ENCORE: The Great Syrup Swindle | 136

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• 0:00Sarah Hagi?

  Audible subscribers can listen to all our episodes of Scamfluencers ad-free right now. Join Audible today by downloading the Audible app.

• 0:08Scaachi Koul?

  Sarah, it's the holiday season and you know what people do at the holidays? They go home, which is why I wanted to bring back an episode that we did last year. Because today on Scamfluencers, we're going to our home, otherwise known as Canada, with a scam that could not be more Canadian: a maple syrup heist.

• 0:27Sarah Hagi?

  You know, this is one of those stories where I thought I knew everything, but it was actually a lot crazier than I thought. And I didn't know this much about maple syrup. And now I do.

• 0:38Scaachi Koul?

  Well, you know what? It's extra timely because there's a new TV show inspired by this story, out now on Amazon Prime. It's called The Sticky. And I know it isn't totally accurate to the actual story, but I really hope that our favorite Canadian hero makes an appearance. Of course, I'm talking about Julien, the mullet-rocking Quebecois libertarian who posed for an official photo by flipping the bird. I actually can't believe I forgot to be her for Halloween, Sarah.

• 1:04Sarah Hagi?

  You know, she was such a complicated and iconic woman that, you know, I low-key miss her.

• 1:11Scaachi Koul?

  I know, me too. Well, gather the whole family for this story of sweet, sweet scamming.

• 1:24Scaachi Koul?

  Sarah, is there anything that makes you proud to be a Canadian? Is it the beer? Is it the beavers? Is it the passive aggression?

• 1:32Sarah Hagi?

  Oh, that's a tough question. There are certain Canadians that I think are cool, but I'm not one for nationalistic pride.

• 1:42Scaachi Koul?

  That's true. Well, what about the maple syrup, then?

• 1:46Sarah Hagi?

  I guess I feel some pride towards that. It's great stuff. I love using it, I love eating it, and people are impressed by it.

• 1:54Scaachi Koul?

  Well, it turns out Canada's maple syrup industry is a lot scammer than one might guess. So Sarah, today, we're going back home. Put on your tuque and carry your best English-to-French dictionary. We're going to Quebec.

• 2:13Scaachi Koul?

  In July 2012, accountant Michel Gauvreau arrives in the tiny Canadian town of Saint-Louis-de-Blancford. It's nestled between Montreal and Quebec City, and it's known for its picturesque landscapes and cranberry farms. It's basically a postcard for quiet country living. But Michel isn't here as a tourist. He's here for an important government audit, because this small town is a central hub for one of Quebec's most precious resources: maple syrup. Quebec makes over 70% of the world's maple syrup, and it's super valuable. Around the time Michel shows up for this audit, one barrel is worth about 13 times more than a barrel of crude oil. For context, a barrel holds more than 600 pounds of syrup. Michel's taking inventory.

• 2:58Scaachi Koul?

  He's literally counting the barrels that are stacked all the way to the ceiling, about 20 feet high. But as he reaches the top, they start wobbling beneath him, and he almost falls over. He freaks out. These barrels should be heavy, so he knows that something's not right. Michel knocks on one of the barrels, and it sounds hollow. He unscrews the lid, and his worst fears are confirmed. The barrel is empty, and then he decides to open one of the heavy barrels. And to his horror, he realizes that it's filled with...water. Michel panics. In total, more than 6 million pounds of maple syrup has vanished. It's worth around 18 million Canadian dollars. This becomes huge news.

• 3:42Scaachi Koul?

  And soon, the once-quiet town is swarming with cops, searching for clues. They don't know it yet, but they're at the center of one of the biggest, most shocking, and most Canadian heists of all time.

• 3:59Speaker 02

  I'm Lauren Malloy, the host of the podcast My Mom's Murder. For 30 years, I thought my mom died of natural causes. That's what everyone told me. That's what I believed. Until one day, I got a phone call that changed everything. A woman claiming to be my mom's best friend told me my mother was murdered. And that no one had ever investigated it. So I did what the detectives wouldn't, pulled the threads, knocked on doors, and confronted the contradictions. And what I found, it's worse than I imagined. Something happened to my mom. Someone killed her. And I won't stop until I find out who.

• 4:41Speaker 02

  The system may have given up on my mom, but I never will. Listen to My Mom's Murder wherever you get your podcasts. Audible subscribers can binge all 10 episodes early and ad-free right now. Join Audible in the Audible app or by subscribing on Apple Podcasts.

• 4:59Speaker 03

  Hi, I'm Candace DeLong, former FBI profiler and host of the podcast Killer Psyche. In our latest episode, we go inside the case of Krista Pike, the woman Tennessee tried to execute and failed. Listen to Killer Psyche on Audible or wherever you get your podcasts.

• 5:23Scaachi Koul?

