398 Wim Hof on Mastering Your Breath, Body and Mind

"We are the alchemist of our own body." - Wim Hof If you enjoyed this episode, check out show notes, video, and more at http://lewishowes.com/398 Warning - important message, please read carefully: The breathing exercise has a profound effect and should be practiced in the way it is explained. Always do the breathing exercise in a safe environment (e.g. sitting on a couch/floor) and unforced. Never practice the exercises before or during diving, driving, swimming, taking a bath or in any other environment/place where, should you pass out, a serious injury could occur. Wim Hof breathing may cause tingling sensations and/or lightheadedness. If you’ve fainted, it means that you went to far. Take a step back next time. The cold is a powerful force. We strongly advise to gradually build up exposing yourself to the cold. Always train without force and listen to your body carefully. If it is not practiced responsible, there is a risk of hypothermia. Do not practice the method during pregnancy or when having epilepsy. Persons with cardiovascular health issues, or any other (serious) health conditions, should always consult a medical doctor before starting with the Wim Hof Method. Get more from Lewis! Get my New York Times Bestselling book, Make Money Easy! Get The Greatness Mindset audiobook on SpotifyText Lewis AIYouTubeInstagramWebsiteTiktokFacebookX

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• 0:00Speaker 00

  This is episode number 398 with the Iceman, Wim Hof. Welcome to the School of Greatness. My name is Lewis Howes, a former pro athlete turned lifestyle entrepreneur. And each week, we bring you an inspiring person or message to help you discover how to unlock your inner greatness. Thanks for spending some time with me today. Now let the class begin.

• 0:33Speaker 00

  What an incredible interview I just had with the Iceman, Wim Hof. He put me through about a 30-minute breathing exercise where I didn't know if I was about to hyperventilate, or if I was about to prepare myself for the Olympics. But what I experienced was something so profound and so incredible that my body felt completely rejuvenated by the end. I felt like I had superhuman strength, and I felt like I could breathe more normally and more naturally than I ever have before. What he put me through was an extreme exercise of breathing, and in a way that I never experienced it.

• 1:16Speaker 00

  And it was so profound and so powerful, we videotaped the entire thing. So make sure to check out the full video at lewishouse.com/398. Now, we did this before the interview, and it was just so interesting to hear the way Wim was talking to me as I was going through this breathing exercise multiple different times, breathing in and out, holding my breath on the way out, holding it on the way in. You'll have to watch to see the whole thing. But for those that don't know who Wim Hof is, he is a Dutch daredevil, commonly nicknamed "The Iceman" for his ability to withstand extreme cold.

• 1:57Speaker 00

  Now, Wim describes his ability to withstand extreme cold temperatures as being able to turn his own thermostat up through breathing exercises. This is what he does. He's He's also a coach, an author, a speaker who trains people around the world in his cold endurance methods. Now, he holds 26 world records. It's pretty incredible, including a world record for the longest ice bath. Now, we're not talking about the ice baths where like I used to take when I was, you know, playing football after practice and after games. These are extremely cold, long ice baths. The ones I did were about 10 minutes long.

• 2:38Speaker 00

  He also climbed to 22,000 feet altitude at Mount Everest, wearing nothing but shorts and shoes. He reached the top of Mount Kilimanjaro in his shorts, just shorts, within two days. He also completed a full marathon above the Arctic Circle in Finland in temperatures close to minus four degrees Fahrenheit. He broke the ice endurance record twice. The Guinness World Record is now set for one hour and 52 minutes and 42 seconds by Wim. And he has done so many more things. And in this interview, we really break down how to master breathing, how to master your

• 3:22Speaker 00

  breath on an extreme athlete, an extremely mental performance point of view. If you have any stress in your life, any anxiety, any fears, any doubts, any concerns, any uncertainty, then I'm telling you, this is for you. If you want to be a better performer in your life, in relationships, business, career, health, the gym, on stage, then this is for you. I'm telling you guys, this was so profound and so powerful that it changed the way I think about performing in my life. It changed the way I think about every single day moving forward. And in the interview here, we walk through a four-minute calming method.

• 4:06Speaker 00

  You can practice daily to help you overcome any stress and any anxiety. This four minutes will change your life. Wim also breaks down how breathing exercises helps cure different types of diseases, different types Of anxiety and different types of depression. It's pretty powerful stuff. He also talks about how stress is related to chemistry in our bodies. What uncontrolled stress does to your body and how to avoid this. Why Wim uses cold to increase health and endurance? And we've got a discount code for his breathing course. So for those that want to master this and learn about it. I highly recommend getting it. I've gone through it. It's incredible.

• 4:49Speaker 00

  You get a 20% off discount code if you use the word greatness. And you can get all that information for the links to his program at the show notes. LewisHowes.com/398. Now, I'm already telling you to get this program on breathing because I just know you're going to find this extremely profound. I've never met someone as focused, as clear and as intense and a little crazy as Wim. Really enjoyed this interaction, getting to connect with him before afterwards. Incredible way that his mind actually thinks. So without further ado, I hope you guys enjoy this one as much as I did. Uh, and I'm glad I didn't die in the process, but I really learned to master my breathing.

• 5:34Speaker 00

  So I hope you enjoy this one with the one, the only Iceman, Wim Hof.

• 5:45Speaker 00

  Welcome everyone back to the School of Greatness Podcast. Got a very special guest, the legendary Wim Hof, the Iceman in the house.

• 5:51Lewis Howes?

  Thank you.

• 5:51Speaker 00

  Thank you for being here. You just put me through an incredible experience. Uh, where I almost fainted and passed out a number of times, but also felt completely free and in the zone throughout the entire time as well. And feel like I, I just came back from a week long experience throwing a big event in Columbus, Ohio. And it was a lot of energy, a lot of people came in from all over the world, a lot of production behind the scenes. And last night and this morning, I felt very groggy. And now I feel like cleansed, fresh, clean, like energized. I feel.

• 6:23Lewis Howes?

  Like I didn't even have that week.

• 6:24Wim Hof?

  It's almost Ant Podcast.

• 6:26Lewis Howes?

  Exactly, yes.

• 6:28Wim Hof?

  The proof is in the pudding.

• 6:29Lewis Howes?

  Exactly.

• 6:30Wim Hof?

  You showed it. You can show the techniques to,

• 6:33Lewis Howes?

  It was amazing.

• 6:33Wim Hof?

  You know, by the podcast or to everybody.

• 6:36Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 6:36Wim Hof?

  But we are going to explain and going into the depth right now.

• 6:39Lewis Howes?

  It was amazing. And before we go into it, I'm curious to know, you know, I first heard about you about two years ago, I believe it was. There was a thing online called the Ice Bucket Challenge. Do you remember hearing about this?

• 6:50Wim Hof?

  Yes, yes.

• 6:51Lewis Howes?

  The ALS Ice Bucket Challenge?

• 6:53Wim Hof?

  Yes.

• 6:53Lewis Howes?

  And a friend of mine named Aubrey Marcus, he's the CEO of a company called Onnit. And he's good friends with Joe Rogan, who I know you've been on his podcast. He mentioned, he was like, there's this guy in somewhere in like the Netherlands or Amsterdam who's like, can sit under the water in an ice bucket for, you know, an hour or something.

• 7:12Wim Hof?

  Two hours, yeah.

• 7:13Lewis Howes?

  Two hours. And, uh, and he goes, so I'm gonna try to like figure out his techniques so I can do this ice bucket challenge and not feel cold. And that's when I first heard about you. And then I did a workout with Laird Hamilton about a year ago. For an hour and all we did was breathing this for an hour. And I remember feeling, man, I gotta meet this guy, this Wim Hof guy and figure out how to learn this and how to share with my audience. So. First off, how did you get into all this before we get into the science behind it and what you've actually done? You've broken 27 world records, is that correct?

• 7:44Wim Hof?

  Six, six, six. Very soon, 27.

• 7:47Lewis Howes?

  Very soon, 27.

• 7:47Wim Hof?

  I aim for 30.

• 7:49Lewis Howes?

  30, okay.

• 7:50Wim Hof?

  Yeah, nice, nice number.

• 7:51Lewis Howes?

  What's the, what's the, uh, name a few of the world records, just so people know what they are.

• 7:56Wim Hof?

  Like swimming under the ice on the, in Finland, Lapland, beyond the polar circle. In, uh, in wintertime. And then breath hold. There you go. 50, 60, 70, 80 meters. Uh, once that 113 meters, just breath hold. In shorts or run a marathon beyond the polar circle in shorts.

• 8:21Lewis Howes?

  That's sub-zero?

• 8:22Wim Hof?

  Training, yes. Minus 20, minus 30.

• 8:25Lewis Howes?

  Minus 20, shorts.

• 8:26Wim Hof?

  Yes.

• 8:26Lewis Howes?

  Five hour run.

• 8:27Wim Hof?

  Yes.

• 8:28Lewis Howes?

  Oh my gosh.

• 8:29Wim Hof?

  And, um, or climbing Kilimanjaro, Mount Everest in shorts.

• 8:34Lewis Howes?

  Just shorts.

• 8:35Wim Hof?

  And, uh, that's it. That's the challenge.

• 8:37Lewis Howes?

  Everest?

• 8:37Wim Hof?

  Everest, up till the death zone. And, uh, they say, uh, I could have done, uh, probably a lot more over there, but.

• 8:48Lewis Howes?

  How high is the death zone?

• 8:50Wim Hof?

  I, I, I'm crazy, but I'm not a fool.

• 8:53Lewis Howes?

  How high is the death zone?

• 8:54Wim Hof?

  I always listen, uh, uh, it's like twenty-three thousand feet.

• 8:59Lewis Howes?

  So you climbed twenty-three thousand feet?

• 9:01Wim Hof?

  Yeah.

• 9:01Lewis Howes?

  In shorts?

