Oops!, I Scammed You Again_ The Britney Spears' Conservatorship w Tess Barker (Fraud Friday)

What's poppin con-gregation? This week, comedians Tess Barker and Babs Gray, hosts of the Toxic:The Britney Spears Story https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.google.com/url?q=https:**Awww.stitcher.com*show*toxic-the-britney-spears-story&sa=D&source=calendar&ust=1633476508735394&usg=AOvVaw3hYrngI5zSY2ZBM3dyA_eK__;Ly8vLw!! NUnUjx3wvH5xgA! MOir9pOjyf-DPZYfNpk5e3OZvbN29gB1MQK8zgLz9iD_NwrIDYPhx22JaipF6g$ podcast, discuss the scam that is the Britney Spears' Conservatorship. Plus, a Danish museum is duped by a concept artist, who literally took the money and ran! Research By Kaelyn Brandt SOURCES https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2021/07/10589818/britney-spears-money-conservators-jamie-spears-return https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2021/07/10589818/britney-spears-money-conservators-jamie-spears-return__;!! NUnUjx3wvH5xgA! MOir9pOjyf-DPZYfNpk5e3OZvbN29gB1MQK8zgLz9iD_NwrIDYPhx21Y8rU3qA$ https://www.vulture.com/2021/06/britney-spears-petition-to-end-conservatorship-guide.html https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.vulture.com/2021/06/britney-spears-petition-to-end-conservatorship-guide.html__;!! NUnUjx3wvH5xgA! MOir9pOjyf-DPZYfNpk5e3OZvbN29gB1MQK8zgLz9iD_NwrIDYPhx22yEB2WKQ$ https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2021/06/10545139/britney-spears-conservatorship-legal-abuse-dangerous https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2021/06/10545139/britney-spears-conservatorship-legal-abuse-dangerous__;!! NUnUjx3wvH5xgA! MOir9pOjyf-DPZYfNpk5e3OZvbN29gB1MQK8zgLz9iD_NwrIDYPhx223q3Zoag$ https://www.newyorker.com/news/american-chronicles/britney-spears-conservatorship-nightmare https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.newyorker.com/news/american-chronicles/britney-spears-conservatorship-nightmare__;!! NUnUjx3wvH5xgA! MOir9pOjyf-DPZYfNpk5e3OZvbN29gB1MQK8zgLz9iD_NwrIDYPhx23V-lsufg$ https://variety.com/2021/music/news/britney-spears-full-statement-conservatorship-1235003940/ https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://variety.com/2021/music/news/britney-spears-full-statement-conservatorship-1235003940/__;!! NUnUjx3wvH5xgA! MOir9pOjyf-DPZYfNpk5e3OZvbN29gB1MQK8zgLz9iD_NwrIDYPhx21s44KiHw$ https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/9445409/britney-spears-conservatorship-timeline/ https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/9445409/britney-spears-conservatorship-timeline/__;!! NUnUjx3wvH5xgA! MOir9pOjyf-DPZYfNpk5e3OZvbN29gB1MQK8zgLz9iD_NwrIDYPhx226YulkCg$ https://www.freebritney.army/ https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.freebritney.army/__;!! NUnUjx3wvH5xgA! MOir9pOjyf-DPZYfNpk5e3OZvbN29gB1MQK8zgLz9iD_NwrIDYPhx23WgFZbjQ$ https://www.forbes.com/sites/maddieberg/2021/02/17/britney-spears-net-worth-revealed--and-its-shockingly-low-compared-to-her-pop-peers/?sh=67fbdfb618ac https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.forbes.com/sites/maddieberg/2021/02/17/britney-spears-net-worth-revealed--and-its-shockingly-low-compared-to-her-pop-peers/?sh=67fbdfb618ac__;!! NUnUjx3wvH5xgA! MOir9pOjyf-DPZYfNpk5e3OZvbN29gB1MQK8zgLz9iD_NwrIDYPhx22ytqAzgg$ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVrhKBhMrEI https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVrhKBhMrEI__;!! NUnUjx3wvH5xgA! MOir9pOjyf-DPZYfNpk5e3OZvbN29gB1MQK8zgLz9iD_NwrIDYPhx23N0zb5bw$ https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/09/29/arts/britney-spears-conservatorship https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/09/29/arts/britney-spears-conservatorship__;!! NUnUjx3wvH5xgA! MOir9pOjyf-DPZYfNpk5e3OZvbN29gB1MQK8zgLz9iD_NwrIDYPhx218x6ZZRg$ https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/heidiblake/conservatorship-investigation-free-britney-spears https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/heidiblake/conservatorship-investigation-free-britney-spears__;!! NUnUjx3wvH5xgA! MOir9pOjyf-DPZYfNpk5e3OZvbN29gB1MQK8zgLz9iD_NwrIDYPhx22kn6dJxQ$ https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/toxic-the-britney-spears-story/id1565880473 https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/toxic-the-britney-spears-story/id1565880473__;!! NUnUjx3wvH5xgA! MOir9pOjyf-DPZYfNpk5e3OZvbN29gB1MQK8zgLz9iD_NwrIDYPhx21jqgkX5A$ https://937theriver.iheart.com/content/2021-09-29-take-the-money-run-museum-gives-artist-84k-gets-blank-canvases/ https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://937theriver.iheart.com/content/2021-09-29-take-the-money-run-museum-gives-artist-84k-gets-blank-canvases/__;!! NUnUjx3wvH5xgA! MOir9pOjyf-DPZYfNpk5e3OZvbN29gB1MQK8zgLz9iD_NwrIDYPhx21rtkElPg$ See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 2:20Laci Mosley?

  What's poppin', congregation? Ooh, do we have a tasty treat for you today? Welcome back to Scam Goddess. It's me, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess, the show that's all about fraud and usually cheering for it. Maybe not today, though. So today, I'm very, hmm, yes, yes, excited. I'm gonna switch it up on y'all in a little bit. I'm not gonna say that anymore. I don't know. I like it. But I'm really, I really am excited today. We have two amazing guests for you. Come on, double the pleasure, double the fun. Tess Barker and Babs Gray. They're comedians, writers, and podcasters who launched the podcast Brittany's Gram in 2017, which kicked off the international Free Brittany movement.

• 3:03Laci Mosley?

  Together, they co-host the podcast Toxic: The Britney Spears Story and the Ladies to Lady podcast, which I have been on, is very fun, along with Brandy Posey. Also, check out Babs' first stand-up album called If I Did, available to buy or stream now. Get on the interwebs. Congregation, welcome Tess Barker and Babs Gray to the show. Hey. Hi, Lacey.

• 3:26Speaker 04

  Oh, my God, so excited to be here.

• 3:27Laci Mosley?

  So excited. How are you ladies doing?

• 3:30Speaker 05

  Doing great, you know, kinda riding high. We got some good Brittany news this week. The pumpkin spice smoothie is back at Jamba Juice, so I'm having a pretty good day.

• 3:39Laci Mosley?

  Wait a minute. Pumpkin spice smoothie?

• 3:42Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 3:43Laci Mosley?

  Smoothie?

• 3:44Speaker 05

  And, yeah, yes. And it's, it is way, it's exactly what you think it is.

• 3:50Laci Mosley?

  It's a milkshake.

• 3:51Speaker 05

  It's just a milkshake. But they have the new, the new one that they have with oat milk, so it's dairy-free.

• 3:56Speaker 04

  Oh, never mind, it's a smoothie. It's a smoothie.

• 3:58Speaker 05

  It's a smoothie, yes.

• 3:59Laci Mosley?

  Oh, okay, look, I was about to say, like, maybe I need to get one of those. Do I turn into a white woman instantly after I take a first sip?

• 4:06Speaker 05

  Yeah. You start being, yeah, you take your first sip and then you're rude to the cashier right away, so.

• 4:14Laci Mosley?

  Love it. Yeah, I'm like, now I'm calling cops on people in the Jamba Juice? Just one sip? No, I love it. Okay, guys, well, I have to ask first, before we get into our first segment. We'll start with you, Babs. Like, what's your relationship with scams? Have you ever been scammed? Do you like them? Do you hate them? Like, what's your vibe?

• 4:31Speaker 04

  I have to say, shockingly, never been scammed, which I cannot believe. I think that I know that I'm easily scamable, so I avoid scam situations in general. Like Scientology, I can't go in that building because I will become a Scientologist. You know what I mean? So I think I know how to stay away. But, yeah, I like scams. I like them, if I'm looking at true crime scams, they're my favorite kind, because murder, that's a little too much for me. That's a little too gory. Scams, they're inventive, it's a puzzle. I think it's, you know, I, I'm a fan of them, generally.

• 5:05Laci Mosley?

  Generally. Maybe not today's episode, but generally. Yes, okay, I get that. Like, I feel like I could go in the Scientology building, but they wouldn't like me because they would know I was just being there, being a voyeur. I'm just trying to see where Xenom at, you know? Like, I'm trying to get on the boat. They still do a Sea Org, that's a cruise.

• 5:24Speaker 05

  Look, is there mimosas on the boat? I might be down.

• 5:28Laci Mosley?

  I heard they have a brunch, so I was like, what's poppin' with this brunch? I get free brunch, y'all get to talk to me about, um, Elrond? Like, that's fine. I love me some Elrond, just kidding, I don't. But I would get kicked out of Scientology. I'd go on the Sea Org, you're supposed to work on that boat. I would definitely just be in there chilling. They're like, Lacey, you're not contributing.

• 5:47Speaker 04

  You're not gonna be one of the people, like, riding around on a bicycle in Hollywood, kinda like, spreading the good word?

• 5:52Laci Mosley?

  Right. They stand on the corner, and they really be working them corners hard, okay? Pretty woman ain't got shit on Scientology, okay? They out there showing a little leg, they like, y'all gonna, y'all gonna get with Xenom or else, so.

• 6:06Speaker 05

  And they all are just joylessly smoking cigarettes all the time. They're the last people in Los Angeles that smoke.

• 6:12Speaker 04

  I, this is all the reasons why I have to avoid or else, because it sound, I want in, and I know it's a scam.

• 6:20Laci Mosley?

  We just see Babs on the corner with, like, a fistful of cigarettes, wearing, like, a button-down with a, with a clip-on tie.

• 6:27Speaker 04

  I'll be wearing a clip-on tie with the pretty woman dress with the circle thing in the middle, just like a combo.

• 6:33Laci Mosley?

  Yes, so maybe I'll post on the Scam Goddess Instagram. I did a bit where I was just in front of the Scientology building harassing people. It's funny, though, it's not mean, but it's insane. But wait, so Tess, what is your relationship with scams? I cannot believe Babs has never been scammed. You are my unicorn. I get scammed all the time, and I, I host a show called Scam Goddess. You would think.

• 6:54Speaker 04

  I mean, I probably, maybe I have, and I just didn't know. I've certainly dated a lot of pieces of shit, but I don't think I've ever lost money. I've never lost money from it, aside from, like, paying for their dinners and stuff.

• 7:05Laci Mosley?

  Oh, yeah, look, I pay for some dinners, too. Cis het men are a scam, okay? They are.

• 7:09Speaker 04

  Yes, in general, we know that already.

• 7:11Laci Mosley?

  And you know that, it's like, you go in, you know you're gonna get robbed, you know?

• 7:14Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's like buying, it's like buying a beer at a Dodger game. I know, it's a ripoff. I want one.

• 7:19Laci Mosley?

  Right, you know it's a ripoff, but you still want it, and that's exactly how I feel. Like, if a man stays in my house, and like, we've been dating or something, like, I still wake up, even if we've been dating for a while, and I'll check my purse and make sure all the contents are there when they leave. But like, if a woman stays with me, like, I'm not checking for that, I'm like, this is fine. But if a man's there, I'm like, let me make sure this nigga didn't rob me.

• 7:40Laci Mosley?

  Before he leaves. But Tess, what is your relationship with scams?

• 7:44Speaker 05

  Oh, I have a multifaceted relationship with scams. I love scams, in terms of acting them out. I'm a really good scammer when it comes to.

• 7:53Laci Mosley?

  Acting them out? That's the best version of I'm a scammer I've ever heard. It was so artistic. You know, I love scams, I love performing them.

• 8:02Speaker 05

  Yes. And it is my best scams. I'm, I've always been very good at calling in sick to work or school. And I do, when I say act them out, I do act them out. Like, you, the people don't realize, if you're calling in sick, lay down. They can tell if you're laying down or standing up.

• 8:19Laci Mosley?

  Okay, y'all listening?

• 8:22Speaker 04

  That's a great tip.

• 8:23Laci Mosley?

  Tess is laying down tips. Write the book, Tess. You gotta lay down. Okay, so you gotta lay down.

• 8:30Speaker 05

  Lay down. Here's my other one. If you need to get out of work for two days, tell them you gotta have minor surgery, because they won't ask any other questions. If it's a bigger surgery, they're gonna be, like, actually concerned, but minor surgery, they're gonna assume it's about your vagina, and there will be no further questions.

• 8:47Laci Mosley?

  Right. Oh, you're right, and I feel like you can just, if you have a vagina out there, you could really just be like, yeah, I got some polyps on my vagina, and they'll be like, you, da, da, da, da, all right, you good, don't come in, don't come in. Wait, if I lay down, is it like, hello?

• 9:03Speaker 04

  See? Polyps, polyps.

• 9:06Laci Mosley?

  I have a, um, I have an outpatient surgery today. Why'd you request time off? It's, um, it's a minor emergency.

• 9:19Laci Mosley?

  Wait, your voice changes when you lay down.

• 9:22Speaker 05

  See, see?