  From Wondery, I'm Sachi Cole.

• 5:25Sarah Hagi?

  And I'm Sarah Haggy.

• 5:26Scaachi Koul?

  And this is Scamfluencers.

• 5:36Scaachi Koul?

  While a maple syrup scam might seem a little small for our hyper-scammy show, it actually raises some pretty big questions about how the multimillion-dollar industry is run. This scam involves unreasonable government restrictions, angry Quebecers, and $30 million worth of poorly-guarded syrup. Sarah, I can't imagine a sweeter setup for a heist. I call this one the Great Syrup Swindle.

• 6:05Scaachi Koul?

  To make sense of this story, we have to understand the Canadian maple syrup industry a little bit better. Most of the country's syrup comes from the eastern, French-speaking province of Quebec. There's one big issue, though. The amount of syrup produced changes every year based on how early spring comes. This inconsistency leads to fluctuation in the cost of syrup. A bad season causes the price to spike, and a good season, when supply outpaces demand, sends prices falling dramatically. And that can make it hard for sugar shacks to run without losing money. The sugar shacks are where they boil a sap down into syrup. And then the farms where the sap is harvested are called sugar bushes. Sarah, when was the last time you went to a sugar shack?

• 6:48Sarah Hagi?

  Oh, my god, it must have been when I was a kid. Like, you'd go on these field trips during winter festivals, and they would pour that maple syrup over snow, and you'd twist it around with a popsicle stick

• 6:59Scaachi Koul?

  Yeah.

• 6:59Sarah Hagi?

  and have like a little maple syrup lolly.

• 7:02Scaachi Koul?

  So delicious. Like, a peak highlight of the misery of January, February in Canada.

• 7:08Sarah Hagi?

  Yes, it was the best.

• 7:10Scaachi Koul?

  Well, let's go back to the changing prices. In 1989, a government board that oversees agriculture in the region was like, "Okay, we can fix this. All we need to do is give a few people a lot of power." They decided to create a government-sanctioned maple syrup regulator. It's called the Federation of Quebec Maple Syrup Producers. They're basically in charge of keeping tabs on all the maple syrup in Quebec. They also set the rules for producing, marketing, and selling maple syrup as a way to stabilize prices. It means that the more than 13,000 Quebecois syrup producers are required legally to sell through the federation, whether they like it or not. The federation essentially becomes a legal cartel. And I'm not just saying that, Sarah.

• 7:53Scaachi Koul?

  It is widely recognized as a cartel. But not everyone in the federation agrees with that characterization, like this fifth-generation maple syrup producer who was interviewed in a Vice documentary.

• 8:06Speaker 04

  First of all, we're sanctioned by the government, so we're not a mafia. Uh, we're not an illegal body.

• 8:14Scaachi Koul?

  The Federation is run by a board of directors, and they all look like caricatures of maple syrup farmers, or just like people from Quebec in general. It's a bunch of old white dudes with very French names like François and Eric. They put a quota on how much syrup each producer is allowed to make. Any excess is placed into the Global Strategic Reserve, which is the backup syrup supply for the entire world. Basically, a network of warehouses like the one Michel inspects. The idea is that if producers have a bad spring and they can't make enough syrup to meet demand, the Federation can release the barrels from these warehouses. But those producers don't get paid until it hits the market, which can take years. And given how much maple syrup is worth, it's a lot of money to be waiting around for.

• 8:59Scaachi Koul?

  Some producers think that trade-off is worth it. Others want the right to sell on their own, and they're willing to risk everything to do things their own way.

• 9:10Scaachi Koul?

  All right. Now that we've covered the history of the maple syrup cartel, let's get back to our story. It's 2006. A man named Etienne St. Pierre is getting ready to explore a new business opportunity. Etienne lives in a tiny town in Canada's New Brunswick province, not far from the Quebec border. He's a retired mechanic in his 60s. He's got bright blue eyes, receding gray hair, and he wears the same navy blue shirts and pants to work every day, like a cartoon character. After Etienne retired, he ran a maple syrup farm for about a decade, and then he sold it to his son. Instead of making his own syrup, he decided to start SK Export, a company that packages and ships it. Everything was going smoothly until the Federation started enforcing their rules.

• 9:55Scaachi Koul?

  Etienne decides to stop working with the producers in Quebec. It's just too big of a hassle. He sticks to working with maple syrup producers in his own province, New Brunswick. But then he gets to thinking. There's money to be made by going around the Federation. He decides to send out ads to sugar shacks in Quebec asking if they want to work with him. Like, he's mailing out actual, physical flyers, admitting that he's about to do something illegal, and like, "Hey, does anybody want to come with?" Sarah, can you read what they said?

• 10:24Sarah Hagi?

  Yeah, the first flyer says, "Our system is very confidential." And the second flyer says, "Saint Pierre is a very honest person and very well-known in the region." Doesn't sound like he's a super discreet guy.