• 9:01Wim Hof?

  Yes. And, uh, actually no problem because you had to go acclimatize. You had to go ten times doing north call.

• 9:09Lewis Howes?

  Up and down, right? Yeah.

• 9:10Wim Hof?

  North call, up and down, up and down, up and down. So it became, uh, yeah. It's just adaptation.

• 9:18Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 9:18Wim Hof?

  Adaptation. And it's all about adaptation. I did, uh, without training, uh, marathons in the, uh, beyond the polar circle as well is in the desert.

• 9:30Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 9:30Wim Hof?

  Because in, uh, both, uh, occasions, it is temperature impact on the body and knowing how to deal with that. And, um, hanging by one finger at one and a half kilometer in the winter time. I mean, in freezing temperatures and you lose always this control within the hands because the blood retrieves and, and just by one finger, uh, one and a half kilometer up the air. And, uh, yeah, what else? Running, uh, standing in the ice for two hours. Uh, barefoot running, uh, on, uh, on frozen surfaces. And, uh, yeah, many, many challenges.

• 10:12Lewis Howes?

  And all these challenges, two hours sitting in ice, uh, do you feel cold or is it?

• 10:18Wim Hof?

  Actually, no.

• 10:19Lewis Howes?

  You don't feel cold?

• 10:20Wim Hof?

  I feel, I, you, uh, translated into force. And it's learning how to deal from a force awakened within with the impact of the force, uh, uh, on your body. So I learned how to do that. So, and then you don't feel the force anymore. You neutralize the force. So, and, you know, scientists, they saw this. And they, they saw actually a person doing impossible feat. Physiologically measured by scientific investigations, research, et cetera. Tells us, we are, hey, what he is doing is, is not possible.

• 11:05Wim Hof?

  So let's test him. And I, they, I was tested in a physiological lab. Department somewhere in the university in the Netherlands. I live in Amsterdam, it was somewhere else in the Netherlands. And they hooked me up with wires everywhere. And took my blood while I was standing, eighty minutes in ice.

• 11:32Lewis Howes?

  One eight, eight zero.

• 11:33Wim Hof?

  Yes, eight zero minutes.

• 11:37Wim Hof?

  Eighty, one hour twenty minutes.

• 11:39Lewis Howes?

  Just standing all the way up to the neck?

• 11:40Wim Hof?

  Yes, up till the neck. And they had my blood being drawn. And they saw that the blood, which later was exposed to a bacteria, had zero reaction. So no immunological reaction on the bacteria. And that means that's, that's not possible normally. Where, because the immune system creates this reactions, which in a human creates fever, headaches, uncontrolled shivering, all over agony and all that. And this guy, it's immune cells, it doesn't, it doesn't react.

• 12:25Wim Hof?

  So that's a direct relationship with the immune system, which could not be influenced. And now show that it can be influenced. So they saw that, they saw also that be, while I was in there, my core body temperature remained thirty seven degrees. Or throughout, they saw also, and that's very remarkable, being motionless in front of the tank.

• 12:55Wim Hof?

  Without being inside, no trigger, just standing, taking blood, being analyzed, that blood, because I knew I gotta go in. So I programmed my body up till cell level, apparently, because there was three hundred percent more metabolic activity.

• 13:14Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 13:15Wim Hof?

  And that was in the blood, without moving. It's like you are running and it's only because your mind says, I gotta go in there. It programs the cell, cell activity, which you need to perform. And that's the mind, and that could be not only good for supporters, who are into winning, they learn to program the cell to create more cell activity.

• 13:41Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 13:42Wim Hof?

  At will. And that's very important, that they know that and that they just focus instead of being, ah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I gotta do this, ah, yeah, the best, and but my mortgage and my car, and my wife, and my man, and this, all, no, just be there. And show that you are the master within every cell of yours, which then is able to create a lot more energy. And with this breathing, which you just did, that combination makes it, makes us the alchemist of our own body. So I found that out, but first I had to do all these twenty six records and

• 14:26Wim Hof?

  coming in the picture and in the media and television and all. And then science came in. And now it has been proven that we, as the first group in the world, that the scientific history, that the autonomic nervous system can be influenced deeply. Everybody can do this.

• 14:46Lewis Howes?

  Hmm. Everyone and you've had a lot of people go through workshops with you where you've taken them in the water, you've taken them up mountains, who?

• 14:55Wim Hof?

  Last January, I had a man, seventy-six years old, no prior mountaineering experience, and he climbs Kilimanjaro, six kilometers, in forty-four hours.

• 15:09Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 15:09Wim Hof?

  No problem.

• 15:10Lewis Howes?

  Seventy-seven.

• 15:11Wim Hof?

  Seventy-six years old, now he's seventy-seven, far. It was just one month before having his following birthday, and he is really on. It transforms a person, because it's like a rabbit, one day before it dies, it's still on, it's still able to flee, fight, even, you know, all these primordial realities, which is the five F's: food, freeze, flight, yeah, I'm not gonna go into that. But it's very, a rabbit is able to do that, a rabbit is a mammal, but we are mammals,

• 15:56Wim Hof?

  we got mammalian physiology, but we got our mind too.

• 15:59Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 16:00Wim Hof?

  And we actually disturb a lot of our physiology throughout life because of uncontrolled stress. Now, I brought this man back into learning to control his stress hormone, and we have shown in the university, people lying in bed, controlled stress hormone, producing more adrenaline, lying in bed, being high, like you were right now, more than somebody in fear going into his first bungee jump.

• 16:33Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 16:34Wim Hof?

  You see what I mean?

• 16:35Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 16:35Wim Hof?

  That's control over the hormonal system, and that actually, the stress is also able to block and to intervene with our physiological processes in the depth of our body, and we have no control. Now, we can retain, regain control over the deepest, not only of this physiology, but also the brain.

• 16:57Lewis Howes?

  Right. How often do you practice this breathing strategy? I mean, there's lots of different strategies you have, but how often do you practice the one we just did with me?

• 17:06Wim Hof?

  I like to do it actually this time, this way.

• 17:11Wim Hof?

  Not too, not too much.

• 17:12Lewis Howes?

  Not too much.

• 17:13Wim Hof?

  But I'm into.

• 17:14Lewis Howes?

  Once a week, once a month, once a day.

• 17:16Wim Hof?

  Whenever I feel.

• 17:18Lewis Howes?

  Okay.

• 17:18Wim Hof?

  I had years and years, I saw all the lights and electricity and images and all that. I can retrieve at any time.

• 17:27Wim Hof?

  Right now, I do a lot conscious breathing.

• 17:31Lewis Howes?

  What does that look like?

• 17:31Wim Hof?

  Conscious breathing is during the day. Because now I know it's learning to control the alkalinity, the pH level within the body. It's good for that. And if you really have nasty matters, issues in the tissues, then you are able to, like depression, anxiety, then you are able to tap in and you know that this one works.

• 18:00Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 18:00Wim Hof?

  And it works. We, we are doing neurological brain research very soon. And it's because they see this works.

• 18:10Lewis Howes?

  If someone's feeling overwhelmed and stressed on a day-to-day basis and they can never feel to get rid of the stress. They try to meditate, they try to get massages, they try to do all these other things, but they don't try to breathe, what's something they could do if they have a minute throughout the day?

• 18:25Wim Hof?

  A minute?

• 18:26Lewis Howes?

  A minute or two, you know, a minute to five.

• 18:27Wim Hof?

  Four minutes.

• 18:28Lewis Howes?

  Four minutes, cool.

• 18:29Wim Hof?

  Okay, four minutes. I got a great exercise, four minutes.

• 18:32Lewis Howes?

  They're overwhelmed, they're stressed, they're freaked out.

• 18:33Wim Hof?

  Well, later, I'm gonna do this with you.

• 18:36Lewis Howes?

  Okay.

• 18:37Wim Hof?

  Four minutes.

• 18:38Lewis Howes?

  Perfect.

• 18:38Wim Hof?

  And should I say it right now?

• 18:42Lewis Howes?

  Sure.

• 18:43Wim Hof?

  Or we do it and then we talk about it. We could do that. But it's not so difficult. Okay, I talk about it.

• 18:51Lewis Howes?

  What I did back.

• 18:51Wim Hof?

  I just make you do, relax, you know? You're not relaxed because you're full of stress. But anyway, I say, just loosen up the body a little. Stand, just mind your body for now, just four minutes. So shut up there. Just be and feel who you are. You're gonna, you feel your feet on the ground, your arms, and that's it. And now breathing. Let go.

• 19:22Lewis Howes?

  Should we stand up and do, is it standing or is it sitting?

• 19:24Wim Hof?

  Oh, shall we do this?

• 19:25Lewis Howes?

  Let's just stand up right here and keep the mics on.

• 19:26Wim Hof?

  Yeah, okay, you do that.

• 19:29Lewis Howes?

  It'll work?

• 19:29Wim Hof?

  You should be able to do pushups.

• 19:31Lewis Howes?

  Okay, cool, we can do it too.

• 19:33Wim Hof?

  Yeah.

• 19:33Lewis Howes?

  We can make it work.

• 19:34Wim Hof?

  Okay, get the timer on.

• 19:36Lewis Howes?

  Okay.

• 19:37Wim Hof?

  If we get a timer on that you see it's four minutes.

• 19:41Lewis Howes?

  I gotta do pushups, huh?

• 19:42Wim Hof?

  And what we do right now is do, make a physiological reset of the nervous system. And the shape of the body is becoming better.

• 19:53Lewis Howes?

  Alright.

• 19:54Wim Hof?

  And it is no affect.

• 19:56Lewis Howes?

  Alright.

• 19:57Wim Hof?

  It feels like, hey, I can go on, what's happening? That's chemistry.

• 20:01Lewis Howes?

  Okay.

• 20:02Wim Hof?

