368 Travis Pastrana on the Fearless Mindset to Pursue Your Passion

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• 0:01Lewis Howes?

  This is episode number 368 with Travis Pastrana.

• 0:08Lewis Howes?

  Welcome to the School of Greatness. My name is Lewis Howes, a former pro athlete turned lifestyle entrepreneur. And each week, we bring you an inspiring person or message to help you discover how to unlock your inner greatness. Thanks for spending some time with me today. Now let the class begin.

• 0:33Lewis Howes?

  Welcome everyone to the School of Greatness Podcast. We've got a very special and fun interview with a legend in motorsports competition and stunt performances, Travis Pastrana in the house. Got a great guest for you today. His name is Travis Pastrana, and he is an American motorsports competitor and stunt performer who has won championships and X-Games gold medals in several events, including Supercross, motocross, freestyle motocross, and rally racing. He runs a show called Nitro Circus and previously competed in the NASCAR Nationwide Series for Roush Fenway Racing. He currently competes in the Global Rally

• 1:16Lewis Howes?

  Cross Championship, driving the number 199 Subaru for Subaru Rally Team USA. He's been in a number of TV shows, he's been in a number of movies. He's an incredible human being, and I'm so excited to have him on here to talk about how he became so great in so many areas of the extreme sports that he does. And some of the main things we talk about are how he gets past fear and jumps into flow, especially when there's so much danger at stake, and all the injuries he's gone through, I think over 31 surgeries that he's gone through over the years. It's incredible that he continues to get past his fear and step into the flow, and how you can recreate that as well. Also, what Travis wants to

• 1:58Lewis Howes?

  teach his kids about career opportunities, why getting so many injuries and dealing with so much pain is well worth it for him, the value in messing up while trying Something new and how Travis and his wife handle each other's risk taking since his wife is a skateboarder and doing more extreme sports as well. Love this conversation. Love this interview. Travis is a stand up human being. So much joy, so much passion for what he does and he continues to step up and push the limits every single day and lift others up around him. So I know you're going to get a lot out of this one. Make sure to share this out with your friends right now. LewisHowes.com/368 and spread the word about Travis. Check

• 2:43Lewis Howes?

  out the full show notes at LewisHowes.com/368, the full video interview, all the other fun stuff that Travis does. You can connect with him over at the show notes as well. And without further ado, let me introduce to you the one, the only Travis Pastrana. All right. Welcome everyone to the School of Greatness Podcast. Very excited about our guest today. His name is Travis Pastrana. Thanks for coming on, my man. Thank you. I gotta be careful. Yeah, no, I was like, all right, let's get that. I want to grab you harder. Thank you. But you have, you dislocated your shoulder recently, right? Uh, yeah, last week. So it's always something with us, though. It's always something. And plus getting old, you know, falling apart, can't do, can't hang with the kids anymore. What's the, what's the longest you've gone without having a major injury? You know, this last time was probably the longest. It's been a little over a year.

• 3:28Lewis Howes?

  Wow, it must be amazing. Two kids, so I'm kind of, you know. Taking it easier? Not intentionally. Only doing three backflips, not going for four? Exactly, exactly. Take it a little easier. Keep the basics. Hundred foot jumps, not 200, right? Right, all the, you know, well, I mean, that depends on the jump. You can still do 200, maybe do an airbag, you know. Exactly, exactly. I want to read your bio really quick. Travis Pastrana is an American motorsports competitor and stunt performer who has won championships and X game gold medals in several events, including Supercross, motocross, freestyle motocross, and rally racing. He runs a show called Nitro Circus is where I connected with you and one of the guys on the team Trip, who was a listener of the podcast. And he previously competed

• 4:09Lewis Howes?

  in the NASCAR Nationwide Series for Roush Fenway Racing. Currently competes in the Global Rallycross Championship. Driving number 199, is that correct?

• 4:18Speaker 01

  That is correct.

• 4:19Lewis Howes?

  And um, he has also appeared in films like X Games, the movie and many other things like Ridiculousness.

• 4:26Speaker 01

  Is X Games the movie, is that considered a film?

• 4:27Lewis Howes?

  I guess.

• 4:28Speaker 01

  Alright, there we go, we're moving on up.

• 4:30Lewis Howes?

  Is this an accurate bio, or did I miss something?

• 4:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's uh...

• 4:33Lewis Howes?

  It's all accurate, right?

• 4:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, it sounds, sounds good, man.

• 4:35Lewis Howes?

  Sounds good enough, cool.

• 4:36Speaker 01

  I don't even know really what I do for a living, but it's uh...

• 4:39Lewis Howes?

  But you've made a living doing something.

• 4:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, something.

• 4:41Lewis Howes?

  And it's fascinating, because more and more people are doing, making a living around their passion, or just their creative artistry, which is what I think you are. You're a creative athlete artist.

• 4:52Speaker 01

  Well, nah, I appreciate that. And the coolest part, I mean, it was kind of an interesting upbringing with my dad, who was marine, and then motocross, which was very strict as far as, you know, you work hard, uh, you, you know, you're running every day, you're cycling every day, you're riding every day.

• 5:07Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 5:07Speaker 01

  And then kind of transitioning into freestyle, where it goes from you would knock your grandma down on the last turn, to, you know, to take the win.

• 5:14Lewis Howes?

  Sure.

• 5:14Speaker 01

  To, you know, I was going against the metal militia and Brian Deegan, and I'm like, you know, I'm 15 years old, and these guys are all tattooed up and hardcore and this and that, and...

• 5:23Lewis Howes?

  Mohawks.

• 5:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, like everything, and piercings and whatever, and Brian Deegan comes up, he's like, "Dude, that run was so awesome, man." It's like, "Hey, Miss Pastrana, how are you doing?" And I'm like, "Wait, the, the image and the, you know, they were just like, having fun." And I was like, kind of this, these two worlds that kind of collided. I was like, "Wait, you can, you can have fun and still like, this is, this is weird, so..."

• 5:42Lewis Howes?

  And where, was anyone making money when you started? Because you were really 15 when you came on the scene, is that right? Around that age, when you kind of be known?

• 5:49Speaker 01

  15 for, for action sports stuff, but, so for me, motocross was always, I mean, racing's been around since, you know, since people could ride motorcycles, trying to race stuff, you know? Uh, but at the end of the day, like, racing was where the money was. That's where the sponsors were, that's where my parents were, you know, encouraging me to, to go. That's what we had worked so hard. I mean, my dad and my mom, you know, they had a, the house was paid off, uh, when I was four, and by the time I was eight, we had a mortgage on the house. My dad sold the boat, then he sold the Harley, then we got our second mortgage on the house, and, you know, just to, to get to that racing, and then all this...

• 6:20Lewis Howes?

  For you, to pay for your stuff.

• 6:20Speaker 01

  To pay for my stuff.

• 6:21Lewis Howes?

  Because it's expensive, right?

• 6:22Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, I mean, you know, the, my dad's construction works with, uh, you know, his, his... Four of his brothers and they would actually take pay cuts to cover gas to get us from Maryland to Florida to race with the top guys. You know, when I was 10, 11, 12, like when most parents are complaining about driving across town, we're driving across country to hit the nationals and stuff. And it was, it was awesome, but then freestyle came out and I'm like, this is just, this is so much more fun. Why would, why would I try to like stay low off the jumps when I can see how big I can go? What I can do? And it was an interesting dynamic, right? As it was kind of turning there. Who was more influential for you growing up, your mom or your dad? As far as education was my mom. As far as, um, my dad always said, he was military. He's like, look, uh, my uncle was, or his brother, my uncle was quarterback for Denver Broncos

• 7:07Speaker 01

  for two years. He goes, look, he was by far and away the best athlete that Maryland has ever seen, that Annapolis has ever seen. He did everything. He made it almost all the way there. He got knocked out by Bubba Smith and he didn't really make, you know, he made enough to, to make it for those years. Then he came back working construction, um, with the family. My dad's like, look, no matter how good you are at sports, you're always going to end up right back here with the family, working construction. So he goes, you get your good grades, you work hard. He goes, I don't care if you're sick. I don't care what, this is when I'm fourth, fifth grade. He goes, you, you get up and you run a mile. It's not a long time, not a long way. You run one mile before school every day and I will drive to Florida on the weekends. You ask me to go ride and practice every day after school and I'll drive to Florida on the weekends. If you don't any day, I don't mind.

• 7:52Speaker 01

  I'll get the Harley back. I'll get the bike, I'll get the, uh, the boat back and we're not going to Florida on the weekend. So. So you got up every morning and ran a mile? Yeah. I mean, it's, it's, it's not my, it was just for him, it was just that, that motivation. Like you show me you're motivated. Discipline, yeah. So instead of when most parents were like, oh, you have to do this. My dad was like, hey, slow down. But why are you doing those jumps? Don't like, just, you're not going to make it kid, but look, as long as you keep trying, I'll put an equal effort. And that was, you know, kind of how I made it to where I did was just having fun. Amazing. Did you play any other sports, like traditional sports? Traditional sports, I mean, until I was probably eight, so nothing, nothing serious. What was basketball and baseball?

• 8:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, uh, basketballs, I've, everyone on my team said, don't shoot. I couldn't, eye hand coordination was bad. My uncle, uh, told me never get into football. So I never really knew how to throw or catch.

