617 Master Your Energy and Heal Your Body with Donny Epstein

“UNLESS YOU CLAIM EXTRAORDINARY, ORDINARY CLAIMS YOU.” Your mindset is one of the most powerful tools you have. In fact, it’s so powerful you may not even realize how much it affects you every day. When you show up with a lot of energy, excited, and ready give fully you will energize everyone around you. When you show up with no energy and sluggish, you’ll zap the energy out of everyone in the room with you. It’s your duty to manage the energy you give to the world with your mindset. This not only includes your day to day choices, but also the choice you make about how your past experiences show up. On this episode of The School of Greatness, I bring you an expert on energy and perception: Donny Epstein. Donny has been training practitioners in EpiEnergetics, which is provides strategies to unlock greater human resourcefulness, development, and evolution. He is the founder and developer of Network Spinal Analysis, which is renowned for its mind and body applications and is the fastest growing chiropractic methods today. Donny sat down with me to explain how you can gain and harness an abundance of energy, where our problems originate from, why you should expect miracles and much more, on Episode 617. Some Questions I Ask: Why do we become unaligned to who we are? (7:18) How do we get an abundance of energy? (14:00) What is life? (18:56) What do you mean by withdrawal of love? (27:17) Did they teach you all of this at chiropractic school? (38:30) Forgiveness isn’t about the other person? (42:51) What’s a miracle, in your mind? (46:16) In This Episode You Will Learn: Where our thoughts really come from (12:20) How you can allow energy to come in (18:40) The energy you should and shouldn’t be giving people (22:03) Donny’s definition of pain (28:46) When Donny started diving deeper into his work (39:25) How you can create change that will heal (45:23) Plus much, much more Get more from Lewis! Get my New York Times Bestselling book, Make Money Easy! Get The Greatness Mindset audiobook on SpotifyText Lewis AIYouTubeInstagramWebsiteTiktokFacebookX

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• 0:00Lewis Howes?

  This is episode number 617 with Donny Epstein.

• 0:06Lewis Howes?

  Welcome to the School of Greatness. My name is Lewis Howes, former pro athlete turned lifestyle entrepreneur. And each week, we bring you an inspiring person or message to help you discover how to unlock your inner greatness. Thanks for spending some time with me today. Now let the class begin.

• 0:31Lewis Howes?

  Mark Cuban said, "If you're not positive energy, then you're negative energy." The world is full of energy and you get to decide how you want to show up every single day energetically in your body, with your mind, with your thoughts, with your words. And the things you think create certain things in your body, certain reactions. And it's our duty to manage these energy fields and to manage all the things that happen in our life. And for the past 30 years, Donny Epstein has developed and trained practitioners in Epienergetics Methodologies, which is a unique process that provides strategies to unlock greater human resourcefulness, development, and evolution.

• 1:14Lewis Howes?

  He's the founder and developer of Network Spinal Analysis, which is widely applauded for its mind-body application. Network Chiropractic is one of the fastest growing methods of chiropractic today. And since 1983, Dr. Epstein has instructed thousands of chiropractors and chiropractic students. And in the past five years, he's assisted over 10,000 attendees at the Transformational Gates seminars. And in this interview, we're covering why we become unaligned to who we really are. Also, how to get an abundance of energy. You know, with so much happening in our lives, especially as busy entrepreneurs, or people with side hustles, or people with, have a lot of kids, or just a lot of projects going on, there's so much energy.

• 1:59Lewis Howes?

  How do we harness an abundance of energy? That's what we're covering today. Also, where all of our problems originate from and how to eliminate them? Why we should expect miracles in our lives? And the relationship between faith and certainty? This is an interesting and powerful one. I hope you enjoy this. Make sure to take a screenshot, share it out on Instagram, @lewishowes, lewishowes.com/617. And let me know what you're thinking as you're listening along and share with your friends. And as always, guys, make sure to share this out with your friends. Again, LewisHowes.com/617. I'm excited to hear what you think about this. It's a little bit different than some of the topics we have on,

• 2:39Lewis Howes?

  but I think you'll find it pretty interesting as well. Master your energy and heal your body with the one, the only, Donnie Epstein.

• 2:51Lewis Howes?

  Welcome back everyone to the School of Greatness podcast. We have the miracle worker in the house, Donnie Epstein. Good to see you, sir.

• 2:58Speaker 02

  It's great to do. Wonderful. Great.

• 3:01Lewis Howes?

  I just went through a journey with you, an experience that I feel very relaxed, aligned, taller, and more committed and focused ever on my purpose. So, thanks for the experience and the journey. I'm sure I was just scratching the surface of what's possible, but thanks for the work on me.

• 3:22Speaker 02

  Well, the key of everything is to help people align with why they're really here. Everything else is distraction.

• 3:30Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 3:30Speaker 02

  That's it. There are invisible forces that shape our life, shape our destiny. And people, the challenge for people is, we believe hallucination, that the physical reality is all there is. And in that game, we don't have enough to make happen when it needs to happen. Because every time something's extraordinary, every time is extraordinary. We don't know where we are. We know when we are. We know why we are.