  Going into the deepest of body and learning how to control stress hormone. So if we are too stressed, we gotta go to the mechanism who is producing the stress and we have no control. With this one, you reset the stress hormone mechanism, the brain stem.

• 20:22Lewis Howes?

  Okay.

• 20:22Wim Hof?

  Within four minutes.

• 20:24Lewis Howes?

  Okay.

• 20:25Wim Hof?

  And after which, you feel good. Cause the connection is there and I'm not saying feeling is understanding.

• 20:32Lewis Howes?

  Mm-hmm.

• 20:33Wim Hof?

  Okay, there you go.

• 20:34Lewis Howes?

  So standing.

• 20:36Wim Hof?

  Let's start there.

• 20:37Lewis Howes?

  Sarah's gonna test it as well.

• 20:38Wim Hof?

  Yeah.

• 20:39Lewis Howes?

  You might need to open the door and have space out there for you, Sarah, if you, unless you can do.

• 20:43Wim Hof?

  Are you able to do pushups over there?

• 20:44Lewis Howes?

  I'll make it work.

• 20:45Wim Hof?

  Okay.

• 20:46Lewis Howes?

  We'll move the camera, I'll make it work.

• 20:48Wim Hof?

  Yeah, you should be able to do.

• 20:51Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, I'll be good.

• 20:52Wim Hof?

  To do that. Okay, timer on? Okay, I say now. Breathe in.

• 21:01Wim Hof?

  Let go.

• 21:04Wim Hof?

  Breathe in.

• 21:06Wim Hof?

  Twenty-eight. Get them in again. Just go with the flow.

• 21:13Wim Hof?

  No minding, just go.

• 21:16Wim Hof?

  You feel what you feel as you're breathing.

• 21:22Wim Hof?

  We are oxygenizing the body right now. It's getting into all the cells.

• 21:30Wim Hof?

  Not only the carbon dioxide is going down, oxygen is getting in. Body becomes alkaline. What do you need to perform? You need alkalinity. Because of the oxygenation, alkalinity comes in. That's what you need to perform. Now, because you are so stressed, you are not connected to the brain stem. In the brain stem is the directory of the hormonal system. We will consciously go into a physiological state of not having oxygen, because we're gonna do push-ups after exhalation,

• 22:16Wim Hof?

  that turns on the brain stem and resets whatever is causing the stress, the hormonal system, the stress hormone adrenaline, epinephrine, cortisol, and it is controlled. It resets it. Okay. And you get a good figure out of it. Now, you got already a good figure? Okay, no minding about that. Go on.

• 22:42Wim Hof?

  Fifteen.

• 22:45Wim Hof?

  Forty. Let it go. Go into it. Thirty. Get your mind on. You know what the mind is able to do. Just get your mind on. Into the cell. I do my best, the best will come about. And it's no competition. It's just going into the depth of the body and the brain.

• 23:09Wim Hof?

  Eleven.

• 23:12Wim Hof?

  Ten.

• 23:16Wim Hof?

  Nine. Take a man. Come on, Louis.

• 23:28Wim Hof?

  And how? Lewis Howes. That's the way. Yeah, it's fun too.

• 23:38Wim Hof?

  Five.

• 23:40Wim Hof?

  Four.

• 23:44Wim Hof?

  Three.

• 23:49Wim Hof?

  Two.

• 23:53Wim Hof?

  One.

• 23:57Wim Hof?

  Here comes the last one. Fully in.

• 24:01Wim Hof?

  Let it go. Stop. Push ups. Just go. Looking good. No air in the lungs. Mind is resetting. The hormonal system is resetting. There is no doubt.

• 24:20Wim Hof?

  Amazing. Good.

• 24:24Wim Hof?

  Good. And relax. This is the way to get into the depth of the brain, the directory of stress hormone,

• 24:36Wim Hof?

  and all cells.

• 24:37Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 24:38Wim Hof?

  Yeah, man. It's the adrenal axis completely under control. Four minutes. How much did it take? Oh, less than four minutes. So, anybody can do this. Gets a good figure, resets the nervous system, doing a great job, you know?

• 24:57Lewis Howes?

  How many did you do? Twenty pushups? What? How many can you usually do? Three?

• 25:05Wim Hof?

  Wow.

• 25:05Lewis Howes?

  Three, maybe?

• 25:06Wim Hof?

  Well done.

• 25:07Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 25:08Wim Hof?

  Well done.

• 25:09Lewis Howes?

  Tip's got to set up the cameras for one more moment while we're talking.

• 25:12Wim Hof?

  They were good pushups, by the way.

• 25:14Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, a little bit chest in the ground.

• 25:15Wim Hof?

  Yeah, yeah, I saw them.

• 25:16Lewis Howes?

  I have a... I broke my wrist playing football, so I have to do one on the fist, but...

• 25:21Lewis Howes?

  Wow. Yeah, I did thirty-five. And I can usually maybe do like, I don't know, 20, you know, without having to take a break.

• 25:29Wim Hof?

  Wow, yeah, yeah, amazing. It's good. You know, we talked about stress, uncontrolled stress for people who are living in stress. And for them, this is excellent because it trains the body and it trains the brain to become consciously under your, at will, under your control.

• 25:52Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, because if you're stressed out and you do this for four minutes, I mean, I've got a sweat. I've released any tension. You can't think about anything else.

• 26:01Wim Hof?

  Yeah, that's it.

• 26:02Lewis Howes?

  You have to focus on beating your record or trying to do as many as you can.

• 26:06Wim Hof?

  Yes.

• 26:07Lewis Howes?

  And, uh, yeah, I wouldn't see why you'd be stressed afterwards, or at least you would be able to release a lot.

• 26:11Wim Hof?

  You test it out. You will probably meet, you know, many people who are stressed and, you know, famous or a lot of responsibility, pressure and all that, creating a, and just do the four minutes.

• 26:28Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 26:28Wim Hof?

  So you see the miracle of life happening in front of your eyes.

• 26:32Lewis Howes?

  So you're breathing for four minutes or you breathe for three and a half and then do?

• 26:35Wim Hof?

  No, it's like two minutes, two and a half minutes.

• 26:38Lewis Howes?

  Okay, cool.

• 26:39Wim Hof?

  And then you do that.

• 26:40Lewis Howes?

  Crazy.

• 26:41Wim Hof?

  And then, yeah.

• 26:42Lewis Howes?

  Two minutes of breathing and then go in the pushups.

• 26:44Wim Hof?

  And you get a nice figure out of it.

• 26:46Lewis Howes?

  There you go.

• 26:47Wim Hof?

  And your stress hormone is directly under your control. That's the way nature meant it to be, by the way. But we alienated from nature, so we don't know. And then it runs into loops and we don't know how to break through. There's one breakthrough.

• 27:02Lewis Howes?

  Amazing. How many can you do from that?

• 27:06Wim Hof?

  I don't know.

• 27:08Lewis Howes?

  You never get stressed. You don't have to do it.

• 27:11Wim Hof?

  I do a lot. When I want, regularly I do 50, but I did 100 as well.

• 27:19Lewis Howes?

  100? No breath?

• 27:20Wim Hof?

  No breath.

• 27:21Lewis Howes?

  Amazing.

• 27:22Wim Hof?

  Yeah. The body is amazing. The chemistry is amazing and what we are able, capable of doing is amazing. Just do it.

• 27:31Lewis Howes?

  Wow. Incredible. Incredible. Um, why did you get into this and how did you get into this type of research and just testing for yourself in the first place?

• 27:41Wim Hof?

  You know, every person has got his own, his own search to do.

• 27:48Wim Hof?

  When I did my search, I felt there is more. I don't know what, there is more. But that creates a drive, even though you do not know, it creates a drive to get to know. You become a soul searcher. And then you come and stumble upon things. And many, I visited many religions, traditions, cultures, etc., languages, disciplines, esoteric disciplines, yes, philosophies, etc. Oh, but they never were really capable of making that connection which originated from that drive.

• 28:30Wim Hof?

  There is more, I don't know what it is, but there is more. Until I met the cold water. The cold water made me is merciless, but righteous. It brings you direct in contact with a deeper part of your own physiology, the way nature meant it to be. And then I knew from the inside, this is it.

• 28:55Wim Hof?

  I don't know why, but this is it, it feels. Feeling good is being connected.

• 29:02Wim Hof?

  So, the other day I came back and I felt the same. And from there, I began to do it all winter long. I mean, winters here is no winter to me. To me, it's freezing temperatures, frozen waters, making an hole, bang, bang, bang, and getting in. It's sort of mystical. And there I learned that if you breathe deeper in the water, you are able to do so much more. You know, the impact of the water, which is cold, is power, it's force. And you learn to breathe. Then you learn that by deeper breathing, you learn to tune,

• 29:45Wim Hof?

  you're able suddenly to stay in the water for so much more. Only 25 of these breaths, which you were doing right now, I was doing in the water.

• 29:59Wim Hof?

  And then I could stay for five, six, seven minutes under the ice.

• 30:03Lewis Howes?

  You're breathing in the water.

• 30:05Wim Hof?

  In the water, yes. It's a.

• 30:08Lewis Howes?

  Deep breaths in the water.

• 30:09Wim Hof?

  You know, oxygen you need for combustion. Combustion is energy. So you learn to breathe deeper and then the body's chemistry is becoming stronger. Alkaline, and then it adapts to the situation.

• 30:28Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 30:28Wim Hof?

  Not only in the cold, also in the heat, also Mount Everest, also in any stressful situation.

• 30:35Lewis Howes?

  So if we breathe that way, like we just did, or like what I did on the couch, we should be able to feel fine in extreme heat or extreme cold or extreme stressful situations.

• 30:46Wim Hof?

  Yes, it's all stress.

• 30:48Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 30:49Wim Hof?

  And if we just regulate the chemistry inside, then it's able to adapt to the impact. And impact can be caused by, yes, heat, but also by grief. Or somebody has a gun on your head. That's stress.