• 9:24Speaker 04

  I always use food poisoning and now like I realized that was just nothing. That was small time.

• 9:28Speaker 05

  Oh, no, girl. That's what food poisoning is like you got a flat tire. Everyone knows that one. Yeah. So there you guys go. But I've also, I've been scammed. I've fallen for, this is how easily scammed I am. You know, the one where the guy, I used to have my whole life. I've had busted cars. So like,

• 9:44Speaker 04

  The one where?

• 9:46Speaker 05

  No, you guys know this one. I'm gonna explain it to you.

• 9:47Laci Mosley?

  Listen, I had a raggedy ass car too. And I didn't even give a shit. I remember one time a bus hit me, like clipped me on the freeway and tore half my bumper off. I didn't even notice until I was like, why is everybody staring at me? Because I'm cute. And I was like, let me pull over. My bumper was hanging off the car, making little sparks and shit. I was just like, la la la.

• 10:09Speaker 05

  Your bumper is gonna set your car on fire for insurance money.

• 10:11Laci Mosley?

  So you've had some hoopdees. Okay.

• 10:13Speaker 05

  So I've had some hoopdees and I know, you guys know the scam where you're at the gas station and the guy's like, hey, I can fix that for you. And then I'll fix it for you for cheap. Then you tell your insurance that you got it fixed. They'll pay you back and you'll make some money. Do you guys know this scam?

• 10:29Laci Mosley?

  Yes, I do. I do.

• 10:31Speaker 05

  Well, I did fall for that. And that guy, don't, they're not, at least in my case, it wasn't someone who actually knew how to fix cars. He made it like so much worse. I had like gotten into an accident and I had a huge dent on my passenger side door. Like you could see where the other car like scraped my entire door. So it needed like, I needed a new door, basically.

• 10:54Laci Mosley?

  Okay. But he was like, don't worry, I could pop that out. Right. Was he punching it with his fist?

• 10:59Speaker 05

  It was, and I can pop that out and then I'll buff it. He goes, I can pop that out and then I'll buff it and it'll look like new. So he pops it out and then he buffs it with like this shit that looks, it's like white grease, basically. He's like, it's just gonna take a couple hours to dry. I pay this guy $500. He drives off. The shit never dries. It just stays like white and grease. The dent is still there. And this guy is nowhere to be found.

• 11:26Speaker 04

  Your car just has an oxyma like stain on it.

• 11:29Laci Mosley?

  Oh, it's like he put some lotion on your car like it was ashy. Like, hey sis, your car look a little ashy. I'll put some lotion on it for $500.

• 11:40Laci Mosley?

  And then he drove off. Nah, bruh. You can't ever get nothing fixed by somebody in a motor vehicle. They, they too mobile. Like I gotta be able to come back to your shop. Like, we gotta go to your shop.

• 11:49Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 11:50Laci Mosley?

  You can't fix my shit on a moped. You know, you can weave between lanes. I'll never find you.

• 11:55Speaker 05

  Yeah. Try not to cut illicit deals with people who are in the getaway vehicle. Would be my advice.

• 12:01Laci Mosley?

  That's a good sign. If somebody's trying to offer to do something and they are mobile, like extremely mobile, don't do it. They need to be stationary. If they can get in the car or the motorcycle like immediately, that's a no go for me.

• 12:13Speaker 05

  Exactly.

• 12:14Laci Mosley?

  I feel you. That's a, that's a common scam. I used to get so offended. My last car, I don't even know why I got offended because this shit was raggedy. Ford, JK, if y'all sponsor the show, I love Ford's. But I used to get those signs that said, we buy junk cars like all the time. I was like, damn, this is insulting. Can y'all just say, we buy used cars? Like, how you gonna just put this shit out here and be like, your car is ass. We will buy it.

• 12:40Speaker 05

  Thank you, girl. And have you ever found out? I know I found out that my car was a junk car from one of those cards. I thought it was all right.

• 12:46Speaker 04

  It's like they're nagging me into giving them my car. I've had that happen so many times. It always, it's like in the, underneath all the dead leaves are on top of the windshield. They're like, yeah, we're gonna just jam it in there. Let her know what she, let her know what she's doing.

• 13:00Laci Mosley?

  There's like four other cards in there. They're like, we'll put ours on top. We'll take the rest out. It's so disrespectful. I would, I feel like if y'all were like, we buy beautiful cars. I would feel more, I would feel better about going over there. You already telling me my shit is junk. I know you ain't gonna give me a good price.

• 13:16Speaker 05

  Exactly.

• 13:18Laci Mosley?

  We buy lemons. Don't you want better for yourself? Let us buy this car off of you because it's tragic.

• 13:25Speaker 05

  You would be happier crawling. Yeah.

• 13:27Speaker 04

  All of us who've driven a piece of shit car. I mean, I've definitely been approached by guys as well to fix a random thing.

• 13:34Laci Mosley?

  I feel like as a woman, it probably happens more to us too, because men just assume like, oh, she's a woman. Like she don't know anything about cars. And look, they right about me.

• 13:44Speaker 04

  I don't. Yeah.

• 13:45Speaker 05

  No, it's actually correct. No.

• 13:47Speaker 04

  But I know enough that I, I don't want this fixed now. Also, I know enough that I can just drive around with it looking like shit forever. That's also an option.

• 13:57Laci Mosley?

  Only reason that I, well, I've, I've upgraded since, but the only reason I was like, I gotta get rid of this car is because you get pulled over more often if your car is raggedy. Especially in nice neighborhoods. Cause the police, like if I went to Beverly Hills, bro, they would run my tags. I wasn't even doing anything illegal. They would run my tags. I got told out there because they were like, this bitch, we know something wrong. Cause her car, if her car looked like this, she definitely got some fines or something.

• 14:23Laci Mosley?

  If she ain't even fixing her car, she definitely ain't paying the government. And they're right. And they profile.

• 14:29Speaker 05

  I will say, I, I, my car, I keep it messy. My husband is like a neater person than I am. So my car is my little pigpen where I just really, I got jeans in there right now. I got empty, uh, empty fast food wrappers, all that. And I do, when I go on my runs, sometimes I will leave my keys in my unlocked car. Because of that, like no one's gonna try to, it's hiding in plain sight.

• 14:53Laci Mosley?

  I'm gonna give you the opposite though.

• 14:55Speaker 05

  Go ahead.

• 14:55Laci Mosley?

  If you have shit in your car and there is somebody around, they will bust a window to get in that bitch. At least your doors weren't locked. Cause I got, I've had my car robbed twice. Um, once it was in my garage at my old place, but it was kinda in the, it was in hollyhood. So you know, like helicopters all the time, you know, everybody's trying to get away on foot from robberies constantly. That caused a lot of traffic. But, um, they were like, they escaped into this neighborhood. You can't go home. What? Like that literally happened to me. Um, but one time, the, the last time, luckily my door was unlocked. So they just went in and they took like my deodorant. They took like my sunglasses and stuff like that.

• 15:37Laci Mosley?

  And I was like, oh, this must be an unhoused person if they, if they jacked my little, uh, you know, emergency deodorant. So I didn't feel that bad. And they didn't break my windows. So I didn't have to pay for anything. And they left some Armor All wipes. So I was like, damn, y'all trying to say I need to clean up? The fuck is these? Maybe they were wiping fingerprints, but I was like, bitch, how y'all gonna leave some wipes in here talking about, bitch, you need to wipe these leather seats down. I felt insulted. But the first time I got robbed was also in the damn garage. And I had a bunch of wigs and shit in my car. Cause at the time I was doing sketch comedy. So you gotta have a lot of highly flammable wigs. Y'all know.

• 16:10Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 16:11Laci Mosley?

  And they broke into my car, bust, bust the fucking window. They put a maxi pad on the window so they could absorb the sound. Damn, I'm telling y'all how to break into cars. And, um, they busted the window.

• 16:21Speaker 05

  A maxi pad like for periods?

• 16:24Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. It was a maxi pad on the window when we found the car. Um, cause I guess it absorbs the sound of them hitting the glass while they're trying to get it to break.

• 16:33Speaker 05

  Wow.

• 16:34Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. And so I, I came down, saw it and I'm like, oh my God. Cause I did have some expensive shit in there, but because the wigs and stuff were in there, they didn't take anything. And honestly, I was offended. I was like, how you gonna break my window and then be like, ain't this shit in here?

• 16:49Speaker 04

  Yeah. I wanna say like then a week later, you just saw all of them wearing your wigs.

• 16:53Laci Mosley?

  I would love that. I would love that more. If I just saw a bunch of people on the street wearing my wigs, I would be proud. But they were like, we don't want this bitch's cheap shit. And my, but my mom was always like, you can't leave stuff in your car because people will think like, oh, if I bust it open, I'm gonna get some loot.

• 17:09Speaker 05

  But don't you think like, I'm such a, like the items that I'm displaying, I don't think put off the vibe of like, there's some good shit in here.

• 17:17Laci Mosley?

  I have flammable wigs, girl. They didn't look that good and clothes. And they, they bust my shit with a maxi pad. They was real dedicated.

• 17:24Speaker 05

  Okay, finally, so get a car wash today. Okay, fine.

• 17:27Laci Mosley?

  Yes. I'm not saying wash the outside. I'm saying like, put all that shit in the trunk or something. Cause the girls will rob. And, but it's not even about robbery. It's about like, you don't want them to bust your window. Then you gotta pay for that shit.

• 17:39Speaker 05

  That's the thing.

• 17:39Laci Mosley?

  That's what annoyed me. I was like, y'all couldn't like break into the door or something? Y'all gotta bust the window? God damn. So let's get into our first segment. 16 minutes in. I love this for us. Uh, what's hot and fraud? This is where we warn our listeners about popping scams and the zeitgeist, but more often than not these days, we get a letter from you guys. As always, snitch on your friends and family at [email protected]. Just make sure your scams retired. So we don't what? Yes. Fuck up your bag. All right. So today I need a fake name from you guys, either one, and we don't care about gender.

• 18:10Speaker 05

  Frankenfurt.

• 18:11Laci Mosley?

  Frankenfurt. Love it. So Frankenfurt says, hey, Lacey, hey Frankenfurt. A few weeks ago, I received a call from an unknown number. A man who sounded vaguely threatening asked me by, or asked for me by name, claiming he was a process server and that I was being sued for outstanding debt owed to a collection agency. He gave me a number to call and told me I could either make payment arrangements or he'd come to my place of employment the next day and serve me lawsuit papers. That's us. I'm gonna pause right there. First of all, how you gonna tell me you gonna serve me tomorrow? I'm just not gonna be there. Do you know how server works? You gotta surprise people. Like you gotta be like, oh, we having a birthday party. And then you get there on the birthday and it ain't no birthday. And then somebody serving you. Like that's how you gotta do it.

• 18:54Laci Mosley?

  That's how Karoochi did Chris Brown. I think it was his birthday party. He was at the club. The lawyer came into the club and was like, we fly high, no lie. We brought that lawsuit. Like, and he gave them, he gave them a shit order.

• 19:10Laci Mosley?

  Like a bottle service girl came over and it was like a bottle wrapped around like legal paperwork.

• 19:17Speaker 04

  I would absolutely do that if I was a server. Like, wouldn't you, if you, if you were the person serving these notices, you'd like, that's where all the wigs come in. Like, all right, what disguise can I wear today?

• 19:28Laci Mosley?

  If your whole job is serving people, I hope you out there having fun. Bab, you're absolutely right. Like I want wigs. I want costumes. I want you to show up like the UPS man and, and the package is a lawsuit. Like,

• 19:39Speaker 04

  Fake, yeah. Pizza delivery.

• 19:40Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. Ooh, and you open the pizza box and it's a lawsuit. Yes. That's exciting. Now I hope they're doing stuff like that because that's how I would do it. Put some flair in it. Have fun with your job. If anybody does this, y'all tweet me and tell me if y'all do anything fun. Cause I think that's how you should do it. Like I would always come in disguise. I would never just show up in a suit like you're served. No. That way I got served by a lady in a nurse costume. I wasn't even at the hospital.

• 20:09Laci Mosley?

  I'll be at Party City every day. Like what am I gonna serve the girls today?

• 20:15Laci Mosley?

  So, let's continue this. Frankfurt says, Frankenferb, says, "At this point, I was about 50/50 on whether this was a scam, so I called the number." Okay Frankenferb, so you owe somebody some coins, cuz if they call and say you owe Bank of America, you were like, "Well, I do owe a lot of people, so, you know, there's Navien, my cousin." He was like going down the list like, "Mmm, I could, this could be true."

• 20:39Speaker 04

  Finally, something's coming back on my ass. I always feel that, like, when I get in trouble for something, even though it's not my fault, I'm like, "Well, I have done other fucked up shit, so maybe this is..."

• 20:48Speaker 05

  That's a healthy way to look at it. I like that.

• 20:50Laci Mosley?

  And collection agencies, like, the whole situation is like, uh, people will outsource their debt, that they need to the collection agency, so the collection agency can harass you, and then in turn, the collection agency gets like a little piece of the debt if they can get you to pay. But, they really don't have anything but phone calls, and this is so trifling, because I have, definitely have enough money to pay whoever they trying to... But I be getting calls sometimes from a collection agency, and they'll be like, "This call, it might be recorded," I just hang up, or they be like, "Hello?" You hear like a doo-doo, "Is this Lacey Mosley?" I just hang up.

• 21:25Speaker 05

  Girl, I'm in the same place. I finally have money for like the first time in my life, and like, I'm like, "What's not going to that? That's not real."

• 21:32Laci Mosley?