• 4:03Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 4:04Speaker 02

  And that's the magic here. What's happening now for me, what's extraordinary for me is taking care of you and knowing that the forces that organize your life in your specific way are more aligned. And the force of attraction will make you more able. Now, people watching this, you know... This guy is dangerous as he has been. Okay, now imagine getting more juice to why he's here in that way. So we're all in for a great ride. But isn't that the best we could do for ever? Isn't that what we do in common?

• 4:36Lewis Howes?

  Absolutely.

• 4:36Speaker 02

  You know, add value to people's lives, they add value.

• 4:39Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 4:40Speaker 02

  What else is there?

• 4:41Lewis Howes?

  How do we get, uh, why do we become unaligned to who we are?

• 4:45Speaker 02

  Oh, because, a few things. The first thing is because we become addicted to comfort. For being accepted, for being liked, because that's a necessary stage past survival. See, first you have survival. This thing called this bio-entic intelligence or survivor mechanism comes in. Do we have enough metabolic energy to stay alive? That's it. And anytime you don't have enough of that energy, we downsize our life. Because the purpose of that intelligence is to downsize your life. So you survive, and that's it. Then when a great opportunity comes, "I, I, I'm not gonna do it." I have to survive. After that, we have this emotional intelligence that activates, and that helps us make rapid changes. And that's really great.

• 5:28Speaker 02

  But if you don't have the energy to survive, you're gonna mute the changes you need to have. Then we have this mental thinking intelligence. We think this is the greatest. If I think it, it's real. No, you know, it's not even your thoughts. And the thought intelligence helps you first develop. Now that you, you survived and became a mommy and daddy, and now you could make some small changes and cry when you need to make a response. Now you have this thinking thing called the mind that makes us think that I'm thinking. But all you're doing that time is being conditioned to be a mini mommy and a mini daddy. Why? Because the purpose of survival is to fit in. Next level is to fit in as you grow up, because it eaves into the world at least.

• 6:10Speaker 02

  If you don't follow the rules and be accepted by people, you die, you're in prison, something else happens. It's this stage in development, we're supposed to outgrow. Okay? And, "Well, I like, will they be acceptable?" But you're validated. You said, "Do you like me?" "You don't?" And that's the stage, time you're teenagers, you start changing that. And then we get to the upper thought. Is this the best idea you have to optimize? You use a very strong, "Oh, we know you're doing this, but what do you want to do? What's the real thing? How do you go, what's, how we can optimize it?" That's great. Both levels of mind.

• 6:44Speaker 02

  Part of this hallucination is it's me thinking, the thoughts are in my head. And I have to replace one type of thought by another type of thought. Are these beliefs true or not? And we're conditioned to who we're supposed to be, to be accepted and have love. And the answer to the question is that as long, comfort is better than feeling like you're dying. Having a story why things are not working is better than not having a story because you're more energy. But that story exists at a level of energy, this is the key. Every thought, every energy, every thought, every emotion, everything you produce, every condition, every disturbance in life, only exists at a certain level of energy.

• 7:28Speaker 02

  You drop the energy, you suck your thoughts, suck your experience, you raise it, you're more comfortable, raise it, the entire story you had is outgrown. It's the key areas that most people want ordinary. They want to follow the list of what's supposed to happen in life, they want to get just that amount. Because happiness is meeting your list. But your list was conditioned by what you need to get feel, get love, it's not even your list, you follow your parents or parents' list. And if you hate your parents, you're doing everything opposite of the list, it's still not you. So this is it. Unless you claim extraordinary, ordinary claims you. And the cultural hallucination becomes yours, the struggle becomes yours, the effort, you

• 8:12Speaker 02

  own the story but not your life, if you have story, you have results, you do, you have story, you have results. And as we then claim a high level of energy, we can now start impacting the environment more than impacts us, that's what you're doing. I mean, how many billion people are impacted? But it's not just what you're saying. It's the energy around you that's being transmitted congruent with it. You know, your greatness here, and what you have is, is that you are helping generate a coherent, congruent field of energy that people can use. We think it's the words we're saying, it's who we're being now. Especially guys, the most difficult thing for us is to believe that we could have things with that effort, because the more struggle, I mean, I almost killed myself, I must, I'm

• 8:57Speaker 02

  in the battle of the scars at work there. To realize that it's who we're being when that happens that makes the difference. And that's all energy. We're rewarded or we're punished instantly.

• 9:11Speaker 02

  By our energy efficiency in the relationship of others. And that's the space between, it's called the field. It's where reality happens, thoughts really occur. Thoughts are not in your mind. Thoughts are in the field. The amount of energy you have determines what you grab from the fields and call yours. Change energy level is different there. So we have to get the right energy at the right time. Not like little bear, three little bears, not too much, not too little.

• 9:36Lewis Howes?

  Just right.

• 9:36Speaker 02

  Just right, that's it, just right. You know, even in Genesis, it's, you know, and we created the world and it was good. It was good, time to rest.

• 9:45Lewis Howes?

  So you're saying, wait, thoughts are not in our mind. They're in a field.

• 9:49Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 9:49Lewis Howes?

  What field?

• 9:51Speaker 02

  Well, between us is a space called the field.

• 9:53Lewis Howes?

  Between what?

