625 Transform Your Struggle into Strength with The Bella Twins

THESE SUPERSTAR TWINS COULD NEVER HAVE IMAGINED THEIR LIFE TODAY. One of the things I love most about how the world is growing is how the boundary between genders has been crumbling down. It used to be that a woman’s place was only in the home. More and more that stereotype is being disproven. Women are entering more and more areas that wouldn’t have been imaginable when I was younger. When I was a kid, when you’d think wrestlers you’d think Hulk Hogan or Randy Savage. Now you think of people like today’s guests: Nikki and Brie Bella. These two sisters are a true inspiration to the next generation of women. They are the definition of girl power and show that anyone can achieve greatness in anything they want. If you haven’t heard of the Bella Twins, they are WWE Superstars, Reality TV stars, and fashion designers. I felt so fortunate to sit down with them and have them tell me everything they know about greatness, which is a lot. So much, in fact, that this interview went longer than most episodes. I couldn’t stop, and I know you’ll love every moment of this one. Nikki and Brie told me how they went from small town farm girls to superstars. They talk about the adversity they went through, struggling in a toxic home environment, and even Brie losing her high school sweetheart to a drunk driver. Discover all of that and much more, on Episode 625. Some Questions I Ask: How did you get to think bigger than the farm life? (16:06) When did you audition for Diva Search? (24:15) In four days you had a contract with WWE? (29:16) Why were you nervous to be on Total Divas? (36:15) How do you know when to say no to something? (45:48) What was the moment that you cried the most? (54:16) When did you start to go down your spiritual path? (1:00:19) Did you go on your spiritual journey at the same time? (1:04:26) What’s the biggest lesson you both learned from your mom? (1:11:34) Has there ever been a point where you guys disconnected? (1:23:20) What are you most proud of your sister for? (1:28:02) In This Episode You Will Learn: What they dreamed about growing up (10:17) Their first job at Hooters (22:00) Why you should go to a WWE show (30:52) How long training was (32:30) Their morning routines (38:35) What it was like leaning on the job (50:23) The biggest lesson their father taught them (56:17) What it was like for Brie to lose her high school sweetheart (1:03:02) Their childhood regrets (1:08:00) What it’s like being in a relationship with inspiring, powerful men (1:15:03) Advice to coming of age girls who are feeling overwhelmed by the world (1:24:36) The feedback they have for each other (1:34:52) Plus much, much more Get more from Lewis! Get my New York Times Bestselling book, Make Money Easy! Get The Greatness Mindset audiobook on SpotifyText Lewis AIYouTubeInstagramWebsiteTiktokFacebookX

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• 0:00Lewis Howes?

  This is episode number 625 with the WWE Superstars, the Bella Twins. Welcome to the School of Greatness. My name is Lewis Howes, former pro athlete turned lifestyle entrepreneur. And each week, we bring you an inspiring person or message to help you discover how to unlock your inner greatness. Thanks for spending some time with me today. Now let the class begin.

• 0:32Lewis Howes?

  Paulo Coelho said that if you only walk on sunny days, you'll never reach your destination. And I agree with that so much that we must be willing to move forward, no matter what struggle we go through, no matter what adversity we face. If we want to achieve our dreams and our goals and the life that we've always dreamed of, then we must be willing to move forward through any type of adversity. Not retreat back, not go hide in a cave or in your bed all day, but continue to move forward one day at a time. The Bella Twins are on today, and I'm so excited for what you're about to hear. We went a little longer on this one because they had so much information I wanted to dive into.

• 1:15Lewis Howes?

  And if you don't know who the Bella Twins are, they are WWE Superstars. They're real-life twin sisters, Brie Bella and Nikki Bella, and they both were former Diva Champions. And the Bella Twins made an appearance on the 25th anniversary of Raw on January 22nd. They started a YouTube channel that has over 1.4 million subscribers, and they also have two businesses together, Birdie B Clothing and Bella Radici Wine. They started their own YouTube channel to help build their own personal brand. They've got over 1.4 million subscribers. There are millions that follow them on social media, and they've also got two businesses that they run together.

• 1:56Lewis Howes?

  And in this interview, we talk about how being athletes as a kid prepared them for being entertainers as adults. Also, how to handle being judged constantly in the public spotlight. They've got two reality shows. People are following them everywhere. Also, how to say no to most things so you can be fully present for the best things. Why it's good to learn the hard way and to go through these struggles and challenges, and what their partners have taught them about career and success. This is a powerful one, guys. Make sure to share it with your friends. The link is lewishouse.com/625. Take a screenshot of this right now on your phone and tag me on

• 2:37Lewis Howes?

  your Instagram story. Also, tag the Bella Twins on Instagram and let them know that you're listening. And in this episode, we also talk about how they've been able to build their own personal brands and build their businesses around their brands, the struggles they've gone through as teenagers, the loss they've gone through, and where they're at now and where they're headed. I'm super excited about this, guys. I hope you enjoy this one with the one and only Bella Twins.

• 3:08Lewis Howes?

  All right, welcome back everyone to the School of Greatness Podcast. We have the legendary Bella Twins in the house. Nick, Bree, Bella. Thank you, guys, so much for being here.

• 3:15Speaker 01

  Thank you for having us. We're excited.

• 3:17Lewis Howes?

  I'm just, I'm excited to be in your presence. I'm already feeling the twin vibe, the twin magic. It's like, it's all coming together. So, um, welcome to the podcast and congrats on everything. You guys have been blowing up. You've been making a big impact. You guys have your own brand. You've been WWE superstars for years now. You've got your businesses. You've got your YouTube channel. Is there anything you guys haven't done yet?

• 3:41Speaker 02

  Take over the world. That's next.

• 3:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's on the list.

• 3:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, fully.

• 3:45Speaker 01

  Be on the cover of Forbes.

• 3:47Speaker 02

  Oh, that's, yeah.

• 3:48Speaker 01

  I don't think they've ever had twins on Forbes, have they?

• 3:50Lewis Howes?

  Ooh, I don't know.

• 3:52Speaker 01

  Twin moms. Moms.

• 3:55Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, as in.

• 3:56Speaker 01

  Are you telling us something? Are you pregnant?

• 3:57Lewis Howes?

  Are you?

• 3:58Speaker 01

  No. Breaking news here.

• 4:02Speaker 02

  No, we're talking about futures stuff.

• 4:03Lewis Howes?

  There you go. Yeah, that'd be cool. So when you're a mom, then you guys can do that, right?

• 4:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:09Lewis Howes?

  Do you want to be a mom?

• 4:10Speaker 02

  I do want to be a mom.

• 4:11Speaker 01

  Well, I guess I think, just you know, growing up,

• 4:11Lewis Howes?

  You do? Why?

• 4:14Speaker 01

  you always have that like perception of, oh, I'm a woman and I'm gonna grow up and be a wife and be a mother. But I was also very nurturing to the girl to my right. And every time I try to throw a keg party, she shut it down.

• 4:27Speaker 02

  I do.

• 4:27Lewis Howes?

  You must be the younger sister.

• 4:29Speaker 01

  Oh, she is. Yes.

• 4:31Lewis Howes?

  Right?

• 4:31Speaker 01

  Look at you. I know. So she'd let me have it for 16 minutes and then she'd be like, that's it, no more. But the minute Bree had her baby girl Bertie, it's when I really felt that unconditional love. And I'm not even her mother, but I kind of feel like I am. But I just have this love for this little girl that's insane. And so that made it very strong of me wanting to be a mother.

• 4:56Lewis Howes?

  And you're 11 months now?

• 4:58Speaker 01

  11 months.

• 4:58Lewis Howes?

  11 months. So that's when you said, that's when you said like, I want this more.

• 5:01Speaker 01

  Yes. And the fact that us women get to experience the miracle life, I think is just incredible. Right, well, you went on a journey with me big time. Through my pregnancy, she was in labor room with me.

• 5:12Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 5:12Speaker 01

  Which was a great form of birth control, by the way. Being in labor with her.

• 5:15Lewis Howes?

  The watch is screaming.

• 5:16Speaker 01

  I think I'm good. The stuff I saw, I was like, why did I take the leg? Don't ever take the leg, Gags.

• 5:24Lewis Howes?

  How long were you labor for?

• 5:25Speaker 01

  Um, almost 22 hours.

• 5:27Lewis Howes?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 5:28Speaker 01

  And so I started off with a natural birth. But I was 10 days late and I had to get induced. My placenta started to deteriorate on one side. And so when I was getting induced, I'm like, yeah, I'm gonna do this naturally. And they were all like, mm, usually women don't do like getting induced naturally. And I was like, I could do it. And after nine hours, I was like, you gotta be kidding me. I can't do this anymore.

• 5:48Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, I mean, you're a superstar, but birth is a whole nother thing.

• 5:52Speaker 01

  And let me tell you something, like, I have all these moms come up to me and they're just like, that match was incredible. The way you jumped off those ropes, the way you went through the ropes, all these different things. Now I'm gonna be like, no, no, no, no. You went through labor. Like, that's the biggest match I've ever had in my life, was literally giving birth to Bertie.

• 6:09Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 6:10Speaker 01

  It was pretty incredible. But actually, something funny, which I don't think anyone knows, is towards the end, her friend, when I was, yeah, when I was pushing. So I pushed for three hours. Brian was here.

• 6:21Lewis Howes?

  Three hours.

• 6:22Speaker 01

  Brian was right here and Nicole was here.

• 6:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:25Speaker 01

  They were yelling so loud like.

• 6:26Speaker 02

  Not yelling, we were chanting.

• 6:27Lewis Howes?

  No way.

• 6:28Speaker 02

  You were an athlete, so you know we were like, one, two, three, four. Cause we felt like if we did that, like Birdie was gonna get excited.

• 6:35Speaker 01

  And I didn't wanna be mean and like say, can you guys like not scream? Cause I was kinda like, it was cute.

• 6:40Speaker 02

  We ended up doing it for like an hour straight. But then Brian and I laughed later about it, cause we both go, why did we start doing that? It wasn't like we planned it. I think we were just so amped up, cause I was like, Birdie, I've been in labor with you for like 20 hours at this point.

• 6:52Lewis Howes?

  You did it for yourself too.

• 6:53Speaker 02

  Let's do this.

• 6:54Lewis Howes?

  Give it up.

• 6:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:55Lewis Howes?

  Amazing.

• 6:56Speaker 02

  Which made us like more exhausted. Brian and I were so drained. I was like, oh my god. I like, when I see photos of myself, I'm like, I look like I went through labor.

• 7:05Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 7:06Speaker 02

  It was crazy. My hair was a mess. My eyes were so tired. I'm holding Birdie like, I can't believe.

• 7:12Lewis Howes?

  Amazing. Wow. It's inspiring. It's inspiring.

• 7:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, it is.

• 7:15Lewis Howes?

  Now, did you guys imagine when you were kids growing up, did you guys have dreams like this? Like you wanted to be a mom yourself and you wanted to be superstars in WWE? Was this part of the dream? Cause I know you guys played soccer. You wanted to play soccer?

• 7:28Speaker 02

  We both did.

• 7:29Speaker 01

  You know what was crazy is like, I always try to go back and think about what were my dreams as a kid? Cause really, nothing ever stood out to me. Like I remember, I think like all kids, I wanted to be a veterinarian so I could help animals. And I think that was like.

• 7:41Lewis Howes?

  I don't know if that's all kids.

• 7:42Speaker 01

  Right. They were like, you know, like, please officer, fire, fire, veterinarian, like.

• 7:47Speaker 02

  I was like, can I be Vivian Leigh from Gone with the Wind?

• 7:49Speaker 01

  Actually, yeah. Nicole wanted to be in Gone with the Wind.

• 7:53Speaker 01

  But it's crazy, cause we played competitive soccer and we were traveling to like California a lot, New Mexico, Utah.

• 8:01Lewis Howes?

  It's select team, right? Select team?

• 8:02Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 8:03Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 8:03Speaker 01

  But like, if you would've told me when I was a kid, like I would be able to see New York City, I would have thought you were crazy. Let alone see like Paris and Italy. And then if you would've told me that you're gonna get paid to go wrestle in all these different countries around the world, I would've said, yeah, right.

• 8:17Lewis Howes?

  You're right.

• 8:17Speaker 01

  So I never even imagined that I would be a WWE superstar or I would've done anything great or even have done anything like outside of the state of Arizona. Like, so where I'm at today is just, it's mind blowing.

• 8:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:30Speaker 01

  Mind blowing.

• 8:30Speaker 02

  Mine, it's funny, cause I was the biggest tomboy. Like, I mean, I was the girl that would wear like umbrellas to her knees and the soccer shoes. Like I would like.

• 8:39Speaker 01

  I'd wrestle all the guys at lunch.

• 8:42Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 8:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:43Lewis Howes?

  I wanna win, alright?

• 8:46Speaker 01

  She would challenge them all.

• 8:47Speaker 02

  I would. They'd all go in a long line. And I'd literally go one, two.

• 8:50Speaker 01

  There's my sister.

• 8:51Speaker 02

  Yeah. The only one I couldn't beat, and you might be familiar with him, is Lyle Sedline. Hannah playing for the Cardinals. Oh, okay. Yeah, so he was always the one boy I couldn't beat in sixth grade. But I'm like, Hannah being a pro football player, so okay, that's fine. But what's funny is I was such a tomboy, but then if you were to go back home into my room, I would like staple, because I always had a dream that like, I would love to touch Chanel, like their products or whatever. So I was at a garage sale one time and they, this woman, like she had her products in like a bag and she was selling it. I was like, oh, can I have that bag, not like, like the carrier bag for products? She's like, sure, 25 cents. I'm like, okay. And like, so I had that stapled on my wall and Marilyn Monroe posters. And like loved Gone with the Wind and like all the classics.

• 9:36Speaker 02

  But I was this big tomboy. And then I would actually watch the E-Channel all the time and it was fashion when they'd only do like fashion shows. And so I told Bree, I'm like, you know, I think I want to be a supermodel. Okay, so here's this athlete. Yeah. That was nowhere near being a supermodel. I mean, Bree's like, oh, that's sweet. It's like, you can do it.

• 9:59Speaker 02

  And it's not like I ever like tried for it, but I always thought like, gosh, that would, I just loved how they walked down the like catwalk. I thought that was so strong.

• 10:06Speaker 01

  Like I saw Cindy Crawford and Claudia Schipri.

• 10:09Speaker 02

  Naomi, yeah, Naomi Campbell. Like I just thought it was the coolest thing in the world and I loved fashion. Yeah. But it was weird because then I was happy to put on my umbrellas and my soccer shirt and that's like how I left my room.

• 10:20Speaker 01

  But it's crazy because when you look at the full circle where we're at today, my sister and I too, like in middle school, my parents, boxing was really big. So they'd have these big parties. And we'd say, when there's a halftime, we would like to dance to the Spice Girls for everyone. And my parents were like, are you sure? And we're like, yes, we have a performance. I still can't believe we'd do it. So we dressed up. I was always posh Spice and Nicole was sporty Spice. And we would lip sync to the Spice Girls. But then it was like, we had such this natural ability to play sports.

• 10:49Speaker 02

  Right.

• 10:50Speaker 01

  So my parents saw both the entertainment, Nicole and I loved to entertain. And when we went to high school and they're like, yeah, there's a drama class. Nicole, I'm like, oh, a drama class? We're like, this is gonna be so much fun. And I think that's why when.

• 11:02Speaker 02

  Merman Summers and I dream, we're like, oh, we would love to be that. And then when we found out like there had to be rehearsals for it, we're like, but that's when we have soccer. And my parents were like, no, you can't do it. Soccer first.

• 11:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, but it's crazy because then when WWE came along, it was like, finally, we connected to something that had both the athletics and the entertainment. And Nicole and I didn't grow up on WWE, just in our house, like.

• 11:25Lewis Howes?

  Wasn't your thing.

• 11:26Speaker 01

  No, and my parents, like, literally, it was soccer practice, or we were out feeding all the horses we had. We had a pig, we had two goats.

• 11:34Speaker 02

  Our chagrin.

• 11:36Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, we had two cows, like.

• 11:38Speaker 02

  We had a cow when it was two days old.

• 11:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:40Speaker 02

  This doesn't make sense. We lived on an acre lot.

