17 Top 16 Characteristics of Greatness with Don Yaeger

What does it take to achieve greatness? Don Yaeger has been mentored by legendary coaches like John Wooden. He's interviewed hundreds of the top champions in the world and even lived with athletes to learn exactly what makes them amazing. Through his years of experience with these legends, he's discovered 16 common characteristics of greatness. […] Get more from Lewis! Get my New York Times Bestselling book, Make Money Easy! Get The Greatness Mindset audiobook on SpotifyText Lewis AIYouTubeInstagramWebsiteTiktokFacebookX

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• 0:00Lewis Howes?

  This is episode number 17 with Mr. Don Yeager.

• 0:07Lewis Howes?

  Welcome to the School of Greatness. My name is Lewis Howes, a former pro athlete turned lifestyle entrepreneur. And each week, we bring you an inspiring person or message to help you discover how to unlock your inner greatness. Thanks for spending some time with me today. Now let the class begin.

• 0:32Lewis Howes?

  Hey, all you beautiful greats out there. Thanks so much for tuning in today and listening to this episode. It's going to be a fantastic one because I've got my good friend, Mr. Don Yeager on. And yes, Don is a true champion. And before I introduce our fantastic guest today, I want to do the quote of the day. I said I was going to start doing the quote every time we do a new episode. So I've got a cool quote today that I like. And it's from Muhammad Ali, a man that's known for greatness. He said, "I hated every minute of training, but I said, 'Don't quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'"

• 1:15Lewis Howes?

  Now, this is perfect for me because I am one week away from the national championship tournament for team handball. And for those who've been checking in on me on Facebook and Twitter and Instagram, I've been posting pictures and talking about this. I moved to New York City a couple of years ago, about a year and a half ago, to learn a new sport, an Olympic sport called team handball. And now I've got an opportunity to compete in the national championships. I'm on the USA national team, but I'll tell you what, practicing on the weekends and late nights on the weekdays is not fun. It's never been a lot of fun, you know, having to sacrifice, giving up a lot of your free time to do something you really want to do. But

• 1:55Lewis Howes?

  The journey is fun and it's given me an amazing opportunity to achieve my dreams and go after my dreams. So I am pumped. I'm super pumped. It's in Reno next week, three day tournament. Hopefully bringing home the national championship for New York City Team Handball. Big shout out to my teammates. And we've got a great guest today. I am super pumped. He is in the house today with me. His name is Mr. Don Yeager. He's got a book out called Greatness, The 16 Characteristics of True Champions. And he is going to unleash something about greatness that you probably didn't even think about. He's going to tell you his definition and tell you some of his top 16

• 2:38Lewis Howes?

  characteristics of what it means to achieve greatness. Now, Don Yeager is an amazing individual, awesome guy, and just an inspiration to me. I've known him for a couple of years. Mostly just we've had a phone interaction and email interaction, but finally get to see him in the flesh today. Super pumped. And for those that know, do not know who Don Yeager is, he is a seven-time New York Times bestselling author. Now, that's seven different books. In my mind, getting one book as a New York Times bestseller would be pretty cool, but he's done it seven different times. And he's going to talk a little bit about what he's done to achieve that. He's

• 3:19Lewis Howes?

  also a longtime associate editor for Sports Illustrated. He's been on Oprah. He's been everywhere. He's hangs out with the top athletes in the world. He interviews them. He writes books with them. So he gets to dive in behind the mindset of what the greatest champions of our time, how they think, how they act, how they live, how they breathe, what they eat, who they hang out with. And he's going to share exactly what it takes to be great on this episode today. So I am super pumped because he's an awesome guy. He's going to share with you some great stuff.

• 3:55Lewis Howes?

  Want to give a quick shout out to the review of the week from my friend Dan and his iTunes handle is Kai Card A D one, or Kai Card Dad one, whichever one you want to say. He says, thanks for the inspiration. I enjoy your work. Great people become great by hard work and applying correct principles. Thank you for introducing me to great people and allowing me to learn from them. So I appreciate it, Dan, for that. You are correct. I think that when you have mentors, people that can teach you some things, that's the way you're going to become great. And you're going to learn some great things about that from our guest

• 4:38Lewis Howes?

  today, Mr. Don Yeager. I'm super pumped about that. Also, everyone, keep posting on Instagram, on Twitter, on Facebook, where you are listening to these episodes all over the world. We had, who did I see today on Instagram? In front of the Sydney Opera House, I saw Ralph Cooy, I think the last name you say is Cooy, Ralph Cooy posted a pic saying he was listening to the episodes while he was in front of the Sydney Opera House. Pretty cool. Someone else was in the gym today, I saw on Instagram and tagged me and said they were listening to it while they were working out, getting pumped up. Someone else was in the car. So go ahead and post a picture of where you are listening to this in the world. Tag me on Instagram or on Twitter and say hi. I would love to see what you guys are up to.

• 5:23Lewis Howes?

  And with that, guys, let's jump into this week's episode with my good friend, Mr. Don Yeager.

• 5:40Lewis Howes?

  How's it going, Don?

• 5:41Speaker 01

  I am exceptional, Louis. Thank you very much for having me.

• 5:44Lewis Howes?

  Now, Don just flew in from Florida, right?

• 5:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:47Lewis Howes?

  You're from Florida. You're here speaking at UCLA. We were going to do this podcast over Skype or the phone the other day, but then I realized you were flying here and I was like, let's just meet up in person.

• 5:57Speaker 01

  Right. Awesome.

• 5:58Lewis Howes?

  So I'm glad we got to hang out in my apartment studio. And for those that don't know, Don, we connected probably about two, three years ago, wouldn't you say?

• 6:07Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 6:07Speaker 02

  All right, and you actually emailed me when we first connected, right?

• 6:10Speaker 01

  I did, absolutely. Very fascinated about what you do.

• 6:13Speaker 02

  I appreciate it. And I remember getting the email from you and being extremely excited because I went to your website and I saw that you'd written like four New York Times bestsellers at that time, I think. Now you've written six or seven?

• 6:25Speaker 01

  Seven.

• 6:25Speaker 02

  Seven New York Times. I don't know anyone else who's written seven New York Times bestsellers.

