784 Maisie Williams: Be Your Own Hero

HOW DO YOU TALK TO YOURSELF? The relationship you have with yourself is the most important. If you’re constantly putting yourself down and judging yourself, eventually you’re going to self-destruct. It’s common to self-sabotage when things are going well. It can happen to anyone- it doesn’t matter how successful you are. We feel anxious. We feel like a fraud. We might even feel like we don’t deserve it. But once you get to the root of those feelings, you can heal the judgments you have of yourself. On today’s episode of The School of Greatness, I talk with one of the biggest television stars on the planet about anxiety: Maisie Williams. Maisie Williams is an actress known for playing Arya Stark in Game of Thrones. She won the EWwy Award for Best Supporting Actress in a Drama, the Portal Award for Best Supporting Actress – Television and Best Young Actor, and the Saturn Award for Best Performance by a Younger Actor. In 2016, she was nominated for an Emmy for Outstanding Supporting Actress in a Drama Series. Maisie was at the height of her fame and success but still felt worthless. She realized that there wasn’t anything outside of herself that could make her happy. She had to find her self-worth from the inside. So get ready to learn how Maisie Williams navigated childhood fame and anxiety on Episode 784. Some Questions I Ask: Why is it so terrifying to be yourself? (6:30) Where does anxiety come from for you? (14:00) What are some of the things you do now for self-care? (30:30) What is your greatest fear? (36:30) What is your superpower? (43:00) In This Episode You Will Learn: How to be there for someone who is struggling (22:00) How apologizing for things in your past can help you move forward (28:00) Why you need to slow down when you’re struggling with mental health (33:30) What Maisie wants to accomplish in the future (41:00) About her new startup Daisie (48:00) Get more from Lewis! Get my New York Times Bestselling book, Make Money Easy! Get The Greatness Mindset audiobook on SpotifyText Lewis AIYouTubeInstagramWebsiteTiktokFacebookX

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• 0:00Speaker 00

  This is episode number 784 with Maisie Williams.

• 0:07Speaker 00

  Welcome to the School of Greatness. My name is Lewis Howes, a former pro athlete turned lifestyle entrepreneur. And each week, we bring you an inspiring person or message to help you discover how to unlock your inner greatness. Thanks for spending some time with me today. Now let the class begin.

• 0:32Speaker 00

  Maya Angelou said, "As you grow older, you'll discover that you have two hands, one for helping yourself and the other for helping others." And Oscar Wilde said, "To love oneself is the beginning of a lifelong romance." Welcome to this episode with Maisie Williams, someone I've gotten to know recently and gotten to spend a few times with, and who's really opened me up and inspired me in a lot of ways. She started acting in the massive hit Game of Thrones back in 2011. She's won a number of awards for Best Supporting Actress, a number of awards for Best Young Actor, and has inspired a young generation.

• 1:14Speaker 00

  And in this interview, we talk about how acting has affected Maisie's ability to be herself when she's off set. Also, how Maisy embraces anxiety, and she dives into her anxiety early on in this interview, and how she started to really overcome it. The power of self-care and making time for it, and the importance of looking within yourself for love instead of outside sources. I think this is a really important conversation we're having. There's a lot of vulnerable and sensitive moments that Maisy has, and I really honor her for sharing and diving in and opening up about these topics that I think a lot of people struggle with.

• 1:56Speaker 00

  So if you enjoy this, make sure to share with a friend who you think it could support as well. The link is lewishouse.com/784. I really believe this is going to inspire a lot of people, and I want to spread this as far and as wide. As we can. So make sure to share this out, tag Maisy as well over on Instagram. She's got an inspiring page and make sure to check out her new company called Daisy. We'll talk about that later and have it all in the show notes as well. And also, many of you have been asking about past episodes. We've had almost 800 episodes on the School of Greatness. And unfortunately iTunes and other podcast players don't allow you to have past a certain number of podcasts.

• 2:41Speaker 00

  So we've got incredible episodes with Mel Robbins and Tim Ferriss and Alanis Morissette and Tony Robbins that aren't actually on this platform right now. So we decided to support you even more by creating a new show called The School of Greatness Hall of Fame. These are the hand-selected episodes that aren't available anymore online. They're hand-selected. We put them in a curated list that you can check them out. All called The Hall of Fame. So make sure to go search for School of Greatness Hall of Fame and you can go see the past episodes as well. Again, thank you to our sponsors for helping us make this podcast the way it is. And without further ado, let's dive into this episode with the one, the only, the inspiring Maisy Williams.

• 3:30Speaker 00

  Welcome back everyone to the School of Greatness Podcast. I'm very excited. We have Maisy Williams in the house. High five. We're in London. We're in your office area, side office for your startup company.

• 3:44Speaker 01

  In the cool part of town.

• 3:46Speaker 00

  The cool part of town. We were driving through and we're like, man, we feel cool. We actually drove through, I don't know, 15 minutes away. And there was a bunch of kids in like outfits and you know, school outfits, uniforms. And they looked like Harry Potter kids.

• 3:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:59Speaker 00

  I was like, where's Harry?

• 4:01Speaker 01

  Where's the scar?

• 4:02Speaker 00

  Where is it?

• 4:04Lewis Howes?

  I'm excited about this. We met a couple of months ago in LA.

• 4:08Speaker 01

  In LA?

• 4:08Lewis Howes?

  And you are a powerhouse in the world. You're a star on a big show. Game of Thrones, which I told you I've never seen. I saw like the first 10 minutes of episode 1 years ago. I never got into it.

• 4:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:22Lewis Howes?

  But now I want to get into it because of you.

• 4:24Speaker 01

  Oh, thank you.

• 4:25Lewis Howes?

  So I'm excited to get into it. You've got the season, the final season's coming out like right now.

• 4:30Speaker 01

  Yes, April 14th is coming, so it's like a lot of press and things right now.

• 4:36Lewis Howes?

  Everything.

• 4:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:38Lewis Howes?

  You're all over the place right now. Cover of every magazine. You're doing it all.

• 4:41Speaker 01

  Yes, exactly.

• 4:42Lewis Howes?

  And this is interesting. We were just talking about this before we sat down about how kind of anxious you get.

• 4:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:48Lewis Howes?

  Before interviews, before speeches, before photo shoots, before things like this.

• 4:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:53Lewis Howes?

  But you're this massive superstar. Millions of followers all over the world, been doing eight seasons of Game of Thrones.

• 5:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:00Lewis Howes?

  You are massive, but you still get anxious before an interview with a simple American guy on a podcast, right?

• 5:09Speaker 01

  I think like as an actor, you spend your life playing like a character. And then, you know, like I've been doing press since for about a decade and you know, there are times when I feel like I'm putting on a character and portraying a version of myself. But I think there's nothing that's more terrifying than like truly being yourself.

• 5:31Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 5:32Speaker 01

  And yeah, I get very, very anxious about a lot of things. I think it helps me in some ways. I do a lot better when I put myself under a little bit of pressure, I think. And I think nerves is a way of you sort of doing that, like feeding your nerves.

• 5:49Lewis Howes?

  Give a zone more.

• 5:50Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 5:51Lewis Howes?

  You're focused.