• 11:43Speaker 01

  Well, our backyard was an acre.

• 11:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, our dad just turned it into like this farm. And so before school, we'd wake up at like 5:00, 5:30 every morning to feed all the animals and um, we had a calf that was two days old. And so Bree and I were like, it's mom. So we'd have to take turns every morning.

• 11:58Speaker 01

  Two big bottles like this.

• 12:00Speaker 02

  Like even bigger than that. So imagine putting all like the powders, it'd be early in the morning, we'd be so tired, shaking up the bottle.

• 12:05Speaker 01

  Shake the big bottle and get all over your school clothes.

• 12:07Speaker 02

  Grab its head and, but then he was like a dog test. So he would follow us around everywhere, even when he became a big cow. He had some horns.

• 12:14Speaker 01

  But T-Bone and Maple too.

• 12:16Speaker 02

  He would lay, remember, we'd like lay on his stomach. It was the cutest.

• 12:20Speaker 01

  So that was like.

• 12:21Lewis Howes?

  Do you have photos of this?

• 12:22Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 12:23Lewis Howes?

  I gotta see these.

• 12:24Speaker 01

  I mean, for show and tell, I like came to school for my show and tell, I taught everyone how to saddle up a horse.

• 12:29Lewis Howes?

  No, you brought the horse or you brought the saddle?

• 12:30Speaker 01

  No, I brought all these pictures and I brought the saddle and like I explained like everything you do and but that was like our growing up, like TV just didn't exist in our household.

• 12:40Speaker 02

  We'd ride the horses in the alleys.

• 12:41Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 12:42Speaker 02

  When we'd get in trouble, where the schools were at. And they're like, you can't ride your horses around here. And we're like, why?

• 12:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:47Speaker 02

  We thought it was so fun.

• 12:48Speaker 01

  We would build forts. Like it was, it's crazy how we actually like grew up. Because you look at Nicole and I now and people are like, oh, these are like city girls, you know? And it's like, oh, well, I mean.

• 13:00Speaker 02

  Country girls.

• 13:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, like, it's just funny because we never saw our lives like bigger than what our backyard was with the farm animals, like.

• 13:09Lewis Howes?

  How did you get beyond that then mentally? How did you start to think bigger?

• 13:13Speaker 01

  It's weird because I kind of felt like it's when we moved to San Diego after high school.

• 13:17Lewis Howes?

  You moved for college?

• 13:19Speaker 02

  Yeah. And yeah, we wanted, and I think Bree and I went through so much, like our senior, well, I would say sophomore through senior years when we just started, like, parents got divorced, and then there was certain things that started happening to us, and I think we were craving a fresh start. So it was like, we literally moved a week after graduation. My mom was like, "That's it?" And we're like, "Bye, we're out of here." And I think we just, at that point, didn't want to look back.

• 13:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, our house, like, it was, um, just like, our parents divorced had brought just like a really unhappy home. It was unhappy before, then it was just a little chaos after.

• 13:56Speaker 02

  Toxic, huh?

• 13:57Speaker 01

  Very toxic. And then it was like, my high school sweetheart passed away my senior year. Yeah, and it was just like, when we thought things couldn't get worse, they kept getting worse. And her and I thought, like, okay, we could stay here and really dwell about all this, or her and I were like, "Let's just get our shit and go." And that's, that's what we did. And we actually had zero game plan at first, except like, when you graduate high school, you go to college, right? So Grossmont Community College we went to, we dormed at San Diego State, but we needed jobs. And so we became Hooters Girls. And so at 18, it was like a spot where we're like, "We'll make a lot of money." And alcohol was okay, because what was it, beer and wine?

• 14:38Speaker 02

  Beer and wine.

• 14:38Speaker 01

  So you could be 18, yeah.

• 14:40Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 14:40Speaker 01

  And, um...

• 14:41Lewis Howes?

  You could serve at 18.

• 14:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, exactly. And so we became Hooters Girls. It was crazy because we actually met a lot of girls who were in our situation, like, kind of from broken homes and kind of looking for something. And they're actually our best friends today. It's incredible how, like, strong we are, um, all together. But, um, that's how we got introduced to the WWE, is because we'd show their pay-per-views. Now, the best thing is, no one wanted the customers, because they'd come and sit for like, almost three hours with chili fries and a Coke.

• 15:10Lewis Howes?

  Wash, yeah.

• 15:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I'd be like, "Oh, I know I could be making so much more money in these, like, three hours." So we'd all hang around and watch the pay-per-views, because your, you know, your tables were sitting there watching. And so, because during the football games, it's like... That was chaos for us because you know you're slinging wings every 10 minutes. Like where it was the WWE pay-per-views, we all sat and watched.

• 15:31Lewis Howes?

  Chilled out, had a conversation.

• 15:33Speaker 02

  And I feel like my journey was a little different, like when it came to, so here you have these dreams like when you're young. But I guess I was always so soccer focused. And so like I looked up, I mean, I thought Mia Hamm was the coolest person in the world, the best. And when she came out with the Michael Jordan commercials, those inspired me as a young girl when she was like, anything you can do, I can do better. So I would look at the boys like, yeah, I could be better.

• 15:57Lewis Howes?

  Let's all wrestle everyone, yeah.

• 15:58Speaker 01

  Tell me about the letter you found in 7th grade about what you wanted to be. You just found it the other week. No, Strong Woman.

• 16:07Speaker 02

  Oh, I did. So I just, I went, had to go through my storage and I found this like letter. And I was, Bree and I, it was one year I had to go to like these soccer camps and it was our first time being apart. So we would write letters to each other and I was telling her like, like I really want to be like a strong woman. Which I was shocked that I wrote this stuff and I loved Carla Overbeck and Mia Hamm and how these women are. And that girl, I even wrote, "Girls don't need men." I'm like reading this like, oh my gosh, like I guess I kind of had it inside me this whole time and I didn't even realize I had those slots then. But I was like, yeah, go a little more.

• 16:45Speaker 01

  About what I wrote.

• 16:46Speaker 02

  And then Bree writes on the paper that I sent her, she wrote around everything I wrote and she goes, "Sorry, I want to save papers, so I'm writing around."

• 16:55Speaker 01

  So I'm writing around with this.

• 16:56Speaker 02

  And I never knew she was really like that when she was young. I was like, oh my gosh, I had to color me like, Bree, you wanted to save trees even in middle school.

• 17:03Speaker 01

  Hilarious.

• 17:04Lewis Howes?

  Plants, animals, everything, right?

• 17:06Speaker 02

  Right, yeah.

• 17:07Lewis Howes?

  Humanity.

• 17:08Speaker 02

  Totally. And so I guess my dream was always focused, like I want to be in the World Cup one day. It was always being a professional soccer player. And I had that opportunity come to me. It was the beginning of my senior year in high school and there was an opening on the Arizona Heat Wave. And I had talked to the coach and like you have to come, the pro team in Arizona. And I was gonna play at ASU and then I snapped my leg in half. Literally like a week before I was gonna sign for a scholarship. And this was like four weeks before her boyfriend was killed.

• 17:37Lewis Howes?

  Oh my gosh.

• 17:38Speaker 02

  So it was like we had as twins like this, this month of where like all our dreams like were shattered. And for me, I was like, I was just focused on soccer. And so when we had this motivation to like leave a week later, mine was just like leaving this small town, but when you only have a dream of this one thing. And all I wanted to do was be on this grand stage, but be like a competitor. And like, I really loved at a young age, competing hard and getting that reward. Like the reward, the reward wasn't fake. It was like you had to earn it. And when you got that trophy, you were like, this is the greatest thing ever, because I worked hard for it. Like even when I was, when did I win Mutton Bustin and beat all the boys and girls?

• 18:17Speaker 01

  We were like in second grade.

• 18:19Speaker 02

  We were in a rodeo riding wild lambs and I wanted to win. I remember like having that feeling. She came in last and I literally came over and I wouldn't even let go of this lamb, this poor lamb. The clowns trying to run after me, telling me to let go, but I really wanted to win. And I wanted to beat like all the boys, because they made the boys and girls go together.

• 18:38Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 18:39Speaker 02

  But so it's crazy how certain things you can go through that changed your dreams or the direction of your life. And so then when we both went to San Diego, like, well, what do we do now? But we knew like what we always liked was entertainment or being in California. And then there was Hooters. And then there was Hooters.

• 18:59Lewis Howes?

  How long were you at Hooters for?

• 19:00Speaker 02

  And then there was WWE.

• 19:01Lewis Howes?

  Two years.

• 19:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 19:02Lewis Howes?

  And right after that was WWE?

• 19:04Speaker 02

  No, so that we moved to.

• 19:05Lewis Howes?

  That's when you found out about it. So that planted the seed a little bit.

• 19:09Speaker 02

  It did.

• 19:09Lewis Howes?

  Were you even thinking then like, oh, we could do this?

• 19:11Speaker 02

  Oh, no way.

• 19:12Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 19:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, you couldn't even have paid us enough to like say like, oh, by the way, in this, this amount of time, you're gonna be a professional wrestler. I would've been like, you're crazy. There's no way.

• 19:21Lewis Howes?

  So you weren't even thinking about it? It wasn't even a thought? You were more thinking of what, doing the acting thing or modeling in LA?

• 19:26Speaker 02

  We actually, we had thought, like thought about that. I was like, okay, give school a chance. And then when I was in like school and I'm like, oh my gosh, I feel like I'm wasting time. Like I just, we have very creative minds. So I'm like, I could be doing this or I could be going here. But then the soccer coach reached out and he's like, hey, is your shin healed? Like, why don't you just walk on Grossmont? And I'm like, well.

• 19:46Lewis Howes?

  You're gonna go to college there, right?

• 19:47Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm. I'm like, well, maybe should I? And I'm like, okay. And then he's like, well, you need to go run the mile and get timed. I'm like, wait.

• 19:54Speaker 01

  I'm not prepped for this, but I walked on the team. We went to state. I got MVP and so I was on my way of going to play pro ball in Italy. I know, crazy how things were.

• 20:04Lewis Howes?

  You played for two years then with them, or?

• 20:06Speaker 01

  I just did a year.

• 20:06Lewis Howes?

  One year.

• 20:07Speaker 01

  You know, I was the oldest at that point when I got there. So we were in Grossmont, we dropped out. We went back. It was like a few year period of time.

• 20:15Lewis Howes?

  Did you need one year and then they were like, okay, you can go pro?

• 20:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:18Lewis Howes?

  Wow, that's pretty impressive.

• 20:19Speaker 01

  And so he, that coach, he was, he was amazing.

• 20:22Lewis Howes?

  But you didn't want to go?

• 20:24Speaker 01

  Well, I convinced her not to go.

• 20:25Lewis Howes?

  Oh.

• 20:26Speaker 01

  Because of wrestling, actually. But it's crazy because she, we both went to LA for a little bit. And then she came back to Grossmont to play soccer. And I stayed in LA and I was dating a guy here. And all of a sudden, Diva Search came up and something WWE was doing. They were on a search for like women wrestlers. And so when it came to my attention, I'm like, I know WWE just because of my Hooters days.

• 20:49Lewis Howes?

  Watching, yeah.

• 20:50Speaker 01

  And I was like, I remember those girls. And you know, when, we actually were watching it. The girls were wrestling and there was like some fun stuff going on. And I was like, kind of thinking to myself, so I was really doing my research. And I'm like, oh yeah, this is like so for Nicole and I. So I called her up and I'm like, hey, we need to go to Diva Search. I know you want to go play pro ball in Italy, but just come with me. If you don't like it, you can go.

• 21:15Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 21:15Speaker 01

  So we actually, we went to Diva Search and it was here in Los Angeles.

• 21:19Lewis Howes?

  What year is this, 2000?

• 21:20Speaker 01

  2006, I think.

• 21:22Lewis Howes?

  Uh huh.

• 21:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was 2006, right? Or 2005? Well, we graduated 2002. No, you're right. 2006. Yeah. A lot of craziness happened between that, 2002 and 2006. Back and forth, LA to San Diego, dropping out of college, going back to college. Yeah. Then going into soccer. Just a lot of like loss, trying to find ourselves. Yeah.

• 21:43Lewis Howes?

  For like five years, four, five years, trying to figure it out, like what are we going to do with our lives?

• 21:46Speaker 01

  Totally. Just having this new freedom and, and making good money. And so we.

• 21:51Lewis Howes?

  Having opportunities and the different stuff in LA and what's going on, yeah.

• 21:54Speaker 01

  Oh yeah. And the biggest thing is her and I trying to figure out what do we want to do with our lives? Because we had no idea. Like, people would ask all the time, like, "So what do you want to be when you're older?" And I'm like, "I don't know." Like, just like, living the life right now.

• 22:09Speaker 01

  Travel? I think I always would say that, travel. And so, when we showed up to Diva Search, though, it was kind of way different than what we expected. And, like, Nicole and I made these shirts. It said, "Breezy for Cheesy, Nicole for Show." And we had, like, torn-up jeans and these, like, shorts to go with them.

• 22:26Speaker 02

  By the way, when you say "for show," it's not like "for show," it's like, "for sure." Like, this is Nicole, like, you know it. Yeah, she says it like as a, I'm like, "for show."

• 22:36Speaker 01

  But it was spelled S-H-O.

• 22:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, like, that's how you say it. But how you say it, you make it like I'm putting myself on Show, like, oh.

• 22:43Lewis Howes?

  No, for sure.

• 22:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, like, for sure, exactly.

• 22:45Lewis Howes?

  For sure.

• 22:45Speaker 02

  She says it weird, right? Yeah.

• 22:49Speaker 02

  I'm always like, "Oh my gosh, you act like I'm putting myself on a pedestal, like Nicole for Show," or whatever.

• 22:53Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 22:54Speaker 02

  Anyways.

• 22:54Speaker 01

  But...

• 22:55Lewis Howes?

  You were lost for a few years. And you went there with these shirts.

• 22:58Speaker 01

  And sneakers.

• 22:59Lewis Howes?

  Thinking that was gonna get it hap- make it happen, or what?

• 23:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, to be honest, we thought we were gonna get in the ring and, like, really, like, have to go at it with people and, like, claim your spot. We had no idea. That's what we were thinking. Because we're athletes, like, we're like, "Yeah, we're ready for this." Like, whatever. We got it. We might come out with bumps and bruises, but no big deal. But it was way different.

• 23:18Lewis Howes?

  What was it like?

• 23:20Speaker 01

  Nicole and I always say, it kind of looked like just a bunch of go-go dancers to where we actually thought we were in the wrong spot.

• 23:24Speaker 02

  I was so mad at her when we actually first got there.

• 23:26Speaker 01

  We got in the biggest fight before we even could make it in. And then it was actually hilarious, because the girl who was in front of us said, "I thought the same thing," and her name was Leila. And she actually won the whole thing. And she's like, "I was supposed to go..." She was a Miami cheerleader for the Heat, and they had just won. And so she kind of was like, "We have our parade this week, and I'm missing my parade, and I'm confused." Like, I kind of thought we were supposed to wrestle. So us three kind of stuck to it, like, stuck together because we all kind of had the same mentality. But they didn't want twins, like twins just wasn't to go through. It was kinda hard for them because it's like we have 10 contestants. What happens? Are you guys together? Are you not? So Nicole and I were kinda like bummed out. We're like, okay.

• 24:06Speaker 01

  But then, actually KP is the one who like pulled us aside and like really, she saw something in us.

• 24:12Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 24:12Speaker 01

  And she like talked to us and she was like, let us send you to deep south and like, we really want you guys.

• 24:19Lewis Howes?

  That's Florida?

• 24:20Speaker 01

  We want to do something, yeah. And get in the ring.

• 24:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, Bree, you can't say deep south.

• 24:23Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 24:23Speaker 02

  No, deep south, like, McDonough, Georgia.

• 24:25Speaker 01

  Sorry.

• 24:25Speaker 02

  Not Florida, yeah.

• 24:26Lewis Howes?

  Gotcha.

• 24:26Speaker 01

  McDonough, Georgia.

• 24:27Lewis Howes?

  Which is like more like a training ground?

• 24:29Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 24:29Lewis Howes?

  Let's get you some practice reps or figure out like who you're gonna be and...

• 24:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, the developmental system.

• 24:35Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, yeah. So you went down there for how long?