  My credit is fine. I can get a house, I got a home loan, I ain't never paying y'all back. Y'all don't got enough on me. Sorry, my credit is great.

• 21:42Speaker 05

  And do they not know that we all have...

• 21:44Laci Mosley?

  No! Sequoia, financial, fuck off!

• 21:47Speaker 05

  We have fucking caller ID now. No, we're not answering unidentified calls. This isn't our first day.

• 21:53Laci Mosley?

  But they be switching it up, so sometimes they'll call from an area code that's from your area code, which I'm from Texas, so if I see a 214 and I don't know it, bro, I'm not picking up. Like, if I see a 972 and I don't know it, nah! But they'll call from places that they think you'll like pick up. Or now, sometimes, for some weird reason, maybe there's a way you can program this in your phone, but I'll get phone calls, and it'll say a name, and I think that they think like, "Oh, you'll assume this is someone in your contacts because there's a name on the phone call."

• 22:26Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 22:27Laci Mosley?

  "And meanwhile, you ain't never met this person in your life." I was like, "Ooh, that was a good one." They got me on that one a couple times. They be like, "Doo-doo, this is Sequoia." I'm like, "Bah!"

• 22:37Laci Mosley?

  I'm so petty. I could definitely pay them, and I'm just not going to.

• 22:40Speaker 05

  No! There's a million things I'd rather do. Also, it falls off after like a certain amount of years.

• 22:46Laci Mosley?

  Mm-hmm. They just chalk it to the game, and I'm like, "Yeah, y'all better just charge it to the game, girl, cuz I'm not gonna get to you."

• 22:52Speaker 04

  It's like, I already used that money, so it's not real. It's just a nonexistent number in your fucking computer, like, whatever.

• 23:00Laci Mosley?

  Money ain't real, nothing's real, so, it's a vibe, you know?

• 23:06Laci Mosley?

  Courtesy is a vibe, and I'm not vibing with paying people back, no. Only people I'm paying back is the government. I had one student loan, cuz I went to school on a full scholarship, but, a full tuition, but I had to pay for housing, and, uh, my parents got a loan, and then they paid their loan off for me, and then my loan, I was like, "So y'all gonna leave the one in my name? Does that y'all gonna do me?" But, they supported me throughout my struggling acting career, so I can't even say shit. Love y'all. Uh, so, a woman's... So, remember, at this point, he's 50/50, cuz he does know he owes some people. So, he says, "A woman who seemed very irritated answered," cuz he called the number. And he said, "A woman was, seemed very irritated, and she answered and said nothing but,

• 23:49Laci Mosley?

  'Hello, Law Office.'" No first name, no company name, just "Law Office." This sound like, this must be the scammer's girlfriend, and she was like, "Babe, I don't, I don't wanna do this today." "Girl, come on, we gotta get these, this fake lawsuit off." "Hello, Law Office Incorporated of Law." Giving the girl's nothing. So, I told her about the call I received, and she looked up my name, then told me I owed Bank of America $8,000, and that I could either make a payment now, or let them sue you. She claimed that they had already sent me a letter requesting payment that I hadn't received. How do you know I ain't received the letter? Maybe he's saying he didn't receive it.

• 24:32Laci Mosley?

  She also had the last four digits of my social security number somehow, again, making it seem somewhat believable.

• 24:38Speaker 04

  Damn, how'd she get the last four?

• 24:41Speaker 05

  I don't like that. That's easy. You guys, that one's easy.

• 24:44Laci Mosley?

  The last four is out there.

• 24:45Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's out there. Anything that you give anyone is out there. Your phone number, all that.

• 24:49Speaker 04

  I know it's all out there.

• 24:50Speaker 05

  It's all out there.

• 24:51Speaker 04

  You know, I haven't seen the, the, that out there.

• 24:54Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 24:55Laci Mosley?

  So, it says, "I told the woman I would wait to be served the papers and take it from there. I then spent the day calling Bank of America and checking my credit report to make sure I didn't have any debt I had forgotten about." I love he said, "I have any debt that I had forgotten about." He was like, "I got debt. I know where it's at." "I'm just trying to make sure there's no crumbs of debt that I forgot about."

• 25:18Laci Mosley?

  So, um, which of course, he says, "I didn't." "I never got served papers or received another call, but it's a little scary that they have the last four digits of my social. I guess our information gets compromised all the time, so stay vigilant." Yep, it does.

• 25:31Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm. But just feel good that they needed to call you because they didn't have enough info to fuck you over, so...

• 25:37Speaker 05

  That's a really good way of looking at it.

• 25:38Speaker 04

  You wouldn't have gotten that phone call if they were all good to go.

• 25:41Laci Mosley?

  Right, they would've just robbed you if they had everything they needed, and that's another thing that should be a vote of confidence, guys. I always say this on this podcast, if something don't sound right, just hang up. You can just hang up the phone. It's not even personal, you're not face to face, just hang up the phone. Like, cuz people will try you, and if you get scared, or you start volunteering information, it might be over for your ass.

• 26:03Speaker 05

  Well, and like, even if it is Bank of America, hang up.

• 26:07Speaker 04

  Yeah, they will get in contact with you. If they really fucking need to, they'll figure, and you'll realize it's the real thing.

• 26:12Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 26:12Speaker 04

  I've, I fuck with those people all the time. Like, I, there was that one scam going around, I'm sure you talked about it, Lacey, where it was like, "Did your credit card buy something in this other state?" And it was this whole thing. And they were like, "You're gonna be investigated by the FBI or something," and I was like, and he goes, "Did your card buy this and this in Texas on this date?" And I'd go, "Yeah, it did." And he like, didn't know what to do, cuz I said, "Yes."

• 26:35Laci Mosley?

  You were like, "Yee-haw!" And he was like, "Wait a minute."

• 26:40Speaker 04

  Yeah, and he just like, didn't know how to handle it, and then he was like, "What do you do for a liv...?" I don't know, I just made up all this dumb fake shit.

• 26:46Laci Mosley?

  "What do you do for a living, sir? Why are you in my business?"

• 26:50Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 26:51Laci Mosley?

  "How much money you got?"

• 26:54Speaker 04

  What are you doing tonight? Like, what's, what's your deal?

• 26:56Laci Mosley?

  Is this a date you go out with him, you marry him? It started with a scam, and it ended with romance.

• 27:01Speaker 04

  That is, I mean, Lifetime movie, let's do it.

• 27:05Laci Mosley?

  Right. Okay, so, I last thought about this. I have never known Bank of America to let you charge money to them without them recouping it. Like, now, if you have a negative balance, like, that might happen, but Bank of America won't even let you buy shit if they're like, "You can't afford it." They'll just stop your car. They don't let you, like, they rarely let you go into the negative. Like, if it's an auto pay thing, I think they'll let you, but if you trying to swipe on some $60 meal, and you only got 30, Bank of America be like, "Hey, girl."

• 27:41Speaker 05

  They will leave you embarrassed in Chipotle. They don't give a fuck.

• 27:44Laci Mosley?

  They don't give a fuck, yeah.

• 27:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, no, that's... You're, yeah, your card's getting denied, that's not...

• 27:51Laci Mosley?

  Right. Fraud protection is only, it only exists to protect banks. It's not there to protect us. So, the bank, Bank of America, if I go like four miles up the street and go to a gas station, they're like, "Hey sis, we saw you bought a Monster Energy in, um, in Inglewood? That just don't sound like you, so we shut your card off."

• 28:13Speaker 04

  I remember once I got that alert, cuz I went to Taco Bell, and I only got like $5 worth of things, and I got a Taco Bell all the time, and it was like, there's no way it's her because she only bought $5 worth of food.

• 28:25Laci Mosley?

  She be getting way more at Taco Bell. She be getting Nacho Supreme, she be getting at least a Freezy Blast. No, this ain't bad.

• 28:32Speaker 04

  They're like, "This is usually $15 to $20 purchase, at least. There's no way this is her."

• 28:40Laci Mosley?

  Taco Bell and drops a stack?

• 28:43Laci Mosley?

  Like, run it up. Give me all the tacos.

• 28:45Speaker 04

  Dream, hell yeah.

• 28:47Laci Mosley?

  Listen, I still fucks with Taco Bell. There's a funny joke in Family Guy that was like, Meg started drinking alcohol, and they were like, Peter was like, "Meg is drinking alcohol," and the mom was, Lois was like, "No, she's not, she wouldn't do that." And then they open her bedroom door, and they see a bag of Taco Bell next to her bed, and they were like, "Our baby's an alcoholic."

• 29:09Laci Mosley?

  I'm like, yo, cuz nothing busts harder than Taco Bell after a night of drinking.

• 29:14Speaker 05

  That's right. Because I think the like toxicity of the Taco Bell is the perfect match for the toxicity of the alcohol. Like it's, they're of equal force.

• 29:25Laci Mosley?

  Doritos Locos Tacos have a hold on me. They have a hold on me every now and then cuz Taco Bell stays open late too. Every now and then I gotta hit them, the postmates up at 2 a.m. like y'all.

• 29:36Speaker 05

  Postmates is always next level cuz you're like, I just paid $50 for a Doritos Loco Taco.

• 29:41Laci Mosley?

  Right, for a Doritos Loco Taco. Cuz they'll show you the prices and then when you get to the checkup, I'd be like, alright, so we got driving fees, gas fee, postmate fee, uh, open the doorknob fee, uh, like.

• 29:52Speaker 04

  I think it's just like a what the fuck fee. Like you're ordering fucking Taco Bell at 3 a.m.

• 29:56Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, right.

• 29:57Speaker 05

  I will say, that's my like number one way of wasting money though, is I love, I'll waste money on shit like that all the time. Like when I want something, I want it now. And I will pay $50 to have yogurt brought to my house. Yes.

• 30:10Laci Mosley?

  To have yogurt brought to my house. Bitch, I want a Chobani and I want it now. I don't care if it's $50. Throw in some granola, let's make it 100. Like, absolutely. But you know Taco Bell actually improved the quality of their beef. It's like 100% beef now. They upgraded like all of their foods and produce, but they didn't tell anybody because they didn't want their, this is how you know Taco Bell knows their clientele. They were like, we can't tell our raggedy ass customers that we made the food healthier cuz they might not come back. They, they're specifically coming for trash. So we can't, we can't tell them.

• 30:47Speaker 04

  There for. And actually, this is the first I've heard it of it and I'm a little offended.

• 30:52Laci Mosley?

  It's been that way for a while though. So you've eaten the, the improved Taco Bell.

• 30:56Speaker 04

  I don't know what it was before and I'm very scared. I didn't know it was 100%, not 100%.

• 31:01Laci Mosley?

  It's cool. You know, if you've had a McDonald's chicken nugget or a hot dog, it's all the same.

• 31:05Speaker 04

  It's the yoga mat, the yoga mat in the bread.

• 31:08Laci Mosley?

  Yoga mat tastes good, low key. I'm like, in Apocalypse, do I just munch on that?

• 31:13Speaker 05

  I might. I got plenty. I mean, maybe that's how much I love yoga. I'm willing to eat it.

• 31:18Laci Mosley?

  Right? Let me put some sauce on, on this yoga mat. See what it's doing. Alright guys, we're gonna take a quick break and we'll be right back.

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• 33:33Laci Mosley?

  And we are back and it's time for Historic Hidings. And y'all, this is gonna be a good one. I'm just gonna stay up top. I will post my Britney Spears toxic photo with a snake on the Instagram cuz I want y'all to see, like Britney, I love this woman so much. She influenced my life so much. Um, and she was just a bad bitch who got done dirty all around. And we have the experts here. Part of, like, the reason the Free Britney movement got popping, like, I'mma say it, y'all free Britney. I'mma say it. I'mma say it. You know, like, y'all got the key and y'all unlocked the jail cell. And, um, you know, you don't have to claim it, but I'm gonna claim it because it's obvious to me. When, if you saw the New York Times documentary about Britney,

• 34:17Laci Mosley?

  which I really, really loved, but you know, so they were in the New York Times documentary, they know all about this. We're talking about Britney Spears, we're talking about conservatorships. And, um, Babs, you were in the courtroom. Tess, did you go to the courtroom too?

• 34:29Speaker 05

  No, so they only let one person from each outlet go. So I've been in the courtroom a bunch of times. This time I was outside covering the protests and all the people that were outside and all that while Babs was inside.

• 34:38Laci Mosley?

  I love this. So you guys were both covering it. One from the inside, one from the outside. So we got all the tea. Love it.

• 34:44Speaker 04

  We've traded off. Tess was inside, you know, when Britney did her testimony.

• 34:49Laci Mosley?

  Oh, wow. That was, that testimony was popping. Yeah. Like, it was sad, but it was, it was like, she really.

• 34:57Speaker 04

  She went for it.

• 34:58Laci Mosley?

  Man, like, being a pop star in that day and age. Also, fuck Diane Sawyer. We gonna get into it. Uh, but fuck her. We'll talk about her later cuz that bitch is raggedy and we just all didn't notice. Like, what a raggedy bitch. So.

• 35:14Speaker 05

  She's lucky Matt Lauer got canceled first.

• 35:16Laci Mosley?

  Right. So if you guys don't know about what we're talking about, um, I'll give you some, uh, back, backstory. Since 2008, Britney Spears has remained under conservatorship by her father, Jamie Spears. Jamie, along with a series of other co-conservators, managers, and team members, have retained control of Britney's estate and life for 13 years to immense financial benefit. So before we get into this part, uh, the guardianship, have, did y'all go to the Britney Spears experience when they had it in LA?

• 35:48Speaker 05

  We did. We went for research. Yeah. Did you go?

• 35:51Laci Mosley?