• 6:29Speaker 01

  Well, actually, I got a really nice letter from the book editor at the New York Times who actually told me that fewer than 50 people in the history of the New York Times list have written seven on the nonfiction list. So it's kind of a pretty awesome. I don't know who the others are, but I'm sure there are a lot of really extraordinary people and then there's me.

• 6:51Speaker 02

  Fifty is still a lot of people. I would not think that many people have done it. Seven New York Times bestsellers. It's pretty impressive. You also worked at, you were the associate editor at Sports Illustrated for a number of years, correct?

• 7:01Speaker 01

  I was, absolutely. Twelve years.

• 7:03Speaker 02

  And you were in newspapers and media before then, right?

• 7:05Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 7:06Speaker 02

  Yeah. So you've had an amazing career. And what inspired you, after working at Sports Illustrated, to then go into the book world and start even doing these amazing athletes? You did Walter Payton's, but you lived with him for a while, right?

• 7:19Speaker 01

  I lived with Walter for the last 10 weeks of his life, yeah.

• 7:22Speaker 02

  It's amazing.

• 7:22Speaker 01

  So I had actually written three books before I went to work at Sports Illustrated. In fact, it was one of those books that I think caught Sports Illustrated's attention. And you know, there's only, there's not that many writers for Sports Illustrated in the whole world. So to be able to join their staff and to be a full-time employee and to actually get a chance to participate in that community, which was really incredible, right? This is some of the best, most amazing writers I've ever been in in my life, was a great gift. So.

• 7:50Speaker 02

  Yeah. The best sports writers in the world, basically, right?

• 7:52Speaker 01

  They really were. They really are. And so, anyway, I had done three books before I got to SI full-time. And then I joined the staff, was there 12 years, and during that time, wrote a handful of other books. And then five years ago, got a chance to retire and do an early, early buyout. And I was just, I was smitten with the idea of writing one or two books a year if I could.

• 8:17Speaker 02

  Right.

• 8:17Speaker 01

  Helping incredible people tell their stories. And then I, I wanted, as you know, to get out and get a chance to speak more and more often to corporate, to mostly corporate events.

• 8:26Speaker 02

  Right, right, right. Now, who was the, what was the first story you thought about writing about, or who, was there an athlete that really inspired you that you wanted to share their story? Or was that Walter or was it someone else?

• 8:36Speaker 01

  Well, Walter, uh, yeah, Walter was my first kind of really interesting breakout book when it came to that. Um, I, I was, I was already at Sports Illustrated. I'd met him a few years earlier and, and he, he had, he was ill.

• 8:48Speaker 02

  Um, right.

• 8:49Speaker 01

  He knew that he was, um, gonna die. Uh, I did not, and nor, nor did the public. He, he had been taken from the organ donor list and he needed a new liver. And he would take it from the list because the, the, the disease in his liver progressed.

• 9:03Speaker 02

  Right.

• 9:04Speaker 01

  To the stage that a new liver would no longer save him. And so he was looking to hire a writer and he'd interviewed several. Um, didn't really click, apparently with, with, with those he interviewed. And, and then one, one day I was on Oprah, um, and I was in Chicago to be on Oprah. And the next day when he saw me on Oprah, um, he kind of remembered our interaction. But beyond that, he also just saw, I guess, something in me that he liked. And it was enough that he said, would you come be the guy?

• 9:31Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 9:31Speaker 01

  And, um, so I flew to Chicago and, and spent much of that last 10 weeks of his life with him, which was really incredible.

• 9:38Speaker 02

  Did you know he was gonna pass away?

• 9:40Speaker 01

  He told me, he told me that first day that I was there. He said, look, I'm, you know, I invited you here because this is, you know, it's over. And I don't know what that, in fact, you know, there's this long pause because I didn't know how to react. How do you, he's my hero, right?

• 9:54Speaker 02

  Right.

• 9:55Speaker 01

  He was 46 years old. He was amazing. And and he looks at me and he says, I mean, I'm no longer on the list.

• 10:02Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 10:02Speaker 01

  Um, and I had this long, I mean, what I didn't know what to say and Walter ultimately he looked at me and he goes, so I hope you can ride fast.

• 10:09Speaker 02

  Oh, my gosh.

• 10:10Speaker 01

  He was just trying to make me laugh because he knew I was in this awkward state and that was just Walter. He wanted to make you feel comfortable. Um, in his presence and um, so I did, I uh, I jumped in with both feet, basically moved to, moved to Chicago and stayed at his home and.

• 10:25Speaker 02

  With him four or five hours a day, basically.

• 10:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, as much time, however long he was lucid every day.

• 10:30Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 10:31Speaker 01

  I was spending time with him and it was really, uh, it was incredible. I mean, it was, um, he believed in me in, in ways I wasn't sure I believed in me at the time. Gave me an opportunity that was a game changer. Um, uh, I mean, to this day, I have athletes who, um, who say to me that part of the reason they want to talk to me about doing their, telling their story is because they, they worshiped Walter and if Walter trusted me, then they can trust me.

• 10:55Speaker 02

  Amazing, amazing.

• 10:57Speaker 01

  It's amazing how sometimes one interaction like that can, can really help turn the.

• 11:01Speaker 02

  Spark your career, basically, right? Yeah.

• 11:03Speaker 01

  Can change the trajectory of your life.

• 11:05Speaker 02

  Now, did you know he only had 10 weeks or was it kind of like?

• 11:09Speaker 01

  No, we had no idea.

• 11:10Speaker 02

  You thought maybe he had six months or a year potentially?

• 11:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, I, I, I asked, I, I thought based upon what he had shared with me, that he probably had three to five months, you know? Um, uh, and did not expect it to happen as quickly as it did.

• 11:25Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 11:25Speaker 01

  So.

• 11:26Speaker 02

  It's crazy.

• 11:27Speaker 01

  The really, the really kind of interesting thing about it was he was such an amazing guy and, but he, and he had a daughter, Brittany, who was 13 at the time. Um.

• 11:36Speaker 02

  She's on your speaker reel.

• 11:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, she's so amazing. She actually, she's just getting, she's getting married this summer.