• 24:37Speaker 01

  So we went down there just for four days, was it?

• 24:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:41Speaker 01

  Four days. And the minute her and I got in the ring and we were just like doing some stuff, we were like, oh my gosh, yes.

• 24:48Lewis Howes?

  Fell in love.

• 24:48Speaker 01

  We fell in love so much and then we were having fun.

• 24:51Speaker 02

  It was literally love at first sight.

• 24:52Speaker 01

  It was.

• 24:53Lewis Howes?

  Like magic.

• 24:53Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 24:54Speaker 01

  Literally. Like we, like, actually it's funny, Bill Demont, who was the coach there at the time. So we came the next day to him and we're like, so we were wondering if we could do this and this. And then we thought like maybe we could walk out with one of the guys and be like this. And he was like, what? He's like, wait a second, you've been here one day.

• 25:10Speaker 02

  We're like, oh yeah, but we want to be, you guys are having a show tonight, right? Like, we could totally do something for the show, like, it'd be so fun.

• 25:15Lewis Howes?

  What is that? Don't be a coach.

• 25:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, so I was on one of like the tallest wrestlers who had a cape, like, they had him like hold the cape like this. And then he opened it and Bree and I were like, we'd pop out. Oh my goodness.

• 25:26Speaker 01

  But her and I, I'll never forget, we went back, actually, before I say that's the funniest thing. Everyone's like, well, the only restaurant in town is Hooters. And we were like, yes.

• 25:35Speaker 02

  You know, you guys wanna go to dinner there? We're like, sure.

• 25:37Lewis Howes?

  We'll wrestle and then we'll be waitresses and we'll do the same thing.

• 25:40Speaker 01

  Exactly. And so her and I would go back to our hotel room and practice moves. And like, we ended up like breaking a couple of things that we had to apologize for. Just like, um...

• 25:51Speaker 02

  TV.

• 25:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:53Speaker 02

  And then...

• 25:53Lewis Howes?

  We slammed each other's face or something?

• 25:55Speaker 01

  We were like practicing stuff like that. We thought we could go the next day and show off and be like, you know, like...

• 26:00Speaker 02

  And it like, we hit the dresser and then the dresser like made the TV knock off. And like it hits the floor and we're like, oh no, what do we do? That was crazy.

• 26:09Speaker 01

  Crazy, but it was awesome because at the end of the tryout, both WWE and Nicole and I, we all knew it was a perfect match.

• 26:16Lewis Howes?

  Really? So after four days?

• 26:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, but that's not like a perfect match to go to TV. Just to like get a contract and be able to go to developmental.

• 26:24Lewis Howes?

  Wow, so in four days you had a contract with the WWE?

• 26:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, verbal, yeah.

• 26:29Lewis Howes?

  So start working in the developmental league or whatever it's called?

• 26:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, and so her and I so excited to get back on the plane and tell our family like we are going to become pro wrestlers. Yeah, and everyone's like mouths dropped. And her and I were in serious relationships at the time and everyone was like, no. I think everyone said no. There wasn't, maybe JJ, our brother was like, awesome!

• 26:52Lewis Howes?

  Everyone said you shouldn't do it or what?

• 26:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, everyone, my grandfather, he was just like, look at you two. Like you're supposed to be wives and mothers, like not hurting yourselves. And we're like, we're not, like this is like perfect for us.

• 27:05Speaker 02

  Well, and I think too, people unless you know like wrestling or you've been to a live event, people have such a perception of wrestling and WWE. And it's funny because I always will bring different type of people to our events who have never experienced before and every single person says the same thing, like that was the most fun I've ever had or that was crazy. Like they get the most amazing experience. And so I feel like because none of our family grew up as wrestling fans or watched it, they had a perception of it. So Bree and I actually got to go experience it. We're like, no, you don't understand this. What they do is amazing and it's so cool and you get lost in these stories. And they just didn't understand it. And I was like, you guys just need to go to a show, like trust me.

• 27:47Speaker 02

  And so it's just that perception, which is now being in the industry for 11 years and I still will hear people, I'm like, you don't get it, like you need to go to a show.

• 27:54Lewis Howes?

  It's funny, I feel like I missed the boat when I was younger because I never watched wrestling growing up. And so I never really got into it. And so I still haven't gotten into it really and like watched it. I'll watch like the highlights and I'm like, that's a pretty cool move. And I remember when, what's it, Lucha Libre came out? And I went to Mexico City the year afterwards, actually, and went to a, like, a luchador match. And it was fascinating. And I told myself.

• 28:17Speaker 02

  They're like acrobats.

• 28:17Lewis Howes?

  It was unbelievable.

• 28:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:19Lewis Howes?

  And I said to myself, I'm going to become a professional luchador, and I'm gonna be like the only American down here in Mexico City, wrestling around the country, because I was so fascinated by it.

• 28:27Speaker 01

  The tallest luchador.

• 28:27Lewis Howes?

  Exactly, exactly. But it was fascinating. And I still haven't watched WWE that much, except for just a little highlight scene here and there, but I can only imagine being there live, the feeling.

• 28:38Speaker 01

  You need to come live, or you'll be hooked.

• 28:40Lewis Howes?

  I would love to. I'd love to come see you guys sometime.

• 28:42Speaker 02

  I mean, when you think about it, there's nothing in the entertainment world, or even sports entertainment world, that's like it, that you can go to this show, and like, we encourage you to get involved. So here, come out, like, multiple people, two people, and there's this bad guy, and there's this good guy, and like, you're either gonna like one or the other, or they're gonna tell you some story that's gonna make you cheer, boo, or chant stuff, and then all of a sudden, you realize.

• 29:06Lewis Howes?

  You're invested.

• 29:07Speaker 02

  You're invested, and you're lost in this show. And then you like leave, like, that was like the best Broadway, because I gotta yell and scream and like.

• 29:14Lewis Howes?

  I saw athletes.

• 29:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, athletes in these amazing costumes, and pyro, and lights, and that hooked me big time. But then I loved the in-ring work. I think that was so fascinating of the athletic ability, because I never realized that. Because you know, we're entertainers, was, you don't realize how athletic everyone is.

• 29:33Lewis Howes?

  So how long was the training for you guys then, to really kind of pick up the athleticism and learn everything about it?

• 29:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, gosh, it took us, so we didn't get to TV till 14 months after we signed.

• 29:44Lewis Howes?

  Still pretty fast, right?

• 29:46Speaker 01

  It is. And we still were learning. Actually, you learn even more when you're on the road.

• 29:50Lewis Howes?

  Oh, sure.

• 29:50Speaker 01

  And almost thrown in the fire, because it forces you to just instantly use your intuition, and actually make things look real, because you're really reacting and doing all these things. But I mean, I still feel to this day, I'm still learning and it's been over a decade.

• 30:03Speaker 02

  Well, when you work in front of a live crowd and then you have, not only do you have a live crowd, but you have these millions of viewers tuning in.

• 30:10Lewis Howes?

  You guys have the ultimate skill because that is so challenging to be able to, to be able to be magnetic in front of a live audience. And also be able to know where's the camera and how can I connect to the audience at home?

• 30:21Speaker 02

  Right.

• 30:21Lewis Howes?

  So they're seeing my good side or you know, I'm not behind all the time, whatever it is. You guys are trained professionals at an extremely high level to be magnetic all the time. That's hard to do.

• 30:31Speaker 02

  It is. It's very challenging.

• 30:33Speaker 01

  And it's, in the beginning, it was so scary.

• 30:36Lewis Howes?

  I can imagine.

• 30:36Speaker 01

  Because there's not a take two.

• 30:38Speaker 02

  Well, because you have the five cameras, you have the million of viewers, it's live, the live crowd, and then you have Vince McMahon watching gorilla. So it's like triple whammy beyond. It's like, alrighty, I can't mess up.

• 30:50Lewis Howes?

  Nothing. Yeah. Wow.

• 30:52Speaker 01

  But you know, the neat thing for Nicole and I is that we were the first identical twin girls to have her debut. And instantly for her and I, like, it was crazy how where we're at now, our journey really, you know, started at WWE and the platform we were given there. But her and I really had to put our heads together because the hardest part we had in the beginning was the creative for like Nikki and I to go forward. It was always about being twins, twins, twins. But as you could see, and when you heard about us growing up, we were so different. And it was hard for us to all of a sudden, at 23 years old, get now put into, we had to talk alike, dress alike. Everything. And so we really had to start thinking about like branding ourselves and we were just like,

• 31:34Speaker 01

  okay, so I literally was just in L.A., you were in San Diego, now we're back together, now we have to be uber twins. Like, it was hard for you and I. It was kind of hard at first.

• 31:44Speaker 02

  Oh, very difficult.

• 31:44Speaker 01

  And even our weight was different. And like, we had to battle.

• 31:50Speaker 02

  No, I just had to eat a lot less. This one could eat. I couldn't even eat what she ate. I was like, seriously? You stay like that, eating that?

• 31:58Speaker 01

  Not anymore.

• 31:59Speaker 02

  Oh, babe.

• 32:00Lewis Howes?

  Baby changed, makes it harder, right? Yeah, yeah.

• 32:03Speaker 02

  It was hard, really tough.

• 32:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, but it was crazy because you think about our beginning years at TIPW and everything. We had to start teaching ourselves. Like, it almost felt like all over again, we had to teach ourselves how to be so identical. But then her and I were kind of like, after a while, we just were like, we need to change this. Like, there's so much more about us than just like saying like, "Hi, we're the Bella Twins," like at the same time. And that was like hard for us until Total Divas came along. And then like finally, everyone got to see like the difference of the Bella Twins.

• 32:35Lewis Howes?

  So you started becoming your unique selves.

• 32:37Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 32:37Lewis Howes?

  Rebranding yourselves.

• 32:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:38Lewis Howes?

  Your own identity, essentially.

• 32:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, because people never knew like, okay, Nikki loves like a lot of glam, like nice things.

• 32:48Speaker 02

  A lot of glam?

• 32:49Speaker 01

  Well, like, I mean, like glam is in nice clothes, like certain things, and I'm more of a tree hugger. Like, you know, like, nobody knew any of that kind of stuff.

• 32:57Speaker 02

  I like to save trees, too.

• 32:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, one Louboutin at a time.

• 33:02Lewis Howes?

  Exactly. Gotcha.

• 33:04Speaker 01

  And it was really neat, like Total Divas, when it came, that Nicole and I, you know, we were so nervous to do the reality show, but...

• 33:11Lewis Howes?

  When was this? When did this start, the show?

• 33:13Speaker 01

  Gosh, five years ago.

• 33:14Lewis Howes?

  Why were you nervous to do it?

• 33:16Speaker 01

  Putting your lives out there.

• 33:17Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 33:17Speaker 01

  It's scary.

• 33:18Lewis Howes?

  The reality show is a whole nother level.

• 33:19Speaker 02

  Immediately, you're, you just know you're gonna be judged. That no matter what it is you do, people are gonna love you and people are gonna hate you.

• 33:27Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 33:27Speaker 02

  And like, you have to be okay with that.

• 33:30Lewis Howes?

  And they're gonna spin things the way they want it to be for good TV.

• 33:32Speaker 02

  Right. And how the world will perceive you, like, I don't like how she lives, or I don't like how she talks, or I don't like how she walks, or how she dresses, or I don't like how she eats her food, or I don't like how her and her sister are, or you have the opposite. I love how they are. Oh my gosh, I could relate to them. And so you just know that no matter, I could act like Mother Teresa all I want.

• 33:52Lewis Howes?

  It doesn't matter.

• 33:52Speaker 02

  It doesn't matter.

• 33:52Lewis Howes?

  You could save every tree in the world.

• 33:54Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 33:54Lewis Howes?

  Like, Brianna, it doesn't matter, right?

• 33:55Speaker 02

  And they're like, she's so annoying. Like, she saves so many trees.

• 33:58Lewis Howes?

  Right?

• 33:59Speaker 02

  But, you know, so that was, I think, the scariest part was just the feeling of like, "Okay, I'm going to be judged constantly."

• 34:07Lewis Howes?

  How did you guys handle that?

• 34:09Speaker 01

  In the beginning, it kind of rocks your world a little bit. You're just kind of like-

• 34:13Speaker 02

  Because social media, you could see everything.

• 34:15Lewis Howes?

  Every tweet, everything.

• 34:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, and you think to yourself like, don't take it personal, but it's hard not to. And like, it affects you, and you're like, this, you can't let this affect you. The person might have had a really bad day.

• 34:26Lewis Howes?

  It's so hard to think that way.

• 34:27Speaker 01

  And, but now, it doesn't at all. Now, it's like, kind of, we let everything roll off us, but at the end of the day, we're like, the whole world's not gonna love you. It's half of it's gonna hate you, half of it's gonna love you, and that's okay.

• 34:39Speaker 02

  And I think everyone goes through this, and I think, because of social media, and I think it's important to go through it, is you're gonna go through that tough time of like, it's okay to be upset about seeing hate about you, and stuff that you feel is like, not true. And I think I had to go through that period of time of where I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm totally getting bullied online, this is crazy. And having those feelings of being so down, because then it made me be like, wait, why am I letting these people affect me? One, I don't even know these people, but why am I letting them affect me? Like, this is crazy. Like, I'm proud of who I am, and you know what? If these people don't like it, then bye.

• 35:15Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 35:15Speaker 02

  And then, so it started to give me this shell of like, like, I almost like to call it like my superhero cape, of like, feeling untouchable, like, you can't affect me anymore. And then I feel like, once you get that way, it's crazy how much better you become as a reality star, or being in the spotlight, because you're just not affected.

• 35:35Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. Do you have a morning routine or ritual where you think something specific like that? Or, you know, both of you, where you're constantly preparing yourself for what's to come? Because you have so many things happening, two shows, mom, you know, the rest of the brand, the business, everything, all the attention that's coming your way. Do you have some type of ritual?

• 35:54Speaker 01

  Gosh, you know, my husband and I used to be so good at meditating, and we actually said, we need to get back into it, because since we've moved to San Diego and all that, we've been so bad. And I literally bought this book the other day to get back into meditating.

• 36:06Lewis Howes?

  Which one? About meditation?

• 36:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, but it's this whole system of like, stuff you eat. Um, I'll think about it in a sec.

• 36:12Lewis Howes?

  Got it.

• 36:12Speaker 01

  I literally just bought it two days ago.

• 36:15Speaker 02

  The one that you showed me?

• 36:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:17Speaker 02

  Oh, I can't remember.

• 36:18Speaker 01

  I know. I just, that's gonna kill me. It's like on the tip of my tongue. But I do believe in like meditation and breathing techniques. I think it helps take all the negativity out.

• 36:28Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 36:28Speaker 01

  And bring the positivity in. And one thing my husband and I also do is like, I have to remind myself of all the positives that are in my life. And all the positive thoughts. And I think at times like we linger and we hold on to all the negativity. And the negative things going on that we just let the positive things go by, or we let negativity erase it all. And I'm like, no, no, no, I'm not gonna let negativity win like so. Always at night, I have to, we remind ourselves, let's think of all the positive things that happened today. And I do that when I start my day, especially having a baby around. She can't talk, but she feels my energy and I don't want her to feel negative energy.

• 37:02Speaker 02

  Yeah. I'm kinda like every time I make my coffee in the morning, because that's the first thing I love to do that is. I always just think, God, what am I thankful for today? And I always try to put that in my head and that's like one thing I always do. It's funny because I have 10 a.m. set for meditation and it always alerts, but I'm always busy. I'm not gonna lie. I'm like meditation, that's right. Okay, meditation, thank you for just reminding me that I need like at least it gives me the moment.

• 37:28Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 37:29Speaker 02

  And it's not a full five minutes or 10, but it gave me a moment where I'm grateful. And then I'm not even gonna lie, like when I see 11 11, I like to make a wish, but I always say something I'm grateful for. Like I've turned it into that. And so the, this is literally has become such a routine of mine. Cause I was starting to feel the same way as Bree, like I was working so hard that it's becoming very unbalanced. And I think that's sometimes when negativity gets held on to because you're just so.

• 37:55Lewis Howes?

  Overworked, overwhelmed.

• 37:57Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 37:57Lewis Howes?

  Everyone's pulling your attention.

• 37:58Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 37:59Lewis Howes?