  I felt like she was trying to talk to me. I went and how they did it was like, and I don't know if y'all, y'all maybe have had, like, had a VIP experience, but how they did it with us, obviously it's just a place to get Instagram photos. I will post some photos from the Britney Spears experience too. But they had these rooms that you would go into, right? Like y'all know. And it would be like rooms where they kind of replicated stuff from her music videos, or they had like pieces from things. And you couldn't leave the room, at least in my experience, you couldn't leave the room until the time was up. So we would get our photos off. My homegirl Liz, shout out to Liz Adams, and your beautiful baby. Um, well, she brought clothes. So she was like

• 36:31Laci Mosley?

  changing over her clothes to get all these Instagram photos. And I was, I was flicking away. I was like, hit them angles. Like, we were getting all these photos. I was crawling on the floor in the toxic airplane and shit. But they wouldn't let you leave each room until they were like, now you can leave. So you were with a group of people. We'd be like, we're good. Like, can't we keep walking? No. They wouldn't let us through the other doors. I was like, I'm trapped, just like Britney. Oh my God. And there was a room where they had the lockers in there from Hit Me Baby One More Time. And they were like, you can slip a note in the locker to send to Britney. And I was like, this feels like she's in prison.

• 37:04Speaker 05

  Well, and she was. And here's the deal with that though, too, is that whole shit went off without Britney's involvement. So that was the kind of like death nail of them like trying to squeeze as much as they could out of her likeness while she was on strike. So she had already said.

• 37:20Laci Mosley?

  She wasn't performing, yeah.

• 37:21Speaker 05

  She wasn't performing. She's like, I'm on a work stoppage. And they tried to get her at least come just show up, take a quick selfie. Be like, hey, guys, homegirl didn't come. She was like, absolutely not. So.

• 37:31Laci Mosley?

  And I love that for her.

• 37:32Speaker 04

  Me too. Me too.

• 37:35Laci Mosley?

  And I do have, did y'all see, obviously y'all saw, did y'all see the nudes that she posted with the flowers?

• 37:39Speaker 04

  Oh my God, yes. Of course. That's what's been so constant lately is like something huge will happen in her case and we're all freaking out. And then she's just like tits.

• 37:50Speaker 04

  Free the titties. Yeah, she's, she's just going for it. I mean, she literally, she's out from under her dad for the first time in, you know, 13 years. So I think she's just like, fuck you.

• 38:03Laci Mosley?

  A lot of people were like theorizing that like, they felt like she didn't post those pictures. Do you think she posted them?

• 38:10Speaker 04

  That's the constant debate.

• 38:11Speaker 05

  The constant debate. I think the nudes are B. Yeah, I do. I do.

• 38:15Laci Mosley?

  I love her so much. God, I love Britney. So let's get into it. Overview of the guardianship. According to the National Guardianship Association, guardianship is a legal process utilized when a person can no longer make or communicate safe or sound decisions about their person and/or property, because establishing a guardianship may remove considerable rights from an individual. Um, it should only be considered after alternatives to guardianship have proven ineffective or unavailable. So, you know, guardianship is like, this person is reckless, we're trying to keep them alive, like, we can't give them their money, they blowing it all on cocaine, you know, whatever it is. Like, and this is not, I'm not saying this is Britney's thing, but that, you know, that's how guardianship works

• 38:57Laci Mosley?

  for people who don't know. I know you guys know. Um, so in America, legal guardianship was designed as a tool only to be initiated as a last resort after the courts have determined that ever less restrictive alternative was exercised. So guys, if y'all haven't seen I Care A Lot.

• 39:14Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I love that movie so much. It's just a scammer versus the mob and it is my jam. And it talks about guardianship, but in this case of elderly people. Um, where a woman's basically a vulture and like gets doctors to say like, oh, she's seen now. Let's take her house.

• 39:30Speaker 04

  That is, yeah, that's like, you know, that's the big thing about Brittany's situation is it's brought to light that the reality, which is that it's a lot of elderly people who get scammed. Um, you know, there's a lot of disabled people who get into guardianships automatically when they turn 18. So it's really like a lot of people affected by this.

• 39:48Laci Mosley?

  Yes, and it's something that we absolutely have to revisit. And like if somebody's trying to put your granny in a guardianship, you better pull up on your granny and like, I don't know, move her in. Cause they trying to rob her. They usually only really try to put those guardianships on elderly people at least, on people who got some coins or some benefits coming in, just like disabled people like, you know, not all disabled people have benefits coming in, but I know some who do because of specific situations. Or I have a friend who got into a car crash and it was not her fault. Like I think the car hit her and she was like standing or something and she's been permanently in a wheelchair. So she does get money regularly. So these are the people that they're trying to come after because they want the coins. It's not about guardianship, like.

• 40:30Speaker 04

  No, and it's very, very difficult to get out of. So that's another really big thing about this is it's kind of like, you know, when you hit the factory reset button on your phone and it's like, you're not going to get those pictures back? That's what it's like when someone goes into guardianship. And so that's especially prevalent in Brittany's case because so much shit went wrong. And so many protocols were not followed the weekend that they locked her up and put her in this guardianship. But that one weekend ended up putting her in the situation that she wasn't able to get out of for 13 and a half years.

• 41:01Laci Mosley?

  Which is insane. So in practice, like, so basically, once someone's been declared incapacitated by a number of guardians, lawyers and expert witnesses, they lose basic human rights.

• 41:14Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 41:15Laci Mosley?

  Which is wild. They, so this can include their rights to vote, marry, start a family, decide where they live, consent to medical treatment, spend their money. Spend their money. Seek employment, own property, or crucially, the right to seek legal counsel. The system and the people that control it have directly contributed to the abuse and at times death of extremely concerning numbers of adults, many of whom who were fully capable of making their own decisions. So two, we're talking 20, 2006 to 2021, right?

• 41:55Laci Mosley?

  So in late 2007, Britney Spears was made famous for two incidents, shaving her head and shortly after attacking a paparazzi's car. Can I say that I love the New York Times documentary so much because they interviewed so many people and gave them enough rope to hang themselves and didn't react. Didn't react to the fact that they were saying crazy shit, including the paparazzo who took the pictures of Brittany bashing the car with the umbrella when she was bald. And I remember I was a kid at the time and I was like, oh, that's wild. And then I turned, I think she was like 26 at the time or? I turned 26 and I said, oh, that makes sense.

• 42:34Speaker 04

  Oh, a thousand, I mean, that's all most of us feel when we look back at that is you're like, oh, she was being stalked by 50 strangers every time she stepped outside her fucking door? Yeah, I'd be hitting their car with whatever I could get my hands on.

• 42:46Speaker 05

  If a man touches my back in a club, I'm likely to backhand him.

• 42:50Laci Mosley?

  That's what I was about to say, Tess. Like it wasn't even me empathizing with Brittany's specific situation. I turned 26 and I was like, I would love to hit cars with an umbrella. Life is trash. I was like, sis, go off, shave your hair. I'm about to shave my head and hit some cars with an umbrella. Like, I was like, this makes absolute sense. Like the ghetto and you're world famous and being stalked. Like you were saying, Babs, like, yes. And then when they broke down the stalker situation, for those of you who haven't seen the documentary, which I highly recommend, it's great. Um, so the paparazzo in question who took the pictures, he had been following Brittany all night. He went, like she went to go try to see her kids at Kevin, uh, wife beater's house. And, and then tried to come back, went to the gas station. They followed her the entire time.

• 43:35Laci Mosley?

  Then they took photos of her while she was sitting in the car, bald headed. And they were like all up on the dashboard, taking photos, taking photos. So she had taken so many photos and obviously against her will. Then when they kept going, that's when the umbrella incident happened and that woman was under duress. She was trying to see her kids. She unfortunately fucked a raggedy ass man. Like you should have learned from Char Jackson, girl. Like, don't fuck that man. I'm sure he had good dick, but put a condom on.

• 44:04Speaker 05

  Exactly. Here's a little trivia we learned while reporting this story. One of the people we interviewed on the show is Jason Alexander, Brittany's first husband, who, while Brittany was with K-Fed, Jason Alexander was dating Char Jackson.

• 44:19Laci Mosley?

  What?

• 44:20Speaker 04

  They made a swap. They made a swap.

• 44:21Speaker 05

  They made a swap. Yes.

• 44:24Laci Mosley?

  That shit happens more often than we think. Like Little Bow Wow has a baby with this woman named Joy. And Ciara, oh wait, Little Bow Wow has a baby with this woman named Joy. Ciara used to date Little Bow Wow. Ciara has a baby with Future. Joy also has a baby with Future.

• 44:43Speaker 05

  Whoa.

• 44:45Laci Mosley?

  They, they just been dating the same men and having kids. So it's like, what are we, are we siblings? Are we cousins? Like, what are we? Like? Love that for the industry.

• 44:55Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 44:56Laci Mosley?

  Right. Um, love Ciara. Glad she got with Russell Wilson and left the lean man behind. But I, I love that. But, but she was being stalked and this paparazzo in the documentary was like, nah, it was like a mutual relationship. Like she needed the paparazzi and we needed her. And like, I love Brittany. Like we had such a good time when she was bashing my car and with an umbrella and I was taking pictures. What?

• 45:23Speaker 04

  Oh yeah. He's like, no, she wanted it. And they were like, he was like, she didn't want us to stop. And they were like, well, what about when she said to stop? And he was like, yeah, but she didn't mean it.

• 45:31Laci Mosley?

  No, she didn't mean it. You know how women be saying no and they don't really mean no. You know, you a man.

• 45:36Speaker 05

  That's what we've learned over the last two years is when women say no, they don't mean it. So go ahead and do whatever you want without their consent.

• 45:42Laci Mosley?

  Right. Like consent, women don't know how to do that. You know, that's like, that used to be like all those problematic movies now from the nineties where there'd be guys at the table like, yeah, yeah, she was like all shy at first, didn't want to have sex with me. And then, yeah, yeah, we did. It's like the whole brag was like, she didn't want to, but then we did. What?

• 46:01Speaker 04

  The ghetto.

• 46:03Speaker 05

  And please, Brittany needed the paparazzi like a bad habit. She already, she was already putting out all these sick music videos. She was creating her own media. She was doing magazine cover shoots. She was getting exposure.

• 46:14Laci Mosley?

  Globally famous. Like she don't need your paparazzi exposure. Also paparazzi, y'all not trying to catch people in a good light because you get more money if they look raggedy. So like, she don't need that. Like the Kardashians used to call, and I don't know if they still do it, they probably do. But I used to work in a restaurant where they would come sometimes and they would wait in the lobby until the paparazzi came and then they would walk out. So they would call the paps, you know, like some people do.

• 46:39Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 46:39Laci Mosley?

  They were working it, you know? But Britney Spears, she be working bitch. Like she, she's good. So, you know, that was so weird because he just kept talking and I was like, bro, you don't understand how awful you sound.

• 46:54Speaker 04

  And then it's just, yeah, you fast forward and, you know, in our experience, that's what people were still associating her with, you know, this much later and saying, well, she shaved her head and she did this. So, you know, I guess it's okay that all her rights were taken away.

• 47:07Laci Mosley?

  Mm-hmm. And it's like, you don't know the context of what was happening. Like this woman was like, first of all, very young, globally famous and being stalked. Like, what do you think is gonna happen?

• 47:17Speaker 04

  And even not knowing the, it's like, okay, and like, what about all these motherfuckers who are like violently hurting people? And still, they can still vote? Like Jesus Christ.

• 47:27Laci Mosley?

  She hit a car with her umbrella and now she can't vote?

• 47:32Laci Mosley?

  If that's the case, they should take away all of our voting rights. Like we all have done some crazy shit. Honestly, they should, uh, half the country don't know how to vote anyway. So these incidents were brought on by extreme stress and grief and they cemented her image as crazy. Just like we just said, like she's stressed, she's grieving and they were like, oh, you're nuts. Like, we gonna take your money away. So she subsequently put on two involun, she was put on two involuntary psychiatric holds in the following weeks. The latter of which prompted the involvement from her father, Jamie Spears. So I don't, we don't have the context of Jamie Spears, but I know you guys remember and I remember from the documentary, like, at times he had like an alcohol problem. He had a bunch of failed businesses.

• 48:17Laci Mosley?

  The only thing that this raggedy ass man has ever been successful at was spitting some seed out and making Britney Spears. And so I think part of him, the insecurity of like not being successful and being a straight white man was like, this is all I got. So I don't even give a fuck if it's my daughter. Like, I'mma run it up. And also like I, he wasn't in the documentary, but he was, his, her brother was. And he says some real misogynistic shit that I was like, this must be what this household is looking like. Cause he also hung himself. He was like, you know, it's hard growing up with like lots of women in the house. They got opinions, they talking, you know what I mean? Why, why bitches trying to make choices for themselves? Basically. And I was like,

• 48:57Speaker 05

  Yeah. And no, he was recorded. He's like, here, this will set the record straight. Women can't drive.

• 49:03Speaker 04

  And then he also said about Brittany, like, yeah, she's always wanted to get out of the conservatorship. She's like, motherfucker, you're an idiot.

• 49:09Speaker 05

  Help her, you fool.

• 49:11Speaker 04

  Right. Jamie Spears, like we should say, you know, so on our podcast talks, we go really deep into the weekend she was conserved. And we do like catalog exactly all the ways it was insanely fucked up. But one of the biggest things to me that's so messed up is that she was not talking to Jamie when this all happened. He was not allowed in her home and he swooped in and took over her entire life.

• 49:35Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 49:35Speaker 04

  Like, it's just.

• 49:37Laci Mosley?