• 31:12Lewis Howes?

  Absolutely.

• 31:12Wim Hof?

  Yeah, and a war.

• 31:16Lewis Howes?

  Sexual abuse.

• 31:17Wim Hof?

  Sexual abuse. And any stress is relates itself to chemistry, relates itself to force. Are we able to counteract on that? Yes, we have a power to adapt to the situation. And we can do that consciously. And how? Just do this, because it has been shown that it works. Now, you wanted to get into the deepest, best podcast ever. That's what I want too, so let's get to the bottom of things.

• 31:53Lewis Howes?

  Okay.

• 31:54Wim Hof?

  And get into a new insight.

• 31:57Lewis Howes?

  Let's do it.

• 31:57Wim Hof?

  How? I don't know, but we adapt now. And you have done the breathing up till now. And now I want to demystify, say, the limits of the brain, of the perception. And how? It's all here. So I wanna feel it.

• 32:16Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 32:17Wim Hof?

  I wanna see it.

• 32:18Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 32:18Wim Hof?

  Uh, uh, I'm into this brain research and I want also to show that it affects uh, expanding consciousness. Expanding consciousness is associating uh, the uh, and connecting tubes within the brain becoming more, changing your perception. What is consciousness is perception. But if you learn more, your perception becomes wider, that's expanding consciousness. It relates into the brain that the neurology is connecting more. But if you are sick or too stressful or too conditioned, then it's not able to uh, connect more, thus you don't feel spirituality, you know?

• 33:03Wim Hof?

  Yeah, it becomes dull. Because it begins to be a loop.

• 33:07Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 33:07Wim Hof?

  How many times do you need uh, uh, to see from a loop not to become dull, you know? It's logic sense. So we have this capacity to get into the brain and to uh, uh, to connect consciously uh, the, all these channels, the neurology.

• 33:28Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 33:28Wim Hof?

  Uh, ganglia cells and whatever they called, but they connect. And that spirituality and that spirituality should be de-abstracted and become a way of life for everybody accessible. We are going to show this. So I'm here, once again, to spread my mission, but also to learn of you.

• 33:51Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 33:52Wim Hof?

  Uh, because I, I use your insights as well, right now, right here. Your way of thinking and being, your, whatever you, I'm, I'm sharing, but you are sharing too.

• 34:04Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 34:04Wim Hof?

  So, and we share this with everybody. And very soon we will show that spirituality is uh, de-abstracted, is a great feeling.

• 34:15Wim Hof?

  Of channeling insight and it's growing. Nothing will become ever dull anymore. Is that possible? Let us challenge all science. We are into that. I'm talking to Professor Huberman about it. And he understands. Because he saw what I was doing. And he is doing it himself. And first, we are going to tackle some of the biggest problems in the US. Let's say, mental problems, which is PTSD, fear, anxiety, trauma, depression. Are we able to tackle that? Yes, sir. We are going into the brain. And this is what we do right now.

• 34:59Wim Hof?

  I already feel right now that I've learned of this situation here. Talking to you straight, because we are just investigators of the life, the soul. We talk from the heart. We had the fanciness there. And that's because we did it all already. We showed this macho thing. We get out of the way. We want, soon, we will be not here anymore. We want to find out everything there is. And let it be the way nature meant it to be. And this is why I'm here. So.

• 35:40Lewis Howes?

  I love it.

• 35:41Wim Hof?

  I love it too, man. I love the life.

• 35:43Lewis Howes?

  When was the first test that you did? How old were you when you first were like, let me get exposed to water or to cold or to the breathing?

• 35:50Wim Hof?

  Yeah, it was in 2007. I was in New York doing a world record in the, in front of the Ruben Museum of Art, Himalayan Art.

• 35:58Lewis Howes?

  I mean, when was the first time in your life you started practicing?

• 36:02Wim Hof?

  Oh, practicing, 17 years old.

• 36:04Lewis Howes?

  17.

• 36:05Wim Hof?

  Yeah, 17. And I found out, you know, already from 12 years old, I was on to psychology, Hinduism, Buddhism and all that. Yes. Yeah, that's something deep. It's inside and it doesn't know what it is, but it wants to know what it is. So you dive into your grave and you dig in and all kinds of traditions, cultures, disciplines I did before. And when I was 17, I got into this cold thing. And then I won't a searcher, you know, if you have been looking in all kinds of things already, you become a, you know, a, a, a, a, somebody who's searching for something, a searcher,

• 36:49Wim Hof?

  a researcher, actually, of the life. But then, you still then invite it, but when you fight it, you know what it, that it is there. So I found out there, there, there was, there. So from there on, I built up, I challenged my body more and more, more, more, more. And I was very secluded because everybody thought I was crazy and I'm still, I still am. But that's about the life.

• 37:18Lewis Howes?

  But now you're more accepted.

• 37:20Wim Hof?

  Yes, yes, more accepted, yeah, you could say that, you could say that. But you need crazy people, you need pioneers, you need people who go beyond it all, what we think. Because now we found out as the first group in the scientific history, to be able to influence into the autonomic nervous system, the immune system, the endocrine system, take possibly away depression, fear, trauma, because those are the real terrorists.

• 37:53Lewis Howes?

  Did you grow up living in fear or trauma from anything?

• 37:55Wim Hof?

  I think so. I think I never was satisfied with what was going on in the world. And how, that's a traumatic birth I'm relating to and I talk with my mother about it. You had also a question about who's the most influential person in your life? Who was that? That was my mother.

• 38:17Lewis Howes?

  Really? Why?

• 38:18Wim Hof?

  Because mothers always are the most influential, really. Because they, they give you the tit, they are, they are there. And they, they care for you and even do, they sometimes do not know, they still care. Without words, they're unconditional, they are there.

• 38:40Lewis Howes?

  What was the biggest lesson she taught you?

• 38:42Wim Hof?

  Just to, to be very, she always said, hey, don't be, don't act crazy, you're crazy enough already.

• 38:52Lewis Howes?

  You're not following her advice really well.

• 38:54Wim Hof?

  I, I do, I think right now she's, she, she passed away. But she is very proud of what I do because I believe. And she was a very Christian person, very believing, very religious. And even though she did not know everything, she was very religious, very devout. And I think I got this devotion that's going discipline into a discipline anyhow with anything.

• 39:25Lewis Howes?

  Was there ever a time in your life where you lost belief in yourself?

• 39:30Wim Hof?

  Whoa, that many times I've encountered almost, you know, death. And then I'm losing it.

• 39:40Lewis Howes?

  How do you come back from that type of experience?

• 39:42Wim Hof?

  Yes, yes.

• 39:43Lewis Howes?

  How do you retrain your body and your mind to believe in the next record, the next adventure?

• 39:47Wim Hof?

  Yeah, actually, very quick. An example, for example, is the first time I had to do a record with the Guinness World Records, swimming under the ice, say fifty meters. One hole here, one hole there, one meter of ice. And then breath hold, freezing waters, beyond the polar circle situation. And then the day before I had to do the actual record, I went in, I had no goggles on. I lost the way because I lost sight, it got frozen, the cornea, the retina. And I lost it. I did hundred and thirteen meters.

• 40:28Lewis Howes?

  Because you couldn't find the hole.

• 40:29Wim Hof?

  And I couldn't find it all.

• 40:31Lewis Howes?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 40:31Wim Hof?

  I almost, no, in the end I fainted. But I did not feel any agony. I felt actually quite peaceful. After minutes and minutes under the ice, swimming, you exhaust your body. And I got this narrowed vision, boom, just seeing that, that's physiological. And then I went down swimming. It was all okay. It was like I was swimming into the death unconsciousness. And then somebody grabbed me, a diver. And he brought me back to the 50 meter hole, which I love.

• 41:12Lewis Howes?

  You kept going past the hole.

• 41:13Wim Hof?

  Yeah, yeah, deviated, yeah, completely off, yeah, yeah. And it was the rehearsal, so the diver was not underneath the ice. He was still locked there, but hey, I was for minutes too, much too long. Then they, what, yeah, then they found me under the ice.

• 41:34Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 41:34Wim Hof?

  That's a moment.

• 41:36Lewis Howes?

  So how do you come back from that? How do you train your mind to believe in yourself again?

• 41:39Wim Hof?

  At that moment, I actually had 100, I overcame the fear of death, of dying. There was no agony. That's strange. And that's past my perception of what I thought was death, you know? Hey, and there is nobody wants to die. It's maybe it's much more beautiful out there. In the afterlife. And now we gotta live. I always say, I'm not afraid to die, I'm afraid not to live. Yeah, quotes and things, but based on experience. And so I really defied death and the fear for death over there.

• 42:23Wim Hof?

  Not defying like I did it, no, it happened. And I learned from it to take away my fear for death. So, and then the other day, I only had to do 50 meters, which was a piece of cake.

• 42:37Lewis Howes?

  Couple butterfly kicks and you're there, huh?

• 42:39Wim Hof?

  That's it.

• 42:40Lewis Howes?

  Came out happy?

• 42:41Wim Hof?

  Yeah, yeah. Okay, the winner. That was my number one record.

• 42:47Lewis Howes?

  Do you face fear now when you go into some extreme challenge? Or in any part of your life?

• 42:53Wim Hof?

  Good question, any part of the life, because it's all about the life. Actually, no, I'm a man on a mission.

• 43:01Lewis Howes?

  No fears?

• 43:01Wim Hof?

  Oh, no, no, no, no.

• 43:03Lewis Howes?

  Not afraid of anything?

• 43:04Wim Hof?

  No, no.

• 43:04Lewis Howes?

  Kids?

• 43:05Wim Hof?

  No.

• 43:06Lewis Howes?

  Your life?

• 43:07Wim Hof?

