want support.

• 1:02:01Joe Dispenza?

  They want support. And so we're building infrastructure. You know, we're building online ways to get people engaged. And and to be able to, for me, to provide resources for people. Yeah, so we're, I think the biggest challenge would just, if I could, you know, I'm gonna stay healthy. But aside from staying healthy, is is just being able to handle the the growth.

• 1:02:24Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. How old are you now?

• 1:02:25Joe Dispenza?

  Fifty-seven. My body, my body's fifty-seven.

• 1:02:28Lewis Howes?

  Your body, your mind is what? Like a twelve-year-old child?

• 1:02:32Joe Dispenza?

  Uh, I don't know. I don't know.

• 1:02:35Lewis Howes?

  It's a hundred and twelve at the same time.

• 1:02:36Joe Dispenza?

  Who knows, right?

• 1:02:38Lewis Howes?

  Fifty-seven, man. I hope I look like that at fifty-seven.

• 1:02:43Lewis Howes?

  What do you think the world humanities challenge will be over the next decade as we enter 2020?

• 1:02:48Joe Dispenza?

  Back to the principle, Louis, of just different paradigms beginning to collapse. You know, economically, politically, socially, environmentally, religiously, education, journalism, you know, medicine. They have to move into chaos. And chaos is just unpredictable.

• 1:03:10Lewis Howes?

  Because they're not working.

• 1:03:11Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah, exactly. But now here's the challenge for humanity. You have one of two ways to embrace the breakdown of those paradigms. You can face them with anger and hostility and fear, and you are only contributing to more of it. We have to see that those breakdowns are essential for something greater to happen. Now, we can't wait for governments to take care of us. We can't wait for medicine to give us a drug that's going to heal us from a condition. The truth is, with a greater level of consciousness, the change in awareness because of information,

• 1:03:56Joe Dispenza?

  the greatest challenge we have as those paradigms break down is to no longer emotionally react in the same way and be victims. You can't say, "This president, this person, this whatever, is actually making me feel this way and think this way." Basically, you're in a program that something outside of you is controlling you, how you feel and how you think. So then to self-regulate then is to say, "How I think and feel is going to change my outer environment." So then, we're all faced with great opportunities brilliantly disguised as impossible situations. And we are at that point, at that nexus point in our evolution as a species. So then, you don't try to fix that. That's never going to work. What you do is you create something better.

• 1:04:41Joe Dispenza?

  And then everybody just naturally just leaves that and goes here. Now, it used to be, some people would just come here and the majority would stay here because they're clinging to what they've been programmed or believing. But now... Because of information, everybody's like, "That's not gonna work. I already know it's not gonna work, and I don't care what anybody says. This is working for me." So, people are moving to new, um, to new applications, to new paradigms, because it's working for them. So, as long as we don't emotionally react to the breakdown that's happening currently in the world, and chaos is just unpredictable order, you know, as, as, as things move towards disorder,

• 1:05:24Joe Dispenza?

  the novelty that's being created is literally chaos. Because the known, and everything staying the same, is order. But as you step out into that unknown, it's, then, you're having, the chaos is unpredictable order being expressed through novelty. And we have to be able to learn how to take that disorder, and with the application of brain and heart coherence, create more order. So you can't just say, "Hey, I'm standing up for peace," and you know, and being miserable with your coworker. You, you, you don't get to talk about peace. And so there's, you, you're the, you're the living prayer of peace. Not just, we know, we know crime rates go down,

• 1:06:09Joe Dispenza?

  and violence goes down when there's peace projects in communities where there's meditation on peace. But when those peace gathering projects end, you know, you see that crime and violence and everything returns back to the same level, so it's not enough to just think it. We gotta demonstrate it. So if I'm demonstrating peace, and you're demonstrating peace, somebody else, because of mirror neurons, is gonna go, "Wow, that person's unpredictable. Wow, they're different. It's given me permission to do the same." So I think that ultimately moving into that state of being, you know, as, as human beings, and, and, and creating unity, that, you know, you keep watching so many programs on television that talk you into prejudice, that talk you into separation,