  Honestly, Brittany better than me because I, I might have to go and fight my dad. Like we gonna get into a physical altercation and you, you over 60, like I'mma win. I'm going for your knees first. Like, and then your hip. Like, I hope you got life alert because you gonna fall and not get up and we ain't gonna call nobody. Like, I hope that Brittany can flip this shit when she's finally, you know, the, the last hearings happen and she's out of this conservatorship. Because I want Jamie in a nursing home where they pinching them and they not changing the bed sheets regularly. Like I want the worst for him, you know?

• 50:13Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm.

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• 52:16Laci Mosley?

  On February 1st, 2008, a day after her second hole, Jamie ordered the Los Angeles County Supreme Court to put Brittany into an emergency temporary conservatorship at the age of 26. Judge Reva Goats named Jamie the conservative of Brittany's person while he and an attorney, Andrew Wallet, were named co-conservators of her estate. So important facts, she was not given five days advance notice as required by law, but this can be bypassed if a judge decides that they could suffer immediate and substantial harm. So if they already done put her in the psychiatric facility against her will, you know, I'm sure that they could convince a judge like, oh, well, she's already in a psychiatric facility. So we don't need to do that five days.

• 53:01Laci Mosley?

  You don't need time to get a lawyer like we just run it up.

• 53:04Speaker 04

  Yeah, they basically did it because she was hanging out with this guy, Sam Lutfi all the time. They didn't want him to know that she was in that about the hearing. So that's why they bypassed it. They said, Sam Lutfi can't find out about this, so why don't we just not tell Brittany?

• 53:17Laci Mosley?

  And isn't Sam Lutfi attached to other celebrities?

• 53:21Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 53:21Laci Mosley?

  Like Lindsay Lohan, I would say.

• 53:23Speaker 05

  He got up in Lindsay Lohan shit. He Courtney Love has a restraining order against him. He kind of is just like this guy that you're like, he's his own thing. Like, we don't know his backstory. He just kind of appeared out of the ether and got into Brittany's life and has kind of like gotten his fingers into the lives of a bunch of others.

• 53:40Laci Mosley?

  He's a scammer. There's people like that, especially around celebrity culture who will gas you up, listen to you, you don't have to say nothing, and then they'll manipulate you and you know, try to take your things. So according to a family friend, Jaclyn Butcher, she was asked to attend the proceedings in order to provide testimony, but instead, this is a quote, the whole process was maybe 10 minutes. No one testified, no questions were asked.

• 54:05Speaker 05

  Wow.

• 54:06Laci Mosley?

  In the state of California, there are three kinds of conservatorships. Brittany was under a probate conservatorship, which is the only one where the conservator of the person is appointed separately from the conservator of the estate, the person who handles the finances. The judge appointed a probate lawyer named Sam Ingham as Spears advocate against both her and her chosen lawyer's wishes. Damn, so then they also gave her a coin appointed lawyer?

• 54:30Speaker 04

  Yeah. And that's the whole, the crux of this whole thing. Like, this guy sucks. He did not represent his client well the past 13 plus years. And she wanted to get this other lawyer immediately. They said, eh, she doesn't have the capacity to hire her own lawyer, which was part of that lawyer she had was part of that decision too. He said, she doesn't have a capacity to hire her own lawyer. Why don't you hire me?

• 54:54Laci Mosley?

  Wow.

• 54:55Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 54:56Laci Mosley?

  So everybody was in on this fucking grift.

• 54:58Speaker 05

  Everyone. And so how also how they got, how they got her in this initial conservatorship is they said that she had dementia, but they didn't provide anything to back that up. They just told the judge, this 26 year old woman has dementia.

• 55:11Laci Mosley?

  Who is getting dementia at 26?

• 55:15Speaker 05

  And that's how many scammers we have involved here is no one in that courtroom asked that question.

• 55:20Laci Mosley?

  And everybody must've been getting a check or getting paid off because dementia at 26. First of all, when Brittany does concerts, she got 51 songs. She remembered all of those. Like, what is, where did the dementia come in?

• 55:34Speaker 04

  She would have been, yeah, she would have been the youngest ever recorded person to have it, if that was true.

• 55:40Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 55:40Speaker 04

  And then also they're supposed to get this other thing called a capacity declaration, which they never, that's like the key to getting a conservatorship. They never got it.

• 55:47Laci Mosley?

  It just seems like they, and it not even seems, it is like, everybody just made this very rushed decision. I don't know who got paid off allegedly, allegedly, but it sounds like some funds were involved because they ignored every aspect of the law to put her in this conservatorship. Obviously they got her a lawyer that she didn't want. And then granted conservators petitions to waive the requirement to notify her that any of this was happening. Right? So Ingham met with Brittany, this is the trash ass appointed lawyer, probably in a men's warehouse suit. Giving polyester, giving flammable, giving sweat, you know? Mm hmm. So she met, he met with Brittany for only 15 minutes after the conservatorship was granted,

• 56:30Laci Mosley?

  but has since retained the role and Brittany covers his annual salary of 520,000 fucking dollars.

• 56:39Speaker 05

  Yes. So this motherfucker who finally got fired in July, his only job is to advocate for his client, Brittany's wishes is incentivized to not advocate for her wishes.

• 56:52Laci Mosley?

  Right. Because if she's out of it, he's not gonna get money anymore. So why would he lose half a million dollars a year to actually help her?

• 57:01Speaker 05

  Exactly.

• 57:02Speaker 04

  And we know from our investigation and from the New York Times reporting and also Ronan Farrow and Gia Tolentino's reporting that she tried many, many times to get out of it. She spoke to him many times about how she wanted out and he never helped her. He never tried to terminate it.

• 57:20Laci Mosley?

  Scamming ass lawyer. I just see him showing up with, with a legal pad. She was like, okay, so these are, these are the reasons that we can get out of this. And, and she was, why, why aren't you writing Ingham? You, you ain't writing nothing now?

• 57:32Speaker 04

  Yeah. Oh, yeah.

• 57:33Laci Mosley?

  No, no, I got it all in my head. I got it all in my head. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I got it. Okay, so you want to be free? Yeah, yeah, yeah, we can work on freedom. So freedom probably gonna take like, um, two to 13 years. Um, for freedom. Yeah. It's a lot of paperwork. You know, they actually running out of paper. They don't want to kill no more trees. So I gotta wait for the paper to come in. I'm also out of printer ink, so you know, it's gonna take some time.

• 57:59Speaker 05

  Freedom's on back order right now. Sorry, we'll let you know.

• 58:02Speaker 04

  Yeah, this guy skated for so long, doing nothing and was charging that much money. And look, I've had those jobs, okay? Where I got in there, I barely did shit. I put in my time card. I was like, fuck, yeah. But what, like, not when there were someone's fucking rights at stake. That was not, you know, that was not what was going on.

• 58:24Laci Mosley?

  And that's why I go by the hands policy. And what the hands policy is, anybody who works with me, I always make a joke that's not a joke. And I'm like, yeah, because you know, if you steal from me, I'm gonna have to pop the trunk. And like, and then I laugh, but not too hard. I'm like,

• 58:42Laci Mosley?

  like, you, I'm not just gonna sue you, I'm gonna beat your ass. Like, what? And I got some cousins who can help. Like, I will find you and beat your motherfucking ass if you try to fuck me over. Like, that's the conversation I have with anybody who's anywhere near my money. Like,

• 58:58Speaker 05

  And, and, and throughout this entire conservatorship, not only did she have her hands totally tied by not being able to hire an attorney. So we all know you're completely fucked in the American legal system if you don't have a attorney fighting for you. They're also using her children as a means of coercing her. They would say, do this or you don't see your kids. Do you go on stage or you're not gonna see your kids this weekend? So it literally is like this motherfucker broke onto her property, broke and entered onto her property, essentially took her hostage and held her that way.

• 59:30Laci Mosley?

  Which is just so wild. And that's so complicated because this is your father. You grew up with this man. He probably didn't change no diapers. He doesn't give like hands on, but you know, like when you were building your career, he was there when y'all were going to New York back and forth. Like, you know, like, so it's just.

• 59:47Speaker 05

  He wasn't there though, actually.

• 59:49Laci Mosley?

  Right, it was the nanny lady, right? What's her name? She was the only person I liked in that documentary because she seemed sweet. She seemed really sweet. Everybody else, I was like, can we beat their ass once, once they take the mic back off? Like, it should just be somebody outside whooping ass as people walk out.

• 1:00:06Speaker 04

  My, my favorite part is that in that documentary is one of Jamie's lawyers, Vivian Thorin, who previously worked on the case. She was the only person like, you know, on that side to talk. And she can, she ended up after that, going back and be, becoming a part of the team again. And now she's their mouthpiece. And she says on that documentary, um, I've never seen a conservatorship terminated before. So maybe it's about to happen.

• 1:00:34Laci Mosley?

  I hope so. Wait, so she was the mouthpiece of Brittany's team or of Jamie's?

• 1:00:39Speaker 04

  Jamie's team.

• 1:00:39Laci Mosley?

  You know why they did that? Fucking optics. They were like, it looks like we're a bunch of straight white men oppressing this woman. We better get a woman over here so it'll look fair. And it's like, what are you trying to give us? Girl boss? Like, we need more prison guards that are women. Feminism. We need more murderers that are women. Feminism? No. What?

• 1:00:59Speaker 04

  No, this lady's got on TV, they paid from Brittany's money, because Brittany, let's just say, pays for all of Jamie's lawyers, and pays to be put in this, you know, stay in this situation.

• 1:01:09Speaker 05

  So while she had raggedy ass fucking Costco suit, who I personally witnessed eating Cheez-Its out of a Ziploc bag while waiting for court. While she had that schlubby motherfucker in her corner, she was paying for her dad to hire the best legal team money could buy to fight against her.

• 1:01:26Laci Mosley?

  Which is completely unethical. Hire your own fucking legal team, you broke bitch. Like, oh my god, Brittany, you better than me, because I might, I might have to hit my dad over the head with a pipe. Like, like, we fighting. Like, I don't care about the legal stuff. In court, if you come into court, I'm gonna beat your motherfucking ass. And I'm also gonna make sure you don't have no money. I want you to live in squalor for the rest of your life. I'd be like, mama, you better divorce him, because if you don't, y'all gonna be living in a shack, because I'm gonna take everything. I would go after a civil suit. I would, I would sue that motherfucker for everything he had. Like, what? So, continuing. A month after being determined incapable, Brittany was back at work. Wow, I thought she had dementia. How's she gonna remember the steps? Okay.

• 1:02:10Laci Mosley?

  Taking on a role on How I Met Your Mother. What was supposed to be a temporary conservatorship was made indefinite in October 2008 by Judge Gates, with Jamie retaining control over his daughter. Brittany continued working, releasing albums, touring, and appearing on The X Factor. Brittany attempted to seek representation from a lawyer, John Erdley, and Jamie Spears launched an attack that destroyed his career as, he did not obtain a conservatorship's consent to represent Brittany. Which,

• 1:02:40Speaker 05

  Get this.

• 1:02:40Laci Mosley?

  You already know.

• 1:02:41Speaker 05

  So, so basically, while Brittany's in the hospital, she finds this guy, who's like, Judah, get me out of here. I need someone to get me out of here. He shows up in court on Monday. The, the raggedy lawyer is like, oh, no, no, she can't hire her own lawyer. No, she doesn't have the capacity. So that guy leaves, right? They issued an order that day, saying that Brittany isn't allowed to meet with any other lawyers unless she gets Jamie's permission first.

• 1:03:04Laci Mosley?

  Which, I mean, the court system is so deeply unethical, but this is just insanity. Like, what? She can't, and also, if she's not of the capacity to hire a lawyer, why y'all got her out here hitting the ones and the twos and, and, and singing, uh, I'm a slave for you? If she can't, if she can't work? What is happening?

• 1:03:27Speaker 05

  Why are you gonna make her, she can't work, but you're literally gonna write a song for her called Work Bitch?

• 1:03:33Laci Mosley?

  Right. Like, what? I think she, she worked that. So what are we doing? In 2011, Brittany's charity organization, the Brittany Spears Foundation, went bankrupt, but not before sending $50,000 to Mercy Ministries, an organization with strong ties to Lou Taylor, Brittany's much-disliked business manager, and Lou's husband. So now they sending $50,000 to charity.com. We know where that money went, and it did not go to nobody's charity.

• 1:03:59Speaker 04

  And this charity is like one of those places where they send girls who are pregnant to convince them that the devil will kill them if they have an abortion, and they try to do gay conversion therapy. This is not a good.

• 1:04:11Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:04:11Speaker 04

  Not a good place.

• 1:04:12Speaker 05

  Gay icon Brittany Spears, without her consent, donated a bunch of money to an anti-gay organization.

• 1:04:20Laci Mosley?

  So, the previous year, Lou Taylor had tried to put Lindsay Lohan under conservatorship, perhaps after seeing how lucrative it was to have Brittany. So then they were like, let's get all the girls who got some residuals coming, uh, let's lock them up and take their money. Which is wild. Members of Brittany's team also questioned Taylor's financial, this is Lou Taylor, financial management during her tours. In a quote, "Money was wasted in a particular way, and when I asked a question, I got shut down because nobody wanted to admit fault." So, they on tour, and they're like, yeah, we gonna need a couch from Living Spaces for Brittany in the, in the, uh, it's on her rider. She's also gonna need three lamps from CB2, and, um,

• 1:05:06Laci Mosley?

  also a mortgage payment on my house for the concert. Like, we're like, what are y'all spending money on?