  Maybe my kids sometimes, you know, they are very aggressive. No, no, no, no, no. We are very, you know, living in a very good harmony, very effective. We, they all work with me now. Fear, no. I'm a man on a mission. I want to take away fear, you know irrational fears, traumatic fears. Fear is created because you do not handle mental issues. As grief, emotion, PTSD, trauma, depression. Those things we are going to tackle and somebody's got to do this. And I should have no fear to accomplish that.

• 43:51Wim Hof?

  You know, a man on a mission should not think in fear. You should go and accomplish his mission.

• 43:58Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 43:58Wim Hof?

  And be focused. So there I am. I feel fear like everybody because it's natural too.

• 44:04Lewis Howes?

  Mm hmm. You feel fear of failure, is that what you said?

• 44:07Wim Hof?

  No, no, I fear, I feel fear like everybody.

• 44:12Lewis Howes?

  But it doesn't hold you back from moving forward?

• 44:14Wim Hof?

  Absolutely not, come on, man, it's much too important. If you got a child and your child is on the road and there is a car coming. You're not in fear, you just go for your child. You're not thinking. That's feeling. I see it is time to prove that we all are able to become happy, strong and healthy. All of us.

• 44:39Lewis Howes?

  So how do we start to overcome our fears?

• 44:42Wim Hof?

  By learning that we are able to control in the brain, the directory of the brain. That is the primitive brain, the brain stem. And that makes you able subconsciously to act in any situation which is could come. Because subconsciously, we feel we are not able to confront ourselves in any situation. We got this fear. It creates fear. And that's logical. Now, if you are able to learn to control any situation, the way nature meant it to be. And that is to have control over the primitive part of the brain. Then this fear is subsiding.

• 45:26Wim Hof?

  And fear is always there and say, don't go. If this is a, an abyss.

• 45:34Wim Hof?

  Don't go over there, it will show.

• 45:37Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 45:37Wim Hof?

  And if you respect that, I will do here one handstand on the on the abyss, its border. And but not go over it. You learn to control it.

• 45:50Lewis Howes?

  Sure. Why do you think it fears that one of the biggest things that holds us back in our lives from achieving our dreams and achieving the life we want? Why is it the thing we don't teach in school on how to overcome, but we teach everything else?

• 46:03Wim Hof?

  Exactly, exactly. We we learn about, you know, geography, mathematics and and language and all these history and all these things, but actually we should bring in the the subjects happiness, strength and health.

• 46:18Lewis Howes?

  That's why I created the school of greatness.

• 46:20Wim Hof?

  Oh shit.

• 46:21Lewis Howes?

  Because I didn't learn much in school, because I was I was one of the worst students in my class.

• 46:25Wim Hof?

  You look like Superman here, man.

• 46:27Lewis Howes?

  Thanks.

• 46:28Wim Hof?

  Yeah, Hollywood is very near.

• 46:30Lewis Howes?

  This is this is the reason why I started the podcast, because there are so many things that I still want to learn. I'm on a I'm on a journey myself to discover how to be my best self.

• 46:38Wim Hof?

  I think you're doing a good job.

• 46:40Lewis Howes?

  Thank you.

• 46:40Wim Hof?

  I can feel it.

• 46:41Lewis Howes?

  Thank you. But I wish we would have learned these things in school. I wish they would have taught us breathing, meditation.

• 46:46Wim Hof?

  Yes.

• 46:47Lewis Howes?

  How to overcome anxiety.

• 46:48Wim Hof?

  Okay, let's simplify back. Right now, we are in the universitarian books, full chapter on the immune system and the green system.

• 46:58Lewis Howes?

  You guys are, yeah.

• 46:59Wim Hof?

  What is happiness? That's hormones. We do not know how to control our mood all all the time. Sometimes we are a little bit depressed or this or that, overstressed or this or whatever. We have never learned in school how to control, how to intervene in that what creates our mood. And so related to hormones. So are we able to tap in deeper than ever thought before? Into the hormonal system, which is the originator of our mood? Yes, we are. We have shown that.

• 47:37Wim Hof?

  And the green systems in the university books, it's already there, back, or based on dates, blood results and and thousands of them. So it's there. What is strength? Strength is adrenaline, cortisol. This is the way nature meant it to be. In dangerous situations, you need your strength for effectiveness of the body, the nervous system, etc. So.

• 48:01Wim Hof?

  Have we an ability to tap into this hormonal system in the depth to create more adrenaline anytime we want and to create a control, overall control in order for stress not to become stressed? Yes, we have. We have shown this. As I told you, more lying in bed, creating or producing more adrenaline than a person standing before its first bunker jump in fear. So that's a mood and that is power or strength.

• 48:41Wim Hof?

  And then you got health. Are we able to tap into all the layers of the immune system? Yes, we have shown that. That may enable people, 12 people from the scratch, just in a couple of days, to enter into the immune layers of the specific immune system, which means that is the deepest, that is the T cells, the B cells. And what do you need to prevent from bacteria to come in, to have a direct contact with the T cells, B cells, the specific immune system? Before, they thought it is not possible to tap into that. It takes five to seven days, you know, like a flu, then suddenly it's over. Why?

• 49:25Wim Hof?

  Because the specific immune system is triggered and it takes five to seven days. But now, in a quarter of an hour. That should be a subject in any classroom to take on in the journey of life for every kid.

• 49:41Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 49:42Wim Hof?

  So the hormonal system and the immune system, which is related to mood, power and health, those should be subjects back.

• 49:53Lewis Howes?

  Do you ever get sick doing all this ice cold therapy stuff?

• 49:57Wim Hof?

  Sometimes I get, you know, when I get a lot of responsibility, like bringing people like this 76 year old man up Kilimanjaro and having no casualties and things, then you take on a lot of psychic stress.

• 50:14Lewis Howes?

  The energy, yeah.

• 50:15Wim Hof?

  And it takes about a day that I feel when I'm home, when mission is completed, it takes a day.

• 50:24Wim Hof?

  And then I got enough and then do some breathing and it's over.

• 50:28Lewis Howes?

  Like for like a cold or like the flu or something?

• 50:30Wim Hof?

  Yeah, yeah, I saw the flu.

• 50:32Lewis Howes?

  Like flu, like just a little exhausted.

• 50:34Wim Hof?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 50:35Lewis Howes?

  Gotcha, but you never really get sick?

• 50:37Wim Hof?

  No, no.

• 50:38Lewis Howes?

  Cause you're always fine tuning yourself and you gotta take it on.

• 50:41Wim Hof?

  I do what I program my body to do.

• 50:44Lewis Howes?

  Amazing. What would you say for someone who has got a nasty cold or a flu that, you know, usually takes a week or two to kind of like get over? How could they?

• 50:53Wim Hof?

  Just do this breathing.

• 50:55Lewis Howes?

  You think so, huh? Do it every single day?

• 50:56Wim Hof?

  No, that's what is shown in comparative study because they create with bacteria injecting, a flu-like, a severe flu-like symptoms. And now within a quarter of an hour, it's all suppressed.

• 51:10Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 51:11Wim Hof?

  Yes.

• 51:13Lewis Howes?

  Amazing.

• 51:13Wim Hof?

  Only for that, already bang.

• 51:15Lewis Howes?

  Amazing. What's the, there's a quote, you probably, you probably know it.

• 51:20Lewis Howes?

  Master the breathe, master your breathing and you have the strength of 10 tigers or 10 lions. Have you ever heard this quote where you're like, learn to master your breath and you have the power or the strength of 10 tigers?

• 51:30Wim Hof?

  Yes, because you learn to, I mean, that's a different story to, I'm planning to do, some friends are Maasai, they walk with lions. They are able to go into the lions' dens and territory and the lions actually are afraid of them.

• 51:50Lewis Howes?

  Really? How?

• 51:50Wim Hof?

  So 20 lions, little kid, 12 years, Maasai comes and they go bang, bang, bang, bang.

• 51:57Lewis Howes?

  Why?

• 51:58Wim Hof?

  Why? Because they go past their fear, they have control, they tune, they adapt. And the breath, they are, it's easy, it's not fast because of their anxiety.

• 52:11Lewis Howes?

  They're not scared.

• 52:12Wim Hof?

  Because when they are, when you become scared and they know, then a lion can smell you. Then you are in the line of the foot pyramid, you are, you're weak, you should be gotten out of the, of the life, you know?

• 52:29Lewis Howes?

  So if you're in the woods.

• 52:30Wim Hof?

  That's survival of the fittest.

• 52:31Lewis Howes?

  So if you're in the woods with a wolf or a bear or whatever, someone is coming to attack you, how should you respond with the breath?

• 52:39Wim Hof?

  At ease, like going into a stressful situation, like you can measure it with ice water. When I bring people in one afternoon, something like that. Eh, no experience in the ice water, ice water is like a knife.

• 52:59Wim Hof?

  If you have no experience.

• 53:00Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 53:01Wim Hof?

  More even, because the body is conditioned and it blocks while the force comes in and it needs to be counted. And it's blocking from the inside and is not able to get there, then you feel the cold even like a knife. Um, but in one afternoon, I bring them over there. Eh, just still, just breathe and stay with the breath. Let the body do what it is able to do, do not block, just go with the breathing. Your mind is then in the breathing, it's not blocking with this conditioning of yours. The conditioning is, is a second nature.

• 53:37Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 53:38Wim Hof?

  It's an attitude, but it's also chemistry. And it's, eh, it's fine if you walk in a city, but not in extreme situations. Then you need the full flow, you need to learn to let go. And eh, at the moment when the bears are coming to you, then eh, then you gotta go with the flow. Actually, the bear, if you are totally relaxed, he won't do anything.

• 54:07Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 54:08Wim Hof?

  Yes.

• 54:09Lewis Howes?

  Have you ever experienced any type of wildlife attack?

• 54:13Wim Hof?

  No.