• 10:39Scaachi Koul?

  Right. Well, around this time, tensions are already high between Quebec syrup producers and the Federation. A lot of the producers see the group as an annoying middleman between them and their customers. So some of them take Etienne up on his offer. Etienne starts buying Quebec syrup behind the Federation's back, and then packaging, shipping, and selling it out of New Brunswick to other provinces, and even out of Canada. After about two years, the Federation catches on and sends Etienne a subpoena. But Etienne and his second-in-command, Julien Bouset, couldn't care less. And Sarah, I actually have a photo of Julien, and I would love for you to describe it.

• 11:17Sarah Hagi?

  Oh my god. This is a bad bitch.

• 11:23Scaachi Koul?

  She is a bad bitch.

• 11:25Sarah Hagi?

  So she's like an older woman with a mullet. I can only describe this as like a type of mullet. And she's in a field, it's winter, there's like snow everywhere, but she has her middle finger up.

• 11:39Scaachi Koul?

  Yeah.

• 11:40Sarah Hagi?

  She looks like, I don't know, like your school secretary kind of thing. Like, she looks a bit mean.

• 11:45Scaachi Koul?

  She looks like the meanest teacher in her blue fur coat.

• 11:51Sarah Hagi?

  I would be scared of her, to be honest. One hand in the pocket, one hand flipping the bird, yeah, I'm not messing with Julien.

• 12:01Scaachi Koul?

  Yeah. So, as you can tell, Julien has the exact same anti-Federation energy as Etienne, and she does not hold back. She actually faxes the subpoena back to the Federation with a handwritten note that says, "Fuck you, gang of assholes. Ha, ha, ha. We will keep buying maple syrup forever." Etienne and Julien aren't the only ones who want to make a buck at the Federation's expense. But back in Quebec, someone else is hatching an even wilder scheme.

• 12:31Scaachi Koul?

  It's 2011, about five years after Etienne started illegally buying and selling Quebec syrup. His hustle is in full swing, but his nemesis, the Federation, is also thriving. They have so much reserve syrup that they need an additional warehouse to store it. So they decide to expand the global strategic reserve to the warehouse in St. Louis de Blonfort, where they will stockpile millions of dollars' worth of syrup in barrels. The warehouse is co-owned by a few different people. One of them is a woman who's married to a guy named Avic Karol. He's in his late 30s, he's got downturned eyes, graying hair, and a shady criminal history. When he realizes what's being stored in his wife's warehouse, he doesn't just smell syrup,

• 13:14Scaachi Koul?

  he smells opportunity. Avic knows that the warehouse has very little security, and he knows that maple syrup is worth a lot of money. So he decides to try to sell it on the black market. But Avic also knows that he can't do this alone. He's gonna need help from people familiar with the syrup industry. So he throws himself into the best part of any heist movie, assembling a ragtag team of crooks to pull off the big score.

• 13:44Scaachi Koul?

  A few months later, on a hot day in June, Avic pulls into the parking lot of a truck stop off the highway. It's in rural Quebec, about 20 minutes away from the syrup warehouse. Avic gets out of the car and joins two other men standing around in the parking lot. He's invited them here for a secret meeting about all the syrup his wife is storing in her warehouse, thanks to the Federation. And once they're all together, they immediately get to planning. First, there's Sebastien Jutra. Sebastien is bald, with a brown goatee and a closet full of graphic t-shirts. He's a truck driver, so he already has connections in the shipping industry, and he knows how to move barrels. He'll be the one hauling the stolen syrup. The other man is Richard Valliere.

• 14:26Scaachi Koul?

  He has deep brown eyes, an intense widow's peak, and a seemingly permanent mischievous smirk. His father owns a sugar shack, so the syrup industry has always been a part of his life, and so has crime. Richard has a reputation as a barrel roller, which is what they call a syrup smuggler who finds a way around the Federation's rules.

• 14:45Sarah Hagi?

  You know, one thing that I think is very important about this story is that it's showing our non-Canadian audience how much of a different world Quebec is.

• 14:56Scaachi Koul?

  Yeah.

• 14:59Sarah Hagi?

  They are not in the same timeline that we are in. We're not living the same lives. They live in a very different reality. Yeah.

• 15:06Scaachi Koul?

  Well, Richard's been working as a middleman in the black market for about 10 years, buying syrup from Quebec producers and selling it outside of the province. He even does it with his dad's syrup. It's kind of a family business. Both father and son want to avoid the Federation whenever they can. Richard's actually had to pay the Federation thousands of dollars in fines in the past. About three years earlier, he was fined almost $2 million for selling maple syrup to unauthorized buyers. But no amount of fines will stop Richard from embarking on a new scheme. And what Avic is proposing is too good to pass up: the chance to make millions by selling reserve syrup on the black market. Richard agrees to store the stolen syrup at his dad's farm,

• 15:50Scaachi Koul?

  and then he'll sell it to someone who can export it. And Richard says that he knows just the guy.