• 1:06:53Joe Dispenza?

  that talk you into fear, that talk you into violence, that talk you into war, deceit, negativity. Um, you're, you're not gonna trust anybody. In fact, you're going to see difference between you and me, or anybody, because that's what separation does. But when your heart's centered, and you feel connected, you don't see the person any longer, right? You see something transcendent in them. You see an essence, right? And I think if you do that really well... That kind of emergence of a new consciousness, that's less dependent on all of those outer things, is really difficult to control. And if you want to control a community, control their emotions and control them in survival. When you overcome your emotions,

• 1:07:38Joe Dispenza?

  you can see the hidden meaning behind all things. And when everybody's looking this way, you may be looking that way because you understand, look, you've just overcome your fear. You've just overcome your hostility and anger. You've overcome the program of whatever it is. I swear to you, you're going to be able to connect people. And that, that then, is the hope of the future. That's why I'm hopeful of the future. Because I think that all of this that's happening in a world right now where more things are happening in a shorter amount of time. I mean, if you're alive in this world and you haven't been experiencing the quickening. I mean, I said to someone the other day, the day where you end your day and feel complete because you finished all your work, you'll never have that.

• 1:08:22Joe Dispenza?

  There's always more emails and more things to check, right? So the demand has pressed us into this crazy realm of multitasking. And I think that you start shifting, where you place your attention is where you place your energy. So if you're shifting your attention all over the board, your energy is scattered. So then, when you start disconnecting from everybody, your boss, your coworker, you know, the news, your cellphone, your computer, and you start going this way, I think it's into the present moment. Then where you place your attention is where you place your energy. And you're truly in the present moment. You've got a lot of energy to execute. You've got a lot of energy to use.

• 1:09:07Joe Dispenza?

  And you want to be able to do that eyes open.

• 1:09:10Lewis Howes?

  The more scattered your energy, the less you have to focus on pushing one thing forward.

• 1:09:13Joe Dispenza?

  That's why people's dreams don't happen because...

• 1:09:16Lewis Howes?

  Too scattered.

• 1:09:17Joe Dispenza?

  There's no... Look, if you keep putting your attention on some future experience that you are imagining with your mind, your body's going to follow your mind right there because that's where your energy is. But if you're putting your attention on everything known in your life, the shower, the coffee maker, you know, the toilet, and your body's following your mind every day to the known. But we want your body to follow your mind to the unknown, right? Enough people get to doing that. And you could do better in creating things in your life. We see this. Wealthy people in our work that are focused on wealth. Some of them living in the backseat of their car. Some of them bankrupt that now have multimillion dollar companies. What do you think they want to do with that money? They want to give it away.

• 1:09:58Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, give back.

• 1:09:59Joe Dispenza?

  Let me tell you why. Not because of any other reason is that they now know that they could create more.

• 1:10:05Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 1:10:05Joe Dispenza?

  But why, if you're abundant, why? Abundance to me has changed. Abundance means I have more than I need. Like way more than I need. So if I have way more than I need and I know how to create it, then take it. I'll create more of it. So now you're no longer holding on in scarcity. You're making a difference. So wealthy people that have created a lot of wealth in this work, they want to give back. They want to make a difference. And I think that that's how we're innately wired. I think we're all innately wired to care for one another, to make a difference. And the living organism, our living organism, our community, we heal one another. That's what we do.

• 1:10:40Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 1:10:40Joe Dispenza?

  We inform one another. We encourage one another. We support one another. We shine for one another. Not to outshine another person, to shine to show them they can shine. And that's, that to me is super healthy. So then I'm applauding your success because I want you to succeed. Because you're telling me that if you can do it, I can do it. So, so there's no longer any separation. I think that's hopeful for the world. Then you start celebrating diversity. Then you're like, wow, you're way different than me. I want to, I want to study you because I want to bring that into who I'm becoming. Yeah, you create a strong community that way.

• 1:11:15Lewis Howes?

  That's powerful. Um, where can we connect with you and learn more?

• 1:11:19Joe Dispenza?

