2 Bob Harper: Host of the Biggest Loser Discusses Habits and Success

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• 0:09Speaker 00

  Hello everyone and welcome to the School of Greatness. My name is Lewis Howes, I'm an author, lifestyle entrepreneur, former pro athlete and world record holder in football. My goal with the School of Greatness is to share with you stories from the most inspiring business minds, world-class athletes and influential celebrities on the planet to help you find out what makes great people great. So please leave us a review over on iTunes and join us on the web at schoolofgreatness.com to be notified of each episode when it comes out. Now let's get after it.

• 0:51Speaker 00

  So I literally went into battle with my next guest during the day of our interview. You might recognize him from the hit show The Biggest Loser. He's also a personal trainer in Hollywood and is the number one New York Times bestselling author of The Skinny Rules: The Simple, Non-Negotiable Principles for Getting to Thin. PETA even voted him the world's sexiest male vegetarian of the year in 2010. Now he's become a good friend of mine outside of the gym, but in the gym I consider him my CrossFit nemesis. This interview was taken in the middle of the Brick CrossFit Gym in West Hollywood and right after a brutal workout. So I hope you enjoy this raw and real interview with the man, Bob Harper.

• 1:37Speaker 01

  How's it going, brother?

• 1:38Speaker 02

  Good, Lewis. Worked hard today.

• 1:39Speaker 01

  Super hard, man. And I was impressed because I feel like I should be better than you at this stuff, but you smoked me at everything.

• 1:45Speaker 02

  Wait, why are you supposed to be better than me?

• 1:48Speaker 01

  Well, one, I'm like 10 years younger than you.

• 1:50Speaker 02

  That's true.

• 1:51Speaker 01

  And I'm like, I used to be a pro athlete, so I'm like, I should be able to do this stuff, but you've been a trainer for how many years now?

• 1:57Speaker 02

  I've been a trainer for about 20 years, but I've only been doing CrossFit for a year.

• 2:00Speaker 01

  A year?

• 2:01Speaker 02

  A year.

• 2:02Speaker 01

  Oh my gosh.

• 2:03Speaker 02

  And get this, I've always been very much cardio-oriented. I've been like the guy that gets overweight people thin, right? That's what I've been doing for a really long time, so now all of a sudden... Getting into CrossFit was a real eye-opening experience because, I mean, this, th- these workouts really handed my ass every single time I walked in and of course it gave me an objective. I'm very task-oriented.

• 2:29Speaker 01

  Uh huh. Nice. So tell me how you got started. Your fame to claim is The Biggest Loser. So how many, tell me how did you get started? How did they choose you? How did you get into it? Was there an audition or?

• 2:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was a really long process. I remember, uh, let's see, the show's been, we're about to start its 14th season.

• 2:46Speaker 01

  It's amazing.

• 2:47Speaker 02

  I'm the only one that's been there since the very beginning.

• 2:49Speaker 01

  And you've been there the whole time?

• 2:50Speaker 02

  The whole time, every single season. And, uh, the, it started with an audition process. Uh, I knew some, I've been a trainer in Los Angeles for a long time, worked with a lot of celebrities. And then all of a sudden, this, this idea of this show, The Biggest Loser, came about and they were auditioning trainers. And when I first heard the title of the, uh, the show, I was really skeptical of it. I was thinking, you know, I'm not gonna be a part of some like show that's gonna make fun of fat people. It's just like not gonna, it's not gonna work. But when I went in and I saw what the, um, the idea was, I thought, oh, okay, this could be a really good, um, project. And it was a six-week, six-week-long audition process.

• 3:27Speaker 01

  What?

• 3:28Speaker 02

  Dude, I was, uh, I had to train everybody, every executive over at NBC. I mean, go, like, I remember finally I was getting so annoyed by the fact that I was having to train so many different people to try to get like, you know, they were trying to get an idea of all these trainers. I got this one, um, executive, she came in one day and it was like seven o'clock in the morning and I buried her. She was puking, she was puking outside the gym and I was just like.

• 3:51Speaker 01

  You're just so angry. You're like, let's get on with this.

• 3:53Speaker 02

  Let's get this done. I know, I know I'm the guy for the job, so let's do this.

• 3:57Speaker 01

  Now, did you ever think in all your years as a trainer, you've been training celebrities for years out here in LA? Did you ever think that you would get on TV for a show like this, for an opportunity like this?

• 4:04Speaker 02

  No, I, I never came to Los Angeles to, uh, get on television.