• 15:56Sarah Hagi?

  Oh my god, this is a heist movie when the new guy shows up and he has like a toothpick in his mouth and is wearing a leather jacket.

• 16:03Scaachi Koul?

  It's even better. It's two people. Because this is where Etienne and Julien come back into the picture. They run that syrup exporting company in New Brunswick, and they love fucking with the Federation. They're perfect for the job. Plus, they've bought black market syrup from Richard in the past, so they already have a good working relationship. The team is assembled, the plan is in place, and now there's just one last thing to do: steal millions of dollars of precious maple syrup without getting caught.

• 16:39Speaker 05

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• 17:09Speaker 06

  Hey, I'm Cassie DePecce, the host of Against the Odds from Audible Originals. In each episode, we share thrilling true stories of survival, putting you in the shoes of the people who lived to tell the tale. In our latest series, we track the story of Hugh Glass, the real-life revenant that inspired the 2015 film starring Leonardo DiCaprio. In 1823, Glass was brutally mauled by a grizzly bear in present-day South Dakota and left for dead. His survival depended on trekking through 350 miles of wilderness, alone, with grave injuries. But he was driven by his thirst for revenge. Follow Against the Odds wherever you get your podcasts. Audible subscribers can binge all episodes of Against the Odds early and ad-free right now. Join Audible in the Audible app or by subscribing on Apple Podcasts.

• 18:02Scaachi Koul?

  It's the fall of 2011, about four months after Avic put together his dream crime team. It's the middle of the night at the warehouse his wife co-owns in St. Louis de Blonford. Everything is peaceful, the air is cool, the roads are empty, and the sky is full of stars. The headlights of a big rig and a forklift appear down the road and pull up to the warehouse. Using the forklift, Avic and his crew take barrels from the warehouse and load them onto a truck. They make sure to pick ones at the back or in the middle of their staffs. Again, this warehouse is packed with thousands of barrels, so they figure if someone shows up, they won't notice that anything is amiss. Sebastien, the truck driver, then drives the barrels to a sugar shack owned by Richard's dad.

• 18:47Scaachi Koul?

  They empty the barrels and drive to a nearby lake to fill them back up with water. Then they return them to their original place in the warehouse, all before sunrise. They are literally doing what teenagers do when they steal vodka from their parents and then replace it with water.

• 19:04Sarah Hagi?

  I mean, I understand this is technically a heist, but this is barely a heist. It's so easy. Like, there's no, like, blueprint they have to look at.

• 19:10Scaachi Koul?

  Yeah.

• 19:11Sarah Hagi?

  They just walked in, took barrels, switched them out.

• 19:14Scaachi Koul?

  It's a heist if, like, museums just didn't lock the doors at night.

• 19:17Sarah Hagi?

  Yeah, it's crazy.

• 19:18Scaachi Koul?

  Well, one detail about the heist is that the crew has to return the same barrels instead of swapping them for new ones. Because the Federation's barrels have a distinct look. They are pristine, Sarah, and they're a specific shade of off-white, with no scuffs or rust marks because they're so well-kept. And the gang knows that there's an annual inventory check, but the barrels are never opened for them. They're just counted. So as long as the barrels look right and they feel heavy enough, the smugglers think that no one will notice what they've done. That is, until the barrels are released from the reserve and sold to someone who realizes that they have just bought water. But that could take years. It is a perfect crime. So, once ITAN gets the stolen syrup, he puts stickers on the barrels to make them

• 20:03Scaachi Koul?

  look like they came from New Brunswick rather than Quebec. That way, he can slowly sell them off without his clients knowing that they're buying from the black market. Months go by like this, with periodic midnight visits to the warehouse. The barrels get emptied, filled with water, and returned, over and over. And no one notices. For now, everything is going exactly as planned. But every sugar high inevitably leads to a crash.

• 20:36Scaachi Koul?

  In early 2012, a few months into the con, winter sets in. It's so cold that the lake where the smugglers have been refilling the barrels freezes over. This means it's way harder to do their work at Richard's dad's place. They need somewhere with access to running water and a lot of it. So they move their operation to a new warehouse. But they've been pulling off this heist for so long that they're starting to get sloppy. They even rent the warehouse under Richard's name. The crew is pumped about their success, and they want to steal more and faster. So along with the new digs, they also get new people involved with the scheme. It's a risk they decide is worth taking.

• 21:15Sarah Hagi?

  I mean, so far, there hasn't been a ton of risk with this. So I can see why they'd want to bring more people in and possibly get more syrup.

• 21:25Scaachi Koul?