• 5:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, but yeah, also can be just very nerve wracking, I think. You know, there's a lot of people gonna listen to this.

• 5:59Lewis Howes?

  Why, why is being yourself so nerve wracking?

• 6:03Speaker 01

  Because I think for a long time I wasn't really sure who I was. So I couldn't really. Be authentic because I was trying to search in so many other places for who that was. And I guess it's that sort of fear of being found out and like, you know, trying to say the right thing and trying to be some, be the person that you want me to be in this situation. Which I sort of tried to scrap about a year ago and then I think since then my nerves have definitely got a lot more intense, but.

• 6:33Lewis Howes?

  Nerves are more intense?

• 6:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, I've tried to just sort of like drop that. I don't know. Yeah, I just had a lot of, you, you get it a lot when you're younger, when you, you grow up and you try something and then, you know, a lot of people have a lot of opinions and say that you're not being authentic and you, when you're just trying to figure that out yourself, I think it's quite a jarring thing to hear and for me, I have always felt like, I don't really know who I am.

• 6:58Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 6:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, if I'm not pretending to be someone.

• 7:01Lewis Howes?

  A character.

• 7:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 7:02Lewis Howes?

  Do you think most, because you're 21 now, you're gonna turn 22 soon, do you think most teenagers feel that way, even if they're not on a big show and everyone's looking at them?

• 7:10Speaker 01

  Absolutely. I think, you know, whenever anyone can see through my facade and they see me for like the nervous little girl that I am. I think actually it's quite, I get quite a positive reaction from that. So I've really tried to just embrace it a lot more because I think people can relate to that and, you know, getting on stage and doing a TED Talk is terrifying and I think, you know, to see someone find it terrifying is you know, makes you feel kind of good, like that, yeah.

• 7:38Lewis Howes?

  You know, the superhuman.

• 7:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, I feel like it's quite a natural thing to be a little nervous to stand on a stage and talk to people, so.

• 7:46Lewis Howes?

  Is it different being on camera in front of a, a, a film crew? I mean, I don't even know how many people are filming and on set, 20, 50 people while you're doing a scene. Is it more nervous when the cameras say, okay, action, time to go, hit this at this time, you've done it 20 times, now we need to get it right? What's more nerve wracking, that or a TED Talk for 15 minutes in front of a thousand people?

• 8:08Speaker 01

  A TED Talk.

• 8:09Lewis Howes?

  Why is that?

• 8:10Speaker 01

  Acting, performing, that's like in my bones and being able to switch that on and like I can pretend to be like still and calm and like focused and thoughtful and that's what my entire job is on Game of Thrones. Arya is very calculated and she can. Command a room by doing very little. And I understand that feeling and can portray that and can convince people. But my hands are shaking right now.

• 8:50Lewis Howes?

  So you could do that on a camera and be super calm. But on stage or

• 8:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:55Lewis Howes?

  In a simple little podcast with me, you still get a little nervous or anxious.

• 8:59Speaker 01

  Yeah. And I think it really is just the act of like, you know, creating a character of, of, um. Yeah, pretending. And I think people, people do it all the time. People live their entire lives like pretending to be someone that they're not. Yeah.

• 9:16Lewis Howes?

  Putting on a mask or doing something.

• 9:17Speaker 01

  People don't truly know who they are and you, you, you do that for so long that you really lose touch with who you are.

• 9:23Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 9:23Speaker 01

  And I think, um, you know, being able to do that so strongly and so convincingly means I've created a career from it. But yeah, it, when I strip that away and decide to drop that, like I am a very anxious person. And yeah, I don't know if there's ever like a way to fix that about myself. I mean, I've definitely tried and I've sort of gone to therapy and I've been medicated and like I've tried a lot of different things. But I think the best like medicine I was ever given was really just trying to embrace it and stop trying to fight it really. And just accepting that that's how I deal with things and not letting it stop me from doing a TED Talk.

• 10:05Speaker 01

  I'm still gonna go and do it, even though it means that I'm going to be uncomfortable and probably make my anxiety worse. Or do a play. I did a play for three months at Hampstead Theatre here in London.

• 10:18Lewis Howes?

  Was that nerve wracking?

• 10:20Speaker 01

  Completely. On opening night, I looked at myself in the mirror, was alone in my dressing room. And I outwardly said to myself in the mirror, what made you think you could do this? Like said it to myself.

• 10:33Lewis Howes?

  That's probably not the best thing to say right before the first night.

• 10:36Speaker 01

  No, but I just couldn't believe that like past Maisie had thought that this would be an amazing idea. But then you have to stop. And breathe and realize that like I'm not gonna let this hold me back from doing the things I enjoy because ultimately I enjoy performing. I enjoy being on stage. I enjoy that sort of thing and I enjoy helping other people. And I know that the words that I wanted to say in my TED Talk could be inspiring to other people. And I wanna do that. And it's difficult, but it doesn't mean that I shouldn't.

• 11:07Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 11:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, so it's like trying to not listen to those voices in my head.

• 11:11Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. How did the play and the TED Talk go for you personally? How did you feel they went?

• 11:17Speaker 01

  The play was amazing. I felt so proud of myself afterwards.

• 11:24Speaker 01

  And I wanna do more. The TED Talk. The thing about a TED Talk is you do it on the day in front of those people on stage. And then it lives on after you.

• 11:36Lewis Howes?

  It's recorded and yeah.

• 11:37Speaker 01

  On the day, delivery was not strong. There's a lot of pregnant pauses where I looked at the crowd and thought, what am I doing?

• 11:49Lewis Howes?

  What am I doing here? Who thought, who would have thought I should be doing this?

• 11:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, and then got it back and you know. But you know, and, and I won. I was really beating myself up after it. I was with Ruben and we walked back to the train station. And I basically cried the whole way back to the train station.

• 12:07Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 12:07Speaker 01

  Looked at the floor. I couldn't even look at him because I was so embarrassed by and disappointed in myself. Then we just got to the train station and I sort of pulled myself together. And we were just looking through a shop while we waited for the train. And this girl came up and she said, Maisie. And I turned around and she was like, I just was at your TED Talk. It's so interesting to me that you're so terrified. And like, don't beat yourself up about that because yeah, you know, it wasn't the most punchy talk that anyone's ever given. But the fact that you like let down that wall and let people see that you are just like an anxious person. I think it's like quite humbling to people to hear. So that was like what I needed for me to just be like suck it up. Like it's bigger than that and it's okay that you did something wrong. And, and then they edited those out.

• 12:50Speaker 01

  And then now the video is doing wonderfully and people are happy. So.

• 12:54Lewis Howes?

  There you go.

• 12:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't need to beat myself up for the rest of my life.

• 12:59Lewis Howes?

  Now, where do you think anxiety comes from for you?

• 13:06Speaker 01

  I think my entire family are quite anxious people. And I think mine's definitely sort of enhanced and.

• 13:14Lewis Howes?

  You're the youngest of four, right?

• 13:15Speaker 01

  I am, yes. Yeah, we sit in the same place in the family, the baby.

• 13:21Lewis Howes?

  You think yours is enhanced?