• 11:42Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 11:42Speaker 01

  Just got an invitation to her wedding and, uh, all excited about getting a chance to go there, but you know, at the time, there were lots that, there were a lot, there were many things that Walter wanted to share with her that he couldn't because she was 13. And he just couldn't say it. So interestingly, it became this relationship where he would say them to me, knowing at the right and appropriate time, I would say them to her. So I've had wonderful relationship, wonderful relationship with both of her, both of his children over the years. I was just with both of them, actually, a couple of weeks ago in Chicago. And I just, I love their family. I love what they stand for. And I love what they're all about. And Walter, Walter was incredible. And it was, it was on, on, on a million levels. It was one of the great gifts ever given to me in my life.

• 12:27Speaker 02

  Amazing. That's amazing. Now, you've interviewed hundreds of athletes, I'm assuming, right? Throughout writing and for books and things like that. But who was the most inspiring athlete you've ever interviewed or written about?

• 12:41Speaker 01

  Inspiring, maybe it would, I don't know if I would say athlete, but athlete slash coach John Wooden. Had the chance to work with Coach Wooden for the last 12 years of his life. And while he was, he actually became a mentor. We actually entered into a relationship where every other month for 12 years, I flew out here to Southern California to spend the day learning from coach.

• 13:04Speaker 02

  He won what 12 national championships?

• 13:06Speaker 01

  He won 10 national championships in 12 years.

• 13:08Speaker 02

  Unbelievable.

• 13:09Speaker 01

  And anyway, in those, in those years, all those hours of time, sitting there, interviewing, talking, learning, mentoring. I mean, John Wooden just inspired me on, to do things that I didn't believe I was capable of either. So that's, that's the amazing thing about finding the right people in your life. And that was really one of Coach Wooden's most important lessons, is that you will, he used to say to me, he said, you will never outperform your inner circle. You want to know what your capacity for greatness is, what your capacity for success is? Look at the people you have around you. Because you'll never outperform them. And if you want to achieve at a higher level, improve your inner circle.

• 13:47Speaker 02

  That's interesting.

• 13:48Speaker 01

  And it really is, it's a great challenge. I find myself all the time thinking about my circle. Who's in it? Who who should be in it, whether or not some people maybe need to have a different spot in the uh in in the circle.

• 14:02Speaker 02

  So what do you do if you've been, you know, had friends you've had in the circle for years that you're like, okay, this no longer is serving me or helping me become a better person.

• 14:10Speaker 01

  No, I I you don't necessarily have to cut people off because some of the people, for example, that I had to make decisions on related to my circle are family members.

• 14:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:19Speaker 01

  Right? And you can't.

• 14:20Speaker 02

  With a bad attitude.

• 14:21Speaker 01

  You can't you can't get rid of a family member, right? Let's be honest. So uh but what I what I would do is I just realize, you know what, rather than the amount of time I was allotting every week to conversation, maybe it's maybe it's half that.

• 14:33Speaker 02

  Cut it back.

• 14:33Speaker 01

  And what happens with that other time? I'm finding people, you know, that um I you just you have to you have to govern who you put in that circle and and it's it's one of those places where your decision making will impact you greatly. And Coach Wooden, you know, one day said to me, you show me your friends and I'll show you your future.

• 14:52Speaker 02

  Oh, my gosh.

• 14:53Speaker 01

  And uh.

• 14:54Speaker 02

  What a.

• 14:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:55Speaker 02

  What a quote.

• 14:55Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You think about that, you start thinking about your friends, right?

• 15:00Speaker 02

  Wow, that's impressive. Didn't he have the the like pyramid of success?

• 15:04Speaker 01

  He did.

• 15:04Speaker 02

  Triangle of success?

• 15:05Speaker 01

  He built a pyramid of success in nineteen fourteen.

• 15:09Speaker 02

  Oh, my gosh.

• 15:11Speaker 01

  And uh he um, you know, for many years just would would go on to kind of be able to share it with um uh, excuse me, nineteen thirty-four, uh but he would go on and and you know, he would share this pyramid of success with people for many years and uh and you know, I love it because you and I talk about greatness a lot. I mean, the the top block on his pyramid was everything is built around getting to what he called competitive greatness.

• 15:36Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 15:37Speaker 01

  And competitive greatness is your ability to be your very best when your best is needed. That's awesome, right? I mean, everything of everything we do should be about, you know, whether it's preparation or friendships or, you know, um or or development of skill sets or whatever, everything should be built about getting us to the place where uh where we're we're there to do our very best when our best is needed.

• 16:00Speaker 02

  When it matters.

• 16:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:02Speaker 02

  When the pressure's on, five seconds left.

• 16:04Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah. Or when the, you know, when the when the business meeting requires us to suddenly change the trajectory because it's going south and we can all feel it.

• 16:12Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 16:13Speaker 01

  And uh and who's going to step in and be your very best when that moment's needed?

• 16:17Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 16:17Speaker 01

  The great ones, the great ones have that capacity.

• 16:20Speaker 02

  What was his book called again?

• 16:21Speaker 01

  Uh, well, he had, he had several of them. I wrote one with him called A Game Plan for Life.

• 16:26Speaker 02

  Didn't he have one that was like a blue book or something?

• 16:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, he did. Wooden on Leadership.

• 16:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 16:30Speaker 01

  Uh, and, uh, really, um, really incredible, but, uh.

• 16:35Speaker 02

  Now, you wrote a book with him.

• 16:36Speaker 01

  I wrote a book with him.

• 16:37Speaker 02

  Have you wrote, have you thought about writing a book like Lessons from Wooden?

• 16:40Speaker 01

  No, no, I've actually, yeah.

• 16:42Speaker 02

  Twelve years working with him?

• 16:43Speaker 01

  Yeah. I, I mean, really, I kind of wrapped a lot of that up in that, cause the book that we did together was really around mentoring.

• 16:50Speaker 02

  Gotcha.

• 16:51Speaker 01

  Cause he was a mentor to me.

• 16:52Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 16:52Speaker 01

  And so the first half of the book were, was a look at the mentors of his life, people who had made him who he was. The back half were people whose, whose lives he had changed by mentoring them. So, uh, you start getting that concept, start thinking about the pay it forward nature of mentoring, of true mentoring, right?

• 17:10Speaker 02

  Right.

• 17:10Speaker 01

  Um, and, and I learned a lot about mentoring, cause I used to think it was showing up at a school and, you know, taking a volunteer arrangement. Uh, but that's not really mentoring. I mean, it's nice and that is nice. That's a good program. But mentoring is really about living a good life. If you live a good life, people will notice.