• 8:39Lewis Howes?

  You loved it with the pain you liked.

• 8:41Speaker 01

  Wrestling, wrestling was my thing, man. But then I got, I was just always wrestling people a lot older because I was always just so tall as a kid. So I don't, I don't know if you were tall as a kid, but.

• 8:49Lewis Howes?

  I was, I was like this tall when I was 11 or something.

• 8:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, you see, it's just, it's not good for wrestling.

• 8:53Lewis Howes?

  It's the worst. Everyone would just dive in my legs. I'd be like, I'm Matt, you know? Um, and you're, you're from Maryland, so you must be a big fan of, uh, Michael Phelps.

• 9:01Speaker 01

  He's been crushing it, yes.

• 9:02Lewis Howes?

  It's unbelievable. I was just there last week and I saw him in the semifinals for a race and it was just really cool to see his whole process from start to finish and how he executes. It's amazing.

• 9:14Speaker 01

  I, I absolutely love how he goes out and he knows now what it takes to get there. And everyone's like, oh, you're doing this wrong, you're doing that wrong. You're not training hard enough. And then he goes.

• 9:22Lewis Howes?

  He knows how to do it the last second, yeah.

• 9:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's like, uh, the deskie or whatever. She, uh.

• 9:26Lewis Howes?

  She crushes it.

• 9:27Speaker 01

  So after three days.

• 9:29Lewis Howes?

  It's unbelievable.

• 9:29Speaker 01

  Maryland had the second highest country count.

• 9:33Lewis Howes?

  I saw your Instagram.

• 9:35Speaker 01

  The Maryland Games.

• 9:36Lewis Howes?

  That's the Maryland Games. Are you friends with both of them or?

• 9:39Speaker 01

  Uh, no, no. I mean, I, I've seen Michael at a couple of the different things, but, uh, but no, for sure. It's just, it's just cool. I mean, they're, you know, it's around the same area.

• 9:46Lewis Howes?

  And is, uh, no, I might be, uh, isn't anything that you're doing in the Olympics or is it happening or the, the events you're doing?

• 9:53Speaker 01

  So right now, well, my wife's a skateboarder. Um, so she's pretty excited because skateboarding just got announced for 2020.

• 10:00Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, that's cool.

• 10:00Speaker 01

  So she's like, she's on the fence. She's like, she's, you know, there's a lot of younger kids coming up. She's, you know, I mean, for, for skating, you know, there's, there's 13, 14 year old kids that are just crushing it. So my wife at, you know, 27, 28. She's like, I'm gonna be in my 30s when the next Olympics comes out. Right now she's still, she's like, I'm still top five, but I could go back and maybe like, I don't know. It's gonna be interesting.

• 10:25Lewis Howes?

  Are you gonna try to go for anything? I guess it's only skateboarding, right?

• 10:28Speaker 01

  No, nothing with motors. I pretty much, yeah, I'm not. I'm not like the rest of my family. I pretty much need a throttle or falling or something to, you know, maybe diving. I don't know. I'm just not a, I can't do handstands anymore though.

• 10:40Lewis Howes?

  Right, right. Yeah, your shoulders are too messed up. You know, it's funny. I play with the USA National Men's Handball Team. Team Handball. I don't know if you've ever seen that sport.

• 10:49Speaker 01

  I was watching it three days ago.

• 10:50Lewis Howes?

  It's amazing, right?

• 10:51Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 10:51Lewis Howes?

  And we are the only, um, the USA is the only sport where we're not represented at is handball. So we're representing every other activity in sport except for handball. So it's unfortunate we didn't qualify. We haven't qualified in like 20 years. But, uh, we'll see in the next four years if I want to keep doing it. It's just a lot of work.

• 11:09Speaker 01

  Now, I have to ask, is, just, this is way off subject, but you know, so in Maryland, lacrosse, that's our sport. I mean, actually.

• 11:16Lewis Howes?

  The Northeast is Maryland, yeah.

• 11:18Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, it's our, uh, you know, our state sport, that and jousting, which I think is pretty awesome. So it's a coast, coast state sport, but, um, I just think it's interesting that field hockey is what the girls that don't want to get hit with lacrosse sticks do. And yet, field hockey was in.

• 11:32Lewis Howes?

  Intense.

• 11:32Speaker 01

  It wa- it is intense, but it was in the Olympics.

• 11:34Lewis Howes?

  It is in the Olympics.

• 11:35Speaker 01

  Now, is lacrosse not, I don't think lacrosse is in the Olympics.

• 11:37Lewis Howes?

  I don't think it is.

• 11:38Speaker 01

  But so why would they do the, the field hockey?

• 11:40Lewis Howes?

  Field hockey is huge around the world. And I think that's why. I don't know if lacrosse is big around the world.

• 11:44Speaker 01

  No, pretty much just Colorado and East Coast.

• 11:46Lewis Howes?

  That's it, right? Yeah. So I know that a lot of other countries are big in the field hockey.

• 11:51Speaker 01

  Do we, are we represented in field hockey? I don't.

• 11:53Lewis Howes?

  I would think we have to have a team. I didn't see a, a team there, but.

• 11:57Speaker 01

  I would just, I would feel like, man, I was like, if I was a lacrosse player, I'd be like, man, I, I don't know that I want to go field hockey right now.

• 12:02Lewis Howes?

  No, those sticks are scary and those, I wouldn't want to have my head down there when everyone's hitting you right in the face like that in the field hockey. But, um, I love the Olympics. Are you a big fan?

• 12:12Speaker 01

  I am a big fan. I'm a big fan of any sports. I love, I mean, that's, I do a lot of sports, but I love watching them. I'm just a big sports fan. But the Olympics are tough because every time you're watching, I want to see, you know, I want to see the sports. And America does a great job of building up the athletes and the stories. And my mom and everyone's so into it, but I'm like, I just go online and I'm, I just want to watch the events. I don't want to be told like what.

• 12:41Lewis Howes?

  The stories.

• 12:41Speaker 01

  The sto- the stories are great. I mean, I know everyone loves the stories, but I just like the sports.

• 12:45Lewis Howes?

  I hear you. What's the favorite sport for you to watch?

• 12:48Speaker 01

  Oh, man. You know, obviously with just Phelps, I always like to watch, watch his events. So I guess I am. I'm a sucker for personalities as well.

• 12:58Lewis Howes?

  Sure, sure.

• 12:58Speaker 01

  I may be falling in that category. But gymnastics, I think, is always cool, especially, you know, since, since Atlanta Games in 96, where, you know, the girls' team crushed it. You always just kind of, you're like, alright.

• 13:09Lewis Howes?

  I agree with you. Yeah, yeah, it's cool. I got to watch them as well. It's a lot of fun.

• 13:14Lewis Howes?

  I'm curious, you know, because you are in such an extreme sport that you, you have a lot of friends who do the same things, but not all of them have made it, right? You've experienced some friends who have, have passed on. Is that correct?

• 13:25Speaker 01

  No, without a doubt.

• 13:26Lewis Howes?

  How many, how many friends would you say, like, close friends have, have not made it from different?

• 13:30Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, you know, you had, Lusk was the X Games champion in moto, you know, and he went down. And there's a lot of, you know, you have a lot of friends that, that have serious injuries, whether they're paralyzed or can't do what they love to do. And it's, it's a really interesting dynamic, because everyone just assumes if you're in the X Games or World Games or whatever, you're, you're making all this money. But for the most part, you know, it's like going to college. You, you gotta pay off that, that debt the first couple of years.

• 13:59Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 14:00Speaker 01

  You know, and your family and everyone put everything into most of these, these riders. And, you know, a lot of them, their, their fallback, for the most part. I was very fortunate that my mom was very, you know, adamant about education and, you know, graduating high school early and, and everything before I could turn pro. But, you know, a lot of these guys, they're great athletes. They're amazingly intelligent. They're smart. They're, they're entrepreneurs. They're, they're great. But when they, they lose what their whole life has been about, their whole passion, you know, there's, there's a really tough time to, what do you do when all you did your entire life was ride dirt bikes and bicycles and run, and then you can't walk anymore?

• 14:33Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 14:34Speaker 01

  So that's, you know, and then you got...

• 14:35Lewis Howes?

  It's like their identity is gone.

• 14:36Speaker 01

  Yeah. And you got guys like David Bailey, who went in, he was, you know, 1985, 86 Supercross champion, was right on top of his game, got paralyzed, went through some, some dark times. And then he came back and won Ironman.

• 14:47Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 14:48Speaker 01

  You know, which is, you know... Two and a half mile swim or whatever, a hundred and ten mile bicycle, but everything with, with David then was with his arms and then he.

• 14:57Lewis Howes?

  Cause he couldn't walk, so he was doing all of this.

• 14:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, everything's.

• 14:59Lewis Howes?

  Biking and.

• 15:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, so it's, it's, it's interesting to see the transition of, of what these guys can make. And unfortunately, I think skydiving, base jumping.

• 15:07Lewis Howes?

  It's the worst, right? So many guys every year.