• 13:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's just, you know, mine gets worse with like being famous. You know, and the things that come with that, like being stopped in the street, you know, so. I don't know that that's like the root of it, really. I feel like I maybe would have been an anxious person anyway, even if I wasn't famous. So I don't want to say that because I think that that's untrue. I think just self doubt, like.

• 13:43Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 13:43Speaker 01

  Me and my entire family.

• 13:45Lewis Howes?

  You doubt yourself a lot?

• 13:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think we all do.

• 13:48Lewis Howes?

  But you're this big star. You're on shows, you're, you know, celebrated.

• 13:54Speaker 01

  I don't think that's where your self-worth comes from, though.

• 13:57Lewis Howes?

  Where does your self-worth come from?

• 14:04Speaker 01

  My, I think like real connections with people. Like I pride myself and I judge myself based on like. How many people are like good to me and help me? And how many people I help like one to one? Like I feel like that's how I feel like I'm worth something if I can be that friend to call. Or if I can find, if I have someone to call. I think that's like kind of where my self-worth is.

• 14:30Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 14:32Speaker 01

  Is that bad?

• 14:33Lewis Howes?

  No.

• 14:33Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 14:35Lewis Howes?

  The intimate, personal connections you have, the relationships you have, if they're strong or if they're not strong.

• 14:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, and so I think the reason why it sort of maybe got worse is because I have got this fame and it's hard to understand what people's intentions are. And it's hard to have time for those relationships. And so, you know, if you go too long away from home, then it can get a lot worse. And I spend too much time away from my family and. But I think, you know, for all of us, it is just a bit of self doubt. And I think we have quite low self-esteem and, and, you know, I can look at every single member of my family and I think I can pinpoint, you know, I can see it in their eyes, like things that I feel and things that I think about myself. And as soon as, you know, one of my siblings says something to me, which is a sentence I probably say to myself. You know, I hate this about myself, I hate, it destroys me.

• 15:23Speaker 01

  And it's really hard to be like, don't you dare, because I know I'm exactly the same. So I think that it's just something within us, but we're we're getting much better at talking to each other and and being more supportive of one another.

• 15:34Lewis Howes?

  How do you think you can shift that personally for yourself moving forward where you're not saying negative things about yourself or who am I to do this or?

• 15:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, I definitely, I used to tell myself I hated myself like every day. I'd say out loud to myself.

• 15:48Lewis Howes?

  Before, like, before you started the show, during the show?

• 15:51Speaker 01

  No, so this maybe started when I was fifteen or sixteen.

• 15:56Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 15:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I would say to myself.

• 15:58Lewis Howes?

  At the top of your career.

• 16:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:01Lewis Howes?

  You would say out loud, what, in the mirror or just like?

• 16:03Speaker 01

  And sometimes I would say it, but like, you know, it started just in my head, like I'd think of something and then bit like cringe or like, you know, feel disappointed or for all whatever. And I'd be like, I hate myself. And then it started getting worse and worse and worse until like sometimes I'd just be with people and we'd be like talking and then I'd say, I hate myself. And people are like, what? And I'm like, nothing, sorry. And it's just because thoughts in my head were getting so overwhelming that I would just say it out loud and not realize that I'd done it.

• 16:31Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 16:31Speaker 01

  Yeah. It was quite like I was very, I felt very negatively about myself.

• 16:38Lewis Howes?

  Why do you think that is though? What could have changed on the outside for you to think differently? You had the biggest show, you know, you're getting on the cover of magazines, you have all these opportunities, tons of people are loving you, but on the inside you weren't loving yourself, it sounded like. What would have to change on the external world for that for you to shift?

• 16:57Speaker 01

  I think that was the point was that I was waiting for something on the outside world to change. And it wasn't ever really going to. So I think it was important for me to find peace within myself. I think I, you know, had a lot of like rocky relationships with friends and my family. You know, had a lot of thoughts about, you know, why did I get this success? You know, next to like my siblings and you know how much?

• 17:27Lewis Howes?

  The guilt or things you might have felt?

• 17:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, definitely. And so I think what I needed to do was start punishing myself for that. And that was what it came out as, I would punish myself for being successful.

• 17:42Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 17:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:44Lewis Howes?

  I'm surprised you've made it this far. I was still, I was probably still on the show like this long for that much like internal hatred and punishment you gave on yourself.

• 17:53Speaker 01

  It definitely hit rock bottom before I got to where I am now.

• 17:56Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 17:57Speaker 01

  We wouldn't have had this conversation a year ago.

• 17:59Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, you're in a much better place now.

• 18:01Speaker 01

  Definitely, yeah.

• 18:02Lewis Howes?

  A year ago, what was a year ago like? And I know you say you didn't wanna cry, be emotional, but this is powerful stuff.

• 18:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, I want to tell my story. About a year ago, I was in a relationship, but I'd unfortunately got into a relationship where I wasn't ready to love someone else. And I had had, just before that relationship, I'd had a very big argument and um a huge like rift within my life and in my heart and a huge, you know, like loss of friendship and like a very difficult thing that had happened. And I met this person and I fell in love with him and our entire relationship was beautiful, but it was so separated from anything that I was feeling before. I created this new avenue of life with this person.

• 18:52Speaker 01

  And I think it got to two years in and I realized that I hadn't actually righted any of the wrongs from two years previously. I had just cut, like, cut an arm off, basically, and said, I'm not dealing with any of that. And was angry at the world because I was obviously upset about this, you know, a huge part of my life that I'd cut off and just filled it with this relationship. And I couldn't love him, you know, properly and in turn I didn't love myself and he couldn't love me properly. And, and so that ended up ending and I went on a very self-destructive path and

• 19:27Lewis Howes?

  For how long?

• 19:28Speaker 01

  Maybe like three months. It wasn't, you know, it wasn't like crazy, but I realized in that time like I had and I couldn't be alone with myself without just Being awful to myself. And I couldn't even be with people without feeling like I hated every single person there and myself. Like, I didn't have any connections with my friends that I was with at that time. I think people listening to this would think, and people have said to me, like, I'm so awful that I wasn't there for you. And people couldn't have even been there for me, even if I'd have got a call from my best friend. It wouldn't have been like the calling that I needed. I was like dead set on being very self-destructive. Never really had a very good relationship with substances anyway.

• 20:13Speaker 01

  And it just all started to sort of come out in those few months. And I just got very, very sad. And, yeah, I just had a lot of overwhelming feelings of not really wanting to be here.

• 20:27Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 20:27Speaker 01

  Um, and then, yeah, and then I met someone who just listened, really. And I think a lot of people wanna help you. And when you see someone who's in pain, you wanna help them.

• 20:41Lewis Howes?

  Like, coach them or tell them what to do or...

• 20:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, you want to take their pain away. I was watching this thing about a marathon trainer and he trained this girl. And like, he says, like, you wanna feel the pain for them and you wanna run the marathon for them and you wanna be that. But you can't, you have to just let them just figure it out and discover it as it goes. And I think a lot of my friends are people who want to make me feel better. But you have to do that yourself. And no one had really tried to ask me the questions that I need to be asking myself, you know?

• 21:14Lewis Howes?

  What are some of those questions they should have asked you or that this friend started to ask you?