• 4:08Speaker 01

  Right.

• 4:08Speaker 02

  It was never my objective, you know, it's like, I figured, this is the funny, this is the interesting thing about me. Like, I, um, I've been given a really big opportunity. I have a big platform now. I get to, I get to reach a lot of people.

• 4:22Speaker 02

  I have been a trainer for a long time and I really like this kind of gym environment. I like, I like working out, I really walk the walk.

• 4:29Speaker 01

  Right.

• 4:29Speaker 02

  But I also like, I like working with people one-on-one, that's why I enjoy doing the show and I know that after, long after the show, I'm gonna just be going back to like owning my own box like this and just like being a trainer, I mean that's, that's what I like.

• 4:41Speaker 01

  Right, nice. Now, I'm, I wanna, I'm really curious about-

• 4:44Speaker 02

  And I'm so glad I, I was better than you in this workout today.

• 4:47Speaker 01

  Well, I did lift heavier-

• 4:49Speaker 02

  Especially-

• 4:49Speaker 01

  I did lift heavier in the beginning.

• 4:51Speaker 02

  On the strict press-

• 4:52Speaker 01

  I got an extra 10 pounds.

• 4:53Speaker 02

  On the strict press you did, I was sore from my week, but yes.

• 4:57Speaker 01

  Well, I did a double workout yesterday, I did the secession and then I pushed the prowler, then sprints and everything else, so, I didn't tell you about that.

• 5:04Speaker 02

  I did, I just heard you do it now.

• 5:06Speaker 01

  So now, what I'm really curious about is the mental side of things when you're dealing with.

• 5:12Speaker 02

  Right.

• 5:12Speaker 01

  So you see a lot of people that drop 200 pounds in the show, or 100 pounds, it happens all the time, in a six-month period, right? Now, what do you think is, um, kind of like, the emotional things that hold people back to get that far out of shape? Let's say physically, but also this could be towards business, you know, getting out of shape in your business, out of your relationships, but getting out of shape in personal, but then how, first off, why do people get that far, lose themselves that much? I'll let you answer that one.

• 5:42Speaker 02

  Okay, uh, there are three words that come to mind. Complacency, laziness, and depression. I mean, these are the three things that kind of come up for me when, uh, uh, when I have worked with, the people that I've worked with. Sure, I, I've, I've worked with guys that are 500 pounds, that just love to eat mass quantities of food, right? I mean, there is that certain demographic of people, but a lot of times, it's people's emotional response to food, it's their, um, it's their relationship with food, it's, it's how they, it's how they perceive themselves. It's like, you know, you look at somebody, uh, and if they are not happy with their life, they're gonna act out in some way. And like, a lot of times, the people that I deal with, their addiction goes into, um, uh, overeating.

• 6:26Speaker 01

  Right, right, right. And so, what about, I feel like you probably have a, you're better, uh-

• 6:35Speaker 01

  Psychologists on a lot of people because you've dealt with people losing a lot of weight and then gaining it back. I think sometimes a lot of people gain it back after they lose it, right?

• 6:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:43Speaker 01

  So why do people, what does it take for them to keep it off? What's the shift in their mind in order to lose the weight and keep it off?

• 6:49Speaker 02

  People have to realize that when, especially if you are dealing with weight issues, they are never, ever going to go away. You are never going to be cured. This is not something that you've taken a pill and now all of a sudden it's like this. I'm fine now. I've lost all this weight and I can just like, I can just do whatever I want to do. You have to think about it every single day. It's like, you know, I have to focus on what I'm eating every single day. I've got to think about my workouts. I've got to think about like what my lifestyle is. And that's what I really try to tell people all the time. It's not about losing the weight. Losing the weight is easy. It's about keeping it off. It's about changing, it's about changing your life and it's about divorcing yourself from the past.

• 7:30Speaker 01

  Ooh, divorcing yourself from the past. I like that. Cause in business, there's a lot of people that, they come to me a lot of times to say, you know, I don't know how to grow my business. I don't want to get more leads. I'm stuck at this level, but how to break through this level. And I think a lot of people, it's the same mental aspect in business and life and in health, right?

• 7:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think that like, you know, I would think when it comes to business, with me, I think you gotta like, kind of like put your balls out there, you know? It's like you gotta, if you're scared of doing something, chances are you probably should do it.

• 8:00Speaker 01

  Do it, right?