• 9:54Speaker 02

  Everything. Around the atom is the field. A simple example, the magnetic field of the earth. Thought exists as a field, emotions filter. Electricity doesn't occur in the wire. Electriques don't occur in the wire. Electricity occurs in a space around the wire, in a field around the wire. We're not communicating, a field is communicating. The nervous, get this, the nervous system, I invite you to get this, okay? And those who aren't getting, get it. The nervous system perceive the world. What is perceived? Sound. What is sound? Subtle vibration of the atmosphere in the field around you.

• 10:30Lewis Howes?

  Your environment.

• 10:31Speaker 02

  That's it. What is vision? The photon light energy in the field around you. What is smell? Dissolved particles in the field around you. Taste, the things taken. We make our senses, transmit the environment and interpret it. What you're doing is you're not seeing the environment. You're seeing your projection onto the environment. At least eighty percent of what you see is capturing your projection. So now, when you don't have enough energy, the environment breaks you down. You have more, you're at status quo and you're comfortable. That's the big drug.

• 11:07Lewis Howes?

  How do we get an abundance of energy?

• 11:09Speaker 02

  You have to claim, it will not happen until you claim it.

• 11:12Lewis Howes?

  How do you claim it?

• 11:14Speaker 02

  Have, have a vision bigger than yourself. Hold at least two perspectives, if not three. So, the way it goes is this. When life is kind of messed up, basically less resourceful we are, we don't realize we're the one interpreting the environment or the world.

• 11:35Speaker 02

  How you doing? How do you expect them to do? The IRS is doing this. How does it do? Well, I have a book launch going on. I have so much to do. How you doing this? I don't know. The podcast went down. How you doing? You don't open up to help with my daughter. That's about it. That's how you doing. You equal your circumstance. Every time you make a difference for someone else, every time you have a new idea, every time you love more, you pause and you realize it's me observing. You see yourself talking to your woman and all of a sudden you hear yourself saying, "Who is that saying that?" You go, "Oh, it's me." Once you realize there's a me who's observing the reality, things start changing. And there's observer that makes you survive, that makes you react, think, one that makes you love,

• 12:20Speaker 02

  the one that makes you feel the gratitude. Each one will impart something different. Because around all energy is information. It's a binary code. Information that observes itself will be called consciousness. So what's the energy? Consciousness around fossil fuel. I mean, is it love? Okay? Well, you know what it is. It's greed. It's power. It's control. So when you use that energy, it produces this consciousness of the world. What are you thinking? When you're thinking, "How this sucks, that sucks," that's energy. It's adding that consciousness to the world. I want people to realize that every time we use energy, we have to consciously use the energy that's going to produce the resulting consciousness

• 13:02Speaker 02

  and the world and the space between us. So we respond into the space. Because the reality is now, this is really, you know, this is maybe a little crazy, but you've had some crazy people on here there. Okay? The reality is greater than we experience. The field is our intermediate. So the field is the cloud where information is stored. And based upon our energy and attention in our body, our posture, the way we experience the world, we retrieve the thought that matches it. It doesn't match the experience. Our experience will match the energy we have.

• 13:39Speaker 02

  The amount of energy you have available when you remember something, is it a wound or is it a gift? Was I injured, I can't play a ball anymore? I have to be messed up on the couch? Or does some energy happen where you say, "F*** this." It doesn't happen until the energy changes, the thoughts change. Right. So that's what we're talking about. The field is the space that we share. We were treated that traumatic memories is not stored in the body. The residence of it is in the body. But it actually, because we can't store that much information. When I'm saying we're not here, we're part of a whole safe humanity. Why? Because, how do you know that? When people have spiritual awakenings, their experience of giving beyond themselves, they're not there.

• 14:23Speaker 02

  They're in the joy of others, they're in everything else. When you're building a vision, or building your business, building a dream, you're not there. The vision, you're in the vision of what's happening. When I get messed up, you're back here again. You're doing a podcast, you're out there in between, you're messed up again. Why? Because you're holding more energy. And the more information bandwidth you need, the more energy you need. And why bandwidth? If you're gonna be in relation to a person, you need more bandwidth. Two people, you have a company now. Now, how many podcasts you're doing a day, a week? How many things you're doing? I mean, you need a whole team of energy to do it, you need more energy. But the higher up you go energetically, the more energy the system gives back, if you allow it.

• 15:09Speaker 02

  So how do you allow it to come in? Well, first, realize it's not your energy. It's not even your life. Who's life? It's humanity's. The quality of your life is proportionate to how big you see your system. How big you see the impact it's gonna be. So, what happens is this, if you hold two perspectives, things get better. You're holding your perspective and my perspective. When you hold three perspectives, your perspective, my perspective, your audience's perspective, that activates a cerebral cortex, create a different field of energy that impacts people. So if you can hold at least three perspectives simultaneously, where you're accepting all of them, automatically, there's more energy. You can't be in a stress zone.

• 15:55Speaker 02

  Stress almost kick in when it's just your perspective. One's right, one's wrong. So what you can do is do, I have different exercises you can do. For example, if you put your hand in your body and you focus on your breath, that's one perspective. Your focus on being here is two perspectives. Now you focus on the movement, three perspectives. You focus, you feel four perspectives. Most awakening and most growth just involve holding three simultaneous perspectives. When I create things, I may hold seven to 20 perspectives. But after a while, they clump and become automatic. So I have to find another perspective to stay at the leading edge. So you hold many perspectives. That's when you coach people. You're hearing what all the saying, you're accepting them where they're at. At the same time, you're not accepting where they're at.