• 21:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, why do you find it so easy to think bad thoughts than good thoughts? Um, and I really loved being negative and getting into a hole. I used to say, like, I'm in a hole. I felt like I was in a hole.

• 21:32Lewis Howes?

  Jeez, I don't know how you even did anything in your life. I don't know even how you were an actress or any of these things.

• 21:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, I took a little, I had a bit of time off last summer and I think it was very, very good. Through that period of time, it was quite good for me, you know, to get all of this.

• 21:46Lewis Howes?

  Cause how do you, cause how do you say, I hate myself, I'm in a hole, I'm no good, or whatever else you were saying to yourself? But also go land this, like, great part and keep, like, booking and...

• 21:59Speaker 01

  This is the thing about medication, though. So I was on a lot of, like, beta blockers, um, which... I understand, but I think are actually kind of the worst things.

• 22:08Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 22:09Speaker 01

  So I, you know, one like big memory, and this is something that I hope will make people sort of realize where I was at. It was like the, um, like the final, it was like a big celebration of Game of Thrones, the final season. And I was taking this sort of medication that was like just very numbing and like.

• 22:27Lewis Howes?

  So you didn't feel anxious?

• 22:28Speaker 01

  And every, yeah, so we didn't feel anxious, but I meant I really didn't feel anything. And everyone around me is sobbing and crying and hugging. And we're looking at pictures of us when we were children and just couldn't for the life of me like feel a thing.

• 22:41Lewis Howes?

  You felt nothing?

• 22:41Speaker 01

  Literally nothing, just like was just floating through these last few months of the show.

• 22:47Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 22:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. And then I think, you know, and did start to sort of bring myself out of that. Started to love myself, I think. And now I wouldn't dream of telling myself that I hated myself. And it makes me so sad to think that I was like that. And I was, because everything is so wonderful now.

• 23:11Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 23:13Speaker 01

  And, um.

• 23:15Lewis Howes?

  It's a beautiful life, isn't it? Well, I'm glad that you have someone and people who can really listen to you and ask you the right questions so that you can start to shift those conversations.

• 23:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:26Lewis Howes?

  And I think, uh, you know, I used to have those conversations with myself as well for many years. And I think a lot of people listening or watching have had those or are having them now. So I think it's beautiful that you're sharing this and I really appreciate it.

• 23:40Speaker 01

  That's okay. I'm happy too.

• 23:44Lewis Howes?

  There's a tissue back there, maybe you grab a tissue?

• 23:46Speaker 01

  I don't know, might be a little one.

• 23:49Lewis Howes?

  I love that someone asked you this question. Why do you, why is it easier to say bad things or think bad thoughts than it is to say good thoughts?

• 24:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:00Lewis Howes?

  Because I'm all about the positive things we tell ourselves. The intention of saying something positive. Because the opposite isn't going to help you. It's only going to create more anxiety, more stress, more frustration and anger. What are the other questions that he was asking you or your friends were asking you?

• 24:20Speaker 01

  It was, uh, I think.

• 24:28Speaker 01

  I feel ridiculous now. We would stay up and have conversation for hours and hours. And now I'm like, what did he say? What did he say?

• 24:35Lewis Howes?

  What was it? What was the things that helped shift you to start like looking at your life differently? Like, oh, wow, maybe I do say all these negative things that I shouldn't be saying. What else am I doing that I shouldn't be doing?

• 24:43Speaker 01

  I think what I first, what I first realized was that I was punishing myself for my success.

• 24:52Lewis Howes?

  Because your siblings, your family wasn't achieving that, or your friends weren't achieving that?

• 24:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, so I had, I had, I had a bit of a rift within my family anyway. So I was disconnected from them, which means I was kind of disconnected from the truth. Because when you are disconnected from someone, you can tell yourself whatever they, you can, you know, convince yourself that they think something, you know, people do all the time. And so I think realizing that a lot of the things I was telling myself were based on other things that I was just telling myself and not like facts and understanding that I didn't need to punish myself and actually that my family were really proud of the things that I was doing. And wanted to support me and cared that I was, you know, and didn't feel jealous or angry or bitter.

• 25:40Speaker 01

  They were actually very, very supportive. It was something that I was more just afraid of, I guess. And I'd made it, you know, a problem. I think after that, I was looking for apologies and was looking for, I wanted people to feel bad for the things that they had said. Um, and I realized that that wasn't gonna happen. But I still felt very bad about things that I had said, so I decided to apologize for those things, even though I wasn't gonna get anything in reply, and I didn't. Yeah.

• 26:13Lewis Howes?

  So you did this in person with people or on the phone?

• 26:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, on the phone, like Skype, FaceTime, things like that.

• 26:19Lewis Howes?

  How did you feel after you apologized to all the people that you said bad things to?

• 26:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was, um, I mean, I was shaking. It was like, you know, a conversation that should have happened like two years ago, three years ago, you know? And I was like panic attack, you know, on the edge of that sort of like.

• 26:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, just that feeling. Then I was with my best friend Sophie Turner at the time. And so I went into the room with her and I said, I just had this conversation and she knew a lot of the backstory. I just had this and this is what they said and this is what I said and da, da, da, da. And she was about to speak and I was like, but I'm okay with it all and it's fine. It's at peace and I want to just move on with my life now. And she turned around to me and was like, you are the most stubborn person I've ever met and I can't believe that you're saying this to me right now. And that was when I knew I was like, I'm making progress. Cause I feel good, even though I'm terrified, I feel better. And you know, I could then sort of close that chapter of my life and know that, you know. I had, yeah, exactly.

• 27:19Speaker 01

  And then I think the last step really for me was um, just realizing that I just need to take time to care for myself. And I need to say no to things and people. And I need to like actually take the time to sort things out when I feel sad or, you know, if I'm, cause it just makes you the most ineffective person when you just stress about a million things. And it could all have been solved by, you know, that two weekends ago when you wanted to do that thing that was gonna make you feel good and you didn't. And now you're paying for it in like a week of low time.

• 28:04Speaker 01

  So I think like actual time for self-care and yeah, stop doing things for other people because you know it made them feel good, but makes you feel kinda horrible.

• 28:17Lewis Howes?

  Right, right. Well, I'm glad that you said yes to me to do this. You know, maybe you didn't want to.

• 28:23Speaker 01

  No.

• 28:26Lewis Howes?

  What are, what are some of the things you do now for self-care?

• 28:30Speaker 01

  Well, I think.

• 28:31Lewis Howes?

  Like do you get massages? Do you go like just walk in nature? Do you journal? Do you just chill out and?

• 28:37Speaker 01

  I do a lot. So I'm more creative now. I do a painting.

• 28:41Lewis Howes?

  Oh, that's cool.

• 28:42Speaker 01

  Which I like. I write words. They're like poems, but like telling myself that I'm just looking for my Elton John and then there'll be songs, you know? Yeah, like I just take a lot more time of a self-care. I get eight hours sleep every night, but like an hour before I like to get ready for bed and it like makes you feel good. Like in low times, like it's quite common for people, but like you just stop caring about yourself completely.

• 29:12Lewis Howes?

  You don't do anything, you don't eat good food.

• 29:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, and it's like, yeah, I think I just like, I stopped binge eating. So I'd struggled with that sort of thing.