• 54:14Lewis Howes?

  Or stressful situation?

• 54:15Wim Hof?

  Eh, eh, extreme situations.

• 54:17Lewis Howes?

  I don't know.

• 54:17Wim Hof?

  No, polar bears, no.

• 54:19Lewis Howes?

  I guess you just swim away from them.

• 54:21Wim Hof?

  Human bears, yeah, like you. No, I trained, eh, you know, big fighters too and things. They all become very eh, at ease. I, I always tell them, eh, I don't know how good you are, I don't care how good you are, I'm gonna make you better. So listen. Together, we get that.

• 54:42Lewis Howes?

  Do you, do you, when you get into ice cold, do you prepare a certain amount of breathing before you go in? And then it's during, or is it just when you get in? How do you like get your mind right? If you're a beginner, obviously you have, you know.

• 54:54Wim Hof?

  If you are a beginner, then.

• 54:57Lewis Howes?

  Even just a cold shower, you're just like, I'm.

• 54:58Wim Hof?

  Yes, cold shower.

• 55:00Lewis Howes?

  You're already like shaking before you get in because you know it's gonna be cold.

• 55:02Wim Hof?

  Exactly.

• 55:03Lewis Howes?

  How should someone prepare for that?

• 55:04Wim Hof?

  Exactly. You gotta know two things. If you're. If I go before I do a record, for example, measured, then without moving, I've already programmed myself. I'm gonna go into that ice and I need to perform. And the body knows. And it has been shown without moving, blood been analyzed, 300% more activity of the cell. That is combustion, that's energy. And it's just because I were thinking so. So if you begin to think, oh, it's gonna be cold, it's gonna. It's gonna be, it's gonna be a really cold.

• 55:46Lewis Howes?

  What's your mind process? Like, walk me through the minds.

• 55:50Wim Hof?

  The mind.

• 55:50Lewis Howes?

  10 minutes before, what are you thinking before you jump in?

• 55:53Wim Hof?

  Yeah, relax. You're, you're about to go in. I know now. Just breathing. I know sometimes these retentions, I should did. When I approach, I already got the.

• 56:13Lewis Howes?

  You're fully relaxed now.

• 56:15Wim Hof?

  I'm fully relaxed. You know where I learned this? I learned it by climbing without ropes, without gear.

• 56:22Lewis Howes?

  On the ice or just on rock?

• 56:24Wim Hof?

  No, on rock, on rock. And I learned to, just to read the rock. Oh, I can do this. And that means I'm in the math, in the math. It's not that I'm writing, oh, so much, that's a solution. No, that's the difficulty of the rock. That's the texture, this is the weather, this is the pressure. I feel it, it's all there automatically. And I feel it, it's called intuition. Intuition, instinct.

• 56:55Wim Hof?

  And it makes a great measurement.

• 56:57Lewis Howes?

  Huh.

• 56:57Wim Hof?

  And then I see, I read it.

• 57:02Wim Hof?

  And that is no problem. I go climb, no minding, just feeling. And I do it. And that, that, it's there where I learned that we are able to program the body. Even in extreme conditions, especially in extreme condition, it should be impeccable. You should be able to, to trust it completely. So I learned to trust it. And then, and then the body is able to do so much more than we think. We are full of fear in society because of what we have created. We have created a world which is controlled.

• 57:45Wim Hof?

  But when we get out of that controlled world, then suddenly it all becomes dangerous. But it is not. Our nature is quite able to adapt to so much more. And we have lost this. And I, I brought this now back.

• 58:06Wim Hof?

  And made it sort of beneficial by studies that we are able to tackle disease far more better and depression far more better than we ever thought before. And those need to be the subjects in the, in school.

• 58:20Lewis Howes?

  Absolutely. What's your, what's your morning routine look like?

• 58:26Wim Hof?

  Breathing is always there. You know conscious breathing. Right now, I'm a man on a mission. And I'm in, every day I think about what do I got to do with

• 58:40Wim Hof?

  upcoming research and the research being done up till now is going to be published. New studies on pain, inflammation on the brain, brain stem. All these things are happening right now. So I'm taking care of that within myself, minding. Then conscious breathing, of course. And when I need, I do pushups or stand on one hand or go into a core. I think January, I got a new sort of goal. I want to do Kilimanjaro. Six kilometers on barefoot.

• 59:14Wim Hof?

  And in twenty four hours.

• 59:16Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 59:17Wim Hof?

  Uh, that's go, you know, uh, uh, you said it. And then once again, I'm programming my body to function.

• 59:24Lewis Howes?

  Prepare for it.

• 59:25Wim Hof?

  Yes, uh, uh, and conditioning by itself.

• 59:28Lewis Howes?

  Mm hmm. How important is setting a vision for yourself or for anyone? How important is it to see the vision, to see the goal well far in advance? So you can prepare for it as opposed to just hoping it happens?

• 59:39Wim Hof?

  Yes. Uh, know that the power of the mind is so, uh, can be so strong. I've learned it now that whatever I think will become reality.

• 59:55Wim Hof?

  And my mission is not materialistic gain so much. Yeah, of course, I need to take care of my family.

• 1:00:01Lewis Howes?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:00:02Wim Hof?

  And that's all done, but how much do you, do you need money and materialistic things? It's only up till the degree that it satisfies and that it makes you happy. And then from there, it's just money grieving more, more, more, more, more, more, more. Hey, fine, not with me. I like happiness, strength and health. So I got my mission and anything I'm thinking therein is, uh, is becoming reality. So, and sometimes I test it because I'm dealing with people. I deal with a scientific establishment, with the existent establishment of how to make money and, uh, industry and, uh, uh, and all that.

• 1:00:46Wim Hof?

  So I have to interact and learn how to reach my goals therein. It's not only me, it's, uh, receiving, sending, receiving, sending until I reach the goal. But what is my goal? My goal is to the school of greatness. Life is great, man. And that it is. And now we have to bring the fundamentals into our schooling system. Cause we love our kids.

• 1:01:15Lewis Howes?

  Absolutely.

• 1:01:16Wim Hof?

  Caring and sharing begins over there.

• 1:01:18Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:19Wim Hof?

  It's not only about this, uh, the society. I, you know, Baltimore, I saw, I just saw a documentary on Baltimore. And they said, it's a shame of America or something, you know, all these, uh, the, the back streets. And they have no money, no possibilities, this and that. And they became, get into this loop and, uh, now they have begun to meditate on the school. They, with the kids. And, uh, and it has broken through this depressive state of being. And I think that's great. That's only meditation already is stop, go, uh, uh, uh, uh, go within the limbic system.

• 1:02:01Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:01Wim Hof?

  And take away the anxiety and live there. Because you know what happens if you, if you don't do that? The dominant neocortex brain, our thinking brain is able to extract 25% more blood flow all the time. So it's taken it from somewhere else. That are, it is the limbic system and the brain stem. And thus the chemistry inside that brain is changing. And logically, if the chemistry changes, no accessibility, no, uh, be, not being able to control or to enter, not feeling peaceful.

• 1:02:42Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:43Wim Hof?

  And the depth anymore. It's all logic. So meditation is able possibly to break through there. And children are still, uh, very open, uh, to it. And they recognize the, uh, the nature of our mind.

• 1:02:59Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. I want you to ask a question at the moment, so have one ready. But I, I'm writing a book about masculinity. It's called The Mask of Masculinity. The things that hold men back from their true greatness.

• 1:03:10Wim Hof?

  Wow.

• 1:03:10Lewis Howes?

  And I'm curious to get your opinion and your idea about what masculinity means to you. You're someone that people look up to as this, you know, adventurer, this guy, this guy who pushes the limits, this. You know, they might have different thoughts about you because you do these extreme things for yourself.

• 1:03:28Wim Hof?

  It's a beautiful question.

• 1:03:29Lewis Howes?

  So what do you think masculinity is?

• 1:03:31Wim Hof?

  I mean, the macho thing, you know, I did it all. I swam under the eyes, climbed Mount Everest, Kilimanjaro, run marathons without training, hang by one finger and many other things. I have exhausted my machiness. So, but I'm still there, eh? I still want to, I want to be sane, I want to be strong, healthy and happy, okay? At my will. So, January, I'm gonna do this stupid feat like barefoot going up Kilimanjaro. But the real, the real value isn't now, the macho thing, the masculinity,

• 1:04:14Wim Hof?

  is in achieving happiness for your children, care, caring and sharing. As much as for, I think you, the masculinity is, is being tested by how much love you are able to spread. Because if you do so, you are the protector. And that makes you a real man. The protector of emotion, of softness, being able to be for everybody.

• 1:04:41Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 1:04:42Wim Hof?

  And how we do it, you do it like this, Luis, how? How? Like this, the school of greatness. How to bring the school of greatness. Now we are coming together. Here we are able to, you know, to bind these minds and bring it as a message, something new. And it's happening, it's happening. And that is my idea of masculinity. How much love are you able to protect for your, for your loved ones?

• 1:05:15Lewis Howes?

  That's powerful. Do you feel like you still, do you feel like you need to prove anything to yourself or to others by doing these feats? Or do you feel like it's more to show people what's possible?

• 1:05:26Wim Hof?

  Yes, it's, I mean, the, the, the strong edges are gone of that, but...

• 1:05:33Lewis Howes?

  Would you say that was you in the past?

• 1:05:34Wim Hof?

  Yes.

• 1:05:34Lewis Howes?

  You wanted to prove?

• 1:05:35Wim Hof?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I lost my wife in 95. She suicided. I stayed alone with four kids. Then you're just broken hearted. And society goes on like with the speed of a train. And if you don't catch on, you lose it. But my kids made me like survive, be strong, every day, present. And nature cured me. Because going into nature and into the emotion. So, um, yeah, I forgot the question, sorry.

• 1:06:17Lewis Howes?