• 16:38Speaker 02

  Because you're seeing where they are and you're seeing where they must be at the same time. That energize the field around you and that's where people learn. That's where they grow. Because if I, if we energize the field, somehow it creates synchronicity. It creates power, it creates teamwork. And it's not because of what we said. It's not because the brilliant words we have. It's because of the energy we put into those words.

• 17:05Lewis Howes?

  Our way of being, yeah.

• 17:07Speaker 02

  That's it. And that's, for the guy, it's the toughest thing because we think the shit we accomplish, what's that about? And then the feminine energy will tell us that's not it. So you get a real good feminine energy in your life. When you're down, she'll tell you how great you are. When you're great, she'll tell you you're not so good. That's the magic. The other perspective has the magic. So a really quick question, how do you get to the first thing? You have to have a compelling reason to get there.

• 17:38Lewis Howes?

  A vision bigger than yourself.

• 17:39Speaker 02

  And that requires a higher part of your brain and more energy. Now, we're rewarded or punished instantly, biochemically, by how efficient we are in helping others. Mm-hmm. When we take from the field, you may have a family member, you know, someone here listening to this or watching this, uh, who's perhaps bipolar, perhaps an alcoholic, perhaps addiction. They're always at such a low energy level, energy's collapsing till they're requiring, you know, the people keep putting energy into the field. You may feel you feel drained by that, but if you believe it's your energy. Understand they're starving for energy, they feel they can't survive.

• 18:20Speaker 02

  Part of being more aware, you should give them consciously, but don't give them the energy they're looking for, give them a higher source. What do you mean? They're looking for reaction from you, don't give them that. They're looking for judgment, don't give them that. Ask, if things were better, what would it be like? Or say, what would love do? Or just be quietly, just bathe them in love. Because we all have a source of energy that we need that won't satisfy. We keep habituating on that, it's a different one. So you have the family member, the family member's always getting energy, it's always a crisis, hey, fix her and I'm okay.

• 19:04Speaker 02

  Okay, we're part of a whole dynamic, right? Fix the economy, fix the president, yeah, this is it. We're part of the whole system. And the idea is this, we drain the system of energy, inflammatory cells are built up in our body, we become depressed, and depression is depression of energy. Depression is really rage minus enthusiasm. The person's pissed off and not freaking do anything about it. If you're making life about you, and not doing anything about making a difference, you're supposed to be depressed, you're supposed to be anxious, you're supposed to be [bleeped] up and nothing's supposed to help it.

• 19:45Speaker 02

  It's about making it feel better. It's about doing any value. We're biological species rewarded for making a difference and punished for collapsing. Our systems collapse. When you make business and it's just about you producing a transaction, it's gonna crash. Yeah. And you're gonna suffer. Mm-hmm. You have to. But as it comes to the relationship between my essential nature, the nature of who I am, in my authentic nature and the energy and the environment. The environment is always trying to break you down. Ash, ash, dust, dust, I love energy, you break down, you die. And if you're comfortable, then you become an agent of what your parents told you, the culture told you and everything else, and your stories are protected.

• 20:29Speaker 02

  And even if you get successful, you're gonna drop it out and you're gonna lose it out because you wanna make sure nothing really changes. But now you add energy to the air and now you can impact other things. You add even more energy to the system, even more energy, the spiritual energy to the system. And it's not about praying or meditating. Mm-hmm. It's about doing good shit for people because. Right. Because it's about seeing people as they are. It's why I call it A A A, acknowledging, first becoming aware of things as they are without going to change them. Could you influence anybody if you don't accept them? Probably not. Then people say, well, get rid of my pain, get rid of... How could you influence your body or your finance until you first accept where you're at?

• 21:13Speaker 02

  While seeing it better? Mm-hmm. So they acknowledge and give testimony, give voice to, this is the way it is right now. Not, it's because of this, this is the way it is. And when you're with it, when you're with the experience of without the hunger to change it, to stop it, to make it something else. When that happens, suddenly, suddenly at that particular point, it changes. Yeah. Because you brought a different energy and then accept it, it's the way it's been. Until you accept something, nothing changes. Right. With acceptance, it's a spiritual energy. And now you have so much energy, we call it love. And we withdraw love, that's it. The withdrawing of love is an act of violence.

• 21:57Speaker 02

  People don't realize it.

• 21:59Lewis Howes?

  The withdrawal of love is an act of violence.

• 22:02Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 22:03Lewis Howes?

  What do you mean by withdrawal of love?

• 22:05Speaker 02

  If you choose, you didn't do this, I don't concur, withdraw my love from you.

• 22:09Lewis Howes?

  Oh, conditional?

• 22:11Speaker 02

  Because, because you are choosing to drop the energy in the system which your relationship is based upon.

• 22:18Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 22:19Speaker 02

  To punish them.

• 22:20Lewis Howes?

  Mm-hmm.

• 22:20Speaker 02

  Punishes you. Punishes you.

• 22:25Speaker 02

  The purpose of pain, undefined pain, ask me, how do I define pain?

• 22:29Lewis Howes?

  How do you define pain?

• 22:30Speaker 02

  Glad you asked that.

• 22:33Speaker 02

  I define pain as any uncomfortable experience or circumstance that interrupts your ability to be present in the magic of the moment.