• 29:23Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, just a box of brownies and cookies, ooh.

• 29:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:26Lewis Howes?

  So good.

• 29:27Speaker 01

  Just stop that, stop that, um. I stopped a lot of things. I I don't binge drink anymore. I quit drinking, but now I like, you know, will have a glass of wine with my dinner or something, but I don't binge drink at all anymore. I've just lived a, I just live a lot more simply now, I think. And like, I spend just a lot more time with myself. Um, I used to fill everything with seeing people and doing things and like, you know, trying to be there for, you know, do things for other people, but I think really now I I look at my life and it's like five miles an hour and it just looks like peaceful.

• 30:08Speaker 01

  And like very calm. And I think that was like the biggest change for me is like having a free evening. And, you know.

• 30:16Lewis Howes?

  Not booking your schedule to do everything all the time, yeah.

• 30:18Speaker 01

  Just cooking dinner and not being, you know, not ordering delivery on your way home at eleven thirty at night and then eating it in bed and then going to sleep and then waking up at six and like, you know, that's what it was like. It was just around the clock mayhem and now I just, you know, feel very calm.

• 30:32Lewis Howes?

  That's great. What advice would you have for other young women who maybe feel super anxious, super stressed out, hate themselves, ask themselves, why am I even here? What advice would you have for them or coaching or guidance if they're listening to this?

• 30:49Speaker 01

  I think to just slow everything down, to write things out, to, I mean, I think it really depends, but I think like giving yourself the.

• 31:03Speaker 01

  There's lots of different types of like therapy that you can go and do. Um, you know, C B C B T or something, I don't know. That but if that's not really for you, I think it's like just asking yourself really, really difficult questions. Like questioning.

• 31:19Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 31:20Speaker 01

  Getting to the root, look further and further within because like the answers are all there. And I think you're capable of finding that on your own. Ask yourself like, why do you make yourself feel like this? Because no one else is doing that to you.

• 31:34Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 31:35Speaker 01

  Why? And and like, don't stop until you've like cried every last tear about the reason why. Like, keep picking yourself and keep trying to understand it.

• 31:47Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 31:48Speaker 01

  I'm still, you know, on my way to figuring that sort of thing out. I think, you know, it's definitely like, just like layers and layers of like, you know, trying to understand that. But I think it's all within you. And I think trying to find, getting support and help from friends or boyfriends can be like really, really wonderful. But at the end of the day, like you can't mask any of your problems with that. Because they'll just come back in three years' time when it's even harder to to grasp.

• 32:18Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, because you did that, you like got into a new relationship and then you masked it and everything was good for a while. But you were still angry underneath later because you hadn't addressed certain things that you were frustrated about before.

• 32:29Speaker 01

  Exactly, so I think it's just like, it's all within you.

• 32:33Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 32:34Speaker 01

  Understanding that and, you know, every day I live my life differently now, I feel like. Even being aware today that I'm anxious, like an understanding that I, if I, you know. If I come off a certain way, not like I'm just aware, I don't come off in a certain way now. Because I'm just understanding that I'm anxious rather than pretending that I'm not and being mean or, you know, however it comes out in different people.

• 32:58Lewis Howes?

  Snobby or whatever it is, yeah.

• 32:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly, yeah. Um, so I think, you know, just it's like, not just, I think like looking within yourself is like the answer to so many problems in in life.

• 33:10Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, have you read the book The Alchemist?

• 33:12Speaker 01

  No, it's Ruben's favorite.

• 33:14Lewis Howes?

  It's his favorite?

• 33:14Speaker 01

  It is.

• 33:15Lewis Howes?

  You gotta read this.

• 33:15Speaker 01

  I do, I do.

• 33:17Lewis Howes?

  But it's all about the treasures is within you, you know, the answers are within you.

• 33:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:20Lewis Howes?

  Takes you on a beautiful journey to to discover that.

• 33:22Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 33:23Lewis Howes?

  What do you think is your biggest fear right now?

• 33:26Speaker 01

  My biggest fear.

• 33:29Lewis Howes?

  Not like spiders, but you know.

• 33:32Speaker 01

  I think I have no doubts that I'm going to do wonderful things with my life. But I have a tendency to judge myself based on other people's opinions of me. And that's sort of where a lot of my anxieties have always been and something that I'm trying to change. But I don't know, you know, one year of doing that isn't going to solve that. And so I think, you know, now with the show ending and moving forwards into my life. And I'm deciding what I want to do. Um, I just worry that if people are very vocal about what they think on my life, that it might affect me.

• 34:13Speaker 01

  Even if it just upsets me, like that kind of scares me because when I get upset, it makes me just forget a lot of the things that I've worked so hard to try and understand.

• 34:23Lewis Howes?

  Could you put that energy on that upset or people's opinions?

• 34:27Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 34:27Lewis Howes?

  As opposed to the good things you've done?

• 34:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:29Lewis Howes?

  Or your mission or what you want to create?

• 34:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, and that's when it starts creeping back in, you know, it's like one knock or one thing you read. And then it can just spiral. And I know that I'm still very capable of doing that. So it's just that's what my biggest fear is for the future because I don't want it to stop me from doing things I want to do.

• 34:47Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 34:48Speaker 01

  Um, but other people's opinions do opinions do still like really affect me.

• 34:52Lewis Howes?

  So how do you detach your emotions to what other people say about you?

• 34:57Speaker 01

  I think.

• 34:57Lewis Howes?

  Positive or negative?

• 34:59Speaker 01

  I don't know if this is the right answer, but for now, what I'm going to do is uh not see them.

• 35:05Lewis Howes?

  Don't read any newspapers, don't read social media comments.

• 35:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, that's definitely not the answer. Um.

• 35:12Lewis Howes?

  That's helpful, I think, too.

• 35:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, but I think for me, it's going to be about coming away from sort of social media. And, you know, if I'm trying something new, I want to be able to try it and realize it and figure it out before I like have to present it to someone for their opinion. The thing is about being famous and doing anything is that people are always watching you. So you can't, you know, I can't ever be a beginner at anything again. Because everyone's like waiting for you, you know?

• 35:39Lewis Howes?

  Judging you.

• 35:39Speaker 01

  Exactly. It's like, what makes you think that you can do that? I'm like, well, I don't know. I'm just figuring it out right now. So I think, you know, at least locking myself away until I, you know, know exactly what it is that I wanna go out and and do next. Uh, I think that's important and something that I'm so excited for. Just to be able to take time out and be creative on my own and maybe even study again. I always told myself I'd never go back to school, but I think I might.

• 36:06Lewis Howes?

  Ah, there you go.

• 36:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:08Lewis Howes?

  Um. Cause you've been doing this show for ten, is it ten years now?

• 36:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, ten years in a few months.

• 36:14Lewis Howes?

  Wow. It's consumed your life.

• 36:17Speaker 01

  My whole adolescence, like I was a full child, like twelve years old. And now I'm like full, I mean, a full adult, but you know, over twenty one is like, you know.

• 36:26Lewis Howes?

  You're officially an adult.

• 36:27Speaker 01

  Exactly, so.

• 36:29Lewis Howes?

  At least age wise, emotionally, uh.