• 15:10Speaker 01

  Because we, if you're, wanna be the top at whatever you do, if you want to excel in whatever you do, you make mistakes, you're gonna push yourself a little past and even some things that aren't in your control. I mean, you might have a gust of wind or a burble or a, um, the chute, you might not have packed it just right or it opened a little funny or it had a little wind gust. And, uh, so the one thing my wife is really, um, you know, after Shane McConkey, um, who, he had really slowed down a lot. Um, you know, he was a, a free skier, uh, world champion, just amazing personality, made a living in something that no one said was possible to make a living, traveled the world, you know, got married, had a, had his daughter and was like, you know, just slowing down. So he only did a couple of trips a year, not doing the gnarly stuff.

• 15:52Speaker 01

  And, uh, he was ski base jumping, just fun jump with his friends and, uh, the, the ski.

• 15:58Lewis Howes?

  He was a parachute.

• 15:59Speaker 01

  Ski with a parachute and the, the ski didn't, um, it froze. So it didn't, one ski came off, one ski didn't put him on his back. And in base jumping, you don't get, you don't, you have a couple of seconds before you hit, you don't have time to fix errors. So if you're pushing at all, if you're even taking any risk, it, it bites you and when it bites you, there's not, oh, man, that was.

• 16:20Lewis Howes?

  Second chance.

• 16:20Speaker 01

  Yeah. Oh, I broke a leg. No, it's falling out of the sky. Um, so that's my wife is, uh, you know, as crazy as she is and as much on the same page. She's like, when you go skydive, he, skydive's pretty safe, but you know, that we lost Eric Roner last year and, um, which is, it was really, really tough. Um, you know, he's got two kids.

• 16:38Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 16:39Speaker 01

  Um, he had slowed down so much and he was just, he was our safety guy. He was the guy that came on and was like, okay, nope, that's too, this is too windy. And he would pull everyone back and there's so many times we're walking back down from mountains or, you know, climate, we, you know, scoped out buildings, there's hypothetically, not me, but other people, um, you know, to, to figure out how to get up to antennas and all this stuff. And he was always wanting, no, it's too windy. No, we'll go back down. Hey, we've, we might lose our parachutes, you might, you know, the, get, cops are not gonna be happy, but we, we can't jump right now because it's not worth the risk. And to have that guy, that mentality, someone that, that loved his family so much that would have done anything, you know, he was working so many different things to stay in the industry and the sport.

• 17:19Speaker 01

  And he dies on a skydive, not even a base jump, not, and that really took our whole community back to say, okay, you know, you warm up with the backflip in the morning, but you're still 40 feet off the ground with a 220 pound motorcycle over your head. You know, make sure you turn the gas on. It's the stupid stuff. It's like, this is not, it's every day to us, but it's not, you know, nothing can be taken for granted. Even driving to work every morning, you know, it's

• 17:43Lewis Howes?

  You never know.

• 17:44Speaker 01

  That's just

• 17:45Lewis Howes?

  You never know.

• 17:46Speaker 01

  Pay attention.

• 17:46Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, of course. How does that, I mean, how do you navigate through that when something like that happens? What do you, do you just go out and continue riding and doing your thing? Do you reevaluate? Do you say, I'm gonna hold back a little bit, you know?

• 18:00Speaker 01

  Well, I'd rather try and fail than fail to try. It's kind of like the motto that I've always grown up in. And, you know, I would rather live life and show my kids, like, how with kids can you ride dirt bikes? Can you, you know, do this stuff? So, well, I want to show my daughters that when they grow up, they don't have to go to a nine to five job that they absolutely hate, or they, you know, they can if they want to, but there are other options. You can follow your passion. If you're, you know, even if you're not making as much money, even if you're working three times the hours, if you love what you do, you know, you'll never work a day in your life. And that's, uh, what I've been really fortunate that my parents allowed me to chase this dream of, of action sports before action sports was a thing. They said, well, you know, you're gonna end up construction or whatever, but if you're

• 18:43Speaker 01

  happy, live every day and, you know, that if you can make it three days, make it three days. If you can make it a year, make it a year. Any time that you can spend doing what you love is not wasted time. And, you know, I've been very fortunate that if you're, I found that most of the people I'm surrounded by are just been so passionate that they've found a way, like yourself, you find a way to make what you love work.

• 19:05Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. So true. And it's something we talk about at the School of Greatness, is really following the thing that you love the most and figuring out how to make a full-time income around that. And maybe you have to do some side jobs that you don't enjoy on that process until you figure out how to make more money. But I just believe, like, what's the point of living if we're not doing what we love? Like, what's the point if we're not following a dream? What are we, what are we just living to survive? It doesn't make sense to me.

• 19:30Speaker 01

  No, that's, that's a hundred, a hundred percent. I mean, you couldn't have said it better. It's just for me, what would kill me more? People were like, you get injured all the time. Like right now I had a week off and I went and dislocated my shoulder and I need rotator cuff surgery. It's like, ah, but they're like, why do you keep hurting yourself? And I said, well,

• 19:46Lewis Howes?

  You're not trying to hurt yourself.

• 19:47Speaker 01

  I'm not, well, definitely not trying to, but when I'm hurt, the thing that I hate most about being hurt is that I can't do what I love.

• 19:53Lewis Howes?

  That's it.

• 19:54Speaker 01

  So why would I stop doing what I love? So I'm not hurt. Like I don't, I don't like being hurt. I don't like pain, but it's better than waking up without a passion.

• 20:01Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 20:02Speaker 01

  In my opinion.

• 20:02Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. Doing something you don't love or just to make money and survive. Man, was there, um, was there ever a jump or stunt that you did that you're like, I may not make it.

• 20:13Speaker 01

  Well, hindsight is 2020.

• 20:16Lewis Howes?

  Or you were like in the air, you're like, this is the worst idea ever or?

• 20:19Speaker 01

  Um, yeah. Every day of my life on Nitro Circus. Like, it's like, all right, I'm gonna flip a monster truck. I'm like, this is gonna be awesome.

• 20:25Lewis Howes?

  Flip a monster truck?

• 20:25Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, now they do double flips. I mean, I just, it was a pioneer. It was one of those. So I had never driven a monster truck before. So I built this ramp. It's like 20 foot tall. I'm like, all right. Like, yeah, that'll make it. And then the monster truck got there. The monster truck's huge. I was like, ah, my math was way off. Like this is never gonna work. Like the ramp needs to be twice as big. You know, I felt like, um, uh, that guy in Zoolander. Uh, it's like, it'd be at least five times bigger. So I got in the truck and I'm like, it's not gonna work. And my head's like two inches from the top. I'm like, I'm gonna land directly upside down. And yeah, I've got a roll cage and everything, but I've got two inches of like, I'm strapped in. Like I can't, I'm gonna break every bone in my body. And they're like, and action.

• 21:06Lewis Howes?

  What'd you do?

• 21:07Speaker 01

  Well, I went for it. I was like, well, that's the one thing my dad always said, hey, if you say you're gonna do something, don't open your mouth. Cause if you say you're gonna do it, back it up.

• 21:15Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 21:16Speaker 01

  And there's, there's actually, I'd say all of the, the moments in my life that I've been the dumbest moments of my life have all been because I followed that thing that my dad said. He goes, if you open your mouth, you gotta do it. So I'm a hero. First time I did something really stupid. I told my hero, Guy Cooper, I was at a national championship event, you know, all the sponsors there, everything, like my parents spent the last time to get there and in practice, right before I went out, I was like, "Hey, hey, Mr. Cooper?" I was like, "Yeah," he was like, "Do you see that big jump over there?" I was like, "Can you, can you do it?" He's like, "No, I don't know if I can," he was like, "Can you do it?" I was like, "Yeah, yeah, I could do it." He's like, "I'll be watching." I looked at my dad's like, "You know you can't, like, the bike physically won't make this." You know, I'm like, you know, 10, 11 years old, whatever, on an ADCC, only the 250 guys were doing it, one guy on the 250s.

• 22:01Speaker 01

  So I came last lap, and I was like, "Well," I said I was gonna do it, went as fast as I could. I knew 200 foot before the jump, it wasn't gonna work. Oh, my gosh. Took off, flew, you know, 10, 11 years old, I'm flying 150 feet through the air, land, and thank goodness, the bike pretty much disintegrated on landing, so the, all the spokes on the tire broke, the forks hit the ground, they went, the handlebars completely bent, and it was the softest, like, I had, it's like, two black eyes, but like, but my dad was like, "What do we do now?" That was like, $2,000 of money, it's completely disintegrated. So you landed? I didn't make the jump, so if this is the takeoff and this is the landing, I landed right where I thought I was going to. Gotcha. Uh, short. Yeah, yeah. So I landed on an uphill, basically, instead of the downhill. Okay, okay. But it kind of exploded in a place where you...

• 22:46Speaker 01

  The whole bike just caved in, so not only did I get the foot of travel from the motorcycle, but I got the half a foot from the, the wheel, and then the forks, and the handlebars, it wasn't great, but like, at the end of the day, I didn't break anything. You didn't die? Yeah, I didn't die. Amazing. Uh, yeah, so. Wow. But those are the worst, when you, when you call yourself out, like, like at X-Games or something, you're like, "I got this," and then like, maybe the trick was pretty close when you said you, you committed to it, and then it didn't get any closer. Would you ever call yourself out in a trick where you could potentially die? Like sky, like skydiving or something like that, you know? 100%, uh, but that's, it's a different, there's a different mentality of being...