• 8:01Speaker 02

  It's like, you know, I think that that's what I tell people all the time. It's about, fear is really comfortable. You know, it's like, people can like get very stagnant and get into a very neutral lifestyle because they're just afraid of like what, afraid of the success or afraid of like, you know, failure. And it's kind of like, how do you know what you can do unless you're just trying to do it?

• 8:23Speaker 01

  Right. You know what I like is some people become really addicted to working out. They have to work it every day. They're getting this mindset. So it's like, I'm addicted. I feel great. I feel energized. My body looks awesome. People also are addicted to eating. So they eat a lot. They're overeating. Their body looks fat, everything. But what I just came to mind is if people started to becoming addicted to facing their fears and doing their fears every day, they'd be having breakthroughs, nothing, right? Every day facing your fear and going after it, being addicted to like feeling scared but going after it. Wouldn't that be kind of cool?

• 8:52Speaker 02

  Absolutely. It's like, you know, put a fear wad together.

• 8:55Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 8:57Speaker 01

  Exactly, so how do you motivate yourself to keep fighting for people that don't believe in themselves?

• 9:03Speaker 02

  I battled with that in the very beginning because I used to think, I've got enough, I've got enough hope, I've got enough like, you know, strength to just like carry you to the finish line, right? And I realized that I can't do that. And I think that like for me, unless you're willing to meet me halfway, there's absolutely nothing I can do for you. It's like, I can tell you every plan, I can put you, I can put you on any workout plan, any diet plan and get you to lose weight, but unless you're willing to meet me in the middle somewhere, or at least take that first step, there's nothing anyone can do.

• 9:36Speaker 01

  How many people do you work with that say they're committed to meeting you halfway, but then don't?

• 9:41Speaker 02

  Uh, yeah, I've worked with, it's interesting, when I work with the athletes on the, on the show, they come in very motivated, right? And they, and they, you really try to find out what is motivating them. It's like, are they motivated by the money? Are they thinking, okay, you know what, I could win $250,000 right now if I win, if I win this, I'm gonna devote all my energy to this. And it's like, you gotta really be able to like, kinda spot that and be able to get them to change that because I've seen, I've seen the people come on to the show that have won and then they put all their weight back on. And for me, it's like-

• 10:12Speaker 01

  It's because it's just because of money.

• 10:14Speaker 02

  It's because of money, and so you gotta find-

• 10:15Speaker 01

  The shift in their mind.

• 10:16Speaker 02

  There has to be a shift in the mind because you cannot sustain a lifestyle like this unless you are completely motivated to. And it's like, thinking about it every single day. I always tell people, go up to a guy that looks like you and go, what do you do? I mean, you have to think about what you're doing. You've got your protein shakes like, uh, that you're drinking right after a hard workout like that, you're pushing. It's like, you think about it. You're, you're, you're constantly in the game. And it's like, I'm trying to get people in the game.

• 10:42Speaker 01

  It's, I like that, in the game. Now, when you have a huge goal as an individual who's 200 pounds overweight or 100 pounds overweight,

• 10:52Speaker 01

  Or they're in debt, or whatever it may be, they're in a bad relationship. What is the best approach to take on a huge goal that's like seems so big that's like years away, what's the best approach?

• 11:03Speaker 02

  I mean, I think that it's almost like that AA mentality, you've got to just take it one day at a time. I really believe that if I'm gonna look at a guy that's gotta lose 200 pounds, or if I'm looking at a guy that is just like in debt for a hundred thousand dollars, or however much, you've gotta look at what you can do today to change your future. Because if you're living in the past, you're fucked, right? It's like in the future, the same thing. You've gotta like do what you can do today, here and now. So it's like the guy that's gotta lose all this weight, I can't get you to focus on you're gonna lose 200 pounds, I gotta be like, you know what, let's get the first 10 off, let's see how that's gonna feel. And all of a sudden, that first 10 comes off and you're like, okay, I'm motivated, I'm willing to keep going. It's the same thing in any aspect of your life, whatever you wanna change, no matter

• 11:47Speaker 02

  how big that goal is, you've got to take those small steps toward it. It's like, it's just, it's too overwhelming and daunting to just like take it all on in the first day. That's where I see failure happen with a lot of people. I see failure happen when people decide, today's the fucking day that I'm gonna just like, I'm gonna do it all, like by Friday.

• 12:08Speaker 01

  They're done, you're screwed. Yeah. So it's really having a plan and sticking to little baby steps each and every day, and following through the entire plan.