• 22:44Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 22:45Speaker 02

  So if you have to do a run and only play the music you like instead of listening to what's going on.

• 22:52Speaker 02

  If you go to the refrigerator ten times looking like this over and over, not knowing what you're looking for. If you were in front of the great income eradicator television flipping, flipping through the buttons over and over mindlessly. If you walk outside and you're at a meal with somebody and you can't get away from your mobile device at the time. That's pain.

• 23:12Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 23:13Speaker 02

  Our culture is addicted to all these things of pain to be with. You know, say, hey, I sent you a text message, I'm in the room, how about talking to me? See, when you talk to the person, the field engages with the body, the emotional instinctive behavior, the smells. I know it's true, it's real here, otherwise it's a concept world. Now, it's great to start there, we have to get to the next level, so it's the energy level that we have. The more bandwidth you experience, the bigger your worldview, the more energy you need.

• 23:43Lewis Howes?

  Mm-hmm.

• 23:45Speaker 02

  And the key thing is, you like a match, a piece of wood, a little match, a lot of heat comes out. So it may take only a little to initiate it. Oh, it takes so much to get to next level. Once you're there, that's it. So fake it till you make it. Act as if, and that becomes. Give thanks in anticipation of having received. Before it's received. That is, I mean, these are spiritual truths. Tithes, give of whatever it is to whatever your source is in some way. If you wanna get ready to start doing that, start caring about people more. And that makes a big difference. What I've recognized, working with people through all different systems,

• 24:27Speaker 02

  and being able to measure when they're at peak efficiency, coherence, making a difference, the way they experience the world, the way their body is functioning, their behavior, actions. I noticed that it's a recipe we all have. And the recipe is a simple recipe. That there's a structural way of making change, a behaviorally perception. Two of them are gonna be, one is gonna suck in everyone. That means either you're gonna be terrible at structures, no matter what. You can't even think about it, or you're terrible at doing stuff. You're terrible at feeling. Accept the nature and do what works. This is a big lesson for everyone here. We're guided.

• 25:10Speaker 02

  If it's effort, it means we're not using the forces. Now get back to the field, okay? We look at this here, lining it up. Or you put the electromagnet on. And they line up in an organic way. That's what you felt in your body happening. That happens in life. If it's effort, you're using the mind to control the experience consistent with what you think is supposed to happen. And the larger forces of life, of instability, you will try to rip that apart. So you have a choice. We all have a choice.

• 25:44Speaker 02

  Either create a temporary instability with lots of energy. When we say we want to see a novelty, experience it. If we changed everything, what would it be? Changed this, experience that. Find a new way to experience your love. Find a new way to kiss. Every day when I shave, I say, how do I shave this day? Here, I'm gonna start over here. Make a habit of experience things with novelty. Different, yeah. Differently. That creates your ability to see novelty. And not try to block it. So either you create that. Or the larger system, which wants to break everything back to dust. And life is about how long we can reverse the return to dust with the right energy.

• 26:30Speaker 02

  It's gonna require it. It's required. All chronic problems in life. Are all a result of trying to have too much stability with your identity. And your identity is protecting you from who you really are. But you have to have identity before you lose. You have to be somebody before you're nobody. You have to know the rules before you break them. That's it. So you may have to like them, but you have to know them. That's what it's about. So, right now, what do we have in the world? I believe the biggest pain in the world. Is the fact that our worlds from humanity's beginning. Until through now, now. Is based on a model of the world. Of survival.

• 27:15Speaker 02

  And scarcity of resources. So everything is the fear of it being left out, fear of losing. We know that model's, it's over. The dragon is dead, just stay out of the way of the tail. So we're looking for here. Is. The first tier of consciousness from all of humanity to up to now. Is based upon scarcity. We want to bind energy with the illusion of ownership.

• 27:45Speaker 02

  What the millennials are doing is saying **** with ownership. I don't care, I'm gonna put this on the internet, I'm gonna share this, everything, have this, right? Free, just everyone. It's a new model, we're having Airbnb, what do they own? Facebook, what content do they have? Okay, take a look at this. It's a new model. Imagine when they started sharing songs on the internet. It's gonna destroy the music industry, it built it. So the first tier of consciousness is based upon illusion of scarcity and that I have to bind energy and information for myself. It's my, my generation mastered that. Yeah. We mastered it. We mastered, this is my information, this is my data. I can't work along with you, this is it. You're my children, I own you, you're my wife, I own you. We're gonna build it. Whoever can take as much piece of the pie for themselves as possible wins.

• 28:30Speaker 02

  Until they die. And they're dying along the time. This is the key. In this model, the only way you release the energy and control is if it's forced away from you. So you have to lose family members, you have to be raped or attacked. Your identity and story has to be ripped apart or ripped. It's a larger force, the system wants it. Because right now in America, it's really messed up. In this model of healing, to have greatness, and you know, you know, your school of greatness. Life is a school of greatness. It's gonna make you great if it doesn't kill you first. Right. Right? Yeah. But in this model,

• 29:12Speaker 02

  you have to be attacked or abandoned or wounded to have greatness. Did they, they teach you this all in chiropractic school? None of it. What they did do, the reason I went to chiropractic college originally, and that was the basis of everything, was the original principle of chiropractic that came, was written about in 1900, was this universal organizing intelligence in everything, in all matter. And the job of the nervous system was relay the universal wisdom in the form in the body, and that was called health. And everything is evolving in life. Because that came out at the same time, E equals MC squared, energy matter one. You had Thoreau's writings, the law of compensation. You had, you had music capturing the art in the moment.