• 23:24Speaker 01

  10, 11, 12, 15, 22, um, trying to make a name for yourself, trying to be in like, risk reward is always changing. For me, if everyone goes, oh, haha, you backed out, you know, oh, you're lame. I'm like. I'm alive. I'm alive. I've got two kids, family. Like, I like my life. We're good. But when you're 15, it's different. When you're 15, and not to say that you're gonna take huge risk, but you're gonna say, okay, you know what? I might not make this, but if I do, it's, it's worth it. Um, so for me, I think the closest I ever came to death was probably, um, I went in base jumping, went in the Grand Canyon, uh, did a double backflip, jumped off, did a front flip.

• 24:03Speaker 01

  And I was like, oh, I still have time. So I did another front flip. Well, when I did it, um, I noticed the bike was over me. Like, cause it had kind of flown and I had dropped faster. Um, so at that point I looked back up. And I was like, okay, we're clear. And I looked down and the chute opens, you know, in about a second, but I was just about a second above the ground. So I threw the parachute and it was where time stopped. And I'm falling and there's nothing, cause if you, if you look, the wind burble actually takes and rotates the chute. Um, and I'd already thrown it, so I'm just. It's a stair to let the ground. I'm steering it, cause on a motorcycle or every other time in my life, what makes a great athlete in our sports is being able to

• 24:44Speaker 01

  jump off the bike and be like, all right, if I don't jump off, I'm gonna break my neck. But if I jump off and do this, this and this, and tumble like this, I'll only break my ankle. Right. And you have to be, most people can't say, they just freeze. They're like, worst case, best case scenario still sucks. Where we're always, you know, thinking, what's the best case? Like a quarterback. I can't throw there, I can't throw there. What if I throw here? Yeah. Then you step, the ball's your body and yo, it's falling and I had nothing to do. I was just like, I have to stay in this perfect position. And I really hope that chute opens in the next half a second. Wow. And it did, kind of. It had half open and then I tumbled down and broke my foot and got some cactus in my butt, but it was all right. That was it, huh? Yeah, I landed on a really steep cliff.

• 25:21Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 25:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:22Lewis Howes?

  That's some scary stuff. How do you approach, um, or actually is there ever a stunt you did where you're like, I don't know if I'm gonna make this, but you pulled it off beautifully. Where you're just like, I can't believe that just happened.

• 25:34Speaker 01

  Double backflip. X Games, um, you know, it's funny because now double backflip isn't that big of a deal. But 2006, no one, you know, flips had just been

• 25:44Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 25:44Speaker 01

  Kind of out for not very long. Um, so it was kind of one of those things where I really wanted to switch to rally. I was racing Kyle McCray and I was a tenth of a second behind, like one of the greatest rally drivers of all time. The first chance that I had to win a rally, I'm factory Subaru, all of my team's there. And that final, like because we did all the, like the, the stages up to the final had all happened. And I'm like, my career in rally depends on me not messing myself up right now, like everyone's there. And that was the only thing. And I'm like, you know what? I hate those guys that go, you know, Monday I gotta go to work. So I would do that, but you know, I, I gotta work on Monday. And I'm like, you know what? I gotta work tomorrow too, but you know, we, let's pull this off.

• 26:28Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 26:29Speaker 01

  You know, I said I could do it, I could do it. And it worked.

• 26:31Lewis Howes?

  And you practiced it many times in like a pit, I'm assuming, or?

• 26:34Speaker 01

  I did 50 a day for the two months before, but out of the 50, I got, I was eight of 10.

• 26:39Lewis Howes?

  Well, it's not bad.

• 26:41Speaker 01

  It's, hey, if the lotto was eight out of 10, you'd take it every day. But when it's your body and when the other ones, you'd come down and maybe broken neck, maybe worse. You know, so I convinced myself instead of being scared, I was like, all right, are you gonna do it? I said, yes.

• 26:54Lewis Howes?

  So you committed to it in your mind first?

• 26:56Speaker 01

  I completely committed to it and I was like, well, I'm gonna make the best of whatever happens. I'm gonna pull like hell. I'm gonna do everything that I can. I'm gonna try to spot the landing the best that I can. If anything goes wrong, we'll try to, and I was just, I was like, you know what? I'm probably gonna crash. And I'm okay with that. And I dropped in thinking, do whatever you can. And it worked.

• 27:17Lewis Howes?

  It worked. Wow. Maybe because you said like the worst case scenario could happen and it'll probably crash. So let's just make sure I do whatever I can to not crash now, I guess. I don't know.

• 27:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, but I was, I had to be okay with crashing before.

• 27:28Lewis Howes?

  Uh huh. You'd accept what could happen.

• 27:30Speaker 01

  It was, uh, what's that, that movie, uh, number, um, was it number six or no, it was the, uh.

• 27:36Lewis Howes?

  Who's in it?

• 27:37Speaker 01

  That's a, man, you know what? I'm drawing blanks here, drawing blanks to forget I even said that.

• 27:42Lewis Howes?

  Sports movie?

• 27:42Speaker 01

  No, no, we're the, some guy with a mask. Basically they're futuristic, uh, came out maybe 10, 12 years ago and the guy was experimented on for, uh, for the surgery and he goes, he had to accept that he was gonna die before he could make it anyway.

• 27:56Lewis Howes?

  Okay. Cool.

• 27:57Speaker 01

  That, yeah, nevermind. And then I found $10. All right. Makes every story better.

• 28:01Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, I like it.

• 28:02Speaker 01

  Concussions? I don't know.

• 28:05Lewis Howes?

  What's your thought process going into, um, a big stunt? That's something, something that no one's ever done. You know, maybe you'll take months to plan, I'm assuming, right? You take months to plan. You've jumped, you did the longest jump in a car. Is that right?

• 28:17Speaker 01

  That's correct, yeah.

• 28:18Lewis Howes?

  Is that still the record?

• 28:19Speaker 01

  Still the record for cars, yes.

• 28:20Lewis Howes?

  For cars. So how long does something like that take to prepare, to calculate? How many people are on the team? And then what's your mental process getting ready for a big stunt?

• 28:29Speaker 01

  Well, it's kind of similar. Like by the time you're doing something in front of the masses, you've already, you've got a pretty good understanding, at least I hope, of, uh, of what your capabilities are, what the car capabilities are, what the bike, what the, you know, like even, uh, wa- watching the guy a couple of weeks ago jump from the, the plane into the net.

• 28:47Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 28:47Speaker 01

  You know, he, he knew.

• 28:49Lewis Howes?

  I didn't see it exactly, but I saw kind of like it was happening. I can't believe the guy landed.

• 28:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, he, well.

• 28:54Lewis Howes?

  Without a parachute, right? Is that what happened?

• 28:55Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 28:56Lewis Howes?

  What happened?

• 28:56Speaker 01

  He landed in a net. It was good.

• 28:58Lewis Howes?

  No parachute?

• 28:58Speaker 01

  No parachute, straight to the net.

• 28:59Lewis Howes?

  From the sky?

• 29:00Speaker 01

  Yes, sir.

• 29:00Lewis Howes?

  That's insane, isn't it?

• 29:01Speaker 01

  Completely insane.

• 29:02Lewis Howes?

  Would you ever consider that?

• 29:03Speaker 01

  Hundred by hundred. Well, it was, it was interesting because there was a lot of us considering it, but there was a difference between considering it and doing it. And we were thinking 300 by 300, where he said 100 by 100. I was like, oh, that's, that's, that's a completely different stunt. That's, that's, but he, but he's good. He knew what it would take. So for me, like the Red Bull New Year No Limits, every year they go to all their athletes and they say, okay, what can we do that will help your sport? And I went to him and said, look, we got beat last year in the championship because our car, um, Wouldn't take the hits that Ken Block was doing. He was jumping further. He was just, he was outperforming us in areas that we physically were, was, we weren't capable of doing. We would break the car. So I said, we need a stronger car and I'd like to do a big jump.

• 29:45Speaker 01

  And they said, okay, well, what's, what's his world record? It's 141 feet. I said, okay, let's try to double it, which we were a little, we were like 10 feet or doubling it. But, you know, so we were basically like, okay, what can we do that's going to make these cars better? That's also going to be entertaining. That's going to help you in the future. And, you know, we won the next four straight Rally America Championships with Subaru and a lot of it was because, you know, because of that, that foundation, which is kind of cool that to do more than one thing at a time. And that's what Nitro is always trying to do now as well as, you know, kind of step up to say, all right, how can, help me help you. How, you want to do four flips? All right, what do we need? We need bigger ramps. We need better safety. We need landing ramps that have airbags. And then we take the airbags off and we use resi. And then, you know, if you want to do a world record, it's probably got to be without

• 30:30Speaker 01

  resi. So make sure you have it dialed on that and then we'll take it off for one time.

• 30:34Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 30:34Speaker 01

  You get that world record and, you know, let's do it safe.

• 30:37Lewis Howes?

  Wow. Tell us to me about Nitro Circus. What, how did that get started and what's your involvement and where is it headed?

• 30:45Speaker 01

  All great questions. Nitro Circus kind of started when I got hurt. I was, I was hurt quite a bit racing motocross.

• 30:53Lewis Howes?

  Which year? Every year?