• 36:32Speaker 01

  Yeah. Emotionally, I think I was more grown up then. No, I'm kidding. Yeah, no, it really has been, yeah, everyone's watched me grow up.

• 36:41Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, are you more excited about the show being over and seeing what's next? Or are you more worried about, well, am I gonna book a big show again with a big role? Or, you know, cause I know some actors, we talked about this last time, they've been big stars for years. The show ends and then they can't even get a casting.

• 37:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:01Lewis Howes?

  For the next three years.

• 37:01Speaker 01

  Yeah. My idea of like success for my future isn't trying to do something that was as successful as Game of Thrones again.

• 37:09Lewis Howes?

  That's smart. Most people don't have that point of view.

• 37:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think that's where I've clashed sort of, you know, opinions with a lot of people in my life for what I want my future to be. And for me, I don't see success as always going bigger and better and bigger and better. Because it's not what I want. I have no intention of being any more famous than I am right now. I'm happy for that to just get less and less. And in terms of like being an actor and the characters that I wanna play and the emotions that I wanna sort of portray. It's very rare to find those sort of things within, you know, very, very big movies and they sometimes don't ask questions that are, you know, moving enough or deep enough or.

• 37:52Speaker 01

  Real enough and I think that I really wanna tell stories that are heartbreaking or wanna just like feel really I I'm a very emotional person. I feel things very, very deeply and I love that. And I want other people to feel that watching movies. And when things are kind of sugar coated and um you know, just kind of a little offensive.

• 38:22Lewis Howes?

  When it's too weak, yeah.

• 38:24Speaker 01

  Yeah. I think um yeah.

• 38:26Lewis Howes?

  So you wanna create more opportunities like that for yourself?

• 38:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, and and you know, and even not just in the in the acting world, but you know, other personal achievements and and things that I judge my life on. And yeah, I don't wanna run a marathon, right?

• 38:41Lewis Howes?

  By when?

• 38:43Speaker 01

  We're not talking about it.

• 38:45Lewis Howes?

  What age do you wanna complete it by?

• 38:47Speaker 01

  Well, this is the thing, it's like I don't want I wanna do it for myself and no one else. And so it's like I don't even want people to know when I'm doing it. I don't and like, you know, I could raise so much money by doing a marathon. And you know, I'd rather just donate that out of my own pocket than like having this. I'm doing this.

• 39:08Lewis Howes?

  Pressure this.

• 39:09Speaker 01

  It's not about anyone else and uh yeah.

• 39:12Lewis Howes?

  It's cool.

• 39:13Speaker 01

  So it's just, yeah, so it's things that I want with my life that I think like, you know, it's hard to convey to like a manager or someone and be like, yeah.

• 39:22Lewis Howes?

  Personal stuff you want.

• 39:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, just personal little things that I wanna do with my life.

• 39:27Lewis Howes?

  That's cool.

• 39:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:27Lewis Howes?

  What would you say is your superpower?

• 39:32Speaker 01

  Empathy, maybe.

• 39:34Lewis Howes?

  It's a powerful one.

• 39:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:36Lewis Howes?

  That's a very powerful superpower.

• 39:39Speaker 01

  Feel like I've felt a lot of emotions like and I can feel them for other people. And I have friends that aren't anywhere near as like emotional as me. And I love that and I can see it and like, you know, the pure happiness and joy of like the amazing things they've experienced in their lives. And it's like so beautiful, but at the same time, like I feel like I can just feel real sadness for other people.

• 40:12Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 40:12Speaker 01

  Um and like it can really.

• 40:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, consume me sometimes. But.

• 40:21Lewis Howes?

  It's a superpower and can also be your kryptonite, huh?

• 40:23Speaker 01

  Exactly, yeah.

• 40:25Lewis Howes?

  So you gotta learn how to manage it sometimes.

• 40:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly. And like be proactive, like on your empathy, like.

• 40:31Lewis Howes?

  Use it.

• 40:32Speaker 01

  Happy, yeah, help someone, you know? See what was making them sad or whatever it is and like, you know, be able to understand it enough within myself about what I needed to do at that moment. And you know, how I can help someone in that moment.

• 40:48Lewis Howes?

  I like that.

• 40:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:49Lewis Howes?

  Who was the most influential person in your life growing up? And what was the biggest lesson they taught you?

• 40:56Speaker 01

  My mother was the most influential person on my life. And she taught me, I mean, everything. But I think, you know, two things are coming to mind right now. She taught me to never like put a limit on anything that I'm capable of. Um, she, like, according to my mom, I can rule the world. And having that sort of support makes you feel. When you ask like, how did you manage to get through all of that when you were like putting yourself down so much? She's never believed that I couldn't do something. Um, so she taught me that. And then I think through seeing my mother, um, grow up.

• 41:39Speaker 01

  And I think understanding the way my mother feels about herself, definitely like sometimes negatively impacted me. But I think in turn, now that I've understood it, has made me love myself.

• 41:53Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 41:55Speaker 01

  For her, even if she sometimes can't love herself, you know what I mean?

• 41:59Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 42:00Speaker 01

  So I think that was something that, something that is very fresh to me and I can see a lot.

• 42:06Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 42:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:07Lewis Howes?

  That's cool. She seems like an inspiring woman.

• 42:09Speaker 01

  She's incredible. My mother has done everything. She is just, there's no one quite like her. She's done a lot with her life.

• 42:19Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 42:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, she's very special.

• 42:21Lewis Howes?

  If you were.

• 42:24Lewis Howes?

  Thirty years out. And hypothetically, you're still here right now, but then you're thirty years older. Fifty-one. And you are seeing yourself right now, going through everything you've gone through in the last five years, especially in the last year. What advice would you give yourself now? And with hindsight, thirty years out? For the next chapter of your life?

• 42:53Speaker 01

  Keep running. Try everything. What are you waiting for?

• 43:02Speaker 01

  I think I'm very excited for the next ten years of my life. And I definitely have no idea what's gonna happen. And that's so exciting to me. And I hope by the time I get to thirty years down the line, I've done everything, everything that there is to do in this world. And I've met everyone and

• 43:25Speaker 01

  that's what I want to have achieved. I don't wanna be stuck anywhere. I think I've relied so heavily on this really great opportunity that I was given so young, but it's like I wanna run away from it and just live a normal life and see what I can achieve on that. Yeah, I wanna try it all. I'm a very creative person, I hope. I've, I hope I've explored all of those avenues in thirty years.

• 43:58Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 44:00Lewis Howes?

  It's good advice, I like that. I wanna do a couple of final questions and we'll wrap things up. You've got a new startup called Daisy.

• 44:08Speaker 01

  I do.

• 44:09Lewis Howes?

  Now I just saw kinda behind the scenes of it, you were showing me a little bit of it, it looks really cool.

• 44:13Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 44:13Lewis Howes?

  Can you explain what it is and what your mission is and how people can get involved if they're listening or watching?

• 44:18Speaker 01

  So I started Daisy for artists and creative people. People always say if you wanna break into the industry, it's not what you know, it's who you know. And I think when you know nobody, that's kind of a very jarring thing to hear.

• 44:31Lewis Howes?

  Depressing.