• 12:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was like, when you say baby steps, it makes me think of that movie a long time ago, What About Bob, with Bill Murray. It's like, he's like in therapy, and it was like these baby steps, he's like baby steps to the elevator, baby steps to the car. And it's like, I think about that all the time when I work with the athletes that I work with.

• 12:31Speaker 01

  Now, do you think that fitness and success in any area of your life go hand in hand? Do you think you have to be fit in order to be successful?

• 12:39Speaker 02

  I think that to be a well-rounded individual, you've gotta have a healthy lifestyle, and to have a clear mind and a clear head. I mean, I think that I always try to get people to look at the full pie of their life, right? How's their relationship, how's their business, how's their personal life, how's their health? And it's like, when you have a balance of all that, that's when you are pretty much living the dream, right? And I think that that dream is a real hard, hard, can be, can be unattainable for a lot of people, but I think that if you really kinda take those small steps toward every aspect of your life being, being the way that you want it, then you're gonna be able to achieve it. I think that, I really do believe...

• 13:22Speaker 02

  It's like, we live in a country that anything is possible.

• 13:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:26Speaker 02

  You know, it's like, you can do anything that you put your mind to, as long as you have faith in yourself and give yourself a chance.

• 13:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly. You know, one of the things I talk about is health, wealth, and relationships balance.

• 13:37Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 13:37Speaker 01

  And there's some entrepreneurs who sell their company for a hundred million dollars, but they're a hundred pounds overweight, or no one likes them. And for me, I don't feel like that's success. I feel like you've got to be well-rounded in all areas of life to be successful, but that's my point of view.

• 13:51Speaker 02

  Right.

• 13:51Speaker 01

  I think you're on that track.

• 13:53Speaker 02

  I think that I'm on that track.

• 13:54Speaker 01

  I like that. Um, so what is, um, what's the best way to train your mind on a daily basis to put you on the right path?

• 14:04Speaker 02

  God, this sounds like an Oprah Winfrey episode, but, um, I really think that you've got to be able to find something that you're grateful for every single day. It's like, I tell people that are like in the darkest time of their life, it's like this, find, find one thing, one thing in your day, and then the rest you can just like fucking go to, you know, you can just go to the darkest place. But as long as you just like plant that seed every single day and not get wrapped up in the misery of whatever your situation is, uh, looking for a job, going, you know, bankruptcy, whatever, like major huge issues that so many people have to go through. If you're able to just like start to plant that seed of change, you will be able to change.

• 14:49Speaker 01

  I like that. I like that. So what's your daily routine like when you wake up? Do you plant those seeds? Do you talk about what you're grateful for in the morning?

• 14:54Speaker 02

  Uh, it's not, uh, it's not the first thing in the morning, but it's at some point during my day. It's like, I get up in the morning and it's one of those things where it's like, I take my dog out, I go for a walk, I have my coffee. I'm just like taking in what my day's going to look like, what I, what I want to achieve today, like, you know, when my workout's going to be. Uh, you know, I plan out, I plan out my meals. I'm very like, kind of anal retentive about things like that. But I also just like, you know, what am I going to do fun for myself today?

• 15:20Speaker 01

  Right, right. That's cool. Now, uh, tell me about your book. It's been New York Times Bestseller list for how long?

• 15:26Speaker 02

  God, it's been, um, like, almost four months now.

• 15:29Speaker 01

  Wow. Consistently, it hasn't broken the list?

• 15:31Speaker 02

  It's been in the, uh, it's been in the top 10. It was top, it was, it was number one for, uh, like 10 weeks.

• 15:37Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 15:37Speaker 02

  And, uh, it's, it's a great book. I mean, I gotta tell you, what I really wanted to do... Was this, so many people are always just like, Bob, just give me a set of rules, just tell me what to do. And that's what I go on to the point, I go on to the show every single season. And it's like this, here's your things to do list. You check this off at the end of the day and then everything's going to work out. And that's why I decided I'm writing, um, writing this book. I'm going to put these 20 simple, yet non-negotiable rules together. They're going to give you the tools that you need. And the best thing about it's not some quick fix. I mean, it's like, it's things that we all know, but I'm here to remind people about it.

• 16:15Speaker 01

  Right, exactly. But everyone wants a done for you plan and they want the things to be done for them.

• 16:20Speaker 02

  They want to.

• 16:20Speaker 01

  By step.