• 17:26Speaker 02

  Yeah. Not one-on-one mentoring, but mentoring to the masses.

• 17:30Speaker 01

  You don't have to, right?

• 17:31Speaker 02

  Right.

• 17:31Speaker 01

  And there's this, uh, there's a commercial, been on TV for a couple of years that I've always loved it. I think of Coach Wooden every time I see it where you watch, uh, you know, a guy's getting off a bus and he's getting ready to step into traffic and somebody pulls him back and, you know, and then later that day, that guy who is, you know, notices somebody in a wheelchair trying to get across a curb and, you know, you, if you really try to, if you realize what life is about, it's about a series of paid forward opportunities and, um, and mentoring is the ultimate one.

• 17:57Speaker 02

  Now, how important is mentoring to achieving greatness for?

• 18:01Speaker 01

  I think it's mass, I think it's, I don't think you can achieve greatness.

• 18:04Speaker 02

  Without a mentor.

• 18:05Speaker 01

  Without mentors and without the willingness to mentor others. Again, I think great, I think there's a two-way street there.

• 18:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:11Speaker 01

  Like you have to say, um, who is it that's gonna, you know, who's, who's collective experience and, and, uh, uh, and mind am I gonna tap into and then who, who am I gonna give to?

• 18:23Speaker 02

  Sure, sure.

• 18:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, mentoring has been a big part of my, you know, success as an athlete and in business. After I retired, I had no clue what I was doing, but I reached out to a few key people who became mentors, and that's really helped shape my business mindset and my attitude towards business. So without mentors for me, I know I'd be pretty screwed.

• 18:44Speaker 01

  And you know, that's kind of, that's really neat. You, you said something really important there that almost gets passed over sometimes when you say it because it's so casual. You reached out to them.

• 18:53Speaker 02

  They're not coming to me.

• 18:54Speaker 01

  Bottom line is, yeah, and most of us want a mentoring relationship or we, we long for one, but we don't do what we have to do.

• 19:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 19:01Speaker 01

  And it's our job. If we want to learn from somebody, it's our job to ask.

• 19:05Speaker 02

  Yeah. And if the mentor says, I want to mentor you, that's probably actually not going to get the best result. Even if the, the mentee is like, okay, cool, let's do this. I think the mentee has to really approach the mentor.

• 19:19Speaker 01

  And then my job, when we had this relationship with Coach Wooden, was every time I showed up, I had to come well prepared. He used to say to me, the, the first time you come in and you're not well prepared, the first time you come in and what you really want are autographs or pictures, it's the last time you get invited.

• 19:33Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 19:33Speaker 01

  So my job is, you know, if I knew that, so I had to come up with a lesson plan. Every time I showed, I had to come up with a plan of what I tended to learn that day. And then it was my job, my job, to ask him questions and draw from him the expertise of an amazing lifetime.

• 19:50Speaker 02

  It's not his job to teach you everything you knew and just say, here's what you should do.

• 19:53Speaker 01

  Right. I had to draw it out.

• 19:55Speaker 02

  Seek it out.

• 19:55Speaker 01

  Which meant that every time I had to think, what would be some really, what's some, what's something, some nugget that I want to learn?

• 20:02Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 20:03Speaker 01

  Could it be, uh, could it be, hey, Coach, how do you keep the 13th guy on your roster? The guy that's never going to play? How do you keep that guy engaged every day? How do you keep him motivated and encouraging? And how do you keep him from becoming a cancer when he knows he's never going to play? And so to do that, I would, I would prepare myself by going through his rosters and identifying the 13th guy on every team so that I could ask him specifically, hey, how did you? Forgive me for doing this, but how, how did you do that with old Louis?

• 20:32Speaker 02

  Right, right, right.

• 20:33Speaker 01

  I mean, old Louis-

• 20:34Speaker 02

  If I was playing for UCLA basketball, I'd be 13.

• 20:36Speaker 01

  Old Louis at the end of the bench house. How did you, how would you have kept, how did you keep him engaged?

• 20:40Speaker 02

  Right.

• 20:41Speaker 01

  So I could ask him specifically and he could tell me about activities and exercises and things that he would do. That allowed these conversations to become enormously personal and meaningful.

• 20:50Speaker 02

  Let's switch on to athletes. You've interviewed some great athletes. Who are, who are, who was one of the most inspiring athletes?

• 20:57Speaker 01

  You know, I, I know there are a lot of people that kind of go different. I'm Michael Jordan. Every time I get a chance to kind of be with him and in conversation with him, he to me is, uh, uh, his ability to mentally change the game. Is inspiring to me. You know, yes, he had physical gifts, uh, but he wasn't the first player chosen in the draft.

• 21:24Speaker 02

  Right.

• 21:24Speaker 01

  He didn't make his high school team as a sophomore. I mean, there's a million stories out there where, and Jordan points to all of them.

• 21:29Speaker 02

  Right.

• 21:29Speaker 01

  You know, as, as what he calls, you know, logs on his fire. Things, you know, that he, that he holds on to. And, and we all have them. Heck, I, I mean, I don't know about you. I have a little, I have a little editorial that, that hangs on my computer. This editorial was written 20 years ago by a newspaper, um, in Las Vegas that was criticizing me for, for something that I, you know, for, for a project I had written. You know, and it was, it was wrong and, and it bothered me for the longest time. But today I hold on to it. It's, it's a log on my fire.

• 22:01Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 22:01Speaker 01

  It reminds me that, that for all that I, you know, you can look and you can go, wow, what a, what a, what a grace life you've lived. No, I've had moments, right?

• 22:10Speaker 02

  Right, right, right.

• 22:11Speaker 01

  We all have.

• 22:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 22:12Speaker 01

  And the truly great ones use those moments to do something special. And Michael Jordan is, uh, is to me as, as incredible as anybody.

• 22:20Speaker 02

  How often do you get to, to spend time with him?

• 22:22Speaker 01

  Uh, about eight or nine times a year.

• 22:24Speaker 02

  Really?

• 22:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 22:25Speaker 02

  Where?

• 22:26Speaker 01

  Just golf tournaments. I mean, I was just with him a couple of weeks ago in Las Vegas.

