The Doula Demon Scam w/ Lex P

It’s been a long time since Laci has truly despised a scammer, but oh baby, today’s scammer, Kaitlyn Braun, takes the cake. CON-gregation, Laci welcomes content queen Lex P (Pour Minds) to the show as they dive into the world of dating scammers and the gross Kaitlyn Braun, the demon terrorizing doulas across multiple countries, getting caught, and shamelessly repeating her schemes. CON-gregation, it’s also time for our first cookout with the doulas and special guest, Kaitlyn Braun, for a much-needed wake-up call. Stay schemin'! CON-gregation, catch Laci's new TV Show Scam Goddess, now on Freeform and Hulu! Follow on Instagram: Scam Goddess Pod: @scamgoddesspod Laci Mosley: @divalaci Lex P: @lex_p_ Research by Kathryn Doyle SOURCES https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kaitlyn-braun-podcast-1.7434673 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/doula-associations-scammers-kaitlyn-braun-1.7195274 https://www.magzter.com/stories/fashion/Cosmopolitan-US/THE-NEVERENDING-PREGNANCY https://app.magellan.ai/listen_links/yPZ95Z

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• 0:03Speaker 00

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• 1:17Laci Mosley?

  What's poppin', congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess, back with another installment of the podcast all about robbery, fraud, and those who practice it. Again, I will remind y'all, this is a comedy podcast for the new members of the congregation and the church. Stand up, neighbor, say welcome. Thank you so much. We appreciate it. Today, y'all know I'm already what? Yes, excited, elated, thrilled for our guest today. This is an amazing guest that we have today, a fellow Texas girlie from Houston. Now, I'm from Dallas, so we gonna have to talk about the beef. But she's currently living it up now in Atlanta. She's the co-host of the trending weekly video podcast called Poor Minds, a show on relationships, music, and navigating life in your 30s.

• 2:02Laci Mosley?

  She's a pop culture girlie and also launched her very own show on YouTube called Love Lex P. Congregation, please welcome the queen and social media darling, Lex P. to the show. What's up, Lex?

• 2:16Speaker 03

  Ooh, wee, that was the intro, girl.

• 2:18Laci Mosley?

  Yes, we like to give girls the flowers.

• 2:20Speaker 03

  I know, that's right. I said, I did all that. Oh.

• 2:23Laci Mosley?

  No, I did all that. I'm really great, wow.

• 2:28Speaker 03

  Yes, thank you so much. I'm so excited to be here. Thank you so much.

• 2:33Laci Mosley?

  We're so excited to have you. I was like, okay, we getting Lex P. Okay, yes.

• 2:37Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 2:37Laci Mosley?

  Reading the girls.

• 2:39Speaker 03

  I have to say, so I discovered your show. I found you on Hulu, cuz you know, your show is on Hulu.

• 2:44Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 2:45Speaker 03

  So, child, I sat there and I binge watched like the entire season on like a Friday night and I just had a ball laughing. It's such an amazing show. I love seeing women in these spaces just succeed and do well, so I'm overly elated to be here.

• 3:01Laci Mosley?

  Thank you so much. I really appreciate it. And thank you for the plug. I didn't even have to do it myself today, y'all. Look at that.

• 3:06Speaker 03

  I got you, girl.

• 3:08Laci Mosley?

  Okay, scam guys on Hulu, stream now. Okay, keep them numbers up. We've been trending, we've been cute, like, keep them numbers up. I appreciate that, yeah. It's, it's, it's, it was a wild ride going to all those different cities, especially starting in a like low-key sun downtown.

• 3:22Speaker 03

  I know. I didn't wanna say, I'm glad you said it. I said she put on them cowboy boots and tried to blend right on in, honey. Baby, I was scared for you.

• 3:34Laci Mosley?

  I'm from Frisco, Texas, so I, I, I've been around the, the less melanated my whole life, so I was like, let me just.

• 3:40Speaker 03

  So, that's what was funny about your intro because I lived in Houston for 10 years, but I'm actually from Orange, Texas.

• 3:46Laci Mosley?

  Oh, okay.

• 3:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, so I'm from the Golden Triangle, so very small, giving sun downtown as well, so you fit right, you did a good job. You didn't make any sudden movements.

• 3:57Laci Mosley?

  Cuz you know it's the moments where it got a little tense in that part. I was like, uh-oh. They about to, they about to start, they about to get to tar and feather in my ass. I got to get up out of here. I was a little worried. I was like, I can't be nosing around too much. And then when that one black man came in, Norman, I was like, Norman.

• 4:15Speaker 03

  Thank you. I was like, Norman to save the day.

• 4:18Laci Mosley?

  He was the one and only black man I saw in Texas. Like no lie, if you weren't on my team and with my crew.

• 4:27Speaker 03

  Oh my goodness, yes, but you did an amazing job.

• 4:30Laci Mosley?

  Oh, thank you.

• 4:32Speaker 03

  You did your investigative work. I was impressed. It's such a, it's such a good show.

• 4:36Laci Mosley?

  I appreciate that.

• 4:37Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 4:38Laci Mosley?

  And Lex, I have to know, so what is your relationship with scams? Because you live in Atlanta now, and I know that, you know, Georgia has the highest GDP for scams in the US.

• 4:49Speaker 03

  Really?

• 4:49Laci Mosley?

  So, yes. So you're living in the mecca.

• 4:53Speaker 03

  Yes. You know, it's crazy because when I first moved to Atlanta in 2017, I was a very, I wasn't green, but I was still kinda like not aware of how Atlanta gets down. Because it's a lot different from Houston. I feel like in Houston, we have a lot of like oil and gas guys, um, doctors, a lot of athletes. In Atlanta, they got the scammers, baby.

• 5:20Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 5:20Speaker 03

  They are here. The scammers are here. So I learned very quickly not to, when you swipe your card at the gas station,

• 5:28Laci Mosley?

  You should, you better pull on that joint.

• 5:30Speaker 03

  You really need to go inside.

• 5:31Laci Mosley?

  Mm-hmm.

• 5:32Speaker 03

  Don't, don't swipe it at the gas station. Go inside, grab your little hot cheeto, grab you a little Celsius, and just pay for your gas on the inside. Because they have these machines that they will literally hook up to the gas station and swipe all your card information. So I've had a few run-ins with like my card information getting stolen.

• 5:52Laci Mosley?

  Same, from a gas station.

• 5:54Speaker 03

  Well, it, it got stolen from one of these, um, scammers that were like texting me. So what I think it was, is like, you know how like you sign up for like to go to a club or something? And then like they keep texting you information? Well, I think something had got my number, so it texted me like it was Verizon.

• 6:15Laci Mosley?

  No.

• 6:16Speaker 03

  So I'm thinking I'm like paying-

• 6:17Laci Mosley?

  Not the club promoter being like free before 11 in one thread and in the other thread. He was like, this is Verizon.

• 6:23Speaker 03

  Girl, so I'm thinking I'm like paying my phone bill, my phone about to get turned off or something like that. And then it's like I checked my account and it had charged it for like a thousand something dollars. Mine's trying to have a thousand dollars.

• 6:34Laci Mosley?

  Oh no.

• 6:35Speaker 03

  At the time. So I'm like, y'all made me go into like negative 999 dollars.

• 6:40Laci Mosley?

  Now I have one dollar.

• 6:43Speaker 03

  So, I have been scammed before, but I've also dated a little scammer. So I've had, you know, a good time with it too.

• 6:50Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 6:50Speaker 03

  You know what I mean?

• 6:51Laci Mosley?

  And you know what? You can tell when you're dating a scammer. My homegirl was dating a scammer and I remember we were at the SLS Hotel in, um, Los Angeles. And the scammers love that hotel in Los Angeles. And we're there, I went to the hotel room that he had had and I started looking around and it was just like way too much random designer stuff that like really wasn't out yet and like just like he used to be a basketball player overseas, you know, they don't make that much money overseas. Um, the men.

• 7:22Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 7:23Laci Mosley?

  Then now he, like, when he described his job, it was very, um, it was like, I, I, I felt like someone was reciting a poem to me.

• 7:32Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 7:33Laci Mosley?

  Like it was very metaphorical, the job. Like it was like, it was, you know, very much about like.

• 7:40Speaker 03

  A lot of fluff.

• 7:41Laci Mosley?

  Analogies. Yeah, yeah. It was like, you know, I manage like the comings and goings and here too far with. Um, and I, I'm basically on the operational side of the growth and the management of, you know, and, and overseeing the projects. Yeah, that's what I do.

• 8:02Speaker 03

  To oversee a project, baby.

• 8:04Laci Mosley?

  And I was like, we were cool enough that I was like, yo, are you a scammer? And he was like, yeah.

• 8:11Speaker 03

  Basically.

• 8:12Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, he was like. And I was like, oh, I do a podcast, but he was like, oh, I could teach you a lot of things. I could tell you lots. I was like, oh, okay.

• 8:18Speaker 03

  Oh my god, that is hilarious.

• 8:20Laci Mosley?

  So did you know, like, at the time when you started dating that they were scammer, did you just like kind of figure it out?

• 8:26Speaker 03

  So, how it happened was really crazy because one thing that I learned, because I used to work in the strip club.

• 8:32Laci Mosley?

  Okay, yeah.

• 8:32Speaker 03

  So I done been a lot around, I've been a lot around a lot of them.