  Everyone wants something from you.

• 38:00Speaker 02

  Big time. And I was starting to get that way and I was like, I'm spread so thin right now and this is not even healthy.

• 38:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, the biggest thing we had to realize to become more successful was saying no to more things.

• 38:11Lewis Howes?

  That's the key. It's so hard.

• 38:13Speaker 02

  So hard.

• 38:14Speaker 01

  Cause you feel like you're missing now.

• 38:15Speaker 02

  You just learned this, like, I mean.

• 38:17Lewis Howes?

  I've known this for years, but I, I can't, I haven't been on a mastery yet.

• 38:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 38:22Lewis Howes?

  There's so many good opportunities.

• 38:23Speaker 01

  And you feel so much better, like it's crazy because.

• 38:27Speaker 02

  And you're better at a lot of the other activities, right? Because you said no to some instead of showing up tired for a bunch.

• 38:33Lewis Howes?

  For everything, yeah.

• 38:35Speaker 01

  And that's exactly what we finally realized, because her and I like don't wanna miss an opportunity. We feel like we have enough energy to do it. But then finally, I was like, we don't. And

• 38:44Lewis Howes?

  So what do you say no to and what do you say yes to?

• 38:46Speaker 01

  So for example, I'll use this latest.

• 38:49Speaker 02

  Oh, great. You like, go like this and I never know what's happening. I'm like, what's happening?

• 38:54Speaker 01

  So her and I went to Paris and we filmed at her bachelorette. Then they literally want us

• 39:00Speaker 02

  I'm proud of that decision.

• 39:02Speaker 01

  They wanted us to land and do Ninja Warrior and they go straight to Steve Harvey. But I told them, I can't do Ninja Warrior.

• 39:07Lewis Howes?

  Wait, you did Ninja Warrior?

• 39:08Speaker 01

  No, she did.

• 39:10Lewis Howes?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 39:11Speaker 01

  But I told them no to Ninja Warrior.

• 39:13Lewis Howes?

  Dance with the Stars, Ninja Warriors.

• 39:14Speaker 01

  I know. Because I wanted to have time with my baby. I wanted to get all my good energy back. And I wanted to have an easy travel day to Orlando to do Steve Harvey because I wanted to be refreshed. So, but she was like, I got it, like bam bam bam. And I was like, okay. I'm like, these are the times you should be saying no. And she's like, no. But then, it's like, she was so exhausted and freezing cold. And then all of a sudden, her flight, she's at the airport, her flight's supposed to take off at, what, midnight? Was it? Then all of a sudden, it's 3 a.m. Then all of a sudden, she has to connect to Chicago, misses that. Next thing you know, I'm at Disney World, having fun, Friday morning, because my sister's still in Chicago, hasn't slept, still freezing from Ninja Warrior. And we're just waiting for her.

• 39:57Lewis Howes?

  For Steve Harvey or for?

• 39:58Speaker 01

  For Steve Harvey. So we keep getting pushed, pushed, pushed, to where she races off the plane. They pick her up. How they are doing our hair and makeup. For us running to

• 40:09Speaker 02

  My hair was, because I fell in the water for Ninja Warrior. And I, they had this crazy, like, French braid. So I literally was on the plane with drenched hair. Like, I was still wet.

• 40:18Speaker 01

  And she was exhausted on zero sleep. She had been on a

• 40:21Speaker 02

  So when they took my braid out, my hair was so wack. And they're trying to fix it and I'm like, whatever.

• 40:26Speaker 01

  Well, good thing I bought us mini ears.

• 40:27Speaker 02

  But

• 40:28Lewis Howes?

  There you go.

• 40:30Speaker 01

  Disney World. But the thing that, in that moment, that reminded me is she looked so stressed and exhausted. And I had a really fun time. I woke up in the morning, had a great breakfast, added coffee. The VIP people came and they go, you want to go on some rides? And I go, yeah.

• 40:45Lewis Howes?

  Let's do it, Space Mountain.

• 40:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I just, you know, and I just looked at the difference between her and I and our energy levels. And I'm like,

• 40:52Speaker 02

  If you just said no.

• 40:53Lewis Howes?

  But she got to do Ninja Warrior.

• 40:54Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 40:55Lewis Howes?

  And that's a pretty cool experience too.

• 40:57Speaker 02

  I do not regret doing it, even though I-

• 40:59Speaker 01

  You kind of did in the moment.

• 41:00Speaker 02

  Before, like, yeah. I was so exhausted and I was so jet lagged, but uh-

• 41:05Speaker 01

  And she was flying, by the way, can I just say? Right after Steve Harvey, she was flying to South by Southwest.

• 41:11Lewis Howes?

  Oh my gosh, I was-

• 41:12Speaker 01

  So it was not even like bedtime.

• 41:13Speaker 02

  It was like the most craziest week ever. But not only was it amazing doing Ninja Warrior, it was for the best cause ever, which I don't think- I never have been, I mean, I've been educated on Red Nose Day, but I I've never realized what they really do for kids. So that gave me this kick of like, oh my goodness. And then when I was doing the courses, element, there were moments of I was like, what am I doing? Why am I putting my body through this and my mind? But then when I would finish a course, yeah, the obstacle course, when I had finished like a course, I'm like, I mean, I was jumping on my ninja and I'm like, oh my gosh, I can't believe I did it. I felt like I had five hearts like beating so fast. It was like the best adrenaline rush ever. And then all of a sudden I look at the next course and I'm like, wait, what?

• 41:58Speaker 02

  And I'm scared of heights, so you're so high F. I couldn't believe this stuff. Like I have like, well, these are burns from Thanksgiving. I got burned so bad because I was hanging on by rope and I would not let go because I'm just so competitive.

• 42:11Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 42:11Speaker 02

  And oh, I-

• 42:12Lewis Howes?

  Your hands like ripped to shreds, yeah.

• 42:13Speaker 02

  My hands were gushing.

• 42:15Lewis Howes?

  Oh.

• 42:15Speaker 02

  Because when I finally fell on-

• 42:17Speaker 01

  You see when she showed up, I was like-

• 42:18Speaker 02

  I can't even do my nails right now. Like you could see all the marks, but literally because of what I fell on, all my fingernails like flipped back and like I scraped my hands so bad. And then I got in the water and that water is freezing.

• 42:33Lewis Howes?

  I can imagine.

• 42:34Speaker 02

  And I have to rush to a red eye and there was just no time.

• 42:37Lewis Howes?

  Bloody hands, fingernails, everything, yeah.

• 42:39Speaker 02

  Because of the weather, they had to keep postponing filming. And I'm like, oh my gosh, my flight-

• 42:43Speaker 01

  Just hearing it makes you want to go to sleep right now. It gets your energy.

• 42:46Speaker 02

  But whatever.

• 42:47Lewis Howes?

  So how do you guys choose though? Like when to say no to something? Because obviously you could-

• 42:51Speaker 02

  We're still kind of learning.

• 42:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, we still are learning.

• 42:53Lewis Howes?

  Because you could say, well, I want to say yes so I can live a life and and not regret doing all these things I got to do. Or we're trying to do these four or five things really well.

• 43:03Speaker 02

  Well, that's what we-

• 43:04Lewis Howes?

  And if we say yes to everything else, then they're going to suffer.

• 43:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 43:08Lewis Howes?

  Or my kid's not going to see me as much, or my husband's not going to see me, right? Or-

• 43:11Speaker 01

  Exactly. You do have to start say what's your first priority. And mine's always family. I feel like it's the only reason why- I've stayed humble and why, no matter what, everything could fail. As long as I have family, I have so much, like, I, I win, I win. But for her and I, we've had to sit down and go, because we have so many different brands and businesses. We're like, what's important? And for example, for us right now, we have amazing wine people behind Bell Redici. So for us, like, we don't have to fully put all our energy into Bell Redici.

• 43:43Lewis Howes?

  You have a team.

• 43:44Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 43:44Lewis Howes?

  You've got systems, you've got everything, yeah.

• 43:46Speaker 01

  But Birdie Bee.

• 43:47Speaker 02

  We always make sure to taste.

• 43:48Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 43:48Lewis Howes?

  Of course.

• 43:49Speaker 02

  I don't miss a taste.

• 43:50Lewis Howes?

  Hey, you'll be a part of that.

• 43:51Speaker 01

  And like, we're always part of the phone calls and everything.

• 43:53Lewis Howes?

  Of course.

• 43:54Speaker 01

  But Birdie Bee, I mean, that is Nicole and our baby. And that is something that we started from scratch. And we have a team.

• 44:01Lewis Howes?

  Is this the kids' clothing line, right? Or is this the, it's named after your, your, your child, right?

• 44:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, we actually, Birdie Bee was first.

• 44:09Speaker 02

  So technically, Birdie is named after Birdie.

• 44:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:12Lewis Howes?

  Oh, okay, got you, got you.

• 44:13Speaker 01

  But now that, Nicole and I always have to put first. And so if we have any other opportunities that come up, but it's like, it kind of goes whatever we're doing with Birdie Bee, we have to say no. And we just realized, like, her and I are like, there was a couple of months where we were saying yes to so much stuff, and Birdie Bee just kind of kept going down, down and down. And her and I just looked at each other and were like, what are we doing? Like, you can't just start a brand and then think it's like, okay. We started, so there you go. And her and I have learned so much in the last four months about, like, really just keeping your passion with your employees. Like, her and I show up at the offices to constantly let the employees feel our passion.

• 44:50Lewis Howes?

  So if you're not invested, why would they be invested?

• 44:52Speaker 02

  Exactly. Exactly, and I think too, that's one thing I've realized is, at the end of the day, they're employees, and this is Brian and I's passion, and this is our heart. And so if we thought we were being hands-on, but you have to be so hands-on when you're passionate about something. Because I think it's still hard for people to see it when it's not their, you know, their passion and they didn't come up with it.

• 45:15Lewis Howes?

  And if you're not there every day, they're like, well.

• 45:17Speaker 01

  I mean, they're just, they're making a paycheck. They want to go home to their families at the end of the day.

• 45:20Speaker 02

  Can't wait for five o'clock and they leave and like where I would say in an office probably till nine P M. If everything was done or the vision was right or this was perfect.

• 45:29Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 45:29Speaker 02

  But when it's not your passion, people don't do that. And that was, that's probably been the best learning experience. Is especially when you're hiring employees to hire people that believe so much what you do and really.

• 45:42Lewis Howes?

  Yep.

• 45:43Speaker 02

  Interview them and like know everything about them because I think that's what we've lacked on. And so it's made.

• 45:49Lewis Howes?

  You just want someone fast. It's like, we need this now.

• 45:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, you see a great resume.

• 45:53Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, come on.

• 45:54Speaker 02

  They can do these things, but then.

• 45:56Lewis Howes?

  I've been there too. I've struggled with that, yeah.

• 45:58Speaker 01

  And you know.

• 45:59Speaker 02

  It's tough. It's really tough.

• 46:01Speaker 01

  And it was funny because my mom's like, did you ask them to do a mock of five Instagram posts? A mock of like their marketing plan and Nicole and they were like, no, but their interview was so good. And my mom is like, you guys, but you know, it's a learning experience for Nicole and I. And even like, you know, when we first launched, all of a sudden like our plus sizes got pushed back to January first. And we were like, wait a second, do we not launch? And they're like, you guys have advertised, you've done this. Just say whatever. I'm like, no, you don't understand. Like this could ruin everything.

• 46:31Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 46:32Speaker 01

  We had no idea what to do, but it was our fault because a month before the launch, even though we thought everything was set, we didn't check up on it.

• 46:38Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 46:39Speaker 01

  Until like, literally probably like a couple of days before because we figured, you know, like you have employees and you figure it's all good.

• 46:46Lewis Howes?

  No.

• 46:47Speaker 01

  And, and I don't want to ever regret. I've moved past it. We're doing well and all this, but that first week I lost so much sleep, her and I both. We were like in bed and I was just like, how did I let this happen? Like, what, you know, and she was in Dancing with the Stars, so she was so busy. And I was in Washington State.

• 47:04Lewis Howes?

  You're both doing your thing, traveling, you got stuff going on.

• 47:06Speaker 01

  But you know.

• 47:07Lewis Howes?

  But you've invested so much of your money, your time, your energy into this.

• 47:10Speaker 01

  Yes. And I'm like, why did I?

• 47:11Speaker 02

  You want it to last forever.

• 47:13Speaker 01

  Yeah. And so it's funny like, but it's my first time like being this involved. And it's crazy how much I'm learning as a.

• 47:20Lewis Howes?

  You were probably weren't trained in the last fifteen years or twenty years on how to do this.

• 47:24Speaker 01

  Right.

• 47:25Lewis Howes?

  So you have to learn on the job.

• 47:26Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 47:27Lewis Howes?

  Essentially.

• 47:28Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. Oh.

• 47:29Lewis Howes?

  I've learned the hard way many times because I wasn't trained this way either. You're just like, I have this passion, this idea. I want to bring it to life.

• 47:34Speaker 01

  Right.

• 47:35Speaker 02

  But I sometimes feel like, I don't know if you feel this way, that it's sometimes good to learn the hard way.

• 47:40Lewis Howes?

  Absolutely.

• 47:41Speaker 02

  Because I feel like that gives you success over time, like that long term success.

• 47:46Lewis Howes?

  If it works from the beginning, that's not good, I think.

• 47:48Speaker 02

  Right.

• 47:48Lewis Howes?

  I think you want to struggle a little bit.

• 47:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 47:50Lewis Howes?

  Or at least have some adversity, so you say, oh, man, that's a good lesson. I don't want to do that again.

• 47:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 47:56Lewis Howes?

  I think we need some of that.

• 47:56Speaker 01

  Totally. I mean, we've had, what, two to three times where we thought maybe we shut down Birdie Bee?

• 48:01Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 48:02Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, you know, what's funny.

• 48:04Lewis Howes?

  You've got to be fully invested.

• 48:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:05Lewis Howes?

  You've got to be fully invested.

• 48:06Speaker 02

  You do, big time.

• 48:07Speaker 01

  The last three years, because we've hit, we hit some rock bottom points, and Nicole and I looked at each other like, how do we, like, our first time. We were just kind of led the wrong way, and we put all our apples into one person, and all of a sudden, their vision was way different and tried to execute it, and we were like, no, no, no, no, no. And then all of a sudden, it was like Birdie Bee went away. And we held on to it, but I was in my first trimester of pregnancy.

• 48:31Speaker 02

  Well, and this was pre-launch.

• 48:33Speaker 01

  Pre-launch. I was in my first trimester of pregnancy. I immediately the next day bought a ticket to Los Angeles, and I drove to all these different factories, because I needed to know more.

• 48:40Speaker 02

  And I did as well.

• 48:41Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 48:41Speaker 02

  We both on our days off.

• 48:43Lewis Howes?

  To find manufacturers.

• 48:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, because I needed to know about materials, because that was our biggest fight. It's like, we wanted premium materials.

• 48:51Lewis Howes?

  You didn't have the information at first. You trusted someone else to like, do that work, because they'd probably done it before.

• 48:55Speaker 01

  Yep. And we literally started at square one. So she was meeting designers, I was meeting factory.

• 49:01Speaker 02

  I was like, learning how to do like, panty patterns and stuff. I'm like, yeah, I'm like, I'm like, sitting with these people, and they're like, speaking Chinese to me. I'm like, okay, how do we do this? Because I didn't go to fashion school.

• 49:13Lewis Howes?

  Literally Chinese, probably.

• 49:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, seriously, I know, right?

• 49:17Speaker 01

  And it was crazy too, because we had to start learning this language. Like, they're like, I'll send you this swatch, the hand of this. And I was like, the hand of what? They're like, well, that means the feel of it. And I'm like, okay. And I'm like, pregnant and like, wanted to barf at every factory. I felt so bad because I was telling them. I'm like, oh. I just felt horrible, but I was like, Nicole, like, we have to do this. I remember I was talking, I called this factory in Northern California, because they seemed so up our alley. And this guy, he was like, you know, you're lucky to have some free time. But I picked his brain, he helped me. And then I go, can you like, run our company? And he's like, excuse me. And I was like, well, we need help. And he's like, I don't do that. He's like, but you're on the right track. He goes, it takes a while and I'll never forget. Like, and then he's like, let me just email you all this info.