• 29:55Speaker 02

  It was all about the energy, the ethers, the spirits. Nobody will know anything the mind can conceive, and true people will achieve. This was the idea. But we got so involved in our busyness that we forgot that's really the basic principles. It's time to get back to that.

• 30:12Lewis Howes?

  When did you start diving in deeper into that, everything that you've been working on now?

• 30:17Speaker 02

  It's been a process over the years, but basically been watching the results people have.

• 30:23Speaker 02

  And seeing things that changed. Like for one woman came to me in nineteen eighties and she had rheumatoid arthritis and systemic lupus, autoimmune diseases. And she hardly moved her hand and she would sit and talk to me like this and she was a social worker. So I asked her, what happened about sixteen, seventeen years? Because I felt the body and I felt at particular patterns, by two enough histories, the body gets locked in a pattern, it feels like a certain way. And do you have, any sexual abuse, it wasn't the term at that time, were you ashamed at that time? And she said, no, nothing happened. I took care of her. As I'm holding gentle touch on her neck, she screams, she curses, she punches me. She jumps over the table, she starts shaking, foaming the mouth, and she starts vomiting.

• 31:05Speaker 02

  I had high child green cup grip at that time and all I could say was, in my twenties was, crazy bitch, my carpet, that's it. Okay, okay. And this happened to her and she, and I was like, what's happening? And everyone ran in the room, she's screaming like I was attacking her.

• 31:22Speaker 02

  I went back in my reception, what happened, what did you do, she looked at you, I was going to get black and I belted me. So I went in there, I went and took care of her. And she's sitting on the floor going like this, she couldn't open her hands, open her hands, it was a thank you, thank you, thank you. But it was one of the turning points. A couple of visits later, she told me she remembered sixteen, sixteen and a half years, sixteen years, sixteen and a half years ago, her stepfather raped her.

• 31:52Speaker 02

  And she remembered that. From that point on, she was cared for four years before she moved to California, systemic lupus and her rheumatoid arthritis was gone.

• 32:02Speaker 02

  So I started seeing the relationship with that. That was in the powerful part. What happened is her body went back into the posture, it was in the time for the injury, with more energy resources, so experienced the energy differently, it brought energy source into her, it was bound up, it liberated, and now was no longer a wound. She experienced in about five minutes,

• 32:26Speaker 02

  going from the wound to a gift. I started saying this happened, this is the more powerful part. Because in answering the question, I'm looking, searching for what might be the answer.

• 32:36Speaker 02

  I took care for the next time. And I worked with it gently, a gentle touch the spine. In my earliest systems, I had a gentle touch with this. I learned what's happening from people. I want to know. You know, when you have a hunger to say, how could I help not just fix you, but help fix your world? With a hunger to do it? Somehow, communication happens. Because that person's desire to be whole and what they're here for is stronger than even my clinical capacity. They don't guide me. She said, I feel so happy, I feel so joyous. I said, why? Should I forgive him? Who, stepfather? So what did I say? You can't forgive the bastard. That's where I was at the time.

• 33:19Speaker 02

  It was my twenties, a guy, New Yorker, like. Can't. So.

• 33:26Lewis Howes?

  But it's not about him.

• 33:27Speaker 02

  That's right, that's right, that's it.

• 33:29Lewis Howes?

  Forgiveness isn't about the other person?

• 33:30Speaker 02

  That's. Well, forgiveness is energy in the field. This is it. I'll get to that. This is, I think, the crux of it. When you realize as an observer, the observer influences what's being observed. And every moment, your blessing, your cursing, your history, your past, your family. Which energy is necessary to liberate your dynamic between you and them? And that is the magic of manifestation. So I've developed systems. We take a look at when you're upset with somebody, you experience it here. When you're happy, you experience it here. When you're everything else, and if you just move where you experience it to, different energy, it's different result. So this is what happened.

• 34:13Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 34:14Speaker 02

  With this woman. She told me the next day that that night that she forgave him. That's she forgave him, it was more than that. She realized that she said to me, do you know what I do? I'm a social worker. I said, yeah, I know. She said, you know what I do? No, I work in the very pot line. If it wasn't for that, how many hundreds of girls would not be liberated? That was a gift to me. But not as a rationalization. She had more energy, her body was different. And she now recalled it with when she was, her observer recalled the experience with a higher amount of energy. So it's a gift. Nothing else changed in her life. You don't have to change your circumstance in your relationship. All you have to do is change your energetic of how you experience the world to react to it. This is it.

• 35:00Speaker 02

  That night, the father called her and apologized, did not speak to her. In sixteen years, he said, "Listen, I've been tormented." Wow. "I'm having cancer. I'm dying.

• 35:17Speaker 02

  I don't know what happened, but last night, I had just so much guilt for what I did for you, and I would hurt your life. And in making my peace, it just came to me last night. I have to apologize for the pain I caused for you." It was the same time she experienced that. Because the representation of the rape in her body and in the field was changed. So her attachment and the energy of how she's been cursing her father all along Wow. changed. She flipped that. Those are the things that helped me start on the path of looking that. That if there's no change in meaning, there's no healing.