• 30:54Speaker 01

  Every year. But this was, you know, 2002, 2001, 2002. And Greg Gottfried, who was from Mormon from Salt Lake City, he went off to California. He was a key grip on Touched by an Angel. He's like, I love movies, but I love motorcycles. I want to make movies about motorcycles. And I was like, ah, that makes sense. But he couldn't get the riders. So I was like, well, there's guys, I have the first ever foam pit. There's guys at my house all the time.

• 31:21Lewis Howes?

  In Maryland.

• 31:21Speaker 01

  In Maryland. Learning new tricks, trying stuff that's never been tried. So he sent me a camera. I didn't know anything about filming, but you know, Sony 2000, the balance, white balance was never set, nothing. Like the, the footage quality was horrible, but the, the footage content was just pure and real. And it was before YouTube really took off and everything. So people were, just got this huge following. And then, you know, it was, it was really cool because Johnny Knoxville had called me up and when Abel Cable passed away and said, look, we are doing a 24 hour takeover of MTV. And he said, come up with a few stunts. So I wrote down a list of about 5,000 stunts. And he goes, can you do any of them? I said, I don't know. We'll try them all.

• 32:00Speaker 01

  Two weeks later, he got us a show on MTV and then I started with a live show and then we started traveling the world, finding more crazy people just like us. I mean, it's not that new for rednecks and farmers and people do crazy stunts. Build ramps, you know, you put your two by four and your plywood and you jump your bikes and then your cars and it just evolves. But as this evolved, we found that we could actually, people liked to watch it. People that didn't like to do it, like to watch it. People that liked to do it, joined us. Yeah. And we just got this huge crew, traveling the world, having a good time with all our friends and families. And now we're at a point where it's really cool because Nitro can, you know, we just did world games, which was, you know, like a world championship event, but. It's kind of like your version of X Games or what is this? Exactly. But it's only, it's pretty much the big air.

• 32:44Speaker 01

  So instead of going around and saying, okay, what's the most technical? We say, who can go the biggest and do something that's never been done? The most dangerous. But then, no contest before had ever used airbag landings. Or, I mean, I'm talking small, like not, you know, like you land in a pillow. You know, you can still get hurt, but we had not one single broken bone. And we had, I think, over 50 worlds first. So tricks that no one had ever done before. So the safest games. It was the safest games with the most innovation that had ever been done, which for us was, was a huge step. And we caught a little flack from, you know, some of the guys to be like, hey, look, you can't have an official world record to something that's, that's not wood or dirt or whatnot. But at the end of the day, these guys could try it.

• 33:30Speaker 01

  If you land it, you land it. If you don't land it, you can get back up and you might not be happy about it. You might be wind knocked out yourself, right? I just look at my shoulder to a resi, like it's, it's not. What's a resi? Just so I'm more. Oh, sorry. A resi is either foam, like say a foot or two foot of foam. On a ramp. On a ramp, on a down ramp, with like a small sheet of plastic over the top. So. So you can still land it and keep going is what you're saying? Land and ride out. Gotcha. Usually you slide. So if you land without the bike, without the rubber tires, as long as your shoes aren't that exact same compound, your feet, everything slides out. So you don't usually break stuff. Gotcha. Still was a little bit tough with concussion. So we started for the motorcycle side, actually covering that with a little bit of carpet as well, which just takes that, you know, after all the NFL stuff and then with Dave Mira. Yeah.

• 34:15Speaker 01

  You know, definitely something that. My job is actually safety now, I guess, for me at Nitro Circus, which is scary. Uh, but also at the same time, you know, I've been there, I understand what kind of works. And when someone says they want to do something that's never been done, we gotta take a step back and say, okay, it can be done, but how can we do this without killing somebody?

• 34:34Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 34:35Speaker 01

  Josh Sheehan did a triple backflip on a dirt bike, 44 foot tall takeoff, 65 foot tall landing, 100 feet in the air. He broke a couple ribs, was pissing blood for a little bit on one of the things, but no real injuries. So he didn't die.

• 34:47Lewis Howes?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 34:49Speaker 01

  And we learned a lot about, about the, the safety bags and everything. So, um, you know, that we used for world games.

• 34:54Lewis Howes?

  So you're constantly innovating the sport and what's possible for the human body.

• 34:58Speaker 01

  Exactly. And what's not possible, if you go too high, you need to have safer landings. And then if you have safer landings, you can go higher. So it's kind of a, it's a.

• 35:05Lewis Howes?

  And when, so when did this start with, when you're traveling the world with, with this?

• 35:09Speaker 01

  Uh, this was, uh, 2000, 2009, 2010.

• 35:12Lewis Howes?

  Okay.

• 35:12Speaker 01

  Do you know that Greg? 2010.

• 35:15Lewis Howes?

  2010 as a tour. Gotcha. So Nitro Circus officially started 2010.

• 35:19Speaker 01

  Well, the Nitro Circus live.

• 35:21Lewis Howes?

  Live.

• 35:22Speaker 01

  So Nitro Circus, the DVDs started in 2002.

• 35:25Lewis Howes?

  2002?

• 35:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:26Lewis Howes?

  Okay. Interesting. And it's just been evolving ever since. So you're one of the, uh, original founders, members.

• 35:31Speaker 01

  There was, there was two of us. We had Greg Godfrey who knew something about film and myself who knew something about riding dirt bikes and then.

• 35:37Lewis Howes?

  That's it.

• 35:37Speaker 01

  That's it. And it just, it just keeps growing.

• 35:39Lewis Howes?

  And now it's just this mega business as well that you guys have continued to build.

• 35:43Speaker 01

  It's, it's a wild thing because I don't like business. I don't like, you know, I feel like if you're passionate enough, you'll find a way. But my job is to be at that table and to make sure that everyone at that table is smarter than I am.

• 35:54Lewis Howes?

  Of course.

• 35:55Speaker 01

  And if that is the case, I feel like I've done my job.

• 35:57Lewis Howes?

  Of course. Yeah. You can be the most talented.

• 36:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, there we go. I, I, I'll work on the ramps. I'll work on this, this niche. But so the company has gone bigger. Definitely the riders, the riders guide it. But at the end of the day, there's a lot of stuff that's, we, a lot of the riders know about the, you know, especially the younger guys, the scooter kids. Sorry, scooter kids. They're coming up. They're crushing it, by the way. They know a lot about the social media and they all film their own stuff. The guys.

• 36:21Lewis Howes?

  What do you mean by scooters?

• 36:23Speaker 01

  Uh, scooters, like a rate, like pretty much proto scooters, razor scooters.

• 36:26Lewis Howes?

  Razors.

• 36:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, like little.

• 36:27Lewis Howes?

  One foot where your, those guys are freaks. I've seen some of those guys on Instagram just do crazy tricks.

• 36:32Speaker 01

  You know, they've been made fun of their whole lives and in.

• 36:35Lewis Howes?

  But now they're starting to take off a little, right?

• 36:37Speaker 01

  And they are taking over action sports. They are.

• 36:40Lewis Howes?

  These little 16 year olds, and one of these guys follows me, I forget his name. He's got, I don't know, like a half a million followers on Instagram and he's just throwing camps where hundreds of kids are coming to and.

• 36:49Speaker 01

  It's, and they're, they're doing, so we got our.

• 36:51Lewis Howes?

  It's crazy.

• 36:52Speaker 01

  Biggest athlete on Nitro Circus is Ryan Williams, R. Willie, and everyone gave him so, such a hard time for, he was so amazing, but on a scooter. So he borrows someone's.

• 37:00Lewis Howes?

  He's a scooter, scooter guy. He's the biggest athlete at your.

• 37:03Speaker 01

  He's the, the most well-known athlete on Nitro Circus. Maybe Sheehan with his triple backflip and stuff got, but. He's the first one there, signed autographs. He's the last one there that, that leaves. He gives away a scooter at almost every single stop. He does. Like he does all his own video editing. He does all his own filming. So he's basically, he's his own.

• 37:22Lewis Howes?

  Brand.

• 37:23Speaker 01

  He is complete brand.

• 37:24Lewis Howes?

  How, how old is he?

• 37:25Speaker 01

  Uh, right now he's 21 years old and the amazing part is everyone gave him a hard time for riding a scooter. So he goes and wins the world championships on BMX and then pretty much sets it aside and goes, okay.

• 37:36Lewis Howes?

  Now. I'm gonna go back to my scooter thing.

• 37:37Speaker 01

  Now go back to the scooters. Like this is legit.

• 37:39Lewis Howes?

  He won the world championships.

• 37:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, he won Nitro World Games. I mean, not even close. Dominated, big air, the, the biggest tricks. I mean, he's the only one to triple front flip bicycling. He does like every week. Kid's amazing. 1080 front flips, like three full twists and a flip on a BMX bike. It's not even, it's, it's, they don't even have this in video games.

• 37:58Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 37:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:59Lewis Howes?

  They don't?

• 38:00Speaker 01

  I mean, we're working on that, but you know.

• 38:02Lewis Howes?

  So, okay, so, so what would you say Nitro Circus is right now for people to understand it? It's a, a live tour and what else?

• 38:10Speaker 01

  Well, Nitro Circus started from a bunch of kids, guys having fun, pushing the limits in action sports. But right now it is the best in the world of action sports. Um, trying to find a way for, for the top guys in sport to be able to travel the world. Uh, follow their passion with the live shows and, and pretty much every country around the world. And then also, um.