• 50:02Speaker 01

  And I'm like, thank you so much. And, um, cause he probably heard it in my voice, like, my sister and I had a dream. We were kind of strong, we're long for a year. And then everything just almost disappeared. And Nicole and I were literally holding on to Birdie B like with such a strong grip. We're like, we're not letting this go.

• 50:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:17Speaker 01

  And then we were lucky enough, like, we had some really good people all of a sudden just pop up. And Nicole and I are very spiritual. And we just believe when you throw it out to the universe and you have that positive energy, like, it comes to you, like, like a magnet. You all of a sudden get these people pop up in your lives.

• 50:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, we always like to say, okay, so this is, it's always great for a book. Cause I feel like all the books you read, right? Everyone who's, you know, has amazing success or is extremely happy. They had all these struggles that you read. That's why they have this great book, cause you're like, look at what they overcame. So always when we have something like that, we always say, this is good for the book. So we're on the right path. This is good for the book.

• 50:52Speaker 01

  We're actually writing a book right now.

• 50:53Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah, it was really. It's like therapy, by the way. I am like, am I back in therapy? Because this is pretty crazy. It's a journey.

• 51:01Speaker 01

  It's a journey. I can't even know how much you cry. It's 2019.

• 51:04Lewis Howes?

  How much you cry? Not everywhere.

• 51:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 51:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, like, at least I never cry, like, that's, you know, our ghostwriter. And I was just like, I didn't think I was gonna come into the session day and bawl my eyes out for like, three hours.

• 51:15Lewis Howes?

  2019, you said?

• 51:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, as of now, January 2019.

• 51:18Lewis Howes?

  Ooh, coming out soon. What was the moment that made you cry the most?

• 51:22Speaker 01

  In my book?

• 51:22Lewis Howes?

  While talking about?

• 51:24Speaker 01

  My childhood.

• 51:25Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 51:25Speaker 01

  Oh, for sure. Especially my high school years. Um, I think, you know, it was funny, and we actually both were saying this. And, um, I'll probably make me emotional right now. Definitely from 15, my sophomore to senior year, I became a woman. And I realized everything after high school, everything I did, who I became, was because of those really hard years. And it's funny because, um, Like, my relationship with my dad isn't the best. We've reconnected now. And I hated him so much then. But if it wasn't for how rocky and bad our relationship was, I would have never become who I am today. So.

• 52:02Lewis Howes?

  Why did you hate him so much then?

• 52:04Speaker 01

  He wasn't a good dad, but my parents had us. You know, they got pregnant at eighteen. And my dad's a struggling addict. And so when you grow up with that, it's like you just, you know, you hate them for ruining your family, for breaking it up. And to this day, actually, I asked my dad the other day. I was like, would you write a chapter in our book? Because my dad, I mean, he'll admit everything. I'm like, I think the world would like to see like a really bad relationship between daughters and a father.

• 52:30Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 52:30Speaker 01

  And see where it's at now. And I told him, I'm like, I think girls need that, that you can repair a relationship. And my dad and I sat.

• 52:39Speaker 02

  And you can learn from them.

• 52:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, my dad and I sat the other day and we're just, I was like, Dad, I don't hate you anymore. I realized like, thank you. Like, thank you for putting me through hard times. Because because of that, I've become a strong, strong woman. And now I know with Bertie exactly how to like raise her. It took me, I'm thirty-four. And so it's taken me that long. But when I went through all those years, I just, it was the first time like I was just like, holy shit, Bree, like, those years are your golden years. Those are when you realize like, I'm not a little teenager who needs mommy and daddy. I'm on my own and how do I figure it out? And we both were saying that. It was really, it was emotional to talk about it.

• 53:18Lewis Howes?

  What was the biggest lesson your dad taught you?

• 53:20Speaker 02

  For me is independence. Everything that happened at fifteen, I became so independent. And I knew that I will never depend on another human being again, that I could do this all on my own. And, right, that's, I think, why we left a week later, because I knew like, leaving that house that week after graduation. I could be on my own, that no matter what, I will find a way to make it work. And we did that, like we, I found a way to pay for college and to pay for my books and to have fun and to have, pay for rent. And even when the accounts were getting low, I just always figured it out. And I feel like that was the best lesson my dad gave me because I've taken that into my career.

• 54:05Speaker 02

  So anytime there was a struggle or someone told me no, I was like, oh no, I'm gonna make it a yes. I'm gonna figure it out. And so that was like the greatest gift he gave me, even though it was so hard to understand. But I feel like we wouldn't be where we're at today if we didn't have that and have the independence too. Like it's a good feeling, never feeling like you have to depend on someone.

• 54:27Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 54:28Speaker 02

  Because the only person you could disappoint is yourself. When you disappoint yourself, well, it's tough, but then you wanna do better.

• 54:35Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 54:35Speaker 02

  And so that would be the best.

• 54:38Speaker 01

  And you know, my dad had a really bad childhood and I think as a kid, I, Nicole and I were always like, get over it, like get over it, like who cares, like look who you have now.

• 54:47Lewis Howes?

  Cause he would complain about things when he was growing up, about his childhood or about?

• 54:52Speaker 01

  And so, and that he would always blame his actions for that. But I think now it's like everyone does have a story and no one has a perfect life growing up. I don't care who you are, there's, there was something that happened to you that traumatized you or brought you down, yeah. And it's made me just realize that, like sometimes when someone has a mood with you or there's an issue, it's not the issue with me, it's the issue with them and their lives. And something that happened and I think I took things too personal at a young age. And now I feel like when I've gotten to my thirties, I take nothing personally.

• 55:24Speaker 02

  She was very stubborn and would hold grudges like no other.

• 55:28Speaker 01

  Big time.

• 55:28Speaker 02

  Anyone that made her upset, I'd be like, poor you.

• 55:32Lewis Howes?

  When you hold a grudge with someone else, you're drinking poison.

• 55:34Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 55:35Lewis Howes?

  Hoping that they're gonna die.

• 55:36Speaker 02

  Right, and so I really, yes.

• 55:39Lewis Howes?

  It's still a lesson I teach myself now, cuz I'll take things personally every now and then, and it'll, I'll feel my throat tighten up, my chest get tight, and I'm like, "Why am I holding on to this when I know it's not serving anyone?"

• 55:51Speaker 02

  Right.

• 55:52Lewis Howes?

  It's just hurting me and my vision.

• 55:53Speaker 02

  It's actually hurting you probably more than anyone else.

• 55:55Lewis Howes?

  And it's hurting my ability to live my vision.

• 55:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 55:58Lewis Howes?

  You know, to my purpose is slowed down when I hold a grudge, or I'm unforgiving, or I'm resentful, or any of these things.

• 56:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's so true.

• 56:07Lewis Howes?

  Because you can't live and flow if you're holding on if you're tight.

• 56:11Speaker 02

  It's true.

• 56:11Lewis Howes?

  You're stressed.

• 56:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, like our ghostwriter, and the publisher she's working with, they were like, "How are you guys where you're at after reading?" Like, after they read her childhood and everything that's happened to us, cuz there's so many stories.

• 56:24Lewis Howes?

  You're like, "That's why we're at where we're at."

• 56:25Speaker 02

  That's what I told them.

• 56:26Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 56:27Speaker 02

  They're like, "If you ended up being like drug addicts and like found on the streets, we probably understand after we've read this, like, we get it." But they're like, "You're not that," and I'm like, "That made me stronger." And if I could teach, like, that's why our book, it was kinda, I told Brian, like, "This is really hard to put it out there, but we're like, everyone goes through stuff, and some people do take that wrong path, and if we could help one person or five people turn that path around and go down the right path and take the hurt and make it strength, then, I mean, for us, it's winning, and so that's what we hope to do."

• 56:58Speaker 01

  Her and I were always the types in everything we did. We would never play a victim. We look at ourselves as survivors.

• 57:03Lewis Howes?

  Even as kids?

• 57:04Speaker 01

  Oh, all the time. We never, we never wanted to ever be that, and I think that's really helped us, because when you act like a victim, you're constantly losing. When you act like a survivor, you're constantly winning, and that's her and I. And that's always been our mentality in everything we've done.

• 57:19Lewis Howes?

  Amen to that.

• 57:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 57:21Lewis Howes?

  When did you start to go down your spiritual path? You said you're both pretty spiritual.

• 57:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, I really found spirituality when my high school sweetheart passed. My dad was an atheist, but my mom came from a religious family. But Nicole and I were young girls and we always wanted to go to church, even when our parents didn't. Yeah, we were always drawn to the church. Um, I think.

• 57:39Speaker 02

  And we very much felt our grandparents. And we were very much like our moms and dads growing up.

• 57:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:45Speaker 02

  And so I think we craved that because we felt their presence.

• 57:48Lewis Howes?

  Which grandpa?

• 57:48Speaker 02

  My mom's parents.

• 57:50Lewis Howes?

  The Mexican side of the family?

• 57:51Speaker 02

  My dad's the Mexican side.

• 57:53Lewis Howes?

  Got you.

• 57:53Speaker 02

  They're the Italians.

• 57:54Lewis Howes?

  Okay, got you.

• 57:55Speaker 01

  And so, but then I really found spirituality when Bear passed. And for me, it was like.

• 58:01Lewis Howes?

  You were 18 at this time, 17, 18?

• 58:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was a senior and um, it was actually, it's a crazy story because he passed and I'll never forget, it was months later and um, one of my guy friends, his mom, we were at his house swimming or something. She's like, Bree, can I talk to you? And I was like, yeah. I was like, oh gosh, we're gonna check on you, see if I'm doing drugs, if I'm okay, whatever. But she was like, I was at this angel store and this woman just started speaking about this spirit that was here and everything and it was Bear Bree and like, they brought up your name and she goes, I know you think I'm crazy. And I was like, I do. I think you are batshit crazy. She's like, but please, this is the lady's number, can you um, call? And I was like, I'm sorry, I don't believe this.

• 58:46Speaker 01

  But I took the number, took the card and I remember I was like, kept thinking about it, I kept feeling it, I was like, okay, I'll go listen. Like, what is it gonna do? And, and I'm a senior. So I went in there and I just sat down, I'm like, listen. Like, I'm not gonna tell you anything. You want me to be here, like. And she just opened up this whole new world to me. A world I didn't really like, connect to until then. And everything she was telling me, I was like, how did you know? And I know half the world thinks.

• 59:17Lewis Howes?

  Is she a medium or is she?

• 59:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, um, I don't know if they like to be called mediums because they speak to angels or whatever, so, but, but yes. And half the world doesn't believe that and there's another part that sees it. And um, but for me, it, it changed everything. It made me um. Look at Bear's death in a different way. It made me accept a lot of things. It made me all of a sudden just wanna like, go on a really like, good path and look at people in a really good way and really changed me in a good way.

• 59:48Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 59:49Speaker 01

  And, I mean, for me, spirituality, the one thing about it is, all it wants to bring is positivity. And I'm like, amen to that. I'll do it all day long. And it opened up my eyes and it really helped me cope with a lot of bad things in my life.

• 1:00:02Lewis Howes?

  How much did that affect you with that passing? Because I can only imagine what that would be like.

• 1:00:06Speaker 01

  It rocked my world.

• 1:00:07Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 1:00:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I think too, as a high school girl, you plan your whole life, right? With that person.

• 1:00:13Lewis Howes?

  How long were you in the relationship for?

• 1:00:15Speaker 01

  We started dating, we were together, gosh, I mean, not long, like probably, had to be like eight months, ten months, but I was so in love. It was my first love.

• 1:00:24Speaker 02

  We were so close.

• 1:00:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, we were together every day and I thought he was mine forever.

• 1:00:28Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 1:00:28Speaker 01

  And so, and I'm still close with his family to this day. He was amazing and he was someone who had... He was. And he was extremely talented and I think what was hard on me was like, why someone, he was seventeen and he was killed by a drunk driver. But I was like, why someone who had the whole world ahead of him? Like he had colleges wanting his art, he was a musician, like, all these great things where I had nothing. I was a girl who had no idea what she wanted to do with her life. Like, I was like, I'll follow Bear wherever he goes. That sounds good to me. But I thought someone had it all together. And, I mean, Starbucks had his paintings up, like, and Starbucks was kind of new at the time and like hip and like, we were like, whoa. Like that was like huge, Starbucks wanted artwork?

• 1:01:10Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:11Speaker 01

  And so for me, it was hard to like, understand how someone like that can be taken. And so, but I think through spirituality, I found like, there are reasons and we're all here for a purpose. And I just hope like, the way, I'll never forget her, Trisha touched me. I can touch other people in knowing like, there's just...

• 1:01:29Speaker 02

  Positive light everywhere and we have to look at the good in everything.

• 1:01:32Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. Did you feel like you went on a journey at the same time or have you found it a different time for you?

• 1:01:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was definitely around the same time, I think being identical twins when she started

• 1:01:41Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 1:01:41Speaker 02

  to get into it. Um, cause we shared a room too at the time. And so I saw a lot of the suffering that happened and it was crazy because I felt like I couldn't be there for my sister as much as I wanted to because I was in a cast from my hip to my toes because I literally broke my leg a few weeks before.

• 1:02:00Lewis Howes?

  So she was there for you and then you were trying to be there for her, but you couldn't walk.

• 1:02:03Speaker 02

  Oh, I remember like I had army crawl off my bed.

• 1:02:05Lewis Howes?

  Oh my gosh.

• 1:02:06Speaker 02

  Go on, cause she'd be crying so hard at night and I'm like trying to get to her and it was such a struggle. Cause I broke my leg really bad. I it swelled up so huge that they were like, we can't even open her up. So they had to do a papier mache cast, which was like the worst thing in the world. I thought like, oh, okay, this will be easy. My leg was so broken and my toes wanted to be like this and they go, so we just gotta go like this to try to make the bones. Cause it, they were like this.

• 1:02:35Lewis Howes?

  Oh my gosh.

• 1:02:37Speaker 02

  I was screaming on the top of my lungs. I had never felt pain like that. And the doctor finally had to stop. He's like, I'm gonna give her a heart attack. And so I was in that cast for two weeks laying in bed. Waiting to get surgery, waiting for my like leg to.

• 1:02:51Lewis Howes?

  Stop swelling.

• 1:02:51Speaker 02

  Yes. Then finally I had to get a rod and three screws put in.

• 1:02:54Lewis Howes?

  Oh my gosh.

• 1:02:55Speaker 02

  Oh, it was terrible. But I remember like her healing process, but when I, there was darkness. And then there started to become light and then she opened up to me about what she had been doing. And so then it made me want to feel that too, because I, I saw the change. And I felt like I loved Bear too. I saw, when I'd see them together, they were just so cute and happy and like Bear always made me feel good. And especially because we were just having such a tough time anyways in our childhood. Bear was just like this light, this angel that came into our family's world, how my brother felt about him, how our mom felt about him. Like it was this eight months of just light and then he was gone.

• 1:03:38Speaker 02

  But so when she started to get into all that, it made me want to experience it too. And then I remember when she took me into the store and the lady set a memory to me that I knew was only between that I knew of Bear. And that he would only know. And I was like, looked at her like, excuse me. And I remember looking at Bree like. You didn't, how does she know that? Remember the thing with the-

• 1:04:01Lewis Howes?

  You're like, "I'm in, I'm sold."

• 1:04:02Speaker 02

  I'm like, "Okay, so, let's talk." No, it was, it's crazy because it did start to make life so beautiful and you still go through ups and downs. It's not like a fool can change you, but once you know it's there, it's just so beautiful to know that you could just be sitting alone and that you could just talk and know there's people listening and there's angels watching over you and healing you and I feel like it's fully changed us. And it's kept us strong because I truly feel the true success is happiness. You could take everything away from me, but if I'm happy, I am fully successful. And I think when you stay that way, you don't get upset when you lose money, or you don't get the cute Chanel purse, or you don't get the big home,

• 1:04:45Speaker 02

  or you can't go on that vacation here, like whatever it is, because when you're happy, it's weird, none of that matters. Like, it doesn't even affect you. So, and honestly, I only get that because of spirituality. Like, that is the only reason.

• 1:04:59Lewis Howes?

  Do you guys have any regrets from your childhood?

• 1:05:03Speaker 02

  I actually have some.