• 8:35Laci Mosley?

  Butter for scammers, like that's what I'm saying.

• 8:38Speaker 03

  And when I first started working at the club, I worked around a lot of street pharmacists, as I like to call them. You know what I'm saying? So I've always kind of been around people who did not the most legal things. So when I. I, at a young age, working in the club, I learned to not really ask what a guy does for a living. If he's not open with it, because I feel like if you're a career oriented person, that's really the first thing you talk about when you're getting to know somebody. So if a guy don't bring that up, I really don't ask. And if he don't bring it up, most likely he does something that you don't need to know.

• 9:11Laci Mosley?

  Lex, you don't want to be an accessory?

• 9:14Speaker 03

  I don't know nothing.

• 9:17Speaker 03

  I just let, met little man man yesterday.

• 9:20Laci Mosley?

  Okay, and yes, man man took me to Gucci, and yes, he pays for everything in cash, but I don't ask.

• 9:27Speaker 03

  I don't ask. So in my situation, what had happened was, I remember we were going on a trip, so, like, he invited me to go on a trip. So, I'm like, okay, of course I want to go on a trip. And he was just like tripping about the flights, like, I was like, it doesn't matter, just get us a flight. Like, I want to leave on Thursday, let's say. He was like, well, what if we leave on Wednesday night with this red eye or this and that? He just kept making a big deal about the flights for some reason. And I just remember it just taking us a long time to book the flights. So eventually, we booked the flights, we went on a trip, had an amazing time, everything went smooth. So, like, maybe a few weeks later, and around this time, like, we had started kind of falling off, it didn't really work out.

• 10:11Speaker 03

  And I have, like, my Facebook and my social media that I use, like, for my job. And then I have, like, my private Facebook that's like from high school and family and all this stuff.

• 10:23Laci Mosley?

  Exactly same.

• 10:23Speaker 03

  So, I'm just on there checking my messages, thinking I'm finna say, the hey, little Sydney from third grade. And I get this message from this guy, and he's like, excuse me, and he says my full name. He said, how did you get my information to use my miles to go on a trip? He said you and X Y Z, he said the guy's name, his full name. And mind you, he was Nigerian, that's a long name now, baby.

• 10:52Laci Mosley?

  Now he got all the N's and the,

• 10:57Speaker 03

  I was horrified. He said, you, y'all, because I guess basically, whenever he got the flights, he broke into somebody's account, used their miles to get our flights.

• 11:07Laci Mosley?

  So that's why he was probably like, okay, can we take this red eye? Or whatever, because he's trying to use the right amount of miles.

• 11:17Laci Mosley?

  He's like, I don't have a certain amount, so we have to.

• 11:20Speaker 03

  I said, look now, I did what I had to do to pay for my portion of the trip. Now, you gotta get your miles back on your own, John.

• 11:28Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, that's not, that's not my problem. Also, like, booking a flight on somebody else's miles, like, flight booking, credit card theft is very, that's very tumultuous because you have to give so much information when you book a flight.

• 11:41Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 11:41Laci Mosley?

  You can't just be like, it's not like a random swipe purchase, where you can go to a Gucci store and you don't have to say your name, or you can go wherever, don't have to say your name. A flight, you have to give your, like, a flight asking you for your retina, your booty hole, like, everything. So scamming for flights is a little rocky for me. I'm glad you got rid of him, because he's not as smart a scammer.

• 11:59Speaker 03

  But you know, I was a bird. I said, oh, he went through all that for me? He's so romantic.

• 12:05Laci Mosley?

  Oh, my God, he got miles for us. They, they weren't his miles, but he had miles. He broke into somebody's, delta points.

• 12:15Speaker 03

  This is real love.

• 12:16Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 12:19Laci Mosley?

  When y'all got called up as platinum honor, you were like, platinum honor? We gold medallions.

• 12:25Speaker 03

  And I'm not gonna lie, we was in first class too, girl. He had the nerve.

• 12:30Laci Mosley?

  We gold medallion, ruby, status? Yeah, okay, I, I'm not mad at it at all. And also, that's why John was mad, because he's like, not only did y'all steal my points, y'all stole a lot of my points.

• 12:44Speaker 03

  A lot, a lot.

• 12:45Laci Mosley?

  Because did y'all go, did y'all leave the country?

• 12:46Speaker 03

  Yes, we went to Mexico.

• 12:48Laci Mosley?

  Okay, so y'all left the country and y'all went first class?

• 12:51Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 12:51Laci Mosley?

  Hmm, that's a lot of points.

• 12:53Speaker 03

  I mean, they had the champagne waiting and everything, Chad.

• 12:55Laci Mosley?

  Oh, no, that's probably like 200,000 miles.

• 12:58Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, we ran, we, he ran it up, ran it up on them. I did feel bad, though.

• 13:03Laci Mosley?

  And you know John was saving those miles for something. He was saving them.

• 13:06Speaker 03

  He was. So I don't know how they, I don't know what happens when that, when like you get your miles stolen.

• 13:12Laci Mosley?

  I mean, I think that Delta would just like, or whatever airline, depending on what it is, they usually will, if you file a claim or this, that and the third, like, we'll give them back to you. Now, I might be wrong about that because these days, who knows what's going on with the airplanes because it's getting, it's getting a little, like, I don't want to make too light of it because people have died.

• 13:33Speaker 03

  Right.

• 13:34Laci Mosley?

  And, and, but you know, now, everybody's getting on the flight and they're paying attention. Like, we used to like, watch Virgin American, do they, they want to, Virgin American, oh, all the passion you, you know, they do their dance and be like, fly your way with me.

• 13:51Laci Mosley?

  And they was like, put on your seatbelt, pull your air mask, like, and you be like, okay, this is cute, this is cute, but I'm not paying attention. Now, when they do that, that safety instruction.

• 14:00Speaker 03

  You better take notes.

• 14:01Laci Mosley?

  I'm pulling out the, the little safety instruction card, I'm reading the whole thing from top to bottom. I'm quizzing my neighbor and I'm like, run quiz me.

• 14:10Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 14:11Laci Mosley?

  How did they say you get the flotation device?

• 14:15Speaker 03

  But, let me ask you this, though, do you think that more plane crashes are happening, or do you think the media is just reporting on them more?

• 14:24Laci Mosley?

  Well, the plane crash that was deadly in DC, that was the largest amount of casualties in a plane crash that had happened in the past like two decades.

• 14:34Speaker 03

  Oh, my god.

• 14:35Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, and then, and then it's, it's weirdly coincidental that, you know, Trump had gutted TSA. TSA, but also like, the FAA, um, eight days before this happened. And also, the plane that flipped in Toronto was a Delta flight, and everyone's like, but it was in Toronto. And I'm like, y'all got rocks for brains, bro, it's a Delta flight, do you think that Ameri-, like, that the hub is in Georgia? Do you think that American planes don't leave the country? Otherwise, how would you get on an American company plane and go anywhere? Y'all dumb. Like, media literacy is gone, the girls don't read anymore, they see a thick headline and a photo and they just believe it's fact.

• 15:16Laci Mosley?

  I can't believe it, I learned when I was 10 years old, in fifth grade, about false facts, about facts, about sources. About how to check information, how to know if it's a reliable source. I don't, I'll read something on Twitter and I'll be like, oh, that's interesting. And then I'll go on Google and I'll look it up and see if I can find any legitimate news sources. Because news sources that are legit actually will get sued if they don't adjudicate the information that they are providing to the public. It's like legally responsible.

• 15:45Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 15:46Laci Mosley?

  But they don't care no more. They like, I get my news from YouTube.

• 15:49Speaker 03

  Right. They love a good clickbait. They don't care. They get their news from anything.

• 15:54Laci Mosley?

  The girls aren't reading any, they, I'm like, open the schools, but at the same time, it's like, they ain't teaching nothing in there no more.

• 16:01Speaker 03

  They ain't a teacher.

• 16:02Laci Mosley?

  Like, what are y'all doing in there? TikTok dances?

• 16:05Speaker 03

  Yes, that's exactly what they're doing.

• 16:07Laci Mosley?

  I used to be thinking those TikTok dances at school and the videos. I used to think they were cute. Now I'm like, y'all need to be doing reading, writing, and arithmetic. Get your words back in the classroom.

• 16:17Speaker 03

  I'm at auntie age now, so I'm like, if you know that song, you need to know your ABCs.

• 16:22Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 16:23Speaker 03

  I'm, I'm definitely, that is definitely me. I don't get it. I don't understand it, but I just try to tell the people to read. People hate reading, because you know what it is? They'll click on something and once they see it's more than one paragraph, they just become uninterested.

• 16:38Laci Mosley?

  They're like that, that one meme that's like, I ain't reading all that.

• 16:40Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 16:41Laci Mosley?

  Happy for you or sorry that happened.

• 16:44Speaker 03

  Oh, my God. It'll, it'll be something like, if you read this, I will give you a million dollars. They still won't read it.

• 16:49Laci Mosley?

  No. It, it shocks me how little people know, but they'll still make conjecture and have opinions. There'll be stuff that I actually know about entertainment or like how things work or whatever. And I'll see a bunch of dumbasses under a thread like, well, maybe this happened and that's why this didn't come out. And I'm like, you don't know what you're talking about, so why talk?