• 36:02Speaker 02

  There's no change in meaning? There must be a healing. You must change the meaning out of the circumstance of your life. And then I realized, at some point, there's nothing to heal, just to energize and to be with. That's a whole different thing. It's big. This is big.

• 36:21Speaker 02

  We're cursing or blessing people all the time because for our comfort, we want to keep them as a story. You don't have a difficulty with your husband or wife. You don't know my husband or wife. Oh, that's good. They don't know you either. But the point is this. You have a problem with the energy you have when you experience them and the story you're making because your story gives you certainty. How's that? That's a powerful one. That's good. You're gonna watch this again. Make sure you share it. Make sure you share it with the people you've had contempt for. What's a miracle in your mind? A miracle is the natural order of how life works. So it's not really a miracle? Well, we must experience it as a miracle. The spirit is magic. The spirit is divine intervention.

• 37:04Speaker 02

  I expect miracles all the time. I expect it. That's it. Because it happens often, it doesn't mean it's a miracle. It's like faith. A miracle is an expression of what happens when faith enters a space between us.

• 37:22Speaker 02

  The most difficult thing for many people and millennials now is they have to have their certainty.

• 37:30Speaker 02

  Another thing you may have, I think this is gonna be important here.

• 37:38Speaker 02

  Seduction and romance, that has to happen more in the world, millennials, that you have to have more. Why?

• 37:48Speaker 02

  What is seduction? Massive uncertainty with a touch of fear. While you're holding the energy for something greater that may happen.

• 38:02Speaker 02

  And in that energy, the two of you, energy field gets charged, excited, that's what happens. It used to be, you give a girl a kiss, or a guy, whatevers, give a kiss. Go to war, and give it back to that person, and come back for another kiss. The Beatles sang, "I wanna hold your hand, not your private part." It's a different thing, it's a different thing. In that romance, in that seduction, magic happens. The good old days, and never when you're having certainty in reaching your goals, never, that's how you get old. It's when you don't know how the next thing's gonna happen.

• 38:45Speaker 02

  And together with the person, in the fear and the faith, something happens. They call that love.

• 38:54Speaker 02

  That's what I believe the organization Intelligence has faith in us in that way. It's a romance with us, most of the time, it's a sad sitcom, but it's a whole new thing. But this is it. The same sensory experience of uncertainty and fear without energy, it's called trauma. Of course, we're not holding a higher vision with something else of whatever. You now call the fear worry. Seduction, it's massive uncertainty, while holding a vision of something greater, for more than yourself. With plenty of energy that someone else responds to, and there's more energy, and why do you want it? Because the body responds to the energy biochemically, you're drugged.

• 39:39Speaker 02

  This is it, baby boomers, get this. I know in the States, I give my experience. We don't wanna fight in the wars that my father risked his life for. We don't wanna work for the military industrial complex. Do that. Love, sex, rock and roll. Free love, just love, no rules. We want to be in our communes of communities. Baby, I wanna let you know, millennials, you are our salvation. You are the promise of we went in the world, but we got too comfortable to go after it. Because you have your community, your online community. It's not about binding, it's liberating energy. It's a free energy of pure win.

• 40:24Speaker 02

  It's free energy of love and enthusiasm. It's a collective collaborative experience because individuals know we can't do it ourself, it must be a we. This is what's going on. It's a shared experience. I can't get him to work. Well, I'm gonna work eight hours. I'll give you a raise. Don't give me a raise. Let me take off for my birthday. Fuckin' birthday, you're getting more money here. No, no, let me have the party with my friends. Your friends more important. And I got it. Oh, my God. I hear all the things that I wanted for my generation as a teenager and a young adult. And you're helping fulfill it. And I couldn't. But I got a peace you don't have. I got a depth of wisdom.

• 41:09Speaker 02

  I have a depth of energy, a depth of perspective beyond my generation. So what has to happen now is I believe the millennials, you got the future, but the next tier of consciousness is not about binding for yourself. It's not about one of the numbers that people I have following me. It's not about that. It's not about roles, it's about souls. The second tier of consciousness, we don't have to be wounded to have greatness. Because it's not you and me, we are we, one human experience. You're seeing that now. And prosperity now is having access to you. The reason why you could be my opinion, my humble opinion.

• 41:51Speaker 02

  The reason why you can be as successful in life as you are in all different ways. It's because you're driven by distributing information to people to improve the quality of their lives. And the finances are a result of that.

• 42:06Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 42:06Speaker 02

  Because that's what you're driven by.

• 42:08Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 42:08Speaker 02

  Other models not gonna work. That's not good. You were one of the people holding the torch for this next year of consciousness. I'm giving articulating it. In this case, it's the abundant use of free energy and awareness. Free access. So, people go online. They have access to your wisdom. They have access to all the wisdom of all these people. I mean, this is unheard of in human history. There used to be a book, you had to read a book, go through it, and some people couldn't even do it. It's unheard of. There's a reward for that.