• 1:05:04Lewis Howes?

  She's like, "No, no."

• 1:05:05Speaker 02

  This is like- So, when you don't have a lot of money or whatever, like, your parents just make you sit at home, right? And you just-

• 1:05:13Lewis Howes?

  In the backyard, sitting around.

• 1:05:14Speaker 02

  And you're like-

• 1:05:15Lewis Howes?

  Laying on the cows.

• 1:05:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, just being-

• 1:05:17Lewis Howes?

  Riding a sheep.

• 1:05:17Speaker 02

  You're right, like, the days would feel so-

• 1:05:20Speaker 01

  Watching reruns of Dynasty.

• 1:05:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, I wish I was more productive as a kid. I wish I learned piano or another language.

• 1:05:27Lewis Howes?

  Speak Spanish?

• 1:05:28Speaker 02

  Un poquito español, quiero entenderte.

• 1:05:30Lewis Howes?

  Aren't you like, close to the border?

• 1:05:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:05:34Lewis Howes?

  And Mexican?

• 1:05:34Speaker 02

  Seriously.

• 1:05:35Lewis Howes?

  You're like my girlfriend, my girlfriend's Mexican, she just speaks Spanish.

• 1:05:38Speaker 02

  So, no Spanish whatsoever, that's what I call it.

• 1:05:40Lewis Howes?

  Her parents speak it, but she didn't teach her.

• 1:05:42Speaker 02

  That's like our dad.

• 1:05:43Speaker 01

  We have two siblings that are fluent.

• 1:05:45Lewis Howes?

  It's a crime.

• 1:05:46Speaker 02

  It is. I agree.

• 1:05:48Lewis Howes?

  Your siblings are fluent?

• 1:05:49Speaker 01

  Well, my dad has, um, we have three half siblings.

• 1:05:52Lewis Howes?

  They're fluent.

• 1:05:52Speaker 01

  But two of them, they don't speak barely in English.

• 1:05:55Speaker 02

  But they live in Mexico.

• 1:05:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:55Speaker 02

  And their mom only speaks Spanish.

• 1:05:57Lewis Howes?

  Right, right.

• 1:05:57Speaker 02

  My dad, he's really...

• 1:05:58Speaker 01

  But I mean, we can't communicate to like, two of our half siblings.

• 1:06:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:06:01Speaker 01

  Like, I'm like, Bree, get with it.

• 1:06:04Speaker 02

  So I guess that is like my only regret is like, I think as you get older, you just, you cherish every day. And you see how quick they go, but you don't understand that when you're a kid.

• 1:06:14Speaker 01

  And you cherish education.

• 1:06:14Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:06:15Speaker 01

  When you're older.

• 1:06:15Speaker 02

  So now I think of all those days.

• 1:06:17Lewis Howes?

  I hate school, but now I love it, right?

• 1:06:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:06:19Lewis Howes?

  I love learning, but I don't like school.

• 1:06:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:06:21Speaker 01

  That's why I love podcasts, because I'm constantly learning. And I was like, why didn't I?

• 1:06:25Speaker 02

  But see, you choose, like, you have to think, school, you're forced to learn this stuff. You to put on a podcast you want to hear.

• 1:06:30Lewis Howes?

  Exactly. The reason I created this, the reason I created this was because I felt like this was all the stuff I wanted to learn while I was in school that they'd never taught me.

• 1:06:37Speaker 02

  I, I...

• 1:06:38Lewis Howes?

  So I said, I'm gonna go find the most brilliant teachers in the world who can teach the lessons of life. And business, and philanthropy, and all these things. So that I can learn everything I've always wanted to learn.

• 1:06:48Speaker 02

  Which I actually think it would be better for our youth to have it like that. Because I feel like it would give some of our youth more drive. Maybe some of them not to be as big as bullies, or just to be happier kids. Because I think there's so many people who go through broken homes and don't know how to deal with it.

• 1:07:06Lewis Howes?

  So many.

• 1:07:07Speaker 02

  You know, so many.

• 1:07:08Lewis Howes?

  I'm, I'm, I think almost, not everyone, but almost everyone, I feel like. When fifty percent of, you know, marriages are divorced. And then another probably fifty percent of people who are married who have toxic relationships.

• 1:07:20Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:07:20Lewis Howes?

  There's very few that I think who can sustain this positive, happy experience for their children.

• 1:07:25Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 1:07:26Lewis Howes?

  Their whole lives.

• 1:07:26Speaker 02

  Right, I agree.

• 1:07:27Lewis Howes?

  It's very rare.

• 1:07:28Speaker 02

  I agree.

• 1:07:29Lewis Howes?

  So we all face some type of trauma now. I remember just being in the other room, like, playing video games with my parents screaming and slamming doors and always yelling. And just that energy. Even if they didn't do it in front of me, it's like, you feel it, and you're just like, this doesn't feel safe.

• 1:07:42Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 1:07:42Lewis Howes?

  And I'm sure you guys witnessed a lot of stuff, I'm assuming.

• 1:07:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:07:46Lewis Howes?

  Or just felt that energy, that like tension all the time.

• 1:07:48Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:07:49Lewis Howes?

  And it affects us.

• 1:07:50Speaker 02

  It does.

• 1:07:50Lewis Howes?

  It affects all of us.

• 1:07:51Speaker 01

  And that's why I always have to remind myself to never bring any bad energy, like, business isn't doing good, into my house, because I don't want Birdie to feel that. Like, I always want her to feel like she's in a positive environment.

• 1:08:02Lewis Howes?

  Because she will feel everything right now.

• 1:08:03Speaker 01

  Yeah. Oh, I can tell, like, when I'm stressed out, I can see, like, all of a sudden she'll start slapping me in the face or doing something, and I'm like, she's feeling like not happiness.

• 1:08:11Speaker 02

  When she, when she actually tore mom's necklace off, so my mom's holding her, she actually tore my mom's necklace off, and my mom, still holding, Bertie comes up and goes, oh my gosh, Bertie just like, like tore my necklace off and blah, blah, blah, and then Bertie's staring at my mom and looking at us because all of a sudden Bertie just starts crying.

• 1:08:28Speaker 01

  She could feel that my mom was upset.

• 1:08:29Speaker 02

  She could tell you're upset, you're holding her, like, at least, like, go complain somewhere else.

• 1:08:34Lewis Howes?

  What's the biggest lesson you guys both learned from your mom?

• 1:08:37Speaker 01

  So my mom always taught us no regrets. My mom literally said, wake up every day with no regrets. And I honestly feel like that's why we took a bunch of leap of faith with everything we've done. Because her and I were like, okay, at the end of the day, so we failed. But it's better than what if, because I, her and I would definitely regret, like, what if we did that? Or what if, like, this, or what if that? And my mom always said, like, you guys don't want to live with regrets, so that was always like our little motto, no regrets, no regrets.

• 1:09:04Speaker 02

  I also, she also, I think, taught us communication at a young age. And made it to where, like, we were so scared to go to our dad about stuff, but my mom made it very open. Even though we could, there was a chance of getting grounded, but I remember specifically because she started that when we were younger, that I went to a high school party and everyone got drunk, and everyone got in a car to drive home, and I was supposed to go in that car. And I was like, you know what, that person drank, so I called my mom, I go, look, you're gonna be mad at me. I went to a high school party, I have had drinks, but so has the person I was supposed to drive with, can you come pick me up? And she was like, absolutely, and so she came and got me, I got in the car, she goes, you're still grounded, but.

• 1:09:47Lewis Howes?

  I'm glad you communicated with me.

• 1:09:48Speaker 02

  Yes, and like, the grounding wasn't even that bad, but it made me, like, I think of moments when people just get in the car and they would have just.

• 1:09:56Lewis Howes?

  Because they're afraid of what their parents are gonna say, or they're shameful or something, yeah.

• 1:09:59Speaker 02

  So her open communication, that I know the day I have kids, I'm gonna do that because I want them to call me in a heartbeat when something goes wrong. I want them to depend on me, know, like, okay, mom's gonna be there, like, she might ground us, but she's not gonna scream at us, she's not gonna hit us, she's just gonna handle it and handle it with grace, and then, exactly.

• 1:10:19Speaker 01

  Well, and that's what I feel too, is like, now that I'm a mom. Is that until I kick Birdie out of the nest, like I'm her teacher. I'm her guardian. Like I am these things and like that is my purpose. Like I'm supposed to watch and see like the things she's going through and help like I don't ever want to tell her how to be, but help guide her in the ways that when people guide me in business, the mentors I have for everything I do. It's what I want to be for Birdie. And so when at 18, when she's out of my house, she feels ready for the world. Cause it is a scary world, like when all of a sudden you're on your own, like Nicole and I, when we got a utilities bill, we're like, what is this?

• 1:10:54Speaker 02

  And I think that's the plus.

• 1:10:56Lewis Howes?

  It's still scary.

• 1:10:57Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:10:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:10:58Speaker 01

  It is.

• 1:10:58Speaker 02

  Even though we had way, no, we still have way too much fun. I get more than you now, but we've always had fun. I think that's also been a plus is like even when we got into WWE, when everyone was immediately worried about TV time and all that. Bree and I were just like, we, we could go to Europe. We're on a two week Europe trip and then like we're in Japan. Like everyone's like, would always say like, oh, the Bellas, the tourists are blasting their music or having their wine. But we're in our twenties and I'm like seeing, yeah, all over the world. And I'm like, so when all the girls are arguing, having their drama in the locker room and fighting over this stuff. I'll admit in the beginning, we weren't so focused on like trying to take that TV time because I'm soaking in that I have the greatest job ever

• 1:11:42Speaker 02

  because I'm seeing the world and I never, and not even on my dime. Like I'm getting paid to see the world.

• 1:11:48Lewis Howes?

  You get paid money every day. It's good money. Yeah.

• 1:11:50Speaker 02

  Yeah. Bree and I would never sleep on tour. We'd be like, okay, we can only sleep three hours. We have to wake up and go see, we're into Annette's castle.

• 1:11:57Lewis Howes?

  Otherwise you gotta pay for yourself to go back and experience it. Yeah. You're married and you're engaged, right?

• 1:12:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:12:03Lewis Howes?

  What has being in a relationship with these inspiring, powerful men helped you in your own personal lives, but also with your careers, your brands and your vision for your life?

• 1:12:14Speaker 02

  I have to say, John, he's been my biggest inspiration and mentor. It's crazy because I knew about business and where I wanted my brand to go. And I thought I knew a lot more about branding till I met him. And then he started giving me advice, which then made me want to pick his brain. And I was like, I'm so fortunate to have this amazing, successful man, but who's so brilliant and sees this WWE world so differently than everyone else. And he honestly like is a huge part of where I'm at today as a businesswoman.

• 1:12:52Speaker 02

  Because I would just listen and I would soak in everything and I was like, this is what my mom always meant about picking people's brains that are, you know, your elders or the business people, because she'd always say that and I think when you're younger, you're like, I'm not gonna go bug someone or you know, you always are afraid to bug. But then when I would bug John all the time, I'm like, I should have bugged more people like, I wish I could do it more to Vince, but I get intimidated by him because that is a brilliant man with a brilliant brain, but I'm fortunate that my fiance is one too. And literally, he's giving me the best advice ever. Like, I think why I run so hard and I don't say no to things. John always says 24 at a time. So I really do that in my life. I look at the next, yeah, one day at a time.

• 1:13:35Speaker 02

  So I look at the next 24 hours. What do I have to get done in these 24 hours and how am I gonna make it work? And then those 24 hours are done and I go to the next. And so as long as you see your three hours of sleep in there, your four, but you have this. Yeah, exactly.

• 1:13:48Lewis Howes?

  Get to work on it every day.

• 1:13:50Speaker 02

  Because I was like, how do, how do I make this happen? And he taught me those things and he also felt not only to teach me, but I think you as well, how to expand the brand, how to really know our audience and know that you have all these different audiences and how does your brand please all those audiences and worldwide and I'm so grateful for him because, I mean, he's probably one of, and I'm not just saying this because of my fiance, he's probably one of the most talented people I've ever met in my life. Like, all the way around. He amazes me. Like, he literally just taught himself piano. He's been, now it's been nine months, but off of YouTube.

• 1:14:25Speaker 01

  He speaks fluent Chinese.

• 1:14:26Lewis Howes?

  Fluent?

• 1:14:26Speaker 02

  He's fluent now.

• 1:14:28Lewis Howes?

  Oh my gosh.

• 1:14:29Speaker 01

  It's unreal. Every time I see him, at one point, you'll see him sitting down, going through his note cards.

• 1:14:33Speaker 02

  No, he still has stuff to learn with it, but yeah.

• 1:14:35Lewis Howes?

  But he can go to China and get around by himself and be fine as well.

• 1:14:38Speaker 02

  And he's taught me, he goes, Nicole, you can do anything you want if you put enough hours into it. And I was like, I don't know, John, but then I see those big hands playing Beethoven. I'm like, yeah, actually, I think you're right. I think I could do anything I want.

• 1:14:50Lewis Howes?

  The hulk is playing the piano, yeah.

• 1:14:53Speaker 02

  He will literally say, he goes, if you put 100 and blah, blah, blah hours, you can be like to hear, like, he's just so, I mean, he's mathematical, but how his brain works is just like unreal and I get to soak it all up and I love it. Yeah.

• 1:15:07Speaker 01

  And it's so funny because Brian's the complete opposite.

• 1:15:12Speaker 01

  Are you or? Yeah, but what he's-

• 1:15:14Lewis Howes?

  Are they friends, I'm assuming?

• 1:15:15Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. Yeah. But what he's taught me is to slow down. And I think that's one thing I love about being like around Brian is like I'm very much like Nicole and John, go, go, go, I need this, I'm that. Where Brian's just so like grateful to sit out and look at the trees and feel the wind. And at times I need to do that. And because then all of a sudden, I'm gonna be 35 in November and all of a sudden you're like, where did it all go? So that's one thing I love about my husband is he forces me to slow down and just enjoy life and life as it is in nature. And so, um- Wine's- I'm grateful. Napa Valley helps you and I- Napa Valley's over there. That keeps me grounded. We sit out there, look at the hills for a while.

• 1:15:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm like, okay, like I enjoy the conversation, learning about it, okay, I'm getting my slow time. Yeah. But I love that. And he's a big believer that you do one thing at a time. And like he does not think you fill up your plate, you're, you're capable of doing- Why don't they get a handle filling up this plate?

• 1:16:14Lewis Howes?

  He's focused.

• 1:16:15Speaker 01

  Very focused.

• 1:16:16Lewis Howes?

  Mastery of it, just go on, yeah.

• 1:16:18Speaker 01

  And that's how he is. And so I really learned like, okay, Bree, like you do need to put like more energy into one thing. And so that's why when we started making our list, like, okay, our wine company first, you know, so much of nature is doing our grapes, right? So we've sold out three times that we've put our wine out.

• 1:16:37Lewis Howes?

  Wow, that's great.

• 1:16:38Speaker 01

  So now we have to wait till July when it comes out again. So we get to like breathe a little bit. So then, but Birdie Bee is a daily. And so I know like, okay.

• 1:16:46Lewis Howes?

  Clothing line is, that's a tough business.

• 1:16:48Speaker 01

  It is. It's very tough. And it's crazy like just every day.

• 1:16:51Lewis Howes?

  So many brands out there, so much competition, there's-

• 1:16:54Speaker 01

  So much.

• 1:16:55Lewis Howes?

  And every influencer has their own line now.

• 1:16:57Speaker 01

  Yes, totally. And that's why like when we created Birdie Bee, we wanted it to be beyond apparel. Like we truly want to build this community of women that it's a safe place, it's an empowering place, it's inspiring, that it's so like, when you do wear, finally wear the apparel, it's because you're representing a community that you're a part of. And that's like what we really want. And we give back, like-

• 1:17:20Speaker 02

  I just feel that, you know, we do all these amazing things, but there has to be a purpose.

• 1:17:25Lewis Howes?

  Has to be.

• 1:17:26Speaker 02

  And like, has to be.

• 1:17:26Lewis Howes?

  We build, we build.

• 1:17:27Speaker 02

  Or it's like, why are you doing it?

• 1:17:28Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, we build schools for kids every year.

• 1:17:30Speaker 02

  See, that is so amazing.