• 17:10Speaker 03

  I have learned to extremely unplug from a lot of comments and things like that's under our posts and stuff like that. Because you have to realize, we are in our position and doing our job and reporting the things we're supposed to report. So you have to let them people do what they do because that's their moment to shine if like Lacey responds or, you know what I mean? So I kind of just have learned to let them congregate on their own, child.

• 17:36Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, congregation. Now I do like to talk to the congregation every now and then, but yeah, it's, I don't, I don't research many reviews. Because I just like, I'm like, I put the art out there, then it's not mine anymore. So, yeah, do with it what you will.

• 17:56Speaker 00

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• 18:23Speaker 01

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• 18:54Laci Mosley?

  That takes us into my favorite segment here. Lex, this is historic hoodwink. This is where I regale Lex with a famous con, caper, group of criminals, single actor. We'll see. We'll see if we like him or if we hate him. I don't know yet. I do want to give a content warning up here, and we will also give this content warning in our footnotes. Details of this story do include SA. If you don't know what that is, if you're not on TikTok, which means sexual assault and pregnancy loss. But we'll put a content warning in there. Y'all know I will gloss over anything that's unsavory because we don't want you to listen to this and be sad. And then I want to say this story is about a woman who's faking being pregnant to scam doulas.

• 19:39Laci Mosley?

  Yes. And I will give a credit note here also because we do not scam our journalists. Most of the reporting on this story was done by Sarah Trelevan for CBC News and BBC World News Service, primarily for the podcast, The Con: Kaitlyn's Baby. So.

• 20:00Laci Mosley?

  We're gonna learn about Kaitlyn and her baby. Her maybe baby?

• 20:03Speaker 03

  Maybe baby.

• 20:04Laci Mosley?

  Maybe baby. So, a 26-year-old Canadian woman named Kaitlyn Braun tricked more than 50 doulas in her country and around the world into helping her for free through labor and delivery of a baby without ever actually being pregnant.

• 20:26Laci Mosley?

  Now, I don't know why you would want to do this.

• 20:28Speaker 03

  And I'm like, what, what, did she get, how do you get money out of this?

• 20:32Laci Mosley?

  Like, what do you get out of this?

• 20:33Speaker 03

  Is this just for fun? A hobby?

• 20:38Laci Mosley?

  What do you do for fun? Oh, I, I make pottery. Oh, what do you do? Oh, you know, I'm really into knitting. Oh, what do you do? I trick doulas.

• 20:45Speaker 03

  How do you trick a doula? Because don't you have to pay the doula? Like, I would think the scam would be acting like a doula.

• 20:51Laci Mosley?

  Right, or, or teaching doulas but not knowing how to doula.

• 20:54Speaker 03

  Right.

• 20:58Speaker 03

  I don't, I'm not really understanding her angle here.

• 21:01Laci Mosley?

  I don't either, let's see. So, what doulas do? If you don't know what a doula is. Doulas are birth workers, but they don't offer medical services. They give emotional and educational support to mothers-to-be. Sometimes they provide physical touch, like massages to help women in labor ease anxiety and pain. Unlike doctors or midwives who can provide medical intervention, doulas are there to comfort and advocate for their clients throughout the birth process. They're kind of like a hired best friend whose entire job is to believe women, to address their pain instead of dismissing it, to hear them, to help them, and to support their choices no matter what. And I will say, you know, as a black woman, like, black women's mortality rate in pregnancy is sky-high.

• 21:44Speaker 03

  Very high, yeah.

• 21:44Laci Mosley?

  And so, if you can't afford a doula, like, or someone to advocate for you, like, get you a white lady in there and, and have that white lady yell at the nurses. When you're in pain, or you're like, oh, something feels wrong, and she'll be like, "Something feels wrong."

• 22:01Speaker 03

  They hear that.

• 22:02Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, they hear that.

• 22:03Speaker 03

  That certain tone, you have that tone down, they hear that tone.

• 22:07Laci Mosley?

  Because when I say it, they're gonna be like, "Oh, that Negro just wants more drugs." She's a fiend.

• 22:14Laci Mosley?

  She's a college educated cracker.

• 22:18Speaker 03

  She trying to get high.

• 22:20Laci Mosley?

  She trying to get high while on the baby supply. No, but you get that white woman, she's like, let me see the hospital manager.

• 22:28Speaker 03

  She needs help. When they hear that, they know it's time.

• 22:31Laci Mosley?

  Who's the chief of surgery? Get him down here now. Okay, they will hear you. So duelists can attend a birth in person or virtually. During COVID lockdowns, it became standard for duelists on social media to offer their phone numbers for free emergency contact. It was the perfect opening for someone with a very specific, very bizarre scam in mind. So honestly, I don't want to be on Zoom while I'm giving birth.

• 23:03Speaker 03

  How are you an online doula? This is how I know AI is getting out of control. Because why are you delivering a baby via Zoom?

• 23:12Laci Mosley?

  I'm over here like.

• 23:15Laci Mosley?

  And she's like, you're muted, you're muted.

• 23:18Speaker 03

  My mic not working.

• 23:24Speaker 03

  Wifi bad. You frozen like this.

• 23:30Laci Mosley?

  Not you frozen, the baby crowning.

• 23:36Laci Mosley?

  Mid contraction, she can't even count the seconds no more because you froze. So we froze, I don't know, I think it was like 15 seconds, so we probably had like a minute.

• 23:44Speaker 03

  Yes, oh my goodness, I have never heard of that, never.

• 23:48Laci Mosley?

  No ma'am, everything can be online now, y'all.

• 23:51Speaker 03

  Everything cannot be online, like.

• 23:53Laci Mosley?

  It's like an online massage, like what? No, yeah, now so take your hand and put it, yeah, right there on your shoulder.

• 24:01Speaker 03

  That's the sense of that purpose.

• 24:04Laci Mosley?

  Now press right there. Oh yeah, I can tell you tense. Tell over the computer.

• 24:10Speaker 03

  I can tell the way your neck was moving.

• 24:12Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, yeah, I can tell the way your neck was moving. It's a knot right there, ain't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, we gonna work it out.

• 24:17Speaker 03

  Oh, my goodness.

• 24:20Laci Mosley?

  No, ma'am. So, the first reported cases of the scam happened in 2022. The doulas involved usually use pseudonyms in news stories about them, so we will too. In August, dolo number one, Samantha, was excited to help her first client, Kaitlyn. Kaitlyn's a scammer, remember? So, Kaitlyn, a 32 weeks pregnant woman in Brantford, Ontario, Canada, who reached out online. Samantha goes to Kaitlyn's home, assisting her through labor. When she arrived, like, so she goes to her home to assist her through the labor, right? When she arrived, she saw that Kaitlyn was plus-sized and had a car seat in the living room and a baby sleeper seat in her bedroom.

• 25:05Laci Mosley?

  She had baby clothes and a breast pump. Nothing suspicious yet. So, first of all, I'm mad Josh trying to say that because she was plus-sized, like, well, she looked pregnant. I couldn't tell.

• 25:16Speaker 03

  Nah, cuz I was about to say, why they had to add that in there?

• 25:19Laci Mosley?

  But I think they had to add that in there because if you aren't plus-sized and you say you're 32 weeks along, you will be able to tell physically that you aren't. But if you are plus-sized, it could, it could possibly be a baby, and I can't tell you there's not.

• 25:35Speaker 03

  I just feel like a pregnant belly and a fat belly just look totally different, though.

• 25:39Laci Mosley?

  They do.

• 25:40Speaker 03

  You know what I'm saying?

• 25:41Laci Mosley?

  But you know what? People make a lot of assumptions about plus-sized people in the medical field that are extremely negative and harmful. Even healthy plus-sized people. So, this might have been one of those people who made that assumption, you know, that like, oh, well, you know, she is plus-sized, so maybe the baby up in there in the corner or something.

• 26:02Speaker 03

  It's probably in the corner somewhere.

• 26:04Laci Mosley?

  It's probably in the corner, like, so it's, you know. Don't even worry, I ain't even worried about that. She got a breast pump, she got a, you know, she got a car seat.

• 26:11Speaker 03

  She seen a car seat, oh, she's pregnant for sure.

• 26:14Laci Mosley?

  For sure.

• 26:14Speaker 03

  I saw the car seat.

• 26:16Laci Mosley?

  She had a breast pump and a car seat, and she had baby clothes, definitely pregnant. The baby just in the corner chilling, that's all, that's all.

• 26:24Speaker 03

  Oh, my goodness.

• 26:26Laci Mosley?

  So, a few hours after Samantha arrived, Kaitlyn said her water had broken, but they stayed in her apartment

• 26:34Laci Mosley?

  with Samantha coaching her through contractions for the next two days.

• 26:39Speaker 03

  Girl, I know you lying.

• 26:42Laci Mosley?

  Kaitlyn, what is?

• 26:44Speaker 03

  Now, Samantha and Kaitlyn playing. Cause after two days, you should have known something as a professional doula.

• 26:55Laci Mosley?

  Now, listen, she doesn't have to do medical stuff. She's there for vibes and support and massages and advocacy.

• 27:02Speaker 03

  But I feel like, don't they be rubbing on the belly a little bit and helping out and?

• 27:09Laci Mosley?

  I'm telling you.

• 27:10Speaker 03

  Cause if she would have rubbed that belly, she would have felt nothing but a waffle.

• 27:16Laci Mosley?

  She wasn't gonna feel nothing, kick, nothing, nothing.