  Do you feel like you've, you're not doing it to prove your mindfulness anymore? You're doing it to show people what's possible?

• 1:06:23Wim Hof?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right now, yes. You know.

• 1:06:28Lewis Howes?

  To inspire.

• 1:06:29Wim Hof?

  By showing it scientifically that everybody is able to do that. It's taking away ignorance big time. I think the big devil is in ignorance. And if we take it away, then the love appears, you know, then there is no. You are able to program yourself, your DNA? Yes, we proved it. You are able to control strength, happiness and health? Yes, we did it. And now we are going to demystify what is expanding consciousness, which is actually the natural state of our mind. That's why we are born to feel the sense in depth of spirituality. Because it's love.

• 1:07:13Wim Hof?

  You know, uncontrolled stress hormone, people have to know this. Uncontrolled stress hormone will culminate in anxiety out of control. To, if you do this, breathing in the morning, then all the day you're like alkaline. Anxiety is because the acidity in the tissue is becoming too high. And when chemistry is wrong, it gets out of your control. The brain alters chemistry. But it's not able to deal with it anymore. With the amount of acidity in the tissue. Now, if you do this breathing, and we have shown this just in a completed study,

• 1:07:57Wim Hof?

  that people's pH level, bang, up 20 minutes.

• 1:08:03Wim Hof?

  Really high.

• 1:08:03Lewis Howes?

  So you're saying you're unable to be stressed.

• 1:08:05Wim Hof?

  Yeah, I'm sorry.

• 1:08:06Lewis Howes?

  You're unable to be stressed when your your level is that high is what you're saying?

• 1:08:09Wim Hof?

  Yes.

• 1:08:10Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, it's less, it's more resistant to stress.

• 1:08:12Wim Hof?

  Stress, a stress hormone is.

• 1:08:13Lewis Howes?

  Eliminated from your body essentially.

• 1:08:15Wim Hof?

  It's the natural state of ours to be able to control stress. But this one got out of line, chemistry is wrong, and we do not know how to take away the this wrong chemistry, which is acidic in the tissue. Now, if you do this in the morning, you not only make it more alkaline and suddenly your stress hormone mechanism is within your control, you can take a lot more. And what's this, I feel a lot better. How? Because you changed at will your chemistry in into the right one, the the natural one.

• 1:08:57Wim Hof?

  So five hours later, they they took the blood and they saw high pH level within 20 minutes. And then five hours later, they took it again. They say it still so. So this is a very effective way.

• 1:09:12Lewis Howes?

  Prevent it.

• 1:09:12Wim Hof?

  To prevent. And if they really got an attack or something, psychosis or this or that or whatever, just do the four minute exercise. Because it resets the nervous system. Nervous system is related to the directory of the hormonal system, the brain stem. We do it because we exhaust at that moment at will the the brain stem's parameter for oxygen. And it shoots in, bang, the adrenaline and the adrenaline, bang, resets the body to its most of effectiveness. We use the cold to see if you are able to remain calm. That means.

• 1:09:57Lewis Howes?

  Under the stress.

• 1:09:58Wim Hof?

  Yes. That means that the internal processes are within your control. So the cold is your mirror. You gotta love it. It's it's not freezing cold and it's ah ah ah no. It's a mirror and it shows you you are in your natural state. And there you can handle any other stress.

• 1:10:19Lewis Howes?

  So it's a practice, practice in the cold, if you're fine there, you should be able to be fine in the world.

• 1:10:24Wim Hof?

  Yes.

• 1:10:24Lewis Howes?

  Interesting.

• 1:10:25Wim Hof?

  Yes.

• 1:10:25Lewis Howes?

  I like it. And just to repeat the question Sarah was asking, so that everyone can hear it, was asking, how do you um understand when you're dealing with a lot of stress, how to be aware of it? And when was replying by preventing it by practicing it in the morning? And your pH levels should be higher to be able to withstand the stress.

• 1:10:42Wim Hof?

  Any person can show it by himself with a pH paper.

• 1:10:47Lewis Howes?

  Hmm hmm. Is that what you like, what do you do, lick that or what do you do?

• 1:10:50Wim Hof?

  Oh yeah, uh.

• 1:10:51Lewis Howes?

  Pee on it, got you. Saliva or pee, it has to be.

• 1:10:53Wim Hof?

  Saliva or pee, before, after.

• 1:10:56Lewis Howes?

  Before, there you go. Do you have any other questions? It's good, right? Okay. Um, I want to ask this question. You've done so many incredible things. You've done so many things, broken records, you know. Every scientist wants to research you, you know, all these different things. What's the thing that you've done, either that we know of or we don't know of, that you're the most proud of?

• 1:11:20Wim Hof?

  Oh, that's interesting. You know, every time you do something like that, you go into it hundred percent. So the intensity of the experience every time is big. And then to make a difference, I mean. Imagine six kilometers high, uh like a twenty thousand feet. And uh just in short, Mount Everest. And uh suddenly there is no guide, nobody. And you're standing there, there's a white out. Uh in a blizzard. And you don't know the way, you can't see the way, it's just, everything is white. And at that moment, I just.

• 1:12:04Wim Hof?

  Confronted myself, you know, your mind, it's all happening and your mind can do thousand shapes, but I felt such a deep confidence, such a deep peace overcoming me. It's like when a person has got a baby, you know, the mother has got the baby, okay, that's mom. But I experienced because I got five kids and every time when I had a baby, then at a certain moment engulfs a sudden feeling of I want to protect that baby and it's

• 1:12:42Wim Hof?

  taken over. And those are very deep moments. And that's the way nature dealt with us to have the man take care because it's such a good feeling. So he always wants to go and take care. And a thing like that happened as well there on Mount Everest. And I got many situations, but that's one. And the intensity of when a feeling overcomes you is bigger than your ego, than your attitude. That, yeah, that's really impressive.

• 1:13:18Lewis Howes?

  Love it.

• 1:13:20Wim Hof?

  And then it took me three hours to just go follow my guts and sense. And then I came at six thousand four hundred meters or, you know, higher up and I was received by tibetans in a tent and they did not look even up. Man in shorts, in a blizzard, coming out of it, coming in. They thought I was a sort of a pilgrim or something. Yeah, a believer. God's grazing it. Yeah.

• 1:13:53Lewis Howes?

  Because they're all bundled up and you're in shorts.

• 1:13:55Wim Hof?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:56Lewis Howes?

  That must have been a funny sight.

• 1:13:58Wim Hof?

  Yeah, amazing.

• 1:13:59Lewis Howes?

  And you're just walking around like, hey, guys.

• 1:14:02Wim Hof?

  I actually felt good. I overcame myself.

• 1:14:06Lewis Howes?

  Wow. Impressive.

• 1:14:07Wim Hof?

  Life is impressive.

• 1:14:09Lewis Howes?

  It is. What is something you want to make sure you do accomplish before your last day?

• 1:14:19Wim Hof?

  To live fully all the days before. That's an open one. But I want to prove and get it into the schools. That greatness is actually the natural state of our mind every day. And as long as this wonder of life is not experienced as such. We have to go and school the people and bring it to science. Not school the people, bring it to science. And show that spirituality actually is the normal, very sane state of the mind way nature matter to me. So I will keep on trying to make sure, at least to take away fear, anxiety, depression.

• 1:15:04Wim Hof?

  But a whole lot of diseases and show that the cause is actually within us. And that we need to change a little bit the consciousness and that it is there. I'm just advocating happiness, strength and health. And for that, I say, it's there.

• 1:15:20Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, absolutely. Do you think we can reverse disease through breathing and mindset alone?

• 1:15:25Wim Hof?

  Yes, yes. I do think, and I want to show this, and I'm already showing this. We got a big community of people and we see wonders every day. Like people with rheumatoid arthritis. They don't need pills anymore.

• 1:15:42Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 1:15:43Wim Hof?

  Or people with depression after 10 years. Within a couple of weeks, they don't need pills anymore and they control themselves. Or Crohn's disease or even cancer. But I, it's, those are cases. This is yet not scientifically proven.

• 1:16:03Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 1:16:03Wim Hof?

  So, but I'm into the studies now.

• 1:16:06Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 1:16:06Wim Hof?

  And they are doing this. People, universities do. I supervise, but they already do independent of me studies in all this.

• 1:16:18Lewis Howes?

  Amazing.

• 1:16:18Wim Hof?

  Because they see it works, but they have to know how it works and translate it into the reductionist way science is.

• 1:16:27Lewis Howes?

  Amazing.

• 1:16:28Wim Hof?

  Numbers, figures, lot of results.

• 1:16:30Lewis Howes?

  I believe a lot, I mean. You know, I've been taught mind over matter my whole life from the religion that I grew up in, although I'm no longer practicing it per se, but it was a lot of, you know, matter is not real. It's all an idea. Everything is an idea. And we give it meaning. We give it feeling, uh, the matter.

• 1:16:48Wim Hof?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:16:49Lewis Howes?

  So I was always trained that mentally.

• 1:16:52Wim Hof?

  Quite developed, huh?

• 1:16:53Lewis Howes?

  That I was.

• 1:16:54Wim Hof?

  How, how did you, Paris did it?

• 1:16:56Lewis Howes?

  My, my father, yeah, was raised in this religion, Christian Science. And it was always told me like, there can never be any accident, any physical harm. You're an idea. You're a perfect idea. And there can never be harm to an idea. So I was just trained mentally that I can never be physically harmed over and over and over again.

• 1:17:13Wim Hof?

  You're saying the same as I do, actually, that we are able to program the cell to do a lot more than we think. So he did it this way.

• 1:17:24Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 1:17:24Wim Hof?

  By a belief.

• 1:17:25Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 1:17:26Wim Hof?

  Hey, we are analyzing it and saying, hey, this, we are an idea. We are actually not physical matter. But we attract matter.

• 1:17:35Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 1:17:36Wim Hof?