  Well, it's about to get messy. According to court documents, a federation employee actually notices a pool of water around a barrel at the St. Louis de Blonford warehouse one day. So Avic bribes him to keep his mouth shut. And he offers him even more money if he wants to join the scheme and help. The guy agrees. So now, the crew has a man on the inside. But as the crew gets bigger, the crime also gets more visible. People who live near the warehouse start to notice traffic on the usually quiet road at all hours of the night. They also see that the warehouse fence is always left open, and someone has cut the lock. At some point, the men from the heist slip up. We're not really sure how this happened, but empty barrels have somehow made their

• 22:08Scaachi Koul?

  way back into the warehouse. There's another issue, too. The barrels are starting to rust and get dirty. In the process of emptying and refilling the barrels, our heist team is causing visible damage. It's the kind of thing most people wouldn't notice, but federation employees are not most people. Meanwhile, cans of stolen maple syrup start hitting shelves in grocery stores. It's estimated that several million cans of this stolen syrup were distributed in the United States alone. For now, our crew is pulling off a bigger scheme than they ever could have imagined. But you know what they say, Sarah? Pride cometh before the fall.

• 22:50Scaachi Koul?

  By July 2012, Richard and the other thieves have been carrying out their heist for about 10 months, but they're starting to get paranoid. They've been using burner phones to talk to each other, and things are getting tense. Some members later claim that Avic becomes extremely aggressive, even scary. Allegedly, he's willing to threaten violence to get things done. But the men are about to experience something that makes their anxiety even worse. One day, Avic finds out an investigator is coming by the warehouse to do the annual inventory. In fact, he's on his way.

• 23:22Sarah Hagi?

  Oh, so this was kind of a total surprise to the team?

• 23:26Scaachi Koul?

  Well, that's the other thing some producers really hate about the Federation. Their inspectors can just show up to warehouses without notice. So Avic texts Richard on his burner phone, saying that someone from the Federation may have seen their truck. Richard tells Avic to calm down, to which Avic replies, "I am calm, sure." Avic says that they'll adjust the lights in the warehouse, making sure they're low so that it'll be harder to spot anything. But then, Richard gets a text that makes his heart drop. It's from Sebastian. Our writer translated it from French. Sarah, care to read it?

• 23:58Sarah Hagi?

  Yeah, Sebastian goes, "The alarm went off in the warehouse. Is everything OK?"

• 24:03Scaachi Koul?

  Michelle, the accountant hired by the Federation, has called the cops. That's after he nearly falls from a stack of barrels that turn out to be empty. A huge formal investigation takes off right away. More than 250 officers get involved in tracking down the syrup. They start by investigating the warehouse itself. With 16,000 barrels, it takes two months just to find all the empty and water-filled barrels to figure out how much was stolen. As talk of the heist spreads through Quebec, news teams quickly arrive on the scene.

• 24:34Speaker 03

  Police in Quebec are investigating after a major supply of the sticky stuff went missing.

• 24:39Scaachi Koul?

  After police start investigating the warehouse, they also notice something is off with some of the barrels. They know Federation barrels are always pristine. They're moved around with a special forklift that doesn't damage them, and they're airtight so there's never any leakage. But they see that many of the barrels in the warehouse now have visible markings: fingerprints, shoe prints, scratches, dents. And more than that, they have markings consistent with being moved around by a regular-ass forklift, one that grips in the middle of the barrel instead of the top. The thing about a small town like St. Louis de Blonfort is that there aren't a lot of options for forklift rentals. Investigators go to all the rental places in the area and get a list of their recent customers.

• 25:23Scaachi Koul?

  And one of the names that pops up is Sebastian Jutra. When the investigators hear his name, they perk up. They have heard about Sebastian before. A few people they interviewed mentioned seeing a big rig frequently showing up in the middle of the night, one with "Sebastian Express" printed on the side. Sebastian Express is, of course, a transport company owned by our trusty driver. He was driving the getaway car with his name painted on the side. The heist crew had come across the perfect crime, but hubris and greed got in the way. And now their greatest threat is coming from the inside. The investigation involves the Royal Mounted Police, or the RCMP,

• 26:08Scaachi Koul?

  and the US Immigration and Customs Enforcement Service. They're taking this crime very seriously, especially after they tally all of the barrels. They discover that nearly 10,000 barrels have been emptied. Their contents amount to more than 18 million Canadian dollars. Our boys are in hot water now, and they start turning against each other almost immediately. Richard later alleges in a court testimony that Uvic threatened him at gunpoint, saying he'd shoot Richard in the head if he spoke out.

• 26:37Sarah Hagi?

  This is crazy because, I mean, we all clearly were so into it. And now they're all turning on one another, being like, "He threatened me. He held me at gunpoint and said, 'You gotta steal this syrup now.'"

• 26:52Scaachi Koul?