• 27:22Speaker 03

  Okay, okay.

• 27:23Laci Mosley?

  Samantha, you might need to give up doing it.

• 27:25Speaker 03

  That's what I'm saying. Sometimes, I'm, I hate to say this, but sometimes people deserve to get scammed, cause did you even try?

• 27:32Laci Mosley?

  It's giving don'tla, it's not giving doula. I don't, I don't know, sis. Right now, I'm judging, and I don't like to judge people or victims, but I'm a... Also, two days of being in fake labor? What was Kaitlyn doing? She's like, huh, huh, huh. And then, like, you gotta remember for forty-eight hours that you in labor, like, oh, shit.

• 27:55Speaker 03

  How do you, like, exactly? No, that's why I said, something ain't right. Two days of acting like you're in labor?

• 28:03Laci Mosley?

  No, we're, yeah, we're, we're a few, uh...

• 28:09Laci Mosley?

  What is that black saying when you short of something?

• 28:13Speaker 03

  Oh, what they say, a few french fries short of a Happy Meal?

• 28:16Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, we are. Caitlin, so Samantha insisted they get to a hospital even though Caitlin really, really did not want to go. Doulas aren't supposed to drive their clients, but it was the only option Samantha had since Caitlin couldn't afford an Uber or taxi. And this was Samantha's first time acting as a doula after all. Okay, so this was Samantha's first time as a doula. So she took all her training. So, okay, it was, okay, I'm gonna give her, I'm gonna cut her some slack. It was her first time.

• 28:48Speaker 03

  Okay, alright, we gonna cut a little bit of slack.

• 28:51Laci Mosley?

  Okay, cuz before it is, she was just dealing with fake bellies and, and you know, she was getting her online certification. Probably during COVID, she was like, you know what, I'm gonna become a doula.

• 29:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, you right.

• 29:02Laci Mosley?

  And so she got online.

• 29:03Speaker 03

  A lot of people were bored.

• 29:04Laci Mosley?

  She got on Phoenix University and she became a doula. So, once they got in the car, Caitlin flipped out, screaming, sobbing, begging me to leave her and forget she existed. She was so emotional, Samantha had to pull over. So that was Samantha, that was Samantha saying, she was begging me, like, to leave and forget about all of this. Once they parked at the hospital, Caitlin wouldn't get out of the car. They ended up going back to Caitlin's apartment, Samantha went home, and Caitlin contacted her three days later to take her to the hospital again since her contractions had returned.

• 29:42Speaker 03

  Returned?

• 29:43Laci Mosley?

  So what she trying to say was back to Higgs?

• 29:45Speaker 03

  That, that could have been.

• 29:48Speaker 03

  But if you, she said she was in like, girl, okay.

• 29:51Laci Mosley?

  She said her water broke. When your water be breaking, like...

• 29:55Speaker 03

  When your water break, that baby coming.

• 29:57Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, that's usually, like, that's usually a sign that she's supposed to be somewhere.

• 30:01Speaker 03

  Wait, wait, wait, was some, um, cuz Samantha is the doula, right?

• 30:05Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 30:05Speaker 03

  Was Samantha there when her water broke?

• 30:08Laci Mosley?

  Yes. Now, she might have went to the bathroom and said, like, you know, poured a little water out. She probably went into the kitchen and, like, poured a little Dasani on the floor.

• 30:18Speaker 03

  Feel the love, yep, on the ground a little bit, yep.

• 30:19Laci Mosley?

  Cuz if I'm wasting water, it's Dasani. And was like, oh no!

• 30:25Speaker 03

  Don't step right there.

• 30:27Laci Mosley?

  Oh, that's my, no, that's my birth water.

• 30:31Laci Mosley?

  What is this lady up to?

• 30:34Speaker 03

  Oh, my goodness.

• 30:35Laci Mosley?

  This time, they did actually make it into the hospital and saw a doctor who performed an ultrasound. Samantha thought this was a great step and she could finally hand Kaitlyn off to actual medical providers. Now, the doula is supposed to be there throughout the birth process, but I think Samantha was fed up with Kaitlyn's ass. She was like, "I'm just gonna give you to the hospital."

• 30:54Speaker 03

  Right.

• 30:56Laci Mosley?

  And so, they do the ultrasound, right? But the doctor stopped mid ultrasound and announced that there was no baby in Kaitlyn's uterus. All that was in there.

• 31:08Speaker 03

  Was that whopper?

• 31:09Laci Mosley?

  Was an IUD.

• 31:12Laci Mosley?

  No, not a whopper.

• 31:14Speaker 03

  My bad, my bad, my bad.

• 31:15Laci Mosley?

  Can't have it your way. Come. All that was in there was an IUD. So she had an IUD, and if you don't know what an IUD is, that is like a form of birth control. It looks like a little T, and you put, they put it in your cooch, and then it's got like stuff in it that makes the, the, the baby not happen.

• 31:36Laci Mosley?

  That was so scientific. Y'all liked it, right?

• 31:38Speaker 03

  That was a good explanation.

• 31:40Laci Mosley?

  I'm Bill Nye now?

• 31:42Laci Mosley?

  Bill Nye, that's science, Cam.

• 31:45Laci Mosley?

  So, not only is she not pregnant, she has active birth control. In her body.

• 31:50Speaker 03

  Do you know how much you have to just not care to go ahead and be like, "Oh, come back and bring me to the hospital," and then to go along with the ultrasound?

• 31:59Laci Mosley?

  Like, why would you even go along? You know it ain't no baby in there.

• 32:05Speaker 03

  I can't.

• 32:05Laci Mosley?

  You know for a fact.

• 32:08Speaker 03

  There's nothing in there.

• 32:09Laci Mosley?

  No baby is in residence.

• 32:12Laci Mosley?

  This is a vacant uterus.

• 32:15Speaker 03

  Very extreme. Not only is it vacant, but there's an IUD in there.

• 32:19Laci Mosley?

  Literally, we're not even accepting applications.

• 32:23Laci Mosley?

  For pregnancy. What is going on?

• 32:25Speaker 03

  Oh, my goodness.

• 32:26Laci Mosley?

  So Samantha drove Kaitlyn home, which I wouldn't have done. I'm sorry. Kaitlyn, I'm leaving you at the hospital. Like, something's going on. See how far that wheelchair that they make you leave in will take you, but I'm not driving you home.

• 32:42Speaker 03

  Agreed.

• 32:43Laci Mosley?

  No. So Samantha drove Kaitlyn home. Unsure if this had just been a weird lie the whole time or if it had been a hysterical pregnancy. And Kaitlyn really believed she had been pregnant and in labor because those do happen. And so, you know what? Samantha, kudos to you for being a kind soul and being like, you know what? Maybe it was hysterical pregnancy. I'm just gonna get this lady home. Me personally, when she... I've been in your house for two days, hooing and hawing and massaging you.

• 33:11Speaker 03

  No.

• 33:12Laci Mosley?

  And not only do you not have a baby, but you have a baby blocker? No.

• 33:17Speaker 03

  The nerve.

• 33:18Laci Mosley?

  No, the unmitigated gall.

• 33:19Speaker 03

  That's why I said I can't even believe the hysterical pregnancy part because you know that you can't get pregnant.

• 33:26Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, that's the part that I'm like, hmm. But I'm not a scientist, though.

• 33:30Speaker 03

  Because also, if she has the IUD in, and even if she thought she was pregnant, then she would have went to the doctor. Hey, I have an IUD in and I think I'm pregnant. What's going on?

• 33:40Laci Mosley?

  Right. But I mean, we're talking about people with sense. So Kaitlyn clearly don't got no sense.

• 33:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, she ain't got it up there.

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• 34:54Laci Mosley?

  So, two months later, Rachel and Nora, duelists number two and three, are dueler friends who have agreed to team up on the phone to support Kaitlyn. Kaitlyn, a queer sexual assault survivor who had been shunned by her family. So now she's adding things to her repertoire. This time, she's doing it via phone, not at her home. She's supposedly in the hospital with intensifying contractions, about to experience a 32-week stillbirth. Rachel was on the phone with her all day Saturday. Everything sounded super real. She could hear car sounds as Kaitlyn rode to the hospital. She could hear a heartbeat monitor once she was there.

• 35:39Laci Mosley?

  Nora could hear Kaitlyn throwing up over the phone. Kaitlyn told them she touched the baby's head as it was coming out and said, "It's the most beautiful thing I've ever done."

• 35:50Speaker 03

  Okay. I've had enough.

• 35:53Laci Mosley?

  Shortly after the stillbirth, Kaitlyn told them her placenta was not coming out. She said she needed a hysterectomy when the bleeding wouldn't stop. Over the phone, Rachel and Nora helped her process losing her uterus to this assaulter's dead baby just days before her 24th birthday.

• 36:17Laci Mosley?

  So now she didn't say it was also about to be her birthday. And I, I wanna know how she was doing these car sounds. Did she, did she have like YouTube?

• 36:25Speaker 03

  That's what I'm saying, you know YouTube got it in the background.

• 36:27Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, that's like an ambient thing, like ambient cars riding sounds. And you can definitely pull up a heart monitor on YouTube.

• 36:35Speaker 03

  I mean, she ain't got nothing, like, this is sounds like a Tyler Perry movie, baby. Cause the birthday, the assault, like, she done went deep in her Tyler Perry bag with this one.