• 1:05:11Speaker 05

  Literally. We, so part of like, for, we did this one episode that was just all about her money, and we went through like, all the accounting reports for the last 12 years. Brittany, who's not allowed to drive her alone in her own car, is in that situation, but her security guards and other people, we saw on her accounting reports, like, hundreds of thousands of dollars a year in auto purchases. So these motherfuckers who are keeping her detained in her own house are driving around in Maseratis and shit. While she can't drive.

• 1:05:41Laci Mosley?

  During this time, Brittany was isolated from much outside communication. She either had friends sneak her phones, or borrowed phones from strangers, as hers were often taken away, disconnected, or mirrored to her lawyer's phones.

• 1:05:59Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:05:59Laci Mosley?

  It's, like, this is, I'm sorry, guys, this is a rough episode, because I'm just like, I just wanna beat everybody's ass.

• 1:06:06Speaker 04

  That's the general takeaway from most of her story.

• 1:06:10Laci Mosley?

  I'm like, bro, y'all can't just get away with like, oh, she's free from the conservatorship. Blood must be shed. I'm not saying kill anybody, but you know, within inches of their life. Make them think they gonna die. Like, what the hell?

• 1:06:24Speaker 05

  I think when Jamie does his, uh, walk into jail, all of us should line the streets, just tapping umbrellas in our hand.

• 1:06:31Laci Mosley?

  Right. We need to go fucking Game of Thrones. I want shame. Shame. I'll be out there with a bell, do, do, do, shame. Shame. And I want people throwing rocks, and not big rocks, small, tiny, painful rocks, as he walks in. Like, I'm gonna be outside selling rocks, y'all. Selling rocks and bells, because something has to happen to this man. So around 2015, the tone of Brittany's Instagram changed, and like, y'all know Brittany's Gram is y'all thing, so this is, I know y'all know all about this. While before it had been mostly impersonal account postings and promo material, there now appeared to be an actual person behind the post, and that person was actually Brittany.

• 1:07:11Laci Mosley?

  This marked the change in Brittany's freedom to communicate with the world, and new subject of cultural fascination prompted our guests on the show today, right? That's why y'all are here. So Tess Barker and Barbara Gray, uh, created the podcast Brittany's Gram in 2017. In 2019, Brittany went silent on social media for several months following Jamie falling ill, and her co-conservatorship, Andrew Wallet, resigned with $100,000 of a parting payment.

• 1:07:38Laci Mosley?

  The following month, TMZ broke that she had been checked into a mental health facility. Two weeks later, you guys, the hosts of Brittany's Gram, received an anonymous voicemail from a paralegal previously connected to the conservatorship, and alleged that Brittany had been at the facility for months, forced there against her will. So I remember this, I listened to this episode where you guys had the voicemail. Do you have any more details about that voicemail, or like, obviously, like, guys, listen to Brittany's Gram and you can hear it too, but?

• 1:08:05Speaker 04

  Yeah, if it's, um, you know, the episode 75, it's called hashtag Free Brittany of Brittany's Gram. And we kind of do a good walk-up to like, what had been going on at the time, and, you know, all the stuff that had been going on, but it was wild. Yeah, we got it in the, you know, late, Tess was editing late one night, saw this, we just had random voicemails at the end of our show that are usually like funny, stupid insights into like, what we were been talking about, because our show is a comedy show, you know, we talk about her minion memes and shit. And then we got this voicemail from a whistleblower, you know, who'd worked at a law firm involved with Brittany's case, saying like, she's there against her will, she's been there for months, confirmed a lot of fears that we all had, and we stayed in contact with him after that via text, and he told us some other details.

• 1:08:49Speaker 04

  But yeah, we, we had a huge decision to make, which was like, fuck, are we gonna put this out into the world? It was scary as hell. But we talked, you know, with each other, we talked with legal experts to try and protect ourselves as much as we could, and we just said, all right, let's fucking go for it. We dropped it in the middle of the night.

• 1:09:06Laci Mosley?

  I love that y'all did that. I just say wild shit, and then I'd be like, y'all pay for my abugado fund. I'd be driving around, taking pictures of billboards and the sides of buses, just waiting for the day I get sued. So I, I appreciate y'all's due diligence. So you dropped us in the middle?

• 1:09:19Speaker 05

  It was kind of scary, because like, that episode, we were very careful about being like, yes, allegedly, this is what's happening, because we knew a lot of people were gonna listen to it, but prior to that, we had just been running our mouths.

• 1:09:29Laci Mosley?

  And allegedly doesn't cover you legally. I'd be throwing, I'd be sprinkling allegedly's in, especially the Sean King episode. And then my, one of my producers was like, I hope you know that doesn't protect you legally. I was like, wow.

• 1:09:42Speaker 04

  Oh, fuck. Oh, no.

• 1:09:44Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 1:09:45Speaker 04

  Yeah, we, we dropped it, um, because we were like scared it would get, try to get taken down or something, so we dropped it in the middle of the night, and the next morning, it was fucking everywhere already.

• 1:09:55Laci Mosley?

  Everywhere. It was so huge. And like, shout out to that paralegal. Y'all, if you want to become a paralegal, like, just watch daytime TV. They'll tell you what, uh, online schools you can go to. Phoenix, um, you know, the black man who used to yell at us, like, get off your couch. It's 2:00 in the afternoon, why you don't got no job? Come to Everest, you raggedy bitch, and be a paralegal, or a Bill and the Codin expert.

• 1:10:22Laci Mosley?

  So I love this paralegal who was like, bitch, I ain't got no law degree. I don't need to, I'm about to live there. Like, I love that. I love that for them. So, it was during this time that the Free Brittany movement really began gaining momentum, and conspiracies among fans began developing when her Instagram grew a little strange.

• 1:10:42Laci Mosley?

  There's a hyperlink here. Can y'all click on that for me? So Jamie and Lou Taylor sued fans on defamation after it was alleged that Brittany's team was altering her Instagram to make it appear like she was mentally unwell. So Brittany had a moment where she loved to do these videos, and also like, Brittany, low-rise pants got a hold on the, like, we let them go, they're terrible, but her body is fantastic. So she can still wear them, but we all let low-rise pants go. We canceled them. I will fight Levi's, any store that tries to roll them back out, because why I gotta show my coochie, the top of my coochie, when I'm wearing pants?

• 1:11:25Laci Mosley?

  But she looks so good in them, but there's these videos that she's doing where she was like twirling, and like, walking back and forth, and showing off little outfits and stuff. And so people thought that this was like strange.

• 1:11:36Speaker 04

  And this, the biggest one with this one is, people had said in her comments, like, you know, wear a yellow shirt if you, if you're scared, if you need help, wear a yellow shirt. So then in this post, she's wearing a yellow shirt, and she says, I was so excited, I threw on my favorite yellow shirt. So of course, everyone just goes.

• 1:11:54Speaker 05

  Well, and at the time, even I was like, y'all, I don't, I think that's probably just a coincidence, but now that we know that the extent of the recording in the bedroom, and the all of that, I think it's very likely that she saw that and was like, yeah, yellow, yellow.

• 1:12:11Laci Mosley?

  And I mean, I would also say maybe it's a cry for help, because she was like, and I threw on my favorite yellow shirt. That's yellow.

• 1:12:19Speaker 04

  Yeah, she was really like, wink.

• 1:12:22Laci Mosley?

  Wings. I'm walking back and forth cuz I cannot leave.

• 1:12:27Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:12:27Laci Mosley?

  And I'm wearing the yellow, which means caution tape, which means crime. I, I love this. I love these wings. Now, wait, I have to double back test. You said recording in the bedroom. What, what do you mean about that?

• 1:12:41Speaker 05

  So this is, the New York Times dropped a second documentary the Friday before her hearing. So this is, I guess, last week. They, on end of September, they dropped a second documentary where they spoke with a security person who had deflected from her security team, who had been on the security team for like 10 years. And he broke down all the ways they were surveilling Brittany throughout this time. And this is something that Babs and I encountered a lot cuz we talked to a lot of people that are close to Brittany and have known her different periods in her life. And it was like a re, a lot of people would say, I feel like it's bugged every time I talk to her. I feel like our conversations are being surveilled. This security guard said they had signed, they had an iPad that was signed into her iCloud.

• 1:13:21Speaker 05

  So they were monitoring every text, every email, her, they had her iCloud and they were recording inside her bedroom.

• 1:13:32Laci Mosley?

  Oh my.

• 1:13:32Speaker 05

  Said they've recorded over 180 hours in her bedroom. In her bedroom.

• 1:13:37Laci Mosley?

  That is absolutely unhinged. Also, I learned from football players who be cheating on their wives and girlfriends. You can just turn off like, uh, iMessage and then your shit won't go to the cloud. Cuz I remember like getting green texts and my friends getting green texts from somebody like on the Seahawks that we were like going to bars and shit with. And they were green. And then when I saw him, I was like, but you got an iPhone. And he was like, oh, yeah, I turned the iMessage thing off so that it don't go to the cloud. Yeah, so. Brittany, turn that iMessage off, baby, girl.

• 1:14:12Speaker 04

  I will say, you're giving up, you're becoming a, a green texter then. And that, I don't know if it's worth it to me.

• 1:14:18Laci Mosley?

  Very embarrassing. It is. Cuz like honestly, if you have green texts, I will stop talking to you. And that's, that's cuz I'm in the cult of Apple. They made them such a doo doo green. I can't look at them.

• 1:14:28Speaker 05

  No, no, no. And then we're not trying to be in a group text with you, getting a separate text every time someone likes something.

• 1:14:33Laci Mosley?

  It's so exhausting. Won't y'all just join the cult? I mean, yeah, your Android phones are superior.

• 1:14:39Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:14:39Laci Mosley?

  And yeah, they're more durable. Yeah, our phones break every other day and they're fully made of glass, but we're, come on, get a blue text.

• 1:14:47Speaker 05

  Exactly.

• 1:14:49Laci Mosley?

  So Brittany's net worth, um, so, and the intentional ambiguity about her net worth. Over the last 13 years, working, whether she wanted to or not, due to the terms of her conservatorship, Brittany made four albums, did three world tours and endorsed a number of products and made television appearances. While Brittany was on tour in a residency in Las Vegas, she made at times $300,000 a night. On The X Factor, she earned 15 million. However, regardless of how much money she made, she was only allowed a weekly allowance of $2,000.

• 1:15:21Speaker 04

  Two thousand, there's stories of her going to dinner with a friend and not being able to pay.

• 1:15:27Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:27Speaker 04

  Like, you're Brittany fucking Spears.

• 1:15:33Laci Mosley?

  Imagine you go to dinner with Britney Spears and she like, hold on, let me check my bank account. How much did y'all say it is? Wait, who ordered the margarita? Cuz I ain't get no margarita. Um, we, are we splitting this equally? Like, it's Brittany fucking Spears. And she over here gotta buy clothes from Shein and shit. Cuz she ain't got no damn money, even though she working like a slut.

• 1:15:56Speaker 04

  She loves those clothes, though. I mean, to be fair.

• 1:15:58Speaker 05

  But, but I mean, there's, that was another thing in this most recent New York Times documentary.

• 1:16:01Laci Mosley?

  I didn't say Shein was bad. She'd be having cute clothes. I'm just saying like, she works so hard and $2,000 a week? Like, I know to, you know, an average person, that sounds like a lot of money. But if you are a world famous person and you wanna go hit Astros or you wanna like live the life that you've worked so hard for, $2,000 a week might be tough. Girl, you can't even get no Valentinos for that.

• 1:16:26Speaker 04

  No, no, no, no. When you look at all the money everyone around her is making too, I mean, Jamie was making $16,000 a month as her conservator. He also made a percentage of her shows. So he was incentivized to keep her working. Even when she was sick, she would come on stage and say, I have 104 degree fever. And he was in charge of her well-being, you know, it's just, it's so gross.

• 1:16:46Laci Mosley?

  And she got on stage and said, I have a 104 degree fever. And they were like, man, and then, and then, and then just started the show.

• 1:16:54Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:16:54Laci Mosley?

  What?

• 1:16:55Speaker 05

  Yes. Yes. And, I mean, they were restricting her shit to the point, that's another thing they talk about in the New York Times documentary that just came out. She would be like, I want sushi. And they'd be like, Britt, sushi's too expensive. I'm sorry, you can't have sushi. I want some Skechers. Skechers. We're not talking about Louboutins. Skechers.

• 1:17:14Laci Mosley?

  This is, I'm trying to get the ones that like make your booty tight, the ones with the lips. Like, all I wanna do is.

• 1:17:20Speaker 04

  Those shape ups.

• 1:17:21Laci Mosley?

  All I want is some shape ups. She can't get no damn shape ups?

• 1:17:24Speaker 05

  No.

• 1:17:26Laci Mosley?

  Oh my God, Brittany, I'm so sorry. Not you can't even get no damn shape ups. She said, Brittany, I want some Crocs. They said, you can have some Crocs, but you can't have no add-ons. You can't have no pins. You can't afford that, okay? And we getting you last season cuz you can't afford the new ones. We're going to the clearance section. What the hell? So despite a massive amount of income, her work has produced, Britney Spears' net worth appears to be $60 million, a fraction of her peers. And like, that's because she been getting robbed. Like, she getting robbed by everybody. Hell, everybody, everybody joined up and was like, we all gonna do a robbery together.

• 1:17:59Speaker 04

  She's been getting robbed and they also under-report her IP. They are not requi, so every year, they have these accounting reports that go through the conservatorship. We have read these things line by line by line. They're hundreds of pages long. And they're supposed to report out all the money she makes. They don't report any of her IP. They said, uh, sorry, it's too hard. We can't report it.