• 44:31Speaker 01

  Yes, so I wanted to create like a social media platform.

• 44:37Speaker 01

  For artists and creative people to be able to discover and network other people across industries and collaborate with them on projects that, you know, they want to build. So whether that's like a musician who needs a videographer to shoot like a music video, or it's like a photographer who's gonna shoot, you know, an artist in their new gallery, or across industries and people being able to really like source these people that um they need to be able to elevate the work that they're already doing. I think the key to success is like collaborating and finding new audiences. And I think the more people you can work with and the bigger your network can become, even if it's at a very uh basic level and like, you know, an amateur level.

• 45:19Speaker 01

  I think that's the sort of thing that really starts to catch people's eyes and and help you break into the industry. So that's why we created it and um.

• 45:27Lewis Howes?

  And all types of creatives, it can be artists, to graphic design, to photography.

• 45:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, film, fashion, music, photography, art, literature.

• 45:34Lewis Howes?

  Writing, everything.

• 45:35Speaker 01

  All of it, across the board. We uh we want you to be a part of our platform um and we want you to find like-minded people and uh find your place amongst, you know, I think a lot of creative people feel rejected from social medias like Instagram or, you know, they feel like they're not part of the cool club. And I think Daisy is really about celebrating that messy middle and giving these people a place to really express themselves and and find the people that love what they do and don't think it's weird.

• 46:07Lewis Howes?

  That's cool.

• 46:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:08Lewis Howes?

  Right now it's in beta, but people can get on a waitlist or they can sign up for the.

• 46:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, so May will be when people can find us. We're www.daisy.com, Daisy with an I E, like my name. And uh you can follow us on Instagram, Twitter, see all of the updates, or join our mailing list. And yeah, you'll be you'll be in very soon.

• 46:27Lewis Howes?

  In the club, the cool club, artist's club.

• 46:30Speaker 01

  The club of, like, the anti-club.

• 46:32Lewis Howes?

  The anti-club.

• 46:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:34Lewis Howes?

  I love it. So daisy.com, D A S I E.

• 46:38Speaker 01

  D A I S I E.

• 46:39Lewis Howes?

  D A I S I E. Daisy on social media as well. Make sure you guys join that. That is happening right now. You also have a podcast that you're launching.

• 46:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, Thinking Big.

• 46:50Lewis Howes?

  Thinking Big?

• 46:50Speaker 01

  Thinking Big with Maisie Williams.

• 46:52Lewis Howes?

  Oh, snap.

• 46:53Speaker 01

  It's about childhood dreams and, you know, when you're a kid, what you wanted to be when you grew up and how that compares to what people are doing now. And then, you know, the idea of like from now, what's your big dream for the future and show that, you know, that evolution never really stops. Yeah, it's been really, really wonderful. I just speak to a lot of really creative people and I think it's really interesting to see that for so many creative people, it's like their career is taking off, but usually that means that you're sort of crying into a pillow. So it's interesting.

• 47:22Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 47:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:23Lewis Howes?

  When their career takes off, they cry into a pillow?

• 47:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think that was, isn't that a line from, I think it's Devil Wears Prada, something like, like if your career is going well, I don't know. I can't, I'm gonna misquote it, but there's a really great line from Devil Wears Prada, just about like, you know, when your career is taking off, like your personal life is usually.

• 47:41Lewis Howes?

  Oh, your personal life is like suffering, yeah.

• 47:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 47:44Lewis Howes?

  Because you put all your energy into your career and your dream, but then.

• 47:48Speaker 01

  Finding balance.

• 47:48Lewis Howes?

  You lose yourself over here, yeah.

• 47:50Speaker 01

  I think you talk to so many people and, you know, I've not talked to many for my podcast, but in terms of interviewing people for daisy.com and, you know, the magazine or the profiles and, you know, content that will all be up on the website soon. I think what I've really learned from creative people is that like, there's a lot of pain. That's what makes you so good, but that's what also, you know,

• 48:13Lewis Howes?

  Makes you suffer.

• 48:14Speaker 01

  Tears you apart. Yeah. And trying to balance that is like the mission for so many people.

• 48:20Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 48:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, and it's just like a constant like teetering on that scale of, am I gonna lose it all? Or am I gonna be very, very successful?

• 48:31Speaker 01

  It's just always like that. And I think, you know, for anyone who wants to get into the creative industry is like, it's, it is like that, you know, it's like people who have this drive and this mentality to go all of the way. It's like, it's not within a lot of people.

• 48:46Lewis Howes?

  It's very powerful, but it can be toxic too, if it can control you and consume you. I mean, that's where you see some of our greatest, most talented artists of our, you know, of our generation in their twenties, twenty-seven is usually the age where they kind of either. Go the other way through and make it through, or they just.

• 49:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, and the amount of like A D D brains that we've spoken to, people that like struggle with this disorder. And it's like made them these like incredibly incredibly creative people who are gonna do amazing things with their lives.

• 49:17Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 49:17Speaker 01

  And like, you know, it's very interesting what I thought A D D was. And then meeting these people and realizing like, oh, it's people that don't have, you know, their focus yet. They don't have the thing that makes them tick yet.

• 49:28Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 49:29Speaker 01

  And when you do.

• 49:30Lewis Howes?

  When you have that, you go all in.

• 49:31Speaker 01

  Oh, my goodness. Yeah, people like, you know, this artist Chloe Wise, who like hashes out of painting in five days. And she's like this huge canvas and she's like, that's it, I'm done. And then she goes on to the next one. And it's these like beautiful, like it's like painted pictures of like pictures she's taken of her of her friends. And it's like multimedia kind of, and she like will just go and paint and paint and paint. And when she's done, she's done. She will not touch it again. She'll move on to the next one.

• 49:54Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 49:55Speaker 01

  You know, artists can't do that a lot. It's like a very interesting part of her brain that can just churn things out like that. It's incredible.

• 50:02Lewis Howes?

  Crazy.

• 50:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, you know, you can't lock someone in a room and just say like, paint seventeen canvases.

• 50:07Lewis Howes?

  It's hard.

• 50:07Speaker 01

  You know, a lot of people can't do that sort of thing and find that sort of thing insane. So, yeah, I think it's been really interesting to me. And seeing these oddball people and realizing like, no, that's what makes you successful.

• 50:18Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 50:19Speaker 01

  And I think, you know, for for people, it's very important to find those oddball things about yourself.

• 50:24Lewis Howes?

  Embrace them. Yeah, and go all in. Uh, you got Daisy, you got Thinking Big, Game of Thrones, all happening right around the same time. It's gonna be a very exciting next couple of months for you.

• 50:36Speaker 01

  It is.

• 50:37Lewis Howes?

  Uh, is there anything else that you wanna share or talk about, let us know about, that we can support you with?

• 50:43Speaker 01

  No, I don't think so. There's all of that crazy stuff going on. But I think just like, you know, to remember that it looks all very superhuman, but it's just a girl underneath it all.

• 50:55Lewis Howes?

  Just a girl looking at a boy. What's that line? What's that line?

• 50:59Speaker 01

  Asking him to.

• 51:01Lewis Howes?

  What movie is that?

• 51:02Speaker 01

  It's Notting Hill.