• 36:46Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, she's clearly watched a few of his movies and was like, ah, hold my beer, Tyler.

• 36:55Laci Mosley?

  I'll do you one better.

• 36:57Speaker 03

  My goodness.

• 36:58Laci Mosley?

  So over the coming days, Kaitlyn had told that, you know what this made me think of?

• 37:05Laci Mosley?

  That scene in that Tyler Perry movie. I think it's a family reunion where she was like, and she put makeup on me.

• 37:19Laci Mosley?

  She put me in the tub. Her eyes were like wandering around. I know this since thought she was acting down, but it was so.

• 37:26Speaker 03

  Oh, you know. You know that she thought, oh, this is my Oscar moment. Sweetheart, I'mma hold your hand when I say this.

• 37:37Laci Mosley?

  Lynn Whitfield, who I love so much, come at me and like, my mother was a jock.

• 37:42Speaker 03

  Mother was a whore.

• 37:45Laci Mosley?

  She sold me for ten dollars and a fix.

• 37:50Speaker 03

  Oh, we got, you gotta love Lynn Whitfield.

• 37:54Speaker 03

  She plays that evil mother role down.

• 37:56Laci Mosley?

  Listen, nobody's gonna be an eviler mother than Lynn Whitfield, okay? She's so good at it and just so like, cut, like, like makeup, hair, face, like, beautiful evil. Love it.

• 38:08Speaker 03

  Good.

• 38:09Laci Mosley?

  Um, if you know, you know, shout out to them. But so, over the coming days, Kaitlyn told these two, Doula 2 and 3, that she was being transferred to a second hospital, then a third. So she playing them car sounds on YouTube a lot. Where she received two devastating diagnoses. A clotting disorder and late-stage pelvic cancer.

• 38:32Speaker 03

  Oh, Lord, she didn't add the chemo in there.

• 38:35Laci Mosley?

  Now she got cancer. And I'm just like, these are, what are you doing? She said her organs were failing and she might live a year with treatment and three months without. Nora cried on the phone with Kaitlyn as she decided to stop care. So she, so Kaitlyn also decided within these phone calls that she was not going to go to chemo. This is just happening so fast.

• 39:00Speaker 03

  This is a lot.

• 39:01Laci Mosley?

  And I feel bad for these duelists, like they crying on the phone, like they're having an emotional roller coaster with this woman who's like over here on her Beats machine, like just playing, like.

• 39:12Speaker 03

  Like she in the studio.

• 39:13Laci Mosley?

  Like she's in the studio.

• 39:15Speaker 03

  Heartbeat monitor.

• 39:16Laci Mosley?

  Heartbeat monitor.

• 39:19Laci Mosley?

  Ambulance.

• 39:24Laci Mosley?

  Heartbeat monitor. Like, what is happening?

• 39:26Speaker 03

  Oh, my God.

• 39:31Laci Mosley?

  So Rachel helped her write a will.

• 39:36Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 39:36Laci Mosley?

  These duelists cared and were invested in helping Kaitlyn. Almost a week into this ordeal, Rachel's girlfriend at the time finally pointed out that there was no tangible proof that any of this was happening.

• 39:49Speaker 03

  Somebody with some sense.

• 39:50Laci Mosley?

  Cause they on the phone. So Rachel and Nora reverse image searched some of the pictures Kaitlyn had sent them, including pieces of a tumor and a picture of a stillborn baby. That's horrible. And found that they were the first Google image research, like, results for the term tumor and stillborn.

• 40:11Speaker 03

  Now, Kaitlyn, you could have scrolled a little bit.

• 40:13Laci Mosley?

  You could have gone to like the 6th O.

• 40:15Speaker 03

  Okay, you gotta go to the sixth page, make somebody's, the first one.

• 40:20Laci Mosley?

  Work for it at least. You went to the first one, Kaitlyn. The hospital where Kaitlyn claimed to be receiving end-of-life care had no record of her ever being admitted. And she was getting, like, she went from hospital to hospice so fast.

• 40:39Speaker 03

  Child.

• 40:40Laci Mosley?

  So fast.

• 40:43Laci Mosley?

  She on the phone like, "I see, I see my dead grandmother, the angels."

• 40:47Speaker 03

  And my dude, she's driving herself to all these places. In the meantime.

• 40:57Laci Mosley?

  She in the Uber, I don't know what's going on. So Rachel called the Brantford Police and asked them to send a crisis team to Kaitlyn's address. The police called back a couple of hours later and said, "Yep, we found her in her living room at home. She's fine."

• 41:12Speaker 03

  Oh my god.

• 41:15Laci Mosley?

  Now, this alerts me to the race of Kaitlyn because we do not call wellness checks on black people because if you, like, the police will go to our homes and be like, "They were fine, they not now."

• 41:26Speaker 03

  Right.

• 41:27Laci Mosley?

  Like, no, we don't do that. So, here we have an image, yep.

• 41:33Speaker 03

  I knew it!

• 41:34Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 41:35Speaker 03

  She look at, she look crazy!

• 41:38Laci Mosley?

  It's her eyebrows that's really giving like, some, and her eyes, it's in her eyes too.

• 41:43Speaker 03

  I don't like this. I feel like this is one of them images if you look too long at it, you might get cursed.

• 41:48Laci Mosley?

  I need to see it longer. She had, she had some lash extensions on.

• 41:53Speaker 03

  Baby, Kaitlyn said, "Somebody finna pay attention to me."

• 41:57Laci Mosley?

  Literally. She was like, "I'm gonna get attention one way or another." So, let's look at some of the comments here on the image.

• 42:05Speaker 03

  Oh, she was a so- social worker.

• 42:08Laci Mosley?

  Oh my goodness. Kaitlyn was?

• 42:11Speaker 03

  That's, that's what the comment said.

• 42:13Laci Mosley?

  Now, we can't trust the comments, but we can look it up. But honestly, her eyebrows are telling me.

• 42:20Speaker 03

  It tells a long story.

• 42:22Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 42:23Speaker 03

  It says a lot.

• 42:24Laci Mosley?

  It says a lot. It's giving self-done dye job, I don't know, and, but she's got lashes on.

• 42:30Speaker 03

  And she's 25? Are we sure she's 25?

• 42:33Laci Mosley?

  I don't know.

• 42:35Speaker 03

  That's a hard 25.

• 42:37Laci Mosley?

  All the lying she's doing, I'm sure it really starts to take a toll on your youth.

• 42:41Speaker 03

  I would give her, Lightin', a hard 39.

• 42:46Laci Mosley?

  I mean, I could see 27.

• 42:51Speaker 03

  20, you are so sweet. Bless your heart.

• 42:54Laci Mosley?

  I, I don't know. Some in her eyes though, that's very vacant, that's scaring me. Okay, we can take the image off coding. Because it's, yeah, I think she's cursing me. Okay.

• 43:03Speaker 03

  I told you.

• 43:04Laci Mosley?

  We got to.

• 43:08Speaker 03

  He's insane.

• 43:11Laci Mosley?

  I gotta spit. We're just like, don't you spit on my mic.

• 43:17Laci Mosley?

  So doula number four, Ashley, that's, these are the pseudonyms. Um, in February twenty twenty-three, Ashley was four days into helping Kaitlyn virtually and in person deliver a twenty-four week stillbirth when she started questioning it. So she was four days in, right? Now she's, she's, she's been doing thirty-two weeks. That was her thing. First time she said it was a live baby. Now she was like, okay, alive is too risky. I'mma say, you know, that they're not. And then this was twenty-four weeks, so then.

• 43:48Speaker 03

  She's like, let me mix it up a little bit.

• 43:50Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, then if this is a seasoned doula, that they gonna think the baby in the corner. For real. So Kaitlyn said her water broke, but it seemed to Ashley like she had just peed in front of her.

• 44:07Speaker 03

  You know how dedicated you have to be to piss on yourself?

• 44:12Laci Mosley?

  Okay, I will say this reminds me of, if you haven't watched Commando.

• 44:19Laci Mosley?

  There's a point in Commando, it's about this woman who faked having cancer and like raised all this money in the church. But there's a point in Commando where Amanda, that's her name, she is at a church service and she's like, oh, I'm feeling lightheaded. I need some water. She gets up and she walks like down the church aisle and she faints, fake faints, and pees on herself.

• 44:38Speaker 03

  The dedication.

• 44:41Laci Mosley?

  Pee on yourself to scam is crazy.

• 44:45Speaker 03

  Oh, my gosh. Did you watch Apple Cider Vinegar?

• 44:48Laci Mosley?

  No, I haven't seen that yet.

• 44:49Speaker 03

  It's like the ultimate scam.

• 44:52Laci Mosley?

  Okay, I gotta watch that.

• 44:53Speaker 03

  You have to watch it. So in the movie, in, in the show, basically, it's about a, a Australian woman who scanned people into thinking that she had cancer and started this multimillion dollar company selling recipes that healed her from cancer. But in one of the scenes, she faked having a seizure, like dropped all this food everywhere in front of like a whole bunch of people and like faked having a seizure. The dedication is crazy to me.

• 45:19Laci Mosley?

  It's so unserious to have a fake seizure. It's very unserious.

• 45:24Speaker 03

  Like, to pee on yourself?

• 45:28Laci Mosley?

  I'm not peeing on myself.

• 45:29Speaker 03

  I'm not peeing on myself to prove a point.