• 16:21Speaker 02

  They want to take all the thinking out of it and just like, alright.

• 16:25Speaker 01

  Take action.

• 16:26Speaker 02

  Just tell me what to do. I'm like, alright, I love telling people what to do, so here you go.

• 16:31Speaker 01

  You like being the boss, right?

• 16:32Speaker 02

  I like being the boss, I've got major control issues, so, um.

• 16:36Speaker 01

  So what's happening with the next season? This is going to be your 14th?

• 16:39Speaker 02

  14th.

• 16:40Speaker 01

  14th season, it's going to start soon. What can you tell us about this or what are you excited about or what are you?

• 16:45Speaker 02

  I'm really excited, um, Gillian's coming back, Gillian Michaels. She's been my, um, she's been my counterpart on the show since the very beginning. And she's gone for the past two seasons. And I really believe that, um, the show took a hit by not having the combination of Bob and Gillian.

• 17:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:03Speaker 02

  Uh, I love that I want to talk about myself in third person.

• 17:08Speaker 02

  But, uh, you know, it's like Gillian and I really have a chemistry together and we have a lot of fun together. And, uh, uh, we have really, uh, maximized the good cop, bad cop, uh, mentality. And it's like, it's going to be really, it's going to be really exciting to like get back to work with her.

• 17:24Speaker 01

  How many more years do you expect this to continue?

• 17:26Speaker 02

  That's a really good question. I think that, uh, I knew from the very beginning that this show had legs. Everyone was just thinking, oh, this show's going to be, you know.

• 17:33Speaker 01

  One time and done.

• 17:34Speaker 02

  It's one season and I remember like that first day. When I met those contestants and I saw the whole idea of this and I saw the passion that Jillian and I have for the jobs that we do, I knew that we were gonna be here for a long time. And I remember looking at her and I said, "You and I are gonna be working together for a long time." And she was like, "This show's not gonna last more than one season." And I was like, "You are wrong."

• 17:56Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 17:57Speaker 02

  And now here we are.

• 17:58Speaker 01

  Well, I think as long as Americans, what is it, 30% of Americans are obese, or one every three, or some children are obese.

• 18:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, the obese rate now is, God, it's like reaching, it's reaching like over 40, almost 40%.

• 18:14Speaker 01

  Oh my gosh.

• 18:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:15Speaker 01

  So as long as that's happening, this show's gonna continue.

• 18:17Speaker 02

  People are obsessed with weight loss, you know, people are always looking, and I think it's interesting, in the very beginning, it was a show that overweight people watched, and now it's like, the family show, people wanna watch with their families, fit people watch it to get, now that I've brought CrossFit into it, it's like, it's turned into a whole other ballgame.

• 18:37Speaker 01

  It's awesome, it's so nice. Now, tell me about your business outside of the show. What have you done for yourself to grow a side business? You've got products, you've got DVDs, you've got now a membership site. What are you doing to leverage the media that you get from the show for your own business?

• 18:55Speaker 02

  Well, what I've done now is like, I've kind of built my whole brand. I've kind of created this, this corporation where not only are my DVDs doing really well, I also have my books, my book series now, I've got my online club that's really starting to take off. I do a lot of speaking across the country, I go around, and that was something that I got into during my second book. I think that when you have the gift of gab, you know, I like to talk, as you can probably see. I mean, it's like, I remember, I remember the first time I got up there and started speaking to people, I was really excited about

• 19:38Speaker 02

  the fact that like, you know, I had something to say and people wanted to listen. So, I love that I've just taken over your office. We're almost done.

• 19:49Speaker 01

  You got the neon shirt, the neon shoes, we're talking about the attention, yeah.

• 19:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, Bob's great, we're changing the front door today. We are, they're on the way. Yeah, try not to steal any of my stuff, I'm bringing in the rest of my stuff today. So, yeah, that's what I've really done, I've just like really kind of like branched out, but still staying in the health and wellness arena because that's what I love and that's what I do. But my speaking engagements has been a lot of fun. Yeah, it's been a lot of fun and extremely lucrative.

• 20:25Speaker 01

  What do you see as the most lucrative thing for you to capitalize on with the media attention, with the show, is it the membership site, is it speaking, is it the books, the products? What do you think long-term is going to be the best for you?