• 22:29Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 22:29Speaker 01

  At his, um, at his event and, uh, you know, um, working on a book with him right now because of his power and his passion for Make-A-Wish, the Make-A-Wish Foundation. And, um, so yeah, it's, I, I would say he's a guy that I would, that I find extraordinarily inspiring.

• 22:46Speaker 02

  And why is he the best basketball player arguably, arguably that's ever lived?

• 22:50Speaker 01

  Well, there was a combination of, you know, his, his ability to, um, to be his best when his best was needed. Right. But there was also that he had a mental strength. Um, and an ability to, I mean, as almost all great athletes do, and an ability to intimidate others just by his presence. And, uh, and there's something about that. I mean, you know, and we all know those people. We know those people who walk in the room and everybody, everybody takes notice.

• 23:20Speaker 02

  Right, right.

• 23:21Speaker 01

  Michael Jordan was that guy. And I, I, I enjoy trying to get inside the mind of people like that. Trying to understand what, what makes people like that tick.

• 23:31Speaker 02

  Now, how do athletes or anyone in business or life get the point of becoming their best when their best is needed? What does someone do to get, to achieve that, to learn those lessons, those skills?

• 23:44Speaker 01

  Well, first, I, I think the first thing that's important, and you said it there too, is that you can't, these are learnable skills. Right. Most, you know, a lot of people love to think, oh, well, that just was all natural. Nah, it wasn't. I'm sorry. You know what? Uh, you know, natural does happen for, to a, to a, to a degree. And, and, and there is skill set. I can't play in the NBA, though I'd love to.

• 24:03Speaker 02

  Right.

• 24:04Speaker 01

  I'm not gonna play in the NBA. My skill set that won't, won't allow it.

• 24:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:07Speaker 01

  So, um, that's not gonna happen. But beyond that, you know, there are a lot, I mean, what people have done with their skill set is what's so impressive.

• 24:15Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 24:16Speaker 01

  So it's an understanding of, of preparation. It's an understanding of what you have to do. You know, what you can, and, and controlling what you can control. You know, that's what too many, so many people are focused on. So many people are focused on what they can't control.

• 24:31Speaker 02

  Right.

• 24:31Speaker 01

  Right. They're, they're bent out of shape about a referee or a call or a, or this or that, or, you know, focus on what you can control. That's, that's one of the, one of the most important characteristics. Um, secondly, I think you, you look at it and, um, most great winners that I've would, would answer that question by saying they, they at some stage learned how to hate losing more than they love winning. They expected to win. Winning didn't give them the thrill. Sometimes it gives other people.

• 24:57Speaker 02

  Right.

• 24:57Speaker 01

  Losing.

• 24:58Speaker 02

  They hated it.

• 24:59Speaker 01

  Losing hurts.

• 24:59Speaker 02

  They hated losing more than they liked to win.

• 25:01Speaker 01

  Right. They hate losing more than they love winning. And how do you grow to learn, how do you learn to do that? Remember, learnable. We're gonna talk about learning here. How do you learn to do that? You take excuses off the table. See, cause if you can make an excuse every time something doesn't go your way. And by the way, you'll never learn from that. You will not, because it's not your fault.

• 25:18Speaker 02

  Oh, it's the ref's fault. It's his fault. It's the other teammate's fault.

• 25:21Speaker 01

  Right, yeah. It's, you blame it on somebody. As long as you blame it on somebody, you will not learn. Mike Jordan, again, great example. He and I are in this conversation about this subject. He had a great line. He said, "A loss is not a failure until you make an excuse." And when you make an excuse, and suddenly, you know, guess what? You're, you're, you're, you're just taking yourself right out of, "A loss is not a failure until you make an excuse."

• 25:44Speaker 02

  So what is it if it's not a failure? It's a learning experience?

• 25:47Speaker 01

  It's a learning experience. Absolutely. A loss is a learning experience until you make an excuse. And then when you make an excuse, "Oh, by the way," then you, then you've lost every, any value in it.

• 25:57Speaker 02

  Wow, this is amazing. Well, Jordan's lost a ton.

• 26:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's one of, it's one of my favorite quotes from him. You know, "I've missed more than 3,000 shots." You've seen it. We've all read it.

• 26:05Speaker 02

  That's great.

• 26:06Speaker 01

  You know, and he said, "I, I've succeeded because I failed." And, uh, and that's exactly right. So, the truly great ones get that.

• 26:13Speaker 02

  Now, there have to be some people that have the same mindset and probably better athletes than Jordan out there. I mean, LeBron James is probably a better athlete.

• 26:21Speaker 01

  Absolutely. So he's certainly more physically gifted.

• 26:23Speaker 02

  More physically gifted. Maybe he's not a better basketball player, but he's a better athlete. Do you think athleticism can beat, you know, amazing athleticism can beat great athleticism with an average mindset?

• 26:35Speaker 01

  I think, I understand your question, and I think it's, I, I think sometimes, but not over the long haul.

• 26:41Speaker 02

  Uh huh.

• 26:41Speaker 01

  Right? Not over the long haul. I think if you are, um,

• 26:45Speaker 02

  Not over seven game series.

• 26:47Speaker 01

  Over seven game series or over a lifetime, basically, right? I mean, if you, if you were to be, uh, you know, if you were to have amazing athletics, amazing skill set in anything, in anything, but you're not willing to do the little things, the hard work, the, the preparation, the pieces that, that kind of grow to allowing you to be successful. If you're not willing to do those little things, um, then at, at a certain stage, someone will figure out your skill.

• 27:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 27:10Speaker 01

  Right? People always do.

• 27:11Speaker 02

  Get in your head, you won't be strong enough mentally or whatever it may be.

• 27:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, people figure out your skill.

• 27:15Speaker 02

  Interesting. So what is the difference between one and two then? The best in the world from second best in the world?

• 27:23Speaker 01

  Well, you know, from a practical standpoint, it can be, it can be nothing. You know, I mean, it could, literally, you look at Olympic events, right? Where the difference between first and second is, is such a

• 27:35Speaker 02

  Tenth of a second or a hundredth of a second.

• 27:38Speaker 01

  One one thousandth of a second. I mean, you know, sometimes the difference between the two of them. Sometimes the difference between first and fourth is, you know,

• 27:45Speaker 02

  One tenth.