  Well, everything starts to unravel. Sebastian is brought in for questioning. He's wearing a graphic tee, per usual, and clasping his hands in front of him, seemingly nervous. And video of it made it to the Netflix series Dirty Money.

• 27:14Scaachi Koul?

  The interrogator asks Sebastian if he's received any threats or promises for agreeing to be questioned. He shakes his head no. "No promises," he says, "but they told me it couldn't hurt my case." The interrogator nods. And then, maybe feeling a little bit better about ratting on his friends, Sebastian names names. Like, all the names. And so now, law enforcement is heading down to New Brunswick to take down the final player in this multimillion-dollar scheme.

• 27:45Scaachi Koul?

  It's 10 a.m. on September 25th, 2012, less than two months after the investigation started. Etienne is at the office of his company, SK Exports, in the same navy shirt and work pants he always wears. Suddenly, two cops from Quebec's provincial police service show up with a search warrant. Julien knows that a Quebec search warrant doesn't mean anything in New Brunswick. She later says that she snatched the warrant and pretended to wipe her ass with it. And then, when officers ask to see Etienne's warehouse, Julien reportedly takes the keys and shoves them into her bra.

• 28:18Sarah Hagi?

  I would expect nothing less from my dear Julien.

• 28:22Scaachi Koul?

  Indelible. Well, the police leave, but they return around 12 hours later with approval from a New Brunswick judge. Etienne and Julien can't stop them this time. The police use a crowbar to force the warehouse doors open and find over $1 million worth of syrup. The next day, Etienne admits that around 800 of the barrels came from Richard. The police take everything: all his syrup, his confidential list of suppliers, and even his forklift. Everything's coming together for the investigators, and Etienne is starting to look like a sap.

• 29:01Speaker 05

  Hi, I'm Kenia Paris. And I'm Malcolm Gladwell. We're back for season two of our Audible original podcast, The Unusual Suspects. We'll sit down with extraordinary guests from the worlds of art, film, literature, comedy, and wellness to hear from their unexpected stories of success. And who do we have this season? Well, we'll talk with Grammy-winning artist Anderson Paak, athlete Rich Roll, portrait artist Amy Sherald, Oscar-winning director Ron Howard, legendary writer David Sedaris, and many more. These conversations are more intimate than last season, wouldn't you say? I would. Listen to season one of The Unusual Suspects wherever you get your podcasts and sign up for a free trial Audible to listen to season two in the Audible app or by subscribing to Apple Podcasts.

• 29:49Speaker 06

  Alice, have you ever wondered why the Mini is so small?

• 29:53Scaachi Koul?

  The Skir or the Magnum?

• 29:55Speaker 06

  Well, I meant the iconic British car. Because in 1956, Britain's oil supply was suddenly cut off. Petrol rationing was brought in and the car industry was scrambling around for a vehicle that hardly used any fuel. Enter the Mini.

• 30:09Scaachi Koul?

  Interesting, but actually not technically British Scandal series material.

• 30:14Speaker 06

  Well, the reason they had to save petrol is because the Prime Minister started a war and lied about why.

• 30:20Scaachi Koul?

  Okay, scandal siren going off.

• 30:22Speaker 06

  I'm Matt Ford.

• 30:23Scaachi Koul?

  And I'm Alice Levine.

• 30:24Speaker 06

  And our latest British Scandal series involves a secret meeting in a French villa, a Prime Minister running on amphetamines.

• 30:30Scaachi Koul?

  An Egyptian president that everyone fancied, the end of the British Empire, and at the heart of it, a canal.

• 30:37Speaker 06

  This is the story of the Suez Plot.

• 30:40Scaachi Koul?

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• 30:58Scaachi Koul?

  About three months after the raid, Avic and Richard are arrested. Both men face charges of theft, conspiracy and fraud. Not long afterwards, Etienne and Sebastien are also arrested, along with others involved in the crime. In total, 25 Quebec residents face jail time, plus one New Brunswick resident, Etienne. Even Richard's dad gets taken in for storing the stolen goods. Around this time, news of the heist is making international headlines. Reporters are reprimanding the thieves, but they're also casting a critical eye on the Federation itself. Right after the arrest, The Washington Post publishes a headline with a big question: Why is maple syrup controlled by a Quebec cartel anyway? Outlets like The New York Times also call the Federation a cartel.

• 31:44Sarah Hagi?

  It is crazy when the rest of the world clues into what's happening in Canada.

• 31:51Sarah Hagi?

  So this is very surreal, but I do remember this and then Yuzen being like, "Oh, my God, like, something big is happening right now. The New York Times is writing about it."

• 31:58Scaachi Koul?

  Yeah. The Federation is under more scrutiny than ever. The story keeps getting bigger and bigger. In 2013, Jason Segel was even cast in a movie about it, though it seems like it got scrapped. But maybe he just couldn't pull off a Quebecois accent.