• 20:39Speaker 02

  I mean, of course, I think that the show has been the most lucrative for me and other show deals that have come to me, other producers that have come to me with different kinds of ideas. I know that Jillian and I have really been going back and forth with putting a show idea together. I think that it's funny because this job and my career has made me a lot of money and I'm really, really fortunate for that, but it's never, ever been my objective, just like it's never been my objective to be on TV. It's like, you know what it is? It's a really great byproduct, all of a sudden I get to do all this, all these other projects

• 21:21Speaker 02

  and I do have all these, this brand that's out there and it's really building and getting stronger. But I never lose sight of why I do what I do, it's like I like working with people, I like coming into a box like this, I want to be able to just interact one-on-one or help as many people as I can, and now it's kind of like I've... Been given this platform to to reach out to a lot of people and even with my social media.

• 21:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, it's huge. You got like

• 21:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean I

• 21:51Speaker 01

  Half a million people on Twitter or something and Facebook.

• 21:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, like, and like, yeah, like, together, we got like, you know, I'm reaching, I'm reaching well over a million, uh, million people that I just kind of like Talk to on a daily basis about like what I'm doing and what I find is like every single day when I just post my workouts or post a picture That push press that you, uh, that you gave me that picture that one day that when we worked out, I mean, the people that just get motivated from that because they see that

• 22:17Speaker 01

  You're working hard and

• 22:18Speaker 02

  I'm working hard and it's like this is something that I've got to do. So it's like, it's a good way to just kind of reach out to people.

• 22:23Speaker 01

  Right. So what's, what's next for you then?

• 22:26Speaker 02

  Well, I think what's next for me is, uh, my third book. That's what I, I'm going to meet, uh, I'm working on it right now. I'm writing it with, um, my, um, my partner and, um, That's, that's my next thing. I've got, um, another DVD series that's coming out. I'm going to, um, I'm really getting into the CrossFit community even more with, uh, Greg Glass and a Dave Castro and just like, uh, uh, finding projects that I can do with them and, uh, because I think that, I mean, as you know, you're, you're, you've been bitten by the CrossFit bug too. It's like, it's, it's, it's an addiction and, uh, it's, it's one of those things that I want to give it to the masses, you know, I want to give it to, I, I want to give it to the people that aren't like the, um, The rich cronies and the, you know, and the

• 23:10Speaker 01

  Graham Holmbergs.

• 23:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, and the Graham Holmbergs. It's like, uh, I want to show, um, middle America that they can do their scaled down version of Fran and feel just as good as we do Afterwards.

• 23:21Speaker 01

  With lightweight and, yeah.

• 23:23Speaker 02

  It's all about scalability, so.

• 23:24Speaker 01

  Now, what is the thing you're most passionate about that people don't know?

• 23:30Speaker 02

  Photography.

• 23:30Speaker 01

  Really?

• 23:31Speaker 02

  I'm a photographer.

• 23:32Speaker 01

  Well, you do use Instagram a lot. I like

• 23:33Speaker 02

  I do use Instagram a lot. Uh, I'm a big, uh, I love photography. I, uh, I just bought a, um, a little beach house in, um, Laguna and, uh, I've, uh, I've been, this project right now is, um, printing all these photographs that I'm going to be putting all in, and the house is going to be like all my photography. I don't know if that's narcissistic.

• 23:53Speaker 01

  We've got this photo right here you just took too.

• 23:55Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, that was, I took that on his birthday, uh, that one out there with the girls on their handstands. Yeah, but, uh, Yeah, so that's what I'm, that's what I'm really passionate about. I love it. It's like, it's a, it's a good outlet. It's a good creative outlet. It just like, you know, it kind of puts my brain someplace else and, uh,

• 24:09Speaker 01

  Right.

• 24:10Speaker 02

  I love, I love having a camera in my head. That's cool. So where's the best place people can find you online? Uh, bobharper.com. Okay. That's, that's where I am, that's where I am day in and day out. Okay, awesome. Yeah. Bob Harper, man, the myth, the legend. Thanks, man. I'm strong, I'm stronger than you today. You were stronger than me.

• 24:36Speaker 00

  So I hope you guys enjoyed that interview and make sure to head over to bobharper.com to learn more about our guest. He's definitely an amazing guy and if you're looking to improve your level of fitness, I couldn't recommend his membership site, his books, and his DVDs enough. I hope you guys are enjoying the School of Greatness podcast so far and any feedback you have would be very much appreciated. Make sure to head over to schoolofgreatness.com to be notified of our next episode and please, stop by iTunes and leave us a five-star review. Until next time, thanks for listening and do something great.