• 27:45Speaker 01

  One tenth of a second, right? And you, so you're, you either win the gold or you win nothing. And it's, and it's that fraction, right?

• 27:52Speaker 02

  It could have just been that day.

• 27:54Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah, or it could have just been whatever, again.

• 27:57Speaker 02

  Right.

• 27:58Speaker 01

  Or no excuses, right?

• 27:59Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 27:59Speaker 01

  Or you can say it could have just been that I didn't, I didn't do what I should have done.

• 28:03Speaker 02

  Right.

• 28:03Speaker 01

  So I think the difference between the first and second on a, on a more, on a less practical stamp.

• 28:09Speaker 02

  Over time.

• 28:10Speaker 01

  Over time, is a commitment, an understanding, um, that, uh, that you gotta do the little, you gotta do common things uncommonly well. That's what most people don't want to do, the common things, right? They don't want to do the, they don't want to do the things that, that, that make, um, that, that make you successful in any business. If you're a, for an insurance, insurance salesperson, you know that if you make a certain number of phone calls every week, you have a better chance of success than if you make half that many phone calls every week.

• 28:38Speaker 02

  Right.

• 28:38Speaker 01

  The truly great ones make the number, right? They, they are committed to the common things. Phone calls.

• 28:45Speaker 02

  And they're consistent, right?

• 28:46Speaker 01

  And they're consistent. They do them uncommonly well.

• 28:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:49Speaker 01

  Right? And, um, that to me is a real, is a, that I think has a huge difference between one and two.

• 28:55Speaker 02

  Interesting. You're, you, a recent book, I don't know if it's your last book, but one, it's called, I think, Sixteen Characteristics of Greatness, right?

• 29:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, yep. I, I've spent the last 25 years kind of asking these great winners, um, a single question, which is if you could pick a characteristic, something that separated you from your, your, your peer or competitor, something allowed you to go from good to great and stay there?

• 29:17Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 29:18Speaker 01

  What would that characteristic be? And so what this book is, it's kind of a collection of the most, most, uh, the answers that come up most often.

• 29:27Speaker 02

  Sixteen common themes.

• 29:28Speaker 01

  When those, when those great winners are asked that question.

• 29:30Speaker 02

  Interesting.

• 29:31Speaker 01

  And, uh, well, number one is, we just talked about it, hate to lose more than you love to win. Uh, number two is they understand the value, they understand they're only as good as their inner circle, that they'll never outperform their inner circle, that lesson, Coach Wooden. Um, you know, so there's, and they're really not in order. I mean, I don't want, I don't want anyone to think.

• 29:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:49Speaker 01

  But number one is the answer that comes up most often, but it's not that number sixteen is the answer that comes up least.

• 29:54Speaker 02

  You're right.

• 29:55Speaker 01

  It's just that they all play into, um, you know, how they live, how they think, how they work, how they prepare.

• 30:00Speaker 02

  It's a total package. It's not just one thing. You've got to do all the different things right in order to achieve greatness and you've got to be very disciplined.

• 30:07Speaker 01

  Yeah. In fact, I, I say all the time that, you know, to me, um, the one thing about greatness, and I don't know about you, as you use the phrase, but the one thing that's interesting to me is that, um, you know, it's sometimes it's, it's harder to, it's harder to define greatness than to achieve it, right?

• 30:23Speaker 02

  Right.

• 30:24Speaker 01

  So, so it really comes down to my definition of greatness as I write in my book, and yours might be different than mine, but as mine goes, um, you know, one of the most important things is your ability to be well-rounded, that you're, you know, you may be able to win fourteen, uh, fourteen major golf tournaments, uh, in your lifetime, but, uh, if the rest of your life's a disaster, then you're a good golfer.

• 30:46Speaker 02

  You're, you're a great golfer, right? Or you're still a good golfer?

• 30:49Speaker 01

  I think you're a good golfer, but you're not a great, cause again, I reserve great for the, for, for someone that's got the package.

• 30:55Speaker 02

  All around in life.

• 30:56Speaker 01

  Right. And, um, you know, uh, so I, I look at people, I mean, you know, I've, I've met a few, I've met a few in my lifetime who, who have been so extraordinary in one thing that you, that most people would, if you just wanted to focus on that gift, you'd go, wow, that's incredible. But then you meet meet them and you spend time with them and you realize that they're a train wreck and so many other parts of their life that that greatness is not really the phrase you'd use.

• 31:24Speaker 02

  For anything else in their life. Right. Interesting. Now, you're not referring to someone specifically now, are you?

• 31:30Speaker 01

  Um, I know, I mean, just like, well, golfing, yeah, I was clearly referring to Tiger Woods. But, you know, I think.

• 31:37Speaker 02

  So would you consider him a good golfer then?

• 31:39Speaker 01

  I think Tiger's a good golfer.

• 31:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's not a great golfer.

• 31:42Speaker 01

  You know, again, I use the word great.

• 31:43Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 31:44Speaker 01

  A great, great to me has, has, has a, has a more well-rounded, um, you know, has more well-rounded approach to it. I think, you know, so I, and I guess, so I'm not actually defining great golfer. I'm thinking great person, great, great, um, I'm thinking greatness and I don't, and I don't put Tiger in that category. He's not that. So, and you know what? One day he might be. One of my favorite quotes of all time is, you know, every, every saint has a past and every sinner has a future. And, uh, so I'm, I'm real careful. I do not, uh, I don't sit in judgment of people based upon a history.

• 32:19Speaker 02

  Right.

• 32:19Speaker 01

  I do want to judge them on what they're doing today.

• 32:22Speaker 02

  The steps they're taking.

• 32:23Speaker 01

  And the steps they're taking to it. We should all have a future.

• 32:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, and we've all made mistakes and messed up.

• 32:28Speaker 01

  Uh, trust me. I've been there, baby. I get it.