  Um, my website is just DrJoeTheSpencer.com. I think that's a good place to start.

• 1:11:24Lewis Howes?

  You're doing more on social media finally?

• 1:11:26Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:11:27Lewis Howes?

  This is good?

• 1:11:27Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:28Lewis Howes?

  Putting our content out there. So we can follow you there. We can go to your events. You do them once a month somewhere.

• 1:11:33Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah, no, we do week long events. Our, our week long events have just been my passion, you know? I'm I've outgrown keynote presentations and conferences. I want to be with doers. I don't want to talk about history. I want to make history. That's me. So we do a week-long event once a month, just about. And for people to come to a week-long, they have to do the Online Progressive, which is a weekend course that they can do it in nine, you know, they can do it in nine weeks, or they can sit down and watch it in one week. It doesn't matter to me. But that's the preparation.

• 1:12:07Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, to come.

• 1:12:08Joe Dispenza?

  The practice. You've got to get on the skis and you've got to go down a few times before we start skiing, right? So we've stopped doing the Progressives just because there's just not enough time for me to do them any longer. So we would offer them as an online course. And then we have the week-long. But you know, I'm still doing conferences here and there around the world. But yeah, my passion is the week-long.

• 1:12:30Lewis Howes?

  You've got books. Do you have an app yet that teaches the meditations as well?

• 1:12:34Joe Dispenza?

  You know, they're working on this great app right now. In fact, I have a meeting today when I drive back to Santa Barbara on this app that we're creating because we have a great app that keeps everybody connected when they're in events. But we want to have all the meditations on there. We want to have all the things that we do there.

• 1:12:51Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, okay. So that'll be in the future.

• 1:12:53Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah, that's not too...

• 1:12:53Lewis Howes?

  2020.

• 1:12:54Joe Dispenza?

  No, not too far away.

• 1:12:55Lewis Howes?

  Before the end of the year. Okay, cool.

• 1:12:58Lewis Howes?

  Well, you shared your three truths in the last interview, but I have a question for you that I want to ask you. And that is, if you had your final workshop one day, and this was going to be the last workshop you ever gave in front of as many people as you wanted it to be, just imagine any type of workshop you were going to give could be in front of millions of people in front of you. And it was your final 60 seconds after this week-long or three-week-long workshop, whatever you wanted it to be, but you had your final 60 seconds before everyone had to leave. And this was the last workshop you would ever give. What would you share and deliver in the final 60 seconds?

• 1:13:35Joe Dispenza?

  Jeez, Lois, let me think about that.

• 1:13:38Lewis Howes?

  No pressure. Since you're so connected to your future dreams.

• 1:13:46Joe Dispenza?

  I would probably say that I've done my absolute best in disseminating information to prove to people how powerful they really are. And I think when we become the living example of truth, when we actually embody this, that there are no limits to what we can do. And I'm hopeful with human beings that we have this capacity. And of course, when we believe in ourselves, we believe in possibility. And when we believe in possibilities, we believe in ourselves. And I think that is the ultimate belief.

• 1:14:25Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, that's strong. It's a good finish. Drop the mic, walk up to the stage. Well, I acknowledge you, Dr. Joe, for constantly showing up. You've been doing the work for almost two decades and obviously working on yourself for longer, but for constantly showing up with your mission, with your heart to serve all of us, to give us tools, clarity, peace, so that we can bring our hearts to the world and our gifts to the world and manifest what we ultimately want, which is more love, more peace, more harmony and all these things. So I acknowledge you for constantly showing up. I thank you for coming on. You're the man. I gotta come to one of your events soon.

• 1:15:00Joe Dispenza?

  You're invited, Joe.

• 1:15:01Lewis Howes?

  I will be there, front row.

• 1:15:03Joe Dispenza?

  You're invited. I'll make it easy for you.

• 1:15:05Lewis Howes?

  Crying, doing it all. So thank you for coming on.

• 1:15:07Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah, thanks for this. Thanks for all you do also.

• 1:15:09Lewis Howes?

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• 1:15:53Lewis Howes?

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