• 51:04Lewis Howes?

  Is that Notting Hill? Oh, that's here.

• 51:06Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 51:06Lewis Howes?

  We gotta go to Notting Hill soon.

• 51:07Speaker 01

  You do.

• 51:08Lewis Howes?

  I gotta go check it out.

• 51:09Speaker 01

  You should go.

• 51:10Lewis Howes?

  I've been there before, but I gotta go take some photos.

• 51:12Speaker 01

  Go see The Blue Door.

• 51:15Lewis Howes?

  What's the line? Is that what the line?

• 51:17Speaker 01

  Just a girl standing in front of a boy, asking him to love her.

• 51:22Lewis Howes?

  I love that we're in London.

• 51:26Lewis Howes?

  Okay, so we can follow you on Instagram.

• 51:29Speaker 01

  Instagram, yeah.

• 51:31Lewis Howes?

  Even though you want to be less famous, maybe?

• 51:32Speaker 01

  I'm gonna be maybe like sort of drifting away from all of that sort of thing soon.

• 51:36Lewis Howes?

  Maisie underscore Williams.

• 51:38Speaker 01

  Maisie underscore Williams, yeah, on most social platforms.

• 51:40Lewis Howes?

  So if you guys, before she goes away from social media, go follow her right now. Take a screenshot of this video or audio, tag her on the Instagram story. Let her know what you enjoyed about this the most. I'm sure she'd love to hear the thoughts and feedback on this. So make sure to tag Maisie and let her know. I've got two final questions for you. This is called the three truths.

• 52:00Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 52:01Lewis Howes?

  So imagine it's your last day on earth 100, 200 years from now. You have superhuman strength, you live as long as you want. But then one day, you gotta call it quits, right? You gotta move on to the next chapter.

• 52:16Lewis Howes?

  The next scene, if we want to keep it in theme there. You've done it all. You listened to your 51-year-old self who said, "Go adventure, go do everything, meet everyone." You did everything you wanted to do. You lived the most incredible life of your dreams. You look back, you have zero regrets.

• 52:33Lewis Howes?

  And you get to leave the world with three lessons, three truths, that this is all they would have to remember you by. From every lesson and experience you've had, the people you've met, the things you've loved, the losses, everything. Three things you get to leave behind for the world to remember you by. What would you write down as your three truths?

• 52:53Speaker 01

  I think the first would be...

• 53:00Speaker 01

  I don't know how to put it into words. I guess it's like, how I'm remembered by other people means nothing unless I feel good about myself. So I don't know how I turn that into like-

• 53:14Lewis Howes?

  So kind of like the opinions of other people doesn't mean anything unless you feel good about,

• 53:18Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 53:18Lewis Howes?

  unless you love yourself.

• 53:20Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 53:21Lewis Howes?

  I like that. That's a good truth.

• 53:23Speaker 01

  The second, take care of the people around you. Put out good energy into the world. Be a beacon of light even in some like real dark days that we're going through right now. I think the last one would be to look up when you're

• 53:47Speaker 01

  in the world. Because I don't do that.

• 53:57Speaker 01

  And I think that we can all learn a lot from

• 54:02Speaker 01

  realizing how beautiful this world is.

• 54:06Lewis Howes?

  I want to acknowledge you, Maisie, for opening up. Thank you for sharing, even though I know you said you didn't want to be this vulnerable.

• 54:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:14Lewis Howes?

  So I acknowledge you for your gifts, for being a beautiful young woman, for caring deeply about people. Because I think that's an incredible superpower, that most people don't have empathy like you do. So I acknowledge you for that. And I acknowledge you for waking up, just realizing that way of living wasn't powerful for you and it wasn't helping anyone else. And now you can do some beautiful things in the world, even more so. So I acknowledge you for all of this. Thank you very much.

• 54:41Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 54:42Lewis Howes?

  I have one final question.

• 54:43Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 54:44Lewis Howes?

  And that is, what is your definition of greatness?

• 54:49Speaker 01

  My definition of greatness is that feeling.

• 54:53Speaker 01

  The feeling of not being able to be brought down. And it's not arrogance and it's not disregarding other people's feelings. But greatness is a feeling that you can achieve anything, you can be anything. It's that feeling that will get you to that through that next hurdle. Greatness to me is like your best day. When you wake up and, and you know, my three truths that I spoke about, like you're gonna do every single one. And it's gonna be like no sweat and it's gonna be just a beautiful day. Greatness is that feeling that you get.

• 55:30Speaker 00

  Hmm, amazing. Appreciate you. You rock. Thank you.

• 55:34Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 55:34Speaker 00

  It's amazing.

• 55:40Speaker 00

  There you have it, my friends. I hope you enjoyed this interview with Maisy Williams. Such a young, incredible star who is tapping into her heart in a big way and inspiring the world. So grateful for her for sharing and for all that she's up to. Make sure to check her out on Instagram. Take a screenshot of this podcast. Let her know what you thought. Just shoot her a tag over there on your Instagram story. Leave a comment on some of her stuff and send her some good vibes and some good love her way. If you want to listen to the full video or watch the full video, you can go to lewishouse.com/784 and watch there. Make sure to subscribe to us on YouTube. If you listen on Spotify, you can listen to us there as well, SoundCloud and all the other places that podcasts are listed.

• 56:25Speaker 00

  Make sure to leave us a review. If you enjoyed this, please leave a review. It helps us spread the message of greatness far and wide. So head over to your iTunes app or your Apple Podcast app and leave us a review over on School of Greatness. I know some of you are struggling. Some of you are dealing with emotional anxiety, stress, overwhelmed. Some of you are dealing with insecurities. Some of you are dealing with depression and other challenges. And Oscar Wilde said, "To love oneself is the beginning of a lifelong romance." I can't emphasize how important it is to take care of your own heart and your own thoughts and your emotions. The things you say about yourself, you manifest.

• 57:07Speaker 00

  So if you talk negatively and continue to say how ugly, how stupid, how unlucky you are, how undeserving you are of love, then you will manifest and create that in your body and in your environment. I used to be this way for many, many years. It used to cripple me. It used to always be anxious, stressed, overwhelmed. I used to always beat myself up emotionally and it manifested in other ways. You are so deserving of love, but it's your choice and you have to choose in every moment to love yourself or not. I choose to love myself.

• 57:47Speaker 00

  It's something that takes a lot of practice and was weird and unfamiliar when I started to do it because I never really felt like I was deserving. But when you start to develop the habit of love for yourself, it starts to become a norm and you look back after the years of doing it and you say to yourself, why did I ever beat myself up? Why did I ever doubt myself? Why did I ever question that I was deserving of love? It's something that is foreign, but then becomes so familiar and you're so grateful when you're in that state. So I want to remind you that you can have the most incredible romance if you just start loving yourself.

• 58:32Speaker 00

  And this doesn't need to be some egotistical love, but it can be a calm centered love, knowing that you are worth deserving of that love. And as Maya Angelou said, as you grow older, you will discover that you have two hands, one for helping yourself, the other for helping others. I think both are equally as important, but it's really hard to serve other people and humanity when you don't help yourself. I love you all so very much and you know what time it is. It's time to go out there and do something great.