• 38:31Lewis Howes?

  You guys are on TV as well.

• 38:33Speaker 01

  Uh, so we have NBC Sports, um, and then we have two specials a year on NBC. And then we just put together, um, basically a world championship event for the big air type stuff and.

• 38:42Lewis Howes?

  And that was recently, right?

• 38:43Speaker 01

  That was, yeah, recently had over like 5 million viewers live, so that was

• 38:47Lewis Howes?

  Congrats.

• 38:47Speaker 01

  Plus the internet stuff, which is actually, it's amazing, the internet, you get more views

• 38:52Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 38:52Speaker 01

  Um, through that than you do on, you know, even like an NBC or a huge network now. It's um, it's, it's a wild thing, but NBC has been such a great partner for us because that allowed us to take these sports that were kind of a younger audience and take it to, to the masses to where anyone could really watch it.

• 39:07Lewis Howes?

  Hmm. Who's the most talented athlete in your minds in the Nitro Circus?

• 39:12Speaker 01

  It's, it's hands down, Arwilly.

• 39:14Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 39:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, he's just, he's, he's a freak of nature on trampolines, on, he's just got so much air awareness and he rides, when he wakes up in the morning, 6 o'clock, he's at the skate park. And he's either on bicycles or scooters or he's parkour, he's uh, trampolines, he's diving boards, if there's a, there's a bridge somewhere, he's flipping off of it, like, he just loves being in the air, he loves pushing himself, he loves trying stuff. So, people are always like, oh, he's so naturally talented. I'm like, maybe, but if you were doing whatever your sport was 15 hours a day, you know, you'd probably be pretty good at that, too.

• 39:47Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, he lives it. I mean, every, he's disciplined.

• 39:50Speaker 01

  That's it. If he's not doing that, he's editing.

• 39:52Lewis Howes?

  Hmm. His own, he's shooting it or he's got a team filming and then he's editing it. Wow.

• 39:56Speaker 01

  Well, the beauty of Nitro Circus now is that, um, we have a, not only with our, you know, in-house camera guys, but we have all the riders now, our, you know, Brandon Schmidt, they film each other.

• 40:06Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 40:06Speaker 01

  And, you know, they really put their, their stuff together. Woodward, um, is an

• 40:09Lewis Howes?

  Woodward's a great camp, right?

• 40:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, very good. So Woodward is action sports camp. They actually have a camp now as well. So while these kids are, some of the kids are learning how to ride bicycles and skateboards, they have a, like an editing and social media film.

• 40:21Lewis Howes?

  Really? At the camp?

• 40:22Speaker 01

  So

• 40:22Lewis Howes?

  That's cool.

• 40:23Speaker 01

  Some of the guys cross, cross transfer over, but a lot of the guys that we're hiring now, Nitro, are coming out of that, that camp for just their editing.

• 40:29Lewis Howes?

  That's cool.

• 40:30Speaker 01

  You know, so it's pretty neat.

• 40:31Lewis Howes?

  Wow. I mean, this video has done an incredible thing for all sports, really, but for action sports, when you guys are able to get it out there, so many people become, it becomes so much more popular, right?

• 40:42Speaker 01

  That it's harder, I guess, to monetize where everyone's doing awesome stuff, which is awesome.

• 40:49Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 40:49Speaker 01

  Um, but I think that the beauty is there's no one that can't be a big name quick. Like if you, people are like, how do I get on Nitro Circus? I'm like, simple, you do something that no one else has ever done. Where do I put it? I'm like, you put it anywhere. If no one else has ever, if no one else has ever done it.

• 41:03Lewis Howes?

  People will see it.

• 41:04Speaker 01

  People will see it, it will get out there, it will go, I mean, you know, I really got like 50, 60 million views on, on the clip that he just put out. It's like, you know, and obviously he's got a more of a following, but like at the end of the day, this is, it's, I shouldn't say easy. You have to be an amazing athlete, but the thing is you can't make a living now just on, yeah, I was good in the day. No, there's so many other kids coming up doing, and they're all have an outlet there. So it's awesome.

• 41:31Lewis Howes?

  If you're, uh, if there's a 13 year old kid who's into this, this sport or any of these sports and the action sports, and wants to follow their passion, and this could be any type of kid really, but if you're in the action sports, and they want to make six figures a year, what would you say would be the path that they need to take in order to make a good living? Maybe they're never going to be the best, the most extreme, but like, hey, you can still make a hundred grand a year doing the sport by doing what actions?

• 41:58Speaker 01

  It's what's interesting with action sports, especially with how the internet's gone. If your goal is to make money or your goal, maybe as you're getting older is to stay relevant, you're already not relevant or you will never make money. Um, there is no amount of money in the world worth putting your body through the risks that, that, that these guys, I mean, people are always like, oh, if I got paid, you know, six, seven figures, I would do that.

• 42:22Lewis Howes?

  No, you wouldn't.

• 42:23Speaker 01

  Chance, actually you probably wouldn't. And you wouldn't, maybe you'd try it, but you wouldn't put the time and the effort and the injuries into getting there.

• 42:29Lewis Howes?

  You gotta fully love it.

• 42:30Speaker 01

  So, so on that aspect, you got to really love it. But at a certain point, if you're, if you make it and you're good enough. And you're still passionate about it when you get there, because that's another thing. I mean, a lot of kids, they finally make it and they're there. They're like, you know what? I just, I'm just burnt out, which is awesome. And so, not awesome, but yeah, I don't want to be hurt anymore. I don't want, and, but the amount of sacrifice and dedication and the hard work they put in, the guys that make it, even for a year, even for whatever, in action sports have been able to then make it like business, at that point is easy.

• 43:03Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, it is.

• 43:04Speaker 01

  Um, you know, I'm not saying business is easy, but it's, it's something that especially now, they have a little bit of credibility. It's like my friend is Navy SEAL, um, you know, went into the SEALs, didn't have anything when he went in, came out. And for him, like, things that stress out most people, like even me, I'm like, I got this. He's like, he's just laughing.

• 43:20Lewis Howes?

  This is nothing, yeah.

• 43:21Speaker 01

  He's like, dude, yeah, whatever, man. And he's able to take what he's learned and the, the effort and the, the work and the pain. You know, real pain. You know, real, real risk and real, and you know, that level always changes depending on what job you take. But to take that back into a normal environment, you, you're then successful or can be successful.

• 43:41Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. I mean, as an athlete, I feel like I had an advantage learning business. Like, yes, it was challenging to get started and I had no clue what I was doing, but compared to three a days in the heat in Ohio, you know, 110 degrees and just getting beaten the head over and over and constant injuries, like figuring out how to market something wasn't that hard. You know what I mean? Compared.

• 44:01Speaker 01

  Last year of Supercross, um, I was only 18 years old. I just, I was on the way to the test track and, you know, we get to the Suzuki test track out just Corona, California, not too far from here. And we'd get there around eight o'clock and we'd leave at six, whenever it got dark. And it was just, it was hot. It was miserable. You just, you, I, I'd never had any skin on my arms. I was always hurt. I was always sore. And on the way, there was a big crash, uh, just on the freeway. And I was sitting there and I was so happy. I was like, oh, thank goodness. I'm, I'm going to be like, I'll miss an hour. This is, this is so great. And that's when I realized that, hey, this, you know, action sports is where your heart is, not, you know, putting in laps on Supercross track. But at the same time, like,

• 44:45Speaker 01

  When that makes something that most people are like so frustrated at, just so much better that, you know, when you're putting in three days, anything to get you out of that.

• 44:53Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 44:53Speaker 01

  You know, and, but if you're gonna make it, obviously, you're looking forward to those three days. You're like, I'm gonna do bigger, I'm gonna do better, I'm gonna, I'm gonna push it. If I'm hurting, I'm gonna make sure that everyone else on the field is passed out.

• 45:03Lewis Howes?

  Exactly, yeah. If I'm almost passed out, they're passed out, exactly. How do you get into flow when fear creeps in? Because, obviously, I'm assuming you're not immune to fear. When you try something new, there's gotta be some uncertainty for you. Even when you try something you've already done, there might be some fear in doing three backflips in a row at any moment. So how do you get into flow and overcome fear?

• 45:26Speaker 01

  Repetition and practice. And the more bad experiences you're in, the more bad experiences that you will get in that you know how to get out of, if that makes any sense. So, like, when you're in the air and everything's going wrong, but you've been in a similar situation, you know either it worked or it didn't work, but you already have, you're not relying on thinking, you're just doing it. And I feel like when you drop in and do something you've never done before, you already have an idea. You know what the takeoff feels like, you know what the pull feels like, you've tried it into a foam pit or an airbag or something. So for me, flow is simply repetition. It's being, it's knowing every part of my motorcycle

• 46:07Speaker 01

  or bicycle so in and out that no matter what happens, I'm not that concerned about it because I know how to get out of it. And that's why guys like our Willie do so great is because every time they mess up one trick, they might invent another trick because they realize what spins or how that, you know, so it's that, that mentally going, whatever this stunt, this trick, this jump, this day throws at me, I've got it covered because I've put in the work. The only time that I feel like I'm really out of flow is when I'm thrown in a different element. Like, people are like, hey, here's some skis. I'm like, oh, God, like, I can't ski at all. But going down a hill, as soon as I get in the air, oh, all right, here we go, backflip, lay out, there we go, let's do some spins,

• 46:50Speaker 01

  okay. And then I land back on the skis and I'm like, oh, gosh, here we go. So, for me, flow is, uh, flow is repetition.