• 1:17:31Lewis Howes?

  And we go on, we go around the world and build schools for.

• 1:17:32Speaker 02

  I love that.

• 1:17:33Lewis Howes?

  A charity called Pencil Promise that I've been in school for like six years.

• 1:17:36Speaker 02

  I know that.

• 1:17:36Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, Adam Bron's the founder and.

• 1:17:38Speaker 02

  See, that's amazing. And it keeps you working hard.

• 1:17:41Lewis Howes?

  It gives us purpose, you know, it's like, you know, I believe in education myself. Like, I struggled in school as a kid.

• 1:17:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:17:46Lewis Howes?

  I was always behind. I was in the special needs classes just because I couldn't read and write from a young age. So I always felt stupid.

• 1:17:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:17:53Lewis Howes?

  But I was excelled in sports. You know, I was like, just give me something I can do with my hands and I can master it.

• 1:17:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:17:59Lewis Howes?

  So I believe in education and just giving kids opportunities that don't even have it. You know, I had it, but a lot of kids don't have it in the world. So.

• 1:18:05Speaker 02

  I love that.

• 1:18:06Lewis Howes?

  It keeps us hungry to wanna create more and give more.

• 1:18:09Speaker 01

  Well, we would love to go build a school with you.

• 1:18:10Lewis Howes?

  We should. It's amazing. I brought a bunch of, I brought a, you know Val Trmukowski?

• 1:18:14Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:18:15Lewis Howes?

  He came on the last trip last month.

• 1:18:17Speaker 02

  Oh wait, I just saw, yeah, I saw that on his IG.

• 1:18:20Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, he was with me for that.

• 1:18:20Speaker 02

  He's so sweet. I love that.

• 1:18:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, we love that.

• 1:18:24Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, it's a blast.

• 1:18:25Speaker 01

  That's awesome that you do that.

• 1:18:27Speaker 02

  That is.

• 1:18:27Speaker 01

  Education is so.

• 1:18:29Lewis Howes?

  Some of the kids from some of the schools right there.

• 1:18:30Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:18:31Lewis Howes?

  In Guatemala, Laos, and Ghana. Yeah.

• 1:18:34Speaker 01

  Wow. It's amazing when you're educated, how good you feel. Like, my sister and I, my, both of our husbands like to say, um, our charm is that our vocabulary is this big. And so we use really little words, but the more words I learn, I feel very like accomplished. I'm like, oh my gosh. And now I use it naturally in a sentence. This is great.

• 1:18:54Lewis Howes?

  If I learn like three new words a year, that's like an accomplishment.

• 1:18:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, honestly. Us too. And so.

• 1:18:59Speaker 02

  I just sometimes, I think because I never use them, so I almost feel silly when I say them because I'm like, it's just not me.

• 1:19:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, I feel like everyone turns and looks.

• 1:19:06Lewis Howes?

  Here's the thing also, here's the thing also, it's actually been a benefit to me from having this like low vocabulary, being poor in English and vocabulary is because as a copywriter, on a website or any type of copywriting, you actually want to write at like a third or fourth or fifth grade level.

• 1:19:21Speaker 01

  Oh, really?

• 1:19:22Lewis Howes?

  You actually don't wanna use big words because it's confusing. You wanna be like simple, straight to the point. They say you wanna write like you're writing to Homer Simpson.

• 1:19:31Speaker 01

  Oh, really?

• 1:19:32Lewis Howes?

  That's what like some of the copywriters say in like the online marketing world. It's like you wanna come from that point of view of like, what would, what could Homer Simpson? Like read and understand and be like, I get it. Let me buy it.

• 1:19:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:19:43Lewis Howes?

  Not trying to like say everyone thinks that way, but like what's a simple way.

• 1:19:45Speaker 02

  I definitely do.

• 1:19:46Lewis Howes?

  What's a simple way to communicate your message? Not like use these big words and confuse people, but just.

• 1:19:50Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:19:51Lewis Howes?

  It's it's also what you see in a lot of political campaigns. They use like simple slogans.

• 1:19:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's very true.

• 1:19:58Lewis Howes?

  And they stick to the point, like simple stuff that everyone can understand. And that's usually what wins.

• 1:20:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's good.

• 1:20:04Lewis Howes?

  Sometimes unfortunately, but yeah.

• 1:20:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, my husband will read some books and I open up like the first couple pages and like, don't even know what that says.

• 1:20:10Lewis Howes?

  Exactly.

• 1:20:10Speaker 01

  It's like too much.

• 1:20:11Speaker 02

  It is.

• 1:20:12Lewis Howes?

  I think there's a purpose for it depending on where the context is.

• 1:20:15Speaker 01

  Right, I agree.

• 1:20:16Lewis Howes?

  I want to ask a couple of final questions. I feel like I could ask you guys another hour of questions, but has there ever been a point where you guys disconnected? And felt like, you know what? I'm just sick of you or I'm sick of, you know, each other and like maybe we should just kind of like do our own things and part our ways and or were you just really nasty towards one another? I'm sure growing up, there's like little tiffs all the time, but like almost like a falling out. Has there ever been that?

• 1:20:42Speaker 01

  We've ever had a falling out.

• 1:20:43Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:20:44Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:20:44Speaker 02

  Just we had, I think, a hard, like when Marco and I were breaking up. And that like there was, I think our men like at one point maybe it was like a little disconnect.

• 1:20:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, like when I was with Richie and you were.

• 1:20:57Speaker 02

  Richie all the time and I was with Marco and we were doing our own things and I felt like we had a disconnect because we were living in different states.

• 1:21:05Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:21:05Speaker 02

  Our guys consumed us and wanted to consume us. And then I felt like when we, when Marco and I broke up and I became so depressed and I felt like I was like, I had so much anger and that kind of disconnected us, but you put up with it, but of course.

• 1:21:20Speaker 01

  It's like geez.

• 1:21:21Speaker 02

  So but we're so grateful. We've never had a falling out.

• 1:21:24Lewis Howes?

  That's good.

• 1:21:25Speaker 02

  Thank goodness. And I hear twins that haven't and we're always like, how?

• 1:21:29Speaker 01

  It's crazy. But I think it's because too, we've been through so much together.

• 1:21:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:21:34Speaker 01

  That we just always like lean on each other.

• 1:21:36Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:36Speaker 02

  We're more best friends than sisters.

• 1:21:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, for sure.

• 1:21:39Lewis Howes?

  That's great. What advice would you give to some 15 to 18 year old? Girl turning into a woman, who might be facing some type of experience in their home, their parents, confusion with boyfriend breakups, confusion in general about growing up.

• 1:21:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:21:59Lewis Howes?

  What would you would say, or each of you say to that, that young girl becoming a woman, who might be feeling overwhelmed with the world, and not strong, and not powerful, and not confident in themselves?

• 1:22:12Speaker 01

  Gosh, I mean, I think, I feel like the thing I would tell them is that it's life, and this isn't gonna be the first. This might be the first, but it's not gonna be the last. And that all these little things are what's gonna make you a strong woman one day. And so you gotta look at the positive side of it, which is so hard. And I'll never forget, I was watching this movie Shop Girl, and Claire Danes' character said something like, "It's better to cry now than later, because at some point, you're gonna cry." And that always hit home to me, because I'm like, "It's so true, because you know when you're in a bad relationship." And you know when stuff's bad at home. And sometimes, I think, kids, especially in high school, try to hold it all in. And they don't wanna talk to anyone about it, they don't wanna release. But at some point, you're gonna break. At some point, you're gonna cry, and you're gonna

• 1:22:57Speaker 01

  just have this big breakdown, and instead, it's like, just let it out right then and there. And look at the situation, and just be like, "I can move on from this." Like, you just, I always feel like my biggest mistakes taught me the biggest life lessons.

• 1:23:11Lewis Howes?

  Sure.

• 1:23:11Speaker 01

  You know?

• 1:23:13Speaker 02

  I agree, and I think, I would say that that was very good, Bree. But that it will get better. I feel like I needed someone to tell me that, but I knew it. And I think you hear it, and in the moment, you're like, "No, it's not, the world is over."

• 1:23:27Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 1:23:27Speaker 02

  But it always gets better, and you will look back and be like, "I can't believe I wasted my time on feeling a certain way."

• 1:23:34Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 1:23:34Speaker 02

  Something that John used to tell me, because I'd get so sad in the beginning of a relationship when he would leave. Or like, when there were thoughts of us maybe breaking up, because he didn't want marriage and kids then. He was like, "So you know the sun will always rise. The sun will rise tomorrow, and it's gonna rise the day after that." And that kinda hit me hard, because I was like, "Yeah, like, we act like the world's gonna end, like, when something goes on, but no, the sun's still gonna rise tomorrow, and life's gonna go on." And I wish I could, like, anything that happened, like, anything wrong that happens to any 15, 18-year-old girl, I wish I could just sit around and be like, "I promise you." It's gonna get so good and you're gonna look back and think this is so silly. And I was in the same place. I used to think my mom was crazy when she said it to me.

• 1:24:17Speaker 02

  Like, you don't understand. And I'm like, Mom, you are so right.

• 1:24:21Lewis Howes?

  You're ready.

• 1:24:21Speaker 02

  Oh, my gosh.

• 1:24:22Lewis Howes?

  You're ready.

• 1:24:23Speaker 02

  I am. I'm gonna love him forever. We're so meant to be. Oh, my gosh. I even tell the girls that are younger in my locker room, because some are 10 years younger than me.

• 1:24:31Lewis Howes?

  Going through this, yeah.

• 1:24:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm like, you're going to have so many more men and you are gonna be grateful for it. And you are gonna learn something from each and every one of them. You don't want to end here, believe me. And they're like, oh, but I'm like, no, you don't want to end here. You want to experience so much. And I tried to tell one of our youngest cousins that, because sometimes when they're from small towns and they want to get married young, and I'm like, there's so much of the world to experience. Go experience it.

• 1:24:56Lewis Howes?

  Absolutely.

• 1:24:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:24:59Lewis Howes?

  I'm curious, what you're most proud of, of Bree, and what you're most proud of, Nikki?

• 1:25:04Speaker 01

  Good. No one's ever asked us that.

• 1:25:06Lewis Howes?

  I'll let you go first.

• 1:25:07Speaker 01

  No one's ever asked us that.

• 1:25:08Lewis Howes?

  You're 16 or 17 minutes older, so what's the thing you are most proud of about your younger spiritual sister?

• 1:25:16Speaker 01

  Sister.

• 1:25:17Speaker 02

  Goodness, there's actually a lot of things that I'm really proud of you.

• 1:25:21Speaker 01

  My blush.

• 1:25:22Speaker 02

  I know. Whatever. But I think the most proud I am of you is the mother you've become. Like, what you went through labor, because that was very eye-opening. I was like, my sister's freaking superwoman. And anyone who disagrees, I'm gonna like, have to fight them because, yeah, I was like, what she went through and how she held herself, and it is not what you see on TV. It is way worse. And I was, I just the whole time was like, oh my, my sister's amazing. Like, she's the most amazing woman ever. And so I think I was definitely the most proud of you then. And what they don't tell you is like, right after she just went through all that, she had a breastfeed, and I'm looking, I'm like, can she get a break? They're like, no, baby needs to eat. And I'm like, oh, my gosh. And I'm literally holding Bree's boob. She fell asleep. So I'm like, holding Bree.

• 1:26:07Speaker 01

  22 hours, you go emergency C-section, all that.

• 1:26:09Lewis Howes?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 1:26:10Speaker 02

  But it was funny because her face was so swollen and I was so worried about Bertie, but I kept having her come in because I go, I don't know, my sister doesn't look great. Like, I think you need to check her again. I was like so worried about her. But that was definitely the most proud I've been.

• 1:26:23Speaker 01

  Oh, thank you. Oh, that's really sweet.

• 1:26:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:26:26Speaker 01

  I think for me-

• 1:26:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, we get worried about this stuff. We're not like, we're not machine, touchy girls. Like, this is classy and then we're like, okay.

• 1:26:33Speaker 01

  I think for me, since my sister's been engaged, it was all really like happy and like great, but like I always knew like deep down inside she wanted to be a mom and that she kind of accepted it, you know, for John and like-

• 1:26:47Speaker 02

  For not being a mom.

• 1:26:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, for not being a mom and that-

• 1:26:49Lewis Howes?

  She didn't want to have kids.

• 1:26:50Speaker 01

  Right. And that kind of always hurt me. And then all of a sudden I just saw her like over time get this like strength and this voice and she just started voicing what she truly wanted in life and really stood up for that. And I even feel like it was eye opening to John, but it blew my mind because I think as women, and especially like Nicole's a people pleaser, we care so much about everyone else that we forget about caring about ourselves. And it was really neat to see in a moment her be like, listen, this is who I am, these are the things I want, like, and if you don't want that, then you can go. And for her to like release someone she loved so much because she knew like what she wanted for the rest of her life, I was just blown away.

• 1:27:33Speaker 02

  So I called my wedding off a few months ago.

• 1:27:37Speaker 02

  And that's pretty much what she's talking about. Yeah. What people don't tell you about wedding planning is it makes you face the rest of your life because you're about to-

• 1:27:45Lewis Howes?

  Everything.

• 1:27:46Speaker 02

  Commit permanently forever. And so as I was starting to go through this process, I was like, I'm like, I'm not going to be a mom. Like, I want the day I say I do, like, that's it. I'm not going to be a mom. And I promised him that I would never argue about it or bring it up. And when I make those promises, I'm like, okay, that's it. I won't talk about it or discuss it. And so I started to just get this anxiety, but instead of like going a different way, I was like, one day I woke up and I go, I think I'm okay being by myself and that's it. So I told him, I was like, look, I'm not going to beg you and I get it fully. You deserve to be with someone who doesn't want to have, you know, have kids, but I want it and I need to just end this and go, yeah, try to find it. And he was just like- What?

• 1:28:30Speaker 02

  And so we went our separate ways and

• 1:28:34Lewis Howes?

  Called off the wedding. Told everyone it's not happening.

• 1:28:36Speaker 02

  Oh, we had to fly to Napa that morning. And we literally had camera crews and our wedding planners, everyone to set up our whole for like to make all our decisions. And I told him like, you do not have to have the cameras film this. And he was like, no, I want it. And it hurt me so much to see him so upset. And then having ever, because he's such a private person and having everyone watch that like killed me for him. Because he's such an amazing man. And that's why I wanted, I was like, we both deserve to be happy.

• 1:29:06Lewis Howes?

  What you want.

• 1:29:06Speaker 02

  What we want. So we both then went our separate ways. Like he literally got on a flight to Tampa. I drove to San Francisco and was on waiting for a flight for five hours to get back to New York.

• 1:29:16Lewis Howes?

  Broke up or like

• 1:29:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:29:18Lewis Howes?

  Just said, we're not doing the wedding. We'll figure it out or

• 1:29:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:29:21Lewis Howes?

  Broke up.

• 1:29:21Speaker 02

  Like broke up. Like I was like, I'll have my stuff out in thirty days.

• 1:29:26Lewis Howes?

  Whoa.

• 1:29:27Speaker 02

  And it was so tough. But then John

• 1:29:30Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 1:29:30Speaker 02

  Which you'll actually see on Turbo Bells. But then he flew and he was like, it it took him like four or five days, but he was like, wait, I can't live without this girl. So if I have to give her these things, like I want to. And when he came to me, that was the last thing I was expecting. Like when he told me that he was, you know, willing to be a dad. I was like, wait, did you say willing, not willing? Because I've heard not. I've heard that my, my whole relationship. I think I'm confused. And he's like, I'm willing. And I'm like, I didn't even know what to say. He started crying and I was like, I'm sorry, I just feel numb right now. And I felt numb for a week. I even had to go to my therapist to be like, I think I'm still numb. And she's like, you definitely. And I'm like, okay. I think you were in shock, not numb.

• 1:30:11Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 1:30:11Speaker 02

  Well, she called it numb, but Therapist.

• 1:30:14Lewis Howes?

  Same thing, you know?

• 1:30:15Speaker 02

  But yeah, same thing. I was just, I couldn't believe it. But

• 1:30:19Lewis Howes?

  Wait, did you have, did you call the wedding back on?

• 1:30:21Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. I was like, oh, we're gonna do this.