• 32:13Sarah Hagi?

  I mean, not many people can pull off that specific type of accent because they just kind of go into doing France French. You gotta live around that accent to know that accent.

• 32:24Scaachi Koul?

  That's true. It takes a special person and a special life experience to know it. Well, when the men finally go to court in late 2015 and early 2016, Sebastien turns his back on his crew yet again. He testifies against Avic, Etienne, and Richard. Richard admits to his part in the crime, saying that he bought the stolen syrup to resell and filled the empty barrels with water. He says he never wanted to participate, though. In a dim, wood-paneled courtroom in Quebec, he testifies that he was forced to by Avic, who constantly carried a gun and threatened him. Richard's story of manipulation and threats is compelling, but inconsistent. Witnesses in the court say he was actually one of the ringleaders of the heist.

• 33:07Scaachi Koul?

  Richard is found guilty of theft, fraud, and trafficking stolen goods. As for Etienne, he stays consistent. He hates the Federation, and he loves maple syrup. And that's that. He tells the jury, "You can't prove what tree the syrup came from." And you know what? That is technically true. But he is also found guilty of fraud and trafficking stolen goods. And Avic, well, he has a different tactic that comes completely out of left field. He blames the Italian mafia. Avic says that he wanted to end the heist way back in November 2011, just a month after it started. But then, two brothers from the Italian mafia suddenly showed up and started pressuring him.

• 33:50Scaachi Koul?

  Apparently, they forced him to keep the heist going.

• 33:53Sarah Hagi?

  Sure, buddy.

• 33:55Scaachi Koul?

  Well, unsurprisingly, Sarah, the jury doesn't buy any of it. Avic ultimately pleads guilty in January 2017 to charges of theft and trafficking. Finally, in April, convictions are handed out. A judge sentences Richard to eight years in prison and fines him $9.4 million. That's on top of the more than $600,000 that the judge confiscates from him. Etienne receives a sentence of about two years with three years probation. He's also required to pay $1.3 million and he faces five more years of jail time if he doesn't. Avic is identified as the instigator and he's sentenced to a five-year prison term and a $1.2 million fine.

• 34:37Scaachi Koul?

  Apparently, when he heard how stiff the sentence was, he flew into a rage, demanding a retrial and fighting with a security guard who tried to hold him back. The judge says that the sentence is so stiff because the crime has over 10,000 victims, every law-abiding syrup producer who relies on the Federation.

• 34:54Sarah Hagi?

  Yeah, I guess that makes sense. I mean, I'm sure most of these maple syrup producers don't love the rules, but they still abide by them because they have to make a living. So yeah, I'd be pretty pissed off. I'd be like, yeah, I am your victim.

• 35:06Scaachi Koul?

  Yeah. Well, unfortunately, it seems like the men weren't very careful with how they transferred and stored the syrup. Evidence shows that some accomplices in the crime got sick after tasting it, and some of the recovered syrup was destroyed because it was deemed unsafe for human consumption. Only a small fraction of the stolen maple syrup was ever recovered. Much of that was found in the States, which is the biggest importer of Quebec syrup. Who knows where the rest of the stolen syrup ended up? It likely found its way into lots of kitchen cupboards across North America. We don't really know if consumers got sick from it, but if you had food poisoning after a pancake breakfast around 2012, maybe now you know why.

• 35:49Scaachi Koul?

  In other news, Amazon, our parent company, is reportedly producing a TV show based on the heist. It's called "The Sticky." Jamie Lee Curtis is in it. Sarah, do you want to read the official description?

• 35:59Sarah Hagi?

  Yeah, it goes, "The Sticky revolves around Ruth Landry, a tough, supremely competent maple syrup farmer who's had it with being hemmed in by the polite, bureaucratic conventions native to her country's identity. With the help of Remy Bouchard, a mild-mannered security guard, and Mike Byrne, a low-level mobster, Ruth changes her fate and transforms the future of her community with the theft of millions of dollars' worth of maple syrup."

• 36:27Scaachi Koul?

  Um, I'm gonna watch that.

• 36:29Sarah Hagi?

  I will watch it, and I do like how it's kind of an empowering story here about how maple syrup can change a community. I think that's beautiful.

• 36:38Scaachi Koul?

  Oh, and by the way, despite all the scrutiny this whole affair drummed up, the Federation is still chugging along as usual. Now they have a new name, the Quebec Maple Syrup Producers. In 2022, they even expanded their global strategic reserve again, building a new warehouse for all their extra syrup. And hopefully, they install security cameras this time.

• 37:02Scaachi Koul?

  Sarah, I think the real heroes of this episode are you and I, who had to explain several Canadian references to our producers and slowly went insane in the process.

• 37:11Sarah Hagi?