• 46:57Lewis Howes?

  That's cool. I like that. How many times do you think you've gone off a ramp on anything?

• 47:01Speaker 01

  Oh, my gosh. I mean... Every, pretty much it was every day of my life for 10 years. Um, you know, 300 times a day.

• 47:10Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 47:10Speaker 01

  I was never great at math. Took the only major in college. I could skip around that.

• 47:14Lewis Howes?

  Sure, sure. Okay. Thousands of times. Yes. Okay.

• 47:17Speaker 01

  Hundreds of thousands, millions.

• 47:18Lewis Howes?

  And do you have a daily routine or meditation practice or habits that are not negotiable for you every single day?

• 47:26Speaker 01

  For me, the, the hardest part is with travel and, you know, with family and with everything. It's, it does get more challenging, but give me an hour on my road bicycle every day. And if, I don't care if we get to bed at 3 o'clock and we have to get up at 5. Like, if I can just, like, I'd rather not sleep and just get that time for me. That's, I was never good at sitting on a couch or sitting anywhere and just meditating still. But on a road bike, I feel like especially like around my house in Maryland, like it could be hot, it could be cold, it could be whatever and just, um, just going out and, you know, there's not a lot of cars on the roads around the house and there's some good bike trails and, you know, just to put your music in and just have that time that's, it's kind of alone and, and you can, you know, the first little bit,

• 48:11Speaker 01

  you kind of wind down and then you have that little bit of that, that peace where you're just kind of riding. And, you know, you might be thinking about what's going on. And then you have that, that bit at the end where if you want to push it, you want to, go a little hard, you want to see what you're made of again, you know, every day. You're like, you promise you won't, you won't do it the next time, but you want to see if you can beat that record. And that's,

• 48:30Lewis Howes?

  That's funny.

• 48:31Speaker 01

  So for me, that's, that kind of covers all three of my bases that.

• 48:33Lewis Howes?

  So every day you ride the bike, you try to ride the bike every day?

• 48:36Speaker 01

  That's, that is my goal. I mean, it used to be like, you know, try to get in 60 miles a day and now it's like 60 miles a week, but you know, you do what you can.

• 48:42Lewis Howes?

  You do what you can. That's cool. I like that. That's your meditation. And your wife, you say your wife, uh, she's fully supports everything you do now. I mean, obviously you have, you have two kids, correct?

• 48:52Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 48:53Lewis Howes?

  Do anything, does anything change for you, uh, when approaching the sport and, you know, going big?

• 48:59Speaker 01

  No, well, what's interesting, and we were just hanging out with, um, a lot of our friends and family this, this last week, uh, from Nitro Circus. And most of us have, have kids now and they were doing stuff that, I mean, like, Child Protective Services probably would go, hey, that's, that's dangerous. But when you're with this crew, like, with Tony Hawk got so much trouble for, for riding with his, uh, you know, one of his kids on a skateboard. But for Tony, like, I would think his kid was way more safe on his skateboard than probably with one of his in-laws driving, you know, to McDonald's in a car seat. I don't know his in-laws at all, sorry, but you know, it's just, um, you know, with four-wheelers, motorcycles, what we know, this is what we do, like it's, it's, it's like my wife always trusts me,

• 49:44Speaker 01

  you know, with the kids, with myself, because she knows that I'm not a careless person. I don't take a lot of risk. I'm more with myself than anything else, just because I like to win. The one-offsmanship, but at the end of the day, it's, I'm not going to do that with, with base jumping, with skydiving, with stuff that I don't, not particularly, um, not in flow with. Don't have the practice in the time, but my wife is probably the one that she is the one that scares me more than I scare her. Um, not necessarily with her on a skateboard, but now she's getting into motorcycles and car racing and all this stuff. And motors bring in a whole different, all different speeds and jumps. And she's like, this is so easy. And I'm like, just be careful. Like you don't, you don't know how close you are getting to, you haven't, you haven't experienced something that

• 50:29Speaker 01

  crashes. Uh, Doug Henry, my greatest hero of all time growing up, um, his son won the national jump rope championship. And it was interesting. I was like Doug, and Doug's paralyzed now, um, did a backflip paralyzed. He, um, you know, he had a broken back, but they say he never ride again. He can't, his wife found a doctor and did some stuff and they figured out a way. So he came back, won two national championships. This guy's been through everything, but he goes, look, I didn't ever get my kids involved with this because I know how many times I had to mess up before I understood what was going to work and what wasn't. He goes, I still ended up in a, in a chair. He goes, I have no regrets. I love my life, but at the same time, it's, it's a hard thing. Like Lindsay

• 51:12Speaker 01

  knows skating. I don't know skating. If I get on a skateboard, I'm going to fall and break myself off. I know, I can't even go off curb. So the kids are on a skateboard.

• 51:20Lewis Howes?

  I could barely go straight on a street.

• 51:21Speaker 01

  Exactly. They're with, they're with my wife and they're with the motorcycle, they're with me. But it's, it's an interesting dynamic how they see this stuff. They, my daughter, you know, she sees doubles backflips, triple backflip and oh, that's chiny. That's like, it's just, it's, it's normal. So I'm a little nervous on that end to when she's gonna be like, oh yeah, it's a hundred foot jump. Yeah, I got that at like six, you know?

• 51:42Lewis Howes?

  That's right. And what still drives you today after you've created so much, you've achieved so much, you've won everything? Broken all the records.

• 51:50Speaker 01

  Waking up with a passion.

• 51:51Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 51:51Speaker 01

  Just waking up with that smile on your face, having something that you really want to do that day. And it, some days it's, uh, you know, just not traveling and staying home with the family. And then you do that for enough days and you're, it's no longer, you're like, okay, this has been good, but what can I do? Like, where can we take Nitro Circus? You know, how can we provide a place where guys like me can have, that are passionate, that love what they do, can make a living traveling around the world with their best friends? Like I've had the very fortunate, you know, life to be able to, to do that.

• 52:24Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 52:25Speaker 01

  And can we keep action sports growing and keep, I shouldn't say keep kids off of video games. And video games are great, but you know, it's like action sports were conventional sports. And then you had action sports in my generation. Now you have video games.

• 52:37Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 52:37Speaker 01

  And which is, it's fine.

• 52:39Lewis Howes?

  Pokemon Go.

• 52:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:42Speaker 01

  I almost got like running, I was at a stop sign and I came and just like almost ran into me. He's like, oh, I'm sorry.

• 52:47Lewis Howes?

  Get your Pokemon.

• 52:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, seriously. Anyway, but so that's, for me, I just want my kids to be active and I want them to be passionate.

• 52:54Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 52:54Speaker 01

  That's, I don't know, that's what I base my life around, so.

• 52:57Lewis Howes?

  Right. Is there anything, is there any boundary that you have? Or is there any limits that you don't think you'll be able to break in the next five to 10 years with technology? And with how much you're seeing other guys do things and what they're able to do with their bodies and bikes and things like that? Is there anything that you're like, you know, maybe one day I'll be able to do that, but?

• 53:16Speaker 01

  Well, it, it's really hard to say because the first time I did a double backflip, I said, you know, I'll never do a double backflip again. That was this craziest thing ever. And now honestly, like kids are warming up, not kids, but you know, there's a, a 20 year old Harry Bink. And he hit the, he just looked at the jump, he hadn't even hit it before, double backs it.

• 53:33Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 53:33Speaker 01

  On a dirt bike. And I was like, you little punk.

• 53:36Lewis Howes?

  And you were the first one to do it?

• 53:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, 2006, but like, you know, I mean, I'm just saying like things evolve, so it's with evolution ramps evolve. And that's, so my job is to continually evolve these sports and make it as safe as we can while we're doing it. So my backyard in Maryland is basically this huge, like playland of just bags and, and it's cool because I can still try these new tricks and try everything and work on all this stuff. And I do it to a bag. And then when someone goes, hey, you're going to take it to dirt? I'm like, no, I'm old. That's your job. Good luck.

• 54:08Lewis Howes?

  Okay, so you'll do it to a bag, but you may not do it to a ramp.

• 54:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, unless it's something that I really feel.

• 54:13Lewis Howes?

  You're getting 10 out of 10.

• 54:15Speaker 01

  It's every time. And if it's worth, if it's something huge and it's something that I can do every time, then.

• 54:20Lewis Howes?

  Sure.

• 54:21Speaker 01

  Yeah. I'm not saying I'm never gonna do something crazy again. Like, this last tour, I had worked on all these ramps in my house. And one of the guys got hurt and one of the guys didn't come on tour, because he was practicing for world games and X Games and all this stuff. And I was the only one in the world that could actually do the tricks that I'd set up. And I'm like, duh, go on it. So I had to do the whole tour. And it was the best tour of my life. But my wife is like, because every night, I'm like, so scared. I'm going out there. I'm trying. So, you know, when you do thing one night, that's one thing. But on tour, you gotta do it night after night after night. So I crashed one night real bad and I'm just, I'm bruised. My legs are purple. I could hardly breathe. Bruised, riz, shoulder sore. And I'm like, alright. And tomorrow night too. My wife's like, you're not really gonna get up. I'm like.