• 1:30:23Lewis Howes?

  Oh, really? Same day, same thing?

• 1:30:25Speaker 02

  And it's so busy because now, or funny because now I see how she is with Bernie and business. And I told John, like, you don't have to worry. We're gonna wait years.

• 1:30:33Speaker 02

  This one makes me so exhausted watching her be a mom and work.

• 1:30:36Lewis Howes?

  Just the fact that you have the willingness to do it now.

• 1:30:38Speaker 02

  It's like now I know.

• 1:30:40Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 1:30:40Speaker 02

  So it's like.

• 1:30:40Lewis Howes?

  It doesn't have to be right away.

• 1:30:41Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 1:30:42Lewis Howes?

  Ah.

• 1:30:42Speaker 02

  But she kind of was like.

• 1:30:44Lewis Howes?

  He's like, alright.

• 1:30:45Speaker 02

  He like started telling me like, okay, so we could try, you know, start trying after WrestleMania. And I was like, whoa, buddy, like, no, no, I want years. And he's like, really? And I'm like, yeah.

• 1:30:54Speaker 01

  Well, I think, you know, we've accomplished a lot, but when you see those type of things, you know, it makes me really proud of you.

• 1:31:00Speaker 02

  It's like, wow, Bree.

• 1:31:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's like, it's, yeah, it's neat to like, kind of see that with a sibling and like, and especially Nicole, when we've done so much, because we've been in situations where we did keep quiet, where we're like, ah, and we'd go back, like, be like, I just wish we would have stood up for ourselves and, you know, and, but it happens, because, you know, especially when you're in your twenties, you're insecure, you're nervous, you're trying to figure out where your voice is. Like, I know as becoming a mom, that mom voice is so real, like, I will quickly tell someone like, please don't touch Birdie or this, like, or your hands washed, like.

• 1:31:34Speaker 02

  She does, I'm like.

• 1:31:34Speaker 01

  It's crazy like how you'll get these things, but it was awesome to see my sister do that. I was so proud of her.

• 1:31:40Lewis Howes?

  That's amazing.

• 1:31:40Speaker 02

  Well, thank you.

• 1:31:41Lewis Howes?

  I love it. Now, one thing, I'm all about growth. I'm all about how can we take things to the next level?

• 1:31:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:31:47Lewis Howes?

  No matter how much we've achieved or how great we've become. So what's the one piece of feedback you'd give your sister about what she could step into to become the ultimate human being that you know she's capable of being?

• 1:32:01Speaker 01

  Like, you mean like anger management?

• 1:32:06Speaker 02

  Whatever, that was like years ago, by the way.

• 1:32:09Lewis Howes?

  Well, if that's what it is, I'll let you start, go ahead. What's the one thing that you think that Nikki could step into would make her even more powerful, more loving, more, you know, influential in the world, making the world more impactful, all those things?

• 1:32:22Speaker 02

  Wow, my gosh, that's a, that's a good and heavy question. But we can handle constructive criticism.

• 1:32:28Speaker 01

  Of course we can.

• 1:32:29Speaker 02

  I know.

• 1:32:30Speaker 01

  Like, I, you know.

• 1:32:33Lewis Howes?

  You just led with the thing you're most proud of, so.

• 1:32:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:32:37Lewis Howes?

  It's not that she isn't doing great things.

• 1:32:40Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 1:32:40Speaker 02

  I know I'm not perfect.

• 1:32:42Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:32:44Speaker 01

  You know, we both can be pistols, but like my sister, like can be a major pistol and sometimes I wish. Like a machine gun? Yeah. When a certain situation would happen that she would just take a couple of deep breaths, think about it before verbally.

• 1:32:58Lewis Howes?

  Reacting.

• 1:32:58Speaker 01

  Yes. Because I think sometimes.

• 1:33:00Lewis Howes?

  I know how you feel though, I'm with you.

• 1:33:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, and it puts her, because it's not even just against me, just in any situation. And then she gets mad at herself later, like, oh, why did I say that? Yes. And I see that constantly happen, like not like every week, but I mean. More than likely, I was probably starving. She does get angry.

• 1:33:18Lewis Howes?

  There comes the excuses.

• 1:33:21Speaker 01

  Right, and so I feel like if she could control that, like whoa, like, I mean. That's good, I like hearing that. It'd be unstoppable.

• 1:33:31Lewis Howes?

  There you go. What's something she could work on in order to make that happen, one step? Reflection step.

• 1:33:35Speaker 01

  I would, gosh, I would say maybe.

• 1:33:37Lewis Howes?

  Is it take a breath, is it call you, is it?

• 1:33:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's, well, not even meditation, but when you feel that situation arise, like, because it is, because I'll get it too, like the blood, you feel it, it's like. I feel like my blood goes straight to here and that's it, like I have no control. Yeah, you feel like you can be a dragon and it just breaks fire. I don't know. But I feel like. Give me calm blood. If it's counting, or if there's something in your phone, like a picture you can look at that instantly calms you down, like if it's Bertie, like all of a sudden, you're at that point and you look at Bertie and you're like, could I yell at Bertie all these things, or if Bertie was sitting in this room right now, would, do you want Bertie to see you like that? No, no, that's actually good. And we always, yeah, we always have our phones on us, and I think just maybe a picture like that.

• 1:34:19Lewis Howes?

  I don't know if John would like that, your screen saver is not of him.

• 1:34:22Speaker 01

  He already thinks she's taking his spot too.

• 1:34:24Lewis Howes?

  Maybe it's of you, or maybe it's of him and Bertie.

• 1:34:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's actually a good one.

• 1:34:29Lewis Howes?

  Him holding. Okay, that's good feedback, and what about Fabri, what type of, what can make her step into even more powerful mom, powerful human being, businesswoman, sister, wife? One thing, one thing.

• 1:34:45Speaker 02

  Well, like my sister, she wants to be like the president of Birdie B. And you want to have this higher position and run a lot of things. And I definitely think it's things you can do, but I think you need to learn how to balance life. I think being a new mom and being an entrepreneur to two new companies, but also being WWE ambassador and having that craving of getting back into the ring, and also being a YouTuber and a reality star. Our world never stops. And I think sometimes you get so stressed that, not that you want to give up, but you get so stressed that I want to shut down. You want to shut down. And I think if you can learn to have the perfect balance with all that in Birdie,

• 1:35:29Speaker 02

  you would be beyond unstoppable. And you could be a president of any company, of Birdie B, as well as being the owner. And you can do actually anything you wanted if you learned how to do the balance.

• 1:35:41Lewis Howes?

  What's the one step that she could take moving forward in order to create that balance?

• 1:35:46Speaker 02

  I think it's sitting down and doing like a time schedule of like, well, being okay with having a full-time nanny would be step one. And then putting that, which is

• 1:36:00Lewis Howes?

  I already see the walls come up. The resistance.

• 1:36:03Speaker 02

  Yep. And just knowing like, okay, here's my time. Here's the 24 hours in a day. How do I break it down of my sleep, Birdie's naps, where I put all this different time into, and how can I get it all done? And I think it's with professional help. I think we all say we could do it by ourselves, but it's weird when you have someone helping you. I want to see like someone to come into my house. And not me, because we would get in a fight. For sure. Someone who could feel you, like spiritually, actually. Yeah, not me. You need someone very zen, who's neutral, no strings attached, who comes in and gives you that balance.

• 1:36:39Lewis Howes?

  Well, probably someone who's done it before. Another mom who's running a business, you know, who's

• 1:36:43Speaker 02

  That's such a great idea. That is actually

• 1:36:45Lewis Howes?

  Like Sarah Blakely I've had on, I don't know if you know who she is. She's the founder of Spanx.

• 1:36:49Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:36:49Lewis Howes?

  And she's like the youngest billionaire, female billionaire in the country. She's got five kids, I think.

• 1:36:55Speaker 02

  What?

• 1:36:56Lewis Howes?

  And she's like part owner of the, you know, the basketball team, the NBA team in Atlanta. She's got her husband, she's got her, you know.

• 1:37:04Speaker 02

  I need to talk to Sarah.

• 1:37:05Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, Sarah Blakely, she's like a superwoman. Yeah, she's unbelievable. Well, I love the feedback.

• 1:37:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was really good.

• 1:37:11Lewis Howes?

  I love what you guys created for each other. This is a question I ask everyone at the end of my podcast. You both get to answer. It's called the three truths. Now, now imagine.

• 1:37:20Speaker 02

  No dares, just truths?

• 1:37:21Lewis Howes?

  No dares. We can go there, but three truths. I'll let you begin on this. So imagine it's your last day many years from now. You get to choose the day. You're as old as you want to be. You could be hundreds of years old, whatever it is. But you're like, you know what? It's my time. It's time to go. You've lived everything you wanted to do. All the kids you want to have. You travel the world. You do it all.

• 1:37:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:37:45Lewis Howes?

  Everything you imagine happens. But you can't leave any of it behind. You have to take it all with you. So no one has access to any of the information you've put out into the world.

• 1:37:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:37:56Lewis Howes?

  But it's your last day. You've got a piece of paper and a pen to write down the three things you know to be true about your entire experience, your life. And this is what you would share with it. And this is the only thing people get to see. There's no more videos to watch of you. There's no more books. There's nothing. One piece of paper, three truths, or three lessons that you've learned, that you think, if this is all I could have to leave behind, that would be a powerful thing. What would you say are your three truths? And you're next.

• 1:38:23Speaker 02

  Goodness. I would say, use your voice. Women can truly do anything they want if they set their mind to it. Women can do anything they want that they set their heart to. And you can turn any no into a yes, or any negative into a positive.

• 1:38:45Lewis Howes?

  Powerful. I agree.

• 1:38:47Speaker 01

  Gosh, mine's gonna be way different. But I would say, love, and love, love, love, love, and more love. My second thing would say.

• 1:38:57Speaker 02

  Did you get inspiration from somewhere?

• 1:39:01Speaker 01

  You read my mind wall. And then.

• 1:39:06Lewis Howes?

  Love is number one.

• 1:39:07Speaker 01

  Yes. My second one would be unity between animal, plant, and human is the only way this planet will flourish. And my third thing would be, there's so many, like you just, I'm like thinking of like a hundred of them. Probably my third thing would be.

• 1:39:30Speaker 01

  The best things in life you can't take with you. So laughter and obviously love is number one, but family. Just, you know, pretty much, I guess in some way I'd say experiences. Like sometimes I think people get caught up in buying things when we should be spending our money on experiences. And so I guess memories, three, like make the best memories.

• 1:39:53Speaker 02

  Can I change one?

• 1:39:54Lewis Howes?

  Sure.

• 1:39:56Speaker 02

  Because I'm thinking in the future.

• 1:39:57Lewis Howes?

  Those are great, though.

• 1:39:58Speaker 02

  Those are amazing. I would say live in the moment because of technology. We just don't live in the moment anymore. We are worried about an IG story or post. So that'd be my one thing is live in the moment, in the real moment.

• 1:40:11Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 1:40:12Speaker 01

  Technology just got mad at you.

• 1:40:14Speaker 02

  They're like, oh, really?

• 1:40:16Lewis Howes?

  It's all good.

• 1:40:16Speaker 02

  Bam.

• 1:40:18Lewis Howes?

  I have one final question, let me just make sure. Okay, final, before I ask the final question, where can we connect with you guys online? You got your YouTube channel, you got your TV shows, you got your empires, where can we?

• 1:40:28Speaker 02

  So you could find us on Total Bellas, May 20th. And then after that on Total Divas, it's all on the E network. You can find us on youtube.com backslash the Bella Twins.

• 1:40:39Lewis Howes?

  The Bella Twins.

• 1:40:40Speaker 02

  The Bella Twins. And you can find me at the Nikki Bella on IG, at the Brie Bella on IG.

• 1:40:46Speaker 01

  Bree like the cheese.

• 1:40:47Speaker 02

  Yep, and then on Twitter, oh, sorry, at Bella Twins. And then BertieB.com.

• 1:40:51Lewis Howes?

  Okay.

• 1:40:52Speaker 02

  And BellaRidichi.com.

• 1:40:53Lewis Howes?

  Awesome.

• 1:40:54Speaker 02

  You can find us in a lot of places.

• 1:40:55Lewis Howes?

  Amazing. This is the final question, it's what is your definition of greatness? I'll let you start.

• 1:41:00Speaker 01

  Oh, gosh. Definition of greatness? Greatness to me is when you're just so content in life that like no one could break you down. That's greatness.

• 1:41:15Speaker 02

  That's really good, mine's actually similar. Mine would be when you truly have that happiness. And I feel like when you have that, that's the greatest greatness you can have.

• 1:41:26Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 1:41:27Speaker 02

  Is hap- like just pure happiness.

• 1:41:29Lewis Howes?

  Hmm. I want to acknowledge you both for a moment, Bree, for being an incredible mother and stepping into that. When you have so much happening in your life and your brand and your businesses. I know it can be easy to be stay in that mode, but you've really stepped into this other lane and you've taken it on full steam ahead and it looks like, looks like you've become the most incredible mother based on what I'm hearing. So I want to acknowledge you for allowing yourself to follow your heart and, and live that life.

• 1:41:59Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 1:41:59Lewis Howes?

  And, and also be a great sister and be there for everyone else the way you have been. It's been incredible. And Nikki, I want to acknowledge you for owning your voice because I think most women in the world, especially in the last year have struggled in owning their voice and for you to stand up for what you want, knowing that you may have to lose something in order to have it.

• 1:42:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:42:23Lewis Howes?

  That fear is extremely scary to deal.

• 1:42:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:42:27Lewis Howes?

  For anyone.

• 1:42:27Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 1:42:28Lewis Howes?

  So for you to be able to step up and, and owning your voice is so inspiring to so many women in the world. So I really acknowledge you for that. And I acknowledge you both for just being incredible sisters and incredibly human beings and being truly authentic. I loved our interaction today. I hope to spend more time with you guys.

• 1:42:44Speaker 02

  Me too.

• 1:42:44Lewis Howes?

  But you guys are incredible. So thank you guys so much.

• 1:42:47Speaker 01

  And you too. Thank you for giving us this platform and for showcasing people, you know, who are doing great things.

• 1:42:52Speaker 02

  Greatness in such a great way that it's like beyond money and success. Like it's, like I said, I'm enlightened.

• 1:43:01Speaker 01

  I know.

• 1:43:01Speaker 02

  I knew it from the beginning.

• 1:43:03Lewis Howes?

  You did it yourselves.

• 1:43:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's you. We knew it. Yeah, you're just, you're amazing. So thank you.

• 1:43:08Lewis Howes?

  Thank you. I appreciate it. Thank you. Thanks for coming on.

• 1:43:15Lewis Howes?

  There you have it, my friends. So inspired by Bree and Nikki. They are incredible. They're growing. They're doing so much good for the world and they're chasing their dreams. That's what it's all about. They're great examples of how to continue to evolve, chase your dreams and continue to give back to the world. Super inspiring what they're up to, how they show up and how they continue to run their businesses and brand while constantly learning and evolving along the way. If you enjoyed this, make sure to share it out with your friends. LewisHowes.com/625. You can go back to the show notes there, watch the full video interview, tweet out all the tweetables that are there, check out their websites, follow them on social

• 1:43:56Lewis Howes?

  media and tag them on Instagram on your Instagram story, Bella Twins and tag Nikki and Bree separately as well. And let me know what you thought of this. I love to hear your thoughts. And as always on Instagram, I'm always screenshotting a lot of people's posts about the podcast and I'm resharing those on my stories. So put up an interesting post, I may screenshot it and feature you on my story on Instagram as well. And again, to recap, we all go through struggles and challenges at different stages of our life. You may be facing some type of challenge right now, some type of adversity that is so painful and so hard that you don't think there's a way out. But there's always a way out. Again, the sun will rise tomorrow.

• 1:44:39Lewis Howes?

  Tomorrow is another day, another opportunity to heal, to forgive, to let go, to move beyond, to grow into the better version of yourself. And again, as Paulo Coelho said, "If you only walk on sunny days, you'll never reach your destination." There are going to be some cloudy days. There are going to be some struggling days ahead of you, but you must continue to walk through them. That's the path to getting to your dreams. I love you. Thank you so very much. You know what time it is. It's time to go out there and do something great.