  You realize how little Americans know about Canada and also care about Canada. But this is a very big deal. This story was a big deal.

• 37:20Scaachi Koul?

  It was a huge deal back home. Like, I thought it was going to change how that entire industry operated. And I feel like the craziest part of the story is it did almost nothing. Like, all they did was get a new warehouse. They didn't change any of the rules around the Federation. They never thought about the fairness of it. They never thought about why people would go out of their way to do this.

• 37:38Sarah Hagi?

  That is kind of the craziest part to me is that the lack of security, but also the attention to detail. It was almost like, we don't need cameras because we know how all these barrels look. And they're pristine. And we'll know if a forklift grabbed it from this way or this way. It's just, it's so quaint, you know? It's like, all this money, this thing that's worth so much, that's such a huge export for a province. And it was this easy for these people to do that.

• 38:07Scaachi Koul?

  Of course, a Canadian scam is like adorable.

• 38:12Sarah Hagi?

  Also, I don't think people realize how much maple syrup is worth. And also, how fickle the industry is. I know people who tap trees to make their own syrup. And it really depends on when that spring hits.

• 38:26Scaachi Koul?

  Do you think most Americans even know that you gotta tap a tree to get that shit out there?

• 38:31Sarah Hagi?

  You gotta milk a tree.

• 38:32Scaachi Koul?

  You gotta milk that tree boob to get the syrup.

• 38:36Sarah Hagi?

  It's something that requires a lot of patience. But again, if they were more sophisticated...

• 38:42Sarah Hagi?

  I think they could have gotten away with it for longer.

• 38:44Scaachi Koul?

  I'd frankly be more on board with it if there hadn't have been so many people who were following the rules and were ultimately punished by the crime. Like, if they were just stealing from, like, from the Federation, I'd be fine with that. That's OK. Go for it.

• 38:58Sarah Hagi?

  I also love that they really did assemble a team of randos and they just trusted one another until the second someone questioned what was happening and they all turned so fast. There was no solidarity here. This was nothing like Ocean's Eleven.

• 39:12Scaachi Koul?

  No honor amongst thieves, Haggy. No honor amongst thieves. We know this.

• 39:17Sarah Hagi?

  You know what? The TV show should be Ocean's Eleven.

• 39:20Scaachi Koul?

  Mm-hmm.

• 39:21Sarah Hagi?

  But with syrup.

• 39:22Scaachi Koul?

  Yep.

• 39:22Sarah Hagi?

  That's what I want the show to be. I want them to correct the mistakes that these people made.

• 39:27Scaachi Koul?

  Well, my hope is that our friends at Amazon are listening to this and are taking our notes seriously.

• 39:34Sarah Hagi?

  Yeah. It doesn't sit right with me that they were so disloyal to one another. That's the biggest crime.

• 39:39Scaachi Koul?

  That's the thing you're upset about?

• 39:40Sarah Hagi?

  Yeah, they should have been friends.

• 39:42Scaachi Koul?

  OK. Well, it's nice that you're ending this in the most Canadian way possible.

• 39:46Sarah Hagi?

  Now, that's just bat-- that's just dishonorable, if you ask me. It's not polite.

• 39:51Scaachi Koul?

  Yeah, one of the biggest issues in this case was the impoliteness.

• 39:58Scaachi Koul?

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• 40:08Scaachi Koul?

  This is The Great Syrup Swindle. I'm Sachi Cole.

• 40:12Sarah Hagi?

  And I'm Sarah Haggy. If you have a tip for us on a story that you think we should cover, please email us at [email protected]. We use many sources in our research. A few that were particularly helpful were Bloomberg's The Great Canadian Maple Syrup Heist by Brandon Borel, Vanity Fair's Inside Quebec's Great Multi-Million Dollar Syrup Heist by Rich Cohen, and the Maple Syrup Heist episode of the Netflix docu-series Dirty Money.

• 40:39Scaachi Koul?

  Gabrielle Jrolay wrote this episode. Additional writing by us, Sachi Cole and Sarah Haggy. Our senior producer is Jen Swan. Our producer is John Reed. Our associate producers are Charlotte Miller and Lexi Peery. Our story editor and producer is Sarah Enni. Eric Thurm is our story editor. Sound design is by Ryan Podesta. Fact checking by Will Tavlin. Additional audio assistance provided by Adrian Tapia. Our music supervisor is Scoff Velazquez for Freeze on Sync. Desi Blaylock is our coordinating producer. Our managing producer is Matt Gant, and our senior managing producer is Ryan Moore. Kate Young and Olivia Richard are our series producers. Our senior story editor is Rachel B. Doyle. Our senior producer is Ginny Bloom. Our executive producers are Janine Cornolo, Stephanie Jens, Jenny Lauer-Beckman, and

• 41:23Scaachi Koul?

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• 42:07Scaachi Koul?

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