• 32:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly. I did an episode previously where, and I've mentioned this a few times, where I've been trying to figure out what's more powerful for athletes to believe fully in themselves or to believe in their faith or God, and which one gives them the upper, the upper hand, I guess, when they're competing. So we talked about, I've talked about the power of belief before. I had David Anderson out here who played wide receiver for the Houston Texans, and he's also caught for Tim Tebow a bunch of times. And he said it was amazing to see, you know, the power of his belief in his faith. And there's other guys, who would I think of, like, Metta World Peace, maybe, or someone like that in the past where they've, all they talk about is themselves, are very self-centered, egotistical, and think that they have the

• 33:13Speaker 02

  gift. Either way, I heard this in some interview at some point, that, um, you know, the best have a belief in something, whether it's their faith in themselves, they believe so strong in that they can't break it.

• 33:27Speaker 02

  Is that, do you feel like that's true?

• 33:28Speaker 01

  Absolutely. It's actually on my little list of characteristics of great winners. It's at the very top. It's near the very top, but, um, but I actually believe that it's the ability to, um, it's, it's your ability to, to have a sense of a higher power. I don't think it's

• 33:44Speaker 02

  Really?

• 33:45Speaker 01

  Yeah. So I don't, I, I think it's, I think it's innate. If you have all these other things working, a sense of self-confidence will come with that, right? Because you have a peace. There's a peace that comes with, with, with, um, uh, and, and, and from peace grows self-confidence. But I, I will tell you that to me, when I look at those who I would put in this category, extraordinary, great people, faith, not always worn on their sleeve like Tim Tebow, you know, but faith in a higher power. It doesn't have to be my faith.

• 34:18Speaker 02

  It has to be religion.

• 34:18Speaker 01

  It didn't have to be, it didn't have to be what I believe, right? But they believe something out there is bigger than them, right?

• 34:26Speaker 02

  Right, right.

• 34:26Speaker 01

  And I think

• 34:26Speaker 02

  It's created them as

• 34:28Speaker 01

  Right. Has a, has a role in, in their lives that's bigger than they are.

• 34:31Speaker 02

  Interesting.

• 34:32Speaker 01

  Because I think if, you know, if we become too self-absorbed, if we're too, um, if that self-confidence becomes self-absorption.

• 34:38Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 34:38Speaker 01

  Uh, we believe we're the center of the universe. You know what? It doesn't take long for that to crash down around you.

• 34:43Speaker 02

  You may be able to get to the top, but it's not going to stay at the top.

• 34:46Speaker 01

  It's not sustainable.

• 34:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 34:47Speaker 01

  And again, back to my definition of greatness, it's about sustainability. It's about being, well, being able to get someplace, stay someplace where most people can't even get there.

• 34:56Speaker 02

  Right. What do you think's the biggest thing holding people back from greatness? Is it doubt or fear or is it something else?

• 35:02Speaker 01

  I honestly, I think the greatest thing holding most people back from fear, uh, from, from greatness is their ability to, um, to, to understand that it, that it's available to them, that they're, that it's capable.

• 35:15Speaker 02

  They don't know it's available.

• 35:16Speaker 01

  Most people believe that that's reserved for somebody else, right? They have a belief that they have a sense that they are, um, Uh, that somehow they're not worthy, you know, and, and I say this as a guy who thinks about that all the time.

• 35:31Speaker 02

  Right.

• 35:31Speaker 01

  I think about it all the time. I struggle with worthiness all the time. I look all the time at what I get to do and I think, man, am I really deserving of this?

• 35:39Speaker 02

  I'm hanging out with Michael Jordan every other month. I'm doing, you know, coaching all these coaches.

• 35:43Speaker 01

  You're sitting and going, am I worthy? And so I get it. I get totally that it's a struggle for most people because I struggle with it.

• 35:50Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 35:51Speaker 01

  And each and every time I do that, I have to go back to an understanding that this was made available to me because I did other things right.

• 35:58Speaker 02

  Right.

• 35:59Speaker 01

  Just keep doing the other things right and it will continue to be available to me. So.

• 36:04Speaker 02

  So how does someone get over that fear that, you know, that concern that I'm not good enough?

• 36:08Speaker 01

  But you, just as I do, right? Just as I do, say to yourself, you, you know, make it a, make it a point to yourself. You know what? I'm here because I did things to get me here.

• 36:18Speaker 02

  Right.

• 36:19Speaker 01

  To stay here, I gotta continue to do those things.

• 36:21Speaker 02

  And what if they haven't even gotten above average?

• 36:24Speaker 01

  You know what? Uh, and but see to me, uh, greatness is also one of those things that it's, it's, um, uh, it's different for each of us.

• 36:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 36:34Speaker 01

  Right? You know, my greatness is different than Michael Jordan's.

• 36:37Speaker 02

  It's true.

• 36:37Speaker 01

  Mine's different from yours.

• 36:38Speaker 02

  Right.

• 36:39Speaker 01

  But if we're working toward it, and I also, you know, again, a lot of this sounds so ethereal, which is kind of crazy because I'm not an ethereal kind of guy. I'm a, I'm a, I want to see something. I want to reach out and try to grab it. Right? I want, I want to hold the trophy when it's over, kind of thing. But to me, this understanding of, of, of greatness,

• 36:59Speaker 01

  it's not really attainable. You'll never really get there because if you do, it's over.

• 37:03Speaker 02

  It's the pursuit of it.

• 37:04Speaker 01

  It's the pursuit of it.

• 37:05Speaker 02

  The journey.

• 37:06Speaker 01

  Right. It's Vince Lombardi once said that, you know, greatness is not attainable, but, but in the pursuit of it, you can achieve excellence.

• 37:12Speaker 02

  That's great.

• 37:13Speaker 01

  And, um, uh, you know, so I'm, I'm about that. I'm about the pursuit of greatness in the, in the hopes of excellence.

• 37:21Speaker 02

  Interesting. Now, have you ever thought about being a coach?

• 37:24Speaker 01

  No.

• 37:25Speaker 02

  No?

• 37:25Speaker 01

  No, I, I work with my four-year-old son's T-ball team and that's about as, that's about as much as I can work on right there. I, I don't know. I, I, I can't imagine.

• 37:35Speaker 02

  No? All those lessons you've learned, you don't think you could make a great team out of it?

• 37:40Speaker 01

  I don't know. I don't know.

• 37:42Speaker 02

  It's not one of those places I've let myself wonder.

• 37:45Speaker 01

  I mean, I do, you know, for me, it's really kind of more corporate coaching now. I mean, I do, I do end up with a lot of corporate relationships where companies engage me to do more than than a keynote. I mean, to actually stay involved and do monthly webinars. You and I were talking about that yesterday. Or, you know, kind of bringing on some other lessons. So my coaching is more on the corporate side than on athletic.