• 45:32Laci Mosley?

  But you know what? I do admire the dedication.

• 45:36Speaker 03

  I'm not mad at it. You got, if you go, you already here, you gotta pee all the way through.

• 45:40Laci Mosley?

  You gotta commit.

• 45:42Speaker 03

  You have to.

• 45:43Laci Mosley?

  So she thought she was peeing on herself. And I bet you Caitlin probably didn't drink enough water the day that she was fake peeing.

• 45:50Speaker 03

  I was just about to say, I know it was funky.

• 45:52Laci Mosley?

  And that, that pee was loud. That's how she knew, the ammonia was ammoniaing. And that's how she knew. She was yelling. She was like, this is not, this is not a water being broken.

• 46:04Speaker 03

  It smelled like a Labrador, just went crazy.

• 46:08Laci Mosley?

  She was like, is that asparagus? It's like, no, that's not, that is not, this is so gross, I'm so sorry. Everyone in the booth is making faces like, stop, stop.

• 46:21Laci Mosley?

  Oh, okay, so.

• 46:22Speaker 03

  Oh, my god.

• 46:23Laci Mosley?

  So sorry about that. That's what I should have warned y'all about, I ain't know, I was gonna say that though.

• 46:29Laci Mosley?

  So, a friend remembered seeing a Facebook post about a client who had done something similar. Ashley looked it up, and the post was about Caitlin. Ashley left and never contacted Caitlin again. The next day, she heard that Caitlin had reached out to another doula in the area. More and more people were joining the doula Facebook group daily. Regardless of people calling the police and giving statements, nothing was changing. So Caitlin was like, I'ma get me a doula in my house. That's what I'm gonna do.

• 47:05Speaker 03

  Why is she doing this?

• 47:07Laci Mosley?

  I don't know.

• 47:09Speaker 03

  She was like, somebody is gonna come deliver this imaginary baby.

• 47:18Laci Mosley?

  She's not making any money. She peeing on her floors. We're wasting people's time. Like, I imagine when Ashley left, she did have to wipe the pee up. And be like, ah, well, lost another one. She's gotta go back to the drawing board. And now, people are joining a Facebook that's like, y'all stay away from Kaitlyn.

• 47:42Speaker 03

  Oh, my god.

• 47:43Laci Mosley?

  It's called Don't Look. Kaitlyn's face.

• 47:46Speaker 03

  With that picture?

• 47:47Laci Mosley?

  With that picture with the eyes. Oh, my god, when y'all see this picture with these eyes. Don't look at it too long, y'all, because I don't want y'all to be cursed for seven years.

• 47:54Speaker 03

  Oh, my god. I am trying.

• 47:58Laci Mosley?

  I feel like they could make a movie about that, like The Mummy. It's like you opening up the Pandora's box. So you look at that photo. I might, I might have to put like a photo over it, like a warning. I don't want y'all to get cursed. So, some consequences. According to the members of the Facebook group, doulas who have been victimized ranged from Brantford, Canada to Florida. So she had to start getting out of Canada because the girls in Canada were starting their Facebook group. And they were like, eh, did you go to Kaitlyn's house? And there was no baby? Eh?

• 48:30Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, she just took a pee in front of me.

• 48:34Laci Mosley?

  Terrible Canadian accent.

• 48:36Speaker 03

  I was like, is this the Irish lady that lives in Canada?

• 48:40Laci Mosley?

  I did live in Ireland for a little while this year.

• 48:45Laci Mosley?

  That's oh?

• 48:46Speaker 03

  It came out. Yeah, that's what it is. Oh?

• 48:49Laci Mosley?

  Oh? I was like, oh, she's not having a baby? Yeah, it is going Irish. I can't, I can't help it. Can't help it. Okay, so. So she had moved on. She was like, I gotta go to Florida. A woman in the UK who worked at a funeral home had agreed to send Kaitlyn money for her traumatic experiences. Okay, so now she gets some coin. Because I'm like, where, like, are you getting anything out of this other than attention? One doula who believed she had helped Kaitlyn through a traumatic birth experience even got a tattoo to commemorate it. The word surrender with a blue butterfly above her elbow. So, so Kaitlyn had traumatized this doula so much that she had to go to her tattoo artist.

• 49:34Laci Mosley?

  And was like, give me a butterfly and, and the word surrender.

• 49:38Speaker 03

  Surrender. Oh, lord, have mercy.

• 49:41Laci Mosley?

  Now, she was right about surrender, but it wasn't surrender to life. It was surrender to the authorities, Kaitlyn.

• 49:46Speaker 03

  Period. You need to be in jail now.

• 49:48Laci Mosley?

  Get yourself up and go to prison. Okay.

• 49:53Speaker 03

  Oh my god.

• 49:54Laci Mosley?

  Prison. Cause ma'am, so many doulas offered their services for free because it was a stillbirth. Others did charge for their services and Caitlyn would disappear and not pay. So she would get the services and have her fun and then she would not pay them.

• 50:12Speaker 03

  But how would she get services with no baby?

• 50:16Laci Mosley?

  Okay, that's a good question.

• 50:18Speaker 03

  Or maybe it was like maybe like an aftercare thing, so maybe she said she delivered the baby already or something?

• 50:24Laci Mosley?

  Man, I don't, I, I'm, I'm not too clear, but.

• 50:27Speaker 03

  She was running out on a tab.

• 50:29Laci Mosley?

  Apparently, they were doing the doula support.

• 50:31Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 50:32Laci Mosley?

  And I mean, we did say like doulas are not like medical professionals. They are kind of like a friend. Maybe Caitlyn just needed a friend and she was like.

• 50:39Speaker 03

  That's what it's sounding like.

• 50:40Laci Mosley?

  Are my besties.

• 50:44Speaker 03

  I feel like there's such an easier way to make friends.

• 50:48Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, like there's apps, you know, like there's Meetup, you know, you could go join a kickball.

• 50:53Speaker 03

  Try saying hello to someone.

• 50:55Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, or you know, just, I mean, there's so many adult things you could do. Go to a bar and then do trivia night. I don't know.

• 51:03Speaker 03

  Something. I think there's just something easier.

• 51:07Laci Mosley?

  House is the only way to make friends. And clearly they're not gonna stick around. These are like professionals.

• 51:13Speaker 03

  Right.

• 51:13Laci Mosley?

  She was like, but they watched Love After Lockup with me while I was in labor for a week. So got him.

• 51:20Speaker 03

  Oh my god.

• 51:22Laci Mosley?

  And they have to be nice to me cuz they working.

• 51:28Laci Mosley?

  I can talk about whatever I want at Nazium cuz they working and they give me a massage.

• 51:36Speaker 03

  And then she gotta remember to do her contractions, her noises.

• 51:39Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, she gotta remember to do her labor. Like, they are watching.

• 51:43Speaker 03

  Start getting too good and they're like, how are you feeling? Oh, I mean.

• 51:46Laci Mosley?

  Oh, alright, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh. They watching The White Lotus. You're like, ooh, what's going on? Oh, right, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But also Belinda's back. No, no.

• 52:02Speaker 03

  This is a lot. This is a lot.

• 52:04Laci Mosley?

  It's a lot. At least she scammed a little bit of money. I don't want her, I don't want her to take anything from anybody.

• 52:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, you can't leave empty handed. You done peed on yourself.

• 52:11Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I just wanted to know the, like, if you were getting something out of this other than wasting people's time.

• 52:16Speaker 03

  Right.

• 52:17Laci Mosley?

  So as people who were victims of this, shared the details of their stories with each others, the victims wanted restitution for money and emotional harm. And I absolutely think they need restitution, at least for emotional harm. The people that she skirt skirted out on the checks, they need their refunds or their money paid. And the emotional harm, like she was telling outlandish stories. She's talking about very serious things that happened to women in the world. She didn't, like, you know, traumatize one doula so much, they went out and got a tattoo.

• 52:51Speaker 03

  And that's what I'm saying, because you don't know if this woman has been through some trauma herself, had been S A'd or something. So she's just like, okay, I feel you.

• 53:00Laci Mosley?

  Pregnancy not go all the way to term. You don't know who you're triggering, like, and you don't know why they got into this line of work. Because a lot of people, like, get into lines of work that, like, kind of help heal, like, their, the own situations that they've been through. Or maybe they have experience in it and they want to push that forward. Not to say that that's why everybody gets into it, but you never know. You know, a lot of comedians, we do what we do because, like, sometimes we be sad and it's nice to laugh, you know? So you never know. I just think that's so harmful.

• 53:32Speaker 03

  It, it very much is. Like I said, it could have triggered somebody who's been through the same thing. So that's kind of like, okay, girl. All right.

• 53:40Laci Mosley?

  Some duelists did call the police to report what was happening. But other than stealing their services under false pretenses and emotional manipulation, it wasn't enough to charge Kaitlyn with an actual crime. AKA, the police were like, we don't care about this.

• 53:53Speaker 03

  I'm weak.

• 53:54Laci Mosley?

  They're like, we, what you want us to do, for real?

• 53:57Speaker 03

  Make her stop.

• 54:00Speaker 03

  What do you mean?

• 54:01Laci Mosley?

  Nah.

• 54:04Speaker 03

  She's harmless.

• 54:05Laci Mosley?

  No, she's on the loose.

• 54:08Laci Mosley?