• 55:04Lewis Howes?

  I got to.

• 55:05Speaker 01

  That's what they paid to see. Give the people what they want. So my goal is to always be that guy that can have six or seven other guys that can learn what he's doing.

• 55:14Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 55:15Speaker 01

  And do it better.

• 55:15Lewis Howes?

  That's cool. A few final questions for you, and I appreciate everything you've shared so far. This has been awesome. A personal question. What are you most grateful for in your life recently?

• 55:25Speaker 01

  Oh, recently? Um, you know, that's a really, really tough question. Um, you know, I'd say the thing that I'm most grateful for is that my wife, even though she's in these sports, is, has been so good as a mother. I'm almost crying as I say, this is weird, because you know, you get older, you get tears and it's just weird stuff. But the, um, so as I travel around a lot, it's difficult traveling with kids. Different time zones. One of them's sleeping, one of them's not. My wife, who always loved her sleep, like, she didn't get less than 10 hours of sleep ever when we were dating. You know, which is not like realistic.

• 56:04Lewis Howes?

  Now she gets four.

• 56:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, if she's lucky. You know, and that's, and she's been able to adapt to that and really embrace that and still, she still skates. She still goes out and goes in the show. Um, you know, not every night, but she just, she went to world games and she's like, you know what? I want to skate today. And she ran practice. And she's such a badass, but you never know it from her Instagram or anything. She never even puts anything of her. It's all just, you know, kids and just, she just loves being that, a mom. And I love being a father, but if I didn't have someone that was that good as a mom, I. I would probably have a mental breakdown, so that's I appreciate that part.

• 56:41Lewis Howes?

  It's a lot to be grateful for.

• 56:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, so I know it's a lot, but I was just, my wife has adapted to being a mom so well, I think.

• 56:46Lewis Howes?

  That's amazing. No, that's beautiful. This is a question that I ask everyone at the end. It's called the three truths. It's called the three truths. So imagine it's many, many years from now. You've lived an incredible life, long life, and it's the last day for you and everyone's there. All the people you care about, your friends, family, it's a celebration. But for whatever reason, all the videos you've shot of all the things you've said, this podcast isn't around anymore. You know, all the stunts you've done have been erased from online, so no one can see what you've created. Anymore for whatever reason, but they give you a piece of paper and a pen and they say, we want you to write down the three things you know to be true about all the experiences in your life that you'd pass on to all of us. So what would you say are your three truths?

• 57:31Speaker 01

  Uh, number one is passion.

• 57:34Speaker 01

  If you're passionate enough about something, even if it's not exactly how you want it to be, you'll find a way to make it work. I don't know, I feel like, I don't know if what goes around comes around.

• 57:47Speaker 01

  Is something, but I guess kind of stick with it. Cause like, I feel like there's a lot of people that get a lot of luck or get a lot, or people that get a lot of bad luck. And a lot of people with a lot of luck kind of change who they are and a lot of people with a lot of bad luck quit. And I'd say what goes around comes around. If you just don't quit, cause so many times I have so many friends that were just, something was just about to come through. And they gave up, you know, which is, which is fine. That's what they want to do, but it's like, I feel like what goes around comes around. If you can just stick with it, if you can go through enough bad, you know, so kind of I go along the same lines. Um, and then, uh, I don't know, I think respect.

• 58:29Speaker 01

  I think respect is something that, uh, you know, is, is earned over a lifetime, but if you can, uh, if you can always respect other people and, and, you know, try to keep their respect, I think you're doing, uh, doing all right.

• 58:44Lewis Howes?

  I like that.

• 58:44Speaker 01

  And I'm not saying internet respect. You know, I'm saying like the people, the people that are like, you know, really well.

• 58:50Lewis Howes?

  Sure, sure. Before I ask the final question, I want to acknowledge you for a moment Travis for your incredible joy and your incredible love and passion for what you do and bringing the sport to life and making it so well-known for so many people around the world. Also your commitment to your passion because there are not a lot of people that I think are willing to do what you do for the love of their passion. They don't want to risk enough and you're an incredible example of what's possible in the world for all of us. You're an incredible example in your sports, as a human being from just our small interaction here, limited time, and to know that you can thrive in your sport and have a loving

• 59:32Lewis Howes?

  wife and loving kids and have an incredible family and have it all and the business. It's such an inspiration. So I want to acknowledge you for just who you are in the world, man. It's amazing.

• 59:41Speaker 01

  Thanks for having these podcasts, man.

• 59:42Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, of course, of course. Before I ask the final question, where can we follow you online? Where do you hang out the most? Instagram, Snapchat, Facebook? Where are you at? What should we follow? NitroCircus.com? What can we do right now to support you?

• 59:55Speaker 01

  Oh, man. Basically just Nitro Circus and their athletes. I mean, you go on Nitro Circus Facebook. I'm more of an Instagram. I know they're all Snapchats coming around, but I'm...

• 1:00:06Lewis Howes?

  Instagram Stories, man.

• 1:00:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, there you go.

• 1:00:08Lewis Howes?

  Instagram Stories get big.

• 1:00:09Speaker 01

  You know, I just finally switched over. I'm still Facebook, but I just found like the... I have a hard time with Facebook in that every time you post something, it's just mostly just like if you're riding two feet with your kid and you're not putting a helmet on. I know I should always wear a helmet, but like, you know, it's just a lot of, a lot of people that are just angry.

• 1:00:29Lewis Howes?

  Negative feedback, yeah.

• 1:00:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, very negative. So I feel like Instagram is a...

• 1:00:32Lewis Howes?

  More supportive.

• 1:00:33Speaker 01

  A little, not even supportive, just my, my people.

• 1:00:36Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, sure.

• 1:00:37Speaker 01

  So I've been sticking with that for now, but uh, no, NitroCircus.com and just be sure to check out Nitro Circus. And if you want to see like honestly... Come to a show, every, every parent goes, um, you know, I came for my kids and then halfway through I was standing up and cheering and I haven't felt like that in so long. Thank you. A mom said, sorry not to take up too much time, but

• 1:00:57Lewis Howes?

  No, go ahead.

• 1:00:58Speaker 01

  The thing that I think made me smile the most in this last year was a mom came up to me and like grabbed me a little violently at the end, like, like, come over here. I was like, all right. She goes, I just want to thank the crew down here, the, the, you're all the, all the guys, all the riders. And she says, I was afraid to have my kid ride a skateboard. I didn't like the image. I didn't like what I had seen or what, yeah, it's like, you know, staying out late, going, um, you know, not vandalism, but that's just how she kind of viewed everything. And, you know, with skating down parks or streets or something like that. And she goes, what I saw here was a bunch of friends having

• 1:01:38Speaker 01

  an awesome time. And if my kid can ever find a group that embraces him, that loves him, that is half as supportive as this crew, then I have done a good job as a parent. So thank you for bringing this, this crew together. So I think for Nitro Circus, I think that beyond anything like the world's first or not world's first, people, I think, especially the parents relate to just

• 1:01:59Lewis Howes?

  That's cool.

• 1:01:59Speaker 01

  A bunch of good people having a good time.

• 1:02:00Lewis Howes?

  And you guys tour all over the world, over the US, where there's, there's a schedule online, right?

• 1:02:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, online. Um, they, they have all the schedules, but, um, basically we'll, we'll go all over US. We do a, a regional tour, hit some of the smaller cities and then a, a bigger tour. The bigger tours have, um, all the top guys. The regional tours sometimes are split up a little bit, but definitely, uh, always a lot of fun.

• 1:02:19Lewis Howes?

  So all the information's on Nitro, NitroCircus.com, right?

• 1:02:22Speaker 01

  Greg, what do we do?

• 1:02:23Lewis Howes?

  Uh, Nitro Circus on social media, NitroCircus.com.

• 1:02:27Speaker 01

  He's on it.

• 1:02:27Lewis Howes?

  He's, Greg's the man.

• 1:02:28Speaker 01

  He's got it. Um, awesome. Final question for you. This has been a, a great time. I

• 1:02:33Lewis Howes?

  really love connecting with you and there's, if there's anything I can do personally to support, just let me know. Um, the final question is what is your definition of greatness?

• 1:02:42Speaker 01

  Ah, see, you got all these just, this, this very deep, deep question. So, I mean, right off the top of my head, I think greatness is being able to have the confidence to do what you love to do and to do it well enough that you have the people around you that you love that still want to do it with you.

• 1:03:07Lewis Howes?

  Travis, you're the man. Thanks, man.

• 1:03:08Speaker 01

  Good to see you, sir.

• 1:03:09Lewis Howes?

  Appreciate it.

• 1:03:12Lewis Howes?

  Oh, yes. There you have it, guys. I hope you enjoyed this episode with the legendary Travis Pastrana. Again, the guy has done so many incredible things, broken so many world records, broken the physical limitations so many times with the human body, and he's just an incredible human as well. So I'm so grateful for Travis for coming on. So thank you Travis and the whole team over at Nitro Circus for getting him on here. Make sure to leave a comment over on the blog, lewishouse.com/368. Share this with your friends over on Twitter and Facebook and Instagram and all over the place that you think is relevant for your audience. Make sure to connect with Travis as well. All of his information is back at the show notes. Let me know what you think of the full video over on YouTube.

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