• 42:36Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 42:38Speaker 02

  Access to. Then, what is abundance? Abundance is how much you give to the field to condition it. Now, I may give to you, you may give to me. Doesn't mean, it doesn't mean it's gonna come from there. It'll come from someplace else. And some will give me an opportunity. Now, it'll be opportunity to make money. Or probably no, it'll be opportunity to serve somebody. Any choice made purely rationally is a redo. Because if it doesn't involve what would love say, what would love do, how I'm being guided, what's energy universe telling me, what is not working, what is working, not what I want less of, what more do I want to bring to the world, and what more must I bring to the world? And when you hold those things, something happens and fills you.

• 43:22Speaker 02

  And I can promise you, it's like a promise, you're privilancing, that this is what this man asks over and over and over. And that's part of, that is the school, that's the school of greatness behind the school of greatness.

• 43:33Lewis Howes?

  There you go. I like it. A couple of final questions for you. This has been very interesting and powerful.

• 43:41Lewis Howes?

  This is called the three truths. So imagine this is your last day many years from now, and you've achieved everything you want. You've reached every... Dimension, you've enlightened yourself into whatever you wanted to do or be, and you've impacted everyone you want to impact. Done it all. Whatever you want to do, you've done it. But it's the last day for you, many years from now, in your physical body. And everything you've put out in the world, you have to take with you. So no one has access to the information, your words, your videos, your books, your teachings are gone. They're with you, but no one has access. But you have a piece of paper and a pen to write down the three things you know to be true

• 44:22Lewis Howes?

  about everything you've experienced in your life, or everything you've taught or learned. And that's all the world would have, is access to these three truths, or three lessons. What would you write down as yours?

• 44:37Speaker 02

  The first one is, what would love say? What love do? How would love show up? Okay, number one. Number two, everything creation is an expression of energy and information. Choose wisely. Number three, it's all magic.

• 45:03Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, it is. Those are good, yeah.

• 45:06Speaker 02

  And you don't have to know how the trick is done.

• 45:09Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 45:10Speaker 02

  That's the faith.

• 45:11Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, that's true. Okay. Where can we connect with you online?

• 45:16Speaker 02

  Epienergetics, I'm EpiSteam, okay? Epienergetics.com.

• 45:23Speaker 02

  Epienergetics is a conscious and ecological use of energy and information which is extraordinary. And it's the magic behind everything. By working with people in healing arts, and working with people in the spinal integrity, 11 universities have studied different aspects of the work we do. We have found how to produce a human identifier, a signature of how you organize the world authentically, and help work with that. People have gotten a master's and PhD degrees studying it. I've learned from this, how living systems, how the life force, the organizing wisdom works. And it's a lifetime learning for all of us, including myself. So we'd like to invite you to be part of this collaborative community of people who are seekers.

• 46:07Speaker 02

  If you know there's more, more in the physical world. If you know you want to be more, you have to give more, you have to share more. If you know there's always more. And that's what calls you. You have a calling, you have a sense, a scent of this moron world. And you want to bring it. Then we have a way of coming home. You're gonna see the comedy unseen, you're gonna hear the comedy unheard, you're gonna feel the comedy unfelt, you'll be the comedy anew. Everything you thought was important was replaced by everything that is important. And finally, hopefully, real soon, for the first time in your life, you'll come home. And there's always Homer at the energetics.com.

• 46:45Lewis Howes?

  There you go. And they can sign up for everything there and check it out.

• 46:48Speaker 02

  Take a look and look at all the information, all the information there.

• 46:50Lewis Howes?

  Cool.

• 46:51Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 46:51Lewis Howes?

  One more question for you. Before I ask you, I want to acknowledge you for a moment, Donny, for your incredible work in trying to, not trying, but supporting so many people around the world through showing them who they truly are and bringing them back home. I think it's really powerful what you've been able to do, and you've been making a massive impact on so many people, so I acknowledge you for that. This is the final question, it's called the greatness question. So what is your definition of greatness?

• 47:16Speaker 02

  Greatness is an experience of a connection beyond yourself and the forces that are in existence and the ability to manifest it in the world.

• 47:31Lewis Howes?

  Thanks so much, Donnie.

• 47:32Speaker 02

  It's my pleasure.

• 47:33Lewis Howes?

  Appreciate it.

• 47:33Speaker 02

  Thank you, thank you, thank you.

• 47:37Lewis Howes?

  I hope you enjoyed this episode, my friends. If you did, as always, take a screenshot of this on your phone right now, tag me on Instagram stories, on your Instagram page, on Twitter, Facebook, at Lewis Howes. And the link for this is lewishowes.com/617. Share it out. All the show notes, the full video interview is back at lewishowes.com/617, so you can learn more about Donnie and everything he's talked about over there. Everything else we covered in this interview is back there. But this is all about how do we have more abundance in our life, abundant energy? And there's always something we can do to increase our level of awareness and alignment with our body and who we were born to be.

• 48:22Lewis Howes?

  I hope you enjoy this one. And again, you were born to do something great. You weren't born just to show up, live an average life, and die. That's not who you are, that's not why you're here, that's not what this is about. This experience is about you discovering who you are, what you love, what you're passionate about, what you're excited about, and how you can leave this world better. Than when you found it. That's what this is about. But you need the energy, you need the abundance to be able to take on the challenges, the adversity, and the journey that comes along with it. So I hope you got some value from this episode. Again, if you did, share it out with your friends online, anywhere. Tag me at Lewis Howes. And as always, you know what time it is. It's time to go out there and do something great.