• 38:07Speaker 02

  This is just as useful. Interesting. Now, what?

• 38:15Speaker 02

  Who's the one athlete that you'd like to write for or about that you haven't yet? The person you want to meet, someone's story that's exceptional?

• 38:25Speaker 01

  Derek Cheater.

• 38:27Speaker 01

  I'm fascinated by his ability to play at the highest level in the highest media market in the, in the United States, in the world.

• 38:36Speaker 02

  That much pressure.

• 38:37Speaker 01

  That much pressure to consistently be not just a top flight athlete, but a, but a pretty extraordinary human being. By all accounts, if everybody ever, I, I know who knows him, right? And I've interviewed him a couple of times, but not, you know, not in anything other than small group settings. So I marvel at him. I marvel at his ability to do that. And again, to have, to just, just consistently, consistently

• 39:08Speaker 01

  do it and without, without anybody being able to kind of be Smurfs, be Smurfs' character. Which to me, you know, I'm not even a Yankees guy. I don't, but again, I'm not a big fan of any team. I, I really enjoy people. I root for, I root for people. And Derek Cheater is one of those guys I'll always root for. I hope he comes back and I hope he's healthy and I hope, I hope he gets to end it on his terms.

• 39:28Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 39:29Speaker 01

  Cause you and I both know that in athletics, that doesn't happen often enough.

• 39:32Speaker 02

  Right. What's your, we only got, we got a few minutes left. What's your thoughts on Kobe and his injury? Do you think he's able to come back and achieve the same level of greatness or is he kind of?

• 39:40Speaker 01

  I think, I think that injury at his age is really difficult. And I think, and you just, you hate that it happened in the, in the most common of moves, you know?

• 39:50Speaker 02

  Landing.

• 39:51Speaker 01

  Right. Just to take, just to take off. I mean, he was just literally, you know, making a, making a quick jab step to the basket and boom, gone. I mean, our bodies are, our bodies fail us. I understand that, baby.

• 40:06Speaker 02

  Crazy. Well, what's next for you then? What's, what do you got going on?

• 40:10Speaker 01

  So finishing, uh, finishing this book with the Make-A-Wish Foundation, which is really incredible. Sitting down with top 25 athletes who grant wishes to children.

• 40:17Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 40:17Speaker 01

  Um, it's been incredible. Michael Phelps, uh, Tony Hawk, um,

• 40:23Speaker 02

  Michael Jordan.

• 40:23Speaker 01

  Michael Jordan.

• 40:24Speaker 02

  You get to interview all these guys.

• 40:25Speaker 01

  Everyone. I'm sitting down one by one and talking to them about what wish they granted most affected them. What wish they granted most changed them, which is really incredible. Book comes out this fall. It's called Wish Granted. And it's really awesome. Every dollar in the book, uh, goes to the Make-A-Wish Foundation.

• 40:40Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 40:40Speaker 01

  And, uh, so it's a big, big deal. Really exciting.

• 40:43Speaker 02

  That'll be, that'll be number eight in your time.

• 40:45Speaker 01

  I hope so. I hope so. I would hate to think that it doesn't make it cause it should.

• 40:49Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 40:49Speaker 01

  And then I've, uh, and then I've just agreed to do my first big non-sports book, uh, which is, uh, with the, with Stephen R. Covey. His family invited me to write his autobiography. So very excited by that. Looking forward to telling the, the life story of one of the, uh, most amazing non-sports men I've ever gotten a chance to meet.

• 41:08Speaker 02

  That's Seven Habits of How They Affected People, right?

• 41:11Speaker 01

  That's him.

• 41:11Speaker 02

  Which is.

• 41:12Speaker 01

  Forty-one million books that guy sold. He understands, uh, he's, he's a brand.

• 41:17Speaker 02

  That seems like it's perfect fit for you with, you know, your greatness book and writing that.

• 41:22Speaker 01

  Well, and he was a big fan of Coach Wood and so I think that had a lot to do with why I got this chance.

• 41:26Speaker 02

  I actually got to hear him speak one time at a Tony Robbins event back when I was like 16 in St. Louis. He spoke and very inspiring, very powerful message.

• 41:35Speaker 01

  Absolutely. Completely.

• 41:37Speaker 02

  That's very cool. Well, where can people find you online, Don?

• 41:40Speaker 01

  Uh, www.donyager.com, D-O-N-Y-A-E-G-E-R.com. And, uh, you know, I, I, I'm not as linked or as, uh, as Twitter savvy or Facebook loved as you, but I'm trying.

• 41:55Speaker 02

  You're using it. I see you out there. You've got a great newsletter that I read every time you send it out.

• 41:59Speaker 01

  Thank you. Yeah.

• 41:59Speaker 02

  Make sure to sign up for Don's newsletter and.

• 42:03Speaker 01

  We actually, if they go to that website, we actually do. I've been, I've been collecting, uh, great quotes as you've heard me use a few of them here. And so I send out a quote every morning, um, to, uh, I don't know how many. There's many, there's, there's, there's several thousand people that get it every morning, which is kinda neat. It's a great way to kinda stay involved with, uh, with the community people that kinda are looking for a little inspiration. So if any of your listeners are there, would love to share a quote with them every day.

• 42:25Speaker 02

  Go sign up at Don's site and check him out. Look for his new books and I appreciate you, Don. Thanks so much.

• 42:30Speaker 01

  Dude, thank you.

• 42:37Lewis Howes?

  And there you guys have it. I hope you enjoyed this episode with my good man, Mr. Don Jaeger. And make sure to please head over to SchoolOfGreatness.com to check out all the different show notes. I'm gonna be linking up all the things we talked about here today. You'll be able to check out Don's site. You'll be able to connect with him on Twitter and Facebook and all that other good stuff. And even go see him speak. I encourage you to go check him out and hear him speak in person. Very inspirational guy. And you're gonna, you're gonna hear about him for a long time coming. I'm sure you'll see even a few more, maybe five or 10 more books that he's gonna write, which will be New York Times bestsellers. With that, guys, if you enjoyed this episode, again, please share this on

• 43:19Lewis Howes?

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