  Let her be on the loose. A little fun whipper snapper.

• 54:12Speaker 03

  Oh, my goodness.

• 54:13Laci Mosley?

  Oh, she was still out there roping people in over and over again. Because remember, like, she did it to 50 people.

• 54:22Speaker 03

  That's crazy.

• 54:24Laci Mosley?

  In March of 2023, Canadian doulas started finding each other on TikTok, warning fellow birth workers that a serial pregnancy baker was on the loose. So this is a TikTok video.

• 54:36Speaker 05

  So, over the course of a Wednesday to Sunday, there were two doulas.

• 54:41Laci Mosley?

  Wednesday to Sunday, two doulas.

• 54:43Speaker 05

  Both in person and virtually. I spoke to this person nonstop during that whole time when I wasn't with her and even when the other doula was with her.

• 54:56Speaker 05

  This person was not and has not ever been pregnant or experienced a loss.

• 55:05Laci Mosley?

  So, basically, Amy was on TikTok and she said, Caitlin reached out to me. She wanted to talk to me 24/7. She was like, okay, girl, I can't do, I gotta sleep. And she was like, do you?

• 55:19Laci Mosley?

  I'm having a ba- I'm having a baby. So, I feel like you should just be awake all day long. And then she also had a backup doula come to her house. And then she was still like, I still want to be on the phone with you, Amy. Why the backup doula here? So she was like, I got two friends now. I'm at brunch.

• 55:37Speaker 03

  She's, she knew she hit the jackpot.

• 55:39Laci Mosley?

  They're like, Caitlin, why you pulling out them mimosas? You having a baby. She was like, oh, well, it's already here.

• 55:46Laci Mosley?

  She's like, y'all want some waffles? Let's dish.

• 55:48Speaker 03

  Oh, my God.

• 55:50Laci Mosley?

  So, they started, you know, making a TikTok community. Soon Caitlin's identity came out. She had been DMing doulas on Instagram with different versions of a catastrophic scenario. In many cases, the details were the same as the lived experiences of the doulas themselves and all shared a common plot. Seemingly scared and in crisis, Caitlin needed them to help her through a traumatic ordeal. So, remember, we were talking about how like some people might enter the doula business because they've experienced these things themselves. So she was latching on to these people's trauma and lying.

• 56:26Laci Mosley?

  That same month, Kaitlyn was finally arrested and charged with multiple counts of fraud, criminal harassment,

• 56:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 56:34Laci Mosley?

  False pretenses, incident acts, and sexual assault for enlisting dozens of doulas.

• 56:42Speaker 03

  Maybe they felt that way because there's certain things I'm guessing that you have to do as a doula as far as touching the body and doing certain things. So maybe they felt like, you know what I'm saying?

• 56:53Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, and this wasn't medically necessary.

• 56:56Speaker 03

  Right, right.

• 56:57Laci Mosley?

  So we're doing this under false pretenses. You're right. Yeah.

• 57:04Speaker 03

  So it could have been something way deeper that she was getting out of this.

• 57:09Laci Mosley?

  Ew.

• 57:11Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 57:13Laci Mosley?

  Kaitlyn, I already hated your weird ass, but like, ew.

• 57:17Speaker 03

  It got worse. Yes, absolutely.

• 57:20Laci Mosley?

  Feeding off of their compassion and manipulating their professional code. Yeah, this, this is weird as hell and disgusting. Kaitlyn, you're gross.

• 57:32Speaker 03

  Very weird.

• 57:33Laci Mosley?

  Put her under the jail. Don't let her out. Don't let her near no hospitals or no, nobody in the, the pregnancy medical field. Like, girl, what?

• 57:41Speaker 03

  And that's what I was thinking. It's crazy to me that the cops weren't, I feel like, again, because now, if she's going to the hospital, like, she's wasting, um.

• 57:50Laci Mosley?

  Resources?

• 57:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, resources for people who actually need it. Like, that's very serious.

• 57:56Laci Mosley?

  And you're right. Like, if these people are, like, massaging her, or she's, like, having contractions and stuff, it's like, that stuff would be necessary and warranted if you were giving birth. But you're just like a lady, like, tricking people to touch you.

• 58:13Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 58:14Laci Mosley?

  Oh.

• 58:16Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 58:18Laci Mosley?

  Gross. In 2024, she pleaded guilty to 21 of the 52 charges against her. At the sentencing hearing, she said, "What I did was ultimately very wrong, and I feel a strong sense of shame when I think of the hurt and pain that I've caused. I never wanted to be the person I became." But she didn't explain why she did all this. Also, like, I'm sorry. You did this fifty times.

• 58:46Speaker 03

  You wasn't sorry. You just sorry you got caught. It's so weird.

• 58:50Laci Mosley?

  Ew.

• 58:51Speaker 03

  So did she go to jail or?

• 58:53Laci Mosley?

  She was, at sentencing, she, you know, she, she tried to apologize and say that she, oh my God, I'm so ashamed. No, you're not, weirdo. So why did she do this? When examined by the court ordered clinician, because clearly she needed one. Bronk Caitlin, she shared that she'd been previously diagnosed with bipolar disorder and anxiety and depressive disorders. She'd also claimed to have been diagnosed with factitious disorder. Factitious disorder is a serious mental illness where people falsify medical or psychological sin, like, symptoms.

• 59:29Laci Mosley?

  One, I want to say that we don't, you know, mental health, you know, we don't shame anybody with any kind of mental health. So I have, you know, anxiety and depression, so I'm not shaming nobody. But there's a lot of people who have bipolar, anxiety, depression, and they're not tricking doulas into coming to their house.

• 59:49Speaker 03

  I don't, I've been extremely depressed. I've been extremely sad.

• 59:53Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 59:53Speaker 03

  Never peed on myself to get a point across.

• 59:56Laci Mosley?

  In front of somebody.

• 59:58Speaker 03

  It's levels. It's levels now.

• 1:00:00Laci Mosley?

  I've never done that. Like, I've been intensely sad, like, can't get out of bed. But I was never like, let me trick a doula into coming to my house.

• 1:00:11Speaker 03

  I don't think that's the answer.

• 1:00:12Laci Mosley?

  No.

• 1:00:13Speaker 03

  I don't think that's the answer.

• 1:00:15Laci Mosley?

  So unlike most mental illnesses, um, this one involves deliberateness and often tremendous planning. Many patients are also deft improvisers, spinning up convincing details on the fly. According to her medical records, from the ages of seventeen to twenty-four, she went to the hospital more than a hundred and seventy times.

• 1:00:37Speaker 03

  My God.

• 1:00:39Laci Mosley?

  The judge believes most of those visits were probably based on lies. Some have suggested Kaitlyn is a birth fetishist and got some sexual gratification from harassing all these doulas. You said it Lex, you said it.

• 1:00:53Speaker 03

  I knew it.

• 1:00:54Laci Mosley?

  That's why they put that charge in there.

• 1:00:56Speaker 03

  She's horny. Lock her up.

• 1:00:59Laci Mosley?

  But that's also about power. There's something weird, like, that's like, cuz it's not, you could just go on the apps if you horny. Somebody do your weird eyebrow scary eye ass.

• 1:01:12Speaker 03

  But that's what I'm saying. It's not about just, it's not about like her. She gets off in a different type of way.

• 1:01:19Laci Mosley?

  It's like power and tricking people is disgusting. So, her Pinterest, which is still public, includes newborn and maternity photo shoot ideas as well as teen sibling photos for some reason. Kaitlyn was a practicing social worker at the time of her crime, so that comment was right. And her license was temporarily suspended after her arrest. It should not be temporarily. Permanente. Kaiser Permanente suspended.

• 1:01:56Laci Mosley?

  What the hell you talking some temporarily?

• 1:01:58Speaker 03

  Oh my god.

• 1:02:00Laci Mosley?

  Not only should she not be socializing, she damn sure shouldn't be working.

• 1:02:03Speaker 03

  No. She should not be at all.

• 1:02:06Laci Mosley?

  So after almost a year in custody, she was ordered to serve two years under house arrest and another three years of probation. I don't think it should have been no house arrest cuz I feel like she could have still tried to get some doulas to come to the house.

• 1:02:19Speaker 03

  That's where the damage was done. Exactly.

• 1:02:22Laci Mosley?

  No, she needs to go to the big house.

• 1:02:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:02:25Laci Mosley?

  Arrest her and put her in the big house.

• 1:02:27Speaker 03

  And then she needs some like mandatory like counseling.

• 1:02:30Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 1:02:31Speaker 03

  Or something.

• 1:02:32Laci Mosley?

  Cuz she need to figure out what's up with that cuz I'm sorry, fifty, fifty?

• 1:02:36Speaker 03

  That's a lot. And that's a lot of time, coming up with stories and all these lies on top of lies. Like, I, like I said, we don't judge, you know, people with the mental disorders, but...

• 1:02:51Speaker 03

  Sometimes I'll be like, come on now.

• 1:02:53Laci Mosley?

  Now, this is the kicker, Lex. By the April, she was back in jail for similar offenses.

• 1:03:03Speaker 03

  What?

• 1:03:03Laci Mosley?

  In January 2025, she pled guilty to four new charges.

• 1:03:11Speaker 03

  This was recent?

• 1:03:12Laci Mosley?

  Recent as hell.

• 1:03:14Speaker 03

  So what did she do that was similar?

• 1:03:17Laci Mosley?