  By our idea. So if your idea is high enough and you follow it consequently, matter will not be able to get in and cluster and cause things, you know, collisions. Good dad!

• 1:17:51Lewis Howes?

  There you go. Yeah, yeah. Some good stuff. Yeah. Um, I want to ask a few final questions. This has been fascinating, so I appreciate your time here.

• 1:17:58Wim Hof?

  Yeah, I, I love it.

• 1:17:59Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. I'd love to have you come back on sometime.

• 1:18:02Wim Hof?

  I love you. I love you. I love your spirit.

• 1:18:04Lewis Howes?

  I appreciate it. Thanks.

• 1:18:05Wim Hof?

  Yeah, I know your energy. I felt it. It's, it's good.

• 1:18:07Lewis Howes?

  I appreciate it. Appreciate it. Uh, this is a question I call, I ask everyone at the end called the three truths. Okay, so it's your last day, many, many years from now, here on this earth. And you get to write down three final truths, three things you know to be true about, all of the experiences you've had that you would pass on these three lessons to your friends, family, and the world. And this is all they could have to remember you by, these three truths. What would you say you would share and write down?

• 1:18:34Wim Hof?

  Don't cry over me. Live the life. Be happy ever after.

• 1:18:41Lewis Howes?

  Simple. Effective.

• 1:18:43Wim Hof?

  It is simple. And I, I think it's effective because I, I've been thinking about this. You know, what should you give? If you love your children, you don't want to give grief. You give them while they live the right tools to become happy, strong and healthy. That's love. So and the rest, if I part and I did my job, man, let me, leave me alone. It's okay, I have my rest. I think the afterlife is even better. We just need to worry while this life is going on that we live to the utmost.

• 1:19:23Wim Hof?

  That we are, it's a different time, different dimension.

• 1:19:27Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:27Wim Hof?

  And you know, these people take ayahuasca and things and all this and people who've almost death experiences. Saw angels, the tunnel of the light and this and that, and they have come back. They are transformed. They became softer, like there is more. And with that more, they love it more. They accept everything more. And then when that death comes, they have no fear. We know there is more.

• 1:19:57Lewis Howes?

  Hmm, that's cool.

• 1:20:00Lewis Howes?

  I want to acknowledge you for a moment, Wim, for your incredible spirit, your energy, your passion for life. I don't think I've met another man like you who is so.

• 1:20:08Wim Hof?

  Wow, hey, that's something.

• 1:20:10Lewis Howes?

  Who's so driven to.

• 1:20:11Wim Hof?

  Coming from him.

• 1:20:13Lewis Howes?

  Who's so full of life, full of energy, who constantly pushes the human boundaries of what's possible, both physically and mentally and emotionally, and who is in full service, your body and your mind, to teach others. Doesn't matter what happens, you're in full service. You're in full service to the world.

• 1:20:33Wim Hof?

  Yes.

• 1:20:33Lewis Howes?

  To heal the world.

• 1:20:34Wim Hof?

  Yes, you too, me too. You recognize it? That's the masculinity all about again. Bringing love into this world. We protect our akin. We protect, that's what it is, caring and sharing.

• 1:20:49Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 1:20:50Wim Hof?

  And let's have a big family.

• 1:20:51Lewis Howes?

  Exactly. Well, I acknowledge you for the incredible gift you are. It's pretty amazing.

• 1:20:55Wim Hof?

  Great, great.

• 1:20:56Lewis Howes?

  Amazing, yes.

• 1:20:56Wim Hof?

  Thank you.

• 1:20:57Lewis Howes?

  One final question.

• 1:20:58Wim Hof?

  Yes.

• 1:20:59Lewis Howes?

  Before I ask you.

• 1:20:59Wim Hof?

  Oh, ten more questions.

• 1:21:00Lewis Howes?

  Okay, well, before I ask.

• 1:21:01Wim Hof?

  I like talking.

• 1:21:02Lewis Howes?

  Before I ask the final question or the final couple. I want to make sure everyone gets, uh, signs up for your program, Wim Hof Method, correct? We're gonna have a special code here that I'm gonna share with people in a moment, and I'll tell them where to go to get it. But make sure everyone listening and watching, you go get this right now. If you want to have any access to this power that Wim has, and this understanding and awareness, and these tools that he's developed, go get it ASAP. Again, I'll have the link ready for you guys.

• 1:21:30Wim Hof?

  It's worthwhile.

• 1:21:31Lewis Howes?

  It's 100% worthwhile.

• 1:21:32Wim Hof?

  Yes.

• 1:21:33Lewis Howes?

  There's also some free videos that people can go sign up for, so I'll have all that linked up where they can go get it.

• 1:21:38Wim Hof?

  I would do the free videos first.

• 1:21:40Lewis Howes?

  There you go.

• 1:21:41Wim Hof?

  Feeling is understanding. If you feel good, now you take on the other one.

• 1:21:44Lewis Howes?

  There you go. So I'll link you guys up. There'll be some type of discount for you guys. And, uh, do whatever it takes to get it right now. I'm telling you, it'd be amazing. So, um, any final question for you?

• 1:21:56Wim Hof?

  You got a dirty room, etc., and you're looking at it for days. Suddenly, you begin to clean up, and it feels good.

• 1:22:03Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:04Wim Hof?

  You get absolute results. Once again, you can use a pH paper.

• 1:22:10Lewis Howes?

  To test.

• 1:22:11Wim Hof?

  And you can test it by yourself.

• 1:22:13Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 1:22:13Wim Hof?

  And you know what? You got nowadays, maybe apps on the computer to do brainwave.

• 1:22:21Wim Hof?

  And there you get the theta, delta, uh, gamma. We already showed that we get into these states. That means not only that we get more control of our, our brainwaves and the depth of the brain. We know now then that it is related with the right chemistry. Why was Galileo banned from the church when he said that the, the sun is, uh, in the middle of the universe? Or our universe, and not the earth? Because it is the power establishment. And if I say, I found out that a natural method, that the people actually, if they get into the schools and everything, are able to access into their physiology far deeper than ever thought before.

• 1:23:07Wim Hof?

  Yeah, man, you take away industries. Lot of money, lot of power. But you know, it doesn't stop me. I I just say, hey, there is because we showed it. I I think there is, ah, we are, we are getting there. It's time now. That's why things like this happen. He understands me. I understand him. We understand actually the same. We are looking beyond the existent way of thinking. We are explorers because there is more. And there is also a bottom in it, but we haven't reached the bottom. Because we can reach the bottom for us. And we can go deeper in our physiology and the way we think.

• 1:23:51Wim Hof?

  But now, how about those who are fear and and are not happy and they don't know. They, how about, you know, the killer in the, in the, in the U.S. number one? It's not depression. It's a, it's arteriosclerosis. Sclerosis is a chemistry. It's calc, calcium, you know, getting into the veins, just a practical thing. It's killer number one, eh? I don't know how many. It's number one. That's a serial killer. That's a terrorist. So. Now we found out, together with some doctors, that what we do with this breathing brings down the calcification in the veins, in the arteries.

• 1:24:35Wim Hof?

  Thus tackling serial killer number one of America. Are they doing something with it? How much is the cost of a person who is? And cancer, cancer is two hundred thousand euros or two hundred thousand dollars a year a person. I don't wanna take that away. I mean, that, those are different realities. I believe in whatever benefits human mankind should, is legal to go for without fear. But the reality is still there. And we have to go to the bottom to make, to make it accessible for everybody. Every mother, every, yeah, every person.

• 1:25:20Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. Final question for you.

• 1:25:22Wim Hof?

  Yes.

• 1:25:22Lewis Howes?

  What's your definition of greatness?

• 1:25:25Wim Hof?

  Life, this.

• 1:25:28Wim Hof?

  This is my definition of greatness, life. And get to the, explore without fear. Then we all become Indiana Joneses.

• 1:25:40Speaker 00

  There you go.

• 1:25:41Wim Hof?

  I would say called Lewis Howes and Wim Hof. But any, any can do it. Yeah. Life is an adventure. And let's explore. That's opening up the mind for more.

• 1:25:55Speaker 00

  The legends.

• 1:25:56Wim Hof?

  Yeah, right on.

• 1:25:57Speaker 00

  Appreciate you.

• 1:25:58Wim Hof?

  You're beautiful.

• 1:25:58Speaker 00

  Appreciate it. Thanks.

• 1:25:59Wim Hof?

  Thanks.

• 1:26:01Speaker 00

  Wow. What did you guys think? Did you enjoy this interview? Did you enjoy the episode? If you did, let me know what you think. At Lewis Howes on social media. Make sure to connect with Wim as well. Wim Hof. You can find out all the information about him at the show notes. LewisHowes.com/398. Where you can watch the video interview as well. And also watch the video of me doing the breathing exercises before we even did the interview. We walked through this process for about 20 to 30 minutes. And you can see the entire process. You can see how much longer I can hold my breath. You can see what it did to my body. My body was literally vibrating. And you can see it on camera. So make sure to see the full video interview. LewisHowes.com/398.

• 1:26:46Speaker 00

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• 1:27:21Speaker 00

  It was like a cleansing for my body. It was like a cleansing and an optimization and alkalining for my body. And I felt so rejuvenated. I felt less stressed. So I hope you guys enjoyed this. Make sure to let me know what you thought. Share it out. Post this on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram. People need to hear this message. People who are struggling with any stress in their life, share this with them. LewisHowes.com/398 with Wim Hof, the Iceman. And if you guys want more powerful interviews and episodes like this, then again, please share this out. Spread the message of this podcast. The more people that know about this, the easier it is to get people like Wim on and

• 1:28:06Speaker 00

  big influencers and inspiring leaders in the world and top performers who are going to reveal their secrets and their strategies. So keep sharing, keep listening, and you know what time it is. It's time to go out there and do something.