• 1:18:20Laci Mosley?

  And IP for you guys who don't know is intellectual property.

• 1:18:23Speaker 05

  Yeah. So that would be like her song royalties, every time she shows up in a commercial, her everything, everything that makes Britney Spears, Britney Spears, her perfumes. Yeah. And her perfume empire is like, it's one of the most lucrative perfume empires of any celebrity.

• 1:18:37Laci Mosley?

  Listen, I will say that like, Britney Spears perfume, I personally like, didn't like to smell it on myself. But when I would wear that shit, oh, the man would come running. He'd be like, oh, you smell so good. Oh, you smell like, you smell like a little, a little sexy teenager.

• 1:18:56Speaker 05

  Smell like little red jeans.

• 1:18:58Laci Mosley?

  Right. Like, she, her perfumes be popping. They're popping. And I definitely.

• 1:19:04Speaker 04

  They made a shitload of money.

• 1:19:05Speaker 05

  And we talked to an intellectual property expert who said that a, the average celebrity perfume can bring in $20 million a year.

• 1:19:12Laci Mosley?

  Wow.

• 1:19:12Speaker 05

  So this starts to add up to like a shitload of money that's not really being accounted for.

• 1:19:17Laci Mosley?

  She had multiple too. What was it? Did she have fantasy?

• 1:19:20Speaker 04

  She has, she's released 25 since she's been conserved. She has over 30 in her name, but 25 since she's been conserved.

• 1:19:27Laci Mosley?

  And they smell good. Like, she really probably took Victoria's Secret's perfume out of business because.

• 1:19:34Speaker 04

  Yep, yep. I'm done, no more Body Splash. She's single-handedly.

• 1:19:38Laci Mosley?

  She's single-handedly ruined Body Splash.

• 1:19:43Laci Mosley?

  Cuz since we all had a Body Splash back in the day, you had to splash it on your body.

• 1:19:47Speaker 05

  Body toasted sugar vanilla, no more.

• 1:19:51Laci Mosley?

  Toasted sugar vanilla. Ooh, that one had a hold on the girls. That was a popular one. Mm-hmm. And one that was fruity, that was pink.

• 1:20:00Speaker 05

  Raspberry, yes, the raspberry one.

• 1:20:02Laci Mosley?

  I was a raspberry hoe, honey.

• 1:20:04Speaker 04

  Why didn't we think smelling like vanilla was a good idea? We're like, just like a straight up cookie.

• 1:20:10Laci Mosley?

  Listen, cuz, yeah, cuz then the, then the man would be like, oh, you smell like a cookie. Give me that cookie. Give me that cookie, right? We, we wanted to smell edible. I'm like, let me put this brownie Body Splash on and get the, get the, get the girls to the yard.

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• 1:22:23Laci Mosley?

  So.

• 1:22:25Laci Mosley?

  Which, so they're not reporting all of her intellectual property, right? This is, this is insidious of how conservatorships can work. Um, basically, any shady dealings are not done behind closed doors. And in this case, the court gave Jamie Spears full permission to not include Brittany's highly valuable IP in her assets. Because the court was just like, we doing crime with you, like, we, we love it. So there are records of his spending and everything he was paid from the estate. And it had to be approved by the court, yet somehow the only people who truly benefited from any financial decisions were Jamie and team members he helped appoint. As of 2021, Jamie Spears has collected at least $5 million from his daughter, at least.

• 1:23:07Speaker 05

  At least.

• 1:23:08Laci Mosley?

  They're not disclosing all the.

• 1:23:09Speaker 05

  Underlying bull that talicized that because.

• 1:23:13Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, cuz they're not disclosing everything, so he definitely got more than that. So around half is from the $16,000 that you guys mentioned, monthly conservatorship fee that Brittany's required to pay out. In 2014, Jamie positioned the courts to receive compensation from Brittany's Las Vegas residency. He petitioned the courts to get that coin, and y'all said this. In addition to the allowances and rent allotment he already received, he claimed 1.5% of gross revenue from the show and the merchandise due to creating significant savings and value for the estate through his efforts. Quote, what? Bitch, you're not contributing shit. Like, Jamie, you have no talent, you suck.

• 1:23:57Laci Mosley?

  You are a raggedy, raggedy bitch. You're not even basic, you're below basic. Like, you're not even doing the minimum as a human being, just sucking up all the white man's air, wasting space. Get out of here.

• 1:24:11Laci Mosley?

  So during her June 2021 statement, Brittany said, "It makes no sense whatsoever for the estate of California to sit back and literally watch me with their own eyes make a living for so many people and pay so many people trucks and buses on tour, on the road with me, and being told that I'm not good enough. It's been a long time since I've owned my money and it's my wish and my dream for all of that to end."

• 1:24:37Speaker 05

  Yeah, I was sobbing. I was in the courtroom when she said that, and it was the whole thing. It was just like, oh, yes, girl, like, yes. To think about what it took for her, the balls it took for her to make that statement, knowing that, and this is what happened, that court session ended and those same motherfuckers were in charge of her. She called 911 on them the day before cuz she was so scared, and she still went ahead with it. I mean, just.

• 1:25:06Laci Mosley?

  Like, the California court system, y'all really failed Brittany in a way that's just baffling to me. Like, I can't, like, all of y'all, like, this judge should be disbarred, all of these lawyers should be disbarred. Like, y'all are criminals, this is criminal behavior. Like, it's a court of law, y'all were like vibes, laws are vibes, like, we not. Yeah, yeah, we saw what it said in, in the Constitution, and we, we saw what it said in the law, but you know, that's more of a, like, a, you know, it's like a breeze, like, you can't see it, you just feel it, like, what are y'all doing? This is so gross. So the beginning of the end of the conservatorship.

• 1:25:46Laci Mosley?

  In September 2019, Jamie stepped down as primary conservator, but retained conservatorship of the state, the estate, which, like, that's all he fucking wanted, he don't give a shit about Brittany, he just wanted to steal her fucking money. Despite growing scrutiny, and even Sam Inhams showing up to support the Free Brittany Movement, the conservatorship was extended until September 2021. So, one of Jamie's lawyers said during a Good Morning America interview, "Brittany knows that her daddy loves her," in response to negative comments regarding Jamie. Note, Brittany is 39. I don't know, I can't speak for Brittany, but I don't know if I could love a man who did this to me.

• 1:26:25Laci Mosley?

  Like, I think love is out the window. Love don't live here anymore.

• 1:26:32Laci Mosley?

  Well, he showed up, like, oh, no, love moved out. Yeah, like, 13 years ago, love left, packed his suitcase and dipped. Love is in the Caymans.

• 1:26:40Speaker 05

  Never, I don't even know if love ever showed up to the party, cuz this, this guy was a fucking abusive piece of shit her.

• 1:26:45Laci Mosley?

  Not on his side, but I'm sure maybe on hers, like, even if, you know, you have a, a parent who's abusive or a, a romantic partner who is, like, a lot of times there's still love there. So, which is not good, it's toxic, but it's like, it's your father. It's just, so, it was also around this time that Brittany seriously began fighting to have Jamie removed as her conservator entirely, and a judge appointed Bessemer Trust Company of California as a co-conservator and, as a Band-Aid at the request of Brittany. So she was like, can we at least get somebody who is looking at his spending? Like, can somebody watch him? Cuz y'all, like, everybody watching me, you know, I go in the bedroom,

• 1:27:27Laci Mosley?

  I, I can't even get on Pornhub on my phone and, and, and have a good time without somebody listening, that's crazy.

• 1:27:34Speaker 05

  Can we get a screen share on one of these Excel sheets, please? Thank you.

• 1:27:38Laci Mosley?

  Right. The bedroom? I'm like, I can't even fart in peace? No, no. So, professional conservator, Jody Montgomery, was also appointed as Brittany's personal conservator. In June of 2021, Brittany addressed the court for the first time in two years. This is the one that you were at, Tess, right? So she gave her own detailed and passionate account about the abuse that she suffered at the hands of her team, family, and others over the past 13 years. At the beginning of 2021, Jamie Spears formally filed to terminate the conservatorship, which, what do you think motivated that? Do you think it was like the press, like, what do you think?

• 1:28:18Speaker 05

  I think he was, his back was against the wall at that point, so there wasn't really gonna be any, like, I stick around and get to keep this job. And I think he realized that. Now, if he had gotten what he wanted and the conservatorship had just been ended on Wednesday, this, this hearing that we just went to, then it would have been like, from what I understand, it would have been like, okay, close up shop, close the door, all set, Brittany, go home. But it would have made it a lot more difficult for Brittany's new lawyer to do discovery against Jamie, to get access to all the books and all the sealed communications and all the documents that have been going on for the 13 years, and go after these guys. So that's why Jamie wanted it to end, so he could walk away scot-free.

• 1:28:56Laci Mosley?

  So he was like, oh, yeah, yeah, we can get out of this, uh, Jamie's over here burning, burning all the paperwork, deleting everything in his computer, throwing, throwing, throwing his laptops in the ocean.

• 1:29:06Speaker 05

  Yeah, like Lucy in The Chocolate Factory, just putting Lamborghinis in his mouth and in his pants.

• 1:29:12Laci Mosley?

  Hide all these gold bricks. I don't know why I bought so many gold bricks.

• 1:29:18Laci Mosley?

  Put that Gucci away, we gotta pretend we's poor.

• 1:29:23Laci Mosley?

  And, and, and this is a non sequitur, but, and, cuz we're getting to the end of my information, but there's still some, a few more things I wanna talk about, and then we'll, uh, hop to the end of the show. But, did y'all see Ja, uh, Brittany Spears' little sister Jamie performing her songs places?

• 1:29:40Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:29:41Speaker 04

  I did not watch it, but I did hear about it.

• 1:29:45Laci Mosley?

  What was that?

• 1:29:47Speaker 04

  Well, Jamie Lynn is her own, like, just a tragic figure.

• 1:29:52Speaker 05

  American tragedy.

• 1:29:54Laci Mosley?

  And just to also contribute to the stress and distress that Brittany was under, I gotta talk about Diane motherfucker Sawyer.

• 1:30:01Speaker 05

  Please.

• 1:30:02Laci Mosley?

  This raggedy bitch.

• 1:30:06Laci Mosley?

  So, there were, at the time, you know, Brittany was really seeing some more, I think that all the girls, the pop girls at this time, went through this phase of like, I'm not Disney anymore, I'm dirty. Like, I'm gonna put oil in my hair, and, and I'm gonna be Christina Aguilera with some highlight, some blonde hair on top and some black hair on the bottom, and I'mma roll around in oil and get dirty. You know, so Brittany was doing, like, you know, her music videos, and, like, she's a beautiful girl, and, you know, was wearing gorgeous fits and dancing and shit. And, uh, there was a politician who was like, I would shoot Brittany for what she's doing to our children, which they only put that on women and gay people, cuz men be, you know, they'd never get that.

• 1:30:49Laci Mosley?

  If we're doing that, Jenny White should also be shot, and also D'Angelo. He has a full video where he's just naked, spinning around, oiled up, and that did a lot for me.

• 1:30:58Speaker 05

  And that's fine, you know, and you know what, for what it's worth, I would like that to continue.

• 1:31:02Laci Mosley?

  Right, I would love it, I want everybody to continue to get oiled up and naked, I love to see it. But, but, you know, so this politician was attacking her. Diane brought this up in an interview and was like, what do you say to this woman who says that she wants to shoot you? Cuz a lot of people do, and Brittany was like, well, that's a horrible thing to say, basically. And she was like, yeah, but also, like, don't you see why people wanna shoot you? Like, what the fuck?

• 1:31:26Speaker 05

  Yeah, like, first of all, you know, we're all like, people on the internet, we've all probably had terrible things said to us, and we mute and block that person, there's always some motherfucker. Can you imagine being on an on-camera interview and this person's like, hey, you know the meanest, most violent person the shittiest troll has ever said? I'm gonna read it back to you, cuz I'm sure that's fun to hear again, and, uh, also.

• 1:31:45Speaker 04

  Tell me why this is your fault.

• 1:31:46Speaker 05

  They have a point, right? Yeah.

• 1:31:48Laci Mosley?

  You know what's so, should shoot you? Like, what the hell? Diane Sawyer deserves to catch hands, like, she needed her ass beat for that. Brittany was so composed in that interview, she was so kind, she was so thoughtful and sweet, at the hands of a fucking, like, just disgusting bitch, like.

• 1:32:06Speaker 04

  You know what's so gross, too, is like, they were just, they could say anything they wanted to Brittany. There was obviously no filter, you know, they constantly were asking her about her virginity, they would say fucked up shit like that to her in interviews. And then she got into the conservatorship with the same team, basically, and they wouldn't allow, they, that's when they decided, oh, we have stipulations for these interviews, you cannot ask her about her conservatorship. They would not let her talk about anything involving that and how controlled she was. So it's like, oh, cool, you'll step in when it'll cover your ass, but you'll just totally let her be out there and let anyone say.

• 1:32:40Laci Mosley?

  Who the fuck was her publicist at the time? Because, I'm sorry, like, in the middle of that Diane interview and all those, you know, interviews about her and Justin Timberlake, also fuck Justin Timberlake, like, why did the PR person just step in, like, ah, interview's over? Because the, the fuck? Like.

• 1:32:59Speaker 05

  Exactly.

• 1:33:00Laci Mosley?

  She better than me.

• 1:33:00Speaker 04

  They were never there, they were never protecting her when she needed it. Ever.

• 1:33:05Speaker 05

  Well, and I think that's why the Britney story is so infuriating, because is that not just the story of being a woman in this world?