  She was contacting them damn doulas again.

• 1:03:19Speaker 03

  She is addicted to doulas.

• 1:03:21Laci Mosley?

  She a doula demon. That's what this episode needs to be called, The Doula Demon.

• 1:03:27Speaker 03

  The Doula Demon. I have never heard of something so crazy. Like, you know, you hear about people getting out of jail, they got caught with drugs and they're addicted to drugs, so they get caught with drugs again, or...

• 1:03:39Laci Mosley?

  Right, because they needed rehab, they didn't need jail.

• 1:03:41Speaker 03

  Right, right. That's why I said she needs to go to counseling.

• 1:03:45Laci Mosley?

  She need more than counseling. She might need to get them socks with the little white stuff on them.

• 1:03:50Speaker 03

  A little straitjacket.

• 1:03:51Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, just for a little bit.

• 1:03:53Speaker 03

  She couldn't wait to get out and contact a doula.

• 1:03:56Laci Mosley?

  She couldn't wait. She was thinking about it the whole time she was in prison. She was probably in prison when they gave us some computer time, like lining it up.

• 1:04:04Speaker 03

  Finding the doulas.

• 1:04:05Laci Mosley?

  Literally, she's like, I just made it to six weeks. She know what her release date is.

• 1:04:12Speaker 03

  She was getting her free call. You have a collect call from, "Hi, my name is Caitlin. I need a doula. Can you please answer my call?"

• 1:04:19Laci Mosley?

  No.

• 1:04:22Speaker 03

  Oh, my goodness. This is insane.

• 1:04:26Laci Mosley?

  I hate this woman. I haven't hated a scammer this much in a while. Like, I, I, I don't like them ever unless they're like punching up, you know, but this disgusts me. Like, this is, I'm like, kind of like low-key sick to my stomach.

• 1:04:42Speaker 03

  I think we can, not that we understand scammers, but when we hear a story, it's, money is the motivation, you know? We can be like, okay, they did this because they wanted the money.

• 1:04:51Laci Mosley?

  They wanted money.

• 1:04:52Speaker 03

  But for this?

• 1:04:54Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. This is also harming a community of people who are actually enlisting themselves to help. Like, that's the whole point of being a doula is to help. And so you're gonna violate the helpers, like, bro.

• 1:05:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, lock her up.

• 1:05:10Laci Mosley?

  Honestly, the Facebook doula group needs to just go ahead and make, uh, one of those meetups. And they contact Caitlyn, be like, "I would love to be your doula," and then all y'all just show up and beat her ass.

• 1:05:27Speaker 03

  She needs to be tarred and feathered.

• 1:05:31Laci Mosley?

  This is one of those where y'all gotta have, uh, angry mob.

• 1:05:35Speaker 03

  Yes. But you know what I really do? I hope what happens is when this episode drops, that doulas that are tuned in and are listening, they take her picture, and it should be posted in every single doula group worldwide.

• 1:05:51Laci Mosley?

  This is one of those, like, do not serve, or like, you know, like, you gotta have it hanging up in the restaurant. And I'm gonna say her name again. Her, her name is her full name, cuz let me get her full name out.

• 1:06:02Speaker 03

  Put it out there.

• 1:06:03Laci Mosley?

  It's Kaitlyn Braun. That's K.A.I.T.L.Y.N.B.R.A.U.N. Okay? She currently resides in Canada, but you know, we don't know where she gonna go after she gets out again, so...

• 1:06:21Speaker 03

  For all the doulas listening from Taiwan to Texas, drop that picture in y'all's chat and, um, save the doulas.

• 1:06:29Laci Mosley?

  But also, do the Facebook group, if any of y'all listen to this podcast, I'm telling you, just have, like, one of those events. Like, have a Facebook event, okay?

• 1:06:37Speaker 03

  And please invite me, I wanna come.

• 1:06:39Laci Mosley?

  I wanna come, okay? And have a-

• 1:06:42Speaker 03

  We gonna pull up.

• 1:06:43Laci Mosley?

  Yes, no, or maybe. Are you coming to the Kaitlyn Braun Beatdown? Okay, yes.

• 1:06:49Speaker 03

  The Kaitlyn Braun Beatdown.

• 1:06:50Laci Mosley?

  Okay. I will, I'm coming, I'm bringing snacks. I'm, I'm bringing wine, y'all.

• 1:06:58Laci Mosley?

  I got cups, I got cups. Okay, I got pitchforks.

• 1:07:03Speaker 03

  Look, we got it all.

• 1:07:04Laci Mosley?

  I got tiki torches, listen. Somebody get on the grill.

• 1:07:11Speaker 03

  Look, I like a little burger. I can flip some burgers now.

• 1:07:13Laci Mosley?

  Right, this is gonna, it's gonna be a, a, a networking event, a social event. But we also, that's gonna be after we jump her. Then we're gonna have the festivities, okay?

• 1:07:25Speaker 03

  To celebrate.

• 1:07:26Laci Mosley?

  My cousin's a DJ, she's volunteering.

• 1:07:31Speaker 03

  Oh my goodness.

• 1:07:32Laci Mosley?

  Oh my goodness, Lex, thank you so much for being here for a very bizarre episode.

• 1:07:37Speaker 03

  Oh my god, this was so much fun.

• 1:07:41Speaker 03

  Now, you know what? Cause I am a deep diver too. So as soon as I get off here, I'm finna go deep dive, cause I know it's some other duelists who made TikToks and stories about it.

• 1:07:50Laci Mosley?

  Have to be, I have to deep dive now too, cause I'm just, she done pissed me off real bad. And look, legally, I am not inciting violence, these are all jokes.

• 1:07:59Speaker 03

  These are, yes, let me say that, cause y'all ain't finna come for me and my six dollars.

• 1:08:03Laci Mosley?

  These are all jokes.

• 1:08:04Speaker 03

  This is all jokes, we are playing.

• 1:08:06Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, but if you are in that Facebook group, and this inspired you, the jokes that we are saying.

• 1:08:16Laci Mosley?

  You know, throw a little something on the grill after you throw them hands. Something saying, something saying, throw them hands, throw something on the grill.

• 1:08:22Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:08:23Laci Mosley?

  Okay, it's the only way she gonna learn. Cause jail ain't enough.

• 1:08:30Laci Mosley?

  All right, Lex, we always ask at the end of our podcast, where would you like to be found? Anything you wanna plug, socials, all those things?

• 1:08:37Speaker 03

  Um, of course, you can find me on all platforms at Lex underscore P underscore. Uh, every Friday, I have a really dope podcast called Poor Minds, you can catch that every Friday at 7:00 PM.

• 1:08:51Laci Mosley?

  It's P-O-U-R.

• 1:08:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, P-O-U-R, M-I-N-D-S. Wherever you listen to your podcasts at, you can be able to find it. And every Monday at 10:00 AM, I drop Love Lex P. That is a show that's available on YouTube only, so if you're like a pop culture girly and you're into- Movies and stuff. I'm reviewing Love is Blind right now. And Real Housewives of Atlanta is coming back on, so we're gonna be reviewing that soon. And you know, we get into all the hot topics, all the Blake Lively, Ryan Reynolds drama. I dive into that. So yeah, Love Lex P. on Mondays and Poor Minds on Fridays.

• 1:09:26Laci Mosley?

  Yes. And as always, y'all can find me at D I V A L A C I, Diva Lacy, on all platforms for my personal life. Um, if you wanna see these, if you wanna get cursed by this photo of Caitlyn, um, would not recommend, but uh, Scam Goddess Pod on Instagram. And if you wanna chat with me, Scam Goddess Pod on Twitter. And y'all, Scam Goddess, the television show is out now. All episodes, you can binge them on Hulu, stream them, stream them again. Have your baby stream it in another room. Tell your friends, tell your grandma, tell your cousins, everyone. It's a fun time. Um, it's also very educational and also sometimes it's like heartbreaking. Um, so it's a, it's a wild ride.

• 1:10:09Laci Mosley?

  And also watch Going Dutch. That comes out on Thursdays on Fox, next day on Hulu as well. Um, that's the Dennis Leary military comedy where I play a soldier named Conway. Yeah, that's. How did that happen? Synergy babes, synergy. Um, and yeah, get my book, Scam Goddess. That's available everywhere. It's also available on audiobook if you wanna hear me read it to you. Uh, so then you can have like a, like very long podcast, but very much more intimate than this podcast and um, some of my favorite true crime stories and way too much of my business. Congregation, I want y'all to get out there and I want you to, I want you to make a Facebook event.

• 1:10:53Laci Mosley?

  I'm not speaking to anyone specifically, but I want you to make a Facebook event. And I want you to pay someone a visit.

• 1:11:03Speaker 03

  And make sure you invite us.

• 1:11:05Laci Mosley?

  Make sure you invite.

• 1:11:07Speaker 03

  Don't forget that part.

• 1:11:08Laci Mosley?

  Okay, cuz we wanna come. I wanna get a few uh, kicks in. I'm talking about dancing.

• 1:11:17Laci Mosley?

  Scam Goddess.

• 1:11:20Laci Mosley?

  This has been. In the Earwolf production in association with Team Coco. Scam Goddess stars and is hosted by me, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. Our producer is Jessica Sisneros and our audio engineer is Rich Garcia. Research for the show is conducted by Kate Doyle. Stay scheming.

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