• 1:33:10Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:33:11Speaker 05

  Nobody has your back. Nobody.

• 1:33:13Laci Mosley?

  Especially as a black woman.

• 1:33:14Speaker 05

  Seriously.

• 1:33:15Laci Mosley?

  Screaming to the, unless, unless they want us to work for them and be their mules. They're like, can y'all get behind this mu- movement, necrosis? We, we will never credit you or pay you for your labor. Like, what?

• 1:33:25Speaker 05

  But you need one ounce of help and nobody's there.

• 1:33:29Speaker 04

  Insane, insanity. Um, so, back to this. According to Matthew Rosengart, Britney's lawyer, a quote, "It appears that Mr. Spears believes he can try to avoid accountability and justice, including sitting for a sworn deposition and answering the discovery under oath," which is why he was like, "Bye, y'all. Like, I got all I can get." "As of September 29th, 2021, Jamie Spears is no longer Britney's conservator. Instead, a public accountant named John Zabel was appointed Britney's temporary conservator at the request of her lawyer. It's possible that the conservatorship could be terminated entirely at the November 2021 court hearing." So, Babs, what was it like inside the court?

• 1:34:08Speaker 04

  It was wild. I mean, basically, it was unlike any other hearing I've been to because we were pretty sure that there was going to be a good outcome, which that is either going to be that the whole thing was going to end, or that Jamie was going to be suspended. So, it was unlike any other one we've gone to where you're just like, "Oh, God, I'm so scared." I mean, I was still like, had butterflies, but it was basically Jamie's lawyer arguing, "Let's just end it. Why don't we just end it?" Which you know means that they shouldn't because they're trying to hide some fucked up shit. Which is basically what her lawyer said. Rosengart was like, "Well, what do you have to hide? Why don't we suspend him today? Then that means we'll get access to all of his documents, all of his communications with his, the lawyers, and then that way they can actually really go after Jamie in a solid way."

• 1:34:50Speaker 04

  So, that was the argument, back and forth, back and forth, and then, you know, the judge said, "Well, let's suspend, let's suspend Jamie, let's get this other guy in here," and it was just like, I was so shocked and just... And then Rosengart said, "And we're putting on the table a hearing to terminate the conservatorship before her birthday. She turns 40 in December." So, November 12.

• 1:35:13Speaker 05

  For her birthday.

• 1:35:14Speaker 04

  November 12. Like, I, I mean, he said that shit and I was like, he's not saying that unless he fucking thinks it's gonna happen, because he knows the Britney Army will have his head if that shit doesn't go down. So, I think we're looking at, I think, it being terminated very soon.

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• 1:37:30Laci Mosley?

  Because y'all were the ones who got me on the Free Britney movement, because I didn't know how bad it was until I started listening to your podcast. And I was like, "What the hell? Like, how did y'all take this beautiful bad bitch with all these talents and, and manage to extort and rob and scheme?" And that's why Jamie's like, "Okay, oh, oh, we ending it? Okay, bye, bye." Like, he's a one.

• 1:37:51Speaker 04

  Trying to slink away.

• 1:37:53Laci Mosley?

  Get the shredder!

• 1:37:56Speaker 05

  It's literally like he's in the middle of the bank robbery and he's like, "JK, lol, I have a dentist appointment." No, you already came in here with your gun.

• 1:38:03Laci Mosley?

  You can't get out of that. He's got the gun, the ski mask, and he was like, "Oh, oh, is police in here?" You know what? I just love to carry a gun and a ski mask. I'm actually getting my getaway, excuse me, car. I'mma get in my car and, uh, I'mma just go, let's just act like this didn't happen. Like, what?

• 1:38:19Speaker 04

  Yes, 1,000%. It was so obvious. So, yeah, that's what happened. They appointed this new guy and, you know, knock on wood, but...

• 1:38:29Laci Mosley?

  And before we move out of this segment, do you guys have any final thoughts, like, anything that wasn't covered in this? Like, what, like, any final thoughts about this Britney situation? And I'll go first. I'll give you guys time to think. I, I guess my biggest thing is,

• 1:38:45Laci Mosley?

  why did so many people fail her? Who, a- and, and her, the lawyer, Jamie's lawyers, her appointed lawyer, like, they're all gonna be fucked. Like, we know that. But like, these judges who gave these rulings, who allowed all this shady-ass shit to happen, like, I want names. Like, we, we need to harass you for the rest of your fucking life. Like, I want to release snakes at your house every day. Like, what?

• 1:39:13Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's despicable. I mean, I think that that was just, people were not looking at Britney as a person. The judges weren't. Nobody was. Nobody was.

• 1:39:23Laci Mosley?

  She was a money-making machine and that is it.

• 1:39:27Speaker 04

  Well, and like we said, you know, the first, the first hearing when she got into the conservatorship was like 10 minutes long. And we've sat in on days and days watching judges look through conservatorship check. That's how fast these things are.

• 1:39:40Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:39:41Speaker 04

  Like, that's how, it's, they have no time. There's 60 cases on their docket a day. They, you know, so, there's obviously blame on the judges, and I think especially Britney's judges, but the whole system's just incredibly fucked up and the people, the victims, don't have much of a chance, you know, if they don't have somebody strongly advocating for them, so...

• 1:40:01Laci Mosley?

  10 minutes to take someone's entire freedom away. Bitch, it'd take longer to get a burrito bowl at Chipotle.

• 1:40:08Speaker 05

  Exactly. Exactly. If you try to go to In-N-Out, you can get three people conserved, you know?

• 1:40:17Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:40:18Speaker 05

  I, yeah, I think that's...

• 1:40:19Laci Mosley?

  Drive-through conservatorship? They're like, "No, don't even get out the car. The judge gonna come to the window. Uh, he got the gavel, no worries." Like, what?

• 1:40:27Speaker 05

  With your debit, it's all good. Yeah.

• 1:40:28Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:40:29Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, no, yeah. We'll put her in this van afterwards. We'll just throw her in this van. Like, what the hell? It's embarrassing. Um, but as always, Free Britney, and I really hope that this works out, because I love Britney Spears. And also, Britney, girl, get some revenge.

• 1:40:48Speaker 05

  Please. I think she's going to. I think she's going to.

• 1:40:52Laci Mosley?

  For me, sis.

• 1:40:53Speaker 04

  Oh, I think she's pissed. I think she's ready.

• 1:40:55Speaker 05

  Yeah, she's coming. She's coming.

• 1:40:57Laci Mosley?

  First of all, divorce your family. Don't ever see them motherfuckers again. They all trash.

• 1:41:02Speaker 04

  She said, "I want to sue my entire family and..." She said, "I want to sue my whole family."

• 1:41:09Laci Mosley?

  As she should. Like, I want, I want the family to have a reunion and I want somebody to show up in an ice cream uniform and then just hand out papers. Just, "You're served, you're served, you're served." Like, a- a- you know, "Here's a fudge pop, you bitch." Like...

• 1:41:26Speaker 05

  Can you imagine how much fun? She should recruit, like, the top members of Britney Army to serve them.

• 1:41:31Speaker 04

  They would love it.

• 1:41:32Speaker 05

  That should be like their prize for all their service. It's just...

• 1:41:35Speaker 04

  Oh, my God.

• 1:41:36Laci Mosley?

  Britney, I will get some wigs and some costumes and I will serve whoever you want. I want to be a part of this. I'll be a meter maid just standing at the... They're like, "Why am I getting a ticket? My meter's still full." You're getting served, bitch.

• 1:41:51Laci Mosley?

  Like, I want to have so much fun with this because they all are just despicable human beings, like, bad people motivated by greed and jealousy. Gross. So, guys, we're gonna take a quick break and we'll be back for the saddest part of the show, the end, where I have to let Tess and Babs go.

• 1:42:09Speaker 07

  Robbery and fraud.

• 1:42:14Laci Mosley?

  And we're back. Wow, this episode's a long one. I hope you guys, like a feature-length film right here. Hope you guys are enjoying it. So scammer of the week, this is where we highlight a charlatan that's worthy of our praise, or maybe not, like bitch-ass Jamie Spears. Both Jamies. I'm talking about Lynn, too.

• 1:42:31Speaker 05

  There's a lot of Jamies in this.

• 1:42:34Laci Mosley?

  Right. How you gonna name your daughter after yourself? You gross boy. What are you doing?

• 1:42:38Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:42:39Laci Mosley?

  Boring, stupid. So, one Danish museum, and y'all tagged me in this shit on Twitter, on Instagram, like, I feel like somebody mailed me a letter. I got y'all. So, one Danish museum has been duped by the concept artist who's taking what was supposed to be the art as his payment. So, the Kunsen Museum in Alborg, Denmark commissioned Jens Haining to remake versions of his two earlier works. The originals were made of cash on display in Danish kronen and euro banknotes. So, we have a picture of it. So, it's basically just a frame and then some very equally placed out monies. And then, for some reason,

• 1:43:21Laci Mosley?

  the last line is not finished. I guess that's the art of it all?

• 1:43:26Speaker 05

  Yeah. Some art shit. I don't know.

• 1:43:31Laci Mosley?

  Right. Like, we've talked about how art is, like, heavily used in money laundering and all types of weird shit, you know?

• 1:43:37Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah. Art is scam.

• 1:43:39Laci Mosley?

  Art's a scam. But I love artists. Like, I love y'all. Like, keep doing y'all's art. But I hope y'all out there scamming, too. Like, get in on that. So, the originals were made of cash and on display, right? They were meant to represent the average annual income of Danish and Austrian citizens with a combined value of around $84,000. The museum gave Haining $84,000 in banknotes to recreate the pieces, solely to be used as materials and not payment. Haining instead sent the museum two empty frames, stating in an email that he instead decided to make new artwork.

• 1:44:14Speaker 05

  Love it.

• 1:44:16Laci Mosley?

  The email, along with many empty frames, are now on display. Take the money and run. Haining has no intention of returning the money and says it's a protest against low pay. Reportedly, the fee he was to have been paid would still have left him out of pocket. Wow. Haining hasn't technically broken the contract, but will have to return the money by January 2022. Oh, no. First of all, people are looking at this painting. We're literally looking at people looking at a blank canvas.

• 1:44:47Speaker 05

  Yes. Yes. And this is much more compelling than just the canvas with the bills in it.

• 1:44:52Laci Mosley?

  Right. And all a museum does is steal shit from, from black and brown people and put it in nice little cases with good lighting. Be like, look at all this shit we stole. Like, now you're getting more people to traffic your museum to look at a blank canvas that made world news.

• 1:45:08Speaker 05

  I think he should win the money back. Yeah. I think this guy's brilliant. I think he should be celebrated. I look forward to the rest of his work. I mean, he made a piece. It's the artist's decision what the ultimate piece ends up being.

• 1:45:20Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. You can't be like, oh, I asked for this artwork from this artist and then they gave me something different. Like, it's art, right? And honestly, y'all over here branding it, talking about take the money and run so people will come look at a blank-ass canvas. Y'all getting museum fees, you know? What's the problem? Also, he wasn't gonna make that much money.

• 1:45:39Speaker 05

  And it was, what, $80,000?

• 1:45:41Laci Mosley?

  And he said he was gonna come out of pocket if he had made the art like they wanted. He wouldn't have even made what he was supposed to make.

• 1:45:48Speaker 05

  No, the real scam, this is of the story of a failed scam, of the museum trying to scam the artist and the artist flipping the scam around, becoming the scammer, and becoming a better artist for it.

• 1:46:01Laci Mosley?

  I love it. Fantastic move. Fantastic. I'm glad we had a bright spot at the end of the show because, I just want to know, I wish I had all the names right now so I could read them out. Because I just want, like, the worst stand group to harass them, like the Barb's. The Barb's are a very aggressive stand group. They're really awful. So, I want the Barb's to get a hold of this. To ruin these men's lives. But, guys, that brings us to the end of our show. We always ask on the show, where do you want to be found? So Tess, we'll start with you. Where do you want to be found and anything you want to promote?

• 1:46:34Speaker 05

  Yeah. You can find me on my socials. It's Tessify with two S's. Tessify Barker on everything. And please listen to my podcasts, Lady to Lady and Toxic, The Britney Spears Story, which is me and Babs' like, deep, like, serious investigative kind of 10-part

• 1:46:49Laci Mosley?

  It's like a 10-part. We go in. If you want to know anything about the story, we tell it there. All the juicy details and all the crazy details as well. And Babs, where would you like to be found?

• 1:47:03Speaker 05

  Um, yeah. BabsGray on Twitter, BabsGray on Instagram. And we both host a few comedy shows in LA. Lady to Lady has a show for Sunday of every month, so come check those out sometime. And, yeah.

• 1:47:15Laci Mosley?

  Yes. Y'all are very funny. I had so much fun doing your podcast. Lady to Lady's really fun. Y'all should listen. Listen to both these podcasts. They're great. And always, guys, if you want to snitch on your friends and family, just make sure your bag is retired. [email protected]. If you want to see pictures of me with a snake and all other types of things, scamgodispod on all platforms. And if you want to follow me, D I V A L A C I, Diva Lacy on all platforms, Lacy Mosley on TikTok. And, guys, you can stream all episodes of iCarly on Paramount Plus. You can stream all episodes of A Black Lady's Sketch Show on HBO Max. Uh, congregation, stay scheming.

• 1:47:55Laci Mosley?

  This has been an Earwolf production in association with Team Coco. Scam Goddess stars and is hosted by me, Lacy Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. It's produced by Judith Cargbo, engineered by Marina Paez, and researched by Kalen Brandt. Stay scheming.

• 1:48:12Speaker 07

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